PDA

View Full Version : Arnold Schwarzenegger & Maria S. separate** Lovechild revealed**



Capri
05-10-2011, 02:31 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/10/us-schwarzenegger-idUSTRE7490PP20110510?feedType=RSS

LOS ANGELES | Tue May 10, 2011 1:44am EDT

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and his wife, Maria Shriver, announced on Monday that they were separating.

The surprise statement came four months after Schwarzenegger, the Austrian-born former bodybuilder turned Hollywood action star, left office in January after serving two terms as governor.

"This has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us," Schwarzenegger, 63, and Shriver, 55, said in the statement, which was issued jointly. "After a great deal of thought, reflection, discussion, and prayer, we came to this decision together."

Elphaba
05-10-2011, 02:43 AM
I can't even start to understand how she put with him for this long...

Daisyjane
05-10-2011, 09:21 AM
http://www.seattlepi.com/entertainment/article/Schwarzenegger-Shriver-separating-after-25-years-1373108.php

Former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Shriver announced their separation late Monday, cleaving a sometimes-turbulent 25-year relationship after "a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us," the couple said in a joint statement.

The breakup comes about four months after Schwarzenegger ended a bumpy, two-term run as California governor, a job his wife never wanted him to pursue. Since then, Schwarzenegger, 63, has been fashioning a role as an international advocate for green energy, giving speeches and lining up work in Hollywood. Shriver, 55, has guested-edited an edition of Oprah Winfrey's magazine but also talked about the stress of changing roles after serving as California's first lady.

The joint statement, issued by a spokesman for Schwarzenegger, said the two were working on the future of their relationship while living apart and they would continue to parent their four children — Katherine, 21, Christina, 19, Patrick, 17, and Christopher, 13.

"After a great deal of thought, reflection, discussion, and prayer, we came to this decision together," the statement said.


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/entertainment/article/Schwarzenegger-Shriver-separating-after-25-years-1373108.php#ixzz1LxHwWFQh

Glow
05-10-2011, 11:45 AM
I think because of her faith (Catholic) she felt compelled to stay in the marriage perhaps.

Plus she comes from a family where the women stayed put. I am thinking about her grandmother Rose who was a deeply admired woman within the family and outside of it.

Her parents are dead now and there is a certain freedom that comes with that loss. You dont have to fear hurting them anymore. Of course that is pure speculation on my part. Chances are equally as likely that her parents would have been fine with any decision she made.

The one thing that I DO think is that as this thread develops there will be more support for her than for him:twocents:

My guess is that this decision was NOT joint. Im thinking its her that wants out. Probably going to be a woman involved somehow...or a series of them.

LinasK
05-10-2011, 02:10 PM
About time Maria!!! When did you finally realize he's a womanizer??

Emma Peel
05-10-2011, 03:58 PM
I saw Maria Shriver on the CNN special this weekend on Alzheimers. She's an advocate for research to cure this disease, and an advocate for its caregivers. She developed & has published a study with the Alzheimer's Association. "Alzheimer's in America: The Shriver Report on Women and Alzheimer's".

Watching, I learned that she recently (Jan 2011) lost her father after years of providing for his care and comfort, and years of experiencing the stress and toll of his disease (Alzheimers) as all family caregivers do.

It's sad to hear about this additional stress for the family.

I wish them both, and their children, the best outcome in this transition.

sorrell skye
05-10-2011, 04:37 PM
I have great admiration for Maria Shriver. I wish her a bright and happy future.

Cypros
05-10-2011, 05:58 PM
Definitely one of the oddest of celebrity couples. I wish that Arnold had stuck with his strengths -- action and comedy films. I am guessing that California wishes he had stayed in Hollywood as well.

legalmania
05-10-2011, 06:24 PM
I think they spent more time apart than together anyway. I'm glad to see he is sticking to movies because IMO he wasn't a very good politician.

Nova
05-10-2011, 06:49 PM
Definitely one of the oddest of celebrity couples. I wish that Arnold had stuck with his strengths -- action and comedy films. I am guessing that California wishes he had stayed in Hollywood as well.

Speaking as a progressive who must certainly never voted for AS, he really wasn't as bad as he might have been. Although he rarely voted as I might like, at least he didn't demonize minority groups the way some of our previous GOP governors have done.

Cypros
05-12-2011, 04:23 PM
Speaking as a progressive who must certainly never voted for AS, he really wasn't as bad as he might have been. Although he rarely voted as I might like, at least he didn't demonize minority groups the way some of our previous GOP governors have done.

Well, that is good, and I would expect AS to be appropriately sympathetic to minority groups. I hope he started a positive trend.

jjenny
05-17-2011, 03:28 AM
Speaking as a progressive who must certainly never voted for AS, he really wasn't as bad as he might have been. Although he rarely voted as I might like, at least he didn't demonize minority groups the way some of our previous GOP governors have done.

I presume he'd never be elected in a first place if the voters knew he had a kid with a member of his domestic staff.
"Former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and his wife, Maria Shriver, separated after she learned he had fathered a child more than a decade ago — before his first run for office — with a longtime member of their household staff."
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-0517-arnold-20110517,0,4552508.story

Wise Old Owl
05-17-2011, 06:59 AM
I presume he'd never be elected in a first place if the voters knew he had a kid with a member of his domestic staff.
"Former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and his wife, Maria Shriver, separated after she learned he had fathered a child more than a decade ago — before his first run for office — with a longtime member of their household staff."
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-0517-arnold-20110517,0,4552508.story
Wow! I got up early - not by my choice and I caught this on the news. Wow - just wow. So, he has a 10 yo child and is just coming clean about it. What a dog.

I wonder if the member of the domestic staff still works for them - if she does, how in the hello did she (they) keep this all so quiet all these years? And what does the child know? Did AS recognize and support this child?

And poor Maria. How horrible to go like this for 10 years not knowing you are not only being deceived by your husband but a member of your staff as well. That's gotta hurt.

My prayers go out to the child.

robinparten
05-17-2011, 07:53 AM
Wow! I got up early - not by my choice and I caught this on the news. Wow - just wow. So, he has a 10 yo child and is just coming clean about it. What a dog.

I wonder if the member of the domestic staff still works for them - if she does, how in the hello did she (they) keep this all so quiet all these years? And what does the child know? Did AS recognize and support this child?

And poor Maria. How horrible to go like this for 10 years not knowing you are not only being deceived by your husband but a member of your staff as well. That's gotta hurt.

My prayers go out to the child.

Apparently, the woman "retired" several years ago. She said a few days ago that the child is her ex-husband's. Apparently, when reporters told her about Arnold's statement, she just said she had no comment.

I believe he must have paid her off very well to keep her quiet.

So Arnold is just like John Edwards. Maybe they can start a support group.

kato
05-17-2011, 08:01 AM
Wow! I got up early - not by my choice and I caught this on the news. Wow - just wow. So, he has a 10 yo child and is just coming clean about it. What a dog.

I wonder if the member of the domestic staff still works for them - if she does, how in the hello did she (they) keep this all so quiet all these years? And what does the child know? Did AS recognize and support this child?

And poor Maria. How horrible to go like this for 10 years not knowing you are not only being deceived by your husband but a member of your staff as well. That's gotta hurt.

My prayers go out to the child.

That's exactly what I said, a DAWG!

The Farm
05-17-2011, 08:27 AM
Wow,,DAWG is right.

Peepers
05-17-2011, 08:38 AM
Wow!!!!!!! No wonder Maria left. Apparently she just found out and the kid is over 10 years old.

He is a PIG!
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20490341,00.html

Peepers
05-17-2011, 08:43 AM
Some "household employee" that worked there for years and "retired" in January! How old is this lady??

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20490341,00.html


Can you imagine the shock for Maria, after she has been there for him all this time thru all his shinnanegans? How does one tell their own children they have a brother or sister with the hired help?? Just forgot to mention it fir the last 10 years.

Wow is all I can say..

jjenny
05-17-2011, 09:05 AM
And the domestic staff herself was married and claimed her husband was the baby daddy.
Poor Maria.

Mrs G Norris
05-17-2011, 09:32 AM
That's some secret to keep from your wife for 10 years. So does that mean he'll be forever known as the Sperminator? Poor Maria, knew she was too good for him.

Daisyjane
05-17-2011, 10:40 AM
This comment by his teen son seemed kinda flippant:


Soon after the news broke his teenage son Patrick tweeted: 'Small speed bump in life, luckily we own hummers, we will cruise right over it.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1387481/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-spends-time-children-amid-Gigi-Goyette-affair-allegations.html#ixzz1McXXWKbN

Cypros
05-17-2011, 10:40 AM
It is amazing that the child was right under their noses all those years. Did it not look art all like Arnold? I wonder if the woman's ex knew that it was not his child. What a mess!

Emma Peel
05-17-2011, 12:11 PM
:eek:

I have no words.
The article makes it seem as if she found out when Arnold told her about it. And he didn't tell her about it until the employee retired and he was out of the governor's office? I wonder when Arnold learned it was his child?

Ultimate betrayal. It sounds like the woman would have been caring for Maria's children too.

Was she blackmailing Arnold - silence, support payments, and a job through his political life?

unbelievable.

Kennedy curse theory comes to mind.

LinasK
05-17-2011, 12:12 PM
Speaking as a progressive who must certainly never voted for AS, he really wasn't as bad as he might have been. Although he rarely voted as I might like, at least he didn't demonize minority groups the way some of our previous GOP governors have done.
He demonized nurses, firefighters, and teachers!!!:eek::eek::eek: To him, they were the special interests, NOT developers and Indian Casinos!:snooty::razz:

CuriousHousewife
05-17-2011, 12:39 PM
More like can't keep it in your pants "curse".

Kat
05-17-2011, 01:17 PM
I feel bad for Maria and their children. I feel bad for this child.

I do not feel bad for Arnold or the woman he fathered a child with.

JenniferTx
05-17-2011, 01:19 PM
Wow 10 years is a really long time to keep something like this from coming out in the open. What a shocker.

burbqueen
05-17-2011, 01:36 PM
he knows he was wrong for that! he could have told her and just think this kid was probably seen at the house and everything.

ohiogirl
05-17-2011, 01:43 PM
What an A@@hat!

Melanie
05-17-2011, 01:58 PM
It is amazing that the child was right under their noses all those years. Did it not look art all like Arnold? I wonder if the woman's ex knew that it was not his child. What a mess!

That's what I thought. Arnie has some pretty strong features. I'm really disappointed in the dude. Poor Maria!

MOO

Mel

LCoastMom
05-17-2011, 02:05 PM
This comment by his teen son seemed kinda flippant:



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1387481/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-spends-time-children-amid-Gigi-Goyette-affair-allegations.html#ixzz1McXXWKbN

I'd like to think his youth is showing but more likely the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

smart blonde
05-17-2011, 02:18 PM
I swear, I didn't think it was possible for me to like this man any less, but he went ahead and proved me wrong.

I was embarrassed that he was the Governor of my state, and relieved when he finally left office.

Now, to find out just how dishonest and unethical he is even in his personal life, I feel nothing but complete disgust for him.

What he did was wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin to list them- but, I do have a ton of questions, of course.

smart blonde
05-17-2011, 02:22 PM
I do like Maria Shriver, though, and hearing this news really makes my heart go out to her.

Cypros
05-17-2011, 02:54 PM
So the mistress is a "former child actress"...
http://www.ebonyinspired.com/?p=37460

IMDB shows her with only one stand-in role and one stunt role at 20 years old and then a couple of things in her 40s. Did she do stage acting? commercials?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1241383/

Edited: Sorry. I didn't read this carefully. Gigi had an affair with Arnold but she is not the mother of his child. Sorry again.

Morag
05-17-2011, 03:17 PM
... Did it not look art all like Arnold? I wonder if the woman's ex knew that it was not his child. What a mess!

The baby does look somewhat like Arnold:

http://tinyurl.com/46omeh9

Daisyjane
05-17-2011, 03:26 PM
I'd like to think his youth is showing but more likely the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

I've been thinking along those very same lines. Also, living in the culture of California, actors, and politics, there's perhaps a laid-back mindset of 'anything goes'.

MagicRose99
05-17-2011, 03:38 PM
The baby does look somewhat like Arnold:

http://tinyurl.com/46omeh9

LMAO! Oh, my... poor baby! LOL!

belimom
05-17-2011, 06:00 PM
I swear, I didn't think it was possible for me to like this man any less, but he went ahead and proved me wrong.

I was embarrassed that he was the Governor of my state, and relieved when he finally left office.

Now, to find out just how dishonest and unethical he is even in his personal life, I feel nothing but complete disgust for him.

What he did was wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin to list them- but, I do have a ton of questions, of course.

I came across the below article and wondered how he ever got elected as governor... Disgusting.

bbm


SCHWARZENEGGER: I've torn pectoral muscles, fibers in my knee, in my thighs, and once I had to have an operation to repair torn cartilage. Generally you let muscles heal by themselves or get cortisone shots. Injuries happen when your mind is beyond your body, largely when you think you're King Kong and lift weights heavier than the body can handle. At the same time, though, we generally manage to have a good time. Bodybuilders party a lot, and once, in Gold's—the gym in Venice, California, where all the top guys train—there was a black girl who came out naked. Everybody jumped on her and took her upstairs, where we all got together.

oui: A gang bang?

SCHWARZENEGGER: Yes, but not everybody, just the guys who can **** in front of other guys. Not everybody can do that. Some think that they don't have a big-enough cock, so they can't get a hard-on. Having chicks around is the kind of thing that breaks up the intense training. It gives you relief, and then afterward you go back to the serious stuff.

............

SCHWARZENEGGER: I get laid on purpose. I can't sleep before competition and I'm up all night, anyway, so instead of staring at the ceiling I figure I might as well find somebody and ****.

oui: Doesn't it take the edge off your performance?

SCHWARZENEGGER: No, why should it? For ten years, I've been building a physique. It's not going to run away after one night. What Moss and others are talking about is a totally mental thing: If you feel that something's going to affect your body, then it definitely will. I've always found that sex gives me a kind of calm, and I'm much more in control because of it. It's the same for friends of mine who are also top bodybuilders. The guys who are working their way up often say they have to sleep ten hours a day and they try not to get laid more than three times a week, but, sooner or later, most of them find out that all this means ****. Whether you sleep two hours or ten, get laid a dozen times a week or not at all, eat three meals or five, at the end of the week you look absolutely the same; there's no difference.

oui: So you believe in writing your own rules?

SCHWARZENEGGER: Exactly. There are bodybuilders who are afraid of indulging in sex or even of playing other sports for fear of harming their bodies. I think that's silly. What's the use of building your body if you don't use it? At the Mr. Olympia contest in 1972, we had girls backstage giving head, then all of us went out and I won. It didn't bother me at all; in fact, I went out there feeling like King Kong.

http://daggy.name/cop/effluvia/arnold.htm
(from the August 1977 issue of OUI)

CuriousHousewife
05-17-2011, 06:13 PM
This happens with regular folks, too, and I don't get how someone can keep this from their spouse. My bio father had a child with a girl whe they were teens and she moved away. He got married a few years afte, had a child with her and on his deathbed told his sister about the child, and she told the wife after he passed away from cancer... never mind she came into town in summers with her mother and he wou,d spend time with her. I'm serious. Of course, is that worse than him never having known I existed (true story)? My mother told me he was my father when he was dying! Too late!

Anyway, I've always felt for his wife and he wasn't even alive to beat his a@$ when she found out!

eta sorry about the crappy typing. Still getting used to the iPad.

Daisyjane
05-17-2011, 06:36 PM
Oh, this is tacky:

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/05/spirit-ad-makes-punchline-of-schwarzenegger-shriver-split/170695/1

Spirit ad makes punchline of Schwarzenegger-Shriver split

Spirit Airlines, which has a long history of using off-color advertising and marketing, is rolling out a promotion to capitalize on the high-publicity break-up of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver.

In a video on its website, Spirit channels Schwarzenegger's famed "Terminator" character by showing an infra-red image that eventually settles on a well-proportioned house maid. "Sexy maid acquired," the video reads after showing her in a racy uniform.

Next, the video scrolls a message saying: "Fares so low, you can take the whole family! Including that half-brother you just met."

gngr~snap
05-17-2011, 10:10 PM
watching Joy Behar... man on panel says he knows of TWO OTHER CHILDREN fathered by Arnold ...
ha! why am I not surprised?

LadyL
05-17-2011, 10:13 PM
ok, this is a long-term employee who had already been with them 10 years when she gave birth

Maria would've given her a beautiful baby gift, if not hosted a shower :gasp:, and I bet has a few pics of this kid growing up ...

Arnold has very strong features & I really think this kid has to look a lot like him ...

Charlie09
05-17-2011, 10:15 PM
watching Joy Behar... man on panel says he knows of TWO OTHER CHILDREN fathered by Arnold ...
ha! why am I not surprised?

gawker has information on one of them that came out right before the election in 03.

Wise Old Owl
05-17-2011, 10:43 PM
I just heard on my local news that the NY Times is reporting that this child is a boy and is 13 years old (so I guess the 10 years was just a guesstimate). They also said that this child was born the same year that Arnold and Maria's youngest child was born.

What a dog.

belimom
05-17-2011, 10:50 PM
I just googled and found a boy who is in college. Initials TT - a stewardess's son.

Melanie
05-17-2011, 11:00 PM
This man was the govenator of California? No wonder were deep knee in shi*. Hang him up by his balls, because he had no interest in California. Only what he could get his pants on the ground, pants on the ground, everybody wants their pants on the ground.

I'm disgusted.

Mel from CA

Charlie09
05-17-2011, 11:24 PM
I still think it's Arnold that is being sued for (under seal) for spreading herpes.

txsvicki
05-18-2011, 12:22 AM
I came across the below article and wondered how he ever got elected as governor... Disgusting.

bbm


I was feeling a little sorry for MS until reading this. If this article is true and MS knew about his attitude towards women, then she knew what he was like when marrying him. Who on earth would want a man who said things like that, even if was untrue and said just to make himself seem sexy for his career or something. I'm skeptical that she didn't know about the child until now though. People do stay married due to money and ambition, and then later move on when their plans have been carried out. The media should have some respect to the other woman's child though since he is still so young. Hopefully he will be able to have a dad, plus financial support for school or whatever.

DairyGirl
05-18-2011, 02:18 AM
The baby does look somewhat like Arnold:

http://tinyurl.com/46omeh9

:floorlaugh:

crimecharlotte
05-18-2011, 06:13 AM
Arnold IS a pig! I was sickened to hear him call his having a child "an event." That little boy deserved so much better from his 'father.'
Poor Maria gave up her career for that man when all along he knew he had lied, cheated (without protection no less) and Lord only knows what else he has been up to in the past 25 years!

Trino
05-18-2011, 08:14 AM
Wow. She lived in the same household, as a household staff member, until retiring last January. Nothing like your mistress and wife living together.

The mistress has been identified as Mildred Patricia Baena. Supposedly, she didn't reveal to A that the boy was his until he was a toddler.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-arnold-schwarzeneggers-love-child-revealed/story?id=13626896

I'm stunned, shocked that he would keep this under wraps until he left office. Such a cad. He is worth about 100 million, enough to support everyone for years. Although A's been paying child support, the child is entitled to more than that. I see a court case.

jjenny
05-18-2011, 09:03 AM
Wow. She lived in the same household, as a household staff member, until retiring last January. Nothing like your mistress and wife living together.

The mistress has been identified as Mildred Patricia Baena. Supposedly, she didn't reveal to A that the boy was his until he was a toddler.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-arnold-schwarzeneggers-love-child-revealed/story?id=13626896

I'm stunned, shocked that he would keep this under wraps until he left office. Such a cad. He is worth about 100 million, enough to support everyone for years. Although A's been paying child support, the child is entitled to more than that. I see a court case.

Since she herself was married, maybe she didn't know who exactly the father was until the kid grew up a bit and started to resembling Arnold? After all Arnold has rather distinctive features.

SuziQ
05-18-2011, 09:16 AM
TMZ has a couple of sorta blurred out pics of this poor child. He is Arnold's twin! How Maria didn't know.....

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/17/arnold-schwarzenegger-spitting-image-love-child-mildred-patricia-baena-patty-maria-shriver-illegitimate-lovechild-love-child-kid-out-of-wedlock-maid-cheating-household-staff-separated/

Soulmagent
05-18-2011, 10:10 AM
I think they knew. Someone must plan on writing a book or something and need extra attention.

belimom
05-18-2011, 10:32 AM
I was feeling a little sorry for MS until reading this. If this article is true and MS knew about his attitude towards women, then she knew what he was like when marrying him. Who on earth would want a man who said things like that, even if was untrue and said just to make himself seem sexy for his career or something. I'm skeptical that she didn't know about the child until now though. People do stay married due to money and ambition, and then later move on when their plans have been carried out. The media should have some respect to the other woman's child though since he is still so young. Hopefully he will be able to have a dad, plus financial support for school or whatever.

I somewhat agree. The article was published in the August 1977 issue of OUI, which is also the month they met and started dating, according to Wikipedia. So I have a hard time believing that she didn't see it or at least hear about it...

I think the pain now is coming more from emotional betrayal -- a longterm relationship is probably more painful that one-night stands or one-day stands, or one-hour stands or whatever he supposedly did. (hope I never have to find out about either one) And by two people she trusted - her husband and a household employee whom she obviously let "into" her private life, kwim? Plus keeping the secret about the child.

belimom
05-18-2011, 11:16 AM
TMZ has a couple of sorta blurred out pics of this poor child. He is Arnold's twin! How Maria didn't know.....

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/17/arnold-schwarzenegger-spitting-image-love-child-mildred-patricia-baena-patty-maria-shriver-illegitimate-lovechild-love-child-kid-out-of-wedlock-maid-cheating-household-staff-separated/

If you google the mom's name, then there are a few pics out there that are not blurred. And, yes, he looks eerily like Arnold.

belimom
05-18-2011, 11:33 AM
Ouch...

I can identify, though, as my dad recently left my mom and married one of her former best friends. I have thought of dropping his name from my name, but I can imagine it would be even more important if my family were in the public eye like this family is.

So much pain all around this situation.


Arnold Fallout: Son Patrick Sides With Maria, Drops Schwarzenegger From Name

.......

Patrick's revenge on Dad? He's dropping his famous surname.

Patrick revealed on Twitter that he now wanted to be referred to as Patrick Shriver.

Read more: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b242551_arnold_fallout_son_patrick_sides_with.html #ixzz1MibGP422

cinsbythesea
05-18-2011, 12:44 PM
So many levels of betrayal for Maria to have to work through. My heart goes out to she and her children. I really have to wonder what made this all come out after keeping it secret for so many yars.

As for Arnold- he's a pig. No disrespect meant to pigs but if I were to say what I really think of him I'd probably earn myself a long time-out...

daisy.faithfull
05-18-2011, 07:23 PM
Just saw that they've outed Baena as the mom. That's not the one I read about. I'd read there was one that the press almost outed just as Arnold was being elected.

This man makes me sick. Beyond sick. My heart goes out to Maria, the family, and all of the children involved. AS should be shunned.

daisy.faithfull
05-18-2011, 07:54 PM
Better news..... She looks AMAZING! Just beautiful!

Maria Shriver, Aretha Franklin Appear at Oprah Winfrey's Star-Studded Send-Off
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/maria-shriver-appears-oprah-winfreys-star-studded-surprise/story?id=13626376

Capri
05-18-2011, 07:59 PM
Wow! I got up early - not by my choice and I caught this on the news. Wow - just wow. So, he has a 10 yo child and is just coming clean about it. What a dog.

I wonder if the member of the domestic staff still works for them - if she does, how in the hello did she (they) keep this all so quiet all these years? And what does the child know? Did AS recognize and support this child?

And poor Maria. How horrible to go like this for 10 years not knowing you are not only being deceived by your husband but a member of your staff as well. That's gotta hurt.

My prayers go out to the child.

I believe the child is 13 years old, if I'm not mistaken. In any case , "Patty" and Maria had the babies just days apart.The child Patty and Arnold had together was born on October 2, 1997 in Burbank, California—five days after Maria Shriver gave birth to Arnold's son C., and 21 days before Patty separated from husband Rogelio Baena. Ahnold was quite a busy little bee, wasn't he?

On another note, obviously the kids will be affected. One of Maria's sons, the 16 year old, has changed his name on one of the social sites (twitter, I believe) to P. Shriver. Don't know if he will change his last name legally, to Shriver, but obviously he's wanting to distance himself from the Schwarzenegger name. Signs of problems to come, not that I can blame him one bit, I'd want to change my name too. He gets my vote for being pretty gutsy at only 16 to stand his ground on that one. HOpe all the kids can help each other through this.

Trino
05-18-2011, 10:09 PM
Just be patient. I'm sure the media is still digging, since there are rumors of others.

Quiche
05-18-2011, 10:27 PM
Practically polygamy-- at least for him. Disgusting. :mad:

eta: Prayers for the children involved.

LadyL
05-18-2011, 10:38 PM
TMZ has pics of her baby shower up now, and pics of her in a Hallowe'en costume.

This poor kid. His pic is all over the internet now.

LCoastMom
05-18-2011, 11:17 PM
According to TMZ - The child Patty and Arnold had together was born on October 2, 1997 in Burbank, California—five days after Maria Shriver gave birth to Arnold's son Christopher, and 21 days before Patty separated from husband RB. This is straight out of a soap opera...

Her MySpace page is still up.

http://www.myspace.com/422912073

Maria was on Oprah and she let go with a little Arnold barb in a most appropriate way... noting to Winfrey: "You have shown love, support, wisdom, and most of all," she said, with a big, meaningful pause, "the truth."

Glow
05-19-2011, 12:50 AM
Practically polygamy-- at least for him. Disgusting. :mad:



Yes. Polygamy is a mainstream American habit, try as much as we do to avoid realizing that.

Brassband
05-19-2011, 12:56 AM
I'm pretty stunned that the mistress has a myspace page with photos of the child. (He looks just like Arnold... which makes me think that Maria either has never seen the child, or has known about this affair for years)

Trino
05-19-2011, 08:45 AM
I've been trying to put myself inside the head of Patty, the housekeeper/mistress. How was she able to be pleasant to Maria? How did she feel when she saw Arnold's family, yet knew he wasn't a real father to her son? Guess money enables anyone to do anything.

IMO Arnold is scum, but Patty kept this dirty little secret (and the job) in exchange for money. IMO she wasn't exactly first-class either.

The Times states friends believe the children were together on occasion. Imagine... just one big happy family...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/18/us/18schwarzenegger.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp

SuziQ
05-19-2011, 09:16 AM
Talk about complicated and messy. Not to defend AH because it would serve him right, but I wonder if this family has been doing some blackmail.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/18/arnold-schwarzenegger-mildred-patty-baena-family-quinceanera-party-mirian-latina-celebration-love-child-scandal-children-maria-shriver-birthday-party/

Arnold Dropped a Fortune On Baby Mama's Family

5/19/2011 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff



Arnold Schwarzenegger (http://www.tmz.com/person/arnold-schwarzenegger/) singlehandedly financed a super-expensive coming-of-age birthday party for his baby mama's niece in 2000 ... and all of Arnold's kids were there -- including his love child.

TMZ has learned ... Mildred Patty Baena (http://www.tmz.com/person/mildred-patricia-baena/) has a sister named Mirian who also worked as a housekeeper for Arnold and Maria Shriver for years.

More at link

SuziQ
05-19-2011, 09:19 AM
And this is just sick! Ack!

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/18/arnold-schwarzenegger-mildred-patty-baena-maria-shriver-love-child-mother-jewelry-illegitimate-maid-sex-pregnancy-love-advice/

(snip)
And there's more. Patty confided in a friend -- when Maria would leave the house in the morning, she would crawl into the marital bed and do the deed with Arnold. She once even bragged that she was more of a wife to Arnold than Maria because she was always there for him.

Capri
05-19-2011, 10:23 AM
And this is just sick! Ack!

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/18/arnold-schwarzenegger-mildred-patty-baena-maria-shriver-love-child-mother-jewelry-illegitimate-maid-sex-pregnancy-love-advice/

(snip)
And there's more. Patty confided in a friend -- when Maria would leave the house in the morning, she would crawl into the marital bed and do the deed with Arnold. She once even bragged that she was more of a wife to Arnold than Maria because she was always there for him.

Ugh!!! Does this woman have no shame? We know Ahnold doesn't, but why tell anyone about that, if it is true, it only makes har look bad.

Capri
05-19-2011, 10:31 AM
Does PattyB's son know Arnold is his father? I haven't seen that posted anywhere. I know AS has been supporting them financially, but that's different. Has he admitted to the boy that he's his father?

CuriousHousewife
05-19-2011, 11:43 AM
I can't even feel sorry for AS if he's being blackmailed. DUH! He was already famous when he started doing the maid or whatever she is. He knows that people will do anything to get a piece of a celebrity..anything for money. He opened himself up to whatever he gets now. I only feel bad for the child.

As far as Maria is concerned, I am going to venture to guess that it's the usual case of the deal she's made to maintain status quo and her marriage. In my mind, no way she didn't know and it's only come to a head because someone has threatened to blow the whole situation wide open. At that point she had to decide if it was mutually beneficial for her to "stand by her man".

Mandy113
05-19-2011, 12:03 PM
Clearly, AS is .... scum. I just have no words for him or his behavior. As for the woman involved, if the things being said about her are true, she's beyond reprehensible. It appears she was selfish and self centered enough to be willing to use an innocent child to get what she wanted. I feel very sorry for that child, especially at his age, to be thrown into this frenzied circus is a horrible burden.

I'm not convinced Maria knew. For all we can say, she 'should' have known, I know other women who were shocked to discover their husbands were cheating when lots of people did know what was going on. I think in a long-term marriage especially, it's just hard for some women to accept. If Maria did know, I am shocked she allowed this woman's employment to continue in her home. I do feel sorry for Maria and all the children involved.

JMHO

Trino
05-19-2011, 12:18 PM
I don't think Maria knew. It appears she left when Arnold told her in January, although the separation news didn't come out until later. The big question is why Arnold told her. Did Baena threaten to tell, or was someone else going to blow open the story? IMO Arnold just didn't decide to fess up on his own.

southcitymom
05-19-2011, 01:09 PM
My sympathies and prayers for Arnold, Maria, Patty and the all children.

I do think Arnold told because the story was about to break, and he wanted to be ahead of that. Certainly, if I were in his shoes, I'd want to be ahead of that.

I didn't find the excerpt from the OUI interview (which I remember reading back when it came out - it was news back then) bothersome. Plenty of people (male and female) are sexually promiscuous before they get married - heck, that's the time to experiment and experience sexual freedom and variety if you are interested - but then settle into faithful partners when they get married.

Arnold has always had a rep as a womanizer and I'm sure Maria was aware of this rep. I can't place any "blame" on her for choosing him - the heart wants what the heart wants, and we all believe in the power of love to change the people we care about. Also, she comes from a family of womanizers - she's grown up with these types of scandals, and these types of antics are more "normal" in her world and environment. She has had to find peace with this type of behavior before, though it is bound to feel more personal to her this time. She's a great lady and she will survive.

There's still a lot we don't know - like how long his affair with Patty lasted, etc....There are rumors that there are other women too - I wonder if those will pan out to be anything more substantive.

I hope they can all move towards peace and resolution, but that won't happen overnight. How stressful it must be for everyone involved....whenever stuff like this blows up, I get a wave of gratitude that I am not in the public eye!

LCoastMom
05-19-2011, 01:12 PM
Does PattyB's son know Arnold is his father? I haven't seen that posted anywhere. I know AS has been supporting them financially, but that's different. Has he admitted to the boy that he's his father?

I would say if he didn't, he sure does now...

PMLsmom
05-19-2011, 03:08 PM
Well, I wake up this morning, get my paper, open it up, and find this...They live here in my town - Bakersfield, CA.

This is PATHETIC! Leave the boy alone!!! How can he even go to school??? I think I am going to contact the local paper and b**ch...

ETA - None of the pics are of the boy...just lookie loos, neighborhood peeps...

Morag
05-19-2011, 04:46 PM
How could anyone have failed to notice that this little boy looked remarkably like Arnold, from an early age? I am ashamed to admit that I looked at the MYSpace page. But there was another family member (a young man), don't know who he was, but he looked like Arnold, too...

Capri
05-19-2011, 05:22 PM
Why hasn't she made her myspace private yet? Just from the comments alone, I'd have to do it.

Trino
05-19-2011, 07:21 PM
Arnold did not voluntarily confess, according to this site. Maria confronted Patty, then Arnold. Wonder what happened to make Maria suspicious.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/05/arnold-confessed-after-maria-confronted-
housekeeper-about-love-child

SuziQ
05-19-2011, 07:51 PM
Trino, your link is broken. I hope you don't mind that I'm reposting it. IMO, Maria finally noticed the kid looks like a mini-Arnold?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/05/arnold-confessed-after-maria-confronted-housekeeper-about-love-child

jjenny
05-19-2011, 07:53 PM
How could anyone have failed to notice that this little boy looked remarkably like Arnold, from an early age? I am ashamed to admit that I looked at the MYSpace page. But there was another family member (a young man), don't know who he was, but he looked like Arnold, too...

I don't think the resemblance is all that obvious. The child is not exactly a carbon copy.

fran
05-19-2011, 09:37 PM
I wasn't going to follow this story, because I feel great empathy for Maria and the children, including this young boy. None of them asked for this and it has broken the family apart. I can't even imagine the devastation that Maria feels.

But I saw a part of the story on AOL, and I'm appalled. What kind of people are Arnold (his last name is too long and I don't know or care how to spell it) and that stoooopid woman?

That woman has worked under that roof for 20 years and she's laying in the same bed that Maria layed in with Arnold. OMG! It seems they waited until Maria was out of the house and then headed to the bedroom! He's bought her all kinds of stuff and helped with a fancy house (yeah, helped? pffftt) and he employed her relatives. He had the nerve to pay for and have his family at and speak at, his mistress' nieces 15 yo birthday party.

That woman followed Maria around. She BORROWED (yeah, right) her clothes so she could go out with her friends. She's had all kinds of FACE work, (she needs more, imo). Practically living with the family and playing around with Maria's husband behind her back.

I hope Maria's extended family gives her all the attention she needs. She's broken hearted and feels so betrayed, my heart goes out to her. Poor Maria, she must feel like a fool to have let this get past her. She didn't suspect a thing? or didn't want to. :(

I've seen a couple, up close and personal, go through something similar, the betrayal and the broken heart is so devastating to ALL of the family and extended family as well. It's like you're in a different world and this could never have happened. But it did.

I wish Maria well. She seems like a sensible woman and she is very beautiful and smart. I read she'd already made plans for her future. She'll survive, but the next year or so, the pain....................

JMHO
fran

PS>....a word for the press, leave this woman alone. You're doing exactly what she wanted. ATTENTION! Besides, the one who will be hurt in that situation will be this innocent child. Please BACK OFF!!

Trino
05-19-2011, 10:21 PM
I wasn't going to follow this story, because I feel great empathy for Maria and the children, including this young boy. None of them asked for this and it has broken the family apart. I can't even imagine the devastation that Maria feels.

But I saw a part of the story on AOL, and I'm appalled. What kind of people are Arnold (his last name is too long and I don't know or care how to spell it) and that stoooopid woman?

That woman has worked under that roof for 20 years and she's laying in the same bed that Maria layed in with Arnold. OMG! It seems they waited until Maria was out of the house and then headed to the bedroom! He's bought her all kinds of stuff and helped with a fancy house (yeah, helped? pffftt) and he employed her relatives. He had the nerve to pay for and have his family at and speak at, his mistress' nieces 15 yo birthday party.

That woman followed Maria around. She BORROWED (yeah, right) her clothes so she could go out with her friends. She's had all kinds of FACE work, (she needs more, imo). Practically living with the family and playing around with Maria's husband behind her back.

I hope Maria's extended family gives her all the attention she needs. She's broken hearted and feels so betrayed, my heart goes out to her. Poor Maria, she must feel like a fool to have let this get past her. She didn't suspect a thing? or didn't want to. :(

I've seen a couple, up close and personal, go through something similar, the betrayal and the broken heart is so devastating to ALL of the family and extended family as well. It's like you're in a different world and this could never have happened. But it did.

I wish Maria well. She seems like a sensible woman and she is very beautiful and smart. I read she'd already made plans for her future. She'll survive, but the next year or so, the pain....................

JMHO
fran

PS>....a word for the press, leave this woman alone. You're doing exactly what she wanted. ATTENTION! Besides, the one who will be hurt in that situation will be this innocent child. Please BACK OFF!!

I don't feel at all sorry for the media hounding the mistress and publishing her photo. IMO, "What goes around, comes around." She helped to create havoc in the family, so let her have her due.

The media has published photos of Arnold's present children and has published their Facebook quotes. Maybe the media should publish photos of Arnold taking responsibility for the boy? You can find pics of John Edwards' baby w/o a problem.

daisy.faithfull
05-20-2011, 12:06 AM
I'm pretty stunned that the mistress has a myspace page with photos of the child. (He looks just like Arnold... which makes me think that Maria either has never seen the child, or has known about this affair for years)

This woman seems to, AAAHEM... have "issues". Wearing Maria's clothes, sleeping in their bed... makes me wonder if she was putting her son on display. We know she technically kept quiet, but having a son that looks so much like Arnold and people in her life must have known she worked for the family. Not too hard to put two and two together.

I've also read that Arnold, Maria, and their children attended the "love child's" quinceanera. I don't know what Arnold and the mistress were thinking. Maybe Maria and the children just didn't want to see it, but I really find it hard to believe.

That Patrick has changed his last name to Shriver must be quite the blow to Arnold, and I have to say he deserves it and so much more.

jjenny
05-20-2011, 12:18 AM
I'm pretty stunned that the mistress has a myspace page with photos of the child. (He looks just like Arnold... which makes me think that Maria either has never seen the child, or has known about this affair for years)

I think the child also strongly resembles his mother. I do not think it's all that obvious that Arnold is the father from just looking at the child. I mean, if I didn't know Arnold was the father I wouldn't immediately guess, unlike some of the celebrities' spawn that are like a mirror image.

Emma Peel
05-20-2011, 01:10 AM
I really can't wait for this "news" to disappear ...

I heard Maria had plans for a talk show on Oprah's network, but if this keeps up, it's hard to see how or why she'd want to be in the glare on purpose. Unless she's just determined to take it back and make it her own. And if she is...more power to her.
out of respect for Maria & the children involved.

just sayin' moo.

*sigh*

DollyPardonMe
05-20-2011, 01:35 AM
Definitely one of the oddest of celebrity couples. I wish that Arnold had stuck with his strengths -- action and comedy films. I am guessing that California wishes he had stayed in Hollywood as well.

I'm from California and wish he would have stayed in Austria!!

Trino
05-20-2011, 07:08 AM
I don't feel a bit sorry for the mistress being put on public display by the media. For nearly 15 yrs (including pregnancy) she helped Arnold in the deception of both the public and Maria. News media state she also disrespected Maria by wearing her clothes and jewelry. As a housekeeper she was in Maria's face and interacted with her in the household on a daily/weekly basis. IMO it takes two to tango. IMO they're both deserving of media scandal coverage.

And, it doesn't appear this was a one time affair. She and Arnold must have had a relationship for him to shell out for her niece's quinceanera. How did that come about? There are also suggestions that Arnold paid part/all for her current home. And, I'm guessing her salary, including Arnold's contribution, was more than $1200.00 per week.

I'm waiting for her to write a book.

Paulette
05-20-2011, 12:30 PM
Wait a sec! Arnie was born in 1947 - Patty was born in 1961, AND she was a Guatemalan immigrant - working for a Movie Star/ Governor. Do ya think SHE was seduced? Da*n right! Try to imagine how this played out...Maid seduced by movie star & the most important man in California.

How could anyone blame her? She's a victim! The Governator held a Royal Flush and the maid had a pair of 2's. HE was the producer, director and main star! She was "a captive audience" and a bit player in this drama.

Try to see it through the eyes of a this woman.

Trino
05-20-2011, 02:52 PM
Wait a sec! Arnie was born in 1947 - Patty was born in 1961, AND she was a Guatemalan immigrant - working for a Movie Star/ Governor. Do ya think SHE was seduced? Da*n right! Try to imagine how this played out...Maid seduced by movie star & the most important man in California.

How could anyone blame her? She's a victim! The Governator held a Royal Flush and the maid had a pair of 2's. HE was the producer, director and main star! She was "a captive audience" and a bit player in this drama.

Try to see it through the eyes of a this woman.

This story states SHE stated she went after Arnold. No. I don't think she's a victim.

TMZ reports that the couple‘s relationship began in the 90’s, when Baena “pursued” Arnold:

Sources tell TMZ — in the late ’90s Patty began to “pursue Arnold.” She told friends they would have unprotected sex during the day at the house. Patty never slept overnight at the house and no one ever caught them in the act.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/first-look-this-is-reportedly-arnolds-mistress-and-son/

miimaa
05-20-2011, 03:21 PM
This woman seems to, AAAHEM... have "issues". Wearing Maria's clothes, sleeping in their bed... makes me wonder if she was putting her son on display. We know she technically kept quiet, but having a son that looks so much like Arnold and people in her life must have known she worked for the family. Not too hard to put two and two together.

I've also read that Arnold, Maria, and their children attended the "love child's" quinceanera. I don't know what Arnold and the mistress were thinking. Maybe Maria and the children just didn't want to see it, but I really find it hard to believe.

That Patrick has changed his last name to Shriver must be quite the blow to Arnold, and I have to say he deserves it and so much more.

BBM

The party was for the niece of this woman. The woman's sister also worked for Schwarnenegger family. Party paid for by Arnold.

Paulette
05-20-2011, 03:40 PM
This story states SHE stated she went after Arnold. No. I don't think she's a victim.

TMZ reports that the couple‘s relationship began in the 90’s, when Baena “pursued” Arnold:

Sources tell TMZ — in the late ’90s Patty began to “pursue Arnold.” She told friends they would have unprotected sex during the day at the house. Patty never slept overnight at the house and no one ever caught them in the act.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/first-look-this-is-reportedly-arnolds-mistress-and-son/

According to this article, she wasn't the only one he seduced.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1388212/Mildred-Baena-Mother-Arnold-Schwarzeneggers-lovechild-revealed.html

mister happy
05-20-2011, 06:03 PM
Wait a sec! Arnie was born in 1947 - Patty was born in 1961, AND she was a Guatemalan immigrant - working for a Movie Star/ Governor. Do ya think SHE was seduced? Da*n right! Try to imagine how this played out...Maid seduced by movie star & the most important man in California.

How could anyone blame her? She's a victim! The Governator held a Royal Flush and the maid had a pair of 2's. HE was the producer, director and main star! She was "a captive audience" and a bit player in this drama.

Try to see it through the eyes of a this woman.

FWIW, Arnold wasn't governor at the time. He was elected in 2003. Anyhow, it does take two to play patty-cake. Although Arnold is the pig.. the piglets come to roll in the mud.

Quiche
05-20-2011, 10:29 PM
I really can't wait for this "news" to disappear ...

I heard Maria had plans for a talk show on Oprah's network, but if this keeps up, it's hard to see how or why she'd want to be in the glare on purpose. Unless she's just determined to take it back and make it her own. And if she is...more power to her.
out of respect for Maria & the children involved.

just sayin' moo.

*sigh*

She's probably eager to restart her own career-- she's been in television journalism for years.

From her wiki page: After her journalism career began with KYW-TV in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, she co-anchored the CBS Morning News with Forrest Sawyer from 1985 until 1987, co-anchored NBC News's Sunday Today from 1987 until 1990 and Sunday editions of NBC Nightly News from 1989 until 1993, and was a contributing anchor on Dateline NBC from 1989 until 2004. In August 2003, Shriver took an unpaid leave of absence from NBC News when her husband became a candidate in the 2003 California gubernatorial recall election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Shriver

Blondie in Spokane
05-20-2011, 10:51 PM
"Mother of Schwarzenegger son in hiding"

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2011/05/20/rowlands.schwarzenegger.pkg.cnn?hpt=C2

daisy.faithfull
05-21-2011, 12:28 AM
BBM

The party was for the niece of this woman. The woman's sister also worked for Schwarnenegger family. Party paid for by Arnold.

Thank you! Boys don't have quinceaneras do they?:doh:

daisy.faithfull
05-21-2011, 12:46 AM
I really can't wait for this "news" to disappear ...

I heard Maria had plans for a talk show on Oprah's network, but if this keeps up, it's hard to see how or why she'd want to be in the glare on purpose. Unless she's just determined to take it back and make it her own. And if she is...more power to her.
out of respect for Maria & the children involved.

just sayin' moo.

*sigh*

I don't think that that is going to happen anytime soon. I think there are going to be more mistresses coming forward and I'm pretty sure there are more children to expose.

Because he was governor I really think that they are going to be doing an investigation. If he did anything like John Edwards did he could go to jail. I'm sure California doesn't really need to be spending the money that this type of investigation will require, but I don't think they have any choice. I hope he is investigated. I never understood how he got into office to begin with. I've never talked to anyone from California who was happy with him as their governor.

I wish that it would die down as well. It is very sad and heart breaking to think about what Maria and all of the children involved are going through.

Whatever happens now, I would bet that when Maria is ready Oprah would give her the show.

daisy.faithfull
05-21-2011, 01:07 AM
Wait a sec! Arnie was born in 1947 - Patty was born in 1961, AND she was a Guatemalan immigrant - working for a Movie Star/ Governor. Do ya think SHE was seduced? Da*n right! Try to imagine how this played out...Maid seduced by movie star & the most important man in California.

How could anyone blame her? She's a victim! The Governator held a Royal Flush and the maid had a pair of 2's. HE was the producer, director and main star! She was "a captive audience" and a bit player in this drama.

Try to see it through the eyes of a this woman.

Paulette, I understand where you are coming from. I think that many of the women who get involved with men like AS have "stars in their eyes" and are swept off their feet by the fame and power.

But if the affair began twenty years ago she would have been thirty years old.

Who knows if she pursued AS or not. It may very well be AS's people out there putting that spin out there. Now that I think about it, AS's people may be responsible for putting it out there that she was putting on Maria's clothes. Even if Patty did none of those things I still feel the same way about her.

It sounds like AS hit on anything that caught his eye. Are you saying that a thirty year old woman doesn't have the wherewithal to turn a married man down, even if he is a movie star? Wasn't Patty married?

Wouldn't that be like saying a married man is defenseless if a woman looking like she stepped off the big screen came onto him? If that man were your husband wouldn't you hold him responsible if he slept with that woman?

There is no way I would call that man a victim. I don't think Patty is a victim either.

Brassband
05-21-2011, 02:38 AM
Just as a note of interest for you non-Californians, I remember when Arnold (while still in office) got a lot of heat over a secret tape recording released by the LA Times about CA Assemblywoman Bonnie Garcia. He was caught saying she was “hot”. She wasn’t offended, and later got into trouble for saying that she “wouldn’t kick him out of bed”.

Trino
05-21-2011, 05:46 AM
I don't think that that is going to happen anytime soon. I think there are going to be more mistresses coming forward and I'm pretty sure there are more children to expose.

Because he was governor I really think that they are going to be doing an investigation. If he did anything like John Edwards did he could go to jail. I'm sure California doesn't really need to be spending the money that this type of investigation will require, but I don't think they have any choice. I hope he is investigated. I never understood how he got into office to begin with. I've never talked to anyone from California who was happy with him as their governor.

I wish that it would die down as well. It is very sad and heart breaking to think about what Maria and all of the children involved are going through.

Whatever happens now, I would bet that when Maria is ready Oprah would give her the show.

I agree that the media is trying to dig more affairs and possible children out of the woodwork, and I would not be surprised to hear of both.

Re: Maria
Although she's in hiding now, obviously, the hiding will end. About that time IMO she'll appear on TV, sell her story to a magazine, and write a book. Maria IMO will come out of this just financially fine.

Quiche
05-21-2011, 10:19 AM
Just as a note of interest for you non-Californians, I remember when Arnold (while still in office) got a lot of heat over a secret tape recording released by the LA Times about CA Assemblywoman Bonnie Garcia. He was caught saying she was “hot”. She wasn’t offended, and later got into trouble for saying that she “wouldn’t kick him out of bed”.

Omg, I would never let him in my bed-- gggrrrrrosss! :sick:

Blondie in Spokane
05-21-2011, 10:19 AM
http://newyorkpost.com/


Housekeeper's son never knew Arnold was his dad

"Maria Shriver wasn't the only person kept in the dark about Arnold Schwarzenegger's love child -- the boy himself never knew his father was the Terminator. Arnold baby mama Mildred "Patty" Baena..."

daisy.faithfull
05-21-2011, 12:03 PM
I agree that the media is trying to dig more affairs and possible children out of the woodwork, and I would not be surprised to hear of both.

Re: Maria
Although she's in hiding now, obviously, the hiding will end. About that time IMO she'll appear on TV, sell her story to a magazine, and write a book. Maria IMO will come out of this just financially fine.

...and perpetuate the focus on and exploit her and Maria's family and children. Even apart from AS she is making decisions now that are harming all of them.:loser:

jjenny
05-21-2011, 01:26 PM
http://newyorkpost.com/


Housekeeper's son never knew Arnold was his dad

"Maria Shriver wasn't the only person kept in the dark about Arnold Schwarzenegger's love child -- the boy himself never knew his father was the Terminator. Arnold baby mama Mildred "Patty" Baena..."

I feel bad for the kid-he is an innocent victim in all of this.

Velouria
05-21-2011, 02:26 PM
I agree that the media is trying to dig more affairs and possible children out of the woodwork, and I would not be surprised to hear of both.

Re: Maria
Although she's in hiding now, obviously, the hiding will end. About that time IMO she'll appear on TV, sell her story to a magazine, and write a book. Maria IMO will come out of this just financially fine.

No doubt. I'm sure it's just a matter of hours until Gloria Alred announces Ms. Baena is her newest victim du jour client. :rolleyes:

fran
05-22-2011, 04:03 PM
"Mother of Schwarzenegger son in hiding"

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2011/05/20/rowlands.schwarzenegger.pkg.cnn?hpt=C2

OMG! I'm a little behind here, but couldn't help but comment on this video. Sorry if it's already been discussed

But this mother of his child (out of wedlock) is lovin' this! This is EXACTLY what she wants, publicity. That poor child. The two parents should have thought of what this would do to Arnold's entire family, but inaddition to the devastation this child would, and is most like feeling now. What a mess....

OTOH, this second woman coming out, is also going for the publicity as well. She once was an actress. Her only claim to fame is she slept with our former governor, BEFORE he was governor. Her excuse, :rolleyes: the man needed relief! :slap:

JMHO
fran

PS.....oh, the second woman has employed the services of Gloria Allred. I doubt it's really to do anything that's between her and Arnold. It most likely has to do with, she took $20K from a media outlet to keep quiet about her affair while Arnold was running of the office of governor! Is that a crime?:waitasec: just wonderin'

fran
05-22-2011, 04:16 PM
I agree that the media is trying to dig more affairs and possible children out of the woodwork, and I would not be surprised to hear of both.

Re: Maria
Although she's in hiding now, obviously, the hiding will end. About that time IMO she'll appear on TV, sell her story to a magazine, and write a book. Maria IMO will come out of this just financially fine.

I understand Arnold told his family because he'd received information that this was going to hit the news stands.

FWIW, there's most likely been PI's hot on Arnold's tail since he left the governorship. IMHO, it most likely was NEVER about his affairs, but his 'contacts' while in office.

There's a HOT case (from down here in San Diego) being persued on behalf of a family who's son was murdered by another California lawmakers son and his friends. All were tried and convicted and the lawmaker's son received serval years in jail. Unbeknown to the public, in his final days of office, Arnold changed the sentencing or whatever, of this lawmaker's son. The new documents filed by Arnold while in office, shaved SERVAL (if not most) years off this young man's sentence. The victim's family is outraged and attempting to sue the State and I believe Arnold.

Nobody asked the victim's family how they felt about this outrageous action on the part of Arnold. :(

JMHO
fran

PS....Arnold has admitted publicly that the boy's dad, the California lawmaker, is his friend and supported his campaign for governor. :mad:

daisy.faithfull
05-23-2011, 01:58 AM
I understand Arnold told his family because he'd received information that this was going to hit the news stands.

FWIW, there's most likely been PI's hot on Arnold's tail since he left the governorship. IMHO, it most likely was NEVER about his affairs, but his 'contacts' while in office.

There's a HOT case (from down here in San Diego) being persued on behalf of a family who's son was murdered by another California lawmakers son and his friends. All were tried and convicted and the lawmaker's son received serval years in jail. Unbeknown to the public, in his final days of office, Arnold changed the sentencing or whatever, of this lawmaker's son. The new documents filed by Arnold while in office, shaved SERVAL (if not most) years off this young man's sentence. The victim's family is outraged and attempting to sue the State and I believe Arnold.

Nobody asked the victim's family how they felt about this outrageous action on the part of Arnold. :(

JMHO
fran

PS....Arnold has admitted publicly that the boy's dad, the California lawmaker, is his friend and supported his campaign for governor. :mad:

I can't imagine how they feel. Is there anything that can be done, or are AS's changes to the man's sentence final?

Gozgals
05-23-2011, 07:49 AM
A tad bit late on posting, but who could have guessed that Arnie was fooling around??

You think? :maddening:

I feel sorry for the child but I know Maria will be much better off w/out him..


Goz

LinasK
05-23-2011, 04:16 PM
A tad bit late on posting, but who could have guessed that Arnie was fooling around??

You think? :maddening:

I feel sorry for the child but I know Maria will be much better off w/out him..


Goz
Even though I'm a Democrat, I'm going to say this- it's possible Maria did know and chose to stand by her man up until this point because she was a Kennedy. That's how the Kennedy women were raised, to look the other way...

tezi
05-23-2011, 10:03 PM
A tad bit late on posting, but who could have guessed that Arnie was fooling around??

You think? :maddening:

I feel sorry for the child but I know Maria will be much better off w/out him..


Goz

You know that Maria will be so much better without him! I still can't figure out why she even married him, she could so so much better.

I feel really bad for Maria, her kids, and the other child. I wonder why Arnold decided to finally tell her the truth?

Charlie09
05-24-2011, 12:46 AM
l

As for Maria Shriver, though she has spent the past quarter of a century rallying support for her husband and ignoring all the evidence of his infidelity, she has at times acknowledged his attitude to women and, more tellingly, to her.

Years into their marriage, when she was a reporter for the U.S. TV show Dateline, she carried out an in-depth interview with a rape victim named Karen Pomer.

Over the three days during which they worked together, Karen received a dramatic insight into Maria, Arnold and the true nature of their marriage.
Karen recalled: ‘After hours of interviewing me, Maria suddenly turned around and said: “I can’t believe your boyfriend stayed with you after you were raped. If I’d been raped, my husband wouldn’t go near me again. He would leave me. I’d be damaged goods.’’ ’

Arnold’s disdain for women, and for Maria in particular, is so marked that once, in a supposed joke in a salubrious New Orleans restaurant, he pushed her face into a vast confection of whipped cream, cherries and nuts, then laughed uproariously at her deep discomfort.

That incident is paralleled by his treatment of a lowly production assistant on the 1990 film Total Recall. After the girl made it clear she didn’t drink, Arnold pressured her into downing a number of tequilas by employing a combination of charm and bullying. The girl was violently sick, a story Arnold later recalled amid spasms of laughter.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1389861/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-love-child-Biographer-says-dark-truth-emerge.html#ixzz1NF3yY299

Lots more at the link

jjenny
05-24-2011, 12:55 AM
You know that Maria will be so much better without him! I still can't figure out why she even married him, she could so so much better.

I feel really bad for Maria, her kids, and the other child. I wonder why Arnold decided to finally tell her the truth?

Supposedly Maria confronted the maid, and when the maid admitted it, then only Arnold admitted it as well. As for why she married him, love is blind.

Trino
05-24-2011, 04:59 PM
If I correctly recall, before Maria confronted Arnold, she confronted Patty who admitted that Arnold was the father of her son. I wonder after 13 yrs why Maria came to that conclusion. Did she check a bank account and see payments? Did someone alert her? Did she see the boy and decide for herself that he looked too much like Arnold?

I think maybe some of Patty's extended family knew.

jjenny
05-24-2011, 10:14 PM
At least she finally saw the light. It was pretty obvious he is a womanizer, but wife is always the last to know.

Blondie in Spokane
05-24-2011, 11:20 PM
"Maria Shriver Leaked Husband's Love Child to Newspaper, Has Hired Private Eye"

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/05/24/maria-shriver-leaked-arnolds-love-child-newspaper-hired-private-eye/#ixzz1NKYkVdXy


"Maria Shriver leaked the revelations about Arnold Schwarzenegger's love child to the media and has now hired a private investigator to find out whether her estranged husband fathered more children in secret.

Shriver's friends had to persuade the "hysterical" former TV journalist not to hold a news conference when she found out in late April or early May that Schwarzenegger had fathered a son with the family's housekeeper, TMZ reported Tuesday."

Trino
05-25-2011, 06:22 AM
"Maria Shriver Leaked Husband's Love Child to Newspaper, Has Hired Private Eye"

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/05/24/maria-shriver-leaked-arnolds-love-child-newspaper-hired-private-eye/#ixzz1NKYkVdXy


"Maria Shriver leaked the revelations about Arnold Schwarzenegger's love child to the media and has now hired a private investigator to find out whether her estranged husband fathered more children in secret.

Shriver's friends had to persuade the "hysterical" former TV journalist not to hold a news conference when she found out in late April or early May that Schwarzenegger had fathered a son with the family's housekeeper, TMZ reported Tuesday."

According to this article, she's also looking into Arnold's financial/business transactions. Good for her. That could definite pinpoint if he's bought off women.

Blondie in Spokane
05-25-2011, 09:30 AM
"Schwarzenegger mistress' hubby: Thought he was my son"

"Mildred Baena's ex says he didn't know about her affair with former Calif. governor until recently."


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43164315/ns/today-entertainment/

Velouria
05-25-2011, 01:31 PM
"Schwarzenegger mistress' hubby: Thought he was my son"

"Mildred Baena's ex says he didn't know about her affair with former Calif. governor until recently."


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43164315/ns/today-entertainment/

From Blondie's link above:


In an interview broadcast Tuesday (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b243867_ex-husband_of_arnold_schwarzeneggers.html), Baena told Entertainment Tonight's "Insider" that he was still committed to the child who he hasn't seen since last year.

Wow! After watching the interview video, I can see how Mildred Baena managed to pass off Arnold's biological son as that of her husband. It doesn't show so much in photographs, but Rogelio Baena has the same sort of lantern jaw that Arnold has. Which makes it all the more "Single White Female" when you recall the reports that the housekeeper was "borrowing" Maria's clothing and jewelry and wanted to be Maria.

Creepy!

Trino
05-25-2011, 04:17 PM
Arnold is about to get it from both sides. Maria has hired a private detective and a high powered attorney. Baena has hired an attorney.

IMO this could not happen to a more deserving person.

Velouria
05-25-2011, 07:31 PM
Arnold is about to get it from both sides. Maria has hired a private detective and a high powered attorney. Baena has hired an attorney.

IMO this could not happen to a more deserving person.

Is she suing her plastic surgeon? :)

Blondie in Spokane
05-25-2011, 08:34 PM
"California’s Attorney General Launching Criminal Inquiry Into Arnold Schwarzenegger"

"The Californian Attorney General will conduct what’s being termed an “inquiry” into former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s alleged misuse of tax payer funds to cover up sexual liaisons."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/05/california%E2%80%99s-attorney-general-launching-criminal-inquiry-arnold-schwarzenegger

jjenny
05-25-2011, 09:22 PM
From Blondie's link above:



Wow! After watching the interview video, I can see how Mildred Baena managed to pass off Arnold's biological son as that of her husband. It doesn't show so much in photographs, but Rogelio Baena has the same sort of lantern jaw that Arnold has. Which makes it all the more "Single White Female" when you recall the reports that the housekeeper was "borrowing" Maria's clothing and jewelry and wanted to be Maria.

Creepy!

The child also looks a lot like his mother, IMO. I don't see such obvious resemblance that somebody would decide Arnold was the father simply by looking at the child.

fran
05-25-2011, 10:19 PM
Sorry I haven't read all that's been talked about this alleged child of our former governor in the past few days.

Has there been a DNA test?

Just curious.
:angel:
fran

jjenny
05-25-2011, 11:04 PM
Sorry I haven't read all that's been talked about this alleged child of our former governor in the past few days.

Has there been a DNA test?

Just curious.
:angel:
fran
I presume there was a DNA test.
Would Arnold admit it was his kid otherwise?

Charlie09
05-26-2011, 12:06 AM
Sorry I haven't read all that's been talked about this alleged child of our former governor in the past few days.

Has there been a DNA test?

Just curious.
:angel:
fran

Hey Fran, I wanted to x post some of this to the California Politics thread, but I couldn't find it..???

mister happy
05-26-2011, 03:03 AM
I presume there was a DNA test.
Would Arnold admit it was his kid otherwise?

This is true. I think the boy looks like Arnold. He has that gap-toothed grin too.

Friggin' Arnold, eh?

Trino
05-26-2011, 07:21 AM
More bad news for Arnold.

Hotel security officer William Taylor said he witnessed Schwarzenegger using California Highway Patrol (CHP) officers and vehicles to ferry scantily-clad women in and out of his suite at the Sacramento Hyatt Regency. The California Attorney General is conducting an inquiry into Schwarzenegger’s alleged misuse of tax payer funds.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/05/california%E2%80%99s-attorney-general-launching-criminal-inquiry-arnold-schwarzenegger

Arnold's behavior is making Jesse James look like a saint.

TMZ.com has several photos of Arnold's extended family together at the boy's christening. UGH. How could he do this? I cannot fathom the arrogance.

Gozgals
05-26-2011, 07:29 AM
More bad news for Arnold.

Hotel security officer William Taylor said he witnessed Schwarzenegger using California Highway Patrol (CHP) officers and vehicles to ferry scantily-clad women in-and-out of his suite at the Sacramento Hyatt Regency. The California Attorney General is confucting an inquiry into Schwarzenegger’s alleged misuse of tax payer funds.

Arnold's behavior is making Jesse James look like a saint.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/05/california%E2%80%99s-attorney-general-launching-criminal-inquiry-arnold-schwarzenegger

Once this story unfolds even more, I doubt we will be shocked at what "Arnie" has gotten himself into. When Jessie starts looking like a saint, there are some real problems.

Off this subject and in reply to a statement back in the thread.

I too believe Maria had to know of Arnie's behavior and it took a back seat to the politics her family was involved with. A sort of stand by your man who is in office policy.

Goz

Trino
05-26-2011, 09:15 AM
I don't believe Maria knew.

1. She's been involved in women's issues for a long time. Knowing would completely go against her beliefs.
2. She attended both the christening of Arnold's child and Baena's quincerea for her niece. I don't think Maria would do this, knowing of Arnold's child. There is a photo of one of her children at the christening. I don't think she would bring her own child to this, knowing the situation.
3. There have been absolutely no media stories indicating she knew.
4. I just think she's above keeping this type of secret.

Blondie in Spokane
05-26-2011, 05:52 PM
"Arnold Schwarzenegger Denies He Used State Funds to Cover Up Affairs."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/05/26/arnold-schwarzenegger-denies-used-state-funds-cover-affairs/#ixzz1NUvc86KU

Trino
05-26-2011, 08:52 PM
"Arnold Schwarzenegger Denies He Used State Funds to Cover Up Affairs."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/05/26/arnold-schwarzenegger-denies-used-state-funds-cover-affairs/#ixzz1NUvc86KU

The hotel manager may testify differently. Doesn't the CA government pay the salaries of CHPS?

jjenny
05-26-2011, 08:59 PM
I don't believe Maria knew.

1. She's been involved in women's issues for a long time. Knowing would completely go against her beliefs.
2. She attended both the christening of Arnold's child and Baena's quincerea for her niece. I don't think Maria would do this, knowing of Arnold's child. There is a photo of one of her children at the christening. I don't think she would bring her own child to this, knowing the situation.
3. There have been absolutely no media stories indicating she knew.
4. I just think she's above keeping this type of secret.

I don't believe she knew either. Maybe she should have known, but wife is always the last to know. From what is reported, it certainly appears she is very angry after finding out, which again supports the idea she did not know.

Blondie in Spokane
06-02-2011, 06:47 AM
"Arnold's Love Child -- NO DNA TEST!!!"

"Arnold Schwarzenegger concedes he's Mildred "Patty" Baena's baby daddy, but TMZ has learned there was NEVER a DNA test establishing paternity."

http://www.tmz.com/page/2/

Blondie in Spokane
06-02-2011, 06:53 AM
"Arnold Hires Attorney, Hammers Out Divorce Deets"

"Arnold Schwarzenegger is pulling out a big gun for his inevitable divorce battle with Maria Shriver ... officially hiring attorney Bob Kaufman -- who's already tackling some touchy issues of the split."

http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/01/arnold-schwarzenegger-officially-hires-divorce-lawyer-bob-kaufman-maria-shriver-laura-wasser-scandal-love-child-mildred-patty-baena/

tezi
06-04-2011, 06:37 PM
Once this story unfolds even more, I doubt we will be shocked at what "Arnie" has gotten himself into. When Jessie starts looking like a saint, there are some real problems.

Off this subject and in reply to a statement back in the thread.

I too believe Maria had to know of Arnie's behavior and it took a back seat to the politics her family was involved with. A sort of stand by your man who is in office policy.

Goz

Goz, you now owe me a keyboard! LOL, when Jesse James starts looking like a saint, we do have some REAL problems.....

I never understood what Maria seen in Arnold. Now, he counts marrying her as one of his biggest achievements....Without her, he would have NEVER been Governor of California, IMO.

Kat
06-05-2011, 05:27 AM
The child deserves to have a paternity test done. JMHO.

Bless his heart. I wonder how this will effect him, in the long run?

2 percent
06-07-2011, 05:33 PM
I was in the grocery store the other day when the story broke that Maria was taking Arnold for 500 million. I was at the cashier, who was a middle aged man, while an elderly man was behind me. The cashier started the conversation saying "I hope Maria takes him for everything". I just smiled and paid. The man behind me said "yeah, anyone that would cheat on their wife should be wiped out!". The cashier agree with him.

I thought of what a peculiar position I was in! I'm a woman and I didn't agree at all!

Look, I don't approve of cheating...I think it's cowardly and needlessly inflicts emotional harm for no reason than the jerk cheating wants their cake and eat it too. If you're so far gone you're LOOKING to have sex with someone else, you need to split! You don't have to divorce but separate and live the honest life - don't destroy families for sexual gratification!

That being said, I couldn't help but think that Maria's answer - if it really is to take him for everything - is wrong. Yeah, she's embarassed and mad but a rich woman scooping up money to salve her public embarassment is just as morally bankrupt as having sex with other people when you're committed to someone else.

OneLove
06-07-2011, 11:29 PM
I was in the grocery store the other day when the story broke that Maria was taking Arnold for 500 million. I was at the cashier, who was a middle aged man, while an elderly man was behind me. The cashier started the conversation saying "I hope Maria takes him for everything". I just smiled and paid. The man behind me said "yeah, anyone that would cheat on their wife should be wiped out!". The cashier agree with him.

I thought of what a peculiar position I was in! I'm a woman and I didn't agree at all!

Look, I don't approve of cheating...I think it's cowardly and needlessly inflicts emotional harm for no reason than the jerk cheating wants their cake and eat it too. If you're so far gone you're LOOKING to have sex with someone else, you need to split! You don't have to divorce but separate and live the honest life - don't destroy families for sexual gratification!

That being said, I couldn't help but think that Maria's answer - if it really is to take him for everything - is wrong. Yeah, she's embarassed and mad but a rich woman scooping up money to salve her public embarassment is just as morally bankrupt as having sex with other people when you're committed to someone else.

I do understand your points and agree that the rationale should not be revenge or spite. But consider that she probably spent a FORTUNE to maintain her life with him, along with giving UP a fortune in potential earned income to live a life as Mrs Arnold. His acts are egegious enough for me to believe that he committed fraud against Maria. She deserves every dime back she invested . And then some for punitive damages.

I might not feel this way had he exercised just a tad bit of respect by not sleeping with an employee right under her and the children's noses in her own bed for an extended time period while lying to her and using her name and their marriage to further HIS career that never would have left Tinseltown without her.

Silkprint
06-08-2011, 05:09 PM
I think what he did was outright deplorable . His kids were in the house too ! Bad enough he was a cheater but in the same house as his own children ..that is just too much !

2 percent
06-11-2011, 11:55 AM
I do understand your points and agree that the rationale should not be revenge or spite. But consider that she probably spent a FORTUNE to maintain her life with him, along with giving UP a fortune in potential earned income to live a life as Mrs Arnold. His acts are egegious enough for me to believe that he committed fraud against Maria. She deserves every dime back she invested . And then some for punitive damages.

I might not feel this way had he exercised just a tad bit of respect by not sleeping with an employee right under her and the children's noses in her own bed for an extended time period while lying to her and using her name and their marriage to further HIS career that never would have left Tinseltown without her.

I don't think cheating means you forfeit your life much less your entire fortune. That's just going way too far.

Quiche
06-11-2011, 02:18 PM
She should get fifty percent, that's the going rate of a divorce, right? jmo

shana
06-12-2011, 01:38 AM
She should get fifty percent, that's the going rate of a divorce, right? jmo

California is a community-property state, 50/50...but the devil is in the details, from what I've seen.

jjenny
06-12-2011, 10:13 AM
Goz, you now owe me a keyboard! LOL, when Jesse James starts looking like a saint, we do have some REAL problems.....

I never understood what Maria seen in Arnold. Now, he counts marrying her as one of his biggest achievements....Without her, he would have NEVER been Governor of California, IMO.

I believe based on some statements I read that she made, she wanted someone different from the men she would be expected to chose from for her to marry. I am guessing Arnold was much more exciting than any of the "regular" men she could have picked from.

2 percent
06-12-2011, 01:06 PM
She should get fifty percent, that's the going rate of a divorce, right? jmo

Yes, she's entitled to 50% of what he has made during their marriage.
But, she has no legal claim on money made before their marriage. Just like Arnold has no legal claim on the money she received before their marriage from that huge Kennedy fortune. Oh yeah! Her mother, the Kennedy sister, died during their marriage...I guess you agree he's entitled to that money, right? Don't worry! The Kennedys know how to protect their money from in-laws, I'm sure it was in trusts.

Legally, the rules are clear. And they are clear for that reason...no one should have to forfeit their fortune to another person even if they did cheat.

By the way, you think she didn't know about this affair and the child well before it came out? Heck yeah she did!! But she wanted to be First Lady of California. He may have taken her dignity but she traded it!

Emma Peel
06-13-2011, 07:19 PM
<respectfully snipped>

By the way, you think she didn't know about this affair and the child well before it came out? Heck yeah she did!! But she wanted to be First Lady of California. He may have taken her dignity but she traded it!

see BBM above.

what? :no:

This comment goes in the direction of "she dressed that way? well, then she asked for it."

Arnold did not take Maria's dignity. Nor did she trade it. :nono:
Rather, she booted him. In very dignified fashion.

Arnold took his own dignity. By betraying his wife, his children and his out-of-wedlock child, and lying about it for years. The woman who cheated with him, cheated on her own husband, and went along with the cover-up and lied to her own child - SHE took her own dignity too.

Period.

:cow:

2 percent
06-13-2011, 10:19 PM
Emma Peel: This comment goes in the direction of "she dressed that way? well, then she asked for it."

What in the world are you talking about? My posts, in no way, even hint that Maria "asked for it"....for that matter, what did Maria "ask for" that she "got"? Your analogy makes no sense.
Perhaps you should explain in what way my post about the curious timing of Maria's revelation which she clearly had to know for a long time beforehand (too smoothly revealed in the press for it to be recent knowledge) has to do with "asking" for something.
No wait...perhaps you better first explain what exactly Maria "asked for".

Emma Peel: Arnold took his own dignity. By betraying his wife, his children and his out-of-wedlock child, and lying about it for years. The woman who cheated with him, cheated on her own husband, and went along with the cover-up and lied to her own child - SHE took her own dignity too.

Period.

:cow:

And Maria destroyed her own dignity by not revealing this love child and booting Arnold before...but instead, trading it for a political position that fed her ego and vanity.
By the way, who exactly is a cow? Me or you?

Emma Peel
06-13-2011, 11:49 PM
Emma Peel: This comment goes in the direction of "she dressed that way? well, then she asked for it."

What in the world are you talking about? My posts, in no way, even hint that Maria "asked for it"....for that matter, what did Maria "ask for" that she "got"? Your analogy makes no sense.
Perhaps you should explain in what way my post about the curious timing of Maria's revelation which she clearly had to know for a long time beforehand (too smoothly revealed in the press for it to be recent knowledge) has to do with "asking" for something.
No wait...perhaps you better first explain what exactly Maria "asked for".

Emma Peel: Arnold took his own dignity. By betraying his wife, his children and his out-of-wedlock child, and lying about it for years. The woman who cheated with him, cheated on her own husband, and went along with the cover-up and lied to her own child - SHE took her own dignity too.

Period.

:cow:

And Maria destroyed her own dignity by not revealing this love child and booting Arnold before...but instead, trading it for a political position that fed her ego and vanity.
By the way, who exactly is a cow? Me or you?

whoa, 2% - a Welcome to WS! :D

the little cow icon here at WS is saying moo. MOO is the acronym for My Own Opinion". (JMHO, MOO, JMO, MHO & :cow: - these are equivalent)

for example in your post about Maria, you might have been able to use a
"MOO" yourself - or ... if preferred, a little cow saying your moo for you ...

here's your quote from above:

By the way, you think she didn't know about this affair and the child well before it came out? Heck yeah she did!! But she wanted to be First Lady of California. He may have taken her dignity but she traded it!

Since you did not link to your comment any factual evidence of what you wish to accuse Maria of, then we must take this "Heck yeah she did!" to be your opinion, and not fact.

If I may, I'll further explain why the belief that Maria was somehow part of Arnold's illigitimate cover-up - makes no sense, IMO. :cow:

Maria Shriver was a mother to 4 children at the time of the birth of Arnold's out-of-wedlock child. The other woman was her married housekeeper. Maria had just given birth to #4 herself. They were pregnant at the same time. They were friends. Cared for each other. Attended family affairs together. The other woman's husband believed this was his child. The child was often with Maria's children by virtue of the close family ties. The only two that knew the secret were Arnold and the housekeeper. No paternity test.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler - would let her then 4 young children grow up living in a big fat lie with, unknown to them - their own blood brother, "the help's son" for 10 years; the idea that Maria would betray another child as well - so that she could personally benefit from what? :waitasec:

I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah.

Maria Shriver would knowingly cheat on these 5 children in order to be First Lady of a Republican California Governor? Because (as you say) to feed her own vanity and ego?

Really? I'm sorry, but to me, it's nearly an impossible theory.

Because there is no motivation for deceiving her children.

And because she already had as much fame as she cared to have. She was a Shriver. (Do you know the Shrivers?) They're not ego people. They're givers.
http://vivanista.com/2010/04/interview-with-maria-shriver-voluntarism-empowering-women-and-ice-cream-on-top/

Maria Shriver was never so desperate that she'd need to cover for any man who did that to her and her children. Why on earth - especially when she's already bigger US royalty than the Governor herself would she betray her family for a CA First Lady gig? - and let another little one go without knowing it's father.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence Maria had rather Arnold didn't run. But he wanted to run, he did run, and she supported him. And, in fact, it was Arnold parlayed her Kennedy pedigree and political contacts to ensure he'd win the Governorship.

I get the impression she wanted to be a broadcaster and a mother at the time. But she gave up broadcasting - probably to support the family's needs given the Gov. had to travel constantly.

So...fast forward...10 years...

The term is over. Her mother has Alzheimers, dies. Her father dies. She nurses them both. At her darkest hours she discovers the unfathomable. She gets legal advise, makes her decision, develops PR strategy behind Arnold's back, she asks him to leave, she gives him very little warning that she's going to come clean to the press. She prepares her children. They all speak with Arnold. She controls the leak it to the press, with (you can bet on it - legal advice). Arnold once caught knows the rules. You admit immediately. You take the blame immediately - it's only hope of coming out with less damage. He admits to fathering the child he'd lied to for 10 years. He admits he's lied to his entire family for years. His kids change their names. He cancels his movie productions, investments frozen, lest they become losses. He knows he's got to pay the piper & get through an expensive divorce.

If you have documentation and can link it here with regard to Maria "she clearly had to know", feel free to bring it.

Otherwise, :no:

I cannot agree. Not at all. :cow:

Maria Shriver may be strong and silent and know how to play hardball, but she's as dignified as they come.

*******************************

To clarify my double analogy - which wasn't clear, I'm sorry - there's 2 ways to view this situation.

The Woman Betrayed Story. And The Twisted Woman-is-to-Blame Story.
I don't buy the Women-is-to-Blame in either.


Woman Betrayed Story:
A woman dresses to look her best, gets assaulted. :: Maria supports Arnold in his political life, gets betrayed.


The-Woman-is-to-Blame Story:
A women dresses sexy and is assaulted by a man - her fault for dressing sexy :: Maria wants to be 1st Lady and lets Arnold ruin her family - her fault for covering up for Arnold.


Maria was betrayed. :cow:

songline
06-14-2011, 04:33 PM
The Mother of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Love Child Speaks
Baena says that as the boy got older, there were whispers around the household regarding Joseph's resemblance
to Schwarzenegger and finally Shriver confronted her.

"She was so strong," Baena says of Shriver. "She cried with me and told me to get off my knees.
We held each other and I told her it wasn't Arnie's fault -- that it takes two."

The ex-housekeeper says she has no hard feelings toward Schwarzenegger, calling him a "good man."

"He loves Maria," she says. "I hope with time they work things out."

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/the-mother-of-arnold-schwarzeneggers-love-child-speaks-13101.gallery?GT1=28135

WELL..... IMHO he is an ugly pig, why should Maria re-consider?

songline
06-14-2011, 04:34 PM
Arnold's mistress talks love child in exclusive interview with Hello! Magazine

In an exclusive interview with Hello! Magazine, Mildred Baena said when her 13-year-old son Joseph learned
that the former California governor and movie star was his father his reaction was simply, "Cool!”

Baena also said she was surprised to get a compassionate reaction from Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria Shriver.

>>>>>>>>>SNIP

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/entertainment/arnold's-mistress-talks-love-child-in-exclusive-interview

Emma Peel
06-14-2011, 06:50 PM
:tyou: songline.

linkie to the rescue. niiiiiice.

it was interesting to learn that the housekeeper never even told Arnold - she just kept working for the family. also interesting to learn how Maria found out.

one day, the housekeeper's son outgrows his baby face and resembles your husband. well, knock me over with a feather. :crazy:

2 percent
06-15-2011, 07:49 PM
whoa, 2% - a Welcome to WS! :D

the little cow icon here at WS is saying moo. MOO is the acronym for My Own Opinion". (JMHO, MOO, JMO, MHO & :cow: - these are equivalent)

for example in your post about Maria, you might have been able to use a
"MOO" yourself - or ... if preferred, a little cow saying your moo for you ...

here's your quote from above:


Since you did not link to your comment any factual evidence of what you wish to accuse Maria of, then we must take this "Heck yeah she did!" to be your opinion, and not fact.

If I may, I'll further explain why the belief that Maria was somehow part of Arnold's illigitimate cover-up - makes no sense, IMO. :cow:

Maria Shriver was a mother to 4 children at the time of the birth of Arnold's out-of-wedlock child. The other woman was her married housekeeper. Maria had just given birth to #4 herself. They were pregnant at the same time. They were friends. Cared for each other. Attended family affairs together. The other woman's husband believed this was his child. The child was often with Maria's children by virtue of the close family ties. The only two that knew the secret were Arnold and the housekeeper. No paternity test.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler - would let her then 4 young children grow up living in a big fat lie with, unknown to them - their own blood brother, "the help's son" for 10 years; the idea that Maria would betray another child as well - so that she could personally benefit from what? :waitasec:

I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah.

Maria Shriver would knowingly cheat on these 5 children in order to be First Lady of a Republican California Governor? Because (as you say) to feed her own vanity and ego?

Really? I'm sorry, but to me, it's nearly an impossible theory.

Because there is no motivation for deceiving her children.

And because she already had as much fame as she cared to have. She was a Shriver. (Do you know the Shrivers?) They're not ego people. They're givers.
http://vivanista.com/2010/04/interview-with-maria-shriver-voluntarism-empowering-women-and-ice-cream-on-top/

Maria Shriver was never so desperate that she'd need to cover for any man who did that to her and her children. Why on earth - especially when she's already bigger US royalty than the Governor herself would she betray her family for a CA First Lady gig? - and let another little one go without knowing it's father.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence Maria had rather Arnold didn't run. But he wanted to run, he did run, and she supported him. And, in fact, it was Arnold parlayed her Kennedy pedigree and political contacts to ensure he'd win the Governorship.

I get the impression she wanted to be a broadcaster and a mother at the time. But she gave up broadcasting - probably to support the family's needs given the Gov. had to travel constantly.

So...fast forward...10 years...

The term is over. Her mother has Alzheimers, dies. Her father dies. She nurses them both. At her darkest hours she discovers the unfathomable. She gets legal advise, makes her decision, develops PR strategy behind Arnold's back, she asks him to leave, she gives him very little warning that she's going to come clean to the press. She prepares her children. They all speak with Arnold. She controls the leak it to the press, with (you can bet on it - legal advice). Arnold once caught knows the rules. You admit immediately. You take the blame immediately - it's only hope of coming out with less damage. He admits to fathering the child he'd lied to for 10 years. He admits he's lied to his entire family for years. His kids change their names. He cancels his movie productions, investments frozen, lest they become losses. He knows he's got to pay the piper & get through an expensive divorce.

If you have documentation and can link it here with regard to Maria "she clearly had to know", feel free to bring it.

Otherwise, :no:

I cannot agree. Not at all. :cow:

Maria Shriver may be strong and silent and know how to play hardball, but she's as dignified as they come.

*******************************

To clarify my double analogy - which wasn't clear, I'm sorry - there's 2 ways to view this situation.

The Woman Betrayed Story. And The Twisted Woman-is-to-Blame Story.
I don't buy the Women-is-to-Blame in either.


Woman Betrayed Story:
A woman dresses to look her best, gets assaulted. :: Maria supports Arnold in his political life, gets betrayed.


The-Woman-is-to-Blame Story:
A women dresses sexy and is assaulted by a man - her fault for dressing sexy :: Maria wants to be 1st Lady and lets Arnold ruin her family - her fault for covering up for Arnold.


Maria was betrayed. :cow:

Rape is not analogous to a woman ignoring her husband's infidelities for her own political gain.
Less is more.

OneLove
06-15-2011, 10:25 PM
I don't think cheating means you forfeit your life much less your entire fortune. That's just going way too far.

If you reread my post, I did NOT say he should forfeit his life, neither did I say he should forfeit his entire fortune. What I DID say is she should get back the money SHE invested. What I said and what YOU said I said are worlds apart. I think they are far enough apart to be considered misrepresentation.

Glow
06-15-2011, 11:57 PM
I was in the grocery store the other day when the story broke that Maria was taking Arnold for 500 million.

Really?

I hadnt heard that.

How could she "take" him for 500 mil when jointly they are worth (as is being reported ((and we all know that can be wildy inaccurate)) around 400 million).

Color me curious.

JBean
06-16-2011, 12:00 AM
Really?

I hadnt heard that.

How could she "take" him for 500 mil when jointly they are worth (as is being reported ((and we all know that can be wildy inaccurate)) around 400 million).

Color me curious.
HI Glow. :hug: In that case, I hope she does take him for 500mil. She can take 400 now and he can pay her monthly for the other 100.

Glow
06-16-2011, 10:27 AM
You really need to get appointed to the bench! :twocents:

OneLostGrl
06-19-2011, 12:29 AM
Arnold's mistress talks love child in exclusive interview with Hello! Magazine

In an exclusive interview with Hello! Magazine, Mildred Baena said when her 13-year-old son Joseph learned
that the former California governor and movie star was his father his reaction was simply, "Cool!”

Baena also said she was surprised to get a compassionate reaction from Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria Shriver.

>>>>>>>>>SNIP

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/entertainment/arnold's-mistress-talks-love-child-in-exclusive-interview

Maria is a better woman than I am.. that's for sure. I can't begin to imagine her pain.

OneLostGrl
06-19-2011, 12:48 AM
whoa, 2% - a Welcome to WS! :D

the little cow icon here at WS is saying moo. MOO is the acronym for My Own Opinion". (JMHO, MOO, JMO, MHO & :cow: - these are equivalent)

for example in your post about Maria, you might have been able to use a
"MOO" yourself - or ... if preferred, a little cow saying your moo for you ...

here's your quote from above:


Since you did not link to your comment any factual evidence of what you wish to accuse Maria of, then we must take this "Heck yeah she did!" to be your opinion, and not fact.

If I may, I'll further explain why the belief that Maria was somehow part of Arnold's illigitimate cover-up - makes no sense, IMO. :cow:

Maria Shriver was a mother to 4 children at the time of the birth of Arnold's out-of-wedlock child. The other woman was her married housekeeper. Maria had just given birth to #4 herself. They were pregnant at the same time. They were friends. Cared for each other. Attended family affairs together. The other woman's husband believed this was his child. The child was often with Maria's children by virtue of the close family ties. The only two that knew the secret were Arnold and the housekeeper. No paternity test.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler - would let her then 4 young children grow up living in a big fat lie with, unknown to them - their own blood brother, "the help's son" for 10 years; the idea that Maria would betray another child as well - so that she could personally benefit from what? :waitasec:

I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah.

Maria Shriver would knowingly cheat on these 5 children in order to be First Lady of a Republican California Governor? Because (as you say) to feed her own vanity and ego?

Really? I'm sorry, but to me, it's nearly an impossible theory.

Because there is no motivation for deceiving her children.

And because she already had as much fame as she cared to have. She was a Shriver. (Do you know the Shrivers?) They're not ego people. They're givers.
http://vivanista.com/2010/04/interview-with-maria-shriver-voluntarism-empowering-women-and-ice-cream-on-top/

Maria Shriver was never so desperate that she'd need to cover for any man who did that to her and her children. Why on earth - especially when she's already bigger US royalty than the Governor herself would she betray her family for a CA First Lady gig? - and let another little one go without knowing it's father.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence Maria had rather Arnold didn't run. But he wanted to run, he did run, and she supported him. And, in fact, it was Arnold parlayed her Kennedy pedigree and political contacts to ensure he'd win the Governorship.

I get the impression she wanted to be a broadcaster and a mother at the time. But she gave up broadcasting - probably to support the family's needs given the Gov. had to travel constantly.

So...fast forward...10 years...

The term is over. Her mother has Alzheimers, dies. Her father dies. She nurses them both. At her darkest hours she discovers the unfathomable. She gets legal advise, makes her decision, develops PR strategy behind Arnold's back, she asks him to leave, she gives him very little warning that she's going to come clean to the press. She prepares her children. They all speak with Arnold. She controls the leak it to the press, with (you can bet on it - legal advice). Arnold once caught knows the rules. You admit immediately. You take the blame immediately - it's only hope of coming out with less damage. He admits to fathering the child he'd lied to for 10 years. He admits he's lied to his entire family for years. His kids change their names. He cancels his movie productions, investments frozen, lest they become losses. He knows he's got to pay the piper & get through an expensive divorce.

If you have documentation and can link it here with regard to Maria "she clearly had to know", feel free to bring it.

Otherwise, :no:

I cannot agree. Not at all. :cow:

Maria Shriver may be strong and silent and know how to play hardball, but she's as dignified as they come.

*******************************

To clarify my double analogy - which wasn't clear, I'm sorry - there's 2 ways to view this situation.

The Woman Betrayed Story. And The Twisted Woman-is-to-Blame Story.
I don't buy the Women-is-to-Blame in either.


Woman Betrayed Story:
A woman dresses to look her best, gets assaulted. :: Maria supports Arnold in his political life, gets betrayed.


The-Woman-is-to-Blame Story:
A women dresses sexy and is assaulted by a man - her fault for dressing sexy :: Maria wants to be 1st Lady and lets Arnold ruin her family - her fault for covering up for Arnold.


Maria was betrayed. :cow:

:clap: :clap:

songline
06-19-2011, 09:02 PM
Maria is a better woman than I am.. that's for sure. I can't begin to imagine her pain.

I agree.

songline
06-20-2011, 09:47 PM
:tyou: songline.

linkie to the rescue. niiiiiice.

it was interesting to learn that the housekeeper never even told Arnold - she just kept working for the family. also interesting to learn how Maria found out.one day, the housekeeper's son outgrows his baby face and resembles your husband. well, knock me over with a feather. :crazy:

Is it possible that the housekeeper never told Arnold ?
I guess it is possible. If true - she is not the worst person :waitasec:
but she did have a cushy job that she did want to keep. Therefore, I am not so sure. IT SOUNDS A BIT TOO NOBEL.

HOW Nobel is she? If the boy looks like Arnold, why did she bring him around on that day? :confused:
If she never got any extra money - now that she is retired she wanted the extra money, so she brought the kid with her?
Working it to make sure, he has to support his SON? :confused: Does not sound so Nobel anymore :nono:
And she just fell to her knees when Maria confronted her :waitasec:

Well - makes a great movie don’t you think?

jjenny
06-21-2011, 12:06 AM
:tyou: songline.

linkie to the rescue. niiiiiice.

it was interesting to learn that the housekeeper never even told Arnold - she just kept working for the family. also interesting to learn how Maria found out.

one day, the housekeeper's son outgrows his baby face and resembles your husband. well, knock me over with a feather. :crazy:

That interview doesn't say that the housekeeper didn't tell Arnold that he was the baby daddy.

Emma Peel
06-21-2011, 12:46 AM
That interview doesn't say that the housekeeper didn't tell Arnold that he was the baby daddy.

IMO, The way it's written, it does, indeed, say that.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/entertainment/arnold%27s-mistress-talks-love-child-in-exclusive-interview

right from the article:


Baena said she wasn't the one to break the news to Schwarzenegger that Joseph was his.

songline
06-21-2011, 12:03 PM
That interview doesn't say that the housekeeper didn't tell Arnold that he was the baby daddy.

WELL it is on one of the links here at WS
I did read that the housekeeper never told him
that he is the daddy.

2 percent
06-21-2011, 03:26 PM
If you reread my post, I did NOT say he should forfeit his life, neither did I say he should forfeit his entire fortune. What I DID say is she should get back the money SHE invested. What I said and what YOU said I said are worlds apart. I think they are far enough apart to be considered misrepresentation.

....did you read my post?

I had two points in my post, that men around me said he deserved to lose his entire fortune and his life and I firmly disagreed for the reasons stated.

You didn't directly engage either losing his entire fortune or life, but clearly said you disagreed with me.

Logically, that pretty much only adds up to one thing - you agreed with the men I mentioned. If you think that's in error, no offense, maybe you should directly engage the point of my post next time.

2 percent
06-21-2011, 03:38 PM
Really?

I hadnt heard that.

How could she "take" him for 500 mil when jointly they are worth (as is being reported ((and we all know that can be wildy inaccurate)) around 400 million).

Color me curious.

Arnold is worth 400 million and Maria is worth 100 million so jointly they are worth 500 million according to Celebrity Net Worth and quoted by the HuffingandPuffington Post as well as many others as being the accurate number. I don't mind if you have a different number, I do mind you don't have a source like I do, though.

Of course this reporting is wildly inaccurate because, as I said before, the only money that is community property in California is that made during the marriage and if Arnold made the majority of his money before marrying, well, Maria's community property is smaller than their current joint worth. Also, his infidelity has nothing legally to do with how much Maria will get.

Cute little clique.

Kimberlyd125
06-21-2011, 04:18 PM
The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler

Snipped for space:

BBM and Underlined by me

Emma, Arnold is not a democrat (although he behaves like one).
He is a republican (but there is nothing "republican" about him).

Just thought I'd clear that up.

I can see why you thought he was a dem though. He has very democratic views. I don't know why he remains a republican. :waitasec:

2 percent
06-21-2011, 04:30 PM
Snipped for space:

BBM and Underlined by me

Emma, Arnold is not a democrat (although he behaves like one).
He is a republican (but there is nothing "republican" about him).

Just thought I'd clear that up.

I can see why you thought he was a dem though. He has very democratic views. I don't know why he remains a republican. :waitasec:

I was born and raised in California, LA to be specific, and the animal "California Republican" (AKA "Hollywood Republican") has never been identified or even classified as what they are...wimps! :great:

(Kidding)

Seriously though, I've lived all over the US and I have found the West Coast and the Northeast have very different republicans than those you find in the midwest or the south - who would call those "California Republicans" conservative or moderate Democrats. As a matter of fact, I've found the midwest to be far more conservative across the board than the south/Bible Belt.

Emma Peel
06-21-2011, 05:22 PM
Snipped for space:

BBM and Underlined by me

Emma, Arnold is not a democrat (although he behaves like one).
He is a republican (but there is nothing "republican" about him).

Just thought I'd clear that up.

I can see why you thought he was a dem though. He has very democratic views. I don't know why he remains a republican. :waitasec:

Kim,

I apologize for my string of commas, (see quote below) but everything I listed there refers to Maria, not Arnold.

However, you may not be the only one I confused with that run on sentence. I knew Arnold was a Republican. Their bi-partisan marriage has always been the big "thing" about their relationship. Well, before this latest news. :)


The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler.

SunnieRN
06-21-2011, 10:26 PM
whoa, 2% - a Welcome to WS! :D

the little cow icon here at WS is saying moo. MOO is the acronym for My Own Opinion". (JMHO, MOO, JMO, MHO & :cow: - these are equivalent)

for example in your post about Maria, you might have been able to use a
"MOO" yourself - or ... if preferred, a little cow saying your moo for you ...

here's your quote from above:


Since you did not link to your comment any factual evidence of what you wish to accuse Maria of, then we must take this "Heck yeah she did!" to be your opinion, and not fact.

If I may, I'll further explain why the belief that Maria was somehow part of Arnold's illigitimate cover-up - makes no sense, IMO. :cow:

Maria Shriver was a mother to 4 children at the time of the birth of Arnold's out-of-wedlock child. The other woman was her married housekeeper. Maria had just given birth to #4 herself. They were pregnant at the same time. They were friends. Cared for each other. Attended family affairs together. The other woman's husband believed this was his child. The child was often with Maria's children by virtue of the close family ties. The only two that knew the secret were Arnold and the housekeeper. No paternity test.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler - would let her then 4 young children grow up living in a big fat lie with, unknown to them - their own blood brother, "the help's son" for 10 years; the idea that Maria would betray another child as well - so that she could personally benefit from what? :waitasec:

I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah.

Maria Shriver would knowingly cheat on these 5 children in order to be First Lady of a Republican California Governor? Because (as you say) to feed her own vanity and ego?

Really? I'm sorry, but to me, it's nearly an impossible theory.

Because there is no motivation for deceiving her children.

And because she already had as much fame as she cared to have. She was a Shriver. (Do you know the Shrivers?) They're not ego people. They're givers.
http://vivanista.com/2010/04/interview-with-maria-shriver-voluntarism-empowering-women-and-ice-cream-on-top/

Maria Shriver was never so desperate that she'd need to cover for any man who did that to her and her children. Why on earth - especially when she's already bigger US royalty than the Governor herself would she betray her family for a CA First Lady gig? - and let another little one go without knowing it's father.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence Maria had rather Arnold didn't run. But he wanted to run, he did run, and she supported him. And, in fact, it was Arnold parlayed her Kennedy pedigree and political contacts to ensure he'd win the Governorship.

I get the impression she wanted to be a broadcaster and a mother at the time. But she gave up broadcasting - probably to support the family's needs given the Gov. had to travel constantly.

So...fast forward...10 years...

The term is over. Her mother has Alzheimers, dies. Her father dies. She nurses them both. At her darkest hours she discovers the unfathomable. She gets legal advise, makes her decision, develops PR strategy behind Arnold's back, she asks him to leave, she gives him very little warning that she's going to come clean to the press. She prepares her children. They all speak with Arnold. She controls the leak it to the press, with (you can bet on it - legal advice). Arnold once caught knows the rules. You admit immediately. You take the blame immediately - it's only hope of coming out with less damage. He admits to fathering the child he'd lied to for 10 years. He admits he's lied to his entire family for years. His kids change their names. He cancels his movie productions, investments frozen, lest they become losses. He knows he's got to pay the piper & get through an expensive divorce.

If you have documentation and can link it here with regard to Maria "she clearly had to know", feel free to bring it.

Otherwise, :no:

I cannot agree. Not at all. :cow:

Maria Shriver may be strong and silent and know how to play hardball, but she's as dignified as they come.

*******************************

To clarify my double analogy - which wasn't clear, I'm sorry - there's 2 ways to view this situation.

The Woman Betrayed Story. And The Twisted Woman-is-to-Blame Story.
I don't buy the Women-is-to-Blame in either.


Woman Betrayed Story:
A woman dresses to look her best, gets assaulted. :: Maria supports Arnold in his political life, gets betrayed.


The-Woman-is-to-Blame Story:
A women dresses sexy and is assaulted by a man - her fault for dressing sexy :: Maria wants to be 1st Lady and lets Arnold ruin her family - her fault for covering up for Arnold.


Maria was betrayed. :cow:

:great::woohoo:

Fairy1
06-23-2011, 12:27 AM
Well, I see this thread has deteriorated into the ridiculous.

So what if the bimbo didn't TELL Arnold the child was his? Does that negate the fact that they were having an affair? No.

So what if Maria knew before the public knew? Does that negate the fact that her HUSBAND was having an affair right under her nose; in her OWN home? No.

And really, whose "dignity" is at stake here? Not Maria's!

She doesn't need Arnold's money - she has her own. Though I can't blame her for going for it. I assume they had a pre-nup.

She "wanted to be First Lady of California????" Really? Give me a break! What woman - particularly half of Hollywood/Washington, D.C. royalty - would truly WANT that? You DO know the state the state of California is in, right?

I'm really not sure how anyone could possibly spin this tragedy to Arnold's favor, but none of the above cuts it for me. He didn't even have enough class to look OUTSIDE OF HIS OWN HOME to find his whore.

I am sorry for the innocent child who has been forced into the middle of this ugly story through no fault of his own. The people who made him should be ashamed of themselves. But I doubt they are, or ever will be.

Blondie in Spokane
07-02-2011, 12:32 AM
Maria Shriver filing for divorce from Arnold Schwarzenegger: report

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/maria_shriver_filing_for_divorce_Zjr5UUTH61WtUN2ns 6axlO#ixzz1Qv3Bs7en

DollyPardonMe
07-02-2011, 03:25 AM
Well, I see this thread has deteriorated into the ridiculous.

So what if the bimbo didn't TELL Arnold the child was his? Does that negate the fact that they were having an affair? No.

So what if Maria knew before the public knew? Does that negate the fact that her HUSBAND was having an affair right under her nose; in her OWN home? No.

And really, whose "dignity" is at stake here? Not Maria's!

She doesn't need Arnold's money - she has her own. Though I can't blame her for going for it. I assume they had a pre-nup.

She "wanted to be First Lady of California????" Really? Give me a break! What woman - particularly half of Hollywood/Washington, D.C. royalty - would truly WANT that? You DO know the state the state of California is in, right?

I'm really not sure how anyone could possibly spin this tragedy to Arnold's favor, but none of the above cuts it for me. He didn't even have enough class to look OUTSIDE OF HIS OWN HOME to find his whore.

I am sorry for the innocent child who has been forced into the middle of this ugly story through no fault of his own. The people who made him should be ashamed of themselves. But I doubt they are, or ever will be.

BBM
I find it funny the press hasn't made a big deal of Patty's last name meaning "whale" in Spanish!

2 percent
07-05-2011, 05:58 PM
Well, I see this thread has deteriorated into the ridiculous.

So what if Maria knew before the public knew? Does that negate the fact that her HUSBAND was having an affair right under her nose; in her OWN home? No.

And really, whose "dignity" is at stake here? Not Maria's!

She doesn't need Arnold's money - she has her own. Though I can't blame her for going for it. I assume they had a pre-nup.

She "wanted to be First Lady of California????" Really? Give me a break! What woman - particularly half of Hollywood/Washington, D.C. royalty - would truly WANT that? You DO know the state the state of California is in, right?

I'm really not sure how anyone could possibly spin this tragedy to Arnold's favor, but none of the above cuts it for me. He didn't even have enough class to look OUTSIDE OF HIS OWN HOME to find his whore.

I am sorry for the innocent child who has been forced into the middle of this ugly story through no fault of his own. The people who made him should be ashamed of themselves. But I doubt they are, or ever will be.

No, Maria knowing before it was revealed publicly doesn't negate the cheating. Nothing negates that and no one on this thread has even attempted to imply that Maria knowing negates the affair.
However, knowing and not revealing it or even leaving him means implicit consent. No getting around that.
Also knowing and not revealing it until it's advantageous to her alone means that she cares more about their public image (waiting until he was out of office) than any effect this had or has had on her children. So let's save the Mother Theresa award for someone else, huh?

As for dignity...no principles in this story have a shred left, including Maria - implied consent, not caring what this did or is doing to her own children, etc.

I'm a born and raised Californian and I know EXACTLY what being First Lady of California means. You are the First Lady of the state that is in the top ten of world exports, you have the most representatives in the federal government and you can heavily sway elections with your electoral votes. Just because California isn't great at balancing the books doesn't mean it isn't a powerful state, so give it a rest.
Plus, being from a political family, Maria would see any First Lady job as befitting to her background. Again, give it a rest.

This is important: Exactly who in this thread was trying to spin this in Arnold's favor? None that I've seen. Trying to knock Maria off that pedestal she's on and tarnishing the halo others have put on her is a more accurate portrayal of the efforts of those on this site. The chances the timing is a coincidence is just comical.

Fairy1
07-05-2011, 09:34 PM
No, Maria knowing before it was revealed publicly doesn't negate the cheating. Nothing negates that and no one on this thread has even attempted to imply that Maria knowing negates the affair.
However, knowing and not revealing it or even leaving him means implicit consent. No getting around that.
Also knowing and not revealing it until it's advantageous to her alone means that she cares more about their public image (waiting until he was out of office) than any effect this had or has had on her children. So let's save the Mother Theresa award for someone else, huh?

As for dignity...no principles in this story have a shred left, including Maria - implied consent, not caring what this did or is doing to her own children, etc.

I'm a born and raised Californian and I know EXACTLY what being First Lady of California means. You are the First Lady of the state that is in the top ten of world exports, you have the most representatives in the federal government and you can heavily sway elections with your electoral votes. Just because California isn't great at balancing the books doesn't mean it isn't a powerful state, so give it a rest.
Plus, being from a political family, Maria would see any First Lady job as befitting to her background. Again, give it a rest.

This is important: Exactly who in this thread was trying to spin this in Arnold's favor? None that I've seen. Trying to knock Maria off that pedestal she's on and tarnishing the halo others have put on her is a more accurate portrayal of the efforts of those on this site. The chances the timing is a coincidence is just comical.

Why does it matter when Maria found out? Implied consent? Are you kidding? She has a right to protect her own image and her own children before allowing the world to know her husband/their father is a POS.

Maria didn't need to be First Lady of California. She had a career in journalism - NOT politics - before she decided to stand by her man (and I use that term quite loosely) and put her own career on hold. I have never viewed her as having a "halo," but I do find her to be a positive role model for young women.

Now then, should it ever come out that she was having her way with the pool boy, I would have to rethink my position. Somehow, I just don't see that happening!

2 percent
07-10-2011, 09:41 PM
Why does it matter when Maria found out? Implied consent? Are you kidding? She has a right to protect her own image and her own children before allowing the world to know her husband/their father is a POS.

Maria didn't need to be First Lady of California. She had a career in journalism - NOT politics - before she decided to stand by her man (and I use that term quite loosely) and put her own career on hold. I have never viewed her as having a "halo," but I do find her to be a positive role model for young women.

Now then, should it ever come out that she was having her way with the pool boy, I would have to rethink my position. Somehow, I just don't see that happening!

If she wanted to protect her kids why reveal it AT ALL?! Ridiculous circular logic. And don't bother trying to say the release of this information wasn't orchestrated by her, it's Kennedyesque in nature.

This has nothing to do with Maria's career, wasn't even brought up. I clearly said the political position reflected her families tendencies, not her career ambitions.
The subject was being First Lady and the implication that being First Lady of California wasn't such a great position because of California's debt problems...which is utter nonsense! It's a powerful state economically and politically.
As for a role model, what exactly makes her role noteworthy? I can think of several others I'd support as role models before her.

Fairy1
07-12-2011, 12:38 AM
If she wanted to protect her kids why reveal it AT ALL?! Ridiculous circular logic. And don't bother trying to say the release of this information wasn't orchestrated by her, it's Kennedyesque in nature.

This has nothing to do with Maria's career, wasn't even brought up. I clearly said the political position reflected her families tendencies, not her career ambitions.
The subject was being First Lady and the implication that being First Lady of California wasn't such a great position because of California's debt problems...which is utter nonsense! It's a powerful state economically and politically.
As for a role model, what exactly makes her role noteworthy? I can think of several others I'd support as role models before her.

We'll simply have to agree to disagree on this disgusting example of human nature.

I'm not about to get on the Maria-bashing train and you're, clearly, not about to get off of it.

No doubt in MY mind who's going to come out of this smelling like a rose.

:truce:

Emma Peel
07-12-2011, 01:17 AM
No, Maria knowing before it was revealed publicly doesn't negate the cheating. Nothing negates that and no one on this thread has even attempted to imply that Maria knowing negates the affair.
However, knowing and not revealing it or even leaving him means implicit consent. No getting around that.
Also knowing and not revealing it until it's advantageous to her alone means that she cares more about their public image (waiting until he was out of office) than any effect this had or has had on her children. So let's save the Mother Theresa award for someone else, huh?

As for dignity...no principles in this story have a shred left, including Maria - implied consent, not caring what this did or is doing to her own children, etc.

I'm a born and raised Californian and I know EXACTLY what being First Lady of California means. You are the First Lady of the state that is in the top ten of world exports, you have the most representatives in the federal government and you can heavily sway elections with your electoral votes. Just because California isn't great at balancing the books doesn't mean it isn't a powerful state, so give it a rest.
Plus, being from a political family, Maria would see any First Lady job as befitting to her background. Again, give it a rest.

This is important: Exactly who in this thread was trying to spin this in Arnold's favor? None that I've seen. Trying to knock Maria off that pedestal she's on and tarnishing the halo others have put on her is a more accurate portrayal of the efforts of those on this site. The chances the timing is a coincidence is just comical.

BBM
"A more accurate portrayal?"

Some may question the "accuracy" of this "Maria Shriver halo-tarnishing" commentary.

Okay, I'll just question it myself - based on recent news reporting. ;)

Baena backs up Maria on timing of Maria's knowledge of the betrayal.
Arnold backs up Maria on timing of Maria's knowledge.

If you've got some alternate "informed Maria" timing evidence to enlighten us with - please bring it to the thread - feel free to link it here.

IMO, many here would be interested.

2 percent
07-13-2011, 02:53 PM
We'll simply have to agree to disagree on this disgusting example of human nature.

I'm not about to get on the Maria-bashing train and you're, clearly, not about to get off of it.

No doubt in MY mind who's going to come out of this smelling like a rose.

:truce:

I'm not bashing Maria at all, I'm presenting a truer picture of her than anyone here who is lamenting what this is doing to the children. If Maria gave a dang about her children she wouldn't have publicized the divorce and certainly didn't need to provide a reason. Arnold wasn't thinking of his kids when he had the affair and Maria wasn't thinking of them when she publicized it
.
Do you really think Maria suddenly found out about this love child and it was a coincidence the story was revealed right after Arnold leaves the governorship, when she's seeking a divorce? If you do, you're incredibly naive.

I couldn't care less about Maria - never liked her much, mostly because of her family, but never disliked her either. The wounded wife thing is being orchestrated and played out like theater and I'm not going to blindly sit in the audience without making note of some questionable moves on Maria's side of this.

2 percent
07-13-2011, 03:13 PM
BBM
"A more accurate portrayal?"

Some may question the "accuracy" of this "Maria Shriver halo-tarnishing" commentary.

Okay, I'll just question it myself - based on recent news reporting. ;)

Baena backs up Maria on timing of Maria's knowledge of the betrayal.
Arnold backs up Maria on timing of Maria's knowledge.

If you've got some alternate "informed Maria" timing evidence to enlighten us with - please bring it to the thread - feel free to link it here.

IMO, many here would be interested.

Well...as long as Arnold and the mistress say it, it must be true...they haven't lied about anything yet...:waitasec:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/maria-shriver-knew-years-ted-kennedy-hushed-her

Lanie
07-14-2011, 08:26 AM
We'll simply have to agree to disagree on this disgusting example of human nature.

I'm not about to get on the Maria-bashing train and you're, clearly, not about to get off of it.

No doubt in MY mind who's going to come out of this smelling like a rose.

:truce:

Well, dontcha know, when someone is cheated on (IMO, especially when it is a woman) the cheated-upon is supposed to feel guilty, they are supposed to blame themselves, they are supposed to beat themselves up over what they did wrong, and of course, they are supposed to feel massive amounts of shame.

Every action they take is supposed to be geared towards thinking of everyone but themselves. If they take a toe off the 'high road', well, they only get what they deserve.

I don't know why anyone would expect Maria Shriver to be treated any differently than Elizabeth Edwards. :banghead:

Blondie in Spokane
09-23-2012, 03:27 AM
Arnold Schwarzenegger reveals how wife Maria Shriver confronted him about love child in new tell-all book


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/arnold-schwarzenegger-reveals-wife-maria-shriver-confronted-love-child-new-tell-all-book-article-1.1165667#ixzz27H9L5yss