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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
04-21-2011, 12:08 AM
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Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing. Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

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sarx
04-21-2011, 12:16 AM
lol, ok the link that was posted has crashed. We all jumped too quickly!

mrsu
04-21-2011, 12:24 AM
Another girl missing from Fairview.

Police are continuing to search for a missing 16-year-old girl that was last seen on Wednesday afternoon.

Authorities said that Victoria Beasley was last seen around 2:30 p.m. at school.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14487017/fairview-police-search-for-missing-16-year-old

ETA: Just saw another article where she was severely depressed and they are concerned she may harm herself. Not likely related.

MsBrisbee
04-21-2011, 12:25 AM
lol, ok the link that was posted has crashed. We all jumped too quickly!

Sorry, but like I said it's just other people posting the same as us. They are saying names though, which is not right.

christee
04-21-2011, 12:29 AM
Probably old news for most but still interesting...A similiar attack was reported in January by a female from Centerville, TN, about 45 miles East of Parsons, TN.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/04/20/042011-news-holly-bobo-2-2/

Mick
04-21-2011, 12:32 AM
{{Light's Purple candle (http://www.gone-ta-pott.com/candlecolormeanings.html) and White candle for Holly}}

hinman
04-21-2011, 12:33 AM
Probably old news for most but still interesting...A similiar attack was reported in January by a female from Centerville, TN, about 45 miles East of Parsons, TN.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/04/20/042011-news-holly-bobo-2-2/
I think there is a lot of similiarities. and on NG tonight she was on there and said LE had interviewed her again. so at least we know they are looking into it. But would this be considered a random kidnapping. I thought they were leaning more towards someone close to the family,

tfrohning
04-21-2011, 12:37 AM
I think there is a lot of similiarities. and on NG tonight she was on there and said LE had interviewed her again. so at least we know they are looking into it. But would this be considered a random kidnapping. I thought they were leaning more towards someone close to the family,

Hinman who know what happen I so confused..but in my gut I just don't think it family.

I like to see a good picture of the carport...where did brother see her in the back of the house going in the woods:waitasec: so many question and no one giving any answers:banghead:

sarx
04-21-2011, 12:37 AM
45 miles isn't that far. Hope they are cross referencing all "friends" on social networking sites between the two cases.

sarx
04-21-2011, 12:43 AM
What else do we know about Holly? I find it interesting that in a town of roughly 2500 she has 623 friends on FB. Where did she get to know that many people? They largely seem to be younger. How well can you know that amount of people?

ETA=not looking for specifics on the people or her acct. as it is set to private, more just trying to use it for the purpose of figuring out where she would meet so many people.

tfrohning
04-21-2011, 12:48 AM
TBI said that DNA tests on the blood found outside the Bobo home have come back, but they cannot release the results.
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-bobo-vigil,0,3651265.story

they giving nothing out!!!!

crocus
04-21-2011, 12:50 AM
She probably didn't really "know" more than a 1/8 of them.

Friends of friends and so on...........

tfrohning
04-21-2011, 12:50 AM
what kind cable is in the woods?
snip
Four people had to be located with a helicopter, and another woman suffered an abrasion to her neck from a cable.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-bobo-vigil,0,3651265.story

Mick
04-21-2011, 12:59 AM
Have you noticed how some of us in here are getting pretty tired? Imagine if one was on the scene and had been expending physical efforts hiking around and looking here and there.

Tomorrow I will walk upon the earth barefoot, to help my body balance from all the energies that are accumulating from looking into this case.

lillys
04-21-2011, 01:06 AM
What else do we know about Holly? I find it interesting that in a town of roughly 2500 she has 623 friends on FB. Where did she get to know that many people? They largely seem to be younger. How well can you know that amount of people?

ETA=not looking for specifics on the people or her acct. as it is set to private, more just trying to use it for the purpose of figuring out where she would meet so many people.

IF and this is only one possible explanation ;), IF Holly played certain fb games like Mafia Wars, the game players can rack up hundreds of friends.
The amount of people in her town has no direct affect on how many friends she has on fb.

I have fb friends from all over the country. :crazy:

lillys
04-21-2011, 01:11 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-reward-tripled-75000/story?id=13397819


Gov. Bill Haslam approved a $50,000 reward from the state, in addition to a $25,000 reward already offered by Bobo's community.


snip


The person responsible for Holly's disappearance lives in the area," said Mark Gwyn, director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. "Because of the terrain, you have to know where you're going, entrances and exits. We feel the person is in the community

JustMe42
04-21-2011, 01:15 AM
What color did the brother say the abducters hair was? If he only saw the back side of him, he would still be able to see hair or hair color wouldnt he? Even if the guy had on a camo ball cap you could still see his hair. Does the family have a dog? Most country folk that live away from others like that have an outside "guard" dog. Did he bark? If not, I bet the dog was use to the abducter.

cluciano63
04-21-2011, 01:16 AM
If it turns out the other case is connected to Holly's, it may be harder to catch this guy, unless his DNA is on file. He probably would not be known to Holly, as LE first thought he might me.

It sure seems like they might be related; hard to believe there are two early-morning attackers springing on women within 50 miles of each other. I hope they can rule in or out soon.

MsBrisbee
04-21-2011, 01:19 AM
Believe that was hearsay and rumor.There was a scream, but we don't know if he heard it. Whether he was in shower or not is speculation.

SmoothOperator
04-21-2011, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by hinman brought over from Thread #9
Just a thought but maybe the blood testing came back inconclusive.


Originally posted by Sweetskit brought over from Thread #9
or not human at all...remember they are hunters.

Of course anything is possible but IMO I really believe that most likely if the results from the tests that came back today were either inconclusive or not human[which the only way I see it being non-human would be if there was hunting going on with an animal killed/injured within just a few hours of the abduction[and I find that to not be a possibility..jmo]that this info would have been released[it has in every other case I have ever heard of]..there would be no reason to hold info that was completely insignificant therefor irrelevant to the case..but jmo tho!

sarx
04-21-2011, 01:27 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-reward-tripled-75000/story?id=13397819

.


snip

And/or it's somebody that knows the roads, entrances/exits etc because of their line of work.
Utilities-Electric, gas, water
Roads
Fire
Police
EMS
etc.

shefner
04-21-2011, 01:28 AM
I'm curious as to how the neighbor heard a scream loud enough for it to be heard in such a rural area with so much space and woods between the homes. Also, it had to be alarming enough that the neighbor would be compelled to call 911. Had to be a pretty loud scream....I think it would be tough for anyone in the Hobo home to miss it unless they were surrounded by other loud noise like TV, radio, or maybe the shower water.

lillys
04-21-2011, 01:30 AM
What color did the brother say the abducters hair was? If he only saw the back side of him, he would still be able to see hair or hair color wouldnt he? Even if the guy had on a camo ball cap you could still see his hair. Does the family have a dog? Most country folk that live away from others like that have an outside "guard" dog. Did he bark? If not, I bet the dog was use to the abducter.

I wonder about that too JustMe42. One reporter said the brother saw the perp close enough to identify his clothing , etc. Another reporter questioned that and even asked the general question, did the camowearing abductor have a hood on his shirt and was that pulled up?

lillys
04-21-2011, 01:32 AM
And/or it's somebody that knows the roads, entrances/exits etc because of their line of work.
Utilities-Electric, gas, water
Roads
Fire
Police
EMS
etc.

Dang....now that's an excellent thought sarx!
:seeya: btw.

Anyone in those fields would know the ins and outs of that area.

sarx
04-21-2011, 01:34 AM
Likely they still live within a 20-30 mile radius, but they certainly may not live "real" close. KWIM?

lillys
04-21-2011, 01:35 AM
I'm curious as to how the neighbor heard a scream loud enough for it to be heard in such a rural area with so much space and woods between the homes. Also, it had to be alarming enough that the neighbor would be compelled to call 911. Had to be a pretty loud scream....I think it would be tough for anyone in the Hobo home to miss it unless they were surrounded by other loud noise like TV, radio, or maybe the shower water.

shefner,
I used to live in the country many years ago and you brought up another excellent point. My dh and I had at least 3/4 of an acre between us and the nearest neighbor. I never heard anything out of them unless it was them singing Happy Birthday real loud.

Capri
04-21-2011, 01:35 AM
http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/4ndijf.jpg%22%20width=%22150%22%20height=%22150%22 Tonight's meeting from Will Nunley (sp?) Twitpics

http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/4ndijf.jpg

Edited to add:
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley

News Anchor for WBBJ-TV, currently covering the Holly Bobo investigation in Parsons, TN. Providing LIVE updates from the search scene.

lillys
04-21-2011, 01:36 AM
Believe that was hearsay and rumor.There was a scream, but we don't know if he heard it. Whether he was in shower or not is speculation.

Thank you ma'am. I went back to the previous thread and reread the post. There was no link to support it. :innocent:

lillys
04-21-2011, 01:38 AM
http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/4ndijf.jpg" width="150" height="150" Tonight's meeting from Will Nunnelly (sp?) Twitpics

What a great turnout.
That means lots of prayers and positive thoughts going Holly's way.

Capri
04-21-2011, 01:41 AM
What a great turnout.
That means lots of prayers and positive thoughts going Holly's way.

Lots more pics here: http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
Will Nunley
@willnunley Jackson, TN
News Anchor for WBBJ-TV, currently covering the Holly Bobo investigation in Parsons, TN. Providing LIVE updates from the search scene.

Dr.Fessel
04-21-2011, 01:48 AM
What does Darden mean in the title of this thread?

Capri
04-21-2011, 01:50 AM
" Trooper: We need our volunteers to take a day tomorrow, rest, while we regroup, and be strong and ready to return Friday" #hollybobo
9 hours ago willnunley Will Nunley"

"Family to Sheriff: "do whatever it takes to bring her home" #hollybobo
9 hours ago "

JustMe42
04-21-2011, 01:51 AM
What does Darden mean in the title of this thread?

Darden TN...where she lived

cluciano63
04-21-2011, 02:00 AM
Maybe the neighbor was walking or jogging when she heard the scream...

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 02:03 AM
What does Darden mean in the title of this thread?

:slapfight:


for pete's sake fessel. get with the program.

:rolling:

JustMe42
04-21-2011, 02:03 AM
Maybe the neighbor was walking or jogging when she heard the scream...


Thats some smart thinking, Dang, wish i would have thought of that,

Soulmagent
04-21-2011, 02:05 AM
I hope Mrs Sullivan was able to get a good look at her attacker and they have her searching photos.

Do college teachers there teach at more then one campus? Both woman were in school. Or maybe they both go to the same gym ? Is there something that connects her and Holly to a place or event?

JustMe42
04-21-2011, 02:06 AM
Thats some smart thinking, Dang, wish i would have thought of that,

And....IMO the distance from her house to her neighbors on the maps, thats the ONLY way they could have heard a scream.

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 02:06 AM
Maybe the neighbor was walking or jogging when she heard the scream...

I've read the neighbor was going to work - driveway.

Sound can travel far and seem closer/louder in rural areas. You'd be surprised.

Mick
04-21-2011, 02:09 AM
Maybe the neighbor was walking or jogging when she heard the scream...

Taking the trash out, feeding their dogs or other animals, getting some wood, checking her garden, so many things people come outside for in the morning in the country....

JustMe42
04-21-2011, 02:12 AM
Does anyone know what thread or post that map is on?? I was wanting to look at it again.

Capri
04-21-2011, 02:13 AM
Video of tonight's vigil. The electricity went out due to the bad weather, but they kept going, by candlelight. "Family spokesperson" makes a statement in the video too.

http://www.wmctv.com/category/195967/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=5775313

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 02:16 AM
Does anyone know what thread or post that map is on?? I was wanting to look at it again.

Hollye's map is linked to the 1st post in each of Hollye's thread now...

assuming you were looking for that particular map...

Serial_Katcher
04-21-2011, 02:18 AM
Dang....now that's an excellent thought sarx!
:seeya: btw.

Anyone in those fields would know the ins and outs of that area.

or anyone with a map, gps, or internet access...

celltower pings would be a good place to start. wonder if family members tried calling her cell. if a call connected, maybe it could be traced?

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 02:19 AM
If it turns out the other case is connected to Holly's, it may be harder to catch this guy, unless his DNA is on file. He probably would not be known to Holly, as LE first thought he might me.

It sure seems like they might be related; hard to believe there are two early-morning attackers springing on women within 50 miles of each other. I hope they can rule in or out soon.

okay, I missed something while working tonight... maybe someone could explain for this new thread ...

WHAT OTHER ATTACK???? WHAT OTHER CASE?????

:eek:

TIA!

sarx
04-21-2011, 02:25 AM
or anyone with a map, gps, or internet access...

celltower pings would be a good place to start. wonder if family members tried calling her cell. if a call connected, maybe it could be traced?

Yeah, but these are some small gravel back roads, I really think it's someone who knows them.

In regards to the cell pings, if the phone is on it can be traced if in range, doesn't have to be making or receiving calls. So they should have some idea of what route her phone took and when (which also could be very important) by now.

sarx
04-21-2011, 02:26 AM
okay, I missed something while working tonight... maybe someone could explain for this new thread ...

WHAT OTHER ATTACK???? WHAT OTHER CASE?????

:eek:

TIA!

This one back in January.
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/04/20/042011-news-holly-bobo-2-2/

MsFacetious
04-21-2011, 02:35 AM
Anyone else having Morgan Harrington flashbacks?

There was also a previous attack in Virginia, where the victim escaped.... 2 hours away from where Morgan went missing... though I don't think we know if that girl resembled Morgan.

Now in Tennessee H***** in January and Holly in April...


Morgan was found in an area in Virginia that "would only be known to locals."

Holly is in an area that would "only be known to locals."


Morgan was a blonde.

H***** and Holly are both blondes.


Morgan's murder and Holly's disappearance are about 10 hours apart.

I wonder if Morgan's attacker moved after her murder?

October of 2009... he could have been living in Tennessee for over a year. May not be real well integrated or easily missed... but definitely could know the area very well within a year or so... Even enrolled in college and established an acquaintanceship with a few girls... or guys... or both...

Very odd...

The January attack in Tennessee:

This is Levi, who as far as I understand is an approved source here...

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction

It was also discussed on Nancy tonight:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html

shefner
04-21-2011, 02:41 AM
Maybe the neighbor was walking or jogging when she heard the scream...

Could have been, I suppose....wonder if the 911 call was made from a cell phone or the home phone? Also, If the neighbor was out walking, then it would seem more likely that she might have also seen something. I'm sure the neighbor has been thoroughly interviewed. Too bad we don't have more info.

Burnin Daylight
04-21-2011, 02:42 AM
I'm really leaning toward a car used in this abduction ...It's my opinion that LE really has a hot trail...I think LE has tire impression evidence...IMO also that maybe she wasn't taken through the woods...the brother stated led toward the woods...maybe they walked the woods back to the driveway..or circled back across the yard....back out to the road...In the maps I have seen there looks to be a dirt pull out or open area to the road just on the other side of that pond ..I feel this happened quickly...and she was restrained...gave her abductor a hard time....she may have thrown her bag...also if the car was parked on the other side of that pond it may have been closer to the neighbors house...she may have screamed while being forced into the car...my opinions! ...I hope they nail this freak. Prayers from San Diego tonight...

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 02:42 AM
The only reason that this doesn't stike me as similar to Morgan's case (although it did cross my mind), is that Morgan was attacked in public, indicating an attacker that didn't personally know her. HS and Holly were both attacked at home, indicating a suspect that did know them, at least in passing.
However, that is not to say that Morgan's attacker wasn't scared by the publicity of Morgan's case, and therefore moved back to his comfort zone of females he knew. I just don't think so, but I could be wrong.

LadyD'enah
04-21-2011, 02:47 AM
Wrong thread :D

Serial_Katcher
04-21-2011, 02:47 AM
Yeah, but these are some small gravel back roads, I really think it's someone who knows them.

In regards to the cell pings, if the phone is on it can be traced if in range, doesn't have to be making or receiving calls. So they should have some idea of what route her phone took and when (which also could be very important) by now.

true. he could be familiar with the area, or he could just stalk enough to get familiar with it. for some reason i think this guy finds his victim(s) at colleges, follows them home (perhaps more than once), then shows up very early in the morning to stake out and snatch his prey.

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 02:55 AM
I wonder if Holly often locked her car, or if being a rural area, she didn't even bother...as in could he have been in her car laying in wait over night? Extreme long shot, I know. Has her car been taken for processing or was it processed at the scene? I hope it was processed, but I can't see the LE in this case dropping the ball badly enough as to not have processed it.

Serial_Katcher
04-21-2011, 02:57 AM
just thought about cameras at intersections. wonder if LE has looked into that.

Irish_Eyes
04-21-2011, 03:02 AM
I've got to think the earlier attempt and this case are related. Young pretty girls grabbed in their driveways on rural roads in early morning. That's a very specific typology. If we were talking about Chicago with a zillion people running around I would still say that. But these towns are relatively close together and we're talking overall a much smaller population. Given the rural area, what are the chances of TWO nuts operating exactly the same way at the same time?

I've read that generally, when there is a spate of crimes attributed to one person, they tend to start closer to where the offender lives/works, etc. and move farther out as he gets more comfortable. Not an absolute, but it tends to go that way. Perhaps this person lives somewhere between the two locations or closer to the first location. It could be that he grew up in one of the towns and now lives in the other or vice versa.

If that's the case, this person probably had a change in behavior in January, maybe missing work or acting stressed, etc. after the botched attempt too.

Irish_Eyes
04-21-2011, 03:37 AM
This is what happens when I can't sleep.....just thinking out loud again....
Holly reminds me so much of my college roomate....not just because they look so much alike....guys used to knock on our door all the time just trying to meet my roomate, and not just because she was gorgeous, but she was a nice small-town girl and, like Holly, she was also a talented singer. Also, Holly's choice of nursing school means she is probably a smart girl and also compassionate. She's not just a pretty girl, to a lot of guys, she would probably be the "perfect" girl - the whole package. So what does it say about this guy that he would choose her? Is he himself a pretty high-functioning person and this is the type of girl he thinks he "deserves" but can't keep? My guess is he's probably going to be a reasonably attractive, reasonably intelligent guy from a middle-class upbringing...I'm guessing it's not the type who can't get a date, but the type who can't get a relationship because after a date or two, girls just sense something "off" about him...I just keep thinking about Ted Bundy who was smart and pretty normal looking and some even described as "charming," but inside there was another side to him he kept hidden.....Bundy's victims were mostly pretty girls who had a lot going for them...in contrast to Gary Ridgeway, BTK, etc. Does this make sense?

MsFacetious
04-21-2011, 03:38 AM
I agree, but the last sighting of Morgan was her hitchhiking.

If he sees a girl that is exactly his type, that he hasn't stalked and planned... but who is vulnerable and hitchhiking... is he going to turn that down? Victim of opportunity...

What do we know about the attack before Morgan? Was there any planning to that? Maybe he started with victims of opportunity... developed a taste for it and started stalking and planning crimes?

I don't know if they are connected. I just know that the similarities in the women are a little odd.


The only reason that this doesn't stike me as similar to Morgan's case (although it did cross my mind), is that Morgan was attacked in public, indicating an attacker that didn't personally know her. HS and Holly were both attacked at home, indicating a suspect that did know them, at least in passing.
However, that is not to say that Morgan's attacker wasn't scared by the publicity of Morgan's case, and therefore moved back to his comfort zone of females he knew. I just don't think so, but I could be wrong.

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 03:38 AM
The brother to the best of our knowledge did not actually use the word grabbed, that was a misstatement on the part of LE, later corrected by LE.
Sounds of a struggle might not have been heard in the house, and I have had a lot of wounds that have caused me to be literally dripping blood, not all have made me cry out. As for the lunch box, I see nothing odd, she was going to school she'd be there a while, she packed a lunch.
The AA does strike me as odd, but we just don't know why it was issued in this case.

We are not other boards, the brother has not been named as a suspect, and therefore, we cannot discuss him as such, therefore I did not quote your post, as it will likely be removed or edited.

MLE
04-21-2011, 03:51 AM
I doubt the perp in this case is the same one who murdered Morgan Harrington, because Harrington's killer was a black guy. Based on photos of Holly Bobo with her boyfriend, a white guy, if her brother thought the perp was her boyfriend, then he's probably white.

I've been trying to use Google to come up with a description of the guy who attempted to abduct Sullivan, but I can't find anything. Did the police or anyone actually care? Did they actually think it would be his final attempt?

It reminds me of how police in North Carolina didn't arrest a guy who climbed up to my sister's third floor balcony and broke into her apartment around midnight one night. I only wonder how many women that guy has raped and/or murdered since getting away with blatantly breaking in like that.

Law enforcement needs to be proactive instead of waiting and then reacting only after someone is dead or missing.

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 03:54 AM
The brother to the best of our knowledge did not actually use the word grabbed, that was a misstatement on the part of LE, later corrected by LE.
Sounds of a struggle might not have been heard in the house, and I have had a lot of wounds that have caused me to be literally dripping blood, not all have made me cry out. As for the lunch box, I see nothing odd, she was going to school she'd be there a while, she packed a lunch.
The AA does strike me as odd, but we just don't know why it was issued in this case.

We are not other boards, the brother has not been named as a suspect, and therefore, we cannot discuss him as such, therefore I did not quote your post, as it will likely be removed or edited.

It has crossed my mind that the Amber Alert was issued because someone - who fit the profile - who investigators and family agree knew Holly and may have some motive to abduct her - has actually gone missing from the area.

They are looking for a car...by recent reports...

Do they have someone in mind? If so, the AA makes sense...

They may have felt that the AA was warranted b/c a potential suspect was missing - and they did not want to miss the AA exposure if they believed he may have taken Holly out of state....

:cow:

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 03:56 AM
I doubt the perp in this case is the same one who murdered Morgan Harrington, because Harrington's killer was a black guy. Based on photos of Holly Bobo with her boyfriend, a white guy, if her brother thought the perp was her boyfriend, then he's probably white.

I've been trying to use Google to come up with a description of the guy who attempted to abduct Sullivan, but I can't find anything. Did the police or anyone actually care? Did they actually think it would be his final attempt?

It reminds me of how police in North Carolina didn't arrest a guy who climbed up to my sister's third floor balcony and broke into her apartment around midnight one night. I only wonder how many women that guy has raped and/or murdered since getting away with blatantly breaking in like that.

Law enforcement needs to be proactive instead of waiting and then reacting only after someone is dead or missing.

Although they did not show the interview with HS (other victim from Centerville) NG tonight did have a recap and she said it was a white male. I can't remember if they gave a description of HS's atatcker, but the description that flashed on the screen tonight was White male, 5'10-6'0, 180-200lbs, I believe.

Irish_Eyes
04-21-2011, 04:04 AM
If the brother wears contacts that would make a lot of sense to me. I could see how he could be in the shower and not hear a startled scream. I could see how he could get out of the shower and not have his contacts in yet, and see through a window enough to know it was holly and a guy in camo and not more detail and just assume it was the boyfriend and keep going about his business....put in his contacts, get dressed, brush his teeth, grab his wallet, etc. and then he walks out the door and sees blood, sees her car is still there and puts it together....it's just not that implausable to me.

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 04:05 AM
I doubt the perp in this case is the same one who murdered Morgan Harrington, because Harrington's killer was a black guy. Based on photos of Holly Bobo with her boyfriend, a white guy, if her brother thought the perp was her boyfriend, then he's probably white.

I've been trying to use Google to come up with a description of the guy who attempted to abduct Sullivan, but I can't find anything. Did the police or anyone actually care? Did they actually think it would be his final attempt?

It reminds me of how police in North Carolina didn't arrest a guy who climbed up to my sister's third floor balcony and broke into her apartment around midnight one night. I only wonder how many women that guy has raped and/or murdered since getting away with blatantly breaking in like that.

Law enforcement needs to be proactive instead of waiting and then reacting only after someone is dead or missing.


BBM
I did not know we knew the race of Morgan's killer. Is there a profile for Morgan's killer? Do you have a link? I went and looked but this is all I found... and article that suggests a link to another crime. But the article does not explain the forensic link between the cases... TIA!

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/07/morgan_harrington_murder_foren.php

cluciano63
04-21-2011, 04:07 AM
If they are looking for a certain person, they need the public's help...no point in calling it an Amber Alert if there is no info to go along with it. I really don't think they have a suspect.

cluciano63
04-21-2011, 04:08 AM
BBM
I did not know we knew the race of Morgan's killer. Is there a profile for Morgan's killer? Do you have a link? I went and looked but this is all I found... and article that suggests a link to another crime. But the article does not explain the forensic link between the cases... TIA!

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/07/morgan_harrington_murder_foren.php

There is a composite drawing somewhere, of a dark-skinned man. They may know his race from the DNA if they did one of those genetic profiles. Not sure if they said AA specifically.

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 04:20 AM
She was last seen wearing a pink t-shirt, blue jeans, and tennis shoes.
http://midsouthnewz.com/news/midsouth-regional-news/massive-vigil-held-for-holly-bobo-in-decatur-county.html
I must be going insane from lack of sleep. I swear I remember an initial description of either flip-flops or sandals, but then I think back to the only few weeks of actal medical training I've had, (5 weeks physicians assistant training), and I know that we ALWAYS had to wear our sparkling white "nurse shoes", so it must have been tennies. Am I going nuts or was there a report that said flip flops?

ETA: Guess not, cuz everything I see now says sneakers or tennis shoes...It's official, I'm crazy.

MagnoliaMom
04-21-2011, 04:31 AM
IMO this isn't this guys first rodeo in the woods. He has graduated from hunting the perfect deer to hunting the perfect girl. This is a scary thought. At first I thought it was someone she knew but now I am not so sure. I am praying he slipped up or slips up and that someone remembers something they saw over the last several weeks. He has to have stopped for gas, a drink, or some vienna sausages while planning this out.

On NG there was something about footprints by the tree stand. I think he has been there numerous mornings watching and waiting. Someone has seen him and they just aren't connecting it. Hunting gear isn't cheap. So he either works or his parents are still supplying him with things. So many people in the area could fit the bill.

The thing that keeps coming to my mind is that the times I have gone with my husband hunting, we always stop at some convenience or country store for something either before, during or after. I hope they question all the store operators all around the area. And sporting goods store operators - question them too. He could shop online. Can they ask the fed ex, ups, usps about packages from sporting goods stores?

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 04:36 AM
There is a composite drawing somewhere, of a dark-skinned man. They may know his race from the DNA if they did one of those genetic profiles. Not sure if they said AA specifically.

I found a composite on Morgan's thread. It looks more to be a theory than a forensic link, however...

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 04:39 AM
If they are looking for a certain person, they need the public's help...no point in calling it an Amber Alert if there is no info to go along with it. I really don't think they have a suspect.

Clu, I also don't like all the broad angles they seem to be trying to cover.

I mean, I like that they are covering them ... but to me the broad approach could mean what you've indicated...that LE has not narrowed the suspects as much as we'd like...

Perhaps on Friday after the "regrouping" things will feel more focused...

MagnoliaMom
04-21-2011, 04:44 AM
BBM. The point is, it's not normal to go for a walk in the woods with your lunch bag and purse and cell when you have to get to school for an exam.

Holly was packed for the day. It's obvious she was forced to walk to the woods. It's actually not difficult to imagine that she was forced to walk with the gear she left her home with...packed for her day, lunch included.

Respectfully, it's unlikely that this was an impromputu 7:30 am stroll in the woods. It's never been characterized as such by investigators. Rather, LE has repeatedly stated that they believe Holly walked under duress and by force.

If you read here a bit more, you will learn from people who live in the area that this time of the year, there's as many gentleman roaming the woods in camouflage at 7 AM then there are driving the highways.

It's turkey season.

I didn't realize what that meant at first. I do now thanks to the local input here.

Your self-assessment - "I guess I'm very ignorant of the mores in certain parts of the country" - could be accurate. But that sort of ignorance is really inexperience - and an ignorance one can conquer, if indeed, one is open minded enough to learn. :cow:

You bring up a good point here. If the perp struck or injured Holly under the carport drawing blood, seems she would have dropped her items right there. This makes me think the blood might not have been hers if she did not drop a single item in that area. But it also seems you would drop items if someone snuck up and scared you....

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 04:49 AM
You bring up a good point here. If the perp struck or injured Holly under the carport drawing blood, seems she would have dropped her items right there. This makes me think the blood might not have been hers if she did not drop a single item in that area. But it also seems you would drop items if someone snuck up and scared you....

Dumb question. What if she did drop them, and the perp grabbed them and handed them back, hoping to buy more time before the initial report. For instance, if he didn't know the brother was there, he might have feared one of the parents coming home for lunch, and thinking that they might otherwise assume her car was dead and she hitched a ride with a friend, he wanted the immediate evidence picked up. Or she might have been on autopilot, just walking, doing as she was told.

Or, theory I've been kicking around, especially if there were flecks of blood...maybe she used her nails to cut herself, so that there would be a trail of which way they went and she used the lunch pail to cover the wound so he wouldn't catch on.

Emma Peel
04-21-2011, 04:51 AM
You bring up a good point here. If the perp struck or injured Holly under the carport drawing blood, seems she would have dropped her items right there. This makes me think the blood might not have been hers if she did not drop a single item in that area. But it also seems you would drop items if someone snuck up and scared you....

IMO she was walking to the car - ready for school - when accosted. He then forced her to go with him - with all of her stuff.

Guessing there was a struggle where someone was cut slightly and bled in the area where she was accosted. Not enough of an injury to make her drop her bag.

IMO Holly was in shock and just did what she was told - was not even aware she was still carrying the bag slung over her shoulder...

JMHO

Purps
04-21-2011, 05:36 AM
Just a thought from another view, If I was going to obduct someone who had car keys in her hand, I would take her car, not go on foot so I think he either intended local harm (in the woods) or had a vehicle close by.

MLE
04-21-2011, 05:43 AM
Surely there aren't two different guys who would try to kidnap women in their parking lots with relatives home. It almost has to be the same goofball running around doing these.

shefner
04-21-2011, 05:44 AM
BBM. The point is, it's not normal to go for a walk in the woods with your lunch bag and purse and cell when you have to get to school for an exam.

Holly was packed for the day. It's obvious she was forced to walk to the woods. It's actually not difficult to imagine that she was forced to walk with the gear she left her home with...packed for her day, lunch included.

Respectfully, it's unlikely that this was an impromputu 7:30 am stroll in the woods. It's never been characterized as such by investigators. Rather, LE has repeatedly stated that they believe Holly walked under duress and by force.

If you read here a bit more, you will learn from people who live in the area that this time of the year, there's as many gentleman roaming the woods in camouflage at 7 AM then there are driving the highways.

It's turkey season.

I didn't realize what that meant at first. I do now thanks to the local input here.

Your self-assessment - "I guess I'm very ignorant of the mores in certain parts of the country" - could be accurate. But that sort of ignorance is really inexperience - and an ignorance one can conquer, if indeed, one is open minded enough to learn. :cow:


If it's "not normal" (which I agree with), then the person that sees her in that state should be alarmed and not dismissive.

MsFacetious
04-21-2011, 05:47 AM
I found a composite on Morgan's thread. It looks more to be a theory than a forensic link, however...

DNA - the composite is from the first rape victim... who's case is connected to Morgan through DNA.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dna-links-abduction-morgan-harrington/story?id=12080850

shefner
04-21-2011, 05:54 AM
I wonder when Holly screamed. If it was someone she knew who was standing in her carport then she may have been caught off guard, but not enough to scream so loud that a rural neighbor could hear. Was it when the bleeding occurred? If so, would the lunch bag and any other items, like books, not be dropped at the time of the scream...just out of self defense and reflex? I wonder if there was blood on the lunch bag. It would seems likely if either Holly or the abductor bled enough for the brother to notice it in the carport and grass area. I'm sure the lunch bag is being tested. Does the blood in the carport and grass area match any findings on the lunch bag?

angelwngs
04-21-2011, 05:56 AM
You bring up a good point here. If the perp struck or injured Holly under the carport drawing blood, seems she would have dropped her items right there. This makes me think the blood might not have been hers if she did not drop a single item in that area. But it also seems you would drop items if someone snuck up and scared you....

If items were indeed 'dropped' in an attack...it's possible the 'attacker' forced her to retrieve items or picked them up himself to avoid leaving behind unnecessary scattered evidence...

Purps
04-21-2011, 06:48 AM
When I walk out to my car I have the keys in my hand, could she of stabed him with a key as he went to attack?

Trino
04-21-2011, 07:49 AM
This case has not only been plagued with misinformation but has been filled with no information - can't recall a case so tight-lipped. Every community forum I've read re: connection to the case seems to insinuate, "I know something, but if I told you, I'd have to kill you." WTF?

What's been found besides the lunchbox? What should searchers be looking for? A cell phone? A tennis shoe? Papers? A purse? Is there new info re: vehicle? If the search has been called off for today, IMO there's a reason for it, and it's not tired searchers. Can't Holly's cell be tracked?

IMO the perp does not necessarily have to be a community member. What if the abductor specked out the woods and a travel direction before taking Holly? An avid woodsman focusing on Holly over even a few weeks could have done this w/o raising an alarm, since there are many hunters in the woods.

I note the seller from Parsons took his ATV tires off Craigslist, although the last I saw the Jackson seller was still there. Guess the Parsons seller wasn't involved but maybe was a bit overwhelmed by the attention - bad timing.

evelyn24
04-21-2011, 08:05 AM
I wonder when Holly screamed. If it was someone she knew who was standing in her carport then she may have been caught off guard, but not enough to scream so loud that a rural neighbor could hear. Was it when the bleeding occurred? If so, would the lunch bag and any other items, like books, not be dropped at the time of the scream...just out of self defense and reflex? I wonder if there was blood on the lunch bag. It would seems likely if either Holly or the abductor bled enough for the brother to notice it in the carport and grass area. I'm sure the lunch bag is being tested. Does the blood in the carport and grass area match any findings on the lunch bag?At this point I wonder if that report is even true, or if it was Holly.
If Holly was going to scream I think like Heather Sullivan it would have been when she was initially grabbed in her own back yard.
That would make it impossible for a neighbor to hear her though. If she screamed she did it closer to a neighbors home.

Oosh, we don't have any officially confirmed facts to dissect, do we?

legallee
04-21-2011, 08:25 AM
I don't think it was Holly's blood. And I think that perhaps the reason she still had her items in hand because whomever led her out into those woods, told her she needed to come with him, his friend was "hurt", an animal was injured, anything of that sort I think Holly would have helped. I think perhaps the abductor had blood on him when he approached Holly. This would have made his story more believable that someone or something was hurt and he needed her help.

And if a neighbor heard a scream, I think it's at that point that Holly realized she was being abducted and his story was untrue about whatever he told her to get her to walk with him.

dr dona
04-21-2011, 08:27 AM
They got the DNA results yesterday. What if the blood isn't Holly's. Doesn't it take some time to run it thru CODIS????

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 08:28 AM
At this point I wonder if that report is even true, or if it was Holly.
If Holly was going to scream I think like Heather Sullivan it would have been when she was initially grabbed in her own back yard.
That would make it impossible for a neighbor to hear her though. If she screamed she did it closer to a neighbors home.

Oosh, we don't have any officially confirmed facts to dissect, do we?

LE did confirm the scream...I'll have to link hunt for a minute, but I'll find it. Maybe she waited until she was closer to wherever in the house she figured her brother would be before screaming, like if she thought he would be near the rear facing windows, she waited until she got closer to the back of the house. I don't know, some people panic immediately, and some go into survival mode, where the thinking and planning actually gets better and clearer. We don't know which one Holly was, but she was training to keep a cool head during medical emergencies, hopefully some of the emergency prep carried over into her everyday life and this one out of the ordinary experience.

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 08:31 AM
When asked who saw Holly being abducted Sheriff Wyatt said, “It was a neighbor that lives just up the road there from the house. She didn’t see it but heard the screams of the young lady as she was leaving the house.”

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Holly Bobo Abduction: Week-in-review - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-week-review#ixzz1KAjHjmGG

Isabelle is reportedly a verified Examiner poster, as in Tricia allows her posts to be taken as news, so I'll use this one.
ETA: If anyone happens to have a link for the interview that this came from, so I can transcribe, I would be eternally grateful.

concentric
04-21-2011, 08:47 AM
Hi guys. Haven't been able to get back on here for awhile. So please forgive me if this has been covered in any detail and I missed the posts. Just adding to our knowledge about how predators operate and how the women survived.

Several days ago, Deborah Norville, on NG brought up the "mountain man" abductor angle again. One or more of the posters here in the threads brought up the Kari Swenson case. I just found a more expanded article about that case: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1119246/3/index.htm
and about the abductor being denied parole: http://www.islandparknews.com/atf.php?sid=2172

Here's another one that I didn't know about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Ann_Bradnick

It happened a long time ago in PA. And the bizarre thing is that Peggy Ann Bradnick, the woman who was kidnapped in this case, is scheduled to speak today:

http://www.echo-pilot.com/features/x250639170/Peggy-Ann-Bradnick-to-talk-about-life-after-kidnapping

little lulu
04-21-2011, 08:56 AM
I don't think it was Holly's blood. And I think that perhaps the reason she still had her items in hand because whomever led her out into those woods, told her she needed to come with him, his friend was "hurt", an animal was injured, anything of that sort I think Holly would have helped. I think perhaps the abductor had blood on him when he approached Holly. This would have made his story more believable that someone or something was hurt and he needed her help.

And if a neighbor heard a scream, I think it's at that point that Holly realized she was being abducted and his story was untrue about whatever he told her to get her to walk with him.

That's what I've thought all along, someone acting like they were needing help, maybe the perp was bleeding and asks her for help. He could have cut himself to say, hey....there was a hunting accident in the woods..my friend is hurt bad too, help...then led her away.

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 08:56 AM
If items were indeed 'dropped' in an attack...it's possible the 'attacker' forced her to retrieve items or picked them up himself to avoid leaving behind unnecessary scattered evidence...

It would be useful to know how she carried her stuff and what she normally carried. She may not have had a ton of books, especially if she were going to class for a test that day. And her items could have been in a back pack that would be easier for someone to grab and carry off with Holly. Perhaps the suspect had her back pack in one hand and her in the other? Who knows. I don't think she would just carry loose stacks of papers, books, etc.

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 08:59 AM
That's what I've thought all along, someone acting like they were needing help, maybe the perp was bleeding and asks her for help. He could have cut himself to say, hey....there was a hunting accident in the woods..my friend is hurt bad, help...then led her away.

My thoughts about the scream is that she did not scream at her house but at some point in the woods closer to the neighbor. Myself I still dont believe the "hurt friend" story. Its actually unnecessary and LE has said they think she was in fear for her life as she was being lead into the woods, implying she knew something was wrong at that point. For the "hurt friend" story to even work I would think the suspect would have had to have been frantic and loud... HEY MAN MY FRIENDS HURT WE GOTTA GET OUT THERE FAST HURRY HURRY COME ON. And that would have attracted attention from anyone else in Holly's house or even just driving down the road.

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 09:00 AM
Oh and good morning, rise n shine y'all. I pray for any news today. Anything!

mysticrose
04-21-2011, 09:07 AM
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/coffeebath.gif

Good Morning peeps !

Prayers for Holly today, Im off to work, hope you all have a wonderfull day....

not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 09:12 AM
My thoughts about the scream is that she did not scream at her house but at some point in the woods closer to the neighbor. Myself I still dont believe the "hurt friend" story. Its actually unnecessary and LE has said they think she was in fear for her life as she was being lead into the woods, implying she knew something was wrong at that point. For the "hurt friend" story to even work I would think the suspect would have had to have been frantic and loud... HEY MAN MY FRIENDS HURT WE GOTTA GET OUT THERE FAST HURRY HURRY COME ON. And that would have attracted attention from anyone else in Holly's house or even just driving down the road.

Unless he pretended that he too was hurt, and possibly winded from running, as well.

SDT
04-21-2011, 09:12 AM
Okay, I am new here and trying to play catch up.

The attack in January and the attack on Holly seem hauntingly connected. Do we know what school the woman in January attended? I am leaning towards maybe someone that worked or is associated with the school. Of course, I have a LOT of catching up to do at this point and will try not to post any observations that are too ludicrous.

susan1215
04-21-2011, 09:15 AM
Last night on NG they showed where her lunchbox was found by a creek and talked about why she would be still holding on to the lunch box after she was abducted. Was it put there purposely? I pray she is still being held by someone and is still alive.

DNeecie
04-21-2011, 09:20 AM
Here is the Today show video with Heather Sullivan.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/42698898#42698898

SDT
04-21-2011, 09:21 AM
Was it ever confirmed there was blood on the lunchbox? I am more inclined to think the perp threw it out of a window in the opposite direction of where Holly/her body may be hidden. Of course, I am hopeful she will be found alive, but it isn't looking good the longer she is missing.

Patience
04-21-2011, 09:27 AM
Has this previous attack been discussed and could it be related?

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction


Heather Sullivan, a 31-year-old TN woman claims that she was attacked in January and thinks it is possible that the man that abducted missing nursing student Holly Bobo, also attempted to abduct her outside of her home, located in Centerville, TN.
Centerville, TN where Sullivan lives and claims she was attacked is approximately 45 mins east of Parson's


Continue reading on Examiner.com: Previous attack linked to Holly Bobo abduction? - Nashville Crime | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction#ixzz1KAE1xdQU) http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction#ixzz1KAE1xdQU

tfrohning
04-21-2011, 09:27 AM
The only reason that this doesn't stike me as similar to Morgan's case (although it did cross my mind), is that Morgan was attacked in public, indicating an attacker that didn't personally know her. HS and Holly were both attacked at home, indicating a suspect that did know them, at least in passing.
However, that is not to say that Morgan's attacker wasn't scared by the publicity of Morgan's case, and therefore moved back to his comfort zone of females he knew. I just don't think so, but I could be wrong.

I don't think it Morgan attacker. I think they have DNA that match another woman that was attack and she gave a sketch. He AA and the descripton of Holly attacker is White.

Another poster posted

Three missing girls that lived in counties around Decatur.

Amber Cates missing since 2004 from Maury county date April 11.
Tabita Tuder missing since 2003 from Davison county date April 29
Bethany Leanne Markowski missing since 2001 from Madison county date March 4

hinman
04-21-2011, 09:28 AM
They got the DNA results yesterday. What if the blood isn't Holly's. Doesn't it take some time to run it thru CODIS????
I think maybe them results were inconclusive and they don't know whose blood it is.

Patience
04-21-2011, 09:30 AM
ok I see the previous attack is being discussed, sorry about that.

Holly, where are you?

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 09:30 AM
Was it ever confirmed there was blood on the lunchbox? I am more inclined to think the perp threw it out of a window in the opposite direction of where Holly/her body may be hidden. Of course, I am hopeful she will be found alive, but it isn't looking good the longer she is missing.

No aparently there was not blood on the lunch bag. Reporting on this case has been real sloppy and details get mixed and muddled together.

The only evidence that has been reported and verified to date:

Small amounts of blood found in the car port. Lab results are back but have not been made available to anyone

Lunch bag found by a road, by a creek some 8 miles away. It is said to have looked as if it was thrown from a car, and had her lunch inside

There seems to also have been a piece of duct tape with blonde hair found somewhere and while it has been shown on video (so we know its real) not much has been said about it or if the hair is Hollys or not

As of last nite on the Nancy Grace show "flecks" of blood across the front yard were mentioned but this detail does not appear in any other official reports or descriptions and may just be more sloppy wording or reporting.

And, aparently it is known where Holly actually went into the woods and perhaps where she/they left the woods (?) based on a LE statement about them knowing entry and exit points.

hinman
04-21-2011, 09:32 AM
Transcripts from NG last night
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html

MLE
04-21-2011, 09:33 AM
As unpleasant as it is to think about, the scream could've been the result of the perp sexually assaulting the victim or assaulting her with his fists or a weapon. Something bad wrong must've been going on at that point, and the individual who heard her must've thought it truly sounded like someone in immediate danger, hence the call to 911.

I don't think she would've gone into the woods willingly without at least letting her brother or whoever else was in the house know about it. If it is indeed the same perp from the Centerville attempted kidnapping, we already have a general idea of his m.o.

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 09:33 AM
I think maybe them results were inconclusive and they don't know whose blood it is.

For some reason i think they do know. This being the reason they told the searchers to stay home today. I think they are taking out the blood hounds and maybe something will happen today..They dont want anyone out in the woods today....Maybe they know something! JMO

shefner
04-21-2011, 09:34 AM
I don't really believe the "hurt friend in the woods" story, although it might seem plausible initially. I think a nursing student would instinctively think to call 911 before walking into the woods to check on someone injured.

I just think its amazing that Holly has not been found yet, considering how quickly LE responded (in the whole scope of things). With as much ground as all of these volunteers have covered, its encouraging that they haven't found a body. I just don't know what to think but I'm getting despondent.

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 09:34 AM
family "spokesman" live on Fox news giving an interview with Alisyn Camerota...

has not talked with anyone about the findings (blood results) "I dont know anything about that at this time"

I know I would be asking??? Is this guy not curious? Just a little bit?

tfrohning
04-21-2011, 09:34 AM
BBM
I did not know we knew the race of Morgan's killer. Is there a profile for Morgan's killer? Do you have a link? I went and looked but this is all I found... and article that suggests a link to another crime. But the article does not explain the forensic link between the cases... TIA!

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/07/morgan_harrington_murder_foren.php

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/cold-cases/police-link-morgan-harrington.html

snip
State police said there is a forensic link between the two cases. Sources said the cases are linked by a DNA match. Both are unsolved.

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 09:35 AM
As unpleasant as it is to think about, the scream could've been the result of the perp sexually assaulting the victim or assaulting her with his fists or a weapon. Something bad wrong must've been going on at that point, and the individual who heard her must've thought it truly sounded like someone in immediate danger, hence the call to 911.

I don't think she would've gone into the woods willingly without at least letting her brother or whoever else was in the house know about it. If it is indeed the same perp from the Centerville attempted kidnapping, we already have a general idea of his m.o.

Exactly,,, And ill bet they find her close to home! JMO

hinman
04-21-2011, 09:36 AM
As unpleasant as it is to think about, the scream could've been the result of the perp sexually assaulting the victim or assaulting her with his fists or a weapon. Something bad wrong must've been going on at that point, and the individual who heard her must've thought it truly sounded like someone in immediate danger, hence the call to 911.

I don't think she would've gone into the woods willingly without at least letting her brother or whoever else was in the house know about it. If it is indeed the same perp from the Centerville attempted kidnapping, we already have a general idea of his m.o.
Has it been confirmed that a scream was heard?? I just can't remember if that was confirmed. There was confusion on who actually called 911 and I don't know if that ever got cleared up.

shefner
04-21-2011, 09:40 AM
Has it been confirmed that a scream was heard?? I just can't remember if that was confirmed. There was confusion on who actually called 911 and I don't know if that ever got cleared up.

See Post 92 in this thread. Not_My_Kids quoted authorities and cleared this up for us.

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 09:40 AM
I don't really believe the "hurt friend in the woods" story, although it might seem plausible initially. I think a nursing student would instinctively think to call 911 before walking into the woods to check on someone injured.

I just think its amazing that Holly has not been found yet, considering how quickly LE responded (in the whole scope of things). With as much ground as all of these volunteers have covered, its encouraging that they haven't found a body. I just don't know what to think but I'm getting despondent.

I hate to say this but searchers wont find her.
I think the guy buried her and i think she is real near her home!
They need to go back out there and check every inch.
If the neighbor heard her scream they must have been walking south towards her. Cause bro didnt hear a scream AFAIK JMO

They need SAR dogs!!!!!

Nandee63
04-21-2011, 09:41 AM
Exactly,,, And ill bet they find her close to home! JMO

Yes. Hop on over to the forensic astrology thread. Our great astros say probably within 3 miles. Their accuracy is about 99.9% correct.

hinman
04-21-2011, 09:41 AM
No aparently there was not blood on the lunch bag. Reporting on this case has been real sloppy and details get mixed and muddled together.

The only evidence that has been reported and verified to date:

Small amounts of blood found in the car port. Lab results are back but have not been made available to anyone

Lunch bag found by a road, by a creek some 8 miles away. It is said to have looked as if it was thrown from a car, and had her lunch inside

There seems to also have been a piece of duct tape with blonde hair found somewhere and while it has been shown on video (so we know its real) not much has been said about it or if the hair is Hollys or not

As of last nite on the Nancy Grace show "flecks" of blood across the front yard were mentioned but this detail does not appear in any other official reports or descriptions and may just be more sloppy wording or reporting.

And, aparently it is known where Holly actually went into the woods and perhaps where she/they left the woods (?) based on a LE statement about them knowing entry and exit points.Also on NG last night they reported there was a bundle of school papers found. Not confirmed if they were hers though.
For example, we heard reportedly that there was a bundle of papers, perhaps school papers, wet school papers found inside the wooded area, the search area. Now, we don`t know if these are actually belonging to Holly Bobo. We also, of course, know about the blood. Today, new news, reports
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html

hinman
04-21-2011, 09:42 AM
See Post 92 in this thread. Not_My_Kids quoted authorities and cleared this up for us.
Thank you.

shefner
04-21-2011, 09:43 AM
Anyone care to link the astrology thread?

amysmom
04-21-2011, 09:45 AM
That's what I've thought all along, someone acting like they were needing help, maybe the perp was bleeding and asks her for help. He could have cut himself to say, hey....there was a hunting accident in the woods..my friend is hurt bad too, help...then led her away.

Then wouldn't we have to assume? he knew she was a NURSE=local or someone that knows her from school not necessarily another student..If he used this scenario I would assume her advise would be to call 911 vs going to help with no emer medical kit..OTH! She may have suggested that but the perp's response would've been to come & see if he needed an ambulance or not..That's a lot of assuming I know & honestly my gut says none of the above took place cos it's someone she's rejected out for revenge who wouldn't bother with a ruse..He'd simply grab her, threaten her, & take off into the woods where I believe he had a car waiting for them.

SDT
04-21-2011, 09:47 AM
I looked over the commonly used terms before posting, but I don't know what SAR dogs are...help?

ChattyWoman
04-21-2011, 09:48 AM
Anyone care to link the astrology thread?

Here ya go...

Forensic Astrology - HOLLY BOBO abducted 4/13/11 Darden TN - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 09:48 AM
I hate to say this but searchers wont find her.
I think the guy buried her and i think she is real near her home!
They need to go back out there and check every inch.
If the neighbor heard her scream they must have been walking south towards her. Cause bro didnt hear a scream AFAIK JMO

They need SAR dogs!!!!!

A post on one of the HB FB sites yesterday said basically dogs were being used "all kinds of dogs" which I assume means not just blood hounds

hinman
04-21-2011, 09:49 AM
I think there is a good possibility this case is linked to the Heather Sullivan case. I think there is so many similarities between the two cases. I am glad police are looking into it.

amysmom
04-21-2011, 09:50 AM
I don't really believe the "hurt friend in the woods" story, although it might seem plausible initially. I think a nursing student would instinctively think to call 911 before walking into the woods to check on someone injured.

sbm

I just posted very similar thoughts re: what Holly would probably do if approached with that scenario..GMTA! :)

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 09:51 AM
SAR Dogs... search and rescue

http://sardog.org/

beach
04-21-2011, 09:53 AM
I looked over the commonly used terms before posting, but I don't know what SAR dogs are...help?

Search And Rescue

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 09:54 AM
Yes. Hop on over to the forensic astrology thread. Our great astros say probably within 3 miles. Their accuracy is about 99.9% correct.

where is the astro thread?
is it toward the bottom where the scanner threa dis?

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 09:55 AM
where is the astro thread?
is it toward the bottom where the scanner threa dis?

link posted above... post 126

MLE
04-21-2011, 09:55 AM
My guess is the initial phase of the abduction happened in a similar manner to Dru Sjodin's. Sjodin's abductor was some little old weak looking fart who pulled a knife on her in broad daylight and she cooperated, unfortunately. Holly may have froze up and cooperated in the same way. Even Heather Sullivan in that video said she felt paralyzed with fear.

I hope the blood is the perp's, but I really don't know why he would be bleeding like that. He may have punched Holly or something in order to stun her and put her into a daze and to intimidate her into going along with him.

Crosby87
04-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Anyone care to link the astrology thread?

Forensic Astrology - HOLLY BOBO abducted 4/13/11 Darden TN - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

SDT
04-21-2011, 10:03 AM
I hope the blood is the perp's, but I really don't know why he would be bleeding like that. He may have punched Holly or something in order to stun her and put her into a daze and to intimidate her into going along with him.

I agree. I think he caught her off guard, punched her probably in the nose, grabbed her by the arm and led her into the woods. I have been punched in the nose and it literally stuns you. I think I saw stars for a good 2-3 minutes and wasn't really aware of my surroundings.

MLE
04-21-2011, 10:05 AM
Yeah, I think she was hit in the nose too, since they found blood but no teeth.

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 10:08 AM
Yeah, I think she was hit in the nose too, since they found blood but no teeth.

You dont necessarily want to hit someone in the mouth. It can mess up your hand for one. But a good blow to the side of the face, nose or temple can stun someone real good for quite a bit (I know from experience).

But the blood could have also come from the suspect if she hit him, he got cut with his own knife (very very common) etc.

So, who knows... (well the spokesman doesn't know...)

WillenFan21
04-21-2011, 10:09 AM
Heather Sullivan, a 31-year-old TN woman claims that she was attacked in January and thinks it is possible that the man that abducted missing nursing student Holly Bobo, also attempted to abduct her outside of her home, located in Centerville, TN.

Centerville, TN where Sullivan lives and claims she was attacked is approximately 45 mins east of Parson's.
Sillivan told TheDaily.com that her abductor attacked her at 5:30 AM... Bobo was abducted at approximately 7:30 AM last week. That shows that both attackers, attack during the early morning hours.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction

nursebeeme
04-21-2011, 10:09 AM
Official: "Even as volunteers rest, we keep going...we don't stop, not to worry"
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 10:12 AM
Heather Sullivan, a 31-year-old TN woman claims that she was attacked in January and thinks it is possible that the man that abducted missing nursing student Holly Bobo, also attempted to abduct her outside of her home, located in Centerville, TN.

Centerville, TN where Sullivan lives and claims she was attacked is approximately 45 mins east of Parson's.
Sillivan told TheDaily.com that her abductor attacked her at 5:30 AM... Bobo was abducted at approximately 7:30 AM last week. That shows that both attackers, attack during the early morning hours.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction

I think this is a very good, potential link to another assault. Somehow I do not think this particular crime (Holly) is the suspect's first. its real big for a first timer. And even though he was sort of spotted, he got away with it and left little (aparent) evidence. If anything and its not related, the extra attention for Holly may spark some new info in the Sullivan case.

hinman
04-21-2011, 10:12 AM
Heather Sullivan, a 31-year-old TN woman claims that she was attacked in January and thinks it is possible that the man that abducted missing nursing student Holly Bobo, also attempted to abduct her outside of her home, located in Centerville, TN.

Centerville, TN where Sullivan lives and claims she was attacked is approximately 45 mins east of Parson's.
Sillivan told TheDaily.com that her abductor attacked her at 5:30 AM... Bobo was abducted at approximately 7:30 AM last week. That shows that both attackers, attack during the early morning hours.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction
He grabbed her by the arm also which is what the brother says he seen with Holly. The only thing that saved her was she dropped a lamp and the BF yelled from inside the house.

SweetSkit
04-21-2011, 10:14 AM
It is a job keeping up with you guys AND Fukushima...

Thx everyone for keeping this going. At least I can go back and catch up! :)

5150_bound
04-21-2011, 10:22 AM
Anyone else having Morgan Harrington flashbacks?

There was also a previous attack in Virginia, where the victim escaped.... 2 hours away from where Morgan went missing... though I don't think we know if that girl resembled Morgan.

Now in Tennessee H***** in January and Holly in April...


Morgan was found in an area in Virginia that "would only be known to locals."

Holly is in an area that would "only be known to locals."


Morgan was a blonde.

H***** and Holly are both blondes.


Morgan's murder and Holly's disappearance are about 10 hours apart.

I wonder if Morgan's attacker moved after her murder?

October of 2009... he could have been living in Tennessee for over a year. May not be real well integrated or easily missed... but definitely could know the area very well within a year or so... Even enrolled in college and established an acquaintanceship with a few girls... or guys... or both...

Very odd...

The January attack in Tennessee:

This is Levi, who as far as I understand is an approved source here...

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction

It was also discussed on Nancy tonight:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html

i do, but only in that the abductor knew the area well in both cases
& that LE would not release much info on the case. which in regards to Morgan, turned out to be a huge mistake (IMO). especially when Morgan's shirt was found & LE did not release that information. also they did not release exactly where Morgan's car was parked at the venue.
so many potential witnesses were missed because of LE not putting this info out there. i could see them holding on to it IF they had a suspect or even a lead- but they didnt. if it wasnt for the farmer- we still wouldnt know where Morgans body is.

KMouse
04-21-2011, 10:24 AM
Just a thought from another view, If I was going to obduct someone who had car keys in her hand, I would take her car, not go on foot so I think he either intended local harm (in the woods) or had a vehicle close by.

If everything we have been told is true I would think that the suspect is somebody that planned this and had his escape route and method worked out in advance.
If it is somebody that knows her and there is an emotional connection then sometimes that can make the suspect get sloppy. Maybe that is why we have her lunch found in the woods and possibly papers.
If this person wanted Holly then perhaps he knew his only chance was to get her in the morning like he did and take those extra chances.

I hope we get answers today.

nursebeeme
04-21-2011, 10:29 AM
I personally would like to hear more details from Heather Sullivan's case like:

-did the guy drive up or walk up (she lived out in the woods as well)
-did he have camo on?
-where did he run after the boyfriend startled him (ie, into the woods, etc)

moo

Mick
04-21-2011, 10:32 AM
It is a job keeping up with you guys AND Fukushima...

Thx everyone for keeping this going. At least I can go back and catch up! :)

Morning everyone!! Fukushima....geeze....that's a big one for all of us...be sure to eat your seaweed miso soup....

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^
Apr 20 16:56
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oops...off topic...sorry!! :p

SDT
04-21-2011, 10:34 AM
Nursebeeme: Good point, I would like to know as well. I wonder why they didn't think to ask those questions when they were trying to link the cases and ask her during the interview. Maybe someone will now that people are starting to think these instances are related.

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 10:34 AM
Unreals your not alone i also think something is wrong with this entire scenario!
Id like to know what time the parents left for work also. Or the last time the parents even saw Holly. Im not poiting the finger at anyone but a timeline would be nice.

As it is now he is the LAST person to have seen her.... and i may be dumb but how do ya notice (flecks) of blood on grass?

Another thing after Holly went missing the father said the person probably knew the families routine! What time dad left what time mom left and Holly HE NEVER MENTIONS CLINT WHY????

Possibly because he is a college student is why the dad didn't mention him. I don't think he is at home all the time but happened to be home. I don't think the perp expected that.

VicVixvi
04-21-2011, 10:40 AM
or anyone with a map, gps, or internet access...

celltower pings would be a good place to start. wonder if family members tried calling her cell. if a call connected, maybe it could be traced?

That's one thing I never understood about cell towers. They can ping and triangulate a specific phone. Why can't they say "these phones were in such & such an area at such & such a time"?

It is just data. I mean, in a case like this one, can't they go back and say "here's a list of xxxx number of cell phones that pinged the nearest tower". Through process of elimination, they could then narrow it down to say okay, here is 50 cell numbers that aren't normally in that area.

Just a thought I had.

ensht
04-21-2011, 10:42 AM
It's always possible but seemingly unlikely that there are two different potential abductors so close under the same style of attack.

As someone said, if they have a mechanism for tracking back cell phone use around her house over the last month or so, they will likely be able to generate some leads. It is incredibly unlikely this was totally random. The abductor/abductors were likely there prior scoping out the place and chances are they were less cautious.

I think LE knows a lot more than they are telling us. Unless the perp(s) are mountain men they have access to the web etc. All the little leaks like the lunch pail, school papers and so on only helped to alert him of what she may have been doing in leaving a trail. I really applaud the family and close friends in being so silent as there is obviously a reason.

I have the expectation that if something is going to break it will be over the next day or two.

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 10:43 AM
Possibly because he is a college student is why the dad didn't mention him. I don't think he is at home all the time but happened to be home. I don't think the perp expected that.

Im alsmost sure i read she lives at home with her mom dad and brother!
It was just strange that he left him out is all JMO

SDT
04-21-2011, 10:46 AM
It's always possible but seemingly unlikely that there are two different potential abductors so close under the same style of attack.

As someone said, if they have a mechanism for tracking back cell phone use around her house over the last month or so, they will likely be able to generate some leads. It is incredibly unlikely this was totally random. The abductor/abductors were likely there prior scoping out the place and chances are they were less cautious.

I think LE knows a lot more than they are telling us. Unless the perp(s) are mountain men they have access to the web etc. All the little leaks like the lunch pail, school papers and so on only helped to alert him of what she may have been doing in leaving a trail. I really applaud the family and close friends in being so silent as there is obviously a reason.

I have the expectation that if something is going to break it will be over the next day or two.

Do you have the link regarding the school papers? I have been trying to read every post, but I must have missed that one. TIA

MLE
04-21-2011, 10:49 AM
The perp must either not be all that bright or else he's just totally out of control to always try to kidnap girls when guys are at home. Probably both. He's a DA, and I don't mean district attorney...

SurfieTX
04-21-2011, 10:50 AM
A local is posting on NG FB with the initials of JM (about comment #725) - says the brother wore contacts. He got up from bed w/o contacts or glasses, and saw the abductor, thought it was the boyfriend, and thought nothing of it. He went back to sleep. Neighbor heard the scream and called the mom. Mom called the brother and told him to go outside and look for her. Then 911 was called.

concentric
04-21-2011, 10:51 AM
I personally would like to hear more details from Heather Sullivan's case like:

-did the guy drive up or walk up (she lived out in the woods as well)
-did he have camo on?
-where did he run after the boyfriend startled him (ie, into the woods, etc)

moo
______________
Did Heather even report this when it happened? Not blaming her, just asking.

What are the common denominators between Heather and Holly

1) blond
2) same area
3) they both were attacked when they just stepped out of their house

What else???

Was Heather going to school? Did Heather go to the hospital?

concentric
04-21-2011, 10:52 AM
4) morning hour

SDT
04-21-2011, 10:52 AM
Nevermind, I found it.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14477180/day-7-of-search-for-holly-bobo-in-decatur-county

You would think they would KNOW if it is her school papers or not. I am sure that a family member would be able to verify her handwriting. Guess LE is keeping this close to the vest like everything else.

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 10:52 AM
Im alsmost sure i read she lives at home with her mom dad and brother!
It was just strange that he left him out is all JMO

Yes, that is what you most likely read; however, that is not the total reality of the situation.

concentric
04-21-2011, 10:54 AM
5) Both their names start with the letter: H

sarx
04-21-2011, 10:54 AM
That's one thing I never understood about cell towers. They can ping and triangulate a specific phone. Why can't they say "these phones were in such & such an area at such & such a time"?

It is just data. I mean, in a case like this one, can't they go back and say "here's a list of xxxx number of cell phones that pinged the nearest tower". Through process of elimination, they could then narrow it down to say okay, here is 50 cell numbers that aren't normally in that area.

Just a thought I had.

Actually they can, if I understand what you are saying correctly. We've been using that type of info on the Hailey Dunn case. Depending on how far the towers are apart the area may be quite small or fairly large. Either way you get a general area/direction though.

YellowDog
04-21-2011, 10:56 AM
How can they be so sure the kidnapper and victim did not leave the area? It wouldn't take long to be miles from there in a vehicle. I also wonder how much time elapsed between the 911 calls and the time LE arrived on the scene?

I believe this is someone who fixated on her and stalked her from afar until he knew her daily routine.

Did her father employee casual labor from around there in his tree business? Could it be someone who worked for him at one time and had occasion to see Holly when perhaps she visited her father on the job?

I think this person lives in the area and is a "loner" who perhaps lives in the backwoods in a cabin or a mobile home. He probably has no close friends and that could be why he could come and go at will without anyone know his wherabouts or missing him on a daily basis.

concentric
04-21-2011, 10:56 AM
Actually they can, if I understand what you are saying correctly. We've been using that type of info on the Hailey Dunn case. Depending on how far the towers are apart the area may be quite small or fairly large. Either way you get a general area/direction though.

Hi. I think I remember you from the Dru Sjodin search/case, or am I mistaken? Could be. Or maybe from the Caylee case.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 10:58 AM
Wow...just reading about this Heather Sullivan case. It gives me chills to think that this is such a similar situation. It really makes my mind go into a different direction. Serial killer? Has he done it before with some other missing women in TN? This is just horrifying to think of. I'm just sick for the family...:(

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 11:00 AM
It is not unusual for two crimes, sometimes seemingly unrelated, to actually influence the solution of one or both crimes in the end. Little bits of info from one or both crimes may be pieced together to get a better picture of the suspect, the MO, etc. Even DNA from one case can help solve another.

I bring up the case of Anne Pressly because in her case it took at least 3 crimes to catch the suspect, Curtis Vance. DNA from her assault came back as "unknown" since the suspect was not in the data base yet. A month after Anne's death, DNA results from a rape in a nearby town came in. The rape happened some 7 months earlier but the lab was slow and it took that long to do the results since they were not rushed. The results matched Anne's attacker, but again it was "unknown" as far as a suspect went. BUT LE had a suspect for some petty thefts and robberies dealing in stolen goods, etc.. He was called in for an interview and willingly gave a DNA sample. Turns out it was Vance and his sample matched the rape and murder results and he was arrested, tried and convicted.

Bradjenkins
04-21-2011, 11:00 AM
That's one thing I never understood about cell towers. They can ping and triangulate a specific phone. Why can't they say "these phones were in such & such an area at such & such a time"?

It is just data. I mean, in a case like this one, can't they go back and say "here's a list of xxxx number of cell phones that pinged the nearest tower". Through process of elimination, they could then narrow it down to say okay, here is 50 cell numbers that aren't normally in that area.

Just a thought I had.

Well if the phone was turned off then the cell towers wouldn't be able to ping her location even if she had it with her. I heard that Apple is going to incorporate a tracking system for the iphone 5 that records where you've been, in cases like this is would be really beneficial.

concentric
04-21-2011, 11:01 AM
Once again, I'm asking: Did Heather report this to LE before Holly was taken?

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:01 AM
How can they be so sure the kidnapper and victim did not leave the area? It wouldn't take long to be miles from there in a vehicle. I also wonder how much time elapsed between the 911 calls and the time LE arrived on the scene?

I believe this is someone who fixated on her and stalked her from afar until he knew her daily routine.

Did her father employee casual labor from around there in his tree business? Could it be someone who worked for him at one time and had occasion to see Holly when perhaps she visited her father on the job?

I think this person lives in the area and is a "loner" who perhaps lives in the backwoods in a cabin or a mobile home. He probably has no close friends and that could be why he could come and go at will without anyone know his wherabouts or missing him on a daily basis.

We can only hope. This would be the least of two terrible scenarios. Hopefully, if he does have her somewhere, her experience hunting in the past will allow her to be able to work through an escape if she's in the woods somewhere.

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 11:01 AM
Actually they can, if I understand what you are saying correctly. We've been using that type of info on the Hailey Dunn case. Depending on how far the towers are apart the area may be quite small or fairly large. Either way you get a general area/direction though.

I think the triangulation and tracking stuff doesnt work if the phone is not turned on or not in use. Just carrying a phone around may not provide any info. A lot of people get caught because the suspect chats on the phone as he drives too and from a crime scene, not knowing he is leaving a trail behind. Possibly too if all this happened within a tight enough area around Hollys house no pings outside of the area would be received anyway.

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 11:03 AM
Once again, I'm asking: Did Heather report this to LE before Holly was taken?

It was said in the media that yes, she did report the incident before Holly's abduction.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:04 AM
Once again, I'm asking: Did Heather report this to LE before Holly was taken?

Yes, I read that it was. I'll look for a link.

ensht
04-21-2011, 11:05 AM
Well if the phone was turned off then the cell towers wouldn't be able to ping her location even if she had it with her. I heard that Apple is going to incorporate a tracking system for the iphone 5 that records where you've been, in cases like this is would be really beneficial.

The first part of what you said isn't correct in many cases but I don't want to get into details for obvious reasons.

SDT, I'd be reasonably certain they know about the papers by now. If by some chance she was being driven away on an ATV between the noise of the wind, the engine and travel over ground she'd probably have been able to drop stuff without being noticed. BUT once that word got out if this is indeed what happened it appears to have stopped and this is why the LEO's have really stopped releasing information I'd guess.

That information should not have been leaked.

concentric
04-21-2011, 11:05 AM
It was said in the media that yes, she did report the incident before Holly's abduction.

I asked it because I hadn't seen it in any media. Could be my oversight.
Do you have a link handy?

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 11:07 AM
How can they be so sure the kidnapper and victim did not leave the area? It wouldn't take long to be miles from there in a vehicle. I also wonder how much time elapsed between the 911 calls and the time LE arrived on the scene?

I believe this is someone who fixated on her and stalked her from afar until he knew her daily routine.

Did her father employee casual labor from around there in his tree business? Could it be someone who worked for him at one time and had occasion to see Holly when perhaps she visited her father on the job?

I think this person lives in the area and is a "loner" who perhaps lives in the backwoods in a cabin or a mobile home. He probably has no close friends and that could be why he could come and go at will without anyone know his wherabouts or missing him on a daily basis.

He could have abducted her and Killed her and been back to school or work in a few hours. No one would have missed him He goes on with his regualr routine.


Remember Elizabeth Olten. The Teen responsible for her murder Alysa Bustamante dug two graves days before the area where she buried her was searched nothing was found...Alysa finally told LE where they could find her.
If she did not tell them the location Elizabeth wouldnt have been found. Like the man that hid the bodies in the hollow tree.

I really think Holly is right there near her home. JMO

hinman
04-21-2011, 11:07 AM
Once again, I'm asking: Did Heather report this to LE before Holly was taken?
We don't know. But on NG she said the LE contacted her about Hollys case. So I think it was reported. She did not contact them.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:08 AM
I asked it because I hadn't seen it in any media. Could be my oversight.
Do you have a link handy?

Still looking...

liltexans
04-21-2011, 11:08 AM
A local is posting on NG FB with the initials of JM (about comment #725) - says the brother wore contacts. He got up from bed w/o contacts or glasses, and saw the abductor, thought it was the boyfriend, and thought nothing of it. He went back to sleep. Neighbor heard the scream and called the mom. Mom called the brother and told him to go outside and look for her. Then 911 was called.

Thank you, Surfie! Do you by any chance have the link to NG's FB? TIA!

concentric
04-21-2011, 11:08 AM
Yeah, LE contacted her about it after Holly was abducted, we know that. But before?

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:10 AM
I found this link by Levi...it says towards the bottom that Heather contacted TBI "after the incident," but did she mean HER incident, or Holly's? Hmmmm...

http://levipageshow.blogspot.com/

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 11:10 AM
What if there are squatters out there in thos woods or a meth lab or something like that..... I guess we would have heard if the searchers found anything like that but then again we dont hear NUTTIN NUTTIN at all LOL

froginTtown
04-21-2011, 11:11 AM
I think this is a very good, potential link to another assault. Somehow I do not think this particular crime (Holly) is the suspect's first. its real big for a first timer. And even though he was sort of spotted, he got away with it and left little (aparent) evidence. If anything and its not related, the extra attention for Holly may spark some new info in the Sullivan case.

I agree, and it may bring other victims out too...

concentric
04-21-2011, 11:14 AM
Seems pretty obvious that the attempted abduction of Heather and the abduction of Holly are related. (JMO) Others say that here.

Mick
04-21-2011, 11:14 AM
And they're keeping us that way too, Eileen

I'm going back to bed..up way too oily...

ensht
04-21-2011, 11:15 AM
And they're keeping us that way too, Eileen

I don't blame them. Our need to know is trumped by their need to get her home. The leaks may have hurt the case who knows.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:17 AM
Seems pretty obvious that the attempted abduction of Heather and the abduction of Holly are related. (JMO) Others say that here.

It does...but because I am always cynical of this kind of thing, I always think of people who come out after a situation and try to relate it to themselves to get attention. I'm not accusing Heather of that, but I'd love to know for sure if it was reported at the time of the incident. I mean, that type of thing is something that anyone would certainly report. Don't you think?

annalyzer
04-21-2011, 11:18 AM
It does...but because I am always cynical of this kind of thing, I always think of people who come out after a situation and try to relate it to themselves to get attention. I'm not accusing Heather of that, but I'd love to know for sure if it was reported at the time of the incident. I mean, that type of thing is something that anyone would certainly report. Don't you think?

i read in an article above that she did report it because i was wondering the same thing

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:19 AM
i read in an article above that she did report it because i was wondering the same thing

I was pretty sure that I read that too, although I just looked for it and can't find a link. Could you provide one possibly?

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 11:20 AM
I asked it because I hadn't seen it in any media. Could be my oversight.
Do you have a link handy?

No, sorry I don't. It was on our local news here in West TN yesterday and I didn't look for it in print.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:22 AM
Hmmm...without a link for sure, we can't really believe it. Heck...even WITH a link (in this case) we might not necessarily be able to believe it!

LaWanda
04-21-2011, 11:22 AM
I was pretty sure that I read that too, although I just looked for it and can't find a link. Could you provide one possibly?


Here's the link: http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/04/20/042011-news-holly-bobo-2-2/

It says that the TBI checked and HS DID report the incident as soon as it happened.

HTH

hinman
04-21-2011, 11:23 AM
What if there are squatters out there in thos woods or a meth lab or something like that..... I guess we would have heard if the searchers found anything like that but then again we dont hear NUTTIN NUTTIN at all LOL
Yup good point. Found this article
It is a statistic no one wants to be a part of, but the facts are in: Tennessee ranked number one in the nation for the manufacturing of methamphetamines. According to the U.S.
http://www.decaturcountyonline.com/article.asp?rcat=1&art=index

Coldpizza
04-21-2011, 11:23 AM
Was Holly Bobo Abduction Related to Attack on Another Woman?
Apr 21, 2011 – 10:03 AM

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/21/was-holly-bobo-abduction-related-to-attack-on-another-woman-hea/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2|57451

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 11:25 AM
One scenario I've had recently is that perhaps the perp was driving a pickup, pulling a horse trailer with an ATV inside. Horses are very common sights here as well as horse trailers. After the abduction, he could have pulled the ATV back into the trailer, and placed Holly in the front compartment, which is often used for storage; gotten into his truck; and, proceeded to wherever. Wearing camo, driving a pickup, and pulling a trailer is something no one would deem suspicious even if he met dozens of people on the road after the abduction.

JMO

Bradjenkins
04-21-2011, 11:28 AM
The first part of what you said isn't correct in many cases but I don't want to get into details for obvious reasons.

SDT, I'd be reasonably certain they know about the papers by now. If by some chance she was being driven away on an ATV between the noise of the wind, the engine and travel over ground she'd probably have been able to drop stuff without being noticed. BUT once that word got out if this is indeed what happened it appears to have stopped and this is why the LEO's have really stopped releasing information I'd guess.

That information should not have been leaked.

I disagree, if a phone is off then it's really off otherwise you'd drain the battery real quick. Either way even if she had it on this whole time there's no way the battery could still hold power & it would be useless at this point.

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 11:28 AM
It should be easy enough to find out if the Sullivan attack was reported. Most counties have a crime report in the newspaper or on the LE web site. Going to the web site for the local newspaper and searching or to the city or county LE site should provide a report date. I know here the paper has a weekly crime log listing what has happened in the county.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:30 AM
Here's the link: http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/04/20/042011-news-holly-bobo-2-2/

It says that the TBI checked and HS DID report the incident as soon as it happened.

HTH

YES!!! That's the article I read...I remember it now. Thank you LaWanda!

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:32 AM
Chilling...because it brings on an entirely different level to this case...(if the 2 cases are related and it certainly seems like it is more than a coincidence.)

5150_bound
04-21-2011, 11:37 AM
Was Holly Bobo Abduction Related to Attack on Another Woman?
Apr 21, 2011 10:03 AM

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/21/was-holly-bobo-abduction-related-to-attack-on-another-woman-hea/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2|57451

Holly's house is soooooooo remote, that i can only believe these two cases are related if a link can be found between the two women & the abductor- like if he lives by their school or is in some way affiliated with the schools they attend. i think i recall someone saying Heather also goes to school, but i dont recall if it was ever said where she attends, if at all.

or he is a delivery person who is in both their areas on a regular basis. (newspaper carrier?)

sidenote: Deborah Norville used info i sent to her directly. twice.
(1st night on NG, the Elizabeth Shoaf underground bunker abduction)
(2nd night on NG, the car/scanner info)

Dogface
04-21-2011, 11:38 AM
I hope Mrs Sullivan was able to get a good look at her attacker and they have her searching photos.

Do college teachers there teach at more then one campus? Both woman were in school. Or maybe they both go to the same gym ? Is there something that connects her and Holly to a place or event?

IMO, the fact they were both college students in a certain age group, would be enough for a SO to happen upon either by simply staking out the school. Campuses are so open, anyone can pretty much walk on....and an SO looking for a certain "target" could just sit there till he found one...really hoping the two are not related, simply because if it's someone known to Holly it will probably be easier to pinpoint.

ETA: I went to a predominantly female school(previously all female) and can vouch that creeps will come and just sit on benches, in the student union and gawk at people...disturbing to say the least, especially considering nothing could be done about it

DNeecie
04-21-2011, 11:38 AM
On HS FB page, back in January she described her attacker as 6ft, dark hair, grey hoodie and jeans. She did report it. Police contacted her then the media.

Lera213
04-21-2011, 11:40 AM
If they are related the FBI, LE has to inform the public for their own safety. They haven't done that yet. If I was a blond young woman 100 mile radius of this area, I would be going to the store to buy coloring for my hair right now!

sarx
04-21-2011, 11:42 AM
Was she a student recently? I remember her FB page showing something about Real Estate school? She is 30 correct? (HS)

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 11:43 AM
Yup good point. Found this article
It is a statistic no one wants to be a part of, but the facts are in: Tennessee ranked number one in the nation for the manufacturing of methamphetamines. According to the U.S.
http://www.decaturcountyonline.com/article.asp?rcat=1&art=index

I read that is said Tenn is NUmero uno in meth labsLOL
Im sure they found a few!

Cubbies2010
04-21-2011, 11:43 AM
Chilling...because it brings on an entirely different level to this case...(if the 2 cases are related and it certainly seems like it is more than a coincidence.)

It does seem like they are very likely related. And maybe there are more we don't know about, women who reported something similar after Holly was taken.

I wonder if she could describe the perp--I saw in some article about her that she described him as 'tall and skinny'... If she can give the police more, or did in her original report, they may have a description. Altho at 5:30 AM, it may have been too dark, and he caused her to drop her lantern.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 11:44 AM
I personally don't think that 20 and 31 are the same age group, but the cases do seem similar.

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 11:44 AM
It should be easy enough to find out if the Sullivan attack was reported. Most counties have a crime report in the newspaper or on the LE web site. Going to the web site for the local newspaper and searching or to the city or county LE site should provide a report date. I know here the paper has a weekly crime log listing what has happened in the county.

In the article that someone posted it said LE confirmed that she reported it at that time.

sarx
04-21-2011, 11:45 AM
I don't know why, and I may very well be the only one, but I'm not feeling the connection between the 2 cases.

ensht
04-21-2011, 11:46 AM
I disagree, if a phone is off then it's really off otherwise you'd drain the battery real quick. Either way even if she had it on this whole time there's no way the battery could still hold power & it would be useless at this point.
Standby power on most cell phones is only a day or two max. Off they can last for a LONG time but they will still drain down over time because they're never totally off. Charge a modern phone fully, turn it off and check it again in a month or three. Sent you a message too.


It should be easy enough to find out if the Sullivan attack was reported. Most counties have a crime report in the newspaper or on the LE web site. Going to the web site for the local newspaper and searching or to the city or county LE site should provide a report date. I know here the paper has a weekly crime log listing what has happened in the county.

It was reported. the original article posted on these threads indicated she reported it to police. TBI confirmed the other day they knew about it.

hinman
04-21-2011, 11:47 AM
I just wanted to say if Heather Sullivan did contact LE or vice versa I am glad. Every avenue needs to be looked at in this case. So many times something goes overlooked that could possibly have a meaning that someone would other wise think doesn't.

iluvmua
04-21-2011, 11:49 AM
One scenario I've had recently is that perhaps the perp was driving a pickup, pulling a horse trailer with an ATV inside. Horses are very common sights here as well as horse trailers. After the abduction, he could have pulled the ATV back into the trailer, and placed Holly in the front compartment, which is often used for storage; gotten into his truck; and, proceeded to wherever. Wearing camo, driving a pickup, and pulling a trailer is something no one would deem suspicious even if he met dozens of people on the road after the abduction.

JMO

I'd never though of that, Good one. :goodpost:

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 11:49 AM
I don't know why, and I may very well be the only one, but I'm not feeling the connection between the 2 cases.

Im not either!

hinman
04-21-2011, 11:50 AM
I personally don't think that 20 and 31 are the same age group, but the cases do seem similar.
They had a pic of her on NG and she was similar stature and looks. Maybe perp isn't going for age.

Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 11:52 AM
I personally don't think that 20 and 31 are the same age group, but the cases do seem similar.

Its not necessarily the age but the look. I am approaching 30 but look to be 19-22ish

Dogface
04-21-2011, 11:54 AM
I personally don't think that 20 and 31 are the same age group, but the cases do seem similar.

Depending on how people dress and present themselves, age can be subjective to who is looking at them...I am 25 and look younger than Holly, but my bf's sister who is 30 looks younger than us both! I think if they are related, the perp was just looking for girls on campuses...and maybe these two he was able to follow easily....or stood out to the perp for some specific to him reason. Really hoping I'm way off base though!

sarx
04-21-2011, 11:57 AM
How long a cell phone lasts on standby really depends on what type of phone you're talking about. True a smartphone sucks the battery and only lasts a few days, but there are a lot of phones that will last for a week even 10 days if calls aren't being made on standby.

Miziree
04-21-2011, 11:59 AM
I'm wondering if it is possible for him to have used a horse? I just wonder why they have not mentioned that but a ATV, maybe they did find tracks? JMO

Also about the blood...maybe it is not her's....since they found duct tape close to the road...maybe when he first confronted her he grabbed her, she screams he put it on her mouth and she bit him? If the brother only seen the back of the guy maybe he only seen the back of her also, possible she had duct tape on her being led away. After he gets her to the road he takes it off if she agrees not to scream...JMO

I also wonder if hunter's that hunt around that area have a place they normally park close to her home, like a turn off area. where if someone did park there it would not seem out of the ordinary....JMO

My mom lives in a rural part of Alaska, very much like Holly's area. Her neighbors are about the same distance or more. It is so quiet out there you can hear the horse's almost half a mile away..you can also hear the highway noise and people coming up the road 2 miles away. At 7 in the morning anyone out there would be alarmed with a scream. Gunshots happen all the time but most the time it is dismissed, but not a scream. I think it is very likely the neighbor could hear her loud and clear even at her house. JMO

concentric
04-21-2011, 11:59 AM
On HS FB page, back in January she described her attacker as 6ft, dark hair, grey hoodie and jeans. She did report it. Police contacted her then the media.

Police contacted her, but after Holly was abducted, I believe. I have not read a major news source confirming that Heather reported this incident at the time it happened to her, before Holly was abducted.

concentric
04-21-2011, 12:02 PM
Again, what are the commonalities between the Heather and Holly cases? I listed a few earlier.

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 12:02 PM
Police contacted her, but after Holly was abducted, I believe. I have not read a major news source confirming that Heather reported this incident at the time it happened to her, before Holly was abducted.

she reported it when it happend and im sure she would have called LE when she heard about Holly also. JMO

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 12:03 PM
I posted yesterday about the TN Technology Center where Holly attends...and wondered if Heather also attended a TTC even in a different town. The article referenced stated that she is a 31 yr old business student. TTC offers a vocational business track.

Has anyone heard or read where she is pursuing her studies in the business field?

concentric
04-21-2011, 12:05 PM
I also need a "confirm" on this:

I was the one who first posted the video where police showed the duct tape with the blond hair by the side of a road.

I believe that on NG last evening, there was a screen at the end of the broadcast that listed the duct tape with the blond hair had indeed been found by the side of a road.

hinman
04-21-2011, 12:05 PM
Again, what are the commonalities between the Heather and Holly cases? I listed a few earlier.Tall, white male, grabs her by the arm, lives in wooded area, blond hair, Bf home, early morning attack, surprised her by car, 40 mins from Hollys town.
That is all I know. We don't have a lot of detail on it.

concentric
04-21-2011, 12:06 PM
she reported it when it happend and im sure she would have called LE when she heard about Holly also. JMO

I don't see a major news source that says that, or a crime report, as Carla says.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 12:06 PM
They had a pic of her on NG and she was similar stature and looks. Maybe perp isn't going for age.

True!

Bradjenkins
04-21-2011, 12:07 PM
I doubt a horse was used because you have to have a sizable trailer for it and a ATV would be a much faster and reliable mode of transport.

Miziree
04-21-2011, 12:08 PM
Does the LE have a system that puts in info of a certain crime and can compare it with all of the same crimes in the USA? Like do they compare unsolved murder's and murder's to missing people's reports?

concentric
04-21-2011, 12:11 PM
What about Heather's presence on-line. Could the perp. have shopped on-line or off-line? What are your opinions? That is, if you believe the two are connected.

Shelley530
04-21-2011, 12:11 PM
We recently had a case where I live and the perp did not discriminate by age. He attacked a 20 yo and 2 women in their 40's. The 20 yo was forced to strip down & perform sexual favors. She ended up getting away and running to the nearest store. But he also approached 2 40 yo old women. One was within a mile from the first attack. She ended up screaming & so he left. The second 40 yo woman was about 20 miles away. She ended up talking him out of it & then he shot & killed himself about 5 miles down the road.


Quote:
Originally Posted by norest4thewicked
I personally don't think that 20 and 31 are the same age group, but the cases do seem similar.

norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 12:12 PM
Its not necessarily the age but the look. I am approaching 30 but look to be 19-22ish

Wow...Carla Lashelle..you talk like a much older person! You are very mature for your age. :)

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 12:12 PM
I doubt a horse was used because you have to have a sizable trailer for it and a ATV would be a much faster and reliable mode of transport.

Agree. But what about pulling a horse trailer w/a pickup and transporting the ATV inside the trailer?

Strawberry Fields
04-21-2011, 12:14 PM
:maddening:

Depending on how people dress and present themselves, age can be subjective to who is looking at them...I am 25 and look younger than Holly, but my bf's sister who is 30 looks younger than us both! I think if they are related, the perp was just looking for girls on campuses...and maybe these two he was able to follow easily....or stood out to the perp for some specific to him reason. Really hoping I'm way off base though!

ITA. I am 58 and my cousin who is 3 months younger than me had surgery last year. Her doctor said to me "are you the daughter"? Then a day later I was visiting and a nurse said she thought I was the daughter. It is hard for me to judge someone's age and I have learned not to assume anything with that respect as it can really hurt someone's feelings; i.e., my dear cousin. I don't think I dress particularly young for my age either because you can be sure my daughter would call me down on that, LOL. Yes, I think it is more the look that could be a common factor with these two young ladies if the cases turn out to be related.

I sure hope LE is making some big progress today while the volunteers are resting up for a search tomorrow. Better yet, I hope they find her safe and they don't even have to do any searching tomorrow.

Shelley530
04-21-2011, 12:15 PM
Yes, on NG, at the bottom of the screen it did say that. & it's currently in the lab being tested.



I also need a "confirm" on this:

I was the one who first posted the video where police showed the duct tape with the blond hair by the side of a road.

I believe that on NG last evening, there was a screen at the end of the broadcast that listed the duct tape with the blond hair had indeed been found by the side of a road.

ensht
04-21-2011, 12:17 PM
I don't see a major news source that says that, or a crime report, as Carla says.

It's been reported countless times. They publicly confirmed it a couple of times including to the Daily among many others.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/04/20/042011-news-holly-bobo-2-2/

She reported the attempt.

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 12:17 PM
I don't see a major news source that says that, or a crime report, as Carla says.

I dont think she wouldnt report it Concentric and here is Levi's atricle and it says she reported it.http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/previous-attack-linked-to-holly-bobo-abduction

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 12:24 PM
Fine, get Levi on here to confirm where he got it from, cause I don't see it confirmed anywhere else, including the links in the article he wrote.

Believe what ya want i believe she reported it! JMO

ensht
04-21-2011, 12:24 PM
Fine, get Levi on here to confirm where he got it from, cause I don't see it confirmed anywhere else, including the links in the article he wrote.

Confirmation from the TBI spokesperson Kristin Helms was really enough for me. They confirmed she reported it and that they investigating any possible connection. Not sure what other type of confirmation you need.

Eileen730
04-21-2011, 12:25 PM
Confirmation from the TBI spokesperson Kristin Helms was really enough for me. They confirmed she reported it and that they investigating any possible connection. Not sure what other type of confirmation you need.

LOL me too:banghead:

froginTtown
04-21-2011, 12:25 PM
I think that the two cases are connected..
and if other women have been approached by someone and haven't reported it.. I hope they do now... I'm glad HS has came forward with this info.. maybe others will too..
and thanks to D' for sharing this info. before the National media got ahold of it....:)
Perhaps the perp. works for a company that delivers office/school supplies to the area schools.. or books or something...??

concentric
04-21-2011, 12:27 PM
Confirmation from the TBI spokesperson Kristin Helms was really enough for me. They confirmed she reported it and that they investigating any possible connection. Not sure what other type of confirmation you need.

I'm asking if Heather reported the incident that happened to her, BEFORE Holly disappeared.

It's a simple question. If TBI spokesperson Kristin Helms reported that, I want to see her exact words. Link.

hollye
04-21-2011, 12:28 PM
What about Heather's presence on-line. Could the perp. have shopped on-line or off-line? What are your opinions? That is, if you believe the two are connected.

One difference with regard to online presence is that Heather's FB is wide open and Holly's is private.

ensht
04-21-2011, 12:35 PM
I'm asking if Heather reported the incident that happened to her, BEFORE Holly disappeared.

It's a simple question. If TBI spokesperson Kristin Helms reported that, I want to see her exact words. Link.

I already gave it to you once. It's been posted on these threads maybe 5 times. I think most are satisfied she reported it including the TBI.

"TBI confirmed it was reported to local police at the time." can only be taken so many ways and it's been confirmed over and over again in the MSM.

If you're that curious about that aspect of it I'm sure you can get a copy of the police report.

Honestly I'm shocked this wasn't widely reported in TN at the time. That's a big deal.

hinman
04-21-2011, 12:35 PM
One difference with regard to online presence is that Heather's FB is wide open and Holly's is private.says she os doing NG tonight

nursebeeme
04-21-2011, 12:37 PM
road blocks continue
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/tennessee/roadblocks-continue-in-holly-bobo-search-mfo-20110421

marcyjoy
04-21-2011, 12:39 PM
I'm asking if Heather reported the incident that happened to her, BEFORE Holly disappeared.

It's a simple question. If TBI spokesperson Kristin Helms reported that, I want to see her exact words. Link.

HS's facebook wall is open and if you have the patience to scroll all the way to around January 23/25, you'll see facebook updates about the attack as well as her stating that she reported it and the police did respond.

I too felt suspicious, but it seems like it did happen.

Strawberry Fields
04-21-2011, 12:41 PM
One difference with regard to online presence is that Heather's FB is wide open and Holly's is private.

Your post makes me wonder about how easy it would be for LE to gain access to a FB account that is private when something like this happens, as did with Holly. This question came up with the Brittany Smith case (which is in the next town over from where I am). I recall it being stated a few times during PCs that were held that the social networking sites were not being totally cooperative with their investigation. With this said, it makes me think we should give our passwords to at least a trusted family member as you never know these days when access would be beneficial for someone's well-being. I'm sure this thought would open a whole other can of worms though. I had always thought law enforcement would have total access in a life or death situation, but apparently not. You then get into the privacy of friends, friends of friends, etc., etc. All MOO.

DNeecie
04-21-2011, 12:42 PM
I'm asking if Heather reported the incident that happened to her, BEFORE Holly disappeared.

It's a simple question. If TBI spokesperson Kristin Helms reported that, I want to see her exact words. Link.

Before when I said Police contacted her then the media. I meant recently after Holly was taken.

Go to HS FB page and go back to Jan. around the 23rd. She states she reported it. I know that's probably not proof enough but it will have to do until some one gets a quote from TBI.

KMouse
04-21-2011, 12:43 PM
Your post makes me wonder about how easy it would be for LE to gain access to a FB account that is private when something like this happens, as did with Holly. (snipped)

LE needs a warrant.

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 12:43 PM
Confirmation from the TBI spokesperson Kristin Helms was really enough for me. They confirmed she reported it and that they investigating any possible connection. Not sure what other type of confirmation you need.

Yes, that is what our local news stated: that KH had been the source. That's why I didn't try to find it in writing. Now I remember that.

concentric
04-21-2011, 12:45 PM
I already gave it to you once. It's been posted on these threads maybe 5 times. I think most are satisfied she reported it including the TBI.

"TBI confirmed it was reported to local police at the time." can only be taken so many ways and it's been confirmed over and over again in the MSM.

If you're that curious about that aspect of it I'm sure you can get a copy of the police report.

Honestly I'm shocked this wasn't widely reported in TN at the time. That's a big deal.
-------------
I'll wait for further confirmation.

RemingtonSteele
04-21-2011, 12:45 PM
what kind cable is in the woods?
snip
Four people had to be located with a helicopter, and another woman suffered an abrasion to her neck from a cable.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-bobo-vigil,0,3651265.story

Isn't that the searcher who did the YouTube video at 1:36 into the vigil clip?

mkay882
04-21-2011, 12:45 PM
Agree. But what about pulling a horse trailer w/a pickup and transporting the ATV inside the trailer?

I tend to doubt the horse trailer carrying an ATV theory.
Horse trailers make a lot of racket and would be easily noticeable.
Also one would be pretty hard to hide, as opposed to an ATV.

So what I'm saying is I hope the perp DID use one!

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 12:45 PM
Your post makes me wonder about how easy it would be for LE to gain access to a FB account that is private when something like this happens, as did with Holly.

Usually LE gets a subpoena so I can't really understand why a social networking site would not comply?

froginTtown
04-21-2011, 12:46 PM
LE can get anything off of computers.. even deleted items... being that they have the families computers.. I'm sure they are checking everything she/family members have EVER done on that computer.. including searches too...
I hope that they compare Holly's friends with HS friends from FB too.. I'm sure they will..

ensht
04-21-2011, 12:46 PM
HS's facebook wall is open and if you have the patience to scroll all the way to around January 23/25, you'll see facebook updates about the attack as well as her stating that she reported it and the police did respond.

I too felt suspicious, but it seems like it did happen.


Now I get it....the poster was wondering if it was one of those deals where someone is looking for their fifteen minutes.

The interesting part of the two incidents to me.....

1. Around the same time give or take a few hours. This is someone who is free during those times and probably has an alibi or won't be missed. IE, commuting, wife/gf has already left for work etc. Only 6% of these things happen during the day. Technically the first wasn't during the day but it was bumping up near that window and occured at that time because that's when SHE was leaving. It wasn't that he broke into the house at 530. Just like this abduction took place when Holly was leaving. If connected it's someone with free time in that range.

2. They really do look similar.

3. They are very close together for such a similar MO.

--

If the road blocks are in a similar area that's kind of telling.

Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 12:49 PM
I tend to doubt the horse trailer carrying an ATV theory.
Horse trailers make a lot of racket and would be easily noticeable.
Also one would be pretty hard to hide, as opposed to an ATV.

So what I'm saying is I hope the perp DID use one!

No need to hide the horse trailer. They are everywhere so one would not be suspicious at all. They sit in open yards, driveways, around barns, fields, etc. On any given day a person can drive to work and meet/follow several trucks pulling horse trailers. Just another day in paradise. Would not be as conspicuous as someone driving an ATV with an injured or screaming girl riding on the back.

RemingtonSteele
04-21-2011, 12:53 PM
Yup.. and one of the things they say is that the perp. likes to insert themselves into the case... I hope they checked him out..

That is exactly what I was thinking but wasn't sure it was okay to say it.

concentric
04-21-2011, 12:56 PM
Yup.. and one of the things they say is that the perp. likes to insert themselves into the case... I hope they checked him out..

Just how is this perp. inserting themself into the case?