View Full Version : TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #17
imamaze
04-26-2011, 09:58 PM
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
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southern_scout
04-26-2011, 10:02 PM
Horrible weather coming that way. It's been news all day.
Tornado warning issued for Decatur. Please y'all be careful!
greengreen
04-26-2011, 10:06 PM
Yeah it sounds ominous. As far as the river search I know they had dive teams and were using some kind of technology to map the bottom that would indicate a body. I also remember reading that it was also dependent on the person interpreting the scan. FWIW
Rallihanna
04-26-2011, 10:08 PM
The randomness of the items being scattered is what is throwing me off. There is no reason a perp would spread evidence- why not hide it? It's almost like someone wanted it to be found...
That's why I had to ask the question on her running away. But I take everyone's feedback on that it's not something she would have done.
Wondergirl
04-26-2011, 10:09 PM
I realize that hunting and camoflage clothing is a big part of life in TN (as I have read here), but, it amazes me at the number of males who continue to wear the same clothing as the perpetrator of Holly's abduction, while searching for her!
No disrespect meant, it's great that they are out searching, but, maybe if there is a male who would normally "always" wear camo, who was out searching for Holly without his usual camo on, then maybe it would provide a clue, kwim?
Look at the guys (and gals) wearing camo in this pic! It actually tells us alot about the deep rooted hunting nature of the community, really.
http://cmsimg.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DQ&Date=20110424&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=104240801&Ref=PH&Item=10&Maxw=620&Maxh=465&q=60
http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DQ&Dato=20110424&Kategori=PHOTOGALLERIES01&Lopenr=104240801&Ref=PH
Emma Peel
04-26-2011, 10:10 PM
motive?
revenge?
a debt?
a hazing/initiation?
a pregnancy?
... can be a motive.
hoping not the case here, but ... as there is some discussion about young people and drama ...
Capri
04-26-2011, 10:11 PM
It's not just the river, either. There are bodies of water everywhere around her house.
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr267/photologie/Snagit1-33.png
Soul125
04-26-2011, 10:15 PM
The randomness of the items being scattered is what is throwing me off. There is no reason a perp would spread evidence- why not hide it? It's almost like someone wanted it to be found...
That's why I had to ask the question on her running away. But I take everyone's feedback on that it's not something she would have done.
The evidence spreading if probably to keep LE from going in one direction after the abductor. That way they have no idea which way this person took her. Plus, we don't really know what evidence they have that is really Holly's except for the lunchbox.
greengreen
04-26-2011, 10:15 PM
I realize that hunting and camoflage clothing is a big part of life in TN (as I have read here), but, it amazes me at the number of males who continue to wear the same clothing as the perpetrator of Holly's abduction, while searching for her!
No disrespect meant, it's great that they are out searching, but, maybe if there is a male who would normally "always" wear camo, who was out searching for Holly without his usual camo on, then maybe it would provide a clue, kwim?
Look at the guys (and gals) wearing camo in this pic! It actually tells us alot about the deep rooted hunting nature of the community, really.
http://cmsimg.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DQ&Date=20110424&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=104240801&Ref=PH&Item=10&Maxw=620&Maxh=465&q=60
http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DQ&Dato=20110424&Kategori=PHOTOGALLERIES01&Lopenr=104240801&Ref=PH
At some point we were told to wear thick pants because of the briars and whatnot. As you can see, this translated to all of us as hunting pants.
greengreen
04-26-2011, 10:16 PM
It's not just the river, either. There are bodies of water everywhere around her house.
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr267/photologie/Snagit1-33.png
Ponds are everywhere.
Plumeria5
04-26-2011, 10:17 PM
Mark Gwyn said "sometimes things are not as they appear"
What do you think he meant by that ruling out that she didn't just run away.
s_finch
04-26-2011, 10:19 PM
I realize that hunting and camoflage clothing is a big part of life in TN (as I have read here), but, it amazes me at the number of males who continue to wear the same clothing as the perpetrator of Holly's abduction, while searching for her!
No disrespect meant, it's great that they are out searching, but, maybe if there is a male who would normally "always" wear camo, who was out searching for Holly without his usual camo on, then maybe it would provide a clue, kwim?
Look at the guys (and gals) wearing camo in this pic! It actually tells us alot about the deep rooted hunting nature of the community, really.
http://cmsimg.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DQ&Date=20110424&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=104240801&Ref=PH&Item=10&Maxw=620&Maxh=465&q=60
http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DQ&Dato=20110424&Kategori=PHOTOGALLERIES01&Lopenr=104240801&Ref=PH
Well if I've learned one thing it is that camo isn't worn across the nation as it is here in the south, lol. My husband doesn't even hunt anymore and we have all kinds of camo pants, shirts, hats, gloves, netting, ...I don't think he has any camo duct tape now that I think about it. I'm sitting here with a pink John Deere camo blanket across my lap, lol. In the south, Camo is as common as blue jeans. And you know you're a Bubba if you bring your newborn baby boy home in camo---seriously, some people do!
greengreen
04-26-2011, 10:24 PM
Mark Gwyn said "sometimes things are not as they appear"
What do you think he meant by that ruling out that she didn't just run away.
I took it to mean they know who did it even though it appears that they do not and that they have much more evidence than what has been released.
Wondergirl
04-26-2011, 10:24 PM
Well if I've learned one thing it is that camo isn't worn across the nation as it is here in the south, lol. My husband doesn't even hunt anymore and we have all kinds of camo pants, shirts, hats, gloves, netting, ...I don't think he has any camo duct tape now that I think about it. I'm sitting here with a pink John Deere camo blanket across my lap, lol. In the south, Camo is as common as blue jeans. And you know you're a Bubba if you bring your newborn baby boy home in camo---seriously, some people do!
BBM: Or if your first trip out with Baby Bubba is to Cabela's, lol. J/K :crazy:
Gofigure
04-26-2011, 10:25 PM
Well if I've learned one thing it is that camo isn't worn across the nation as it is here in the south, lol. My husband doesn't even hunt anymore and we have all kinds of camo pants, shirts, hats, gloves, netting, ...I don't think he has any camo duct tape now that I think about it. I'm sitting here with a pink John Deere camo blanket across my lap, lol. In the south, Camo is as common as blue jeans. And you know you're a Bubba if you bring your newborn baby boy home in camo---seriously, some people do!
LOL! What? No camo tux?
shefner
04-26-2011, 10:25 PM
Speculating, fwiw....
IF the abductor killed Holly right away, then I think all of her items would have still been with her, most likely buried to keep all evidence hidden. The fact that several items have been strewn suggests that the abductor is intentionally toying with LE....and perhaps has kept Holly alive, almost taking a "catch me if you can" kind of tactic.
greengreen
04-26-2011, 10:26 PM
Well if I've learned one thing it is that camo isn't worn across the nation as it is here in the south, lol. My husband doesn't even hunt anymore and we have all kinds of camo pants, shirts, hats, gloves, netting, ...I don't think he has any camo duct tape now that I think about it. I'm sitting here with a pink John Deere camo blanket across my lap, lol. In the south, Camo is as common as blue jeans. And you know you're a Bubba if you bring your newborn baby boy home in camo---seriously, some people do!
LOL! I would see people asking did the brother not think it was odd that she was walking away with someone into the woods with camo on? And I'm siting there thinking no I would have wondered why he didn't have on camo if he was in the woods. Not funny I know but people really don't realize just how common it is.
Plumeria5
04-26-2011, 10:30 PM
I took it to mean they know who did it even though it appears that they do not and that they have much more evidence than what has been released.
Just a thought, maybe the blood was the abductor's. They were able to make a DNA match as he has a record. But, they don't know "where" he is. Just looks like if that were the case they wouldn't be searching so much along roadsides as they would be checking abandoned houses, cabins, and the woods.
Wondergirl
04-26-2011, 10:31 PM
LOL! I would see people asking did the brother not think it was odd that she was walking away with someone into the woods with camo on? And I'm siting there thinking no I would have wondered why he didn't have on camo if he was in the woods. Not funny I know but people really don't realize just how common it is.
It's a great point, and one which is very important, I think.
He had camo on because he had been or was planning on being, in the woods.
But then again, I guess it is probably common to wear the camo in town etc. also, or would it be? Is wearing camo restricted to being in the woods, or is it worn everywhere?
greengreen
04-26-2011, 10:31 PM
Just a thought, maybe the blood was the abductor's. They were able to make a DNA match as he has a record. But, they don't know "where" he is. Just looks like if that were the case they wouldn't be searching so much along roadsides as they would be checking abandoned houses, cabins, and the woods.
Right. If someone is missing I have not heard about it. FWIW
liltexans
04-26-2011, 10:32 PM
Mark Gwyn said "sometimes things are not as they appear"
What do you think he meant by that ruling out that she didn't just run away.
Could it mean that it appeared at first as if only 1 man abducted Holly and now LE thinks there is more than 1 abductor?
greengreen
04-26-2011, 10:36 PM
It's a great point, and one which is very important, I think.
He had camo on because he had been or was planning on being, in the woods.
But then again, I guess it is probably common to wear the camo in town etc. also, or would it be? Is wearing camo restricted to being in the woods, or is it worn everywhere?
Oh it's everywhere. Grocery store, bank, wherever you need to go in town, not unusual at all to have on camo.
Plumeria5
04-26-2011, 10:36 PM
Could it mean that it appeared at first as if only 1 man abducted Holly and now LE thinks there is more than 1 abductor?
Possibly. They think a second person is planting the evidence?
Gofigure
04-26-2011, 10:37 PM
Just a thought, maybe the blood was the abductor's. They were able to make a DNA match as he has a record. But, they don't know "where" he is. Just looks like if that were the case they wouldn't be searching so much along roadsides as they would be checking abandoned houses, cabins, and the woods.
I do hope, beyond hope, that LE is checking places like this out, they are just using the searchers to look for evidence that may be related to Holly. It would be perfect if they do have a DNA match, searchers can help to build a case because of all they are doing to help.
greengreen
04-26-2011, 10:37 PM
Oh it's everywhere. Grocery store, bank, wherever you need to go in town, not unusual at all to have on camo.
Let me add that everyone is not dressed that way.
AmandaReckonwith
04-26-2011, 10:38 PM
Case archive album:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/
Plumeria5
04-26-2011, 10:42 PM
Graph showing interest in the case is falling off drastically.
http://boardreader.com/s/holly%20bobo.html
s_finch
04-26-2011, 10:43 PM
It's a great point, and one which is very important, I think.
He had camo on because he had been or was planning on being, in the woods.
But then again, I guess it is probably common to wear the camo in town etc. also, or would it be? Is wearing camo restricted to being in the woods, or is it worn everywhere?
You don't usually see camo at Sunday morning church (maybe Sunday evening church or Wednesday prayer meeting), weddings or funerals, but definitely everywhere else. Definitely.
Yep Plumeria, it's pretty much a guarantee when the public doesn't get any info.. I hope they know what they are doing. It's a double edge sword for me, the LE background on my part wants so badly for these people to be successfully prosecuted and the SAR part of me just wants them found, regardless. Sometimes LE can be so focused on the integrity of the case the MP almost takes second place. Lots of times it works, but then there are those times that you have to wonder if they had disclosed more, would the person have been found and would it not now be a cold case? Really tough when it becomes a cold case and there are no arrests, then u just wonder for what....
s_finch
04-26-2011, 10:47 PM
LOL! What? No camo tux?
Nope. But then most middle income people in the south don't own tuxes :) Guys only use a tux 4 times max in their life: junior prom, senior prom, when they're a groom and when they're best man, and 4 times is probably a stretch, lol.
Plumeria5
04-26-2011, 10:51 PM
Yep Plumeria, it's pretty much a guarantee when the public doesn't get any info.. I hope they know what they are doing. It's a double edge sword for me, the LE background on my part wants so badly for these people to be successfully prosecuted and the SAR part of me just wants them found, regardless. Sometimes LE can be so focused on the integrity of the case the MP almost takes second place. Lots of times it works, but then there are those times that you have to wonder if they had disclosed more, would the person have been found and would it not now be a cold case? Really tough when it becomes a cold case and there are no arrests, then u just wonder for what....
I agree. And, having come from a small community, I think if the facts were out there, you would see people rallying together because they know what or who to look for. Right now it's a needle in a haystack. And...we don't even know where the haystack is!
Emma Peel
04-26-2011, 10:51 PM
Yep Plumeria, it's pretty much a guarantee when the public doesn't get any info.. I hope they know what they are doing. It's a double edge sword for me, the LE background on my part wants so badly for these people to be successfully prosecuted and the SAR part of me just wants them found, regardless. Sometimes LE can be so focused on the integrity of the case the MP almost takes second place. Lots of times it works, but then there are those times that you have to wonder if they had disclosed more, would the person have been found and would it not now be a cold case? Really tough when it becomes a cold case and there are no arrests, then u just wonder for what....
perhaps in this case, they are sure the correct audience has been saturated, and they have the tips they need...for next their next steps.
Gofigure
04-26-2011, 10:56 PM
Nope. But then most middle income people in the south don't own tuxes :) Guys only use a tux 4 times max in their life: junior prom, senior prom, when they're a groom and when they're best man, and 4 times is probably a stretch, lol.
I live in the south (Kingston Springs, TN), I do not know of one person here that owns a tux. It is so true about the camo, everyone here wears it, everyday! Don't ya just love it? It would have been weird if the person responsible for this was wearing anything but out in the woods...He obviously blended right in. Sad, but true.
liltexans
04-26-2011, 10:58 PM
Graph showing interest in the case is falling off drastically.
http://boardreader.com/s/holly%20bobo.html
It looks like interest is really dropping off as of today.
I know in the last thread a few people mentioned that articles/opinions such as Pat Brown's (from NG) not only do not help this case, but can actually hurt it.
I agree and I think the "announcement" we talked about this morning in the Parking Lot was a total disservice to Holly and her family as well. People in the media should be more responsible.
It seems almost inhumane to me for a radio host to post rumors that could get a family and community's hopes up.
Okay, I'm off my soapbox now. LOL
Jo in Calif
04-26-2011, 11:02 PM
Graph showing interest in the case is falling off drastically.
http://boardreader.com/s/holly%20bobo.html
I bet if they made a graph of LE on this case it would be just the opposite.
I also think this case is anything but cold.
jadejazzkayla
04-26-2011, 11:03 PM
I took it to mean they know who did it even though it appears that they do not and that they have much more evidence than what has been released.
I totally agree. It was surely cryptic and sounded like a poorly veiled message to the kidnapper. maybe i'm watching too much tv.
Plumeria5
04-26-2011, 11:03 PM
It looks like interest is really dropping off as of today.
I know in the last thread a few people mentioned that articles/opinions such as Pat Brown's (from NG) not only do not help this case, but can actually hurt it.
I agree and I think the "announcement" we talked about this morning in the Parking Lot was a total disservice to Holly and her family as well. People in the media should be more responsible.
It seems almost inhumane to me for a radio host to post rumors that could get a family and community's hopes up.
Okay, I'm off my soapbox now. LOL
Before you step down, :) how do i get to the Parking Lot? I haven't read it before.
liltexans
04-26-2011, 11:05 PM
Before you step down, :) how do i get to the Parking Lot? I haven't read it before.
Here ya go:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Please note that thread is closed now and we cannot discuss it or its contents up here in the main thread.
Nehemiah
04-26-2011, 11:06 PM
I realize that hunting and camoflage clothing is a big part of life in TN (as I have read here), but, it amazes me at the number of males who continue to wear the same clothing as the perpetrator of Holly's abduction, while searching for her!
No disrespect meant, it's great that they are out searching, but, maybe if there is a male who would normally "always" wear camo, who was out searching for Holly without his usual camo on, then maybe it would provide a clue, kwim?
Look at the guys (and gals) wearing camo in this pic! It actually tells us alot about the deep rooted hunting nature of the community, really.
http://cmsimg.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DQ&Date=20110424&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=104240801&Ref=PH&Item=10&Maxw=620&Maxh=465&q=60
http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DQ&Dato=20110424&Kategori=PHOTOGALLERIES01&Lopenr=104240801&Ref=PH
Like I've said before, everyone wears camo! I have never thought anything about it until this case. I have on camo shorts myself tonight.
Nehemiah
04-26-2011, 11:08 PM
Well if I've learned one thing it is that camo isn't worn across the nation as it is here in the south, lol. My husband doesn't even hunt anymore and we have all kinds of camo pants, shirts, hats, gloves, netting, ...I don't think he has any camo duct tape now that I think about it. I'm sitting here with a pink John Deere camo blanket across my lap, lol. In the south, Camo is as common as blue jeans. And you know you're a Bubba if you bring your newborn baby boy home in camo---seriously, some people do!
baby girls, too!
AmandaReckonwith
04-26-2011, 11:09 PM
I think this pic ^ is "the find". In a couple others the officer comes and collects it, bags it, and gets the name of the finder.
Emma Peel
04-26-2011, 11:12 PM
I think this pic ^ is "the find". In a couple others the officer comes and collects it, bags it, and gets the name of the finder.
Hi Amanda!
Thank you so much for your photo records of our cases.
Did you link the "find" pix in this post?
AmandaReckonwith
04-26-2011, 11:17 PM
Just added!
TY for the TY, and I have to pass it around, I have helpers now.
evelyn24
04-26-2011, 11:22 PM
It looks like interest is really dropping off as of today.
I know in the last thread a few people mentioned that articles/opinions such as Pat Brown's (from NG) not only do not help this case, but can actually hurt it.
I agree and I think the "announcement" we talked about this morning in the Parking Lot was a total disservice to Holly and her family as well. People in the media should be more responsible.
It seems almost inhumane to me for a radio host to post rumors that could get a family and community's hopes up.
Okay, I'm off my soapbox now. LOL
People are allowed to have an opinion about the case even if it's not what some want to hear. Unless she's said things I don't know about, what I've read is nothing more than asking basic questions.
I seriously doubt Pat Brown has hurt this case or is causing interest to wane, and I'm not even a fan of hers or of NG.
jmo
Emma Peel
04-26-2011, 11:22 PM
Just added!
TY for the TY, and I have to pass it around, I have helpers now.
gosh I've been staring at those photos.
Whatever it is, it must be very small.
I feel like it's in a tissue, then dropped in the envelope.
Looks like the volunteer in the headband/hat/w/ blue shirt found it.
Plumeria5
04-26-2011, 11:22 PM
Here ya go:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134473)
Please note that thread is closed now and we cannot discuss it or its contents up here in the main thread.
:silenced: My lips are sealed! Thanks for the link!
Emma Peel
04-26-2011, 11:25 PM
:silenced: My lips are sealed! Thanks for the link!
careful Plum,
you can get lost in the basement for daze on end...:crazy:
Slynderella
04-26-2011, 11:25 PM
They could easily drag the ponds..but the river flows into the ocean and down stream. I would think someone who has disappeared without a trace and planned this whole thing out and wears camo..would think of the river would be where to look...... where water will destroy evidence along with the astro reading saying she is in/near water. I hate to say that and hope very much I am wrong... The trail leads straight up to the river..where the warm car was found too...river and maybe she was leaving things on the way or he was dumping them on the way.... he wouldn't want the phone with her.... Seems he got her over to 69 and then headed north....Also normally if duct tape is removed..it because there is no need any longer...sad thought....I can't believe he got that far with no one seeing anything suspiciose and seeming all in the middle of the day since he got her at 7-8 in the morning... I hope they find her soon...
Plumeria5
04-26-2011, 11:28 PM
careful Plum,
you can get lost in the basement for daze on end...:crazy:
Miss Plum in the basement with a candlestick!:crazy:
I guess it should be Professor Plum. :)
evelyn24
04-26-2011, 11:33 PM
I wanted to add that the "Holly found alive and is being kept by LE" rumors might actually cause disinterest to some degree. Rumors are rampant. :(
liltexans
04-26-2011, 11:34 PM
I wanted to add that the "Holly found alive and is being kept by LE" rumors might actually cause disinterest to some degree. Rumors are rampant. :(
That's what I was getting at in my post above.
T4Tide
04-26-2011, 11:39 PM
I realize that hunting and camoflage clothing is a big part of life in TN (as I have read here), but, it amazes me at the number of males who continue to wear the same clothing as the perpetrator of Holly's abduction, while searching for her!
No disrespect meant, it's great that they are out searching, but, maybe if there is a male who would normally "always" wear camo, who was out searching for Holly without his usual camo on, then maybe it would provide a clue, kwim?
Look at the guys (and gals) wearing camo in this pic! It actually tells us alot about the deep rooted hunting nature of the community, really.
http://cmsimg.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DQ&Date=20110424&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=104240801&Ref=PH&Item=10&Maxw=620&Maxh=465&q=60
http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DQ&Dato=20110424&Kategori=PHOTOGALLERIES01&Lopenr=104240801&Ref=PH
I can help you with this. Hunting gear is usually camo in color. Very rarely does it come in other colors/patterns. Hunting gear is also thick, repels briars and bushes, and is meant to be worn outside in rough conditions. My DH has really 4 types of clothing. 1. Dress clothes. Khakis, nice shirts, polos... church stuff. 2. Casual wear. Big Star jeans, nice tshirts, sports paraphenalia. 3. Work Clothes. 4. Hunting stuff. If he was to head out on a search, he would most likely pick his hunting stuff, too. Dress clothes and your casual wear would be way too thin/light to be out in the woods in, and you'd be really likely to tear holes in it, etc. Depending on the type of work people do, their work clothes might not be suitable for the outdoors, either. People in the south have an ambundance of hunting clothes. Heck, even my four year old little GIRL has a matching camo coverall just like her brothers. She needs it when it is cold. We don't have snow suits and stuff like that. We wrap our kids (and ourselves) up in hunting gear when it is frosty out.
The picture I see is very normal for the location. I really can't guess what other type of clothing they would wear?
(Except the shorts... that is dumb if you are in the woods!)
grandmaj
04-26-2011, 11:47 PM
Guys, lets not talk about any more rumors here please. No rumors. Saying there are rumors is talking about rumors. :) Thanks.
greengreen
04-26-2011, 11:54 PM
Right. If someone is missing I have not heard about it. FWIW
I misread this the first time. Abandoned structures are being searched as are the woods.
Plumeria5
04-27-2011, 12:16 AM
I misread this the first time. Abandoned structures are being searched as are the woods.
Well that's good! Maybe they do have a poi!
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 12:19 AM
Let me add that everyone is not dressed that way.
Sometime in the past couple of days I posted about "what if the abductor wore camo the day he took Holly, but that is not his normal attire"...
scandi
04-27-2011, 12:22 AM
Hi, I haven't read on Holly's case yet but know it is always good to read as many links as possible, even if they seem obscure.
I found this video while reading articles on healthy food and found it interesting. Sorry if it's already been posted:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/holly-bobo-search-brother-suspect-13407055
God Bless Holly wherever she is tonight and I hope above all she is found alive. xox
ETA: WHOOPS, grabbed the wrong link. Be right back
greengreen
04-27-2011, 12:23 AM
Sometime in the past couple of days I posted about "what if the abductor wore camo the day he took Holly, but that is not his normal attire"...
Then the suspect pool would have been so small they would already be in jail! JK anything is possible
notinmycommunity
04-27-2011, 12:28 AM
I am local and I would like to say that I am very proud of our community. The people have come together and gone on searches, brought food, given money for the searchers, given money for the family, it has been unbelievable. It is something you have to see to believe, television reporters can not do it justice. I have faith in our law enforcement, even though we all want to know more. I believe they have much more than they are telling us and I think they are close.
belimom
04-27-2011, 12:31 AM
Welcome to Websleuths, notinmycommunity!
:seeya:
And thanks for posting. It does seem like a wonderful community pulling together. I hope you are right - that they are close to finding Holly and the perp(s)...
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 12:33 AM
I am local and I would like to say that I am very proud of our community. The people have come together and gone on searches, brought food, given money for the searchers, given money for the family, it has been unbelievable. It is something you have to see to believe, television reporters can not do it justice. I have faith in our law enforcement, even though we all want to know more. I believe they have much more than they are telling us and I think they are close.
Not,
welcome to WS!!
:fireworks2::greetings::welcome:
Also, you may want to contact a mod and become a verified local...thanks for joining us!1
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MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-27-2011, 12:36 AM
I am local and I would like to say that I am very proud of our community. The people have come together and gone on searches, brought food, given money for the searchers, given money for the family, it has been unbelievable. It is something you have to see to believe, television reporters can not do it justice. I have faith in our law enforcement, even though we all want to know more. I believe they have much more than they are telling us and I think they are close.
Welcome! I am overwhelmed with the outpouring of love and support your whole community is giving. We need more communities like this. Praying Holly will be found. I like you believe that they are getting close.
Plumeria5
04-27-2011, 12:40 AM
Hi, I haven't read on Holly's case yet but know it is always good to read as many links as possible, even if they seem obscure.
I found this video while reading articles on healthy food and found it interesting. Sorry if it's already been posted:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/holly-bobo-search-brother-suspect-13407055
God Bless Holly wherever she is tonight and I hope above all she is found alive. xox
ETA: WHOOPS, grabbed the wrong link. Be right back
Ok, can someone clear this up? In this video they keep talking about Clint and showing pictures of Holly with a guy. I thought this was her boyfriend? Is this her brother?
goldiegirl
04-27-2011, 12:43 AM
I'm not so sure anyone is losing interest in finding Holly. If anything, maybe they just feel helpless, like there's not much else they can do at this point. I think even more than that, though, it's just a case of people needing to get back to their daily lives, but I don't think interest in Holly's case will dwindle for quite some time.
Having said that, I can understand how the same people going out day after day will get burned out, physically and emotionally. It's just natural, no matter how much they care. What's unfortunate is that there's really no way to rotate and bring in an entirely different community to take over, KWIM? What I'm saying is that I know there are many of us throughout the country who would love to do our share, but logistically and practically we can't, so the burden is all falling on the same people in this community.
I live in TX right now and am a housewife with a pretty open schedule, and I would LOVE to be there if I could. Pretty much the only thing stopping me is the cost of a plane ticket and the fact that if I drove she might be found by the time I got there.
I am so grateful for all of these searchers who have gone out day after day. I don't want any of them to feel guilty about not being able to continue forever. At the same time, I don't want to see the number of searchers dwindle either. I know the rest of us would like to pitch in if we could, but that's easier said than done : (
greengreen
04-27-2011, 12:44 AM
Ok, can someone clear this up? In this video they keep talking about Clint and showing pictures of Holly with a guy. I thought this was her boyfriend? Is this her brother?
it's her boyfriend. i wondered why they did that when it first aired.
Plumeria5
04-27-2011, 12:47 AM
it's her boyfriend. i wondered why they did that when it first aired.
Ok, so no pictures of her boyfriend? Also, are there any videos of Holly actually talking?
BellaCouture
04-27-2011, 12:49 AM
I'm not so sure anyone is losing interest in finding Holly. If anything, maybe they just feel helpless, like there's not much else they can do at this point. I think even more than that, though, it's just a case of people needing to get back to their daily lives, but I don't think interest in Holly's case will dwindle for quite some time.
Having said that, I can understand how the same people going out day after day will get burned out, physically and emotionally. It's just natural, no matter how much they care. What's unfortunate is that there's really no way to rotate and bring in an entirely different community to take over, KWIM? What I'm saying is that I know there are many of us throughout the country who would love to do our share, but logistically and practically we can't, so the burden is all falling on the same people in this community.
I live in TX right now and am a housewife with a pretty open schedule, and I would LOVE to be there if I could. Pretty much the only thing stopping me is the cost of a plane ticket and the fact that if I drove she might be found by the time I got there.
I am so grateful for all of these searchers who have gone out day after day. I don't want any of them to feel guilty about not being able to continue forever. At the same time, I don't want to see the number of searchers dwindle either. I know the rest of us would like to pitch in if we could, but that's easier said than done : (
I am orginally from a big city, but I have also lived a few years in a small community similar to Holly's. The difference is like night and day. I love the way that small town communities are so friendly and truly look out for one another.:)
I would also like to go and help out anyway I could, but I am so far away. I have never been to Tennesse....but the pictures I have seen it looks beautiful there!
greengreen
04-27-2011, 12:51 AM
Ok, so no pictures of her boyfriend? Also, are there any videos of Holly actually talking?
There are no pics of the brother. All pics are of boyfriend.
goldiegirl
04-27-2011, 12:55 AM
Ok, so no pictures of her boyfriend? Also, are there any videos of Holly actually talking?
You mean no pictures of the brother (at least not in this video). This is DS, the boyfriend, not CB, the brother.
goldiegirl
04-27-2011, 12:58 AM
I haven't found a single picture of CB, but I'm kind of glad for his sake. I'll admit my curiosity got the better of me, and I did try to look, but there's no reason anyone needs to know what he looks like right now. I feel bad for him that this is all going on.
notinmycommunity
04-27-2011, 12:59 AM
I'm not so sure anyone is losing interest in finding Holly. If anything, maybe they just feel helpless, like there's not much else they can do at this point. I think even more than that, though, it's just a case of people needing to get back to their daily lives, but I don't think interest in Holly's case will dwindle for quite some time.
Having said that, I can understand how the same people going out day after day will get burned out, physically and emotionally. It's just natural, no matter how much they care. What's unfortunate is that there's really no way to rotate and bring in an entirely different community to take over, KWIM? What I'm saying is that I know there are many of us throughout the country who would love to do our share, but logistically and practically we can't, so the burden is all falling on the same people in this community.
I live in TX right now and am a housewife with a pretty open schedule, and I would LOVE to be there if I could. Pretty much the only thing stopping me is the cost of a plane ticket and the fact that if I drove she might be found by the time I got there.
I am so grateful for all of these searchers who have gone out day after day. I don't want any of them to feel guilty about not being able to continue forever. At the same time, I don't want to see the number of searchers dwindle either. I know the rest of us would like to pitch in if we could, but that's easier said than done : (
The searchers do get frustrated, but everyone wants to find Holly. I think just knowing people like you guys and the general public are supportive helps out tremendously. I believe there has been a lot found by the searchers, and most of the people watching and following don't know about it, the searchers included. Again there are a lot of rumors floating around so nobody knows what to believe. I have heard searchers say things like "I really want to get home to my family...........but so does Holly, let's look for another couple hours or until they tell us to leave."
dotnetnow
04-27-2011, 01:14 AM
I've been reading everything about this case since it came out. News, Video, Postings, Tweets, FB...
Through it all I try to stay committed in my mind to what is actual fact. I haven't posted or speculated any "theories" or perpetrated any rumors. In my mind I have bantered her survival and recently am very hopeful she is alive (although I know this is not usual).
I find the google map that was posted very helpful, and it seems to have been made by a person who posts in this forum. I'm wondering about the "warm vehicle findings" posted on this map. It seems I read both in published news and in groups that this was a "false find". Can anyone confirm or deny that?
Also I have gravitated toward this forum because I can see a dedicated group of people close to the issue who are trying to act in a conscientious manner toward fact and ethics regarding the information they are "privvy" to. I'm wondering if those individuals would be able to state whether the "evidence" finds on the google map are accurrate?
I dont know what to think of this case, but I have been following the roads (on the map of course Im about 2500 miles away) and tried to figure out how this/these perpetrators proceeded depending on different behavioral types/scenarios. So anyway Im trying to decide whether to factor in that "warm vehicle" location or disregard it.
I'll just end by saying "God bless you all" and I'm going to stop and say a prayer for Holly the second I hit the "send" button here.
grandmaj
04-27-2011, 01:27 AM
I've been reading everything about this case since it came out. News, Video, Postings, Tweets, FB...
Through it all I try to stay committed in my mind to what is actual fact. I haven't posted or speculated any "theories" or perpetrated any rumors. In my mind I have bantered her survival and recently am very hopeful she is alive (although I know this is not usual).
I find the google map that was posted very helpful, and it seems to have been made by a person who posts in this forum. I'm wondering about the "warm vehicle findings" posted on this map. It seems I read both in published news and in groups that this was a "false find". Can anyone confirm or deny that?
Also I have gravitated toward this forum because I can see a dedicated group of people close to the issue who are trying to act in a conscientious manner toward fact and ethics regarding the information they are "privvy" to. I'm wondering if those individuals would be able to state whether the "evidence" finds on the google map are accurrate?
I dont know what to think of this case, but I have been following the roads and tried to figure out how this/these perpetrators proceeded depending on different behavioral types/scenarios. So anyway Im trying to decide whether to factor in that "warm vehicle" location or disregard it.
I'll just end by saying "God bless you all" and I'm going to stop and say a prayer for Holly the second I hit the "send" button here.
:welcome::welcome: Dot.
I believe you are correct the vehicle was determined to be that of a hunter. The map just needs an update. :)
I hope you enjoy being a member of WS the bestest posters on the net.
Kimster
04-27-2011, 01:30 AM
I've been reading everything about this case since it came out. News, Video, Postings, Tweets, FB...
Through it all I try to stay committed in my mind to what is actual fact. I haven't posted or speculated any "theories" or perpetrated any rumors. In my mind I have bantered her survival and recently am very hopeful she is alive (although I know this is not usual).
I find the google map that was posted very helpful, and it seems to have been made by a person who posts in this forum. I'm wondering about the "warm vehicle findings" posted on this map. It seems I read both in published news and in groups that this was a "false find". Can anyone confirm or deny that?
Also I have gravitated toward this forum because I can see a dedicated group of people close to the issue who are trying to act in a conscientious manner toward fact and ethics regarding the information they are "privvy" to. I'm wondering if those individuals would be able to state whether the "evidence" finds on the google map are accurrate?
I dont know what to think of this case, but I have been following the roads and tried to figure out how this/these perpetrators proceeded depending on different behavioral types/scenarios. So anyway Im trying to decide whether to factor in that "warm vehicle" location or disregard it.
I'll just end by saying "God bless you all" and I'm going to stop and say a prayer for Holly the second I hit the "send" button here.
:wagon: Thank you for joining us!
Kimster
04-27-2011, 01:30 AM
The searchers do get frustrated, but everyone wants to find Holly. I think just knowing people like you guys and the general public are supportive helps out tremendously. I believe there has been a lot found by the searchers, and most of the people watching and following don't know about it, the searchers included. Again there are a lot of rumors floating around so nobody knows what to believe. I have heard searchers say things like "I really want to get home to my family...........but so does Holly, let's look for another couple hours or until they tell us to leave."
Glad to have you on board also!
:wagon:
I still wonder how many of those dirt roads off 5 Forks Road they've really fully explored, looking for a kind of a cave in the middle of the road....a 'cave' with rocks around it?
dotnetnow
04-27-2011, 02:09 AM
I read somewhere that there are actually hundreds of police there working out leads and searching, etc... is that true? Does anyone have an idea how many LE are involved (even an estimate)? If this were true I think it would help people who are concerned about the competence of the case handling to understand just how much is being done.
I realize that hunting and camoflage clothing is a big part of life in TN (as I have read here), but, it amazes me at the number of males who continue to wear the same clothing as the perpetrator of Holly's abduction, while searching for her!
No disrespect meant, it's great that they are out searching, but, maybe if there is a male who would normally "always" wear camo, who was out searching for Holly without his usual camo on, then maybe it would provide a clue, kwim?
Look at the guys (and gals) wearing camo in this pic! It actually tells us alot about the deep rooted hunting nature of the community, really.
I'm in the south and used to work outside. We always wore camos due to the heat, humidity and prickly plants. Light pants get torn to pieces and jeans are too heavy and stick to your skin in the humidity, making it hard to get around. Camos are heavy enough to resist the brambles and light and baggy enough to allow easy movement in this environment. So, it was more of a comfort thing than anything else.
I've never been hunting in all my life.
TxLady2
04-27-2011, 07:04 AM
Well if I've learned one thing it is that camo isn't worn across the nation as it is here in the south, lol. My husband doesn't even hunt anymore and we have all kinds of camo pants, shirts, hats, gloves, netting, ...I don't think he has any camo duct tape now that I think about it. I'm sitting here with a pink John Deere camo blanket across my lap, lol. In the south, Camo is as common as blue jeans. And you know you're a Bubba if you bring your newborn baby boy home in camo---seriously, some people do!
LOL! They make camo for newborns now?
My hubby doesn't own one item of camo... but he's an imported Texan. You are right, camo is very popular here in east Texas. Every other guy I see at Wal Mart has on camo pants.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 07:38 AM
LOL! What? No camo tux?
I remember a year or so back a girl and her mom made her prom dress out of duct tape! LOL It was on the HLN..
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 07:45 AM
What do all of you think about the "Things are NOT as they appear?"
That has me thinking. Something is way off no APB on anyone or anything.
No suspects, No body (which is good).And most important NO INFO LOL
Im lost!
Oh and seeing all those ppl on hands and knees i think they should have given them all gloves to wear. you dont know what in that stuff on the side of the road!
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 07:46 AM
It seems to me Hollys thread has lost alot of its followers!
nursebeeme
04-27-2011, 07:49 AM
Law enforcement spent Tuesday following leads in the search for Holly Lynn Bobo.
Due to the threat of severe weather, authorities suspended the search by volunteers Tuesday and will remain the only ones searching for Bobo at least through today.
The focus of the search continues to be on the northern end of Decatur County where volunteers recovered an item on Sunday.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110427/NEWS25/104270305
nursebeeme
04-27-2011, 07:56 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
hope the weather gets better soon! Just reading Will's tweets from last night and decatur county (parsons) had a lot of tornado activity last night..
stay safe peeps!
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 07:59 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
hope the weather gets better soon! Just reading Will's tweets from last night and decatur county (parsons) had a lot of tornado activity last night..
stay safe peeps!
I was watching on the weather channell here in florida we have hurricanes but heck ya have days to out run it Not a tornado... Id dig a cellar in my yard LOL
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-27-2011, 08:03 AM
I was watching on the weather channell here in florida we have hurricanes but heck ya have days to out run it Not a tornado... Id dig a cellar in my yard LOL
It's been pretty scary the last few days with the weather.
concentric
04-27-2011, 08:10 AM
I still wonder how many of those dirt roads off 5 Forks Road they've really fully explored, looking for a kind of a cave in the middle of the road....a 'cave' with rocks around it?
An abandoned mine? Seems a road would lead up to a mine, rather than a cave.
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 08:23 AM
I remember a year or so back a girl and her mom made her prom dress out of duct tape! LOL It was on the HLN..
You know they make camouflag duct tape too. Best of both worlds!
southernillinoisman
04-27-2011, 08:24 AM
Though there hasn't been an "APB" ... an Amber Alert is basically the same thing by a new name. I don't see the lack of an "APB" as something we should take note of.
I do think their continued focus on this one area of the county is interesting. If she is alive (and I hope with all my heart that she is) and in this area then that should be found in short order because this isn't a massive geographical area we're talking about.
I wonder almost constantly why they are so convinced she's still in the county. It seems the perps first move would be to get the heck out of dodge.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 08:25 AM
So what do you think will happend today!
things are not as they appear ! what the heck does tha tmean?
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 08:26 AM
Though there hasn't been an "APB" ... an Amber Alert is basically the same thing by a new name. I don't see the lack of an "APB" as something we should take note of.
I do think their continued focus on this one area of the county is interesting. If she is alive (and I hope with all my heart that she is) and in this area then that should be found in short order because this isn't a massive geographical area we're talking about.
I wonder almost constantly why they are so convinced she's still in the county. It seems the perps first move would be to get the heck out of dodge.
There was NO amber alert.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 08:26 AM
LOL believe me this room gave me my lesson on this amber alert lol
there was a radio alert but thats all.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 08:30 AM
Though there hasn't been an "APB" ... an Amber Alert is basically the same thing by a new name. I don't see the lack of an "APB" as something we should take note of.
I do think their continued focus on this one area of the county is interesting. If she is alive (and I hope with all my heart that she is) and in this area then that should be found in short order because this isn't a massive geographical area we're talking about.
I wonder almost constantly why they are so convinced she's still in the county. It seems the perps first move would be to get the heck out of dodge.
Yes i dont understand that either. I mean come on if its a local guy then they know who he is,,, then why not release his pic and auto info?
I would think he would be long gone.
Unless he took her he hid her he is out of the state but maybe has left clues for them to find her... Maybe Easter when the Bobo's left their home to thanks the searchers they were actually dropping off a randsom... after their little outing
the sheet hit the fan.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 08:37 AM
Wow wait a second,,,,
What about this!!!!!
What if its someoen she went out with ok hes upset, wants to talk to her. he leads her into the wood ok takes her to a place they can talk. He does not care if she misses school... He has NO idea the police were called. all of a sudden its on the news the radio, Cops all over looking for her. NOw he is a kidnapper hes afraid......hes afriad to turn himself in. Maybe he hasnt a great record and dosent want to go to jail for kidnapping.
he hides her and maybe gives himself long enuff to get out of state and says he will call when he is gone and tell LE where they can find her?
JustyThoughts
04-27-2011, 08:45 AM
Good morning folks. I'm thinking that folks dealing with the storms and aftermath coupled with few significant official updates is reason posters seems to have dropped-off. I believe every possible scenario has been offered, discussed/debated, and rehashed over the past days - maybe folks are kinda getting burned-out over the seeming lack of movement. I do think LE has more info (than we know) and are working a strategy. Many WS posters have devoted long hours to discussions and posting (esp. folks in Scan Thread -THANKS).
Lets hope & pray that.... today will be the day.
southernillinoisman
04-27-2011, 08:55 AM
Can I get a link to the scanner thread for this case, please.
I can't find it again. :-| Again. I'm easily lost. :-)
Also, on the Amber Alert, why do all of the news stories from the day of and day after her abduction say so
Ethnic to the effect of "Amber Alert Issued for Country Singers Cousin, Abducted from Home"?
CuriousHousewife
04-27-2011, 08:56 AM
Well if I've learned one thing it is that camo isn't worn across the nation as it is here in the south, lol. My husband doesn't even hunt anymore and we have all kinds of camo pants, shirts, hats, gloves, netting, ...I don't think he has any camo duct tape now that I think about it. I'm sitting here with a pink John Deere camo blanket across my lap, lol. In the south, Camo is as common as blue jeans. And you know you're a Bubba if you bring your newborn baby boy home in camo---seriously, some people do!
Truer words were never spoken! When we moved to NC, I quickly learned that camo seemed to be standard issue and not just while one is hunting. There's always a camo option when you're buying your little boys clothes. Sometimes it's not just pants, but the whoooole outfit, head to toe camo, and that's just a trip to the store. Not everyone dresses that way, no. We don't own any camo, but it's more of a cultural thing than anything. Not at all unusual and to be expected at any time.
JustyThoughts
04-27-2011, 08:56 AM
One additional THANKS I want to post is a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to the mods; your management of the site is appreciated and makes WS the place to go for up-to-date information and facts. Your gentle correction (and firm too when needed) makes this a quality site.
We are hearing the weather alert radios sounding now in GA -storms are marching our way.
JustyThoughts
04-27-2011, 08:59 AM
Here ya go Southern
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134426&page=18
greengreen
04-27-2011, 09:00 AM
Can I get a link to the scanner thread for this case, please.
I can't find it again. :-| Again. I'm easily lost. :-)
Also, on the Amber Alert, why do all of the news stories from the day of and day after her abduction say so
Ethnic to the effect of "Amber Alert Issued for Country Singers Cousin, Abducted from Home"?
I think it all started when the local newspapers called it an Amber Alert although she is over 17 so she did not qualify. Maybe they thought it would grab more attention that way?
Shollenberger
04-27-2011, 09:01 AM
I'm beginning to think LE has no idea where she is, has no specific suspects, and simply keeps blurting out more and more generalizations each day.
Sad!
greengreen
04-27-2011, 09:02 AM
Wow wait a second,,,,
What about this!!!!!
What if its someoen she went out with ok hes upset, wants to talk to her. he leads her into the wood ok takes her to a place they can talk. He does not care if she misses school... He has NO idea the police were called. all of a sudden its on the news the radio, Cops all over looking for her. NOw he is a kidnapper hes afraid......hes afriad to turn himself in. Maybe he hasnt a great record and dosent want to go to jail for kidnapping.
he hides her and maybe gives himself long enuff to get out of state and says he will call when he is gone and tell LE where they can find her?
That sounds plausible but who has her? If someone is missing, no one here is talking about him.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 09:03 AM
Can I get a link to the scanner thread for this case, please.
I can't find it again. :-| Again. I'm easily lost. :-)
Also, on the Amber Alert, why do all of the news stories from the day of and day after her abduction say so
Ethnic to the effect of "Amber Alert Issued for Country Singers Cousin, Abducted from Home"?
I dont know i said the same thing but a radio alert was put out she does not meet the requirements for an amber alert she is over 17.
marlap
04-27-2011, 09:05 AM
Please let Holly be found today.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 09:05 AM
That sounds plausible but who has her? If someone is missing, no one here is talking about him.
Green green i think its someone she maybe was with for a while he maybe wants to go back with her. honestly this is what i think they mean by the statement about its not as it appears!
I think this guy is scared! But i also think she is ok.
Maybe he is talking to LE about him comming in. He will give himself up.
Just a thought but heck thats the best outcome for this entire case
southernillinoisman
04-27-2011, 09:05 AM
I dont know i said the same thing but a radio alert was put out she does not meet the requirements for an amber alert she is over 17.
Ok. That makes sense. Glad I wasn't the only one confused. :-)
Also, thanks for the scanner link!
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 09:08 AM
I think it all started when the local newspapers called it an Amber Alert although she is over 17 so she did not qualify. Maybe they thought it would grab more attention that way?
Maybe so there has been just so much CHAOS in this case lol.
Nehemiah
04-27-2011, 09:09 AM
It's been pretty scary the last few days with the weather.
Are you ok from last night's weather? We definitely got hammered. I haven't heard of any fatalities, thankfully.
ensht
04-27-2011, 09:16 AM
I'm sure the national media just moved on to the krista case where they can interview her mother and get some actual information. The Today show had the krista case front and center. People and the national media moved on.
It pains me to say this but I'm frustrated and losing interest too. I feel like LE either has no clue at all or they know much more. If they were afraid this wasn't random they would hopefully be telling locals to lock their doors. They have done nothing like that at all. That tells me they seem to have an idea but by not coming public or at least letting it slip they were watching someone....the public may notice something.
I'd be hesitant to call on my neighbors absent any clue even if I felt something was odd. If the police say xyz is a person of interest and now I Remember something I would call. They lost that opportunity.
I really hope they pulled every surveillance video in the entire surrounding area in the first 24 hours but did they?
For me the silly news articles yesterday turned me off. More doublespeak, useless information and deliberately vague or worse the inability of the spokesperson to define a clear message just lost me. The spokesperson yesterday not being able to, or deliberately using vague words.....ive had it.
I hope and pray this all ends with her coming home. But like many of the criminal profilers have been leading too there's just so many inconsistencies and a total lack of information that I don't believe we are close to a resolution.
Valiant
04-27-2011, 09:16 AM
I’ve tried to catch up and read everything before posting my thoughts so soem deal with older topics. Some thoughts are influenced by my childhood, having grown up in a very rural area:
The camouflage clothing may be the only clothing these people have that is rugged enough to withstand the type of terrain/vegetation in the search area. It may be the only heavy clothing they have, most of it looks bulky and not “street” camo.
Sometimes the way sound travels can fool you. Depending on the temperature, wind, etc sometimes you could hear the people some distance away talking like they were very close. Other times you could not hear them if they yelled. Same with car doors, engines starting, etc.
I think it’s possible the 911 calls will never be released. I think I recall hearing when I first read about this that was LE’s intention. I think there are two reasons. First is the classification as a “home invasion”. That probably came from the idea the perp was in the garage/carport area. Then the use of the word “dragged”. I think this word is used more in the country as taking someone somewhere they may not prefer to go rather than physically dragging someone. For example, my Mom dragged me to the store with her. Heck, I think it’s possible Holly may have even said before that her BF dragged her somewhere to see his latest kill.
The brother probably thought nothing odd of the BF being there early to hunt because that is the way it is done. Even though it turned out not to be the BF.
As for the scattered evidence that may indicate someone travelling in circles? It would not be the first time a grand plan fell apart because the perp sort of “high” on the commission of his crime missed a turn on the very escape route he’d planned out so well. Planning it out under clam circumstances and then following through with the adrenaline pumping sure could mess with a person’s sense of direction and timing.
I bounce back and forth between the idea that the perp was really smart (planting evidence) or just really lucky (and scattered evidence with no thought). I tend to think “more lucky”. He somehow got away with her despite the brother being there. No one else saw anything. Then he just sheds evidence as he has a chance.
I don’t buy the idea of a “ruse” to get her into the woods. A hurt person or even an animal would not result in what appears to be a calm walk into the woods. As a student of nursing, I’d think Holly would understand time is of the essence and the reaction would be to run into the woods while dialing 911 on the cell phone. That leaves the blood. I’ve wondered if it’s possible Holly’s car door was opened and she was in the process of entering it when approached and the door caused an injury that resulted in his or her blood. They haven’t said “where” all the blood in the carport/garage was.
I hope she’s alive and home soon.
WideOpen
04-27-2011, 09:23 AM
So what do you think will happend today!
things are not as they appear ! what the heck does tha tmean?
I think today will be quiet. Seems LE is working behind the scenes and are "narrowing in" on their poi. Along with the weather hampering searchers being out.
"Things are not as they appear" That seems to be the mantra out of that community from early on in this case.
What it appeared to be to me in the beginning is a pretty girl is kidnapped from her home by a man wanting to cause her harm. Appeared to be violent from the blood in driveway to screams heard & reported by neighbor.
What I hear the community saying is that they know who it is. They believe she is alive and expect this to be over swiftly. BUT WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR??
Are they waiting for Holly to wake up from a coma?
Are they waiting for Perp to turn himself in?
Are they waiting for something specific to happen which enables LE to pinpoint their location.
I cant put two and two together here and find it curious that they are waiting for something. Along with "it is not as it seems".
I just pray and hope that Holly is safe and brought home today!
JMO
greengreen
04-27-2011, 09:24 AM
I'm sure the national media just moved on to the krista case where they can interview her mother and get some actual information. The Today show had the krista case front and center. People and the national media moved on.
It pains me to say this but I'm frustrated and losing interest too. I feel like LE either has no clue at all or they know much more. If they were afraid this wasn't random they would hopefully be telling locals to lock their doors. They have done nothing like that at all. That tells me they seem to have an idea but by not coming public or at least letting it slip they were watching someone....the public may notice something.
I'd be hesitant to call on my neighbors absent any clue even if I felt something was odd. If the police say xyz is a person of interest and now I Remember something I would call. They lost that opportunity.
I really hope they pulled every surveillance video in the entire surrounding area in the first 24 hours but did they?
For me the silly news articles yesterday turned me off. More doublespeak, useless information and deliberately vague or worse the inability of the spokesperson to define a clear message just lost me. The spokesperson yesterday not being able to, or deliberately using vague words.....ive had it.
I hope and pray this all ends with her coming home. But like many of the criminal profilers have been leading too there's just so many inconsistencies and a total lack of information that I don't believe we are close to a resolution.
Thankfully we have competent individuals running the case instead of all the people that have lack of interest. I'm sure they know who it is or otherwise we would have been told more. To me, yesterday was reassuring. He said everything is not as it seems. That made me confident LE knows what they are doing. And FWIW I doubt there was much surveillance video to pull other than the banks in town and maybe a local business or two. But if it someone missing that has her, they are either not from here or somehow it has been kept totally silent that he is missing.
greengreen
04-27-2011, 09:28 AM
I’ve tried to catch up and read everything before posting my thoughts so soem deal with older topics. Some thoughts are influenced by my childhood, having grown up in a very rural area:
The camouflage clothing may be the only clothing these people have that is rugged enough to withstand the type of terrain/vegetation in the search area. It may be the only heavy clothing they have, most of it looks bulky and not “street” camo.
Sometimes the way sound travels can fool you. Depending on the temperature, wind, etc sometimes you could hear the people some distance away talking like they were very close. Other times you could not hear them if they yelled. Same with car doors, engines starting, etc.
I think it’s possible the 911 calls will never be released. I think I recall hearing when I first read about this that was LE’s intention. I think there are two reasons. First is the classification as a “home invasion”. That probably came from the idea the perp was in the garage/carport area. Then the use of the word “dragged”. I think this word is used more in the country as taking someone somewhere they may not prefer to go rather than physically dragging someone. For example, my Mom dragged me to the store with her. Heck, I think it’s possible Holly may have even said before that her BF dragged her somewhere to see his latest kill.
The brother probably thought nothing odd of the BF being there early to hunt because that is the way it is done. Even though it turned out not to be the BF.
As for the scattered evidence that may indicate someone travelling in circles? It would not be the first time a grand plan fell apart because the perp sort of “high” on the commission of his crime missed a turn on the very escape route he’d planned out so well. Planning it out under clam circumstances and then following through with the adrenaline pumping sure could mess with a person’s sense of direction and timing.
I bounce back and forth between the idea that the perp was really smart (planting evidence) or just really lucky (and scattered evidence with no thought). I tend to think “more lucky”. He somehow got away with her despite the brother being there. No one else saw anything. Then he just sheds evidence as he has a chance.
I don’t buy the idea of a “ruse” to get her into the woods. A hurt person or even an animal would not result in what appears to be a calm walk into the woods. As a student of nursing, I’d think Holly would understand time is of the essence and the reaction would be to run into the woods while dialing 911 on the cell phone. That leaves the blood. I’ve wondered if it’s possible Holly’s car door was opened and she was in the process of entering it when approached and the door caused an injury that resulted in his or her blood. They haven’t said “where” all the blood in the carport/garage was.
I hope she’s alive and home soon.
I'm in agreement on all of this. Another thought I had on the 911 calls is possibly the brother said a name of who it might have been since at this point he realized it was not her boyfriend? Just a thought.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 09:28 AM
Thankfully we have competent individuals running the case instead of all the people that have lack of interest. I'm sure they know who it is or otherwise we would have been told more. To me, yesterday was reassuring. He said everything is not as it seems. That made me confident LE knows what they are doing. And FWIW I doubt there was much surveillance video to pull other than the banks in town and maybe a local business or two. But if it someone missing that has her, they are either not from here or somehow it has been kept totally silent that he is missing.
Hey Green,
the guy might live alone have an apt. Be unemployed like so many ppl in the US of A. He could be a college student living alone and his classes are over.
There are so many ways a person would not be noticed as missing.
He knows her and she knows him id bet my last dollar!
This is all JMOO
greengreen
04-27-2011, 09:32 AM
Hey Green,
the guy might live alone have an apt. Be unemployed like so many ppl in the US of A. He could be a college student living alone and his classes are over.
There are so many ways a person would not be noticed as missing.
He knows her and she knows him id bet my last dollar!
This is all JMOO
I think they know each other too! I just am wondering about it being someone she dated because they were all accounted for. But people keep saying someone is missing. What if he's not? What if he goes to her at night? She could be tied up at his house. If it is someone that is not "missing" then I have to think they did NOT know each other. But I think they did know each other.
Nehemiah
04-27-2011, 09:43 AM
Another thought I had on the 911 calls is possibly the brother said a name of who it might have been since at this point he realized it was not her boyfriend? Just a thought.
I am inclined to believe this as well. He possibly gave info that is a part of the perp's true identity.
It kills me that all the talking heads think that they have a right to know everything about a case so they can spin it via the media. Yes, we would all like to know but real people's lives and futures are depending upon LE's work...not talking heads. JMO
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 09:49 AM
whats so difficult with a search is this guy could just keep moving her around back to places already searched. I dont think she is outside. I think she is in a home or a barn. Like someone said yesterday maybe a house for sale!
CuriousHousewife
04-27-2011, 09:53 AM
I think she is in a home or a barn. Like someone said yesterday maybe a house for sale!
When the real estate listings were posted yesterday, I started wondering the same thing. I am sure LE has thought of this, but there seem to be a lot of homes (and lots) for sale in that area. Could there be an out-building on a vacant lot for sale that she could be held in? An empty home?
...or maybe not even in that immediate area. The house next door to us was empty for four years and I am not sure I would have noticed if someone was being held in there quietly. And with my kitchen door open, you can hear people talking when they're in their yard, but certainly not in their home.
ensht
04-27-2011, 09:55 AM
Greengreen what the locals think in terms of who did it doesn't mean much if they have no evidence or proof and sometimes it can actually lead to assumptions and a bad investigation. Sometimes lightning does strike twice in terms of bad things happening to good people. If this isn't a local known to the family?
Simple statements like "sometimes things are not what they appear"
How about sometimes investigations are not what they appear, how about sometimes abductions are not what they appear?
The same lack of specific and definitive statements makes this look haphazard.
Fast forward to new Hampshire where all current and past boyfriends have already been discussed by LE.
From the moment the brothers account of events was released it's been one mis-statement or non clear word after another. I certainly hope the case is being handled better than the public statements/release of information.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 09:59 AM
I think they know each other too! I just am wondering about it being someone she dated because they were all accounted for. But people keep saying someone is missing. What if he's not? What if he goes to her at night? She could be tied up at his house. If it is someone that is not "missing" then I have to think they did NOT know each other. But I think they did know each other.
Exactly,
People around her didnt know they really knew each other... Maybe?
I never told my mom everything.
I went to catholic school goody goody girl but man oh man i fell for this biker dude and NO one liked him but i never told anyone... He wasnt a bad guy just the leather jacket and hair scared everyone lol This could be what happend here.
curiousc
04-27-2011, 09:59 AM
Greengreen, if you don't want to answer this question I would understand.
Has any of this evidence been found in places after they had already been searched?
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 10:02 AM
Greengreen what the locals think in terms of who did it doesn't mean much if they have no evidence or proof and sometimes it can actually lead to assumptions and a bad investigation. Sometimes lightning does strike twice in terms of bad things happening to good people. If this isn't a local known to the family?
Simple statements like "sometimes things are not what they appear"
How about sometimes investigations are not what they appear, how about sometimes abductions are not what they appear?
The same lack of specific and definitive statements makes this look haphazard.
Fast forward to new Hampshire where all current and past boyfriends have already been discussed by LE.
From the moment the brothers account of events was released it's been one mis-statement or non clear word after another. I certainly hope the case is being handled better than the public statements/release of information.
I have to agree with ya here ensht. that Nh case they have outed everyone.
and they have not compromised the case they have kept all their evidence under wraps but heck ya know whats going on.
Not here NO NO NO. its guess your best!
and i think it all went south after that 911 call.
jessicat
04-27-2011, 10:04 AM
gosh I've been staring at those photos.
Whatever it is, it must be very small.
I feel like it's in a tissue, then dropped in the envelope.
Looks like the volunteer in the headband/hat/w/ blue shirt found it.
I don't think it's a tissue. The officer is holding whatever it is with what looks like a rubber glove to me.
liltexans
04-27-2011, 10:05 AM
Holly disappeared 2 weeks ago today. To her family, I imagine it feels like 2 years. The pain must be unbearable for them. I hope today is the day that she is found.
1. Do a lot of the homes have a basement in that area?
2. Do people who go out of the area have people 'house sit' to take care of their animals etc while they're gone. Just curious, as that would explain an extraneous person in the area who doesn't work, etc.
I agree it would be really helpful to the Bobo's to know what they have to face in regards to Holly. I'm still praying she's safe and alive, which contradicts what my 'imagination' tells me.
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-27-2011, 10:14 AM
Are you ok from last night's weather? We definitely got hammered. I haven't heard of any fatalities, thankfully.
I'm still here....but those were some nasty storms last night.....looking pretty dark out there right now too....my youngest son is at Ole Miss and they're getting hit hard right now.
jessicat
04-27-2011, 10:17 AM
I'm still here....but those were some nasty storms last night.....looking pretty dark out there right now too....my youngest son is at Ole Miss and they're getting hit hard right now.
Please stay safe everyone! How weird all of this weather going on. Here in TX we are experiencing the worst drought we have ever seen especially here in South TX. You guys are getting it rough. Stay safe and may Holly be found today.
Mick, I've been doing some research on old mines, etc. Here's an idea: there are many old iron smelting furnaces used long ago, the ruins still exist. In fact, there is an Iron Furnace Trail in Decatur Co. where people hike, ride horses, etc. There are low openings and a triangular shape to some of them.
That's an interesting though, Concentric....are the pictures on google images, or did you find them elsewhere?
YellowDog
04-27-2011, 10:20 AM
It strikes me as strange that they have called the searchers off for a couple of days.
Could this mean they have determined that Holly left willingly and they know where she is? Could she possibly have run off with a guy and they have run out of money but are stranded miles away from home?
sunshine33
04-27-2011, 10:23 AM
Good Morning!
In regards to the statement "sometimes things are not as they appear"... This was said after quite a few people called in questioning why the brother would not have gone out to help if he had seen someone leading her away in the woods. I personally took it to mean whatever the brother saw did not cause him alarm, but now that we know she was abducted it actually was in deed a critical situation. So in the brother's case it wasn't what it appeared to be - like an innocent situation with a BF. Does that make sense? :-) Not sure if I explained that very well.
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 10:24 AM
I don't think it's a tissue. The officer is holding whatever it is with what looks like a rubber glove to me.
good eyes! And here I was biting my tongue about LE not using gloves to bag this evidence. :)
Regardless, using gloves in that way ... perhaps the item might not be as small as I'd been thinking - if one can scrunch up a rubber glove to grab & bag it - if hands are sweaty - might be the way to go...
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 10:26 AM
It strikes me as strange that they have called the searchers off for a couple of days.
Could this mean they have determined that Holly left willingly and they know where she is? Could she possibly have run off with a guy and they have run out of money but are stranded miles away from home?
IDK seems kinda far fetched to me. And LE did state empathetically they thought Holly was in fear for her life. I think weather (and the number of completed searches) resulted in the scaling back of large scale volunteer searches. You can only search the same areas over and over so many times. If something isnt there it isnt there weather you search it 2 days or 2 weeks.
ensht
04-27-2011, 10:29 AM
It strikes me as strange that they have called the searchers off for a couple of days.
Could this mean they have determined that Holly left willingly and they know where she is? Could she possibly have run off with a guy and they have run out of money but are stranded miles away from home?
Weather surely played a part. But I also think that whatever they found Sunday changed things up.
All I'm saying is people are instinctual creatures and can be swayed. The mis statements by LE from day one have hurt. Focus on the brother brought on by perceived inconsistencies that were in ALL likelihood just LE not getting it straight may have had people thinking about him versus a strange car they saw etc. It continued this week with obtuse circular speak from two different TBI sources.
In those initial few days the fact that they didn't clear the brother doesn't bother me. The fact they may have inadvertently had some focus on him?
The events surrounding Sunday....why the secrecy?
ensht
04-27-2011, 10:31 AM
Btw....do they think the perp/perps didn't know what evidence they left there? So why the secrecy?
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 10:32 AM
It strikes me as strange that they have called the searchers off for a couple of days.
Could this mean they have determined that Holly left willingly and they know where she is? Could she possibly have run off with a guy and they have run out of money but are stranded miles away from home?
Remember a few weeks ago tha tmother of 5 was reported missing her husband went hunting it was the wrong weekend he came home and she was gone she ran away! No charges were filed.
Makes ya wonder dosent it!
But the thing is its 2 weeks now and thousands of ppl are looking for her she would have come in.. JMO
I still think she is with this guy hes afraid. Maybe he will turn himself in.
Mountain_Kat
04-27-2011, 10:38 AM
motive?
revenge?
a debt?
a hazing/initiation?
a pregnancy?
... can be a motive.
hoping not the case here, but ... as there is some discussion about young people and drama ...
Love/obsession can also be a motive.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 10:39 AM
Greengreen, if you don't want to answer this question I would understand.
Has any of this evidence been found in places after they had already been searched?
I think green green stepped away for a min... hasnt said anything in a while!
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-27-2011, 10:40 AM
Btw....do they think the perp/perps didn't know what evidence they left there? So why the secrecy?
Maybe they want the perp to be sweating it out not knowing what evidence has been found. I'm not of the mind that the perp has been planting the evidence. I'm of the mind that he threw stuff out willy nilly to just spread the evidence around. But that's just my opinion!
GoHard24
04-27-2011, 10:41 AM
I think they know each other too! I just am wondering about it being someone she dated because they were all accounted for. But people keep saying someone is missing. What if he's not? What if he goes to her at night? She could be tied up at his house. If it is someone that is not "missing" then I have to think they did NOT know each other. But I think they did know each other.
Like you said, he could very well have slipped right back into society, especially if he already killed her. Either way this guy is not normal so I don't expect him to be very sociable. There is no reason the average 30 year old who's been out of college for about 7 years and starting his own life couldn't be responsible for this and get away with it with nobody noticing a thing.
I am just out of college and moved away from my home town. I live by myself and don't know all that many people from this semi-new area. I talk to my parents on the phone and talk/text a few others daily. If you weren't expected to be somewhere like work on that morning, how can you guarantee that somebody "saw something or knows something", especially somebody acting odd. I would think that a sick individual could do this quite easily and fit right back in to where he was in his life 24 hours later.
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 10:42 AM
Remember a few weeks ago tha tmother of 5 was reported missing her husband went hunting it was the wrong weekend he came home and she was gone she ran away! No charges were filed.
Makes ya wonder dosent it!
But the thing is its 2 weeks now and thousands of ppl are looking for her she would have come in.. JMO
I still think she is with this guy hes afraid. Maybe he will turn himself in.
The "Runaway Bride" got charged because she claimed to have been kidnapped, filed a false police report, etc. Basically she was involved in criminal activity, fraud, etc. The lady that ran away a couple of weeks ago was involved in some domestic matter and never claimed to have been kidnapped, etc. When I saw her story on the news they said perhaps she had gone to a women's shelter or some safe place to get away from her husband. Thats a different scenario.
In Holly's case though it is odd that we do not really know excactly what crimes have taken place. I don't think she left on her own free will. But theoretically if she did, running away isnt a crime per se especially if you are an adult. Aside from her being missing we can only speculate that a kidnapping has occurred. Shes gone and someone did it. As to any other kind of crimes... assault, sexual assault, murder, etc. Who knows. In two weeks we basically know what we knew after the first 24-36 hours... Holly went missing, was seen going into the woods, her lunch bag and probabaly one other item have been confirmed to have been recovered. Thats it...
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 10:44 AM
OMG i hate to say this but there is a Cave springs garbage collection i wonder if its a dump ...
GoHard24
04-27-2011, 10:46 AM
Maybe they want the perp to be sweating it out not knowing what evidence has been found. I'm not of the mind that the perp has been planting the evidence. I'm of the mind that he threw stuff out willy nilly to just spread the evidence around. But that's just my opinion!
I'm in the same boat. Assuming what they found at 100 Eaton was her cell phone, do you also think that he ditched her cell phone there first before moving north and throwing her lunch box out of the window or do you still think that it's possible he went north first and then south.
If what they found was something other than her cell phone it makes a little less sense to happen that way but there are still other important things he would ditch before a lunch box in my mind. For instance he would want to get rid of the purse fast as well. If a man is stopped at a road block or pulled over for some reason and he has a women's purse while they're looking for an abductor, that's an immediate red flag where as a lunch box is what ever.
I am almost certain in my head that he went to Eaton St. first before proceeding north just due to the unimportance of a lunch box.
alabamabella
04-27-2011, 10:50 AM
I remember a year or so back a girl and her mom made her prom dress out of duct tape! LOL It was on the HLN..
Actually....(I can't believe I am admitting this) my niece's date wore a white tux to prom two weeks ago...with a camo vest. She wore a dark green dress with camo accents in her hair. :crazy:
(We're in alabama, obviously, not far away...)
Shelley530
04-27-2011, 10:50 AM
I think once LE releases information, It will be a bombshell. I think they have much more than they are letting on!
TGIRecovered
04-27-2011, 10:53 AM
I think that the police are mum about what they have found because they need a way to determine if tips coming in are from someone with inside info, such as witness or an accomplice.
If they keep their findings to themselves but a tipster calls in refering to the item found or any other private detail, they know the info did not come from public knowledge.
liltexans
04-27-2011, 10:56 AM
I think that the police are mum about what they have found because they need a way to determine if tips coming in are from someone with inside info, such as witness or an accomplice.
If they keep their findings to themselves but a tipster calls in refering to the item found or any other private detail, they know the info did not come from public knowledge.
I totally agree. I think that is exactly the case.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 10:58 AM
Actually....(I can't believe I am admitting this) my niece's date wore a white tux to prom two weeks ago...with a camo vest. She wore a dark green dress with camo accents in her hair. :crazy:
(We're in alabama, obviously, not far away...)
LOL hey i live in south west florida when i drop my son off for school all the kids wear camo... heck it dosent get as dirty as white shorts lol:floorlaugh:
Did ya see the duct tape prom dress lol
jadejazzkayla
04-27-2011, 10:58 AM
I think they know each other too! I just am wondering about it being someone she dated because they were all accounted for. But people keep saying someone is missing. What if he's not? What if he goes to her at night? She could be tied up at his house. If it is someone that is not "missing" then I have to think they did NOT know each other. But I think they did know each other.
bbm..thank you for this tidbit of information, greengreen. I didn't know this.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:00 AM
Lots of 'maybes' and one of them could be right. What's so spooky about that picture is there's that flat, alter like rock right there in the front. If you recall, my 'imagination' said it wasn't a deep cave.
Tooo many maybes and way toooo much time is passing. I think its time to make a move dont u?
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 11:02 AM
Good Morning!
In regards to the statement "sometimes things are not as they appear"... This was said after quite a few people called in questioning why the brother would not have gone out to help if he had seen someone leading her away in the woods. I personally took it to mean whatever the brother saw did not cause him alarm, but now that we know she was abducted it actually was in deed a critical situation. So in the brother's case it wasn't what it appeared to be - like an innocent situation with a BF. Does that make sense? :-) Not sure if I explained that very well.
Makes total sense to me. Context is everything.
IMO, all LE statements - actually even family statements - in every case - need to be considered in their full original context. Otherwise they get twisted in their meaning and they are used to support theories that, in original context, they would not support.
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Dragging the Thread. ;)
I would think many people realize "dragged" is slang for "having talked someone into going somewhere when they'd just as soon not go".
The expression is perhaps even more commonly used in the south - and I've heard it as "drug" rather than "dragged". i.e. "He drug me way to the woods to see that stupid dead animal".
I wish people would get off this point. LE publicly cleared it up - an it was plain they never were told that Holly was actually being dragged - rather than walking on her own towards the woods.
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Other Random Coffee Break Thoughts:
Now LE did say they believe Holly was in fear for her life when she was walking - and that her abductor had her arm. I haven't heard that statement in a while. I wonder if they're backing off of it in favor of now believing that Holly knew her abductor and may not have been in fear for her life.
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I have wondered if the abductor(s) could have a acquaintance type of relationship via the brother. Holly was acquainted with many people. I would say the first circles they check (after Holly's direct friends and school and nursing acquaintences) would be father, mother, brother's circles.
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IMO, they've not found Holly. She's not in a hospital, hiding in a coma, etc..
If LE believes she could still be alive, they must have a reason to think this way - i.e. they must know the perp and understand motive. Have we heard LE say that this is still a rescue effort? That's an important distinction for me. Yesterday, the press reported that when asked about Holly, LE talked about narrowing the investigation and developing POI's. They avoided the question about Holly.
Frankly, the LE quoted phrase that was most significant to me yesterday was "game-changer".
The TBI quoted phrase that was 2nd most significant to me yesterday was "people of interest".
The fact that was most significant to me yesterday was that Holly's mom & dad tried to make it out to thank searchers on Easter Sunday ... but emotionally couldn't do it.
The fact that was 2nd most significant to me yesterday was that LE found a significant piece of evidence in the area/neighborhood of Holly's school and a hands and knees search of the area followed that find.
At least, I think that's what the facts were. (Correct me if I've got this wrong.)
JMHO.
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 11:04 AM
Tooo many maybes and way toooo much time is passing. I think its time to make a move dont u?
They already did... Twin Peaks
My bad I thought you said MOVIE. Thats what happens when I dont have my glasses. But Twin Peaks is about as weird as this case. Maybe we should ask the Log Lady?
jadejazzkayla
04-27-2011, 11:04 AM
Good Morning!
In regards to the statement "sometimes things are not as they appear"... This was said after quite a few people called in questioning why the brother would not have gone out to help if he had seen someone leading her away in the woods. I personally took it to mean whatever the brother saw did not cause him alarm, but now that we know she was abducted it actually was in deed a critical situation. So in the brother's case it wasn't what it appeared to be - like an innocent situation with a BF. Does that make sense? :-) Not sure if I explained that very well.
good morning sunshine:seeya:
bbm.. You posted regarding questions prior to the "statement". Did you see the person on a video or hear it on radio or tv? If there is a link to it, i'ld like to listen. tia.
Tooo many maybes and way toooo much time is passing. I think its time to make a move dont u?
Well, Eileen, some of the best criminal investigators in the country are working on this case, and I have faith they're doing the absolute best job they can in this case. I have no reason to suspect otherwise.
They can't convict someone on the imagination of someone. They have to have hard evidence, either a confession, or hard evidence that links a particular person to the deed. In murder cases they like to do the habeus corpus thing too, as in here it is. Which I hope isn't the case with Holly, but it's my deepest concern.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:07 AM
They already did... Twin Peaks
My bad I thought you said MOVIE. Thats what happens when I dont have my glasses. But Twin Peaks is about as weird as this case. Maybe we should ask the Log Lady?
LOL:floorlaugh:
I loved Twin Peaks!
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:09 AM
Well, Eileen, some of the best criminal investigators in the country are working on this case, and I have faith they're doing the absolute best job they can in this case. I have no reason to suspect otherwise.
They can't convict someone on the imagination of someone. They have to have hard evidence, either a confession, or hard evidence that links a particular person to the deed. In murder cases they like to do the habeus corpus thing too, as in here it is. Which I hope isn't the case with Holly, but it's my deepest concern.
LOL I dont mean arrest someone but i think they maybe need to change their tactics...
Maybe the silence isnt working...
time to light a fire...
I believe they know WHO IT ISNT!!!!! Clear the air a little.... toss a few crumbs!
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 11:11 AM
Well, Eileen, some of the best criminal investigators in the country are working on this case, and I have faith they're doing the absolute best job they can in this case. I have no reason to suspect otherwise.
They can't convict someone on the imagination of someone. They have to have hard evidence, either a confession, or hard evidence that links a particular person to the deed. In murder cases they like to do the habeus corpus thing too, as in here it is. Which I hope isn't the case with Holly, but it's my deepest concern.
The Anne Pressly case surprised me. After the initial flurry of vague, inaccurate and confusing info, the case died off for a month. You didn't hear a PEEP from LE. Their famous statement was they had a suspect but didn't know who that person was yet but someone had to have committed the crime... Then, out of the blue, a month later, it all came together and in one night they announced the name of their suspect and he was apprehended. Lots of behind the scenes work there with DNA, comparing her case to other similar and dissimilar cases. In the end it was an investigation into someone suspected of pawning stolen goods that came back to both Anne's rape and murder and an earlier rape in a near by town.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:15 AM
The Anne Pressly case surprised me. After the initial flurry of vague, inaccurate and confusing info, the case died off for a month. You didn't hear a PEEP from LE. Their famous statement was they had a suspect but didn't know who that person was yet but someone had to have committed the crime... Then, out of the blue, a month later, it all came together and in one night they announced the name of their suspect and he was apprehended. Lots of behind the scenes work there with DNA, comparing her case to other similar and dissimilar cases. In the end it was an investigation into someone suspected of pawning stolen goods that came back to both Anne's rape and murder and an earlier rape in a near by town.
Hi Carla!
I think if it was a rape and murder we would have found her already.
JMO
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 11:16 AM
Do locals think it's at all significant that Easter's find was in the area of Holly's school?
I'm asking b/c I'm not familiar with the neighborhoods and traffic patterns.
To me, the location seems more purposeful (or significant) than coincidental. If you're tossing evidence ... why not toss it into random wooded terrain off a highway. Why toss evidence in front of Holly's own campus?
Weird to me, so I thought we might see what locals thought of that...
CuriousHousewife
04-27-2011, 11:16 AM
The Anne Pressly case surprised me. After the initial flurry of vague, inaccurate and confusing info, the case died off for a month. You didn't hear a PEEP from LE. Their famous statement was they had a suspect but didn't know who that person was yet but someone had to have committed the crime... Then, out of the blue, a month later, it all came together and in one night they announced the name of their suspect and he was apprehended. Lots of behind the scenes work there with DNA, comparing her case to other similar and dissimilar cases. In the end it was an investigation into someone suspected of pawning stolen goods that came back to both Anne's rape and murder and an earlier rape in a near by town.
Yes and IIRC, that all happened within like an hour (the announcement and the apprehension).
not_my_kids
04-27-2011, 11:20 AM
Personal opinion here and nothing else:
I think TBI is waiting for public interest to drop off. By this point, they have enough small pieces of inconsequential evidence that if they wanted to, they could release a statement a day, and keep the public interest. They are not doing so. The first few days, the Sheriff was a good source of info, but TBI seemed to shut him up real quick when they came on the scene.
I think they know that her abductor is local, the search for Holly is local, but her abductor may have gone national by now. I think the search for Holly will go into recovery soon, and for that, they will really only need locals. If national public interest drops they will hve fewer psychics and crackpots to torture the parents and delay LE.
TBI has never seemed like an agency that is real big on public intervention, and in this case, they invited a lot of public involvement both with searching and looking at their neighbors. That led them nowhere, I think they are going back to the old system of largely excluding the public.
MOO.
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 11:20 AM
Hi Carla!
I think if it was a rape and murder we would have found her already.
JMO
Yes I agree there. My point is that in her case, LE put out very little, confused and inaccurate info to the public but worked very hard behind the scenes to solve the crime.
I have a very dim view of LE overall but I will give them credit there...
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:22 AM
LOL something must be going on Twitter is over capacity lol
AppleGreen
04-27-2011, 11:22 AM
Please stay safe everyone! How weird all of this weather going on. Here in TX we are experiencing the worst drought we have ever seen especially here in South TX. You guys are getting it rough. Stay safe and may Holly be found today.
I'm in West Texas and it is sooooo bad here too...dry and windy.... O/T! Sorry!!!!
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 11:23 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong (haha - no doubt with all my WS friends) wasn't the "find" on Sunday at the 100 Eaton???? Which lead them to search area around the campus??
TIA
JMO
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:24 AM
Yes I agree there. My point is that in her case, LE put out very little, confused and inaccurate info to the public but worked very hard behind the scenes to solve the crime.
I have a very dim view of LE overall but I will give them credit there...
LOL and i have a very high esteem for LE but not in this case lol
We can agree to disagree!!!!!!:woohoo:
I dont know what it is but something just does not sit right with me about this and i couldnt tell u exactly what it is...
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:26 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong (haha - no doubt with all my WS friends) wasn't the "find" on Sunday at the 100 Easton???? Which lead them to search area around the campus??
TIA
JMO
I believe your right!
concentric
04-27-2011, 11:27 AM
Well, Eileen, some of the best criminal investigators in the country are working on this case, and I have faith they're doing the absolute best job they can in this case. I have no reason to suspect otherwise.
They can't convict someone on the imagination of someone. They have to have hard evidence, either a confession, or hard evidence that links a particular person to the deed. In murder cases they like to do the habeus corpus thing too, as in here it is. Which I hope isn't the case with Holly, but it's my deepest concern.
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Last week, I was reading about Bundy and where he used to hide people he abducted. I posted that he left one victim in a mine. Lots of mines in TN, also caves like SnowInMemphis, Mick and others posted about. And then the iron furnaces ruins. I'm sure that LE has people searching many of these structures.
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So, it's not like this is some crazy idea (I think of that scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, where he sculpts the rock tower out of mashed potatoes).
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 11:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong (haha - no doubt with all my WS friends) wasn't the "find" on Sunday at the 100 Easton???? Which lead them to search area around the campus??
TIA
JMO
... and is 100 Easton close / next door to the campus?
... and would you toss something around 100 Easton b/c the item wouldn't be easily found?
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 11:28 AM
LOL and i have a very high esteem for LE but not in this case lol
We can agree to disagree!!!!!!:woohoo:
I dont know what it is but something just does not sit right with me about this and i couldnt tell u exactly what it is...
Yup... something smells (and its not my upper lip) I wonder if the family spokesperson has filed for unemployment?
I can't say I have seen a case that is more hot and cold than this one. One moments its breaking news thats going to crack things wide open, and the next is well we think we found something important but arent sure and aren't going to tell you anyway.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:33 AM
... and is 100 Easton close / next door to the campus?
... and would you toss something around 100 Easton b/c the item wouldn't be easily found?
well i dont know i know if i didnt want something found i would not toss it on the side of a road. esp if ya abducted or possibly killed someone.
If you remember there was this big rush to get the searchers back real fast
.... they sent them to easton road then they frantically went to the school..
I think the guy called le told them to look on Easton road near 100 easton and what they found there led them to the school and maybe these clues led LE to believe Holly was alive maybe she got to speak to her mom... remember the family ventured out easter sun... and it was after that the frenzy began ..
Just a thought!
liltexans
04-27-2011, 11:39 AM
... and is 100 Easton close / next door to the campus?
... and would you toss something around 100 Easton b/c the item wouldn't be easily found?
According to Hollye's map, it's actually 100 Eaton St. I think that's the site of a currently open concrete products factory (Tri County Concrete Products).
It looks like the campus is a pretty straight shot from that location SW down Hwy 69.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=35.679217,-88.175486&spn=0.007617,0.013057&t=h&z=17
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:44 AM
Flood warning for Decature county extended
same for henderson!
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 11:46 AM
Yup... something smells (and its not my upper lip) I wonder if the family spokesperson has filed for unemployment?
I can't say I have seen a case that is more hot and cold than this one. One moments its breaking news thats going to crack things wide open, and the next is well we think we found something important but arent sure and aren't going to tell you anyway.
Exactly!!!!!
Like an OXYMORON! LOL
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 11:47 AM
According to Hollye's map, it's actually 100 Eaton St. I think that's the site of a currently open concrete products factory (Tri County Concrete Products).
It looks like the campus is a pretty straight shot from that location SW down Hwy 69.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=35.679217,-88.175486&spn=0.007617,0.013057&t=h&z=17
liltexans,
And also if you look at the map, they were close to 100 Eaton with their searches on 4/17 and 4/19...makes you believe that LE is hot on the trail...enough to make someone nervous enough to call in a tip??? Perhaps with the searchers taking a couple days of physical rest, they will have time to reflect and 'remember" something to report to LE.....
JMO
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Skully
04-27-2011, 11:51 AM
Makes total sense to me. Context is everything.
IMO, all LE statements - actually even family statements - in every case - need to be considered in their full original context. Otherwise they get twisted in their meaning and they are used to support theories that, in original context, they would not support.
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Dragging the Thread. ;)
I would think many people realize "dragged" is slang for "having talked someone into going somewhere when they'd just as soon not go".
The expression is perhaps even more commonly used in the south - and I've heard it as "drug" rather than "dragged". i.e. "He drug me way to the woods to see that stupid dead animal".
I wish people would get off this point. LE publicly cleared it up - an it was plain they never were told that Holly was actually being dragged - rather than walking on her own towards the woods.
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Other Random Coffee Break Thoughts:
Now LE did say they believe Holly was in fear for her life when she was walking - and that her abductor had her arm. I haven't heard that statement in a while. I wonder if they're backing off of it in favor of now believing that Holly knew her abductor and may not have been in fear for her life.
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I have wondered if the abductor(s) could have a acquaintance type of relationship via the brother. Holly was acquainted with many people. I would say the first circles they check (after Holly's direct friends and school and nursing acquaintences) would be father, mother, brother's circles.
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IMO, they've not found Holly. She's not in a hospital, hiding in a coma, etc..
If LE believes she could still be alive, they must have a reason to think this way - i.e. they must know the perp and understand motive. Have we heard LE say that this is still a rescue effort? That's an important distinction for me. Yesterday, the press reported that when asked about Holly, LE talked about narrowing the investigation and developing POI's. They avoided the question about Holly.
Frankly, the LE quoted phrase that was most significant to me yesterday was "game-changer".
The TBI quoted phrase that was 2nd most significant to me yesterday was "people of interest".
The fact that was most significant to me yesterday was that Holly's mom & dad tried to make it out to thank searchers on Easter Sunday ... but emotionally couldn't do it.
The fact that was 2nd most significant to me yesterday was that LE found a significant piece of evidence in the area/neighborhood of Holly's school and a hands and knees search of the area followed that find.
At least, I think that's what the facts were. (Correct me if I've got this wrong.)
JMHO.
Hi Emma,
The two things that I originally hear that got changed were "dragged into the woods" and "home invasion". These would go together in my mind, but both were tossed out soon after and then it was "lead in to the woods" and it was outside the the home. So I think that is why people keep questioning all of this stuff, because that is a huge difference in wording.
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 11:54 AM
Hi Emma,
The two things that I originally hear that got changed were "dragged into the woods" and "home invasion". These would go together in my mind, but both were tossed out soon after and then it was "lead in to the woods" and it was outside the the home. So I think that is why people keep questioning all of this stuff, because that is a huge difference in wording.
Its like no one sees it when a newspaper prints a retraction (on page 12). They just remember the inaccurate headline on page 1.
home invasion versus outside in the car port
dragged versus led
car found car not found
phone found phone not found
etc.
Skully
04-27-2011, 11:57 AM
Its like no one sees it when a newspaper prints a retraction (on page 12). They just remember the inaccurate headline on page 1.
home invasion versus outside in the car port
dragged versus led
car found car not found
phone found phone not found
etc.
Right, because it was the first thing heard or written so it sticks with you. In this case you just listed 4 things that were written or said that have changed, and that is confusing to a lot of people, and not everyone reads everyday or listens to people making retractions on or off the air.
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Last week, I was reading about Bundy and where he used to hide people he abducted. I posted that he left one victim in a mine. Lots of mines in TN, also caves like SnowInMemphis, Mick and others posted about. And then the iron furnaces ruins. I'm sure that LE has people searching many of these structures.
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So, it's not like this is some crazy idea (I think of that scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, where he sculpts the rock tower out of mashed potatoes).
lol....yes, I remember that scene, now that you mention it again, C. I always had compassion for that guy....knowing what was in his mind and feeling it so strongly, but it being so alien and seeming so strange to others around him at the time.....
Speaking of which, I've got to do some real work around here, and I promised myself that at 9am my time I was going to do some....have a great day...I look forward to checking up on developments in an hour or two...
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 12:03 PM
Hi Emma,
The two things that I originally hear that got changed were "dragged into the woods" and "home invasion". These would go together in my mind, but both were tossed out soon after and then it was "lead in to the woods" and it was outside the the home. So I think that is why people keep questioning all of this stuff, because that is a huge difference in wording.
IMO, those reports were from early reporting. The 911 protocols had it classified as home invasion, and the witness's slang was carried in reports made early on by LE.
I understand why folks might at first be curious as to the change in witness descriptive reports. Some are quite eager to jump to conclusions and, IMO, uninterested in LE's explanation that once LE had thoroughly interviewed witnesses they could clarify the original description of witnessed events.
I'm just sayin' ... it makes sense to me ... probably because I spend enough time reading here.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 12:14 PM
IMO, those reports were from early reporting. The 911 protocols had it classified as home invasion, and the witness's slang was carried in reports made early on by LE.
I understand why folks might at first be curious as to the change in witness descriptive reports. Some are quite eager to jump to conclusions and, IMO, uninterested in LE's explanation that once LE had thoroughly interviewed witnesses they could clarify the original description of witnessed events.
I'm just sayin' ... it makes sense to me ... probably because I spend enough time reading here.
How do you know it was slang?
If ya find blood and call the police i think you are going to tell them what ya see
and even the word dragged in slang is diff then LED!!! it s a totally diff visual.
JMO
nursebeeme
04-27-2011, 12:15 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20057821-504083.html
repeat of previous news
nursebeeme
04-27-2011, 12:23 PM
IMO, those reports were from early reporting. The 911 protocols had it classified as home invasion, and the witness's slang was carried in reports made early on by LE.
I understand why folks might at first be curious as to the change in witness descriptive reports. Some are quite eager to jump to conclusions and, IMO, uninterested in LE's explanation that once LE had thoroughly interviewed witnesses they could clarify the original description of witnessed events.
I'm just sayin' ... it makes sense to me ... probably because I spend enough time reading here.
bbm! amen Miss Peel. ITA with you here.
mahmoo
04-27-2011, 12:35 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong (haha - no doubt with all my WS friends) wasn't the "find" on Sunday at the 100 Eaton???? Which lead them to search area around the campus??
TIA
JMO
I don't know scorekeeper :waitasec:. If we look back at Will Nunley's tweets on late Sunday afternoon you will notice that he began tweeting that a "significant" item had been retrieved by searchers within the past 12 hours. Very soon after he tweeted that info, he has a "breaking" tweet that dispatch, under the direction of TBI, is calling for all available search teams on foot to rush to the Eaton St. and college campus locations. From media reports, we learned that the new, rushed search location was prompted from a tip that had come in via phone. Supposedly, her phone was found during that search but LE has not confirmed that. All that has been confirmed is that an "item" was found. So.....to me, it appears the "significant" find was PRIOR to the Eaton/campus search.
I've kind of been mulling around in my mind the possibility that the significant find may have been Holly. If not......WHAT was it that gave the family & investigators "hope" and possibly a "bigger piece of the puzzle"??? Also wondering IF it was Holly they found, alive, is it possible SHE was the one that provided the tip for whatever it was searchers were frantically searching for at the Eaton and campus location???
Something that kind of stood out to me in a news article from yesterday was that Helms (TBI) mentions they are "intently focusing more on finding a potential suspect" and does not mention intently focusing on finding the victim??? Was it just an oversight or......is it possible they have found her??? Hope it's the latter.
The severe weather in the area has understandably halted the organized public searches for a few days BUT......I think it will be quite telling in the next couple of days, after the bad weather moves out of the area, whether LE calls for the volunteer searches again.
Didn't want to clutter my post above with reference links so I've included them below.
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley (http://twitter.com/#%21/willnunley)
Will Nunley
24 Apr (http://twitter.com/#%21/willnunley/status/62295166890942464)
- Source: a 'significant' item was recovered by volunteers within the past 12 hours.
- Volunteer: this new discovery is powering heightened search efforts for another day.
- Authorities will not disclose the item discovered.
- Breaking: Dispatch: Decatur County rescue squad and volunteer firefighters just dispatched for a specialized foot search.
- Authorizes have not assembled many new searches this late in the day.
- Dispatch: call for all available search teams on foot comes at the direction of the THP
- Organizer: this is the latest (in the evening) that a new search has been organized
- "we don't have time to waste" as searchers rush to board bus
- The volunteer center is all but empty as available crews rush onto buses.
- Crews comb the Eaton plant and property, off Hwy 641. http://bit.ly/fOxLSO
- Crews comb the roadway in front of the U.T. Parsons campus, where Holly attend schoolhttp://www.examiner.com/crime-justice-in-jackson-tn/update-holly-bobo-s-cell-phone-found-roadside
Although law enforcement are not revealing any information concerning the "significant" item found during Sunday's search, a member of the search teams has revealed the item was believed to be Holly's cell phone. Reportedly, the cell phone was located on side of the road on Hwy. 69 in Parsons, near Kolpack, a nearby factory.http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-search-day-12-significant-lead-search-efforts-continue-monday
The Decatur County Sheriff said the new search areas are based on a tip that came in during a phone call.http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-family-hopeful-new-development-weather-hinders-search
Officials said the item found over the weekend is a “significant” lead in the case of missing 20-year-old nursing student, Holly Bobo…..
"We did find an additional piece of evidence that we may link to Holly, but we're not releasing what it is, of course," said Kristin Helm, spokesperson for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation told Reuters.
Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Director Mark Gwyn said, “Not only has it given the family hope, it’s given the investigators hope.
"Anytime you find what you believe to be evidence from someone that’s missing, it revives the search and the investigation. Hopefully this will give us a huge piece of that puzzle," he said.
http://midsouthnewz.com/news/midsouth-regional-news/search-for-holly-bobo-focuses-on-suspect.html
When asked if she [Helms] believed that investigators were closer to finding Bobo this week than in the previous week, Helms stated that the investigation has "become more narrowed" and that officials are intently focusing more on finding a potential suspect in the 20 year old's disappearance.
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 12:38 PM
How do you know it was slang?
If ya find blood and call the police i think you are going to tell them what ya see
and even the word dragged in slang is diff then LED!!! it s a totally diff visual.
JMO
We don't know what was said on the 911 call.
We only know LE 1st description, and then LE's clarified description of witness accounts.
To me the logic here is pretty simple.
If there's been a change of witness account story - we can only point to it being LE's change of witness account story.
Not the brother's. We can't point to anything that says the brother changed his story.
For me, that's the end of that line of thinking. The buck stops with LE.
If people want to theorize that LE is in somehow motivated to cover for the brother and therefore helped him change his story ... well ... whatever the theory is that follows from that ... they can go ahead and enlighten us.
If it's an LE conspiracy theory, however, I think I'll go have a nap first. :crazy:
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 12:43 PM
I don't know scorekeeper :waitasec:. If we look back at Will Nunley's tweets on late Sunday afternoon you will notice that he began tweeting that a "significant" item had been retrieved by searchers within the past 12 hours. Very soon after he tweeted that info, he has a "breaking" tweet that dispatch, under the direction of TBI, is calling for all available search teams on foot to rush to the Eaton St. and college campus locations. From media reports, we learned that the new, rushed search location was prompted from a tip that had come in via phone. Supposedly, her phone was found during that search but LE has not confirmed that. All that has been confirmed is that an "item" was found. So.....to me, it appears the "significant" find was PRIOR to the Eaton/campus search.
I've kind of been mulling around in my mind the possibility that the significant find may have been Holly. If not......WHAT was it that gave the family & investigators "hope" and possibly a "bigger piece of the puzzle"??? Also wondering IF it was Holly they found, alive, is it possible SHE was the one that provided the tip for whatever it was searchers were frantically searching for at the Eaton and campus location???
Something that kind of stood out to me in a news article from yesterday was that Helms TBI) mentions they are "intently focusing more on finding a potential suspect" and does not mention intently focusing on finding the victim??? Was it just an oversight or......is it possible they have found her??? Hope it's the latter.
The severe weather in the area has understandably halted the organized public searches for a few days BUT......I think it will be quite telling in the next couple of days, after the bad weather moves out of the area, whether LE calls for the volunteer searches again.
Didn't want to clutter my post above with reference links so I've included them below.
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley (http://twitter.com/#%21/willnunley)
Will Nunley
24 Apr (http://twitter.com/#%21/willnunley/status/62295166890942464)
http://www.examiner.com/crime-justice-in-jackson-tn/update-holly-bobo-s-cell-phone-found-roadside
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-search-day-12-significant-lead-search-efforts-continue-monday
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-family-hopeful-new-development-weather-hinders-search
http://midsouthnewz.com/news/midsouth-regional-news/search-for-holly-bobo-focuses-on-suspect.html
Ya know that significant find may have been Holly... Everything took a diff turn after that and the focus became the suspect. No searches, nothing new.
You might be right!
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 12:44 PM
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110427/NEWS01/110427007/1002/Officials-refuse-release-Holly-Bobo-blood-analysis-results
Decatur County and Tennessee Bureau of Investigation officials said analysis has been done on blood found near the residence of Holly Bobo, a 20-year-old abducted nursing student, but they have declined to release the results of the analysis.
Miziree
04-27-2011, 12:45 PM
Maybe they reviewed tapes from that business and seen Holly alive being lead around in the woods, and/or a note from her? It would explain why the mom had hope and the investigation took a new turn and the call for a immediate search...just thinking out loud here...IMO
53chevygirl
04-27-2011, 12:49 PM
Maybe they reviewed tapes from that business and seen Holly alive being lead around in the woods, and/or a note from her? It would explain why the mom had hope and the investigation took a new turn and the call for a immediate search...just thinking out loud here...IMO
But then why would the search crews be on hands and knees?
RoseRed
04-27-2011, 12:49 PM
well i dont know i know if i didnt want something found i would not toss it on the side of a road. esp if ya abducted or possibly killed someone.
If you remember there was this big rush to get the searchers back real fast
.... they sent them to easton road then they frantically went to the school..
I think the guy called le told them to look on Easton road near 100 easton and what they found there led them to the school and maybe these clues led LE to believe Holly was alive maybe she got to speak to her mom... remember the family ventured out easter sun... and it was after that the frenzy began ..
Just a thought!
I do not beleive the parents ventured out. They made a phone call but did not venture out.
ensht
04-27-2011, 12:51 PM
I have a hard time thinking they found her and aren't telling us. Where is the precedent and what is the benefit?
Whatever they found Sunday set them rushing around which is very odd.
Maybe when this concludes we will understand why they acted the way they did (TBI etc). I have to believe there's a reason because if there is not what we have is nothing.
another nosey mom
04-27-2011, 12:51 PM
National Weather Service issues "dangerous situation" tornado watch for parts of Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi.
A "particularly dangerous situation watch" is issued when there is a high risk of multiple strong tornadoes
Miziree
04-27-2011, 12:52 PM
But then why would the search crews be on hands and knees?
Maybe she has been leaving small evidence when the abductor was not looking?
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 12:52 PM
mahmoo,
slap me upside the head :doh:
I believe you are correct........my mind is so full of scanner chatter......
Thanks so much for "bringing it all back to me"
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Eileen730
04-27-2011, 12:53 PM
We don't know what was said on the 911 call.
We only know LE 1st description, and then LE's clarified description of witness accounts.
To me the logic here is pretty simple.
If there's been a change of witness account story - we can only point to it being LE's change of witness account story.
Not the brother's. We can't point to anything that says the brother changed his story.
For me, that's the end of that line of thinking. The buck stops with LE.
If people want to theorize that LE is in somehow motivated to cover for the brother and therefore helped him change his story ... well ... whatever the theory is that follows from that ... they can go ahead and enlighten us.
If it's an LE conspiracy theory, however, I think I'll go have a nap first. :crazy:
Well i just think it strange to go from dragged into the woods to led into the woods. sure i can understand how after talking to him that it could change.
but what im saying here is LE spoke to him at the scene and im sure nothing was released to the media after the 911 call it could only be released after LE spoke to her brother, what bothers me it was quite a bit later that the story changed. Ya tell what ya see .... Maybe the ORIGINAL story was really the right story!!!!
I mean i dont mean to upset anyone here but i find this all a bit disturbing!
If Clint came out and said something of what he saw we all would understand.
I respect your opinion! i feel you should respect others who dont agree!
We need to agree to disagree!
Conspiracy theory NO Just messed up!
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-week-wrap-up-rumors-dispelled-next-steps
There have been online rumors that Holly has been found.
Helm said, “To my knowledge, Holly has not been found. We don’t have information indicating she is either alive or dead.”
Helm said Tuesday afternoon, “We have no new developments to report on today.
“TBI is still following leads on her [Holly’s] case.
“Volunteer search will continue if and when needed.
“A news release will be issued by TBI when we have new information to release," Helm said.
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 12:55 PM
I don't know scorekeeper :waitasec:. If we look back at Will Nunley's tweets on late Sunday afternoon you will notice that he began tweeting that a "significant" item had been retrieved by searchers within the past 12 hours. Very soon after he tweeted that info, he has a "breaking" tweet that dispatch, under the direction of TBI, is calling for all available search teams on foot to rush to the Eaton St. and college campus locations. From media reports, we learned that the new, rushed search location was prompted from a tip that had come in via phone. Supposedly, her phone was found during that search but LE has not confirmed that. All that has been confirmed is that an "item" was found. So.....to me, it appears the "significant" find was PRIOR to the Eaton/campus search.
I've kind of been mulling around in my mind the possibility that the significant find may have been Holly. If not......WHAT was it that gave the family & investigators "hope" and possibly a "bigger piece of the puzzle"??? Also wondering IF it was Holly they found, alive, is it possible SHE was the one that provided the tip for whatever it was searchers were frantically searching for at the Eaton and campus location???
Something that kind of stood out to me in a news article from yesterday was that Helms TBI) mentions they are "intently focusing more on finding a potential suspect" and does not mention intently focusing on finding the victim??? Was it just an oversight or......is it possible they have found her??? Hope it's the latter.
The severe weather in the area has understandably halted the organized public searches for a few days BUT......I think it will be quite telling in the next couple of days, after the bad weather moves out of the area, whether LE calls for the volunteer searches again.
Didn't want to clutter my post above with reference links so I've included them below.
<respectfully snipped links>
:goodpost:
Thanks so much for all those links from yesterday in one place.
Couple of thoughts:
The find would give the investigators hope if it confirmed they were on the right track with some specific POI(s). Same with the family. Would give everyone hope for Holly if they've developed a motive for the kidnapping - relative to a specific POI - that would let them believe Holly could survive the ordeal - that murder was not a motive here. Kidnapping - perhaps. Murder - not a motive. Would give investigators & family hope if what was found is some sort of proof that Holly survived beyond a critical timeframe (like the first 24 hours).
Don't think TBI sidestepping questions about Holly was a mistake yesterday. The answer was an intentional distraction, to move question focus off of Holly and onto narrowing of the case and narrowing of suspects.
Could that TBI statement have been intentional messaging and soundbite from TBI to kidnapper?
I don't think Holly would be described as a potentially significant piece of evidence. IMO, we are still :praying: for the miracle of Holly's safe return.
Dogface
04-27-2011, 12:55 PM
I think they know each other too! I just am wondering about it being someone she dated because they were all accounted for. But people keep saying someone is missing. What if he's not? What if he goes to her at night? She could be tied up at his house. If it is someone that is not "missing" then I have to think they did NOT know each other. But I think they did know each other.
This is my thoughts exactly! My current train of thought is that it is a single male living with an incapacitated parent that he takes care of, and would be unaware if someone was being held captive in their house...or even possibly someone who acquired ownership of the house after the passing of an elderly relative. I think also that the blood belongs to the perp and that he was injured when he tried to grab her and she fought back, which I think led him to use some type of force which substantially subdued her making it so he could lead her away(maybe he even taped her mouth shut and later once upon recovering she was able to remove it and scream alerting the neighbor)...I think he parked at a vacant house or on some hidden trail and he simply put her in the trunk, drove to his house, parked in the garage and closed it, making it completely unseen between the two spots. Then, I think he reported to work as usual, taking stuff with him, and dropping it in various places. Perhaps his job even has him traveling around the town(pizza delivery, meter man, etc) so it wouldn't be weird to see this person in various areas throughout town during the day.
I also have a feeling that cigarette butts retrieved on the campus or in the woods have been found with DNA that match the blood in the carport/garage area. Perhaps they have an area they feel he was sitting at in the woods watching the house, and dropping a cigarette might be such an ingrained habit that he didn't think twice about dropping it...and they are looking at who smokes this particular brand of cigarettes in the places that Holly would frequent.
Of course, JMO, just hoping for a scenario where she is alive.
mahmoo
04-27-2011, 12:56 PM
Ya know that significant find may have been Holly... Everything took a diff turn after that and the focus became the suspect. No searches, nothing new.
You might be right!
I'm sensing a different "vibe" with the investigation myself.....although can't really put my finger on it. And, with LE "intently focusing more on finding a potential suspect" rather than the victim, it causes me to wonder if she did not know or was not familiar with the person that abducted her and could only give a description of the guy and maybe the vehicle. All purely conjecture on my part and assuming she may have been found already. Now as to why LE would keep it quiet if she'd been found Sunday.......all I can figure is they're trying to keep the perp guessing. He may have been holding her at a different location from where he normally resides and they could be waiting to see if he returns to "check on her". http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-indifferent-smileys-746.gif
LLLindsayy
04-27-2011, 12:57 PM
I know I've said this has been said before, but not much talk has come of it. People keep commenting on the changing of stories within this case, and I'm wondering if you folks have considered that, although it may be "bad reporting," maybe it keeps happening because MSM is releasing critical information too soon. I've been it happen in a few different cases (specifically Morgan Harrington's T-shirt), so it could be happening here too as well.
stilettos
04-27-2011, 12:57 PM
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110427/NEWS01/110427007/1002/Officials-refuse-release-Holly-Bobo-blood-analysis-results
Decatur County and Tennessee Bureau of Investigation officials said analysis has been done on blood found near the residence of Holly Bobo, a 20-year-old abducted nursing student, but they have declined to release the results of the analysis.
I just cannot think of a way that TBI could perpetrate this fraud and come out of it without major carp. I do not believe they would hide the fact that they found her......unless they are holding it back because the perp has others in danger of death. No other way i can think of that they could do it. JMO
53chevygirl
04-27-2011, 12:57 PM
Maybe she has been leaving small evidence when the abductor was not looking?
But on the side of the road? Out in the open. If she was out running around town, even on the day she was taken, I'd assume she would have been found by now.
Eileen730
04-27-2011, 12:59 PM
I do not beleive the parents ventured out. They made a phone call but did not venture out.
Oh i thought they went to the fairgrounds and her mom was too upset to get out of the car.
Maybe im wrong!
another nosey mom
04-27-2011, 01:00 PM
doubt it is Holly that they are talking about as the 'significant item', as whatever it is made her mother say the item found was 'encouraging' or something to that nature.
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 01:02 PM
Some questioned whether Clint changed his story, if media misreported, or if there was a miscommunication from law enforcement.
Asked where the confusion came, Helm said, “I don't have Clint's statements in front of me to be able to tell you exactly what he said.
“I can tell you that there was some miscommunication,” Helm said
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-week-wrap-up-rumors-dispelled-next-steps
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 01:03 PM
Well i just think it strange to go from dragged into the woods to led into the woods. sure i can understand how after talking to him that it could change.
but what im saying here is LE spoke to him at the scene and im sure nothing was released to the media after the 911 call it could only be released after LE spoke to her brother, what bothers me it was quite a bit later that the story changed. Ya tell what ya see .... Maybe the ORIGINAL story was really the right story!!!!
I mean i dont mean to upset anyone here but i find this all a bit disturbing!
If Clint came out and said something of what he saw we all would understand.
I respect your opinion! i feel you should respect others who dont agree!
We need to agree to disagree!
Conspiracy theory NO Just messed up!
LOL, Eileen, you've earned your opinions from reading here - you've clearly done your homework and you've thought them through. No worries!
I'm trying to recall - did the story clarification happen when TBI showed up and things went more hushed?
If so, that would also help explain things. It seemed messed up b/c there was a change in lead agency happening and ... the new lead agency took control of the public face of the investigation and the story they put out there...
OldSteve
04-27-2011, 01:04 PM
I have a hard time thinking they found her and aren't telling us. Where is the precedent and what is the benefit?
Whatever they found Sunday set them rushing around which is very odd.
Maybe when this concludes we will understand why they acted the way they did (TBI etc). I have to believe there's a reason because if there is not what we have is nothing.
Don't think she's been found yet... would be very difficult to keep it hidden with all the media attention and people around...
If she was found, and if she cannot ID the perp(s), LE might be waiting to trap the perp(s) should they return to where she was found...
Miziree
04-27-2011, 01:06 PM
But on the side of the road? Out in the open. If she was out running around town, even on the day she was taken, I'd assume she would have been found by now.
I was trying to link a video but it would not post it right, if you google "cbs holly bobo criminologist" the first video that comes up.
The criminologist thinks that they are on foot still and in the area. That is where i was getting that line of thinking from. Not sure how he could have pulled this off, maybe he was military and knows how to move around without being seen...not sure...imo
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 01:06 PM
Some questioned whether Clint changed his story, if media misreported, or if there was a miscommunication from law enforcement.
Asked where the confusion came, Helm said, “I don't have Clint's statements in front of me to be able to tell you exactly what he said.
“I can tell you that there was some miscommunication,” Helm said
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-week-wrap-up-rumors-dispelled-next-steps
Helm is with TBI.
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 01:09 PM
I know I've said this has been said before, but not much talk has come of it. People keep commenting on the changing of stories within this case, and I'm wondering if you folks have considered that, although it may be "bad reporting," maybe it keeps happening because MSM is releasing critical information too soon. I've been it happen in a few different cases (specifically Morgan Harrington's T-shirt), so it could be happening here too as well.
oh it's definitely happening here. :yes: "inexperienced reporting", to put it kindly.
grandmaj
04-27-2011, 01:09 PM
Holly's parents said they wanted to thank those volunteers and officials face-to-face Sunday, and they tried. Dana and Karen Bobo made it as far as the search headquarters parking lot, but had to turn around.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42745327/ns/local_news-nashville_tn/
Please for all of our sanity lets go back to using links whenever possible. Links are our friends. Googling to find links is also your friend. I'll tell you why this is important. Sometimes something is misquoted, or misinterpreted and then we all get it stuck in our brains and find out a month later we were all :doh: .
Rallihanna
04-27-2011, 01:09 PM
I still think that all the randomness of the items isn't random at all. A perp would have no need to randomly scatter them- just don't scatter them at all. He could have hid them anywhere instead of scattering them.
Something isn't sitting right on this whole case with me. The LE's reactions seem so calm to me... They obviously know something we don't. And I'm not sure if we want to know...
mahmoo
04-27-2011, 01:10 PM
doubt it is Holly that they are talking about as the 'significant item', as whatever it is made her mother say the item found was 'encouraging' or something to that nature.
I know.....probably just wishful thinking on my part......sigh. I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out what it could have been though and why it gave LE and the family hope......was also described as a "large piece of the puzzle" and a potential "game changer". What the heck could it be :waitasec:.
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 01:17 PM
I know.....probably just wishful thinking on my part......sigh. I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out what it could have been though and why it gave LE and the family hope......was also described as a "large piece of the puzzle" and a potential "game changer". What the heck could it be :waitasec:.
yesterday there was quite a bit of brainstorming here of possibilities. everything from cellphone to sim card to memory stick to jewelry to just something simple that could to specifically connect holly to a known poi(s) they were working on...or that confirmed that holly might still be alive...
something that could change the focus and intensity of the investigation - and bring hope.
not that it's terribly comforting, but you're not the only one doing this: :banghead::banghead:
:grouphug:
not_my_kids
04-27-2011, 01:27 PM
I think that LE knows that after 2 weeks, this is no longer a mad scramble to find a live victim. This is recovery. Because the only thing that I can think of that would lead to relaxed attitude and hope for Holly is proof or at least strong evidence that Holly simply walked away with a guy that wasn't her boyfriend and has been willingly missing. I don't think that's what happened, but it's the only other scenario I can c0me up with besides the inevitable transition from rescue to recovery.
I detect a general sense of optimism, of feeling Holly could be alive, on this and other boards I follow. Not sure whether it's based on fact, intuition, or rumor, but it seems to be catching on. I like it.
I do too. But frankly, I don't get it. At all.
So hard to know what to think, especially since it's 2 weeks out and the statistics don't bode well.
Nothing makes sense to me anymore.
Mountain_Kat
04-27-2011, 01:29 PM
Some questioned whether Clint changed his story, if media misreported, or if there was a miscommunication from law enforcement.
Asked where the confusion came, Helm said, “I don't have Clint's statements in front of me to be able to tell you exactly what he said.
“I can tell you that there was some miscommunication,” Helm said
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-week-wrap-up-rumors-dispelled-next-steps
The brother's story has just never sat right with me. Of course, that could be due to bad reporting. But if the actual story he gave is that he was either in bed or in the shower, just happened to go to a window and see HB's boyfriend leading her into the woods,thought nothing of it until later when he notices blood in the driveway...I'm simply not buying all that. What made him just happen to go look out the window in the first place? And why wouldn't he think it odd that HB and her boyfriend were walking into a heavily wooded area at that time of the morning? If a neighbor heard HB scream, why didn't the brother? If he did hear her scream, why didn't he call 911 right then? Or go check things out for himself? Doesn't make sense, at least, not the reports I've read. Now maybe they've changed since then, I don't know...but the story just isn't right, imo.
I don't think her brother had anything to do with her abduction, but I do question whether he's telling the whole truth here. OR, maybe he's told LE the whole truth, and LE isn't revealing what that is because they don't want to embarrass the brother or something, I don't know. But I just can't buy the story the way I'm hearing it.
JMO
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 01:30 PM
yesterday there was quite a bit of brainstorming here of possibilities. everything from cellphone to sim card to memory stick to jewelry to just something simple that could to specifically connect holly to a known poi(s) they were working on...or that confirmed that holly might still be alive...
something that could change the focus and intensity of the investigation - and bring hope.
not that it's terribly comforting, but you're not the only one doing this: :banghead::banghead:
:grouphug:
If my daughter had been abducted in plain sight, I know one thing that would bring me hope would be a video of her and the perp.......this would be a big "game changer".....but we have no info from MSM regarding any business video tapes being reviewed but I'm sure that is pretty much standard operatiing procedure
Sly Scorpio
04-27-2011, 01:34 PM
Maybe there is a possibility that Holly is leaving a trail and LE does not want the perp to know exactly what they are finding so he doesn't get angry and harm her. Or maybe they don't want him to know so she is able to keep leaving a trail and they can find her?
Just throwing that out there.
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 01:36 PM
If my daughter had been abducted in plain sight, I know one thing that would bring me hope would be a video of her and the perp.......this would be a big "game changer".....but we have no info from MSM regarding any business video tapes being reviewed but I'm sure that is pretty much standard operatiing procedure
interesting, scorekeeper!
imagine if video also caught the tossed object being tossed - which spurred the searching.
perhaps locals would know if, based on the neighborhood, a video find is a possibility in this general location. (eaton/campus)
cluciano63
04-27-2011, 01:36 PM
If I am not mistaken, it was not LE that said "game changer" it was a question put to him, as in "could this be a game changer" and LE kinda sorta agreed...it was in a video from CNN I think...will try to find link.
greengreen
04-27-2011, 01:37 PM
Do locals think it's at all significant that Easter's find was in the area of Holly's school?
I'm asking b/c I'm not familiar with the neighborhoods and traffic patterns.
To me, the location seems more purposeful (or significant) than coincidental. If you're tossing evidence ... why not toss it into random wooded terrain off a highway. Why toss evidence in front of Holly's own campus?
Weird to me, so I thought we might see what locals thought of that...
The campus is around a random wooded area.
greengreen
04-27-2011, 01:38 PM
interesting, scorekeeper!
imagine if video also caught the tossed object being tossed - which spurred the searching.
perhaps locals would know if, based on the neighborhood, a video find is a possibility in this general location. (eaton/campus)
The campus is a possibility. On Eaton street though I don't know of any.
mahmoo
04-27-2011, 01:41 PM
I think whatever the "significant" find was earlier in the day Sunday somehow triggered the phone call tip that sent searchers scrambling that evening. Perhaps it's just a coincidence those 2 things happened within a 12 hour period but I don't think it is.
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 01:41 PM
(CBS/WREG/AP) PARSONS, Tenn. - Though police in Tennessee asked volunteers to hold off in their search for Holly Bobo due to severe storm conditions, investigators reportedly spent Tuesday following leads in the search for the missing 20-year-old nursing student in spite of the weather.
"We don't want to put [volunteers] at risk," said Tennessee Highway Patrol Lt. Brad Wilbanks to the Jackson Sun, "Law enforcement will still be around to respond to anything we find as it comes up."
The paper reports that police were the only ones searching for Bobo yesterday and will continue to be the only ones searching today, because of a forecast of severe storms.
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20057821-504083.html#ixzz1KkL8804k
Daisyjane
04-27-2011, 01:42 PM
I detect a general sense of optimism, of feeling Holly could be alive, on this and other boards I follow. Not sure whether it's based on fact, intuition, or rumor, but it seems to be catching on. I like it.
I do too. But frankly, I don't get it. At all.
So hard to know what to think, especially since it's 2 weeks out and the statistics don't bode well.
Nothing makes sense to me anymore.
I meant to say "newfound sense of optimism", due to the recent find (and yes, recent scuttlebutt).
greengreen
04-27-2011, 01:43 PM
Oh i thought they went to the fairgrounds and her mom was too upset to get out of the car.
Maybe im wrong!
I believe they made it as far as the parking lot.
Capri
04-27-2011, 01:47 PM
If I am not mistaken, it was not LE that said "game changer" it was a question put to him, as in "could this be a game changer" and LE kinda sorta agreed...it was in a video from CNN I think...will try to find link.
That is correct. It was the interviewer who asked "is it a gamechanger", and he kind of agreed
grandmaj
04-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I was able to listen to Bill Way's radio program this morning. He still stands by his comments and said to wait "a day or 2" and we'll know what happened.
?????
Thanks for this update. Because it is MSM I am going to leave this information. But, until we have sourced information, and because this is nothing more than a rumor, that was admitted to yesterday, we are not reopening this can of worms.
Thanks!!!!
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 01:48 PM
“We live in such a unique area,” remarked Decatur County Sheriff Roy Wyatt. “The public has worked diligently and given their time and equipment to aid in the search. We’ve seen such tireless efforts from law enforcement agencies. It’s really amazing to see. You’ll never know how much this is appreciated.”
Emergency Management Director Kevin Cagle announced more than 7,000 volunteers have registered to join the search.
http://www.decaturcountyonline.com/article.asp?art=1715
this community makes me proud to be an American........I want to say a personal "thank you"......
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Ellebelle
04-27-2011, 01:49 PM
I was trying to link a video but it would not post it right, if you google "cbs holly bobo criminologist" the first video that comes up.
The criminologist thinks that they are on foot still and in the area. That is where i was getting that line of thinking from. Not sure how he could have pulled this off, maybe he was military and knows how to move around without being seen...not sure...imo
I can't see this being the case at all. If they were on foot still and in the area someone somewhere would have seen them by now. I think everyone is on high alert looking for Holly, even subconsciously!
greengreen
04-27-2011, 01:50 PM
I think that LE knows that after 2 weeks, this is no longer a mad scramble to find a live victim. This is recovery. Because the only thing that I can think of that would lead to relaxed attitude and hope for Holly is proof or at least strong evidence that Holly simply walked away with a guy that wasn't her boyfriend and has been willingly missing. I don't think that's what happened, but it's the only other scenario I can c0me up with besides the inevitable transition from rescue to recovery.
To my knowledge, it is still a search and rescue.
Mountain_Kat
04-27-2011, 01:53 PM
The campus is around a random wooded area.
I've been trying to wrap my head around evidence being found near her college. Why would someone do that?
1). If you kidnapped someone at her home as she was about to get into her car and drive to her college, what possible reason would you have to drive to her college (with her in your car)? I can't think of a single reason to do that.
2). If you kidnapped someone at her home while she was about to leave for her college, and you dragged her into the woods and harmed her there, why would you then drive to her college (without her in the car) and leave evidence there? If you aren't aware that you've been seen with the girl, you might do something like that in order to make LE question whether she had gone to the campus on her own...maybe with a friend or something, instead of driving.
3). If the girl wasn't in fact kidnapped, and went with the guy willingly, then a trip to the college might make more sense. Perhaps she left something at the college, or if he goes to the same college, perhaps he left something.
Just some random questions rattling around in my head this afternoon.
not_my_kids
04-27-2011, 01:56 PM
To my knowledge, it is still a search and rescue.
yeah, but the transition has got to be coming soon. It's been two weeks, and public hope can't fight those stats for too long.
The way I see it, it can't stay a search and rescue for too much longer, in a realistic sense unless they have real evidence that Holly is alive. And if they do, then why are they letting public interest fall, unless they believe she is voluntarily missing, an idea which they dispelled early on?
~Sigh~ This one is highly confusing.
VicVixvi
04-27-2011, 01:56 PM
The brother's story has just never sat right with me. Of course, that could be due to bad reporting. But if the actual story he gave is that he was either in bed or in the shower, just happened to go to a window and see HB's boyfriend leading her into the woods,thought nothing of it until later when he notices blood in the driveway...I'm simply not buying all that. What made him just happen to go look out the window in the first place? And why wouldn't he think it odd that HB and her boyfriend were walking into a heavily wooded area at that time of the morning? If a neighbor heard HB scream, why didn't the brother? If he did hear her scream, why didn't he call 911 right then? Or go check things out for himself? Doesn't make sense, at least, not the reports I've read. Now maybe they've changed since then, I don't know...but the story just isn't right, imo.
I don't think her brother had anything to do with her abduction, but I do question whether he's telling the whole truth here. OR, maybe he's told LE the whole truth, and LE isn't revealing what that is because they don't want to embarrass the brother or something, I don't know. But I just can't buy the story the way I'm hearing it.
JMO
In my mind, it's not all that hard to reconcile. Perhaps the scream woke him up but in the fog of 'just awoken', he didn't realize it was a scream. He looked out the window as he was headed to the bathroom (which most people do first thing upon awakening), saw Holly, thought nothing was amiss and proceeded to take his shower.
Perhaps he was on his way to the kitchen for breakfast and casually glanced out the window as he passed and saw Holly and what he thought was her boyfriend out in the field.
Perhaps he looked out the window after getting out of the shower to see if Holly was gone so he could so he knew if he needed to wrap up in a towel before heading to his bedroom.
There's a hundred different possibilities I can think of, none of which have sinister overtones.
IMO, I don't see what the big deal about why he looked out the window. I also live out in the country and look out my windows all the time.
It would be nice if LE would release a timeline of some sort, but apparently that's not going to happen.
greengreen
04-27-2011, 01:58 PM
Makes total sense to me. Context is everything.
IMO, all LE statements - actually even family statements - in every case - need to be considered in their full original context. Otherwise they get twisted in their meaning and they are used to support theories that, in original context, they would not support.
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Dragging the Thread. ;)
I would think many people realize "dragged" is slang for "having talked someone into going somewhere when they'd just as soon not go".
The expression is perhaps even more commonly used in the south - and I've heard it as "drug" rather than "dragged". i.e. "He drug me way to the woods to see that stupid dead animal".
I wish people would get off this point. LE publicly cleared it up - an it was plain they never were told that Holly was actually being dragged - rather than walking on her own towards the woods.
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Other Random Coffee Break Thoughts:
Now LE did say they believe Holly was in fear for her life when she was walking - and that her abductor had her arm. I haven't heard that statement in a while. I wonder if they're backing off of it in favor of now believing that Holly knew her abductor and may not have been in fear for her life.
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I have wondered if the abductor(s) could have a acquaintance type of relationship via the brother. Holly was acquainted with many people. I would say the first circles they check (after Holly's direct friends and school and nursing acquaintences) would be father, mother, brother's circles.
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IMO, they've not found Holly. She's not in a hospital, hiding in a coma, etc..
If LE believes she could still be alive, they must have a reason to think this way - i.e. they must know the perp and understand motive. Have we heard LE say that this is still a rescue effort? That's an important distinction for me. Yesterday, the press reported that when asked about Holly, LE talked about narrowing the investigation and developing POI's. They avoided the question about Holly.
Frankly, the LE quoted phrase that was most significant to me yesterday was "game-changer".
The TBI quoted phrase that was 2nd most significant to me yesterday was "people of interest".
The fact that was most significant to me yesterday was that Holly's mom & dad tried to make it out to thank searchers on Easter Sunday ... but emotionally couldn't do it.
The fact that was 2nd most significant to me yesterday was that LE found a significant piece of evidence in the area/neighborhood of Holly's school and a hands and knees search of the area followed that find.
At least, I think that's what the facts were. (Correct me if I've got this wrong.)
JMHO.
Ha How many times have I been "drug" (I know this is not proper English) somewhere I didn't want to go???
Litig8ter
04-27-2011, 01:58 PM
I am thinking like several others that she was located on Sunday morning. That explains why parents were in good spirits and wanted to thank everybody. Also, it is consistent with yesterday's radio statement. I suspect she is in good physical condition and is resting at home.
Here's where I am thinking out of the box: LE has one of their own that has replaced her as the "captive." They figure the perp will return by Thursday (3 days) and they can nab him then. If he doesn't return by Thursday, then the "sting" will be abandoned, public announcement made and they continue to try to figure out who it is based on DNA.
That would be consistent with LE statements in the last few days (other than the one denying that HB had been found).
Finally, I have enlarged the pic of the officer on Sunday placing something in an envelope. It looks too small to be a cell phone. Maybe a memory stick or a disposable lighter. That's not to say that a cell phone was not found; just that the picture was not that particular find.
JMO
s_finch
04-27-2011, 01:59 PM
I can't see this being the case at all. If they were on foot still and in the area someone somewhere would have seen them by now. I think everyone is on high alert looking for Holly, even subconsciously!
No offense Ellebelle, but have you even been out in the Tennessee countryside? It would be totally possible to stay hidden for quite some time.
greengreen
04-27-2011, 01:59 PM
yeah, but the transition has got to be coming soon. It's been two weeks, and public hope can't fight those stats for too long.
The way I see it, it can't stay a search and rescue for too much longer, in a realistic sense unless they have real evidence that Holly is alive. And if they do, then why are they letting public interest fall, unless they believe she is voluntarily missing, an idea which they dispelled early on?
~Sigh~ This one is highly confusing.
Guess you'll just have to wait and see.
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 02:00 PM
I've been trying to wrap my head around evidence being found near her college. Why would someone do that?
1). If you kidnapped someone at her home as she was about to get into her car and drive to her college, what possible reason would you have to drive to her college (with her in your car)? I can't think of a single reason to do that.
2). If you kidnapped someone at her home while she was about to leave for her college, and you dragged her into the words and harmed her there, why would you then drive to her college (without her in the car) and leave evidence there? If you aren't aware that you've been seen with the girl, you might do something like that in order to make LE question whether she had gone to the campus on her own...maybe with a friend or something, instead of driving.
3). If the girl wasn't in fact kidnapped, and went with the guy willingly, then a trip to the college might make more sense. Perhaps she left something at the college, or if he goes to the same college, perhaps he left something.
Just some random questions rattling around in my head this afternoon.
maybe you drove to college because you had class or work at the campus that day and you knew you'd better go to class as part of your alibi for the thing you just did, and, oh yeah, toss stuff out along the way?
that's not a happy thought but - the perp is in her circle - so someone from the college could be in that circle.
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 02:00 PM
from the family spokesperson........
Now that searchers have found an additional piece of evidence that they believe to be very integral to locating Bobo, things in the Decatur County, Tenn. community are looking up. “It makes you feel great — Easter Sunday and finding some good information,” Kevin Bromely, a representative for the Bobo family, told a local TV station. “Hopefully we can expand the search and find out more tomorrow.
”http://tasteofcountry.com/whitney-duncan-holly-bobo-clue/
curiousc
04-27-2011, 02:03 PM
I honestly think this perp is young and has not done this before. I don't think he is that smart and I think he thinks by leaving the evidence scattered around it is leading LE in different directions other than where Holly actually is.
However, I think LE knows who the perp is and is gathering evidence and want to find Holly. They are not releasing any info on possible POI's because they know he is still in town and thus the reason why they have a strong belief Holly is in a location around there too. And if they have questioned the possible perp, they may have an indication of what he does for work, where his hangouts are, etc. Has this person lawyered up? If so, I think that is a big indication of some sort of guilt.
I honestly don't think this case will go cold and I have a strong feeling that Holly will be found.
IMO
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 02:06 PM
The newest recap which might be useful to some...
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-week-wrap-up-rumors-dispelled-next-steps
greengreen
04-27-2011, 02:06 PM
I've been trying to wrap my head around evidence being found near her college. Why would someone do that?
1). If you kidnapped someone at her home as she was about to get into her car and drive to her college, what possible reason would you have to drive to her college (with her in your car)? I can't think of a single reason to do that.
2). If you kidnapped someone at her home while she was about to leave for her college, and you dragged her into the woods and harmed her there, why would you then drive to her college (without her in the car) and leave evidence there? If you aren't aware that you've been seen with the girl, you might do something like that in order to make LE question whether she had gone to the campus on her own...maybe with a friend or something, instead of driving.
3). If the girl wasn't in fact kidnapped, and went with the guy willingly, then a trip to the college might make more sense. Perhaps she left something at the college, or if he goes to the same college, perhaps he left something.
Just some random questions rattling around in my head this afternoon.
1) The campus is on the side of a major highway. If you headed north you had to pass it unless taking backroads the whole way. Or if you took backroads to the north then came out on the highway and traveled back on it.
2) You're assuming that she was harmed and that she was not in the car. We do not know that. I think you are putting too much emphasis on the college. It's right on the side of the road. People's houses are bigger than this college is.
3) Someone would have seen her at the college. Personnel would have already been there at that time. LE has already stated she did not go willingly.
bobsmi
04-27-2011, 02:08 PM
I'm in the same boat. Assuming what they found at 100 Eaton was her cell phone, do you also think that he ditched her cell phone there first before moving north and throwing her lunch box out of the window or do you still think that it's possible he went north first and then south.
If what they found was something other than her cell phone it makes a little less sense to happen that way but there are still other important things he would ditch before a lunch box in my mind. For instance he would want to get rid of the purse fast as well. If a man is stopped at a road block or pulled over for some reason and he has a women's purse while they're looking for an abductor, that's an immediate red flag where as a lunch box is what ever.
I am almost certain in my head that he went to Eaton St. first before proceeding north just due to the unimportance of a lunch box.
It is possible he allowed her to keep her purse. I would see that as a positive sign.
scorekeeper
04-27-2011, 02:10 PM
I am thinking like several others that she was located on Sunday morning. That explains why parents were in good spirits and wanted to thank everybody. Also, it is consistent with yesterday's radio statement. I suspect she is in good physical condition and is resting at home.
Here's where I am thinking out of the box: LE has one of their own that has replaced her as the "captive." They figure the perp will return by Thursday (3 days) and they can nab him then. If he doesn't return by Thursday, then the "sting" will be abandoned, public announcement made and they continue to try to figure out who it is based on DNA.
That would be consistent with LE statements in the last few days (other than the one denying that HB had been found).
Finally, I have enlarged the pic of the officer on Sunday placing something in an envelope. It looks too small to be a cell phone. Maybe a memory stick or a disposable lighter. That's not to say that a cell phone was not found; just that the picture was not that particular find.
JMO
Litig8ter,
Very interesting........makes you go hmmmmmmmm
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Mountain_Kat
04-27-2011, 02:13 PM
maybe you drove to college because you had class or work at the campus that day and you knew you'd better go to class as part of your alibi for the thing you just did, and, oh yeah, toss stuff out along the way?
that's not a happy thought but - the perp is in her circle - so someone from the college could be in that circle.
I could see that, Emma. I get the impression whoever took her is young, and not at all schooled at being a criminal. I wouldn't go so far as to say he's stupid, but I definitely think he's niave when it comes to police tactics.
And yes, I've always thought that he knows Holly either from college, church, through her brother or a cousin, something like that. In her "circle", but maybe just peripherally.
Carla Lashelle
04-27-2011, 02:13 PM
The article I just posted again states she was NOT found
Emma Peel
04-27-2011, 02:13 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-week-wrap-up-rumors-dispelled-next-steps
There have been online rumors that Holly has been found.
Helm said, “To my knowledge, Holly has not been found. We don’t have information indicating she is either alive or dead.”
Helm said Tuesday afternoon, “We have no new developments to report on today.
“TBI is still following leads on her [Holly’s] case.
“Volunteer search will continue if and when needed.
“A news release will be issued by TBI when we have new information to release," Helm said.
Thanks for posting this link. It seems these are today's quotes from TBI. Not seeing the quote from Helms above anywhere else yet...
not_my_kids
04-27-2011, 02:15 PM
I am thinking like several others that she was located on Sunday morning. That explains why parents were in good spirits and wanted to thank everybody. Also, it is consistent with yesterday's radio statement. I suspect she is in good physical condition and is resting at home.
Here's where I am thinking out of the box: LE has one of their own that has replaced her as the "captive." They figure the perp will return by Thursday (3 days) and they can nab him then. If he doesn't return by Thursday, then the "sting" will be abandoned, public announcement made and they continue to try to figure out who it is based on DNA.
That would be consistent with LE statements in the last few days (other than the one denying that HB had been found).
Finally, I have enlarged the pic of the officer on Sunday placing something in an envelope. It looks too small to be a cell phone. Maybe a memory stick or a disposable lighter. That's not to say that a cell phone was not found; just that the picture was not that particular find.
JMO
If Holly had been found Sunday, she would have been immediately transported to a hospital in order to protect any transferred or trace evidence from the abductor. She would not be resting quietly at home until after that visit. If she had been stashed by someone that would potentially leave her alone for three days at a time, she would likely be dehydrated and need multiple tests. (Think of it this way, essentially the only reason for an abduction like this is sexual motive. Testing would need to start immediately for pregnancy, STD's and infection from being in less than ideal conditions.) Even if LE had tried to cover that up, it would have broken. Someone would have seen her and talked.
Also, the liability risk here is astronomical. Imagine that people going out on their own search parties (which I'm sure there are some, even with the weather) got injured after she had been recovered and before LE said something. Or the backlash from allowing a dangerous predator to roam the community for days with no surveillance. LE isn't stupid, they know the risk of being sued, and anyone in a position of authority is acutely aware of that risk all the time.
This idea seems to surface with every high profile missing persons case, that they found the person and are hiding them out. It never happens, except for the rare case where the person has aged or changed so much that they need to verify identity through dental records and family identification.
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