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Gma Kat
05-12-2011, 10:15 AM
It sounds like an anxiety attack to me also. I agree with catnron that she is institutionalized. The new surroundings, probably indifferent treatment by jail staff (remember she had the last staff wrapped around her pretty little finger?) the reality of having potential juror after juror say they already determined she was guilty.....the list goes on.....this truly could be the 'ol subconscious bubblin' up to show us how ICA handles reality......she can't....she never has..........and this is what happens when it is forced upon her. Yep, I see more than one A breakdown during this trial.....

bananarama
05-12-2011, 10:36 AM
I'm also of the opinion it was not an act. Finally, the harsh reality of what she has done is sinking in. I don't see how she's going to make it thru trial. Would not be surprised to hear of a plea at the 11th hour.

doogiesgirl
05-12-2011, 11:10 AM
Well I don't see any shallow breathing but the color of her hands is strange. And she looks alittle green around the gills. My personal opinion is that she is struggling under the constraint of it all. She looks more angry than anything else to me??

:cow:

Kat
05-12-2011, 12:38 PM
Her airway is clear and she's breathing. She's conscious and alert. There are no signs of bleeding or blood loss. She can self ambulate. After her dramatic escort out of the courtroom, she's attended to by her lawyer, not medical personnel and is deemed fit to return to court.
Such a dramatic medical emergency. Makes you wonder how the family reacted when she started to grow a huge abdominal tumor. Oh wait, they ignored it. :)

:clap: wonderful observation.

Misfitdolly
05-12-2011, 12:59 PM
I have secondary Raynaud's caused by a rare immune system disease. It is my understanding through research that my personal experience with the disease is common in that only the digits are involved ~ not the entire hand or foot. If her whole hand was involved it would be quite rare. It appeared to me that she was indicating that her hand (as she was showing her palms) was what was bothering her.

In a serious flare, my finger (or several fingers) will first turn white then a deep, deep purple. That's when it's painful. You can even see a distinctive line, usually for me at the second joint, where it changes dramatically from normal color to the white or purple.

So based on my years of personal experience and diligent researching for relief, I would be surprised if Casey has Raynaud's. If she does, it's certainly an atypical presentation.

My son and father both have their whole hands involved each time. The cut-off is the wrist. The pedi rheumatologist said that it is better that the cut-off is the wrist, if it's only certain fingers or just halfway down the fingers it is more concerning. My son's hands are affected with discoloration 90% of the time but there are worsening symptoms (pain) at various times such as being outside in the cold or under stress.

ETA: my son's seems to be opposite yours. His are purple/red most of the time and only turn white if he has had a severe episode, they turn white after he warms them up.

lonetraveler
05-12-2011, 01:03 PM
Jean C. was just on PrimeNews, HLN, describing the incident. She said Casey's hands 'would not move.' And the guards were surrounding her, trying to help and they escorted her out of the room.

I know that anxiety attacks make your hands go numb and they feel paralyzed.

SHE IS BACK IN THE COURT!

Just guessing here but maybe "Carpal Tunnel Syndrone" from repeated hand movements while primping her hair! :crazy:

dodie20
05-12-2011, 02:15 PM
I don't think she's acting and expect some more of these attacks. I used to have horrible anxiety attacks, but they were always brought on by the fear of the unknown. She has had a long time to prepare and should be ready for this. This makes me think she has insulated herself from everything but her own little world...where she's in charge. oh well, harsh reality sets in.

SummerRaye
05-12-2011, 04:47 PM
CHLOROFORM will sooth and calm all the anxiety she is suffering.

Ha. And I agree.

I have recently come down with some social anxiety. Just moved to a new state (DH is a military dude and we move all the time), I've gained a ton of weight and for some reason, answering the phone and going over to meet new people and even THINKING about starting over has me pretty much sandbagged. To top it all off with finding another doctor to help me out with this new problem on top of being a successful bi-polar sufferer has really caused me to feel comfy in my home, my home alone with the doggies.

I get numb, tingly and do exactly what some of you guys have mentioned earlier...pick at my skin/head and really zone out to the point of almost forgetting to breathe at times.

But you know what? Life still has to go on. Sure, I've got work to do to find a doc, find a job, find some friends...but before that big stuff happens? I have to eat, have to take care of the poopsters, maintain a house and talk and inquire about my family (especially right now cause my little brother is going through some major legal problems that have taken over our family...)

This isn't a pity party on me...but LIFE STILL HAS TO GO ON. Anxiety or not. I have to go tot he grocery store to get foods for me and the poopster and The Soldier when he is here...and as much as that leaves me scared and nervous and maybe short on breath? I STILL HAVE TO DO IT. Meds or not.

So she can have a panic attack. Real or faked. But she is still gonna have to do this. Face this...guilty or not. All of us that suffer from anxiety, whether it be large or small scaled, have to go on with life, small steps, big steps preventative steps...whatever. WE HAVE TO GO ON WITH WHATEVER LIFE GIVES US...ON A DAILY BASIS.

It sucks to have anxiety. It's horrible and for those of you who suffer, I applaud you for speaking out about it, telling everyone what it does to you an how you deal with it. Not only does WS figure out the horrible details of crimes and guilty/non guilty people and find missing people...we learn so much from eachother...so much. Anxiety is a super real thing...detrimental to a lot of people.

So, Ms. Anthony can have her panic attack and deal with it the way everyone else deals with it. Face life. This is something she isn't going to get out of...

JMOO...I spoke too long, sorry!!!

PAXIMUS
05-12-2011, 07:05 PM
I don't understand all of this because I'm learning about pathology of personalities by reading books that were given to me as suggested reading (long story won't derail this thread with explanation-but I'm not the one with a disorder)

And sociopathy is on a spectrum too and there are primary and secondary diagnosis.

Secondary sociopaths can and do feel anxiety in particular situations.

Perhaps we can get someone to explain that and if it's possible that this is what is going on with KC today given the assumption that is her diagnosis.

Primary: KC is creating attention for herself thereby gaining a bit of control.

Secondary: She has anxiety because she is not in control and can't figure out how to take control. (have a look at her face after JP ate the juror up who approached a IS producer earlier today, she looked like she was stumped as to how tough he was, kind of like in her recent mug shot--almost scared).

all jmho

Read anything in your books about people who take pleasure in the suffering of others?

MaryAnn
05-12-2011, 07:26 PM
Boy that AF certainly knows how to deliver her signature "death ray" stare, doesn't she?!

I think she was giving the camera a dirty look. Yikes!!! I hope she doesn't scare the jurors

Kat
05-12-2011, 07:43 PM
Read anything in your books about people who take pleasure in the suffering of others?

No none of the books I was referred to read covered sadism. I'm not sure I want to delve into the psychology even in layman's terms of sadism. JMHO

butwhatif?
05-12-2011, 08:39 PM
ETA: I believe the term for self soothing behaviors which are repetetive, sort of like a tic, is called "stimming", for stimulating themselves. Read up on it on Google if you'd like. It's seen in mental issues. Some autistic children have it, for one. They will repeat one gesture over and over, like beating a hand on a table constantly, etc.


RSBM
What's interesting to note is that ICA didn't appear to have any of these stimming behaviours prior to being faced with sitting in the courtroom.

Besides OCD, PDD's/ ASD's, and Tourettes- there is another cause of these repetitive movements- which could be very deliberate for visual 'proof' of a possible defense. ( more spaghetti to throw at the wall)

Focal (or simple/complex) seizures can cause these automatisms and generally when these repetitive movements are present it indicates a 'complex' seizure which is considered an altered state of consciousness, which can result in memory loss . (which would be very convenient for ICA to explain away many negative behaviours)
A clear EEG does not and cannot rule out this seizure disorder, which is why these repetitive actions would be useful for a jury to see from the defendant from a defense POV.
Jacksonian seizures are included in simple/complex (focal) seizures which often result in weakness/tingling numbness and muscle spasms/contractions often starting in the hands.
These Jacksonian seizures only last a short time,which would explain her swift recovery.
Note: I'm not saying that I believe she has this disorder, just that it could possibly be a ploy used by ICA and co, when taking into account the alleged seizure she had while with JG.

JMO

justthinkin
05-12-2011, 09:33 PM
I was out of pocket today, babysitting my granddaughter, and did not get to see today's proceedings. Did see the short video of ICA leaving the courtroom, clutching her right arm, and then reentering the courtroom, clutching her left arm.

Was she having problems with both arms or just one? I had gathered it was only one. If one, then that girl sure has a short attention span, and couldn't remember which arm was supposed to be hurting. Why am I thinking that's probably the case? Hmmm. Mainly because liars tend to trip themselves up if given enough opportunity.

BetteDavisEyes
05-12-2011, 09:41 PM
Her airway is clear and she's breathing. She's conscious and alert. There are no signs of bleeding or blood loss. She can self ambulate. After her dramatic escort out of the courtroom, she's attended to by her lawyer, not medical personnel and is deemed fit to return to court.
Such a dramatic medical emergency. Makes you wonder how the family reacted when she started to grow a huge abdominal tumor. Oh wait, they ignored it. :)

Especially when Cindy - a nurse of decomposition - was Casey's mother ;)

justthinkin
05-12-2011, 09:44 PM
No none of the books I was referred to read covered sadism. I'm not sure I want to delve into the psychology even in layman's terms of sadism. JMHO

Kat,

Actually psychopaths or sociopaths generally take pleasure in the suffering of others. That's one of the things that sets them apart from us normals. They are sadistic by nature. To what extreme they carry it out depends on where they are on the scale.

Just my lay person's opinion.

azwriter
05-12-2011, 11:23 PM
Ha. And I agree.

I have recently come down with some social anxiety. Just moved to a new state (DH is a military dude and we move all the time), I've gained a ton of weight and for some reason, answering the phone and going over to meet new people and even THINKING about starting over has me pretty much sandbagged. To top it all off with finding another doctor to help me out with this new problem on top of being a successful bi-polar sufferer has really caused me to feel comfy in my home, my home alone with the doggies.

I get numb, tingly and do exactly what some of you guys have mentioned earlier...pick at my skin/head and really zone out to the point of almost forgetting to breathe at times.

But you know what? Life still has to go on. Sure, I've got work to do to find a doc, find a job, find some friends...but before that big stuff happens? I have to eat, have to take care of the poopsters, maintain a house and talk and inquire about my family (especially right now cause my little brother is going through some major legal problems that have taken over our family...)

This isn't a pity party on me...but LIFE STILL HAS TO GO ON. Anxiety or not. I have to go tot he grocery store to get foods for me and the poopster and The Soldier when he is here...and as much as that leaves me scared and nervous and maybe short on breath? I STILL HAVE TO DO IT. Meds or not.

So she can have a panic attack. Real or faked. But she is still gonna have to do this. Face this...guilty or not. All of us that suffer from anxiety, whether it be large or small scaled, have to go on with life, small steps, big steps preventative steps...whatever. WE HAVE TO GO ON WITH WHATEVER LIFE GIVES US...ON A DAILY BASIS.

It sucks to have anxiety. It's horrible and for those of you who suffer, I applaud you for speaking out about it, telling everyone what it does to you an how you deal with it. Not only does WS figure out the horrible details of crimes and guilty/non guilty people and find missing people...we learn so much from eachother...so much. Anxiety is a super real thing...detrimental to a lot of people.

So, Ms. Anthony can have her panic attack and deal with it the way everyone else deals with it. Face life. This is something she isn't going to get out of...

JMOO...I spoke too long, sorry!!!

Summer Raye, thanks for speaking out. I love your attitude about your problems. You got spunk gal!

PAXIMUS
05-13-2011, 03:42 PM
No none of the books I was referred to read covered sadism. I'm not sure I want to delve into the psychology even in layman's terms of sadism. JMHO

Sadly I see a lot of it on these forums, a desire to hang the accused out to dry before they have even had their day in court.

beach
05-13-2011, 04:00 PM
Reminder -

The topic of this thread is KC sick - removed from court on 5/11/11.

BetteDavisEyes
05-13-2011, 04:47 PM
I realize that I'm much older than Casey, but when I sit for long periods of time, I tend to get numbness and tingling in my left arm/hand. I have slight lumbar scolisis that is a likely culprit, but sitting or standing for prolonged periods of time probably isn't good for anyone. Except for the fussing with her hair, clothes, etc., Casey doesn't move around a lot in her chair. Sometimes she doesn't even move around during breaks. I wish someone on the DT would suggest that she move around a little or even do some bending and stretching so she doesn't have future episodes that might be caused by prolonged sitting. jmo