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imamaze
04-30-2011, 04:19 PM
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

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Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 04:22 PM
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(This was final post on previous thread. Just moving it forward, as folks have been looking for an image of the fundraising t-shirt, and I came across it finally. Plus it's a nice start to Holly's 20th thread. Wow. 20 threads. Where are you Holly?)

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 04:25 PM
Good afternoon all!

Been thinking about the time she was taken. This could have easily been done by someone working 3rd shift, 11PM-7AM. He could easily live very close by and, be very familiar with this area, this family, and their schedules. He could be someone that lives alone, he had time to carry this out and could have been back at work by 11PM without anyone becoming suspicious...Any plants in the area? Shift workers? Hospitals, LE etc...

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 04:32 PM
Good afternoon all!

Been thinking about the time she was taken. This could have easily been done by someone working 3rd shift, 11PM-7AM. He could easily live very close by and, be very familiar with this area, this family, and their schedules. He could be someone that lives alone, he had time to carry this out and could have been back at work by 11PM without anyone becoming suspicious...Any plants in the area? Shift workers? Hospitals, LE etc...

yes, I like this thought. good one. :goodpost:

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 04:34 PM
Its a bit late but the type of restraining order I was referring to in the last thread, that would be on public record is what they call here an IFP or Injunction For Protection. I would assume thats different than buisiness related court orders. An IFP is what you get when you are being harassed, stalked, threatened etc. Usually if I say IFP no one knows what it is and then they say oh you mean a restraining order.

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 04:40 PM
yes, I like this thought. good one. :goodpost:

This is making perfect sense to me. This person is very comfortable being seen out at this time of the morning because he always is. If he had her in the trunk, he's not worried because no one thinks anything about him being in the area and out and about at this time of day...Perfect setting. He is just driving casually back to his hideout home with her tossing items along the way. I think he is very, very close by!

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 04:42 PM
Police up to something

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-police-presence-henderson-county

MsFacetious
04-30-2011, 04:43 PM
Police Presence in Henderson County

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-police-presence-henderson-county

concentric
04-30-2011, 04:44 PM
I'm back. Just for the sake of discussion.

Great Smokey Mountains National Park is a straight shot east on I-40. I looked it up several days ago. It's approximately a 5 hour drive from Darden, TN.

IMO:

Not a big stretch of the imagination that someone could have ended up a plan at that location. Like I said before, a person could be involved, stash a victim, make an appearance on the home front, then take off again, ditch the car, then come up with a story, and end up someplace else seemingly "disoriented."

Window: 4/13- 4/14 10 p.m., then a missing time lapse until approximately 4/21.

Not saying this is the case, just testing the possibilities.

curiousc
04-30-2011, 04:46 PM
They are searching Decatur county too.

southernillinoisman
04-30-2011, 04:47 PM
The fact that so much is going on today with the huge LE presence and the TBI being out and about searching in Henderson County and the helicopters all over the area...this is great news that something IS going on and the case isn't "cold."

Can someone please provide me an updated link to the HB scanner thread? I keep losing it. TIA!

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 04:48 PM
I'm back. Just for the sake of discussion.

Great Smokey Mountains National Park is a straight shot east on I-40. I looked it up several days ago. It's approximately a 5 hour drive from Darden, TN.

IMO:

Not a big stretch of the imagination that someone could have ended up a plan at that location. Like I said before, a person could be involved, stash a victim, make an appearance on the home front, then take off again, ditch the car, then come up with a story, and end up someplace else seemingly "disoriented."

Window: 4/13- 4/14 10 p.m., then a missing time lapse until approximately 4/21.

Not saying this is the case, just testing the possibilities.

I've looked at this one as well. Very possible...

MsFacetious
04-30-2011, 04:53 PM
Holly Scanner Thread

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6416886&posted=1#post6416886

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 04:56 PM
Search Resumes...

http://www.wsmv.com/news/27723859/detail.html

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 05:02 PM
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/

Holly had been dating a local boy, 19-year-old Drew Scott.


The boy's grandmother, Susie Siglow, told The Daily the two were madly in love and planning to marry, and said Drew was too distraught to speak.


"I’ve known Holly for a long time," Siglow said. "Holly would never hurt nobody and she would never run away from home. She is the sweetest person you could ever meet."


She added, "[Drew] is tore up. Last night was the first night they’ve been apart for about a year."


... I never saw this article before with the quote from the BF's granny. It has other interesting little tidbits I didn't know or hadn't read...It's not a new article, so if you've seen it ... apologies.

concentric
04-30-2011, 05:02 PM
Someone brought up the case of Kelsey Smith, the 18 yr. old young woman who was abducted from a Target store parking lot by 26 yr. old Edwin Hall.

Just noting that not all perps. are substantially older than the victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kelsey_Smith

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 05:04 PM
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/




... I never saw this article before with the quote from the BF's granny. It has other interesting little tidbits I didn't know or hadn't read...It's not a new article, so if you've seen it ... apologies.

I do remember that but its a good bump.

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 05:05 PM
Someone brought up the case of Kelsey Smith, the 18-yr. old young woman who was abducted from a Target store parking lot by 26 yr. old Edwin Hall.

Just noting that not all perps. are substantially older than the victims.

If its someone that knew her from school, circle of friends, friends of friends it could be someone roughly her age.

Mountain_Kat
04-30-2011, 05:11 PM
Praying that this is the day Holly comes home safe and sound.

Buckeye lady
04-30-2011, 05:12 PM
Do you think they got some information from the RSO who was arrested a few days after Holly went missing? Wasn't he from Henderson county?

CAR2DRIVE2009
04-30-2011, 05:18 PM
I've looked at this one as well. Very possible...

He was last seen on 4/14 at 10pm in Wake county NC which is a 10 hour drive from Darden TN. He resurfaced on 4/19 in the Smokey mountains.

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/166941/2/Man-who-said-he-escaped-kidnappers-in-Smokies-now-charged

CHARLISA
04-30-2011, 05:22 PM
Scanner Thread #954 interesting?

concentric
04-30-2011, 05:24 PM
From my own experience, I've driven 10 hrs. straight with few breaks.

curiousc
04-30-2011, 05:31 PM
BREAKING - HOLLY BOBO CASE: Sources tell Channel 4's Dennis Ferrier that a new tip has led investigators to search part of Henderson County. Working on this story for Channel 4 News at 5:00

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 05:39 PM
Please please please let this be the break. Even if its the worst outcome...

Apples2Apples
04-30-2011, 05:39 PM
Fingers crossed and prayers said :) I hope today is the day!

wfgodot
04-30-2011, 05:41 PM
BREAKING - HOLLY BOBO CASE: Sources tell Channel 4's Dennis Ferrier that a new tip has led investigators to search part of Henderson County. Working on this story for Channel 4 News at 5:00

Law enforcement teams began a brand-new search in Henderson County after receiving a tip Saturday, sources told Channel 4's Dennis Ferrier.

Investigators would not give the precise location of the search, and would not elaborate on what led them there.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/27723859/detail.html

(from Gofigure's link above at #17)

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 05:44 PM
Scanner Thread #954 interesting?

:dunno:

Perhaps it is interesting when that happens on a saturday. maybe. I dunno.

tfrohning
04-30-2011, 05:48 PM
Do you think they got some information from the RSO who was arrested a few days after Holly went missing? Wasn't he from Henderson county?

He from arrested in Madison county and he lived in Benton county he register SO
http://midsouthnewz.com/news/midsouth-regional-news/thp-qnew-tacticsq-in-holly-bobo-search.html

Daisyjane
04-30-2011, 05:55 PM
It's almost 5pm news time. Anybody got a local feed so you can post anything significant?

panthera
04-30-2011, 05:57 PM
Good afternoon all!

Been thinking about the time she was taken. This could have easily been done by someone working 3rd shift, 11PM-7AM. He could easily live very close by and, be very familiar with this area, this family, and their schedules. He could be someone that lives alone, he had time to carry this out and could have been back at work by 11PM without anyone becoming suspicious...Any plants in the area? Shift workers? Hospitals, LE etc...

Good thoughts. If the perp is someone who knew Holly before, hospital stands out as a possible place where he could have encountered her. MOO

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 05:59 PM
It's almost 5pm news time. Anybody got a local feed so you can post anything significant?

It is not on yet, I am going to watch and will update...

tfrohning
04-30-2011, 06:00 PM
He was last seen on 4/14 at 10pm in Wake county NC which is a 10 hour drive from Darden TN. He resurfaced on 4/19 in the Smokey mountains.

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/166941/2/Man-who-said-he-escaped-kidnappers-in-Smokies-now-charged

very interesting snip
It started a week ago in North Carolina when 20-year-old Caleb Tutor was last seen about 10:00 Thursday night.

Holly was missing early morning of 13th.

MsFacetious
04-30-2011, 06:05 PM
It's almost 5pm news time. Anybody got a local feed so you can post anything significant?

Nothing but weather here yet:

http://www.wreg.com/news/livestreaming/


Also weather only so far:

http://www.wmctv.com/category/196691/action-news-5-live-video-coverage?redirected=true


Nothing at all here yet for me:

http://www.wsmv.com/video/9624406/index.html


Nothing here either:

http://www.livestream.com/WBBJ


Nothing here either:

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/

Jo in Calif
04-30-2011, 06:06 PM
The only news that we are going to get is that LE were seen in the area.
Unless Holly is found, LE is not going to let the public know what tips they recieve or what info they have.
This is an active investigation, LE are very activly working on it, I don't think it is cold nor do I think they have next to nothing.
LE, IMO, would never ask for volunteer searchers to help look for a perp.

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 06:09 PM
It is not on yet, I am going to watch and will update...

Just watched, everything stated is in this link...

http://www.wsmv.com/news/27723859/detail.html

Soul125
04-30-2011, 06:09 PM
The only news that we are going to get is that LE were seen in the area.
Unless Holly is found, LE is not going to let the public know what tips they recieve or what info they have.
This is an active investigation, LE are very activly working on it, I don't think it is cold nor do I think they have next to nothing.
LE, IMO, would never ask for volunteer searchers to help look for a perp.

I doubt they will even reveal the location of the search IMO. If they do, that is all we will get out of them.

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:12 PM
very interesting snip
It started a week ago in North Carolina when 20-year-old Caleb Tutor was last seen about 10:00 Thursday night.

Holly was missing early morning of 13th.

I guess the question is ... where he night of 12th and morning of the 13th - if that's what you're thinking ...:waitasec:

Daisyjane
04-30-2011, 06:14 PM
Sheesh, even the rumor mills are quiet today!

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:16 PM
yay that searching is active. maybe local folks will at least talk to the news about the activity they saw - helicopters and LE vehicles and such....

I would think it's hard to keep passersby quiet about what they saw where.

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 06:18 PM
I guess the question is ... where he night of 12th and morning of the 13th - if that's what you're thinking ...:waitasec:



I guess the question is ... where he night of 12th and morning of the 13th - if that's what you're thinking ...
__________________
That's a great question!

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:20 PM
I wonder if they are just back at Natchez.

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 06:24 PM
I wonder if they are just back at Natchez.

Sure sounds like it. Lexington, TN, Henderson County. Wonder where the tip came from? Inquiring minds wanna know!

Apples2Apples
04-30-2011, 06:26 PM
I wonder if they are just back at Natchez.

I wondered the same thing. I was wondering if they were checking cabins in area.
Greengreen..where are you today?

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:27 PM
Just watched, everything stated is in this link...

http://www.wsmv.com/news/27723859/detail.html

lol.

thanks for the link. I'm still hungry, Gofigure.

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:28 PM
apples - are you a verified local yet?

either way - why don't you run your question by a mod. just to be safe. do you know how to PM a mod?

I think our mod imamaze (see 1st post on thread) is here - so you can just hit her name and leave her a message ...

Apples2Apples
04-30-2011, 06:30 PM
I'm not a local to this case :) It's just something she mentioned reading online to me. Maybe I should delete it. Which Mod do I need to PM?

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:33 PM
I think our mod imamaze (see 1st post on thread) is here - so you can just hit her name and leave her a message ...

and until you clear it with her, yeah, maybe delete it to be safe...

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:37 PM
o/t
apples,
your avatar is killing me.
:giggle:

Apples2Apples
04-30-2011, 06:37 PM
I think our mod imamaze (see 1st post on thread) is here - so you can just hit her name and leave her a message ...

and until you clear it with her, yeah, maybe delete it to be safe...

I just PM'd her. thanks :D

greengreen
04-30-2011, 06:45 PM
This is making perfect sense to me. This person is very comfortable being seen out at this time of the morning because he always is. If he had her in the trunk, he's not worried because no one thinks anything about him being in the area and out and about at this time of day...Perfect setting. He is just driving casually back to his hideout home with her tossing items along the way. I think he is very, very close by!

There is a plant in the area but the last I heard there were no 3rd shifts. That does not mean there is not now, just at one point there was not.

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:47 PM
Excuse me. I have to go make a pie now. :D

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 06:49 PM
There is a plant in the area but the last I heard there were no 3rd shifts. That does not mean there is not now, just at one point there was not.

there you are. can you take a drive out to natchez and see what you can see?

:giggle: :okay:

Apples2Apples
04-30-2011, 06:50 PM
Have we heard if they have checked out the house that is for sale on HB road?

greengreen
04-30-2011, 06:52 PM
Someone brought up the case of Kelsey Smith, the 18 yr. old young woman who was abducted from a Target store parking lot by 26 yr. old Edwin Hall.

Just noting that not all perps. are substantially older than the victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kelsey_Smith

For some reason I don't think he's much older than Holly.

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 06:55 PM
For some reason I don't think he's much older than Holly.

In my mind it would depnd where he saw her... if it was someone that was around her at school, circle of frinds etc i would expect him to be somewhat in her age range. I doubt younger but who knows. If it was a stalker from town that she did not know but who saw and scoped her out, id say older.

greengreen
04-30-2011, 07:00 PM
there you are. can you take a drive out to natchez and see what you can see?

:giggle: :okay:

I don't have to. They were there at one point today. Also back in Decatur Co. Where here I don't know.

Jo in Calif
04-30-2011, 07:01 PM
Excuse me. I have to go make a pie now. :D

I hear ya Emma, every time A2A comments, I can smell that piece of pie.

greengreen
04-30-2011, 07:07 PM
Have we heard if they have checked out the house that is for sale on HB road?

I heard they did. Let me say I did not see it. But as I was told, every house in the immediate area was looked at and residents questioned. FBI went door to door. At least it was the FBI at three houses.

Apples2Apples
04-30-2011, 07:07 PM
I hear ya Emma, every time A2A comments, I can smell that piece of pie.

Sorry guys!!!

GreenGreen, glad you are around. How are you holding up? How's your family holding up? Is morale okay around town good?

MsFacetious
04-30-2011, 07:10 PM
You poor people wanting pie...

I am blessed with an inability to cook... and a strong dislike for anything with 2 textures. Squishy inside and crunchy outside?? YUCK!

Apple's avatar does nothing for me. :innocent:

Though, that did give me the thought that someone could take treats over to the LE searching... obviously not a pie... but something still in the package. That'd be nice.

Don't take donuts though!

Nana46
04-30-2011, 07:16 PM
there you are. can you take a drive out to natchez and see what you can see?

:giggle: :okay:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: snort!!

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 07:27 PM
Ok I gotta go here before my partner thinks I was abducted... Take care everyone! Pray for some good news...

mahmoo
04-30-2011, 07:32 PM
there you are. can you take a drive out to natchez and see what you can see?

:giggle: :okay:
And pick us up an apple pie on your way back :Banane53:
oh....and maybe a gallon of vanilla ice cream:Banane48

cluciano63
04-30-2011, 07:38 PM
Are they searching in more than one county?

If so, that does not sound as specific and/or promising as I had first hoped...

Ladybulldog
04-30-2011, 07:39 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley
willnunley Will Nunley
Details about what prompted the search have not been released. #hollybobo

willnunley Will Nunley
Source: even though volunteer-led searches are not being organized, numerous law enforcement remain, following leads. #hollybobo


I would like to know what they do have but I know it might compromise the investgation.

Ive been following this case for a few days and mainly lurking. My Prayers go out to Holly and her family.

I have a gut feeling this person is someone Holly knows and possibly an ex friend. I feel this is personnal. It seems he has been watching her from afar and making notes of her comings and goings. If the blood is Holly's then it is possible he had a weapon and threatened her to comply with his demands. I believe after Holly was taken into the woods and closer to his vehicle she made an attempt to get away and scream and the neighbor heard her which prompted a 911 call. Does anyone know what time that call was?

CHARLISA
04-30-2011, 07:41 PM
Are they searching in more than one county?

If so, that does not sound as specific and/or promising as I had first hoped...

The reports I read said Decauter (sp?) County & Henderson County, which I believe are net to each other.

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 07:42 PM
Are we thinking it's too late for anything further to come out today?

Apples2Apples
04-30-2011, 07:46 PM
I don't think it's too late...JMHO :)

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 07:51 PM
I don't think it's too late...JMHO :)

I hope so - would love to see a break in this case.

cluciano63
04-30-2011, 07:55 PM
http://geology.com/county-map/tennessee.shtml

Benton County, where the sex offender is registered who was arrested on April 18th for stalking women, is adjacent/touching Decatur County, can't be too far. Also not far from Henderson County to the slight SW.

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 07:56 PM
I hope so - would love to see a break in this case.

lol!! I would "love" to see anything in this case! Time's a wastin'!

panthera
04-30-2011, 08:02 PM
http://geology.com/county-map/tennessee.shtml

Benton County, where the sex offender is registered who was arrested on April 18th for stalking women, is adjacent/touching Decatur County, can't be too far. Also not far from Henderson County to the slight SW.

I still believe whoever abducted Holly specifically targeted her, knew her routine, etc., however not as a SO would. In other words, something personal. MOO

Stolly
04-30-2011, 08:03 PM
There have been reports of Decatur and Henderson counties being searched, and posts referring to a helicopter and multiple law enforcement agencies. Supposedly a "Tip" (http://www.wsmv.com/news/27723859/detail.html) or some type of statement received caused these new searches but I find that hard to believe that it was anything truly relevant. As cluciano63 alluded to, I'm sorry to say that multiple counties doesn't sound like it is anything specific. They need something like "Check along this street" or "around this path."

JustToSeeYouSmile
04-30-2011, 08:05 PM
This is a good resource.

http://www.tn.gov/local/

mistivon
04-30-2011, 08:08 PM
I hope so - would love to see a break in this case.

I have a feeling that when the "break" FINALLY comes, we'll have a perp and Holly. I doubt any news until that happens, unfortunately :(

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 08:08 PM
I still believe whoever abducted Holly specifically targeted her, knew her routine, etc., however not as a SO would. In other words, something personal. MOO

Same here...I think it's some good ole boy from the area (I think I can say that), being from TN...lol. Someone that got off from work, knew their routine, everyone thinks nah, he's ok, he wouldn't hurt a flea!

cluciano63
04-30-2011, 08:13 PM
I guess I'm not convinced it has to be someone known to Holly. Some people are stalked for a while before they even know about it and sometimes by a complete stranger, who looks like their ex, or their mother, or whatever. And sometimes serial offenders scout around until they find their "type" and go from there.

panthera
04-30-2011, 08:16 PM
Same here...I think it's some good ole boy from the area (I think I can say that), being from TN...lol. Someone that got off from work, knew their routine, everyone thinks nah, he's ok, he wouldn't hurt a flea!

Exactly. And while LE initially stated the perp may not be acting normally now, after the event, it's not always the case. And sadly, if Holly isn't still alive and wasn't for very long after the abduction, he may not even have missed work at all. MOO

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 08:18 PM
I guess I'm not convinced it has to be someone known to Holly. Some people are stalked for a while before they even know about it and sometimes by a complete stranger, who looks like their ex, or their mother, or whatever. And sometimes serial offenders scout around until they find their "type" and go from there.

I think he "knows" her probably more than she knows him. its a small town so she may have had some minor contact with the guy. I imagine he is the obsessive type and targeted her specifically.

Emma Peel
04-30-2011, 08:19 PM
See BBM - below: Who knows this?!!!

Jason Rushing, director of the University of Tennessee at Martin Parsons campus, said Bobo was enrolled in a one-year program to become a licensed practical nurse.


"She was a good student, capable, conscientious with her school work," he said. "You could tell by the way she interacted with others that she was popular with other students."


Bobo enrolled in the program last August and had class Wednesday and Thursday.


"We are going on as scheduled, but you can tell this situation is on everyone's hearts and minds," Rushing said.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/

Who knew she went to class on Tuesdays and on Wednesdays at 7:30?
And who knew when Holly's parents went to work?

And who knew it was Finals Week and that Holly wouldn't be getting up in the morning on a scheduled basis so that they could have this window of opportunity?

This timing reminds me of Kyron that way. End of school year schedule may have prompted this abduction.

C'mon peeps, this is a short list. It could very well be someone from her nursing program - at least someone who knew when she left the house every Wednesday.

I have to think that they KNOW who did this.

I wonder when the last day of class/exam was for her program?

:cow:

panthera
04-30-2011, 08:20 PM
I guess I'm not convinced it has to be someone known to Holly. Some people are stalked for a while before they even know about it and sometimes by a complete stranger, who looks like their ex, or their mother, or whatever. And sometimes serial offenders scout around until they find their "type" and go from there.

I'm not completely eliminating this scenario. It's just that I believe there was some interaction, or connection between the abductor and Holly that set this in motion - someone from school, a hospital she may have done clinical work at, a business she frequents, etc. as opposed to a random hunter in the woods who saw her for the first time coming out of the house that morning. MOO

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 08:20 PM
Exactly. And while LE initially stated the perp may not be acting normally now, after the event, it's not always the case. And sadly, if Holly isn't still alive and wasn't for very long after the abduction, he may not even have missed work at all. MOO

Lots of people don't work... like me. I am unemployed. I could be outside someones house at 4 AM or 4 PM or whenever. No one would say I was missing from work, etc. Half the people I know are unemployed too; either from disability (me), got laid off, fired, lost their business etc. Could be someone with a lot of free time on their hands.

cluciano63
04-30-2011, 08:22 PM
What if someone followed her home on Tuesday and waited in the woods/vehicle until Wednesday AM? He wouldn't have to know she only went two days per week, he may have thought she went everyday and just got "lucky."
Whoops, Wed & Thursday, never mind...

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 08:23 PM
If the search was as large scale as described then it seems like a fairly "unfocused" tip. This case is sad because I think the public has become so frustrated.

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 08:23 PM
See BBM - below: Who knows this?!!!



http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/

Who knew she went to class on Tuesdays and on Wednesdays at 7:30?
And who knew when Holly's parents went to work?

And who knew it was Finals Week and that Holly wouldn't be getting up in the morning on a scheduled basis so that they could have this window of opportunity?

This timing reminds me of Kyron that way. End of school year schedule may have prompted this abduction.

C'mon peeps, this is a short list. It could very well be someone from her nursing program - at least someone who knew when she left the house every Wednesday.

I have to think that they KNOW who did this.

I wonder when the last day of class/exam was for her program?

:cow:

My bad...The 13th was on a Wednesday. Just remembered and checked, it was a Wednesday, not Tuesday. Sorry!

CHARLISA
04-30-2011, 08:26 PM
I guess I'm not convinced it has to be someone known to Holly. Some people are stalked for a while before they even know about it and sometimes by a complete stranger, who looks like their ex, or their mother, or whatever. And sometimes serial offenders scout around until they find their "type" and go from there.

I'm still thinking that it was someone who saw her at college and stalked her. If they took her thru the woods that shows they either knew the area or became familar with it. I do believe that this person(s) watched the house to see the family's schedule. Could be any crazy idiot tho. Remember the case in Conneticut (Petit family). One of those low lifes saw the younger girl and became obsessed w/her, which led to home invasion & murder. Never know what sends one of these weirdos off IMO.

Wondergirl
04-30-2011, 08:29 PM
See BBM - below: Who knows this?!!!



http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/

Who knew she went to class on Tuesdays and on Wednesdays at 7:30?
And who knew when Holly's parents went to work?

And who knew it was Finals Week and that Holly wouldn't be getting up in the morning on a scheduled basis so that they could have this window of opportunity?

This timing reminds me of Kyron that way. End of school year schedule may have prompted this abduction.

C'mon peeps, this is a short list. It could very well be someone from her nursing program - at least someone who knew when she left the house every Wednesday.

I have to think that they KNOW who did this.

I wonder when the last day of class/exam was for her program?

:cow:

Great post.

Whether Clint was "normally" home at that time of day, is as important as "who knew" Holly's schedule that week, IMO. It's really critical information, which isn't "out there" that I have read.

Did the perp know Clint AND Holly's schedule, and then Clint went off his known routine that morning, for some reason?

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 08:33 PM
My gut tells me this isn't a random crime; I gree with the someone who knew her theory. JMO

cluciano63
04-30-2011, 08:34 PM
Well, Clint WAS home and this guy still got away with it, so not sure he even figured Clint into his plan one way or the other...Clint even SAW him and he still got away with it...

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 08:38 PM
I'm still thinking that it was someone who saw her at college and stalked her. If they took her thru the woods that shows they either knew the area or became familar with it. I do believe that this person(s) watched the house to see the family's schedule. Could be any crazy idiot tho. Remember the case in Conneticut (Petit family). One of those low lifes saw the younger girl and became obsessed w/her, which led to home invasion & murder. Never know what sends one of these weirdos off IMO.

The scary thing is, you are sooo right! The Petit case broke my heart! It would not have taken anyone with half a brain and wanton desire very long to figure this family's routine out. I live in the country in TN and am also single. I have taken extra precautions since this abduction, and will continue to do so. I can only pray that they find Holly, and the person responsible!

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 08:42 PM
I think if he actually approached her outside of her house, he probably didn't worry about who was inside. Do we know if she was outside when he approached her, or if he had to say knock at the door?

goldiegirl
04-30-2011, 08:46 PM
I know this isn't likely, but sometimes I think the perp may have just been taking a chance. He obviously knew she lived there, but he may have just figured she would come out at some point in the morning but didn't know her exact schedule.

I got this idea from the HS case. Whether or not this is the same perp, it still gave me some ideas. HS's boyfriend was home at the time, and either the perp. didn't know or it wasn't enough to deter him, so either of the two of these could have been a possibility in Holly's case, too (with reference to the brother, this time). Another strange thing was that, from what I've read, HS had come out of the house and gone back in a couple minutes before her attack happened. I've always wondered why the perp. didn't do anything at that point. Asleep on the "job", maybe? Wasn't expecting her to come out so early? Wasn't paying attention? Caught off guard? Hiding out in the woods nearby and didn't have time to move in quickly enough? Regardless, he was obviously somewhere in the area and just waiting for his perfect opportunity, since she came out again a couple minutes later, from what I understand.

I guess my point is that the perp. in the HS case did enough homework to find out that a female would be coming out that morning, but I don't think he knew exactly when, and it's obvious that he didn't know or care if a boyfriend was home at the time. Like I said, whether or not it's the same perp., I don't think it had to be someone who knew Holly terribly well or was necessarily familiar with her routine beyond guessing that she'd be coming out at some point that morning. JMO.

Apples2Apples
04-30-2011, 08:47 PM
See you guys later tonight!!

panthera
04-30-2011, 08:48 PM
Well, Clint WAS home and this guy still got away with it, so not sure he even figured Clint into his plan one way or the other...Clint even SAW him and he still got away with it...

So true. I keep thinking back to the possibility the perp tried to silence her when he abducted her (duct tape? knife point?) so he may even have realized someone was still in the house. Wouldn't Clint's car have been there also? MOO

cluciano63
04-30-2011, 08:51 PM
Unless he was prepared to deal with anyone who might appear from the house, i.e. he had a gun. I can't imagine he wouldn't have a gun, really, since everyone keeps saying that guns are so common there. Maybe that is why LE has not even bothered with the "armed and dangerous" thing...

maskedwoman
04-30-2011, 08:56 PM
I heard they did. Let me say I did not see it. But as I was told, every house in the immediate area was looked at and residents questioned. FBI went door to door. At least it was the FBI at three houses.

MOO, but I would bet they did. Years ago, here in Nashville, Marcia Trimble disappeared while delivering girl scout cookies. The case took 30 years or so to close. Police eventually found her in a garage a few doors away from her home. And it had been searched once before. LE was very embarrassed by that and I'm sure would NOT want to face a similar situation again, so I would not see them leaving an empty house unsearched.

maskedwoman
04-30-2011, 08:58 PM
The reports I read said Decauter (sp?) County & Henderson County, which I believe are net to each other.

Just a thought but they could be searching an area of park that is in both counties.

maskedwoman
04-30-2011, 09:04 PM
Whoa! Look at this article! It says Wednesday and Thursday...Not Tuesday?

I'm confused... she disappeared April 13th right? That's Wednesday. What's wrong?

Carla Lashelle
04-30-2011, 09:04 PM
MOO, but I would bet they did. Years ago, here in Nashville, Marcia Trimble disappeared while delivering girl scout cookies. The case took 30 years or so to close. Police eventually found her in a garage a few doors away from her home. And it had been searched once before. LE was very embarrassed by that and I'm sure would NOT want to face a similar situation again, so I would not see them leaving an empty house unsearched.

Look at the job LE did searching John Couey's trailer in the Jessica Lundsford kidnapping. Even though he was a SO who had failed to register, they just aksed him if he had seen the girl and went away without looking inside.

maskedwoman
04-30-2011, 09:05 PM
So true. I keep thinking back to the possibility the perp tried to silence her when he abducted her (duct tape? knife point?) so he may even have realized someone was still in the house. Wouldn't Clint's car have been there also? MOO

Just a guess but if he emerged from the woods behind the house, CB's car could have been in front. He might never have seen it.

greengreen
04-30-2011, 09:10 PM
Sorry guys!!!

GreenGreen, glad you are around. How are you holding up? How's your family holding up? Is morale okay around town good?

Im glad to see what outsiders think. Everyone is I think starting to come out of the shock. There are many emotions right now as everyone seems to be handling this differently. For the most part, everyone is still hopeful that she is alive.

panthera
04-30-2011, 09:10 PM
Just a guess but if he emerged from the woods behind the house, CB's car could have been in front. He might never have seen it.

That's also a possibility. It was Holly he was targeting, after all, and where her car was parked. MOO

greengreen
04-30-2011, 09:13 PM
Are they searching in more than one county?

If so, that does not sound as specific and/or promising as I had first hoped...

It was near the line I was told. That did not come from the LE so I cannot say I am 100% sure.

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 09:13 PM
Look at the job LE did searching John Couey's trailer in the Jessica Lundsford kidnapping. Even though he was a SO who had failed to register, they just aksed him if he had seen the girl and went away without looking inside.

That was one of the saddest cases ever... it still haunts me.

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 09:15 PM
So true. I keep thinking back to the possibility the perp tried to silence her when he abducted her (duct tape? knife point?) so he may even have realized someone was still in the house. Wouldn't Clint's car have been there also? MOO

I'm thinking definitely gunpoint. MOO

panthera
04-30-2011, 09:20 PM
I'm thinking definitely gunpoint. MOO

I was thinking knife, *if* the blood in the driveway is Holly's.

greengreen
04-30-2011, 09:23 PM
MOO, but I would bet they did. Years ago, here in Nashville, Marcia Trimble disappeared while delivering girl scout cookies. The case took 30 years or so to close. Police eventually found her in a garage a few doors away from her home. And it had been searched once before. LE was very embarrassed by that and I'm sure would NOT want to face a similar situation again, so I would not see them leaving an empty house unsearched.

I didn't really make clear what I said. I know LE went door to door, I am just not sure if it was the FBI at all the houses. I have talked to 3 different residents where in fact it was the FBI.

concentric
04-30-2011, 09:24 PM
The abductor in the Elizabeth Smart case, put a knife to her throat immediately to get her to comply.

greengreen
04-30-2011, 09:26 PM
Look at the job LE did searching John Couey's trailer in the Jessica Lundsford kidnapping. Even though he was a SO who had failed to register, they just aksed him if he had seen the girl and went away without looking inside.

Everyone was asked if their property could be searched.

shefner
04-30-2011, 09:28 PM
Everyone was asked if their property could be searched.

Do we know if everyone complied?

concentric
04-30-2011, 09:28 PM
Elizabeth Smart testifies:

http://www.standard.net/topics/courts/2010/11/08/elizabeth-smart-testifies-knife-was-held-her-throat

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 09:30 PM
MOO, but I would bet they did. Years ago, here in Nashville, Marcia Trimble disappeared while delivering girl scout cookies. The case took 30 years or so to close. Police eventually found her in a garage a few doors away from her home. And it had been searched once before. LE was very embarrassed by that and I'm sure would NOT want to face a similar situation again, so I would not see them leaving an empty house unsearched.

I lived in the same neighborhood where this happened. My friend is married to the guy's brother that they suspected all along. He lived a hellish life up until DNA proved everyone wrong. My own daughter was kidnapped, I didn't see her again for 6 years...Therefore, the reason I return here. Sad, but true! BTW...My daughter was found alive, and well! She is the light of my life...

CHARLISA
04-30-2011, 09:31 PM
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979278739

Can someone tell me what "high profile investigators" are?

wfgodot
04-30-2011, 09:38 PM
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979278739

Can someone tell me what "high profile investigators" are?

They're the kind of investigators who show up in the copy of amateur writers who really don't know much about what's going on, but want to act like they have the inside info.

maskedwoman
04-30-2011, 09:40 PM
I didn't really make clear what I said. I know LE went door to door, I am just not sure if it was the FBI at all the houses. I have talked to 3 different residents where in fact it was the FBI.

Oh, thank you for the clarification! I'm sure it was probably me. :blushing: I've driven 700 miles since yesterday for my daughter's college graduation and am totally FRIED. I should probably give up on complex thoughts for the day, lol.

maskedwoman
04-30-2011, 09:43 PM
I lived in the same neighborhood where this happened. My friend is married to the guy's brother that they suspected all along. He lived a hellish life up until DNA proved everyone wrong. My own daughter was kidnapped, I didn't see her again for 6 years...Therefore, the reason I return here. Sad, but true! BTW...My daughter was found alive, and well! She is the light of my life...

Wow, small world. My uncle (a little oddd) was among those they asked to provide DNA. Yes, I agree with you. Caylee Anthony was why I found websleuths. I never knew about it until then. But Marcia is one of the reasons I come back. I can't imagine the anguish of having your child go missing and I can't fathom the animal it takes to do what some of these butchers do. Actual, that's an insult to animals.

Holly, where are you???

greengreen
04-30-2011, 09:44 PM
Do we know if everyone complied?

I am under the impression that no, not everyone did.

greengreen
04-30-2011, 09:46 PM
I lived in the same neighborhood where this happened. My friend is married to the guy's brother that they suspected all along. He lived a hellish life up until DNA proved everyone wrong. My own daughter was kidnapped, I didn't see her again for 6 years...Therefore, the reason I return here. Sad, but true! BTW...My daughter was found alive, and well! She is the light of my life...

Thank you for sharing and what wonderful news about being reunited with your daughter! Hopefully it will be the same outcome for the Bobo family!

evelyn24
04-30-2011, 09:47 PM
I know this isn't likely, but sometimes I think the perp may have just been taking a chance. He obviously knew she lived there, but he may have just figured she would come out at some point in the morning but didn't know her exact schedule.

I got this idea from the HS case. Whether or not this is the same perp, it still gave me some ideas. HS's boyfriend was home at the time, and either the perp. didn't know or it wasn't enough to deter him, so either of the two of these could have been a possibility in Holly's case, too (with reference to the brother, this time). Another strange thing was that, from what I've read, HS had come out of the house and gone back in a couple minutes before her attack happened. I've always wondered why the perp. didn't do anything at that point. Asleep on the "job", maybe? Wasn't expecting her to come out so early? Wasn't paying attention? Caught off guard? Hiding out in the woods nearby and didn't have time to move in quickly enough? Regardless, he was obviously somewhere in the area and just waiting for his perfect opportunity, since she came out again a couple minutes later, from what I understand.

I guess my point is that the perp. in the HS case did enough homework to find out that a female would be coming out that morning, but I don't think he knew exactly when, and it's obvious that he didn't know or care if a boyfriend was home at the time. Like I said, whether or not it's the same perp., I don't think it had to be someone who knew Holly terribly well or was necessarily familiar with her routine beyond guessing that she'd be coming out at some point that morning. JMO.


It was still dark outside with HS's perp grabbed her arm. Maybe HS's perp didn't care who else was in the house because he thought he could get her under control without being seen at that time of the morning.


Also, I want to keep in mind that HS's perp didn't say anything threatening, and he didn't attempt to attack her. He grabbed her arm, and ran when she screamed because her bf looked out of the window. Now, of course he was up to no good because he did run, but what kind of no good? Maybe he was going to rob her for drug money? Maybe he wanted her car?
idk..just throwing it out there.
We don't know if his intention was to abduct HS. Could be two different people with two different agendas.

greengreen
04-30-2011, 09:49 PM
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979278739

Can someone tell me what "high profile investigators" are?

Lol I guess that would depend on who was doing the talking. Personally, I wouldn't know any investigator if I saw one.

Some Beach
04-30-2011, 09:49 PM
I live in the country in TN and am also single. I have taken extra precautions since this abduction, and will continue to do so. I can only pray that they find Holly, and the person responsible!

I would have sent you a private message, but don't know how to do it, and don't even know if I have those privileges.

You don't know how glad I am to hear you say this. I too am a single woman living in the country (Benton County). I moved here from Northern Illinois and have lived here for a year. Up until Holly's disappearance, I felt very safe. I never closed the curtains, left the back door wide open at night, really thought that I could practically walk around naked in my backyard if I wanted to, and nobody would be the wiser.

I wasn't even aware of the SO in Benton County who was arrested on 4/19 for stalking women until I read it here.

I've become VERY uncomfortable - won't even go out to my car after dark. I do NOT like feeling these feelings.

There is something that rings true in ignorance being bliss, and living an oblivious sort of life.......

Thank you for sharing your feelings - I thought it was just me becoming overly paranoid.

I hope that big dogs and a shotgun are enough protection if necessary.

Also, something that keeps coming back to my head is something I learned on the Oprah show - NEVER, EVER let an attacker take you to another location...

Boy, that felt good to get it out there.

For now, I am NOT Happy Bonnie.

greengreen
04-30-2011, 09:49 PM
Oh, thank you for the clarification! I'm sure it was probably me. :blushing: I've driven 700 miles since yesterday for my daughter's college graduation and am totally FRIED. I should probably give up on complex thoughts for the day, lol.

No it was the way I worded it. The bad thing about not talking in person :/

shefner
04-30-2011, 09:51 PM
I am under the impression that no, not everyone did.

Yes, this is my impression as well.

shefner
04-30-2011, 09:52 PM
They're the kind of investigators who show up in the copy of amateur writers who really don't know much about what's going on, but want to act like they have the inside info.

Go dot.....you are still funny.

concentric
04-30-2011, 09:53 PM
He's still waiting for Godot

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 09:58 PM
Thank you for sharing and what wonderful news about being reunited with your daughter! Hopefully it will be the same outcome for the Bobo family!

I know! And many thanks! Her Mom, and the community, just need to never give up HOPE!! Ever!

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 09:59 PM
I am under the impression that no, not everyone did.

Well then... very interesting JMO.

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 10:01 PM
On the post that said how Oprah's show taught to never let them take you to another location- I have heard that too. They say that you should kick, scream, do whatever you have to. If they have a weapon, and you are moving, there's a small chance that you would get a fatal would. But realistically- if you go anywhere other than that original site, you are not making it out alive.

evelyn24
04-30-2011, 10:04 PM
That was one of the saddest cases ever... it still haunts me.

Me too, and talk about eery:


Jessica belonged to a church youth group, King's Kids, and had attended a meeting the night before she disappeared. She'd been preparing for a contest, memorizing a passage from the Bible, Philippians 4:13: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

Holly's favorite.

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 10:19 PM
Lol I guess that would depend on who was doing the talking. Personally, I wouldn't know any investigator if I saw one.

That's a good thing. MOO

goldiegirl
04-30-2011, 10:22 PM
It was still dark outside with HS's perp grabbed her arm. Maybe HS's perp didn't care who else was in the house because he thought he could get her under control without being seen at that time of the morning.


Also, I want to keep in mind that HS's perp didn't say anything threatening, and he didn't attempt to attack her. He grabbed her arm, and ran when she screamed because her bf looked out of the window. Now, of course he was up to no good because he did run, but what kind of no good? Maybe he was going to rob her for drug money? Maybe he wanted her car?
idk..just throwing it out there.
We don't know if his intention was to abduct HS. Could be two different people with two different agendas.

Very good points about not knowing what the perp.'s intentions were. FWIW, I wasn't necessarily suggesting that it was the same person, just making note of the fact that, regardless of what he was up to, he either didn't know or didn't care if someone was home, and this could be the same in Holly's case, even if it's someone else. All this is to say that I don't think it necessarily had to be someone who knew her schedule exactly, just that there was a good chance he'd encounter her that morning. MOO

Gofigure
04-30-2011, 10:25 PM
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979278739

Can someone tell me what "high profile investigators" are?

Charlisa, I'm thinking high profile case, widely distributed. TBI/FBI perhaps?

MsFacetious
04-30-2011, 10:30 PM
I am under the impression that no, not everyone did.

I have also heard/read this as well... I'm glad to see you say it because I cannot find where I heard/read it from. :banghead:

Maybe you had said it before and I just remember reading it from you?

norest4thewicked
04-30-2011, 10:43 PM
I can't find the info I am looking at on the SO that was arrested. Does anyone know the timeline on when he was arrested, etc.?

cluciano63
04-30-2011, 10:47 PM
I can't find the info I am looking at on the SO that was arrested. Does anyone know the timeline on when he was arrested, etc.?

The article about his arrest is dated April 18th...
His last name is Nickell or Nickells...

maskedwoman
04-30-2011, 10:51 PM
My poor brain is empty. Good night and prayers that Holly is found tomorrow!

norest4thewicked
04-30-2011, 10:56 PM
The article about his arrest is dated April 18th...
His last name is Nickell or Nickells...

Well that's interesting. I hope that HS could at least rule him out if it wasn't him who grabbed her. She lives in a fairly remote area as well (from what I've read) and a guy grabbing you in the dark is NOT going to be there to rob you. I am not saying it's this guy, but I can't get past this attempted abduction just a couple of months before. Whoever it was probably was stalking HS first and then when this happened, he decided to stop stalking her and perhaps saw Holly somewhere and began to stalk her. I know that stalkers can stalk more than one person at a time. BTK stalked more than one and would just go to the next person if that one didn't pan out. He even broke into a woman's house that he was stalking, but she wasn't home that night. He sent her a letter afterwards telling her how lucky she was that she wasn't home.

Perhaps he does live in Holly's community, but I just am having trouble getting past the HS case.

thisgirl
04-30-2011, 11:07 PM
I'm thinking definitely gunpoint. MOO

i dont know, i have this feeling that what the brother saw must have looked totally natural & non threatening for him not to react negatively right away.

not sure if this makes sense but im thinking of it like say as a parent, when you hear your kids cry you instinctively know if it's one of those "this is bad i need to help" cries or just an "okay you can probably let them work that out" cries.

in hindsight they are saying she must have been "dragged out" (& i have seen this term being discussed as a figure of speech what have you) or that she would not have gone willingly - but i think instinctively if she was behaving even in slightest bit apprehensive i wonder if the brother would have picked up on that & reacted differently?
& not at all saying she went off willingly, but was maybe tricked somehow in a non threatening way?

& yet the blood:waitasec:

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 11:12 PM
i dont know, i have this feeling that what the brother saw must have looked totally natural & non threatening for him not to react negatively right away.

not sure if this makes sense but im thinking of it like say as a parent, when you hear your kids cry you instinctively know if it's one of those "this is bad i need to help" cries or just an "okay you can probably let them work that out" cries.

in hindsight they are saying she must have been "dragged out" (& i have seen this term being discussed as a figure of speech what have you) or that she would not have gone willingly - but i think instinctively if she was behaving even in slightest bit apprehensive i wonder if the brother would have picked up on that & reacted differently?
& not at all saying she went off willingly, but was maybe tricked somehow in a non threatening way?

& yet the blood:waitasec:

The blood bothers me. We don't know whose it is, or therefore if it's even related. Too much coincidence to not be I know. But still so odd.

evelyn24
04-30-2011, 11:15 PM
Well that's interesting. I hope that HS could at least rule him out if it wasn't him who grabbed her. She lives in a fairly remote area as well (from what I've read) and a guy grabbing you in the dark is NOT going to be there to rob you. I am not saying it's this guy, but I can't get past this attempted abduction just a couple of months before. Whoever it was probably was stalking HS first and then when this happened, he decided to stop stalking her and perhaps saw Holly somewhere and began to stalk her. I know that stalkers can stalk more than one person at a time. BTK stalked more than one and would just go to the next person if that one didn't pan out. He even broke into a woman's house that he was stalking, but she wasn't home that night. He sent her a letter afterwards telling her how lucky she was that she wasn't home.

Perhaps he does live in Holly's community, but I just am having trouble getting past the HS case.



I was just throwing it out there, because we just don't know if HS was stalked or was a target of someone wanting to abduct her. Clearly the guy was up to no good though, and I'm glad she came forward to the media to talk about it and hopefully focus LE on what happened.

shefner
04-30-2011, 11:16 PM
i dont know, i have this feeling that what the brother saw must have looked totally natural & non threatening for him not to react negatively right away.

not sure if this makes sense but im thinking of it like say as a parent, when you hear your kids cry you instinctively know if it's one of those "this is bad i need to help" cries or just an "okay you can probably let them work that out" cries.

in hindsight they are saying she must have been "dragged out" (& i have seen this term being discussed as a figure of speech what have you) or that she would not have gone willingly - but i think instinctively if she was behaving even in slightest bit apprehensive i wonder if the brother would have picked up on that & reacted differently?
& not at all saying she went off willingly, but was maybe tricked somehow in a non threatening way?

& yet the blood:waitasec:

All I can say is that someone who lived a rural neighbor's distance away heard a scream/or screams that caused her such alarm that she called 911. She felt certain it was Holly.

thisgirl
04-30-2011, 11:21 PM
All I can say is that someone who lived a rural neighbor's distance away heard a scream/or screams that caused her such alarm that she called 911. She felt certain it was Holly.

right, & that could very well be an important piece to the puzzle which could have occurred after she was seen talking to someone?

i was just responding to the thought that maybe she was taken by gunpoint, im not sure that fits, but what do i know.

evelyn24
04-30-2011, 11:21 PM
All I can say is that someone who lived a rural neighbor's distance away heard a scream/or screams that caused her such alarm that she called 911. She felt certain it was Holly.
See, isn't this one of the things we can't get LE to confirm? That the scream was Holly and the neighbor who heard it called 911?
I would love to know the sequence of events that morning and who beside's Clint placed a call to 911. Some people say it was Holly's mom.
idk idk

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 11:22 PM
JMO - Very odd that they won't even disclose the timing or existence of 911 calls.

norest4thewicked
04-30-2011, 11:36 PM
JMO - Very odd that they won't even disclose the timing or existence of 911 calls.

I know that there were some times released of 911 calls, but I am not sure that they were released by LE. The ONLY thing that has been verified thus far that I know of is that they found Holly's lunch box 8 miles from her house. Everything else has been rumor.

cluciano63
04-30-2011, 11:46 PM
I think she would have put her things down if she was going into the woods on a pretense to help someone, i.e. and would have dropped the things if he had grabbed her from behind and surprised her...I think he most likely walked up to her with a weapon showing (I think he had a gun, even if blood came from something else) and that she froze, thereby still carrying lunch bag, purse, books, etc...and followed his orders.

norest4thewicked
04-30-2011, 11:52 PM
I think she would have put her things down if she was going into the woods on a pretense to help someone, i.e. and would have dropped the things if he had grabbed her from behind and surprised her...I think he most likely walked up to her with a weapon showing (I think he had a gun, even if blood came from something else) and that she froze, thereby still carrying lunch bag, purse, books, etc...and followed his orders.

I agree with this. I think the best description was that she was "led by the arm" into the woods.

CHARLISA
04-30-2011, 11:56 PM
I think she would have put her things down if she was going into the woods on a pretense to help someone, i.e. and would have dropped the things if he had grabbed her from behind and surprised her...I think he most likely walked up to her with a weapon showing (I think he had a gun, even if blood came from something else) and that she froze, thereby still carrying lunch bag, purse, books, etc...and followed his orders.

She would't drop everything if it was in a backpack to begin with and her purse was slung over her shoulder. He probably did have a gun tho. A lot more threatening IMO than a knife to get her to comply. If he cornered her in the carport then she didn't have anywhere to go either. So sad. :(

Rallihanna
04-30-2011, 11:57 PM
I think she would have put her things down if she was going into the woods on a pretense to help someone, i.e. and would have dropped the things if he had grabbed her from behind and surprised her...I think he most likely walked up to her with a weapon showing (I think he had a gun, even if blood came from something else) and that she froze, thereby still carrying lunch bag, purse, books, etc...and followed his orders.

Great analysis!

cluciano63
05-01-2011, 12:15 AM
She would't drop everything if it was in a backpack to begin with and her purse was slung over her shoulder. He probably did have a gun tho. A lot more threatening IMO than a knife to get her to comply. If he cornered her in the carport then she didn't have anywhere to go either. So sad. :(

I know LE mentioned for searchers to look for her purse, books, keys or a phone but I never heard mention of a backpack.

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:16 AM
I have also heard/read this as well... I'm glad to see you say it because I cannot find where I heard/read it from. :banghead:

Maybe you had said it before and I just remember reading it from you?

I don't remember posting about that before, but I may have. It's well known around town that not everyone agreed to let their property be searched.

Kimster
05-01-2011, 12:19 AM
I don't remember posting about that before, but I may have. It's well known around town that not everyone agreed to let their property be searched.

That's not unusual, unfortunately. I've heard the same in other missing persons' cases as well. :( If it were me, I'll let them search all over my property, inside and out!

liltexans
05-01-2011, 12:20 AM
I respect the local residents' overall feelings and belief that Holly is alive and being held captive somewhere or secreted away, but I have to say, that as time passes, I can't quite understand it.

I truly hope that Holly is somehow still alive. Nothing would be more wonderful and amazing. I just can't figure out a plausible scenario where she is.

People keep mentioning Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee Duggard and they are miraculous examples of survival, but they were also kidnapped as children. Elizabeth's abductor believed Elizabeth was one of his "wives", I think. In his mind, he wasn't harming her. Of course what he did was reprehensible, but I don't know if he ever planned to kill her. I think he was planning to keep her. I think Jaycee's situation was similar in that respect.

Can anyone who knows more about those 2 cases tell me if any of Elizabeth's or Jaycee's clothing or other personal items were found strewn about or discarded somewhere before the girls were found?

If the person who took Holly was motivated by obsession, jealousy, rage, or revenge, or all of the above, why would he keep her alive? I know that we don't know who took her or what the motive was, but I'm just speculating for the purposes of this discussion.

I hope I'm wrong and Holly is a live prisoner right now and will be found at any moment and returned to her family, but I just can't see how it's possible.

Nana46
05-01-2011, 12:26 AM
That's not unusual, unfortunately. I've heard the same in other missing persons' cases as well. :( If it were me, I'll let them search all over my property, inside and out!

I cannot imagine anyone refusing to let them search!!! Dang are they afraid LE will see what all they have???LOL, that just blows my mind...I would do anything in the world if I thought it would help find a missing person....search whatever I have!!!! Just makes no sense to me,IMO.

goldiegirl
05-01-2011, 12:57 AM
This is a dumb question considering I majored in CJ and my husband just finished his second year of law school, but he's asleep so I'll ask here instead - in cases where people refuse to let LE search their property, there's nothing that can be done without a warrant, right? Man, how frustrating! I mean, I understand they can't just make it mandatory that everyone lets LE on their property, but what if they had an entire neighborhood refuse? That's just too bad, and there's nothing they can do?

grandmaj
05-01-2011, 01:04 AM
Yes Goldie LE would need to have probable cause to request a judge to issue a warrant to search the property.

LadyD'enah
05-01-2011, 01:14 AM
I'm really sorry if you guys have discussed this already - I'm pretty time poor and don't always read all the postings on each thread.

However, has anyone given any thought as to *why* the only confirmed fact (other than that Holly is missing) was the information about her lunch box being found?

I've been racking my brain, and cannot come up with any suggestion as to why they confirmed that, but nothing else. There has to be a reason for it.

cluciano63
05-01-2011, 01:21 AM
I'm really sorry if you guys have discussed this already - I'm pretty time poor and don't always read all the postings on each thread.

However, has anyone given any thought as to *why* the only confirmed fact (other than that Holly is missing) was the information about her lunch box being found?

I've been racking my brain, and cannot come up with any suggestion as to why they confirmed that, but nothing else. There has to be a reason for it.

I don't think it is anything mysterious...it was early days before other agencies came in and put the lid on any info coming out. I think that's all there is to that.

cfreyja23
05-01-2011, 01:22 AM
i dont know, i have this feeling that what the brother saw must have looked totally natural & non threatening for him not to react negatively right away.

not sure if this makes sense but im thinking of it like say as a parent, when you hear your kids cry you instinctively know if it's one of those "this is bad i need to help" cries or just an "okay you can probably let them work that out" cries.

in hindsight they are saying she must have been "dragged out" (& i have seen this term being discussed as a figure of speech what have you) or that she would not have gone willingly - but i think instinctively if she was behaving even in slightest bit apprehensive i wonder if the brother would have picked up on that & reacted differently?
& not at all saying she went off willingly, but was maybe tricked somehow in a non threatening way?

& yet the blood:waitasec:

I was listing out reasons earlier why I thought LE believed it was someone from the community, but left this one out. The reaction of the brother is a HUGE clue, IMO. If you've lived with someone for 20 years, and you see their behavior, you can read their reactions. I know for a fact that if I saw my sis talking with some creepy guy and she felt threatened/weirded out in the slightest, I would pick up on her non-verbal communication even if I was standing far away from her. The fact that the brother instinctively did not believe his sis was in immediate danger based on the few seconds he saw leads me to believe that, at least at that very moment he observed, Holly herself did not feel threatened. The only way that is possible, IMO, is if it was someone she had met before. Hunting season or no, some random person showing up on your property in the morning is suspicious, surely even to a sweet-natured girl from the country.

goldiegirl
05-01-2011, 01:23 AM
I'm really sorry if you guys have discussed this already - I'm pretty time poor and don't always read all the postings on each thread.

However, has anyone given any thought as to *why* the only confirmed fact (other than that Holly is missing) was the information about her lunch box being found?

I've been racking my brain, and cannot come up with any suggestion as to why they confirmed that, but nothing else. There has to be a reason for it.

We'd like to think they have a reason for everything they're doing, but sometimes we're not so sure. I guess I shouldn't speak for others, but I know there are those who trust in what LE is doing and those who believe the case is being bungled and that there's no rhyme nor reason to what's being released and what's not. Those who believe LE is doing the best they can believe that there is a reason behind which information they are releasing and which they are keeping close to the vest, as in maybe they think it would be damaging to the investigation if they release the descriptions of the other items found.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 01:31 AM
Elizabeth Smart testifies:

http://www.standard.net/topics/courts/2010/11/08/elizabeth-smart-testifies-knife-was-held-her-throat

*shudder*

cluciano63
05-01-2011, 01:34 AM
I think people "see" what makes the most sense to them, why would her brother expect to see his sister being abducted? The man resembled the BF enough for his brain to decide that was what he was seeing so that is what he thought. If Holly was motioning or gesturing oddly, he may have processed it differently, but she must have appeared, from the back at least, to be walking in a voluntary way.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 01:37 AM
I lived in the same neighborhood where this happened. My friend is married to the guy's brother that they suspected all along. He lived a hellish life up until DNA proved everyone wrong. My own daughter was kidnapped, I didn't see her again for 6 years...Therefore, the reason I return here. Sad, but true! BTW...My daughter was found alive, and well! She is the light of my life...

6 years?

now THAT is hell.

It's none of our business...but...if you are so inclined - who took your daughter? Was justice served?

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 01:42 AM
I would have sent you a private message, but don't know how to do it, and don't even know if I have those privileges.

You don't know how glad I am to hear you say this. I too am a single woman living in the country (Benton County). I moved here from Northern Illinois and have lived here for a year. Up until Holly's disappearance, I felt very safe. I never closed the curtains, left the back door wide open at night, really thought that I could practically walk around naked in my backyard if I wanted to, and nobody would be the wiser.

I wasn't even aware of the SO in Benton County who was arrested on 4/19 for stalking women until I read it here.

I've become VERY uncomfortable - won't even go out to my car after dark. I do NOT like feeling these feelings.

There is something that rings true in ignorance being bliss, and living an oblivious sort of life.......

Thank you for sharing your feelings - I thought it was just me becoming overly paranoid.

I hope that big dogs and a shotgun are enough protection if necessary.

Also, something that keeps coming back to my head is something I learned on the Oprah show - NEVER, EVER let an attacker take you to another location...

Boy, that felt good to get it out there.

For now, I am NOT Happy Bonnie.

none of us are happy, Bonnie. :grouphug:

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 01:44 AM
On the post that said how Oprah's show taught to never let them take you to another location- I have heard that too. They say that you should kick, scream, do whatever you have to. If they have a weapon, and you are moving, there's a small chance that you would get a fatal would. But realistically- if you go anywhere other than that original site, you are not making it out alive.

yup.

"faint"
maybe even have an epileptic episode. ;) and pass out. limp.

cfreyja23
05-01-2011, 01:44 AM
I think people "see" what makes the most sense to them, why would her brother expect to see his sister being abducted? The man resembled the BF enough for his brain to decide that was what he was seeing so that is what he thought. If Holly was motioning or gesturing oddly, he may have processed it differently, but she must have appeared, from the back at least, to be walking in a voluntary way.

No, I'm not saying that he should have realized that his sister was being abducted. That is not the point I was trying to make. Who's first thought would be, "I'm witnessing an abduction?" Not most people's first thought.
On the other hand, though, why would he think it was normal for her BF to show up on their property when his sis is going to work? Unless that happened frequently, most people would at least stop for a second and think, "hmm, something is different." I would think a big brother who had even the slightest inkling that something was out of the ordinary would at least look a little longer, not necessarily walk down and investigate, but would look to make sure what he was seeing was something normal.
Just to be clear for the moderator's sake, I"m not blaming the brother for anything, I'm merely pointing out that his reaction to what he saw suggests that Holly was not in fear at that precise moment. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 01:48 AM
Respectfully,

IMO, this person knew Holly's schedule was about to change and took action based on that knowledge.

I wish I'd seen that article weeks ago.

But it's okay, b/c I'm pretty sure LE has their guy, and is just looking for evidence. :(

:cow:

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 01:56 AM
I have 4 brothers.

At that age, they were just ... intuitive idiots. Seriously. If they had the passing thought that I was with my boyfriend - that would have been it. They would have had not another thought - other than getting to work on time...

:cow: My brothers had no access to their intuition until they were in their mid-20's. I mean, they went to college, graduated, had good jobs, and were very bright but ... socially... my experience says ... they were idiots, and I guess that's why Clint gets a pass from my judgment.

Holly's brother will never be the same. He is a victim, 2nd only to Holly.
I hope the whole family is already getting him counseling.

:cow:

MsFacetious
05-01-2011, 02:00 AM
I had managed to block out for the most part just how badly our LE screwed up Elizabeth Smart's case... I've looked into it all over again because of Holly's case... I really hope LE in Holly's case isn't making similar mistakes.

I had blocked out the fact that the dogs were leading them straight to Elizabeth... less than a week after her abduction... and the handlers were all excited... and the COPS decided they had "walked long enough." They still had 2+ hours till dark. :banghead:

In Plain Sight: The Startling Truth Behind the Elizabeth Smart Investigation
By Tom Smart and Lee Benson

That's not unusual, unfortunately. I've heard the same in other missing persons' cases as well. :( If it were me, I'll let them search all over my property, inside and out!

Not even just searches or missing person's cases.

We are getting ready to have major flooding... the worst since 1983... the city is coming in and cleaning out the creeks, putting up sandbags and doing other things to do what they can to protect homes.

There was at least one guy who just simply refused to allow them on his property. This isn't a search... they would just be working in his yard. :waitasec:

They said if it comes down to it, protecting the rest of the homes will override trespassing and they can go anyway. But he must really dislike government or have something major to hide... if he wants to clean the debris out himself, sandbag by himself and do whatever else needs to be done!

People are strange...

MsFacetious
05-01-2011, 02:01 AM
Holly's brother Clint is in his mid 20's... he's 25.

I just thought I'd clarify... If it's relevant... lol


I have 4 brothers.

At that age, they were just ... intuitive idiots. Seriously. If they had the passing thought that I was with my boyfriend - that would have been it. They would have had not another thought - other than getting to work on time...

:cow: My brothers had no access to their intuition until they were in their mid-20's. I mean, they went to college, graduated, had good jobs, and were very bright but ... socially... my experience says ... they were idiots, and I guess that's why Clint gets a pass from my judgment.

Holly's brother will never be the same. He is a victim, 2nd only to Holly.
I hope the whole family is already getting him counseling.

:cow:

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 02:03 AM
Holly's brother Clint is in his mid 20's... he's 25.

I just thought I'd clarify... If it's relevant... lol

I realize that. I'm sure every man's maturity clock is different. Holly's brother was, apparently, still living at home... :cow:

goldiegirl
05-01-2011, 02:35 AM
I realize that. I'm sure every man's maturity clock is different. Holly's brother was, apparently, still living at home... :cow:

Eh, I wouldn't factor the living at home into anything. From what I've heard, he has a good job and is an upstanding member of the community. Emma, I love all of your posts, and this is nothing personal at all, but I wouldn't imply that he's slow or immature or anything like that. I definitely agree with your first post about how young men don't tend to pay attention to their sisters hanging out with their boyfriends. I don't find it odd at all that Clint didn't look further. He's 25 and Holly is 20. For all he knew she had planned something with her bf before school. At that age, you don't tell your brother everything you are doing, and I doubt they discussed her plans for the day before going to sleep the night before. I don't think Clint's living at home implies anything, but I don't fault him at all for not looking more closely. The dynamic between brothers and sisters is just that way sometimes, and even in cases where brother and sister are very close, which he and Holly were from everything I've read, what he saw obviously didn't look suspicious to him for whatever reason. He thought it was the boyfriend, and he wasn't going to butt into Holly's business. I'm sure he feels awful about it, but he did nothing wrong IMO. It's unfortunate that he didn't see more, but it's not his fault.

cluciano63
05-01-2011, 02:43 AM
My brothers never would have had any clue about my schedule or what was usual for me in the morning, I have to say. I know it is being said that this family is especially close, which may be true, but still, I think it would be more unusual if a brother knew exactly what time his sister was supposed to be at school and what her morning routine consisted of, I guess...

not_my_kids
05-01-2011, 02:49 AM
I know that there were some times released of 911 calls, but I am not sure that they were released by LE. The ONLY thing that has been verified thus far that I know of is that they found Holly's lunch box 8 miles from her house. Everything else has been rumor.

The 7:59 a.m. timing of the first 911 call was not rumor. It came directly from the sheriff. Not that that makes it gospel or anything, but it wasn't rumor. I think if the sheriff were still the one giving out the info, we would know a lot more right now, but TBI is holding to their silence, and that means that we are all pretty much out of the info loop.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 02:50 AM
Eh, I wouldn't factor the living at home into anything. From what I've heard, he has a good job and is an upstanding member of the community. Emma, I love all of your posts, and this is nothing personal at all, but I wouldn't imply that he's slow or immature or anything like that. I definitely agree with your first post about how young men don't tend to pay attention to their sisters hanging out with their boyfriends. I don't find it odd at all that Clint didn't look further. He's 25 and Holly is 20. For all he knew she had planned something with her bf before school. At that age, you don't tell your brother everything you are doing, and I doubt they discussed her plans for the day before going to sleep the night before. I don't think Clint's living at home implies anything, but I don't fault him at all for not looking more closely. The dynamic between brothers and sisters is just that way sometimes, and even in cases where brother and sister are very close, which he and Holly were from everything I've read, what he saw obviously didn't look suspicious to him for whatever reason. He thought it was the boyfriend, and he wasn't going to butt into Holly's business. I'm sure he feels awful about it, but he did nothing wrong IMO. It's unfortunate that he didn't see more, but it's not his fault.

oh I totally agree, it's not his fault. I think folks (some folks) expect far too much of him. I really do have 4 brothers. Not a one lived at home after 18. Yet, it's not the living at home factor for me...it's the age... and ... the fact :innocent:that guys just don't pick up on all the signals girls do.

I don't mean to minimize a brother's love at all. I was just making an observation based on experience.

goldiegirl
05-01-2011, 02:55 AM
oh I totally agree, it's not his fault. I think folks (some folks) expect far too much of him. I really do have 4 brothers. Not a one lived at home after 18. Yet, it's not the living at home factor for me...it's the age... and ... the fact :innocent:that guys just don't pick up on all the signals girls do.

I don't mean to minimize a brother's love at all. I was just making an observation based on experience.

Yep, I think we're pretty much all on the same page about this : ) Sorry for the confusion about the living at home statement.

armagosavalley
05-01-2011, 03:17 AM
I can't find the info I am looking at on the SO that was arrested. Does anyone know the timeline on when he was arrested, etc.?

http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110418037

Trino
05-01-2011, 03:54 AM
I cannot imagine anyone refusing to let them search!!! Dang are they afraid LE will see what all they have???LOL, that just blows my mind...I would do anything in the world if I thought it would help find a missing person....search whatever I have!!!! Just makes no sense to me,IMO.

Maybe you're not familiar with LE searches. There's a big difference between searching and looking. Searchers take everything out and just leave it for owners to put things back together. In essence, they often make a real mess. So, I can understand the reluctance for searchers to come onto someone's property.

txsvicki
05-01-2011, 04:52 AM
I know LE mentioned for searchers to look for her purse, books, keys or a phone but I never heard mention of a backpack.


If Holly had clinicals that day she might not have been taking books or a back pack. Packing a lunch could mean that she only had 30 minutes to eat at a hospital.

cluciano63
05-01-2011, 05:04 AM
If Holly had clinicals that day she might not have been taking books or a back pack. Packing a lunch could mean that she only had 30 minutes to eat at a hospital.

True, but books were mentioned for searchers, so I think her family must have tried to deduce what she had with her.

MsFacetious
05-01-2011, 06:58 AM
Confirmation of today's search from John Mehr, special agent in charge with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation in Jackson.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110501/NEWS01/105010316

Law enforcement agencies used 50 to 75 officers in the cross-county search for Holly Bobo...

maskedwoman
05-01-2011, 07:41 AM
That's not unusual, unfortunately. I've heard the same in other missing persons' cases as well. :( If it were me, I'll let them search all over my property, inside and out!

I would as well. But, there is a certain percentage of jacklegs in any community, regardless of size. I can see that type refusing to let their property be searched "just because". As in just because it's the cops and that's what I was asked to do. Or just because I have some pot growing behind my barn, lol.

maskedwoman
05-01-2011, 07:49 AM
I was listing out reasons earlier why I thought LE believed it was someone from the community, but left this one out. The reaction of the brother is a HUGE clue, IMO. If you've lived with someone for 20 years, and you see their behavior, you can read their reactions. I know for a fact that if I saw my sis talking with some creepy guy and she felt threatened/weirded out in the slightest, I would pick up on her non-verbal communication even if I was standing far away from her. The fact that the brother instinctively did not believe his sis was in immediate danger based on the few seconds he saw leads me to believe that, at least at that very moment he observed, Holly herself did not feel threatened. The only way that is possible, IMO, is if it was someone she had met before. Hunting season or no, some random person showing up on your property in the morning is suspicious, surely even to a sweet-natured girl from the country.

I completely agree. Because I live out in the country, I react very strongly to anyone I don't know showing up on my property and would assume they are up to no good until proven otherwise. I think most people who live in rural areas are very sensitive to trespassers - partly because we know that help is farther away. I don't know if a young woman would react in quite the same way but I think she would at least feel cautious of a stranger.

froginTtown
05-01-2011, 08:12 AM
I think that she was in shock... I sure would be..!! Just like Heather Sullivan when she was nearly abducted at her rural home, first thing in the morning.... she said "I froze.!! Even people who have been trained for certain events admit when an attack actually happened that they forgot everything they learned because their minds went blank...

Snowbunny
05-01-2011, 08:37 AM
I've been trained in the field of LE but one morning at 6:00am I got into my vehicle to go to work and my windows had frost on them. I cleared the front window with my windshield washer fluid and rolled down my side windows so that I could see if there was any vehicles coming as I backed out of my driveway. It was dark out at the time I rolled my windows down and no sooner had I done that someone stuck their head into my driver's side window and said good morning. I didn't know this person and my heart skipped several beats when it happened and I froze. The only saving grace I had was that my finger was still on the button to open/close the windows and I immediately started to close the window with this guy's head still stuck in the window. I was terrified. It turned out to be the guy who delivers the Shopper's News, but I never saw him when I got into my vehicle and I'm one who is very alert to what is around me. Needless to say the guy got screamed at for that stunt.

BeanE
05-01-2011, 08:43 AM
See BBM - below: Who knows this?!!!



http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/

Who knew she went to class on Tuesdays and on Wednesdays at 7:30?
And who knew when Holly's parents went to work?

And who knew it was Finals Week and that Holly wouldn't be getting up in the morning on a scheduled basis so that they could have this window of opportunity?

This timing reminds me of Kyron that way. End of school year schedule may have prompted this abduction.

C'mon peeps, this is a short list. It could very well be someone from her nursing program - at least someone who knew when she left the house every Wednesday.

I have to think that they KNOW who did this.

I wonder when the last day of class/exam was for her program?

:cow:

This article was a great find, Emmakins. Thanks for posting it.

oceanblueeyes
05-01-2011, 08:49 AM
I don't see anything leading to Holly's brother. Unless Ive missed it in this case... I haven't heard one unkind word said about this entire family. I see no dysfunctional family with any prior issues. They truly seem to be a very close tight knit family which isn't uncommon to find especially in the south, imo.

The abduction scenario doesn't make sense to some simply because we don't know exactly what transpired and how she was abducted because we weren't there when it happened. Then we try to use our logic instead of the abductor's thought processes and try to second guess what Holly should have done. It really just becomes a guessing game at this point.

Being the last known person never means that person is the one that harmed their family member. If that were an indicator then that would mean that everyone who went missing or was harmed it was done by a family member or the last known person to see them and that simply is not true.

Someone has to be the last known person to see someone before they go missing in every case that happens. Since Holly was abducted from her own home in a very rural area it only makes sense that person would be a family member who lived at the same place.

The flecks of blood found seems to me to be some type of wound that made a small prick in either the neck area or maybe her side and it sprayed tiny specks/flecks out when a vein was hit releasing a small mist of blood/flecks on the ground.

Of course the forensic experts can tell a lot about the blood pattern/spatter left behind. So I don't think the perp was bleeding but Holly was. Not enough to gravely harm her but enough she knew he was very serious.

I think he knew her habits and he was in the garage waiting when she came to get in her car.

IMO, none of the family and friends of Holly are the suspects they are looking for.

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The week prior Helm reiterated that no one has been ruled out in Holly’s abduction, and added that “the focus of law enforcement developing a suspect is outside immediate friends and family. Both Clint [Holly’s brother] and Drew [Holly’s boyfriend] have been helpful and cooperative throughout the investigation. Clint is being treated as an eyewitness.”


Continue reading on Examiner.com: Holly Bobo Abduction: Police presence in Henderson County - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-police-presence-henderson-county#ixzz1L6SrFZMJ
IMO

TxLady2
05-01-2011, 08:50 AM
Look at the job LE did searching John Couey's trailer in the Jessica Lundsford kidnapping. Even though he was a SO who had failed to register, they just aksed him if he had seen the girl and went away without looking inside.


They have no choice if the residents do not agree to a search, unless they get a search warrant and search warrants require "probable cause."

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 08:55 AM
They have no choice if the residents do not agree to a search, unless they get a search warrant and search warrants require "probable cause."

Seems to be when a young girl is kidnapped from her house and a dangerous RSO lives right next door 20 yards away that would be probable cause.

TxLady2
05-01-2011, 09:09 AM
I cannot imagine anyone refusing to let them search!!! Dang are they afraid LE will see what all they have???LOL, that just blows my mind...I would do anything in the world if I thought it would help find a missing person....search whatever I have!!!! Just makes no sense to me,IMO.

Not if you had something you wanted to hide, not necessarily related to Holly's abduction, but just something you didn't want prying eyes to find.
And believe it or not, there are people who just do not want any kind of intrusion, maybe just very private people who resent anyone barging into their homes for ANY reason. They may take a request to search their homes as a suggestion that they are under suspicion because they don't like or trust LE for whatever reason and would demand that LE have a warrant. And of course, LE cannot produce a warrant without probable cause so these persons use that as an "in your face" towards LE.
Remember, it takes all kinds. Not everyone is honest or caring or cooperative. Those are the kinds of people who make LE's job so difficult.

TxLady2
05-01-2011, 09:24 AM
Seems to be when a young girl is kidnapped from her house and a dangerous RSO lives right next door 20 yards away that would be probable cause.


Not to some judges, apparently. You would think it would be, but the law is the law and sometimes LE's hands are tied, which makes it that much harder to do their jobs. And in the end, they usually get the blame because they don't tell the public all the roadblocks that have been thrown up while they were investigating.

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 09:24 AM
Found this by chance. Nice aerial photo of Holly's house.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/Aerial20of20property.jpg

oceanblueeyes
05-01-2011, 09:45 AM
Found this by chance. Nice aerial photo of Holly's house.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/Aerial20of20property.jpg

Thank you for the photo. Carla.

I haven't been able to keep up with how Holly's home looks from the ground but did read the property listing on the property and it stated the garage is a detached garage.

Which side of this photo is the garage on? TIA

IMO

packerdog
05-01-2011, 09:57 AM
Maybe you're not familiar with LE searches. There's a big difference between searching and looking. Searchers take everything out and just leave it for owners to put things back together. In essence, they often make a real mess. So, I can understand the reluctance for searchers to come onto someone's property.

That's true. The first thing I would ask is for them to take off their shoes, as we are a shoeless house, meaning we don't wear shoes in the house. I wouldn't let them handle anything valuable either. I would let them search though.

Some Beach
05-01-2011, 09:58 AM
It's raining again here today with flash flood warnings in Decatur and the surrounding counties.

concentric
05-01-2011, 09:59 AM
Date that sex offender was arrested, in case it hasn't been posted yet:

http://www.abc24.com/mostpopular/story/Sex-Offender-Charged-With-Stalking-Two-Women-In/cElnYpEyLEWAxwVHnaZkDQ.cspx

On Monday, April 18, 2011, police arrested Nickell

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 10:04 AM
Thank you for the photo. Carla.

I haven't been able to keep up with how Holly's home looks from the ground but did read the property listing on the property and it stated the garage is a detached garage.

Which side of this photo is the garage on? TIA

IMO

Let me make a copy of the picture to put some notes and comments on and I will post them side by side.

concentric
05-01-2011, 10:12 AM
I immediately started to close the window with this guy's head still stuck in the window.

So when did you release him from the choke hold and could he talk?

concentric
05-01-2011, 10:16 AM
That's true. The first thing I would ask is for them to take off their shoes, as we are a shoeless house, meaning we don't wear shoes in the house. I wouldn't let them handle anything valuable either. I would let them search though.

Do you honestly think they would take their shoes off?

grandmaj
05-01-2011, 10:21 AM
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/image_thumb http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/bobo_h3.jpg/image_thumb

Thread #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133271) Thread #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133444)

Thread #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133530) Thread #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6348742#post6348742)

Thread #5 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6350683) Thread #6 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6353943&posted=1#post6353943)

Thread #7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133768) Thread #8 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133833)

Thread #9 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6364838#post6364838) Thread #10 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133993)

Thread #11 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134074) Thread #12 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6377579#post6377579)

Thread #13 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6381250#post6381250) Thread #14 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134281)

Thread #15 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6387922#post6387922) Thread #16 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6391824#post6391824)

Thread #17 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6398487#post6398487) Thread #18 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6404278#post6404278)

Thread #19 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134723)

-RUMORS are not allowed and will be removed.
-It's fine to discuss the brother and anyone mentioned in the media and tied to this case. Its not ok to talk about him or anyone as a suspect or POI. No one has been named as such.
-If you are new to us here, please take a moment to review our Terms of Service and Rules, especially the piece regarding social networking sites (Facebook and Twitter):
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STOP FLINGING MUD AT HOLLY'S FAMILY REGARDING THE T-SHIRTS! End of story.

Professional Posters & Verified Locals/Insiders (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106653)

Holly Bobo Map (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=35.679217,-88.175486&spn=0.007617,0.013057&t=h&z=17)
Created by Hollye Thanks!

Some blog sites are not allowed to be linked to because of so many rumors being posted on them. Please pm a Mod if its not posted below to see if they are allowed.
The following blog sites are allowed to be linked to:
Case Signal (BeanE's site)
Val - The Hinky Meter
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Patty G's Video Library site

Please continue here!



I'm bumping because rumors are starting to take over this thread once again.

Please do not quote, refer to or discuss any blog, FB or other source that cannot be linked here.

"I'm reading this out there" "I don't know if it is true but rumor is" "I've read other places", "I heard that" :nono: It is rumor and qualifying your post saying you know it is rumor but then repeating it is against our rules.

This whole rumor about a restraining order has grown legs. No one has reported on it or confirmed it. Please drop it and stop discussing this rumor unless you can bring a link to the thread. This is why we don't discuss rumors. They become defacto truths just because it is repeated as the rumors spread.

The exception to this is our verified locals if they have knowledge can give local information.

IF WE CANNOT LINK WE DON'T BRING THE RUMOR HERE.

Also we don't name any person, group of people, or business that is not named in MSM. Don't google link to business entities that haven't been named as a place where search has occurred.

Also forensic astrology talk here is :nono: We do not bring forensic astrology to this thread.

Rallihanna
05-01-2011, 10:41 AM
Are they searching again today?

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 10:49 AM
Ok this took some work...

Here is the aerial photo of part of the Bobo property and the house. I do not know actual compass directions so for any discussion I use top/bottom/left/right.

I zoomed in a bit from the image I linked to earlier, and used Gimp 2 to remove some very heavy shadows around the house. This makes it easier to actually see the house and where it stands in relation to the trees. The shadows made the house look twice as big. Note the large outbuilding to the left... the shadow is still around that so you can see what I mean.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/slinky_chixx/House1edited.jpg

Now here is the cleaned up image with some comments. I think they are accurate based on descriptions of the house and some ground level photos.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/slinky_chixx/House1color.jpg

Note that I ghosted in the tree line around the house with blue. You can see depending on which direction Clint was looking when he saw Holly entering the woods, there are different amounts of distance. Just above the house is a line of trees with open area behind it (visible in other photos as well). Notice also the trees are NOT as heavy as described in the immediate area around the house. Much denser woods are farther off to the bottom or top right areas.

If a vehicle was used by the suspect it would be easy to park off the main road, off the long driveway, or along the lake at the bottom of the photo. It looks like a stright shot to the right from the lake back to the road.

I hope this helps.

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 10:50 AM
Are they searching again today?

As of this morning they were under some severe weather and flood warnings...

Eileen730
05-01-2011, 11:00 AM
Good Morning all!

:seeya:

Seems very quiet!

Daisyjane
05-01-2011, 11:14 AM
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/01/05/041511-news-holly-bobo-4-4/



From this link, I noticed:

Holly’s 25-year-old brother, Clint, was in his bed upstairs in the family’s Parsons home when he heard his sister screaming outside about 7:30 a.m. Wednesday, according to family friends.


Anyone else hear of this before, that Clint was IN BED when he heard Holly's scream? Not that he just happened by a window and saw her being taken?This could explain why he did not go outside; he was undressed, no shoes, maybe took a minute or two to wake up enough to think what to do. (Sometimes when wakened by a noise, I wonder whether it was real or part of a dream.)

Stolly
05-01-2011, 11:15 AM
Carla Lashelle, Great entry!!! Thank you.

To let you know, I came across a photo of the property from the back looking forward. I'll try to find it again. (I last saw it at least a week ago). It showed that the pool is above ground and would obstruct any view in that direction. Also you are correct and that is a car, there was a dirt drive wrapping around the pool to the rear of the house.

Eileen730
05-01-2011, 11:15 AM
From this link, I noticed:

Holly’s 25-year-old brother, Clint, was in his bed upstairs in the family’s Parsons home when he heard his sister screaming outside about 7:30 a.m. Wednesday, according to family friends.


Anyone else hear of this before, that Clint was IN BED when he heard Holly's scream? Not that he just happened by a window and saw her being taken?This could explain why he did not go outside; he was undressed, no shoes, maybe took a minute or two to wake up enough to think what to do. (Sometimes when wakened by a noise, I wonder whether it was real or part of a dream.)

Nope! Not I!

Rallihanna
05-01-2011, 11:17 AM
That's the first link I've seen with that information either.

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 11:26 AM
Carla Lashelle, Great entry!!! Thank you.

To let you know, I came across a photo of the property from the back looking forward. I'll try to find it again. (I last saw it at least a week ago). It showed that the pool is above ground and would obstruct any view in that direction. Also you are correct and that is a car, there was a dirt drive wrapping around the pool to the rear of the house.

Yes I drew the dirt road back in with Gimp based on other photos. The shadows were bad...

Stolly
05-01-2011, 11:30 AM
From this link, I noticed:

Holly’s 25-year-old brother, Clint, was in his bed upstairs in the family’s Parsons home when he heard his sister screaming outside about 7:30 a.m. Wednesday, according to family friends.


Anyone else hear of this before, that Clint was IN BED when he heard Holly's scream? Not that he just happened by a window and saw her being taken?This could explain why he did not go outside; he was undressed, no shoes, maybe took a minute or two to wake up enough to think what to do. (Sometimes when wakened by a noise, I wonder whether it was real or part of a dream.)

I believe this was one of the versions that proved to be incorrect reporting. We see these continue to pop up because law enforcement has not release the 911 tapes to clear things up.

The best reconstruction of events that have been laid out are as follows:

7:30ish -Clint looked out a window and saw a man leading HB by her arm or wrist into the woods. She was not being dragged. He assumed it to be her boyfriend showing her something in the morning.

-Clint never heard a scream, that was apparently reported by a neighbor. "It was confirmed by the local sheriff that a neighbor of the Bobos heard screams as she was leaving her home the morning of Holly's abduction." Read more here. (http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-2-week-wrap-up-rumors-dispelled-next-steps)

8ish -Clint saw HB's car still outside later, checked it and saw blood near it, and called their mother, then 911.

8ish after Clint's call- A neighbor calls 911, reports screams heard.

Clint may have reported the screams and it was just never released, or he may have never heard them because he was inside of the house and the neighbor was going to their car outside. Unfortunately, rumors will continue to swirl and perpetuate until LE releases the 911 tapes.

Hope this helps squash some rumors!

Eileen730
05-01-2011, 11:32 AM
Ok this took some work...

Here is the aerial photo of part of the Bobo property and the house. I do not know actual compass directions so for any discussion I use top/bottom/left/right.

I zoomed in a bit from the image I linked to earlier, and used Gimp 2 to remove some very heavy shadows around the house. This makes it easier to actually see the house and where it stands in relation to the trees. The shadows made the house look twice as big. Note the large outbuilding to the left... the shadow is still around that so you can see what I mean.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/slinky_chixx/House1edited.jpg

Now here is the cleaned up image with some comments. I think they are accurate based on descriptions of the house and some ground level photos.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/slinky_chixx/House1color.jpg

Note that I ghosted in the tree line around the house with blue. You can see depending on which direction Clint was looking when he saw Holly entering the woods, there are different amounts of distance. Just above the house is a line of trees with open area behind it (visible in other photos as well). Notice also the trees are NOT as heavy as described in the immediate area around the house. Much denser woods are farther off to the bottom or top right areas.

If a vehicle was used by the suspect it would be easy to park off the main road, off the long driveway, or along the lake at the bottom of the photo. It looks like a stright shot to the right from the lake back to the road.

I hope this helps.

As we look at this picture, how can they say the brush was so thick the dogs couldnt get in to it they had to be carried?????? It sure does not look that dense to me. Im aware that these pics were taken at anothe rtime but the trees seem to be spaced apart and the underbrush would just be starting to grow back after the winter.

Kimster
05-01-2011, 11:34 AM
If you posted a TOS violation complaining about moderation, I suggest you edit that post immediately.

fraudqueen
05-01-2011, 11:42 AM
Pls forgive me....I can't find the link in previous threads, but I know it's there.

The TBI person, I believe his last name is Helm, told the media to his knowledge
there was only one 911 call and it was from Clint. He advised there was no second 911 call from any neighbor, which would mean there was no scream heard....IMO.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 11:43 AM
Found this by chance. Nice aerial photo of Holly's house.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/Aerial20of20property.jpg

This is a great photo. Especially b/c it's a winter shot - defoiled. Thanks so much for all your work Carla. One can see how there would be a couple of paths through the woods, especially towards the direction of the water. Then it looks like you could probably get from the water directly back to the road, bypassing the driveway.

I stared at it for a while wondering - how do you get a victim - against their will - from the carport, towards the woods and manage to get the victim back out of the woods into a vehicle of some type?

Again...we can see that not only did the perp know Holly & the family's schedule, they knew this land - these particular woods - as a hunter or 4-wheeler would know them. "Ins and outs".

Class Schedule from Campus Course Catalogue:

Spring Semester, 2011
Jan. 14, Friday............................................ .. Advising
Jan. 17, Monday................Martin Luther King Jr. Day
Jan. 18, Tuesday........Day and Evening Classes Begin
March 7, Monday.... Mid-Term Progress Reports Due
March 14-20, Monday-Sunday...............Spring Break
April 22, Friday...................................... Good Friday
May 2, Monday........................................ Classes End
May 3-4, Tuesday-Wednesday....................Study Days
May 5-11, Thursday-Wednesday...............Final Exams
May 14, Saturday..............................Commencement
http://www.utm.edu/pdfs/UTMartinCatalog20102011.pdf


So, someone (male) that knew her school schedule, knew her regular class schedule was ending in 2 weeks, knew her parent's schedule, and the woods around her house, would not raise much suspicion if his timing was off/mission failed and he was found on the property by Holly's parents - hunting possibly - has ATV handy, and laid in wait to nab Holly for themselves... :waitasec:

IMO, this is exactly what Holly's father was trying to say the day the family made their only statements. His statement, combined with the family's silence ever since - makes me think the family really does know who did this. That would also explain why they've been so silent...

Of course LE's been through this process of elimination - hopefully the list is very short and they are applying pressure in the right place...

Still trying to understand out how LE has been able to follow tips, apparently successfully, collecting things related to Holly in (seemingly) random places they could not find them so quickly without said tips...

Who is providing these tips? People that also know who did this to Holly?

Just noodling things. So many things to this case that just stick with you and make you believe they should be able to figure this one out.

:cow:

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 11:45 AM
As we look at this picture, how can they say the brush was so thick the dogs couldnt get in to it they had to be carried?????? It sure does not look that dense to me. Im aware that these pics were taken at anothe rtime but the trees seem to be spaced apart and the underbrush would just be starting to grow back after the winter.

what I found more interesting/useful is that there are plenty of places were you could park not only a pick up or a jeep but just an old beater car. This isnt the Amazon rain forrest here. And you could get fairly close to the house with a vehicle from most directions and still make it back to the main road. I assume since the garage seems enclosed and not used to house cars they park either on the paved area by the front door or perhaps around back (where it looks like there is a white car). I know a lot of houses where the people that live there go in and out the back and park in the back.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 11:46 AM
Pls forgive me....I can't find the link in previous threads, but I know it's there.

The TBI person, I believe his last name is Helm, told the media to his knowledge
there was only one 911 call and it was from Clint. He advised there was no second 911 call from any neighbor, which would mean there was no scream heard....IMO.

With respect, I have to completely disagree. Even if we postulate that there was not a 911 call about a scream does not mean there was no scream reported by the neighbor.

The scream is absolutely key for LE in this case. I have no doubt the neighbor/reporter of that scream is a critical witness, as critical as Clint. :cow:

DNeecie
05-01-2011, 11:46 AM
As we look at this picture, how can they say the brush was so thick the dogs couldnt get in to it they had to be carried?????? It sure does not look that dense to me. Im aware that these pics were taken at anothe rtime but the trees seem to be spaced apart and the underbrush would just be starting to grow back after the winter.

I live in the eastern part of TN and the woods by our house is easy to walk through in the winter but as soon as everything starts growing back you can hardly walk. I'm guessing it's much the same there.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 11:52 AM
Just wanted to add to a previous thought .... IMO ... that it's entirely possible the neighbor reporting the scream cared enough about their neighbors to call their neighbors to see if they heard it too.

If I try to think with a rural and small town sensibility - as a neighbor - you'd have to be a first responder even if you called 911 - assuming you cared about your neighbor - you'd do the responsible thing and see if immediate assistance was needed. :cow:

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 11:52 AM
Well for one, based on a photo like this, I could find my way around that property fairly easy without having to spend days and hours casing the house.

Ive been in the woods in FLorida year round. I imagine its very similar. In some ways FL may be more impenetrable in a lot of areas since its swampier, more mangroves, marshes. We live in a wetlands area but you can still get around pretty good. Ive played paintball in the woods here year round. At least TN doesnt have crocodiles and alligators that I know of.

not_my_kids
05-01-2011, 11:54 AM
But...LE has repeatedly verified that there was a scream, at least that a scream was reported by the neighbor, and up until a couple days ago (apparently) also made it very clear that there was more than one 911 call.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 11:55 AM
Well for one, based on a photo like this, I could find my way around that property fairly easy without having to spend days and hours casing the house.

Ive been in the woods in FLorida year round. I imagine its very similar. In some ways FL may be more impenetrable in a lot of areas since its swampier, more mangroves, marshes. We live in a wetlands area but you can still get around pretty good. Ive played paintball in the woods here year round. At least TN doesnt have crocodiles and alligators that I know of.


Wonder the impression from locals - about the aerial view & what it tells them - maybe they will chime in...

greengreen
05-01-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm going to answer some questions that were asked but they were so spread out I didn't quote them.

LE is searching today, in a more specific area. That was on the news.

The sheriff here said there were 2 calls made to 911. The identity of the woman that called has not been released. Different media outlets have reported it was a neighbor and some reported it was the mother. When the story was first told here, it was reported that it was the mother. LE has NOT confirmed that. Even though some news reports say differently.

When the story first broke, it was reported that the brother was in the bed when something woke him up and he looked out the window at the point. Several different versions have followed. It is not the brother's story changing, but rather paraphrasing by the media, and miswording by LE when relaying his observations. Now let me say I don't know which account is accurate, but I do know the brother's story is not changing.

Eileen730
05-01-2011, 11:55 AM
what I found more interesting/useful is that there are plenty of places were you could park not only a pick up or a jeep but just an old beater car. This isnt the Amazon rain forrest here. And you could get fairly close to the house with a vehicle from most directions and still make it back to the main road. I assume since the garage seems enclosed and not used to house cars they park either on the paved area by the front door or perhaps around back (where it looks like there is a white car). I know a lot of houses where the people that live there go in and out the back and park in the back.

I know they made it seem like it was the Amazon LOL Heck a car could have been parked right there. who knows what kind of trails there are thru there.

I give up on all this all we are doing is guessing.
And with each day that passes i dont think Holly is comming home!
If this person that did this has her i think he would have left her somewhere and
took off for parts unknown not sit around and wait to get caught! Because it would only be a matter of time till they figured out who it is and they may already know and he might be long gone to boot! He has a better chance hiding then hanging around town... JMO

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 11:58 AM
But...LE has repeatedly verified that there was a scream, at least that a scream was reported by the neighbor, and up until a couple days ago (apparently) also made it very clear that there was more than one 911 call.

LE reports to 911 calls... one from Clint and one from an unidentified woman who heard screams.

I believe (posted here but way back) there is a video with an interview with a neighbor who said she heard screams and called 911. I assume it is the same person although no official connection or confirmation was made.

My opinion is that Holly screamed at some point AWAY from her house and closer to a neighbor's house, hence the second 911 call. I think she was led away on her own, and at some point was put into a car/taken out of a car/bound or taped, etc and thats when the scream happened. The suspect whisked her away from her house quickly and at some point stopped to do something and thast when she screamed.

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:00 PM
Wonder the impression from locals - about the aerial view & what it tells them - maybe they will chime in...

I am still under the impression that the carport had been enclosed to make a living space, that no vehicles actually parked there. I was told the whole family parked in the driveway. /as far as people saying it would be easy to navigate. It's not. There are a lot of unmarked roads in the area and you would HAVE to know where you were going. I believe the reason LE is stating this is because there were other people that did NOT witness seeing a vehicle in the area at the time. Remember this is when a lot of people would be leaving to go to work. This is why it was believed they went through the woods to get to a vehicle that was not seen by anyone that morning.

Carla Lashelle
05-01-2011, 12:00 PM
Greengreen what is your impression of my map? Do you think I have the house described correctly?

Eileen730
05-01-2011, 12:03 PM
I live in the eastern part of TN and the woods by our house is easy to walk through in the winter but as soon as everything starts growing back you can hardly walk. I'm guessing it's much the same there.

Well what it like in Tenn now? Is it all grown back or just starting tooo.
I know by june its all thick but now? wouldnt it just be starting to grow?

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:12 PM
Greengreen what is your impression of my map? Do you think I have the house described correctly?

I do believe you have described the house correctly. The part I think outside observers are having trouble with is the thinking that a car could have been parked close. Sure it could have been but people were out that morning and no one saw a vehicle at that time. Thus the theory of traveling through the woods. Sure there are trails, that lead to other trails, which lead to other trails. You would HAVE to know the woods to know which way to go. If you weren't on a trail you wouldn't have been able to get through a lot of areas. It's grown up with a lot of trees, shrubbery, vines, briar thickets, etc. that is not shown on the map. Also there are a lot of trees that have fallen over during the storms in the last couple of months that you cannot see on the map.

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 12:18 PM
greengreen -

any impression regarding the direction that Holly was forced to the woods towards?

would it be towards the lake? (south - well, if the aerial is actually oriented that way...)

or towards the road. (east)

or otherwise?

southern_scout
05-01-2011, 12:20 PM
Well what it like in Tenn now? Is it all grown back or just starting tooo.
I know by june its all thick but now? wouldnt it just be starting to grow?

We've had a ton of rain and everything is leafed out/thick already. It's been that way for a few weeks.

BeanE
05-01-2011, 12:21 PM
I do believe you have described the house correctly. The part I think outside observers are having trouble with is the thinking that a car could have been parked close. Sure it could have been but people were out that morning and no one saw a vehicle at that time. Thus the theory of traveling through the woods. Sure there are trails, that lead to other trails, which lead to other trails. You would HAVE to know the woods to know which way to go. If you weren't on a trail you wouldn't have been able to get through a lot of areas. It's grown up with a lot of trees, shrubbery, vines, briar thickets, etc. that is not shown on the map. Also there are a lot of trees that have fallen over during the storms in the last couple of months that you cannot see on the map.

What I am having a hard time with is where Holly and the perp's feet were planted so to speak when Clint saw them. The overwhelming majority of reports have Clint saying they were going "across the carport" and "towards the woods". I don't get the impression that they were entering the woods, but that their feet were planted somewhere on that kind of circular section of the driveway that is in front of the house - whichever section of it the family is used to referring to as "the carport".

Additionally, I have to factor in the Sheriff saying that he thought the perp was waiting at Holly's car.

Do you know if the family usually parked on that sort of circular section of driveway directly in front of the house? Or the straight section of driveway going to the road?

Thanks!
BeanE

Stolly
05-01-2011, 12:21 PM
Would any local be kind enough to describe how the mail is delivered in this area? Is it delivered to the house, on the street mailbox, or to a group of boxes for the whole street and residences pick it up? ... Just another descriptive detail to understand the area, those who commonly access the house, or may have been in position to see someone who was watching the house.

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:22 PM
greengreen -

any impression regarding the direction that Holly was forced to the woods towards?

would it be towards the lake? (south - well, if the aerial is actually oriented that way...)

or towards the road. (east)

or otherwise?

I have no idea. All we were told was into the woods.

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:24 PM
Would any local be kind enough to describe how the mail is delivered in this area? Is it delivered to the house, on the street mailbox, or to a group of boxes for the whole street and residences pick it up? ... Just another descriptive detail to understand the area, those who commonly access the house, or may have been in position to see someone who was watching the house.

The mail is delivered to the mailboxes at the street unless there is a package that will not fit in the mailbox. Usually rural areas get there mail later in the day.

MILofForensicSpecTBI
05-01-2011, 12:26 PM
Nope! Not I!

This article has several inaccuracies....including the fact that Clint was not UPSTAIRS in bed....the home is a one story home.

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:28 PM
What I am having a hard time with is where Holly and the perp's feet were planted so to speak when Clint saw them. The overwhelming majority of reports have Clint saying they were going "across the carport" and "towards the woods". I don't get the impression that they were entering the woods, but that their feet were planted somewhere on that kind of circular section of the driveway that is in front of the house - whichever section of it the family is used to referring to as "the carport".

Additionally, I have to factor in the Sheriff saying that he thought the perp was waiting at Holly's car.

Do you know if the family usually parked on that sort of circular section of driveway directly in front of the house? Or the straight section of driveway going to the road?

Thanks!
BeanE

I have not heard the report that said the Sheriff believes he was waiting at her car so I can't comment on that. I am not sure where they parked currently. Only that the area referred to as the carport had been enclosed and was actually no longer the carport. IMO, I am going to believe the carport thing was not correct reporting since it is no longer being used. Now all we have is she was being led into the woods for fear of her life.

MILofForensicSpecTBI
05-01-2011, 12:33 PM
I have not heard the report that said the Sheriff believes he was waiting at her car so I can't comment on that. I am not sure where they parked currently. Only that the area referred to as the carport had been enclosed and was actually no longer the carport. IMO, I am going to believe the carport thing was not correct reporting since it is no longer being used. Now all we have is she was being led into the woods for fear of her life.

Green green my DIL describes it as a garage without a door.....other LE referred to it as a carport.....but that's where Holly's car was parked, I won't comment on the blood evidence.

Oriah
05-01-2011, 12:34 PM
Gosh this looks almost exactly like a property I own. (Not in TN, but the rural similarities are- well, similar.)
The layout of the home- right down to the pool and outbuildings, and driveway. Now, adjacent to my property is a logging company-owned property that is hundreds of acres. The firebreaks and hunting trails there are something that a vehicle could access with no problem. There are also deer stands and the like along the trails, and people (illegally may I add, because it's posted 'Private Property No Hunting) put out corn for deer, etc.

So anyway- that's got me to wondering if there are any deer stands behind the home, and if so where exactly are they?

Some Beach
05-01-2011, 12:34 PM
Regarding Carla's wonderful photo....

Does anybody know what the building is on the very left edge of the photo...past the outbuilding? Is that the neighbor's house?

Stolly
05-01-2011, 12:35 PM
greengreen -

any impression regarding the direction that Holly was forced to the woods towards?

would it be towards the lake? (south - well, if the aerial is actually oriented that way...)

or towards the road. (east)

or otherwise?

Don't mind if I chime in with a thought...

We have always heard that she was walked "Into the woods." If the perp would guide her east, away from the front of the house, parallel to the driveway, you would think they would call it "toward the street (Swan Johnson Rd.)." Even if there was thick vegetation, you would assume that the perp was making the .04 mile walk to a vehicle waiting on the road.

We have always been told "into the woods." I'm not sure if LE would need to bring in dogs to try to track her the four tenths of a mile to the street. All of this may point to the thought that they exited the western side of the property, toward the dense vegetation that goes on for square miles.

Just my opinion.

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:36 PM
Green green my DIL describes it as a garage without a door.....other LE referred to it as a carport.....but that's where Holly's car was parked, I won't comment on the blood evidence.

Ok thank you for the clarification. I will ask again today and see what I can find out here about it. All that has ever been said here is that the area we are talking about was enclosed and no one longer parked inside it. I'll see what I ca find out. I'm sure your DIL is correct because she was there. Maybe there is another area in question that has been enclosed?

BeanE
05-01-2011, 12:39 PM
I have not heard the report that said the Sheriff believes he was waiting at her car so I can't comment on that. I am not sure where they parked currently. Only that the area referred to as the carport had been enclosed and was actually no longer the carport. IMO, I am going to believe the carport thing was not correct reporting since it is no longer being used. Now all we have is she was being led into the woods for fear of her life.

Thanks, greengreen. This is the article I was referring to about the sheriff:

Sheriff Roy Wyatt said the abductor likely knew her schedule and was waiting by her car.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Decatur-County-Abduction-119818374.html
WBBJ – Updated: Apr 13, 2011 at 11:26 PM CDT

The first use of "carport" was from the TBI in their first media release on April 13. Of course, that same media release says "drug" across, so I dunno.

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/documents/MissingWomanFearedVictimofHomeInvasionKidnapping.p df

Holly Bobo was last seen by a family member being drug across the carport

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:41 PM
Thanks, greengreen. This is the article I was referring to about the sheriff:

Sheriff Roy Wyatt said the abductor likely knew her schedule and was waiting by her car.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Decatur-County-Abduction-119818374.html
WBBJ – Updated: Apr 13, 2011 at 11:26 PM CDT

The first use of "carport" was from the TBI in their first media release on April 13. Of course, that same media release says "drug" across, so I dunno.

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/documents/MissingWomanFearedVictimofHomeInvasionKidnapping.p df

Holly Bobo was last seen by a family member being drug across the carport

Which direction is the opening of the carport? Could the brother have actually seen inside the carport from the house?

greengreen
05-01-2011, 12:45 PM
The reason I am asking that is because most carports here are opened so that the opening faces the road. I don't see how the brother could have seen her in the carport from inside the house if that is the case.

BeanE
05-01-2011, 12:45 PM
Green green my DIL describes it as a garage without a door.....other LE referred to it as a carport.....but that's where Holly's car was parked, I won't comment on the blood evidence.

Do you mean that Holly's car was inside the doorless garage? That makes sense to me as the point of encounter. I envision Holly and the perp as being (having their feet planted) on the driveway outside when Clint saw them though, rather than inside the doorless garage.

Please ask your DIL to put a big red 'X' on Carla's picture for me for where Holly's and the perp's feet were. lol :angel:

Emma Peel
05-01-2011, 12:46 PM
400 enrolled in the nursing program alone at that campus...per campus website.

Welcome to the

Department of Nursing



Located at UTM in 136 Gooch Hall, the department has 13 full-time faculty members and more than 400 declared Nursing Majors.

http://www.utm.edu/departments/caas/nursing/

13% enrolled in nursing are now men.

http://www.minoritynurse.com/men-nursing/men-nursing

13% of 400 is 52.

:dunno:

math comforts me. :crazy:
a little.

Eileen730
05-01-2011, 12:47 PM
I have not heard the report that said the Sheriff believes he was waiting at her car so I can't comment on that. I am not sure where they parked currently. Only that the area referred to as the carport had been enclosed and was actually no longer the carport. IMO, I am going to believe the carport thing was not correct reporting since it is no longer being used. Now all we have is she was being led into the woods for fear of her life.

I also heard that one because i remember someone asking if maybe he was waiting in her car? But like everything else, its just another story to add to the book! JMO

I wonder who came up with the " In fear for her life" statement? Obviously not her brother if he thought she was with the BF right? Nothing must have looked amiss to him.

BeanE
05-01-2011, 12:48 PM
Don't mind if I chime in with a thought...

We have always heard that she was walked "Into the woods." If the perp would guide her east, away from the front of the house, parallel to the driveway, you would think they would call it "toward the street (Swan Johnson Rd.)." Even if there was thick vegetation, you would assume that the perp was making the .04 mile walk to a vehicle waiting on the road.

We have always been told "into the woods." I'm not sure if LE would need to bring in dogs to try to track her the four tenths of a mile to the street. All of this may point to the thought that they exited the western side of the property, toward the dense vegetation that goes on for square miles.

Just my opinion.

I've always seen "across the carport, towards the woods", rather than "walked into the woods" or "into the woods". :(

MILofForensicSpecTBI
05-01-2011, 12:50 PM
Do you mean that Holly's car was inside the doorless garage? That makes sense to me as the point of encounter. I envision Holly and the perp as being (having their feet planted) on the driveway outside when Clint saw them though, rather than inside the doorless garage.

Please ask your DIL to put a big red 'X' on Carla's picture for me for where Holly's and the perp's feet were. lol :angel:

I cannot ask my DIL any questions...the case is off limits....the few tidbits I got out of her the first day is all I have. I don't know if Holly's car was in the carport or parked in front of it...I cannot ask for clarification...sorry.