View Full Version : TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #11
imamaze
04-21-2011, 07:23 PM
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
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Lera213
04-21-2011, 07:25 PM
Bring my question over from last thread:
could the statement on the tweet "ATV'S, horses, walking teams all encouraged to return in force" bbm an indication that they have a suspect but not enough to hold him and hoping to find more evidence that will give them enough to charge or hold the suspect longer or even make an arrest?
peeples
04-21-2011, 07:30 PM
I don;t think she would had her backpack on if she was getting ready to drive:waitasec:
Myself, my husband and my kids put our backpacks on till we get to the truck.. i think he nabbed her before she was able to get it off of her shoulder which we usually do as we're opening the door of the vehicle that is unless we've got other stuff in our hands, then we put whatever is in out hands on the seat and then unshoulder the backpack.
another nosey mom
04-21-2011, 07:31 PM
I still believe she either knew the guy who was taking her across the lawn or he was askingmher for help and either showed blood to get her to help him or something?
JustyThoughts
04-21-2011, 07:32 PM
Yall hang tough. I have to be AFK & will BBL.
Keep hope alive for Holly ..... until we absolutely know the facts/truth.
CHARLISA
04-21-2011, 07:33 PM
Myself, my husband and my kids put our backpacks on till we get to the truck.. i think he nabbed her before she was able to get it off of her shoulder which we usually do as we're opening the door of the vehicle that is unless we've got other stuff in our hands, then we put whatever is in out hands on the seat and then unshoulder the backpack.
My daughter does the same thing. I think he popped out and surprised her before she got to her car.
CHARLISA
04-21-2011, 07:35 PM
ATV'S, horses, walking teams all encouraged to return in force. #hollybobo #teamholly
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley as reported per peeples
This is very spooky and strange as I thought they were going to resume the search tomorrow - something happened IMO
hinman
04-21-2011, 07:37 PM
ATV'S, horses, walking teams all encouraged to return in force. #hollybobo #teamholly
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley as reported per peeples
This is very spooky and strange as I thought they were going to resume the search tomorrow - something happened IMO
this is for tomorrow so they can resume search.
lishac23
04-21-2011, 07:40 PM
willnunley Will Nunley
Source: officials canvass waterways and undisclosed new areas of Decatur County. Volunteers will likely help in these zones tomorrow.
IMO (please forgive the bluntness) something lead them to believe she was either being kept in those areas, or that she was buried/left in those undisclosed areas. They wanted to conduct the search officially as they believed they might find her and did not want "volunteers" to possibly contaminate the scene. They didn't find anything...
JMO
CHARLISA
04-21-2011, 07:41 PM
this is for tomorrow so they can resume search.
Oh thank you so much for clearing that up. I was so worried that they were calling them back today.
Left work and I am now home. Please tell me there is someone in custody or they found something....
not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 07:48 PM
I don't think they are being directed at this point by anything more than where they have and have not already searched. MOO. I don't think they have found anything more in the woods than what we have heard about. I think the interesting findings have all been made at the lab. Once again, MOO.
I don't think it's unusual for her to have cooperated with the perp even if she didn't know him.
Think about how often armed men and even armed groups of men have allowed themselves to be taken prisoner by hostile enemies because they thought being taken prisoner and allowing themselves to be under total control of enemies was their best chance to survive.
If armed groups of trained soldiers often give themselves up as prisoners, it's hard to expect a 20 year old girl to make the right decisions when she was suddenly in a very frightening situation she had never been in before.
Anyone got a map of the county handy? We can see how much of the river is in the county and narrow it down a bit.
Eileen730
04-21-2011, 07:51 PM
Left work and I am now home. Please tell me there is someone in custody or they found something....
Nope found nothing n0o one in custody...Been very quiet today.
Eileen730
04-21-2011, 08:01 PM
Anyone got a map of the county handy? We can see how much of the river is in the county and narrow it down a bit.
hERE YA GO!
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=35.717528,-88.113785&spn=0.212961,0.65918&z=11link
LOL, well that narrows it down to what, about 30 miles of river.
Eileen730
04-21-2011, 08:05 PM
LOL, well that narrows it down to what, about 30 miles of river.
lol YUP!
Lorma
04-21-2011, 08:10 PM
How soon after the brother saw her, did he call 911? Does anyone know the time he called?
Lorma
04-21-2011, 08:12 PM
I was just thinking, that if her brother thought she was in distress, and called 911. Did he got into the woods to see if he could find her?
Jo in Calif
04-21-2011, 08:13 PM
So if this perp came from the woods, superficially cut himself, that would leave flecks of blood, as he crossed the lawn, if in fact there were flecks of blood on the grass.
Had himself hidden, when Holly was by her car, came out and had a gun, told her not to scream and come with him, people are usually pretty compliant with a gun pointed at them.
While he was at the carport, he could have still been bleeding, but not profusely, left a small amount of blood.
If he was holding a gun on her, she more than likely would have done as he asked, held on to her things and went with him.
We don't know for sure what the brother heard or why he was looking out the window, we only know he saw her walking into the woods, with who he thought was her boyfriend, in camo clothing, I don't believe he said he was slender.
The perp more than likely had a car stashed, put her in it and drove off.
If her lunch box was found 8 miles away, if they were on foot, I would think the dogs could have tracked them.
LE has a reason for keeping so quiet, I really think they know something, not just everything.
CHARLISA
04-21-2011, 08:16 PM
I was just thinking, that if her brother thought she was in distress, and called 911. Did he got into the woods to see if he could find her?
That would make sense wouldn't it. To run to the woods and see if you could find her. If it was my relative, that is what I would have done, while calling 911 on my phone.
curiousc
04-21-2011, 08:18 PM
So if this perp came from the woods, superficially cut himself, that would leave flecks of blood, as he crossed the lawn, if in fact there were flecks of blood on the grass.
Had himself hidden, when Holly was by her car, came out and had a gun, told her not to scream and come with him, people are usually pretty compliant with a gun pointed at them.
While he was at the carport, he could have still been bleeding, but not profusely, left a small amount of blood.
If he was holding a gun on her, she more than likely would have done as he asked, held on to her things and went with him.
We don't know for sure what the brother heard or why he was looking out the window, we only know he saw her walking into the woods, with who he thought was her boyfriend, in camo clothing, I don't believe he said he was slender.
The perp more than likely had a car stashed, put her in it and drove off.
If her lunch box was found 8 miles away, if they were on foot, I would think the dogs could have tracked them.
LE has a reason for keeping so quiet, I really think they know something, not just everything.
I do believe the brother said that the guy was around 200 lbs. and between 5'8" and 6'. My hubby is 6'1" and roughly 185 lbs. and he's not a slender guy.
Heather said the person that tried to nab her was slender.
I don't think these two cases are related yet both have similarities which would definitely have me scared living around there.
cluciano63
04-21-2011, 08:24 PM
Maybe the blood matched DNA in a cold hit, i.e in a case where they have DNA but no perp?
Also, if he had told her someone was injured in the woods, wouldn't she have been moving quickly, or evening running? And why would she ever let someone lead her, i.e. touch her, unless he was armed or she knew him? That is not likely to me at all.
casseole
04-21-2011, 08:28 PM
Well, after a week of speculation and the same questions repeated over and over again (because we have next to nothing to go on), I think we can all agree there is something fishy going on. What it is ... who knows. Something just seems off...
CHARLISA
04-21-2011, 08:31 PM
I do believe the brother said that the guy was around 200 lbs. and between 5'8" and 6'. My hubby is 6'1" and roughly 185 lbs. and he's not a slender guy.
Heather said the person that tried to nab her was slender.
I don't think these two cases are related yet both have similarities which would definitely have me scared living around there.
According to the reports I have read, Heather said her attacker was 6' or taller and wouldn't camo make a person seem larger than what they actually are? It kind of pads the body doesn't it.
I am still not convinced these are related tho.
casseole
04-21-2011, 08:35 PM
Is Nancy Grace a nightly program? We don't have it here in Canada. Maybe on the specialty stations...
I'm 6'1" and approxiately 185 lbs and I'm considered "skinny" by Tennessee standards. We're one of the heavier set states. People here often tell me I need to eat more. lol
nursebeeme
04-21-2011, 08:36 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/user/timer55
stream nancy grace live on your computer
casseole
04-21-2011, 08:39 PM
Thanks, nurse. I watched it last night (streamed while on here) and must say I much prefer Debra Norville.
another nosey mom
04-21-2011, 09:15 PM
http://http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-tennessee-woman-idUSTRE73K8EC20110421
just read this article and it states the brother didnt' go outside for about an hour after first seeing his sister going across yard ??? Is this the first time they have said it was an hour later?
evelyn24
04-21-2011, 09:29 PM
http://http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-tennessee-woman-idUSTRE73K8EC20110421 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-tennessee-woman-idUSTRE73K8EC20110421)
just read this article and it states the brother didnt' go outside for about an hour after first seeing his sister going across yard ??? Is this the first time they have said it was an hour later?
thanks
Carla Lashelle
04-21-2011, 09:34 PM
http://http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-tennessee-woman-idUSTRE73K8EC20110421
just read this article and it states the brother didnt' go outside for about an hour after first seeing his sister going across yard ??? Is this the first time they have said it was an hour later?
Who knows. It says an hour or so... I think it was less. But no one was really paying attention to time. There are descriptive variations to pretty much every detail in this case so precision is not really possible. We know she went out, brother saw them going into the woods, and he went out later. We don't know exactly when anyone went out or saw anything with any precision.
another nosey mom
04-21-2011, 09:49 PM
that is why this case is so very strange.... they have not released any timeline of events,very little description of perp,no 911 calls released.... it leads everyone to jump to conclusions and that is how rumours start. I would hope they would keep so sort of new info coming so that people keep interested in this case and keep Holly's name in the news.
Rallihanna
04-21-2011, 09:58 PM
Just checking in after a long day. Slow news day for this case?
OK, there were posts early on about the geocache at the cave, did someone end up reporting that to LE? NOT because the person is a suspect, but they were ALL over Decatur county on the 13th, including old Rt 69, Natchez Trace Park, and everywhere in between. That's not unusual at all for a cacher with his numbers to do, but it does mean he might be an unknowing witness.
norest4thewicked
04-21-2011, 09:59 PM
Just checking in after a long day. Slow news day for this case?
Me too and it looks like nothing new at all...
evelyn24
04-21-2011, 10:04 PM
People are going to lose interest soon if nothing happens and LE keeps quiet. :/
I hate to be negative but I don't think LE has much at this point.
panthera
04-21-2011, 10:14 PM
People are going to lose interest soon if nothing happens and LE keeps quiet. :/
I hate to be negative but I don't think LE has much at this point.
Either they don't have much or for some reason are being very quiet. I still tend to believe this abductor was someone Holly knew (or knew of her) rather than a connection to the other attempted abduction miles away since there seems to be no connection between the previous victim and Holly, and I seriously doubt the abductor was a stranger just camping outside the home to see who lived there. MOO
Cubbies2010
04-21-2011, 10:18 PM
From a news story today:
http://www.wsmv.com/news/27625343/detail.html
Investigators said they gathered all agencies together to determine where they have and haven't covered. They now have a specific plan for volunteers, including a list of items they are looking for.
Patience
04-21-2011, 10:19 PM
There are a couple of absonders on the TN sex offender registry.
http://www.tbi.tn.gov/sex_ofender_reg/sex_ofender_reg.shtml
not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 10:35 PM
Last Wednesday morning Holly did the same thing she did every day – she headed off to school at about 7:30 a.m. Her 25-year-old brother, Clint Bobo, saw her being led into the woods outside their home by a man dressed in full camo. Clint believed the man was Holly’s boyfriend, Drew.
Police surmise now that Holly was forced to walk into the woods by her abductor, fearing for her life.
Many people who have read Holly’s story have commented that they would find it odd to see a man outfitted in camouflage clothing at 7:30 in the morning. But to those living in Decatur County, there’s nothing odd about it.
Sometime later Clint went outside and noticed Holly’s car still in the driveway and blood on the ground. He became alarmed and immediately called 911.
Another 911 call was made by a neighbor who claimed she heard Holly scream. Some have questioned why she was the only one to hear Holly screaming.
The Bobo’s home is located on 2.09 acres bordering thick woods. Judging from a map of their property, there does not appear to be another home close by. This could explain why only the neighbor heard Holly’s screams.
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Holly Bobo Abduction: 3,000 attend vigil, searchers will be out in force Friday - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-3-000-attend-vigil-searchers-will-be-out-force-friday#ixzz1KDQ0Btpd
"The same thing she did every day..." That says to me that it was not a day that she was leaving late or early. Normal schedule.
This article also says that the sheriff was scheduled to speak last night at the vigil, but did not, apparently no reason was given.
froginTtown
04-21-2011, 10:38 PM
All that I have to say is:
I sure hope that TBI, US Marshalls, FBI, Sheriffs office, Darden Police and all the rest of the neighboring LE that are helping... all have a real damn good reason for not including or asking the public for any help... !!! (except for the basic description, and profiling they have done..ie.. cleaning vehicle, acting strange or missing from work and such..)
The Governor raising the reward by $50,000, within the first 5 days of the disappearance speaks volumes to me...!!!
I've followed several cases and have watched the reward gradually build over time...
They want this guy NOW..!! and you better believe there is a VERY good reason that the Governor did that... I can't imagine a Governor putting such a price, $80,000 total, on aperp that may be known to the family, and who "knows the family routine.."..
The fact that the US Marshalls and FBI are on this case from the beginning speaks volumes to me too...
I don't think that this is this guys first rodeo at all..!!
I personally think that they are linking several assaults/rapes/possibly abductions with Hollys case... Most of which that was not reported to the media.. many sexual assaulted women do not report it because they do not want to have to go through the humiliation of being violated again at the hospital for a DNA testing kit.. not to mention the going to court...!! It takes a VERY brave person to see it to the end.. The victim is on trial too.. facing futher humialiation...
I think the reason that they believe he lives in the area.. is because they can connect the M.O. with other recent cases.. including HS.. and I'm proud of her to come forward..!!:great: Good for her to alert other women about her near abduction.. related to Holly or not..!! She even warned her friends about it back in mid. January on her FB page.
CHICANA
04-21-2011, 10:40 PM
I still believe she either knew the guy who was taking her across the lawn or he was askingmher for help and either showed blood to get her to help him or something?
Knowing she was going to school to become a nurse ?
not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 10:40 PM
Gwyn noted, too, that his bureau's crime lab would be examining evidence in the case through the Easter weekend.
He also said that investigators are keeping open minds as to what happened to Bobo. That includes looking at a reported attempted abduction in January involving a 31-year-old woman who, like Bobo, is blond. That occurred about 50 miles from Darden.
"The No. 1 thing that you can't do in an investigation like this is develop tunnel vision on one particular person and one particular incident," Gwyn said. "We'll look at all types of instances, where this same thing may have happened ... and see what we can gather from that."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/21/tennessee.missing.woman/
not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 10:42 PM
When did the FBI get involved? The last I heard was that FBI would not be getting involved unless there was evidence that she was taken across state lines.
colette
04-21-2011, 10:43 PM
Going back to HS, she did not drop the lamp. She said she froze when he grabed her arm. The top fell off the lamp, she still had the lamp in her hands and really would have made one heck of a good weapon had she been thinking clearly. As far as Holly having sharp thinking nurse skills in the time of trauma, she was a student and much of those skills come with experience. She was most likely just as stunned as HS. Think about it, early morning out in the country going to school as usual. No one expects that type of ambush, maybe at night but not in the early morning.
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
04-21-2011, 10:48 PM
When did the FBI get involved? The last I heard was that FBI would not be getting involved unless there was evidence that she was taken across state lines.
The FBI was involved VERY early on. Here is a link from the day she disappeared.
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14438754/authorities-20-year-old-woman-may-have-been-abducted
Law enforcement from both Decatur and Henderson Counties are helping out in this search, along with officials with the TBI and FBI.
not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 10:48 PM
Okay, found it. The sheriff was the one that said the FBI was not involved yet, and I have that in transcript a couple threads back, but I also have this:
There were questions as to why so many law enforcement agencies, including federal agents from the FBI and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation (TBI), became involved in Holly’s case on day one. Sheriff Wyatt said they were taking every precaution that they knew to take.
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-week-review
I am so stinking confused.
not_my_kids
04-21-2011, 10:50 PM
I haven't seen, and I doubt the answer is here, but did Holly have a nursing specialty, like geriatrics or trauma?
I think it would make a difference in the way she was trained to respond to things. Just curious.
RavenTrue
04-21-2011, 10:55 PM
Okay, found it. The sheriff was the one that said the FBI was not involved yet, and I have that in transcript a couple threads back, but I also have this:
There were questions as to why so many law enforcement agencies, including federal agents from the FBI and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation (TBI), became involved in Holly’s case on day one. Sheriff Wyatt said they were taking every precaution that they knew to take.
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-week-review
I am so stinking confused.
I think you speak for us all here n_m_k. :waitasec: If there is one particle in he!! that staying close to the vest is necessary, then so be it. But, as Hinman pointed out last night...there can come a time that with NO information people can lose interest. We have not for sure, but many just might.
:angel: :snooty: :angel:
Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 10:59 PM
I haven't seen, and I doubt the answer is here, but did Holly have a nursing specialty, like geriatrics or trauma?
I think it would make a difference in the way she was trained to respond to things. Just curious.
My understanding is that she was in LPN training thru Tenn. Technology Center.
Kimster
04-21-2011, 11:01 PM
A couple of negative themes have been happening in Holly's threads today.
1) Don't tell others how to post. If someone is violating TOS, use the alert button
2) Members can come in and ask for updates. If you already know the info and don't wish to update them, that's fine. Just move on to the next post and let someone else do the updating.
Now, get back to searching for clues and leave each other alone.
T4Tide
04-21-2011, 11:03 PM
I haven't seen, and I doubt the answer is here, but did Holly have a nursing specialty, like geriatrics or trauma?
I think it would make a difference in the way she was trained to respond to things. Just curious.
While I cannot speak for all nursing programs, nursing facilities, most LPN and RN programs simply teach what is the basic systems and the core principles behind them. You do not "specialize" until you have entered the work field or graduated to further education, such as anesthesiology, practitioner, etc.
I'm not sure the state of TN's license particulars, but in my state, LPN's may only administer oral, IM, and topical medications, change dressings, and perform tasks under the license of an RN, who must sign off that these things are done. Some states allow LPN's to obtain special IV medication certificates.
AFAIK, LPN school revolves a lot around hands on clinical work, etc... and doesn't go very deep into systems.
Someone correct me if I am wrong about TN.
Nehemiah
04-21-2011, 11:05 PM
Is Nancy Grace a nightly program? We don't have it here in Canada. Maybe on the specialty stations...
yes it is
AmandaReckonwith
04-21-2011, 11:08 PM
Case archive album with pics, vids, articles:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/
kaik26
04-21-2011, 11:11 PM
OK, there were posts early on about the geocache at the cave, did someone end up reporting that to LE? NOT because the person is a suspect, but they were ALL over Decatur county on the 13th, including old Rt 69, Natchez Trace Park, and everywhere in between. That's not unusual at all for a cacher with his numbers to do, but it does mean he might be an unknowing witness.
Hey Sarx, I PM'ed Miziree to see if they reported it, if not I will do it.
Are trucks with the drive up ramps for atv/motorcycles popular in that area? (Thus eliminating a trailer)
Irish_Eyes
04-21-2011, 11:16 PM
As to the neighbor who heard the scream, do we know where that person lives?
froginTtown
04-21-2011, 11:28 PM
My apologies everyone if I seemed snarky about my last post... I will go back and edit it..
My apologies everyone if I seemed snarky about my last post... I will go back and edit it..
You ARE very grumpy tonight. LOL, just kiddin':great:
froginTtown
04-21-2011, 11:37 PM
LOL..sarx...
It's spring break for the kids...!!! I live in an apt. and it's been raining nearly every day..!!! Yeah.. just a LITTLE grumpy... lol... but it's quiet time now..:D
liz b.
04-21-2011, 11:39 PM
I wonder what it was specifically that made Holly's brother believe that it was her boyfriend leading her into the woods ? Did Drew ever come to the house at 7:30 before ? Was he known to have Holly walk in the woods ? Also,did Drew often dress in full camo ? Just some thoughts...
JMO
CHARLISA
04-21-2011, 11:43 PM
http://http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-tennessee-woman-idUSTRE73K8EC20110421
just read this article and it states the brother didnt' go outside for about an hour after first seeing his sister going across yard ??? Is this the first time they have said it was an hour later?
I'm starting to think that every article says something different and totally different too. Everyone is so busy trying to scoop each other that they don't get the info correctly IMO
BTW, your puppy in your avatar is precious. :)
CHARLISA
04-21-2011, 11:45 PM
I wonder what it was specifically that made Holly's brother believe that it was her boyfriend leading her into the woods ? Did Drew ever come to the house at 7:30 before ? Was he known to have Holly walk in the woods ? Also,did Drew often dress in full camo ? Just some thoughts...
JMO
He's dressed in full camo on FB & it also sounds like he is an avid hunter. I would like to know how tall he is tho?
s_finch
04-21-2011, 11:46 PM
As to the neighbor who heard the scream, do we know where that person lives?
No, we don't. In all the cases I've followed through the years, this one can be noted for what we don't know and the fact that LE has chosen to release almost nothing. I will say that this is one LE department and group of agencies who definitely know how to keep quiet! Not one blabber mouth among them, lol, which is good since that is how they believe this needs to be done.
I can tell you we do know that: 1) Holly has disappeared 2) her brother saw her from a window at the edge of the woods with a person dressed in camo but didn't worry cuz he thought it was a boyfriend/friend 3) some time later blood was found in car port 4) some time that morning brother realized something was wrong and called 911 5) a female also called 911 claiming to have heard a scream 6) Holly's lunch box was found 8 miles away and nearby a piece of duct tape with blonde hair attached was found, no confirmation on if it was Holly's hair 7) the community has turned out in droves to search for Holly 8)LE is tightlipped 9) the governor early on contributed a significant amount of money to the reward which I believe now stands at 80K
My opinion, which counts for nothing, is that LE has some really good info and are waiting on a few final pieces to fall into place---that is why they are being so quiet. And I'm afraid Holly isn't going to be found alive and LE knows that which is why they are methodically and quietly building this case--no leaks, no heads up to the perp, no slip ups for a defense lawyer to treasure,,,,, If the duct tape with hair which was found was Holly's and if she was deceased when the duct tape was removed from her then there would be a death band around the base of the hair follicle,,,I'm afraid that is what has been found,,,,just my opinion.
froginTtown
04-21-2011, 11:57 PM
Excellent post finch...!!! that sums it up VERY nicely...
but was the duct tape found nearby the lunch box..?? I'm unclear on that and just wondering..
A death band on the hair of the duct tape is an excellent observation... I never even thought about that....!!
If the lab does show that, then they know that the perp it sending them on a wild goose chase on finding a live Holly..
Blondie in Spokane
04-21-2011, 11:59 PM
great synopsis, s finch!
Great thoughts finch.
I keep hoping that if she had died right there early on (because of the tape or injury) that he would have dumped her early on in the first miles and she would have been found. This makes me think she was alive much longer.
liz b.
04-22-2011, 12:13 AM
He's dressed in full camo on FB & it also sounds like he is an avid hunter. I would like to know how tall he is tho?
Thanks. When I read about the man dressed in camo, I was reminded of that recent awful case in Ohio, where a mom and two kids were abducted and killed...Don't remember names.But one of the kids had told someone that he saw a man dressed in camo who seemed to be watching the house... Not connected but very creepy...
JustyThoughts
04-22-2011, 12:16 AM
Please tell me a bit more information about a "death band" on hair.
shefner
04-22-2011, 12:21 AM
I hate to admit how confused I am:
~Was the blood in the carport or just flecks in the grass?
~Did Holly's brother call 911...or was it the mom?
~I've heard it reported that the neighbor called Holly's brother...who called the mom...who called 911.
~I've heard that brother saw her being dragged...then no, he saw her being led.
~For 3 days, this was reported as a "home invasion" but there apparently wasn't an invasion of the home at all.
~Did Holly scream? Can a neighbor a half mile away hear that? Did brother not hear it?
~Did Holly carry her things in a backpack...or did she just carry her books and lunch bag and pocket book in her arms and never drop any of them in the grass near the area where she was initially abducted?
~No phone pings? Every 20 year old starting out for the school day will have a fully charged phone, that's turned on.
~We've heard nothing from the boyfriend, the ex-boyfriend(s), or the brother. Is that not amazing? I can hear a pine needle drop into a pile of wooded leaves.
~Thousands of mostly inexperienced volunteers trampling over miles of woods in search of a madman...or a member of the community...both? Sounds like the JonBenet Ramsey case, in which countless people roamed the house, contaminating valuable evidence at the scene of the crime.
I don't think I should go on...the list of questions is almost endless.....
cluciano63
04-22-2011, 12:22 AM
Maybe there are more clues in the woods but I really think he got her to vehicle as quickly as possible and the only clue we know of away from scene is the lunch box, which may not mean much except that at some point they or he passed by there.
I certainly hope LE has info and a reason to search the river today (obviously I do not hope she is in there) but at this point, it could go either way; they know a lot or nothing much at ll.
cluciano63
04-22-2011, 12:24 AM
I hate to admit how confused I am:
~Was the blood in the carport or just flecks in the grass? We don't know
~Did Holly's brother call 911...or was it the mom? Brother and neighbor as far as know
~I've heard it reported that the neighbor called Holly's brother...who called the mom...who called 911. Brother called mom at work, I believe
~I've heard that brother saw her being dragged...then no, he saw her being led.
~For 3 days, this was reported as a "home invasion" but there apparently wasn't an invasion of the home at all.
~Did Holly scream? Can a neighbor a half mile away hear that? Did brother not hear it? Neighbor said they heard a scream...
~Did Holly carry her things in a backpack...or did she just carry her books and lunch bag and pocket book in her arms and never drop any of them in the grass near the area where she was initially abducted?
We don't know...LE told searchers to look for books, purse, phone
~No phone pings? Every 20 year old starting out for the school day will have a fully charged phone, that's turned on. Nothing from LE on phone or pings
~We've heard nothing from the boyfriend, the ex-boyfriend(s), or the brother. Is that not amazing? I can hear a pine needle drop into a pile of wooded leaves.
~Thousands of mostly inexperienced volunteers trampling over miles of woods in search of a madman...or a member of the community...both? Sounds like the JonBenet Ramsey case, in which countless people roamed the house, contaminating valuable evidence at the scene of the crime.
I don't think I should go on...the list of questions is almost endless.....
I tried to answer some of above...but there are so few answers...whoops, my bolding did not take...
s_finch
04-22-2011, 12:27 AM
I hate to admit how confused I am:
~Was the blood in the carport or just flecks in the grass?
~Did Holly's brother call 911...or was it the mom?
~I've heard it reported that the neighbor called Holly's brother...who called the mom...who called 911.
~I've heard that brother saw her being dragged...then no, he saw her being led.
~For 3 days, this was reported as a "home invasion" but there apparently wasn't an invasion of the home at all.
~Did Holly scream? Can a neighbor a half mile away hear that? Did brother not hear it?
~Did Holly carry her things in a backpack...or did she just carry her books and lunch bag and pocket book in her arms and never drop any of them in the grass near the area where she was initially abducted?
~No phone pings? Every 20 year old starting out for the school day will have a fully charged phone, that's turned on.
~We've heard nothing from the boyfriend, the ex-boyfriend(s), or the brother. Is that not amazing? I can hear a pine needle drop into a pile of wooded leaves.
~Thousands of mostly inexperienced volunteers trampling over miles of woods in search of a madman...or a member of the community...both? Sounds like the JonBenet Ramsey case, in which countless people roamed the house, contaminating valuable evidence at the scene of the crime.
I don't think I should go on...the list of questions is almost endless.....
We're all confused, so don't feel alone. LE isn't releasing any info other than blood was found, she was seen with someone in camo near edge of woods, her lunch box was found 8 miles away.........they aren't telling about pings, LE has apparently asked family and friends to remain quiet and they are, they aren't even releasing whose blood it was that was found although those tests are back,,,, I believe we're gonna all stay confused until this breaks wide open.
s_finch
04-22-2011, 12:30 AM
My apologies everyone if I seemed snarky about my last post... I will go back and edit it..
I understand where you're coming from in that post. :seeya:
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 12:31 AM
I'm beginning to think that the perp is leaving a false trail for the searchers...
They are telling searchers to look for items that are from a purse or book and papers... How often do you hear of a trail like that... I believe that Holly is still alive... but that the perp wanted the extra luggadge (sp) to be able to create a false trail... I think this because how long would a perp allow his victim to carry potential evidence.. such as books and a purse etc... If most of the items were in a bookbag, I'd think he'd gotten rid of that the first chance he had..burning it or whatever..
It has to be one of 2 things..:
- The perp took Holly and restrained her while he left a false trail from her belongings.
- Holly is leaving a trail through the woods..
Given the distance between the search areas.. I believe the perp scattered her things several places to through LE off...
For a perp to go through that much trouble... I think she is still with us... and I hope they find her very soon...
as always... JMO at this moment anywho...lol
evelyn24
04-22-2011, 12:34 AM
As to the neighbor who heard the scream, do we know where that person lives?
Also, has LE came out and said the neighbor called 911 in addition to Holly's brother?
s_finch
04-22-2011, 12:38 AM
Great thoughts finch.
I keep hoping that if she had died right there early on (because of the tape or injury) that he would have dumped her early on in the first miles and she would have been found. This makes me think she was alive much longer.
Sarx, I don't understand the lunch box and possible duct tape w/hair -- I too tend to believe they were left to draw others off track. Course we don't know the duct tape and hair came from the perp/Holly, LE hasn't said (although we know they know---so since we know they know but they haven't said it isn't Holly's then that makes me think that it is, hope that makes sense). I don't necessarily believe there is a death band on the hair IF it is Holly's, but it does seem to me that LE is operating from a point of "recovery" rather than "rescue" and therefore I'm grasping at straws as to what would make them think she is deceased.
What do you think, Sarx? Does it seem to you LE is in "rescue" mode? You know I appreciate your input.
Here's another thread that talks about the "death ring" on hair
What do we know about hair decomp ***REVISITED*** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Irish_Eyes
04-22-2011, 12:42 AM
We're all confused, so don't feel alone. LE isn't releasing any info other than blood was found, she was seen with someone in camo near edge of woods, her lunch box was found 8 miles away.........they aren't telling about pings, LE has apparently asked family and friends to remain quiet and they are, they aren't even releasing whose blood it was that was found although those tests are back,,,, I believe we're gonna all stay confused until this breaks wide open.
I've been following this case from the very beginning and the reason I ask about the neighbor is I saw on here (but w/o links) that the neighbor heard the scream and called mom who called brother who went outside saw the blood and called 911. So if the neighbor heard and the brother didn't LE probably knew pretty quickly which way they headed....also the neighbor seems to have been close enough to hear clearly enough to recognize it as Holly screaming....otherwise why call the mom?
I think that he's leaving a trail on purpose. I don't think she would get away with leaving a trail herself, he'd notice. Totally just my guess, I've been saying it for several days now, so I might as well stick with it, lol.
I don't think she was dead early on, now I'm not as confident, but that may just be statistics coming into play because my gut also says she was alive for several days, so she still could be.
I have all along felt that it is someone she knows on the fringe, not closely at all, but she recognized him and wasn't freaked by him being there. I still think he may not live right there, but is within 20 miles and knows the area well because of either hunting or a job perhaps.
I think he may have left other evidence there while he laid in wait, perhaps cigarette butts or something like that. I hope they found them before the mass of searchers showed up.
There are tracks I'm sure of it.
I think he knew where he was taking her, she's somewhere enclosed, some shack or something I think. I have a feeling that he may have come back to deposit the "evidence". I think he's also been involved and keeping tabs.
A new thought....Do they have any gardeners, handymen, anyone like that who she would recognize but not "know"?
Wow, so that's what I think..... Now that I've totally laid it out there let's see how wrong I am, lol! (Watch it's all wrong. Wouldn't be the first time!)
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 12:52 AM
To explain the hair death band in a nut shell...
It is a distinct marking on a hair that has been removed from a DECEASED person... not to be confused with a hair that has fallen out of someone alive..
cluciano63
04-22-2011, 12:55 AM
I have a hard time thinking rescue when they take a whole day to search in the river. I don't believe LE is trying to find pieces of evidence in the river, when they haven't yet found Holly. Evidence is crucial of course, but not the priority here.
DNeecie
04-22-2011, 01:04 AM
Did anyone ever find out exactly where on the Tennessee river they were searching?
s_finch
04-22-2011, 01:11 AM
Please tell me a bit more information about a "death band" on hair.
"When hairs originate from a body in a state of decomposition, a dark band may appear near the root of the hair. This characteristic has been labeled a postmortem root band."
http://www2.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/july2000/deedric1.htm
There is also a photo of a postmortem root band at this link
thesaint
04-22-2011, 01:11 AM
I agree with Frog and finch and sarx that the open and obvious evidence they've collected most likely was left as a false trail by the perp to throw off the investigation.
Early on I thought the brother being at the house was a mistake by Holly's abductor:
"That the perp might have missed the possibility of the brother being there (and this seems like a fairly important detail) suggests that the perp was not from the area and not familiar with the Bobo family except through arm's length information. "
This far on, I'm thinking maybe that in line with the above theories
[(i) the perp was caught off guard by the brother's presence (ii) the perp deliberately left an evidence trail far away from the home],
that on realizing that Holly's brother was home he (the abductor) realizes he doesn't have the multiple hour head start he had anticipated. So he panicked and did the awful deed and then took off and on his way out of the area left an evidence trail to maybe guide the initial search efforts away from the location where he left Holly.
katydid23
04-22-2011, 01:12 AM
I think that he's leaving a trail on purpose. I don't think she would get away with leaving a trail herself, he'd notice. Totally just my guess, I've been saying it for several days now, so I might as well stick with it, lol.
I don't think she was dead early on, now I'm not as confident, but that may just be statistics coming into play because my gut also says she was alive for several days, so she still could be.
I have all along felt that it is someone she knows on the fringe, not closely at all, but she recognized him and wasn't freaked by him being there. I still think he may not live right there, but is within 20 miles and knows the area well because of either hunting or a job perhaps.
I think he may have left other evidence there while he laid in wait, perhaps cigarette butts or something like that. I hope they found them before the mass of searchers showed up.
There are tracks I'm sure of it.
I think he knew where he was taking her, she's somewhere enclosed, some shack or something I think. I have a feeling that he may have come back to deposit the "evidence". I think he's also been involved and keeping tabs.
A new thought....Do they have any gardeners, handymen, anyone like that who she would recognize but not "know"?
Wow, so that's what I think..... Now that I've totally laid it out there let's see how wrong I am, lol! (Watch it's all wrong. Wouldn't be the first time!)
I hope she is still alive but I am losing faith as time goes on. But I do think she was alive for the first few days at least. This guy was not going just for any random girl, he wanted her specifically. So I don't think he would kill her quickly, like a random opportunity killer might.
I think he had it planned well, and had a specific place to hide out with her.
I think he had a vehicle hidden close by and that hour before the 911 call gave him plenty of time to get away.
You asked about handymen etc. Her Dad ran a large tree trimming business. So there is a large pool of potential suspects right there. Also, having an older brother brings a lot of older, curious males into her life as well. He hunted and so he may have accidentally brought a weirdo into his sisters life that way.
RoseRed
04-22-2011, 01:17 AM
My opinion, which counts for nothing, is that LE has some really good info and are waiting on a few final pieces to fall into place---that is why they are being so quiet. And I'm afraid Holly isn't going to be found alive and LE knows that which is why they are methodically and quietly building this case--no leaks, no heads up to the perp, no slip ups for a defense lawyer to treasure,,,,, If the duct tape with hair which was found was Holly's and if she was deceased when the duct tape was removed from her then there would be a death band around the base of the hair follicle,,,I'm afraid that is what has been found,,,,just my opinion.
Could someone jog my memory as to how long after death does it take for the death band on hair to show up?
cluciano63
04-22-2011, 01:22 AM
I wonder if the vehicle Holly was ready to get into was the only one there at the time, so the abductor assumed she was the last one in the house. Or was there another car/truck belonging to brother there as well?
vjlaw
04-22-2011, 01:23 AM
There are rivers around where I live. There all sorts of places people camp and do drugs along the rivers. Maybe this guy camped along the river waiting for morning before he went to the residence. Just a thought about evidence they may be looking for around the river area.
lillys
04-22-2011, 01:23 AM
I think that he's leaving a trail on purpose. I don't think she would get away with leaving a trail herself, he'd notice. Totally just my guess, I've been saying it for several days now, so I might as well stick with it, lol.
I don't think she was dead early on, now I'm not as confident, but that may just be statistics coming into play because my gut also says she was alive for several days, so she still could be.
I have all along felt that it is someone she knows on the fringe, not closely at all, but she recognized him and wasn't freaked by him being there. I still think he may not live right there, but is within 20 miles and knows the area well because of either hunting or a job perhaps.
I think he may have left other evidence there while he laid in wait, perhaps cigarette butts or something like that. I hope they found them before the mass of searchers showed up.
There are tracks I'm sure of it.
I think he knew where he was taking her, she's somewhere enclosed, some shack or something I think. I have a feeling that he may have come back to deposit the "evidence". I think he's also been involved and keeping tabs.
A new thought....Do they have any gardeners, handymen, anyone like that who she would recognize but not "know"?
Wow, so that's what I think..... Now that I've totally laid it out there let's see how wrong I am, lol! (Watch it's all wrong. Wouldn't be the first time!)
I have a feeling you could be close on this sarx.
s_finch
04-22-2011, 01:24 AM
I think that he's leaving a trail on purpose. I don't think she would get away with leaving a trail herself, he'd notice. Totally just my guess, I've been saying it for several days now, so I might as well stick with it, lol.
I don't think she was dead early on, now I'm not as confident, but that may just be statistics coming into play because my gut also says she was alive for several days, so she still could be.
I have all along felt that it is someone she knows on the fringe, not closely at all, but she recognized him and wasn't freaked by him being there. I still think he may not live right there, but is within 20 miles and knows the area well because of either hunting or a job perhaps.
I think he may have left other evidence there while he laid in wait, perhaps cigarette butts or something like that. I hope they found them before the mass of searchers showed up.
There are tracks I'm sure of it.
I think he knew where he was taking her, she's somewhere enclosed, some shack or something I think. I have a feeling that he may have come back to deposit the "evidence". I think he's also been involved and keeping tabs.
A new thought....Do they have any gardeners, handymen, anyone like that who she would recognize but not "know"?
Wow, so that's what I think..... Now that I've totally laid it out there let's see how wrong I am, lol! (Watch it's all wrong. Wouldn't be the first time!)
Thanks! The perp definitely was organized, had a plan. You would know about tracks, Sarx, so I'm sure you're right. I don't see how there couldn't be something for at least trained eyes to see and noses to follow. I worry, but apparently LE hasn't, about all the volunteers tramping everywhere, and the fact that LE isn't worried tells me lots of different things. I tend to think that LE is allowing and encouraging searches to continue because the perp is local and he will participate in the searches, how could he not without looking suspicious. The same for the vigil the other night. The fact that LE is so closed mouthed on this would drive the perp crazy, so he would want to be involved in searches/ vigils just to try to learn what LE knows, IMO.
Just thinking out loud and above is my opinion.
Did anyone ever find out exactly where on the Tennessee river they were searching?
Brodie's Landing area.
s_finch
04-22-2011, 01:32 AM
Could someone jog my memory as to how long after death does it take for the death band on hair to show up?
I've been searching for that info and haven't found anything.
RoseRed
04-22-2011, 01:35 AM
I've been searching for that info and haven't found anything.
Thank you, looking also but have not found anything yet.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 01:36 AM
They said they were waiting on a lab for evidence and it would help clear up alot of things... (paraphrasing)
Maybe the evidence was the duct tape and they did find the death band on it the same day that the blood results came back...They called off the search to regroup LE becuz they realized they where being doofed.. No searchers today and they are searching the Tenn. River..?? That's a leap.. I'm thinking they got a tip to lead them there...
CHARLISA
04-22-2011, 01:48 AM
Thank you, looking also but have not found anything yet.
I think I found the answer (it was from the Casey Anthony case and was on Nancy Grace). Below is the exchange between NG & Dr. Lawrence Kobilnsky, a forensic scientist:
GRACE: And Koby, how long does it take post-mortem -- after death -- for the band, the dark band, to appear between the shaft and the nucleus, the root of the hair?
KOBILINSKY: Well, there haven`t been very many studies, but it happens over a very short time course -- hours, and perhaps a day, perhaps two days. But it should form and they should be able to see it.
here is the link: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/01/ng.01.html
Hope this helps...
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 01:49 AM
Here's a map to Brodie's landing road.... Please note that the "A" point is only directing to the road... It leads directly to the Tenn. River.. you can zoom in or out on your mouse..
brodies landing rd parsons tn - Google Maps
cluciano63
04-22-2011, 01:52 AM
I did some googling and only found that a death band "may" form on hair after death...in any case, I don't think it is a definitive thing. I think if it is there, they may be able to say, yes this was post-death, but if it is not present, that may not be indicative either way.
DNeecie
04-22-2011, 01:55 AM
Here's a map to Brodie's landing road.... Please note that the "A" point is only directing to the road... It leads directly to the Tenn. River.. you can zoom in or out on your mouse..
brodies landing rd parsons tn - Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=brodies+landing+rd+parsons+tn&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brodies+Landing+Rd,+Parsons,+Tennessee&gl=us&ll=35.706377,-88.108292&spn=0.053248,0.164795&t=h&z=13)
Thanks! I see they only noted one road block. Is that the only one confirmed? I'd like to see if and where they were position between HB house and the river.
s_finch
04-22-2011, 01:55 AM
Brodie's Landing area.
So I did a Google Map and from Brodie's Landing (where it ends at the river) to Holly's residence varies from 13 to 16 miles depending on how you travel and takes between 29 to 31 minutes. (NOTE: Brodie's Landing is actually a long road that begins at Hwy 69 and ends at the river, so since someone said on here that LE is searching the river, that is the spot I mapped, where Brodie's Landing ends at the river. )
s_finch
04-22-2011, 01:57 AM
[QUOTE=DNeecie;6374535]Thanks! I see they only noted one road block. Is that the only one confirmed? I'd like to see if and where they were position between HB house and the river.[/QUOTE
Go to the first post in this thread and you will see a link to a great map put together by HollyE, it shows where a road block was held on 4/19 and to answer your question, the road block on that date was not between her house and the river, was actually in the other direction.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:04 AM
I think that the point about the duct tape and a death band on the hair would be that duct tape is not easily removed... and that the perp removed it from a deceased Holly. Something that could not happen from wild life or animals... and the perp placed it far from where Holly actually is to through the LE off...
I really think that is why they called the searches off...!! JMO..
Emma Peel
04-22-2011, 02:09 AM
one lone hair in the trunk of Casey's car had a death band.
mitochondrial DNA - which matches down the female line - confirms that the hair is either Casey or Cindy or Cindy's mother or Caylee's hair.
Gosh who's hair is it?
Which of the three who's hair that could possibly be - who's mitochondrial DNA was found on the death-banded hair from the trunk of Casey's car?
Casey was eating chili. Cindy was serving chili. Grandma was looking for missing checks...
oh wait!
Where was Caylee?
:waitasec:
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death bands denote that the hair with the death band fell out of the head of a person who was dead at the time of the hair loss. refer to caylee anthony case.
:cow:
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:09 AM
Link to the map.. I keep it in my fav's..lol.. lots of use... :)
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=35.803892,-88.118591&spn=0.423233,1.049194&z=11
Emma Peel
04-22-2011, 02:11 AM
why are we talking about death bands? did I miss something? TIA!
daisy.faithfull
04-22-2011, 02:11 AM
Thanks! The perp definitely was organized, had a plan. You would know about tracks, Sarx, so I'm sure you're right. I don't see how there couldn't be something for at least trained eyes to see and noses to follow. I worry, but apparently LE hasn't, about all the volunteers tramping everywhere, and the fact that LE isn't worried tells me lots of different things. I tend to think that LE is allowing and encouraging searches to continue because the perp is local and he will participate in the searches, how could he not without looking suspicious. The same for the vigil the other night. The fact that LE is so closed mouthed on this would drive the perp crazy, so he would want to be involved in searches/ vigils just to try to learn what LE knows, IMO.
Just thinking out loud and above is my opinion.
Since it would take the monster alot of time to construct the plan, I don't understand why he would deviate from it. On that day Holly was on different schedule because she had practicals.
Maybe he knew that Holly was on a different schedule. If that is the case though I would think that he would have wanted to plan the abduction for a day that Holly had normal classed. I'd think that her absence from her practicals would have set bells off alot sooner than if she was in one of her courses blending in with the crowd and even if her profs did notice she was not in class I don't think anyone would be alarmed because students skip classes all the time.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:13 AM
and what did Casey say about that...??
Well, it obviously not mine.. duh
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:14 AM
We are thinking that LE found out that the hair on the duct tape may have a death band on it...
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:18 AM
mind you... THINKING... not trying to start rumors...lol.. Theorizing.. yeah ...thats it...:)
DNeecie
04-22-2011, 02:18 AM
I'm starting to think LE has a POI. I was just wondering if maybe the place they were searching on the river was near this person's property. I know where I live there is only a couple of places that you can go to get a boat in the Tennessee river so I'm probably wrong. That's why I was asking about other road blocks because I only see one noted on Hollye's map.
Emma Peel
04-22-2011, 02:19 AM
We are thinking that LE found out that the hair on the duct tape may have a death band on it...
IIRC, the death band is a microscopic analysis - found in the follicle area of the hair. Had they found that sort of evidence, LE would have known the result (death band) almost immediately. They would know the hair came from someone who'd died.
They'd have to send the hair to the lab for DNA testing though, to confirm it was from the Bobo line. And (IMO) they would know that in a week or less.
And that's about where we are now in this case...sadly...from the day of duct tape discovery...
:cow:
Irish_Eyes
04-22-2011, 02:22 AM
We are thinking that LE found out that the hair on the duct tape may have a death band on it...
There may not be. Call it a gut feeling, but I just don't think so. Who knows if it's even related to the case for sure, although it obviously is something they'd want to test....I know the stats are not good, but do we know that they are treating this as a recovery now and not still a potential rescue?
Irish_Eyes
04-22-2011, 02:23 AM
mind you... THINKING... not trying to start rumors...lol.. Theorizing.. yeah ...thats it...:)
LOL we must have been typing at the same time....missed this, sorry :)
s_finch
04-22-2011, 02:24 AM
mind you... THINKING... not trying to start rumors...lol.. Theorizing.. yeah ...thats it...:)
NO RUMORS, for sure! Theorizing about what could have been found IF hair on duct tape is Holly's -----all speculation, no facts
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:24 AM
A fellow WS poster said the other day that they had nearly every exit blocked on I-40... and LE presence was everywhere...He/she lives in a neighboring county/city...but again.. that was the other day... prob. wed..? I'm lost on my days cuz my son is on spring break and I'm gaining/losing days...LOL
daisy.faithfull
04-22-2011, 02:25 AM
why are we talking about death bands? did I miss something? TIA!
I was wondering the same thing, but maybe its to determine if the hair on the duct take could tell us if Holly was killed immediatly after she was abducted.
The only thing with that though is do the bands appear on the hair immedialty after death and do they form if the hair has been pulled out.
But since it doesn't make sense for this monster to remove the duct tape so soon after the abduction, before he was in a place that no one would hear her screams. He could have knocked her out so she couldn't scream but even then why risk it or spend time doing something that didn't need to be done so soon after the abduction.
I guess he could have taken it off if he killed her, but then again why waste time doing something that wasn't absolutely necessary?
Emma Peel
04-22-2011, 02:26 AM
NO RUMORS, for sure! Theorizing about what could have been found IF hair on duct tape is Holly's -----all speculation, no facts
yah it's one way to try to make sense out of what's going on. trying to figure out what LE knows by now that makes them move in the directions they move.
my theory: the more directions LE moves in ... the less they know...
:cow:
s_finch
04-22-2011, 02:26 AM
There may not be. Call it a gut feeling, but I just don't think so. Who knows if it's even related to the case for sure, although it obviously is something they'd want to test....I know the stats are not good, but do we know that they are treating this as a recovery now and not still a potential rescue?
No we don't know and of course hope it's still in rescue mode. Just us late nighters thinking out loud.
VicVixvi
04-22-2011, 02:28 AM
Brodie's Landing area.
Which is just south of our geocacher jackthebear, sarx. Wish that guy had been there an hour earlier, he would have been right in the middle of it (and still may have been).
s_finch
04-22-2011, 02:28 AM
I was wondering the same thing, but maybe its to determine if the hair on the duct take could tell us if Holly was killed immediatly after she was abducted.
The only thing with that though is do the bands appear on the hair immedialty after death and do they form if the hair has been pulled out.
But since it doesn't make sense for this monster to remove the duct tape so soon after the abduction, before he was in a place that no one would hear her screams. He could have knocked her out so she couldn't scream but even then why risk it or spend time doing something that didn't need to be done so soon after the abduction.
I guess he could have taken it off if he killed her, but then again why waste time doing something that wasn't absolutely necessary?
True and why plant the evidence (IF that is what happened)
MOOOOOOO
Plumeria5
04-22-2011, 02:32 AM
I was wondering the same thing, but maybe its to determine if the hair on the duct take could tell us if Holly was killed immediatly after she was abducted.
The only thing with that though is do the bands appear on the hair immedialty after death and do they form if the hair has been pulled out.
But since it doesn't make sense for this monster to remove the duct tape so soon after the abduction, before he was in a place that no one would hear her screams. He could have knocked her out so she couldn't scream but even then why risk it or spend time doing something that didn't need to be done so soon after the abduction.
I guess he could have taken it off if he killed her, but then again why waste time doing something that wasn't absolutely necessary?
Let's hope Holly was able to remove the duct tape herself. I don't see why the abductor would have removed it either.
Pugnolia
04-22-2011, 02:32 AM
I'm still of the opinion that she may be still be alive. It seems to me that his intent was not for a simple, fast kill, but had intended instead to take her away to a hidden site, and to keep her for his pleasure, and could envision camping out with her for a large piece of time, in a shack or a hunting cabin his family owned.
I believe the site will not be too close to the areas that they are searching and they are, at this time, settled in well.
He'll need to come out to get food and supplies, probably tying and gagging her,and he may even appear in town at the various service stores for provisions. Furthermore, he may join in with rescue work, maybe hang back and just listen along the edges for any information.
I feel this is a crime of passion and lust and obsession, one that has been well thought out.
They could be many miles away, according to this theory, in an area off the Radar, and may not be found for some time to come.
There will be a slip-up in time, and they will be found, of that I truly believe. I can only hope that the find will be a timely one, one which produces a live and relieved, Holly.
I believe, as others have stated before, that he is in charge at all times, and that he would not have allowed her to carry her possessions. He separated her from them in the car (?), and at some time planted them around. I would think there could be evidence of his fingerprints or some DNA on her items unless he was smart enough to wear rubber gloves.
daisy.faithfull
04-22-2011, 02:37 AM
True and why plant the evidence (IF that is what happened)
MOOOOOOO
Well, he probably isn't aware that hair can tell LE that Holly is dead.
As for planting the evidence, I would think that he did it to lead the police down the wrong path. But that would have taken him quite a bit of time that he didn't need to be wasting.
I think the appearance that the evidence was planted is part of the reason the talking heads seem to think that the apparent abduction could he covering up for a different crime.
But I don't think that the brother had anything to do with Holly's abduction, and he would the only one who could set things up like that.
daisy.faithfull
04-22-2011, 02:41 AM
Let's hope Holly was able to remove the duct tape herself. I don't see why the abductor would have removed it either.
I hope that she was able to remove the duct tape but I would think that she would put it back on so he wouldn't know she had gotten it loose. Then when there was a chance that someone could hear her she could take it off easily and scream.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:41 AM
Well.. If I were the perp... I would plant evidence too... far from where Holly is... to through the LE off... which IMO worked...
I think this guy got Holly to where ever he wanted to keep her. (cave,bunker,camper etc..) and handcuffed her to something... He took her belongings and scattered them throughout the county side to through LE off...
If I'm right... this guys clever... and he has this all well thought out...
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:47 AM
Excellent post Pug... I feel the same way...
daisy.faithfull
04-22-2011, 02:50 AM
I'm still of the opinion that she may be still be alive. It seems to me that his intent was not for a simple, fast kill, but had intended instead to take her away to a hidden site, and to keep her for his pleasure, and could envision camping out with her for a large piece of time, in a shack or a hunting cabin his family owned.
I believe the site will not be too close to the areas that they are searching and they are, at this time, settled in well.
He'll need to come out to get food and supplies, probably tying and gagging her,and he may even appear in town at the various service stores for provisions. Furthermore, he may join in with rescue work, maybe hang back and just listen along the edges for any information.
I feel this is a crime of passion and lust and obsession, one that has been well thought out.
They could be many miles away, according to this theory, in an area off the Radar, and may not be found for some time to come.
There will be a slip-up in time, and they will be found, of that I truly believe. I can only hope that the find will be a timely one, one which produces a live and relieved, Holly.
I believe, as others have stated before, that he is in charge at all times, and that he would not have allowed her to carry her possessions. He separated her from them in the car (?), and at some time planted them around. I would think there could be evidence of his fingerprints or some DNA on her items unless he was smart enough to wear rubber gloves.
I thought about the same thing then wondered how he could get Holly out of the area quickly if that is what he was doing that. Unless he had an accomplice, which I don't think is the case.
Good point about his carrying her books. Maybe that is why the brother thought that Holly was going into the forest with her boyfriend.
But then again I would think that the primary objective would be to get Holly to the get away car and keeping her under control until he did so. Carrying books would make that harder to do.
But maybe the evidence wasn't left behind intentially. Maybe once in the forest Holly made an attempt to flee, causing the stuff to drop.
Plumeria5
04-22-2011, 02:53 AM
Well.. If I were the perp... I would plant evidence too... far from where Holly is... to through the LE off... which IMO worked...
I think this guy got Holly to where ever he wanted to keep her. (cave,bunker,camper etc..) and handcuffed her to something... He took her belongings and scattered them throughout the county side to through LE off...
If I'm right... this guys clever... and he has this all well thought out...
He listens to a scanner, the news, knows where they are searching then plants evidence far from there. Otherwise I would think he would be afraid to be wandering around with her belongings. How far was the lunchbox found from a road?
daisy.faithfull
04-22-2011, 02:58 AM
Well.. If I were the perp... I would plant evidence too... far from where Holly is... to through the LE off... which IMO worked...
I think this guy got Holly to where ever he wanted to keep her. (cave,bunker,camper etc..) and handcuffed her to something... He took her belongings and scattered them throughout the county side to through LE off...
If I'm right... this guys clever... and he has this all well thought out...
But didn't the police become involved shortly after the abduction. Would a careful planner want to risk planting the evidence if there was any possibility LE could catch him in the act?
I'm hoping that Holly is alive. It doesn't sound there was a enough blood in the driveway to indicate that it was a serious injury.
For all we know LE is searching the river because it is the next logical step and not because LE got a tip that he put her in the water after he killed her.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 02:58 AM
Just thinking outloud...
Being Holly had an exam that day.. maybe she didn't have many books that day...
Or did she keep everything in a bookbag....??
but LE won't release any info about stuff like that...
My theory... LE didn't want to discuss that because they thought that Holly was leaving a trail...
Even the LE are telling the searchers to look for items from a purse..feminine things... books and papers...
I really hope I'm wrong... but if you were hot on a trail from Holly, would you tell nearly 1,000 searchers to take a break...???
redfish
04-22-2011, 03:02 AM
My gut is telling me a similar story... this trail they are on is a false one. It is just so "pat". I think maybe the trail leads to the river and then its "lost". I too would hope that this scenario means she is safely tucked away.... I am hoping he would not go to this much trouble unless that were true. I don't think LE is quite falling for this story completely, if at all. I hope not and I am praying they have a trove of evidence and leads we know nothing about. In order for this theory to work, she would have to be stashed fairly close, don't you think?
daisy.faithfull
04-22-2011, 03:03 AM
Well I think that it is time for me to go to bed... I can't believe that I finally got through all the thread and was about to share some of my thoughts.
I'm, as always, very impressed with everyones thoughts.
I hope they find Holly soon. This stuff just never makes sense to me. I just don't understand how someone could do abduct, let alone kill someone if that is what happened.
Good nite!
MsFacetious
04-22-2011, 03:04 AM
Since it would take the monster alot of time to construct the plan, I don't understand why he would deviate from it. On that day Holly was on different schedule because she had practicals.
Maybe he knew that Holly was on a different schedule. If that is the case though I would think that he would have wanted to plan the abduction for a day that Holly had normal classed. I'd think that her absence from her practicals would have set bells off alot sooner than if she was in one of her courses blending in with the crowd and even if her profs did notice she was not in class I don't think anyone would be alarmed because students skip classes all the time.
It is possible that on Holly's regular schedule she leaves earlier, at the same time as one or both of her parents... or leaves later at the same time as her brother.
This may be the only day that she leaves alone.
Just as with their schedules I do not think she is home alone a lot, I don't think there was a lot of opportunities for this to occur as she was leaving either.
I think having one person IN the house while Holly was outside was the best option... when the alternative was having another person outside with Holly or inside with Holly.
Plumeria5
04-22-2011, 03:04 AM
Was the lunch box/bag found on Gooch Road? I thought originally they reported it was by a creek?
JustMe42
04-22-2011, 03:07 AM
Does anyone now if there is a boat ramp at the river on this road that they are searching by the river? I also, reading on here, believe they are also searching the river???? Wonder if a POI was spotted that day, or his vehicle was, at the boat ramp with an empty boat trailer? Or was he spotted on the river and thats where they think he put in????
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 03:07 AM
here is a great map showing where searches and such are:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=35.803892,-88.118591&spn=0.423233,1.049194&z=11
daisy.faithfull
04-22-2011, 03:08 AM
Just thinking outloud...
Being Holly had an exam that day.. maybe she didn't have many books that day...
Or did she keep everything in a bookbag....??
but LE won't release any info about stuff like that...
My theory... LE didn't want to discuss that because they thought that Holly was leaving a trail...
Even the LE are telling the searchers to look for items from a purse..feminine things... books and papers...
I really hope I'm wrong... but if you were hot on a trail from Holly, would you tell nearly 1,000 searchers to take a break...???
I just has a thought. Would LE say anything at all about the trail if it was Holly that left it. Wouldn't LE not want this monster to know they were on to him.
Also, if he did find out that Holly left a trail... he could get really angry with her and that would not be a good thing.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 03:11 AM
That's the thing Daisy... It's hard to think like them because we are not like them...Thank God..:)
VicVixvi
04-22-2011, 03:11 AM
It is possible that on Holly's regular schedule she leaves earlier, at the same time as one or both of her parents... or leaves later at the same time as her brother.
This may be the only day that she leaves alone.
Just as with their schedules I do not think she is home alone a lot, I don't think there was a lot of opportunities for this to occur as she was leaving either.
I think having one person IN the house while Holly was outside was the best option... when the alternative was having another person outside with Holly or inside with Holly.
IMO, I doubt this was an abnormal routine for Mom, Dad or Holly (but perhaps for brother ... unknown) because her Dad said at the very first presser that it had to be someone who knew their routine. I take that to mean that they all left the house about the same time each day.
redfish
04-22-2011, 03:13 AM
I was just thinking how all of our theories have a common thread... we all give this guy a lot of credit. I really don't want him to be as smart as we all seem to think he is! If we are right, we could profile him as being much older and experienced than Holly. Probably ex-military? I don't know... just thinking aloud! He should stand out in the community if we are correct.
Pugnolia
04-22-2011, 03:16 AM
I thought about the same thing then wondered how he could get Holly out of the area quickly if that is what he was doing that. Unless he had an accomplice, which I don't think is the case.
Good point about his carrying her books. Maybe that is why the brother thought that Holly was going into the forest with her boyfriend.
But then again I would think that the primary objective would be to get Holly to the get away car and keeping her under control until he did so. Carrying books would make that harder to do.
But maybe the evidence wasn't left behind intentially. Maybe once in the forest Holly made an attempt to flee, causing the stuff to drop.
He could have let Holly carry the books to the car at a rather rushed rate, holding her arm so as to keep control of her, and then, once at the car, separated her from the books, discarding them later. Remember, the lunch box was found 8 miles away, and I'm not sure how close to the box the tape was found. It appears to me that she was quite quickly ensconced in the car, and I would imagine that her things were scattered around while she was still held captive in the car. Then the escape through back roads to his hiding spot.
The road blocks (5, yesterday?) could have been, also, to trap anyone in the area, as well as to ask drivers coming through what they have seen.
If he's trapped in, well, at some point he'll need food or supplies and will have to find a way out.
I hope they continue the road blocks.
JustMe42
04-22-2011, 03:18 AM
I just has a thought. Would LE say anything at all about the trail if it was Holly that left it. Wouldn't LE not want this monster to know they were on to him.
Also, if he did find out that Holly left a trail... he could get really angry with her and that would not be a good thing.
I dont think she left a trail as many places as they have searched. If she left things that far apart, the abductor would have to be driving around with her hanging out the window throwing stuff. I just dont believe it.
I think they acually believe she is "gone" and believe he got rid of her somewheres in the area. Thinking about it, if they thought she was being held by an armed man in the woods, I dont think LE would take the chance of unarmed searchers happening upon him and her.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 03:21 AM
I think that they searched Brodies landing (Tenn. river) because it is an obvious area to search..
VicVixvi
04-22-2011, 03:22 AM
Yeah, I tend to believe she was 'stashed' long before any of the items were discarded.
Edit to add:
Although, the one searcher on YT who was posting way too much info seemed to think that HB was indeed leaving a trail ... "Holly if you are watching this, keep doing what you are doing", followed by "but I'm not really supposed to say what that is".
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 03:30 AM
I think it's obvious that he had a vehicle waiting somewhere, or else he would have just stuffed her into her own car and drove off... the easiest get away...
Instead he lead her into the woods on foot...?? This was definately planned...
JustMe42
04-22-2011, 03:30 AM
Yeah, I tend to believe she was 'stashed' long before any of the items were discarded.
Edit to add:
Although, the one searcher on YT who was posting way too much info seemed to think that HB was indeed leaving a trail ... "Holly if you are watching this, keep doing what you are doing", followed by "but I'm not really supposed to say what that is".
Do you really think LE would have told him and all the other searchers something she was doing that may help them find her if she was doing something? Doesnt LE believe he is someone local? He would find out too.
VicVixvi
04-22-2011, 03:41 AM
Do you really think LE would have told him and all the other searchers something she was doing that may help them find her if she was doing something? Doesnt LE believe he is someone local? He would find out too.
Well, it would depend on what they were told to look for. Also, perhaps he was on a search party that discovered items that indicated HB had planted them & not the perp. I'm thinking something like a note or some such.
You'd just have to watch this guy's videos to believe it. He is very sincere (so I believe he was actually out searching..) but somewhat of a simpleton (IMO). Using sentences like (paraphrasing here..), "LE told us not to talk to the media, but I'm talking to the public".
His 5th day update has been removed but not his 4th day update. He gave lots of clues in his 4th day update but only said one thing of any significance in his 5th day update so it makes me wonder why it in particular was removed.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 03:50 AM
This guy is a volunteer from Adamsville... He ran his mouth on his site about the searches... He has deleted them now, but he told Holly to keep up the great work.. Keep doing what you are doing and the searchers will find you... (paraphrased).. He also gave the exact location that they were searching... I guess you would have had to have seen it... he gave out more than he should have... and it was all over the internet and here also...
Here's the link... again .. he has deleted the other video's..
http://www.youtube.com/user/rickeydaleshow?blend=22&ob=5
He's also in this MSM video...:
http://www.wmctv.com/category/195967/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=5775313
VicVixvi
04-22-2011, 03:53 AM
This guy is a volunteer from Adamsville... He ran his mouth on his site about the searches... He has deleted them now, but he told Holly to keep up the great work.. Keep doing what you are doing and the searchers will find you... (paraphrased).. He also gave the exact location that they were searching... I guess you would have had to have seen it... he gave out more than he should have...
Here's the link... again .. he has deleted the other video's..
http://www.youtube.com/user/rickeydaleshow?blend=22&ob=5
That's the guy. I didn't realize he'd deleted the others. When I looked the other day, he'd only deleted the 5th day update.
g'nite all, I'm off to bed.
JustMe42
04-22-2011, 04:32 AM
Gets kinda slow around here in the wee hours of mornin
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 04:51 AM
lol... Mick. Im curious about those caves on forks...
Is that a vibe or do you live near there..?? Everyone's insight counts to me..:)
lol... Mick. Im curious about those caves on forks...
Is that a vibe or do you live near there..??
It's purely intuition....I live in California...Hope I'm wrong....hope they go out there and check though.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 04:59 AM
It never hurts... I've tried to get on the "ground view" but I can't... There's no mapping of that area... too rural...
Trino
04-22-2011, 05:32 AM
Does anyone know if the lunch box or duct tape were found along a road or if they were found in the woods. If in the woods, how far from a road?
RoseRed
04-22-2011, 05:37 AM
That's the guy. I didn't realize he'd deleted the others. When I looked the other day, he'd only deleted the 5th day update.
g'nite all, I'm off to bed.
IMO this guy needs to be checked out by TBI and not allowed to join any more searches.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 05:53 AM
There are a few things I got of tonights discussion:
and of course they are fellow posters THOUGHTS not facts...
The possible use of a truck and horse trailer and an ATV... It is possible that he led her to an ATV and drove it into the back of a horse trailer and drove off...
The possible death band on the hair that was attched to the duct tape..
Who's leaving a trail.?? Holly or the perp trying to through LE off the trail by putting Holly's belongings in different area's..
Why would the Governor up the anti on her reward by $50,000... within a few days of her missing..
MY OWN THOUGHT HERE>> I'm suprised that other families that are missing a loved one in the area are not outraged at this Governor for giving an additional $50,000 to find Holly, not to mention the FBI, US Marshalls and an amber alert that is meant for children 17 and under... Don't get me wrong... but EVERY missing person should deserve at least half of the reward and media attention that this is getting...!!!
RoseRed
04-22-2011, 06:01 AM
Is this getting media attention anywhere except TN though? I know it was only on news in my area the first day and no updates since then nothing at all. I am only finding news here facebook and TN news.
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 06:03 AM
The duct tape was found about 3-4 feet from the road... it's on vdeo from a MSM.. but I'm not sure what link... no one knows where the lunch box was found... just a basic description.. near a creek in the woods...
froginTtown
04-22-2011, 06:07 AM
I'm in Ohio... nothing here... ??can't even remember how I stumbled on this case??
TobyWong*
04-22-2011, 06:24 AM
does anyone know what time her parents left that morning? how much time between them leaving and 1st 911 call. i don't understand not releasing the 911 calls. i don't see where it could hurt. I don't think it's fair to leave everyone wondering why they feel the need to with hold that info. imo
annboleyn2011
04-22-2011, 07:21 AM
I live in Atlanta and it has been on Nancy Grace every night this week except for last night. That was only because they found the body of a woman and man in Baltimore.
Skully
04-22-2011, 07:29 AM
The duct tape was found about 3-4 feet from the road... it's on vdeo from a MSM.. but I'm not sure what link... no one knows where the lunch box was found... just a basic description.. near a creek in the woods...
I heard the lunchbox was about 8 miles away near a creek bed. I hope they are searching near her home. I think this lunchbox and duct tape are just red herrings to lead LE away from where she is. I can't view the home or the area closeup on Google Earth but I would be looking for wells with a cover, ground that was just recently planted, or disturbed. Something tells me she is very near the home.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 07:40 AM
that is why this case is so very strange.... they have not released any timeline of events,very little description of perp,no 911 calls released.... it leads everyone to jump to conclusions and that is how rumours start. I would hope they would keep so sort of new info coming so that people keep interested in this case and keep Holly's name in the news.
I think we wont hear any 911 calls because we might hear clint say his sister was DRAGGED in the woods.... I think this is why we are not going to hear them. JMO
hinman
04-22-2011, 07:50 AM
I live in Atlanta and it has been on Nancy Grace every night this week except for last night. That was only because they found the body of a woman and man in Baltimore.Nancy has had it on two nights this week. She did PB last night and Drew Peterson I think Monday.
hinman
04-22-2011, 07:53 AM
does anyone know what time her parents left that morning? how much time between them leaving and 1st 911 call. i don't understand not releasing the 911 calls. i don't see where it could hurt. I don't think it's fair to leave everyone wondering why they feel the need to with hold that info. imoI feel the same way Tony. I don't understand why they can't release this basic info. I feel news media's will stop reporting this case because there is no news to talk about on it. That is a risk the LE take when not releasing anything on a case unfortunately.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 08:08 AM
I think that the point about the duct tape and a death band on the hair would be that duct tape is not easily removed... and that the perp removed it from a deceased Holly. Something that could not happen from wild life or animals... and the perp placed it far from where Holly actually is to through the LE off...
I really think that is why they called the searches off...!! JMO..
What if when he put the tape across Holly's mouth he covered her nose also.
She would not be able to breathe. Maybe he taped her up and left her to go get the ATV he comes back she isnt moving she is unresponsive he rips the tape off its too late. why he would leave the tape is beyond me unless he was in a BIG hurry to remove Hollys body..
Just another scenario!!!! JMOO
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 08:12 AM
I'm starting to think LE has a POI. I was just wondering if maybe the place they were searching on the river was near this person's property. I know where I live there is only a c ouple of places that you can go to get a boat in the Tennessee river so I'm probably wrong. That's why I was asking about other road blocks because I only see one noted on Hollye's map.
There is a RSO home near that Naztchez state Park. and i think the river runs close by there i was wondering if its that guy they caught on the 18th .
hinman
04-22-2011, 08:22 AM
What if when he put the tape across Holly's mouth he covered her nose also.
She would not be able to breathe. Maybe he taped her up and left her to go get the ATV he comes back she isnt moving she is unresponsive he rips the tape off its too late. why he would leave the tape is beyond me unless he was in a BIG hurry to remove Hollys body..
Just another scenario!!!! JMOOGuess I never thought about the tape just laying there. Kind of doesn't make sense. Why would he just pull of the duct tape and throw it down. With as careful as the perp has been it doesn't add up.
hinman
04-22-2011, 08:23 AM
I wonder if they finger printed the car and carport. I am sure they did. I just haven't heard anything about it.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 08:42 AM
Guess I never thought about the tape just laying there. Kind of doesn't make sense. Why would he just pull of the duct tape and throw it down. With as careful as the perp has been it doesn't add up.
Maybe he panicked! I thinkl they got a wealth of information form that tape!
It may have dropped off...Is my guess it was not left intentionally.
not_my_kids
04-22-2011, 08:43 AM
I'll have to go back and find it, but in the 3 page Jackson Sun article about the searchers, published day before yesterday, they stated the stalker from Jackson has been eliminated as a suspect.
Why do people keep saying that searches are suspended? They took one day and suspended civilian searches. They were at the river, but we don't know that's the only place they were searching. As I understand it, civilian searches restart today. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think he's holding her in a cave. Too risky to hold her in one inside the search area, which I have seen as covering at least 30 miles, and being turkey season, too risky too hold her in the woods or caves outside of the search area.
I want to believe this guy is a total evil genius, because that, to me, would increase Holly's chances. Sadly, I think he's not. I think he had a good plan, but that's about it. He blitzed her, led her to the woods, got her to whatever transport vehicle he was using, took off with her, got her far enough away that he wasn't concerned, took what he wanted from Holly, tossed the lunch box so it wasn't in his vehicle, dumped her in the river or buried her, and headed home to clean up and join in the searches on day 2 and commiserate with the community about the evil villain that took Holly.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 08:44 AM
I wonder if they finger printed the car and carport. I am sure they did. I just haven't heard anything about it.
We havent heard anything about anything at all. LOL
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 08:47 AM
I'll have to go back and find it, but in the 3 page Jackson Sun article about the searchers, published day before yesterday, they stated the stalker from Jackson has been eliminated as a suspect.
Why do people keep saying that searches are suspended? They took one day and suspended civilian searches. They were at the river, but we don't know that's the only place they were searching. As I understand it, civilian searches restart today. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think he's holding her in a cave. Too risky to hold her in one inside the search area, which I have seen as covering at least 30 miles, and being turkey season, too risky too hold her in the woods or caves outside of the search area.
I want to believe this guy is a total evil genius, because that, to me, would increase Holly's chances. Sadly, I think he's not. I think he had a good plan, but that's about it. He blitzed her, led her to the woods, got her to whatever transport vehicle he was using, took off with her, got her far enough away that he wasn't concerned, took what he wanted from Holly, tossed the lunch box so it wasn't in his vehicle, dumped her in the river or buried her, and headed home to clean up and join in the searches on day 2 and commiserate with the community about the evil villain that took Holly.
I have to agree!
Trino
04-22-2011, 08:50 AM
File this under "No one has been cleared."
County singer cousin has referenced the brother is a nice guy who wouldn't harm his sister, but does anyone really know what goes on in someone else's house?
While the community has defended the family, ahve the brother's friends defended him?
Just wondering.
hinman
04-22-2011, 08:54 AM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-spokesman-unable-to-answer-questions-criticized
Holly Bobo Abduction: Spokesman unable to answer questions, criticized
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Holly Bobo Abduction: Spokesman unable to answer questions, criticized - National missing persons | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-spokesman-unable-to-answer-questions-criticized#ixzz1KFwNj8lM) http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-spokesman-unable-to-answer-questions-criticized#ixzz1KFwNj8lM
shefner
04-22-2011, 08:56 AM
I am not saying that any one "searcher" who posts videos on YouTube is guilty of anything. But I will say that my instinct, when I first saw him several days ago, is that this would be the type of person who would be involved in this crime.
I have repeatedly felt that the perp may be among the searchers and either has Holly stashed away (in his own home? in a secret location?)....or she is deceased. Sarx said earlier that in some ways we can be encouraged by the fact that no body has yet been found. I agree with that....there is hope Holly is alive, even if the chances seem slim.
I think the perp would be someone arrogant....but also insecure (someone who would brag about things that most of us seriously doubt as truth, in order to boost his importance and esteem). He is brazen....walking up to Holly in broad daylight and leading her away in the woods. He is someone with a plan...who is obsessed with Holly but intimidated by her. I think its someone she knows but maybe not well.
How convenient to hide among the searchers......
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 09:06 AM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-spokesman-unable-to-answer-questions-criticized
Holly Bobo Abduction: Spokesman unable to answer questions, criticized
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Holly Bobo Abduction: Spokesman unable to answer questions, criticized - National missing persons | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-spokesman-unable-to-answer-questions-criticized#ixzz1KFwNj8lM) http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-spokesman-unable-to-answer-questions-criticized#ixzz1KFwNj8lM
Its almost like they are hiding something... i really think the 911 calls wont be releasedbecause we will hear clint say he saw a man DRAG his sister off into the woods.
Why have a spokesman that cant speak?
Sure ppl are concerned fo rthe family but most important ppl wa\nt to know what has happend to HOLLY.
I have never seen a case like this where they wont allow any info out there nada nothing at all.
id like to know whats really really going on.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 09:09 AM
I am not saying that any one "searcher" who posts videos on YouTube is guilty of anything. But I will say that my instinct, when I first saw him several days ago, is that this would be the type of person who would be involved in this crime.
I have repeatedly felt that the perp may be among the searchers and either has Holly stashed away (in his own home? in a secret location?)....or she is deceased. Sarx said earlier that in some ways we can be encouraged by the fact that no body has yet been found. I agree with that....there is hope Holly is alive, even if the chances seem slim.
I think the perp would be someone arrogant....but also insecure (someone who would brag about things that most of us seriously doubt as truth, in order to boost his importance and esteem). He is brazen....walking up to Holly in broad daylight and leading her away in the woods. He is someone with a plan...who is obsessed with Holly but intimidated by her. I think its someone she knows but maybe not well.
How convenient to hide among the searchers......
They involve themselves in the search to keep updated on information.
They like to stay one step ahead.
JMO
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 09:18 AM
The duct tape was found about 3-4 feet from the road... it's on vdeo from a MSM.. but I'm not sure what link... no one knows where the lunch box was found... just a basic description.. near a creek in the woods...
video showed where the lunch bag was purported to have been found. From what I could tell there was a road (paved) not much or any real median or shoulder (no big gravely area) and then some grass (some feet not sure how much but not more than 50 feet?) and then a creek/stream seeming to run parallel to the road.
Some reports state the lunch bag seemed to have been thrown from a vehicle. I dont think it was actually in the stream (as if it had washed there). The video focused on the grass.
fraudqueen
04-22-2011, 09:22 AM
I am surprised a news organization hasn't requested the 911 call under the Freedom of Information Act....IMO.
Everything about this case is bizarre. We've only seen the parents one time, the brother none that I know of. I know everyone handles stuff differently, but my goodness this is all strange. Again, I have seen no pictures of the brother, no one knows if he works, goes to school or stays home all day.
Maybe I've just gotten used to having all the information on these cases down here in Florida. MOO.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 09:22 AM
Good mornin y'all. Looks like it was a kinda pokey nite here last nite...
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 09:26 AM
File this under "No one has been cleared."
County singer cousin has referenced the brother is a nice guy who wouldn't harm his sister, but does anyone really know what goes on in someone else's house?
While the community has defended the family, ahve the brother's friends defended him?
Just wondering.
It seems so far the country singer is the only one to say anything about him except that woman that was on nancy grace.... the one that said he took a poly, If ya notice after she was on they got a family spokesman that dosent speak i think maybe she said too much LOL jmo
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 09:26 AM
I am surprised a news organization hasn't requested the 911 call under the Freedom of Information Act....IMO.
Everything about this case is bizarre. We've only seen the parents one time, the brother none that I know of. I know everyone handles stuff differently, but my goodness this is all strange. Again, I have seen no pictures of the brother, no one knows if he works, goes to school or stays home all day.
Maybe I've just gotten used to having all the information on these cases down here in Florida. MOO.
Florida's sunshine laws make public access easier. But a lot of stuff is still withheld until things are solved or resolved. We just had some double and triple cop shootings and the 911 calls for those killings were released AFTER the suspects were caught (or killed), charged, etc. In one case there is video of one of the murders and a judge ruled it could be released to media only and not the public.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 09:27 AM
It seems so far the country singer is the only one to say anything about him except that woman that was on nancy grace.... the one that said he took a poly, If ya notice after she was on they got a family spokesman that dosent speak i think maybe she said too much LOL jmo
One of those Easter Island statues would make a better spokesperson...
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 09:28 AM
Good mornin y'all. Looks like it was a kinda pokey nite here last nite...
Hi Carla,
Its really been slow. We need to get back on focus lol.....
hinman
04-22-2011, 09:30 AM
Did any one watch the morning shows? Just curious if they carrried the story at all today.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Did any one watch the morning shows? Just curious if they carrried the story at all today.
Just little sound bites that nothing has happened. I have the TV on now but I was out for two hours earlier.
Miziree
04-22-2011, 09:38 AM
OK, there were posts early on about the geocache at the cave, did someone end up reporting that to LE? NOT because the person is a suspect, but they were ALL over Decatur county on the 13th, including old Rt 69, Natchez Trace Park, and everywhere in between. That's not unusual at all for a cacher with his numbers to do, but it does mean he might be an unknowing witness.
I did report it to TBI yesterday by e-mail.
Irish_Eyes
04-22-2011, 09:45 AM
From WBBJ Twitter: Search efforts for Holly Bobo are underway this morning. THP says they have plenty of ATVs but still need more than 500 walkers ASAP to help with search
scorekeeper
04-22-2011, 09:46 AM
I'm in Ohio... nothing here... ??can't even remember how I stumbled on this case??
Fox 28, Columbus, oh ran a piece on Holly's case...nothing new though..but the story is getting out there
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 10:00 AM
Dooes anyone think the family knows she is dead?
The remark Just bring her home any way you can? was that what they said to LEwasnt that the day the blood test came back ? maybe the tape and hair analysis?
To me that said something! I wonder if it struck anyone else that way.
Id love to think her alive but i dont get that feeling sorry.
JMO
I'm guessing the tape is our best bet since industrial type tape rolls (duct, packing, etc) can get pretty nasty and pick up a lot of stuff. It's probably the item most likely to preserve evidence, whether it's fingerprints or anything else. If he ever sat the roll of tape down in his vehicle outside of a bag, perhaps enough fiber or material from the floorboard or seat upholstery would've stuck to the side of the roll of tape to identify the specific make and model of his vehicle. With luck, maybe there's hair, fingerprints, or even skin cells. I know my tape rolls are pretty damn nasty on each side. Hopefully his was.
DNeecie
04-22-2011, 10:06 AM
Never mind
RemingtonSteele
04-22-2011, 10:07 AM
I'm new to this forum. How do I contact a moderator to see if something is okay to post something?
RemingtonSteele
04-22-2011, 10:09 AM
Never mind
Is it okay to post this? I thought I had deleted it quick enough so that I could check with a moderator first.
Sorry of I broke any rules.
LaWanda
04-22-2011, 10:10 AM
I'm new to this forum. How do I contact a moderator to see if something is okay to post something?
Scroll to the bottom of the thread and click on "view forum leaders" .. then send the Mod in charge a PM.
HTH
DNeecie
04-22-2011, 10:10 AM
Is it okay to post this? I thought I had deleted it quick enough so that I could check with a moderator first.
Sorry of I broke any rules.
I seen his video's posted before but I can't say for sure. At the bottom of the page click forum leaders to see who's online to send one of them a pm.
If he's a hunter (or not) and there's dog hair on the tape, I think the specific breed can actually be identified these days. Really, anything on the tape will tell a story. If there's sawdust, for example, he's probably been around wood construction projects.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:14 AM
Try the bottom of the home page... there is a FAQ list and list of mods
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showgroups.php
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 10:15 AM
If he's a hunter (or not) and there's dog hair on the tape, I think the specific breed can actually be identified these days. Really, anything on the tape will tell a story. If there's sawdust, for example, he's probably been around wood construction projects.
True maybe even some of his skin cells...
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:21 AM
True maybe even some of his skin cells...
I got some cheap duct tape here from packing a box... just with normal use its got carpet fiber, fur from three cats, and long blonde hair from 3 diffrent people stuck to the side of the roll.
10EC_Dad
04-22-2011, 10:24 AM
I'm guessing the tape is our best bet since industrial type tape rolls (duct, packing, etc) can get pretty nasty and pick up a lot of stuff. It's probably the item most likely to preserve evidence, whether it's fingerprints or anything else. If he ever sat the roll of tape down in his vehicle outside of a bag, perhaps enough fiber or material from the floorboard or seat upholstery would've stuck to the side of the roll of tape to identify the specific make and model of his vehicle. With luck, maybe there's hair, fingerprints, or even skin cells. I know my tape rolls are pretty damn nasty on each side. Hopefully his was.
I really hate to do this, but can someone bring me up to speed on the duct tape?
Where was it found?
What is the link to Holly?
Thanks so much!
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:28 AM
I really hate to do this, but can someone bring me up to speed on the duct tape?
Where was it found?
What is the link to Holly?
Thanks so much!
A smallish piece of silver duct tape was found away from the house wtih blonde hair stuck to it. The tape is real and has been shown on some of the news video. But the exact location found has not been said and no other details are known. It has not been said if the hairs are Holly's, etc. So thats about it. It isn't new news either. It was found last Thursday or Friday.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 10:31 AM
I got some cheap duct tape here from packing a box... just with normal use its got carpet fiber, fur from three cats, and long blonde hair from 3 diffrent people stuck to the side of the roll.
LOL like i said the duct tape was a wealth of information.
Why do ppl commiting a crime use Duct tape? To me thats one of the things that will give them away. JMO
maybe the guy was wearing gloves.
Kimster
04-22-2011, 10:31 AM
OK folks, I must admit to some sarcasm. It seems like anyone with a FB account, or goes geocaching, or post on YouTube, or has ever driven through Parsons gets listed here as a suspect. So, I thought I would throw the mailman under the bus with them.
I know, I know, no one has been ruled out as a suspect. But that has to be taken with some reasoning or else put the Pope on the list as well. I wish folks would have some logical theory before listing or implying someone as a suspect.
Please pardon my frustration this morning.
Let's not do this again, thank you. It distracts our posters from looking for real clues and is not allowed.
Carry on.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 10:33 AM
A smallish piece of silver duct tape was found away from the house wtih blonde hair stuck to it. The tape is real and has been shown on some of the news video. But the exact location found has not been said and no other details are known. It has not been said if the hairs are Holly's, etc. So thats about it. It isn't new news either. It was found last Thursday or Friday.
it wasnt that small!
DNeecie
04-22-2011, 10:34 AM
HB's FB friends are private now.....I was wondering if they were going to do that. I know if it was my family I would have the second day.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:35 AM
LOL like i said the duct tape was a wealth of information.
Why do ppl commiting a crime use Duct tape? To me thats one of the things that will give them away. JMO
maybe the guy was wearing gloves.
The thing is (like Casey Anthony?) the guy probably used Duct Tape that was laying around the house. So unless he wore gloves the day he bought it at the store, there could be fingerprints, touch DNA, etc. on the tape. Even if it is inconclusive now, if someone is found in the future, the brand and type of tape could be matched to tape found in the suspects house, car, etc. (again as in the Anthony case).
Nehemiah
04-22-2011, 10:36 AM
video showed where the lunch bag was purported to have been found. From what I could tell there was a road (paved) not much or any real median or shoulder (no big gravely area) and then some grass (some feet not sure how much but not more than 50 feet?) and then a creek/stream seeming to run parallel to the road.
Some reports state the lunch bag seemed to have been thrown from a vehicle. I dont think it was actually in the stream (as if it had washed there). The video focused on the grass.
The wind around here has been blowing extremely hard for the last few months. I think it's possible that the wind blew the lunch bag. It's been blowing my patio furniture and cushions out in the fields, and it's heavy furniture.
JMO
CHARLISA
04-22-2011, 10:37 AM
it wasnt that small!
If I'm not mistaken, a reporter pointed it out to LE when he/she was walking thru the woods doing her report.
After watching that ABC tape, I stand corrrected. It said that a volunteer found the duct tape, not a reporter.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:38 AM
HB's FB friends are private now.....I was wondering if they were going to do that. I know if it was my family I would have the second day.
People are ______ not to be private anyway. Only my own friends can see me, no one can search me on FB, and friends of friends can not see me. I will find people all the time set totally public with their phone numbers, addresses, saying hey Im going out to the beach for the day, on vacation, will be in Australia for two months. Im not trying to insult people but man, be safe.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:39 AM
The wind around here has been blowing extremely hard for the last few months. I think it's possible that the wind blew the lunch bag. It's been blowing my patio furniture and cushions out in the fields, and it's heavy furniture.
JMO
Im not sure it would blow a purse size, fairly heavy (from what we have figured) bag, full of lunch, 8 miles from the house. WHen it was found it was said to have looked like it was thrown from a vehicle.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 10:39 AM
[quote=Nehemiah;6375427]The wind around here has been blowing extremely hard for the last few months. I think it's possible that the wind blew the lunch bag. It's been blowing my patio furniture and cushions out in the fields, and it's heavy furniture.
JMO[/quote
Was it that windy last week?
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:40 AM
it wasnt that small!
I guess small is relative given a roll has what 300 feet of tape. It was more like "face size" not "king tut mummy wrapping" size.
DNeecie
04-22-2011, 10:41 AM
People are ______ not to be private anyway. Only my own friends can see me, no one can search me on FB, and friends of friends can not see me. I will find people all the time set totally public with their phone numbers, addresses, saying hey Im going out to the beach for the day, on vacation, will be in Australia for two months. Im not trying to insult people but man, be safe.
I agree! Also I'm sure everyone on her friends list who is public has probably had to put up with a lot of craziness from people thinking they can get the inside scoop from them.
Penelope
04-22-2011, 10:42 AM
Good morning. I am hoping and praying that Holly is found today.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 10:43 AM
If I'm not mistaken, a reporter pointed it out to LE when he/she was walking thru the woods doing her report.
yes i saw it it was on the side of the road. LE was looking at it.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 10:44 AM
I guess small is relative given a roll has what 300 feet of tape. It was more like "face size" not "king tut mummy wrapping" size.
yes yes yess i stand corrected.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:45 AM
In some reports the tape was found with/near/same vacinity as the lunch purse. If this was true it could have been stuck to the bag when it was thrown out. But if it was found somewhere else, it could have been stuck to someones clothes (not intentionally) and fallen off. You know how you can remove a piece of tape and drop it but it gets stuck to you and you dont know it.
grandmaj
04-22-2011, 10:45 AM
Guys if a FB is private we stop discussing it. If a utube is changed and information removed we stop talking about it. Links here, not rumors. And are we only discussing FB or known players? Here is the social networking rule. Read it and follow it please. We don't talk about PMs.
How do the FB's being discussed here fit our criteria under our rules? Here is the rule?
Social Networks
Regarding Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, and other social networking or blog websites: Links may be used to direct posters to view something on a social networking page. But postings on social networking sites are not considered fact; they are rumor. Copying and pasting, or taking screen caps, directly from these pages is not allowed. Paraphrasing is okay. (Exception: If the Twitter or Facebook post belongs to a verified news station, it may be copied. But a link should still be provided.)
Also, social networking pages may only be linked if they are directly related to a case, i.e. the victim or suspect. We don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman, or postal carrier just because they know the main player. We also NEVER link to minor's pages (unless they are the victim). And be sure that the page actually belongs to the person being discussed. Do not link to someone if you are not 100% sure it is the correct person. And if a social networking is set to private and you get in the back way, you may not post what you find. Private means private!
Inviting outside contact or alluding to "private" additional information:
“Inviting” is termed as a post where you invite other members to contact you to find out more information, rather than post it in the forum. This is not allowed and any posts with emails or invitations to contact for more information will either be edited or deleted entirely. This includes use of the Private Message system via comments such as “Check your PMs” or “PM me” posted in discussion threads. Think about it - it's like whispering into someone's ear while you are at a table full of other people. If you want to have a private conversation just have it, don't announce it. Additionally,please don't drop hints or post on the board that you know something or are privy to inside information but you won't or can't post it.
If you can't post it, don't.
These are two areas I'm seeing many many problems with. This post lands at random. Know the rules please and follow them.
Rules Etiquette & Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:46 AM
yes yes yess i stand corrected.
Do you recall a specific video with the tape. I will do a screen cap and post the still picture. Lots of people ask about the tape... might be helpful.
hinman
04-22-2011, 10:54 AM
Do you recall a specific video with the tape. I will do a screen cap and post the still picture. Lots of people ask about the tape... might be helpful.
I don't recall a specific video. But it was near the beginning like second days of search. A reporter went along and she was following a searcher. They found the duct tape and I remember her asking him a question.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 10:54 AM
Do you recall a specific video with the tape. I will do a screen cap and post the still picture. Lots of people ask about the tape... might be helpful.
if i recall its cbs..... i cant be sure but the tape is there clear as day and LE staning there guARDING IT. the reporter is woman,
Nehemiah
04-22-2011, 10:55 AM
[quote=Nehemiah;6375427]The wind around here has been blowing extremely hard for the last few months. I think it's possible that the wind blew the lunch bag. It's been blowing my patio furniture and cushions out in the fields, and it's heavy furniture.
JMO[/quote
Was it that windy last week?
On and off...yes. Didn't mean to imply that it blew it 8 miles; only that it could have been dropped or thrown out somewhere and blown to where it was finally found.
My idea is that the perp simply threw it out the window of his vehicle just to get it out of his possession, and the wind carried it to the final destination.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 10:57 AM
I will go through videos looking for useful frame grabs. It will take me a while. I am not good or fast at that, and am doing othr things online already.
Eileen730
04-22-2011, 11:02 AM
Her eis the video of the duct tape and it seems it is in the same area the lunch box was found.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-search-hundreds-volunteers-comb-woods/story?id=13394953
nursebeeme
04-22-2011, 11:02 AM
morning peeps!
hope everyone is having a good day.
just wanted to chime in, I think that the duct tape was on abc (possibly a gma video?) Also to throw it out there: the LE has dodged any and all duct tape questions and haven't even confirmed it.
here is tbi link to all their press releases in the case as well
http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/news_room/press_release.shtml
not_my_kids
04-22-2011, 11:04 AM
HB's FB friends are private now.....I was wondering if they were going to do that. I know if it was my family I would have the second day.
Um, no they're not. Friends and info are still public for me.
CHARLISA
04-22-2011, 11:07 AM
Here is a pic of duct tape
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/?action=view¤t=HollyBoboSearch_DuctTapeWithHairFound1.jpg
DNeecie
04-22-2011, 11:13 AM
Um, no they're not. Friends and info are still public for me.
Sorry for some reason there are two profiles.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 11:16 AM
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/slinky_chixx/DuctTape.jpg
Ok I hit the jackpot on the duct tape. It was in the first video I looked at. This is it... no other info has been said or made available. We know its for real, but have no clue if it is relevant or not.
nursebeeme
04-22-2011, 11:21 AM
Update: volunteer turnout exceeds 500, as more continue to arrive.
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
norest4thewicked
04-22-2011, 11:22 AM
Wow...has Will Nunley even had a day off? What a fabulous dedication he has. This guy is amazing!
CuriousBystander
04-22-2011, 11:24 AM
Where is the family? No public appearances or pleas for help, volunteers, or for Holly's safe return? What the heck????
nursebeeme
04-22-2011, 11:26 AM
Where is the family? No public appearances or pleas for help, volunteers, or for Holly's safe return? What the heck????
they spoke last thursday (day after it happened)
norest4thewicked
04-22-2011, 11:27 AM
Where is the family? No public appearances or pleas for help, volunteers, or for Holly's safe return? What the heck????
Honestly...if it was my daughter missing...I would be so devastated that I couldn't do anything but cry. I'd have to be sedated. Every day would be worse than the day before. It doesn't surprise me that they aren't being seen. What surprises me is parents who can come out the day of an abduction or murder and talk clearly to the public. This is what shocks me.
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 11:27 AM
Where is the family? No public appearances or pleas for help, volunteers, or for Holly's safe return? What the heck????
They have made some comments initially. To some degree what they do and say publically is probably controlled by LE. If LE tells them to keep quiet...
What they do in private or within the tight knit community I do not know
The Farm
04-22-2011, 11:28 AM
Honestly...if it was my daughter missing...I would be so devastated that I couldn't do anything but cry. I'd have to be sedated. Every day would be worse than the day before. It doesn't surprise me that they aren't being seen. What surprises me is parents who can come out the day of an abduction or murder and talk clearly to the public. This is what shocks me.
Oh my god feel the same way!
peeples
04-22-2011, 11:29 AM
That tape looks like it was just ripped off the roll and thrown on the ground. It doesn't looks used at all.
MOO
The Farm
04-22-2011, 11:30 AM
And I personally do not care what LE is releasing or not releasing,,,as long as the end result is they find Holly.
hinman
04-22-2011, 11:31 AM
That tape looks like it was just ripped off the roll and thrown on the ground. It doesn't looks used at all.
MOO
I didn't think it looked very used either. for being onthe ground and out in the weather.
norest4thewicked
04-22-2011, 11:32 AM
And I personally do not care what LE is releasing or not releasing,,,as long as the end result is they find Holly.
Agreed! I tell you...the day that we saw Holly's mother in her one and only appearance, it just ripped my heart out to see her. :(
CHARLISA
04-22-2011, 11:32 AM
They have made some comments initially. To some degree what they do and say publically is probably controlled by LE. If LE tells them to keep quiet...
What they do in private or within the tight knit community I do not know
Also, the LE might not want them to say anything to feed the ego of the sub human that took Holly. Their police psychologists know the proper procedure better than we do.
nursebeeme
04-22-2011, 11:34 AM
Organizer: search crews will be combing areas of Natchez Trace, and Hwy 641
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
nursebeeme
04-22-2011, 11:36 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=35.856779,-88.051987&spn=0.105738,0.262299&z=13
centered map on highway 641
norest4thewicked
04-22-2011, 11:38 AM
I admit that I haven't read all of the past posts from yesterday...(catching up). Can someone tell me the significance to HWY 641?
Carla Lashelle
04-22-2011, 11:39 AM
Ok this bit lifted off a youtube (ex ABC) video shows the context in which the tape was found... I added the arrow but you can see its the same tape (and plants) as in the close up.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/slinky_chixx/tape2.jpg
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