View Full Version : TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #19
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
04-28-2011, 09:44 PM
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
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Rallihanna
04-28-2011, 09:45 PM
Was the FBI brought in recently or have they been involved from the beginning?
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-28-2011, 09:46 PM
Was the FBI brought in recently or have they been involved from the beginning?
They were involved from day one.
wfgodot
04-28-2011, 09:51 PM
The FBI is reported to have changed the wording from "dragged" to "led away" early on. But this ABC article from 04.24 appears to indicate they are either less involved, or not involved currently:
[TBI Director Gwyn] said investigators still believe Bobo is in the state, but the FBI would get involved if there was evidence to suggest otherwise.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-search-police-make-significant-find-hunt/story?id=13448569
norest4thewicked
04-28-2011, 09:52 PM
Does anyone know if the searches are off now permanently, or are they waiting for weather?
Rallihanna
04-28-2011, 09:53 PM
They were involved from day one.
Dumb question- what decides if they get involved or not? Just if LE asks?
DNeecie
04-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Dumb question- what decides if they get involved or not? Just if LE asks?
I was just wondering that myself. I thought the FBI got involved if there is evidence to the kidnapped being transported over state lines or in the case of a ransom.
YellowDog
04-28-2011, 09:56 PM
It's sad that they have called off the searchers. I wonder if their is some legal protocol as to how long a community search like that goes on before it is ended? I know people have jobs and families and cannot search forever, but it must be so hard on the family when they cut back on the searching. My heart goes out to them.
Rallihanna
04-28-2011, 09:58 PM
I was just wondering that myself. I thought the FBI got involved if there is evidence to the kidnapped being transported over state lines or in the case of a ransom.
That's what I thought too!
Jo in Calif
04-28-2011, 09:59 PM
Does anyone know if the searches are off now permanently, or are they waiting for weather?
I believe volunteers will be called in, as a need be basis.
I believe that LE is still very involved in searches.
wfgodot
04-28-2011, 10:01 PM
Here's a pretty handy guide to FBI involvement:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-108436.html
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:02 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo
KIDNAPPING
(copying from end of previous thread)
Carla Lashelle
04-28-2011, 10:04 PM
Kidnapping is a Federal crime so I would think some Federal agency would be involved.
STGSouth
04-28-2011, 10:04 PM
That's what I thought too!
It was unsual for them to brought in so early, but my opinion on this is that the local LE was known to the perp. I think they may be needed people that were more "outsiders" to come in and take a look at things. MOO
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-28-2011, 10:04 PM
FBI is not the lead agency on this case......there may be some evidence that their crime labs can analyze that TBI doesn't have the ability to do. Hair evidence for example, TBI doesn't have the ability to analyze hair evidence and that would be forwarded to the FBI labs.
Rallihanna
04-28-2011, 10:06 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo
KIDNAPPING
(copying from end of previous thread)
Got it- I didn't realize that they were brought in on kidnapping cases. Thanks!
cluciano63
04-28-2011, 10:07 PM
I think it would be more unusual in this case, with a witnessed abduction and some blood at scene, not to involve as many agencies as possible, as soon as possible. It is not often that a witness exists, usually there is a period of time before a person of this age would be known to be missing. But they pretty much knew they had something criminal right away, so why not get all the help they could, especially when she was not found right away?
STGSouth
04-28-2011, 10:10 PM
Got it- I didn't realize that they were brought in on kidnapping cases. Thanks!
But usually they only brought in on a kidnapping case when other issues are present as well.... ie crossing state lines or in the commision of another Federal crime. LE however can invite them in at any point in a case and they will usually comply. What seems so different in this situation is that local LE brought them in immediately!
wfgodot
04-28-2011, 10:13 PM
I imagine that the phone call that brought the FBI in was made by the TBI. Chain of command.
tfrohning
04-28-2011, 10:14 PM
@thanks for sharing Kristie Annette Moon. I added her to my notebook :0
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:16 PM
Okay, I'm just gonna ask, b/c I am not sure I know.
What is the difference between abduction and kidnapping?
Before I came to this forum, my answer would have been: a Ransom.
I just looked something up that says:
Kidnapping is the aggravated (for ransom or injury) false imprisonment of a person.
Read more: Children's Rights - Kidnapping And Abduction - Act, Sex, Passed, Public, Penalties, and Offenders http://law.jrank.org/pages/12083/Children-s-Rights-Kidnapping-abduction.html#ixzz1KsGPzHeF
The more I'm reading the less I see there is a difference between the 2...
Okay, there is this slight distinction:
Abduction - child goes willingly but against parents wishes.
Kidnapping - agrravated false imprisonment against will.
tomatoe/tomatah? :dunno:
does anyone know?
wfgodot
04-28-2011, 10:23 PM
Technically, the difference between the two can be seen in the etymology of the term "kidnapper": kid + napper, the latter an archaic usage now obsolete - a "napper" was originally a sheep stealer. And a kid is slang, of course, for a child. The term "kidnap" ought always to relate to the taking of a child. An abduction carries no such connotation.
mahmoo
04-28-2011, 10:24 PM
Okay, I'm just gonna ask, b/c I am not sure I know.
What is the difference between abduction and kidnapping?
Before I came to this forum, my answer would have been: a Ransom.
I just looked something up that says:
Read more: Children's Rights - Kidnapping And Abduction - Act, Sex, Passed, Public, Penalties, and Offenders http://law.jrank.org/pages/12083/Children-s-Rights-Kidnapping-abduction.html#ixzz1KsGPzHeF
The more I'm reading the less I see there is a difference between the 2...
Okay, there is this slight distinction:
Abduction - child goes willingly but against parents wishes.
Kidnapping - agrravated false imprisonment against will.
tomatoe/tomatah? :dunno:
does anyone know?
I'd never really thought about it til you brought it up lol. Personally, the words are synonymous to me.
Jo in Calif
04-28-2011, 10:26 PM
Okay, I'm just gonna ask, b/c I am not sure I know.
What is the difference between abduction and kidnapping?
Before I came to this forum, my answer would have been: a Ransom.
I just looked something up that says:
Read more: Children's Rights - Kidnapping And Abduction - Act, Sex, Passed, Public, Penalties, and Offenders http://law.jrank.org/pages/12083/Children-s-Rights-Kidnapping-abduction.html#ixzz1KsGPzHeF
The more I'm reading the less I see there is a difference between the 2...
Okay, there is this slight distinction:
Abduction - child goes willingly but against parents wishes.
Kidnapping - agrravated false imprisonment against will.
tomatoe/tomatah? :dunno:
does anyone know?
An abductor takes a victim for his own selfish purposes and tries to maintain a low or anonymous profile. A kidnapper eventually makes his abduction known, either to the media or strictly to the immediate family of his victim. He uses his captive as a bargaining tool, whereas the typical abductor keeps his captive as secret as possible.
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-28-2011, 10:31 PM
An abductor takes a victim for his own selfish purposes and tries to maintain a low or anonymous profile. A kidnapper eventually makes his abduction known, either to the media or strictly to the immediate family of his victim. He uses his captive as a bargaining tool, whereas the typical abductor keeps his captive as secret as possible.
That makes a lot of sense! Thank you!
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:33 PM
Technically, the difference between the two can be seen in the etymology of the term "kidnapper": kid + napper, the latter an archaic usage now obsolete - a "napper" was originally a sheep stealer. And a kid is slang, of course, for a child. The term "kidnap" ought always to relate to the taking of a child. An abduction carries no such connotation.
Adults get kidnapped, do they not? (for ransom & such?)
mahmoo
04-28-2011, 10:33 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
wfgodot
04-28-2011, 10:34 PM
Adults get kidnapped, do they not? (for ransom & such?)
Yes, the term grew from its original denotation to include other types of person-taking.
wfgodot
04-28-2011, 10:36 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
No. But I like happy surprises, and this case is just weird.
DNeecie
04-28-2011, 10:37 PM
FBI is not the lead agency on this case......there may be some evidence that their crime labs can analyze that TBI doesn't have the ability to do. Hair evidence for example, TBI doesn't have the ability to analyze hair evidence and that would be forwarded to the FBI labs.
Would the FBI take lead in this case if there was proof that she was taken across state lines/ransom or would TBI still be in charge? I know they would if they had a suspect who was already under federal investigation (I'm pretty sure anyway) but it would answer a lot of questions I have if the former is yes.
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:37 PM
Studying the FBI posters, it seems those labeled Kidnapping have some sort of witness to the abduction, that can describe the assailant...
at least that is what I'm noticing so far...
CHARLISA
04-28-2011, 10:38 PM
Adults get kidnapped, do they not? (for ransom & such?)
Kidnapping is the taking of a MINOR.
Abduction is minor or adult.
Also meant to say that abducton is by force deceitfully.
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:40 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
Odds say no. Community says yes.
I'm still hoping that small towns know best. :praying:
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-28-2011, 10:41 PM
Would the FBI take lead in this case if there was proof that she was taken across state lines/ransom or would TBI still be in charge? I know they would if they had a suspect who was already under federal investigation (I'm pretty sure anyway) but it would answer a lot of questions I have if the former is yes.
I believe that FBI would be lead agency if they had reason to believe Holly has been taken across state lines.
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:41 PM
Kidnapping is the taking of a MINOR.
Abduction is minor or adult.
Holly's not a minor.
I guess I'm asking legal terminology. B/C of the FBI poster.
So I might try to check out legal dictionaries...
tfrohning
04-28-2011, 10:42 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
I just don't know...I do think it someone that was stalking her. She could be alive...has days pass I fear the case going cold.
I hate to say this but the names of missing in surrounding counties has never been solved or found. :(
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-28-2011, 10:42 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
95percent chance Holly is not alive.....5 percent chance for a miracle and she's still alive. Just my unfortunate opinion.
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:44 PM
KIDNAPPING
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/kidnapping
The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or Fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time.
The law of kidnapping is difficult to define with precision because it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Most state and federal kidnapping statutes define the term kidnapping vaguely, and courts fill in the details.
Generally, kidnapping occurs when a person, without lawful authority, physically asports (i.e., moves) another person without that other person's consent, with the intent to use the abduction in connection with some other nefarious objective. Under the Model Penal Code (a set of exemplary criminal rules fashioned by the American Law Institute), kidnapping occurs when any person is unlawfully and non-consensually asported and held for certain purposes. These purposes include gaining a ransom or reward; facilitating the commission of a felony or a flight after the commission of a felony; terrorizing or inflicting bodily injury on the victim or a third person; and interfering with a governmental or political function (Model Penal Code § 212.1).
Kidnapping laws in the United States derive from the Common Law of kidnapping that was developed by courts in England. Originally, the crime of kidnapping was defined as the unlawful and non-consensual transportation of a person from one country to another. In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, states began to redefine kidnapping, most notably eliminating the requirement of interstate transport.
cluciano63
04-28-2011, 10:45 PM
I think LE likes to be cryptic these days. If they start saying things like "we found out some things we wish we didn't know" or "we think you'll be surprised"...i.e. MCSO, well then, I give up. I try not to read too much into what they say; everything seems to be a new and original way of saying as little as possible. And MCSO uttered those now infamous phrases some six months ago and still nothing...
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
04-28-2011, 10:45 PM
Kidnapping - to steal, carry off, or abduct by force or fraud, especially for use as a hostage or to extract ransom.
Abduction - the illegal carrying or enticing away of a person, especially by interfering with a relationship, as the taking of a child from its parent.
via dictionary.com
They can be interchangeable, and often are used that way. Let's not get caught up in the wording. :)
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:46 PM
ABDUCTION
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/abduction
The act of restraining another through the use or threat of Deadly Force or through fraudulent persuasion. The requisite restraint generally requires that the abductor intend to prevent the liberation of the abductee. Some states require that the abductee be a minor or that the abductor intend to subject the abductee to prostitution or illicit sexual activity.
Cross-references
Kidnapping.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
abduction n. the criminal taking away a person by persuasion (convincing someone--particularly a minor or a woman he/she is better off leaving with the persuader), by fraud (telling the person he/she is needed, or that the mother or father wants him/her to come with the abductor), or by open force or violence. Originally abduction applied only to protect women and children as victims. Currently in most states it can also apply to an adult male. In fact, in some states like New York abduction meant the unlawful taking or detention of any female for purposes of "marriage, concubinage or prostitution." Kidnapping is more limited, requiring force, threat of force of an adult or the taking of children. (See: kidnapping)
shefner
04-28-2011, 10:46 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
No. :(
Snowbunny
04-28-2011, 10:46 PM
I was searching the web for any info that I could find about Holly Bobo today and came across an article where there was another women close to where Holly Bobo lived that was grabbed by a tall skinny guy one early morning in January but she got away from him. Here's the link: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-22/news/29480794_1_tunnel-vision-nursing-student-authorities
It really makes you wonder if there is some guy down there grabbing girls at random.
maskedwoman
04-28-2011, 10:46 PM
Okay, I'm just gonna ask, b/c I am not sure I know.
What is the difference between abduction and kidnapping?
Before I came to this forum, my answer would have been: a Ransom.
That's an interesting question. I would have said the same as you.
Dr.Fessel
04-28-2011, 10:48 PM
Holly's not a minor.
I guess I'm asking legal terminology. B/C of the FBI poster.
So I might try to check out legal dictionaries...
You take an adult against their will it is kidnapping and that is what you are charged with.
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 10:48 PM
Kidnapping - to steal, carry off, or abduct by force or fraud, especially for use as a hostage or to extract ransom.
Abduction - the illegal carrying or enticing away of a person, especially by interfering with a relationship, as the taking of a child from its parent.
via dictionary.com
They can be interchangeable, and often are used that way. Let's not get caught up in the wording. :)
oh thanks SWMNBN.
You are right. We should not be caught up in the wording of abduction vs. kidnapping.
I was just trying to see the difference between FBI posters that say "Missing" vs. "Kidnapping"
I think I was running down the wrong track there.
I think it has to do with if the abduction/kidnapping was witnessed somehow.
On some FBI posters for kidnapping victims it says they've got video evidence. Other FBI posters for kidnappings, say the person was seen being taken...
tfrohning
04-28-2011, 10:49 PM
Another missing from Decatur
Virginia Anne Greene
Virginia Anne Greene has been missing since June 12, 2009. She was last seen walking from her residence on South No Pone Valley Road in Decatur, TN around 11:00 a.m.
Virginia is 19 years old, and is described as 5 feet 1 inches tall, 260 pounds, with brown hair and black eyes. Her family is in fear for her safety because she has bipolar disorder.
If you have any information on the whereabouts of Virginia Greene, please call the Meigs County Sheriff's Office at 423-334-5268
She might been mention in the article posted in the last thread. I must miss she was from Decatur.
oceanblueeyes
04-28-2011, 10:53 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
Imo, no, she is not alive and hasnt been alive for some time.
IMO
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-28-2011, 10:57 PM
Another missing from Decatur
Virginia Anne Greene
Virginia Anne Greene has been missing since June 12, 2009. She was last seen walking from her residence on South No Pone Valley Road in Decatur, TN around 11:00 a.m.
Virginia is 19 years old, and is described as 5 feet 1 inches tall, 260 pounds, with brown hair and black eyes. Her family is in fear for her safety because she has bipolar disorder.
If you have any information on the whereabouts of Virginia Greene, please call the Meigs County Sheriff's Office at 423-334-5268
She might been mention in the article posted in the last thread. I must miss she was from Decatur.
That's in Meigs county a few hundred miles away.....Holly disappeared in Decatur county, not the city of Decatur which is in Meigs county.......
DNeecie
04-28-2011, 11:01 PM
While researching my above question concerning FBI involvement, I came across this article.
Over 1,400 Missing Persons Cases Backlogged at FBI Crime Lab--August 9, 2010
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20013042-10391695.html
Dr.Fessel
04-28-2011, 11:02 PM
http://www.tennesseecriminallawyerblog.com/2007/09/tennessee_law_false_imprisonme.html
Tennessee Law - False Imprisonment and Kidnapping
Good Article. Might be why so much is being kept quiet.
Especially aggravated kidnapping is the most serious of the kidnapping offenses. It is considered to be a Class A felony. Especially aggravated kidnapping is false imprisonment plus:
• Accomplished with a deadly weapon or by display of any article used or fashioned to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a deadly weapon;
• Where the victim was under the age of thirteen at the time of the removal or confinement;
• Committed to hold the victim for ransom or reward, or as a shield or hostage; or
• Where the victim suffers serious bodily injury. Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-305 (2007)
STGSouth
04-28-2011, 11:03 PM
I am still strongly of the opinion that the perp did not originally use a car because he really didn't need one. I REALLY think he lived cose enough to Holly that he could get her into one area of the woods and out another area taking him right to some location he deemed to be safe. After looking into some people on my own, I do have a viable suspect in mind.....of course all of this is MOO!
oceanblueeyes
04-28-2011, 11:05 PM
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/abduction
When Brenda, Slade Greone and Mark McKenzie were found murdered the DA first charged Duncan with kidnapping x three..plus the three first degree murder charges.
He was asked why and he said because they were ail held against their will and were retrained unable to leave their own home. Therefore; they were kidnapped inside of their home.
So I guess it can depend on the state and what their laws state concerning kidnapping.
Abduction to me is the same thing as kidnapping. Taking someone either under false pretenses, coercion or forcefully removing them.
IMO
Mountain_Kat
04-28-2011, 11:09 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
My gut says she's alive. By brain says...different.
Snowbunny
04-28-2011, 11:09 PM
I get the distinct impression that this is a stranger abduction, not someone who is familiar with the family. To me they've got a serial killer down there. I also thought I heard there was another girl that someone tried to snatch a couple of weeks ago who lived 60 miles away and that girl also got away and I'm not talking about the girl in January.
dotnetnow
04-28-2011, 11:09 PM
Again lots of posts today... Someone asked a few posts back "alive or dead" opinion. Today I'm not feeling really good about things. Mostly because I've been subscribing to lots of things I read and intuit from local posters that they believe this is a local, that the LE and family have understood pretty clearly who it is but are somehow blocked from getting after him (lack of evidence, lawyer). They can't get to him without ruining their case and he was clever enough to obscure the evidence really well. This is all clearly My Opinion only.
Stuff I've been looking at today:
1) This post:
http://www.jacksonsun.com/videonetwork/903287890001/JS-Video-Sheriff-Wyatt-Kidnapping
I hadn't seen this before. It seems to be the 1st interview the local police gave about the case. It confirms that a neighbor heard screams and called 911. --I wasnt sure about this before because I had read that CB called mother then 911 and mother had called 911. I wasn't sure until I saw this about the neighbor calling 911. Not that it really matters.
2. This article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/16/us-tennessee-woman-missing-idUSTRE73F2C920110416
States >>"Law enforcement officers have said Bobo's white lunch box was found on a creek bed eight miles from her home."<<
I hadn't heard "creek bed" before. I had heard near a creek and had thought from the map it was near side of road. I dont know what I think about the new info. Its just new info.
3. I went back through looking for all "official statements" made by TBI or FBI. I didnt find any FBI, but did look through all these:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=015060491320469766247%3Adukuc6cs1yg&ie=UTF-8&q=holly+bobo
The only information I gleaned from that is that when the roadblocks were setup they encompassed all 5 major roads near the Bobo residence. I had relied on the map previously for this info and had made some speculation about direction of travel for the perp. This simply obfuscates my thinking further (no big).
4. Someone posted this awhile back:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/holly-bobo-inside-investigation-13398157
In looking at the video I noticed some of the footage was of two LE overlooking an object on the side of the road(not like images from easter find). I know it means nothing, but I decided to try to grab the image as a still and pop up the resolution a bit. I tried several ways/means of enhancing the image, but I really cant tell much (cant make pixels where they dont exist). Its really not important bc who knows if it turned out to be relevant. It just caught my eye bc they seemed to be awaiting someone to come and check it out.
Heres the image I cropped if anyone cares:
>>unidentifieditem.jpg<<
Again this item is NOTHING. Noone knows if it is connected in any way to this case.
I just wanted to try to see what it was. I still cant tell, but at first I thought maybe its the "crumpled papers" that are not linked to the case in any way by LE, or (and this is embarrassing) I thought maybe it was a brazirre (how u spell that?). I remember reading somewhere they had found a huge brazirre and just wondered how the heck that had gotten out there. The power of suggestion is strong in my subconscious I think!
Also I read from a certain blogger whose initials are boc and listened to an interview of this person on a radio show that gave me reason to re-consider some of the theories of a "local, hard to nail" perp.
>Hope Im not breaking the rules by using "boc" above. I was unsure so didnt post a link. I really dont want to get you riled up grandmaj<
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 11:09 PM
http://www.tennesseecriminallawyerblog.com/2007/09/tennessee_law_false_imprisonme.html
Tennessee Law - False Imprisonment and Kidnapping
Good Article. Might be why so much is being kept quiet.
Especially aggravated kidnapping is the most serious of the kidnapping offenses. It is considered to be a Class A felony. Especially aggravated kidnapping is false imprisonment plus:
• Accomplished with a deadly weapon or by display of any article used or fashioned to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a deadly weapon;
• Where the victim was under the age of thirteen at the time of the removal or confinement;
• Committed to hold the victim for ransom or reward, or as a shield or hostage; or
• Where the victim suffers serious bodily injury. Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-305 (2007)
Thanks, Doc.
Okay, talk to me like I'm a 3rd grader. Why do you think this would make them keep "more quiet" than "usual"?
:heart: Em
ensht
04-28-2011, 11:09 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
Sadly I think she's not been with us almost from the start. Talk of her leaving a trail or whatever else quickly ended and I think we've had a mentally ill perp toying with LE for weeks.
95percent chance Holly is not alive.....5 percent chance for a miracle and she's still alive. Just my unfortunate opinion.
That's about how I feel too. The problem is there is no chatter of anyone missing anywhere in the community...and I mean anywhere. Well at this stage someone would have to be with her and the fact that everyone seems to be mostly accounted for.....
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I never understood why my grandfather wouldn't watch the news as he got older. He said it just depressed him and was nothing good. Never knew what he meant until this case, and the one in NH hit home. Life is full of absolutely evil people.
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-28-2011, 11:09 PM
I am still strongly of the opinion that the perp did not originally use a car because he really didn't need one. I REALLY think he lived cose enough to Holly that he could get her into one area of the woods and out another area taking him right to some location he deemed to be safe. After looking into some people on my own, I do have a viable suspect in mind.....of course all of this is MOO!
A neighbor certainly would have the ability to observe Holly's daily routine. He would also know the woods around the Bobo's home. He also probably wouldn't have scared Holly when he initially approached her. I'm sure LE has thought of all this and is or has checked every neighbor out. Just my opinion, but I'm on board with the neighbor thing.
oceanblueeyes
04-28-2011, 11:12 PM
http://www.tennesseecriminallawyerblog.com/2007/09/tennessee_law_false_imprisonme.html
Tennessee Law - False Imprisonment and Kidnapping
Good Article. Might be why so much is being kept quiet.
Especially aggravated kidnapping is the most serious of the kidnapping offenses. It is considered to be a Class A felony. Especially aggravated kidnapping is false imprisonment plus:
• Accomplished with a deadly weapon or by display of any article used or fashioned to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a deadly weapon;
• Where the victim was under the age of thirteen at the time of the removal or confinement;
• Committed to hold the victim for ransom or reward, or as a shield or hostage; or
• Where the victim suffers serious bodily injury. Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-305 (2007)
Thanks.
I have no doubt if LE catches the person who did this they are going to charge them with kidnapping too. That enhances the penalty... for as you know.. if a person is murdered while the perp was committing another felony it will be used against them if the DA should seek the death penalty.
IMO
Emma Peel
04-28-2011, 11:12 PM
dotnet:
brassiere:giggle:
I can't tell what the heck that thing is either.
yup. scream timing is kinda critical, IMO.
you're adorable and you made a
:goodpost:
I'm curious - do you mean that you're thinking not a local perp anymore?
dotnetnow
04-28-2011, 11:21 PM
Again I feel uncomfortable about her condition because if its a "local/known" perp then there is noone able to look out for HB if she was sequestered someplace. It just doesn't feel good at this point is the bottom line, but Im going to try to find a positive place to think about this from.
I dont know if there's anything to the "power of communal though/prayer", but I dont see how it could hurt if everyone who can thinks positively for HB and if I could I'd get everyone in the world to pray/think positively about HB all at the same time!
Stolly
04-28-2011, 11:24 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
I'm not sure if I would be so quick to jump to the conclusion that she is not alive. The odds do point to that conclusion but this is, in my opinion, an exceptionally unique abduction.
From the "stake out" of the property and victim to the planned escape, it seems very extravagant.
I believe the perp would not drive around with the victims purse / lunch bag / cell phone in the vehicle if she were not alive. I believe the perp would leave them with or around the body (or dispose of them in proximity to the body).
Why hide the body, only to keep the belongings in the car to throw out the window while driving around? Is the perp going to drive around with the victim's purse in the vehicle, only to chance being pulled over and the purse checked?
The perp may have had the belongings because he didn't dump anything but the lunch bag yet.
I also believe that the perp isn't going to drive into Parsons with a dead body in the vehicle, the perp would leave the deceased back in the less populated north western area.
So, in my opinion, the victim was alive while her phone was tossed out the window on TN-69. It probably rang, the perp dug it out of the purse and tossed it out of panic. I also believe that the perp headed south after leaving the secluded roads of north west Decatur.
Hopefully this means that she is alive. It's just my opinion, there are some holes in it but it makes perfect sense to me.
Jo in Calif
04-28-2011, 11:26 PM
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Isn't this image of the duct tape?
This is in reply to dotnetnow's post.
Soul125
04-28-2011, 11:27 PM
Again lots of posts today... Someone asked a few posts back "alive or dead" opinion. Today I'm not feeling really good about things. Mostly because I've been subscribing to lots of things I read and intuit from local posters that they believe this is a local, that the LE and family have understood pretty clearly who it is but are somehow blocked from getting after him (lack of evidence, lawyer). They can't get to him without ruining their case and he was clever enough to obscure the evidence really well. This is all clearly My Opinion only.
Great post dot net. So you believe they have a good idea of who this person is and are having a difficult time getting to him. I guess that means you believe Holly is no longer with this person. As to the evidence left behind, a smart person wouldn't have left any evidence, which is what I don't understand at all.
oceanblueeyes
04-28-2011, 11:28 PM
Again lots of posts today... Someone asked a few posts back "alive or dead" opinion. Today I'm not feeling really good about things. Mostly because I've been subscribing to lots of things I read and intuit from local posters that they believe this is a local, that the LE and family have understood pretty clearly who it is but are somehow blocked from getting after him (lack of evidence, lawyer). They can't get to him without ruining their case and he was clever enough to obscure the evidence really well. This is all clearly My Opinion only.
Stuff I've been looking at today:
1) This post:
http://www.jacksonsun.com/videonetwork/903287890001/JS-Video-Sheriff-Wyatt-Kidnapping
I hadn't seen this before. It seems to be the 1st interview the local police gave about the case. It confirms that a neighbor heard screams and called 911. --I wasnt sure about this before because I had read that CB called mother then 911 and mother had called 911. I wasn't sure until I saw this about the neighbor calling 911. Not that it really matters.
2. This article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/16/us-tennessee-woman-missing-idUSTRE73F2C920110416
States >>"Law enforcement officers have said Bobo's white lunch box was found on a creek bed eight miles from her home."<<
I hadn't heard "creek bed" before. I had heard near a creek and had thought from the map it was near side of road. I don't know what I think about the new info. Its just new info.
3. I went back through looking for all "official statements" made by TBI or FBI. I didn't find any FBI, but did look through all these:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=015060491320469766247%3Adukuc6cs1yg&ie=UTF-8&q=holly+bobo
The only information I gleaned from that is that when the roadblocks were setup they encompassed all 5 major roads near the Bobo residence. I had relied on the map previously for this info and had made some speculation about direction of travel for the perp. This simply obfuscates my thinking further (no big).
4. Someone posted this awhile back:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/holly-bobo-inside-investigation-13398157
In looking at the video I noticed some of the footage was of two LE overlooking an object on the side of the road(not like images from easter find). I know it means nothing, but I decided to try to grab the image as a still and pop up the resolution a bit. I tried several ways/means of enhancing the image, but I really cant tell much (cant make pixels where they don't exist). Its really not important bc who knows if it turned out to be relevant. It just caught my eye bc they seemed to be awaiting someone to come and check it out.
Heres the image I cropped if anyone cares:
>>unidentifieditem.jpg<<
Again this item is NOTHING. Noone knows if it is connected in any way to this case.
I just wanted to try to see what it was. I still cant tell, but at first I thought maybe its the "crumpled papers" that are not linked to the case in any way by LE, or (and this is embarrassing) I thought maybe it was a brazirre (how u spell that?). I remember reading somewhere they had found a huge brazirre and just wondered how the heck that had gotten out there. The power of suggestion is strong in my subconscious I think!
Also I read from a certain blogger whose initials are boc and listened to an interview of this person on a radio show that gave me reason to re-consider some of the theories of a "local, hard to nail" perp.
>Hope Im not breaking the rules by using "boc" above. I was unsure so didn't post a link. I really don't want to get you riled up grandmaj<
Great sleuthing.
This part jumped out at me.
States >>"Law enforcement officers have said Bobo's white lunch box was found on a creek bed eight miles from her home."<<
I hadn't heard "creek bed" before. I had heard near a creek and had thought from the map it was near side of road. I don't know what I think about the new info. Its just new info.
Could the suspect be a loner? Someone who knew how to live in the woods? Could he have been in the woods around Holly's home....watching her and getting to know her routine?
I think he killed Holly and then took her lunch down by the creek bed and ate it. It makes me think he is an outdoorsman but may not be local but is familiar with the area (maybe hunted those woods before in the past with a local).
Could he have tossed Holly's body in the creek? I wonder if they have been searching the creek itself. Some creeks are swift and can move a body along pretty quickly on downstream.
Very interesting post.
IMO
dotnetnow
04-28-2011, 11:28 PM
Stolly I like the way you think!
nursebeeme
04-28-2011, 11:33 PM
Channel 4 News has learned the investigation into the disappearance of a woman last seen being led away from her Parsons home weeks ago is now drawing other cases of missing and slain women in the same area. http://www.wsmv.com/news/27708018/detail.html
LE is looking into other cases in the area that may be related
Heather Sullivan, 31, who lives only 45 minutes from the Parsons home where Holly was taken last week, said a 'tall skinny man' tried to grab her arm as she got out of the car at her home in January.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379321/Did-Holly-Bobos-kidnapper-strike-twice-Local-woman-says-skinny-man-tried-grab-too.html#ixzz1KsW9xjIb
earlier we heard of Heather Sullivan... please note her picture in this link... questions came about.. could these two cases be related
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From the start of this case I have considered the possibility of the "roaming predator"... that being said, in the first days of Holly's disappearance the name of robert william fisher was brought to my attention from a few other posters.
He is listed in the top ten fbi most wanted list:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten
When I first looked him up at the above link he was in the bottom row. Mind you there is no RANKING of the fbi most wanted list. There is also NO ALPHABETICAL ORDER. Taking all of this into consideration, when I looked him up early on in the last few weeks he was on the bottom row.
Today... after the fbi posted their flier and a facebook posting on Holly I looked him up again.. and now he is the first face you see! Is this a coincidence that he is now the first face you see when clicking the most wanted list???? As he (the several times I have searched him there in the past several weeks) has been on the bottom...number seven or eight
http://www.facebook.com/FBI
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who exactly is robert william fisher? he is a lot of things.. namely he is 6 feet tall with dark brown hair and 190 pounds. He is an avid outdoorsman with a medical background (respiratory therapist) and has been known to work in emergency services. He is known to change his identity and travel around. He travels. His car was found over 200 miles from his initial crime in a remote area.
Also.. the wife that he killed looks (strikingly to me) like Heather Sullivan and perhaps an age progressed Holly Bobo
http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/family-annihilator-robert-william-fisher/
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http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/72/38/Holly%2520Bobo%2520and%2520her%2520boyfriend%2520F acebook.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-search-day-7-new-search-tactics-tbi-update-photo&h=405&w=540&sz=55&tbnid=W65j2kyFH1lqqM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=132&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dholly%2Bbobo%2Bboyfriend%2Bpicture%26 tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=holly+bobo+boyfriend+picture&usg=__8bc1W7x16n3mpQwFq2cI6-DNU84=&sa=X&ei=jzC6TeyeM4ePtwe5p43QAQ&ved=0CB4Q9QEwAg
here is a picture of Holly's boyfriend.. which the brother claims looked like the person he saw out the window
and here below is another picture of RWF (he has same build)
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=25245
same hair color.. same build..
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just throwing this out there for thought and consideration now that the msm is reporting that they are considering past cases.
I consulted a mod before posting this information.
grandmaj
04-28-2011, 11:36 PM
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iluvmua
04-28-2011, 11:36 PM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
No, not alive
Stolly
04-28-2011, 11:38 PM
I have a quick question for Sleuthers-
Can anyone find out about the victim's father's business? I've seen it as "Bobo's Timber Service, Darden, TN." But I am unable to find anything else on it, not even a phone number which leads me to believe that this is not the correct name.
Landscaping and tree services tend to have a high turnover of younger individuals as far as employment goes. Many people work in the field as a summer job, it's certainly seasonal employment.
Also, a question about the Bobo's property care came up earlier, along the lines of "Did they have a gardener?" If I owned a tree service, I would probably have my employees work on my property during downtime. Maybe trim trees, reclaim some yard, or make a trail. That introduces employees to the property. A worker may have met the victim, and, seeing as the Bobo's have a pool in the back yard, they may have had contact with the victim in a bikini or sunning herself. The seed of obsession could have been planted.
I digress and perhaps reached too far, but this is an interesting theory and the family business could be a component in the abduction.
dotnetnow
04-28-2011, 11:40 PM
Soul125 and OceanBlueEyes thanks. No I dunno about the "loner" angle, but its certainly possible. I think its more probable a local.
As far as Soul125 comments. Well all I can say is my gut tells me if I was able to sit down and have a frank and honest discussion with a few people in the town that I would very quickly be convinced that "this is a local, he's really hard to get after by normal means(grab and interrogate), and the case is really strange.
If that's not the case then things look grim in my mind, well they look grim either way, but again I like the way Stolly puts it, and that is very near to how I had been thinking before my last posting (and still may be).
Laddsy
04-28-2011, 11:41 PM
Good sleuthing nursebeeme. I'm impressed!!!
How far is where he lived to Holly's place? Would he know this area?
redfish
04-28-2011, 11:48 PM
Thank you Nurse.
Not arguing with anyone here but in defense of theory several of us here: She CAN be held in plain sight. Meaning the perp maybe able to continue with his daily life in a small community AND be caring for her as well. This has been done by several kidnappers successfully in the "not-so-distant" past. Examples being Shawn Hornbeck's kidnapper, Jaycee's kidnapper, Elizabeth Smart's kidnapper.... need I go on? After a time these victs were conditioned enough to even appear in public! If this guy prepared well and was determined to keep her it could be quite a long time before we saw her again. I hope LE is looking closely at everyone around her and not giving ANYONE the benefit of doubt... I have learned the hard way that often it is the one we trust that will betray us. Hate to be cynical but....
(I don't rule out the wanted guy though!!! He has been my pick for awhile.)
Kimster
04-28-2011, 11:49 PM
I was just reading some moderation notes on this thread and I'll tell you what, either everyone starts paying attention to their posts or I'm going to come in here with my ray gun and quite a few of you guys are going to lose your posting privileges for a time.
This post has nothing to do with the one above it or below it. I'm talking about all the warnings that your mods have been making all day and the many many posts that had to be removed this past week.
Pay attention to the rules peeps. I'm telling the mods to stop working so hard and let admin handle it next time.
Thank this post so I know someone out there is paying attention please.
nursebeeme
04-28-2011, 11:56 PM
Good sleuthing nursebeeme. I'm impressed!!!
How far is where he lived to Holly's place? Would he know this area?
he has known ties (links I posted) to AZ and LA.. however.. after his crime his car was found 200 miles away. He is a mover.. no one knows where he is and he is known to change his identitiy. It is very possible imhoo that this guy could try to blend into any remote area and take up work. His work is in the health care industry.
dotnetnow
04-28-2011, 11:58 PM
Isn't this image of the duct tape?
This is in reply to dotnetnow's post.
Jo in Calif...I have no context for that item??? Doesn't look like duct tape, but doesn't look like much of anything to me unfortunately. I was curious to see what others might think it looked like.
nursebeeme
04-29-2011, 12:00 AM
Thank you Nurse.
Not arguing with anyone here but in defense of theory several of us here: She CAN be held in plain sight. Meaning the perp maybe able to continue with his daily life in a small community AND be caring for her as well. This has been done by several kidnappers successfully in the "not-so-distant" past. Examples being Shawn Hornbeck's kidnapper, Jaycee's kidnapper, Elizabeth Smart's kidnapper.... need I go on? After a time these victs were conditioned enough to even appear in public! If this guy prepared well and was determined to keep her it could be quite a long time before we saw her again. I hope LE is looking closely at everyone around her and not giving ANYONE the benefit of doubt... I have learned the hard way that often it is the one we trust that will betray us. Hate to be cynical but....
(I don't rule out the wanted guy though!!! He has been my pick for awhile.) this guy has been on the run for awhile and likely embedded himself somewhere... could it be this area? That is what I am wondering..
and no... (just in case anyone wonders) I do not have tunnel vision on him. However with that being said.. after clicking day after day during Holly's case on the most wanted list and seeing him down at the bottom to TODAY....same day as the fbi facebook posting and the msm article... see him front and center.. yeah.. I have questions..
like: is there a method to this most wanted list? are the pictures rotated on a regular basis? because they sure as heck are not alphabetical!
Ransom
04-29-2011, 12:00 AM
At this point.....what's everybody thinking? She's still alive or no?
No. She's not alive, IMO. :(
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 12:00 AM
I was just reading some moderation notes on this thread and I'll tell you what, either everyone starts paying attention to their posts or I'm going to come in here with my ray gun and quite a few of you guys are going to lose your posting privileges for a time.
This post has nothing to do with the one above it or below it. I'm talking about all the warnings that your mods have been making all day and the many many posts that had to be removed this past week.
Pay attention to the rules peeps. I'm telling the mods to stop working so hard and let admin handle it next time.
Thank this post so I know someone out there is paying attention please.
:tyou:
emma b. good
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 12:03 AM
he has known ties (links I posted) to AZ and LA.. however.. after his crime his car was found 200 miles away. He is a mover.. no one knows where he is and he is known to change his identitiy. It is very possible imhoo that this guy could try to blend into any remote area and take up work. His work is in the health care industry.
nursebeeme,
If he killed his family 10 years ago and has been on the run ever since ... why do you think he's the type that would go after Holly? Even if he knew her - motive would be what? Do you think she found out about him or something? Or is he a suspect on similar abductions?
Jo in Calif
04-29-2011, 12:07 AM
Jo in Calif...I have no context for that item??? Doesn't look like duct tape, but doesn't look like much of anything to me unfortunately. I was curious to see what others might think it looked like.
I know the image of the duct tape has been posted, I have no idea how to find it, but I bet someone on here does.
I remember it being on a brown, bark or leafy spot, with the bright green grass beside it.
Paulette
04-29-2011, 12:08 AM
Nurse, did you notice on AMW's website "possible locations" for RWF. Grand Isle, LA. Not too far away from Tennessee.
Pugnolia
04-29-2011, 12:10 AM
I have changed my position today, from alive to not alive.
I held out that it was a known-to-her obsessed stalker, one who 'got in over his head' during the abduction and its aftermath, and who secreted her away to some cabin somewhere, with intent to ???
Now I feel, with so many days gone by, with the 'suspension' (per LE) of all volunteers until further call, and LE's conflicting and confusing statements and lack of information to the public, that the 'rush' of rescue has diminished.
Just a feeling, at least for tonight.
Tomorrow??? :confused:
asbdesigns
04-29-2011, 12:11 AM
nursebeeme,
If he killed his family 10 years ago and has been on the run ever since ... why do you think he's the type that would go after Holly? Even if he knew her - motive would be what? Do you think she found out about him or something? Or is he a suspect on similar abductions?
I live in AZ and I remember when it all happened. I really don't think he's the type who would abduct someone. While he may have the right qualifications (hunting, outdoorsman, etc), I see him as more of a loner, who was trying to escape his life and marriage. It was such a tragedy and I'll never look at my hot water heater the same again (he tampered with his, which blew up his home). Just my two cents...
not_my_kids
04-29-2011, 12:15 AM
Haven't been able to read the whole thread. Has this been posted yet?
Investigators are considering cases involving at least four women who were abducted back to 1980.
In 1980, two teenage girls walked to a store in Dover. They bought their items, began the one-mile walk home and were not seen again.
Six weeks later, 14-year-old Carla Atkins and 16-year-old Vicky Stout were found dead. They had been executed in a remote area of Land Between the Lakes.
Thirty years later, the crime is still unsolved. Abner Vires was the deputy who found the bodies. Now retired, 73-year-old Vires still can't let it go.
"I feel like I had a job at that time to do," he said. "It was just one of them things that stayed on my mind and just couldn't get it gone."
In Dickson County in 1987, 18-year-old Leanne Greene and her brother ran out of gas. Her brother jogged to a gas station. He returned 8 1/2 minutes later to find his sister gone. She's still missing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42807764/ns/local_news-nashville_tn/
Some Beach
04-29-2011, 12:15 AM
I guess I'll give this another try. I am new here - please be patient with me.
Last fall, I moved to Tennessee from a town way north of Chicago. I currently live in a town just north of Parsons. I go to Decatur to pay my water bill. It is VERY, VERY rural out here. Up until two weeks ago, the only thing I was fearful of encountering out here was snakes.
I've been thinking that I don't have a clue what's lurking on my 5 1/2 acres. Yes indeed, somebody could be living in my little forest or have dumped a body, and I WOULDN'T HAVE A CLUE! The terrain here, coupled with the recent storms (BAD STORMS) - it doesn't surprise me at all that they've called off the volunteer searches. I'm not at all certain that you can read anything else into it at this point.
Now, my "sleuthing questions"...It's bothered me that Holly was still carrying her lunch bag/box into the woods with her. WHAT IF she was getting ready to get into the car, and a man approached her from the woods with blood on his hands, telling her that his friend was hurt - possibly a hunting accident. Being a nursing student, I am sure Holly has a very warm and caring heart and would want to help. IF she had her cell phone and possibly some medical supplies in that same Lunch bag/box, it would make sense for her to be carrying it with her. In fact, that's the ONLY reason it would make sense to me.
Second question - It seems that the initial volunteer searches began many miles from the Bobo home, and didn't search the immediate vicinity of the home until the last couple days of the search. Is that correct? If so, WHY?
Also - just to put this out there...Since I've been here, I haven't heard anything about corrupt law enforcement officials, out of control drugs in that area, uppity people thinking they're above the law, etc. That doesn't mean those things don't exist, just that I've never heard anything at all like that. The people down here are pretty much represented by the people you see on their hands and knees searching.
That's about it for now - thank you for having me!
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 12:16 AM
I live in AZ and I remember when it all happened. I really don't think he's the type who would abduct someone. While he may have the right qualifications (hunting, outdoorsman, etc), I see him as more of a loner, who was trying to escape his life and marriage. It was such a tragedy and I'll never look at my hot water heater the same again (he tampered with his, which blew up his home). Just my two cents...
Thanks asbdesigns.
Wow.
Bad, bad guy.
I can think of a more efficient (and less selfish) way to escape your life and marriage.
Paulette
04-29-2011, 12:17 AM
I live in AZ and I remember when it all happened. I really don't think he's the type who would abduct someone. While he may have the right qualifications (hunting, outdoorsman, etc), I see him as more of a loner, who was trying to escape his life and marriage. It was such a tragedy and I'll never look at my hot water heater the same again (he tampered with his, which blew up his home). Just my two cents...
Even loners have physical needs - he obviously has a madhatter in the attic, but since he hasn't been caught we can't say what direction he would take at this point in his life.
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 12:18 AM
If the abductor wanted to keep LE looking local while he took Holly out of the area to do whatever he did to her, he did a good job of that by scattering her belongings in and around town.
I just can't help feeling he got out of the area fairly quickly, probably as the search parties were just gathering, and that if Holly is not alive, she was abandoned someplace miles away from Parsons.
All of those other TN cases are depressing; many are never found, it seems.
asbdesigns
04-29-2011, 12:19 AM
Even loners have physical needs - he obviously has a madhatter in the attic, but since he hasn't been caught we can't say what direction he would take at this point in his life.
No doubt. I just think that if he's gotten away with murdering his entire family for this long, why would he take the risk of kidnapping someone for sex? There are other ways to get it... MOO. But, then, I'm thinking like a normal person and not a murderer...sigh...
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 12:23 AM
I guess I'll give this another try. I am new here - please be patient with me.
Last fall, I moved to Tennessee from a town way north of Chicago. I currently live in a town just north of Parsons. I go to Decatur to pay my water bill. It is VERY, VERY rural out here. Up until two weeks ago, the only thing I was fearful of encountering out here was snakes.
I've been thinking that I don't have a clue what's lurking on my 5 1/2 acres. Yes indeed, somebody could be living in my little forest or have dumped a body, and I WOULDN'T HAVE A CLUE! The terrain here, coupled with the recent storms (BAD STORMS) - it doesn't surprise me at all that they've called off the volunteer searches. I'm not at all certain that you can read anything else into it at this point.
Now, my "sleuthing questions"...It's bothered me that Holly was still carrying her lunch bag/box into the woods with her. WHAT IF she was getting ready to get into the car, and a man approached her from the woods with blood on his hands, telling her that his friend was hurt - possibly a hunting accident. Being a nursing student, I am sure Holly has a very warm and caring heart and would want to help. IF she had her cell phone and possibly some medical supplies in that same Lunch bag/box, it would make sense for her to be carrying it with her. In fact, that's the ONLY reason it would make sense to me.
Second question - It seems that the initial volunteer searches began many miles from the Bobo home, and didn't search the immediate vicinity of the home until the last couple days of the search. Is that correct? If so, WHY?
Also - just to put this out there...Since I've been here, I haven't heard anything about corrupt law enforcement officials, out of control drugs in that area, uppity people thinking they're above the law, etc. That doesn't mean those things don't exist, just that I've never heard anything at all like that. The people down here are pretty much represented by the people you see on their hands and knees searching.
That's about it for now - thank you for having me!
:wagon:
Thanks for posting HappyBonnie!
The cell phone has always troubled me b/c I am certain her family called it a million times & probably before they called 911.
If it was tossed close to town ... <Easter Find> ... I can't help thinking that is where the get-a-way vehicle was when her mama was calling her trying to see where she was...
I don't know if they could have found that location to search via cell pings...but ...
The lunch box in a creek - I am still thinking about that. I like to think she may have walked into the woods under duress via the creek, and she was smart enough to drop it.
:cow:
& welcome aboard!
hope you are enjoying your new home... BE SAFE!
nursebeeme
04-29-2011, 12:25 AM
nursebeeme,
If he killed his family 10 years ago and has been on the run ever since ... why do you think he's the type that would go after Holly? Even if he knew her - motive would be what? Do you think she found out about him or something? Or is he a suspect on similar abductions?
are you asking for my speculation? because that is all I could give. the facts I gave in my earlier post
((((caveat: I am not sure it is him... I am so skeered to extrapolate further and make this into something it is NOT.. but after the msm article today I just had to give some voice to my concerns on the possibility of a "roaming perp" even if they have embeded themselves for awhile in the community))))
dotnetnow
04-29-2011, 12:25 AM
I know the image of the duct tape has been posted, I have no idea how to find it, but I bet someone on here does.
I remember it being on a brown, bark or leafy spot, with the bright green grass beside it.
I think you're right...>imagecomparision.jpg<
Thanks that gives me a much better and more interresting picture to look at.
BTW...you find some strange stuff when you go around on the internet searching for pictures of "duct tape"
>ducttapechild.jpg<
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 12:28 AM
are you asking for my speculation? because that is all I could give. the facts I gave in my earlier post
((((caveat: I am not sure it is him... I am so skeered to extrapolate further and make this into something it is NOT.. but after the msm article today I just had to give some voice to my concerns on the possibility of a "roaming perp" even if they have embeded themselves for awhile in the community))))
lol, no, I thought maybe you had more on him...like a trail of other coincidences they linked him to... he's an evil dude, nursie. Maybe it's just time for him to be on the top of the list. Osama's got him beat, though. Maybe...
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 12:31 AM
nursie - Just remembered they have forensic back now. Have put anything they've got through data bases. gosh. I just thought of that relative to both of them being at the top of the most wanteds. It is a little spooky, that.
nursebeeme
04-29-2011, 12:31 AM
lol, no, I thought maybe you had more on him...like a trail of other coincidences they linked him to... he's an evil dude, nursie. Maybe it's just time for him to be on the top of the list. Osama's got him beat, though. Maybe...
on the same day the fbi posted their flier/facebook post?
coinciedence he moved from the bottom row to top face?
(((guess I have been looking at the list for too many days but it just changed today... most likely means nothing))))
and yes he is a BAAAAD MAAAAN!
nursebeeme
04-29-2011, 12:33 AM
nursie - Just remembered they have forensic back now. Have put anything they've got through data bases. gosh. I just thought of that relative to both of them being at the top of the most wanteds. It is a little spooky, that.
me too Peely! why????
I am sure if I "ask" I will be given a canned answer so not even worth it...
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 12:33 AM
I also wonder if her cell was on silent or vibe if she was able to get any messages off to family surrepticiously...
nursebeeme
04-29-2011, 12:35 AM
just a little aside question:
what if print marks matched this absconded fbi most wanted guy and they haven't been able to find him for 10 years...
would they:
1)put out the public warning
or
2)move him to the top spot on the list and make a facebook posting and flier?
3)both
Stolly
04-29-2011, 12:36 AM
WHAT IF she was getting ready to get into the car, and a man approached her from the woods with blood on his hands, telling her that his friend was hurt - possibly a hunting accident. Being a nursing student, I am sure Holly has a very warm and caring heart and would want to help. IF she had her cell phone and possibly some medical supplies in that same Lunch bag/box, it would make sense for her to be carrying it with her. In fact, that's the ONLY reason it would make sense to me.
Quote reduced by me.
Hello HappyBonnie!!!
Great point about the lunch box. I think it is a major part, and one of the reasons I think she has a chance, despite being small, of being alive. But let me think about your comment, then come back to my other thought.
A hunting accident would certainly draw her attention. Also the "hunter" could say that they already have called the paramedics and they are on the way, they just need someone to help walk the person out of the woods. She wouldn't have an urge to immediately call about it, and she would probably ask where the person was, and go and try to help. The major issue I see with this thought is the brother. I think if this scenario were to happen, she would have called to the brother for help too, and not simply run off by herself.
Now back to a thought on the lunch box. If the perp planned on killing her right away, I would image that he wouldn't let her carry things like that into the woods with her. Her car is at the house, the brother knows she didn't leave for school, and she wouldn't be answering her cell phone, its not as if the perp is trying to make it look like she ran away. If he planned to kill her he probably would have had her leave the bags at the car.
Instead, the perp let her carry all of her things into the woods, almost as if to make her as comfortable as possible, and giving her the opportunity to drop things along the way.
AmandaReckonwith
04-29-2011, 12:39 AM
Again lots of posts today... Someone asked a few posts back "alive or dead" opinion. Today I'm not feeling really good about things. Mostly because I've been subscribing to lots of things I read and intuit from local posters that they believe this is a local, that the LE and family have understood pretty clearly who it is but are somehow blocked from getting after him (lack of evidence, lawyer). They can't get to him without ruining their case and he was clever enough to obscure the evidence really well. This is all clearly My Opinion only.
Stuff I've been looking at today:
1) This post:
http://www.jacksonsun.com/videonetwork/903287890001/JS-Video-Sheriff-Wyatt-Kidnapping
I hadn't seen this before. It seems to be the 1st interview the local police gave about the case. It confirms that a neighbor heard screams and called 911. --I wasnt sure about this before because I had read that CB called mother then 911 and mother had called 911. I wasn't sure until I saw this about the neighbor calling 911. Not that it really matters.
2. This article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/16/us-tennessee-woman-missing-idUSTRE73F2C920110416
States >>"Law enforcement officers have said Bobo's white lunch box was found on a creek bed eight miles from her home."<<
I hadn't heard "creek bed" before. I had heard near a creek and had thought from the map it was near side of road. I dont know what I think about the new info. Its just new info.
3. I went back through looking for all "official statements" made by TBI or FBI. I didnt find any FBI, but did look through all these:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=015060491320469766247%3Adukuc6cs1yg&ie=UTF-8&q=holly+bobo
The only information I gleaned from that is that when the roadblocks were setup they encompassed all 5 major roads near the Bobo residence. I had relied on the map previously for this info and had made some speculation about direction of travel for the perp. This simply obfuscates my thinking further (no big).
4. Someone posted this awhile back:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/holly-bobo-inside-investigation-13398157
In looking at the video I noticed some of the footage was of two LE overlooking an object on the side of the road(not like images from easter find). I know it means nothing, but I decided to try to grab the image as a still and pop up the resolution a bit. I tried several ways/means of enhancing the image, but I really cant tell much (cant make pixels where they dont exist). Its really not important bc who knows if it turned out to be relevant. It just caught my eye bc they seemed to be awaiting someone to come and check it out.
Heres the image I cropped if anyone cares:
>>unidentifieditem.jpg<<
Again this item is NOTHING. Noone knows if it is connected in any way to this case.
I just wanted to try to see what it was. I still cant tell, but at first I thought maybe its the "crumpled papers" that are not linked to the case in any way by LE, or (and this is embarrassing) I thought maybe it was a brazirre (how u spell that?). I remember reading somewhere they had found a huge brazirre and just wondered how the heck that had gotten out there. The power of suggestion is strong in my subconscious I think!
Also I read from a certain blogger whose initials are boc and listened to an interview of this person on a radio show that gave me reason to re-consider some of the theories of a "local, hard to nail" perp.
>Hope Im not breaking the rules by using "boc" above. I was unsure so didnt post a link. I really dont want to get you riled up grandmaj<
Is this the same thing you mean? It is the duct tape with blonde hairs we never heard more about.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/HollyBoboSearch_DuctTapeWithHairFound1.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/ducttape1.jpg
redfish
04-29-2011, 12:39 AM
nursie - Just remembered they have forensic back now. Have put anything they've got through data bases. gosh. I just thought of that relative to both of them being at the top of the most wanteds. It is a little spooky, that.
Emma, I, too (nurse), hate the chance of starting a rumor but I have wanted to discuss him for a week. EX-military, do they have dna or blood type on file? I have been wondering if/when LE will discuss any forensics. This guy was at one time stationed near there wasn't he? That would have made him aware of the remoteness and the ability to "disappear" there.
5150_bound
04-29-2011, 12:42 AM
I have a quick question for Sleuthers-
Can anyone find out about the victim's father's business? I've seen it as "Bobo's Timber Service, Darden, TN." But I am unable to find anything else on it, not even a phone number which leads me to believe that this is not the correct name.
Landscaping and tree services tend to have a high turnover of younger individuals as far as employment goes. Many people work in the field as a summer job, it's certainly seasonal employment.
Also, a question about the Bobo's property care came up earlier, along the lines of "Did they have a gardener?" If I owned a tree service, I would probably have my employees work on my property during downtime. Maybe trim trees, reclaim some yard, or make a trail. That introduces employees to the property. A worker may have met the victim, and, seeing as the Bobo's have a pool in the back yard, they may have had contact with the victim in a bikini or sunning herself. The seed of obsession could have been planted.
I digress and perhaps reached too far, but this is an interesting theory and the family business could be a component in the abduction.
i've long thought this- about a co worker of dads. it's got to be someone that knew the family's schedule & knew the area.
i still think Holly is alive & is being kept in a house or underground bunker very close to her house. the abductor wanted Holly for himself. if he just wanted to assault & kill her, they would have found her body by now.
If Sarah Maynard (ohio) had not been found by LE- i shutter to think she would still be in Matthew Hoffman's basement.
TxJan1971
04-29-2011, 12:46 AM
Emma, I, too (nurse), hate the chance of starting a rumor but I have wanted to discuss him for a week. EX-military, do they have dna or blood type on file? I have been wondering if/when LE will discuss any forensics. This guy was at one time stationed near there wasn't he? That would have made him aware of the remoteness and the ability to "disappear" there.
If this guy has a medical background (i.e. respiratory therapist), could he have possibly secured a position at a nearby medical facility where he could have had an encounter (either voluntary or involuntary) with Holly (a nursing student) and this set his plan into motion?
Just a thought....
dotnetnow
04-29-2011, 12:47 AM
Yes Amandareconwith lol I found the same thing and posted it a few back there... thanks though.
redsky
04-29-2011, 12:48 AM
are you asking for my speculation? because that is all I could give. the facts I gave in my earlier post
((((caveat: I am not sure it is him... I am so skeered to extrapolate further and make this into something it is NOT.. but after the msm article today I just had to give some voice to my concerns on the possibility of a "roaming perp" even if they have embeded themselves for awhile in the community))))
The MO seems different in the idea of crime of opportunity verses an organized killer. Thanks for finding the information. I could be completely wrong.
The older murders they are looking into - seem very different than this case. Whoever did this, planned it and was organized. Also that would be a long time to cease killing. Wonder why that would be for him?
Unfortunately - I do not believe she is alive and have thought that for a while.
dotnetnow
04-29-2011, 12:51 AM
I know the image of the duct tape has been posted, I have no idea how to find it, but I bet someone on here does.
I remember it being on a brown, bark or leafy spot, with the bright green grass beside it.
Is this the same thing you mean? It is the duct tape with blonde hairs we never heard more about.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/HollyBoboSearch_DuctTapeWithHairFound1.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/ducttape1.jpg
But since I found that (and you did too) Ive been wondering what is that at the end of the duct tape? It almost looks like the tape is attached to something or coming out of something like a white plastic cup or ??
redfish
04-29-2011, 12:55 AM
If this guy has a medical background (i.e. respiratory therapist), could he have possibly secured a position at a nearby medical facility where he could have had an encounter (either voluntary or involuntary) with Holly (a nursing student) and this set his plan into motion?
Just a thought....
He could have new credentials I suppose but working in a hospital or with EMS he would need proper licensing.... maybe he attends/attended school locally to obtain the needed accredidation in his "new" name? IDK sounds far fetched I know! Just running it thru my mind. Nothing I KNOW ties him to this or this community.
redfish
04-29-2011, 12:57 AM
But since I found that (and you did too) Ive been wondering what is that at the end of the duct tape? It almost looks like the tape is attached to something or coming out of something like a white plastic cup or ??
Is that the end of the roll?????? it does look like it is attached to something.
Editted to add: My duct tape always has a cardboard core!
Some Beach
04-29-2011, 01:00 AM
Quote reduced by me.
Now back to a thought on the lunch box. If the perp planned on killing her right away, I would image that he wouldn't let her carry things like that into the woods with her. Her car is at the house, the brother knows she didn't leave for school, and she wouldn't be answering her cell phone, its not as if the perp is trying to make it look like she ran away. If he planned to kill her he probably would have had her leave the bags at the car.
Instead, the perp let her carry all of her things into the woods, almost as if to make her as comfortable as possible, and giving her the opportunity to drop things along the way.
Gosh, I was thinking just the opposite...If the perp had made her leave her things behind, people would know right away something wasn't right. If instead, she brought the things with her, people might have thought she had gotten a ride with somebody else, or had taken off voluntarily with a friend.
:confused:
krista
04-29-2011, 01:12 AM
Is that the end of the roll?????? it does look like it is attached to something.
Editted to add: My duct tape always has a cardboard core!
I'm pretty sure it's the sticky side of the tape roll, it's always either silver or white, depending on the brand of duct tape. Looks white here.
dotnetnow
04-29-2011, 01:15 AM
I dont think its the core. At first I thought that, but it appears to be wider than the tape. When I blow it up it really resembles a paper coffee cup because it seems to taper. It has an irregular pattern at the top as if the tape were pushed down into the cup inside something else (like piece of plastic).
I have a problem with all this as the tape would likely stick to anything it was pushed inside unless parts of it had something else adhered to it...
its just fun to sleuth is all.
Capri
04-29-2011, 01:17 AM
Imo, no, she is not alive and hasnt been alive for some time.
IMO
Sadly, I agree
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 01:21 AM
If he is keeping her alive, then this may lead to a murder-suicide if he feels threatened or cornered.
If the DNA matched someone on FBI wanted list, I think LE would be irresponsible not to put out some sort of a bulletin, as this would mean the person is dangerous to anyone he encounters.
Dr.Fessel
04-29-2011, 01:25 AM
Thanks, Doc.
Okay, talk to me like I'm a 3rd grader. Why do you think this would make them keep "more quiet" than "usual"?
:heart: Em
Sorry I posted and ran Lady.
If they say it was her blood or brother saw a gun or anything like that then reporters would be speculating on the charges which might scare him into doing something.
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 01:31 AM
Sorry I posted and ran Lady.
If they say it was her blood or brother saw a gun or anything like that then reporters would be speculating on the charges which might scare him into doing something.
hmmmm...
I guess I was figuring that 14 days in and of itself = especially aggravating kidnapping.
So, Doc, you're holding out hope on a real honest to goodness kidnapping/rescue?
I like that about you. ;)
Some Beach
04-29-2011, 01:35 AM
<modsnip>
[URL="http://http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110428/NEWS25/104280313/1002/rss"]
I am still a bit perplexed by the "Holly Bobo Fund"...I had read that her mother wanted to use the money for a vacation for Holly. There is an $80,000 reward being offered. Generally speaking, what are these types of funds used for?
Dr.Fessel
04-29-2011, 01:45 AM
hmmmm...
I guess I was figuring that 14 days in and of itself = especially aggravating kidnapping.
So, Doc, you're holding out hope on a real honest to goodness kidnapping/rescue?
I like that about you. ;)
I think that is a real possibility in this case. I think when that one thing was found it proved she was alive then.
dotnetnow
04-29-2011, 01:59 AM
I think Im too curious, but what is online sleuthing about if not looking at evidence you may actually have so. I look at the duct tape and I get:
1. This area looks like the tape has been folded over itself (onto the sticky side).
2. This object could be the end of the roll. At the lip(top) it seems thick which might indicate this. Im thinking though that what you are seeing is a layer of something inside the "cup" that has been opened outward to get at the tape inside. This would make the lip seem thick. Im guessing something like plastic or wax paper would work, or even a latex glove.
To me there is an irregularity of the shape of item 2 that would be accounted for by this. If it were the end of the roll, or just a cup, you wouldnt see this irregular pattern.
Between 1 and 2 the tape is really clean and flat. Once you've wrinkled up duct tape its hard to make it that straight again. So This was likely folded over itself, or has something on the other side.
Now inside the cup/thingie there is a dark patch. It could just be a leaf, but it could also be blood (from him hitting her earlier before using the tape on her mouth, causing her to scream btw).
I want to guess that it is his coffee cup from inside the vehicle, inside that is a glove in which he placed the rolled up duct tape he used.
...and the lock ness monster killed jimmy hoffa(if anyone wants to know).
Kimster
04-29-2011, 02:00 AM
<modsnip>
[URL="http://http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110428/NEWS25/104280313/1002/rss"]
I am still a bit perplexed by the "Holly Bobo Fund"...I had read that her mother wanted to use the money for a vacation for Holly. There is an $80,000 reward being offered. Generally speaking, what are these types of funds used for?
We're never sure! The Kyron Horman fundraisers have been to offset the cost of SAR teams here in Oregon, from what has been reported.
If I were to donate to such a fund, I would ask for an accounting and make sure they are a federally approved non-profit. This is why we rarely allow calls for donations on Websleuths. I'm not saying this group isn't using money for finding Holly, but we don't have the resources here to know for sure.
txsvicki
04-29-2011, 02:01 AM
If the lunch box was found in a creek bed, to me, that means it was dried up and most likely the route that was taken. Holly could have had the lunch box on a strap and on her shoulder where it stayed as she was made to leave probably at gunpoint. Could the kidnapper have ridden a 4 wheeler down the creek bed and walked the rest of the way then gotten her out down the creek bed the same way? Has LE said anything about tracks or are they keeping that sort of thing quiet? I think he walked in and had some sort of mode to get away that wasn't any car or truck very closeby. With other abduction attempts and other missing/murdered then the poor girl is probably deceased.
goldiegirl
04-29-2011, 02:13 AM
I'm sorry, I hate to be the person who asks for others to repost things that I should easily be able to find, but I can't find the link to this FBI FB post/flier. I think I'm just too tired to think straight.
The other unsolved cases in the area do bother me, but think about this - the first was over 30 years ago. If they were related, the perp would have to be pretty old by now. Well not necessarily old, but much older than someone who would look like Holly's bf (per the description by her brother). Say he was in his 20s when he committed that first crime, he'd be in his 50s now. I don't know about that.
ETA: I know the brother only saw him from behind and he was wearing camo and most likely a hat (I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it's what I've pictured), but a 50-something-year-old and a 20-something-year-old just don't have the same body structure generally. KWIM?
dotnetnow
04-29-2011, 02:15 AM
I thought the creek bed was likely dry as well, or shallow as such things go, but the "find" location is a really long way from her house(8 miles). It would be pretty challenging to ride a 4 wheeler (even a big one) that far, accross country, with an unwilling person and not be seen as suspicious.
Maybe the creek bed was just near the roadside? I dunno.
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 02:15 AM
I just can't figure out what would be found that would make LE think she is alive, and yet the rep, or whoever she is said on Tuesday that they have no indication whether she is alive or not.
dotnetnow
04-29-2011, 02:16 AM
FBI pages:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/person_view_multimedia
Some Beach
04-29-2011, 02:32 AM
I thought the creek bed was likely dry as well, or shallow as such things go, but the "find" location is a really long way from her house(8 miles). It would be pretty challenging to ride a 4 wheeler (even a big one) that far, accross country, with an unwilling person and not be seen as suspicious.
Maybe the creek bed was just near the roadside? I dunno.
I had initially thought the same thing. Second thoughts led me to think if he had shown a gun and threatened to kill her, he could have put her in front of him on the seat.
I honestly don't know that it would look that suspicious - until they actually started looking for her. Eight miles through these back woods is nothing for those that live here. There are probably well-worn trails for hunters and such leading into Natchez Trace State Park.
I have a couple of pictures of Natchez Trace State Park that I took a couple of days after the disappearance. Would it be ok to post them here for reference?
Pugnolia
04-29-2011, 02:39 AM
I remember reading that Holly's mother said she packed Holly's lunch that morning. (Rumor?) Does anyone know whether her lunch was still inside, uneaten? That probably wasn't discussed by LE, is my guess.
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 02:50 AM
I don't have a link handy, but it was stated that the lunch was intact.
Pugnolia
04-29-2011, 02:52 AM
Found the link to mother's packing her lunchbox. It's VERY late here, and I don't even know why I brought this up. :confused: Good night, all!
~snipped~
Other physical evidence include Holly's lunch box found 8 miles from the Bobo home on Gooch Road. Helm said they know it belongs to Bobo because her mother packed it the morning her daughter disappeared.
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14477180/day-7-of-search-for-holly-bobo-in-decatur-county
Some Beach
04-29-2011, 03:09 AM
A few photos I took at Natchez Trace State Park on 4/20. At some point, this was one of the search areas. You can see for yourself the dense ground cover. This was on what I believe to be the major road through the park at around noon. There's not a whole lot of people or cars around. I believe the park itself is something like 48,000 acres.
goldiegirl
04-29-2011, 03:11 AM
FBI pages:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/person_view_multimedia
Ohhhh, I'm sorry. I thought there was a post/flier relating to RWF. Thank you!
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 03:15 AM
Ohhhh, I'm sorry. I thought there was a post/flier relating to RWF. Thank you!
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/robert-william-fisher/view
here it is.
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 03:16 AM
A few photos I took at Natchez Trace State Park on 4/20. At some point, this was one of the search areas. You can see for yourself the dense ground cover. This was on what I believe to be the major road through the park at around noon. There's not a whole lot of people or cars around. I believe the park itself is something like 48,000 acres.
deer! awwwww...
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 03:17 AM
Mehr said investigators "did not see drag marks." He added she was "not forcefully dragged and she's like any other victim, maybe complying with her attacker, but she walked into the woods" outside her Pasrons, Tenn. home.
http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/tag/tennessee
Several older articles on this page, but I do not think I saw one before that said she walked into the woods...have seen "was led" into the woods after we finished with "was dragged."
Some Beach
04-29-2011, 03:21 AM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/robert-william-fisher/view
here it is.
Ooooohhhh, that's scary. He looks like a nice guy. I'd probably stop to help him.
Uggghhh, I'm going to freak myself out. Perhaps it's time to tune in to the Royal Wedding. Anybody else out there watching?
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 03:28 AM
Ooooohhhh, that's scary. He looks like a nice guy. I'd probably stop to help him.
Uggghhh, I'm going to freak myself out. Perhaps it's time to tune in to the Royal Wedding. Anybody else out there watching?
Yes, I have it on BBCA...I took a little nap earlier so may as well stick it out now :)
(But this kitty here couldn't stay up...)
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 03:29 AM
Ooooohhhh, that's scary. He looks like a nice guy. I'd probably stop to help him.
Uggghhh, I'm going to freak myself out. Perhaps it's time to tune in to the Royal Wedding. Anybody else out there watching?
I'm taping it.
I really want to see the dress but it's soooooooooooo past my bedtime.
ENJOY!
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 03:30 AM
Ooooohhhh, that's scary. He looks like a nice guy. I'd probably stop to help him.
Uggghhh, I'm going to freak myself out. Perhaps it's time to tune in to the Royal Wedding. Anybody else out there watching?
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
no helping 10 most wanted. :nono:
Plumeria5
04-29-2011, 03:43 AM
Ooooohhhh, that's scary. He looks like a nice guy. I'd probably stop to help him.
Uggghhh, I'm going to freak myself out. Perhaps it's time to tune in to the Royal Wedding. Anybody else out there watching?
Yes, I am watching. Never seen so many BIG HATS!!
Rallihanna
04-29-2011, 06:00 AM
So gorgeous! Wish Holly could watch!
nursebeeme
04-29-2011, 07:03 AM
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110429/NEWS25/104290314
Mehr said investigators continue to reach out to law enforcement in other states to verify information given in leads.
"We still have hope that we'll find her and bring her home," Mehr said.
Investigators from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Marshals and local law enforcement are involved in the case.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 07:40 AM
I don't have a link handy, but it was stated that the lunch was intact.
I remember them saying it was also!
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 07:53 AM
Yes the lunch was aparently in the bag.
Good mornin y'all
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 07:55 AM
Yes the lunch was aparently in the bag.
Good mornin y'all
Good Morning Carla!
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 07:57 AM
Well i think this case had hit a wall!
Its not moving forward !
I hope we wont be comming back a year later to see if there is anything new!
Trino
04-29-2011, 08:04 AM
I believe interest is already waning simply because so little information has been given to the public.
Rallihanna
04-29-2011, 08:05 AM
I believe interest is already waning simply because so little information has been given to the public.
Agree- know it's most important for them to solve the case rather than tell us what's going on. But if they need the public's help I'm afraid they may have lost it.
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 08:06 AM
Well i think this case had hit a wall!
Its not moving forward !
I hope we wont be comming back a year later to see if there is anything new!
I kinda feel the same way but hold out hope that LE is working behind the scenes and it is not as cold/dead as it seems.
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 08:31 AM
I think I can say it died at 8:12 AM EST... anyone know cpr?
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 08:33 AM
I believe interest is already waning simply because so little information has been given to the public.
Its so sad,
We come here every day.
We have her abducted and alive, abducted and dead, she has run away ,
kidnapped for ransom, Her bro is involved , her bro isnt involved, they found a phone at least 3 times, no phone found,,,, we just dont know anything.
We are asked to post links and when we do they are all diff but we all searched the same thing. Its just totally crazy...
I know every one in this room wants Holly to be found safe and sound, but with each passing day that hope dwindles!
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-29-2011, 08:36 AM
I really do have faith that TBI and the other agencies are working tirelessly to solve this crime. We don't know all that they know, but I feel they know a lot. I feel this is a crime that will be solved.
not_my_kids
04-29-2011, 08:39 AM
Mehr said investigators continue to reach out to law enforcement in other states to verify information given in leads.
"We still have hope that we'll find her and bring her home," Mehr said.
Investigators from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Marshals and local law enforcement are involved in the case.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110429/NEWS25/104290314
BBM.
Hmmmmmmmm.
not_my_kids
04-29-2011, 08:41 AM
While police initially believed an abductor dragged Bobo away as she left for school last Wednesday, investigators now suspect it was a community member in camouflage who led Bobo into the woods near her home.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20058533-504083.html
So what, now he isn't an abductor? You can't be an abductor and a community member?
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 08:41 AM
I really do have faith that TBI and the other agencies are working tirelessly to solve this crime. We don't know all that they know, but I feel they know a lot. I feel this is a crime that will be solved.
One can only hope. But I will say in pretty much every forum, blog, face book page, discussion group and even comments at the bottom of articles I sense a good bit of frustration and anger.
I think it makes us here get cranky too... :banghead:
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 08:43 AM
While police initially believed an abductor dragged Bobo away as she left for school last Wednesday, investigators now suspect it was a community member in camouflage who led Bobo into the woods near her home.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20058533-504083.html
So what, now he isn't an abductor? You can't be an abductor and a community member?
I take it as just bad wording.
It also says this...
"Police say they have begun the process of identifying persons of interest in the case"
Thats nice to know.
shefner
04-29-2011, 08:47 AM
At times, I feel like LE knows exactly who they are looking for.....other times, I think they are just following lost leads. I think I feel this way because it seems to be taking so long to find Holly. :(
Trident
04-29-2011, 08:47 AM
Today, for the first time, and I don't know why, I feel Holly is no longer with us. This whole thing makes me sick and sad. She seemed liked a wonderful person from a wonderful family, living in a good community. I believe it's time LE gave out a few facts or this case will join the Drexel, Horman, Cummings, etc, ad nauseum cases. Closed mouthed does NOT seem to work real well.
My opinion only
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 08:49 AM
While police initially believed an abductor dragged Bobo away as she left for school last Wednesday, investigators now suspect it was a community member in camouflage who led Bobo into the woods near her home.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20058533-504083.html
So what, now he isn't an abductor? You can't be an abductor and a community member?
I think there is someone influential involved in ALL this. this person could be
in a family with high standing in the community. Something is diff about this case its not being handled like all the other missing cases.
The silence speakes vollumes!
Trident
04-29-2011, 08:51 AM
I think there is someone influential involved in ALL this. this person could be
in a family with high standing in the community. Something is diff about this case its not being handled like all the other missing cases.
The silence speakes vollumes!
The silence alwasys speaks volumes - volumes of nothing, and the victim is still missing years later.
My opinion only
BeanE
04-29-2011, 08:52 AM
Case Signal: Holly Bobo: Timeline:
http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/holly-bobo-timeline/
Timeline is in progress.
I’m gathering references that come directly from law enforcement (LE quotes, one LE action (the road blocks in a specific timeframe), and one reference in which the neighbor who heard screams spoke to WBBJ, versus info from reporters without their source provided.
I am currently seeking a quote from LE, or other highly credible source, stating the time at which Holly normally left for school. If anyone finds one, and could provide it to me for inclusion, I’d be grateful.
Thanks,
BeanE
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 08:54 AM
This might just be an issue of semantics or the change in the usage of words over time.
For years the word kidnapping was used. The Lindberg Baby was kidnapped. Patty Hearst was kidnapped. Now abduction is used. Is there a legal difference? Is it just semantics?
I realized I was using kidnapping subconsciously to imply someone was taken and alive but the feeling I get with abduction is they were abducted and murdered.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 08:58 AM
Case Signal: Holly Bobo: Timeline:
http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/holly-bobo-timeline/
Timeline is in progress.
I’m gathering references that come directly from law enforcement (LE quotes, one LE action (the road blocks in a specific timeframe), and one reference in which the neighbor who heard screams spoke to WBBJ, versus info from reporters without their source provided.
I am currently seeking a quote from LE, or other highly credible source, stating the time at which Holly normally left for school. If anyone finds one, and could provide it to me for inclusion, I’d be grateful.
Thanks,
BeanE
Ive been looking into that also can we got to the school web site have any info?
BeanE
04-29-2011, 09:06 AM
Ive been looking into that also can we got to the school web site have any info?
Not that I've found. I even went through instructor job openings to see if they'd have hours of work stated, but nothing.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 09:11 AM
This might just be an issue of semantics or the change in the usage of words over time.
For years the word kidnapping was used. The Lindberg Baby was kidnapped. Patty Hearst was kidnapped. Now abduction is used. Is there a legal difference? Is it just semantics?
I realized I was using kidnapping subconsciously to imply someone was taken and alive but the feeling I get with abduction is they were abducted and murdered.
Isnt kidnapping out of the state and abduction within the state?
Just a guess!
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 09:12 AM
This might just be an issue of semantics or the change in the usage of words over time.
For years the word kidnapping was used. The Lindberg Baby was kidnapped. Patty Hearst was kidnapped. Now abduction is used. Is there a legal difference? Is it just semantics?
I realized I was using kidnapping subconsciously to imply someone was taken and alive but the feeling I get with abduction is they were abducted and murdered.
There is a whole thing on this some pages back from last night...includes many definitions, etc...
I think we decided they are basically interchangeable now...not sure?
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 09:13 AM
Not that I've found. I even went through instructor job openings to see if they'd have hours of work stated, but nothing.
I couldnt find it either!
I would love to get a pretty close timeline it might clear some things up i looked on your page and man its confusing isnt it everyone says something diff .
whats going on here?
not_my_kids
04-29-2011, 09:14 AM
The definition I saw was that kidnapping is for ransom, abduction applies to non ransom situations pertaining to adults or children. Thus the fact that they say true kidnappings are rare.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 09:17 AM
The definition I saw was that kidnapping is for ransom, abduction applies to non ransom situations pertaining to adults or children. Thus the fact that they say true kidnappings are rare.
that makes sense!
norest4thewicked
04-29-2011, 09:21 AM
I guess I am one of the few people here who still has faith in LE. Yes, it's frustrating to wait for news, but if it means that they find Holly, I don't care that we have no news. Maybe it's my background that makes me feel that they know exactly what they are doing...maybe its just blind faith. Perhaps it's the fact that I want Holly to be alive and want her to come home. :(
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 09:21 AM
Isnt kidnapping out of the state and abduction within the state?
Just a guess!
I dont think so. I think false imprisonment may also get you a kidnapping charge.
BeanE
04-29-2011, 09:25 AM
I couldnt find it either!
I would love to get a pretty close timeline it might clear some things up i looked on your page and man its confusing isnt it everyone says something diff .
whats going on here?
It's helpful to me to note the dates when LE gave times, because as time goes on, they refine info based on evidence e.g. phone records with call times.
fraudqueen
04-29-2011, 09:28 AM
This might just be an issue of semantics or the change in the usage of words over time.
For years the word kidnapping was used. The Lindberg Baby was kidnapped. Patty Hearst was kidnapped. Now abduction is used. Is there a legal difference? Is it just semantics?
I realized I was using kidnapping subconsciously to imply someone was taken and alive but the feeling I get with abduction is they were abducted and murdered.
Kidnapped, abducted....same thing. Someone can be abducted and still be alive. Just like it used to be a car accident here in Florida, now they officially call it a car crash.
The most unusual thing in this case from any other...is there has not been one leak from anywhere...and there are always leaks because people talk, even if just to their family members. I live in a community where to people in power can always call the shots, may be same here. JMO
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 09:35 AM
I guess I am one of the few people here who still has faith in LE. Yes, it's frustrating to wait for news, but if it means that they find Holly, I don't care that we have no news. Maybe it's my background that makes me feel that they know exactly what they are doing...maybe its just blind faith. Perhaps it's the fact that I want Holly to be alive and want her to come home. :(
Oh i have always had faith in LE I just started to question things when all the things started to change and everything got hushed up. The TBi spokesman says nothing either...I have no idea whats happening and they have not found Holly.
It seems no one is allowed to talk no one in town no one in LE family members
its almost like this entire town disappeared with HOLLY JMO
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 09:38 AM
It's helpful to me to note the dates when LE gave times, because as time goes on, they refine info based on evidence e.g. phone records with call times.
Why is that? Actually it shouldnt be..
I called 911 at 8 am it should be recorded. and time stamped how can that be altered?
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 09:39 AM
It is hard to believe that LE in various cities has the ability to "hush" entire communities, yet sometimes it seems that way...Portland...this case...Ron Cumming's co-workers...etc...usually when it happens, it seems to be because the locals believe LE has their guy/guys but has not yet arrested them. Wonder what it means here.
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 09:42 AM
The most unusual thing in this case from any other...is there has not been one leak from anywhere...and there are always leaks because people talk, even if just to their family members. I live in a community where to people in power can always call the shots, may be same here. JMO
I wonder about some bits of info that may have been leaked but were then squashed before they made it onto prime time TV. For example. The Nancy Grace show ran ads starting on the Friday night before Easter alleging than Holly's Cell Phone had pinged after her abduction and that Holly had sent a text message to her boyfriend that morning. That story never aired the following Monday and oddly for NG she has not discussed Holly at all (instead going back over old news). Given NG will usually say just about anything weather it is true or not makes me wonder if a high up agency like the FBI told her to hush it up.
The headline for the story that never aired still shows up when you look
Show Pages - Nancy Grace - CNN.com
Missing Nurse Holly Bobo: did cell phone ping after abduction?
www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/?ref=s96.net -
WideOpen
04-29-2011, 09:44 AM
Thank you for your work BeanE. I have found all of your timelines and casesignal pages to be a wealth of knowledge that is very accurate and complete. Bravo!
Praying for Holly, those that love her, and LE
BeanE
04-29-2011, 09:49 AM
Why is that? Actually it shouldnt be..
I called 911 at 8 am it should be recorded. and time stamped how can that be altered?
I didn't say anything about altering. I'm talking about, for example, if the brother made phone calls, LE would not have those phone records immediately, but later would check them.
For example, if Clint knows he called his buddy Billie-Bob just before he looked out the window, it would help LE refine the times in the series of events. If he called his mom after seeing the blood, same thing - the time of that call helps LE refine the times in the circumstances of Holly's disappearance.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 09:50 AM
I didn't say anything about altering. I'm talking about, for example, if the brother made phone calls, LE would not have those phone records immediately, but later would check them.
For example, if Clint knows he called his buddy Billie-Bob just before he looked out the window, it would help LE refine the times in the series of events. If he called his mom after seeing the blood, same thing - the time of that call helps LE refine the times in the circumstances of Holly's disappearance.
Ok got ya!
Trident
04-29-2011, 09:51 AM
It is hard to believe that LE in various cities has the ability to "hush" entire communities, yet sometimes it seems that way...Portland...this case...Ron Cumming's co-workers...etc...usually when it happens, it seems to be because the locals believe LE has their guy/guys but has not yet arrested them. Wonder what it means here.
Roughly, in my opinion, the same thing it means everywhere else - it's an "ongoing investigation", which may go on for years, and there may/may not be a good reason not to realease any facts. The good reasons may vary, depending on who's best interests are served. I didn't get his feeling at first, like I did in some other cases, but the longer it goes on with no information, the more I am leaning towards it.
I can no longer feel the lively vibes from Holly like I did in the beginning. To me this puts this case in the same "ongoing, no info" bin as the others that drag on and on, and my be solved in 20 years.
My opinion only
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 09:52 AM
I wonder about some bits of info that may have been leaked but were then squashed before they made it onto prime time TV. For example. The Nancy Grace show ran ads starting on the Friday night before Easter alleging than Holly's Cell Phone had pinged after her abduction and that Holly had sent a text message to her boyfriend that morning. That story never aired the following Monday and oddly for NG she has not discussed Holly at all (instead going back over old news). Given NG will usually say just about anything weather it is true or not makes me wonder if a high up agency like the FBI told her to hush it up.
The headline for the story that never aired still shows up when you look
Show Pages - Nancy Grace - CNN.com
Missing Nurse Holly Bobo: did cell phone ping after abduction?
www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/?ref=s96.net -
I was wondering that also NG would beat a dead horse LOL JMO
Mandy113
04-29-2011, 09:54 AM
FWIW ... There was a lengthy discussion about kidnapping vs abduction last night (as others have pointed out) including some links for legal definitions. I think one of the important differences is that kidnapping is the legal term used when bringing charges.
Still keeping Holly & her family in my prayers.
always JMO
concentric
04-29-2011, 09:55 AM
Hi all,
I found this legal definition of kidnapping, where it lays out the the various aspects:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/kidnapping
Here's an interesting segment:
The Lindbergh Act was named for Charles A. Lindbergh, a celebrated aviator and Air Force colonel whose baby was kidnapped and killed in 1932. The act provides that if a victim is not released within 24 hours after being abducted, a court may presume that the victim was transported across state lines.
-------------------------------------------------
I haven't read the entire article, so my questions may be answered as I read the article or they already have been answered by the above cited portion:
If the kidnapper or abductor left Holly within state lines of TN, but then absconded to another state, would it still be a federal charge? If the kidnapper or abductor entered from another state to commit the kidnapping, but then left Holly within the state lines of TN, would that be considered a federal charge?
Like I said, according to the above citing it is encompased within the Lindbergh Act.
(I may revise my post, upon further understanding) Thank you.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 09:56 AM
Roughly, in my opinion, the same thing it means everywhere else - it's an "ongoing investigation", which may go on for years, and there may/may not be a good reason not to realease any facts. The good reasons may vary, depending on who's best interests are served. I didn't get his feeling at first, like I did in some other cases, but the longer it goes on with no information, the more I am leaning towards it.
I can no longer feel the lively vibes from Holly like I did in the beginning. To me this puts this case in the same "ongoing, no info" bin as the others that drag on and on, and my be solved in 20 years.
My opinion only
I just think ppl want to know what happening, That very normal, a beautiful young woman is missing. We havent heard anything from them in a very long long time. they send out the spokeswoman whos really has no knowledge of anything.
The case in NH the LE at least kept ppl updated.. We cant tell you that but we can tell u this....The did say alot without saying anything but we felt we were getting info and we were,,,, a few breadcrumbs dont hurt! JMO
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 09:58 AM
Hi all,
I found this legal definition of kidnapping, where it lays out the the various aspects:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/kidnapping
Here's an interesting segment:
The Lindbergh Act was named for Charles A. Lindbergh, a celebrated aviator and Air Force colonel whose baby was kidnapped and killed in 1932. The act provides that if a victim is not released within 24 hours after being abducted, a court may presume that the victim was transported across state lines. .
Thats interesting about being transported across state lines since Lindberghs baby was NOT. Good act though.
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 10:00 AM
I just think ppl want to know what happening, That very normal, a beautiful young woman is missing. We havent heard anything from them in a very long long time. they send out the spokeswoman whos really has no knowledge of anything.
The case in NH the LE at least kept ppl updated.. We cant tell you that but we can tell u this....The did say alot without saying anything but we felt we were getting info and we were,,,, a few breadcrumbs dont hurt! JMO
Well, you know, this is one of those scary kinds of crimes. No known motive, no suspects, nothing. If her brother didn't get a glimpse of the guy walking into the woods there would be NOTHING. Some crimes (while still WRONG) you can at least understand how they happened. Emotional stuff during divorces, drug deals going bad, mob hits, etc. Its the random stuff that freaks me out. And I take this case personally just due to my own experiences.
norest4thewicked
04-29-2011, 10:03 AM
I just think ppl want to know what happening, That very normal, a beautiful young woman is missing. We havent heard anything from them in a very long long time. they send out the spokeswoman whos really has no knowledge of anything.
The case in NH the LE at least kept ppl updated.. We cant tell you that but we can tell u this....The did say alot without saying anything but we felt we were getting info and we were,,,, a few breadcrumbs dont hurt! JMO
Eileen...it's not about what LE tells the public. It's about Holly and bringing her home in the safest way possible. LE doesn't care what any of us think or want. Once we understand and accept this, it will be easier to accept their silence. Some may never accept it, but we won't be able to know until this is over.
Daisyjane
04-29-2011, 10:04 AM
Perhaps we could start emailing Nancy Grace and other such shows to request coverage of Holly's case. Nancy seems preoccupied with the Anthony trial and 'tot-mom' as she calls Casey. But if we could put a bee in her bonnet about Holly, maybe she'd occasionally switch her ''Bombshell Tonight" to Holly.
Also, Dateline, 48 Hours, America's Most Wanted, even the morning shows like Today and GMA. Now that the royal wedding is over, they might be ready to turn their focus to a VERY puzzling mystery.
norest4thewicked
04-29-2011, 10:05 AM
I'm surprised that AMW hasn't picked this up yet...
concentric
04-29-2011, 10:09 AM
It was suggested earlier by one of our sleuths here that the authorities on the Holly Bobo investigation may have requested that the media back off so that they can accomplish the rescue or recovery of Holly and/or get as much as they can on the abductor or securing the abductor, etc.
JMO
norest4thewicked
04-29-2011, 10:10 AM
It was suggested earlier by one of our sleuths here that the authorities on the Holly Bobo investigation have requested that the media back off so that they can accomplish the rescue or recovery of Holly and/or get as much as they can on the abductor or securing the abductor, etc.
That would make sense.
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 10:13 AM
I'm surprised that AMW hasn't picked this up yet...
I was surprised when I reviewed the info on the AMW web site about Holly that it was the same old dated stuff from the first day!
It still says she was seen being dragged away...
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=77784
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 10:16 AM
Well, you know, this is one of those scary kinds of crimes. No known motive, no suspects, nothing. If her brother didn't get a glimpse of the guy walking into the woods there would be NOTHING. Some crimes (while still WRONG) you can at least understand how they happened. Emotional stuff during divorces, drug deals going bad, mob hits, etc. Its the random stuff that freaks me out. And I take this case personally just due to my own experiences.
Oh i know you do!
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 10:17 AM
I was surprised when I reviewed the info on the AMW web site about Holly that it was the same old dated stuff from the first day!
It still says she was seen being dragged away...
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=77784
Well that was the initial report! And maybe they believe thats what really happend.
concentric
04-29-2011, 10:18 AM
There may be some legal wranglings/negotiations involved in arresting the suspect. JMO.
liltexans
04-29-2011, 10:19 AM
Eileen...it's not about what LE tells the public. It's about Holly and bringing her home in the safest way possible. LE doesn't care what any of us think or want. Once we understand and accept this, it will be easier to accept their silence. Some may never accept it, but we won't be able to know until this is over.
ITA. It's also about being able to prosecute the perp or perps responsible whether Holly is brought home or isn't (unfortunately).
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 10:21 AM
There may be some legal wranglings/negotiations involved in arresting the suspect. JMO.
what would that be? unless say it was the embassador from Kazhakstan? I guess someone could be lawyered up somewhere but I dont think that protects someone from arrest. Could be wrong...?
liltexans
04-29-2011, 10:22 AM
Perhaps we could start emailing Nancy Grace and other such shows to request coverage of Holly's case. Nancy seems preoccupied with the Anthony trial and 'tot-mom' as she calls Casey. But if we could put a bee in her bonnet about Holly, maybe she'd occasionally switch her ''Bombshell Tonight" to Holly.
Also, Dateline, 48 Hours, America's Most Wanted, even the morning shows like Today and GMA. Now that the royal wedding is over, they might be ready to turn their focus to a VERY puzzling mystery.
I think normally NG would be all over Holly's case, but I don't think she can get anyone close to the investigation or even a local resident to talk about it on air. She has no one to interview.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 10:23 AM
Eileen...it's not about what LE tells the public. It's about Holly and bringing her home in the safest way possible. LE doesn't care what any of us think or want. Once we understand and accept this, it will be easier to accept their silence. Some may never accept it, but we won't be able to know until this is over.
Hi Norest!
I know LE wants to bring her home in the safest way possible, but do u think they will?
Where do you think this is going?
I just never saw a case like this is all
Will we be comming back to this thread in a years time wondering if they found anything.
Soon the towns ppl will start talking and then we will find out some things.
JMPO
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 10:25 AM
I think normally NG would be all over Holly's case, but I don't think she can get anyone close to the investigation or even a local resident to talk about it on air. She has no one to interview.
Oh she could gather her talking heads lol
I think the only reason she wouldnt open her mouth was LE...
If ya notice no one is talking about her sure a little bit on the news but .. thats about it!
concentric
04-29-2011, 10:25 AM
What would authorities have to do to move/expedite a suspect from one state to another, another location, etc.?
oceanblueeyes
04-29-2011, 10:46 AM
Hi Norest!
I know LE wants to bring her home in the safest way possible, but do u think they will?
Where do you think this is going?
I just never saw a case like this is all
Will we be comming back to this thread in a years time wondering if they found anything.
Soon the towns ppl will start talking and then we will find out some things.
JMPO
I really don't think the towns people will come out and talk with the media in depth about Holly's case. Small rural areas seem to be much more of the opinion that all comments should come from LE only. I doubt anyone there is out to get their 15 minutes of fame.
I am not so pessimistic. I think LE IS making progress and this case will be brought to a final resolution. Missing person cases are hard to solve when the person is abducted in a blink of an eye but they are solvable if LE continues to investigate and they will do so, imo.
We have no idea how many people they have interviewed by now but it is not uncommon for the police to request that the persons spoken to not to divulge what was said to the media. Rural citizens seem more disciplined and will respect what LE has asked of them.
And they really shouldn't comment on the ongoing case. If any comments are to be released it needs to come from LE only for it protects the integrity of their case.
IMO
Trident
04-29-2011, 10:50 AM
That would make sense.
It would make sense if that was the norm, if things really happened that way. Unfortunately, from all I've seen through years of sleuthing cases, the minute the information dries up, so does the case. Sad, but true, in my opinion.
oceanblueeyes
04-29-2011, 10:55 AM
It would make sense if that was the norm, if things really happened that way. Unfortunately, from all I've seen through years of sleuthing cases, the minute the information dries up, so does the case. Sad, but true, in my opinion.
I think we tend to think that. Maybe because we want the case solved quickly but behind the scenes LE is diligently still working the cases. We have often seen case we thought would probably never be solved but they finally happened.
The media may drop Holly from its reporting but LE will continue on.
IMO
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 11:04 AM
Ok need to go for a bit. Keep up the good ideas!
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-29-2011, 11:07 AM
My DIL hates to watch CSI.....crimes don't get solved in one hour in real life. A lot of the testing that is done on evidence takes time. After the testing is done the results may be known to LE, but it's only one piece of the puzzle. They want to put the whole puzzle together before they reveal the answer.
SweetSkit
04-29-2011, 11:09 AM
Town people are already talking but it falls into the rumor category so we cant talk about it here...I have heard lots of talk actually..
Maybe LE will come forward with some info soon! I sure hope so!
concentric
04-29-2011, 11:10 AM
JMO, MOO -- This is only a question in my pondering mind:
Still wondering about the possible stalking of Holly starting with a guy's obsession over the country music star, Whitney Duncan, possibly seeing Holly pictured with her on the internet, thought Holly was just as desirable, knew that the country star had protection and bodyguards, then went for Holly, first determining where she lived, then scoping things out and deciding it was feasible to grab her.
Disgusted
04-29-2011, 11:13 AM
Eileen...it's not about what LE tells the public. It's about Holly and bringing her home in the safest way possible. LE doesn't care what any of us think or want. Once we understand and accept this, it will be easier to accept their silence. Some may never accept it, but we won't be able to know until this is over.
Agree 100%.
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 11:14 AM
I suppose, it could be, that LE knows this is personal - knows who took Holly.
It sure seems it was a planned, targeted "kidnapping".
But if they had confidence about who the perp is, under what circumstances would they not put out a public BOLO?
To protect Holly somehow? :waitasec:
Because they are negotiating Holly's hostage situation?
To encourage accomplices to come forward - (the reward)?
To protect a larger LE objective (a sting of some sort)?
Because there were threats to Holly that previously went largely ignored by LE? (trying to avoid criticism of local LE?)
I don't get the total silence - it's very confusing. I keep thinking that there's a purpose to it though. And then I realize, it's just as likely that there is no purpose to it that has to do with Holly.
:praying: for Holly & her family
fwiw: there are still 33 members and 37 guests on this thread. they are not all posting; I sure wish they would. Last night, there were as many as 130 +/- here. Maybe more. IMO, here at WS, that is pretty high interest given the dirth of news on this case. c'mon WS-ers! It would be nice for everyone to say why YOU are still here. And what keeps bringing you back / troubles you most. Within TOS, obvs. :yes:
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 11:19 AM
Town people are already talking but it falls into the rumor category so we cant talk about it here...I have heard lots of talk actually..
Maybe LE will come forward with some info soon! I sure hope so!
Ah, see! That is interesting to know. Not that rumor mills are good things. But in a small town, you'd expect talk. It is only human. Knowing there is local scuttlebutt and not some collective silence, does make the case feel a bit more ... normal.
So thanks for that!
concentric
04-29-2011, 11:21 AM
Like I said earlier, maybe the abductor was already arrested for something else, then subsequently fessed up to abducting Holly. Now, they are trying to determine where Holly is, alive or deceased.
Or, maybe there is more than 1 abductor, as you say, accomplices, and LE is trying to determine where they are while running a parallel search for Holly.
JMO
Emma Peel
04-29-2011, 11:24 AM
Like I said earlier, maybe the abductor was already arrested for something else, then subsequently fessed up to abducting Holly. Now, they are trying to determine where Holly is, alive or deceased.
Or, maybe there is more than 1 abductor, as you say, accomplices, and LE is trying to determine where they are while running a parallel search for Holly.
:yes:
right. along these lines, LE silence would make sense. someone already in custody - for other reasons. chasing down remaining accomplices, if any.... or staking them out...
Chili Fries
04-29-2011, 11:26 AM
I hope I'm wrong but I think the way Holly's mom reacted to the "significant" Eaton plant area find could indicate just how little LE have had to go on. Maybe they were that desperate for something solid. I know Holly's family feels incredibly appreciative of the searchers but part of the dynamic of her reaction might have been from her feeling the investigation was bogging down.
greengreen
04-29-2011, 11:27 AM
We're never sure! The Kyron Horman fundraisers have been to offset the cost of SAR teams here in Oregon, from what has been reported.
If I were to donate to such a fund, I would ask for an accounting and make sure they are a federally approved non-profit. This is why we rarely allow calls for donations on Websleuths. I'm not saying this group isn't using money for finding Holly, but we don't have the resources here to know for sure.
To my understanding, the HollyBobo Fund is going to the family for them to use how they need it. EX they have obviously not been working and still have bills to pay. They could also use it for the reward money if that is utilized. It is NOT for a vacation. But you know what I think we all need one lol
MILofForensicSpecTBI
04-29-2011, 11:29 AM
Emma...I'm here because I hope for resolution. I think of Holly and pray for her daily. I pray for her family to have peace, and closure. This case continues to draw me because it's relatively a local crime, my DIL worked the crime scene and because I'm a mom. I'm a mom who wouldn't want anyone to go through the nightmare this family is going through.
What troubles me most is the rumors. I don't think the rumors are productive in solving this case and in some instances are heart breaking to the family.
Strawberry Fields
04-29-2011, 11:29 AM
I suppose, it could be, that LE knows this is personal - knows who took Holly.
It sure seems it was a planned, targeted "kidnapping".
But if they had confidence about who the perp is, under what circumstances would they not put out a public BOLO?
To protect Holly somehow? :waitasec:
Because they are negotiating Holly's hostage situation?
To encourage accomplices to come forward - (the reward)?
To protect a larger LE objective (a sting of some sort)?
Because there were threats to Holly that previously went largely ignored by LE? (trying to avoid criticism of local LE?)
I don't get the total silence - it's very confusing. I keep thinking that there's a purpose to it though. And then I realize, it's just as likely that there is no purpose to it that has to do with Holly.
:praying: for Holly & her family
fwiw: there are still 33 members and 37 guests on this thread. they are not all posting; I sure wish they would. Last night, there were as many as 130 +/- here. Maybe more. IMO, here at WS, that is pretty high interest given the dirth of news on this case. c'mon WS-ers! It would be nice for everyone to say why YOU are still here. And what keeps bringing you back / troubles you most. Within TOS, obvs. :yes:
BBM: I just feel like this case is mysterious in that no pressers are being held now. I have not followed a ton of cases on WS, but most I have covered there are some pressers held by either family or LE. Holly's poor dear parents cannot even stand to appear on camera as they seem so distraught and they need answers. I keep coming back because I want to see a happy ending for a change. It does not happen often, and I know the odds of time missing, etc., but with prayers and all the support and all the agencies involved, I don't think it is impossible.
53chevygirl
04-29-2011, 11:31 AM
fwiw: there are still 33 members and 37 guests on this thread. they are not all posting; I sure wish they would. Last night, there were as many as 130 +/- here. Maybe more. IMO, here at WS, that is pretty high interest given the dirth of news on this case. c'mon WS-ers! It would be nice for everyone to say why YOU are still here. And what keeps bringing you back / troubles you most. Within TOS, obvs. :yes:
Respectfully snipped by me. I've been lurking on WS since the beginning of the Bethany Decker case and began to read/follow other stories here. I must say, I love the respect of this board for each of its members.
That being said, I am here for Holly. Her smile is infectious. I was raised in a small town and imagine what a tragedy it would be if something like this happend there. And I think to myself, that I believe our townspeople would react the same way. Small country towns are amazing. The way they love and protect their own is unmeasurable.
I'm here for Holly. Hoping and Praying for her return to her family, to being held and loved by those who care so deeply about her.
Off to lurk again. Blessing to all of you and yours.
Ellebelle
04-29-2011, 11:35 AM
Emma...I'm here because I hope for resolution. I think of Holly and pray for her daily. I pray for her family to have peace, and closure. This case continues to draw me because it's relatively a local crime, my DIL worked the crime scene and because I'm a mom. I'm a mom who wouldn't want anyone to go through the nightmare this family is going through.
What troubles me most is the rumors. I don't think the rumors are productive in solving this case and in some instances are heart breaking to the family.
I agree but the best way to quash rumors is to speak, IMO!
concentric
04-29-2011, 11:38 AM
Many of us long-term posters on websleuths have been victims ourselves and/or had family members/friends who have been victims.
We are victim advocate oriented.
notinmycommunity
04-29-2011, 11:38 AM
LE is still very active in the area, they have not given up. It is frustrating to not know but I still have confidence in them. If they are local there has to be more than one abductor, I don't believe something like this could be pulled off in such a small town by one person. As for the rumors, for every one that non locals are hearing we are hearing 5 times that. Some come up more than others, but we can only assume they are rumors until told different.
passionflower
04-29-2011, 11:45 AM
Locals..........are you afraid ???
Do you thin this is an isolated case or young women in danger?
Miziree
04-29-2011, 11:47 AM
Emma- i'm here because of Bonnie Craig.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/crime/craig/
I was the same age as her when she went missing and caught the bus just hours after her on the same road. They didn't find her murder until 13 years later. He was a soldier, they caught him by DNA.
I also am a mother of 3 kids, 2 girls. I don't want any family to have to go through what these families have gone through. If my imput helps in some way to find someone or help in any way would make it all worth my time.
back to the case here.....not sure if this has been posted yet...
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110429/NEWS25/104290314/Investigators-continue-follow-leads-search-Holly-Bobo-Mehr-We-still-hope?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Special Agent in Charge John Mehr said leads are being checked daily and that there is not a time frame as to when volunteers will be asked to return in the search for Bobo.
Officials decided Wednesday to suspend the use of volunteers in light of rising floodwaters.
Mehr said investigators continue to reach out to law enforcement in other states to verify information given in leads.
"We still have hope that we'll find her and bring her home," Mehr said.
notinmycommunity
04-29-2011, 11:56 AM
Locals..........are you afraid ???
Do you thin this is an isolated case or young women in danger?
Everyone wants whoever did this to be off the street. I would say people are a little scared, but it doesn't change the fact that the people here want to find Holly. I would think if people needed to be scared LE would tell us instead of being silent on the matter. I would say there are a lot more guns loaded and ready in the area. On the searches I saw a lot of guns, and they were worn openly.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 11:58 AM
Town people are already talking but it falls into the rumor category so we cant talk about it here...I have heard lots of talk actually..
Maybe LE will come forward with some info soon! I sure hope so!
so have i! I know they are not saying much but in a months time FB will be very active again... JMO
PPL will start talking neighbors to neighbor and relatives, soon bits and pieces come out. JMO
greengreen
04-29-2011, 12:01 PM
Locals..........are you afraid ???
Do you thin this is an isolated case or young women in danger?
Well let's disregard most of what I have said on my opinion that was based on rumors. As MIL stated the rumors are more than likely hurting the investigation. If everyone listens to the "rumors" they have tunnel vision. I have stated that the community feels Holly is alive. I still believe that the community as a whole believes this to be true. Myself, I am not so certain anymore. I pray she is at peace, regardless of the outcome. I also pray the person(s) responsible are held accountable.
To answer passionflowers question: women are scared now because of the lack of knowledge given by LE. As far as was Holly specifically targeted, I have no idea. HOWEVER, I believe the only way they will have enough evidence to get a conviction is to keep silent and not inform local LE about what the findings are. He thinks he is smart, but he is not that smart. I have full confidence in the TBI and their investigation.
Edit: Do I believe Holly was specifically targeted? Yes. By an ex-boyfriend or some unrequited love? I doubt it.
Trident
04-29-2011, 12:04 PM
Many of us long-term posters on websleuths have been victims ourselves and/or had family members/friends who have been victims.
We are victim advocate oriented.
Sure we are. My cousin was murdered along with 14 or so other young girls. 35 years ago. No one was ever charged, but I did get some info never released by LE. Well, BIG WHOOP, the killer has never been named as far as any of us know. Let's hear it for keeping things close to the vest.:great:
SweetSkit
04-29-2011, 12:06 PM
What has the radio guy had to say about his rumor that hasn't appeared to pan out?
I havent heard anymore about it..Let me see if he has retracted it or anything.
SweetSkit
04-29-2011, 12:08 PM
I suppose, it could be, that LE knows this is personal - knows who took Holly.
It sure seems it was a planned, targeted "kidnapping".
But if they had confidence about who the perp is, under what circumstances would they not put out a public BOLO?
To protect Holly somehow? :waitasec:
Because they are negotiating Holly's hostage situation?
To encourage accomplices to come forward - (the reward)?
To protect a larger LE objective (a sting of some sort)?
Because there were threats to Holly that previously went largely ignored by LE? (trying to avoid criticism of local LE?)
I don't get the total silence - it's very confusing. I keep thinking that there's a purpose to it though. And then I realize, it's just as likely that there is no purpose to it that has to do with Holly.
:praying: for Holly & her family
fwiw: there are still 33 members and 37 guests on this thread. they are not all posting; I sure wish they would. Last night, there were as many as 130 +/- here. Maybe more. IMO, here at WS, that is pretty high interest given the dirth of news on this case. c'mon WS-ers! It would be nice for everyone to say why YOU are still here. And what keeps bringing you back / troubles you most. Within TOS, obvs. :yes:
I keep coming here because I keep worrying about what Holly is going through if she is still alive..It bugs me EVERYday. :(
ensht
04-29-2011, 12:08 PM
Well let's disregard most of what I have said on my opinion that was based on rumors. As MIL stated the rumors are more than likely hurting the investigation. If everyone listens to the "rumors" they have tunnel vision. I have stated that the community feels Holly is alive. I still believe that the community as a whole believes this to be true. Myself, I am not so certain anymore. I pray she is at peace, regardless of the outcome. I also pray the person(s) responsible are held accountable.
To answer passionflowers question: women are scared now because of the lack of knowledge given by LE. As far as was Holly specifically targeted, I have no idea. HOWEVER, I believe the only way they will have enough evidence to get a conviction is to keep silent and not inform local LE about what the findings are. He thinks he is smart, but he is not that smart. I have full confidence in the TBI and their investigation.
IMO if it's ever found local officials in any way shape or form assisted the perp or the family of the perp they should go to jail as accessories after the fact.
Disgusting that we all keep hearing that this is the good old boy network at work and that a criminal thug is being protected potential by his family and worse maybe town elders.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 12:09 PM
LE is still very active in the area, they have not given up. It is frustrating to not know but I still have confidence in them. If they are local there has to be more than one abductor, I don't believe something like this could be pulled off in such a small town by one person. As for the rumors, for every one that non locals are hearing we are hearing 5 times that. Some come up more than others, but we can only assume they are rumors until told different.
Why would it have to be more then one person? What would Motive be?
I can understand one person, only because it IS usually only one. the more ppl involved in a crime the harder it is to escape and the more evidence that can be found also the fear one would turn on the others.
Could they be brothers? Friends? but why take Holly? Assault her?
Mad at her BF? Revenge for something?
I have a hard time with multiple abductors but anything is possible JMO
greengreen
04-29-2011, 12:10 PM
Like I said earlier, maybe the abductor was already arrested for something else, then subsequently fessed up to abducting Holly. Now, they are trying to determine where Holly is, alive or deceased.
Or, maybe there is more than 1 abductor, as you say, accomplices, and LE is trying to determine where they are while running a parallel search for Holly.
JMO
IMO, LE is not talking to avoid what would become an elaborate cover-up if evidence was released.
Let me clarify that. Not LE covering up, but family members covering things up.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 12:11 PM
Now there is a mother and her daughters missing i think its 4 of them
greengreen
04-29-2011, 12:13 PM
IMO if it's ever found local officials in any way shape or form assisted the perp or the family of the perp they should go to jail as accessories after the fact.
Disgusting that we all keep hearing that this is the good old boy network at work and that a criminal thug is being protected potential by his family and worse maybe town elders.
I don't believe the part you said regarding local officials is true at all. I believe local LE is not informed because everybody knows everybody and it would get back to the abductor and his family and the coverup would begin.
Trident
04-29-2011, 12:13 PM
IMO, LE is not talking to avoid what would become an elaborate cover-up if evidence was released.
Let me clarify that. Not LE covering up, but family members covering things up.
What happens if they are one and the same - related?
Yellow Rose
04-29-2011, 12:13 PM
I too have lurked a lot behind the scenes just keeping up on things. Just like many others, I am a victim advocate. I want resolution for Holly and her family and friends and community too. I know that I would not feel as secure in that community unless I got it.
I have read every single solitary post on Holly Bobo since its onset and like most here, am frustrated as I do not know how to help!
I don't think I honestly spoke up at all on WS until the Zahra Baker case. I will never in my life forget that darling girl!
SweetSkit
04-29-2011, 12:16 PM
Im so happy to see this dialog opening up a little finally...people seem more relaxed than when I first came here and it is easier to think that way....(for me anyway)
:hugs:
grandmaj
04-29-2011, 12:16 PM
IMO if it's ever found local officials in any way shape or form assisted the perp or the family of the perp they should go to jail as accessories after the fact.
Disgusting that we all keep hearing that this is the good old boy network at work and that a criminal thug is being protected potential by his family and worse maybe town elders.
Can you provide a link? Because I certainly have read nothing of the sort. Nor have I heard it on the news.
Jo in Calif
04-29-2011, 12:27 PM
Stop and think what keeps a lot of these cases hot and in the news, drama in the family.
I think we have a normal loving family here.
No young boyfriend, moved in by the mother.
No family members with long drug arrests, or being arrested after the abduction.
No pending divorce by the parents.
There is no drama with this family, I'm sure it would be reported, reporters love to dig this stuff up.
We have a normal, loving family, LE seems to have only one thing to concentrate on, finding Holly and her abductor, or abductors.
lishac23
04-29-2011, 12:32 PM
Thinking along the lines of a motive....ruling out an ex, obsessesd stalker, ransom...have there been (other cases) other reasons one would kidnap someone? Maybe if we can come up with a motive it will help "narrow" down some of these theories as to what happened to her.
Stolly
04-29-2011, 12:34 PM
Agree- know it's most important for them to solve the case rather than tell us what's going on. But if they need the public's help I'm afraid they may have lost it.
Exactly! I want to briefly chime in about this side topic. Let me first say that the investigators are doing everything they can, and do great work. Clamping down on the information released, especially in a highly publicized cases seems to be the status quo.
That being said, the public is an amazing tool. In so many cases, I wonder if the crime would be solved if the LE community would just release a little bit more information.
In this case, the public isn't even told the exact location where the lunch bag was found. The perp knows where it was left, why not disclose the precise location? That could be extremely helpful. A member of the public might say, "Hey I used to fish at that exact place last month, and we would always see this odd guy with this pickup truck and out of state plates that would cook out."
Or take the vehicle and direction it left as an example. The LE community most likely identified tracks somewhere that would either lead them to believe it was an ATV or a truck. There is no reason, barring any extreme circumstances, that they can't follow two people's footprints into the woods, and identify where they exited the woods. Then they could release information like "we believe that the perp parked a truck or sport utility vehicle on (blank) street, and when leaving, first headed north on (blank) street." That would get people thinking more accurately, than simply saying, let us know if someone is cleaning a vehicle and looks stressed.
I know the professionals sure as heck know what they are doing, but it is frustrating sometimes to see information become limited to the point that any other leads by the public will dry up. Sometimes LE hits the lottery with the public, and some information they release resonates or tips off someone in the public. You then have a perp caught that would not have been caught otherwise. It just seems like its worth it to continue to release some information....
Some examples of things that might be helpful and not harm the case...
-Did the cell phone ping anywhere? (people might have realized something out of the ordinary in that particular location)
-Any idea on the type of the vehicle? (I doubt someone could be transported 8 miles away on an ATV, if they found tire treads they could link those to ones typically on a car or truck)
liltexans
04-29-2011, 12:35 PM
Stop and think what keeps a lot of these cases hot and in the news, drama in the family.
I think we have a normal loving family here.
No young boyfriend, moved in by the mother.
No family members with long drug arrests, or being arrested after the abduction.
No pending divorce by the parents.
There is no drama with this family, I'm sure it would be reported, reporters love to dig this stuff up.
We have a normal, loving family, LE seems to have only one thing to concentrate on, finding Holly and her abductor, or abductors.
I agree. This is not Hailey Dunn's family. These are nice, stable people by all accounts.
Eileen730
04-29-2011, 12:35 PM
Anyone stop to think it could be one of those 600 some facebook friends?
Dont you think some of these kids put too much info out there?
We have a craigs list killer!
How the heck do u know who you are making a friend? Mary smith could be Thomas creepo>
Carla Lashelle
04-29-2011, 12:35 PM
Stop and think what keeps a lot of these cases hot and in the news, drama in the family.
I think we have a normal loving family here.
No young boyfriend, moved in by the mother.
No family members with long drug arrests, or being arrested after the abduction.
No pending divorce by the parents.
There is no drama with this family, I'm sure it would be reported, reporters love to dig this stuff up.
We have a normal, loving family, LE seems to have only one thing to concentrate on, finding Holly and her abductor, or abductors.
unless there is some unknown family dynamics we do not know. Not saying anything criminal, but we really dont know how everyone in her immediate and extended families interact with each other.
nursebeeme
04-29-2011, 12:39 PM
I suppose, it could be, that LE knows this is personal - knows who took Holly.
It sure seems it was a planned, targeted "kidnapping".
But if they had confidence about who the perp is, under what circumstances would they not put out a public BOLO?
To protect Holly somehow? :waitasec:
Because they are negotiating Holly's hostage situation?
To encourage accomplices to come forward - (the reward)?
To protect a larger LE objective (a sting of some sort)?
Because there were threats to Holly that previously went largely ignored by LE? (trying to avoid criticism of local LE?)
I don't get the total silence - it's very confusing. I keep thinking that there's a purpose to it though. And then I realize, it's just as likely that there is no purpose to it that has to do with Holly.
:praying: for Holly & her family
fwiw: there are still 33 members and 37 guests on this thread. they are not all posting; I sure wish they would. Last night, there were as many as 130 +/- here. Maybe more. IMO, here at WS, that is pretty high interest given the dirth of news on this case. c'mon WS-ers! It would be nice for everyone to say why YOU are still here. And what keeps bringing you back / troubles you most. Within TOS, obvs. :yes:
I am still here/keep coming back... because when I was in 6th grade my friend was abducted, raped, and murdered from a small town much like Holly's. Heck we didn't even have a stoplight at the time in our town.
They linked my friend's case to her murderer by a carpet fiber... he had killed other young girls in the area as well. The carpet fiber found with my friend matched the carpet in his van that he used to abduct them and was found on all his victims.
Every time I see a case like this where evidence is found (re: holly's items) I think back to my friend and how her murderer was caught by a little piece of carpet...and hope and pray that there is some link to Holly's kidnapper on the items they have recovered.
Stolly
04-29-2011, 12:39 PM
Anyone stop to think it could be one of those 600 some facebook friends?
Dont you think some of these kids put too much info out there?
We have a craigs list killer!
How the heck do u know who you are making a friend? Mary smith could be Thomas creepo>
I thought about that earlier, those friends would be a good place to start. Her block list may be an even better place (if she has one).
falconsfan
04-29-2011, 12:40 PM
I am still strongly of the opinion that the perp did not originally use a car because he really didn't need one. I REALLY think he lived cose enough to Holly that he could get her into one area of the woods and out another area taking him right to some location he deemed to be safe. After looking into some people on my own, I do have a viable suspect in mind.....of course all of this is MOO!
I agree with that you said about the perp not originally using a car. I also think that there is a possiblity that, unfotunately, they may have killed her in the woods, and then took her possessions and scattered them to throw off their trail. That is JMO and something I was thinking about. :banghead:
Jo in Calif
04-29-2011, 12:43 PM
unless there is some unknown family dynamics we do not know. Not saying anything criminal, but we really dont know how everyone in her immediate and extended families interact with each other.
No we don't, but I bet LE does and if it will help find Holly, I bet they are using it.
Sometimes LE does not need the public's help, other than what they have already asked for and received.
I think LE are working very hard and there is nothing cold about this case.
cluciano63
04-29-2011, 12:44 PM
Several other cases have proven that when LE is quiet, or regrouping, or focusing in another direction, it often does NOT mean they are exactly hot on a trail or lead, but seemingly the opposite. That is what is a little disconcerting to me.
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