View Full Version : TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #20
Emma Peel
05-02-2011, 01:06 AM
no. I am not.
Apparently I didn't read it, rather I saw the video early on that BeanE just posted.
no problem Jo. My sense of humor is very odd, so they tell me. And ... admittedly, I have been known to let it slip out around the forum here and there. :giggle:
It's a coping mechanism. :yes:
Apples2Apples
05-02-2011, 01:41 AM
Good night y'all! I have a heavy heart tonight, and just don't know what to think about HB anymore. I hope and pray that she is found and that she is safe.
Rallihanna
05-02-2011, 06:43 AM
Good morning- hoping today is the day Holly is found.
Trino
05-02-2011, 07:17 AM
I am not at all saying the family is involved in H's disappearance. However, I do believe the family should be giving public appearances, as has been done in most abduction cases we've heard about, and LE should be giving regular updates. The vibs are that LE doesn't really want outside help or advice, and the perception is the media and public are a negative. Not so. They can be very helpful.
I just don't believe LE is keeping information close to their vests. Rather, they seem to be flitting from a part of one county to a different direction in the same or another county, which makes me believe they don't have a clue where Holly could be. How long will it be before people around the area figure out the current strategy isn't working?
oceanblueeyes
05-02-2011, 07:51 AM
I am not at all saying the family is involved in H's disappearance. However, I do believe the family should be giving public appearances, as has been done in most abduction cases we've heard about, and LE should be giving regular updates. The vibs are that LE doesn't really want outside help or advice, and the perception is the media and public are a negative. Not so. They can be very helpful.
I just don't believe LE is keeping information close to their vests. Rather, they seem to be flitting from a part of one county to a different direction in the same or another county, which makes me believe they don't have a clue where Holly could be. How long will it be before people around the area figure out the current strategy isn't working?
I really see no need for the family to come forward and beg for Holly to be returned. In fact I think that is just an added weight families have to carry if they do speak out. It certainly isn't going to make a difference to the perp that abducted Holly except maybe to feed his fiendish ego. IMO, Holly is not coming home alive and the suspect does not have one bit of compassion for Holly or her family. He hides.........like the stinking coward he is.
And so many times when a family does speak out they are so criticized and critiqued on what they say, how they say it, all the way down to how they bat their eyes or how they wear their hair.... so really what good does that do in finding Holly?
If LE is not asking for help it is because they have evidence to believe that Holly is deceased, imo and they are already pursuing a suspect or have certain suspects in mind.
If by some miracle Holly is out there alive somewhere her photos has been put out in numbers in the MSM and the internet so if spotted people will call in, imo.
This missing person case is only three weeks old and sometimes they are hard to solve because the person has just vanished but then sometimes LE does find evidence or gets that vital tip that will solve the case. So I have hope Holly's case will be one of those solved.
IMO
nursebeeme
05-02-2011, 08:14 AM
good morning peeps..
I think I recall upstream someone asked if they were searching today:
Investigators have been working in the county and looking further into the case from the command center, but no one was out searching for Bobo on Sunday, he said. Because of weather, there may not be any search teams sent out today, but investigators will continue to work, Mehr said.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110502/NEWS01/105020319
SunSoaker
05-02-2011, 08:53 AM
blood is not rumored. and it was found at the carport. and it was not a "lethal" amount of blood. whatever that means.
so we know there was blood found at the carport .... we just don't know anything about the blood.
Newb alert. Well, not a newbie to crime forums, but new here. There have been many comments I wanted to reply to, but was waiting on registration and the admins here have no doubt have been busy.
I have about 6 pages of reading to catch up on from last night. So, please excuse me if I speak to something that has already been asked, answered, etc.
Just a few thoughts for now. Oh, almost forgot. Because of the amount of mis-communication and eroneously posted facts from the media, I'm basically to the point that if I can't see it on video coming straight from an officials mouth, I file it away with a grain of salt. Ok, back to my thoughts..
1. The blood and it's location. - There is a video posted in a case file on another website where Lt. Wilbanks is asked a question about the blood. His response was, "We did find some blood there just outside the door". He didn't specify if it was a car door, or house door.
2. The question about who made what calls and to who the morning of Holly's disappearance. I saw someone posting a theory that had CB calling DS when he realized his sisters car was still there. And then, calling his Mom. - If I were CB my FIRST call would have been to Holly herself to ask, "Hey, where are you"? (let me insert here that I do NOT believe CB is involved in her disappearance).
3. The searchers on their hands and knees looking for what most have assumed might be cigarette butts. - I believe most people could see those with the naked eye. My hunch on what they were searching for was a SIM card to the phone that was allegedly found there. SIM cards are very tiny, and would be tough to find if you weren't on your hands and knees.
The SIM card in and of itself would not be useful to the investigation unless it had fingerprints on it from someone they considered a POI. I say this because, the SIM card regardless of what phone it was used in would have had it's calls recorded by the carrier. Which means, LE would already have access to phone records and activity.
Thems my thoughts fer' now.
shefner
05-02-2011, 08:58 AM
Welcome to WebSleuths, SunSoaker!!
MimmieMoo
05-02-2011, 09:18 AM
I think my brain has gone numb trying to figure all this out. I'm a semi-local, meaning I live in A town very close to Parsons. A large amount of the searchers are people from my town. It is really like one big community and I've known Holly's cousin for several years. I have replayed every possible scenario of her abduction in my head and somehow none of them make sense... Of course everyone is frustrated here and wants answers, but it doesn't look like that will happen. I wish they would release something, just to give a little more hope. There are so many rumors going around it will make your head spin.
AuburnPoet
05-02-2011, 09:27 AM
Just out of curiosity, what are TN's laws regarding cell phones and driving?
Not talking but texting is.
Talking is prohibited for learners and bus drivers only.
http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/bystate/tn.html
http://handsfreeinfo.com/tennessee-cell-phone-laws-legislation
"■Text messaging prohibited while operating a motor vehicle in Tennessee.
■Drivers with learner’s permits or intermediate licenses are prohibited from using cell phones while driving.
■School bus operators prohibited from using cell phones while driving, if passengers are present.
■Installation or use of video monitors in a motor vehicle are prohibited if the intent is to provide entertainment or business content for the driver."
fedfan4life
05-02-2011, 09:56 AM
lol.
I think the post meant that the police interviewed/canvassed the neighborhood and at that point when they spoke to the neighbor who heard the scream, the scream was reported - from memory.
IMO, that might just be how it got reported. Very possible.
I recall the neighbor scream report was that it was heard at the time the neighbor was going to work - (if so... they could time the scream by the leaving for work time).
I'm sorry, can't remember when, but I think I read that early on. Anyone recall?
Correct. Thank you for the clarification...
The obvious question is why would someone not report a scream when it occurs. But, think about it - How many times do you hear something odd, then you look around and listen, then nothing else happens. More often than not, you brush it off.
I personally try to be diligent, sometimes to my own embarrassment. A few months back, I heard what I thought was my neighbor being assaulted by someone in her home. Turns out that she had just installed a new sound system, and I was hearing the movie that she was watching :)
TxLady2
05-02-2011, 09:56 AM
I really see no need for the family to come forward and beg for Holly to be returned. In fact I think that is just an added weight families have to carry if they do speak out. It certainly isn't going to make a difference to the perp that abducted Holly except maybe to feed his fiendish ego. IMO, Holly is not coming home alive and the suspect does not have one bit of compassion for Holly or her family. He hides.........like the stinking coward he is.
And so many times when a family does speak out they are so criticized and critiqued on what they say, how they say it, all the way down to how they bat their eyes or how they wear their hair.... so really what good does that do in finding Holly?
If LE is not asking for help it is because they have evidence to believe that Holly is deceased, imo and they are already pursuing a suspect or have certain suspects in mind.
If by some miracle Holly is out there alive somewhere her photos has been put out in numbers in the MSM and the internet so if spotted people will call in, imo.
This missing person case is only three weeks old and sometimes they are hard to solve because the person has just vanished but then sometimes LE does find evidence or gets that vital tip that will solve the case. So I have hope Holly's case will be one of those solved.
IMO
Very well said! Thank you for saying what I am thinking!
Some families are just very private, they might find it hard to speak out in public. Especially considering, as you said, their words are always picked over and taken apart and analyzed endlessly. I would find it difficult myself.
As for how LE is handling this, I can't speak for them, but I have to believe there is a reason for what they're doing, and why they aren't telling the public any details right now.
I will continue to pray every day that Holly is found soon and that her family will have the strength to get through this somehow.
Eileen730
05-02-2011, 10:02 AM
Very well said! Thank you for saying what I am thinking!
Some families are just very private, they might find it hard to speak out in public. Especially considering, as you said, their words are always picked over and taken apart and analyzed endlessly. I would find it difficult myself.
As for how LE is handling this, I can't speak for them, but I have to believe there is a reason for what they're doing, and why they aren't telling the public any details right now.
I will continue to pray every day that Holly is found soon and that her family will have the strength to get through this somehow.
I think what happening here is that there is sooooooooooo much silence ppl just want someone to say Something, anything at all.
Many ppl see silence as covering up things we see it here all day long
conspiracy. coverups. someone in a high standing in a community.
In my opinion if the rumors are going to stop someone that has some ans is the only one to stop em.. JMO and my :twocents:
MILofForensicSpecTBI
05-02-2011, 10:07 AM
Correct. Thank you for the clarification...
The obvious question is why would someone not report a scream when it occurs. But, think about it - How many times do you hear something odd, then you look around and listen, then nothing else happens. More often than not, you brush it off.
I personally try to be diligent, sometimes to my own embarrassment. A few months back, I heard what I thought was my neighbor being assaulted by someone in her home. Turns out that she had just installed a new sound system, and I was hearing the movie that she was watching :)
When I was a teen growing up in Chicago...I was walking home from my summer job one evening and heard screams...I looked in the direction of the screams, heard nothing further and continued to walk home. I later found out that a woman had been raped and murdered in an alley near where I heard the screams. That fact has continued to haunt me my entire life. Of course back then there were no cell phones, and I'm not sure what Chicago police would have done if I called when I got home to tell them I heard screams, it was Chicago after all! But it bothers me that I did not call. If I heard screams now, I would at the very least investigate if possible, and if not, I'd call the police and report what I had heard.
fedfan4life
05-02-2011, 10:09 AM
2. The question about who made what calls and to who the morning of Holly's disappearance. I saw someone posting a theory that had CB calling DS when he realized his sisters car was still there. And then, calling his Mom. - If I were CB my FIRST call would have been to Holly herself to ask, "Hey, where are you"? (let me insert here that I do NOT believe CB is involved in her disappearance).
Agree... But, my assumption is that there was no answer by Holly. Then, @ that point, calls were made to boyfriend, then mom.
Someone just suggested that perhaps Holly did answer that call. Good thought. Now, that would likely prompt Clint to call 911 immediately, followed by a call to mom. But, there would be no need for a 2nd call to authorities, if Clint reported that he had already contacted 911.
All just speculation...
SurfieTX
05-02-2011, 10:20 AM
This may have been mentioned before, but it was a thought that occurred to me last night. I wonder if Holly used the "foursquare" app on her phone. It's popular with many young adults/teens and IMO, a stalker's paradise.
SunSoaker
05-02-2011, 10:32 AM
Welcome to WebSleuths, SunSoaker!!
Thank you, shefner. :sunshine:
Phew, finally caught up on the posts from last evening, and this morning.
I have the same frustations that most of you have with the lack of information, wrong information, no pressers, the family's seclusion, and the un- answered questions by LE to even the most basic questions.
However, it took me until the 29th to put together what I thought/think could be a plausible theory for why all this has been happening (or not happening). Keep in mind this is IMO, which is based on nothing but reading comments made by other posters and forums all over the internet. So, here goes.
The POI(s) (if there is more than one) may not be a wealthy person but may be a person in a position of power/influence/highly respected in the community, etc. They could be wealthy, but in a town as small as Darden, your position in the community may be more important than your wealth.
This person would have a job that would allow him to be unaccounted for, for long periods of time. Someone like a contracter, a farmer, a cop, a pastor, a landscaper, etc. Any kind of profession that would allow someone to be un-accounted for, for just a few hours would have had an opportunity. This person may have also slipped themselves into the investigation and the search without seeming out of place because of who they are. This, would put them in the perfect position to throw off suspicion, and stay informed about the investigation itself.
If the POI is a young person, all of the above still applies, but instead of applying to the POI directly it applies to his parents, who are aware and protecting him. For the reasons I just noted I've finally been able to at least justify why we have heard basically nothing substantial about this case from LE.
In justifying the family's silence (which IMO, is atypical of these kinds of cases), I assume that is due in part, if not in whole at the encouragement of LE (see part 1).
Which brings me to the part 2 of my theory...
Clint's initial statement was that he saw a person who he believed to be Holly's boyfriend leading her into the woods.
What IF after some hard thinking, further recollection, and maybe even him just putting a few things together for himself, they (he and the family, and now LE) have realized they know exactly who it is, but because of WHO it is they are recluctant to release this information until they can either A.) Prove it, or B.) he messes up and makes a mistake.
If this person is someone (or part of a family) who is influential or highly respected in the community I can completely understand why the Bobo's and LE are being so tight lipped. If they come out and name a POI and they turned out to be wrong, that tiny town would have strife among family, friends and neighbors for years to come. They definitely don't want to set up a Hatfield and McCoy situation, that's for sure.
If I were Clint, and I had come to realize who the person was that morning I would definitely think that it is in my, and my family's best interest to keep a lid on it (with the exception being LE). You for sure don't want to ring that bell, knowing you can't un-ring it.
Again, this is ALL JMO. And, it's the only thing that has kept me sane for the past couple of days. Now, if or when something happens to blow my theory out of the water, I'll be back to obsessively looking for news every 10 minutes. :banghead:
TxLady2
05-02-2011, 10:36 AM
I think what happening here is that there is sooooooooooo much silence ppl just want someone to say Something, anything at all.
Many ppl see silence as covering up things we see it here all day long
conspiracy. coverups. someone in a high standing in a community.
In my opinion if the rumors are going to stop someone that has some ans is the only one to stop em.. JMO and my :twocents:
You're right, many people do see silence as covering up, but I just don't think this is true in this case. I could be wrong, they just haven't struck me as that kind of folks.
I was reading elsewhere and followed a discussion of several pages, regarding why the mom's eye makeup wasn't running, if she was really crying in that one t.v. interview. Honestly, has no one heard of waterproof mascara?? I wear it a lot, especially when I go out in town, because my eyes water from allergies. It just seems that a few seem to look for something to gossip about and if it's not there, they make it up. Not referring to anyone here, this board tries to squash most rumors, thank goodness!!
Eileen730
05-02-2011, 11:08 AM
Very quiet in here today!
Im not so sure they are going to find Holly!
Im not so sure they have much of anything!
A lunch tote!
Whatever else they found may not have belonged to her at all.
If thats all they have then they dont have anything.
We dont know that the neighbor called one of the Bobo's after hearing a scream
from what i recall clint called after he saw the blood. So clint wasnt worried that she walked off with her BF . I wonder where the BF works?
So many questions not any ans :banghead:
norest4thewicked
05-02-2011, 11:10 AM
Very quiet in here today!
Im not so sure they are going to find Holly!
Im not so sure they have much of anything!
A lunch tote!
Whatever else they found may not have belonged to her at all.
If thats all they have then they dont have anything.
We dont know that the neighbor called one of the Bobo's after hearing a scream
from what i recall clint called after he saw the blood. So clint wasnt worried that she walked off with her BF . I wonder where the BF works?
So many questions not any ans :banghead:
Yep...I imagine this thread will go by the wayside as others have...and that saddens me. I agree that what we actually KNOW as fact is not much at all. Hoping LE knows more!
Yellow Rose
05-02-2011, 11:19 AM
Very quiet in here today!
Im not so sure they are going to find Holly!
Im not so sure they have much of anything!
A lunch tote!
Whatever else they found may not have belonged to her at all.
If thats all they have then they dont have anything.
We dont know that the neighbor called one of the Bobo's after hearing a scream
from what i recall clint called after he saw the blood. So clint wasnt worried that she walked off with her BF . I wonder where the BF works?
So many questions not any ans :banghead:
Unfortunately for the family it is BOUND to go quiet on the boards and the news and the tip lines if nothing is heard by the investigators. They have abolished the searches and help from the public and are doing all of that themselves. When there is nothing left to ponder, where does that leave the family? No answers? I truly hope they find this girl because if they do not I fear that plenty of locals will be extremely upset!
nursebeeme
05-02-2011, 11:20 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20058827-504083.html
police search for Holly Bobo continues
mkay882
05-02-2011, 11:22 AM
With all the days of "no news" I fear searches will soon cease altogether.
Holly may be another of those missing for a long while. :(
CocoChanel
05-02-2011, 11:49 AM
[QUOTE=sunsoaker
....
If I were Clint, and I had come to realize who the person was that morning I would definitely think that it is in my, and my family's best interest to keep a lid on it (with the exception being LE). You for sure don't want to ring that bell, knowing you can't un-ring it.
Again, this is ALL JMO. And, it's the only thing that has kept me sane for the past couple of days. Now, if or when something happens to blow my theory out of the water, I'll be back to obsessively looking for news every 10 minutes. :banghead:[/QUOTE]
....respectfully snipped by me.
YES, BUT.....if I were a person who absolutely had NOTHING to do with this disappearance, and had been mistakenly identified as someone Clint thought he saw with Holly that morning, I WOULD NOT BE OFFENDED AND WOULD RELISH THE CHANCE TO HELP FURTHER THIS CASE ALONG BY PROVING I WAS ELSEWHERE. oops sorry for the shouting..... I just feel very strongly that in this situation it is not because of the chance of FALSELY accusing someone of involvement, but most likely because it is a POSITIVE ID, but eyewitness accounts can be torn apart so easily that LE has to have alot more than that to make an arrest.
grandmaj
05-02-2011, 11:58 AM
Please remember scanner chatter cannot be brought to this thread. Thanks!
Emma Peel
05-02-2011, 12:00 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20058827-504083.html
police search for Holly Bobo continues
Police say they have begun the process of identifying persons of interest in the case.
Observation:
Crimesider has not changed that sentence for a week now.
Conclusion:
Crimesider is ... lazy? :banghead:
Eileen730
05-02-2011, 12:04 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20058827-504083.html
police search for Holly Bobo continues
In that article it says this!
While police initially believed an abductor dragged Bobo away as she left for school last Wednesday, investigators now suspect it was a community member in camouflage who led
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20058827-504083.html#ixzz1LDPuiSsM
Isnt it still an abductor even if it is a Community Member?
Or do they think she went with him?
Shouldnt that read they now believe the abductor was a community member?
Or am i reading it wrong?
Some Beach
05-02-2011, 12:08 PM
Please remember scanner chatter cannot be brought to this thread. Thanks!
I apologize for my error. With what came from my post - just as well that it was deleted!
Thank you.
dianna
05-02-2011, 12:12 PM
totally off topic, but please pray for the safety of our troops and the safety of all people here in the u.s. our troops killed bin laden. and, no, i do not know where else to post this, so, please leave it here - because an awful lot of you have hearts of gold and believe in praying. as i do
thank you ahead of time for the prayers
nursebeeme
05-02-2011, 12:13 PM
Observation:
Crimesider has not changed that sentence for a week now.
Conclusion:
Crimesider is ... lazy? :banghead:
LOL.. they shore is lazy! However, they are one of the few that keep her name out there...
I give them kudos for that...
Emma Peel
05-02-2011, 01:28 PM
In that article it says this!
While police initially believed an abductor dragged Bobo away as she left for school last Wednesday, investigators now suspect it was a community member in camouflage who led
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20058827-504083.html#ixzz1LDPuiSsM
Isnt it still an abductor even if it is a Community Member?
Or do they think she went with him?
Shouldnt that read they now believe the abductor was a community member?
Or am i reading it wrong?
You have found yet another sentence in the new article that is exactly the same sentence that they've been publishing for a week.
Crimesider is: (pick one)
Lazy
Lazy Lazy
Worthless and Lazy
Keeping Holly's name and pix out there.
:waitasec:
Hard to decide, isn't it? :cow:
So sad that all news is old news and there is no news to be had about Holly.
Mountain_Kat
05-02-2011, 01:45 PM
I'm gonna go with all of the above.
Rallihanna
05-02-2011, 01:53 PM
Wow this has become such a stalled thread.
SunSoaker
05-02-2011, 02:14 PM
....respectfully snipped by me.
YES, BUT.....if I were a person who absolutely had NOTHING to do with this disappearance, and had been mistakenly identified as someone Clint thought he saw with Holly that morning, I WOULD NOT BE OFFENDED AND WOULD RELISH THE CHANCE TO HELP FURTHER THIS CASE ALONG BY PROVING I WAS ELSEWHERE.
And respectfully, re-snipped (lol)...
I completely agree with you. And, I'm guessing I probably wasn't clear on this so for the sake of discussion I'll try and explain myself better (cuz I'm confusing like that). Lets say CB said he thought it was DS, but after the adrenaline and panic and all out chaos started to wear down, maybe even by that afternoon or evening he thought to himself, "Hey... wait a minute, that hat, or those boots, or jacket actually looked like Joe Blows hat, boots, or jacket. If he started second guessing himself and got to thinking it might have been someone else he may have given LE another name of who he thought it could have been. And, that other name might be someone who would fall into the categories mentioned in my theory, and why I believe LE is being so hush hush.
I know that no one has been officially ruled out, or in for that matter. But, I really feel that the person who took her was someone that was either infatuated with her, or just plain stalked her.
Oriah
05-02-2011, 02:16 PM
Well we can always bump her up here. Lots of eyes read WS.
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
Has anyone found anything in MSM describing the specific type of camo the individual was wearing? I've been curious about that.
wfgodot
05-02-2011, 02:16 PM
I don't think it's fair to blame TBI or LE .... typically media attention is generated when members of the family speak out and become active in getting attention. For whatever reason, the family is not seeking this kind of media attention at the moment.
Yes, but both LE and the family are paying a price for their silence - decreased public interest in the case is not conducive to support for the search for Holly or for her (alleged) abductor(s). The media has already moved on. I believe that publicity helps to solve cases.
wfgodot
05-02-2011, 02:20 PM
Well we can always bump her up here. Lots of eyes read WS.
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
Has anyone found anything in MSM describing the specific type of camo the individual was wearing? I've been curious about that.
Not that I've seen on the camo. Then again, we don't even know via MSM or LE what sort of footwear Holly was wearing. Described early on by some sites as "tennis shoes," there is no mention of footwear at all on her FBI poster.
OldSteve
05-02-2011, 02:32 PM
Yes, but both LE and the family are paying a price for their silence - decreased public interest in the case is not conducive to support for the search for Holly or for her (alleged) abductor(s). The media has already moved on. I believe that publicity helps to solve cases.
I believe the less the public knows about details the better when a perp is brought to trial, especially if it turns out to be case based on circumstantial evidence.
ETA - by details I mean things that really don't help catch the perp(s). Sure, if they know a person is being transported in a particular vehicle - release that info. But info which might help defense lawyers or work against trapping a perp in lies - keep those secret. And since they may not know ahead of time which things will work to LE's advantage - if in doubt, don't spout out info ( okay trying to be too clever, sorry.)
sumzero
05-02-2011, 02:49 PM
I believe the less the public knows about details the better when a perp is brought to trial, especially if it turns out to be case based on circumstantial evidence.
I imagine that the Bobos are following the advice of LE at this point. Who knows? LE might take a different approach in the future. They might decide to release more information. They might encourage the Bobos to make a public statement. For now, though, it looks as if LE is still following up on leads. Besides, it is not as if this case has received no attention. It has, in fact, received a lot of attention. Plus, a large reward. Plus, the celebrity connection. If this case is not solved, it will not be, IMO, because LE refused to release more information or because the family chose to remain silent at this time.
CocoChanel
05-02-2011, 03:39 PM
And respectfully, re-snipped (lol)...
I completely agree with you. And, I'm guessing I probably wasn't clear on this so for the sake of discussion I'll try and explain myself better (cuz I'm confusing like that). Lets say CB said he thought it was DS, but after the adrenaline and panic and all out chaos started to wear down, maybe even by that afternoon or evening he thought to himself, "Hey... wait a minute, that hat, or those boots, or jacket actually looked like Joe Blows hat, boots, or jacket. If he started second guessing himself and got to thinking it might have been someone else he may have given LE another name of who he thought it could have been. And, that other name might be someone who would fall into the categories mentioned in my theory, and why I believe LE is being so hush hush.
I know that no one has been officially ruled out, or in for that matter. But, I really feel that the person who took her was someone that was either infatuated with her, or just plain stalked her.
Ahhhh...got it! It would be LE making the decision not to go public with more details of camo guy. I am on board with that!
And that Joe Blow guy sure gets around. I see Joe Blow on the street all the time LOLOL! :floorlaugh:
(sorry...sometimes I gotta laugh at my own jokes just to keep myself company yknow?)
ensht
05-02-2011, 03:47 PM
Sadly I no longer believe this case is going anywhere fast. Maybe that's by design, maybe they are following protocol because they know who did this or who has her. But I'm starting to doubt that too.
As others have said I hope the case is that they are still sitting on someone because if they aren't the national public has moved on and if the case has extended outside of central TN - out of sight out of mind.
As far as the Bobo's are concerned I think they're staying quiet because that is what LE is telling them to do. If it's a personal thing which many have seemed to suspect from day one better to diffuse the situation through silence.
I really hope and I guess I still believe when we look back on this case we'll see they had someone under their thumb the entire time and were trying to not make a bad situation worse. But at week 3, I have a very hard time believing this hasn't gone from an abduction case, to a homicide.
Yellow Rose
05-02-2011, 03:48 PM
Yes, I thought it quite ODD that Whitney Duncan just completely STOPPED all talk of HB after the "find" that Sunday and all chatter from LE stopped at same time (if you can even call is chatter from LE, {I for one am being a tad sarcastic me thinks}). Searches by public stopped. Everything related to HB stopped on that day. Sorta makes you stop and wonder.......
ensht
05-02-2011, 04:06 PM
Yes, I thought it quite ODD that Whitney Duncan just completely STOPPED all talk of HB after the "find" that Sunday and all chatter from LE stopped at same time (if you can even call is chatter from LE, {I for one am being a tad sarcastic me thinks}). Searches by public stopped. Everything related to HB stopped on that day. Sorta makes you stop and wonder.......
Whatever they found that day changed the focus of this investigation. The quote from Helms about focusing on a suspect or narrowing on a suspect.....
I know the weather has been bad but there is no talk now of volunteer searches at all. They were called out that day, found something(s) and then that's been it. You'd think if they were hot on a new trail it would be all hands on deck.
I half wonder if they had conclusive proof from that day of one thing or another....that she was alive somewhere, or that she was no longer with us. Sadly I believe it was the latter.
I still hope each day that this will end well, but it's just a lot of days now.
Yellow Rose
05-02-2011, 04:16 PM
For all intents and purposes, all info ceased to exist from that day forward. Do any of the locals know if the house is still being "guarded"? Has anyone come up with any theories on this? Are they guarding it from the media or from the perp, or both? I don't honestly believe they are guarding it from the perp (s). Why in the world would someone come back and commit another crime?
maskedwoman
05-02-2011, 04:18 PM
Trapped in a meeting today, I was noodling (again!) about the deafening silence from LE on this case and other recent cases, such as Kyron's. And I began to wonder if we might have a a certain high profile case in Florida, and the daily forays into uncharted bizarreness, to thank for LE being reluctant to have tooo much media focus on other cases.
Can anyone point to a case since Caylee's disappearance where LE didn't turn into a black hole - except for the bodies found in Long Island. I tend to discount that one since the police commissioner apparently got fired for saying too much to the media.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/27/police-commissioner-overseeing-ny-serial-killer-probe-reportedly-ousted-post/
Looking forward to your thoughts,
MsFacetious
05-02-2011, 04:55 PM
....respectfully snipped by me.
YES, BUT.....if I were a person who absolutely had NOTHING to do with this disappearance, and had been mistakenly identified as someone Clint thought he saw with Holly that morning, I WOULD NOT BE OFFENDED AND WOULD RELISH THE CHANCE TO HELP FURTHER THIS CASE ALONG BY PROVING I WAS ELSEWHERE. oops sorry for the shouting..... I just feel very strongly that in this situation it is not because of the chance of FALSELY accusing someone of involvement, but most likely because it is a POSITIVE ID, but eyewitness accounts can be torn apart so easily that LE has to have alot more than that to make an arrest.
That is great if you CAN prove where you were. But what if you were asleep and only your spouse could verify it? Or you were driving and you were alone?
A couple of people were cleared in Elizabeth Smart's case with airtight alibis such as being hospitalized. But if you have the misfortune of being home asleep instead of in jail or surgery... you may just be screwed.
Even if they believe they are SURE they know who took Holly... I am SO grateful they are not naming the person. I hope that they are also not discounting other leads. I do not want to see a repeat of Elizabeth where Holly has to be missing twice as long because of screw ups.
Especially if the family isn't going to be battling. If Elizabeth's family had just sat back and let law enforcement investigate... I don't know if or when Elizabeth would have been found or how many other girls would have been taken.
For those not familiar with details of Elizabeth Smart's case:
Richard Ricci who had burglarized the Smart home had no problem with doing everything he could to clear himself in Elizabeth Smart's abduction.
It didn't matter that he had an alibi, it wasn't good enough.
It didn't matter that his alibi passed a polygraph about his whereabouts that night.
It didn't matter that he passed a polygraph test after the first was inconclusive.
It didn't matter that he gave DNA, his vehicle and 26 hours of questioning.
It didn't matter that Elizabeth's sibling who witnessed the abduction immediately said that isn't the guy that took my sister.
The police locked in on him, decided he did it, decided he killed her and that was that.
He died two months after her disappearance, in jail for drinking a beer on probation. Everyone felt that they would never find Elizabeth, that her location died with him.
Police said he was the top suspect and there was not even a close second.
Despite Elizabeth's sister remembering the real suspect's name 4 months after her abduction and the family identifying him, getting pictures and information... Richard Ricci remained a suspect.
Police refused to publicize the information about the man Elizabeth's sister said took her.
There was many things pointing to this man as a suspect, including history of sexual abuse of girls and being in the area at the time of the abduction.
Police would do nothing except claim they were investigating.
The Mayor even expressed concern in a letter about their tunnel vision.
The Smart family after 4 months of getting no help from law enforcement... finally with the help of an FBI Agent that had been working very closely with them, got the case on America's Most Wanted 8 months after her abduction.
That FBI Agent was promptly removed from the case and ordered not to have contact with the family.
After the show aired, people called in tips directly to local police saying they had seen Elizabeth with this man and police didn't call them back.
When police did answer they were often dismissed and told that police already had the man who took Elizabeth.
People actually went straight to the Smart family to make sure they got information.
Within the month Elizabeth was found alive with the man her sister said took her, 9 months after her abduction.
The same man police refused to name as a suspect or help publicize... so the family had to do so after Elizabeth's abduction.
Only THEN was Richard Ricci cleared of Elizabeth's abduction.
The sad thing is... that is just the tip of the iceberg. At least it didn't cost Elizabeth her life... only a few months of it.
I really hope that LE in Holly's case is doing a better job.
TxLady2
05-02-2011, 05:09 PM
Thank you, shefner. :sunshine:
Phew, finally caught up on the posts from last evening, and this morning.
I have the same frustations that most of you have with the lack of information, wrong information, no pressers, the family's seclusion, and the un- answered questions by LE to even the most basic questions.
However, it took me until the 29th to put together what I thought/think could be a plausible theory for why all this has been happening (or not happening). Keep in mind this is IMO, which is based on nothing but reading comments made by other posters and forums all over the internet. So, here goes.
The POI(s) (if there is more than one) may not be a wealthy person but may be a person in a position of power/influence/highly respected in the community, etc. They could be wealthy, but in a town as small as Darden, your position in the community may be more important than your wealth.
This person would have a job that would allow him to be unaccounted for, for long periods of time. Someone like a contracter, a farmer, a cop, a pastor, a landscaper, etc. Any kind of profession that would allow someone to be un-accounted for, for just a few hours would have had an opportunity. This person may have also slipped themselves into the investigation and the search without seeming out of place because of who they are. This, would put them in the perfect position to throw off suspicion, and stay informed about the investigation itself.
If the POI is a young person, all of the above still applies, but instead of applying to the POI directly it applies to his parents, who are aware and protecting him. For the reasons I just noted I've finally been able to at least justify why we have heard basically nothing substantial about this case from LE.
In justifying the family's silence (which IMO, is atypical of these kinds of cases), I assume that is due in part, if not in whole at the encouragement of LE (see part 1).
Which brings me to the part 2 of my theory...
Clint's initial statement was that he saw a person who he believed to be Holly's boyfriend leading her into the woods.
What IF after some hard thinking, further recollection, and maybe even him just putting a few things together for himself, they (he and the family, and now LE) have realized they know exactly who it is, but because of WHO it is they are recluctant to release this information until they can either A.) Prove it, or B.) he messes up and makes a mistake.
If this person is someone (or part of a family) who is influential or highly respected in the community I can completely understand why the Bobo's and LE are being so tight lipped. If they come out and name a POI and they turned out to be wrong, that tiny town would have strife among family, friends and neighbors for years to come. They definitely don't want to set up a Hatfield and McCoy situation, that's for sure.
If I were Clint, and I had come to realize who the person was that morning I would definitely think that it is in my, and my family's best interest to keep a lid on it (with the exception being LE). You for sure don't want to ring that bell, knowing you can't un-ring it.
Again, this is ALL JMO. And, it's the only thing that has kept me sane for the past couple of days. Now, if or when something happens to blow my theory out of the water, I'll be back to obsessively looking for news every 10 minutes. :banghead:
Good points.
I live in a very small community, but somehow I just can't wrap my head around a state agency letting something like power, influence and money stand in their way when upholding the law. I doubt that TBI is holding back information because some POI is wealthy or has power in the community. More like they don't want to tip the person off that they are on to him, or they believe he is still holding Holly hostage and they are not going to endanger her life. A rich family might be able to buy the local police off for a time, but not the state bureau of investigation, IMO.
LE very often doesn't name POI's or suspects early on. In some cases the public has not been given a clue until we watch the perp walk on the evening news. They do all the sleuthing while leaving us in the dark until they slap the handcuffs on them and escort them to the county jail. This case is really not all that unusual.
atlat
05-02-2011, 05:12 PM
Yes, I thought it quite ODD that Whitney Duncan just completely STOPPED all talk of HB after the "find" that Sunday and all chatter from LE stopped at same time (if you can even call is chatter from LE, {I for one am being a tad sarcastic me thinks}). Searches by public stopped. Everything related to HB stopped on that day. Sorta makes you stop and wonder....... Whitney didn't stop talking about Holly after the find. The find was Easter Sunday. The very next day, the 25th, Whitney tweeted things related to Holly four different times. This is one of the four. http://twitter.com/whitneyduncan/status/62565629919641601
wfgodot
05-02-2011, 05:13 PM
Welcome to WS, atlat.
BeanE
05-02-2011, 05:16 PM
Well we can always bump her up here. Lots of eyes read WS.
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
Has anyone found anything in MSM describing the specific type of camo the individual was wearing? I've been curious about that.
The only further description I've seen is a video interview of the sheriff where the reporter asks if the perp was in camo, and the sheriff replies, "yes, full camo". So that word "full" is the only descriptor I've seen/heard.
I'm thinking shirt, jacket, pants, boots, and gloves are pretty much a given, and then on his head, probably a hat, jacket hood, and/or ski mask. He probably did not wear a helmet, and he may have painted part or all of his face if he wasn't wearing a ski mask.
Since there was no hair description at all, I'm assuming he had on a hood, or a hat that fully covered his hair.
Since he was described as "white", I'm assuming he did not have on gloves, or did not have a ski mask or a fully painted face - some part of his skin that could be seen from the back had to be uncovered.
It's such a generic description of this guy. :(
ensht
05-02-2011, 05:22 PM
Probable cause. They can't go kicking in doors unless they have what they need. Knowing who it is is one thing, being able to get a search warrant is another.
I believe the family is being kept out of the light for a specific reason and it probably has to do with who they think the perp is AND their hope that she was still alive somewhere.
greengreen
05-02-2011, 05:22 PM
The only further description I've seen is a video interview of the sheriff where the reporter asks if the perp was in camo, and the sheriff replies, "yes, full camo". So that word "full" is the only descriptor I've seen/heard.
I'm thinking shirt, jacket, pants, boots, and gloves are pretty much a given, and then on his head, probably a hat, jacket hood, and/or ski mask. He probably did not wear a helmet, and he may have painted part or all of his face if he wasn't wearing a ski mask.
Since there was no hair description at all, I'm assuming he had on a hood, or a hat that fully covered his hair.
Since he was described as "white", I'm assuming he did not have on gloves, or did not have a ski mask or a fully painted face - some part of his skin that could be seen from the back had to be uncovered.
It's such a generic description of this guy. :(
Full camo here would not include a painted face or a ski mask. Since it is turkey seaon I would say he definitely could have had on a camo gaiter, possibly camo face mask, but you normally pull those off asap because it is warm here during season.
BeanE
05-02-2011, 05:26 PM
Some blood locations from various LE. They're all "on" or "in" the carport (lending support to Holly having encountered the perp in/at the carport, prolly at her car as the Sheriff surmised. MOO.)
- April 14 Midsouthnewz news article
The Decatur County Sheriff also revealed that investigators found blood in the carport
- April 18 CNN news article
Gwyn (Mark Gwyn, TBI Director) said Monday that DNA tests are being conducted to find out whose blood was found on the carport
- April 18 Commercial Appeal news article
Gwyn (Mark Gwyn, TBI Director) confirmed the presence of blood on Bobo’s carport
- April 19 News Channel 5 news article
Helm (Kristin Helm, TBI agent) said the crime lab is still analyzing blood found in a carport
- April 19 Fox News news article
A police source confirmed to FoxNews.com that a “small amount” of blood was found in the family’s carport
The URLs for the articles are linked on my timeline-in-progress page. I was too lazy to copy them over lol:
http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/holly-bobo-timeline/
Carla Lashelle
05-02-2011, 05:28 PM
Full camo here would not include a painted face or a ski mask. Since it is turkey seaon I would say he definitely could have had on a camo gaiter, possibly camo face mask, but you normally pull those off asap because it is warm here during season.
I would say he probably did not have his face covered since he was being described as white.
greengreen
05-02-2011, 05:31 PM
I would say he probably did not have his face covered since he was being described as white.
I'm thinking full camo in this situation would include a shirt and pants and maybe a cap. Probably nothing more.
Carla Lashelle
05-02-2011, 05:34 PM
I'm thinking full camo in this situation would include a shirt and pants and maybe a cap. Probably nothing more.
I agree and here in Florida in the city (Tampa) that is not unusual in the least. Even when I go fishin in the Gulf there are guys out there dressed like they would be hunting Elk or something.
greengreen
05-02-2011, 05:34 PM
I have a lot of hot opinions regarding this case. I smell Hink all over up. Its like Hailey Dunn all over again. There is no way any LE would stop me from getting on TV and putting my kids case out there. Nope, no way.
There is something very wrong about this case. I cant put my finger on it, but its odd how so little info has been released.I understand that more info will compromise the investigation, but come on.
I think if they were given reason to believe that the situation would become worse by them speaking out, they are doing what is best based on the information they have. And no one knows what they would do in that exact situation because we don't know what is going on "behind closed doors".
jabberwocky
05-02-2011, 05:44 PM
[QUOTE=Oriah;6423998]Well we can always bump her up here. Lots of eyes read WS.
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
Has anyone found anything in MSM describing the specific type of camo the individual was wearing? I've been curious about that.[
says full turkey camo in this article, according to a will nunley tweet
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/search-for-holly-bobo-local-reporter-jackets-jeans-courage-and-hope-needed
A source, Nunley tweeted, told him authorities say the victim appeared to have been “led” into the woods by a man wearing full “Turkey Camo.”
YellowDog
05-02-2011, 05:53 PM
If this, by any chance, was someone that doesn't hunt, LE might be able to get some clues by checking the stores around there for recent purchases of camo clothing in a men's L or XL size. If CB could give the color combo of the camo, it could even narrow it down a bit. Just a thought. This guy might not be a hunter at all but wanted to blend into the woods.
BeanE
05-02-2011, 05:53 PM
[QUOTE=Oriah;6423998]Well we can always bump her up here. Lots of eyes read WS.
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
Has anyone found anything in MSM describing the specific type of camo the individual was wearing? I've been curious about that.[
says full turkey camo in this article, according to a will nunley tweet
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/search-for-holly-bobo-local-reporter-jackets-jeans-courage-and-hope-needed
A source, Nunley tweeted, told him authorities say the victim appeared to have been “led” into the woods by a man wearing full “Turkey Camo.”
I just found an MSM source for that. An article I haven't seen before, containing a lot of Will Nunley's tweets. It's from WYCD radio:
Update 4/15/11 at 4:10 pm: Source: Victim appeared to be ‘led’ into the woods, by a man wearing full ‘Turkey Camo.’
http://wycd.radio.com/2011/04/19/country-artist-whitney-duncans-20-year-old-cousin-abducted/#ixzz1LEabmx78
Okay. What the heck is turkey camo?
jabberwocky
05-02-2011, 05:56 PM
The only further description I've seen is a video interview of the sheriff where the reporter asks if the perp was in camo, and the sheriff replies, "yes, full camo". So that word "full" is the only descriptor I've seen/heard.
I'm thinking shirt, jacket, pants, boots, and gloves are pretty much a given, and then on his head, probably a hat, jacket hood, and/or ski mask. He probably did not wear a helmet, and he may have painted part or all of his face if he wasn't wearing a ski mask.
Since there was no hair description at all, I'm assuming he had on a hood, or a hat that fully covered his hair.
Since he was described as "white", I'm assuming he did not have on gloves, or did not have a ski mask or a fully painted face - some part of his skin that could be seen from the back had to be uncovered.
It's such a generic description of this guy. :(
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap
I can't wrap my brain around the FBI poster that says 5'8"- 6' 200lbs
If someone was 5'8" and 200lbs, he would be obese! even at 6'-he'd be overweight
SunSoaker
05-02-2011, 05:57 PM
....I doubt that TBI is holding back information because some POI is wealthy or has power in the community. More like they don't want to tip the person off that they are on to him, .....
respectfully snipped...
I agree 100%, TXLady2. And that's exactly what I was trying to say in my earlier post,..but for some reason I couldn't get it to come out as plainly as you just said it. Thanks! :)
jabberwocky
05-02-2011, 05:58 PM
[quote=jabberwocky;6424845]
I just found an MSM source for that. An article I haven't seen before, containing a lot of Will Nunley's tweets. It's from WYCD radio:
Update 4/15/11 at 4:10 pm: Source: Victim appeared to be ‘led’ into the woods, by a man wearing full ‘Turkey Camo.’
http://wycd.radio.com/2011/04/19/country-artist-whitney-duncans-20-year-old-cousin-abducted/#ixzz1LEabmx78
Okay. What the heck is turkey camo?
I have no clue.....the only hunting I do is in the meat case at the grocery store
YellowDog
05-02-2011, 06:00 PM
I think turkey camo is a certain blend of colors in the camo fabric.
greengreen
05-02-2011, 06:01 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap
I can't wrap my brain around the FBI poster that says 5'8"- 6' 200lbs
If someone was 5'8" and 200lbs, he would be obese! even at 6'-he'd be overweight
I don't think being 6 foot and weighing 200 pounds is that bad myself. Please consider your audience. And does it really matter whether or not the person was overweight? Regardless, he took her.
greengreen
05-02-2011, 06:04 PM
[quote=jabberwocky;6424845]
I just found an MSM source for that. An article I haven't seen before, containing a lot of Will Nunley's tweets. It's from WYCD radio:
Update 4/15/11 at 4:10 pm: Source: Victim appeared to be ‘led’ into the woods, by a man wearing full ‘Turkey Camo.’
http://wycd.radio.com/2011/04/19/country-artist-whitney-duncans-20-year-old-cousin-abducted/#ixzz1LEabmx78
Okay. What the heck is turkey camo?
Turkey camo is usually referencing the weight of the camo. Obviously this pattern would have more green in it because of the season. There is also a type of turkey camo that has cut type places all over it (for lack of a better description) and it mimics the leaves blowing. It's usually windy here around this time.
WestCoastLady
05-02-2011, 06:05 PM
I think turkey camo is a certain blend of colors in the camo fabric.
I just google image'd it and didn't copy it over - because the best examples of "Turkey Camo" have dead turkeys in them.....ick.
BeanE
05-02-2011, 06:05 PM
I don't think being 6 foot and weighing 200 pounds is that bad myself. Please consider your audience. And does it really matter whether or not the person was overweight? Regardless, he took her.
Personally, I think it matters quite a bit whether or not he's obese. That information helps point people toward who he may be, which in turn inspires them to call in tips, which in turn helps LE find out what happened to Holly and where she is.
dotnetnow
05-02-2011, 06:09 PM
What I'm thinking today:
What is going on here? Is the manner this investigation is being handled good or bad? What happened to Holly?
This is all my opinion and mostly just me trying to evaluate what has happened against the potentialities.
Theory 1:
Known community member that is difficult to get at(legally) has abducted Holly and has her at his disposal.
-- I just can't imagine this as being possible. The amount of heat that would come down if we ever found out they didnt try to rescue her in this cirucumstance is unfathomable.
Theory 2: Someone took her and is running with her. LE thinks she is still alive, or could be.
-- In this scenario there would be no conceivable reason for LE not to put this info out so every pair of eyes in the nation is looking for her. If they think he's in deep woods its even better to tell everyone (he isnt likely getting the news) and bring in all the help you can to search (nat'l guard, army rangers, navy seals, I dont care Im sure lots of professionals would help). The debunk for this is that it would potentially put Holly at risk. A reasonable assessment is she is already at huge risk, better to tell!
Theory 3: LE has a POI, has no idea about Holly. Have seen POI for a long time and been watching him with no clue from his behavior leading them to Holly.
--As long as this has been going on, this scenario doesn't look good for Holly. Every time I can think of where LE had a POI to go after they did. Even if they are wrong or have thin evidence they hound that person looking for cracks in the case. Even if the person has legal council they bring something to bear on him because any sort of public scrutiny puts pressure on the subject. The subject cant just say "Ill say nothing" because it looks suspicious. Usually (even with their lawyer) they are going to talk enough to try to show thier innocence and possibly give something away in their story or their demeanor that gives LE more leverage. I dont know that this behavior is ethical, but I know LE does it.
Theory 4:
LE had some clues, they ran them down and thought they were making progress, but they are left with nothing useful. They are following up all potential leads, but nothing is panning out.
-- This is what the facts in the case are pointing to. I know I hear people "rumor" that this isn't it but no one even the people supposedly with more info is giving any info that doesnt fit into the above theories which seem very implausible.
Theory 5:
LE has used antiquated techniques to manage this case allowed it to run cold. The locals are all very mum because they've heard from LE this is important, they are loyal good citizens and will do anything to help Holly if they believe its the right thing to do. Holly is lost and who knows how long until we find out a little more of what happened to her.
--My choice is a combination of 4 & 5.
This breaks my heart. I really want the fairytale story where she is found alive, nothing terribly bad happened to her and we all get to rejoice. I even settle for a slightly more realistic tale that says she is found alive, she is traumatised, but re-united with her family.
I try to believe it, but believing doesnt make it so! I guess all I got is "believe"... thinking positive isnt hurting anything.
jabberwocky
05-02-2011, 06:09 PM
I don't think being 6 foot and weighing 200 pounds is that bad myself. Please consider your audience. And does it really matter whether or not the person was overweight? Regardless, he took her.
I'm just saying that if someone is 5'8" and 200lbs, people should be looking for a stocky male as opposed to a slender male.... sorry if i offended anyone-that was not my intention
BeanE
05-02-2011, 06:10 PM
I just google image'd it and didn't copy it over - because the best examples of "Turkey Camo" have dead turkeys in them.....ick.
I'm googling too. Lord God, I never knew there were so many different types of camo.
belimom
05-02-2011, 06:12 PM
I think 6' tall and 200 lbs could mean different things. Muscle weighs more than fat so if he works out, etc., then that could be muscle mass/bulk.
greengreen
05-02-2011, 06:13 PM
Personally, I think it matters quite a bit whether or not he's obese. That information helps point people toward who he may be, which in turn inspires them to call in tips, which in turn helps LE find out what happened to Holly and where she is.
After today I have decided I am not going to be able to post anymore. I hope I have helped with giving local insight but at this point it's just talking about LE and lack of info. It's not our place to know this information. They never asked us to look for a particular person. They asked us to look for someone excessively cleaning a vehicle/atv, possibly selling one, or acting nervous. I think LE knows who did it and they are collecting evidence. Again, that's IMO, but I live here and I can see what is happening around me FWIW.
Carla Lashelle
05-02-2011, 06:15 PM
Well the idea of camouflage is to hide your shape and outline so its really hard to say. I am very thin (120 lbs) but if you put me in a lot of that stuff because it is bulky I would look like the michilin man
Carla Lashelle
05-02-2011, 06:16 PM
After today I have decided I am not going to be able to post anymore. I hope I have helped with giving local insight but at this point it's just talking about LE and lack of info. It's not our place to know this information. They never asked us to look for a particular person. They asked us to look for someone excessively cleaning a vehicle/atv, possibly selling one, or acting nervous. I think LE knows who did it and they are collecting evidence. Again, that's IMO, but I live here and I can see what is happening around me FWIW.
Thank you and please come back if you feel the need or have something to share. Its always appreciated.
jabberwocky
05-02-2011, 06:20 PM
After today I have decided I am not going to be able to post anymore. I hope I have helped with giving local insight but at this point it's just talking about LE and lack of info. It's not our place to know this information. They never asked us to look for a particular person. They asked us to look for someone excessively cleaning a vehicle/atv, possibly selling one, or acting nervous. I think LE knows who did it and they are collecting evidence. Again, that's IMO, but I live here and I can see what is happening around me FWIW.
Thank you for sharing with us greengreen... I hope you'll be back,as your postings are the most helpful to read. I'm still praying that Holly is returned to her family safe.
jabberwocky
05-02-2011, 06:22 PM
I think 6' tall and 200 lbs could mean different things. Muscle weighs more than fat so if he works out, etc., then that could be muscle mass/bulk.
I do agree with that, belimom-it's more the 5'8" and 200 lbs that sticks with me
http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/av.htm
ensht
05-02-2011, 06:23 PM
I think 6' tall and 200 lbs could mean different things. Muscle weighs more than fat so if he works out, etc., then that could be muscle mass/bulk.
A relative of mine is 6'1" 225 pounds with a 32" waist. By the definition here he'd be fat yet he doesn't have an ounce of fat on his body.
Not everyone is pencil thin, athletes will always have bodies considered "obese" by standard BMI.
The question I'd really love to have answered is what time did the parents leave the house that morning and at what time did the first 911 call come in?
cluciano63
05-02-2011, 06:26 PM
I wonder about the height and weight of the boyfriend, for comparison purposes only.
Or was the brother's glance satisfied by the mere sight of the "camo" making him think "boyfriend" and only later did he try to recall the actual proportions of the male?
raeann
05-02-2011, 06:29 PM
I'm just saying that if someone is 5'8" and 200lbs, people should be looking for a stocky male as opposed to a slender male.... sorry if i offended anyone-that was not my intention
After googling about a half dozen weight and height charts.....a man at 6 feet tall and 200 pounds would be a BIT above average but no where NEAR being labeled obese. Any man who is physically active and into outdoor interests might very well be more muscular and therefore weigh more due to muscle mass.
The weight given in such descriptions is simply a guideline....meant to indicate that this person was of a sturdy build as opposed to thin or slightly built. MANY college athletes in sports like baseball and basketball weigh easily 200 or even more.....and I would doubt that anyone would call them obese!
Sometimes it is best to take a description as a general guess----because that's what it is. It is dependent upon the perception of one viewer and then it is often generalized from there by other officials as they complete their reports.
jmo
curiousc
05-02-2011, 06:38 PM
I think if they were given reason to believe that the situation would become worse by them speaking out, they are doing what is best based on the information they have. And no one knows what they would do in that exact situation because we don't know what is going on "behind closed doors".
I agree greengreen. Sadly, we don't know what is going on behind closed doors nor what LE knows, but I have reason to believe they are doing the right thing in this situation and case. I have full faith that they know the who but are desperately trying to find Holly.
Thank you for your insight....I have appreciated all that you have shared.
dotnetnow
05-02-2011, 06:41 PM
As far as the description info. I do think it would be useful combined with an outline sketch of what CB saw that day. I think his impressions, even scant as they may be might be useful.
Does it mean anything that we haven't even been given a cursory sketch? I guess if it was too general it might point to a million people, but if there were anything like customizations that could be pinpointed it would be good info ( how the belt was worn, what kind of hat if any, specific attachments/pockets, color of boots, body type impression, etc).
Tikki
05-02-2011, 06:41 PM
After today I have decided I am not going to be able to post anymore. I hope I have helped with giving local insight but at this point it's just talking about LE and lack of info. It's not our place to know this information. They never asked us to look for a particular person. They asked us to look for someone excessively cleaning a vehicle/atv, possibly selling one, or acting nervous. I think LE knows who did it and they are collecting evidence. Again, that's IMO, but I live here and I can see what is happening around me FWIW.
I haven't posted anything in this discussion because I really have nothing new to add, but I have read all the posts and appreciate your local insight immensely. My mother grew up in Eagle Creek near Camden in Benton Co (the cabin where they lived is now Wildlife preserve I believe) so I have extended family there and am somewhat familiar with the area, and very familiar with some of the people there, the ones I've met have been wonderful, good-hearted, generous and friendly.
I am heartbroken for Holly and her family and friends and pray for them daily.
I continue to hope for positive resolution with this and hope to see you on here again.
Thanks again for your generous and thoughtful contributions.
Tikki
Kimster
05-02-2011, 06:44 PM
Closed for a sec while I prepare a statement I want you all to read.
Kimster
05-02-2011, 06:50 PM
Victim Friendly
Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing victim behavior,good or bad is fine, but do so in a civl and constructive way and ONLY IF IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CASE. Additionally,sleuthing family members that are not suspected of being involved in the crime or disappearance is not allowed. Don't make random accusations or post personal information (even if it is public) like parking tickets, address, or first and last names of all their relatives and their neighbors. Also, never "bash" or attack them, or accuse them of involvement. However that does not mean that family members cannot come into discussion as the facts and issues of the case are discussed. TOS: Rules Etiquette & Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
As Websleuths continues to grow, we want to HELP families of victims, not HURT them. Sometimes it seems like nothing to post this or that but sit back and think, this is not a crime novel, THIS IS A REAL NIGHTMARE!
There is no reason to be upset or think something is up just because Holly's family doesn't appear in the media. I remember seeing some of this same thing in other cases and it's just not fair whatsoever!
If you have reason to believe that something is wrong with this family, run it by the mod of your choice in private for review before posting. They need our support, not our criticism just because they aren't having press conferences or whatever.
And this is about posts made throughout the day. I just got home and had a chance to look at them and removed them.
Thank this post and then you are free to move on.
Some Beach
05-02-2011, 07:06 PM
Nothing about Holly on the local news tonight. We have bad weather here again...storms and flash flood warnings.
It's bad when the only new news is the weather - and there's not much new about that either.
dotnetnow
05-02-2011, 07:08 PM
I think the weather has been a super bad luck piece of this story :(
Kimster
05-02-2011, 07:09 PM
Have you guys looked at any of the RSOs in the area? Are there any news articles about what they've done in the past to be registered as a SO? Maybe that's something that can be looked at. It's okay to post about them if there might be something up, we just can't harass them.
Some Beach
05-02-2011, 07:19 PM
Have you guys looked at any of the RSOs in the area? Are there any news articles about what they've done in the past to be registered as a SO? Maybe that's something that can be looked at. It's okay to post about them if there might be something up, we just can't harass them.
Oh Kim - This had me literally LAUGHING OUT LOUD!
It's gotten to the point that we are being encouraged to banter a bit about the RSO's!
It's not really funny, but I am still laughing!
:great: YAY! Let's bash the sex offenders!
Sincerely....thank you for this!
Kimster
05-02-2011, 07:21 PM
:eek: No, we can't bash them! But we can look and see if any in the area have a history of trying to kidnap or abuse young women. No bashing though, or name calling. Just take a look and see if there are any that have been accused of something that might have to do with Holly's case.
Kimster
05-02-2011, 07:24 PM
Here's the official guideline on sleuthing RSOs:
NEW RULES ON SEX OFFENDERS. WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO ON WEBSLEUTHS
It seems there is a legal consideration concerning whether we are allowed to bring information to Websleuths from the actual sex offender registry.
It is illegal to use the sex offender register information to harass anyone. We would never condone this at Websleuths.
It is not illegal (in my opinion) if when a child goes missing or is harmed we look at the sex offenders in the area and post their information, along with maps to show how close they live to the victim.
In every case we have local people reading and posting here. Therefore we are within the guidelines using this info for local information.
Again, we are not EVER going to even hint at harassing anyone on the sex offenders list. Any posting we do about a sex offender will always be within the law.
If any of you have other questions about what you can and can't post please ask them here and we will do our best to clear things up.
MimmieMoo
05-02-2011, 07:27 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap
I can't wrap my brain around the FBI poster that says 5'8"- 6' 200lbs
If someone was 5'8" and 200lbs, he would be obese! even at 6'-he'd be overweight
that would not necessarily mean they are obese or overweight. My boyfriend is a trainer (not the "juiced"looking type either) and he is 195 and 5'10. The guy just might be really fit...
jabberwocky
05-02-2011, 07:38 PM
oh great! there's a rso that lives 2 miles from me :(
http://www.familywatchdog.us/search.asp
Some Beach
05-02-2011, 07:39 PM
:eek: No, we can't bash them! But we can look and see if any in the area have a history of trying to kidnap or abuse young women. No bashing though, or name calling. Just take a look and see if there are any that have been accused of something that might have to do with Holly's case.
I really was only joking. I have a tendency to TRY to be funny when things get heavy. I guess it's my own coping mechanism and I hope I didn't offend you (or anybody else).
cluciano63
05-02-2011, 07:40 PM
There are about 13 within 5 miles of Parsons (RSO's), at least 3 of those are classified as violent who are also white males.
Kimster
05-02-2011, 07:46 PM
I really was only joking. I have a tendency to TRY to be funny when things get heavy. I guess it's my own coping mechanism and I hope I didn't offend you (or anybody else).
I have enough vulcan in me that I don't get upset easily. :kimsterwink: Just didn't want anyone else to think it's okay to bash. We don't bash anyone on WS.
Kimster
05-02-2011, 07:47 PM
There are about 13 within 5 miles of Parsons (RSO's), at least 3 of those are classified as violent who are also white males.
Hmmm. I wonder if any of those three are familiar with the woods?
Laddsy
05-02-2011, 07:48 PM
Hey Kim I will bash Happybonnie for you :)
nursebeeme
05-02-2011, 08:01 PM
what is up with the quiet: (my two or whatever amount it is cents)
1) this is tbi. any "bi" agency generally holds things tighter, closer. Think super glue on the lips.
2) the "B-I" entered this case from hours in and took over. Thusly refer to the above
3) the massive reporting that took place initially (and most likely the leaks that tbi had to address that they may not have done so otherwise) were the major source of media coverage in this case
4) number three being said, there is a lack of investigative reporting going on in this case. Is it a gag/understanding with the tbi? Is it a lack of digging/doing boots on the ground reporting? Is it a band of reporters who value their media credentials more than getting the real story out? Who knows. In the Sandra Cantu case, my personal hero, Jennifer Wadsworth broke the case wide open with her investigative reporting.
5) finally, ((this is all my opinion but I just want to state again that this is my opinion)) : investigators have not to date found Holly. They have not arrested anyone. It is going on what.. 19 days???? If this were a quick crime of passion.. one not well thought out.. one that led right back to the perp.. there would be some sort of movement. This concerns me..I am starting to really think that this is not some heat of the moment crime.. this is not some person that knew her for a long time.. and really this could be the monster in our closet.
6) I have another opinion... I sincerely wish that Holly's family... her church, her anything.. would speak out to the media on her behalf. From the start this became a national interest case... and yes there is bad weather.. horrible weather that I pray the people of Tennessee did not have to go through... but Holly is out there somewhere and she is not where she is supposed to be right now. The interview with AW said it all really that the family needs to keep her case in the media eye. They(the media) do not seem to be looking right now and if they are they are too quiet imhoo.
Moo...
jabberwocky
05-02-2011, 08:06 PM
what is up with the quiet: (my two or whatever amount it is cents)
1) this is tbi. any "bi" agency generally holds things tighter, closer. Think super glue on the lips.
2) the "B-I" entered this case from hours in and took over. Thusly refer to the above
3) the massive reporting that took place initially (and most likely the leaks that tbi had to address that they may not have done so otherwise) were the major source of media coverage in this case
4) number three being said, there is a lack of investigative reporting going on in this case. Is it a gag/understanding with the tbi? Is it a lack of digging/doing boots on the ground reporting? Is it a band of reporters who value their media credentials more than getting the real story out? Who knows. In the Sandra Cantu case, my personal hero, Jennifer Wadsworth broke the case wide open with her investigative reporting.
5) finally, ((this is all my opinion but I just want to state again that this is my opinion)) : investigators have not to date found Holly. They have not arrested anyone. It is going on what.. 19 days???? If this were a quick crime of passion.. one not well thought out.. one that led right back to the perp.. there would be some sort of movement. This concerns me..I am starting to really think that this is not some heat of the moment crime.. this is not some person that knew her for a long time.. and really this could be the monster in our closet.
6) I have another opinion... I sincerely wish that Holly's family... her church, her anything.. would speak out to the media on her behalf. From the start this became a national interest case... and yes there is bad weather.. horrible weather that I pray the people of Tennessee did not have to go through... but Holly is out there somewhere and she is not where she is supposed to be right now. The interview with AW said it all really that the family needs to keep her case in the media eye. They do not seem to be looking right now.
Moo...
JMO I think TBI and LE know who has Holly and are closing in on him....
nursebeeme
05-02-2011, 08:15 PM
JMO I think TBI and LE know who has Holly and are closing in on him....
I pray so.
((while my glass is personally half full... I just am not feeling that vibe but will gladly eat my hat if it turns out any other way))
eta: don't get me wrong.. I want LE to be watching some alleged perp with an Alive Holly in tow. I do. I c o m p l e t e l e y do.
falconsfan
05-02-2011, 08:17 PM
Here are the photos I had posted of the carport. They are an aerial view and believe they are important.
Photo 1 (http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m509/JuryMander/1.jpg?t=1304289346)
Photo 2 (http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m509/JuryMander/2.jpg?t=1304289344)
Thanks Stolly! Don't know if this has been said already as I am catching up on posts, but that building behind the pool definitely looks like a 2 car carport. And, to me, it looks like there is a car parked in the left stall. Possibly a silver one, or something close to that color. JMO
liltexans
05-02-2011, 08:21 PM
JMO I think TBI and LE know who has Holly and are closing in on him....
I tend to agree, although I would probably say that I think the TBI knows who took Holly and are closing in on him. Knowing who has Holly implies that she's still alive, IMO, and sadly, I just don't think she is. I really hope that I'm wrong about that.
MOO
MimmieMoo
05-02-2011, 08:34 PM
I tend to agree, although I would probably say that I think the TBI knows who took Holly and are closing in on him. Knowing who has Holly implies that she's still alive, IMO, and sadly, I just don't think she is. I really hope that I'm wrong about that.
MOO
The weather here has been nuts, honestly a tornado a warning evey week since her abduction. There is a lot of flooding happening as well, so if under the worst circumstances that she didn't make it and was left in water, don't you think the flooding could help find her?
IMO- being from this part of the south and knowing how families are very religious and close knit here, I know her parents are being instructed to stay quiet. I know if this were me, my mom would have the hardest time complying with this request. Only if she knew it had my best interest at heart and if she felt comfortable enough with the information LE had...meaning giving her hope.....if that makes sense.
I just want a happy ending.
JMO I think TBI and LE know who has Holly and are closing in on him....
Please help me understand why you think this...and what in the he!! are they waiting for to nab him??? I don't get it.
nursebeeme
05-02-2011, 08:55 PM
Mrsu: I agree. If they have this so called person in their sights what the eff are they waiting on... preliminary testing should be done (just to throw some out there: tire tracks, hair, blood, fingerprints, etc)
I have never seen a case like this..
I might not be popular for saying this either... but the family and those who know Holly have the podium now in the national media... and they should take a step up on it.. get her name out there more... even if just to say she loved this band or that band or loved her pets... this is the time for them to do this.. especially if the case is reaching limbo which I am praying it is not. I tend to think the family ((note I said think so it is my opinion)) is so paralyzed with this they cannot speak or function bless their hearts. I recall the media article that said on Easter they drove up to thank searchers but made it as far as the parking lot. Obviously they are wrecked. However they IMHOO need a new spokesperson who can convey not only this but what is going on and keep this in the media.
there is afterall an 80k (partially governor appointed) reward offered here) just to keep the reward in the media (by the spokesperson) could garner more leads etc. I could go on but it is beating a dead horse... someone needs to say something.
moo
Emma Peel
05-02-2011, 09:05 PM
I think it's possible they are watching POI(s) - While they try to put together evidence that makes a case that's indictable.
But ...they would NEVER stand by and watch an "alive" Holly, of course.
What I'm trying say is that if they are watching someone, they don't hope to rescue Holly from them. They may hope he will lead them to where he last left her. And that is terribly frightening and very sad.
Emma Peel
05-02-2011, 09:11 PM
Mrsu: I agree. If they have this so called person in their sights what the eff are they waiting on... preliminary testing should be done (just to throw some out there: tire tracks, hair, blood, fingerprints, etc)
I have never seen a case like this..
I might not be popular for saying this either... but the family and those who know Holly have the podium now in the national media... and they should take a step up on it.. get her name out there more... even if just to say she loved this band or that band or loved her pets... this is the time for them to do this.. especially if the case is reaching limbo which I am praying it is not. I tend to think the family ((note I said think so it is my opinion)) is so paralyzed with this they cannot speak or function bless their hearts. I recall the media article that said on Easter they drove up to thank searchers but made it as far as the parking lot. Obviously they are wrecked. However they IMHOO need a new spokesperson who can convey not only this but what is going on and keep this in the media.
there is afterall an 80k (partially governor appointed) reward offered here) just to keep the reward in the media (by the spokesperson) could garner more leads etc. I could go on but it is beating a dead horse... someone needs to say something.
moo
This case is so unusual.
I have wondered if they shy away from going public, because they have their son to think of. The initial rumoring must have been so hurtful. Talk about being a wreck. He watched it happen and ... that poor boy.
Maybe they feel their best choice is not to draw attention to their son's horrible experience and subject him to what would undoubtedly be tremendous scrutiny and speculation. Maybe they feel they've lost a child and their other one is so broken they are in fear of losing him too.
:no:
I don't know anything really except that this is one impossible kind of he77 they are living in.
cfreyja23
05-02-2011, 09:12 PM
I wonder about the height and weight of the boyfriend, for comparison purposes only.
Or was the brother's glance satisfied by the mere sight of the "camo" making him think "boyfriend" and only later did he try to recall the actual proportions of the male?
IMO, he looked closely enough to see the proportions and made a mental note at that moment. Maybe the hair was similar to her bf's, too. Most of the people in that area own some camo clothes, right? So surely he wouldn't automatically think "boyfriend" just by seeing the camo? If so, it could've been anyone based on that characteristic alone. I don't think he would've shrugged it off based on one glance.
nursebeeme
05-02-2011, 09:12 PM
miss emma: oddest case ever I agree
imamaze
05-02-2011, 09:13 PM
Working on a new thread, will be closing this one in a few...
imamaze
05-02-2011, 09:16 PM
Closing thread, please continue here...
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