NY-Etan Patz missing since 1979

[Doyle]

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/7391.htm

[Doyle]

JUDGE DEALS BLOW TO ETAN SUSPECT
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/7661.htm

[Airplane]

Thanks for the updates on Etan Patz, Doyle. I appreciate it.

[Doyle]

Etan vanished during a two-block walk to his school bus on May 25, 1979, and later became the first missing child to be pictured on the side of a milk carton.

all about Etan Patz disappearance.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/etan_patz/

[Mom who cares]

Way to go, judge, let's give some closure to Etan's poor family.

[VespaElf]

Tonight,6/2/04 at 8 pm EST on 60 Minutes II they are doing on story on the Etan Patz case if anyone is interested.............

[tybee204]

02-08-2005, 11:56 AM
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Etan Patz Family Settlement

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I know we have an Etan thread here but I thought Id start off the new "Discussion" forum!





Judge orders inmate to pay $2 million to family of missing N.Y. boy



NEW YORK (AP) — An imprisoned child molester and former mental patient was ordered to pay $2 million to the family of a 6-year-old boy whose 1979 disappearance helped give rise to the national movement to publicize the cases of missing children.

The judge who ordered Jose R. Ramos to pay the money also ruled in May 2004 that Ramos was responsible for Etan Patz' death after the inmate ignored orders to answer deposition questions for a lawyer for the boy's parents.

Brian O'Dwyer, lawyer for Stanley and Julia Patz, had tried unsuccessfully to interview Ramos at the Pennsylvania prison where he is serving a 20-year sentence for sexually abusing an 8-year-old boy.

O'Dwyer said Ramos, who apparently has no assets, was saying he planned to sell his story.........................................
http://courttv.com/news/2005/0208/missing_ap.html




This scumbag REALLY does have a mental problem if he thinks anyone would buy his story or care to read it!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope the settlement gives some comfort to the Patz family.I know in the Etan thread I detailed a recent TV appearance by Mr.Patz and I know theres no such thing as closure but I pray this offers something to them.
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#2 02-08-2005, 12:58 PM
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I know the money wont help ease the pain on their sons dissappearance but the ruling may keep this dirtbag from selling his story. Im sure his story will tell how he was wrongley accused and he just loves children and is so hurt over all of this and would never hurt a child. Im sure now some criminal rights group will come to his aid so he can make a buck off of his story. Im sorry to be so angry but how dare he think of selling his story for money. As if he was a victim. The only victims are the kids he hurt and killed and their families who will never truly heal.

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#3 02-09-2005, 08:41 AM
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Theres a very famous case over here in the UK with a smilar vein actually. Mary Bell murdered a child when she was 10 (I think) and served her jail time. She was then rehoused and given a new identity and a gag was put on the tabloids to prevent them from revealing what it was..........

A year or so ago some tabloid newspapers took her to court again to fight for the right to reveal her new identity to the public. They claimed that since she had violated her own gagging order by seling her story to an author, then any previous ruling would not stand.

However she was granted anonimity again for an interesting reason. She now has a child of her own, who until the recent fuss, had no idea of her mothers real identity. The courts ruled that this child had a right to privacy, no matter how Mary chose to sell her story...........


I found these articles... http://www.guardian.co.uk/child/sto...,960690,00.html

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorio...ll/index_1.html

Its a very interesting argument. Ask any British adult who Mary Bell is and they will know her name. But the scary thing is she could live right next door to me.

WARNING- the second of these articles is very upsetting and graphic

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#4 02-09-2005, 08:49 AM
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OOhhh Emma thank you for the links!
I don't know much about Mary Bell but have heard her name brought up when James Bulger is mentioned.


I find U.K law so confusing !
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#5 02-09-2005, 12:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emma l
Theres a very famous case over here in the UK with a smilar vein actually. Mary Bell murdered a child when she was 10 (I think) and served her jail time. She was then rehoused and given a new identity and a gag was put on the tabloids to prevent them from revealing what it was..........

A year or so ago some tabloid newspapers took her to court again to fight for the right to reveal her new identity to the public. They claimed that since she had violated her own gagging order by seling her story to an author, then any previous ruling would not stand.

However she was granted anonimity again for an interesting reason. She now has a child of her own, who until the recent fuss, had no idea of her mothers real identity. The courts ruled that this child had a right to privacy, no matter how Mary chose to sell her story...........


I found these articles... http://www.guardian.co.uk/child/sto...,960690,00.html

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorio...ll/index_1.html

Its a very interesting argument. Ask any British adult who Mary Bell is and they will know her name. But the scary thing is she could live right next door to me.

WARNING- the second of these articles is very upsetting and graphic



That one is a true sociopath. I doubt that she has changed.
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#6 02-10-2005, 09:16 PM
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`The Rabbi who performed my marriage ceremony is/was Etan Patz uncle. Rabbi Patz is actually my sister-in-law's rabbi and she says he never discusses the case. I think the family has been so traumatized that it's as if the disappearance/murder happened yesterday instead of 20 years ago. I don't blame them. I don't think you can ever get over an experience like that.



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I know we have an Etan thread here but I thought Id start off the new "Discussion" forum!





Judge orders inmate to pay $2 million to family of missing N.Y. boy



NEW YORK (AP) — An imprisoned child molester and former mental patient was ordered to pay $2 million to the family of a 6-year-old boy whose 1979 disappearance helped give rise to the national movement to publicize the cases of missing children.

The judge who ordered Jose R. Ramos to pay the money also ruled in May 2004 that Ramos was responsible for Etan Patz' death after the inmate ignored orders to answer deposition questions for a lawyer for the boy's parents.

Brian O'Dwyer, lawyer for Stanley and Julia Patz, had tried unsuccessfully to interview Ramos at the Pennsylvania prison where he is serving a 20-year sentence for sexually abusing an 8-year-old boy.

O'Dwyer said Ramos, who apparently has no assets, was saying he planned to sell his story.........................................
http://courttv.com/news/2005/0208/missing_ap.html




This scumbag REALLY does have a mental problem if he thinks anyone would buy his story or care to read it!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope the settlement gives some comfort to the Patz family.I know in the Etan thread I detailed a recent TV appearance by Mr.Patz and I know theres no such thing as closure but I pray this offers something to them.


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#7 02-17-2005, 12:52 PM
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No, you can't. Having a missing loved one has got to be one of the worst things in the world. If they died, at least you could bury them and mourn them and get on with your life. But if they're missing and you don't know what happened to them, you're forever left hanging.

I don't have any experience with a missing loved one, thank goodness, but the closest I can come to it is when a good friend of mine became very ill and they weren't sure if he was going to make it. I spent a week with a perpetual stomachache, worried sick about him. Then I found out that he was going to die. And, strangely, I felt better, because now at least I knew what to expect. Knowledge, even dreadful knowledge, is better than uncertainty. My friend did die a few days later and I'm glad it at least didn't take me by surprise.

Jose Ramos will probably never be able to pay the money -- he's broke. But the symbolism is important I think.
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[AmandaBrown23]

I wish this family could know what happened. I dont believe this dirt bag let him go like he said.

[HesterMofet]

I wish this family could know what happened. I dont believe this dirt bag let him go like he said.

I don't, either. I am sorry to say this, but I think the most likely thing to have happened is that he raped and killed Etan and then threw him in the garbage. I believe the garbage from NYC was taken out to sea. The perp knows the body will never be found.

I so feel for Etan's parents, they deserve to know the truth.

[defender123]

I don't, either. I am sorry to say this, but I think the most likely thing to have happened is that he raped and killed Etan and then threw him in the garbage. I believe the garbage from NYC was taken out to sea. The perp knows the body will never be found.

I so feel for Etan's parents, they deserve to know the truth.

Just watched the special and a cellie said more than likely he put him in a furnace in the apt. building that the perp lived in. Sorry to write that.

[HesterMofet]

Just watched the special and a cellie said more than likely he put him in a furnace in the apt. building that the perp lived in. Sorry to write that.



Yeah, I made my comment before I watched the show. How sad. Yes, he is probably long gone, but if the perp would just come out and tell the truth at least the Patzes would know for sure.

[dearmont]

I just finished Lisa's new book on Etan - recommend anyone interested in this case to get a copy. I have my doubts that Ramos killed Etan.

[pittsburghgirl]

It would be a very big coincidence if Ramos wasn't the killer:
1) Ramos is a sex offender against children with a provable record of interest in boys that age.
2) He was "dating" the woman hired to walk Etan and the neighbor kids home during a 6-week bus strike.
3) Etan disappeared during a two-block walk to the school bus stop--on the first day he was allowed to walk to the bus by himself.

[Lisa R. Cohen]

Hello,

I'm the author of the recently released "AFTER ETAN: The Missing Child Case That Held America Captive" (Grand Central, May 2009). This is the first book ever in thirty years on the case. I'm a former "60 Minutes" producer - I did all the longform television coverage on the Patz case, including the only interview ever with Jose Ramos, the man found responsible for Etan's death.

To finally tell this story, I had complete access and authorization from the very private Patz family, the investigators, and almost everyone else who covered the case. I can finally tell about how the Patz family endured a parent's worst nightmare, then the crazies and the psychics and the hate mail (!); the prosecutor who escaped near death and pursued his suspect out of jurisdiction to finally lock him away…for a DIFFERENT child molestation; the undercover operation behind prison walls where the serial pedophile finally spilled his guts - twists and turns that took the whole thirty years to unravel. It's one of the greatest detective thriller's I've ever heard, and it's all true. AND it's still going on.

As Ernie Allen, the head of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told me, it’s also an important story, about the birth of a movement. PLUS a mobilized public opinion could keep the bad guy behind bars – after more than two decades in prison, he's getting out in three years. As the book explains, he's never been criminally charged for this, even though a civil judge found him responsible for Etan's death. That could change this fallo with a new New York DA, and one of the candidates, a tough woman named Leslie Crocker Snyder, wants to take the case on.

This book lays out the evidence, and the case, for the first time. Read the book and you can make up your mind for yourself, but it will answer so many questions I see on this forum and that people have been asking me throughout the 20 years I've covered this case.

see http://afteretan.com for more info or go to http://tinyurl.com/dzvslc to buy the book on Amazon.

Thanks for your attention to this important case,

Lisa R. Cohen

[Lisa R. Cohen]

I just finished Lisa's new book on Etan - recommend anyone interested in this case to get a copy. I have my doubts that Ramos killed Etan.

I'm curious as to what your doubts are.

Thanks,

Lisa R. Cohen

[Kat]

I'm going to purchase a copy myself. I'll revisit this thread once I have read it.

[pittsburghgirl]

As Ernie Allen, the head of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told me, [After Etan is] also an important story, about the birth of a movement. PLUS a mobilized public opinion could keep the bad guy behind bars – after more than two decades in prison, he's getting out in three years. As the book explains, he's never been criminally charged for this, even though a civil judge found him responsible for Etan's death. That could change this fallo with a new New York DA, and one of the candidates, a tough woman named Leslie Crocker Snyder, wants to take the case on.

This book lays out the evidence, and the case, for the first time. Read the book and you can make up your mind for yourself, but it will answer so many questions I see on this forum and that people have been asking me throughout the 20 years I've covered this case.


Lisa,

Thanks so much for posting on WS regarding both Etan's murder and your book. I read the book as soon as it came out and finished convinced that Ramos is Etan's killer. Stuart GraBois is a most impressive man, and although prosecutors can become fixated on the wrong suspect, the story as you present it makes a powerful argument, and one that should be heard by a jury. As you say, the book also serves to lay out the circumstances that led to the whole movement to expedite searches for missing children, use national resources in those searches, and keep even long-missing children in the public eye. In that sense, WS itself is a response to what happened to Etan and the tenacity of the people who have searched for him and his abductor.

It's a wonderful book.