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borndem
04-19-2011, 08:27 AM
Good Morning, People! :seeya:
The Defense begins to present its case today.

TXredhead178
04-19-2011, 08:33 AM
Should be interesting ...

:smiliescale:

kljohnson0458
04-19-2011, 08:36 AM
I can't wait to hear more details in this case so I can get off the :fence:

kellyroll
04-19-2011, 08:56 AM
Desperately seeking one witness to debunk Google searches. :)

NCEast
04-19-2011, 08:58 AM
Good Morning, People! :seeya:
The Defense begins to present its case today.

Good morning all, I'm aboard and ready to roll!

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:05 AM
Are we there yet?


:crazy:

Maja
04-19-2011, 09:05 AM
Wonder if we'll see HM?

Towhee
04-19-2011, 09:06 AM
Desperately seeking one witness to debunk Google searches. :)

Half expecting Defense to reinforce Google search findings. :crazy:

Tipstaff
04-19-2011, 09:08 AM
Wonder if we'll see HM?

Oh I hope so.. and good morning all.

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:08 AM
http://www.wral.com/news/video/9247382/#/vid9247382

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:10 AM
Wonder if we'll see HM?
Ummm....probably not, lol.
I mean really, what exactly can she testify to that benefits Brad?

gorealtors
04-19-2011, 09:14 AM
Ummm....probably not, lol.
I mean really, what exactly can she testify to that benefits Brad?



I think we'll see her ex, though!:ohwow:

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:17 AM
I think we'll see her ex, though!:ohwow:
Yep. He's gonna raise his hand and swear that Brad's such a great guy, he forgives him for sleeping with his wife.

:)

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 09:23 AM
:seeya:

Tipstaff
04-19-2011, 09:25 AM
Yep. He's gonna raise his hand and swear that Brad's such a great guy, he forgives him for sleeping with his wife.

:)

Won't the cross of BC's best sharing buddy be interesting?

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:25 AM
:seeya:
Goood morning. Did you get the memo it's your turn to bring donuts?

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 09:27 AM
Got my laundry done. You know a load a day keeps the suspicions away! :floorlaugh:

Let's get this defense case started! :)

gorealtors
04-19-2011, 09:28 AM
Won't the cross of BC's best sharing buddy be interesting?


Yea, when that starts, I am closing my office door and won't be taking any phone calls so I can jack back and enjoy the circus!:giggle:

Cheyenne130
04-19-2011, 09:29 AM
I would imagine the first order of business from the defense will be a motion to dismiss.

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 09:31 AM
Goood morning. Did you get the memo it's your turn to bring donuts?

LOL! They are on the buffet table next to the evidence!

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:31 AM
I would imagine the first order of business from the defense will be a motion to dismiss.
Yea, because you know Brads constitutional rights have been violated....and stuff.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:32 AM
will the defense be ready to proceed? will they ask for more time blah blah blah

Cheyenne130
04-19-2011, 09:33 AM
Yea, because you know Brads constitutional rights have been violated....and stuff.

The CLAIM will be that the prosecution did not prove their client was guilty and the judge will very quickly deny the motion. I think the defense side does that in every case no matter how much evidence has been presented.

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:33 AM
will the defense be ready to proceed? will they ask for more time blah blah blah


OOooooohh- weeeee if they ain't ready. I think a judge meltdown of epic proportions would happen.

borndem
04-19-2011, 09:34 AM
Goood morning. Did you get the memo it's your turn to bring donuts?

Yeah, and remember, everybody, I get the chocolate-iced with Bostom cream filling. yummmmmmmmmm. Or maybe two of 'em.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 09:34 AM
Here, present, ready. Having trouble with feed this a.m. though. Ah, there it is.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:35 AM
Defense witnesses are from the geek squad....

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 09:35 AM
Yeah, and remember, everybody, I get the chocolate-iced with Bostom cream filling. yummmmmmmmmm. Or maybe two of 'em.

Those are my favorite!!

FullDisclosure
04-19-2011, 09:36 AM
Ooooh, Mr. Ward is their computer expert, and he was referenced in Kurtz's cross with Chappell. I'm really interested in what he said he found, having gotten a little taste last week!

NCEast
04-19-2011, 09:36 AM
To anybody who has been in the actual court room--approximately how many rows are there, behind where the parents sit?

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:36 AM
The CLAIM will be that the prosecution did not prove their client was guilty and the judge will very quickly deny the motion. I think the defense side does that in every case no matter how much evidence has been presented.
True that, but.... here's my money right now that Kurtz will get that constitution rights violation in there somewhere.

:twocents:

LyndyLoo
04-19-2011, 09:36 AM
Voir Dire of Mr. Ward ( Def. Expert) loooong by State~~~~

Here we go folks

gracielee
04-19-2011, 09:36 AM
Well, well, well, the prosecution JUST NOW GOT materials. Why has the defense waited so long to hand over materials?

FullDisclosure
04-19-2011, 09:36 AM
I would imagine the first order of business from the defense will be a motion to dismiss.

I doubt it!

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 09:36 AM
Hooray Jay Ward, bring him on!

NCEast
04-19-2011, 09:37 AM
Got my laundry done. You know a load a day keeps the suspicions away! :floorlaugh:

Let's get this defense case started! :)

LOL, you're right! I've been working on mine too.

FullDisclosure
04-19-2011, 09:37 AM
To anybody who has been in the actual court room--approximately how many rows are there, behind where the parents sit?

Four, maybe? The court room is much smaller than it appears on the video. Shockingly so!

Cheyenne130
04-19-2011, 09:38 AM
Looks like I was wrong unless the motion to dismiss is done in the presence of the jury.

Towhee
04-19-2011, 09:38 AM
I think it's funny how the judge has his head buried in his laptop while Zellinger is arguing.

borndem
04-19-2011, 09:38 AM
The judge looks like he feels better this morning. Anybody agree? Of course it's early, but maybe he got some rest or meds or both. I hope he has a good day, although he seems to still have the sniffles.

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:38 AM
Motion in limine to exclude expert witness. Baaad defense not getting discovery to prosecution....

NCEast
04-19-2011, 09:39 AM
Hooray Jay Ward, bring him on!

I have forgotten who he is???????????
Now the prosc. is making a motion to exclude his testimony.

sunshine05
04-19-2011, 09:40 AM
Shocking that the judge is going to bar the jury from hearing Jay Ward!!!

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:40 AM
I would imagine the first order of business from the defense will be a motion to dismiss.

wouldn't he have done that yesterday after the state rested? when the blackout was on

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:41 AM
doesn't that suck that a juror cannot be with her child during surgery

borndem
04-19-2011, 09:43 AM
Jay Ward on linkedin:

www.linkedin.com/in/ (http://www.linkedin.com/in/)jayward


I realized he worked for a few years where I did -- he does not look familiar, but maybe a light will turn on (!).

LyndyLoo
04-19-2011, 09:43 AM
I have forgotten who he is???????????
Now the prosc. is making a motion to exclude his testimony.

No NCEast~~ That was Kurtz who suggested that...State was only saying that he may move to NOT make him an expert witness....(which I doubt he would) however he wants to ask a whole bunch of questions outside of the jury's view....

Didnt hear Kurtz ask for "Motion to Dismiss"..Did anyone else??

NCEast
04-19-2011, 09:43 AM
Who is Jay Ward??????

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:43 AM
Another juror needs off time.
<thud>

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 09:43 AM
I have forgotten who he is???????????
Now the prosc. is making a motion to exclude his testimony.

Jay Ward is a computer/network expert.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:43 AM
wral WRAL NEWS in NC
Defense expected to call its first witness today in Brad Cooper's murder trial. Live coverage on WRAL.com. #coopertrial

NCEast
04-19-2011, 09:43 AM
Jay Ward on linkedin:

www.linkedin.com/in/jayward


Thank you!!

BrownRice
04-19-2011, 09:44 AM
doesn't that suck that a juror cannot be with her child during surgery

I am pretty sure I would be in contempt of court because I can't imagine anything keeping me from that hospital! What is the surgery for?

gracielee
04-19-2011, 09:46 AM
doesn't that suck that a juror cannot be with her child during surgery

I don't think it's surgery, judge said a medical procedure. Next week juror needs to go to orthodontist. I think the judge is pretty liberal with the jurors. Much more so now-days, anyway. :seeya:

gracielee
04-19-2011, 09:47 AM
Okay, do we care about what he did in the early '80s or what ever?

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:48 AM
A self taught expert? No documented education for an EXPERT witness?

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:48 AM
geek...probably self taught..no real education imo

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:49 AM
jumped on the dot com wagon...wonder if he has made any money considering he came in carrying a back pack!!

Cheyenne130
04-19-2011, 09:50 AM
geek...probably self taught..no real education imo

What he is describing right now is the job that I had (network administrator, system administrator, phones, software, computers). I did it all and I'm certainly no expert!!

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 09:51 AM
I will be absolutely AMAZED if this witness is allowed to testify as an expert.


THIS is the guy that will dispute the testimony of the DOCUMENTED computer forensic physicist the prosecution used.

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 09:51 AM
A self taught expert? No documented education for an EXPERT witness?

I am just guessing that this would be the first time he will testify as an expert!

gracielee
04-19-2011, 09:52 AM
A self taught expert? No documented education for an EXPERT witness?

So what, does this mean they couldn't get anybody with a degree? :great:

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 09:52 AM
A self taught expert? No documented education for an EXPERT witness?

In the late 80's early 90's there were no real education programs for networking and computer science programs were based around programming and not administration. It is not unusual at all.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:53 AM
hey we did all this in the 80's also..so would I be an expert???

hotpinkstef
04-19-2011, 09:53 AM
is the jury in ?

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 09:54 AM
hey we did all this in the 80's also..so would I be an expert???

But of course!

cody100
04-19-2011, 09:54 AM
In the late 80's early 90's there were no real education programs for networking and computer science programs were based around programming and not administration. It is not unusual at all.

He certainly seems extremely knowledgeable to me.

borndem
04-19-2011, 09:55 AM
Those are my favorite!!


Well, okay -- We'll split one. I'm drooling...are you?!

Palomine
04-19-2011, 09:55 AM
is the jury in ?

NO...

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 09:56 AM
He said he wanted to work for the FBI.

My he's very chatty, isn't he?

LyndyLoo
04-19-2011, 09:57 AM
I am just guessing that this would be the first time he has testified as an expert!


I was wondering why the State wanted to question ( Voir Dire) this witness outside of the jury??..Now I see why?..I thought an expert had to have certain credentialling?...I am sure he has a slew of experience..but not sure how the courts look at things like this?..Anyone know?

Side Note: my eldest son started with just plain experience and knowledge..but even he now has to get upgraded ( credentialling ) every 6 months and has to travel all over to attend these classes...Internet, computer systems are evolving so fast, they just have to constantly update their licencings...

WolfpackWoman
04-19-2011, 09:57 AM
I'm amazed that you guys are complaining about this. The prosecution asked for an extensive voir dire of this witness for qualification as the expert. The defense is complying with that.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 09:58 AM
He certainly seems extremely knowledgeable to me.

So does the kid across the street, but would he be deemed an 'expert witness' in a court of law?

Albert
04-19-2011, 09:58 AM
He certainly seems extremely knowledgeable to me.

Really? He has not testified to anything yet, everything is about his background which is, so far, similar to 1000's upon 1000's of us that are in this field.

gorealtors
04-19-2011, 09:58 AM
He said he wanted to work for the FBI.

My he's very chatty, isn't he?


Even considered law school.:rolleyes:

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:00 AM
http://web.interhack.com/news/n2011/computer-scientist-prepares-law-students-for-best-use-of-experts

there are actual educated computer experts......

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 10:00 AM
Think about it this way........the jury has to decide who is the more credible witness. Compare the credentials of the prosecutions witness, to the credentials of the defenses witness.

NCEast
04-19-2011, 10:01 AM
A self taught expert? No documented education for an EXPERT witness?

He is FULL of himself!

gracielee
04-19-2011, 10:02 AM
Really? He has not testified to anything yet, everything is about his background which is, so far, similar to 1000's upon 1000's of us that are in this field.

When my husband testifed as an expert witness, his educational credentials were important, as well as his 'continuing education' and recent courses, training programs, certificates, etc.

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:02 AM
So....defense just found this guy last night??

He's certainly proud of himself...:innocent:

NCEast
04-19-2011, 10:02 AM
What he is describing right now is the job that I had (network administrator, system administrator, phones, software, computers). I did it all and I'm certainly no expert!!

You may not be an expert with technology, but we think you are a mighty special, expert, person!

NCB
04-19-2011, 10:02 AM
"They say the memory is the second thing to go..."

Do I WANT to know what the first thing is?!? Huh??

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:02 AM
Thank you!!


Some may not be able to use that one -- this is better!


www.linkedin.com/in/jayward (http://www.linkedin.com/in/jayward)

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:03 AM
So does the kid across the street, but would he be deemed an 'expert witness' in a court of law?

well, that is why we have his presentation of credentials which are not through.

NCEast
04-19-2011, 10:03 AM
is the jury in ?

I don't think so.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:03 AM
it is not his software..........he is a webmaster in my opinion

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:04 AM
heh.

He's having his 15 min of fame. And he is taking every last second of it.

And we're only up to 1999 with this bank stuff.

< yawn >

Is he as knowlagable and more expert than the FBI?

nyet.

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:04 AM
So....defense just found this guy last night??

He's certainly proud of himself...:innocent:

I thought he was on the list for some time according to Kurtz

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:04 AM
OMG, this is so boring I could turn to eating again and wreck my diet. I won't mind missing this proffering this morning. Call me when the prosecution starts to cross:escape:.

Towhee
04-19-2011, 10:04 AM
1st Citizens has to be thrilled to have their name and corporate image associated to this trial.

NCEast
04-19-2011, 10:05 AM
"They say the memory is the second thing to go..."

Do I WANT to know what the first thing is?!? Huh??

I heard that too and want to know as well.

Tipstaff
04-19-2011, 10:05 AM
Is this the 'expert' to counteract the FBI expert?

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:05 AM
I bet he is not handling these accounts in the year 2000

Cheyenne130
04-19-2011, 10:05 AM
"They say the memory is the second thing to go..."

Do I WANT to know what the first thing is?!? Huh??

I believe it is a joke. The person is expecting someone to ask, "What's the first thing?" so the jokester can respond, "I can't remember".

ladyofthelake
04-19-2011, 10:05 AM
The DPD FBI specialist... asking someone who was in the courtroom.

What was his PhD in, when did he publish his dissertation, and what University awarded his doctorate?

LyndyLoo
04-19-2011, 10:06 AM
http://web.interhack.com/news/n2011/computer-scientist-prepares-law-students-for-best-use-of-experts

there are actual educated computer experts......

It appears that Brad is credentialled and more of an 'expert" than this guy. Its too bad he cant testify on this subject for himself, eh?...

This guy sure does have a knowledge base, however wonder why he didnt take the time to get licenced or credentialled??..Maybe too busy

gorealtors
04-19-2011, 10:06 AM
Is this the 'expert' to counteract the FBI expert?


I think so, Tip!:crazy:

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:06 AM
Is this the 'expert' to counteract the FBI expert?

yes this is my buddy tommy, he is a computer geek

NCEast
04-19-2011, 10:06 AM
Some may not be able to use that one -- this is better!


www.linkedin.com/in/jayward (http://www.linkedin.com/in/jayward)

So he worked at Cisco too.

NCB
04-19-2011, 10:06 AM
I believe it is a joke. The person is expecting someone to ask, "What's the first thing?" so the jokester can respond, "I can't remember".

Guess I need to get my mind out of the gutter then, lol...

kantoo
04-19-2011, 10:07 AM
I bet he is not handling these accounts in the year 2000

said he was there from 1999-2002... but good point....what is he doing now?

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:07 AM
What was that prediction last night that someone made that the defense would be quick and to the point and not meander?

LOLOL. that was a good one!

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:07 AM
The DPD FBI specialist... asking someone who was in the courtroom.

What was his PhD in, when did he publish his dissertation, and what University awarded his doctorate?

I would like to know that also. Many computer forensic guys are not graduates of computer technology schools or degreed in computer technology.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 10:07 AM
well, that is why we have his presentation of credentials which are not through.

Usually the 'educational credentials' are listed prior to the work experience credentials, unless the educational credentials are ongoing, which is of course prefereable. Continuing education & work experience = expert witness in most of the *real* world. At least that's been my experience.

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 10:08 AM
When my husband testifed as an expert witness, his educational credentials were important, as well as his 'continuing education' and recent courses, training programs, certificates, etc.

It depends on what you are testifying on. If there is no educational program for the subject he is testifying about what educational credentials would you like for him to produce?

His professional experience is extensive and solid.

sunshine05
04-19-2011, 10:08 AM
I thought he was on the list for some time according to Kurtz

He is on both defense and prosecution lists.

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:08 AM
Will he include a "pull my finger" joke next?

Star12
04-19-2011, 10:08 AM
Isn't this the guy who has been sitting next to Mr. Cooper throughout the trial?

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 10:08 AM
OMG, this is so boring I could turn to eating again and wreck my diet. I won't mind missing this proffering this morning. Call me when the prosecution starts to cross:escape:.

NO!!!! You have done so well! He will have to be done sooner or later!

lib's mom
04-19-2011, 10:09 AM
I heard that too and want to know as well.

I kinda took that as his way to work in the joke.

JW:"They say that the memory is the first thing to go."

Kurtz:"What's the first thing?"

JW:"I can't remember."

And then everybody will LOL (in his mind.)

He's definately eating this up.

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:10 AM
Wonder if he ever applied to the FBI and how that turned out? Wouldn't it be something if he applied and was rejected by them?

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:10 AM
What was that prediction last night that someone made that the defense would be quick and to the point and not meander?

LOLOL. that was a good one!



Actually they were quick to bring their witness up. Now, it will take a while to voire dire him for the State. I still stand by that statement.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 10:11 AM
I thought he was on the list for some time according to Kurtz

Then why did they just hand over the discovery materials '5 minutes prior to court starting today'?

Towhee
04-19-2011, 10:11 AM
'wonky' is a technical term. :loser:

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 10:12 AM
Witness is stuttering.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:12 AM
surely the defense could have gotten an real expert..someone that doesn't use the terms wonky...my memory gets worse the older I get...

NCB
04-19-2011, 10:13 AM
I kinda took that as his way to work in the joke.

JW:"They say that the memory is the first thing to go."

Kurtz:"What's the first thing?"

JW:"I can't remember."

And then everybody will LOL (in his mind.)

He's definately eating this up.

I'm embarrassed to confess you all have much purer hearts and minds than I do... ;o)

gorealtors
04-19-2011, 10:13 AM
What a snooze fest!

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:13 AM
Then why did they just hand over the discovery materials '5 minutes prior to court starting today'?

Ask Kurtz not me. I am just watching this like you.

ncsu95
04-19-2011, 10:14 AM
A self taught expert? No documented education for an EXPERT witness?

Right...because there are no experts without degrees. You know, people like Bill Gates. I guess he wouldn't be an expert either since he dropped out of college to form a little company called Microsoft out of his garage. I think experience means more to expert status than degrees.

sunshine05
04-19-2011, 10:14 AM
surely the defense could have gotten an real expert..someone that doesn't use the terms wonky...my memory gets worse the older I get...

You didn't hear that the state had him on their witness list too?

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:14 AM
oh goodie. we're now up to 2002.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 10:14 AM
1st Citizens has to be thrilled to have their name and corporate image associated to this trial.

First Citizens, I think that was the original snobby bank of raleigh. I remember when we first moved down there, they didn't want our banking business. :great:

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:14 AM
There you go: Cisco. This is too good.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:15 AM
and there you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he doesn't seem to keep jobs so he may not be an expert he may just be a know it all

Star12
04-19-2011, 10:15 AM
Hmmm this guy is not giving me warm and fuzzies. I would walk across the street to avoid him

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 10:15 AM
Mr Kurtz wants to acquire FBI apparatus/ methodology and put it into this witnesses hands. Riiiight.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:15 AM
You didn't hear that the state had him on their witness list too?

no where did you get this information from

ncsu95
04-19-2011, 10:16 AM
Okay, do we care about what he did in the early '80s or what ever?

Sure we do. It's building the "foundation" to show why he is an expert.

gorealtors
04-19-2011, 10:16 AM
Mr Kurtz wants to acquire FBI apparatus/ methodology and put it into this witnesses hands. Riiiight.



The cross of this witness will be priceless!:great:

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 10:17 AM
The cross of this witness will be priceless!:great:

Looking forward to it!

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:17 AM
Arrogant isn't he? I predict, if he is actually allowed to do this bragging, the jury will dislike him. I'm certainly tired of listening to him pat himself on the back. :innocent:

ncsu95
04-19-2011, 10:17 AM
Think about it this way........the jury has to decide who is the more credible witness. Compare the credentials of the prosecutions witness, to the credentials of the defenses witness.

I think the jury will compare the testimony of the 2, not the credentials.

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:17 AM
This guy never would have been accepted into the FBI. He can't stop talking and talking and talking. You ask him the time and he tells you how to build a clock.

sunshine05
04-19-2011, 10:18 AM
no where did you get this information from

It was mentioned in court today while both sides were discussing him with the judge.

dramamama
04-19-2011, 10:18 AM
Good morning! Just tuning in. Do I understand correctly that the jury is not hearing this?

momof7
04-19-2011, 10:18 AM
I guess the point of all the job hopping is to prove the diversity of his knowledge.

For me personally, job hopping drives me crazy....and yes, he does seem full of himself. Likeable enough, he is boring..but honestly, I can understand what he is saying which is a first in the technical stuff!

Kelly

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 10:18 AM
It does not appear this guy has stayed with any employer very long.

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:19 AM
It was mentioned in court today while both sides were discussing him with the judge.

I heard that as well. He was definitely on defense and I gathered from what I heard on the prosecution's list.

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:19 AM
Does he still work for Cisco??

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 10:19 AM
I think the jury will compare the testimony of the 2, not the credentials.
IMO, the jury won't even HEAR this witness. He's not qualified to testify as an expert in his field.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 10:20 AM
I'm embarrassed to confess you all have much purer hearts and minds than I do... ;o)

< my mind was in the gutter, apparently, is that where you are too > 'first thing to go?'

< snort >

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:20 AM
He is FULL of himself!


Well, we hired smart people, but not necessarily modest ones....http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif
I'm still trying to "place him." I do have a glint of being in meetings on some project or other.... :waitasec:

Cheyenne130
04-19-2011, 10:20 AM
Right...because there are no experts without degrees. You know, people like Bill Gates. I guess he wouldn't be an expert either since he dropped out of college to form a little company called Microsoft out of his garage. I think experience means more to expert status than degrees.

Experience is certainly important to develop expertise but in this situation it seems that the best expert for the job would have been the security person employed by Cisco at the time of the murder. Brad's computer was on the Cisco network and it was their security hardware and software in place that would need to be analyzed. Why didn't the defense get that person to do this review of Brad's computer?

Sailor Bug
04-19-2011, 10:20 AM
Sure we do. It's building the "foundation" to show why he is an expert.

This "expert" appears only to have expertise in communicating 500 words minute:floorlaugh: his commentary IS quite the skill:great:

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:21 AM
He just confirmed that Cisco takes network security very seriously. That just strengthens the fact that Cooper was on a VERY secure network when he was doing that Google map search on Fri July 11. If there had been an intrusion it would have been detected.

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:21 AM
I think the jury wants to go home....

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:21 AM
Does he still work for Cisco??

I think he may have his own company now. I am not sure.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:22 AM
why, if this guy is so good...why has he had so many jobs? if he is a keeper ..someone would have snagged him and kept him

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:22 AM
I think he may have his own company now. I am not sure.

Thanks....hopefully, not in public relations.....

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:23 AM
< my mind was in the gutter, apparently, is that where you are too > 'first thing to go?'

< snort >

Maybe it is his hair. LOL

momof7
04-19-2011, 10:23 AM
I think he may have his own company now. I am not sure.

Yes, I thought when he first was brought out it was said he was owner of a security/company type company. I was barely listening though at that point.

Kelly

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:24 AM
When my husband testifed as an expert witness, his educational credentials were important, as well as his 'continuing education' and recent courses, training programs, certificates, etc.

Be impatient, GLee, I'm sure that's coming -- maybe after lunch!!

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:24 AM
It was mentioned in court today while both sides were discussing him with the judge.

the pros never said he was on their witness list..they just said that they were given the discs 4 mins before court started..and they knew they were on the defense witness list..but they would have to question him to see if he was an actual expert

momof7
04-19-2011, 10:25 AM
This jury is constantly needing breaks? Aren't they on break when they aren't in the courtroom?

Kelly

gorealtors
04-19-2011, 10:25 AM
Thanks....hopefully, not in public relations.....


An hour and a half more of this guy?????????:doh:

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 10:25 AM
This jury just boggles my mind. NEVER seen anything like it.

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:25 AM
why, if this guy is so good...why has he had so many jobs? if he is a keeper ..someone would have snagged him and kept him

Just a guess....but, I bet after listening to him, other employees wanted to muzzle him. He is sooooo arrogant!! :sick:

happy2binNC
04-19-2011, 10:25 AM
Does he still work for Cisco??

LinkedIn shows he was at Cisco from 10/02 to 1/06, then at Symantec before launching his own "Strategic and tactical security consulting" company in 2007.

NCEast
04-19-2011, 10:25 AM
Good morning! Just tuning in. Do I understand correctly that the jury is not hearing this?

Right,,,and the judge is sending them out until noon. By then both sides will have finished with him and then a decision will be made if he can testify as an expert.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 10:26 AM
Right...because there are no experts without degrees. You know, people like Bill Gates. I guess he wouldn't be an expert either since he dropped out of college to form a little company called Microsoft out of his garage. I think experience means more to expert status than degrees.

Like I said, if one is to be deemed an 'expert witness', one must have an extensive educational background, along with continuing education, certifications, membership in professional associations, much like an 'engineer' working towards and accomplishing the goal of 'Professional Engineer'. Who know's if Bill Gates would be qualified as an 'Expert Witness' or not? He'd have to be questioned on his credentials in that field.

ncsu95
04-19-2011, 10:26 AM
I think he may have his own company now. I am not sure.

According to linked in he does...and has been running it for 4 years.


ETA: It's a small 2-4 person company with annual revenues between 500K and 1 Million specializing in Network Penetration Testing, Network Vulnerability Assessments, Application Vulnerability Assessments, Computer Forensics, Risk Assessment

kantoo
04-19-2011, 10:26 AM
This jury is constantly needing breaks? Aren't they on break when they aren't in the courtroom?

Kelly

i think there's at least one smoker in the bunch (judge mentioned a smoke break one day??)

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:27 AM
The jury has been sitting in the jury room, waiting for court to begin this morning. Wish they could be made aware that the delay was caused by Brad and his posse.

Star12
04-19-2011, 10:27 AM
why are we in blackout?

sunshine05
04-19-2011, 10:28 AM
why, if this guy is so good...why has he had so many jobs? if he is a keeper ..someone would have snagged him and kept him

He is so good that he now owns his own business.

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 10:28 AM
Wake up, Chad. I can't see.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:28 AM
This jury just boggles my mind. NEVER seen anything like it.

they are asked to come to work at 9:30 they deserve to know when court is going to start since they were on time...

sunshine05
04-19-2011, 10:29 AM
the pros never said he was on their witness list..they just said that they were given the discs 4 mins before court started..and they knew they were on the defense witness list..but they would have to question him to see if he was an actual expert

Wrong. Later, go back and listen to the recording from this morning. He IS on both lists, not making this up!

Star12
04-19-2011, 10:29 AM
oh yeah, cannot show the jury

jrb0124
04-19-2011, 10:29 AM
Like I said, if one is to be deemed an 'expert witness', one must have an extensive educational background, along with continuing education, certifications, membership in professional associations, much like an 'engineer' working towards and accomplishing the goal of 'Professional Engineer'.

WRONG. That's not the definition nor qualification of an expert witness.

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:29 AM
heh.

He's having his 15 min of fame. And he is taking every last second of it.

And we're only up to 1999 with this bank stuff.

< yawn >

Is he as knowlagable and more expert than the FBI?

nyet.

Now, now, '74 -- let's just ask him...

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 10:30 AM
Oh, there is that 'thwart' word!

WolfpackWoman
04-19-2011, 10:30 AM
I still can't believe you guys are blaming this on the defense. They came ready to do this in front of the jury, and the prosecution did a last minute motion in limine to do this without the jury. So, how exactly is this the defense's fault?

Towhee
04-19-2011, 10:30 AM
"thwwwarrt'

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:30 AM
... and we're up to 2005. 6 more years to go.

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:31 AM
I thought he was on the list for some time according to Kurtz

I think you're right, Cody.

Towhee
04-19-2011, 10:31 AM
Oh my, 'Howard' has to answer the judge's question for the expert.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:31 AM
Wrong. Later, go back and listen to the recording from this morning. He IS on both lists, not making this up!

if he was on their list..wouldn't they already know if he qualified as an expert?

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:31 AM
Jury will be back at noon, just in time to be sent to lunch. Thank's Brad. :loser:

lib's mom
04-19-2011, 10:32 AM
He has really got to quit saying penetration testing. Now Kurtz is doing it. Because I am child and can't stop making jokes in my head.

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:32 AM
OMG, this is so boring I could turn to eating again and wreck my diet. I won't mind missing this proffering this morning. Call me when the prosecution starts to cross:escape:.


You want a donut, doncha?! http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

sunshine05
04-19-2011, 10:33 AM
if he was on their list..wouldn't they already know if he qualified as an expert?

Palomine, why don't you ask them?

ETA: The state obviously doesn't want a defense witness to be considered an "expert" to support their case because he can be asked his opinions. That is why they are making him go through this.

Amster
04-19-2011, 10:33 AM
I still can't believe you guys are blaming this on the defense. They came ready to do this in front of the jury, and the prosecution did a last minute motion in limine to do this without the jury. So, how exactly is this the defense's fault?

Maybe getting discovery 4 min. before court started this morning?? :waitasec:

momof7
04-19-2011, 10:33 AM
He has really got to quit saying penetration testing. Now Kurtz is doing it. Because I am child and can't stop making jokes in my head.

Oddly enough...you are not alone.

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 10:35 AM
Well, what a surprise, the first defense witness up and the majority here start the bashing of the witness as soon as he sits in the chair.

Double standards is almost too kind of a word.

Easy, now. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. I certainly do not have double standards.

momof7
04-19-2011, 10:35 AM
Maybe getting discovery 4 min. before court started this morning?? :waitasec:

I thought the discovery issue was 2 dvds given to the pros at 9:28 this morning?

Kelly

jrb0124
04-19-2011, 10:35 AM
I think we all realize that the prosecution's case is tenuous as best. All it will take is one expert witness to throw reasonable doubt on their case and the jury will likely acquit. This is the reason for all the hyperventilating and nervousness disguised by humor.

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:36 AM
This jury is constantly needing breaks? Aren't they on break when they aren't in the courtroom?

Kelly

I don't think they're allowed to leave the jury room when they are sent out - unless it's an actual break time or released by the judge. When I served jury duty we were stuck in the deliberation room while the attorneys/judge discussed matters and worked on a plea agreement. We were not allowed to leave the room even for the bathroom.

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 10:37 AM
The jury has been sitting in the jury room, waiting for court to begin this morning. Wish they could be made aware that the delay was caused by Brad and his posse.

The delay is being caused by the prosecution.

fran
04-19-2011, 10:37 AM
I hope the pros made note of what this guy is saying. IF he's allowed as an 'expert' witness, he just gave away the store, imho.

He said he's never worked at a system he couldn't get into. There's MANY ways and he was to find them. There's ALWAYS ways, and the attacker only needs to find one.

IMHO, that would mean to me, as a NON computer type, BC being an 'EXPERT' knows a way that no one else may to have gone in and done stuff and leaving NO TRACE.

In other words, BC can MOST LIKELY do ANYTHING this guy can.

JMHO
fran

PS>....oops, just got his advertisement in for his company....

snowshuze
04-19-2011, 10:37 AM
<sigh>

The point is... the judge has to follow LAW. The expert witness has to have VERIFIABLE knowledge, training, and expertise in the field he is testifying in. He <the judge> can't just let any who-dad who SAYS they are qualified/experienced up on the stand to potentially taint the jury.
I see more kittens in the near future.

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:37 AM
I think we all realize that the prosecution's case is tenuous as best. All it will take is one expert witness to throw reasonable doubt on their case and the jury will likely acquit. This is the reason for all the hyperventilating and nervousness disguised by humor.

Not hyperventilating - actually barely breathing from boredom. In fact, I may be unconscious in my seat.

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:37 AM
this guy doesn't even have a website!

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:40 AM
you want a donut, doncha?! http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

omg, yessssss!!!

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:40 AM
Maybe they can have Brad vs this expert and see who can bring up a call log history on a cell phone the fastest!

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:40 AM
wral WRAL NEWS in NC
On video timeouts, we've put those in place to help manage bandwidth. We're working on a "beep" for you who are listening only

wral WRAL NEWS in NC
Currently, the prompt to continue watching will occur after the video player has been running for 25 minutes. #coopertrial

Sailor Bug
04-19-2011, 10:41 AM
He has really got to quit saying penetration testing. Now Kurtz is doing it. Because I am child and can't stop making jokes in my head.

I hear ya...All I heard was he penetrated more than 100 :shocked2::floorlaugh:

momof7
04-19-2011, 10:41 AM
this guy doesn't even have a website!

I looked as well but thought that I had not heard the name of the company correctly.

Kelly

jrb0124
04-19-2011, 10:42 AM
Maybe they can have Brad vs this expert and see who can bring up a call log history on a cell phone the fastest!

To make it fair it should be a 3-way race with CPD also participating.

JW won!
BC close second.
CPD...oooppps

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:42 AM
1st Citizens has to be thrilled to have their name and corporate image associated to this trial.


You bet (I've just outed myself a bit) -- especially his citing our asset size (yes, it's public info) and some or the internal security info. I was wondering if FCB might have someone in the courtroom... dunno

Now it sounds like he was too big for even Cisco to contain him. Quite the guy. The courtroom is about to burst wide open with egos this morning.

"I'm too wonky for my car too wonky for my car
Too wonky by far
And I'm too wonky for my hat
Too wonky for my hat what do you think about that..."

LyndyLoo
04-19-2011, 10:43 AM
Finally some certifications he received from Cisco...I feel better now ..

WolfpackWoman
04-19-2011, 10:43 AM
No comments now that he's listing off all of his certifications?

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:43 AM
I looked as well but thought that I had not heard the name of the company correctly.

Kelly

http://www.wireghost.com/

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 10:43 AM
Plenty of industry certifications including CISSP which is the most widely recognized industry standard security certification.

Queen Bee
04-19-2011, 10:44 AM
hello!:seeya: newby here......but long time lurker........wanted to say thanks so much for the insight and info i always get here........going back to lurk, but had to try it out.........

and also ask.......why is judge gessner's long lost twin brother testifying?:floorlaugh:

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:45 AM
I hear him and I hear "whaaa, wha, whaaaaa, whaa, wha, waaaa." You know, the Charlie Brown adult voices.

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 10:45 AM
If I am ever at a party in which this guy is also there, I will fling myself to the other side of the room immediately, so I don't end up cornered and have to chew my own foot off to escape the steel trap of his monologues.

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 10:45 AM
http://www.wireghost.com/

Not impressed, LOL!

SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 10:45 AM
To make it fair it should be a 3-way race with CPD also participating.

JW won!
BC close second.
CPD...oooppps

Let's not forget the FBI "Cell Phone Expert" who could not navigate the phone at all. Apparently he just missed the race altogether.

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:46 AM
If I am ever at a party in which this guy is also there, I will fling myself to the other side of the room immediately, so I don't end up cornered and have to chew my own foot off to escape the steel trap of his monologues.

I noticed no wedding ring. Nothing derogatory there, just sayin'.

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 10:46 AM
No comments now that he's listing off all of his certifications?

Yes, I have a comment. We have not heard the prosecution question him. Sorry, but I am still not impressed.

JMO

momof7
04-19-2011, 10:46 AM
this guy doesn't even have a website!

http://www.wireghost.com/

Yes, that is what I got as well. He has had this company for 4 years and website is 'under construction'? Wonder why?

Kelly

ncsu95
04-19-2011, 10:47 AM
Plenty of industry certifications including CISSP which is the most widely recognized industry standard security certification.

And he has been published. And he is required to do 120 units of ongoing training every 3 years. So here is all the stuff that qualifies him as an expert.

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:47 AM
No-vell, ROFLMAO. Oh, how novel.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 10:47 AM
You bet (I've just outed myself a bit) -- especially his citing our asset size (yes, it's public info) and some or the internal security info. I was wondering if FCB might have someone in the courtroom... dunno

Now it sounds like he was too big for even Cisco to contain him. Quite the guy. The courtroom is about to burst wide open with egos this morning.

"I'm too wonky for my car too wonky for my car
Too wonky by far
And I'm too wonky for my hat
Too wonky for my hat what do you think about that..."

Now why did this make me start humming '

'you can leave your hat on'..... with a visual of the chippendales. :floorlaugh:

LaLaw2000
04-19-2011, 10:48 AM
No security clearance for Cisco?

Towhee
04-19-2011, 10:48 AM
He needs to stop saying 'oh, that's a tech term.' Makes him sound arrogant.

NCB
04-19-2011, 10:48 AM
hello!:seeya: newby here......but long time lurker........wanted to say thanks so much for the insight and info i always get here........going back to lurk, but had to try it out.........

and also ask.......why is judge gessner's long lost twin brother testifying?:floorlaugh:

I KNEW he looked familiar! ;o)

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:49 AM
Is this the 'expert' to counteract the FBI expert?


Jawohl.

jrb0124
04-19-2011, 10:49 AM
And he has been published. And he is required to do 120 units of ongoing training every 3 years. So here is all the stuff that qualifies him as an expert.

..yep, we've heard enough - let's get this show on the road.

ncsu95
04-19-2011, 10:49 AM
this guy doesn't even have a website!

Maybe his business isn't generated from a website.

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:50 AM
Cute. Boz says: "uhhhhhh, no."

Queen Bee
04-19-2011, 10:51 AM
I noticed no wedding ring. Nothing derogatory there, just sayin'.

"not that there's anything wrong with that"

sorry, seinfeld fanatic:crazy:

cityslick
04-19-2011, 10:51 AM
Guys got certs and is published and still got some that say 'not impressed'. :laughcry:

lib's mom
04-19-2011, 10:51 AM
You bet (I've just outed myself a bit) -- especially his citing our asset size (yes, it's public info) and some or the internal security info. I was wondering if FCB might have someone in the courtroom... dunno

Now it sounds like he was too big for even Cisco to contain him. Quite the guy. The courtroom is about to burst wide open with egos this morning.

"I'm too wonky for my car too wonky for my car
Too wonky by far
And I'm too wonky for my hat
Too wonky for my hat what do you think about that..."

You just worked a Right Said Fred reference into your post?! Awesome! You win!

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:51 AM
"not that there's anything wrong with that"

sorry, seinfeld fanatic:crazy:

LOL - great show!

Danielle59
04-19-2011, 10:52 AM
It appears that Brad is credentialled and more of an 'expert" than this guy. Its too bad he cant testify on this subject for himself, eh?...

This guy sure does have a knowledge base, however wonder why he didnt take the time to get licenced or credentialled??..Maybe too busy

Licensed in what? It seems like he has quite a few credentials which all require continued educational credits, his CCIE being one of them.

less0305
04-19-2011, 10:52 AM
Guys got certs and is published and still got some that say 'not impressed'. lol

I just want to hear what Boz has to say.

kljohnson0458
04-19-2011, 10:52 AM
This guy is beyond arrogant and I belive looks at the State in disgust. I think I'll work through this guy and not listen. Brad had great capabilities in his position so this unable to hack garbage doesn't mean a hill of beans to me. JMO though.

gracielee
04-19-2011, 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by less0305
I noticed no wedding ring. Nothing derogatory there, just sayin'.

"not that there's anything wrong with that"

sorry, seinfeld fanatic



He/She chewed their arm and leg off years ago.

cody100
04-19-2011, 10:53 AM
I noticed no wedding ring. Nothing derogatory there, just sayin'.

He mentioned a mother in law so perhaps he doesn't wear a ring. Of course, he might be available if you are interested.

jrb0124
04-19-2011, 10:53 AM
Maybe his business isn't generated from a website.

For example, our company's business is generated from long-term clients and occassionally bridges to their associates. It is not solicited from the public at large. We don't have nor do we need a website. The B2B market operates a little differently than retail services.

Queen Bee
04-19-2011, 10:53 AM
I just want to hear what Boz has to say.

yep, and thank the lord it's not cummings or we might not get going here until tomorrow:banghead:

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:55 AM
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SleuthinNC
04-19-2011, 10:55 AM
No security clearance for Cisco?

He did not work in a group that requires a security clearance. Do you think everybody at Cisco has a security clearance?

borndem
04-19-2011, 10:56 AM
I heard that too and want to know as well.


:shush:

:censored:

:blushing:

Albert
04-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Finally some certifications he received from Cisco...I feel better now ..

Well, a CCNP is not really top notch nor expert level, it is almost as common as a MCSE.

momof7
04-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Guys got certs and is published and still got some that say 'not impressed'. :laughcry:

But will he, even his computer expertise, be able to say without any reasonable doubt that someone hacked/tampered with Brad's laptop? It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Kelly

jrb0124
04-19-2011, 10:57 AM
I just want to hear what Boz has to say.

Maybe he'll say that if this witness testifies, it will tip off teh pedos.

LyndyLoo
04-19-2011, 10:57 AM
Well, ya better get a cuppa and whatever else you need to do as we'll be back at 11AM to start a one hour voir dire by the state..

I must say, I was getting worried for Mr. Ward, until he stated his certifications..I only hope he has kept up with his hour requirements to maintain them..He has a whole lot of experiences....I'll just wait to hear how he answers the States questions for now..

BTW..whomever stated this guy was a twin brother of Judge G. made me LOL. He sure does, :great: without the glasses of course:great:

ladyofthelake
04-19-2011, 10:58 AM
So when Zell asks him if he ever hacked into the FBI or DOD or HS systems, will he need the 5th?

Palomine
04-19-2011, 10:58 AM
For example, our company's business is generated from long-term clients and occassionally bridges to their associates. It is not solicited from the public at large. We don't have nor do we need a website. The B2B market operates a little differently than retail services.

if it doesn't have a website where people can check out the company it usually doesn't get my attention. most people clients go to check out the company before contacting them

Albert
04-19-2011, 10:58 AM
Expert witness question. The defense has offered that JW is an expert in a broad area as it relates to computers, networks and security. If the prosecution is able to prove that he is not an expert in computers will this nullify JW as an expert? Or, will the scope of his expertise be narrowed to not include computers?

cityslick
04-19-2011, 11:00 AM
But will he, even his computer expertise, be able to say without any reasonable doubt that someone hacked/tampered with Brad's laptop? It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Kelly

Like you say, let's hear him out before we bury him because he talks to much and he doesn't have a wedding ring.

less0305
04-19-2011, 11:01 AM
He mentioned a mother in law so perhaps he doesn't wear a ring. Of course, he might be available if you are interested.

LOL - no way!!! Going through the rest of my life with bleeding ears is not my idea of fun.

I've been married 32 years. My husband has never worn a wedding ring the entire time. I haven't worn one since about 1982 or 1983 - I do have a p,p,f diamond ring that he gave me about five years ago after my youngest daughter said to him, "Dad, we're going to have to get mom a wedding ring before we lose her." Funny, she was 15 or 16 and began noticing that men were "hitting on mom" at the gas station, Wal-mart, etc.

So I don't know why I even noticed on this guy, but I sure was thinking, imagine being married to this dude!!! :loser:

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 11:01 AM
No college degree. Wonder if the FBI would hire someone without a college degree? I'm thinking they might not.

ncsu95
04-19-2011, 11:01 AM
He did not work in a group that requires a security clearance. Do you think everybody at Cisco has a security clearance?

And just to reiterate this, a security clearance has nothing to do with knowledge or if he is an expert. It has to deal with what information you are allowed access to. It's most often needed in dealing with government systems.

Amster
04-19-2011, 11:02 AM
If I am ever at a party in which this guy is also there, I will fling myself to the other side of the room immediately, so I don't end up cornered and have to chew my own foot off to escape the steel trap of his monologues.

:silly:

You certainly have a way with words!

Madeleine74
04-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Brad himself would so look down his nose at this guy. Remember Brad has an MBA and a CCIE, trumping this guy's credentials by an order of magnitude or 2 or 3.