View Full Version : TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #15
Won'tforgetusername
04-25-2011, 03:29 PM
My mom's group didn't search IN woodlawn shores just near the road that takes
you there on 69.
LegallyBrown
04-25-2011, 03:31 PM
Hi everyone. I am new here but been praying for / thinking about Holly and reading your thoughts for a week now. I think: 1. it was at least initially two people as abductors. It is the only thing that makes sense to me. I think it involved a car very soon after the short term woods scene. 2. it was not a supersmart abduction. I think they just randomly tossed evidence like dumb & dumber. Maybe a robbery gone bad? Tree service guys (loggers) keep cash on hand frequently as a means of operation. Who knew this? 3. They will soon be found I think unless suicide is involved then could take longer. I hope she is still OK. But either way DONT THEY KNOW it is in THEIR/HIS OWN best interest to come forward? They were probably so high on drugs they never imagined all of this attention and now are just scrambling trying to figure all of this out. 4. I trust LE and think they know exactly what they are doing. 5. The brother is in NO way involved IMO. If it were robbery there may be aspects LE & Clint know that they dont think wise to tell right now. Well..its all IMO!
I do have one question for you forensic experts. In testing hair or other evidence would you be able to tell if victim was still alive at that time from the testing? How long would it take to get those type of tests back? That would influence their sense of urgency if they knew that one way or the other. I am still praying hard though!
ensht
04-25-2011, 03:32 PM
That is why I think he is leaving stuff to throw LE off. He may have her held up in a cabin, a vacate one, maybe not even his. He could be out there searching with everyone and leaving stuff, and going back with her at night. you never know.
Maybe but we also don't know if this is really where things are being found either.
If this was a phone and I pray that it is her phone it could be the big break. I hope it's a very new phone/last 6-18 months that does all the things we need it to do to put a lot of the pieces together.
Remember just knowing where the phone had gone prior is huge as they may find more evidence or maybe even find her.
I'm really counting on the fact that this clown watched too many CSI episodes with their simplistic portrayals of things. That would be a huge break for the real LE in this case.
Think about this..... how many times have there been kidnappings where belongings were scattered in the general area? This is all very odd.
another nosey mom
04-25-2011, 03:33 PM
a year ago or so our area had a missing young women (in her 20's) - not sure if any of you have heard about the Colonel of our Cdn Army who was charged with her murder - he was the highest rank at our local base - had a cottage just outside of town - familar with area - camo clothing, etc. He was since charged with another murder and many many many break and enters, etc. etc. etc....
What I am saying is this could be anyone - someone you would never in a million years think is capable of something like this.
They tracked his vehicle down by tire tracks and doing roadside blocks on a normal work day to see who would go back and forth in front of this young lady's home where they were able to take tire tracks from mud and snow. Body was found not far from his cottage where he was living - In the woods
Capri
04-25-2011, 03:33 PM
I'm certain the TBI is very aware of how loudly the clock is ticking.
And not to pick on you at all, but now that I'm typing, I may as well keep going, lol. I have to shake my head when I read posts indignantly asking why LE haven't done this or that, when we really have no idea whether they have or haven't done a certain thing.
I haven't really ever considered myself to be too trusting, but I must be, because I just assumed all those well-trained, experienced LE know what they are doing. :twocents:
It just bothers me when I see people assuming that LE is not smart enough to do the obvious. Like search the pool, or use dogs, or try a metal detector, etc.
Thanks for your patience with me letting this all out in a reply to you. :)
No problem. You are right, too. I am seriously questioning LE at this point & that must have come across to you, rightly so. I know, LE knows more than we do,I'm not doubting that. I'm just feeling the frustration of inconsistencies. I still hope for the best outcome, but starting to realize the best outcome is based on what's left, not some ideal version of Holly throwing breadcrumbs out the window for over a week.
Soul125
04-25-2011, 03:34 PM
I wonder what led searchers to Woodlawn Shores rd? That is a ways off and in the middle of woods it seems. There are some bodies of water around there also. A large area to search.
hollye
04-25-2011, 03:35 PM
Hollye, I am just trying to get caught up today, and I do not know if it has been confirmed that the "substantial" finding was indeed found at the Eaton Plant. I posted a Map last night, which indicates Holly's House and 100 Eaton St. (the Eaton Plant), as I wondered if the perp could navigate through the Bush via ATV or Foot, but Greengreen said that it had not been said where the Substantial finding was found.
Anyway, here is the Map, maybe it will be helpful to you.
Map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=from:+681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn+to:+100+Ea ton+St,+Parsons,+tn&ie=UTF8&t=h&saddr=681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn&daddr=100+Eaton+St,+Parsons,+tn&geocode=FehrIAIdfYy--ilD_F71fGJ8iDFmPvQueqLSHA%3BFYt-IAIdM2y_-iklZOrB4oh8iDGT1BYQOSL-pQ&ll=35.674938,-88.145628&spn=0.017361,0.035963&z=14
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Thanks Wondergirl! I got 100 Eaton Road on my map earlier today, as TriCounty Concrete Products, but then someone (greengreen, I think) said that TriCounty and the Eaton Plant are not exactly the same, but are near each other.
I need to leave to go home and take care of the kids, but will likely be on later tonight after 7:30 or so.
wfgodot
04-25-2011, 03:35 PM
Welcome to WS, Shollenberger and LegallyBrown!
hollye
04-25-2011, 03:36 PM
My mom's group didn't search IN woodlawn shores just near the road that takes
you there on 69.
Were they searching along Woodlawn Shores Road or another road that leads to that road?
Capri
04-25-2011, 03:36 PM
Finding something that belongs to Holly is significant but it also doesn't mean it'll have any value when it comes to finding her or the perp.
It's not really backtracking.
I was more referring to the we're "pretty sure" it's hers.
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 03:37 PM
I had asked this last week about whether LE would need her phone to track and ping it and was told they would not need it...so why so much hoopla if phone WAS found? I'm just not getting it...is it all about fingerprints? If he is tossing things, mighn't he have gloves to go with his camo?
lishac23
04-25-2011, 03:38 PM
Hey folks, new member here. Software architect by trade, amateur sleuth by hobby :)
I have read every post in all threads. Here are my thoughts and my theory FWIW.
Rambling thoughts:
- The perp had this well planned out far in advance. Infatuated male 35+
- The perp used the ruse of a hunter many times to scope out the residence
- The perp threatened HB with gun/knife at point of abduction
- The perp transported HB from ATV to auto to current location
- The perp is taunting LE with placement of clues in random locations
- HB scream occurred closer to neighbors than her own.
- Family has no involvement in this crime
- I believe perp thought HB was home alone.
Still struggling with:
- Blood at the scene. How, who, and why?
- How was ATV transitioned to automobile? Pickup with cover?
I believe this was very well planned by a methodical individual that will not easily be caught.
I feel that HB is alive and the perp wants her to be his long-term sexual possession.
:wagon:
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 03:39 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong. Doesnt LE usually let family talk to media? Isnt that a tool LE uses some times? Like, several cases where a family member, or another POI, has talked to media and what they said didnt add up and was used against them later? Scott Peterson comes to mind.
Also, have you ever seen, or heard of, a case this hush hush?? Its almost as if its a ransom case and they are scared to say anything because they are in some kind of contact with the abductor. Its like they dont wont make the abductor think they know more than they do or he will stop what ever he is doing.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 03:40 PM
No problem. You are right, too. I am seriously questioning LE at this point & that must have come across to you, rightly so. I know, LE knows more than we do,I'm not doubting that. I'm just feeling the frustration of inconsistencies. I still hope for the best outcome, but starting to realize the best outcome is based on what's left, not some ideal version of Holly throwing breadcrumbs out the window for over a week.
I have to agree with you Capri, it might be time to switch tactics...
instead of" silence is golden" how about "the squeeky wheel gets the grease."
JMO
s_finch
04-25-2011, 03:42 PM
What do you mean, "What if this guy is just totally nuts?".....??
Anyone who'd abduct a young woman from their home is obviously 'totally nuts'.
There are different levels of "nutdom"
Won'tforgetusername
04-25-2011, 03:42 PM
They were searching along 69. They just started near the road that takes you into the Woodlawn shores neighborhood. I don't know the name of that rd, but I think they were near mile marker 40 on 69
Plumeria5
04-25-2011, 03:43 PM
Hi everyone. I am new here but been praying for / thinking about Holly and reading your thoughts for a week now. I think: 1. it was at least initially two people as abductors. It is the only thing that makes sense to me. I think it involved a car very soon after the short term woods scene. 2. it was not a supersmart abduction. I think they just randomly tossed evidence like dumb & dumber. Maybe a robbery gone bad? Tree service guys (loggers) keep cash on hand frequently as a means of operation. Who knew this? 3. They will soon be found I think unless suicide is involved then could take longer. I hope she is still OK. But either way DONT THEY KNOW it is in THEIR/HIS OWN best interest to come forward? They were probably so high on drugs they never imagined all of this attention and now are just scrambling trying to figure all of this out. 4. I trust LE and think they know exactly what they are doing. 5. The brother is in NO way involved IMO. If it were robbery there may be aspects LE & Clint know that they dont think wise to tell right now. Well..its all IMO!
I do have one question for you forensic experts. In testing hair or other evidence would you be able to tell if victim was still alive at that time from the testing? How long would it take to get those type of tests back? That would influence their sense of urgency if they knew that one way or the other. I am still praying hard though!
I agree with your # 1 that there may well have been 2 abductors...maybe the tip was called in by the 2nd abductor. Second guessing whether he should turn himself in, wanting a deal. The 2 abductors may have had a falling out, disagreeing on what to do next. (I know, I know. I watch too much crime tv.)
Legally Brown, you do have a good point that the initial abduction may have required 2 people: one to kidnap and get her to an ATV, the other to meet them with a car, truck, etc.
redfish
04-25-2011, 03:43 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong. Doesnt LE usually let family talk to media? Isnt that a tool LE uses some times? Like, several cases where a family member, or another POI, has talked to media and what they said didnt add up and was used against them later? Scott Peterson comes to mind.
Also, have you ever seen, or heard of, a case this hush hush?? Its almost as if its a ransom case and they are scared to say anything because they are in some kind of contact with the abductor. Its like they dont wont make the abductor think they know more than they do or he will stop what ever he is doing.
LOL true if I were LE I would want him (the perp) to be very confident and cocky.... when he thinks he is safe he will mess up! I then would be waiting. Yep, I see LE as "crazy as a fox".
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 03:47 PM
I agree with your # 1 that there may well have been 2 abductors...maybe the tip was called in by the 2nd abductor. Second guessing whether he should turn himself in, wanting a deal. The 2 abductors may have had a falling out, disagreeing on what to do next. (I know, I know. I watch too much crime tv.)
Legally Brown, you do have a good point that the initial abduction may have required 2 people: one to kidnap and get her to an ATV, the other to meet them with a car, truck, etc.
My only thought on 2 ppl taking her would be if it was a kidnapping for randsom. I think its just one guy. but THAT IS jmo
Gofigure
04-25-2011, 03:50 PM
HLN just announced that new information on this case will be aired at 3:00 PM CDT...10 minutes from now!
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 03:52 PM
HLN just announced that new information on this case will be aired at 3:00 PM CDT...10 minutes from now!
HLN will probably say that LE has told them they have new info, or found something new, but LE cant elaborate on which one it is, or, what it is.
Kamille
04-25-2011, 03:53 PM
Hey folks, new member here. Software architect by trade, amateur sleuth by hobby :)
I have read every post in all threads. Here are my thoughts and my theory FWIW.
Rambling thoughts:
- The perp had this well planned out far in advance. Infatuated male 35+
- The perp used the ruse of a hunter many times to scope out the residence
- The perp threatened HB with gun/knife at point of abduction
- The perp transported HB from ATV to auto to current location
- The perp is taunting LE with placement of clues in random locations
- HB scream occurred closer to neighbors than her own.
- Family has no involvement in this crime
- I believe perp thought HB was home alone.
Still struggling with:
- Blood at the scene. How, who, and why?
- How was ATV transitioned to automobile? Pickup with cover?
I believe this was very well planned by a methodical individual that will not easily be caught.
I feel that HB is alive and the perp wants her to be his long-term sexual possession.
Regarding the blood at the scene, since Holly did not appear to possibly scream until she was in the woods, I wondered if it was possible that the perp indicated that a "friend" was hurt in the woods where they were hunting. With Holly being a nursing student and a caring person, would this have been enough to entice her into the woods to check on an injured person?
MOO
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 03:54 PM
HLN just announced that new information on this case will be aired at 3:00 PM CDT...10 minutes from now!
If HLN really has "new" information, I'll eat my keyboard...no offense.
ensht
04-25-2011, 03:54 PM
I had asked this last week about whether LE would need her phone to track and ping it and was told they would not need it...so why so much hoopla if phone WAS found? I'm just not getting it...is it all about fingerprints? If he is tossing things, mighn't he have gloves to go with his camo?
I don't know this, just speculation. But think back to when you were a kid and maybe someones parents didn't like you for whatever reason. I think we all had friends that went through this. Someones mother doesn't like their girl dating a guy or vice versa, or their kid hanging around with so and so. IF that was the type of thing that maybe had some role in all of this - not saying it did - putting the parents on tv would only make it worse.
I firmly believe they know who did this or think they do hence the no need for pleading for information. What they need is evidence.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Doesnt LE usually let family talk to media? Isnt that a tool LE uses some times? Like, several cases where a family member, or another POI, has talked to media and what they said didnt add up and was used against them later? Scott Peterson comes to mind.
Also, have you ever seen, or heard of, a case this hush hush?? Its almost as if its a ransom case and they are scared to say anything because they are in some kind of contact with the abductor. Its like they dont wont make the abductor think they know more than they do or he will stop what ever he is doing.
Who knows? They have a reason I'm sure. I could speculate to that reason but there's no point in that aspect here.
NCSleuth
04-25-2011, 03:57 PM
Its been 12 days.
Unless LE knows who it is and has reason to believe HB is still alive and will be hurt, its time for them to open up to the public!
IMO, If she is still alive (and I pray she is), then she will probably stay alive no matter what LE does. hate to put it so bluntly, but if he hasn't killed her by now, he is not going to.
Gofigure
04-25-2011, 04:00 PM
HLN will probably say that LE has told them they have new info, or found something new, but LE cant elaborate on which one it is, or, what it is.
LOL...You are probably right!
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 04:00 PM
Its been 12 days.
Unless LE knows who it is and has reason to believe HB is still alive and will be hurt, its time for them to open up to the public!
IMO, If she is still alive (and I pray she is), then she will probably stay alive no matter what LE does. hate to put it so bluntly, but if he hasn't killed her by now, he is not going to.
I agree. They seem to believe he is in a car now, well do they know what kind of car? If they don't, then I don't think they have a solid POI. And there are a lot of truckers and travelers out there who would be happy to look at cars and plates, if only they knew what to look for.
If they don't have a POI, then they need even more help...
Chili Fries
04-25-2011, 04:01 PM
Hollye, I am just trying to get caught up today, and I do not know if it has been confirmed that the "substantial" finding was indeed found at the Eaton Plant. I posted a Map last night, which indicates Holly's House and 100 Eaton St. (the Eaton Plant), as I wondered if the perp could navigate through the Bush via ATV or Foot, but Greengreen said that it had not been said where the Substantial finding was found.
Anyway, here is the Map, maybe it will be helpful to you.
Map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=from:+681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn+to:+100+Ea ton+St,+Parsons,+tn&ie=UTF8&t=h&saddr=681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn&daddr=100+Eaton+St,+Parsons,+tn&geocode=FehrIAIdfYy--ilD_F71fGJ8iDFmPvQueqLSHA%3BFYt-IAIdM2y_-iklZOrB4oh8iDGT1BYQOSL-pQ&ll=35.674938,-88.145628&spn=0.017361,0.035963&z=14
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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TN TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #14 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6386760&postcount=423)
Interesting to add Gooch Road to that map, where her lunchpurse was found.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn&daddr=100+Eaton+St,+Parsons,+tn+to:Gooch+Road+Pars ons+TN&hl=en&geocode=FehrIAIdfYy--ilD_F71fGJ8iDFmPvQueqLSHA%3BFYt-IAIdM2y_-iklZOrB4oh8iDGT1BYQOSL-pQ%3B&mra=ls&sll=35.698432,-88.13962&sspn=0.045725,0.090895&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 04:06 PM
HLN has yesterdays news...as usual, nothing new...
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 04:06 PM
HLN story=S.O.S.
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 04:07 PM
If HLN really has "new" information, I'll eat my keyboard...no offense. I'll put some sour cream on my wireless mouse and throw that in there too!
I keep thinking that they're getting close to finding her and that's why they're keeping quiet. Now we're approaching 2 weeks and I'm starting to wonder the reasoning for the silence at this point.
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 04:10 PM
Interesting to add Gooch Road to that map, where her lunchpurse was found.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn&daddr=100+Eaton+St,+Parsons,+tn+to:Gooch+Road+Pars ons+TN&hl=en&geocode=FehrIAIdfYy--ilD_F71fGJ8iDFmPvQueqLSHA%3BFYt-IAIdM2y_-iklZOrB4oh8iDGT1BYQOSL-pQ%3B&mra=ls&sll=35.698432,-88.13962&sspn=0.045725,0.090895&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13
Seems as if they were heading up the road towards Holladay TN. I still wonder if that RSO from there could have anything to do with it. I think they raised his bond too.
10EC_Dad
04-25-2011, 04:13 PM
Its been 12 days.
Unless LE knows who it is and has reason to believe HB is still alive and will be hurt, its time for them to open up to the public!
IMO, If she is still alive (and I pray she is), then she will probably stay alive no matter what LE does. hate to put it so bluntly, but if he hasn't killed her by now, he is not going to.
I think if Holly is still alive it is because the perp has the mindset that she is his prize. As long as there is no immediate threat that his prize will be taken from him, she is safe. If he thinks he is about to lose her his actions may be based on "if I can't have her, no one can have her".
Keeping Holly in the media by throwing out tidbits of information/hope, it makes his "prize" more valuable and the "game" exciting. In this scenario, we do not want the perp to get bored with all of this.
The element of surprise works well in this type of case.
YellowDog
04-25-2011, 04:13 PM
If Holly was abducted on an ATV, how much gas does one of those hold? That would give LE an idea of just how far he could transport her via an ATV. I'm more inclined to think he had his vehicle parked down the road but took Holly through the woods to get to it instead of in plain sight on the roadside.
ensht
04-25-2011, 04:14 PM
Interesting to add Gooch Road to that map, where her lunchpurse was found.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn&daddr=100+Eaton+St,+Parsons,+tn+to:Gooch+Road+Pars ons+TN&hl=en&geocode=FehrIAIdfYy--ilD_F71fGJ8iDFmPvQueqLSHA%3BFYt-IAIdM2y_-iklZOrB4oh8iDGT1BYQOSL-pQ%3B&mra=ls&sll=35.698432,-88.13962&sspn=0.045725,0.090895&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13
Yes because if that's really where these things are being found the course makes no sense either way for someone trying to get away from the area.
LE is likely to be right about the origins of the perp.
s_finch
04-25-2011, 04:15 PM
Think about it. When do we keep secrets/info secreted? When releasing it will spoil the project/outcome.
Therefore, I believe LE has sensitive information that is keeping them from releasing even the basics in this case. And speaking of basics, they haven't even confirmed if the blood found at Bobo home was human, or not---you don't get much more basic than that.
I believe they have a strong POI but are playing very close to the vest for good reasons.
Just MOOOOO and other barnyard noises
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 04:15 PM
If Holly was abducted on an ATV, how much gas does one of those hold? That would give LE an idea of just how far he could transport her via an ATV. I'm more inclined to think he had his vehicle parked down the road but took Holly through the woods to get to it instead of in plain sight on the roadside.
I believe what you do. My reason is because it would be ALOT easier for someone to spot her on the back of an ATV.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-25-2011, 04:15 PM
GreenGreen, do you know if there's any CatHouses in the area where women may be being held captive or being made to work against their will?
I heard someone talking about an adult bookstore in the area, and those bring up all kinds of deviant behavior....So I'm wondering about Cathouses too.
There are adult bookstores on many "country" exits between Memphis and Nashville, and on many other highways across the US.
I think some communities don't tolerate them and also a lot of truck drivers stop at them.
JMO
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 04:16 PM
Interesting to add Gooch Road to that map, where her lunchpurse was found.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn&daddr=100+Eaton+St,+Parsons,+tn+to:Gooch+Road+Pars ons+TN&hl=en&geocode=FehrIAIdfYy--ilD_F71fGJ8iDFmPvQueqLSHA%3BFYt-IAIdM2y_-iklZOrB4oh8iDGT1BYQOSL-pQ%3B&mra=ls&sll=35.698432,-88.13962&sspn=0.045725,0.090895&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13
did they search that rock quarry on 69? its huge!
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 04:16 PM
I find it hard to believe that this guy has been tooling around the general area for two weeks, with excessive LE presence and has not been pulled over or apprehended. If he is doing so, I doubt very much Holly will be found with him.
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 04:17 PM
Has LE said if they have told the family not to talk to anyone or the media?
Dr.Fessel
04-25-2011, 04:18 PM
Think about it. When do we keep secrets/info secreted? When releasing it will spoil the project/outcome.
Therefore, I believe LE has sensitive information that is keeping them from releasing even the basics in this case. And speaking of basics, they haven't even confirmed if the blood found at Bobo home was human, or not---you don't get much more basic than that.
I believe they have a strong POI but are playing very close to the vest for good reasons.
Just MOOOOO and other barnyard noises
What's not released is strange and so is what is released. Why did they release that blood was found?
s_finch
04-25-2011, 04:18 PM
I believe what you do. My reason is because it would be ALOT easier for someone to spot her on the back of an ATV.
ATV's are very noisey, I don't believe he used one.
ensht
04-25-2011, 04:19 PM
Seems as if they were heading up the road towards Holladay TN. I still wonder if that RSO from there could have anything to do with it. I think they raised his bond too.
But the perp could have just as easily dropped the purse/lunch bag first and been heading south.
10EC_Dad
04-25-2011, 04:20 PM
I find it hard to believe that this guy has been tooling around the general area for two weeks, with excessive LE presence and has not been pulled over or apprehended. If he is doing so, I doubt very much Holly will be found with him.
I agree. I don't think she is just riding around in a car with the perp?
If she is alive, she is in a hiding place.
The perp is going about his business as much as he thinks is needed to not get caught.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 04:20 PM
I think if Holly is still alive it is because the perp has the mindset that she is his prize. As long as there is no immediate threat that his prize will be taken from him, she is safe. If he thinks he is about to lose her his actions may be based on "if I can't have her, no one can have her".
Keeping Holly in the media by throwing out tidbits of information/hope, it makes his "prize" more valuable and the "game" exciting. In this scenario, we do not want the perp to get bored with all of this.
The element of surprise works well in this type of case.
What if it was anger that drove him? I think his mind set from the get go was "If I cant have her no one can" JMO
marlap
04-25-2011, 04:21 PM
I think the "tip" aspect from yesterday is interesting.
They didn't say a passerby found evidence and alerted police.
They said a "tip" led to the evidence. That makes it seem like the tip is from:
A) Holly (who maybe briefly got to a phone)
B) the perp (who is playing games)
C) someone who knows the perp (mother, girlfriend, son, daughter, sibligng, etc.), maybe even lives with them, and suspects the perp and thinks what they found may be related (Hollly jewlery, etc.)
Whoever gave LE a tip as to where to find anything related to the case has to know a lot more than a passerby.
Soul125
04-25-2011, 04:21 PM
I find it hard to believe that this guy has been tooling around the general area for two weeks, with excessive LE presence and has not been pulled over or apprehended. If he is doing so, I doubt very much Holly will be found with him.
I don't know what to think at this point. With so little info being released, I am starting to think that LE is nowhere close to finding her or the person who did this. I guess the next few days will tell much more, at least I hope so. People want to know what the investigation has found so far.
s_finch
04-25-2011, 04:22 PM
I find it hard to believe that this guy has been tooling around the general area for two weeks, with excessive LE presence and has not been pulled over or apprehended. If he is doing so, I doubt very much Holly will be found with him.
Strangers things have happened. For some perps the thrill is in the game and outsmarting LE and citizens. I can totally believe the perp would be right there in the midst of this, probably has been on searches, and still has Holly near him. For some reason I feel she is still alive and that's a feeling I've never had in other cases.
10EC_Dad
04-25-2011, 04:23 PM
What's not released is strange and so is what is released. Why did they release that blood was found?
Remember that more than one LE agency is involved and are under different pressures. That could be a cause.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 04:23 PM
ATV's are very noisey, I don't believe he used one.
Im sure there are alot of dirt roads back there we cant see them on the maps!
he very well could have had a car waiting! And drove right out of there.
Capri
04-25-2011, 04:23 PM
Hollye, I am just trying to get caught up today, and I do not know if it has been confirmed that the "substantial" finding was indeed found at the Eaton Plant. I posted a Map last night, which indicates Holly's House and 100 Eaton St. (the Eaton Plant), as I wondered if the perp could navigate through the Bush via ATV or Foot, but Greengreen said that it had not been said where the Substantial finding was found.
Anyway, here is the Map, maybe it will be helpful to you.
Map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=from:+681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn+to:+100+Ea ton+St,+Parsons,+tn&ie=UTF8&t=h&saddr=681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn&daddr=100+Eaton+St,+Parsons,+tn&geocode=FehrIAIdfYy--ilD_F71fGJ8iDFmPvQueqLSHA%3BFYt-IAIdM2y_-iklZOrB4oh8iDGT1BYQOSL-pQ&ll=35.674938,-88.145628&spn=0.017361,0.035963&z=14
Post:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TN TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #14 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6386760&postcount=423)
Here's the statement of where it was found:
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110424/NEWS25/110424003/Item-found-search-Holly-Bobo?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
"A group of volunteers walking along U.S. 641/Tenn. 69 today found an item near 100 Eaton St."
YellowDog
04-25-2011, 04:24 PM
I believe what you do. My reason is because it would be ALOT easier for someone to spot her on the back of an ATV.
Not to mention the fact that they are rather noisy and would get the neighbor's attention.
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 04:24 PM
I wonder if the parts about the blood and lunch box were released before some other agency came in and said "no more info".
I hope whatever it is they are doing, works. I think it has gone on too long for this veil of secrecy to continue, but what do I know.
Dr.Fessel
04-25-2011, 04:24 PM
I think the "tip" aspect from yesterday is interesting.
They didn't say a passerby found evidence and alerted police.
They said a "tip" led to the evidence. That makes it seem like the tip is from:
A) Holly (who maybe briefly got to a phone)
B) the perp (who is playing games)
C) someone who knows the perp (mother, girlfriend, son, daughter, sibligng, etc.), maybe even lives with them, and suspects the perp and thinks what they found may be related (Hollly jewlery, etc.)
Whoever gave LE a tip as to where to find anything related to the case has to know a lot more than a passerby.
A called in tip could just be a cover story for information they got some other way.
Strawberry Fields
04-25-2011, 04:25 PM
With the parents/family not going on TV to make more pleas for her safe return, it seems sort of strange. I understand how distraught they are though and it would take a huge amount of strength. But even in the case of Brittany Smith, who was allegedly abducted and her mother was found murdered in their home, her aunts eventually went to press conferences to make pleas for her safe return. I remember thinking it was sad when this first happened that with her mom now deceased and her being abducted, who would be there to go on TV and plea for her return. I know there are other cases such as there not being an immediate family member left to speak to media, but just seems to me, the family would want to go on and try to communicate how much they love her and to please don't hurt her and to please just send her home to us. And speak directly to her and tell her they love her and will not stop searching for her. This is one of the first cases where I have not seen family go to media and at least say to their missing loved one that they are looking for them. I am no way passing judgment on this poor family, as they may very well have reasons we are not aware of for not doing this. (MOO)
10EC_Dad
04-25-2011, 04:26 PM
What if it was anger that drove him? I think his mind set from the get go was "If I cant have her no one can" JMO
I agree that is an underlying theme. I think that is the end game moment in his mind. He may just want to see how long he can keep the game going.
ensht
04-25-2011, 04:27 PM
I think the "tip" aspect from yesterday is interesting.
They didn't say a passerby found evidence and alerted police.
They said a "tip" led to the evidence. That makes it seem like the tip is from:
A) Holly (who maybe briefly got to a phone)
B) the perp (who is playing games)
C) someone who knows the perp (mother, girlfriend, son, daughter, sibligng, etc.), maybe even lives with them, and suspects the perp and thinks what they found may be related (Hollly jewlery, etc.)
Whoever gave LE a tip as to where to find anything related to the case has to know a lot more than a passerby.
If it's C this is the #1 reason they need to tell people IF it definitely was hers. They don't need to say what, just that it 100% belonged to her.
A culmination of factors and evidence will undoubtely jar someones memory or push a suspicion over to "I think XYZ did it".
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 04:27 PM
At some point, maybe soon, I think LE will have to make a decision about putting what they know (if anything) out there to ask the public for real help, looking for a specific vehicle, showing a mugshot, whatever they may have. Picking up bits and pieces of things in the woods that may have nothing to do with Holly are not helping to find her, at least not thus far. LE is notorious for not wanting to release info, but if they are truly stuck, they may have to admit that as well.
To our local friends
How unusual would an ATV at 7 am be in that area?
I know of areas where it wouldn't stand out at all as everyone has one and uses them to go feed their horses, check their property, put mail in the box, etc.... But what's the case in that area?
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 04:27 PM
"We have taken in hundreds of pieces of possible evidence, so we are sorting through it to see if it is related to Holly or not," Kristin Helm, a spokeswoman for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, told The Huffington Post.
On Sunday, investigators announced they had found a "significant" item. Volunteers reportedly told Fox 13's Earle Farrell the significant piece of evidence is a cell phone. Helm declined to comment and would only say that there are "lots of rumors and speculation."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/25/holly-bobo-whitney-duncan_n_853427.html
marlap
04-25-2011, 04:28 PM
Strangers things have happened. For some perps the thrill is in the game and outsmarting LE and citizens. I can totally believe the perp would be right there in the midst of this, probably has been on searches, and still has Holly near him. For some reason I feel she is still alive and that's a feeling I've never had in other cases.
I agree.
The first month of Shawn Hornbeck's captivity, FBI said that perp Michael Devlin told his pizza parlor boss that he had to go home twice a day to "medicate a sick cat."
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 04:29 PM
I agree that is an underlying theme. I think that is the end game moment in his mind. He may just want to see how long he can keep the game going.
I hope one day we will have an ans!
MagnoliaMom
04-25-2011, 04:29 PM
If Holly was abducted on an ATV, how much gas does one of those hold? That would give LE an idea of just how far he could transport her via an ATV. I'm more inclined to think he had his vehicle parked down the road but took Holly through the woods to get to it instead of in plain sight on the roadside.
I googled that and found that an average ATV holds about 4 gallons of gas and can travel approx. 70-80 miles on that. This was on an ATV forum and some posters said they had added a larger gas tank to their ATV so they could go further while others mentioned bringing extra gas along with them.
scorekeeper
04-25-2011, 04:31 PM
Not to mention the fact that they are rather noisy and would get the neighbor's attention.
along that line......LE only released that a neighbor heard a scream...no mention of any other sounds...ATV....i would think a car would be much quieter....so perhaps the car went away from the neighbors house
JMO
SweetSkit
04-25-2011, 04:31 PM
To our local friends
How unusual would an ATV at 7 am be in that area?
I know of areas where it wouldn't stand out at all as everyone has one and uses them to go feed their horses, check their property, put mail in the box, etc.... But what's the case in that area?
That was what I thought when I read the comment about the noise. In my area, (West Tn), people wouldn't think a thing about hearing an ATV, it is so common...
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 04:31 PM
"We have taken in hundreds of pieces of possible evidence, so we are sorting through it to see if it is related to Holly or not," Kristin Helm, a spokeswoman for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, told The Huffington Post.
On Sunday, investigators announced they had found a "significant" item. Volunteers reportedly told Fox 13's Earle Farrell the significant piece of evidence is a cell phone. Helm declined to comment and would only say that there are "lots of rumors and speculation."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/25/holly-bobo-whitney-duncan_n_853427.html
LOL Heck yea theres lot's of rumors and speculation....Thats all anyone has...
TopTop
04-25-2011, 04:31 PM
Not to mention the fact that they are rather noisy and would get the neighbor's attention.
I assume ATVs are very common in that area and wouldn't get anyone's attention...?
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 04:32 PM
That was what I thought when I read the comment about the noise. In my area, (West Tn), people wouldn't think a thing about hearing an ATV, it is so common...
Its also Turkey season.. Hunters must be out early.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-25-2011, 04:33 PM
My mom was on the search party this morning. It got called off because of the weather.
A couple of things that I don't think have been discussed. There are many people who have vacation places in this area. The search today was near Woodlawn Shores. Lots of people from Memphis/Jackson have cabins there. My brother in law from Jackson has 100 acres of hunting land
just north of parsons. My parents live in Memphis and have a place on te beech river. My point is, it is a little town, but lots
of folks travel through.
Also, something weird. They were searching on the west side of hwy 69. That would have been thrown put the passenger side going into town
I agree with your thoughts completely.
My family has a place on the TN river at Birdsong.
All of these areas near the river (or Beech River watershed also) are very popular with people from Memphis, Jackson and areas in between.
Most people in Nashville usually go East unless they don't have the time to go that way for a weekend.
JMO
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-25-2011, 04:35 PM
What's not released is strange and so is what is released. Why did they release that blood was found?
When my DIL was called into the crime scene, she was told blood was found....I'm thinking that information was first released by local law enforcement and the TBI confirmed it. Now that the TBI is involved with all evidence coming in, they are controlling what information is released, and they are being more close mouthed with that information.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-25-2011, 04:35 PM
To our local friends
How unusual would an ATV at 7 am be in that area?
I know of areas where it wouldn't stand out at all as everyone has one and uses them to go feed their horses, check their property, put mail in the box, etc.... But what's the case in that area?
IMO from having grown up near there and frequenting that area throughout the years, ATV's at that time of the morning or even at night (since they have headlights) is not unusual.
Neither were gunshots, because I grew up with guns/hunters in the house and on nearby land.
JMO
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 04:36 PM
Something else. If he got rid of her items while driving from her house, that means he would have turned down that dead end road (Easton St.) during prime business hours. On here was stated a concrete plant, and it appears, another building is there also. I just find it hard to believe he would have took that risk at that time. It would have been extremely easy to spot him. Wonder if any of those business have survellance (however u spell it) cameras?
nosylla
04-25-2011, 04:38 PM
I find it hard to believe that this guy has been tooling around the general area for two weeks, with excessive LE presence and has not been pulled over or apprehended. If he is doing so, I doubt very much Holly will be found with him.
I agree. How would they get food? They would need to buy food, and get water etc. Someone would have spotted something if a guy and a captor is actually traveling around.
Cubbies2010
04-25-2011, 04:38 PM
I believe what you do. My reason is because it would be ALOT easier for someone to spot her on the back of an ATV.
This is what I have been wondering.
Maybe someone with more experience with these vehicles in a hunting or farming setting can explain how he would have transported her via ATV.
Would he have sat in the back, gun or weapon to her back and made her drive? That seems risky, they could see someone who knows her. She would stand out in her clothes compared to his camo.
Is there a human size cargo box that attaches to the back of these? I just can't visualize how he would use an ATV. I'm hoping someone can explain that.
Thanks!
Mountain_Kat
04-25-2011, 04:40 PM
I agree that is an underlying theme. I think that is the end game moment in his mind. He may just want to see how long he can keep the game going.
Maybe he fancies himself in love with her and somehow thinks she might be in love with him too. By all accounts, she's a very sweet girl. Perhaps our guy read more into her friendliness than she ever intended. Maybe in his mind, if he can just get her alone, there's a chance she might realize that they were meant to be together.
I know that sounds far fetched, but this just doesn't read like a sex offender/serial killer abduction to me. It reads more desperate/lovesick youth. (Unless, of course, Holly is no longer in that vehicle.)
But like I said, you guys have all followed this case much more closely than I have. I'm probably talking out of my rear.
SNOWINMEMPHIS
04-25-2011, 04:45 PM
I was
reading your posts last night and this morning and I have forgotten some of what I was going to say, but somewhere someone mentioned that they didn't think that there would be much tree trimming in April.... That is insignificant in those parts. I imagine that they do a lot of things like clearing lots for new construction, cutting
trees that have fallen in all of these storms we have had,
Etc.
It isn't like tree trimming/landscaping like you would do in the suburbs
There is also a very active logging/sawmill community in that area, all the way up to Pickwick Lake and beyond.
Perhaps they also do that kind of work?
JMO
GoHard24
04-25-2011, 04:48 PM
Has Holly's personality been talked about in a persuasive way? Being a nursing student you would think that she'd need to be very good with people and very sweet and understanding. Most people would panic in the situation and look for the quickest escape route before they're killed. I'm wondering if she's the kind of girl who is smart enough to try to bond with her abductor as she knows that they will be looking everywhere for her and if she can buy some time, she might be able to come out of this thing alive.
LegallyBrown
04-25-2011, 04:49 PM
This is what I have been wondering.
Maybe someone with more experience with these vehicles in a hunting or farming setting can explain how he would have transported her via ATV.
Would he have sat in the back, gun or weapon to her back and made her drive? That seems risky, they could see someone who knows her. She would stand out in her clothes compared to his camo.
Is there a human size cargo box that attaches to the back of these? I just can't visualize how he would use an ATV. I'm hoping someone can explain that.
Thanks!
I really think there was NEVER an ATV involved. Just walking to edge of woods and getting in car/truck. Although not apparent looking at google earth, deer path type dirt roads will accomodate some vehicles (especially if you know where you are going and avoid ruts and ditches etc), a narrow and quiet small 4 wheel drive truck or small SUV would make a better getaway. ATV would be as loud as a scream through quiet morning woods and wouldnt make any sense. Also would be near impossible to balance her, all her stuff, etc. And I think the perp just threw her stuff out the window along the way to get rid of evidence.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 04:49 PM
This is what I have been wondering.
Maybe someone with more experience with these vehicles in a hunting or farming setting can explain how he would have transported her via ATV.
Would he have sat in the back, gun or weapon to her back and made her drive? That seems risky, they could see someone who knows her. She would stand out in her clothes compared to his camo.
Is there a human size cargo box that attaches to the back of these? I just can't visualize how he would use an ATV. I'm hoping someone can explain that.
Thanks!
I think they will find her near her home where she screamed! I dont think she was on an atv or put in a car i think she is still out there.
Just like Kristie whos brother found her along the side of the road a year later not far from where she disappeared. the area was searched her cell was found but she wasnt. Her brother found her. JMO
Carla Lashelle
04-25-2011, 04:52 PM
I really think there was NEVER an ATV involved. Just walking to edge of woods and getting in car/truck. Although not apparent looking at google earth, deer path type dirt roads will accomodate some vehicles (especially if you know where you are going and avoid ruts and ditches etc), a narrow and quiet small 4 wheel drive truck or small SUV would make a better getaway. ATV would be as loud as a scream through quiet morning woods and wouldnt make any sense. Also would be near impossible to balance her, all her stuff, etc. And I think the perp just threw her stuff out the window along the way to get rid of evidence.
Been my thinking for near two weeks now
maskedwoman
04-25-2011, 04:52 PM
No problem. You are right, too. I am seriously questioning LE at this point & that must have come across to you, rightly so. I know, LE knows more than we do,I'm not doubting that. I'm just feeling the frustration of inconsistencies. I still hope for the best outcome, but starting to realize the best outcome is based on what's left, not some ideal version of Holly throwing breadcrumbs out the window for over a week.
I completely understand your frustration. My daughter is also a 20 year old, blonde college student, and we live in the boonies, so Holly's disappearance has hit me where I live and the lack of information is maddening.
Like you, although I would love to think Holly is outsmarting this jackalope who took her and, as you said, throwing breadcrumbs out the window, my heart is not telling me that.
I am only about two hours away and have so much wanted to help search but I had surgery on both my feet several weeks ago and I can't wear anything like boots yet. :waiting: So I'll keep praying they find this child and get her home. sigh....
SweetSkit
04-25-2011, 04:52 PM
Searched off for the rest of the day and tomorrow because of weather
Mountain_Kat
04-25-2011, 04:57 PM
I think they will find her near her home where she screamed! I dont think she was on an atv or put in a car i think she is still out there.
Just like Kristie whos brother found her along the side of the road a year later not far from where she disappeared. the area was searched her cell was found but she wasnt. Her brother found her. JMO
I think that's a very strong possibility. But I sure hope that's not the case.
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 04:59 PM
Volunteer: fairgrounds command center is closing for today and Tuesday. Future plans have not officially been released.
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
Source: organized public searches expected to stop during severe weather threat.
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
LegallyBrown
04-25-2011, 04:59 PM
To our local friends
How unusual would an ATV at 7 am be in that area?
I know of areas where it wouldn't stand out at all as everyone has one and uses them to go feed their horses, check their property, put mail in the box, etc.... But what's the case in that area?
It would not be unusual on your OWN land if you are hunting (at 7am) or just riding for fun. HOWEVER country landowners are always KEENLY aware of sounds of OTHER ATV'S on THEIR LAND. You really dont want people hunting there or even being there without permission! We have land and if I hear a neighbor riding there anytime of day my husband & I always comment and lay eyes on them to see if they are damaging the land, what they are doing there, etc. We love our neighbors but also love our land.
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:00 PM
Did HLN have any more information - I am in MI & missed it :(
ensht
04-25-2011, 05:00 PM
I think that's a very strong possibility. But I sure hope that's not the case.
Does anyone have a link to the case referenced? The one where the brother did his own research and was able to best guess where she was based on the cell? Just wondering why law enforcement wasn't able to do that in that case.
Depressed that volunteer searches are off for two days. Same old same old with this case. What seems like a hot lead is nothing.
cocomod
04-25-2011, 05:01 PM
Ok, so I need to grab some coffee. I found it. It wasn't in the article it's in their twitter feed. It is from a reporter of
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/subindex/video/myfoxbuzz
GCoy1 Greg Coy
Volunteers tell FOX13's Earle Farrell significant piece eevidence in Holly Bobo case is cell phone. Earle waiting to hear from authorities.
Interesting. I believe if it was her cell phone, they wouldn't put any question on whether or not it belonged to Holly. Why do they need to complicate the information that they are providing?
Is anyone else surprised the volunteers haven't leaked info?
I agree. These searchers are a bit higher scale than the searchers in the Hailey Dunn case. They fight and bicker all day long there!
I have followed a few cases in the past but many of you are much more experienced.
What are your theories for LE not providing any information at all. I understand not sharing all of the information but virtually none?? Other than the lunchbox we don't really know anything at all. Why did they tell us about the lunchbox?
I think that we are dealing with a different type of LE agency here. This is not a local LE agency with a “spokesperson” talking daily. This is the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations. I think personally that they operate differently and likely have a different set of rules than a local agency. I think that could account for the secrecy. JMHO
Carla Lashelle
04-25-2011, 05:01 PM
Did HLN have any more information - I am in MI & missed it :(
nope... old news
Dogface
04-25-2011, 05:01 PM
I am sure this is just my mind rambling on another endless possibility at this point, but I was thinking perhaps someone the brother knows could be responsible, not necessarily a good friend, but maybe former high school acquaintance or something(i.e. football team, or someone in a group of hunting buddies), someone who could have known her without really knowing her for sometime...another thought I had recently was that it could be someone who has an elderly parent they take care of, like a 35+ year old male who lives with an aging parent who needs care, and would be unaware that someone is being held captive in their house due to being bedridden, or incapacitated in some degree. They could still possibly supply an alibi, but it could be inaccurate. JMO of course....I just hope she is found soon!
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 05:02 PM
Wouldn't she have had her keys in her hand? Why weren't they dropped if she was accosted suddenly? None of this makes sense.
10EC_Dad
04-25-2011, 05:03 PM
I think they will find her near her home where she screamed! I dont think she was on an atv or put in a car i think she is still out there.
Just like Kristie whos brother found her along the side of the road a year later not far from where she disappeared. the area was searched her cell was found but she wasnt. Her brother found her. JMO
That is my first thought as well. I suspected he plan to assault her in the house and that got moved to the woods. I was concerned that they moved the searches away from her home so quickly. At this point, I am assuming the searches around her house have been thorough, even the water.
If they did find her phone yesterday, it does give hope the perp is playing a game and has her alive.
cocomod
04-25-2011, 05:04 PM
Volunteer: fairgrounds command center is closing for today and Tuesday. Future plans have not officially been released.
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
Source: organized public searches expected to stop during severe weather threat.
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
:banghead: :(
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 05:04 PM
Searches called off at least until Wednesday tells me not exactly hot on a trail, storm or no storm, just my opinion, obviously...
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:04 PM
Does anyone have a link to the case referenced? The one where the brother did his own research and was able to best guess where she was based on the cell? Just wondering why law enforcement wasn't able to do that in that case.
Depressed that volunteer searches are off for two days. Same old same old with this case. What seems like a hot lead is nothing.
It was the Kristi Cornwell case in GA & her brother didn't find the remains until 1 1/2 yrs later - he never gave up looking tho
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=136451&catid=288
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 05:05 PM
That is my first thought as well. I suspected he plan to assault her in the house and that got moved to the woods. I was concerned that they moved the searches away from her home so quickly. At this point, I am assuming the searches around her house have been thorough, even the water.
If they did find her phone yesterday, it does give hope the perp is playing a game and has her alive.
If the phone had been there a while, it doesn't really say much. Depends if it looked as though it was just thrown there? And I can't even drop any phone I have had on my carpet without it coming apart...
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 05:06 PM
Did HLN have any more information - I am in MI & missed it :(
That LE found something else but, aint telling what it is.
Carla Lashelle
04-25-2011, 05:06 PM
Searches called off at least until Wednesday tells me not exactly hot on a trail, storm or no storm, just my opinion, obviously...
Well not necessarily. Its not like they are trying to search the wilds of Alaska. If masses of searchers have covered the ground over a two week period... then that could be all thats needed. Before it was mentioned that it was not that LE was not going to search... just masses of volunteers were not needed. IF they arent searching it can be they know where to look elsewhere (in town?)
cocomod
04-25-2011, 05:08 PM
That is my first thought as well. I suspected he plan to assault her in the house and that got moved to the woods. I was concerned that they moved the searches away from her home so quickly. At this point, I am assuming the searches around her house have been thorough, even the water.
If they did find her phone yesterday, it does give hope the perp is playing a game and has her alive.
I really have a hard time believing it was her cell phone. This is the third time it has been reported that her cell phone has been found. If it was her cell phone, I do not think that they would have been reporting that this item "likely" belonged to Holly. They would know very easily if a cell phone belonged to her (unless it was smashed and the VIN number was no longer available).
I may be wrong, but I believe it is something else entirely. I think that it is something that is feminine of nature that Holly has, but is possibly not hers. They may be testing now for fingerprints or DNA on this "item".
This may be giving the mom hope because maybe it was something from inside of Holly's purse. Something that had to be taken out of her purse.
I have hoped and hoped that Holly is still alive out there. I am continuing to hope, but it is getting harder and harder to convince myself that this is the case. :(
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:09 PM
I think that's a very strong possibility. But I sure hope that's not the case.
Me tooo! But we have seen all tooo often how these cases end. This was not a little girl taken by a pervert. JMO
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:10 PM
That LE found something else but, aint telling what it is.
Did they find something else besides what was mentioned yesterday (that they wouldn't say lol) or is it the same old, same old?
Quiche
04-25-2011, 05:11 PM
BrookeBCNN Brooke Baldwin
TBI Director just told me this "significant" piece of evidence found over the weekend could be a "game changer." #HollyBobo
http://twitter.com/#!/BrookeBCNN
eta: retweeted to me by casesignal
YellowDog
04-25-2011, 05:11 PM
along that line......LE only released that a neighbor heard a scream...no mention of any other sounds...ATV....i would think a car would be much quieter....so perhaps the car went away from the neighbors house
JMO
That's probably when she screamed....when he was making her get into his vehicle.
It would be very hard to kidnap someone on an ATV if they were fighting or struggling. It's not like she'd get on the back and hold onto him around the waist.
10EC_Dad
04-25-2011, 05:13 PM
If the phone had been there a while, it doesn't really say much. Depends if it looked as though it was just thrown there? And I can't even drop any phone I have had on my carpet without it coming apart...
Not sure under what scenario the phone would have been there awhile if her lunchbag was found in a different area.
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 05:13 PM
BrookeBCNN Brooke Baldwin
TBI Director just told me this "significant" piece of evidence found over the weekend could be a "game changer." #HollyBobo
http://twitter.com/#!/BrookeBCNN
eta: retweeted to me by casesignal
:woohoo:
:woohoo:
:woohoo:
tfrohning
04-25-2011, 05:15 PM
Wouldn't she have had her keys in her hand? Why weren't they dropped if she was accosted suddenly? None of this makes sense.
Hmmm that good point:waitasec:
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:15 PM
BrookeBCNN Brooke Baldwin
TBI Director just told me this "significant" piece of evidence found over the weekend could be a "game changer." #HollyBobo
http://twitter.com/#!/BrookeBCNN
eta: retweeted to me by casesignal
LOL yes but for who's game the perp or for LE?
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:15 PM
As much as part of me would like to know what they found, I am glad they are keeping the integrity of the case private.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110425/NEWS25/104250317/Authorities-New-leads-propel-search-Holly-Bobo?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Authorities would not disclose the item or its significance in the search, and volunteers refused to comment.
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-25-2011, 05:15 PM
Searches called off at least until Wednesday tells me not exactly hot on a trail, storm or no storm, just my opinion, obviously...
This is severe weather.....we get bad bad storms here. I looked out my front door this afternoon and watched a funnel cloud form over the houses across the street. They have to cancel the searches, hot trail or not in this type of weather for the safety of all.
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 05:16 PM
LOL yes but for who's game the perp or for LE?
both hopefully
le: win the game
perp: game over
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:17 PM
Fairgrounds command center closed for today and tues!
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:18 PM
Hmmm that good point:waitasec:
I would say that that depends on how close to her car she was when she was accosted. If she had a ways to walk (from house to garage), she might have had them in a pocket. Also, in a earlier post, it was reported that one of the items they are asking people to look for are car keys.
Quiche
04-25-2011, 05:18 PM
LOL yes but for who's game the perp or for LE?
It seems to me this evidence may give a solid direction for LE to follow. Hoping it's at least that.
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 05:18 PM
Did they find something else besides what was mentioned yesterday (that they wouldn't say lol) or is it the same old, same old?
No, I think this is something else that they found and not the other thing that they found. Im not really sure if this thing is the thing that they have beeen looking for, because, I havent really heard what that thing is yet. Did that clarify it a little for you??
evelyn24
04-25-2011, 05:20 PM
LOL yes but for who's game the perp or for LE?
I hope it's a gamer changer but "could be" is the operative phrase. I'm getting cynical. News likes to exaggerate.
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 05:20 PM
Not sure under what scenario the phone would have been there awhile if her lunchbag was found in a different area.
Why couldn't all of her items have been disposed of the very first day, in different locales? That would not be entirely original. In fact, it is what I would do, while wearing gloves of course, if I had the inclination to commit such a crime.
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 05:22 PM
The only "game changer" type-thing I can think of is something with the perp's name or photo on it...anything belonging to Holly I have a hard time seeing how it could lead to her...
DNeecie
04-25-2011, 05:22 PM
Mark Gwyn
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/04/25/exp.nr.gwyn.bobo.case.cnn?iref=allsearch
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 05:24 PM
The only "game changer" type-thing I can think of is something with the perp's name or photo on it...anything belonging to Holly I have a hard time seeing how it could lead to her...
Unless somehow she took a pic of him with her phone before throwing it out.
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:25 PM
:ufo:No, I think this is something else that they found and not the other thing that they found. Im not really sure if this thing is the thing that they have beeen looking for, because, I havent really heard what that thing is yet. Did that clarify it a little for you??
:ufo: LOL
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:28 PM
Not sure under what scenario the phone would have been there awhile if her lunchbag was found in a different area.
I think he just tossed the stuff in as many locations as he could. JMO
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 05:28 PM
Mark Gwyn
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/04/25/exp.nr.gwyn.bobo.case.cnn?iref=allsearch
TBI director said he hopes that this item "will give us a huge piece of that puzzle"
I am personally taking this as some good news
DNeecie
04-25-2011, 05:29 PM
Mark Gwyn
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/04/25/exp.nr.gwyn.bobo.case.cnn?iref=allsearch
Sorry to quote myself. She asks if this could be a game changer and Mark Gwyn says yes it could be.
10EC_Dad
04-25-2011, 05:29 PM
Why couldn't all of her items have been disposed of the very first day, in different locales? That would not be entirely original. In fact, it is what I would do, while wearing gloves of course, if I had the inclination to commit such a crime.
That would increase your odds of being spotted or the items being found.
Why not just keep the items with her? (Not to mean let her have them.)
10EC_Dad
04-25-2011, 05:31 PM
I think he just tossed the stuff in as many locations as he could. JMO
For the purpose of?
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 05:32 PM
Whats amazing to me is that no news agency is even getting any solid "leaks" of information. I have never seen this before. Someone always gets atleast solid leaks of info.
I would hate to be a NG reporter on scene. Then, on air her ask me what I know, and I say " nothing much, but, they found something and aint got a clue as to what all they found". She would tear that butt up on air.
wfgodot
04-25-2011, 05:32 PM
This whole investigation seems to be taking place in The Conditional Land of Could and Might.
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 05:32 PM
TBI director said he hopes that this item "will give us a huge piece of that puzzle"
I am personally taking this as some good news
Could this mean that they now know he is driving around in a vehicle and may have headed for the interstate?
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:33 PM
I would say that that depends on how close to her car she was when she was accosted. If she had a ways to walk (from house to garage), she might have had them in a pocket. Also, in a earlier post, it was reported that one of the items they are asking people to look for are car keys.
Well that makes sense why dont they get out the metal detectors?
Im sure she had a wallet with her drivers lic and money!
The car keys were my theory on the blood i think maybe she poked him with the keys maybe. I was taught to use my keys to poke at someones eyes or anything i could.... so yea it might not be her blood. but that would make him MADDDDDD. JMO
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 05:35 PM
That would increase your odds of being spotted or the items being found.
Why not just keep the items with her? (Not to mean let her have them.)
I think it would be less likely for the items, if found scattered about a county or two, to be connected, than if someone were to come across a little stash with all of her items, I guess. I know if I found a lunch sack, for instance, I would not think "crime victim" and he did not know that first day that a huge response was forming.
3doglady
04-25-2011, 05:35 PM
After seeing the searchers on the ground, I wondered if she took out her earring and poked him with it.
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 05:35 PM
For the purpose of?
I am just chiming in here... . I would think the perp would drive around discarding everything in different places so it is scattered.. the perp may have even thought he was doing a good job hiding it or tossing it.
I keep thinking back to the zahra baker case... how Elise Baker drove all around (but all areas that she knew) discarding some things here.. other things there... the happhazard and seemingly circular plot of items in this case reminds me so much of that.. like the perp is tossing out/ getting rid of things in a circular area that he could know well..
moo
greengreen
04-25-2011, 05:35 PM
greengreen,
Do the locals think that LE has a pretty good idea who did this?
Some days, yes some days, no. We all trust them to do their job. At this point I do believe the public wants to know if it was in fact something directed toward Holly or if this is a type of serial attacker.
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:35 PM
TBI director said he hopes that this item "will give us a huge piece of that puzzle"
I am personally taking this as some good news
It's the first optimistic report I have heard.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:35 PM
For the purpose of?
Diversion! I think we are making it more complicated then it is JMO
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:38 PM
I think whatever happend happend within the first hour she went missing.
He either tossed the stuff and went back to work. Not missing a beat.Or left town never to be seen again.
JMO
Foofoo Shnickens
04-25-2011, 05:38 PM
I have read this site in the past (you guys are amazing!), but for some reason this case just gnaws at me and I had to join.
Every day I hope for some good news about Holly, but none has come yet.
I sure hope LE is giving the family more info than they are giving the public, because look how maddening and frustrating it is for us bystanders. Can you imagine being her parents and knowing as little as we do? I wouldn't be able to take it.
As many of you have already said, I am sure LE has their reasons for keeping things so quiet, but I worry it may backfire... the less they are willing to talk, the less interested the media becomes and the less interested the public becomes, too. If there was a little more to go on, there could be even more publicity given and some great-aunt Ethel in Maine might hear about it and recall that her crazy great Nephew lives close to Darden, and come to think of it, he hasn't returned her calls for two weeks.
That's all hypothetical of course, but you get what I mean. I think they need to give a little more than what they have been to keep this in the public eye, and to keep searchers wanting to search (especially those coming from out of area/state).
I also have to say how touched I am about how everyone has come together in her community and outside of her community. It makes you realize that most people truly are good and giving and generous at heart. I've been brought to tears and goosebumps many times over the last 12 days because of these selfless people.
(all of this is my own opinion, of course)
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 05:40 PM
It's the first optimistic report I have heard.
Then, they turn right around and cancel the searches for the next two days. Odd, isnt it?? Even in bad storms, there are time you could get out of your vehicle and search.
Carla Lashelle
04-25-2011, 05:40 PM
Diversion! I think we are making it more complicated then it is JMO
I agree there thats why I have not believed any of the complicated theories put forward. But I also dont believe this guy has spent two weeks criss crossing the neighborhood like Johnny Appleseed planting clues. He may have gone one way or another and tossed things out on the route. But I think any tossing was done in the first hour or so. Not knowing how he went may make things seem random. But if he had to go one way to hit another road that took him the direction he wanted to go, that would account for some random finds.
wfgodot
04-25-2011, 05:40 PM
Welcome to WS, Foofoo Shnickens.
Sarahlou
04-25-2011, 05:41 PM
Diversion! I think we are making it more complicated then it is JMO
Agreed. After thinking through other ideas I'm back to what I originally thought. I think he did what he planned to do within a short time of kidnapping Holly. I think he hid her body(sorry) then went and dropped off all the different items to confuse everybody and lead them on a wild goose chase.
evelyn24
04-25-2011, 05:41 PM
Sorry to quote myself. She asks if this could be a game changer and Mark Gwyn says yes it could be.
I think it could be the cell phone this time. What else could be a big piece of the puzzle or game changer?
:waitasec:
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:41 PM
Well that makes sense why dont they get out the metal detectors?
Im sure she had a wallet with her drivers lic and money!
The car keys were my theory on the blood i think maybe she poked him with the keys maybe. I was taught to use my keys to poke at someones eyes or anything i could.... so yea it might not be her blood. but that would make him MADDDDDD. JMO
Yeah I think they should use a metal detector too. Also, if he was waiting for her to go to school, what better place to hide than in the garage (carport, whatever lol). If I was LE, I would dust that building for prints. Who knows, they might get lucky and find something. JMO
maskedwoman
04-25-2011, 05:42 PM
Something else. If he got rid of her items while driving from her house, that means he would have turned down that dead end road (Easton St.) during prime business hours. On here was stated a concrete plant, and it appears, another building is there also. I just find it hard to believe he would have took that risk at that time. It would have been extremely easy to spot him. Wonder if any of those business have survellance (however u spell it) cameras?
That is an excellent point and a very good question. Hmm....
greengreen
04-25-2011, 05:42 PM
Can someone local direct me to the location of the Eaton plant, so I can add it to the map?
I added Woodlawn Shores as a search area for today.
Just google Eaton Road. They searched the whole thing but the picture shown was taken at the plant.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:43 PM
Then, they turn right around and cancel the searches for the next two days. Odd, isnt it?? Even in bad storms, there are time you could get out of your vehicle and search.
And if LE thought this guy still has her why not get on Tv and ask for him to leave her on any corner at any wall mart gas station anywhere or have her mom beg for him to send her home? To please let her go!!!!! JMO
Gofigure
04-25-2011, 05:44 PM
That's probably when she screamed....when he was making her get into his vehicle.
It would be very hard to kidnap someone on an ATV if they were fighting or struggling. It's not like she'd get on the back and hold onto him around the waist.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=681+Swan+Johnson+Rd,+Darden,+tn&daddr=100+Eaton+St,+Parsons,+tn+to:Gooch+Road+Pars ons+TN&hl=en&geocode=FehrIAIdfYy--ilD_F71fGJ8iDFmPvQueqLSHA%3BFYt-IAIdM2y_-iklZOrB4oh8iDGT1BYQOSL-pQ%3B&mra=ls&sll=35.698432,-88.13962&sspn=0.045725,0.090895&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13
When I look at this map from point A to point C, it makes me think perp is driving north on 69 discarding Holly's items along the way. He does not want to be stopped with anything visible in the car. I believe the scream came when he was preparing to put her in the trunk of his car, she knows this is her final cry for any help! I don't think an ATV was involved, if it was, why haven't they found an abandoned ATV? He takes her from the home through the woods to his waiting car, which from looking at map to nearest road would probably take 15-30 minutes on foot. By this time LE has been called! He sees LE everywhere enroute from Swan Johnson on 69, he turns off to remain undetected and dispose of lunch purse. Once these items are out of the car, he proceeds to his prepared space for Holly. This was well planned and thought out in advance. He probably keeps her locked in, or up, while he carries out his normal daily routine...I feel he is close by. I do believe this town is going to be shocked to it's very core if and/or when the perp is revealed...If ever.
annboleyn2011
04-25-2011, 05:44 PM
could the "find" be a weapon with blood on it?
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 05:47 PM
Up until yesterday, they were basically searching woods, then they asked searchers to search areas where something could be thrown from a car...could the "game changed" be that they now believe he has been in a car all along, not trooping Holly through the woods...
Plumeria5
04-25-2011, 05:47 PM
I have changed my mind so many times! I think you guys are right about an ATV being too noisy. How thick are the woods around their home? Would it be possible to drive a truck not far from the home. Does someone know where there is a picture of the woods near the home? This time of year I wouldn't think it would be as thick with brush as later in the summer.
JustMe42
04-25-2011, 05:48 PM
I think their "guy" is from Holladay and sitting in jail in the Jackson Tn area.
LINK http://jacksonnewsnow.com/articles/local-news/sex-offender-arrested-on-two-counts-of-stalking
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 05:48 PM
could the "find" be a weapon with blood on it?
Thats a great ans!!!!! we can only wish!
evelyn24
04-25-2011, 05:49 PM
could the "find" be a weapon with blood on it?
He said it's something that belongs to Holly Bobo, per linked CNN video. And it's being analyzed at the lab now, and they hope it's another piece of the puzzle.
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:49 PM
I have changed my mind so many times! I think you guys are right about an ATV being too noisy. How thick are the woods around their home? Would it be possible to drive a truck not far from the home. Does someone know where there is a picture of the woods near the home? This time of year I wouldn't think it would be has thick with brush as later in the summer.
Maybe he has a truck with a camper on it. Definately could secure someone inside of that and probably wouldn't draw much attention going down the road. JMO
GoHard24
04-25-2011, 05:49 PM
I think whatever happend happend within the first hour she went missing.
He either tossed the stuff and went back to work. Not missing a beat.Or left town never to be seen again.
JMO
I agree with you there. I'm not sure why he'd make a stop by 100 Eaton St. before proceeding up 69. I still feel that it was infact the phone that was found and he wanted to ditch that first before they had any chance of tracking it at all. He knew that he'd be spotted a little time and it only took 10 minutes to get from her house to the address.
That leads to the next point. It really doesn't make sense for him to randomly choose 100 Eaton St. as an address to get rid of a piece of evidence. I feel he either had a connection with a business in that vicinity or was indeed trying to throw search efforts off. If he were truly trying to hide it, there are about 100 other ways to dispose of it without leaving it in sight. He could have thrown it in one of many rivers or bodies of waters, thrown it into some thick brush, put it in a dumpster, etc.
He then continues up 69 and starts to cut across. I'm not sure why he would throw the lunch bag out unless my original thought is correct and he already had disposed of everything else and found the lunch box still in the car. I think this is why they feel he is 50+ miles away. He chose to dispose of evidence nonchalantly rather than hide it well to give even less of a lead.
Carla Lashelle
04-25-2011, 05:50 PM
Nearly two weeks I said I think he had a car inside the woods close to the house. He got her out of her drive way, into the woods and into a car FAST. I suspect the screams were made when she was being put into the car or something like that. I do not think they travelled all around the woods on foot immediately after the abduction. Finding her lunch bag in the first day or so implies a car get away. Since we do not know what other items have been found or where they were found, we dont know if anything was ever found in all those woods searches. Recent evidence and searching has been in more urban areas.
evelyn24
04-25-2011, 05:54 PM
Up until yesterday, they were basically searching woods, then they asked searchers to search areas where something could be thrown from a car...could the "game changed" be that they now believe he has been in a car all along, not trooping Holly through the woods...
After watching the CNN video, I don't think they know whether or not it's a game changer. That was the term used by the CNN lady and he agreed, but mildly. He said he hopes the item can be used as a huge piece of the puzzle in finding out what happened to Holly.
YellowDog
04-25-2011, 05:54 PM
Maybe they found her pink shirt.
greengreen
04-25-2011, 05:56 PM
Here's the statement of where it was found:
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110424/NEWS25/110424003/Item-found-search-Holly-Bobo?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
"A group of volunteers walking along U.S. 641/Tenn. 69 today found an item near 100 Eaton St."
There is an article by the jackson sun at 5: something this same day that states the significant item was found in the previous 12 hours. It is one of my earlier posts and I'm trying to find it.
ensht
04-25-2011, 05:56 PM
It was the Kristi Cornwell case in GA & her brother didn't find the remains until 1 1/2 yrs later - he never gave up looking tho
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=136451&catid=288
Thanks.
BrookeBCNN Brooke Baldwin
TBI Director just told me this "significant" piece of evidence found over the weekend could be a "game changer." #HollyBobo
http://twitter.com/#!/BrookeBCNN
eta: retweeted to me by casesignal
To me can only be one thing and that's the cell. Maybe keys that were used to scratch the perp but who knows.
For the purpose of?
I agree with you there. I'm not sure why he'd make a stop by 100 Eaton St. before proceeding up 69. I still feel that it was infact the phone that was found and he wanted to ditch that first before they had any chance of tracking it at all. He knew that he'd be spotted a little time and it only took 10 minutes to get from her house to the address.
That leads to the next point. It really doesn't make sense for him to randomly choose 100 Eaton St. as an address to get rid of a piece of evidence. I feel he either had a connection with a business in that vicinity or was indeed trying to throw search efforts off. If he were truly trying to hide it, there are about 100 other ways to dispose of it without leaving it in sight. He could have thrown it in one of many rivers or bodies of waters, thrown it into some thick brush, put it in a dumpster, etc.
He then continues up 69 and starts to cut across. I'm not sure why he would throw the lunch bag out unless my original thought is correct and he already had disposed of everything else and found the lunch box still in the car. I think this is why they feel he is 50+ miles away. He chose to dispose of evidence nonchalantly rather than hide it well to give even less of a lead.
I guess the larger question is this....if the perp had Holly alive somewhere at the point he was tossing these things why would he be worried about the lunch bag if he had her in the car? Wouldn't that be the least of his problems? That's why I have little hope personally. Logically it makes no sense but maybe we're dealing with someone not logical. I guess the more they find in the area the less hope I have becaue like you said and others have said why dump them in plain sight?
Here's another hope. That the perp isn't that bright and had the phone for some time before realizing he had to dump it. In that case I'd say it's a game changer too.
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 05:56 PM
The fact that the volunteers were searching in the UT Parsons Campus roadway yesterday makes me think that LE believes he was watching (stalking) her. Why else would they be looking there? Doesn't make sense that they are looking for something of Holly's after the fact.
I am thinking more and more that he saw her first at school.
maskedwoman
04-25-2011, 05:57 PM
Interesting. I believe if it was her cell phone, they wouldn't put any question on whether or not it belonged to Holly. Why do they need to complicate the information that they are providing?
I agree. These searchers are a bit higher scale than the searchers in the Hailey Dunn case. They fight and bicker all day long there!
I think that we are dealing with a different type of LE agency here. This is not a local LE agency with a “spokesperson” talking daily. This is the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations. I think personally that they operate differently and likely have a different set of rules than a local agency. I think that could account for the secrecy. JMHO
You're right that they are a VERY lowkey agency. They are almost never on the news about anything. Just the occasional comment that TBI is assisting with this crime here or that crime there. Or that they arrested someone for having 800 pounds of pot in their car, lol. But rarely is there a statement.
I just checked their press room. It's the 116th day of 2011 and they have issued a total of 32 press releases all year long. So, about one every workweek. Not very chatty for the states highest law enforcement agency.
greengreen
04-25-2011, 05:59 PM
To our local friends
How unusual would an ATV at 7 am be in that area?
I know of areas where it wouldn't stand out at all as everyone has one and uses them to go feed their horses, check their property, put mail in the box, etc.... But what's the case in that area?
It would not stand out at all.
cocomod
04-25-2011, 06:02 PM
I am wondering about this new evidence. This is just a theory mind you, but could this "new" evidence be a picture out of her purse. Could Holly have possibly had a picture of a group of friends (and one of these friends is the perp)? Could Holly have thrown this picture out the window as a clue? Could this be a finger pointing to a possible perp?
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 06:02 PM
OK, so CNN person said "game changer" and LE kind of agreed? That is different...
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 06:03 PM
Does anyone really think Holly would be riding along with him in a car, and not tied up, probably in the back seat or on the floor? I just don't get a picture of her with hands free, rummaging through her purse for clues to leave, etc...
Carla Lashelle
04-25-2011, 06:04 PM
OK, so CNN person said "game changer" and LE kind of agreed? That is different...
Well someone else today said it might be important but werent sure. Lots of wishy washyness for sure. It either is or it isnt.
TopTop
04-25-2011, 06:04 PM
I think it could be the cell phone this time. What else could be a big piece of the puzzle or game changer?
:waitasec:
Why would the phone really change anything other than to indicate that the perp was in that area at some point over the past two weeks?
Carla Lashelle
04-25-2011, 06:05 PM
Does anyone really think Holly would be riding along with him in a car, and not tied up, probably in the back seat or on the floor? I just don't get a picture of her with hands free, rummaging through her purse for clues to leave, etc...
most people today have digital printed photos they do themselves or at Wal Greens not real film photographs. So one rain and the printed photo is mush anyway. But then also most people I know keep their photos in their camera and just show the camera instead of whipping out printed shots.
shefner
04-25-2011, 06:07 PM
Let's say if the significant item found was, for instance, a cell phone (Don't know that it was...just throwing something random out there). Why wouldn't they release that information? Wouldn't that freak our the perp? Even if he left it there for LE to find, they could hint that they have information on the phone thats helping them. Maybe he would risk doing something that would get him caught....
*sigh*
So disappointed they haven't found her....
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 06:08 PM
Thanks.
To me can only be one thing and that's the cell. Maybe keys that were used to scratch the perp but who knows.
I guess the larger question is this....if the perp had Holly alive somewhere at the point he was tossing these things why would he be worried about the lunch bag if he had her in the car? Wouldn't that be the least of his problems? That's why I have little hope personally. Logically it makes no sense but maybe we're dealing with someone not logical. I guess the more they find in the area the less hope I have becaue like you said and others have said why dump them in plain sight?
Here's another hope. That the perp isn't that bright and had the phone for some time before realizing he had to dump it. In that case I'd say it's a game changer too.
He is Bright enuff to not be in custody and Holly is still missing.
GoHard24
04-25-2011, 06:08 PM
I think their "guy" is from Holladay and sitting in jail in the Jackson Tn area.
LINK http://jacksonnewsnow.com/articles/local-news/sex-offender-arrested-on-two-counts-of-stalking
Wow. Very interesting. I don't think her brother could mistake a man that big for her boyfriend though but you never know.
20 miles away, the lunch box is almost perfectly between the two houses, the other attempted abduction makes a triangle with the two locations and the fastest way from Eaton to his house would be 69. Very, very interesting.
Could it be that he snapped after being caught and wanted to carry out his devious plans before court and jail?
lightlady
04-25-2011, 06:09 PM
Any chance that the cell phone was found, and that it had pictures on it? Pictures that proved important in some way?
The Farm
04-25-2011, 06:10 PM
I was following this thread alot at work today,,I was so hoping this would be the day.
Paulette
04-25-2011, 06:10 PM
I think their "guy" is from Holladay and sitting in jail in the Jackson Tn area.
LINK http://jacksonnewsnow.com/articles/local-news/sex-offender-arrested-on-two-counts-of-stalking
He's too big. Holly's brother thought it was the boyfriend, and this guy is too heavy. I don't think he would have confused this guy for the boyfriend.
Where would one get the booking info for him? Does anyone know?
evelyn24
04-25-2011, 06:12 PM
Why would the phone really change anything other than to indicate that the perp was in that area at some point over the past two weeks?
I know they don't need the physical cell to get all the call and text transmissions to and from the phone they can get that from the service provider. BUT you do need the physical cell to see what was actually written in the texts, or what pics are taken with the cell. The sim card could help if something interesting is on the cell.
Carla Lashelle
04-25-2011, 06:13 PM
Ok nitey nite y'all. Been sick this afternoon and need to chill. Play nice in the sandbox!
BellaCouture
04-25-2011, 06:13 PM
I have read this site in the past (you guys are amazing!), but for some reason this case just gnaws at me and I had to join.
Every day I hope for some good news about Holly, but none has come yet.
I sure hope LE is giving the family more info than they are giving the public, because look how maddening and frustrating it is for us bystanders. Can you imagine being her parents and knowing as little as we do? I wouldn't be able to take it.
As many of you have already said, I am sure LE has their reasons for keeping things so quiet, but I worry it may backfire... the less they are willing to talk, the less interested the media becomes and the less interested the public becomes, too. If there was a little more to go on, there could be even more publicity given and some great-aunt Ethel in Maine might hear about it and recall that her crazy great Nephew lives close to Darden, and come to think of it, he hasn't returned her calls for two weeks.That's all hypothetical of course, but you get what I mean. I think they need to give a little more than what they have been to keep this in the public eye, and to keep searchers wanting to search (especially those coming from out of area/state).
I also have to say how touched I am about how everyone has come together in her community and outside of her community. It makes you realize that most people truly are good and giving and generous at heart. I've been brought to tears and goosebumps many times over the last 12 days because of these selfless people.
(all of this is my own opinion, of course)
BBM-I totally agree. I am concerned that Holly's case may lose priority in the media. Her case needs to stay in the media, as the above poster mentioned, who knows who will see something suspicious in another state or whereever and leads could possibly come in.
I know her parents are devasted, but I wish they would try to find the courage to make a plea for Holly as well as keeping her story alive and out there. There are so many abductions that take place everday, I am afraid this case may lose its momentum.
Also I have thought that possibly there are two abductors-possibly a man and a woman? I am thinking this based on the Jaycee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart case. MOO.
Praying for you Holly!
Won'tforgetusername
04-25-2011, 06:15 PM
People in this area would do big shopping (wal-Mart type) in Lexington and reAlly big shopping (mall-type stores, target, wholesale club) in Jackson
I edited to add... It wouldn't be unusual for someone from parsons or holladay
to be in Jackson. Also, guys that are in hunting stuff often are layered/ have jackets on. The brother could have mistaken a big guy for someone that has on a big jacket.
Nehemiah
04-25-2011, 06:15 PM
Maybe he has a truck with a camper on it. Definately could secure someone inside of that and probably wouldn't draw much attention going down the road. JMO
or a horse trailer?
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 06:16 PM
Ok nitey nite y'all. Been sick this afternoon and need to chill. Play nice in the sandbox!
Nite nite, feel better :)
Nehemiah
04-25-2011, 06:16 PM
Nearly two weeks I said I think he had a car inside the woods close to the house. He got her out of her drive way, into the woods and into a car FAST. I suspect the screams were made when she was being put into the car or something like that. I do not think they travelled all around the woods on foot immediately after the abduction. Finding her lunch bag in the first day or so implies a car get away. Since we do not know what other items have been found or where they were found, we dont know if anything was ever found in all those woods searches. Recent evidence and searching has been in more urban areas.
I think most likely a pickup truck.
Quiche
04-25-2011, 06:18 PM
I can see the perp dumping something down the road from the school campus-- not knowing that he was spied at the home, he'd think it pointed at the school as the site of the abduction. jmo
cocomod
04-25-2011, 06:19 PM
Wow. Very interesting. I don't think her brother could mistake a man that big for her boyfriend though but you never know.
20 miles away, the lunch box is almost perfectly between the two houses, the other attempted abduction makes a triangle with the two locations and the fastest way from Eaton to his house would be 69. Very, very interesting.
Could it be that he snapped after being caught and wanted to carry out his devious plans before court and jail?
I remember someone else pointing this out as a theory before. It is interesting. He was arrested on the 18th, so he would have been free when Holly was abducted.
One of the news articles also mentioned that Clint didn't have his glasses or contacts in when he noticed Holly outside. That could account for a blurry recollection of the abductor.
If this IS the abductor, I am very sad. It leaves very little hope that Holly is alive out there after more than a week after his arrest. :(
Nehemiah
04-25-2011, 06:19 PM
For the purpose of?
I think there are two or three perps and they are young and dumb. I predict that they will eventually mess up and give themselves away because they aren't smart enough to know how to cover. Also, I think while they may have been in minor trouble as juveniles, they will not have adult criminal records...yet.
JMO of course.
curiousc
04-25-2011, 06:19 PM
I know they don't need the physical cell to get all the call and text transmissions to and from the phone they can get that from the service provider. BUT you do need the physical cell to see what was actually written in the texts, or what pics are taken with the cell. The sim card could help if something interesting is on the cell.
What if the perp took the SIM card out? Just saying. I hope if it is the cell phone that he did not do that.
Paulette
04-25-2011, 06:20 PM
He's too big. Holly's brother thought it was the boyfriend, and this guy is too heavy. I don't think he would have confused this guy for the boyfriend.
Where would one get the booking info for him? Does anyone know?
Got it. I'm not usually successful tracking down info, but today I was lucky.
I remember someone else pointing this out as a theory before. It is interesting. He was arrested on the 18th, so he would have been free when Holly was abducted.
One of the news articles also mentioned that Clint didn't have his glasses or contacts in when he noticed Holly outside. That could account for a blurry recollection of the abductor.
If this IS the abductor, I am very sad. It leaves very little hope that Holly is alive out there after more than a week after his arrest. :(
I think initially LE said they had checked into him and it was not related.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 06:22 PM
I know they don't need the physical cell to get all the call and text transmissions to and from the phone they can get that from the service provider. BUT you do need the physical cell to see what was actually written in the texts, or what pics are taken with the cell. The sim card could help if something interesting is on the cell.
I dont think anything will be on the phone. He would not toss out the phone if there was anything on it that led to HIM JMO
I would think he would run over it with his car and smash it!
JMO
liltexans
04-25-2011, 06:22 PM
What if the perp took the SIM card out? Just saying. I hope if it is the cell phone that he did not do that.
I was thinking the same thing. Those pictures of people that Will Nunley posted yesterday gave me the impression that the searchers were on their hands and knees looking for something very small.
Nehemiah
04-25-2011, 06:24 PM
This is what I have been wondering.
Maybe someone with more experience with these vehicles in a hunting or farming setting can explain how he would have transported her via ATV.
Would he have sat in the back, gun or weapon to her back and made her drive? That seems risky, they could see someone who knows her. She would stand out in her clothes compared to his camo.
Is there a human size cargo box that attaches to the back of these? I just can't visualize how he would use an ATV. I'm hoping someone can explain that.
Thanks!
My personal opinion is that if there were an ATV, the ATV went onto a trailer on the back of a truck, or was driven into a horse trailer being pulled by a truck. While riding ATVs here is very popular, I can't imagine: that someone is driving whilst riding a blonde on the front or back of one with her either bleeding and silent, or screaming. JMO of course.
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 06:24 PM
I can see the perp dumping something down the road from the school campus-- not knowing that he was spied at the home, he'd think it pointed at the school as the site of the abduction. jmo
exactly! He might not have known (until he dumped everything) that he had been spotted... that makes sense to me...
but the part about the school being the site of the abduction...that wouldn't work with her car being at home (and if she didn't have a car and got a ride... she wouldn't have been there for the pick up etc)..
note: I am only throwing out all possibilities because we don't know much of anything about that morning (re: if Holly even has a car and what kind of car it is!!!!)
but I so agree with you... the perp may not have even known he was spied from the window...
Irish_Eyes
04-25-2011, 06:24 PM
Post 847 on the scanner thread may be of interest...not anything big, just an fyi. Sorry I don't know how to link to a specific post on another thread...
cluciano63
04-25-2011, 06:27 PM
This is totally a one-man crime to me...
liltexans
04-25-2011, 06:27 PM
Post 847 on the scanner thread may be of interest...not anything big, just an fyi. Sorry I don't know how to link to a specific post on another thread...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134227&page=34
greengreen
04-25-2011, 06:30 PM
The fact that the volunteers were searching in the UT Parsons Campus roadway yesterday makes me think that LE believes he was watching (stalking) her. Why else would they be looking there? Doesn't make sense that they are looking for something of Holly's after the fact.
I am thinking more and more that he saw her first at school.
That is on the same highway as some of the other places. I believe they were searching the roadways and shoulders.
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 06:31 PM
This is totally a one-man crime to me...
ITA... and I also think (at this time) that it is a horse... not a zebra...
eta: that is what we say in the medical profession... in other words start with the simplest explanation
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 06:32 PM
Ok nitey nite y'all. Been sick this afternoon and need to chill. Play nice in the sandbox!
Ciao Carla feel better!:seeya:
ensht
04-25-2011, 06:35 PM
He is Bright enuff to not be in custody and Holly is still missing.
I'm not sure he/they are all that bright. There are countless really dumb criminals that get away with things.
Does anyone really think Holly would be riding along with him in a car, and not tied up, probably in the back seat or on the floor? I just don't get a picture of her with hands free, rummaging through her purse for clues to leave, etc...
No. That's why I'm guessing this was an after the fact thing or done by an accomplice?
Why would the phone really change anything other than to indicate that the perp was in that area at some point over the past two weeks?
What if it was storing GPS data like the iphone does even without a sim card? And that GPS data could be correlated to a perps cell data or car GPS data?
He's too big. Holly's brother thought it was the boyfriend, and this guy is too heavy. I don't think he would have confused this guy for the boyfriend.
Where would one get the booking info for him? Does anyone know? When I looked up his name I got a bookings site listed him at 6 feet 210 pounds which isn't far off the description from the brother.
What if the perp took the SIM card out? Just saying. I hope if it is the cell phone that he did not do that.
I'm not sure it matters. That's a tv crime show stunt. If it's an iphone it doesn't need the SIM card for GPS functions to work and far as I know the flaw announced last week of it storing GPS data....that's done on the phone not the SIM.
Think about it. IF they do have her phone they can do what the brother did in the case in GA. They can now look at the phones that may have been in the general area of the exact trail her phone took, or better yet was in the same area as the end point signal of her phone.
I think this is the game changer if it's her phone. I pray that it is and I'm not a religous person.
norest4thewicked
04-25-2011, 06:37 PM
Just a thought here that I don't think anyone else has mentioned. I doubt that the abductor thought he was seen. He most likely didn't know that Holly's brother was home. Remember, he did this after the parents left for work. Does that change the thoughts about why items might have been discarded in the way they were? I wonder if he left something at the school of significance thinking that she would most likely never be thought to have been abducted way out in the woods that she lives in. It would be more likely that she would be abducted perhaps at school. Her car would have been left there at her home, but people would be confused about that and wonder if she somehow got a ride to school for whatever reason and was abducted at the school. Would that possibly point to another abductor? I'm getting the picture that this guy had a plan to confuse LE in the first place by planting the clues. This would be good news in that (in this scenario) he abducted her and got her out of there by car as quickly as he could, got her to the place he is holding her (incapacitated of course) and went back either that day or even a couple of days after (I don't remember what day they found the lunch bag) and then began to leave "clues" that would lead LE in another direction.
If the purpose was something more sinister, he would have done it in the beginning and wouldn't really care if she was found because he thought he had kept any trace of his identity out of it.
There are other scenarios I'm sure could be thought of because he doesn't know that LE had a witness seeing him do the abduction.
Also, the guy listed above as a possible abductor who was stalking other girls, I think this actually could be another possibility. If the brother was able to make out camo and it being worn by a man, he would just logically relate it to the boyfriend because it is what Holly and him wore a lot when hunting. From a distance, and with no glasses on, he might have been able to make out the camo, but not the exact height and weight and guessed on that. After all, that guesstimate about the ht and wt of the abductor was pretty general.
Just a thought. Would love to hear all of yours.
nursebeeme
04-25-2011, 06:40 PM
Reportedly, the cell phone was located on side of the road on Hwy. 69 in Parsons, near Holly's father's place of employment,
WOW! Now that last sentence IS significant information.
got to be careful with this article.. it is not main stream media...
also didn't Green say that Dana Bobo ran his own tree service company out of his home? Media has also described him as being in tree service and self employed..
I have to say though... when I first read that fox news tweet I was like...for real????
but I am starting to really think they could have found her phone...
moo....
Irish_Eyes
04-25-2011, 06:41 PM
Wow...this RSO sure does seem interesting....is RSO in Benton Co. which is north of Decatur. I'll have to look at the map to see if you would take 69 to get there....BUT....currently in Jackson (Henderson Co.) for stalking two women in malls and making inappropriate sexual comments to them and also being publicly indecent....AND Dickson has pending charges of indecency, simple assault and attempted kidnapping...!!!!....Dickson county is due North of Hickman County where HS's attacker was frightened off in January. A possibility for sure
norest4thewicked
04-25-2011, 06:42 PM
Wow...this RSO sure does seem interesting....is RSO in Benton Co. which is north of Decatur. I'll have to look at the map to see if you would take 69 to get there....BUT....currently in Jackson (Henderson Co.) for stalking two women in malls and making inappropriate sexual comments to them and also being publicly indecent....AND Dickson has pending charges of indecency, simple assault and attempted kidnapping...!!!!....Dickson county is due North of Hickman County where HS's attacker was frightened off in January. A possibility for sure
I wonder if Heather Sullivan could identify him?
greengreen
04-25-2011, 06:43 PM
got to be careful with this article.. it is not main stream media...
also didn't Green say that Dana Bobo ran his own tree service company out of his home? Media has also described him as being in tree service and self employed..
I have to say though... when I first read that fox news tweet I was like...for real????
but I am starting to really think they could have found her phone...
moo....
No. I never said he had his own tree service.
norest4thewicked
04-25-2011, 06:43 PM
I don't know how significant that is....if the perp is trying to divert attention away from himself he might plant the phone near her fathers place of employment........
Yes, I agree...as I said in my "novel" above....haha
ensht
04-25-2011, 06:44 PM
Just a thought here that I don't think anyone else has mentioned. I doubt that the abductor thought he was seen. He most likely didn't know that Holly's brother was home. Remember, he did this after the parents left for work. Does that change the thoughts about why items might have been discarded in the way they were? I wonder if he left something at the school of significance thinking that she would most likely never be thought to have been abducted way out in the woods that she lives in. It would be more likely that she would be abducted perhaps at school. Her car would have been left there at her home, but people would be confused about that and wonder if she somehow got a ride to school for whatever reason and was abducted at the school. Would that possibly point to another abductor? I'm getting the picture that this guy had a plan to confuse LE in the first place by planting the clues. This would be good news in that (in this scenario) he abducted her and got her out of there by car as quickly as he could, got her to the place he is holding her (incapacitated of course) and went back either that day or even a couple of days after (I don't remember what day they found the lunch bag) and then began to leave "clues" that would lead LE in another direction.
If the purpose was something more sinister, he would have done it in the beginning and wouldn't really care if she was found because he thought he had kept any trace of his identity out of it.
There are other scenarios I'm sure could be thought of because he doesn't know that LE had a witness seeing him do the abduction.
Also, the guy listed above as a possible abductor who was stalking other girls, I think this actually could be another possibility. If the brother was able to make out camo and it being worn by a man, he would just logically relate it to the boyfriend because it is what Holly and him wore a lot when hunting. From a distance, and with no glasses on, he might have been able to make out the camo, but not the exact height and weight and guessed on that. After all, that guesstimate about the ht and wt of the abductor was pretty general.
Just a thought. Would love to hear all of yours.
I think the brother may have done what we all do. When you look at something quickly your mind can play tricks on you. It's like when you see someone in a public place from a weird angle and think it's your friend but it's a total stranger. The thing that's different about the guy in jail...no reports he stalked people in camo. I get the impression he's been ruled out on this but I'm not sure why or how.
As far as the evidence goes....my thought is if it is a local person he was dumping stuff after he found out there was a big response and prior to heading home. IE, looking for places to dump stuff that might implicate him absent any trace of her or other evidence.
Anyway, time for some other things. I hope they're getting as close as we think.
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-25-2011, 06:45 PM
The dad owns an operates Bobo's Timber Services with an address on Swan Johnson rd
CAR2DRIVE2009
04-25-2011, 06:45 PM
I don't necessarily suspect the family, but I do think it is very strange that they don't appear to be searching, or speaking out on Her behalf. Boyfriend either for that matter.
Irish_Eyes
04-25-2011, 06:45 PM
I'm guessing that was yesterday's find? Do we have any hints on today's?
What did I miss? Was there another significant find today?
greengreen
04-25-2011, 06:48 PM
It has never been reported that the cell phone found was Holly's right? There has been so much incorrect reporting in this case I am doubtful that the phone found was actually hers.
norest4thewicked
04-25-2011, 06:49 PM
I don't necessarily suspect the family, but I do think it is very strange that they don't appear to be searching, or speaking out on Her behalf. Boyfriend either for that matter.
I don't find that strange in the least bit. As a mother, I wouldn't be able to function, much less be out searching. My GOD - can you imagine if her own mother found her? I think that some parents/family members might be able to do it, but I think that there are as just as many who can't. Not at all strange.
And, besides, how do you know that they aren't searching? That none of the family is searching?
cocomod
04-25-2011, 06:49 PM
I agree that this new article needs to be held with a grain of salt. I hate that blogging news articles can print what ever they want as if it is fact.
I have long stood on this one that the family is NOT involved. My meter on this just seems to indicate outside sources. I do not want to be wrong. I just hope that my instincts are right this time.
I think that this RSO could have potential. However, I would imagine that LE would be all over him trying to connect him to the crime. I think this would be a slam dunk IF they believed he was the perp. He seems like a sloppy criminal to me. JMHO
CAR2DRIVE2009
04-25-2011, 06:55 PM
I don't find that strange in the least bit. As a mother, I wouldn't be able to function, much less be out searching. My GOD - can you imagine if her own mother found her? I think that some parents/family members might be able to do it, but I think that there are as just as many who can't. Not at all strange.
And, besides, how do you know that they aren't searching? That none of the family is searching?
Key phrase being "don't appear to be" clearly I don't know for sure. If it was my family member, or girlfriend, wild horses couldn't stop me from searching.
ensht
04-25-2011, 06:56 PM
It has never been reported that the cell phone found was Holly's right? There has been so much incorrect reporting in this case I am doubtful that the phone found was actually hers.
Whatever was found was in the lab for analysis per TBI links posted upstream.
iphones for instance...the ID is not readily available on the outside of the case. Someone would have to open a dead battery/fried phone to get to it and confirm and I am certain that'd be done by the lab techs.
VicVixvi
04-25-2011, 06:57 PM
True, but at this point, it's not confirmed that she had anything but the clothes on her back and her lunchbox.
In the news story at:
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14504915/holly-bobo-search-volunteers-answer-call-for-help-on-easter-sunday
Jeff Greer of the Henderson County Rescue is quoted as saying, "Anywhere that's far enough to toss a bag, a purse, jewelry, keys, just something off into the woods,".
People being interviewed, even those being careful not to give clues, are going to relate what is on their mind.
From that I extrapolate that those are the items that the search teams were told to look for, hence this is probably very close to a list of what Holly was known to be carrying. (note that he doesn't say anything about a cell phone, which further extrapolation tells me that authorities already have it).
Of course, all just MOO.
LegallyBrown
04-25-2011, 06:58 PM
I think there are two or three perps and they are young and dumb. I predict that they will eventually mess up and give themselves away because they aren't smart enough to know how to cover. Also, I think while they may have been in minor trouble as juveniles, they will not have adult criminal records...yet.
JMO of course.
I agree EXPRESSLY with everything you have said here.
Emma Peel
04-25-2011, 06:59 PM
Key phrase being "don't appear to be" clearly I don't know for sure. If it was my family member, or girlfriend, wild horses couldn't stop me from searching.
just from observing these things...
It's not uncommon for immediate family to be discouraged from searching. It's also not uncommon - at first - when searches are happening - for LE to have detail/liason with immediate family - sometimes round-the-clock. JMO
another nosey mom
04-25-2011, 07:00 PM
Does anyone know what kind of cell phone Holly had? Also, is it possible she came back from the woods after her brother saw her and got into vehicle? If the brush was so thick behind their house, wouldn't they see an open or trampled down spot where entry was made?
curiousc
04-25-2011, 07:03 PM
There was a "rumor" on day one that LE found her cell phone just inside of the woods behind her home. LE will not confirm this, so it is just one more rumor that has been out there. It is frustrating to not have even know some of these small details! :maddening:
I read elsewhere that it was a searcher who dropped their cell phone at that time...it wasn't Holly's.
goldiegirl
04-25-2011, 07:04 PM
In reference to the RSO
I wonder if Heather Sullivan could identify him?
Very good thought! I wonder, too. I hope they are still working closely with HS, because I really suspect a connection.
evelyn24
04-25-2011, 07:04 PM
Just a thought here that I don't think anyone else has mentioned. I doubt that the abductor thought he was seen. He most likely didn't know that Holly's brother was home. Remember, he did this after the parents left for work. Does that change the thoughts about why items might have been discarded in the way they were? I wonder if he left something at the school of significance thinking that she would most likely never be thought to have been abducted way out in the woods that she lives in. It would be more likely that she would be abducted perhaps at school. Her car would have been left there at her home, but people would be confused about that and wonder if she somehow got a ride to school for whatever reason and was abducted at the school. Would that possibly point to another abductor? I'm getting the picture that this guy had a plan to confuse LE in the first place by planting the clues. This would be good news in that (in this scenario) he abducted her and got her out of there by car as quickly as he could, got her to the place he is holding her (incapacitated of course) and went back either that day or even a couple of days after (I don't remember what day they found the lunch bag) and then began to leave "clues" that would lead LE in another direction.
If the purpose was something more sinister, he would have done it in the beginning and wouldn't really care if she was found because he thought he had kept any trace of his identity out of it.
There are other scenarios I'm sure could be thought of because he doesn't know that LE had a witness seeing him do the abduction.
Also, the guy listed above as a possible abductor who was stalking other girls, I think this actually could be another possibility. If the brother was able to make out camo and it being worn by a man, he would just logically relate it to the boyfriend because it is what Holly and him wore a lot when hunting. From a distance, and with no glasses on, he might have been able to make out the camo, but not the exact height and weight and guessed on that. After all, that guesstimate about the ht and wt of the abductor was pretty general.
Just a thought. Would love to hear all of yours.
Considering her car was still in the car port at her parents home, meaning she never left that morning in her car, the entire "he threw evidence by her school to fool LE as to where she was abducted" scenario doesn't quite make sense.
GoHard24
04-25-2011, 07:07 PM
I don't think that article has any validity. I would believe a searcher saying they found it at 100 Eaton St. over a blog that says it was a mile further down the road.
Green, where does Dana Bobo run his business? I have a strange feeling that this guy is or was employed by him at one point. Quite a few small businesses come up via Google but Bobo's Timber Service comes up with nothing. Do we know how many people he employs approximately?
norest4thewicked
04-25-2011, 07:10 PM
Key phrase being "don't appear to be" clearly I don't know for sure. If it was my family member, or girlfriend, wild horses couldn't stop me from searching.
Well..that's you. And I'm glad that you feel you would be able to. But, no one really knows until they are in that position what they would do. For all I know, I'd be able to search, but I pray I never have to find out.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 07:11 PM
I don't think that article has any validity. I would believe a searcher saying they found it at 100 Eaton St. over a blog that says it was a mile further down the road.
Green, where does Dana Bobo run his business? I have a strange feeling that this guy is or was employed by him at one point. Quite a few small businesses come up via Google but Bobo's Timber Service comes up with nothing. Do we know how many people he employs approximately?
ONE as i saw
addy is his home
Soul125
04-25-2011, 07:13 PM
What makes no sense to me is why would this person just drop the cell phone or any other item for that fact in a place where it could be found so easily? Why not just throw all the things that could connect to Holly in a pond, lake, etc? It makes no sense to just throw things all over the local area.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 07:14 PM
What makes no sense to me is why would this person just drop the cell phone or any other item for that fact in a place where it could be found so easily? Why not just throw all the things that could connect to Holly in a pond, lake, etc? It makes no sense to just throw things all over the local area.
Im not so sure its a cell phone!
Shollenberger
04-25-2011, 07:15 PM
LOL Stop.
Anyway, I know the blogger isn't the most reliable source but really, what else belongs to Holly that could be a huge piece of the puzzle? If she had an iphone or an elaborate cell, the info that can be gained if something is there would be significant.
Pure speculation but if it was a phone and if it was an iphone, it tracks usage.
"The news that the iPhone secretly tracks and records the location data of its users came as a shock to many, but it turns out security researchers have known about it for some time."
http://www.livescience.com/13860-iphone-tracking-truth.html
not_my_kids
04-25-2011, 07:15 PM
Wow...this RSO sure does seem interesting....is RSO in Benton Co. which is north of Decatur. I'll have to look at the map to see if you would take 69 to get there....BUT....currently in Jackson (Henderson Co.) for stalking two women in malls and making inappropriate sexual comments to them and also being publicly indecent....AND Dickson has pending charges of indecency, simple assault and attempted kidnapping...!!!!....Dickson county is due North of Hickman County where HS's attacker was frightened off in January. A possibility for sure
This man has been ruled out as a suspect per statements made by LE and published in the Jackson Sun, only last Friday, I do believe. I am certain of the statement, not of the link. It's the article that details everyone with their various injuries and illnesses that are helping in the search, and was at the top of the second page of that article. He is not related.
cocomod
04-25-2011, 07:16 PM
ONE as i saw
addy is his home
I don't think he works out of his home. They say that he has a routine and leaves the house about the same time everyday. They think that the perp knew this when he took Holly. I think that father works out of the home.
Gofigure
04-25-2011, 07:16 PM
Local news channel WSMV Nashville just reported no new evidence found today, volunteers will not be called back to search any further. Case will be turned over to LE and emergency rescue personnel. This hasn't been updated on the wsmv.com website so I do not have a link. Please delete if this should not be posted yet. Just wanted to share, this is a very credible news channel.
CHARLISA
04-25-2011, 07:17 PM
I wouldnt post his business number thats why i didnt post a link
You just did, delete yours too
Does anyone really think Holly would be riding along with him in a car, and not tied up, probably in the back seat or on the floor? I just don't get a picture of her with hands free, rummaging through her purse for clues to leave, etc...
Sure, if he had a gun sitting on his lap. (Totally not saying I think that, just saying).
Personally I think he dropped evidence all over likely without her in the vehicle.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 07:18 PM
Pure speculation but if it was a phone and if it was an iphone, it tracks usage.
"The news that the iPhone secretly tracks and records the location data of its users came as a shock to many, but it turns out security researchers have known about it for some time."
http://www.livescience.com/13860-iphone-tracking-truth.html
thats awesome! why cant they invent something to track our children?
norest4thewicked
04-25-2011, 07:18 PM
Considering her car was still in the car port at her parents home, meaning she never left that morning in her car, the entire "he threw evidence by her school to fool LE as to where she was abducted" scenario doesn't quite make sense.
First of all, her car wasn't in a car port. Secondly, I explained how this all would work in the post. It might not make sense to you, but it clearly makes sense to me in that the abductor might want LE to be confused as to any number of people who might have taken her from her school and would be investigating them first...giving him more time to cover himself.
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 07:19 PM
First of all, her car wasn't in a car port. Secondly, I explained how this all would work in the post. It might not make sense to you, but it clearly makes sense to me in that the abductor might want LE to be confused as to any number of people who might have taken her from her school and would be investigating them first...giving him more time to cover himself.
Where was her car?
scorekeeper
04-25-2011, 07:19 PM
No. I never said he had his own tree service.
GG,
Thanks for joining WS and taking time out of your busy days to help us.
1. Does the Bobo family have any ties to McKenzie Tree Service?
2. A call was received with information sometime Saturday/Sunday which led to finding a piece of evidence, is that correct? I think the call was the "significant" thing.
More important, thank you for helping in the searches....
score
another nosey mom
04-25-2011, 07:20 PM
I don't know how they would know it was Holly's cell phone? If they found a cell phone it would have to be tested or at least charged - if it has been on the side of the road through all of the weather I doubt it would work ??? Not many cell phones have any distinguising features that it is 'yours' - ie no name on it, etc. They may have found one but I would think it would take a day or so to say it was for sure hers - imo
SweetSkit
04-25-2011, 07:20 PM
Maybe the caller knows who it is who took her....
They should have just told them everything they know if they knew where the phone was because now they are going to be in the spotlight...
(IF it was the phone)
another nosey mom
04-25-2011, 07:21 PM
thats awesome! why cant they invent something to track our children?
we can track our cell phones, ipads, pets, but not our kids :waitasec:
Emma Peel
04-25-2011, 07:23 PM
LOL Stop.
Anyway, I know the blogger isn't the most reliable source but really, what else belongs to Holly that could be a huge piece of the puzzle? If she had an iphone or an elaborate cell, the info that can be gained if something is there would be significant.
sowwy. couldn't resist. ;)
I have no good answers. Only wishes. I could think of many things I wish that it were.
For example. I wish ... that they found her discarded license AND his.
Then I change my mind b/c I don't even like that thought.
Okay. Try again.
I wish that they found a note from Holly saying she's safe and where they can find her.
Just very sad that there's been no progress here...
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 07:23 PM
Maybe the caller knows who it is who took her....
They should have just told them everything they know if they knew where the phone was because now they are going to be in the spotlight...
(IF it was the phone)
Could of just been a man walking down the road that saw it.
and called it in.
Plumeria5
04-25-2011, 07:23 PM
I don't think he works out of his home. They say that he has a routine and leaves the house about the same time everyday. They think that the perp knew this when he took Holly. I think that father works out of the home.
I would think a tree service would need some large equipment so does he store that in the outbuilding on his property or does he store it near Eaton?
norest4thewicked
04-25-2011, 07:24 PM
Where was her car?
It was at the home. There isn't a car port on the house but a patio that people in that area call a car port for whatever reason.
evelyn24
04-25-2011, 07:24 PM
First of all, her car wasn't in a car port. Secondly, I explained how this all would work in the post. It might not make sense to you, but it clearly makes sense to me in that the abductor might want LE to be confused as to any number of people who might have taken her from her school and would be investigating them first...giving him more time to cover himself.
Where was her car, was it at her parents home?
If it was at her parents property then it makes no sense that anyone in LE would be fooled into thinking she was abducted at her school when the car would be a clear indication she never left on her own that morning.
I guess he could be trying to throw suspicion at another student at Holly's school, but I thought you were saying it could have been tossed in order to make LE think she was actually abducted from school not the home. Sorry if I misunderstood.
Capri
04-25-2011, 07:24 PM
BrookeBCNN Brooke Baldwin
TBI Director just told me this "significant" piece of evidence found over the weekend could be a "game changer." #HollyBobo
http://twitter.com/#!/BrookeBCNN
eta: retweeted to me by casesignal
Apologising in advance for the frustration here....but these little "catch phrases" that LE is throwing out..."significant", "game changer"...tell us nothing. They are neither positive nor negative & they're so broad, that they may as well not say anything......ok, rant over, ...stepping away from the 'puter now.....................
Plumeria5
04-25-2011, 07:25 PM
thats awesome! why cant they invent something to track our children?
and our pets!
Eileen730
04-25-2011, 07:25 PM
we can track our cell phones, ipads, pets, but not our kids :waitasec:
Exactly my dogs are microchipped! Heck ill be able to find my dogs but not my children!
Rallihanna
04-25-2011, 07:25 PM
sowwy. couldn't resist. ;)
I have no good answers. Only wishes. I could think of many things I wish that it were.
For example. I wish ... that they found her discarded license AND his.
Then I change my mind b/c I don't even like that thought.
Okay. Try again.
I wish that they found a note from Holly saying she's safe and where they can find her.
Just very sad that there's been no progress here...
I agree... just seems like they've gone nowhere.
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