View Full Version : TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #5
imamaze
04-17-2011, 09:17 PM
Guys, I don't know how to make it any clearer, you are not to talk about the brother as a suspect. We are a victim friendly site, the family are victims and will not be discussed in this manner.
I'm going to start taking names and will be giving time outs if it continues.
Unless they are named suspects or a POI its off limits.
Ima
thejoker101
04-17-2011, 09:17 PM
Abduction of nursing student sparks major hunt, as star cousin appeals for information
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/abduction-of-nursing-student-sparks-major-hunt-as-star-cousin-appeals-for-information/story-e6frf7jx-1226040833031
cluciano63
04-17-2011, 09:20 PM
I'm guessing the reason they say she was led away under duress was the finding of the blood?
norest4thewicked
04-17-2011, 09:21 PM
Yeah, but it was found 6 miles away.
It was found 8 miles away, and a dog isn't going to carry a lunch bag 8 miles from the scene of an abduction.
nursebeeme
04-17-2011, 09:21 PM
http://twitter.com/willnunley
will seems to be in the middle of the prayer vigil
I just wanted to take a second to honor him and the 2000 people that came out today to look for Holly as well as add my prayers to the bunch. Her being found is all that matters right now...
Coldpizza
04-17-2011, 09:21 PM
EMA: anyone who can, we will resume our search tomorrow. 7AM at the fairgrounds.
http://twitter.com/willnunley
most likely no buses because of a school day????
I always worry after so many days passing and a weekend of extreme searches that LE tends to scale back. I hope that the community doesn't allow this and continues to pressure LE and look for Holly full scale until she is found.
peeples
04-17-2011, 09:23 PM
Someone asked on the facebook page how long everyone was gonna search and the response was as long as they have too
http://www.facebook.com/BHBHS
Wonderful response.. but heartbreaking at the same time :(
Nancee Drue
04-17-2011, 09:24 PM
I hope Holly comes home, soon.
Coldpizza
04-17-2011, 09:25 PM
Well goodnight everyone, Holly I believe your alive, stay strong
peeples
04-17-2011, 09:26 PM
Why didn't the brother chase his sister and the unknown man?? He could have at least yelled at them.
We don't know that he didn't because the information given by the media changes from day to day.
iluvmua
04-17-2011, 09:27 PM
I hope Holly comes home, soon.
If he had a weapon, he could have threatened the brother and/or Holly.
panthera
04-17-2011, 09:30 PM
http://twitter.com/willnunley
will seems to be in the middle of the prayer vigil
I just wanted to take a second to honor him and the 2000 people that came out today to look for Holly as well as add my prayers to the bunch. Her being found is all that matters right now...
I'm curious if LE is there observing anyone with unusual behavior. MOO
Burnin Daylight
04-17-2011, 09:32 PM
I think LE is just putting all possibilities of various behaviors out there...maybe taking the part about tire changes, if they said that, from the recent Ohio case where the family killed the young mother. I honestly don't think they have one clear suspect, or if they do, they have no idea what he may have done with her. They would not have 1100+ people scouring the woods if they think she was taken away in a car. I think they are searching in the only places they have found any clues and hoping for the best.
I agree they are searching where clues are...but...they have now come full circle..back to the pond with divers???.. OK..LE states it's someone local!!...Could it be LE is almost finished with the puzzle...today LE had people head to Trace Park...maybe LE was letting the POI think they had led them on a goose hunt...while LE gathered evidence ...monitored. the POI's movements ..hoping this POI may lead LE to her...LE sounds close to breaking this case wide open. I pray for the best!
nursebeeme
04-17-2011, 09:32 PM
Official: volunteers will likely need to drive personal vehicles to search command posts.
http://twitter.com/willnunley
nursebeeme
04-17-2011, 09:36 PM
I'm curious if LE is there observing anyone with unusual behavior. MOO
I would think they are.. as this aint their first rodeo.. but I agree... this person could be injecting himself there..
in a small community that emptied out CHURCHES today for the search.. a search that had 2000 people... wow.. if this guy is local and he didn't come out he is a recluse or told someone he was on vacation and wasn't (le said today to pay attention to peeps that told others they were off for three days before the weekend))
wish I could find a video that that presser!!!!!! ((still working on it but none of the newstations are like ones I have dealt with/linked to in the past.. ))
norest4thewicked
04-17-2011, 09:40 PM
I hope that tomorrow is the day that they bring Holly home. I just feel so horrible for that family! :(
Carla Lashelle
04-17-2011, 09:40 PM
Ok nitey nite... take care everyone!
Gardenlady
04-17-2011, 09:41 PM
"Faux" = not the genuine article, and thus is suitable as a reference to "Fox News" (which itself is an oxymoron).
:clap:
panthera
04-17-2011, 09:46 PM
I would think they are.. as this aint their first rodeo.. but I agree... this person could be injecting himself there..
in a small community that emptied out CHURCHES today for the search.. a search that had 2000 people... wow.. if this guy is local and he didn't come out he is a recluse or told someone he was on vacation and wasn't (le said today to pay attention to peeps that told others they were off for three days before the weekend))
wish I could find a video that that presser!!!!!! ((still working on it but none of the newstations are like ones I have dealt with/linked to in the past.. ))
I just pray LE gets the solid lead they need to identify the perp, as well as find Holly. :prayer:
:seeya:
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 09:52 PM
Made it back to Memphis from Jackson, on I40, when my heart wanted to head the other way:(
All I did was think about this whole situation on the way home.
The sun was going down on another day with Holly missing and it broke my heart.
I believe that the press release by the TBI saying to look for anyone who is washing their vehicle or is missing from work/appointments is general profiling in almost all missing/abduction cases.
I still believe that a fully equipped ATV was used in this case.
I'm not quite sure that this was just a focus on Holly anymore.
I think it was a focus on a young woman that "looks" like Holly.
A young petite blond woman.
That's just my thoughts.
Possibly someone else didn't realize that they were almost his victim until after Holly was taken.
Like I said before, hindsight is 20/20.
Sometimes we don't realize how close we came to being a victim until we look back on where we were or what we were doing.
Like being having been in a bank the day before it was robbed.
Thinking.......
and praying.
JMO
VicVixvi
04-17-2011, 09:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/17/tennessee.missing.woman/
As normal, this is all conjecture on my part...
That's one (more) thing I don't understand that's coming out of LE mouths. In the article, it says:
"It's possible the suspect missed work or appointments last Wednesday, Thursday or Friday unexpectedly," the bureau of investigation said in a statement. "He may also have excessively cleaned a car or ATV, suddenly sold a vehicle, or reported it stolen. The suspect may be showing signs of anxiety or stress."
Addressing the "missed work" aspect, it is turkey season. In that area, many many males are going to be off of work & up and out the door before light ... to go turkey hunting. That would not be suspicious.
Is LE not considering that aspect? Turkey hunting unlike deer hunting is not a 'group activity' as the norm. If this is preplanned as I suspect has the perfect alibi which would be darn hard to disprove.
nursebeeme
04-17-2011, 09:57 PM
Tonight's service was led in part by the Pastor of Bible Hill Baptist. The first volunteer command center. The Pastor has not left since.
http://twitter.com/willnunley
hinman
04-17-2011, 09:59 PM
How long has turkey season been going on? Wonder if a turkey hunter could of seen her leaving for school one morning while out in the woods. Then decided to come back the next morning,
STEADFAST
04-17-2011, 09:59 PM
As normal, this is all conjecture on my part...
That's one (more) thing I don't understand that's coming out of LE mouths. In the article, it says:
"It's possible the suspect missed work or appointments last Wednesday, Thursday or Friday unexpectedly," the bureau of investigation said in a statement. "He may also have excessively cleaned a car or ATV, suddenly sold a vehicle, or reported it stolen. The suspect may be showing signs of anxiety or stress."
Addressing the "missed work" aspect, it is turkey season. In that area, many many males are going to be off of work & up and out the door before light ... to go turkey hunting. That would not be suspicious.
Is LE not considering that aspect? Turkey hunting unlike deer hunting is not a 'group activity' as the norm. If this is preplanned as I suspect has the perfect alibi which would be darn hard to disprove.
I don't think an alibi like "I was out turkey hunting alone," would stand up against the other evidence LE would have if this was brought to trial. I think a jury would only put weight into an alibi that could be verified in some way. (Of course, we're way ahead of ourselves here!)
Lerpiniere
04-17-2011, 10:05 PM
Or could have been trying to work for the same tree trimming company Holly's dad works for, but couldn't get on right now for one reason or another, like there not being enough work right now to justify hiring another person.
Yes, just a thought/an opinion
...Or an employee who was fired.
nursebeeme
04-17-2011, 10:06 PM
I don't think an alibi like "I was out turkey hunting alone," would stand up against the other evidence LE would have if this was brought to trial. I think a jury would only put weight into an alibi that could be verified in some way. (Of course, we're way ahead of ourselves here!)
after hearing the presser today I agree with you.. they are looking for a combination of factors and with hope they are getting a lot of tips in right now on the following:
1-someone dressed in camo on wednesday
2-someone with atv in the area acting strange around that day
3-someone who had the day off or multiple days off or didn't show up for works or appointments
4-someone who seems anxious, etc
5-someone who was obsessively washing a car or atv or tried to sell them in in past few days
I would personally add to that someone who has unexplained cuts or bruises
imamaze
04-17-2011, 10:08 PM
I know some questions get repeated and I don't honestly think it is done on purpose. The posts go very fast and sometimes we forgot that the question was already asked. I hope everyone is here to somehow help find Holley. But sometimes emotions run high and we are going back and forth from other threads (and taking care of things in our personal life).
If I have offended anyone here, please accept my heartfelt apologies.
Without newbies, WS would not grow.
JMO :twocents:
Hi scorekeeper,
I think norest4thewicked was speaking about the brother and bf not being discussed as suspects or POI's which is what I was addressing and warning about.
You haven't offened anyone, we're glad to have you with us, if anyone has questions just drop me a pm, I'm happy to help.
Ima
shefner
04-17-2011, 10:11 PM
Hi scorekeeper,
I think norest4thewicked was speaking about the brother and bf not being discussed as suspects or POI's which is what I was addressing and warning about.
You haven't offened anyone, we're glad to have you with us, if anyone has questions just drop me a pm, I'm happy to help.
Ima
I think I did this and should know better. Its so hard to keep myself in check sometimes...Sorry. Thank goodness for mods. They keep us straight.
STEADFAST
04-17-2011, 10:11 PM
I know some questions get repeated and I don't honestly think it is done on purpose. The posts go very fast and sometimes we forgot that the question was already asked. I hope everyone is here to somehow help find Holley. But sometimes emotions run high and we are going back and forth from other threads (and taking care of things in our personal life).
If I have offended anyone here, please accept my heartfelt apologies.
Without newbies, WS would not grow.
JMO :twocents:
We love newbies! Everybody has the right to add their own personal take on any aspect of a case that is allowed to be discussed and I don't believe there are any rules or even usual practices that confine discussion of any subject to a certain time frame or section of a general discussion thread. Post away! (Just be sure to check that you aren't posting anything violating the rules here. What's allowed here is adjusted to conform with the circumstances of each case.)
It used to be that getting in right at the beginning of a case was a huge advantage -- you could see how stories told by those involved have changed or how their actions might or might not be hinky. Nowadays, just about everything you hear at the beginning of a case turns out to have been reported incorrectly. There's almost no hope of ever figuring out what really did happen in the first few hours or days and what just got made up and passed along. :banghead:
nursebeeme
04-17-2011, 10:14 PM
official tbi press release from today
here it is from the mouth of the horse
http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/documents/LawEnforcementAsksforPublicsHelpinSearchforSuspect .pdf
take notice of anyone who’s whereabouts were unaccounted for Wednesday morning when Holly went missing and changes in behavior since the incident. Holly disappeared from her home located on Swan Johnson Road between 7:40am and 8:00am on April 13th, 2011.
It’s possible the suspect missed work or appointments last Wednesday, Thursday or Friday unexpectedly. He may also have excessively cleaned a car or ATV, suddenly sold a vehicle or reported it stolen. The suspect may be showing signs of anxiety or stress in the last few days.
more at the pdf link
STEADFAST
04-17-2011, 10:14 PM
after hearing the presser today I agree with you.. they are looking for a combination of factors and with hope they are getting a lot of tips in right now on the following:
1-someone dressed in camo on wednesday
2-someone with atv in the area acting strange around that day
3-someone who had the day off or multiple days off or didn't show up for works or appointments
4-someone who seems anxious, etc
5-someone who was obsessively washing a car or atv or tried to sell them in in past few days
I would personally add to that someone who has unexplained cuts or bruises
Also, someone saying he was out hunting that day might work to his disadvantage, considering that the kidnapper was reported to be wearing camouflage.
Nehemiah
04-17-2011, 10:17 PM
How long has turkey season been going on? Wonder if a turkey hunter could of seen her leaving for school one morning while out in the woods. Then decided to come back the next morning,
Turkey season started on April 2.
iluvmua
04-17-2011, 10:19 PM
official tbi press release from today
here it is from the mouth of the horse
http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/documents/LawEnforcementAsksforPublicsHelpinSearchforSuspect .pdf
take notice of anyone who’s whereabouts were unaccounted for Wednesday morning when Holly went missing and changes in behavior since the incident. Holly disappeared from her home located on Swan Johnson Road between 7:40am and 8:00am on April 13th, 2011.
It’s possible the suspect missed work or appointments last Wednesday, Thursday or Friday unexpectedly. He may also have excessively cleaned a car or ATV, suddenly sold a vehicle or reported it stolen. The suspect may be showing signs of anxiety or stress in the last few days.
more at the pdf link
Or recently had a new paint job on his vehicle
nursebeeme
04-17-2011, 10:20 PM
oh.. forgot the most important part from the fbi release:
LAW ENFORCEMENT ASKS FOR PUBLIC’S HELP IN SEARCH FOR SUSPECT
(from same link I posted up stream)
scorekeeper
04-17-2011, 10:20 PM
No hard feelings to anyone. I justed wanted to stress that sometimes we get "caught up" in the moment and sometimes forget what we had read before!! Been here since the start of Holly's abduction. Thank you to everyone; you are all great sleuthers!!
jmo
concentric
04-17-2011, 10:20 PM
I agree they are searching where clues are...but...they have now come full circle..back to the pond with divers???.. OK..LE states it's someone local!!...Could it be LE is almost finished with the puzzle...today LE had people head to Trace Park...maybe LE was letting the POI think they had led them on a goose hunt...while LE gathered evidence ...monitored. the POI's movements ..hoping this POI may lead LE to her...LE sounds close to breaking this case wide open. I pray for the best!
Or could simply be parallel investigations, of which, I'm sure many are required.
shefner
04-17-2011, 10:20 PM
Lots of people hunting Turkey here in NC. Some alone...or in groups of two. One of my newlywed friends went with her hubby, who is a longtime hunter. He begged and she gave in. She got a turkey and he didn't! I was very proud of her. I think I am getting OT...but it is something lots of folks are doing right now.
So someone who claimed to miss work for turkey hunting might not stand out so much...especially someone who loved to hunt in the past.
peeples
04-17-2011, 10:20 PM
was her family at the vigil this evening???
In all the recent missing persons cases i can think of family attended the vigils
Hailey Dunn the little 18 month old who disappeared etc...
ETA: Joshua is the little boy i was thinking of....
I don't think an alibi like "I was out turkey hunting alone," would stand up against the other evidence LE would have if this was brought to trial. I think a jury would only put weight into an alibi that could be verified in some way. (Of course, we're way ahead of ourselves here!)
I think an alibi like, "I had the flu so bad I could hardly get out of bed from Thursday/Friday till now, and that's why I still look kind of green". Might fly though.
concentric
04-17-2011, 10:23 PM
[QUOTE=nursebeeme;6351953]official tbi press release from today
here it is from the mouth of the horse
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Is that like: Mr. Ed?
LOL, you are very witty. Thanks for that, we need a break in the tension.
nursebeeme
04-17-2011, 10:24 PM
goodnight everyone... God speed to the searchers who are still out..
I pray that right now that tip line is ringing off its' hinges..
concentric
04-17-2011, 10:26 PM
I think an alibi like, "I had the flu so bad I could hardly get out of bed from Thursday/Friday till now, and that's why I still look kind of green". Might fly though.
Yeah, might fly through like a great big turkey
Gnite NurseBeeMe....always a pleasure to work on this cases with you....many blessings and sweet dreams....
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 10:27 PM
In all honesty, I believe TBI is just following normal profiling.
All of the things they said to look for are all of the things any LE look for in an investigation like this.
I believe they have no idea who the perp is.
And I still believe that although the person is a local, thus knowing the area and the terrain, that he doesn't have a regular job or place to be on a daily basis.
I'm still stuck on him being an off-the-grid person.
Geraldo is about to cover this case from on the ground with his brother when he returns from break.
All JMO and I can be a little stubborn.
Yeah, might fly through like a great big turkey
lol..and get shot right out of the air too...lol :floorlaugh:
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 10:30 PM
And since I don't have to report in until 1pm tomorrow and I got a big nap after lunch with the family today, I will be here for a while.
Geraldo about to return from commercials.
Craig is on the ground at the search sight.
Let's see how Fox handles this one......
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 10:31 PM
lol..and get shot right out of the air too...lol :floorlaugh:
My brother just came back from turkey hunting in that area and he says he hopes no one gets shot accidentally by a hunter!
Geraldo back on:banghead:
Geraldo saying this presser indicates LE have hit a deadend....I don't think they have any idea who the perp is!
Expanding the search to 4 surrounding counties.
VicVixvi
04-17-2011, 10:32 PM
I don't think an alibi like "I was out turkey hunting alone," would stand up against the other evidence LE would have if this was brought to trial. I think a jury would only put weight into an alibi that could be verified in some way. (Of course, we're way ahead of ourselves here!)
Oh, absolutely. When/if the perp goes to trial, I'm sure LE will have enough evidence to convict. BUT, as a cover the alibi of turkey hunting would fit perfectly.
peeples
04-17-2011, 10:33 PM
Knowing there are soo many searchers in the woods why would anyone opt to go hunting right now in that area...
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 10:37 PM
Many of the searchers are young women.
They think an ATV might have been hidden in the woods around her house and used as a getaway.
And ATV may be hidden in a secured storage area now.
Seems they have specific info for their search areas today.
As per Craig on Geraldo.
Saying that bro and bf are not in the clear, not suspects, just keeping options open.
Holly lives a mile away from any place?
Don't think so.
She has neighbors.
JMO
Lerpiniere
04-17-2011, 10:38 PM
I don't think a dog would drag a Lunch Purse eight miles away.
I don't think she dropped it, I think the perp threw it out on purpose to either get rid of evidence that Holly was in his vehicle or he threw it out to throw off LE.
...Perhaps, but even if he didn't, we know he led the victim away through the woods. This is someone familiar with those woods, around the victim's property. Someone poised in those woods early in the morning. A hunter who stalked his prey. Someone who evidently waited for the father to leave, but who pounced on the victim with the brother (and mother?) still at home and both quite capable of dialing 911. He had every risk of being observed immediately and incurring an immediate call to the police. He couldn't know the brother would wait an hour or whatever the case may be. He had to be confident he could escape the potentially imminent arrival of the police within what? Five or ten minutes or whatever the probable immediate response time would be. Looking at Hollye's map, I don't see any other service roads behind or adjacent to the Bobo's house. If he had a getaway car, he would had to have parked it further along on Swan Johnson toward 5 Forks Rd where there is nothing but trees and no witnesses. Whether his intent was to do harm to her following the abduction, or to kidnap her to some destination, one would think he would have had to have confidence in a relatively short traverse to his home if he didn't have a waiting vehicle. Presumably he is young enough of build and appearance to be initially mistaken by Holly's brother as a boyfriend. Imo.
VicVixvi
04-17-2011, 10:38 PM
I have no way of verifying if this is real or not but here is a video made by a young man who claims to have been on the search, describing the conditions. He is extremely careful to not give any details of what they found.
Personally, I find him believable but take it for what it's worth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ao-ZGRhBOw
Laddsy
04-17-2011, 10:44 PM
I cant watch the video here at work. Does he mention anything we dont already know?
concentric
04-17-2011, 10:45 PM
Many of the searchers are young women.
They think an ATV might have been hidden in the woods around her house and used as a getaway.
And ATV may be hidden in a secured storage area now.
JMO
Then why are they looking at the ATV trails in Nachez? I considered he hid it at his house, then took the car, but...then reconsidered and thought he had a trailer behind the car or put it into the bed of his truck, drove to the trails in Naches and went into the wilderness on the ATV.
OK, now I'm officially confused.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 10:48 PM
...Perhaps, but even if he didn't, we know he led the victim away through the woods. This is someone familiar with those woods, around the victim's property. Someone poised in those woods early in the morning. A hunter who stalked his prey. Someone who evidently waited for the father to leave, but who pounced on the victim with the brother (and mother?) still at home and both quite capable of dialing 911. He had every risk of being observed immediately and incurring an immediate call to the police. He couldn't know the brother would wait an hour or whatever the case may be. He had to be confident he could escape the potentially imminent arrival of the police within what? Five or ten minutes or whatever the probable immediate response time would be. Looking at Hollye's map, I don't see any other service roads behind or adjacent to the Bobo's house. If he had a getaway car, he would had to have parked it further along on Swan Johnson where there is nothing but trees and no witnesses. Whether his intent was to do harm to her following the abduction, or to kidnap her to some destination, one would think he would have had to have confidence in a relatively short traverse to his home if he didn't have a waiting vehicle. Presumably he is young enough of build and appearance to be initially mistaken by Holly's brother as a boyfriend. Imo.
A motivated determined preplanning perp acts with a whole lot of adrenaline!
We don't know, but I usually have the tv or radio on when I'm at home.
Holly's parents were gone.
Maybe the brother just saw what he thought was her boyfriend and didn't hear anything because he was listening to music/tv.
This perp knew what he was doing.
I don't think he is very young at all.
Just doesn't fit with his determination and skill level.
If it were a "heat of the moment" thing, I think he would have been caught by now.
JMO
belimom
04-17-2011, 10:51 PM
I cant watch the video here at work. Does he mention anything we dont already know?
I didn't listen to all of it, but no, not really. Except that he was told not to talk to the media... So he does a spot on youtube? :waitasec:
T4Tide
04-17-2011, 10:53 PM
Well, it wasn't him. lol
Capri
04-17-2011, 10:59 PM
FBI posting:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap
peeples
04-17-2011, 11:01 PM
***TEAM HOLLY UPDATE***
The Brantley Charter Bus Company of Lexington, donating buses to transport volunteers. Another.need.met. (Another prayer answered!)
http://www.facebook.com/BHBHS
DNeecie
04-17-2011, 11:02 PM
I believe they have no idea who the perp is.
Hi everyone! I'm a newbie here. Been following along here since Friday. You guys do a great job btw.
SNOWINMEMPHIS I totally agree. I think they have no idea who took her. I know there was a rumor of a Hamilton county tag in the area at the time of the abduction. I'm next to that county and I keep thinking what if he happened to leave the county with her. I have barely heard anything here about her abduction.
I'm also thinking the search of the lake is a "just in case" thing. Don't know why they waited so long to search a body of water so close to the abduction site though.
JustyThoughts
04-17-2011, 11:03 PM
On the youtube, I thought 2 comments seemed significant. @about 6:05 and again @ about 7:45.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 11:03 PM
The young man on youtube seems genuine to me.
I know he said he lives in Adamsville and I am very familiar with people there also.
He said that "keep doing what you are doing Holly".
That's all that keeps the searchers going.
I believe she is still alive and being kept and has left clues behind.
LE is going back into the search areas at night.
He is right about that.
I think they are using nite vision but I also think the perp has them also.
IMO, the abductor is in this for the longhaul and he is dug in deep and they have no idea who he is, or where he is, except that he is a survivalist that is going to be hard to find.
JMO
belimom
04-17-2011, 11:04 PM
Welcome, DNeecie! :seeya:
Wow, can't believe you haven't heard much over there in a nearby county... that's a shame.
belimom
04-17-2011, 11:04 PM
On the youtube, I thought 2 comments seemed significant. @about 6:05 and again @ about 7:45.
I didn't last that long - let me go back and listen. BRB
imamaze
04-17-2011, 11:05 PM
Hi everyone! I'm a newbie here. Been following along here since Friday. You guys do a great job btw.
SNOWINMEMPHIS I totally agree. I think they have no idea who took her. I know there was a rumor of a Hamilton county tag in the area at the time of the abduction. I'm next to that county and I keep thinking what if he happened to leave the county with her. I have barely heard anything here about her abduction.
I'm also thinking the search of the lake is a "just in case" thing. Don't know why they waited so long to search a body of water so close to the abduction site though.
Hi DNeecie :greetings:
:welcome:
Ima
Lerpiniere
04-17-2011, 11:06 PM
This perp knew what he was doing.
I don't think he is very young at all.
Just doesn't fit with his determination and skill level.
JMO
Ex-military? Recently returned?
cluciano63
04-17-2011, 11:07 PM
This whole town will be heartbroken if she is not found alive. As well as many others, of course.
DNeecie
04-17-2011, 11:07 PM
Welcome, DNeecie! :seeya:
Wow, can't believe you haven't heard much over there in a nearby county... that's a shame.
Thanks!
I know. It is a shame. There has just been some here and there. Nobody is even reposting the Missing info on FB.
Nana46
04-17-2011, 11:07 PM
That was an interesting video....very emotional young man as I am sure after searching one would be.
I am not sure what to make of it other than he said they were told not to speak to media so he did not feel that was who he was speaking to on his video.
I also just saw a brief clip on our channel 5 out of Memphis and definitely saw a dog being used or preparing to be used in the search!! Praise the Lord.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 11:08 PM
Hi everyone! I'm a newbie here. Been following along here since Friday. You guys do a great job btw.
SNOWINMEMPHIS I totally agree. I think they have no idea who took her. I know there was a rumor of a Hamilton county tag in the area at the time of the abduction. I'm next to that county and I keep thinking what if he happened to leave the county with her. I have barely heard anything here about her abduction.
I'm also thinking the search of the lake is a "just in case" thing. Don't know why they waited so long to search a body of water so close to the abduction site though.
:seeya:Hi there!
I think they are just checking the lake to show that they have done so. Possibly looking for her textbooks or some other discarded evidence?
JMO
iluvmua
04-17-2011, 11:09 PM
The young man on youtube seems genuine to me.
I know he said he lives in Adamsville and I am very familiar with people there also.
He said that "keep doing what you are doing Holly".
That's all that keeps the searchers going.
I believe she is still alive and being kept and has left clues behind.
LE is going back into the search areas at night.
He is right about that.
I think they are using nite vision but I also think the perp has them also.
IMO, the abductor is in this for the longhaul and he is dug in deep and they have no idea who he is, or where he is, except that he is a survivalist that is going to be hard to find.
JMO
At this point, I'm 50/85, I don't think she is leaving any clues behind, she could be but as more time goes by ........... :(
scorekeeper
04-17-2011, 11:09 PM
Dneecie,
Welcome aboard; hope you feel at home!!
:fireworks2: :welcome: :welcome4:
belimom
04-17-2011, 11:10 PM
I didn't last that long - let me go back and listen. BRB
Okay, I went back. Yes, I think LE knows who it is but they don't want the perp to know that. And evidently she is doing something (a trail) of some sort that perhaps the perp doesn't know about.
(Sorry if I sounded as if I was bashing the guy - I do think he's genuine)
iluvmua
04-17-2011, 11:10 PM
This whole town will be heartbroken if she is not found alive. As well as many others, of course.
I think anyone is heartbroken when anyone goes missing and they turn up deceased.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 11:10 PM
Hi everyone! I'm a newbie here. Been following along here since Friday. You guys do a great job btw.
SNOWINMEMPHIS I totally agree. I think they have no idea who took her. I know there was a rumor of a Hamilton county tag in the area at the time of the abduction. I'm next to that county and I keep thinking what if he happened to leave the county with her. I have barely heard anything here about her abduction.
I'm also thinking the search of the lake is a "just in case" thing. Don't know why they waited so long to search a body of water so close to the abduction site though.
:seeya:I think they are possibly looking for her very heavy textbooks. Or anything else discarded.
Also just to show they searched the water.
Stick around here. People are very smart and friendly!
JMO
peeples
04-17-2011, 11:11 PM
can yu say what he said Beli.. i can't watch vids right now :(
iluvmua
04-17-2011, 11:13 PM
I hope they find her either way and if she is deceased they get down to the bottom of who did this and the family gets the closure they need.
I can't even imagine what Easter is going to be like for this family if they don't find her alive.
iluvmua
04-17-2011, 11:15 PM
:offtobed:
DNeecie
04-17-2011, 11:15 PM
:seeya:I think they are possibly looking for her very heavy textbooks. Or anything else discarded.
Also just to show they searched the water.
Stick around here. People are very smart and friendly!
JMO
That make sense especially hearing they are finding other items. Maybe he discarded some of her stuff right after the abduction.
belimom
04-17-2011, 11:15 PM
can yu say what he said Beli.. i can't watch vids right now :(
He's implying that she is still alive. But won't say why...
ETA: Maybe I'm being paranoid but I don't want to say too much b/c what if what he says is true and the perp is reading/listening for anything and it puts Holly in more danger. I mean, I seriously doubt he's surfing the net if he is on the run from LE with a hostage in the woods, but he may be in contact with someone else? Anyway... JMHO... :o
T4Tide
04-17-2011, 11:16 PM
I hope they find her either way and if she is deceased they get down to the bottom of who did this and the family gets the closure they need.
I can't even imagine what Easter is going to be like for this family if they don't find her alive.
Or even every day from here on out. I can't imagine life without my babies!
fedfan4life
04-17-2011, 11:18 PM
I watch the ID show 'Disappeared' and came over here recently to find any updates that have taken place since the episodes were filmed. The McStay case is the one that really piqued my interest, since it's such a mystery. There is just no logical answer.
Anyway, I have never followed one of these cases in real-time before, and I have to say that I am very disheartened by the thought that the authorities @ this point do not know who perpetrated this kidnapping (or @ least do not have a guess or two). Is it truly possible that this girl may never be found? Honestly, I am starting to take this personally and am getting mad as 'you-know-what'.
Why on earth does someone feel that they have the right to take someone against their will? Clearly, that type of person has no empathy because healthy-minded people would understand how terrifying it would be and, thus, would never do it to someone else.
Stating the obvious, I know...
JustyThoughts
04-17-2011, 11:20 PM
Nite yall. Eyeballs are tired from so much reading. The WS Team rocks!!
Prayers for Holly, family, LE and searchers. Rest well and strength for tomorrow.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 11:21 PM
Ex-military? Recently returned?
Very possible.
Kept the camo.
Or bought new camo.
Which is even better because until it is washed a few times, it will hide the body from nitevision.
Scary thought!
Also the men returning from our recent wars are very traumatized by what they have seen.
I would think all people in every war would be.
However, this is someone who knows what he is doing or they would have caught him by now.
He, IMO, is acting with extreme skill and forethought.
I think he attempted to do this with someone before, but for some reason didn't go through with it.
He isn't going to give her back peacefully.
This is all just my opinion and I was once married to an Army sniper who had every type of military apparatus besides a tank...lol.
Including five pairs of different nitevision devices, gps of all kinds, and used a laptop with proxies and an air card to get info.
He often was gone into the woods for a week or so at a time.
It isn't him in this case though. He lives nearby Holly but is accounted for.
It is someone much like him IMO.
But a little younger, say late 20's to mid-30's.
tiredblondy
04-17-2011, 11:21 PM
He's implying that she is still alive. But won't say why...
ETA: Maybe I'm being paranoid but I don't want to say too much b/c what if what he says is true and the perp is reading/listening for anything and it puts Holly in more danger. I mean, I seriously doubt he's surfing the net if he is on the run from LE with a hostage in the woods, but he may be in contact with someone else? Anyway... JMHO... :o
I agree Beli, I wonder if he will be allowed to search anymore. It's not right that he is giving any info.
liltexans
04-17-2011, 11:21 PM
I think the searcher in the video is being sincere. He seems very touched by this whole situation and his experience today in being part of the search.
I agree with belimom that we shouldn't post exactly what he said, but I did enjoy hearing him say that Holly sings at her church. I love hearing these kind of details about missing people. He also said her family are known in the area as wonderful people.
Nana46
04-17-2011, 11:28 PM
I watch the ID show 'Disappeared' and came over here recently to find any updates that have taken place since the episodes were filmed. The McStay case is the one that really piqued my interest, since it's such a mystery. There is just no logical answer.
Anyway, I have never followed one of these cases in real-time before, and I have to say that I am very disheartened by the thought that the authorities @ this point do not know who perpetrated this kidnapping (or @ least do not have a guess or two). Is it truly possible that this girl may never be found? Honestly, I am starting to take this personally and am getting mad as 'you-know-what'.
Why on earth does someone feel that they have the right to take someone against their will? Clearly, that type of person has no empathy because healthy-minded people would understand how terrifying it would be and, thus, would never do it to someone else.
Stating the obvious, I know...
WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!! tHRILLED TO HAVE YOU!!!!
Burnin Daylight
04-17-2011, 11:28 PM
The huge volunteer force that showed up today was a perfect opportunity to document locals.. film people at registration tables...and watch POI's...they could also collect DNA...ie..from discarded water bottles and soda cans...not to mention fingerprints...with a such a small community today could have been an excellent opportunity to gather evidence secretly. Just what I would do...
cluciano63
04-17-2011, 11:28 PM
I will be shocked if she has been able to leave a trail...especially items of size, such as books and bags. I think he secured/restrained her as soon as they were out of sight of the house, possibly taped her mouth, and she would not have been able to hang onto all of those items. I just am surprised they were not dropped right at the edge of the woods, except that he did not want anyone to know where she had been taken, not knowing that he had been seen. If anyone dropped the items, I believe he did.
peeples
04-17-2011, 11:31 PM
but there is buttons, fake nails or real finger nails, teeth from a zipper, threads form clothes, pieces of the soles of her shoes... lots of things that could be left behind
Nana46
04-17-2011, 11:34 PM
The huge volunteer force that showed up today was a perfect opportunity to document locals.. film people at registration tables...and watch POI's...they could also collect DNA...ie..from discarded water bottles and soda cans...not to mention fingerprints...with a such a small community today could have been an excellent opportunity to gather evidence secretly. Just what I would do...
WELCOME!!! thrilled to have you join us!!!!:seeya:
VicVixvi
04-17-2011, 11:35 PM
I didn't listen to all of it, but no, not really. Except that he was told not to talk to the media... So he does a spot on youtube? :waitasec:
Yeah, I loved that line, "I've got to be discreet because I was told not to talk to the media..." and then later "I don't consider myself talking to the media, I'm talking to the public..". :maddening:
I did get a couple of other take aways though. One was he was on the 'Conway Ridge and Yellow Springs' crew. He goes on to say that "I'm very confident that our team did a good job. I am extremely confident WITH THE STUFF WE FOUND that she will be found any day now..." - This tells me that they did find items that were most likely tied to HB or the case. At another point, he says that we were "deep. deep in the woods" which tells me that they are not concentrating on the roadways.
They had an emergency in their group and one of the searchers had to be evacuated due to heart.
>>redacted<<
His team leader is the sound director at Holly's church.
To me, this was the most important piece of info ... >>redacted so as not to endanger HB<<
This kid is not rocket scientist, but MOO is that he's sincere.
Of course, this should all be taken for what it is worth from a youtube video...
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 11:38 PM
I agree that she has left things behind in some fashion.
She is a very bright and resourceful young woman.
I also believe her understanding of the human psyche is keeping her alive.
He is unstable to have done what he has done.
But he is not insane nor is he stupid.
We're not talking backwoods Deliverance kindof stuff here.
There would not be so many searchers if those "in the know" (which I am not) were not of the belief that Holly is alive and being held somewhere in that densely wooded area, IMO.
People in a tightknit community get a feeling for what is going on around them.
Look at the turnout of searchers.
Tells me a whole lot about what is actually going on there.
All JMO
concentric
04-17-2011, 11:38 PM
Since Holly is a Christian, I wonder if she talked with him about the forgiveness of the Lord and his love. Will this person let her go alive?
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 11:38 PM
I will be shocked if she has been able to leave a trail...especially items of size, such as books and bags. I think he secured/restrained her as soon as they were out of sight of the house, possibly taped her mouth, and she would not have been able to hang onto all of those items. I just am surprised they were not dropped right at the edge of the woods, except that he did not want anyone to know where she had been taken, not knowing that he had been seen. If anyone dropped the items, I believe he did.
That's why I think the textbooks could be in the water by her house that divers were searching.
JMO
cluciano63
04-17-2011, 11:40 PM
I doubt her hands were free, to pick off buttons etc....I am sorry to say this, but I really think she was tied up and had her mouth taped and he probably carried her, since she is so small.
T4Tide
04-17-2011, 11:43 PM
I wonder why he thinks Holly could watch a youtube video?
DNeecie
04-17-2011, 11:47 PM
I doubt her hands were free, to pick off buttons etc....I am sorry to say this, but I really think she was tied up and had her mouth taped and he probably carried her, since she is so small.
I was thinking the same thing. IMO things were were dropped on accident or discarded because they were too much trouble to deal with.
VicVixvi
04-17-2011, 11:47 PM
I wonder why he thinks Holly could watch a youtube video?
Well like I said above, he's not exactly a rocket scientist... :floorlaugh:
peeples
04-17-2011, 11:48 PM
He doesn't think she can watch it.. but i myself posted things to her like Hold on help is coming etc..
Not really a prayer.. just sending positive thoughts to her on the off chance in this mysterious world she can pick up on them i guess. I dunno.. i always talk to the people in missing persons cases.. i squeeze my eyes shut really tight and yell it in my head...
Laddsy
04-17-2011, 11:48 PM
urine and faeces would leave a good trail. Sorry to sound disgusting
scorekeeper
04-17-2011, 11:48 PM
fanfed4life,
Welcome!! Glad to have you.......hope you feel at home!!
:fireworks2: :welcome: :welcome4: :greetings:
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-17-2011, 11:48 PM
The duct tape video by the side of the road tells me, if it is connected to her, that he untaped her if she was taped.
I believe he is keeping her like Elizabeth Smart was kept.
And he has prepared for this for a while.
Not necessarily that she was his only target.
Just his successful one.
And I don't think he has gone to another state.
He has "gone to ground" where he had a place prepared to be able to sustain himself for a good bit of time.
This is based on my familiarity with the area where Holly is missing and on my knowledge of just how many people live "off-the-grid" in that area and other areas like it.
Abundant wildlife for food. Springs everywhere with clean drinking water.
And the long winter months have passed.
So no need for a campfire for warmth.
With enough deer jerky there is no need to cook.
And there are always MRE's (meals ready to eat) that will keep for years.
JMO
EDIT: I am also thinking that the blood in the garage "by the door" wasn't even human. Just a ploy perhaps to throw LE off. The sample is here in a lab in Memphis now, but a presumptive test was surely done at the scene. Holly couldn't have been wounded very much if she was able to walk, although by force, into the woods.
VicVixvi
04-17-2011, 11:50 PM
I was thinking the same thing. IMO things were were dropped on accident or discarded because they were too much trouble to deal with.
Perhaps she's leaving tracking signs.
http://www.shurdington.org/Downloads/woodcraft.pdf
Nana46
04-17-2011, 11:51 PM
I dunno..........I am about ready to believe they are no longer in the area....don't know why but seems as if something would have been lodged loose by now....not really knowing the time between the abduction, the 911 call etc., he could have had quite the head start.:banghead:
DNeecie
04-17-2011, 11:56 PM
Perhaps she's leaving tracking signs.
http://www.shurdington.org/Downloads/woodcraft.pdf
I could be wrong.....just a feeling I have.
Soulmagent
04-17-2011, 11:57 PM
I dunno..........I am about ready to believe they are no longer in the area....don't know why but seems as if something would have been lodged loose by now....not really knowing the time between the abduction, the 911 call etc., he could have had quite the head start.:banghead:
I know I keep waiting for a BOLO to go out.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Q5-6vBQAUvcJ:jacksonnewsnow.com/articles/local-news/bolo-authorities-search-for-hit-and-run-suspect+bolo+holly+bobo&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com Thats my search result.
cluciano63
04-17-2011, 11:57 PM
If he is still with her and he is a local...why hasn't he been identified? It is hard to disappear for 5 days without anyone noticing, especially when everyone is thinking about nothing else. To me, it does not sound as though LE has pinpointed a suspect, since they are asking for help and with 250+ tips already, I doubt they want more tips to sort through if they know who their guy is.
So if he is a local, I am afraid that he was not gone all that long on Wednesday and slipped right back into his life.
VicVixvi
04-17-2011, 11:57 PM
From WN via twitter:
The Brantley Charter Bus Company of Lexington, donating buses to transport volunteers. Another.need.met. http://www.brantleycharter.net/
DNeecie
04-17-2011, 11:58 PM
I dunno..........I am about ready to believe they are no longer in the area....don't know why but seems as if something would have been lodged loose by now....not really knowing the time between the abduction, the 911 call etc., he could have had quite the head start.:banghead:
If he happens to not be from that area, just familiar with it, he may have headed back to familiar ground with her.
concentric
04-17-2011, 11:59 PM
The story of Ashley Smith and Brian Nichols
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/14/national/main679837.shtml
CocoChanel
04-18-2011, 12:00 AM
I just have to say that this reporter Will Nunley is doing a terrific job with his tweets. He says so much in the few words that Twitter allows, and has given great current info. Other stations and reporters could take a course from him after all is said and done. He has been a very important source of info for all of us, especially those far away. I'm grateful he is there.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 12:01 AM
I wonder why he thinks Holly could watch a youtube video?
Strictly IMO, there are plenty of laptops w/aircards and proxies.
My ex that was the army sniper used one whenever he was gone for long periods of time.
Maybe they have found an imprint of a metal "hardbook" type of laptop.
But I don't know if the perp would be watching youtube.
I do know that my husband's ip would show he was in Malaysia or Perth or Quebec and such places and it changed constantly.
There is also the chance that if this perp is a veteran of recent conflicts that he was a member of the signal corps, and understands technology, such as encoding, very well.
As well as how to play "stillmouse, quietmouse" while in what is basically plain sight.....aarrgh!
He may even have a camo-type mesh suit like our troops use.
But he is avoiding the dogs, so I think he is underground.
Literally.
That area around Natchez Trace Park is full of unmarked caves with very small hidden openings as well as some abandoned mines and rock quarries.:banghead:
JMO
Nana46
04-18-2011, 12:04 AM
The story of Ashley Smith and Brian Nichols
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/14/national/main679837.shtml
I remember that case, thank you Concentric.
I just don't know how rational and calm a 20 year old could be in that situation...I am sure it could be done but I am not sure I could do as that brave lady did.
There just seems to be an evil among us that gets worse with each passing day. I struggle and worry each day with what these poor families must go through. If Holly is not found soon the searches will surely scale back and the poor parents will have to deal with that along with everything else....no closure of any kind. God help them.
Nana46
04-18-2011, 12:07 AM
I just have to say that this reporter Will Nunley is doing a terrific job with his tweets. He says so much in the few words that Twitter allows, and has given great current info. Other stations and reporters could take a course from him after all is said and done. He has been a very important source of info for all of us, especially those far away. I'm grateful he is there.
I totally agree...we used to get WBBJ here and I was never very fond of it I am sad to say or admit....I guess it just was not as up to speed as our Memphis stations....but this guy is super. He is doing an amazing job and the station should be very proud of him.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 12:10 AM
If he is still with her and he is a local...why hasn't he been identified? It is hard to disappear for 5 days without anyone noticing, especially when everyone is thinking about nothing else. To me, it does not sound as though LE has pinpointed a suspect, since they are asking for help and with 250+ tips already, I doubt they want more tips to sort through if they know who their guy is.
So if he is a local, I am afraid that he was not gone all that long on Wednesday and slipped right back into his life.
You are probably correct, but i believe LE has NO idea who the perp is.
I believe he is "local" just not part of any community.
Totally off of the grid.
Just a feeling in my gut and heart and as always JMO
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 12:15 AM
The story of Ashley Smith and Brian Nichols
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/14/national/main679837.shtml
Very good example concentric!
I don't know a lot, but I do know that Holly was genuinely active in her church.
She was (IS) a true believer of what they teach.
I think she is a survivor and she will make it through this.
JMO and I am going to make a pot of coffee and I know LE is combing those woods and the helicopters are up and I will stay up as long as I can waiting for word.
Until I fall asleep with my laptop in my lap.......
Praying
cheko1
04-18-2011, 12:17 AM
You are probably correct, but i believe LE has NO idea who the perp is.
I believe he is "local" just not part of any community.
Totally off of the grid.
Just a feeling in my gut and heart and as always JMO
Agree with you! I think he is like a back woods man & nobody would notice his comings or goings. A person nobody notices! That is the scarey part!!!
RoseRed
04-18-2011, 12:20 AM
Strictly IMO, there are plenty of laptops w/aircards and proxies.
My ex that was the army sniper used one whenever he was gone for long periods of time.
Maybe they have found an imprint of a metal "hardbook" type of laptop.
But I don't know if the perp would be watching youtube.
I do know that my husband's ip would show he was in Malaysia or Perth or Quebec and such places and it changed constantly.
There is also the chance that if this perp is a veteran of recent conflicts that he was a member of the signal corps, and understands technology, such as encoding, very well.
As well as how to play "stillmouse, quietmouse" while in what is basically plain sight.....aarrgh!
He may even have a camo-type mesh suit like our troops use.
But he is avoiding the dogs, so I think he is underground.
Literally.
That area around Natchez Trace Park is full of unmarked caves with very small hidden openings as well as some abandoned mines and rock quarries.:banghead:
JMO
Think they checked out camping areas? What if he is an out of area camper? Campgrounds in this area are where?
Nana46
04-18-2011, 12:22 AM
Think they checked out camping areas? What if he is an out of area camper? Campgrounds in this area are where?
Everywhere...you name it. Lexington, Camden, Kentucky Lake, Beech Lake, gobs of them everywhere.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 12:26 AM
Nana, you are correct about the searchers eventually having to go away.
IMO that is just what the perp is waiting on.
With a whole lot of patience.
If he were just a young guy who was jilted/ignored by Holly and acted out, he would have been caught by now!
RoseRed
04-18-2011, 12:26 AM
Everywhere...you name it. Lexington, Camden, Kentucky Lake, Beech Lake, gobs of them everywhere.
Yes we stayed by Hurricane Mills . There are more by the exit Rt.69 and I40 also by TN river at Camden prolly some south of Camden closer to Parsons??? Not sure.
kantoo
04-18-2011, 12:27 AM
My brother just came back from turkey hunting in that area and he says he hopes no one gets shot accidentally by a hunter!
Geraldo back on:banghead:
Geraldo saying this presser indicates LE have hit a deadend....I don't think they have any idea who the perp is!
Expanding the search to 4 surrounding counties.
my apologies, i'm behind and trying to catch up, but LE reported yesterday in the presser that they were searching in 4 counties.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 12:33 AM
Yes we stayed by Hurricane Mills . There are more by the exit Rt.69 and I40 also by TN river at Camden prolly some south of Camden closer to Parsons??? Not sure.
Absolutely more than we could name.....
but I don't think he is any charted campground.....
I think he is in his own fantasy world that is only known to him....
and Holly.
Very possibly underground where helicopters and dogs will not find them.
I pray this is the case instead of what would most logically be the case.
If he had killed her, she would have been found by now.
Sometimes, the most logical answer, "Occam's Razor", isn't the answer.
JMO and my coffee is nice and strong
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 12:36 AM
my apologies, i'm behind and trying to catch up, but LE reported yesterday in the presser that they were searching in 4 counties.
:maddening:That's why I don't put much credence in Geraldo...but I had to watch because it concerned Holly.
christee
04-18-2011, 12:42 AM
Absolutely more than we could name.....
but I don't think he is any charted campground.....
I think he is in his own fantasy world that is only known to him....
and Holly.
Very possibly underground where helicopters and dogs will not find them.
I pray this is the case instead of what would most logically be the case.
If he had killed her, she would have been found by now.
Sometimes, the most logical answer, "Occam's Razor", isn't the answer.
JMO and my coffee is nice and strong
Lol the coffee!:giggle:...I know where I live there are bunches of Caves. Some are large and well-known and some are small and known only to locals.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 12:51 AM
Lol the coffee!:giggle:...I know where I live there are bunches of Caves. Some are large and well-known and some are small and known only to locals.
You're near the Smokies, lucky you:)
And I'm in Memphis on the mudplain...oh well.
Yes if people would just check property listings for Decatur County TN they would see how many of them list caves and springs.
The openings are often covered with vines and very hard to find.
That area also is pretty sandy instead of muddy.
There are many fire-roads and logging roads all thru that area.
I believe we are dealing w/an intelligent, perhaps college educated, perp here who has left all of that behind to live off the grid totally.
Possibly even a veteran of recent wars with military knowledge and training.
Let's think, if he was a local who just wanted to take Holly he would be missed.
Just like the TBI stressed today.
I think they were putting out what all profilers say to look for in these cases.
Anyone missing for unexplained reasons.
Anyone washing/cleaning a car "obsessively".
Anyone acting anxious.
Anyone reporting a vehicle/ATV missing.
Well with over 250 tips, there has been no such person.
Leads me to believe he is "local" but not known in the community.
What else can they say?
They basically are saying they have no idea who he is and that everyone is a suspect.
Back to square 1 and my belief that she is alive and he is waiting for the searchers to eventually have to give up.
Look at the Hailey Cummings case.
At so many others.
JMO
concentric
04-18-2011, 01:21 AM
I think they were putting out what all profilers say to look for in these cases.
JMO
I always have to laugh a little when an expert profiler is featured and just repeats what the expert profilers have been saying on every case for the last hundred years. How much money do these people make and where can we sign up?
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 01:24 AM
Really we know the lingo.
Could we get paid? LOL!
Back to the hershey kisses and coffee.....
and some really deep thoughts....thank God I don't have to be anywhere til 1 pm tomorrow!
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 01:35 AM
BBM going to check another thread:)
and my faithful doggy companion is snoring and making me sleepy!
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-18-2011, 01:42 AM
Alright I give in for the nite.....my dog is looking at me funny and wanting me to come to bed...
Praying so hard for Holly and that she is alive and well!!!
Although it always seems to show I am here because I never log off:)
JustMe42
04-18-2011, 01:49 AM
I believe it is either a very close neighbor or an ex. The reason I say this, is because it had to be someone that knew what time her mom and dad left the house, and what time she left for school on that day. College schedules are different. Her classes are not at the same time on all days. Are any neighbors close enough to see her families activities? But, why did they not think the brother would be home? I think they thought she would be alone. I also believe the camo was his story, to whomever, for why he was going out or where we was going, turkey hunting. I also believe the cell phone and lunch box were planted, or a false trail, to lead LE away from where not she, but where he is. I do NOT think he has her captive in the woods anywhere. Why? Because every guy that turkey hunts knows how many guys are in the woods this time of year and how much area they cover. I believe she is very very close to home. I also think LE has an idea of who it is.
Gnite Memphis......I'm off too...gnite all!!
RoseRed
04-18-2011, 02:01 AM
GNite all, Prayers for Holly!!!!
goldiegirl
04-18-2011, 02:05 AM
I've read, but only a couple places, that a neighbor supposedly called 911 as well as the brother (I know, misplaced modifier - she didn't call the brother, but I'm too tired to make a good sentence). Does anybody know what she saw? I've believed the brother from the beginning, because I have no reason not to, but it would just be interesting to see how close the stories are of two separate witnesses. Maybe they were looking from two different points of view. I say this because I'm curious about how she "did not go willingly" yet was not dragged, pushed, etc. I wonder if he might have had a weapon? I've also been a little confused about the blood. If it came from Holly, she would have been injured before walking into the woods, but she was still able to walk into the woods, so she obviously wasn't injured too severely. It's just interesting to think about. I've heard that the brother didn't think anything of the sight of Holly and the man walking into the woods at first, because he assumed it was her boyfriend, and that he only called later because he saw the blood. I've also heard the brother may have just woken up. I can understand how both of these would cause a person not to have a perfectly clear recollection of what was seen, but I wonder if perhaps the neighbor had a better idea of whether or not she looked injured and exactly how the two of them were walking. Either way, she's gone, so I guess maybe those things don't matter too much when it comes to finding her or identifying a perpetrator, but they're things I'm curious about.
cluciano63
04-18-2011, 02:12 AM
I think we've been led to think the neighbor may have heard a scream, but did not actually see anything. But there has also been a report that Holly's mom called 911 after her son called 911, accounting for the second call, so we really don't know.
I'm guessing that her brother's wording on the 911 may have been emotional after just seeing the blood and he said "dragged" but when later interviewed he may have clarified that he saw her walking into the woods with a man, maybe he was leading her.
I guess it is possible the abductor was bleeding; maybe even told her someone else was hurt in the woods, or that an animal was injured.
JustMe42
04-18-2011, 02:31 AM
Things that have me puzzled.
Brother looks out window and thinks its her b/f so thinks nothing of it. He doesnt see the b/f's vehicle???
Blood is supposedly found.'
If you were just hit or wounded would you still hold on to your lunch box?? Would you be "just walking" with the attacker???
If a perp had an abducted female, in the vehicle, while fleeing down a road, why would they be throwing items of the abducted females out the window like a lunch box??? If you think as to not have any evidence in the vehicle, well, theory is she is in the vehicle herself.
How did the perp get to the house?? If by foot or 4 wheeler, he lived very very close. If by vehicle, and then walked thru the woods, he had to know the area veryyy good, meaning, he lives close or hunts there. Brother never said he saw a vehicle or heard one that has been reported. Also, as much rain as that area has gottten lately, it would be easy to see their tracks. In areas as that, you expect to see "boot" tracks. I wouldnt think she had boots on.
revampz
04-18-2011, 02:34 AM
good night all in the US....I will keep my eyes on the news sites.....
Has it been confirmed that she has a restraining order on the ex boyfriend??????
Because that is always not a good sign in these cases, and he would be the first I would be looking at.
Also one thing I think is very odd is that the brother did not think it strange that her boyfriend was at her house at that early time. It was 7.20am or something like that wasnt it? Dont they live in a secluded location? so its not like he was just driving past or down the road. At my house we'd all be a bit surprised at a visitor at the time of morning....
revampz
04-18-2011, 02:35 AM
actually justme42.....that is an excellent point, how did the person get to the house??????? no one has said anything about a vehicle have they? unless it was parked down the road and he walked onto the property......
cluciano63
04-18-2011, 02:50 AM
I think he would have hidden a vehicle, especially if his plan was to get her into the woods, by either a ploy or a threat. If he took her in a car, maybe the lunch box was tossed out in anger at some point, maybe she was reaching into it, could be a number of reasons.
I also wouldn't think a brother would think much of the boyfriend being there, or looking for his car/truck. People see what they expect to see; when he saw his sister walking with a guy, he assumed it was the boyfriend and turned away.
annalyzer
04-18-2011, 03:03 AM
Things that have me puzzled.
Brother looks out window and thinks its her b/f so thinks nothing of it. He doesnt see the b/f's vehicle???
Blood is supposedly found.'
If you were just hit or wounded would you still hold on to your lunch box?? Would you be "just walking" with the attacker???
If a perp had an abducted female, in the vehicle, while fleeing down a road, why would they be throwing items of the abducted females out the window like a lunch box??? If you think as to not have any evidence in the vehicle, well, theory is she is in the vehicle herself.
How did the perp get to the house?? If by foot or 4 wheeler, he lived very very close. If by vehicle, and then walked thru the woods, he had to know the area veryyy good, meaning, he lives close or hunts there. Brother never said he saw a vehicle or heard one that has been reported. Also, as much rain as that area has gottten lately, it would be easy to see their tracks. In areas as that, you expect to see "boot" tracks. I wouldnt think she had boots on.
the whole story is so fantastic but i suppose anything nowadays can and does happen. i'm eager to find out whose blood it was, how much blood. also i'd like to know at what point did she scream? was it when accosted on the carport or after she went to the woods? why did her brother not hear the scream but a neighbor did? has the neighbor thing ever been confirmed?
marycarney
04-18-2011, 04:54 AM
Headed off to bed hoping this young lady is found - and soon.
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 07:10 AM
Law enforcement officials have received 250 leads that are currently being looked into.
The kidnapper is believed to be acting with increased stress, and is not believed to have any usual behavior or routine. Holly's father, Dana Bobo, said Thursday that he believes the man who snatched his daughter was familiar with the family's routine, according to Fox 17 reports.
Bobo's brother and boyfriend were previously reported as not being suspects, but according to Helm, this has changed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/17/law-enforcement-continue-search-tenn-woman-250-leads/#ixzz1JsNPSOaB
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 07:15 AM
Source: Law enforcement continues to gain specialized help, in searches for Holly. Authorities working around the clock. #hollybobo
1 minute ago via web
http://twitter.com/willnunley
DNeecie
04-18-2011, 07:21 AM
Found this just now. Man documenting search and interviewing a few volunteers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5t9W97wH24
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 07:22 AM
Sunday, investigators may have a better sense of who is behind the disappearance of a missing college student from Decatur County.
~~snip~~
Spokeswoman Kristin Helm confirmed over the weekend that blood, found at the crime scene, is still being DNA tested in Memphis to see whether it's that of Holly's.
~~snip~~
Helm said investigators are also beginning to draft the profile of the man behind this suspected crime; that mystery man who, according to Holly Bobo's brother, the only eyewitness, took his sister by the hand into the dense woods Wednesday morning.
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14463087/volunteers-gather-for-missing-woman-search
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 07:28 AM
Since Holly is a Christian, I wonder if she talked with him about the forgiveness of the Lord and his love. Will this person let her go alive?
I think it's highly unlikely in any abduction case where the victims walk out alive. in most cases they do not.
Whoever has her , probably does not give two flying flips what religion she is
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 07:34 AM
good night all in the US....I will keep my eyes on the news sites.....
Has it been confirmed that she has a restraining order on the ex boyfriend??????
Because that is always not a good sign in these cases, and he would be the first I would be looking at.
Also one thing I think is very odd is that the brother did not think it strange that her boyfriend was at her house at that early time. It was 7.20am or something like that wasnt it? Dont they live in a secluded location? so its not like he was just driving past or down the road. At my house we'd all be a bit surprised at a visitor at the time of morning....
Nope, just take that as a Rumor
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 07:36 AM
Bobo's brother and boyfriend were previously reported as not being suspects, but according to Helm, this has changed.
Are we allowed to speculate about the brother and boyfriend now?
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 07:43 AM
The only reason why I don't believe this young woman is still alive is because so much time has gone by. (please don't throw tomatoes at me)
I know my opinion is not very popular.
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 07:45 AM
Good morning y'all !
Interesting quote from a news report:
"CBS News correspondent Don Teague reports that while police initially believed the attacker had dragged Bobo away -- based on her brother's account -- investigators now suspect it was a familiar community member who led Bobo into the woods."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/18/national/main20054812.shtml
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 07:45 AM
Bobo's brother and boyfriend were previously reported as not being suspects, but according to Helm, this has changed.
Are we allowed to speculate about the brother and boyfriend now?
Nope. LOL
That thoery got shut down!
I dont understand why tho!
I dont want to get banned so :banghead:
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 07:48 AM
Good morning y'all !
Interesting quote from a news report:
"CBS News correspondent Don Teague reports that while police initially believed the attacker had dragged Bobo away -- based on her brother's account -- investigators now suspect it was a familiar community member who led Bobo into the woods."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/18/national/main20054812.shtml
Good morning carla!!
tfrohning
04-18-2011, 07:50 AM
:coffeews:Good morning everyone:coffeews:
This day I hope for holly to come home!!
annboleyn2011
04-18-2011, 07:51 AM
This case seemed fishy at the start and it still stinks. No one should be above suspicion until she is found, whether alive or dead.
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 07:55 AM
Nope. LOL
That thoery got shut down!
I dont understand why tho!
I dont want to get banned so :banghead:
That's because MSM said they had been ruled out, but today that changed and MSM is reporting that they have not been ruled out; therefore, I'll wait for a mod to chime in on this.
norest4thewicked
04-18-2011, 07:57 AM
Hi scorekeeper,
I think norest4thewicked was speaking about the brother and bf not being discussed as suspects or POI's which is what I was addressing and warning about.
You haven't offened anyone, we're glad to have you with us, if anyone has questions just drop me a pm, I'm happy to help.
Ima
Yes, that was what I meant. Families are victims as well as the actual victim. I just don't think that we should be calling them suspects on this board. :(
SouthWestHiker
04-18-2011, 07:57 AM
Good morning y'all !
Interesting quote from a news report:
"CBS News correspondent Don Teague reports that while police initially believed the attacker had dragged Bobo away -- based on her brother's account -- investigators now suspect it was a familiar community member who led Bobo into the woods."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/18/national/main20054812.shtml
A stranger never made much sense to me... It has to be someone she knows.
I think LE needs to focus on finding the kidnapper instead of search & rescue (though if they can do both, all the best!)... research every known acquantaince of Holly in that small town and focus on those without strong alibi. Find a suspect, search the areas he hangs out in.... these unfocused broad search sweeps don't seem too productive to me.
Strawberry Fields
04-18-2011, 08:03 AM
Has anyone confirmed or shot down (LE in particular) that anyone at all, neighbor or anyone, heard Holly scream? I also want them to lift the cover on that pool in Holly's backyard.
Strawberry Fields
04-18-2011, 08:07 AM
Has Holly's home been searched? It should be searched top to bottom, basement, attic, and the computers in the home, computers she may have access to at school as well. Cell phone records?? Have those been obtained? Seems like this case is moving slow to me. Guess it is normal to feel that way when not much information is available or at least the public is not getting any information.
There was a short segment on CBS Early show this morning about Holly. An officer from TBI was interviewed and he was asked by Chris Ragge if it hinders the investigation when a witness changes their story (paraphrasing). Not sure his exact response to that question but this officer did state rather emphatically that they are not going to have tunnel vision and rule out anyone as a possible suspect but he stopped short of saying brother or BF could be suspects, saying anyone is a "subject".
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 08:08 AM
Whitney Duncan to appear in moments on ABCS Good Morning America
This is one of the first times a family member has spoken about the case.
http://twitter.com/willnunley
((goodmorning everyone! DS has spring break/cartoons on or I would watch))
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 08:14 AM
That's because MSM said they had been ruled out, but today that changed and MSM is reporting that they have not been ruled out; therefore, I'll wait for a mod to chime in on this.
This all changed yesterday thats why we were talking about it but the moderator
came in and said we cant talk about it. LOL im sorry but she did.
trigger
04-18-2011, 08:16 AM
Officials said to be on the lookout for changes in behavior, such as missing work Wednesday through Friday. They also said to look for someone who may have excessively cleaned or sold a vehicle or all-terrain vehicle.
"If somebody is feeling very anxious or acting suspicious, behaving abnormally feeling a lot of anxiety - these are all things that would lead us to believe that this person could be a suspect," Spokeswoman Kristin Helm of the Tennessee Bureau Investigation said.
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/18/earlyshow/main20054812.shtml#ixzz1Gx7whNtk
(IMO this should have been done last week)
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 08:17 AM
This all changed yesterday thats why we were talking about it but the moderator
came in and said we cant talk about it. LOL im sorry but she did.
Oh, I understand now. I'm a little late to the news this morning. :)
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 08:17 AM
Has anyone confirmed or shot down (LE in particular) that anyone at all, neighbor or anyone, heard Holly scream? I also want them to lift the cover on that pool in Holly's backyard.
I believe a neighbor heard her scream
belimom
04-18-2011, 08:24 AM
Bobo's brother and boyfriend were previously reported as not being suspects, but according to Helm, this has changed.
(snip)
Regarding the quote from the article, it's not what LE said. They said that no one has been ruled out. The way the article makes it sound, it's just more 'sensational journalism', IMO.
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 08:25 AM
I believe a neighbor heard her scream
I read that somewhere early on but i never heard about it again!
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=35.676124,-88.170691&spn=0.013247,0.032787&z=16&iwloc=0004a0e4116221f893719
This shows ya where her home is and the yellow drops are the neighbors they are not that close!
they probably could hear a scream but not see anything!
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 08:28 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/18/national/main20054812.shtml
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 08:28 AM
I believe a neighbor heard her scream
Remember i dont think the neighbors live exactly next door. Isnt there some distance? So if a neighbor heard something, its unlikely that Holly's brother, back at the house, would hear it.
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 08:30 AM
Remember i dont think the neighbors live exactly next door. Isnt there some distance? So if a neighbor heard something, its unlikely that Holly's brother, back at the house, would hear it.
I think her neighbor lives a mile away, but not sure
5150_bound
04-18-2011, 08:31 AM
I believe a neighbor heard her scream
we heard about that early on but then not another word about it.
when the press said a woman called 911, i think many assumed it was the neighbor that heard Holly scream. then again... many assumed it was Holly's mom that called (along with her brother) i hope the press gets ahold of the 911 tapes today!!
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 08:33 AM
I think her neighbor lives a mile away, but not sure
Here thisis where her neighbors are!
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=35.676124,-88.170691&spn=0.013247,0.032787&z=16&iwloc=0004a0e4116221f893719
it shows her three neighbors. the rest is wilderness! and retention ponds.
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 08:35 AM
we heard about that early on but then not another word about it.
when the press said a woman called 911, i think many assumed it was the neighbor that heard Holly scream. then again... many assumed it was Holly's mom that called (along with her brother) i hope the press gets ahold of the 911 tapes today!!
I hope so tooo id love to hear them!
It was first reported The mom was home with the son then it went to the son called mom at work and they both called 911 and there is the story about the neighbor hearing a scream.
its all very confusing!
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 08:36 AM
take this fwiw (re: items cbs is reporting found):
Investigators have discovered several of Bobo's Bobo's personal items, including her cell phone, purse, and lunch box.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/18/earlyshow/main20054812.shtml
another snip on the not ruling anyone out:
Authorities refused to rule out anyone in Parsons, Tennessee as potential suspects in the disappearance of 20-year-old nursing student Holly Bobo, and are asking for help from people in the rural community as the search continues.
"We have not eliminated anyone from the investigation," Mark Gwynn, Director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, told "The Early Show... that's why we ask the community to look among themselves."
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 08:39 AM
I can assume that LE is working on this in various ways for various purposes:
All the hunting in the woods may just be for evidence. Any little thing of interest or use has to be found... Aparently things have been found also, just not disclosed. So that is encouraging.
I am sure there is alot of office work going on. People sifting through phone records, internet stuff like email, face book, etc., and investigating where Holly worked, socialized, etc.
I assume also that cops are checking out various fellons and offenders that live in the area. Some of the statewide or nationwide work could involve checking on people who moved into or out of the area. Perhaps there was a similar case in, say, a neighboring state last year and cops are comparing notes.
belimom
04-18-2011, 08:39 AM
Has anyone confirmed or shot down (LE in particular) that anyone at all, neighbor or anyone, heard Holly scream? I also want them to lift the cover on that pool in Holly's backyard.
LE confirmed it in a PC... The sheriff was asked who witnessed it and replied that a neighbor heard Holly scream.
ETA: It's in this video... http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-tennessee-abduction-clues-emerge-search-continues/story?id=13389409
5150_bound
04-18-2011, 08:39 AM
the mass confusion & mis-information on this case reminds me soooo much of the Morgan Harrington case. I'll never forget when LE on Morgans case said she was wearing a Panera (as in the bread) shirt, when she was wearing a Pantera (as in the band) shirt. omg *facepalm*
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 08:40 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/holly-bobo-center-massive-search-13397976
gma interview with cousin
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 08:43 AM
I notice the headline there "Holly's Kin NOT Ruled Out" interesting.
While that article mentions items supposedly found I think the one I posted earlier said that reports of a phone etc were false?
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 08:45 AM
The GMA video shows the duct tape.
5150_bound
04-18-2011, 08:47 AM
[quote=nursebeeme;6352934]take this fwiw (re: items cbs is reporting found):
Investigators have discovered several of Bobo's Bobo's personal items, including her cell phone, purse, and lunch box.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/18/earlyshow/main20054812.shtml
cell phone???
I wonder if that stems from the car/camo clothes/phone talk.
southern_scout
04-18-2011, 08:49 AM
The duct tape is in that piece. Surely they know by now if it had blonde hair on it and if it's Holly's hair. How long does hair analysis take?
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 08:49 AM
Now in theory they could get fingerprints or touch dna from duct tape. Although that info is less useful if the suspect has no prior criminal history and isn't in the system.
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 08:51 AM
"We have over 250 leads that we're running...the next analysis of a piece of evidence could be a key in solving this particular incident," said Mark Gwyn, director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. "I can tell you that we have not eliminated anyone from this case."
Some of that key evidence includes the 20-year-old nursing student's lunch box found miles from her home. The other evidence being analyzed was found in the woman's driveway and includes blood on the ground and duct tape with blond hair stuck to it.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-search-country-singer-whitney-duncan-pleads/story?id=13397819
another snip:
"We're analyzing that evidence at the TBI [Tennessee Bureau of Investigation] crime lab as I speak and we're hoping...that we will come to conclusion pretty rapidly," Gwyn said.
more at link
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 08:51 AM
The duct tape is in that piece. Surely they know by now if it had blonde hair on it and if it's Holly's hair. How long does hair analysis take?
DNA analysis (if they have hiar roots and not just broken pieces of hair) may take a while as that is usually sent out to a lab. Im sure they can rush it but normally DNA takes months. Remember in the Anne Pressly case, they helped catch her killer in November because they just got DNA back in another assault case that happened in I believe April. So in that instance (Arkansas) it took 7 months.
Hair can be compared microscopically in a matter of minutes. A trained specialist can note color similarities, etc. While not a perfect match they could say it was similar or not or even human or not (not from a dog that, say, walked on a piece of tape)
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 08:53 AM
finger prints on the duct tape??? one can only hope eh?
eta: I see you just said the same thing above Carla :-)
southern_scout
04-18-2011, 08:53 AM
Thanks, Carla. I was thinking they could probably at least come out and say "possibly her hair" or "no hair" sometime soon. I know DNA takes longer.
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 08:58 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/holly-bobo-inside-investigation-13398157
interview this am with Mark Gwyn (sp)
5150_bound
04-18-2011, 08:59 AM
i take the duct tape (if it turns out to be related to this case) as a good sign! it means (IMO) the person is keeping her alive & wanted to transport her- not just kill her.
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 08:59 AM
The GMA video shows the duct tape.
they should be able to get prints off that duct tape.
But what if this perp has no prints on file?
mysticrose
04-18-2011, 09:02 AM
They should be using a private lab for any DNA testing. I had to have one done for my son and it was one that was more complicated then most, 4 people had to be tested all family members (grandma, Grandpa, uncle and himself) to compare to his because his father was murdered in AZ when he was 5...anyhow that only took 7 days for me to get the results back.
That even sounds long in a case like this but it is better then months...
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 09:02 AM
On the way back to the command center after anchoring the morning show. More updates soon.
http://twitter.com/willnunley
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 09:05 AM
Not Saying this is the case: But what if Holly knows she is going to be killed, she may be leaving behind clues so if they don't find her they will find her killer.
Denise Amber Lee left a ring in the car she was abducted in, she never took off that ring. I think that was her way of leaving behind clues so they would find the perp in case she was killed & sadly she was. :(
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 09:06 AM
Tennessee Bureau Investigation Director Mark Gwyn told Good Morning America today that the search for Holly Bobo continues this morning.
More than 250 leads are being investigated and Gwyn said investigators feel closer to finding out more details.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110418/NEWS/110418004/Holly-Bobo-search-continues-morning-?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 09:07 AM
i take the duct tape (if it turns out to be related to this case) as a good sign! it means (IMO) the person is keeping her alive & wanted to transport her- not just kill her.
I hope you are right.
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 09:09 AM
There was also a case of someone pulling out their own hair and stuffing it between the seats of the back of the car. I don't remember which case it was.
Does anyone know?32
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 09:09 AM
they should be able to get prints off that duct tape.
But what if this perp has no prints on file?
Ultimately its still good evidence. Even with no prints on file, when they catch this guy and his prints match the prints on the tape... Evidence doesn't have to be used to catch someone per se, but can be used to link someone to a crime for prosecution.
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 09:10 AM
There was also a case of someone pulling out their own hair and stuffing it between the seats of the back of the car. I don't remember which case it was.
Does anyone know?32
In the Denise Amber Lee case she stuffed her wedding ring into the seat, and I think hid the broken parts of her cell phone in the back of the car she was in.
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 09:11 AM
http://www.wbir.com/rss/article/166527/2/Officials-ask-residents-for-help-in-finding-Holly-Bobo?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
video here has some snippits from presser yesterday
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Not Saying this is the case: But what if Holly knows she is going to be killed, she may be leaving behind clues so if they don't find her they will find her killer.
Denise Amber Lee left a ring in the car she was abducted in, she never took off that ring. I think that was her way of leaving behind clues so they would find the perp in case she was killed & sadly she was. :(
Hi iluvmua, Im from North Port florida where amber lee lived that was the most horrific case i had ever heard. Nothing at all was done right the system let thislgirl down. They sure had enuff clues and 911 calls ,,,that girl should not be dead.
Gardenlady
04-18-2011, 09:21 AM
the mass confusion & mis-information on this case reminds me soooo much of the Morgan Harrington case. I'll never forget when LE on Morgans case said she was wearing a Panera (as in the bread) shirt, when she was wearing a Pantera (as in the band) shirt. omg *facepalm*
Omg... If it weren't under such sad circumstances, this would be hilarious.
Really, you would hope LE departments have some younger folks working on these cases, to sift through the cultural, social, and tech stuff that's involved. I mean... It's an understatement to say that the Panera crowd is pretty different than the Pantera crowd, lol.
Morning all... Hoping today is the day Holly comes home. Hoping that despite the odds she is staying strong! :praying:
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 09:22 AM
Hi iluvmua, Im from North Port florida where amber lee lived that was the most horrific case i had ever heard. Nothing at all was done right the system let thislgirl down. They sure had enuff clues and 911 calls ,,,that girl should not be dead.
I know, Denise's 911 calls were chilling to listen to.
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Oh, how I wish she would have never left with this guy.
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 09:26 AM
I know, Denise's 911 calls were chilling to listen to.
How about the woman that was following the car she was in with 911 on the phone she was giving them direstions to her and LE never came!
Can you imagine how angry her dad was hes with the Port charlotte sheriffs office. North port never passed the info to port charlotte. What a messs,
sorry to be OT back to holly!
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 09:29 AM
They need to pass Denise's Law in every state.
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 09:33 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/04/12/national/main285243.shtml
Last name pronounced Slooty)
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 09:34 AM
Oh, how I wish she would have never left with this guy.
Myself I do not understand the "go quietly and you wont be hurt" mentality. From what I have seen it doesn't work (or work often enough to be effective). Holly wasn't alone at home so a scream would have alerted her brother. Right there the attackers plans would have gone south fast and he may not have had a chance to do anything further but run off. I suppose people do act differently in different situations. But we teach little kids to scream and make a fuss if someone tries to grab them. It isn't a criticism of what any one in particular does or doesn't do. Just an observation. I think I would like to take my chances in my own front yard. I was assaulted in my own house and oddly remember some of a huge struggle, but I do not remember screaming or yelling. I do remember talking. Weird.
Penelope
04-18-2011, 09:38 AM
Here thisis where her neighbors are!
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=35.676124,-88.170691&spn=0.013247,0.032787&z=16&iwloc=0004a0e4116221f893719
it shows her three neighbors. the rest is wilderness! and retention ponds.
If it is true that a neighbor heard her scream, then...
-- the perp had brought her closer to the neighbors homes, because Holly's house is a distance away and there is a lot of surrounding bush so I don't know how close she'd have to be for the neighbors to actually hear a scream. (On my farm, my neighbors to the north were a similar distance and one would have to make a real blood-curdling scream from their house in order for me to hear it.)
-- maybe the perp did have a car on the road and the neighbor heard the scream when he transferred Holly into the car.
-- maybe the perp was walking with her behind/beside the neighbors houses and she screamed to alert someone and he shut her up (hand or cloth over mouth)
Just My Opinion.
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 09:44 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/17/tennessee.missing.woman/index.html
good video ((woman who spoke at presser yesterday))
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 09:47 AM
If it is true that a neighbor heard her scream, then...
-- the perp had brought her closer to the neighbors homes, because Holly's house is a distance away and there is a lot of surrounding bush so I don't know how close she'd have to be for the neighbors to actually hear a scream.
You could test that fairly easily by having a smallish woman in the woods scream and see how it sounded at the house. Lets say it was a quarter of a mile. You could make a quarter mile radius of the neighbors house and look for evidence.
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 09:49 AM
Brief blurb on Fox cable news
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 09:50 AM
http://www.wkrn.com/story/14465186/officials-ask-residents-for-help-in-finding-missing-woman
new article but not much new information wise
iluvmua
04-18-2011, 09:50 AM
Brief blurb on Fox cable news
What did they say?
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 09:53 AM
What did they say?
LOL Nothing. Just a voice over from the host saying she was still missing and a video clip of her mom asking for her to come home. Was maybe 15 seconds. Perhaps it was a teaser? They cut right to a commercial but now they are on a different story.
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 10:07 AM
its very quiet isnt it?
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 10:10 AM
its very quiet isnt it?
I can dance on top of the table and sing Lady Gaga songs ? :woohoo:
Lerpiniere
04-18-2011, 10:10 AM
Holly wasn't alone at home so a scream would have alerted her brother.
What I am unclear about are the neighbors. Looking at Hollye's map, the neighbors seem clustered far enough away from the house to make it difficult for them to hear a scream. If they heard it that far away, and one reportedly did, how could anyone in the house not have heard it - unless as Penelope suggests, she was led out of the woods back to Swan Johnson in the vicinity of the neighbors to the perp's waiting car.
Sarahlou
04-18-2011, 10:12 AM
I've been reading this case from the start. Interesting points made by all. Unfortunately I think Holly died very soon after she was kidnapped. I really don't think there's anybody hiding out in a cave/hut with her. I hope I'm wrong though.
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 10:18 AM
What I am unclear about are the neighbors. Looking at Hollye's map, the neighbors seem clustered far enough away from the house to make it difficult for them to hear a scream. If they heard it that far away, and one reportedly did, how could anyone in the house not have heard it - unless as Penelope suggests, she was led out of the woods back to Swan Johnson in the vicinity of the neighbors to the perp's waiting car.
Well yes thats it. I do not think Holly screamed while she was near her own house but at some point farther away. Maybe at a point she was being put into a car, bound, etc. You could find out how far an average scream would carry in woods to know how far away from the neighbors house (who heard teh scream) she was. I would assume Holly was between her house and that neighbors house, but she could have been on the far side of the neighbors house.
Lerpiniere
04-18-2011, 10:21 AM
Well yes thats it. I do not think Holly screamed while she was near her own house but at some point farther away. Maybe at a point she was being put into a car, bound, etc. You could find out how far an average scream would carry in woods to know how far away from the neighbors house (who heard teh scream) she was. I would assume Holly was between her house and that neighbors house, but she could have been on the far side of the neighbors house.
Looking at Hollye's map, the neighbors seem clustered south of the Bobo house on Swan Johnson. One would think the perp would park north of the house on the street, away from houses and witnesses.
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 10:23 AM
I've been reading this case from the start. Interesting points made by all. Unfortunately I think Holly died very soon after she was kidnapped. I really don't think there's anybody hiding out in a cave/hut with her. I hope I'm wrong though.
That is a distinct possibility :sick: although she seemingly if she were killed it was not in the immediate vicinity of her house, or at least in a manner which left a crime scene to be found. And if she was killed on the spot, he took her body with her which might be odd and a lot of work if you wanted to be quick about it. That would also not necessarily match with finding her discarded lunch box (why throw that out keep it with the body?) and the tape (why take the tape off if she was dead or why tape her if she was dead). So who knows.
I notice in a lot of famous stalker murders the victim was killed on the spot, on their doorstep, and concealment was not attempted. Nor was stealth a huge factor either.
I don't buy the hidden survivalist bunker story myself. An ATV may have been used but I think its a car/truck/suv myself. parked on a back road or trail close to her house. If she/they are in the woods it is NOT in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene and evidence (lunch box found by a road) may imply he/they drove off. I think dead or alive Holly would be more likely to be at a home, utility building, rental shed, etc rather than some tent or shelter in the woods.
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 10:24 AM
I can dance on top of the table and sing Lady Gaga songs ? :woohoo:
Be careful, and don't fall down! ;)
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 10:25 AM
I can dance on top of the table and sing Lady Gaga songs ? :woohoo:
Funny carla! :rocker:
peeples
04-18-2011, 10:41 AM
Hi iluvmua, Im from North Port florida where amber lee lived that was the most horrific case i had ever heard. Nothing at all was done right the system let thislgirl down. They sure had enuff clues and 911 calls ,,,that girl should not be dead.
OMG.. that woman's life could have been saved several times (i just read the wiki article)... how sad!!!
Penelope
04-18-2011, 10:43 AM
Looking at Hollye's map, the neighbors seem clustered south of the Bobo house on Swan Johnson. One would think the perp would park north of the house on the street, away from houses and witnesses.
It does seem odd, doesn't it. Some suggestions as to why he would park south:
-- Maybe there is a dirt road or some place south of the Bobo house where he could park his car undetected and where there were trails from there to the house.
-- Maybe he observed that, upon leaving the house in the morning, Holly's parents traveled north to get to their jobs.
-- Maybe he lives south or southwest of the Bobo house
-- Maybe he is related to one of the neighbors
-- Maybe there is an atv/hiking trail that extends from near the Bobo property and south through the woods in the vicinity of the neighbor's house.
I would like to know where the neighbor was when he/she heard the scream. And what did the scream sound like, ie. was it just a person/female screaming or did it sound like a person/female screaming in terror and in fear of her life. (there is a difference-- I have heard both)
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 10:43 AM
OMG.. that woman's life could have been saved several times (i just read the wiki article)... how sad!!!
it was the worst case i had ever ever heard! did you hear her 911 calls she made herself from his car? It makes ya cry!
Eileen730
04-18-2011, 10:46 AM
It does seem odd, doesn't it. Some suggestions as to why he would park south:
-- Maybe there is a dirt road or some place south of the Bobo house where he could park his car undetected and where there were trails from there to the house.
-- Maybe he observed that, upon leaving the house in the morning, Holly's parents traveled north to get to their jobs.
-- Maybe he lives south or southwest of the Bobo house
-- Maybe he is related to one of the neighbors
-- Maybe there is an atv/hiking trail that extends from near the Bobo property and south through the woods in the vicinity of the neighbor's house.
I would like to know where the neighbor was when he/she heard the scream. And what did the scream sound like, ie. was it just a person/female screaming or did it sound like a person/female screaming in terror and in fear of her life. (there is a difference-- I have heard both)
I would like to know if she called 911?
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 10:46 AM
Ok the main story is on Fox TV now... Mary Ellen O'Toole, former FBI profiler gave a live interview with Alisyn Camerota. Nothing new but it was interesting.
shefner
04-18-2011, 10:47 AM
Please verify:
The ex-boyfriend left work on the morning of her disappearance and has not returned? Someone posted that in an article above (but the article was dated the 14th).
Has the ex-boyfriend been accounted for?
texasgirl2
04-18-2011, 10:49 AM
Good Morning y'all! Praying that today is the day we get some answers! :(
I am not caught up on thread #5 just yet but have been here since day one as well. I personally have hope that she is still alive. In all honesty, that's not unusual for me...I always seem to have hope even when it looks a little bleak. That's just me. However, I have to say that on Friday when I was here at WS posting with all of you, I was beginning to believe that she might have been killed soon after her abduction. Then LE called urgently for volunteers and then a couple of hours later, sent everyone home. It has been an absolute rollercoaster of emotions because I truly believed 110% that she was going to be found Friday night SAFE. Reading on WS as long as I have, I know that with every second that ticks by, it becomes less likely that Holly is still alive. But I can't help but think that LE has SOMETHING that we don't know about...something BIG that points in the direction of her being safe. I know it's crazy but the way they are handling this case has me even more hopeful than I usually am. I really do believe that Holly is still alive....but that's possibly only because I am trusting that LE has a reason to urgently request volunteers. I mean, am I wrong to think that if they thought she was no longer with us, they wouldn't have 1200-2000 people who could possibly contaminate their crime scene and/or Holly's body?
So many thoughts and I am honestly about as confused in this case as I am in the Maura Murray case.
As always, I am praying for Holly. And praying for an end....soon!!
Adrienne37
04-18-2011, 10:56 AM
The ex-boyfriend, at this point, has to be considered as a rumor because there's been absolutely nothing verified by LE or any MSM that I'm aware of. I would think if there was an ex-boyfriend, we would have heard about it by now from a reputable source so I'm taking that little tidbit of information with a grain of salt right now. You can bet if she had an ex, he hadn't shown up for work since she's been missing, that would have been made public knowledge at least IMO.
The rumors are rampant with this case, all the way from how Holly disappeared, to the 911 calls, etc., etc., etc.
~jmo~
Capri
04-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Please verify:
The ex-boyfriend left work on the morning of her disappearance and has not returned? Someone posted that in an article above (but the article was dated the 14th).
Has the ex-boyfriend been accounted for?
Bumping for the answer for that one too
http://missingpersonsblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/holly-bobo-no-dragging-of-holly.html
Certainly if there was a RO against an ex, it would be filed in the system...off to look
curiousc
04-18-2011, 10:58 AM
Do you think they have a suspect in mind? The way they said it may be someone familiar in the community leads me to believe they may and perhaps are trying to get witnesses to come forth to verify.
belimom
04-18-2011, 11:00 AM
Do you think they have a suspect in mind? The way they said it may be someone familiar in the community leads me to believe they may and perhaps are trying to get witnesses to come forth to verify.
IIRC, they didn't just say 'from the community' - didn't they say 'from Decatur County'? Or do I have that part wrong...?
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 11:00 AM
I still just want to figure out what the heck went down.
As near as I can figure it, it was a targeted kidnapping. If it was a robbery why not take something. And you woudlnt necessarily go to the trouble here (duct tape, hidden vehicle and some distance to go to gt to it, etc) if you were going to steal a tv set. Also since Hollys car was still there the person knew he/they/someone was at home if they had observed the house as much as they seemingly did.
Murder was not the main intent of the initial crime. If so, she would have been killed on the spot like rebecca schaeffer.
Since no secondary crime scene has yet to be found (or disclosed?) I try to be hopeful... Yes the clock is ticking but on the other hand with nothing found so far its hard to say what is happening.
summer_breeze
04-18-2011, 11:01 AM
Good morning everyone.
To answer your questions:
MSM articles are indeed saying that no one has been ruled out, but no one has been named as a POI or suspect, therefore the discussion/sleuthing of the brother and boyfriend (as suspects/POI) is still not allowed at this time.
Thanks for your understanding.
~Summer_Breeze
cluciano63
04-18-2011, 11:01 AM
If LE does have a suspect in mind, then the way they are talking, he is no longer with Holly, but instead has resumed his life. Not good for Holly, if that is the case.
SurfieTX
04-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Source: even more tactical teams brought in to help search. #hollybobo
less than 10 seconds ago via HTC Peep
http://twitter.com/willnunley
texasgirl2
04-18-2011, 11:04 AM
If LE does have a suspect in mind, then the way they are talking, he is no longer with Holly, but instead has resumed his life. Not good for Holly, if that is the case.
That's the part that gets me.....do they believe she is in that park and they just haven't found her yet? To me....that just doesn't make sense.
What is leading them to focus on this particular area but at the same time ask if anyone saw a specific vehicle on Wednesday morning? It is so incredibly confusing and again makes me think that there is a BIG something we just don't know yet. :waitasec:
chasing.halos
04-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Country Music Star Defends Cousin Against Kidnap Claims of Missing Tennesse Woman
PARSONS, Tenn. -- Country music singer Whitney Duncan, cousin of missing 20-year-old Tennessee nursing student Holly Bobo, wrote on her Twitter late Sunday night to defend rumors that Bobo’s brother was involved in his sister’s kidnapping.
"My cousin Clint, Holly's brother, is NOT a suspect & I'm sick of people saying that he is. He has been cleared for good reason. Shut up," Duncan said in a tweet late Sunday.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/04/18/country-music-star-tweets-defense-cousin-kidnap-claims-missing-tennesse-woman/
Chili Fries
04-18-2011, 11:09 AM
Do you think they have a suspect in mind?
I've seen nothing that leads me to believe they do at this point (that may change when the DNA analyses are completed). I think they are probably focused on locals because they believe...Holly was likely targeted, the perp may have known the family's schedule somehow and because it seems improbable that a random person from out of town would wind up at the isolated Bobo household.
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 11:16 AM
Rather than a specific suspect I suppose they have a suspect profile in mind. You know... most likely a male, roughly 200 lbs, probably in a certain age range, possibly acting suspicious or worried, possibly missing or having unaccounted time, possibly washing or selling his car, etc.
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 11:19 AM
Another detail I just thought of is that Holly's abductor probably knew she was NOT home alone. If he had scouted the house out as much as it has been assumed, he would know her brother was there so after he confronted Holly, he took her into the woods and not into the house. Its a minor detail but implies again that he knew the house and peoples activities.
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 11:22 AM
Ok now this is just weird...
ANOTHER report of what happened last Wednesday morning.
"Holly’s 25-year-old brother, Clint, was in his bed upstairs in the family’s Parsons home when he heard his sister screaming outside about 7:30 a.m. Wednesday, according to family friends."
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 11:23 AM
Volunteer: "we searched well past 10:00 last night on our own, just going over everything again"
http://twitter.com/willnunley
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 11:25 AM
Ok now this is just weird...
ANOTHER report of what happened last Wednesday morning.
"Holly’s 25-year-old brother, Clint, was in his bed upstairs in the family’s Parsons home when he heard his sister screaming outside about 7:30 a.m. Wednesday, according to family friends."
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/
I actually recall reading that at some point in the main stream media... cannot recall when...
but this looks to be a blog? (at the bottom says it was taken from the AP)
eta: isn't their house a ranch? I just got to thinking that
CHARLISA
04-18-2011, 11:26 AM
If Holly's car was in the driveway, why did he go to all the trouble of walking her into the woods to escape? He had to know that she had the keys & if he was stalking her also knew she was going to college that day. She wouldn't have been missed for hours. Seems to me he could have just driven or had her drive the car out in the boonies to escape. Sure took alot of chances in drawing attention to himself by walking thru the yard and into the woods IMO. BTW, how far is the woods from where she was parked?
Carla Lashelle
04-18-2011, 11:30 AM
If Holly's car was in the driveway, why did he go to all the trouble of walking her into the woods to escape? He had to know that she had the keys & if he was stalking her also knew she was going to college that day. She wouldn't have been missed for hours. Seems to me he could have just driven or had her drive the car out in the boonies to escape. Sure took alot of chances in drawing attention to himself by walking thru the yard and into the woods IMO. BTW, how far is the woods from where she was parked?
starting a car makes noise even if holly would have started it
getting into the car makes noise (opning and closing at least one door if not two)
possibility of making noise with the horn, her jamming the car in drive and hitting the wall, etc.
better to perhaps stun her (blood found) and lead her off to his own car
plus if he took hollys car that would heave his car parked nearby for cops to find
nosylla
04-18-2011, 11:37 AM
The home is a 1 story home, so the report that her brother was "upstairs" in bed....is incorrect info. (click on "more facts" to see more details on the home)
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/681-Swan-Johnson-Rd-Darden-TN-38328/41208334_zpid/
I actually recall reading that at some point in the main stream media... cannot recall when...
but this looks to be a blog? (at the bottom says it was taken from the AP)
eta: isn't their house a ranch? I just got to thinking that
Ok now this is just weird...
ANOTHER report of what happened last Wednesday morning.
"Holly’s 25-year-old brother, Clint, was in his bed upstairs in the family’s Parsons home when he heard his sister screaming outside about 7:30 a.m. Wednesday, according to family friends."
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/
nursebeeme
04-18-2011, 11:39 AM
thanks nosylla... that is what I was thinking (that it was a ranch)
norest: I am not nosylla but I think she was pointing out the inaccurate reporting as the house doesn't even have an upstairs.
moo
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