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Leomoon80
06-03-2011, 02:09 PM
It's taken me time to separate emotion but now I also think that ICA is mentally ill. Just throwing my :twocents: in. :)

I also agree being mentally ill does not excuse what was done to Caylee.

It would be easy to let emotions overcome us in such a horrendous event as the loss of a child such as in this case.

Since CA has Neptune at apex of the KITE formation, and Neptune is often about fantasies (she is a Pisces afterall, the Sun sign ruled by Neptune)
I believe her fantasies were created by a mind that went overboard in overtime, (Jupiter is part of this Kite and Jupiter was the older ruler of Pisces from before Neptune was discovered ) and therefore, these energies represented by the Kite, become part of her mental health issues (the foundation for which we may never know and certainly cannot agree upon being they are not provable at this point)

Cayley A. cannot be helped in the physical plane now, but Casey can be, possibly.


Cayley's chart was very difficult and I don't think there is one Astrologer here who would find fault with this statement, yet the one who ended that life and effectively that chart is the depiction of that short life, cannot serve Cayley by ending another one as well.

Perhaps if I am correct afterall about Ceres and the running theme through the lives of the family Cayley was a catalyst for the lessons that Ceres attempts to teach. That of nurture and being nutured properly.



IMO.

Paulette
06-03-2011, 02:36 PM
Arabic Part of Retribution & Retaliation: Asc + Sun - Mars

This occurs. There isn't anything (in this imperfect world) that we mortals can do about it. As soon as you're born, it clicks into your life - along with all the other Arabic Parts & Midpoint points that apply to each and every one of us.

KC won't be singled out by the universe unfairly - it was written when she was born - if you do this or that, you will incur this benefit/wrath.

I have experience the part of R&R. It was exact to the minute.

coastal
06-04-2011, 10:57 AM
...
Cayley A. cannot be helped in the physical plane now, but Casey can be, possibly.

>>>snip...<<<

[/B] Cayley was a catalyst for the lessons that Ceres attempts to teach. That of nurture and being nutured properly.

Respectfully snipped, Leomoon80, because the thanks button wasn't enough thanks for these ideas. Casey makes me so mad smoke comes out my ears, and so sad I find myself weeping for her lost potential, for her...emptiness. Then I hear Caylee's sweet voice, so new and already so full of love, and there I go, mad as hell again, only now I hate myself for forgetting to listen to the lesson she is living for us all, and loving first.

Sigh. It's crazy-making, the whole thing, including the astrology (and I mean that in the nicest way :angel:) which is why I wanted to say thank you so much to all of you who help us try to understand these people and these things. I don't know that I would be making the effort, honestly, without the conversations that happen within this these few threads; life is short, and there are surely better ways to live it than falling into Court TV, and yet...here I am. Here you are, and I am learning and growing every day. Thanks for that.

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Leomoon80
06-04-2011, 12:56 PM
Respectfully snipped, Leomoon80, because the thanks button wasn't enough thanks for these ideas. Casey makes me so mad smoke comes out my ears, and so sad I find myself weeping for her lost potential, for her...emptiness. Then I hear Caylee's sweet voice, so new and already so full of love, and there I go, mad as hell again, only now I hate myself for forgetting to listen to the lesson she is living for us all, and loving first.

Sigh. It's crazy-making, the whole thing, including the astrology (and I mean that in the nicest way :angel:) which is why I wanted to say thank you so much to all of you who help us try to understand these people and these things. I don't know that I would be making the effort, honestly, without the conversations that happen within this these few threads; life is short, and there are surely better ways to live it than falling into Court TV, and yet...here I am. Here you are, and I am learning and growing every day. Thanks for that.

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How kind you are coastal, thank you so much.

After reading on and on various threads here and there are so many of them on the other WS forums now some with timed events to chart , I do agree that CA has serious issues with narcissism tendencies and her manic episodes, yet the Fantasy life found in the astrology's KITE formation , is what I'm trying to understand by honing in on astrologically.

I know people who mimic the same type of personality disorders that the forum threads speak of which are evident of course, narcissist and the (pathological lying at least is a very negative Neptune negative trait) for the Apex of that Kite.

However, neither of these two I'm thinking of, have a vivid fantasy life complete with 20 people or more and making up stories as though they are true to life events as a way of life.

Many people say these personality disorders are for life and not treatable as an integral part of one's personality, but I'm just not as convinced as they are of this, in light of the fantasy world she engages seemingly, to disassociate from the reality around her.

katydid23
06-04-2011, 01:14 PM
After reading on and on various threads here and there are so many of them on the other WS forums now some with timed events to chart , I do agree that CA has serious issues with narcissism tendencies and her manic episodes, yet the Fantasy life found in the astrology's KITE formation , is what I'm trying to understand by honing in on astrologically.

I know people who mimic the same type of personality disorders that the forum threads speak of which are evident of course, narcissist and the (pathological lying at least is a very negative Neptune negative trait) for the Apex of that Kite.

However, neither of these two I'm thinking of, have a vivid fantasy life complete with 20 people or more and making up stories as though they are true to life events as a way of life.

Many people say these personality disorders are for life and not treatable as an integral part of one's personality, but I'm just not as convinced as they are of this, in light of the fantasy world she engages seemingly, to disassociate from the reality around her.


I am not certain that she actually 'lived' this fantasy life or believed this fantasy life at all.

Her Pisces stellium of Sun, Mercury retro, and Jupiter gave her a wild imagination. But those intense squares from Mars, Uranus and Neptune forced her to deal with an intrusive reality. I do not believe she lived in her fantasies, I believe she used them to hide her reality. imoo

Her kite helped blow things out of proportion and things got out of control. But she never believed in those fantasies as being real, she believed in them as ways to cover up her actions and her behavior from others. She was cunning, and devious imo. The grand trine in her kite is in the water element.
It was her DESIRES that propelled that kite, not her fantasies. She wanted to fulfill her urges and desires, which were indicated by Moon, Pluto and Jupiter. She was passionate and loved to be in love,deeply in love. Her emotional relationships took control of her life and as the kiter soared, they swept her away.

momshrink
06-04-2011, 01:36 PM
I am not certain that she actually 'lived' this fantasy life or believed this fantasy life at all.[B]

Her Pisces stellium of Sun, Mercury retro, and Jupiter gave her a wild imagination. But those intense squares from Mars, Uranus and Neptune forced her to deal with an intrusive reality. I do not believe she lived in her fantasies, I believe she used them to hide her reality. imoo

Her kite helped blow things out of proportion and things got out of control. But she never believed in those fantasies as being real, she believed in them as ways to cover up her actions and her behavior from others. She was cunning, and devious imo. The grand trine in her kite is in the water element.
It was her DESIRES that propelled that kite, not her fantasies. She wanted to fulfill her urges and desires, which were indicated by Moon, Pluto and Jupiter. She was passionate and loved to be in love,deeply in love. Her emotional relationships took control of her life and as the kiter soared, they swept her away.

I so agree with you. Excellent post!

Frigga
06-04-2011, 01:38 PM
I do believe what happened to Caylee was an act of premeditation by the defendant, however I think she is also very mentally ill.

I also agree with Katydid23 in terms of Casey's "lies" and "fantasy world", her lies served two purposes (IMO) the one that Katy mentioned covering her 'real' life from her parents, but also it allowed her to appear equal if not superior to her friends and acquaintances. That is a self serving and devious form of lying... not the "I live in a fantasy world because my real world is so heinous and abusive" type reason for lying!

The testimony of her long time best friend Ryan Paisley reinforces this when he said in his depositions and interviews that whenever he shared with Casey something he had accomplished or was proud of she always had to 'one-up' him- always. This kid knew her and cared about her for a long time and he knew (for the most part) when she did this, that she was lying.

Cindy said that their was always "some truth to Casey's lies" was taken the wrong way.

Leomoon80
06-04-2011, 01:46 PM
I suppose people can believe whatever they will , but ultimately it will be up to the Jury to decide.

Subjective opinions all, but the jury too will have their own subjective take on the whys and wherefores of all that has been posted.

To place the Fantasy World creations into the "I believe" category, is simply subjective to each of us.

The why of it , that is.

The Astrology natal chart for instance , the Kite and Neptune so very prominent in her natal chart, is impossible to say with 100% certainty, (and the DP must be 100% certainty)imo, or 100% agreeing to it,
For the astrological indicators:
Only that it's critical and crucial energy in her life that will be exhibited in a likely negative fashion, that Neptune shows (imo)

added: from Frigga (snipped) post:


I also think that when Cindy said that their was always "some truth to Casey's lies" was taken the wrong way.

VERY interesting Frigga! I did not know that the mother said this, for it points again to the family knowing all along, yet ignoring (for whatever personal reasons they may have had) this FACT,
which I underlined as fact, if so. A statement made by the mother herself.

momshrink
06-04-2011, 04:33 PM
This is such a thought provoking thread. As you know, I know nothing about astrology, but am fascinated by the interpretations of the charts here. It has been really interesting to learn that individuals can have the same things in their charts, but act differently - a postive way or a negative way. Maybe I am simplifying. Maybe I need to be corrected (on shaky ground here). I agree that we all have free will and make choices that determine our fate.
I do think we must be held accountable for our acts unless there is a diminished capacity wherein one does not understand right or wrong. I have felt all along that she would get LWOP. Based only on my intuitive feeling.

momshrink
06-04-2011, 04:36 PM
respectfully snipped
I suppose people can believe whatever they will , but ultimately it will be up to the Jury to decide.

Subjective opinions all, but the jury too will have their own subjective take on the whys and wherefores of all that has been posted.

To place the Fantasy World creations into the "I believe" category, is simply subjective to each of us.

The why of it , that is.

The Astrology natal chart for instance , the Kite and Neptune so very prominent in her natal chart, is impossible to say with 100% certainty, (and the DP must be 100% certainty)imo, or 100% agreeing to it,
For the astrological indicators:
Only that it's critical and crucial energy in her life that will be exhibited in a likely negative fashion, that Neptune shows (imo)



A thanks was just not enough. I appreciate your posts so much. Always so much to think about.

FifthEssence
06-04-2011, 05:58 PM
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Leomoon80
06-04-2011, 06:45 PM
Ref:
On the whole, everyone is pretty darn good at following the TOS and that makes my Mod job a lot easier. Occasionally a little reminder is necessary. Some may notice a portion of a post or a whole post has disappeared. Reason being, not ON TOPIC. Understand, I honestly don't have the free time to PM and explain why something was removed.

I don't mind not getting a PM, actually, I'd prefer it, lol.

I DO understand the work must be overwhelming sometimes, when a case such as this one gets so much traffic for a Moderator.

No problem here, any editing of my posts, I hardly notice anyway. Actually sometimes I think I'm far too verbose and that's always been a problem with my Venus in SAG and NN in Gemini so, edit away anything that doesn't belong of mine, no need to chat about it.

Leomoon.

katydid23
06-04-2011, 06:47 PM
This is such a thought provoking thread. As you know, I know nothing about astrology, but am fascinated by the interpretations of the charts here. It has been really interesting to learn that individuals can have the same things in their charts, but act differently - a postive way or a negative way. Maybe I am simplifying. Maybe I need to be corrected (on shaky ground here). I agree that we all have free will and make choices that determine our fate.
I do think we must be held accountable for our acts unless there is a diminished capacity wherein one does not understand right or wrong. I have felt all along that she would get LWOP. Based only on my intuitive feeling.

That is correct. People have free will at all times to decide which course of action to take to deal with their aspects, impulses. Someone with Casey's Pisces grouping of planets could choose to use that imagination in a more productive way. Maybe she did not like to be regimented or bored with routine so she could try a job that used her piscean artistic skills as she matured. Nothing in her chart forced her to steal and lie every day.

Something that is important to point out to the astrology students is the differences between 'natal' or birth charts and the use of 'event' charts. Birth charts are of people and so they have the added element of humanistic free will. We all need to take that into account. So I cannot look at a person's chart and say exactly what they will do in their life. Just what their inclinations, talents and weaknesses may be.

In an event or horary chart it is more definitive. And that is why astrologers who study the art of that type of astrology can be more exact about their predicted outcomes.

katydid23
06-04-2011, 09:12 PM
Arabic Part of Retribution & Retaliation: Asc + Sun - Mars

This occurs. There isn't anything (in this imperfect world) that we mortals can do about it. As soon as you're born, it clicks into your life - along with all the other Arabic Parts & Midpoint points that apply to each and every one of us.

KC won't be singled out by the universe unfairly - it was written when she was born - if you do this or that, you will incur this benefit/wrath.

I have experience the part of R&R. It was exact to the minute.

I see that you are really good at understanding the Arabic Parts. I have a question for you, or anyone who wants to add their input.

The chart for the Defense Opening Statement has the Part Of Fortune exactly conjunct the MC of the event chart. That really makes me nervous somehow.
I am wondering if you have any idea what that might indicate for their case.

The only thing I can think of is that they have a rare stroke of luck with the court somehow. Other than that...??????



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Leomoon80
06-04-2011, 10:04 PM
I see that you are really good at understanding the Arabic Parts. I have a question for you, or anyone who wants to add their input.

The chart for the Defense Opening Statement has the Part Of Fortune exactly conjunct the MC of the event chart. That really makes me nervous somehow.
I am wondering if you have any idea what that might indicate for their case.

The only thing I can think of is that they have a rare stroke of luck with the court somehow. Other than that...??????


I think the Defense Opening Statement Chart is rather dire for them because of the location of the POF and the Sun being conjunct the Angle (very important as you know), but in the locale of fixed stars in the Pleaides star constellation, called "The Weeping Sisters"

Any planets or in this case it's the Sun and POF in this constellation will not be well served for it's a known area for problems arising.

The Sun at 3Gemini is square the Descendent and Ascendent which really suggests, imo - that they lost before they began. For the Sun or vitality of this chart is hampered by it's square to both angles, and in particular, the D/C or 7th house "cusp of others", contains both Chiron (wounding) and the Moon (secondary or co-ruler of the event chart) with Mercury (ruler of the Chart) in the 9th in Taurus, having no essential dignity to help it along.

Mercury is in the 9th I see here as Judicial proceedings the Law or the Higher philosophy house, and is conj. to Venus which does have dignity in Taurus, but cancels out the good by it's conjunction to Mars in Detriment in the sign of Taurus (within 39minutes) and they both Quincunx (harsh aspect) Saturn which is exalted in Libra, in the 2nd house, the traditional house of values.


I don’t see this chart reflecting a benefit for the Defense.
It reflects the opposite, imo.

Here is an interesting mention of the Astronomy of the Pleiades I found on this site by Nancy Fenn, who does a lot of critical degree work:

http://www.bemyastrologer.com/constellationtaurus.html
(NOTE: when she says, "the Constellation of Taurus" that would still be in the tropical location of Gemini as shown on the Defense Opening Statement Chart
Sun & POF which moved into place in the tropical sign of Gemini. The tropical Zodiac is approx. 23 degrees ahead of the Sidereal Zodiac, due to the precession of the equinoxes. But it's the same here for all intent and purposes.



Astronomically speaking ... the Pleiades open cluster of stars is 10 million years old,(?) and is smaller and more compact than the Hyades cluster. It has not yet had time to dissipate as much as the Hyades. Over the years, the stars in the Pleiades will move farther and farther apart because the gravity within the cluster isn't strong enough to keep them in their original positions. One day in the far future, the Pleiades will be as spread out as the Hyades are now. There are many more than 7 stars now visible in the constellation with the naked eye.

Many a night I saw the Pleiades, rising thro' the mellow shade,
Glitter like a swarm of fireflies tangled in a silver braid.
by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Andromeda
06-04-2011, 11:17 PM
I am not certain that she actually 'lived' this fantasy life or believed this fantasy life at all.

Her kite helped blow things out of proportion and things got out of control. But she never believed in those fantasies as being real, she believed in them as ways to cover up her actions and her behavior from others. She was cunning, and devious imo. .

I'm not picking sides b/c all of our astros as phenomenal. Seriously. But I have to agree with Katy's quoted statement. For me, this basically sums up KC's "personality" and what motivate(s) her. She is cunning and (this) is how she goes about (it). jmo

Paulette
06-04-2011, 11:19 PM
The POF in Defense chart is 2:08 Gemini trine "Caylee" 2:12 Libra.

Moon 2:12 Pisces is quincunx "Caylee" 2:12 Libra.

I don't know what represents the jury? The Moon in the 6th house of duty. (?)

Funny this. "Jose" 29:46 Leo (12th house) opposes the Moon 2:12 Pisces (6th house).

I've never seen JB's chart, so I can't compare.

I just want to make clear that I'm not an astrologer by any stretch - just a wee bit of insight sometimes.

In KC's 2011 Solar Return, she has "Skuld" (things pertaining to the future) 29:11 Rx Leo, quincunx BML 29:35 Pisces and Sun 29 Pisces. Notice that in the Defense chart "Jose" has found that Leo spot. Regulus the Royal Star. Beware! If you abuse this position, be prepared to fall from grace.

katydid23
06-04-2011, 11:45 PM
The POF in Defense chart is 2:08 Gemini trine "Caylee" 2:12 Libra.

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That is good news. That leads me to believe that the Part of Fortune will be in harmony with Justice for Caylee. Thanks.

katydid23
06-05-2011, 12:09 AM
I think the Defense Opening Statement Chart is rather dire for them because of the location of the POF and the Sun being conjunct the Angle (very important as you know), but in the locale of fixed stars in the Pleaides star constellation, called "The Weeping Sisters"

Any planets or in this case it's the Sun and POF in this constellation will not be well served for it's a known area for problems arising.

The Sun at 3Gemini is square the Descendent and Ascendent which really suggests, imo - that they lost before they began. For the Sun or vitality of this chart is hampered by it's square to both angles, and in particular, the D/C or 7th house "cusp of others", contains both Chiron (wounding) and the Moon (secondary or co-ruler of the event chart) with Mercury (ruler of the Chart) in the 9th in Taurus, having no essential dignity to help it along.

Mercury is in the 9th I see here as Judicial proceedings the Law or the Higher philosophy house, and is conj. to Venus which does have dignity in Taurus, but cancels out the good by it's conjunction to Mars in Detriment in the sign of Taurus (within 39minutes) and they both Quincunx (harsh aspect) Saturn which is exalted in Libra, in the 2nd house, the traditional house of values.


I don’t see this chart reflecting a benefit for the Defense.
It reflects the opposite, imo.

Here is an interesting mention of the Astronomy of the Pleiades I found on this site by Nancy Fenn, who does a lot of critical degree work:

http://www.bemyastrologer.com/constellationtaurus.html
(NOTE: when she says, "the Constellation of Taurus" that would still be in the tropical location of Gemini as shown on the Defense Opening Statement Chart
Sun & POF which moved into place in the tropical sign of Gemini. The tropical Zodiac is approx. 23 degrees ahead of the Sidereal Zodiac, due to the precession of the equinoxes. But it's the same here for all intent and purposes.



Many a night I saw the Pleiades, rising thro' the mellow shade,
Glitter like a swarm of fireflies tangled in a silver braid.
by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Thank you for pointing out the Weeping Sisters. I don't usually work with the fixed stars that much so I overlooked that. Doesn't the Prosecution run into some of the same problems then since they have the Sun @ 3 Gemini as well?

As for the Sun squaring the Asc/Desx, I have usually seen that as a part of what comes with having a Sun in the tenth conjunct the MC. I see it as a positive thing quite often and very powerful. Can it be seen also as a strong competitor who never gives in ?

And the 7th house with the Moon and Chiron, in my opinion, it may actually describe the Prosecution team as well, as the 7th represents the opponent of the first, the Defense team. I think the Sun in the 10th is a pretty strong competitor for the Moon in the 7th in Pisces, with Chiron the wounded warrior nearby.

I agree that the Mercury has no essential dignity and is bogged down by the Venus/Mars conjunction. That conjunction is in an exact quincunx with Saturn, as you noted. But the Mercury, the ruler of the defense OS, is 3 degrees past the quincinx, so it might not have that bad an effect on their case. imoo

I agree that it is a difficult chart for the Defense team. I just wonder specifically what it will mean that the Part of Fortune is right atop the MC. I wonder because I see the top of the chart as the ultimate point of power and authority. I see it as the court, the judge, and his rulings. So I wondered if perhaps the POF there would be fortunate for the DT in some way. Could the judge rule in favor of the DT in a very big ruling perhaps?

p.s. I also have my Venus in Sag [@ 2,] so perhaps that is why we have such longwinded discussions? lol

FifthEssence
06-05-2011, 01:09 AM
Bringing this forward, post #46 by SOULSCAPE


We had been told in advance to expect 'shocking' revelations' from Defense at Casey Anthony's murder trial, revelations that would 'immediately' clarify what 'really happened.'

The chart produced shows 29 Libra on the 3rd House cusp, symbolizing the Statement itself. This suggests Defense is making an 'end of their rope,' last-ditch effort to save Casey's gluteus maximus. To paraphrase a comment I made upthread, the 29th degree of any sign is the End of the Train Ride.

Scorpio of sexual abuse is intercepted within the 3rd House of Statements, and wouldn't you know it, Defense spoke of secret/hidden (interception) sexual abuse, and deep, twisted family secrets (Scorpio).

Lord 3 of Statements VENUS and Lord Intercepted 3 of Statements MARS are partile conjunct at 10 Taurus in the 9th House of the Jury, putting the 'real story' (3rd House) directly in front of the Jurors. However, note well that VENUS partile conjunct MARS 10 Taurus are also partile inconjunct SATURN RX 10 Libra.

SATURN RX may signify (among other things) a dead (Rx) 5th House Child (Capricorn on 5th House cusp), a testimony fortified by SATURN's partile conjunction to the notorious Death Star VINDEMIATRIX 10 Libra, a.k.a. The Widowmaker & significator of death in the family.

The inconjunct from the 3rd House Words/Story/Statement Lords to Lord 5 the Child translates as a complete disconnect. Further, I see nothing in this chart to persuade me that Defense's 'story' may be true.

SOULSCAPE post #63

Here's another thing to consider:

Glance back at Defense Opening Statement chart and notice all four Angles are mutable.

Mutable = changeable, flexible, able to go this way or that.

That gives me the impression Defense will surely twist & turn and fine-tune (refine, adjust) their 'story' to their advantage all the way to closing argument --- a confirmation of the chart for the official opening of this trial. We posted the second opening chart --- that of the Prosecution Opening Statement. If we had posted the first chart, cast for the time Judge Belvin Perry officially called the court to order, you would observe that the first two charts reflect the same angle configuration: cardinal across the ASCENDANT/ DESCENDANT and mutable across the MIDHEAVEN/IC.

This suggests, as I indicated previously, a fast & furious start (cardinal) and many, many changes, twists & turns before coming to conclusion.

There is no doubt Defense will do anything and everything in its power as this trial continues to get at least one of those Jurors to drink the kool-aid.


Thanks,
Soulscape

katydid23
06-05-2011, 02:20 AM
Funny this. "Jose" 29:46 Leo (12th house) opposes the Moon 2:12 Pisces (6th house).

Notice that in the Defense chart "Jose" has found that Leo spot. Regulus the Royal Star. Beware! If you abuse this position, be prepared to fall from grace.
================================================Pa ulette==

Oh, I just now put this together. Thanks. So we can find Jose hanging in the 12th of the Defense Opening chart.

12th house contains " persons of doubtful character, crooks or tricksters." [ from Ebertin ]

And the only other thing that is @ 29 degrees is HADES @ 29 Gemini, which is sextiling. So apparently we can see where he is getting his help and support from.:angel:

Leomoon80
06-05-2011, 02:32 AM
Katydid: (snip from post)
Thank you for pointing out the Weeping Sisters. I don't usually work with the fixed stars that much so I overlooked that. Doesn't the Prosecution run into some of the same problems then since they have the Sun @ 3 Gemini as well?

As for the Sun squaring the Asc/Desx, I have usually seen that as a part of what comes with having a Sun in the tenth conjunct the MC. I see it as a positive thing quite often and very powerful. Can it be seen also as a strong competitor who never gives in ?

My take is that the Moon rules the Chart for the Prosecution's Opening Statement and therefore the lead indicator of the chart . Moon found in the 9th the house which is naturally ruled by Jupiter or the Law. The Prosecution (i.e. Moon) in this chart is conjunct Neptune here, very closely, in Pisces and attempts to present as it's case a debunking or undermining (Neptune) that which will be presented by the Defense (Mercury the ruler of Defense chart and found also in the 9th)

I would agree with your premise that the 10th is a very strong position for any planet to reside, and yes, a strong competitor, but the POF in the 10th in Aries, seems to favor the Prosectution's argument, for the locale is better situated here then that of the defense's rather severely maligned POF vibration. Caveat perhaps that square to the ASC.

It's a shame Tuba's not around because I'd be very interested in knowing what she sees regarding the Part of Fortune squaring the ASC? This can prove to be the Achilles heel and it's interesting to note that the ASC rises, in the same degree that is conjunct the Star "Alhena" in the Twins, or the left foot of Pollux and is said to be of the nature of Jupiter and Venus (lucky) . Yet I worry about the square from the POF to the ASC. when we speak of the luck or charm of same.
That is what I mean about the Achilles heel for this chart.


Although the POF also opposes Saturn in the 4th, and squares Pluto in the 6th and seems to be talking about the case at hand, (woe, and bringing to justice the defendent for Pluto and Saturn seem quite well placed for the task at hand ) -

it does seem that this is saying the road may not be as simple or easy as they would like towards the end result because of that square to the ASC.

They may not get exactly what they wished for, but with Hades in the 29th degree in the 12th house, it appears, that no one is going anywhere anytime soon other then prison. For the 12th is the traditional house of exile and prisons.

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All in all comparing the two, I'd say the Prosecution's delivery was more favorable of the two charts because the Moon overall which rules this chart as the Rising sign Ruler, has the upper hand aspect- wise to the other chart.

The Defense chart however, also has excellent positioning of Mercury, other then the quincunx to Saturn, which doesn't bode well for the defense. However, the creativity shows with the Quintile Moon to Mercury, so I think you are correct, there will be formidable bouts here, of competitorship for the jury's favoring one over the other.

Zoe Bogart
06-05-2011, 05:16 AM
Did anyone else notice that ICA is trying to seduce at least one guy on that jury if not all? Can someone please tell me if they see any of the men on the jury buying into her damsel in distress defense, or becoming infatuated with her based on the jury charts?

I do remember during jury selection how she appeared to be flirting with one guy in particular. Many people posted about it in the thread. I don't remember if he was eventually chosen, but I do know he was called back. :waitasec:


For the astrologers:
I saw in other astrology groups a natal chart for Casey using birth time 3:10pm, Warren, Ohio. I've asked several times where they got the information, but no one has responded to me. The time would give her a Leo Ascendant. Would that fit?

I noticed Leomoon mentioned a Kite formation in Casey's chart. Without an exact time, how would one know she has a Kite? The point would be the Moon, and without the exact time, we can't pinpoint where her Moon is situated. An evening birth time would not give her a Kite. :waitasec:

The trial is wearing me down, I can no longer think. :ohwow:

Extrasuper
06-05-2011, 08:56 AM
Our Astrologers are the best of the best. Thanks to you all.....

Leomoon80
06-05-2011, 01:12 PM
CA Natal: (checking various random times for the Moon in Cancer on her birthday)


Moon in Cancer at Noon on her birthday CST = 10°38'
Moon in Cancer at 1AM that same day = 05°
Moon in Cancer at 8PM that same day =14°

Moon more then likely (probability quotient) within orb of a Quincunx to Saturn


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Bringing forward this older post a few pages back, to show the questioner, (Zoe B.) the way I look at the KITE in Casey A.'s natal chart, seeing Neptune at the Apex of this KITE, using the probability (mathematical odds in a 24 hr. day or frame) that she indeed has a KITE:

REF:

I noticed Leomoon mentioned a Kite formation in Casey's chart. Without an exact time, how would one know she has a Kite? The point would be the Moon, and without the exact time, we can't pinpoint where her Moon is situated. An evening birth time would not give her a Kite.


IF we use a 1AM birthtime with Ohio as the birthplace, and set the orb value on astro.com to 80% which is the average by and far, IMO. we come to a location for the Moon at 4.44CANCER

IF we use a 3:30PM same day: (*same paramaters) = Moon 11.49CANCER

IF we use 8:30PM same evening Moon - 14.22CANCER

IF we use 11:30PM same evening Moon - 15°Cancer wider but within the
80% orb value that I used (using the computer at astro.com acct with set orbs)

Hope this suffices

depending upon the time of day born, the Kite varies but within the 80% orb value I use

BTW: Within the astrology community, there exist arguments or differences regarding 'orbs' (tight or wide) I use the astro.com for quick access to charts I save and they (the owner has suggested that he and Liz Greene agree) and use the 100% as a default value setting over there on their site , thus, I tighten it down to the average used there by most.
I see Astrology as an Art whereas, in my art I use my parameters and my own tools just as others I would think use their own in their art.
And in this particular case Chart, I've opted for the "Probability Quotient" of a 24 hr. Timeframe for a Day and the Moon's movement during that particular day, so perhaps it's the orb value one uses, that doesn't allow them a nighttime Kite? I simply don't know as everyone does their charts.

caveat: this is for CST Time or Ohio, where I think she was born

Note added: I think she was more then likely born early in the morning, for her Fantasy Life is so very strong, and Moon in the earlier hours, gives her an extremely "tight" KITE, with Neptune, extreme. So it will be great to eventually have her tob, which I'm sure over the years, will be released as often people do write books down the line. Seems so anyway.

:)

Nonnie
06-06-2011, 12:54 AM
Leomoon, I hope it's ok to ask this question which concerns me about the testimony that the jury heard about the prisoner being questioned at universal without miranda being given first.

Is there anyway the charts can tell if upon conviction for murder one, the prisoner could have the conviction overturned on appeal?

Leomoon80
06-06-2011, 01:52 AM
Leomoon, I hope it's ok to ask this question which concerns me about the testimony that the jury heard about the prisoner being questioned at universal without miranda being given first.

Is there anyway the charts can tell if upon conviction for murder one, the prisoner could have the conviction overturned on appeal?

Hi Nonnie:

I really don't know if there is. I rather doubt it, because it's such a broad question really in relation to astrology.

Perhaps the others may have an opinion on this one, I'm simply at a loss, and wish I could help you.

I do agree with the others who mentioned that the "Opening Statements" of both the State and Defense are rather competetive in the 10th house of Public Status.

Let's see if someone else has an answer to your question.:rocker:

Soulscape
06-06-2011, 01:02 PM
Leomoon, I hope it's ok to ask this question which concerns me about the testimony that the jury heard about the prisoner being questioned at universal without miranda being given first.

Is there anyway the charts can tell if upon conviction for murder one, the prisoner could have the conviction overturned on appeal?


Nonnie, your question is complicated and based on hypotheticals. First, the conviction of Casey Anthony for Murder One is only one of several possible jury verdicts. Second, even if the jury finds Casey Anthony guilty of murder, Defense could move for a mistrial as well as appeal.

Recall the Opening chart for start of this Trial. We showed Prosecution's Opening Statement at 9:12 am on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, and HHBP called the proceedings to order a few minutes before that time (9:03 - 9:04 am).

The chart(s) produced both showed cardinal signs across the ASCENDANT/DESCENDANT and mutable signs across the MIDHEAVEN/IC. As I have stated previously, this suggests the trial starts out "fast & furious" with plenty of action (cardinal) but undergoes many, many "twists & turns," and changes of direction before conclusion (mutable).

The outcome of this trial is ultimately in the hands of 12 individuals --- the Jurors --- each of whom have "free will," and it will only take one of them to hang the Jury / cause a mistrial.

I am not stating that this trial will end in a hung Jury and/or Mistrial, but I would be remiss not to point out that is certainly a possibility.





The Jury Verdict is symbolized by JUPITER, traditional ruler of Pisces, found on the 10th House the Judgment in the Opening charts. Note also the sign Pisces spans all of the 9th House of Jurors excepting the opening (cuspal) degrees, strongly linking the Jurors with the Verdict/ Judgment.

This Jury is ruled by SATURN (traditional ruler of Aquarius 9th House cusp) and co-ruled by URANUS (modern ruler of Aquarius) and further co-ruled by JUPITER because of Pisces' strong presence within the 9th House of the Jury.

SATURN is Retrograde, suggesting the Jurors will "go over & over" the testimonies and will "play by the rules," particularly with SATURN in Libra, a sign associated with the Law/ legal matters. Additionally, this past Saturday morning 6/4/2011, JUPITER entered Taurus, a most fixed, slow and deliberate sign. This Jury will (a) play by the rulebook (Saturn), and (b) not snap to conclusions (Jupiter in Taurus). They will mull over each and every "fact" presented and take their time (Saturn Retrograde).

Perhaps most importantly, the Jurors' verdict is completely unpredictable because unpredictable URANUS, co-Lord House 9 the Jurors, at 03 Aries is the most elevated planet, as well as within the 10th House of Verdict/Judgment, closely conjunct the MIDHEAVEN (what comes before the Public Eye).

Again, note well: the mutable signs on the MIDHEAVEN/IC axis of the Opening chart(s) are a powerful indicator that we all best hold onto our seats because "anything goes" and, with Jurors partially symbolized by unpredictable co-Lord URANUS, what finally shakes down is simply unknowable at this point.

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
06-06-2011, 03:05 PM
bringing this forward for your reference.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/OPENINGSTMTPROSECUTIONfinal.jpg

Paulette
06-06-2011, 03:21 PM
Please, do we have JB particulars or astro chart? Thanks - just don't know where to look for it in the threads.

FifthEssence
06-06-2011, 03:35 PM
Please, do we have JB particulars or astro chart? Thanks - just don't know where to look for it in the threads.



According to his marriage certificate of public record in <corrected to Miami Dade>County, FL, his DOB is 10/17/68 indicating NY as place of birth.

DO NOT post his chart although you can discuss some findings. Thank you.

Asker
06-06-2011, 03:54 PM
I do believe what happened to Caylee was an act of premeditation by the defendant, however I think she is also very mentally ill. .


I do not see Casey Anthony as having anything other than a long string of personality disorders...one of which is habitual and pathological lying (as evidenced by her Pisces stellium) which was used not as an escape into a fantasy life but rather to CON other people.

mrskub
06-06-2011, 06:14 PM
According to his marriage certificate of public record in Broward County, FL, his DOB is 10/17/68 indicating NY as place of birth.

DO NOT post his chart although you can discuss some findings. Thank you.

That information may be incorrect. In an interview, Baez stated he was born in Puerto Rico in 1969.

<snip>
Born in Puerto Rico in 1969, Baez told reporters he grew up in the Bronx and South Florida with his mother, a single parent

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/crime-law-justice/justice-system/02002000.topic

Paulette
06-06-2011, 08:11 PM
Has anyone done JB's chart to see if there's a fit with the 10-17-68 date?

When I do a chart I look at astro.com Astro Click Portrait to see if it fits. LOL! It's not much I admit, and it's only one aspect at a time - no integration of the entire personality.

What am I talking about! Tuba must have been using this all along, thus it's a good fit! She would have picked up on it's falseity.

She hasn't been here since May - I miss her.

momshrink
06-06-2011, 08:49 PM
Are there any indications in the charts that the DT will begin to fall apart? People have left the DT, but what I am interested in is whether the current DT will stay on, but begin to fragment or bicker among themselves. TIA

FifthEssence
06-06-2011, 09:30 PM
That information may be incorrect. In an interview, Baez stated he was born in Puerto Rico in 1969.

<snip>
Born in Puerto Rico in 1969, Baez told reporters he grew up in the Bronx and South Florida with his mother, a single parent

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/crime-law-justice/justice-system/02002000.topic


Has anyone done JB's chart to see if there's a fit with the 10-17-68 date?

When I do a chart I look at astro.com Astro Click Portrait to see if it fits. LOL! It's not much I admit, and it's only one aspect at a time - no integration of the entire personality.

What am I talking about! Tuba must have been using this all along, thus it's a good fit! She would have picked up on it's falseity.

She hasn't been here since May - I miss her.


Look in the <corrected to Miami Dade>county court records. There, you'll find the marriage certificate with the details noted above. Then look in the Orange Cty or Osceola court records for info regarding his property(s). You'll see the same female name beginning with the letter 'L' on both sets of papers.


Again, I remind all, DO NOT post his chart.


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There are threads out in the Main forum discussing mental illness, personality disorders and the such. Those discussions do not belong in this ASTROLOGY forum.

Intermezzo
06-06-2011, 09:56 PM
Look in the Broward county court records. There, you'll find the marriage certificate with the details noted above.


Again, I remind all, DO NOT post his chart.


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There are threads out in the Main forum discussing mental illness, personality disorders and the such. Those discussions do not belong in this ASTROLOGY forum.

I found a person by that name and DOB in the Miami Dade records not the Broward records.
But, do you believe the record you found is the correct Jose Baez...Casey's attorney? the wife's name is not the name of his current wife..

Capri
06-06-2011, 10:14 PM
For the purpose of finding the right records, has he been married once, or twice. I am aware of one wife, because she was on the Geraldo sailing show with him. Her first initial is L. I am unaware if there has been more than one marriage, but I think there must be. Wife "L" is only 26-ish, and another recored states he was married at 17 yrs old. Doubt that would be with "L", as she would only be 11 yrs old then, not very likely. That might explain the records in 2 counties.Anyone know? ( No posting of the record, I understand that)

Paulette
06-06-2011, 10:45 PM
I'm back in thread 1, looking for anything on JB (not his chart). I remember Tuba made a comment about one of his planets interacting with one of KC's or CA's planets.

I didn't mean to suggest anyone post his chart, just to look at it and see if it rang true.

Zoe Bogart
06-06-2011, 11:01 PM
Bringing forward this older post a few pages back, to show the questioner, (Zoe B.) the way I look at the KITE in Casey A.'s natal chart, seeing Neptune at the Apex of this KITE, using the probability (mathematical odds in a 24 hr. day or frame) that she indeed has a KITE:



IF we use a 1AM birthtime with Ohio as the birthplace, and set the orb value on astro.com to 80% which is the average by and far, IMO. we come to a location for the Moon at 4.44CANCER

IF we use a 3:30PM same day: (*same paramaters) = Moon 11.49CANCER

IF we use 8:30PM same evening Moon - 14.22CANCER

IF we use 11:30PM same evening Moon - 15°Cancer wider but within the
80% orb value that I used (using the computer at astro.com acct with set orbs)

Hope this suffices

depending upon the time of day born, the Kite varies but within the 80% orb value I use

BTW: Within the astrology community, there exist arguments or differences regarding 'orbs' (tight or wide) I use the astro.com for quick access to charts I save and they (the owner has suggested that he and Liz Greene agree) and use the 100% as a default value setting over there on their site , thus, I tighten it down to the average used there by most.
I see Astrology as an Art whereas, in my art I use my parameters and my own tools just as others I would think use their own in their art.
And in this particular case Chart, I've opted for the "Probability Quotient" of a 24 hr. Timeframe for a Day and the Moon's movement during that particular day, so perhaps it's the orb value one uses, that doesn't allow them a nighttime Kite? I simply don't know as everyone does their charts.

caveat: this is for CST Time or Ohio, where I think she was born

Note added: I think she was more then likely born early in the morning, for her Fantasy Life is so very strong, and Moon in the earlier hours, gives her an extremely "tight" KITE, with Neptune, extreme. So it will be great to eventually have her tob, which I'm sure over the years, will be released as often people do write books down the line. Seems so anyway.

:)


I was going to snip part of your wonderful explanation but decided to leave it in case anyone missed it the first time.

When I asked about the possibility of the Kite, I neglected to ask how tight an orb were you using, and you so kindly told me anyway. ;) Thanks also for commenting on the possible time of birth. Like you, I believe she's more oriented to a dreamlike, fantasy life Ascendant than she is to a highly dramatic Leo Ascendant. Although I could be wrong.

Thanks so much.

Waiting for Justice for Caylee :candle:

passionflower
06-06-2011, 11:14 PM
Dear Tuba, Miss you and hope you are okay!

gamom
06-06-2011, 11:30 PM
Nonnie, your question is complicated and based on hypotheticals. First, the conviction of Casey Anthony for Murder One is only one of several possible jury verdicts. Second, even if the jury finds Casey Anthony guilty of murder, Defense could move for a mistrial as well as appeal.

Recall the Opening chart for start of this Trial. We showed Prosecution's Opening Statement at 9:12 am on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, and HHBP called the proceedings to order a few minutes before that time (9:03 - 9:04 am).

The chart(s) produced both showed cardinal signs across the ASCENDANT/DESCENDANT and mutable signs across the MIDHEAVEN/IC. As I have stated previously, this suggests the trial starts out "fast & furious" with plenty of action (cardinal) but undergoes many, many "twists & turns," and changes of direction before conclusion (mutable).

The outcome of this trial is ultimately in the hands of 12 individuals --- the Jurors --- each of whom have "free will," and it will only take one of them to hang the Jury / cause a mistrial.

I am not stating that this trial will end in a hung Jury and/or Mistrial, but I would be remiss not to point out that is certainly a possibility.





The Jury Verdict is symbolized by JUPITER, traditional ruler of Pisces, found on the 10th House the Judgment in the Opening charts. Note also the sign Pisces spans all of the 9th House of Jurors excepting the opening (cuspal) degrees, strongly linking the Jurors with the Verdict/ Judgment.

This Jury is ruled by SATURN (traditional ruler of Aquarius 9th House cusp) and co-ruled by URANUS (modern ruler of Aquarius) and further co-ruled by JUPITER because of Pisces' strong presence within the 9th House of the Jury.

SATURN is Retrograde, suggesting the Jurors will "go over & over" the testimonies and will "play by the rules," particularly with SATURN in Libra, a sign associated with the Law/ legal matters. Additionally, this past Saturday morning 6/4/2011, JUPITER entered Taurus, a most fixed, slow and deliberate sign. This Jury will (a) play by the rulebook (Saturn), and (b) not snap to conclusions (Jupiter in Taurus). They will mull over each and every "fact" presented and take their time (Saturn Retrograde).

Perhaps most importantly, the Jurors' verdict is completely unpredictable because unpredictable URANUS, co-Lord House 9 the Jurors, at 03 Aries is the most elevated planet, as well as within the 10th House of Verdict/Judgment, closely conjunct the MIDHEAVEN (what comes before the Public Eye).

Again, note well: the mutable signs on the MIDHEAVEN/IC axis of the Opening chart(s) are a powerful indicator that we all best hold onto our seats because "anything goes" and, with Jurors partially symbolized by unpredictable co-Lord URANUS, what finally shakes down is simply unknowable at this point.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Uranus makes me nervous.

MissJames
06-06-2011, 11:56 PM
That information may be incorrect. In an interview, Baez stated he was born in Puerto Rico in 1969.

<snip>
Born in Puerto Rico in 1969, Baez told reporters he grew up in the Bronx and South Florida with his mother, a single parent

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/crime-law-justice/justice-system/02002000.topic

My experience with reporters is ,they often get it wrong,especially the basics. Drives me nuts .Just because they write that he said that,does not make it correct. Reporters will paraphrase,with wrong info,and put it in quotes.

Intermezzo
06-07-2011, 07:32 AM
For the purpose of finding the right records, has he been married once, or twice. I am aware of one wife, because she was on the Geraldo sailing show with him. Her first initial is L. I am unaware if there has been more than one marriage, but I think there must be. Wife "L" is only 26-ish, and another recored states he was married at 17 yrs old. Doubt that would be with "L", as she would only be 11 yrs old then, not very likely. That might explain the records in 2 counties.Anyone know? ( No posting of the record, I understand that)

HI
The wife you saw is the current one..JAB was married at 17 to his first wife and mother of his adult daughter.
JAB has been married 2x... possibly 3..because I found a record for a 2002 marriage in Miami Dade..I thought perhaps we had the wrong JAB..but the DOB and place of birth are the same.

I found JAB's marriage cert. in the Osceola Court Public Records
the name of the wife listed is his current wife.
This Marriage took place in Miami in 2004.
The place of birth and DOB of JAB are the same as the Record Fifth Essence found in Miami Dade

salvarenga
06-07-2011, 12:21 PM
Dear Tuba, Miss you and hope you are okay!

Fifth -

Are you able to give us any kind of update on Tuba and if/when she may be back? It just seems as if things are not the same without her here. She worked so hard on this case and her thoughts now are truly missed.

If you can't share, I completely understand but do pass on to her how much we all miss her if you are still in contact with her.

Sal

Oldsoul2
06-07-2011, 12:26 PM
The POF in Defense chart is 2:08 Gemini trine "Caylee" 2:12 Libra.

Moon 2:12 Pisces is quincunx "Caylee" 2:12 Libra.

I don't know what represents the jury? The Moon in the 6th house of duty. (?)

Funny this. "Jose" 29:46 Leo (12th house) opposes the Moon 2:12 Pisces (6th house).

I've never seen JB's chart, so I can't compare.

I just want to make clear that I'm not an astrologer by any stretch - just a wee bit of insight sometimes.

In KC's 2011 Solar Return, she has "Skuld" (things pertaining to the future) 29:11 Rx Leo, quincunx BML 29:35 Pisces and Sun 29 Pisces. Notice that in the Defense chart "Jose" has found that Leo spot. Regulus the Royal Star. Beware! If you abuse this position, be prepared to fall from grace.

If anyone watched Dr Vaus' testimony yesterday being cross examined by JB (with conviction, convinced he will hit his home run) this will sum it up: JB: Your air sample findings could be an old hamburger left in the car. Dr. V: True but it would have to be a raw hamburger eaten with a bag over your head.....LOL....FALL FROM GRACE

Oldsoul2
06-07-2011, 12:48 PM
Note added:[/B] I think she was more then likely born early in the morning, for her Fantasy Life is so very strong, and Moon in the earlier hours, gives her an extremely "tight" KITE, with Neptune, extreme. So it will be great to eventually have her tob, which I'm sure over the years, will be released as often people do write books down the line. Seems so anyway.

:)

My feeling is she can be a double Pieces...
12am-2am=Capricorn (IMO No way...practical sign)
2am-4am=Aquarius (Dreamer? but still can't see it...very humanitarian)
4am-6am=Pieces
6am-8am=Aries
8am-10am=Taurus (this is definitely IMO not likely...stable)
10am-12pm=Gemini (the twins and this falls on mothers sun)

What would be your astrological guess?

Leomoon80
06-07-2011, 01:11 PM
I saw a 2AM chart online that I liked (rectification attempt) Has SAG Rising with a 9th house cusp of Virgo (her mother's Sun sign is ruled by Mercury)
and her father is a Sun Virgo . Mother is a nurse .

Her face itself IMO, is a bit "horsey" indicative of SAG Rising. A long face
Sag Rising is the symbol of the horse and man / centaur

However the way I look at natal charts is a tad bit (pun intended, Tad Mann)
different perhaps. That plus I do like the Cayce readings on the soul's entrance into the body (metaphysical stuff)......which suggests the soul may enter hours before or after the 1st Breath chart.


My forte is not Rectifications.(some links of interest regarding this subject are over in the Library)

Oldsoul2
06-07-2011, 02:22 PM
Thanks Leomoon.....forgot to calculate in central daylight time...

lolipop
06-07-2011, 10:24 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the outcome of this case was determined from the Grand Jury chart to which it all began.

katydid23
06-07-2011, 10:46 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the outcome of this case was determined from the Grand Jury chart to which it all began.

It is not that easy, imo. Things are constantly changing. It is an everchanging universe. So the Grand Jury chart is very very important as it is the first 'event' chart leading up to the trial. But things proceed and there are twists and turns. And we are always faced with the free will of the humanoids involved. It is really complicated and astrologers have conferences in which they debate this exact subject/question endlessly, for years, and it is never fully resolved. imoo

[Horary vs. Humanistic Astrology, fatalism vs free will, if you want to delve deeper into the ongoing debate.]
http://www.qhdc.org/barclay/har.htm [ interesting article on the debate]

Ancient astrologers believed every answer was there, in exact fashion in the seed chart or natal or horary chart. As society progressed, individuals wanted to break free from that fatalistic view of things. We now believe that it is wrong to chain individuals to class distinctions and we feel anyone can attain anything they aspire to, no matter what their family/financial/religious status was at birth. We also believe that people can overcome their flaws and rise above them. So 'humanistic' astrologers like Dane Rudyhar wanted to teach that charts are not absolute or predetermined scripts. If we hold to that philosophy, then we cannot accept that one chart, at the very beginning of a 4 year event, could hold ALL of the answers. If so, then why would the individuals strive to do better, be better and make positive changes? Sorry for the rambling but I have spent 40 years trying to answer and understand that question, behind your post. lol

katydid23
06-07-2011, 11:03 PM
I saw a 2AM chart online that I liked (rectification attempt) Has SAG Rising with a 9th house cusp of Virgo (her mother's Sun sign is ruled by Mercury)
and her father is a Sun Virgo . Mother is a nurse .

Her face itself IMO, is a bit "horsey" indicative of SAG Rising. A long face
Sag Rising is the symbol of the horse and man / centaur

However the way I look at natal charts is a tad bit (pun intended, Tad Mann)
different perhaps. That plus I do like the Cayce readings on the soul's entrance into the body (metaphysical stuff)......which suggests the soul may enter hours before or after the 1st Breath chart.


My forte is not Rectifications.(some links of interest regarding this subject are over in the Library)

I could easily see a very late Sag rising chart with Neptune in her first house. How perfect would that be? lol [ Leading with her lies? Visibly deceptive?] That would put the opposition to Moon in Cancer in her 7th, which is very apt, imo. [ emotionally dependent upon intimate relationships and may get lost in one's own personal wants or needs. Needy, clingy emotional behavior?]

Anyway I agree, I hate to deliniate charts that are not verified but I do agree that Sag rising could be very accurate. Imo she does have a Sag-like face and having that afflicted Mars/Uranus rising is very apt. That would signify the ultimate in poor impulse control.

Shadow5618
06-07-2011, 11:40 PM
Does anyone know when Tuba is coming back? This place just isn't the same without her and I think I speak for many of us who miss her so terribly.

We love you, Tuba!! Come home soon!

Soulscape
06-08-2011, 11:29 AM
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought the outcome of this case was determined from the Grand Jury chart to which it all began.


Lolipop,

Each Astrologer participates here from his or her own viewpoint/ background/ skill set. I practice forensic horary astrology and view the charts from that perspective.

Below are some of my observations on the Grand Jury Indictment chart as it relates to this trial:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/GrandJuryIINDICTmastercopy.jpg

Interestingly, the Grand Jury Chart shows Fixed signs across the ASCENDANT/ DESCENDANT indicating a long, hard haul, and --- like the Opening Charts of this Trial --- Mutable signs across the MIDHEAVEN/IC axis.

So right from the 'beginning' we were 'told' the matter would continue for a long, long time (Fixed ASC/DSC) and there would be many changes, twists & turns before its conclusion (Mutable MC/IC).



Now... what kind of 'ending' does the Grand Jury Indictment chart 'predict'?

1. Notice 02 Gemini on the 4th House of Endings cusp in the Grand Jury Indictment chart, and note Gemini on the 5th House of the Child as well, connecting the two. With HADES conjunct the 5th House cusp, we have a dead child. With the 4th House of Endings cusp conjunct ALCYONE (Pleiades, Weeping Sisters), the 'ending' will be 'something to cry about.'

2. Lord 4 of Endings MERCURY is retrograde at 07 Libra (the law) in the radix 8th House of Death / Turned Near Future 2nd of the 7th House Defendant (ICA). The SUN, Lord 7 the Defendant ICA, is also posited in the 8th House of Death.

Moreover, Lord 4 of Endings MERCURY 07 Libra Rx partile squares Casey Anthony's natal MOON 07 Cancer (sunrise position). These positions 'suggest' that ICA will find the 'ending' 'challenging' (square) and not to her liking, at best...

3. MOON 21 Aries in the Grand Jury Indictment chart rules ICA's 12th House of Imprisonment (radix 6th), and applies partile opposed her ruler, SUN (Lord 7 the Defendant/Turned 1st) and partile quindecile (165 degrees) MERCURY Lord 4 End of the Matter. This suggests an outcome of imprisonment. (SUN opposite MOON in this chart also afflicts ICA's secondary progressed SUN 20 Aries.)

4. SATURN 16 Virgo rules the radix 12th House of Imprisonment and is intercepted (hidden) within the Turned 1st/ Radix 7th House the Defendant (ICA) and is conjunct VERTEX (Fate). This also suggests an outcome of imprisonment.

5. Point of Death 21 Leo conjunct the 7th House/ Turned 1st cusp shows the seriousness of the charges (i.e., the death penalty) and Part of DEATH 27:45 Cancer within the Turned 12th House of Imprisonment/ radix 6th widely T-squaring the SUN-MOON exact opposition (which afflicts ICA's natal secondary progressed SUN) suggests "dying in prison" / life term.


This is what I see in the charts. Whether my interpretation is correct remains to be seen.


Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
06-08-2011, 11:46 AM
bringing this forward from post #2 SOULSCAPE:



Thus, these subsequent charts must be examined in light of the GRAND JURY INDICTMENT chart, as they are in fact transits to that initiating chart. We are obligated to study progressions to that chart and to the charts of key players (Casey Anthony, Lead Attorneys, Judge) as well, as the case progresses

This 'consideration' would include the PROSECUTION OPENING STMT chart and the DEFENSE OPENING STMT chart.

Oldsoul2
06-08-2011, 12:53 PM
Thank you sooo much Soulscape...right to the point. Just curious, if possible..the charts indicate death in prison, I've always sensed she wouldn't last long in there and even though she won't get the death penalty, she would die or be killed within months of going to Real prison. Can you take a quick look?

Thanks

Soulscape
06-08-2011, 01:24 PM
Thank you sooo much Soulscape...right to the point. Just curious, if possible..the charts indicate death in prison, I've always sensed she wouldn't last long in there and even though she won't get the death penalty, she would die or be killed within months of going to Real prison. Can you take a quick look?

Thanks



Interesting question, Oldsoul, and while there are testimonies in the Grand Jury Indictment chart that what you suggest is possible, I am loathe to speculate further, particularly since (a) the Jury Verdict and subsequent Penalty are not yet known --- and despite the chart's testimony, there is always the possibility of an alternate outcome --- and (b) we do not have in our possession a true timed birth chart which would give indications of cause and manner of death.


Thank you for your participation,

Soulscape





Thanks,
Soulscape

lolipop
06-08-2011, 08:01 PM
I also agree with you Oldsoul2.... maybe she's only going to make it in prison for 31 months....or days?????

Kat
06-09-2011, 12:15 AM
I went back to thread #1 and read forward. Housemouse's work is there and now after having read her charts and her interpretations and seeing all that she saw in the stars unfold---there isn't a doubt in my mind what happened to Caylee and the State is on target with a charge of murder. Just sharing. Those threads are amazing and reading all of the astrologers input is astounding as well as housemouse's input.

Frigga
06-09-2011, 02:23 AM
I have a question for the Astrologers, I am wondering if ICA is convicted (of either LWOP or Death Penalty) if she will then go after Mr Baez and attack or attempt to destroy him?

Thank you if this is something you can answer, and even if it isn't something you can answer!

katydid23
06-09-2011, 02:59 AM
Thank you sooo much Soulscape...right to the point. Just curious, if possible..the charts indicate death in prison, I've always sensed she wouldn't last long in there and even though she won't get the death penalty, she would die or be killed within months of going to Real prison. Can you take a quick look?

Thanks

The reason that is really difficult is because there is no accurately timed chart yet. And the birth time and place is what sets Casey Marie Anthony apart from the thousands and thousands of others born on the same day she was. Not ALL of those souls are going to die or grow old in prison. In essence it is the minute details that we see from her particular chart that can answer your question. But without knowing her exact time of birth it is not really possible to speculate. One needs to know what her angles are and what signs rule her houses, and the exact degree of her Moon to successfully answer those nagging questions.

Oldsoul2
06-12-2011, 12:45 PM
So we've had the pictures of Caylee's remains, three people testifying to the smell of decomp in the car, a bug expert testifying to specific flies that feed off of decomp in the car, 72-82 searches of how to make chloroform on the computer, traces of it on the trunk carpet, in the bottle near the remains and an air expert testifying to it being in the air in the trunk. If I knew nothing about this case, I would say 2 and 2 =4. I believe Soulscapes conclusion will be correct...Justice for Caylee and Casey!

katydid23
06-12-2011, 02:56 PM
I think the prosecution has done a great job laying out their case so far and I bet they will end very strong. However, we need to fasten our seat belts, imo. The defense starts their case right at the Summer Solstice, when the Sun enters Cancer, and Mars enters Gemini.

That tells me they are going to be very aggressive and forceful. The emphasis upon Gemini/Cancer says they may be focussing a lot upon Casey's childhood and the family dynamics within the home. George is far from perfect, and his shortcomings are going to be highlighted, spotlighted and dissected. [Tr Pluto in Capricorn is conjunct Casey's Neptune in Capricorn]

I am concerned that one or two of the jurors might be convinced that George had some involvement.
So far the state has done a great job proving that the child was decomposing in the trunk of the Pontiac. But now they need to show who exactly placed her there.

I think that this is where the MUTABLE signs on the MC / IC axis come in. Things are nebulous, twofold, and there are conflicting 'realities' for a time. We will need to steel ourselves through the defense case because they are going to be brutal and may do some real damage to George, Cindy and Lee. And Casey will look on approvingly, imo.

In her natal chart Casey has Neptune in Capricorn,[ illusions concerning father] which is squaring her Sun/Venus midpoint. According to Ebertin= An untrue feeling in love,love torment, disappointment in love, wrong ideas about true love.

This Sun/Venus= Neptune is being afflicted by transits of Uranus and Pluto, the most brutal of transits, and Venus is being opposed by Saturn. So I do not see her walking free, but I do see her doing some mighty damage to those she once loved, although her concept of true love may leave something to be desired.

MyTinkieGirl
06-12-2011, 03:45 PM
I went back and checked...but didn't see anything about this, any idea what the "xtra long" total lunar eclipse on June 15 will bring??
The SA had said they should finish up June 17 or "sooner"....so, DT should be up at bat June 18 or "sooner"....
Something "hidden" will be "revealed"....??

passionflower
06-12-2011, 03:56 PM
Full moon June 15, 2011 02:13:06 PM

passionflower
06-12-2011, 04:00 PM
Thank you sooo much Soulscape...right to the point. Just curious, if possible..the charts indicate death in prison, I've always sensed she wouldn't last long in there and even though she won't get the death penalty, she would die or be killed within months of going to Real prison. Can you take a quick look?

Thanks

suicide or murder/ just wondering to myself..........

Asker
06-12-2011, 05:48 PM
suicide or murder/ just wondering to myself..........

Narcissists don't kill themselves.

Lovejac
06-12-2011, 07:01 PM
I think the prosecution has done a great job laying out their case so far and I bet they will end very strong. However, we need to fasten our seat belts, imo. The defense starts their case right at the Summer Solstice, when the Sun enters Cancer, and Mars enters Gemini.

If what I've read correctly the 2011 Summer Solstice begins June 21, 2011

Would it make a difference if the Defense starts their case one, two or more days AFTER???? or even BEFORE that date??

PS: Hi, Tuba. I miss you. :seeya:

Leomoon80
06-12-2011, 08:41 PM
I think the prosecution has done a great job laying out their case so far and I bet they will end very strong. However, we need to fasten our seat belts, imo. The defense starts their case right at the Summer Solstice, when the Sun enters Cancer, and Mars enters Gemini.

That tells me they are going to be very aggressive and forceful. The emphasis upon Gemini/Cancer says they may be focussing a lot upon Casey's childhood and the family dynamics within the home. George is far from perfect, and his shortcomings are going to be highlighted, spotlighted and dissected. [Tr Pluto in Capricorn is conjunct Casey's Neptune in Capricorn]

I am concerned that one or two of the jurors might be convinced that George had some involvement.
So far the state has done a great job proving that the child was decomposing in the trunk of the Pontiac. But now they need to show who exactly placed her there.

I think that this is where the MUTABLE signs on the MC / IC axis come in. Things are nebulous, twofold, and there are conflicting 'realities' for a time. We will need to steel ourselves through the defense case because they are going to be brutal and may do some real damage to George, Cindy and Lee. And Casey will look on approvingly, imo.

In her natal chart Casey has Neptune in Capricorn,[ illusions concerning father] which is squaring her Sun/Venus midpoint. According to Ebertin= An untrue feeling in love,love torment, disappointment in love, wrong ideas about true love.

This Sun/Venus= Neptune is being afflicted by transits of Uranus and Pluto, the most brutal of transits, and Venus is being opposed by Saturn. So I do not see her walking free, but I do see her doing some mighty damage to those she once loved, although her concept of true love may leave something to be desired.


Have you looked any at George A.'s natal since he will be coming up to scrutiny soon if the defense has it's way? The defense of course insisting that G.A. (Casey's father) is the one who was the mastermind and behind the act and largely,the cause of his daughter's mental or emotional state.

I am completely shocked that G.A. and CA did not take the 5th Amendment in this case.

Have you studied their charts in any depth or relation to this seemingly, "turn around" on their behalf ? i.e. Ebertin and aspects in the parents charts?

What about unconditional love a parent shows for their child (i.e. adult children) ? Do we see in the charts that this is somehow missing? Perhaps the answer lies with CERES the thread that seems to be the ongoing link between all of these people in this family.

Oldsoul2
06-12-2011, 09:37 PM
suicide or murder/ just wondering to myself..........

Either she will get the death penalty OR my first guess would be that lots of women don't like baby killers in prison.....someone is going to do her in and that will be the REAL person to teach her the lesson, not her imaginary baby sitter.

Oldsoul2
06-12-2011, 09:42 PM
I think the prosecution has done a great job laying out their case so far and I bet they will end very strong. However, we need to fasten our seat belts, imo. The defense starts their case right at the Summer Solstice, when the Sun enters Cancer, and Mars enters Gemini.

That tells me they are going to be very aggressive and forceful. The emphasis upon Gemini/Cancer says they may be focussing a lot upon Casey's childhood and the family dynamics within the home. George is far from perfect, and his shortcomings are going to be highlighted, spotlighted and dissected. [Tr Pluto in Capricorn is conjunct Casey's Neptune in Capricorn]

I am concerned that one or two of the jurors might be convinced that George had some involvement.
So far the state has done a great job proving that the child was decomposing in the trunk of the Pontiac. But now they need to show who exactly placed her there.

I think that this is where the MUTABLE signs on the MC / IC axis come in. Things are nebulous, twofold, and there are conflicting 'realities' for a time. We will need to steel ourselves through the defense case because they are going to be brutal and may do some real damage to George, Cindy and Lee. And Casey will look on approvingly, imo.

In her natal chart Casey has Neptune in Capricorn,[ illusions concerning father] which is squaring her Sun/Venus midpoint. According to Ebertin= An untrue feeling in love,love torment, disappointment in love, wrong ideas about true love.

This Sun/Venus= Neptune is being afflicted by transits of Uranus and Pluto, the most brutal of transits, and Venus is being opposed by Saturn. So I do not see her walking free, but I do see her doing some mighty damage to those she once loved, although her concept of true love may leave something to be desired.


I know the charts are speaking of this but it's really hard to imagine at this point that the defense can come out with anything that makes sense. I would say that if the charts still indicate a guilty verdict in the end, it will have no withstanding power.

katydid23
06-12-2011, 09:48 PM
I know the charts are speaking of this but it's really hard to imagine at this point that the defense can come out with anything that makes sense. I would say that if the charts still indicate a guilty verdict in the end, it will have no withstanding power.

But we have not seen them lay out their case yet, all they have done is react to the state. I do believe they will present a case that will make the jurors wonder a bit and that's all it takes.

Oldsoul2
06-13-2011, 10:18 AM
I just mean thus far and in doing so, they have made themselves look very uncredible.
There's NO POSSIBLE reason to duct tape a childs mouth after she already drowned...regardless if they say it was GA and not KC, IMO, that still is jibbirish

Lovejac
06-13-2011, 12:15 PM
No link, but Judge P just stated to the jury that he expects the Defense to begin presenting their case on Wednesday, June 15 or Thursday, June 16.

The SA is calling their LAST witness tomorrow, June 14.

Wondering if it makes a difference concerning the start of Summer Solstice.

FifthEssence
06-13-2011, 12:36 PM
ASTROLOGY is the focus, let's not start sliding into unrelated opinions or personal non-astro related observations.
A one-liner might be OK but anything more is going to go ' puff '

Thanks.




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FifthEssence
06-13-2011, 04:39 PM
respectfully shortened
I missed the exact time Judge Perry said the state would be finished by tomorrow afternoon or Wednesday morning, so the defense should be ready to go on Wednesday afternoon or Thursday morning.

It will be interesting to look at the transits for the TIME the DEFENSE begins their rebuttal process. Will have to wait this out since we don't know if they will start on Wednesday. or Thursday.

WEDnesday, @ 4:12PM (time provided by nasa.gov) we have a FULL LUNAR ECLIPSE. It'll be full Sag Moon accompanied by the NNode in opposition to the Gemini SUN conjunct the SNode and it's own ruler, Mercury.

Lunar eclipse=EMOTIONs run HIGH.

Carolina Girl
06-13-2011, 05:20 PM
Thanks to all of you for your readings.

gamom
06-14-2011, 11:07 PM
Defense starts presenting their case on Thursday AM.

marlame
06-15-2011, 05:10 AM
respectfully shortened

It will be interesting to look at the transits for the TIME the DEFENSE begins their rebuttal process. Will have to wait this out since we don't know if they will start on Wednesday. or Thursday.

WEDnesday, @ 4:12PM (time provided by nasa.gov) we have a FULL LUNAR ECLIPSE. It'll be full Sag Moon accompanied by the NNode in opposition to the Gemini SUN conjunct the SNode and it's own ruler, Mercury.

Lunar eclipse=EMOTIONs run HIGH.

FifthEssence, I just wanted to share a sincere "Thank You" for all of your hard work keeping this thread up to speed! With Tuba and housemouse absent, this thread needs you so very much. You are doing a great job!! :takeabow:

The FULL LUNAR ECLIPSE this afternoon is at 25 degrees Sagittarius...
Sagittarius is the truth seeker sign. Justice, foreign countries, treaties, higher education, teachers, legal system & proceedings, writers/publishers/publishing, and ministers are just a few that will be touched by this eclipse in Sagittarius. The Moon at 25 Sagittarius is in opposition to Mercury and quincunx to Mars. Feelings and thoughts may be in opposition, creating a tug of war or a realization. Did I mention Sagittarius is a fire sign? Eclipses that occur in fire signs can bring sensational and unexpected events. :crazy:

I agree... It will be very interesting to look at the transits for the TIME the DEFENSE begins their rebuttal process on Thursday. Early Thursday, the Moon will be entering Capricorn where it will remain all day. This would NOT be a good time for the Defense Team to push the limits or take high risks. :eek:

Again, FifthEssence,I just want to say... :gthanks:

MarlaMe

katydid23
06-15-2011, 05:18 AM
FifthEssence, I just wanted to share a sincere "Thank You" for all of your hard work keeping this thread up to speed! With Tuba and housemouse absent, this thread needs you so very much. You are doing a great job!! :takeabow:

The FULL LUNAR ECLIPSE this afternoon is at 25 degrees Sagittarius...
Sagittarius is the truth seeker sign. Justice, foreign countries, treaties, higher education, teachers, legal system & proceedings, writers/publishers/publishing, and ministers are just a few that will be touched by this eclipse in Sagittarius. The Moon at 25 Sagittarius is in opposition to Mercury and quincunx to Mars. Feelings and thoughts may be in opposition, creating a tug of war or a realization. Did I mention Sagittarius is a fire sign? Eclipses that occur in fire signs can bring sensational and unexpected events. :crazy:

I agree... It will be very interesting to look at the transits for the TIME the DEFENSE begins their rebuttal process on Thursday. Early Thursday, the Moon will be entering Capricorn where it will remain all day. This would NOT be a good time for the Defense Team to push the limits or take high risks. :eek:

Again, FifthEssence,I just want to say... :gthanks:

MarlaMe

WEll said. I really hope the DT does not begin their case on Wednesday. I like it still being the state's day to rest their case. There is a lot of power just prior to the full moon eclipse. I like it staying with the prosecution.

And yes, Thursday's energy reigns them in. Tightly.

Lovejac
06-15-2011, 09:38 AM
Defense starts presenting their case on Thursday AM.

at exactly 9:25 am, Wednesday, June 15, 2011, CM begins speaking to the court about his motion for aquittal.

ETA: 3 years ago today, this was Caylee's last day to be alive. :( I am so glad she spent the day with someone who truly loved and cherished her.

Zoe Bogart
06-15-2011, 12:03 PM
WEll said. I really hope the DT does not begin their case on Wednesday. I like it still being the state's day to rest their case. There is a lot of power just prior to the full moon eclipse. I like it staying with the prosecution.

And yes, Thursday's energy reigns them in. Tightly.



Well, whatdyaknow, the DT begins tomorrow. :denied: Acquittal denied at 11:35:45 (or so). Court in recess until 9am Thursday. I do hope this bodes well for the state. Should we be out thanking the full Moon eclipse? Or just wink at it for now? :seeya:


I'll be posting my log later, right now, I'm heading for a nap. :bedtime:

Have I mentioned lately how much I love astrology?

katydid23
06-16-2011, 02:32 AM
Well, whatdyaknow, the DT begins tomorrow. :denied: Acquittal denied at 11:35:45 (or so). Court in recess until 9am Thursday. I do hope this bodes well for the state. Should we be out thanking the full Moon eclipse? Or just wink at it for now? :seeya:


I'll be posting my log later, right now, I'm heading for a nap. :bedtime:

Have I mentioned lately how much I love astrology?

I held back in my earlier post, just in case any spies from the DT were lurking. But I really did not want them to start their case on Wednesday so they could not tap into the power of that applying Lunar Eclipse. And they didn't. It was actually the state that got another chance to reiterate their case just before the DT was denied their request for acquittal. SCORE 1 for SA.

The Moon will be exactly squaring Uranus when the Defense begins to present their case. So things may be shocking, upsetting, but will not turn out as planned, imo. After lunch recess there is a Moon conjunct Pluto aspect. Things should be intense and down and dirty as court returns from afternoon recess. Whatever they try to establish in their afternoon testimonies may end up being crucial to their case. Moon/Pluto is the bottom line, the core, so that conjunction should be very revealing. Also, Mercury is changing signs from Gemini to Cancer @ 3:09 pm. So we may see a shift from what we thought their case was going to be, attacking forsensic details, to attacking family dynamics and relationships.

FifthEssence
06-16-2011, 08:39 AM
Here's my 1 liner allowance:

Although Cheney Mason noted numerous times his hearing has declined with age, he made it abundantly clear in his Acquittal argument, he has no problem scoping out the imaginary bullseye covering Geo A's heart....because it's his fault his daughter is in trouble.

Frigga
06-16-2011, 10:02 AM
Here's mine:

That bullseye was formed after Geo's Grand Jury testimony and his meetings with LE were revealed to ICA and JB.

Soulscape
06-16-2011, 12:25 PM
I am tentatively encouraged by this chart. We're using the the 9:00AM time Judge Perry approaches the bench and says, "you may be seated."


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DefenseProceedings616119amjpeg.jpg


With Cancer Rising, Lord 1 is the Defense, signified by the MOON, which at 03 Capricorn is peregrine (unable to act) and in detriment --- very weak.

End of the Matter Lord 4 VENUS 08 Gemini is in Grand Trine formation with Lord 7 the Prosecution SATURN 10 Libra and the Arabic Part of FORTUNE 06 Aquarius --- with FORTUNE posited in Prosecution's 1 House. Further, Lord 9 the Jury JUPITER 02 Taurus, posited in the 10H of Judgment is disposited by End of the Matter Lord 4 VENUS!

Additionally, Lord 9 the Jury JUPITER squares the ASCENDANT (Defense), and squares FORTUNE, suggesting Defense may possibly be "acting against itself," to its own detriment.

Co-Lord 9 the Jury NEPTUNE at 00 Pisces conjuncts CHIRON and squares End of the Matter Lord 4 VENUS and squares Lord 10 the Judgment MARS. Lord 10 the Judgment MARS 26 Taurus partile conjuncts the malefic Fixed Star ALGOL, suggesting a most unfortunate ending as far as Defense is concerned...





Thanks,
Soulscape

katydid23
06-16-2011, 03:00 PM
So Mercury is entering Cancer now, and Mercury rules the chart of the DT opening statement. I wonder if a family member[ Cancer] will be called after the break?


ETA: Nope. He called Robyn Maynard, who found the hearts sticker at the dump site. He is trying to discount the heart sticker on the duct tape.

ETA: And then Mr. Murdoch, forensics, and again, more about the heart sticker.

Mr. Baez must be very concerned about this Heart sticker. :heartbeat:


ETA: So I am going to say that the accusations about Lee being seen as the potential father of Caylee is the energy behind the shift of Mercury entering Cancer. The family dysfunction revealed could be signified by Mercury @ 0 Cancer.

jojomonkey
06-16-2011, 04:46 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Tuba? It's very concerning to me that she hasn't been here in so long. She was with this case from the beginning but now she's just disappeared? I appreciate everyone's input on this thread but I really miss her posts!

Carolina Girl
06-16-2011, 06:42 PM
jojomonkey, it is a mystery to me. I just hope Tuba is okay.

FifthEssence
06-16-2011, 10:59 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Tuba? It's very concerning to me that she hasn't been here in so long. She was with this case from the beginning but now she's just disappeared? I appreciate everyone's input on this thread but I really miss her posts!


jojomonkey, it is a mystery to me. I just hope Tuba is okay.



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Our dear TUBA is taking care of personal business and currently isn't available.

She certainly has spoiled us and it's understood why we'd miss her so much.

Let's allow her this time.

Extrasuper
06-17-2011, 08:31 AM
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Our dear TUBA is taking care of personal business and currently isn't available.

She certainly has spoiled us and it's understood why we'd miss her so much.

Let's allow her this time.

Tuba, take all the time you need.....you are not forgotten and definitely loved....in the meantime, we still have great astrologers working with us..love you all

jojomonkey
06-17-2011, 01:02 PM
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Our dear TUBA is taking care of personal business and currently isn't available.

She certainly has spoiled us and it's understood why we'd miss her so much.

Let's allow her this time.


Thanks! I'm just glad nothing happened to her. She's more than allowed to take time off :seeya:

Daisy14
06-18-2011, 06:20 AM
Hi Everyone, Although I am not new to astrology, I am new to forensic astrology. I am fascianted with this case and I have read thru many of the previous posts and I am so impressed with the work the astrologers have done on this forum. You are all amazing!!! I do have a question with regards to whether you think Casey will tesify. Is there anything in the charts to suggest she will? If so, how do you think it will affect the eventual verdict.

Asker
06-18-2011, 12:23 PM
Hi Everyone, Although I am not new to astrology, I am new to forensic astrology. I am fascianted with this case and I have read thru many of the previous posts and I am so impressed with the work the astrologers have done on this forum. You are all amazing!!! I do have a question with regards to whether you think Casey will tesify. Is there anything in the charts to suggest she will? If so, how do you think it will affect the eventual verdict.

Hi, Others may do it differently but the way I was taught everything regarding the trial can be seen in the chart for the time the trial officially started which is May 24, 2011 at 9:00 a.m. in Orlando, FL. In this chart Casey is represented by the 6th house (the victim, Caylee, is represented by the 12th house ruled by Mercury which shows the chart is radical as Mercury is the ruler of children).

The ruler of the 6th house is Jupiter which is positioned in the 10th house at 27 Aries. The 10th house rules the judge and it also rules public matters. Aries is a bold and daring and fiery sign and Jupiter inflates everything it touches so yes, I believe Casey will testify.

Jupiter in this chart is basically void of course...that is, it does not make any aspects to any other planets in the chart. That in itself does not bode well for it representing Casey. It makes her sort of like the cheese who is standing alone. This void of course situation means to me that whatever she does...nothing helpful will come of it.

Also, Jupiter (a planet that often represents law or justice) being in Aries is not a good indication for representing Casey as Aries is the sign opposite Libra which is a sign that often represents justice, balance, agreements, peaceful relationships while Aries represents arguments, arrogance, fighting, and abrasiveness.

To make matters less positive for Casey, the ruling planet of Libra is Venus and it is intercepted in the Jury's house (the 11th house) and Venus is in its other rulership sign which is Taurus and it is there with Mars which rules the Jury and Mercury which rules the Victim (Caylee).

All 3 of these planets make an inconjunct to Saturn in Libra (rulership position for Saturn but accidentally diminished because it is Retrograde). Saturn rules the 7th house and as such represents Jose Baez, Casey's attorney. The 4th house where Saturn is positioned represents the End of the Matter. That the 3 conjuncting planets in the 11th house of the Jury are inconjunct Sarturn means that these planets and the things they represent share nothing in common. The jury is not with Jose.

Baez's Saturn in the 4th is also squaring Pluto in the 6th which is only ONE degree from the 7th house cusp (his house). If she doesn't get the death penalty it will have been a close decision IMO and may be due to the fact that she has inadequate counsel in this trial. I see where a mistrial or an appeal could be in the picture due to planets in and ruling the 9th house (the rule of law).

Daisy14
06-18-2011, 01:59 PM
Thank You Asker, Great post! I really hope a mistrial is not in the stars. In reading your analysis, Saturn in the 4th (indicating the end of the matter) squaring Pluto in the 6th sounds very ominious for a death penalty conviction.

In looking thru the other posts I noticed that different charts are used for analysis e.g. opening statements, grand jury, etc. I am just wondering if there is an overall sense from these charts on whether she will serve jail time, get the DP or be set free?

Paulette
06-18-2011, 04:53 PM
Will KC testify? I don't know, but on Monday, Mercury 6:49 Cancer will fill out a Grand Trine to her natal Pluto 6:56 Scorpio & Jupiter 6:30 Pisces. A big (Jupiter) story (Mercury) about death (Pluto) of HER DREAMS (Neptune sextile Pluto).

Asker
06-19-2011, 10:41 AM
Thank You Asker, Great post! I really hope a mistrial is not in the stars. In reading your analysis, Saturn in the 4th (indicating the end of the matter) squaring Pluto in the 6th sounds very ominious for a death penalty conviction.

In looking thru the other posts I noticed that different charts are used for analysis e.g. opening statements, grand jury, etc. I am just wondering if there is an overall sense from these charts on whether she will serve jail time, get the DP or be set free?

Hi Daisy,

Yes, everyone does astrology the way they were taught it or they way they learned over time what methods works best for them. I was taught that an Event Chart (which is what the Start of the Trial is) is much like a Natal (birth) Chart. I am one who believes anything "can" be seen in these types of charts--even the birth chart. An astrological chart IMO is like a road map from start to destination. You just have to figure out where and what the stops along the way are.

Other types of astrology charts (transits, progressed charts and such) are IMO used to more or less fine tune what one is looking for especially when trying to time events. I use transits a lot but not progressed charts as much.

I prefer to keep things simple but that's just me. At times I do look at things like the asteroids, the Fixed Stars and Arabic Parts and to a much lesser extent the Sabian Symbols. I am very careful about not putting too much info into a chart because for me that tends to muddy the answer as well as to muddy up the entire chart but many other astrologers have no trouble working with a lot of information in one chart. It all just depends on how you learn astrology and what you are comfortable with using.

As for the Saturn square Pluto in the Trial Start Chart, I think that particular aspect makes it less ominous for a death penalty sentence. Squares tend to conflict/block the actions of the planets involved. Perhaps JB's ineptitude/inexperience (Saturn in Libra RX) will be enough to spare Casey from a death sentence but again I think the deliberating will make it a close decision.

Daisy14
06-19-2011, 02:32 PM
Thank You Asker for the clarification. I agree that squares do tend to conflict or block the action of the planets involved. At first, I was just looking at the two planets Saturn and Pluto and not thinking so much about the affect of a square. I see what you mean now about her possibly being spared the death penalty.

MeenaMom
06-21-2011, 12:42 PM
There is a Grand Square going on today Sun and Mercury in Cancer, Uranus in Aries, Saturn in Libra and Pluto in Capricorn and as would be expected, Mr Baez is not having a good day today:crazy:

Paulette
06-21-2011, 01:28 PM
There is a Grand Square going on today Sun and Mercury in Cancer, Uranus in Aries, Saturn in Libra and Pluto in Capricorn and as would be expected, Mr Baez is not having a good day today:crazy:

Asteroid "Jose" was 29 Leo on May 24th. At 29 Leo is the fixed star Regulus, which is known as The Royal Star - gives royal or kingly powers.

"Regulus is also known as the Ruler, the Lawgiver. When we think of the word Regulus it can be held as a regulator. In the dictionary, regulate means "to make regular; put in good order; adjust by rule." A regulator is "one who or that which regulates; a lever for regulating motion."

Of course, as with anything good that is abused, there is a downside. If one abuses the powers of this degree there can be a fall from grace.

The funny thing is that "Skuld" (the future) was at 0 Virgo, and "Jose" would be at that degree the next day!!!

http://www.souledout.org/cosmology/highlights/regulushighlights/regulushighlights.html

Kat
06-22-2011, 07:03 AM
If one of our astrologers has time and doesn't mind to have a looksee could you please give us some insight into KC's frame of mind at this time?

Many thanks!

Tuba
06-22-2011, 09:03 AM
Just scrutinising facial poses and expressions, I'd have to say extremely angry. Wouldn't you? After we really look and study, especially the eyes and mouth. We have to remember that we now have both Sun & Mercury in her Moon Sign of the crab, so emotions, emotions, emotions are bound to leak thro.

Soulscape
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
Welcome Home, Tuba!

You have been sorely missed and I am delighted and overjoyed to see you back. As always, your continued astrological insights regarding this case (as well as other cases on this Forum) are eagerly awaited.

Love & Hugs,
Soulscape

smolea
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
I would like to comment on ICA's rising sign. Cindy Anthony has a Gemini Sun. I have read that sometimes a child will have the ascendent in the same sign as one of the parents' sun. They are likely to be told that they are so much like that parent, but are actually nothing like them - they only appear that way (Asc). This often makes the child a disappointment to the parent as they can never live up to what they seem to be. This reminds me of Cindy Anthony on the stand talking about how much alike she and ICA are, and how she sees herself in her daughter - when in reality, they aren't very much alike at all. Gemini Rising seems appropriate for ICA as it may give her a proclivity to lie.

This hypothetically places chart ruler, Mercury, afflicted by her Mars/Uranus conjunction in the 9th or 10th House. More appropriate in the 9th as there are bits of truth to her lies.

The Complete Book of Astrology By Ada Aubin, June Rifkin says this about Gemini Rising :

"Gemini Rising has a dual nature, and on the rising sign, that Mercurial quality is going to show up immediately. Gemini Rising is fickle. He(or She) is doing a balancing act and can't afford to deal with everything as though it were going to be a career, so he touches and gathers here, picks a brain over there, and so on...he accumulates enough information to keep on going without staying in one place for too long.

If afflicted, Gemini Rising can be nothing more that a gossip. He can play games, the most common of which is that, when you are intellectual with him, he is emotional, and vice versa. Worst of all, once he makes you lose your equilibrium or temper, he'll get very cold-blooded.

MeenaMom
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
I am wondering since we are still feeling the effects of the eclipse and since the grand cross was approaching which happened yesterday, if on Saturday somehow Baez's strategy has changed? That perhaps he knows he is going to lose and since according to Dr Lillian Glass he is aware he WILL have some other career choices that in fact he has given up and is throwing the case so Casey will be able to say "I had Inadequate Council". Her body language and anger toward him (in my humble opinion) states she has lost a bit of faith in him. Perhaps he has said after Saturdays debacle "Look Honey, we are going to lose, your going to just have to say you had Inadequate Council and perhaps they will give you another trial?" She was certainly feeling the tension of that grand cross energy yesterday it was so clear in her face.
Just a thought I am throwing out.

Tuba so many people including myself are going to be so happy you have returned.

I have a Princess Tea with my little 5 year old today, something Caylee should be allowed to have enjoyed. :(

MeenaMom
06-22-2011, 10:00 AM
Also according to Carol Dodson's book Horoscopes of the U.S States and Cities, Florida is a Pisces State with a Capricorn Moon and Geminii rising. Orlando is a Cancer Sun, Pisces Moon, Libra rising with Jupiter on top of that Libra rising. Could this have any effect on the outcome of the trial ?Because at first glance it could be more favorable for Mr Baez and ICA. I know very little about location astrology but Orlando and Florida seem harmonious with ICA? I just acquired the book and wondered if the location of the trial would effect the outcome? Thanks

FifthEssence
06-22-2011, 10:15 AM
TUBA's back in town!!!!!!

We're so happy to see you


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/dancingCHILEpeppers-1.gif

Tuba
06-22-2011, 10:23 AM
Yes, Orlando and this trial site should favour her Moon (Cancer), although, always remember her Moon directly squares her Venus. Venus has so much to do with litigation, even criminal litigation because Libra (although NOT Taurus) is one of the two Signs pertaining to LAW.

On this same subj., everyone we can view (which excludes, of course, the jurors, looks exceedingly handsome & lovely. This includes the parents and both teams. Therefore, I find total lack of interest in written descriptions on all web sites of hair and dress. Why bother? yet it nearly introduces the reports in print. Also, of course!, his Honour looks elegant and magnifique in his jurist robes. Let's get to the substance, pul--eeze, 4th Estate. Calling all editions......stick to the NEWS! At least, the televised productions make no ref. to clothes & hair. The picture frames and moving footage are more than adequate for such glimpses and windows to perception, don't you think?

Tuba
06-22-2011, 10:31 AM
I am wondering since we are still feeling the effects of the eclipse and since the grand cross was approaching which happened yesterday, if on Saturday somehow Baez's strategy has changed? That perhaps he knows he is going to lose and since according to Dr Lillian Glass he is aware he WILL have some other career choices that in fact he has given up and is throwing the case so Casey will be able to say "I had Inadequate Council". Her body language and anger toward him (in my humble opinion) states she has lost a bit of faith in him. Perhaps he has said after Saturdays debacle "Look Honey, we are going to lose, your going to just have to say you had Inadequate Council and perhaps they will give you another trial?" She was certainly feeling the tension of that grand cross energy yesterday it was so clear in her face.
Just a thought I am throwing out.

Tuba so many people including myself are going to be so happy you have returned.

I have a Princess Tea with my little 5 year old today, something Caylee should be allowed to have enjoyed. :(

As you by now know, I have a firmly held opinion that Jose Angel Baez would never sacrifice his education and his legal standing as a professional to create an avenue to "inadequate counsel". He is making every effort (sometimes well over the lls.) to create a mosaic defense. And I also cite him for COURAGE. He has not tried a Capital Case heretofore but he is trying with every talent vouchsafed to him to defend the Prisoner. The insults and the contest on the courtroom floor are fascinating and partly for the immediacy of the back and forth responses between counsel. Then there is the judicial interplay and--not to forget--the jury. All in all, this is the best court coverage I have ever witnessed and I have seen many from the in-court vantage. On with the trial! (Damn those budget meetings!) But then, I'm biblical about money. Regard the lilies of the field. They neither spin nor do they toil. Their needs are ALWAYS answered and that is heavenly promise.

TakingALook
06-22-2011, 10:34 AM
OT, sorry, But just have to say GOOD MORNING MS Tuba; it is so wonderful to have you BACK. You have been greatly missed.

Soulscape
06-22-2011, 11:49 AM
MOON went void last night and will not enter the next sign (Aries) until tomorrow morning.


Jun 21, 2011 10:51 PM Moo Sqr Ven V/C
Jun 23, 2011 4:24 AM Moo enters Aries



It is possible that "nothing will come of" today's proceedings...


Thanks,
Soulscape

watchinginky
06-22-2011, 11:56 AM
MOON went void last night and will not enter the next sign (Aries) until tomorrow morning.


Jun 21, 2011 10:51 PM Moo Sqr Ven V/C
Jun 23, 2011 4:24 AM Moo enters Aries



It is possible that "nothing will come of" today's proceedings...


Thanks,
Soulscape

Just from what I've seen this morning, this appears to be true. Witnesses are testifying, there have been a few sidebars, but nothing compared to yesterday. Things are moving right along, but it does seem that not a whole lot is being accomplished. JMO

katydid23
06-22-2011, 01:42 PM
I would like to comment on ICA's rising sign. Cindy Anthony has a Gemini Sun. I have read that sometimes a child will have the ascendent in the same sign as one of the parents' sun. They are likely to be told that they are so much like that parent, but are actually nothing like them - they only appear that way (Asc). This often makes the child a disappointment to the parent as they can never live up to what they seem to be. This reminds me of Cindy Anthony on the stand talking about how much alike she and ICA are, and how she sees herself in her daughter - when in reality, they aren't very much alike at all. Gemini Rising seems appropriate for ICA as it may give her a proclivity to lie.

This hypothetically places chart ruler, Mercury, afflicted by her Mars/Uranus conjunction in the 9th or 10th House. More appropriate in the 9th as there are bits of truth to her lies.

The Complete Book of Astrology By Ada Aubin, June Rifkin says this about Gemini Rising :

"Gemini Rising has a dual nature, and on the rising sign, that Mercurial quality is going to show up immediately. Gemini Rising is fickle. He(or She) is doing a balancing act and can't afford to deal with everything as though it were going to be a career, so he touches and gathers here, picks a brain over there, and so on...he accumulates enough information to keep on going without staying in one place for too long.

If afflicted, Gemini Rising can be nothing more that a gossip. He can play games, the most common of which is that, when you are intellectual with him, he is emotional, and vice versa. Worst of all, once he makes you lose your equilibrium or temper, he'll get very cold-blooded.

GOOD POST.

I have always thought she was likely one of the Mutable rising signs. She is very chameleon like and also very inconstant and more reactive than proactive.

Also, there is a weird emphasis or focus upon her hands,[ ruled by GEMINI] She is always wringing them, covering them with her sleeves, or rubbing them. And when she was having her panic attack, it was her hands that were inoperative and painful. Often, the rising sign indicates where one is most vulnerable. We can see her hands are vulnerable, as are her words, which belie her deceit, and show us her cunning and shallow nature. [ Gemini, but only if severely afflicted ]

katydid23
06-22-2011, 02:04 PM
MOON went void last night and will not enter the next sign (Aries) until tomorrow morning.


Jun 21, 2011 10:51 PM Moo Sqr Ven V/C
Jun 23, 2011 4:24 AM Moo enters Aries



It is possible that "nothing will come of" today's proceedings...


Thanks,
Soulscape


I wonder if that is going to be when Baez begins his renewed attack[ Aries] upon George and tries to prove his theory put out in OS. I thought he was going to do that when Mercury entered Cancer,[ Cancer rules the family]but he stayed with his forensics efforts. I was certain he was going to direct his attention at George and the family when the Sun entered Cancer at the solstice. But he stayed on the forensics, trying to poke holes in the states case. I am not sure that has been very effective.

I know I have been incorrect thus far when I predicted that the lead attorney was going to begin trying to prove the story he promised us in his opening statements. So it may never happen. But the 'stars' are asking him for a new beginning tomorrow,[ moon in Aries, approaching sextile to Sun/merc in Cancer]and he will be better off if he listens and responds accordingly. IMO, he either has to begin discussing the theory he presented at the opening, OR he has to give an updated account. But if he just keeps ignoring that shocking story he told us, then the jury is going to lose any faith in him. imoo

Kat
06-22-2011, 02:07 PM
Thank you Tuba!

I appreciate it. :) I had seen flashes of intense anger from her (usually when she was moving to leave the courtroom). I did notice yesterday that she seemed more subdued and I had wondered if she realized that she's not going to leave as she seemed to think she was earlier on.

I suppose it was just wishful thinking on my part that she might just be realizing exactly how dire her situation.

Glad to see you stop by! I was very surprised to see you had my answer, many many thanks! :)

Leomoon80
06-22-2011, 02:12 PM
Re: -Quote (Originally by smolea)---

I would like to comment on ICA's rising sign. Cindy Anthony has a Gemini Sun. I have read that sometimes a child will have the ascendent in the same sign as one of the parents' sun.


My understanding is that the Sun is the traditional "archetype" of the Father (i.e. G.A.)
and the Moon, the traditional Archetype of the Mother (i.e. CA)

Cindy - Gemini Sun personality
Geroge Virgo Sun personality

I think that of course Casey is a mixture of the two on some level of understanding, but not necessarily at all the obvious level.

In other words, no one is born "in a vacuum".

According to ancient texts, the child shall be born with either an Ascendant or a Descendant position, according to the Pre-Natal Epoch position for the Mother (Moon's position) when conceived.

Not sure how that might help you to rectify Casey's natal, but this is the text and accompanying rules for conception and birth :

It's actually a whole lot more complex then this, but this is a start in understanding:


This law was known to the ancients as the "Truitine of Hermes," from Hermes Trismegistus, who first correctly formulated and stated the law as follows: "The place of the Moon at conception becomes the birth ascendant or its opposite point."

"But this proved to be but one-half of a very important law, for while the Ascendant at birth was the place of the Moon at a certain Epoch, the Ascendant or its opposite point at this Epoch was the place of the Moon at birth -- a very remarkable interchange of factors." --E.H. Bailey.

According to the Ancient Wisdom, "The World-Breath has a definite and periodic pulsation, a systole and diastole action, whereby birth and death are controlled." This idea of periodicity, well established by modern science, furthers the idea that birth can take place only in respect to any single locality at intervals, that these intervals are in accord with lunar motion, and that only every seventh impulse of the World-Breath permits of human births.

The modern version of the Prenatal Epoch we first established by the English astrologer known to the astrological world as Sepharial, in the year 1886. It was published by him in 1890. In this he had the collaboration of a trained and veteran scientist, a doctor, who helped him to establish the primary laws of the Prenatal Epoch by years of painstaking research and actual experiments. This doctor was an expert obstetrician and proved the laws of the Prenatal Epoch by actual firsthand data.

http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm

The Prenatal Epoch - Astrologers' Community


the Four Laws of the Epoch

Leomoon80
06-22-2011, 02:22 PM
As you by now know, I have a firmly held opinion that Jose Angel Baez would never sacrifice his education and his legal standing as a professional to create an avenue to "inadequate counsel". He is making every effort (sometimes well over the lls.) to create a mosaic defense. And I also cite him for COURAGE. He has not tried a Capital Case heretofore but he is trying with every talent vouchsafed to him to defend the Prisoner. The insults and the contest on the courtroom floor are fascinating and partly for the immediacy of the back and forth responses between counsel. Then there is the judicial interplay and--not to forget--the jury. All in all, this is the best court coverage I have ever witnessed and I have seen many from the in-court vantage. On with the trial! (Damn those budget meetings!) But then, I'm biblical about money. Regard the lilies of the field. They neither spin nor do they toil. Their needs are ALWAYS answered and that is heavenly promise.

I agree!

Any one of us in the position of the Defendant as in this case, would have a true advocate for us in Jose Baez. I don't see how she could have fared better quite frankly, with no money in her stockpile to pay for the "Dream Team" likes of OJ Simpson for the Dream Team lawyers who defended both the Bakely case or the more recent case of Wall of Sound creator -
Phil Spector, all with very deep pockets of cash available for the best money can buy. (or so they would say)

However, if I'm ever in any trouble such as this young woman is, give me Jose Baez any day, he's amazing.

I've also read somewhere that he is the product of a single mother home, so perhaps has more compassion and empathy then had he not been, with Casey's case and her position.

I believe he has Sun/Mercury in fair minded Libra and Neptune/Venus in deep and probing Scorpio, not a superficial sign by any means.
All good for Law.

Tuba
06-22-2011, 05:17 PM
Right, Leomoon & ! he shares your Leo Moon.

Leomoon80
06-22-2011, 05:35 PM
Right, Leomoon & ! he shares your Leo Moon.

:seeya: I noticed that! :rocker:

Must be a good guy. Leo Moon's often are largesse in their feelings and fight for the underdogs.

Often too, they set their own mother on a pedestal up "high" perhaps too much so, out of reality. My mom was my heroine in this lifetime, and the Moon we see as Mother archetype. I would think Jose Baez also put his mother up high in his heart and mind. The way he perceived her. Would be interesting to know of their relationship.

She always fought for the underdog too. (she had a SAG Sun/Libra Moon) Not sure how she would have viewed this case however.
That's a tough one to call, even for me to know how she may have seen it. Hmmm. Probably changing her mind depending on the
input from a neighbor or if from me, (mutable SAG). She wasn't always married to a fixed notion.

I think Tricia on this site shares her birth "day".


:)

Tuba
06-22-2011, 05:52 PM
Here are some additional powerful traits of the Leo, and the Moon can be as important as the Sun for many (m. or f.): Jose Baez directs the action for his team and has strong organisational abilitiy. I have often thought & said, "Leo can walk the globe as a Johnny Appelseed or Gulliver in boots." They traverse and transverse the larger scene in all of its aspects or, facets (not to confuse the issue w. astrology). So he is w/o doubt the executive in this defense axn, just as Cheney-Mason can direct as well but the overall perception yields to the Leo Moon.

Tuba
06-22-2011, 05:55 PM
Of course, Angel Baez also has the Virgo Mars & Jupiter, so attention to detail is natural for him but this fluid and dishonest Prisoner and her machinations does not allow for the careful pains he would otherwise take to "get it all strictly lined up and correct". Then too, Jose Baez has the zero Uranus in law Sign Libra and therefore is always victorious over heavy hands like those of Sun at zero Libra. Guess who?

katydid23
06-22-2011, 08:05 PM
Of course, Angel Baez also has the Virgo Mars & Jupiter, so attention to detail is natural for him but this fluid and dishonest Prisoner and her machinations does not allow for the careful pains he would otherwise take to "get it all strictly lined up and correct". Then too, Jose Baez has the zero Uranus in law Sign Libra and therefore is always victorious over heavy hands like those of Sun at zero Libra. Guess who?

WOW. That is so very well said. With VIRGO being the home of 'detail' and the 'natural order of things,' that might indicate Baez would be perfectly organized and on top of the details. But Jupiter is in detriment in Virgo, and fiery Mars is way too impatient to be effective there. Baez has no time for investigating/assimilating the necessary details and facts. He likes to just 'wing it' and trusts it will work out ok. With Jupiter there sometimes it does. He seems to overlook supremely vital information until it is too late.[Mars in Virgo] Some legal analysts are saying that his ineptness, [like not looking at the jail house tapes in time to have them redacted for example] may actually reverse any upcoming guilty verdict.

I think the Uranus in Libra makes him think he was destined [Uranus]to be a lawyer.[Libra] But I think he may end up being someone 'connected' to law, like a media talking head, not necessarily a practicing attorney for long. imo.He is a great figure head and does a good job emoting for his clients, especially in the media, but he plays fast and loose with the truth, imo.

nanny1
06-22-2011, 08:15 PM
Just scrutinising facial poses and expressions, I'd have to say extremely angry. Wouldn't you? After we really look and study, especially the eyes and mouth. We have to remember that we now have both Sun & Mercury in her Moon Sign of the crab, so emotions, emotions, emotions are bound to leak thro.

Yea Tuba is back !! :great: We missed you.:great:

katydid23
06-22-2011, 08:16 PM
:seeya: I noticed that! :rocker:

Must be a good guy. Leo Moon's often are largesse in their feelings and fight for the underdogs.

Often too, they set their own mother on a pedestal up "high" perhaps too much so, out of reality. My mom was my heroine in this lifetime, and the Moon we see as Mother archetype. I would think Jose Baez also put his mother up high in his heart and mind. The way he perceived her. Would be interesting to know of their relationship.

She always fought for the underdog too. (she had a SAG Sun/Libra Moon) Not sure how she would have viewed this case however.
That's a tough one to call, even for me to know how she may have seen it. Hmmm. Probably changing her mind depending on the
input from a neighbor or if from me, (mutable SAG). She wasn't always married to a fixed notion.

I think Tricia on this site shares her birth "day".


:)

Your mom sounds like an amazing woman. I am not sure I would put Baez up there on that pedestal with her though. He is not fighting for the underdog, imo. Casey ruled the roost, she is no underdog.
Zenaida Gonzales, Vasco, Roy Kronk, THOSE are the true underdogs,imo. And Baez is driving a bus right over them, all innocent bystanders, as far as I can see. Maybe his Venus/Neptune in Scorpio helps him live by the 'by any means necessary' motto.

momshrink
06-22-2011, 08:21 PM
Just scrutinising facial poses and expressions, I'd have to say extremely angry. Wouldn't you? After we really look and study, especially the eyes and mouth. We have to remember that we now have both Sun & Mercury in her Moon Sign of the crab, so emotions, emotions, emotions are bound to leak thro.

Tuba!!! You are back!!! So happy to see you :great::great::great:

Tuba
06-22-2011, 08:25 PM
Sometime in the vague mists of time between June of 2008 and now, June 2011, it was mentioned that Casey or as I refer to the accused, The Prisoner, is a Joe Bfttz, whose black cloud contaminates all of us. Speaking just for myself, a prolific commentator of her case, I do know that the incidence of this case has brought nought but bad times to me, with the counterpoint that I so enjoy Websleuths and all of us who correspond here.

momshrink
06-22-2011, 09:06 PM
Sometime in the vague mists of time between June of 2008 and now, June 2011, it was mentioned that Casey or as I refer to the accused, The Prisoner, is a Joe Bfttz, whose black cloud sontaminates all of us. Speaking just for myself, a prolific commentator of her case, I do know that the incidence of this case has brought nought but bad times to me, with the counterpoint that I so enjoy Websleuths and all of us who correspond here.

Tuba, I have found this to be true for me, also. I have pulled away and not spent as much time watching or reading about this case. I have found myself having feelings of hatred toward ICA - this is not ME! I am not and do not want to be that sort of person. I'm curious - do the charts show a large or even global influence or fame to be accorded to ICA?

coastal
06-22-2011, 09:10 PM
Sometime in the vague mists of time between June of 2008 and now, June 2011, it was mentioned that Casey or as I refer to the accused, The Prisoner, is a Joe Bfttz, whose black cloud sontaminates all of us. Speaking just for myself, a prolific commentator of her case, I do know that the incidence of this case has brought nought but bad times to me, with the counterpoint that I so enjoy Websleuths and all of us who correspond here.
Dear Tuba, oh, welcome back!! I have missed you, so much so! I do hope your cloudy skies are clearing - am sending you some southern Cali sunshine to make sure, along with hugs and my best wishes. No clouds especially mucking things up here, but that means we don't get many rainbows, either, and I do love those.

It's good to see you!

katydid23
06-22-2011, 09:20 PM
Sometime in the vague mists of time between June of 2008 and now, June 2011, it was mentioned that Casey or as I refer to the accused, The Prisoner, is a Joe Bfttz, whose black cloud sontaminates all of us. Speaking just for myself, a prolific commentator of her case, I do know that the incidence of this case has brought nought but bad times to me, with the counterpoint that I so enjoy Websleuths and all of us who correspond here.

I think that you and a very few others here took on a huge psychic burden in this case. I am not sure that everyone understands how intense it can be in trying to get inside a chart and reveal it's truths and intricacies. Tuba, you went above and beyond that call of duty. You did that with all of your heart and it takes a toll. I think others here have felt the same effect from that burden. There is also a huge psychic toll when so many others are looking to YOU for your insights and answers. I totally understand why you needed and may still feel the need for a break from it all. As they say " Your thoughts are prayers" and so when our thoughts are focussed on tragic cases like this it may have a negative affect on our own realities. I am hoping for a successful verdict and climax to this trial so we can all get some resolution and closure. Maybe the Saturn in Libra will allow this for us all. { Although it is about to conjunct my natal Saturn for it's second return.]

Jenny60123
06-22-2011, 09:22 PM
Welcome home Tuba! xo
I also have felt a need to step away. Not from my love and support of Caylee, that will never end. But from my needing to keep up on every ugly detail. I felt the need to reimmerse (SP? WORD? LOL) myself in my own precious little gifts, my son and daughter. I hope that all of our wonderful astrologers feel comfortable taking the time they need. You can't give of yourself if your own well is empty. Remember to take care of yourselves. <3

MissJames
06-22-2011, 10:04 PM
Sometime in the vague mists of time between June of 2008 and now, June 2011, it was mentioned that Casey or as I refer to the accused, The Prisoner, is a Joe Bfttz, whose black cloud contaminates all of us. Speaking just for myself, a prolific commentator of her case, I do know that the incidence of this case has brought nought but bad times to me, with the counterpoint that I so enjoy Websleuths and all of us who correspond here.

I have recently been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis ,which is an auto-immune disease. I have considered that my obsession ,my anger,my self-righteous attitude about the players in this case,may be a contributor.
I think if it was not this case,though, I'd just find something else.
In other words,yes it has impacted me,but it stems from me.Does that make sense?

So glad to have you home,Tuba!

Extrasuper
06-22-2011, 10:13 PM
Sometime in the vague mists of time between June of 2008 and now, June 2011, it was mentioned that Casey or as I refer to the accused, The Prisoner, is a Joe Bfttz, whose black cloud contaminates all of us. Speaking just for myself, a prolific commentator of her case, I do know that the incidence of this case has brought nought but bad times to me, with the counterpoint that I so enjoy Websleuths and all of us who correspond here.


Tuba, lucky us that you are back. You were and will continue to be in all of our prayers.

I am not an anstrologer but I have certainly experienced bad times also and found myself wondering if this case was sending out black clouds on me.

On another note, would someone please correct me if I am wrong. In an interview with Krystal, did Krystal not say that George told her that "he" threw Casey against the wall and chocked her; however, during an interview with Lee, did he not say "Cindy" threw Casey against the wall and chocked her?

Again, welcome back Tuba..:great:

Extrasuper
06-22-2011, 10:24 PM
Welcome back, Tuba. You were greatly missed and to know that you are on the job again is marvelous, just marvelous.

Strange that you mention that back cloud as I share your thoughts. Have actually questioned as to what extent has this black cloud hoovered over my family.

On another note, someone please correct me if I heard wrong but during an interview with Lee Anthony, did he not tell someone that Cindy threw Casey against a wall and chocked her, whereas in an interview with Krystal (?), did Krystal not say that George told her "he" threw Casey against a wall and chocked her?

Again, welcome home, Tuba.:great::great::great:

passionflower
06-22-2011, 10:30 PM
Missed you dear TUBA!
(((hugs))) glad you are back!

TeaBird
06-22-2011, 10:42 PM
Welcome back, Tuba! Now that your back and hardly rested, lol. let's cut to the chase. Will there be a mistrial or will it go to a finish with an verdict?

If there is a verdict, will it be guilty of murder1, 2 or manslaughter? Obviously, I've been waiting for you! I feel without looking at the stars above, that there is no chance of an acquittal.

Capri
06-22-2011, 10:59 PM
Welcome back Tuba! I can imagine that the immersion you and other astros have put yourselves into to help understand this case, is taking its toll. Please take care of yourself. What's done is done, as far as Caylee is concerned, and I believe karma will take care of the rest.....so please make yourself 1st priority when needed :)

FifthEssence
06-22-2011, 11:35 PM
respectfully shortened

On another note, someone please correct me if I heard wrong but during an interview with Lee Anthony, did he not tell someone that Cindy threw Casey against a wall and chocked her, whereas in an interview with Krystal (?), did Krystal not say that George told her "he" threw Casey against a wall and chocked her?


I think you might get more clarification out in Caylee's main WS forum as to if and when that may have happen.

Capri
06-22-2011, 11:39 PM
Interesting little tidbit to come out tonight...posting here in case it ends up having some relevance. Will try to get the time locked down, if needed.

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr267/photologie/Snagit1-113.png

MeenaMom
06-22-2011, 11:46 PM
In the beginning I was horribly emotional about this case and this is why.
In the beginning I had to process really old feelings, because my family 20 years ago was as dysfunctional as this one and my mom was SO much like Cindy it was UNCANNY.
I did NOT kill my child in an act of anger or revenge(even if I had feelings of extreme anger and resentment toward mother) and my firstborn ended up good, she is 21 now and about to have her firstborn girl ( a Leo). My son is 19 and a superstar and my youngest is being parented by a grown women who has now had a ton of counceling and 12 step work behind her. I am not perfect but a wonderful work in progress.

The Hades Moon: Pluto in aspect to the Moon, by Judy Hall is my among my Favorite all time astrology books. It talks about the Dark side of mothering like no other. You will see that in the beginning when I rectified the chart I did it on intuition that Pluto MUST be in aspect to ICA's Moon and while intuition is not valued on this thread if y'all have read the book you would understand the method to my madness. Judy Hall argues that this Dark Mothering is passed down from generation to generation. Part of some kind of Karma we must work out. And in true Pluto form hopefully we rise from those ashes and don't kill our offspring.

I am grateful I became obsessed with this case in the beginning because It shined a light to what was unhealed in my psyche, my deep deep resentment toward my mother for her interference with my oldest. And we are good. Not perfect, but acceptable.
If you haven't read the book and know a bit about astrology I HIGHLY suggest it.
And I apologize from the bottom of my heart for all my emotional posts back in 2008 before I processed what was really going on.
There are personality disorders ALL OVER this family, and while some would disagree with me the family darkness is also responsible, while they did not "Pull the Trigger" they certainly allowed ICA and her madness not to just happen but to thrive.

I miss Angel who cares and hope she is well

Paulette
06-23-2011, 12:06 AM
Jose Baez may not have a Leo Moon if he was born on or after 1 p.m. At 1 p.m. the Moon is 0:01 Virgo. IMO, what carries the day for him is Venus & Neptune sextile Jupiter. And of course his Sun conjunct Mercury in Libra.

FifthEssence
06-23-2011, 12:06 AM
Welcome back, Tuba! Now that your back and hardly rested, lol. let's cut to the chase. Will there be a mistrial or will it go to a finish with an verdict?

If there is a verdict, will it be guilty of murder1, 2 or manslaughter? Obviously, I've been waiting for you! I feel without looking at the stars above, that there is no chance of an acquittal.

I can't speak for Tuba, but allow me to say this much:
No crystal balls here. Astrology offers different 'possibilities' and in this case as we've all experienced, there are too many factors to consider at this time. With the analysis of both Opening Statement charts promising many twists and turns along w/the more recent Defense Rebuttal phase chart, the Indictment chart, Jury Swearing-in chart and of course KC's transits and so on, THAT's a MAJOR PUZZLE to sort through and piece together. We don't have a date & time the jury will begin the deliberation. THAT date is equally as important.
We're just going to have to be a little bit more patient and let the Trial process happen.
Perhaps when it's deliberation time, in addition to all of the above considerations along with KC's transits at that time, maybe then, we'll have a better idea.

Let's everyone take a deep breath.

Leomoon80
06-23-2011, 12:53 AM
I do think it is important for us to all realize that what Carl Jung speaks of may apply in this case, that of projection. We do have the tendency as human beings to project onto the other, what we ourselves contain deep within that often has no way of coming out other then through another, as a "mirror" of sorts.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/carl_jung.html

I'm not suggesting any of us would actually kill our child, that's not at all what Jung was speaking about, rather that in projecting the internal portions that have not been adequately integrated to the personality structure, we heap loads of anger, turmoil, upset etc. upon the collective at large and occassionally, such as in this case, there is an easier "outlet" that is easily collectively agreed upon for all to squash with our otherwise, unused Black Moon Lilith "stuff" or shadow self.

I have my BML conjunct the Galactic Center, and believe me, it's not funny ! When some of the worse times in my life occurred, it so happened that the BML would be hit by a serious enough transit (Pluto, is the more recent one to have done so)

Next comes Pluto over my 6th,.....and it's never fun times. So check the transit of Pluto to your natal charts to see if this has something or other to do with transforming energies, it may not be the case at all, but rather Pluto and time itself. Knocking on our doors.

A friend of mine tells me there is a massive Black Hole there, (where my BML is located) at the GC; that consumes everything in the universe over time.

Hmmm.

Black Hole Astrology is a whole nother' ballgame. Masers, Tasers, Quasars, (oh my) and some are very proficient at it.
Maybe Alex Mangione will do a Black-Hole Analogy on the Casey Anthony case before long.
I'll ask my friend if he has yet and if so, let you know. She writes to him off and on and perhaps she has done a chart (Black Hole, Quasers, etc) on Casey A.

http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/aarch08/0801jan/alex.shtml

Here are a few of his archived articles, I didn't see one on Casey however when I glanced through them.
http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/dk00-09/alexlist.shtml

Alex says about himself with some funny self-deprecating wit about him:


His pioneering work with Black Holes in astrological interpretation began in 1991, when his progressed Sun unwittingly fell into one.


My BML is here (26SAG), so everyone's got something I'd say: :(

http://www.horary.com/hhcrl/galact.html


In the late 1960's, astronomers finally honed in on the GC (Galactic Center) with radio and infrared instruments. They were astounded by the immense energies to be found there. A huge Black Hole is thought to be at the center, about the size of a large star, but containing the mass of four million suns. The staggering amount of material being drawn into the black hole radiates energy at many frequencies.

Tuba
06-23-2011, 12:55 AM
Well, Paulette, we will have to agree to disagree. For me it is all too clear that his Leo Moon at 90 deg. angle to his Venus-Neptune is finding full expression in this, his first capital case. I don't buy into the office affair but instead see Venus-Neptune as a way many, especially Leos, are prone to romanticise events and their own participation in them, just as in the Romantic Movement in the 1800's in literature. His Leo Moon, at the same time, was put to great extraordinary effort (the square) by this very same romanticising of the task before him and the hoped for innocence of his client. Recall, it wasn't until the remains were found that he was hit hard by the truth. As he said in revulsion on At Large w. Geraldo Rivera, "She is a (consumate) liar." The disillusionment was palpable. Yes, and a portion of disenchantment too.
So, for this and many other reasons, I am convinced Baez has a Leo Moon position and that it is in square to his Enchantment with defending this needy maiden in distress. So called in the Summer of '08.

I also believe his Saturn in Aries opposite the natal Sun-Mercury stands him in good stead. Stead is the operative word as he does find steadiness from that aspect. Very little throws him off his innate balance.

Tuba
06-23-2011, 01:05 AM
momshrink, Yes, I do think the cloud of the Prisoner's notoriety has reached across the waters to some extent. Neptune is the planet of the zeitgeist of a period in time and Neptune is now residing in its home Sign of Pisces, Sun Sign of the Prisoner. This spirit of the times affects the globe (assuredly not merely from the case before us). But the Prisoner's predicament is widespread from the instant communications of the days we live in. And, her capital crime(s). The fact that Neptune forms a complex w. Pluto and Jupiter in Taure and also with a significant semi-sextile to Uranus only expands the significance and the public following because the planetary support is difficult to avoid. If Neptune at the front of Pisces doesn't hit you (in your chart), then one of the other members of the complex will and thus, like tinker toys, one thing leads to another and you are drawn into this courtroom scene. I think your q. is v. worthwhile and thank you for it.

Lightchaser
06-23-2011, 01:09 AM
Sometime in the vague mists of time between June of 2008 and now, June 2011, it was mentioned that Casey or as I refer to the accused, The Prisoner, is a Joe Bfttz, whose black cloud contaminates all of us. Speaking just for myself, a prolific commentator of her case, I do know that the incidence of this case has brought nought but bad times to me, with the counterpoint that I so enjoy Websleuths and all of us who correspond here. w if other contributors have similarly suffered personal indignities and pain. Please comment!

Hi Tuba it is very nice to see you posting again. I can understand what you are talking about and it seems there is an unhealthy obsession by the public over this case. I left another forum back in 2008 because of the ridiculous aggressive and nasty behavior of people. I just wasn't looking for that kind of a connection in the forumiverse. I found WS and loved the fact that the mods work so hard to keep on topic here and that I can combine my curiosity with a hobby which is astrology. It puts things in perspective and takes the emotion out. We all come here for different reasons and and if it causes stress and or illness, pain or takes you away from the living breathing people in your life then that is when it is time to put some space in between it. Thank you for sharing and you aren't alone in those feelings.
Maybe exploring the question about this crazy energy would be interesting. When people are knocking each other's teeth out at the court house to just sit in on a session makes me think it's just gone over the edge. I hope it has something to do with setting a precedent or starting something big for missing/murdered children etc. If anything it will be great for all the psych/behaviorists as a case study.

:twocents:

Tuba
06-23-2011, 01:10 AM
The fascination of the case and the crimes has more to do w. the adorable nature and winning ways of the precious victim than it does with shadow side projections, not that those are not a usual component of opprobrium & hatred directed at the criminals amongst us. As the Chinese long ago wisely said thro Confucius. "Man invents a crime and then finds somebody to commit it." But not only is death different as you hear in this court, but this case is not your pedestrain murder trial, non plus.

LawRig
06-23-2011, 01:23 AM
The fascination of the case and the crimes has more to do w. the adorable nature and winning ways of the precious victim than it does with shadow side projections, not that those are not a usual component of opprobrium & hatred directed at the criminals amongst us. As the Chinese long ago wisely said thro Confucius. "Man invents a crime and then finds somebody to commit it." But not only is death different as you hear in this court, but this case is not your pedestrain murder trial, non plus.

respectfully bbm

Welcome home Tuba, and please, take care of yourself. We are all too fond of you to see you sacrifice any self essence (such incredible talent and compassion) for this case, and prefer that you do what is best for you. It is your presence we have missed most. I enjoy your contributions on this forum but I treasure the personality behind the work more.

I believe in balance and the universe will strive to right itself in that end. so keep that in mind when tempted to let the darkness hover too long from this case, and remember your own words re: the adorable nature and winning ways of the precious victim. The shadows surely arise from the wickedness in the defendant, but so too does Caylee's light and what will be will be in the end. I have a simple faith that good still counts for much, and in the final balance the scales will tip ever so slightly towards the light. Dwell on that and it will help offset the negative effects.

In this case the good men are not "doing nothing" and therefore evil shall not prevail.

Thank you for returning and sharing yourself with us.

Tuba
06-23-2011, 01:29 AM
I have defended George & Cindy before but mainly in the Main Forum, not here. However, reminder: Cynthia always did say she wanted only to KNOW the Truth. I believed her long ago when she said it, and I believe her now. But some may remember that it was written her progressed Sun would conjoin Caylee's Saturn at this period and the depression at what her grand daughter suffered would be nigh unbearable. It has truly come to pass. Undoubtedly, she and Geo. did everything to provide an avenue for the awful truth NOT to be what it is.

Carolina Girl
06-23-2011, 01:58 AM
Welcome back Tuba,
I too have had a rough three years. I have Fibromyalgia, and osteoarthritis, just to name a quick couple of things wrong. Lot of bad things going on in the world. May they one day soon turn around for the better. Glad you are back.

Queenofwands
06-23-2011, 07:57 AM
Welcome back, Tuba!
You have been sorely missed. :woohoo:

Tuba
06-23-2011, 08:36 AM
My sense and astrology tell me that today is the Prosecution's. Every which way tilting as in way over in an arcing side bend. Prisoner is having a middling day, oddly. Far from her past & future worst.

Just an angry word about the cotton threads missing from the Henkel tape & speaking aslaundress of many years, like most of us. If you leave a tablecloth twisting in the wind on one of those fondly remembered clothes lines, thro sun and rain and blow, the tablecloth rots. Soon, holes form, big as a dinner plate. I happen by chance to have in my custody a tee shirt sz. lg. for boys, abandoned in my side yard. The weather has already performed its alterations upon the cotton thread of which it's sewn. The threads have become brittle and will break, if pressed. I do not understand why the expert failed to consider this explanation for the missing tape cotton threads in her testimony yesterday. As an expert, perhaps she has never washed cloth or even a cloth.

Cabin girl
06-23-2011, 10:07 AM
My sense and astrology tell me that today is the Prosecution's. Every which way tilting as in way over in an arcing side bend.

Thank you Tuba and welcome back! It is good to read your quote above. A good day for the prosecution is a good day for justice. This case wears on you and I often find myself pulling away and being drawn back in. I find I am often in need of a break but always like to hear some positive information regarding the prosecution. Thank you.

watchinginky
06-23-2011, 11:45 AM
I have defended George & Cindy before but mainly in the Main Forum, not here. However, reminder: Cynthia always did say she wanted only to KNOW the Truth. I believed her long ago when she said it, and I believe her now. But some may remember that it was written her progressed Sun would conjoin Caylee's Saturn at this period and the depression at what her grand daughter suffered would be nigh unbearable. It has truly come to pass. Undoubtedly, she and Geo. did everything to provide an avenue for the awful truth NOT to be what it is.

Tuba....I'm so glad you're back. We've really missed you. I remember what you are referencing above and I could see this hitting Cindy really hard when she was on the witness stand and completely broke down. I posted somewhere up thread that I thought at that time that she had to sit there and listen to her words as well as KC's on those 911 calls. And no doubt all of the testimony about precious Caylee and how she was found really hit home with her and George both. I really felt for her and I still do.

I'm glad to see they have publicly annouced that they no longer belive KC is innocent. IMO, this is a HUGE step for them.

LambChop
06-23-2011, 02:36 PM
My sense and astrology tell me that today is the Prosecution's. Every which way tilting as in way over in an arcing side bend. Prisoner is having a middling day, oddly. Far from her past & future worst.

Just an angry word about the cotton threads missing from the Henkel tape & speaking aslaundress of many years, like most of us. If you leave a tablecloth twisting in the wind on one of those fondly remembered clothes lines, thro sun and rain and blow, the tablecloth rots. Soon, holes form, big as a dinner plate. I happen by chance to have in my custody a tee shirt sz. lg. for boys, abandoned in my side yard. The weather has already performed its alterations upon the cotton thread of which it's sewn. The threads have become brittle and will break, if pressed. I do not understand why the expert failed to consider this explanation for the missing tape cotton threads in her testimony yesterday. As an expert, perhaps she has never washed cloth or even a cloth.

This is true, Tuba. Cotton fields in NC have cotton balls left behind after the November harvest and they are pretty much gone by now, recycled back into the environment. Cotton is a natural fabric and as such breaks down just like food. It takes longer than food but it does break down and in less time than a "Twinkie".

Welcome back.

Leomoon80
06-23-2011, 04:29 PM
Tuba....I'm so glad you're back. We've really missed you. I remember what you are referencing above and I could see this hitting Cindy really hard when she was on the witness stand and completely broke down. I posted somewhere up thread that I thought at that time that she had to sit there and listen to her words as well as KC's on those 911 calls. And no doubt all of the testimony about precious Caylee and how she was found really hit home with her and George both. I really felt for her and I still do.

I'm glad to see they have publicly annouced that they no longer belive KC is innocent. IMO, this is a HUGE step for them.

well, it occurs to me that at least no one can call them consistent as a married couple or parent.

Mercury rules both of their natal charts.....and becomes prominent in the entire saga. The inconsistent natures as well.
Mutable signs, both parents as for the Sun signs.

George has Mercury (rx) at birth 3Virgo and it happens to be semi-square to Neptune (using the default set orbs at astro.com charts)

Cindy has her Mercury 29th deg.of Taurus - direct - and square to Pluto

Asker
06-23-2011, 06:21 PM
I would like to comment on ICA's rising sign. Cindy Anthony has a Gemini Sun. I have read that sometimes a child will have the ascendent in the same sign as one of the parents' sun. They are likely to be told that they are so much like that parent, but are actually nothing like them - they only appear that way (Asc). This often makes the child a disappointment to the parent as they can never live up to what they seem to be. This reminds me of Cindy Anthony on the stand talking about how much alike she and ICA are, and how she sees herself in her daughter - when in reality, they aren't very much alike at all. Gemini Rising seems appropriate for ICA as it may give her a proclivity to lie.

This hypothetically places chart ruler, Mercury, afflicted by her Mars/Uranus conjunction in the 9th or 10th House. More appropriate in the 9th as there are bits of truth to her lies.

The Complete Book of Astrology By Ada Aubin, June Rifkin says this about Gemini Rising :

"Gemini Rising has a dual nature, and on the rising sign, that Mercurial quality is going to show up immediately. Gemini Rising is fickle. He(or She) is doing a balancing act and can't afford to deal with everything as though it were going to be a career, so he touches and gathers here, picks a brain over there, and so on...he accumulates enough information to keep on going without staying in one place for too long.

If afflicted, Gemini Rising can be nothing more that a gossip. He can play games, the most common of which is that, when you are intellectual with him, he is emotional, and vice versa. Worst of all, once he makes you lose your equilibrium or temper, he'll get very cold-blooded.

Everything you say makes great sense. My only other thought is that often the Rising Sign describes the appearance of the individual. I think that Casey has what might be called a "horse shaped" face--very long and thin and with big front teeth. Also she is fairly long and slender in build although not as tall as some Sag's I've known. However, because of her facial features I often wonder if her Rising Sign isn't Sagittarius.

Asker
06-23-2011, 06:34 PM
Jose Baez may not have a Leo Moon if he was born on or after 1 p.m. At 1 p.m. the Moon is 0:01 Virgo. IMO, what carries the day for him is Venus & Neptune sextile Jupiter. And of course his Sun conjunct Mercury in Libra.

A very apt and good observation to make, Paulette. Thank you for doing so. My Mercury is conjunct (Cazmi actually) my Libra Sun. It makes me very focused on the idea of "fairness" but unfortunately it also confers a good measure of indecision which often makes it appear as though I don't know what I want to say when the truth is I'm still juggling different views in my head. Who knows...perhaps some of the Baez's seemingly bumbling or rambling questions are do to thought patterns similar to mine. The one thing I've learned about astrology and aspects in particular is that there is always some good to take with the bad and vice versa.

Asker
06-23-2011, 06:45 PM
well, it occurs to me that at least no one can call them consistent as a married couple or parent.

Mercury rules both of their natal charts.....and becomes prominent in the entire saga. The inconsistent natures as well.
Mutable signs, both parents as for the Sun signs.

George has Mercury (rx) at birth 3Virgo and it happens to be semi-square to Neptune (using the default set orbs at astro.com charts)

Cindy has her Mercury 29th deg.of Taurus - direct - and square to Pluto

Mercury Rx has its own set of issues (I know being the owner of one) and in a sign it rules like Virgo it probably packs a little bigger punch from time to time.

But it is Cindy's Mercury that really caught my attention here. First off, any planet at the 29th degree of any sign is in a critical degree and takes on greater importance in the chart.

Also, the 29th degree of Taurus is where the Pleiades (a fixed star constellation) is located. One of the things that the Pleiades have been called is the Weeping Sisters and another is The Saddest Stars in the Heavens. In Cindy's case this seems apparent. Also, Mercury, generally speaking rules youth and young people according to Rex Bills.

Tuba
06-23-2011, 06:57 PM
Leomoon80, I do agree that there are certain "watch-outs" attendant upon a semi-sq. but it is far from as strong or in any measure equatable to the square. I have a tight semi-sq. to Mars from my Venus; prone to lovers' quarrels, I'm not nor do I experience any other of the problems Carter attributes to the square. KWIM? I don't think George is inherently a daydreamer nor deceptive. Au contraire. He is by nature blunt, direct and honest, to my lights, at least.

Tuba
06-23-2011, 07:03 PM
The Sabian symbol for George's Mercury is "Two guardian angels. Invisible help & protection in times of crisis." Sabian is the combined effort of Elsie Wheeler, clairvoyant and Pastor Marc Edmond Jones.

momshrink
06-23-2011, 07:12 PM
I have recently been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis ,which is an auto-immune disease. I have considered that my obsession ,my anger,my self-righteous attitude about the players in this case,may be a contributor.
I think if it was not this case,though, I'd just find something else.
In other words,yes it has impacted me,but it stems from me.Does that make sense?



I had a similar experience, but different physical problem. Our feelings affect our health - negative produces negative. And I was dealing with a lot of pain and fatigue. Slept for two weekend day, added positive affirmations, eating veggies three or four times a day - and check in on this case every other day, but not reading all of the mud and muck. It sticks to us. What kind of person am I to wish horrible things for someone else because of my hatred for her. Justice is different. It does not involve hate. I cannot get caught up in that. I cannot afford the anger.

TeaBird
06-23-2011, 07:17 PM
I can't speak for Tuba, but allow me to say this much:
No crystal balls here. Astrology offers different 'possibilities' and in this case as we've all experienced, there are too many factors to consider at this time. With the analysis of both Opening Statement charts promising many twists and turns along w/the more recent Defense Rebuttal phase chart, the Indictment chart, Jury Swearing-in chart and of course KC's transits and so on, THAT's a MAJOR PUZZLE to sort through and piece together. We don't have a date & time the jury will begin the deliberation. THAT date is equally as important.
We're just going to have to be a little bit more patient and let the Trial process happen.
Perhaps when it's deliberation time, in addition to all of the above considerations along with KC's transits at that time, maybe then, we'll have a better idea.

Let's everyone take a deep breath.

Thank you, Fifth Essence. Did I tell you "Impatient" is my middle name? Will eagerly read and follow along.

momshrink
06-23-2011, 07:25 PM
I do think it is important for us to all realize that what Carl Jung speaks of may apply in this case, that of projection. We do have the tendency as human beings to project onto the other, what we ourselves contain deep within that often has no way of coming out other then through another, as a "mirror" of sorts.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/carl_jung.html

I'm not suggesting any of us would actually kill our child, that's not at all what Jung was speaking about, rather that in projecting the internal portions that have not been adequately integrated to the personality structure, we heap loads of anger, turmoil, upset etc. upon the collective at large and occassionally, such as in this case, there is an easier "outlet" that is easily collectively agreed upon for all to squash with our otherwise, unused Black Moon Lilith "stuff" or shadow self.

I have my BML conjunct the Galactic Center, and believe me, it's not funny ! When some of the worse times in my life occurred, it so happened that the BML would be hit by a serious enough transit (Pluto, is the more recent one to have done so)

Next comes Pluto over my 6th,.....and it's never fun times. So check the transit of Pluto to your natal charts to see if this has something or other to do with transforming energies, it may not be the case at all, but rather Pluto and time itself. Knocking on our doors.

A friend of mine tells me there is a massive Black Hole there, (where my BML is located) at the GC; that consumes everything in the universe over time.

Hmmm.

Black Hole Astrology is a whole nother' ballgame. Masers, Tasers, Quasars, (oh my) and some are very proficient at it.
Maybe Alex Mangione will do a Black-Hole Analogy on the Casey Anthony case before long.
I'll ask my friend if he has yet and if so, let you know. She writes to him off and on and perhaps she has done a chart (Black Hole, Quasers, etc) on Casey A.

http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/aarch08/0801jan/alex.shtml

Here are a few of his archived articles, I didn't see one on Casey however when I glanced through them.
http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/dk00-09/alexlist.shtml

Alex says about himself with some funny self-deprecating wit about him:




My BML is here (26SAG), so everyone's got something I'd say: :(

http://www.horary.com/hhcrl/galact.html

Leomoon, I love your posts! And I think there is much truth here...... off to check my natal chart.

Paulette
06-23-2011, 08:09 PM
A very apt and good observation to make, Paulette. Thank you for doing so. My Mercury is conjunct (Cazmi actually) my Libra Sun. It makes me very focused on the idea of "fairness" but unfortunately it also confers a good measure of indecision which often makes it appear as though I don't know what I want to say when the truth is I'm still juggling different views in my head. Who knows...perhaps some of the Baez's seemingly bumbling or rambling questions are do to thought patterns similar to mine. The one thing I've learned about astrology and aspects in particular is that there is always some good to take with the bad and vice versa.

I must acquiesce to Tuba on the Moon location. If she attributes JB's Moon qualities to Leo, then I can't argue.

Tuba
06-23-2011, 08:41 PM
TeaBird, you may remember the indictment chart. It is on our 2008 Astro Calendar for October 14. The hold out is Pluto in the jury. Could this be juror #4? There is no indication, however, that the disinclination to punish to the full extent of the law is proof against all persuasion. In the end, an amicus curiae may deliver a searing cap to the prosecution and defenses cases, this swaying the hold-out juror. The Pluto in H. 11 is not! direly aspected; however, stand out it does, simply by 29 deg. position and the House it tenants.

MeenaMom
06-23-2011, 10:37 PM
Hi there,
They were all born in Ohio, and moved here in 1989. We have been using Warren Ohio in casting Natals.
I love looking at your work Leomoon

Lake Erie Princess
06-23-2011, 11:35 PM
Hi there,
They were all born in Ohio, and moved here in 1989. We have been using Warren Ohio in casting Natals.
I love looking at your work Leomoon
Austintown, Ohio to be precise !

TeaBird
06-24-2011, 06:53 AM
TeaBird, you may remember the indictment chart. It is on our 2008 Astro Calendar for October 14. The hold out is Pluto in the jury. Could this be juror #4? There is no indication, however, that the disinclination to punish to the full extent of the law is proof against all persuasion. In the end, an amicus curiae may deliver a searing cap to the prosecution and defenses cases, this swaying the hold-out juror. The Pluto in H. 11 is not! direly aspected; however, stand out it does, simply by 29 deg. position and the House it tenants.

How very kind of you you to respond and so succinctly as well! I thank you and admire your skills greatly!

watchinginky
06-24-2011, 08:43 AM
well, it occurs to me that at least no one can call them consistent as a married couple or parent.

Mercury rules both of their natal charts.....and becomes prominent in the entire saga. The inconsistent natures as well.
Mutable signs, both parents as for the Sun signs.

George has Mercury (rx) at birth 3Virgo and it happens to be semi-square to Neptune (using the default set orbs at astro.com charts)

Cindy has her Mercury 29th deg.of Taurus - direct - and square to Pluto

BBM

Thanks Leomoon. Is this the reason for the change in Cindy's testimony yesterday? It appears she may be willing to go to jail for perjuring (sp) herself. JMO

Leomoon80
06-24-2011, 01:10 PM
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BBM

Thanks Leomoon. Is this the reason for the change in Cindy's testimony yesterday? It appears she may be willing to go to jail for perjuring (sp) herself. JMO

I believe as most Astrologers do in the Western venue, that there is free will and Cindy A. exercises her free will from moment to moment.

There is not a fixed state of affairs for any aspects in a natal chart, there is only the probability quotient of what or what may not occur with a human being. The more critical degrees and/or harsher aspects, the harder not to stumble. Sometimes we also have to remember that the more trines, sextiles and other harmonious aspects, the more "lazy" one gets about their lives and takes the easy way out.
There is no set science to how a human being will behave., and that is what sets them apart from the rest of the world.

Animals are more predictable I think as "bred" or taught to behave or genetically pre-disposed to behave , then human beings might be.
Humans perhaps less frequently "overcome" their birth natal charts, but certainly they can and do often enough too.

Leomoon80
06-24-2011, 05:59 PM
Leomoon80, I do agree that there are certain "watch-outs" attendant upon a semi-sq. but it is far from as strong or in any measure equatable to the square. I have a tight semi-sq. to Mars from my Venus; prone to lovers' quarrels, I'm not nor do I experience any other of the problems Carter attributes to the square. KWIM? I don't think George is inherently a daydreamer nor deceptive. Au contraire. He is by nature blunt, direct and honest, to my lights, at least.

I just saw this Tuba, and yes, I do know what you mean.

I've read the semi-square is sometimes worse then the square (What is the harmonic of the semi-square?)......and the rational behind it, I'm not sure. Looking at my own chart and those of my children, I see my daughter Jen has a semi-square Moon to Saturn, but we always got along just great (moreso then her sister and I). We still do probably because I try never to argue with her. She's a fixed Taurus Moon., lol. Cappy Sun. Scorpio Rising, so I know better then to "go there"

Another daughter had VEnus semi-square to the Sun, yet she got along wonderfully with her dad.
However her own child has Venus semi-square to the Sun as well.......and I think there may be trouble lying in the future for them yet, (the father and daughter) in the future due to things never discussed in the childhood yet.

The oldest daughter I have had the most difficulty with, even today, has no semi-squares in her chart whatsoever, but does have 2 squares to her Moon. :(
I have (same as you) a Venus semi-square to Mars and a Semi-square Venus to my Sun ? Didn't exactly get along with my father.

I do agree that G.A. is not a daydreamer by any means, or doesn't come across as one. Yes - blunt, for certain as we saw him explode many times on his front lawn.

I wonder what the Defense has in store next for GA?

And what the prosecution might do with it?

We should be a "fly on the wall" at these lawyers offices, wouldn't that be special, lol. :)

gamom
06-24-2011, 07:12 PM
TeaBird, you may remember the indictment chart. It is on our 2008 Astro Calendar for October 14. The hold out is Pluto in the jury. Could this be juror #4? There is no indication, however, that the disinclination to punish to the full extent of the law is proof against all persuasion. In the end, an amicus curiae may deliver a searing cap to the prosecution and defenses cases, this swaying the hold-out juror. The Pluto in H. 11 is not! direly aspected; however, stand out it does, simply by 29 deg. position and the House it tenants.
OK, this sound like something worth understanding. Very elequently written..translation??

lolipop
06-24-2011, 10:51 PM
Tuba welcome back! I just wanted to reply to your comment on page 16 I too have felt that this case has brought me down to a level that i'm not comfortable but I try to stay centered and balanced and not let the testimony of the Anthony's get under my skin so too speak. It feels like since everybody all over the world is watching this case there are important lessons for all to learn... love ALL children because they are the greatest gifts to this world and teach them well for they are our future....... Caylee has taken on this huge burden for us to learn from her...

gamom
06-24-2011, 11:03 PM
OK, this sound like something worth understanding. Very elequently written..translation??

Sorry to quote myself. Just wanted to say that I think I figured it out! Thank goodness for google.

Paulette
06-25-2011, 10:33 AM
The asteroid of the day is "Sphinx". It's transiting 2:11 SAG Rx, the MC 2:11 SAG, exact today in the Indictment chart, with Mars transiting the IC (the end of the matter and the roots of the chart).

Courts been cancelled for the day & we don't know why.

FifthEssence
06-25-2011, 11:19 AM
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/GrandJuryIINDICTmastercopy.jpg

Daisy14
06-25-2011, 01:13 PM
Today there is talk (with the cancellation of court) that possibly a Plea Deal is in the works. Just wondering if the great astrologers here have any thoughts on whether astrologically this is a possible outcome of the trial now? if not, any ideas on what may have caused JP to cancel court today.

FifthEssence
06-25-2011, 01:29 PM
Today there is talk (with the cancellation of court) that possibly a Plea Deal is in the works. Just wondering if the great astrologers here have any thoughts on whether astrologically this is a possible outcome of the trial now? if not, any ideas on what may have caused JP to cancel court today.

No way knowing WHAT the 'legal issue' is that was discussed in the Judge's chambers today. A chart might imply a positive or negative leaning toward one side or the other, but the subject of the matter would be unknown.

As for a possible outcome, read this:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported missing 7/15/2008 #16

passionflower
06-25-2011, 05:29 PM
I'm taking a deep breath! 5th Essence after reading the charts.

VidaRose
06-25-2011, 05:44 PM
No way for the plea deal imo the prosecution has no need to negotiate with the defense unless GA is going to admit to JB's crazy theory just to save his daughter's life. What a twist and turn that would be......Yikes.

Tuba
06-25-2011, 11:16 PM
The meeting in chambers revolved around our old friend & nemesis Sniff. You remember Dr. Furton? His testimony is now expanded from what we knew (& saw) at the earlier hearings in spring.

justplainmetal
06-26-2011, 12:23 AM
The meeting in chambers revolved around our old friend & nemesis Sniff. You remember Dr. Furton? His testimony is now expanded from what we knew (& saw) at the earlier hearings in spring.

Tuba, the Judge clearly stated that it was a differnt legal matter not involving Dr. Furton. Also, JA is quoted about Dr. Furton here http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-day-28-20110625,0,2868459.story
"Assistant State Attorney Jeff Ashton could only confirm that the sudden halt in the trial had "nothing to do with" earlier conversations in court about defense expert witness Dr. Kenneth Furton."

Tuba
06-26-2011, 12:32 AM
I just wrote Fifth Essence about Cheney-Mason & what may be his agenda and concern (despite the will of the prisoner.) She will no doubt quote my email here later.

LambChop
06-26-2011, 12:40 AM
I just wrote Fifth Essence about Cheney-Mason & what may be his agenda and concern (despite the will of the prisoner.) She will no doubt quote my email here later.

On the main thread there is a discussion regarding the "sliding door" picture which appears to be doctored. If this is true would this not be very bad for defense now that it is in evidence and the jury has already seen it? The thread brings up some very good points and some of our posters are amazing for catching this. It also appears that something happened this morning at sidebar that totally blew JA's mind because he was talking to himself (more than usual). lol

Zoe Bogart
06-26-2011, 07:02 AM
WOW. That is so very well said. With VIRGO being the home of 'detail' and the 'natural order of things,' that might indicate Baez would be perfectly organized and on top of the details. But Jupiter is in detriment in Virgo, and fiery Mars is way too impatient to be effective there. Baez has no time for investigating/assimilating the necessary details and facts. He likes to just 'wing it' and trusts it will work out ok. With Jupiter there sometimes it does. He seems to overlook supremely vital information until it is too late.[Mars in Virgo] Some legal analysts are saying that his ineptness, [like not looking at the jail house tapes in time to have them redacted for example] may actually reverse any upcoming guilty verdict.

I think the Uranus in Libra makes him think he was destined [Uranus]to be a lawyer.[Libra] But I think he may end up being someone 'connected' to law, like a media talking head, not necessarily a practicing attorney for long. imo.He is a great figure head and does a good job emoting for his clients, especially in the media, but he plays fast and loose with the truth, imo.

Now THIS is the Jose Baez I've been seeing. Sorry to disagree with some of our wonderfully astute astrologers, something I rarely do, but the guy I see is the one who can't seem to get his details in order, something he's been called on several times and has possible contempt changes staring at him at the end of all this. He baffles me with his inability to follow court orders.

I'm not one to mention what people wear and it drives me loco to read a description of KC's wardrobe of the day in print, as well as how she wears her Rapunzel hair, but I will say one thing about Mr. Baez, he does have the wardrobe of a Royal Leo. His client is always rumpled - she must be, she's always trying to groom herself - but Mr. B. is always impeccably dressed.

So glad to have Tuba back. I've been out of this thread for ages because I've had my head buried in the clocked log thread, so I'm finally getting time to read what everyone's saying here.

Popped in to say I finally got an answer on another forum of their "confirmed" birth time for Casey. Seems they got it from a different forum! C'est la vie for "confirmation". Time is 3:10 pm if anyone wants to consider it offline.


Originally posted by Tuba
The 2:53 deg. Virgo Mercury belonging to George Anthony

The Sabian symbol for George's Mercury is "Two guardian angels. Invisible help & protection in times of crisis."

I do hope this means his angels are assisting him to be strong and tell the truth. Not Casey's "truth" or Jose's "truth" but the real truth.

Zoe Bogart
06-26-2011, 07:26 AM
Sometime in the vague mists of time between June of 2008 and now, June 2011, it was mentioned that Casey or as I refer to the accused, The Prisoner, is a Joe Bfttz, whose black cloud contaminates all of us. Speaking just for myself, a prolific commentator of her case, I do know that the incidence of this case has brought nought but bad times to me, with the counterpoint that I so enjoy Websleuths and all of us who correspond here.

I'm so sorry you've encountered such troubles, Tuba. Makes one wonder, doesn't it? Can bad vibes travel through the worldwide web directed to people who've never met The Prisoner?

For myself I'll say probably no. I can't think of anything awful that has graced my path since the beginning of this case, nothing unexpected, that is. The only unexpected "unhappy" moments were when I received three summonses for jury duty in three years (2009, 2010, 2011). When I grumbled most recently, my daughter claimed I'm a hypocrite, considering that I watch the Anthony trial daily. I reminded her that I don't have to get up ghastly early, get dressed, and travel across the river to the courthouse for the CMA trial. Although last year when summoned, I arrived at the courthouse rather ill, and suffered the indignity of being told by the woman checking in the potential jurors, "You don't look good". Gee, thanks. Then she inquired of my health and promptly excused me. Just on my appearance!

I will say, though, I do take breaks from the case, so maybe that disturbs any unfortunate vibrations. I find I must do that with several cases I've been following because I find myself becoming rather cynical. I do the same with astrology, as well as my other interests. For a time I immerse myself in it, then I come up for air, take a breather, then get back to it again. I do find I'm more productive after I take those little breaks.

LiveLaughLuv
06-26-2011, 07:38 AM
Today there is talk (with the cancellation of court) that possibly a Plea Deal is in the works. Just wondering if the great astrologers here have any thoughts on whether astrologically this is a possible outcome of the trial now? if not, any ideas on what may have caused JP to cancel court today.

Welcome home Tuba...nice to see you posting...

ICA will never accept any plea deals. She wants nothing more than an acquittal to be sent home to that house of horrors.

In Baez OS he didn't hold ICA accountable for an allegedly drowned Caylee, instead ICA placed a deceased Caylee in her fathers lap and somehow RK took possession of Caylee's remains and held them hostage until he wanted her found...ICA took no responsbility for her actions/inactions if that actually occurred..No one needs to make an accidental drowning appear like kidnapping/murder...One would cover up a murder to appear as if an accident occurred..not buying this latest installment for it appears it will be used for a chapter in a fictional book deal...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

LiveLaughLuv
06-26-2011, 07:45 AM
Do any of our fine astrologers see GA falling on the sword for his daughter? Do you think he will now say or confirm ICA's story of this alleged drowning? Do you see GA admitting to sexual abuse to help the prisoner for a lesser included guilty verdict? TIA

I also wonder if this legal matter that adjourned the court for the day on Saturday has to do with ICA not being pleased with Baez for two reasons...I've rewatched LA's testimony and as he was talking, ICA was elbowing Baez with something she wrote...He basically (through hand signals and lip reading) told ICA I have to listen to this testimony. I can't be interrupted..no doubt she became angry that he ignored her...

The other reason would be Baez' blantant discovery violations with new information after the fact on his witnesses testimony. It appears Baez doesn't feel the need to follow the courts instructions. I've called him a rogue attorney and now see him as a rebellious one against the government...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

FifthEssence
06-26-2011, 09:12 AM
This 'unexpected' RECESS for the day has us speculating in over-time.
Understood, although this Astro Forum is not the thread for those sort of conversations. We're nearing the finish line and the suspense has us on the edge of our seats. Again, understood.

I've allowed the posts to wander some, stretching our imaginations into neitherland as we try on the hats of each one of the main players.
WHAT is going on behind closed doors??? Still no answers, no confirmations.

It's TIME TO GET BACK ON TRACK and return to the focus of our Forum, ASTROLOGY.

The Trial convenes in 24 hours. Hold tight kids.

Zoe Bogart
06-26-2011, 09:34 AM
Just want to say the secrets of yesterday's session weren't confined to the back room. I saw on the WFTV video, part 2, that everyone was kicked out of court yesterday, including the media, while all the attorneys and the defendant were still at their respective tables. Obviously there was much more discussion to be had away from wondering eyes and ears of media and camera.

I'm not speculating on anything because to do so would give me a headache.

I did cast a chart, but, well, not knowing what the deal was, the chart doesn't mean much, does it? We've been patient for three years, I imagine we can wait a little longer. For the curious, here it is, take a look:

Chart cast for the time Cheney Mason announces 'he has another issue to discuss not related to the earlier issue (Dr. Furton).' Defense + ICA + Judge head out to his chamber. Prosecution remains behind but later is seen called in.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/SaturdayCourt.jpg


Notice the Sun is leaving the 11th house and getting ready to set up housekeeping with Mercury who is already there in the 12th house of SECRETS.

Just for the record, we get curious when we're not privy to information, imagine how the jury feels. They know and see far less.

Soulscape
06-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Just want to say the secrets of yesterday's session weren't confined to the back room. I saw on the WFTV video, part 2, that everyone was kicked out of court yesterday, including the media, while all the attorneys and the defendant were still at their respective tables. Obviously there was much more discussion to be had away from wondering eyes and ears of media and camera.

I'm not speculating on anything because to do so would give me a headache.

I did cast a chart, but, well, not knowing what the deal was, the chart doesn't mean much, does it? We've been patient for three years, I imagine we can wait a little longer. For the curious, here it is, take a look:

Chart cast for the time Cheney Mason announces 'he has another issue to discuss not related to the earlier issue (Dr. Furton).' Defense + ICA + Judge head out to his chamber. Prosecution remains behind but later is seen called in.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/SaturdayCourt.jpg


Notice the Sun is leaving the 11th house and getting ready to set up housekeeping with Mercury who is already there in the 12th house of SECRETS.

Just for the record, we get curious when we're not privy to information, imagine how the jury feels. They know and see far less.




The secret (12th House) conversation/discussion (MERCURY Lord 3 in secretive 12th House) is a ruthless power play (SUN/PLUTO = SATURN); an attempt to upset (URANUS) the balance (SATURN in Libra) and tip it towards the Prisoner.

Notice PLUTO rules the Scorpio interception in the 4th House End of the Matter and notice also the Grand Cross formation involving SUN opposite PLUTO square SATURN opposite URANUS conj. BLACK MOON LILITH.

I wonder, however, if anything will come of it...

The crisis-bound MOON (26 Cardinal) --- Lord 12 the Prisoner and the Action as well --- not only exactly quindeciles SATURN and sesquiquads PLUTO, but more importantly, is Void of Course.


Jun 24, 2011 6:07 PM Moo Sxtil Ven V/C
Jun 25, 2011 4:53 PM Moo enters Taurus




Thanks,
Soulscape

Leomoon80
06-26-2011, 05:30 PM
Just want to say the secrets of yesterday's session weren't confined to the back room. I saw on the WFTV video, part 2, that everyone was kicked out of court yesterday, including the media, while all the attorneys and the defendant were still at their respective tables. Obviously there was much more discussion to be had away from wondering eyes and ears of media and camera.

I'm not speculating on anything because to do so would give me a headache.

I did cast a chart, but, well, not knowing what the deal was, the chart doesn't mean much, does it? We've been patient for three years, I imagine we can wait a little longer. For the curious, here it is, take a look:

Chart cast for the time Cheney Mason announces 'he has another issue to discuss not related to the earlier issue (Dr. Furton).' Defense + ICA + Judge head out to his chamber. Prosecution remains behind but later is seen called in.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/Myrtle_Groggins/SaturdayCourt.jpg


Notice the Sun is leaving the 11th house and getting ready to set up housekeeping with Mercury who is already there in the 12th house of SECRETS.

Just for the record, we get curious when we're not privy to information, imagine how the jury feels. They know and see far less.

It may be equally interesting to observe the placements of these planets in synastry with George A. and Casey A. as they were both observed, "crying or tearing up"......at least from what I heard on TV (In Sessions, Jean and V. Politan talking about it) after the surprise recess.

For Casey, leaving the Judge's Chambers. For G.A.? someone said, "it may have been only allergies"

I ran their charts with this one, but I had used a different time of day....
If you do so out of curiosity once your headache subsides, lol - , be sure to check the Black Moon Lilith in each of their charts.

More then likely, anything truly relevant to this mystery may stay a mystery however, same as when Judge Ito was given the Manila Envelope in the OJ Trial.
People mused over it similarly , saying, "it must be the knife"

But I don't think the truth ever saw the light of day as to what was in that mysterious "manila envelope?
At least not the public knew about what it was.
(turned out to be a knife, but not "the" knife) according to a book written by a lawyer.

Tuba
06-27-2011, 01:28 AM
Okay, I guess my email to our moderator was NOT copied here. What I did say was that Cheny-Mason has long held that the momentary (2 min.) detention in cuffs by the responding officer was an arrest and therefore all that came from her after should have be under Miranda warnings. He was unable to defend this w. case law when challenge by Judge Perry in early spring. He later prepared and had certain arguments which were still and nonetheless WEAK but he maintains that position. Therefore, some of what he had to say in chambers may revolve around this issue.

He also may disagree w. The Team regarding mental defect. But BAEZ in in charge, let no one mistake that and he, in turn, takes case progress directives from the Prisoner because, as he has consistently declaimed, it is she who has to do the time or face the lethal injection. Therfore, Prisoner is, in this narrow sense, directing her defense axn.

I also see that Jose Angel Baez does NOT want to support or in anyway advocate, a fraud upon the court. Certain obvious perjuries are just that and Baez well knows it. He is, as I
ve said, conducting a Mosaic Defense. This may work here w. that or if that is said and accepted (comes into ev), another tactic or pursuit may intervene. In such sense, the defense strategy has to depend. And he has to offer up what seems a relevant defense. That is his job, but not when this strategy would perpetrate a fraud upon the court, by definition contemptuous of the bench, as well.

Tuba
06-27-2011, 02:33 AM
I think it's good that you cast that chart, Z.B. Not only does Cheney-Mason have Jupiter in Leo but he is a Fire Sign, so let's place him at the ASC for not only those reasons but because he made the announcement and thus took the initiating move here. What he purports to know may have to do w. Anthony family dynamics, since the Sun is behind the veil closed to the public in H. 12 and applying to the opposition of Pluto. Pluto governs family secrets here and always has secret knowledge though not always family as here. We take family because the Sun rests in Cancer. What is Pluto then doing in Capricorn and in House 6? Taking painstaking control. Careful, because it lies in the Virgo House. The solstice point or antiscion for Mercury is Cynthia's Sun in II: the Uranian planetary node, the problem solver. Why is it seemingly and I maintain, being transparently misused? Due to the supercilious Leo square her Mercury, dispositor, makes to Pluto in her natal chart. The sextile to Mars assigns her the role of caretaker, in her perspective, warped that this may surely be in terms of interfering with the pursuit of accurate representation of what goes on in her purview of the family and the household and the "facts of the case" & the family dynamic.

Tuba
06-27-2011, 02:52 AM
Further, always remember that Planets riding a Cusp are extremely ACTIVE and, too, that behind controlling persons are either shame or fear. I wrote about this long ago in the Main Forum, quoting sources in the psychological community. Does Cynthia want to know the truth as she has maintained? Yes, but this in no wise indicates she wishes that truth to be publically revealed. It is her private quest, as she perceives it. And, as we see now, not at the cost of Prisoner's life will she seek to covey this to the gaping maw of public curiosity and interest.

What is the Wounded Healer, Cheiron. doing making aspects not only to Pluto but to her daughter, the Prisoner? The nurse sees this as an opportunity (60 deg.) to assume the control of this legal axn and what is and what is not given to the court and the public as facts about the Prisoner and what rests w. Prisoner as ultimate guilt. As for your humble poster and contributor, would I stand and deliver if my own daughter were guilty of the premeditated murder of her only child and my granddaughter? No, I would not. Nor in any way would I exert myself to defend her or to accept the responsibilty or guilt for the murder. My answer would always be "Leave her to heaven!" Or, to hell. Such an act or acts are to me, totally unacceptable and in no manner would I salvage the perpetrator in exchange for the life of a precious child. We know well that Caylee Anthony was a cherub and a precious life, embodied in a child of two and ten mos.

FifthEssence
06-27-2011, 10:08 AM
TUBA got it! She noted in Post#443:

Cheney Mason may disagree w. The Team regarding mental defect.

As it turns out this morning, we find out a Motion regarding KC's 'competency' had been submitted. The Judge ordered 3 different shrinks to examine her which they did over the weekend.

After reviewing all 3 reports from these psychologists, the Judge finds her COMPETENT.




Do refer to SOULSCAPE's discussion in Post #441:

The secret (12th House) conversation/discussion (MERCURY Lord 3 in secretive 12th House) is a ruthless power play (SUN/PLUTO = SATURN); an attempt to upset (URANUS) the balance (SATURN in Libra) and tip it towards the Prisoner.

Notice PLUTO rules the Scorpio interception in the 4th House End of the Matter and notice also the Grand Cross formation involving SUN opposite PLUTO square SATURN opposite URANUS conj. BLACK MOON LILITH.

I wonder, however, if anything will come of it...

The crisis-bound MOON (26 Cardinal) --- Lord 12 the Prisoner and the Action as well --- not only exactly quindeciles SATURN and sesquiquads PLUTO, but more importantly, is Void of Course.

Lovejac
06-27-2011, 11:22 AM
TUBA got it! She noted in Post#443:

Cheney Mason may disagree w. The Team regarding mental defect.

As it turns out this morning, we find out a Motion regarding KC's 'competency' had been submitted. The Judge ordered 3 different shrinks to examine her which they did over the weekend.

After reviewing all 3 reports from these psychologists, the Judge finds her COMPETENT.




Do refer to SOULSCAPE's discussion in Post #441:

The secret (12th House) conversation/discussion (MERCURY Lord 3 in secretive 12th House) is a ruthless power play (SUN/PLUTO = SATURN); an attempt to upset (URANUS) the balance (SATURN in Libra) and tip it towards the Prisoner.

Notice PLUTO rules the Scorpio interception in the 4th House End of the Matter and notice also the Grand Cross formation involving SUN opposite PLUTO square SATURN opposite URANUS conj. BLACK MOON LILITH.

I wonder, however, if anything will come of it...

The crisis-bound MOON (26 Cardinal) --- Lord 12 the Prisoner and the Action as well --- not only exactly quindeciles SATURN and sesquiquads PLUTO, but more importantly, is Void of Course.


Our forensic astrologers are THE BEST! :blowkiss:

FifthEssence
06-27-2011, 11:42 AM
here it is, no times of recording noted.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/28368878/detail.html


Talk about brief!

'based on privileged communications between Defendant and her Counsel' ..... and 'as a result of this well founded concern'




Here's the Judge's EMERGENCY ORDER APPOINTING EXPERT EVALUATION
(order starts on pg 2- pg 1 is the Motion by Defense)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/28368878/detail.html

*Judge Perry' Order regarding his determination of Competency to Proceed has not been listed at the news site yet. He stated his decision at approx 9:40am

Oldsoul2
06-27-2011, 12:47 PM
Now THIS is the Jose Baez I've been seeing. Sorry to disagree with some of our wonderfully astute astrologers, something I rarely do, but the guy I see is the one who can't seem to get his details in order, something he's been called on several times and has possible contempt changes staring at him at the end of all this. He baffles me with his inability to follow court orders.

I'm not one to mention what people wear and it drives me loco to read a description of KC's wardrobe of the day in print, as well as how she wears her Rapunzel hair, but I will say one thing about Mr. Baez, he does have the wardrobe of a Royal Leo. His client is always rumpled - she must be, she's always trying to groom herself - but Mr. B. is always impeccably dressed.

So glad to have Tuba back. I've been out of this thread for ages because I've had my head buried in the clocked log thread, so I'm finally getting time to read what everyone's saying here.

Popped in to say I finally got an answer on another forum of their "confirmed" birth time for Casey. Seems they got it from a different forum! C'est la vie for "confirmation". Time is 3:10 pm if anyone wants to consider it offline.



I do hope this means his angels are assisting him to be strong and tell the truth. Not Casey's "truth" or Jose's "truth" but the real truth.

I agree completely! Now what is her ascendant with a birth time of 3:10pm?

Oldsoul2
06-27-2011, 12:56 PM
Think I found the speculated time of b. as brought here from another site. (ALL SPECULATIVE though-no confirmation) ..if correct her rising is Leo...not surprised...it is said that leo rising has a lions mane physically (thick hair)

Ascendant: 23°46' Leo

Your psychological nature is powerful and full of self-confidence. You are a leader whose strength and nobleness command your entourage’s respect and adherence, with unchallenged legitimacy. Your ability to order, the prestige and charisma that emanate continuously from your person inevitably put you, under the spotlight, wherever you go.

With this Ascendant, you come across as proud, determined, wilful, loyal, solemn, generous, ambitious, courageous, heroic, full of vitality, creative, confident, seductive, happy, daring, majestic, honest, magnanimous, charismatic, responsible, noble, brilliant, radiant, dramatic, affectionate, full of humour, demonstrative, swaggering and self-confident. You can also be domineering, conceited, touchy, authoritarian, stubborn, intolerant, self-centered, irascible, violent, and nonchalant.

If you express the lower side of this energy, however, the picture is much less lovely. You are terribly narcissistic, self-centered, excessively concerned with being impressive, respected and admired. You cannot share the glory and usurp the credit for others' contributions. You want to "out-do" everybody else. You do not admit your mistakes, you are domineering and cannot let people get too close to you lest they discover you are not as great as you would like them to believe. You are either overly self-conscious or you have to put yourself forward and be seen and heard on all occasions. Your very presence dominates the scene in ways that more subtle, quiet individuals find intrusive. However, if other factors in your birth chart give you a sense of proportion, humility, and a genuine awareness of other people, these negative tendencies are much less pronounced. Your soul-function does involve leadership, or being "out there" on the stage of life in a significant way. You can be even more effective and fulfilled in this if you stay focused on giving from your heart instead of your ego.

Tuba
06-27-2011, 01:02 PM
It was for me to clarify that by sextile the Prisoner, I referred to Cheiron, the wounded healer 60 deg. from Jupiter, ruler of Cynthia's daughter.

Cindy does see her daughter as "held", in confinement, but primarily, that is her child, not the Prisoner. (I do hope that it's well understood that it is perfectly legal and proper to refer to one taken into custody, and more so, arraigned as prisoner.) Prisoner is a common appellation at criminal law. See case and common law.

As to the Aries Moon--that is the postion of Prisoner's progr. Sun, as we have often regarded in her advanced chart, from year of birth to present. It was also prominent at her indictment (Full Moon, October 14). And, indeed, from 3 new evaluations, plus the one at jail ordered by his Honor, Stan Strickland, she was held competent. She is fully intent and even centered on this self-presentation.

Asker
06-27-2011, 04:41 PM
Think I found the speculated time of b. as brought here from another site. (ALL SPECULATIVE though-no confirmation) if correct her rising is Leo...not surprised...it is said that leo rising has a lions mane physically (thick hair)

Ascendant: 23°46' Leo



Just curious...what birth data are you using? I used March 19, 1986, Warren, Ohio at 3:10 p.m. Time Zone 05 - Eastern Standard Time and I get 19:48 Leo Rising. Something in my data must be wrong.

FifthEssence
06-27-2011, 04:59 PM
Recorded in Clerk's Office @ 1:25PM on 6/27/11


http://www.wftv.com/PDF/28372388/detail.html

Paulette
06-27-2011, 05:32 PM
Just curious...what birth data are you using? I used March 19, 1986, Warren, Ohio at 3:10 p.m. Time Zone 05 - Eastern Standard Time and I get 19:48 Leo Rising. Something in my data must be wrong.

Me too. It's 19:48 Leo

Soulscape
06-27-2011, 09:01 PM
Just curious...what birth data are you using? I used March 19, 1986, Warren, Ohio at 3:10 p.m. Time Zone 05 - Eastern Standard Time and I get 19:48 Leo Rising. Something in my data must be wrong.


Me too. It's 19:48 Leo


I also get 19:48 Leo ASCENDANT.

FWIW, the 3:10 pm TOB is not verified. It was posted on another forum with no indication of where the information came from. Until/unless I see the source of the TOB and deem it authentic, I would take this TOB with a grain of salt. It may simply be another Astrologer's rectification.

Speaking of other Astrologers, if Bob a.k.a. Unique Astrologer is still reading this Forum, I would love to get his take on Casey Anthony's time of birth.


Thanks,
Soulscape

Capri
06-27-2011, 10:19 PM
I'm sure someone's already thought of this resource if it is in fact one, but I know ancestry.com has birth & death details(but it's a paid subscription). If anyone does geneology, possibly they could check if on the off-chance a time is listed for her birth.

Tuba
06-27-2011, 10:48 PM
Ancestry.com is not meant to provide birth days & times of the living. Now, after she receives her penalty, we can look into this, even at Ancestry.

marlame
06-27-2011, 10:57 PM
FYI...Vinnie Politan just tweeted Roy Kronk is testifying tomorrow. This was also posted in main thread...
The Roy Kronk Connection- Opening Statements-Kronk takes the stand 2011.06.28 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Tuesday is a Mars Day (ruled by Mars)...
Optimal day for investigation of a crime scene or motives, means and opportunity. You can pierce the impenetrable on the day given to Mars. It is an appropriate day to combat your adversaries' claims with vigor but go over all your arguments for errors. Any action under Mars may be error prone if one rushes and fails to double check sources.

Pray for Mr. Kronk...Lord only knows what JB has up his sleeve.

Tuba
06-27-2011, 11:52 PM
And we do have to remember that the Moon will be on Mars, this Mars Day. It does, however, benefit the prosecution of criminals and the criminal mind.

Tuba
06-27-2011, 11:55 PM
And now...MY feelings are hurt. My pater had Bungula rising and had a v. successful career in departments of the gov't which will remain as vaulted as the B of E. Traveled the world and loved it, taking residence in 120 countries of which he made hand written record.

Fixed Stars are often USEFUL, if not abused.

katydid23
06-28-2011, 02:05 AM
That Moon Conjuncting Mars on a Mars day is very interesting. [@2:22 pm] Prior acts will be revealed. However the Mars being in Gemini mutes a lot of the force of the Mars energy.
From Banzhaf/Haebler:
Mars/Moon in Gemini = DISTRACTION, the tendency to go off on many tangents, much ado about nothing. Fire turns ice cold.


Now when I first looked at that description I wondered if it could play to ICA's advantage, and give the jury a reasonable set of doubts. Distracting from the evidence is what the DT sets out to do,by giving the jury an alternate path to follow. In some ways Moon conjunct Mars in Gemini is a perfect description of ' various optional reasonable doubts.'

But it warms my heart to see just how that Mars/Moon fits into the defendant's natal chart. It forms a T-square of conflict with the natal Jupiter/Saturn square. To me that implies unrequited hopes and dreams, unfulfilled expectations. This Moon/Mars is like a kick in the gut. The Saturn/Jupiter is the unexpressed hope that she can get herself out of this supreme mess. That Mars represents her desire to do so with the tangent and distraction they offer the jury after lunch tomorrow. But it will fall short and be much ado about nothing, imo. They are looking for fireworks and they will get sparklers, imo.

From Ebertin:Jupiter = Mars/Saturn [ this is the transit Casey has starting tomorrow]

The ability to destroy or eliminate something thoroughly.A very pleasant and easy death.

Tuba
06-28-2011, 08:46 AM
:crazy:Speaking again of prosecuting crime, Mars in II is verbal attack, mightier than the sword. Considering the intent and well formed direction from our prosecutors, there is more than doubt they will be shooting off in all directions. Their case in chief is also loaded w. documentation (ORIGINAL quote being the pen is mightier than the sword.)

As to The Team. It is not Jose Baez who will struggle w. multi-directional shots in the dark but rebels on his crew of lawyers. Baez has favorable trines to Uranus in Libra from said Mars & we've seen just how powerful that is and was in re: Andrea Lyon whose Sun his Uranian planet sits hard upon. Mason of course has that II collection opposing his own Sag planets, therefore check sources for dissension in the ranks. But, he does not stand alone in this curvature from aim at goals.

Tuba
06-28-2011, 08:53 AM
The discussion of Prisoner's possible ASC is of great interest to all who read and post here and thanks for raising this issue. Have not forgotten dear Housemouse's early speculation that Prisoner may well have Aries rising. Good thought and w. Venus in H. 12, not rising, I would opine.

Then, there's Prisoner's own Facebook (or some such note) that she bears II rising. Many facets of her body language and speech habits support that.

I agree, 3:10 p.m. in Warren, Ohio is somehow suspect. If the rising Sign does not fit, you must NOT acquit.

Oldsoul2
06-28-2011, 10:09 AM
Sorry to all that have correctly fixed my error. I entered it into and ascendant calculator and that is what they gave me. I'll check a few of them next time to make sure the info is accurate.

katydid23
06-28-2011, 05:30 PM
:crazy:Speaking again of prosecuting crime, Mars in II is verbal attack, mightier than the sword. Considering the intent and well formed direction from our prosecutors, there is more than doubt they will be shooting off in all directions. Their case in chief is also loaded w. documentation (ORIGINAL quote being the pen is mightier than the sword.)

As to The Team. It is not Jose Baez who will struggle w. multi-directional shots in the dark but rebels on his crew of lawyers. Baez has favorable trines to Uranus in Libra from said Mars & we've seen just how powerful that is and was in re: Andrea Lyon whose Sun his Uranian planet sits hard upon. Mason of course has that II collection opposing his own Sag planets, therefore check sources for dissension in the ranks. But, he does not stand alone in this curvature from aim at goals.

BBM
His Gemini/Sag opposition was showing today, imo. He was pretty passive/aggressive in his tone and speech and he made a big deal out of small details, and tried to make mountains out of molehills, pretending to make great strides when nothing was gained at all. I thought Kronk, Sun in Aquarius I believe, held his own.
I don't think any of Baez's team made any important gains today, imo.

TakingALook
06-28-2011, 05:49 PM
I have no idea if this question is appropiate for astrology review, but I will ask anyway.

Over the past 3 years, WE -- here at WS have been privy to LOTS of things going on within this case; and because the TESTIMONY that the jurors are hearing is so 'back and forth' (not knowing what some of it relates too) could this have a 'negative' effect in their ability to deliberate the case? Or what effect would it have, if any?

marlame
06-28-2011, 09:08 PM
I have no idea if this question is appropiate for astrology review, but I will ask anyway.

Over the past 3 years, WE -- here at WS have been privy to LOTS of things going on within this case; and because the TESTIMONY that the jurors are hearing is so 'back and forth' (not knowing what some of it relates too) could this have a 'negative' effect in their ability to deliberate the case? Or what effect would it have, if any?

TakingALook, I think your question seems very appropriate. And, several of our astrologers here have commented on just what you are asking about! As for the effect it will have on the jury...sadly, I believe we must wait for further analysis to be done for the date/time the jury begins deliberations. Until then...

Here are just a few snippets I have found helpful...
(Snipped by Me)

By Soulscape: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported missing 7/15/2008 #16"...Mutable = changeable, flexible, able to go this way or that.
That gives me the impression Defense will surely twist & turn and fine-tune (refine, adjust) their 'story' to their advantage all the way to closing argument ... a fast & furious start (cardinal) and many, many changes, twists & turns before coming to conclusion.
There is no doubt Defense will do anything and everything in its power as this trial continues to get at least one of those Jurors to drink the kool-aid."

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported missing 7/15/2008 #16[/COLOR]"...State's biggest challenge throughout this trial will be exactly that, to 'burn' (SUN) through (square) Defense's 'smoke & mirrors' (NEPTUNE). They knew this prior to Opening Statement because the SUN sq NEPTUNE aspect is separating (in the past).
State must provide consistently solid, factual, incontrovertible, black & white proof regarding Casey's guilt -- anything less could result in one or more jurors drinking the Dream Team kool-aid (NEPTUNE), thus ending this action in a mistrial."

By Tuba: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #4
"Prosecutor's Filing re: Death Penalty Prosecutor LDB filed the State's position on seeking the death penalty against the accused for the first degree murder of her daughter. The Part of Retribution falls on the ASC precisely but the future jury who will try the facts is H. 11. Sorrowful jury members are unsympathetic to the defendant, Mars 14:07 Sagittarius, however they are disposited by Neptune. Neptune opposes the Part of Fortune and squares this ASC. Neptune of chaos is on a critical degree in a Fixed Sign so emotions are running high and there is hysteria in some quarters as the Full Moon exaggerates distress..." *chart for DP: http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/NoDeathPenalty021.jpg

And one last fabulous post for our enjoyment by Soulscape...
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #4(SBM)

Tisiphone Has Spoken
"I was giving the chart another look today and was surprised to notice the asteroid Tisiphone (22:09 Capricorn) also rises.

According to Roman mythology, Tisiphone is one of the Three Furies. The Romans considered the Furies to be deities of vengeance, or supernatural personifications of the anger of the dead.

Tisiphone was the Fury specifically known for avenging murder --- particularly against those who broke the ties of kinship by murdering family members --- never stopping until the perpetrator got what they deserved..."

I very much enjoy going back and re-reading some of the previous charts and interpretations! Link to the Astro Crime Calendar... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?s=&month=12&year=2008&do=&c=5

:rollercoaster: Hang tight...The TRIAL ride is almost over! Justice is coming for Caylee!

MarlaMe

TakingALook
06-28-2011, 09:52 PM
Marlame, hitting the 'thanks' button isn't enough to express my graditude for your pointing out these posts.... some of which were posted before I found the astrology thread here at WS. I so appreciate your kindness in pointing these out and continue to be in AWE of all the hard work the astrologers commit to this case so that we have the best insight to what is happening. TYVM Everyone!!!

passionflower
06-28-2011, 10:08 PM
New moon July 1, 2011 02:53:55 AM
This powerful New Moon in Cancer at 9 degrees on July 1st, 2011, and with it comes a Solar Eclipse.
The Solar Eclipse in Cancer is brimming with active expressive energy and may very likely be a major turning point or gateway for this year.
There is a major “Grand Square /Cardinal Cross” configuration happening at this time combining these planets: Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, and of course the Sun and Moon within the first 10 degrees of the Cardinal signs (Libra, Cancer, Capricorn, Aries). Thunderbolt from the Cosmos to light up the daytime sky.

katydid23
06-28-2011, 10:30 PM
New moon July 1, 2011 02:53:55 AM
This powerful New Moon in Cancer at 9 degrees on July 1st, 2011, and with it comes a Solar Eclipse.
The Solar Eclipse in Cancer is brimming with active expressive energy and may very likely be a major turning point or gateway for this year.
There is a major “Grand Square /Cardinal Cross” configuration happening at this time combining these planets: Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, and of course the Sun and Moon within the first 10 degrees of the Cardinal signs (Libra, Cancer, Capricorn, Aries). Thunderbolt from the Cosmos to light up the daytime sky.

And that Cardinal GRAND SQUARE sits firmly upon Casey's problematic and dynamic T-square in the same Cardinal degrees. Her T-square involves her 'odd or perverse inclinations' according to Ebertin. It is her Moon/Neptune opposition squaring her Venus which will be all tied up in this forceful grand square. I see it as the key turning in the lock for the final time. imoo

This date will be very close to the rebuttal phase of the state. And imo they have plenty of bombshell evidence to combat the few gains the DT might have thought they made in their CIC. Transiting Saturn opposing Uranus describes a struggle over the limitation of one's freedom. This struggle sets itself right upon her Venus, her own emotional well being. She will feel this violent and forceful struggle quite deeply. Cuts to the bone is one image that comes to mind for Saturn/Uranus/Pluto.

This grand square is not good news for ICA. It may very well describe a large cage and might signify her future quite accurately. All of us are experiencing this Cardinal Grand Square so we all have our 'crosses' to bear right now. But thankfully most of us are not seeing them so literally as she might be. This grand square may signify difficult circumstances which limit our choices and our abilities to easily move forward. Let's all buckle up and get through this together.

VidaRose
06-28-2011, 10:58 PM
By Tuba:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #4
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #4
"Prosecutor's Filing re: Death Penalty Prosecutor LDB filed the State's position on seeking the death penalty against the accused for the first degree murder of her daughter. The Part of Retribution falls on the ASC precisely but the future jury who will try the facts is H. 11. Sorrowful jury members are unsympathetic to the defendant, Mars 14:07 Sagittarius, however they are disposited by Neptune. Neptune opposes the Part of Fortune and squares this ASC. Neptune of chaos is on a critical degree in a Fixed Sign so emotions are running high and there is hysteria in some quarters as the Full Moon exaggerates distress..." *chart for DP: http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/r...Penalty021.jpg

Hence the dilemma when souls who are innately good and merciful try to understand and explain those actions by souls (who by their own free will) have chosen to go dark and turn away from the light.

Many good people can’t comprehend why any soul would make this choice. So they must see the subject as a victim themselves of some awful circumstance.

We atros know better. We know their hearts and souls had turned BEFORE anyone on this plane influenced their behavior.

CatMom
06-28-2011, 11:50 PM
And that Cardinal GRAND SQUARE sits firmly upon Casey's problematic and dynamic T-square in the same Cardinal degrees. Her T-square involves her 'odd or perverse inclinations' according to Ebertin. It is her Moon/Neptune opposition squaring her Venus which will be all tied up in this forceful grand square. I see it as the key turning in the lock for the final time. imoo

This date will be very close to the rebuttal phase of the state. And imo they have plenty of bombshell evidence to combat the few gains the DT might have thought they made in their CIC. Transiting Saturn opposing Uranus describes a struggle over the limitation of one's freedom. This struggle sets itself right upon her Venus, her own emotional well being. She will feel this violent and forceful struggle quite deeply. Cuts to the bone is one image that comes to mind for Saturn/Uranus/Pluto.

This grand square is not good news for ICA. It may very well describe a large cage and might signify her future quite accurately. All of us are experiencing this Cardinal Grand Square so we all have our 'crosses' to bear right now. But thankfully most of us are not seeing them so literally as she might be. This grand square may signify difficult circumstances which limit our choices and our abilities to easily move forward. Let's all buckle up and get through this together.

Is this an indication that perhaps Casey herself will testify on July 1?

Capri
06-29-2011, 01:48 AM
Am I correct in thinking that with a Cardinal Grand Square, it's best to determine what you can control and what is beyond your control? Not something the prisoner finds easy to do if I'm correct.

katydid23
06-29-2011, 01:55 AM
Is this an indication that perhaps Casey herself will testify on July 1?

Personally, I would have to have her verified time of birth before I would try and answer that. I am a natal astrologer more than a horary expert. I wish I could venture a guess. But I do not know from the information I have.

watchinginky
06-29-2011, 10:09 AM
Here are just a few snippets I have found helpful...
(Snipped by Me)

And one last fabulous post for our enjoyment by Soulscape...
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3057986&postcount=629)(SBM)

Tisiphone Has Spoken
"I was giving the chart another look today and was surprised to notice the asteroid Tisiphone (22:09 Capricorn) also rises.

According to Roman mythology, Tisiphone is one of the Three Furies. The Romans considered the Furies to be deities of vengeance, or supernatural personifications of the anger of the dead.

Tisiphone was the Fury specifically known for avenging murder --- particularly against those who broke the ties of kinship by murdering family members --- never stopping until the perpetrator got what they deserved..."

I very much enjoy going back and re-reading some of the previous charts and interpretations! Link to the Astro Crime Calendar... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?s=&month=12&year=2008&do=&c=5

:rollercoaster: Hang tight...The TRIAL ride is almost over! Justice is coming for Caylee!

MarlaMe

Very respectfully sniped.

After seeing George testify today, he reminded me of this post I read this morning. He is like Tisiphone on the stand. He is standing up for Caylee and telling the truth no matter what. He is seeking justice for "the joy of his life". It's like HE is the fury that's going to avenge the murder of his beloved granddaughter.

All JMO

katydid23
06-29-2011, 12:43 PM
Am I correct in thinking that with a Cardinal Grand Square, it's best to determine what you can control and what is beyond your control? Not something the prisoner finds easy to do if I'm correct.

If we take it step by step or layer by layer we can see how it might be described.

A Grand Square is often seen as being 'locked into' a situation. On the chart it is drawn like a big square, a grand cross, in which one must endure a complicated, interwoven situation.

A Mutable Grand Square is often seen as being locked into a situation with shifting alliances and unknown variables, while a Fixed Grand Square is more like being locked into a situation with no movement, no leeway or flexibility.

A Cardinal Grand Square implies being locked into a situation in which things are moving forward quickly, forcefully, in spite of one's personal input or desires. Change is coming and it is out of one's personal control.

One looks at the planets involved to decipher the how's and why's and who's the situation. In this case the Saturn , Uranus and Pluto describe what she is locked into.
Saturn in Libra= Justice, Legal Decisions, Government
Uranus in Aries= Revolution, Sudden Rebellion, Quick Change,Revolt
Pluto in Capricorn = The Dictator, Power, Invisible Forces, Fate

REBELLION against JUSTICE/LEGAL DECISIONS which create FATEFUL CIRCUMSTANCES

This describes the upcoming planetary pattern which ICA finds herself locked into. imoo

Tuba
06-29-2011, 12:55 PM
Seek the answers to some of your questions, on the Astro Calendar The varied styles of our astrologers are all THERE and located, with titles, for the convenience of all

Frigga
06-29-2011, 03:30 PM
Tuba, I hold you in such high regard.

I hold all of our talented astrologers here in high regard and am grateful for the insights, teachings and input from each and everyone of you.

Soulscape, if ever there was a time that I didn't thank you properly, I am regretful for that, as your charts and interpretations hold the very foundation for my sincere interest here. You take great pains to explain and guide us through your interpretations and conclusions and I understand so much more because of the time and attention you give to us here. I want to gratefully thank you now and let you know how much your time and attention here has meant to me, personally- Thank you so much.

~ Frigga

watchinginky
06-29-2011, 03:49 PM
Tuba, I hold you in such high regard.

I hold all of our talented astrologers here in high regard and am grateful for the insights, teachings and input from each and everyone of you.

Soulscape, if ever there was a time that I didn't thank you properly, I am regretful for that, as your charts and interpretations hold the very foundation for my sincere interest here. You take great pains to explain and guide us through your interpretations and conclusions and I understand so much more because of the time and attention you give to us here. I want to gratefully thank you now and let you know how much your time and attention here has meant to me, personally- Thank you so much.

~ Frigga

I have to "ditto" everything said in this post. I can look at the charts all day, but I can't read them. I rely on the talents of those who can to tell what they say. I have ordered a couple of books to read about beginning astrology, but in the meantime, I'm astrology "dumb".

I'm very grateful for everyone who contributes here.

Paulette
06-29-2011, 06:10 PM
The prisoner has asteroid "George" 10:43 Sagitarius. Today "Humptydumpty" (a fall that is impossible to recover from, shattered) transited Aries 10:43 conjunct BML. Funny how fate works. On the day he testified, his name in her chart trined these 2 exactly!

My take is she will not recover from the testimony of George and especially the view the jury had of her stony face while he was overcome with emotion on the witness stand.

jojomonkey
06-29-2011, 06:45 PM
The prisoner has asteroid "George" 10:43 Sagitarius. Today "Humptydumpty" (a fall that is impossible to recover from, shattered) transited Aries 10:43 conjunct BML. Funny how fate works. On the day he testified, his name in her chart trined these 2 exactly!

My take is she will not recover from the testimony of George and especially the view the jury had of her stony face while he was overcome with emotion on the witness stand.


And the June 1st lunar eclipse was at 11 degrees Gemini, so exactly opposite "George" in her chart. Wasn't the eclipse close to Cindy's sun as well?
Interesting...

His testimony today was extremely powerful, he made a great many people proud.

Torrie
06-29-2011, 10:04 PM
Seek the answers to some of your questions, on the Astro Calendar The varied styles of our astrologers are all THERE and located, with titles, for the convenience of all



Due to circumstances in my own life, I haven't been able to read as much as I used to. Last I knew, Housemouse was back with us, and I was thrilled. I also missed your posts, and I hope everything is ok for you. I have so much going on that I'm too exhausted to go back and read what I have missed. Throughout this case, I have looked forward to your posts, and soulscape's posts, and housemouse when she could.

Asker
06-29-2011, 11:13 PM
Thought I'd share this in here just in case our super astros missed it.
They sure do look soooo alike to me. I'll look for TOB. I think Tuba said if someone dies and has ancestry.com they can find out the info. I dont have any of those programs so I'll try and search for it.


The man below is Caylee Anthony’s father… if you believe Michael Duggan’s mother, who is “100 percent certain” she is the dead 2-year-old’s paternal grandmother, and is willing to submit to lie-detector and DNA tests to prove it.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/28/caylee-anthony-s-daddy-solving-the-riddle.html

I found this site for his obituary

Michael P. Duggan Plymouth Michael P. Duggan, of Plymouth, by car accident on October 30, 2007
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/southofboston-ledger/obituary.aspx?n=michael-p-duggan&pid=97113987

If you have Ancestry.com you can search the Social Security Death Index for some information about dead people including their birth date but you won't get a time of birth. I used to have Ancestry but they now want $155.00/year and that is too rich for me.

FifthEssence
06-29-2011, 11:15 PM
"The smell of the car & he can still smell it when he closes his eyes, didn't want to believe 'at that time' his daughter could do something like this, there's a difference between trash and garbage.Casey was the last one I saw with Caylee and 1+1 adds up.
I need to get through this...something inside of me...
You're trying to take this little JOY of my life away from me and you can't do that anymore "


Back in January this year, Tuba wrote this about GEORGE
George is blessed with a powerful Leo Mars and Pluto and his dignity is being offended; he has to ready his retort, in order to save himself. If he has gone along to get along due to pressures even beyond what The Team presents, it is overdue to bring this "cooperation" (submission) to a halt.

George did not disappoint. This is about HIS Little CAYLEE

Frigga
06-29-2011, 11:47 PM
If you have Ancestry.com you can search the Social Security Death Index for some information about dead people including their birth date but you won't get a time of birth. I used to have Ancestry but they now want $155.00/year and that is too rich for me.

This is what I found- does this look correct?
Name: Michael P. Duggan
SSN: 027-70-9727
Born: 14 May 1983
Died: 27 Oct 2007
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (1988)

Carolina Girl
06-30-2011, 12:00 PM
I would like to say how much I enjoy reading here. I appreciate all of the work by ALL of the astrologers. I hope you all will forgive any shortcomings that you have felt by any of us. Nothing has been intentional.
I did not know that Housemouse is gone again either. I hope alll is well with her and her husband.

katydid23
06-30-2011, 01:03 PM
When they come back from the lunch recess the Moon will be exactly trine to Neptune. Moon trine Neptune signifies 'magical thinking, imaginative discussions, inventive lies."

MAYBE she will take the stand.

ETA: so the Moon/Neptune trine will be the DT submitting the duct tape records

AND THE DEFENSE RESTING. They rest their case exactly upon Moon trine Neptune.

watchinginky
06-30-2011, 01:36 PM
KC is NOT going to testify. The judge addressed her and she said it was her decision. Approx. time was 1:34-1:36 pm.

Paulette
06-30-2011, 03:22 PM
KC is NOT going to testify. The judge addressed her and she said it was her decision. Approx. time was 1:34-1:36 pm.

There is one asteroid "Caseynicole" #21700, at 23:28 Rx, Sag exactly conjunct the NN 23:28 Sag, at 1:34 pm in the 3rd house - which conjuncts Caylee's Vertex, 23:15 Sag. (I won't comment on the implication of an identifying moniker conjunct the NorthNode.)

That asteroid "Caseynicole" is 23:15 LEO in Caylee's natal chart - that gives a perfect trine to her NN, 23:15 Sag.


There are 5 asteroids that have KC + a second name which I've used, but until the 1:34 pm chart there was really no way to know which would take precedence. Rarely is there a name without an additional 2nd name. I've found time and again that it still works!

Frigga
06-30-2011, 04:05 PM
Paulette, is it inappropriate to comment on the moniker conjunct the NorthNode? Can you give just basic interpretations? TIA~ Frigga

TakingALook
06-30-2011, 08:59 PM
I just want to again, THANK ALL who post on this thread for the ‘interpretations’ of all the charts since I have been reading here. And to let everyone know that it was this thread that I came to each and every day for understanding throughout this case. I always found answers to things as they were happening. AMAZING – I still plan to try and study how Astrology charts our paths.

However, tonight I really feel sick. And I still have so many questions as to how this trial was presented and tried.


I have sat on a few trials, seen and sat in on several also, but never have I seen one like this –a Death Penalty. This case, for me was STRANGE for what was NOT SAID. ….but always explained thru the charts.
Who knows what would have transpired if it weren’t for HHJBP’s expertise of LAW on everything since his taking over the case.

I will pray for everyone involved (and that includes US here at WS) for guidance and understanding when this verdict is handed down and that Justice is found for our little ‘sunshine’ Caylee Marie.

Again “Thanks for Everyone’s continued Hard Work …..I so appreciate each and every one of you". Respectfully, TAL.

LambChop
07-01-2011, 12:28 PM
Seek the answers to some of your questions, on the Astro Calendar The varied styles of our astrologers are all THERE and located, with titles, for the convenience of all


Dear Tuba, this trial has certainly been stressful on all of us here at WS's. Try as we all do to understand why a young mother who had the opportunity to have the "Bella Vita" she desired would choose to ruin her life and the lives of others around her still to this day astound us all.

When those of us who respect astrology but have no clear understanding of how to read a chart come here to find answers to our questions all the astrologers here have bent over backwards to fullfil our need to know. I know I am so grateful for your posts, Tuba and those of Housemouse who originally brought me to this thread with her insightful readings of her charts always reminding us that they are open to interpretation depending on who is doing the chart. It amazes me how everyone can put these charts together and read them and how spot on they are. All our astrologers are respected here by most of our members. Although I have not mentioned all the astrologers who post here I love reading them all.

This has been a crazy year but at the end of this trial I hope we all have a better understanding of what type of person it takes to kill their own child. Too much of this type of behavior is happening and maybe, just maybe the exposure of this trial will help families recognize Mom's who need some serious intervention and get them help. I think the day KC told her friend she needed to go away for some mental health issues was the day someone should have taken her seriously.

I understand your frustration because of all the hard work you have all done to put those charts up there for our viewing. Unfortuately many of the posters just do not understand the way in which looking at the Indictment Chart is important to particular days during the trial. I confess to being one of them. I know as hard as I try to understand astrology some things are like Greek to me, lol. Just want you all to know that I am still trying and I will eventually "get it" thanks to all of you guiding us along. And we all know this is the conclusion of KC's trial but not the end of the nightmare that is happening to innocent children.

I love reading here and can't thank you all enough but when I do you need to know it is from the bottom of my heart. But it's okay to give us a wakeup call because how else will we learn. I was out of the country most of this month and did not have access to a computer (HLN was all I had, ugh) and I'm not sure what has happened but just wanted you all to know I just LOVE you guys and want you all to know you are doing a great service here.

Thanks is never enough.

Asker
07-01-2011, 05:48 PM
This is what I found- does this look correct?
Name: Michael P. Duggan
SSN: 027-70-9727
Born: 14 May 1983
Died: 27 Oct 2007
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (1988)

Yes, that is correct and clearly from the Social Security Death Index. While this information tells me his birthdate, it does not give me times nor where he was born or where he died for that matter.

Even though there is missing data I ran an untimed chart for Michael using Boston as his city of birth although all I really know is that his mother lives in Boston now per news web sites. I then compared his chart to Caylee's timed birth chart.

It is very hard and perhaps even impossible to know from an astrology chart precisely who one's parents really were. Too many other issues can and do pop up such as adoption and step-parenting.

Some aspects I found in comparing their charts were: Caylee's Sun at 16 Leo in her 12th house squares his Sun at 20 Taurus on Caylee's MC and his Venus at 5 Cancer squares Caylee's Moon at 4 Libra.

FWIW there was a Solar Eclipse/New Moon at 9 Cancer this morning that triggered a Cardinal Grand Square in the heavens as follows: The Sun/Moon Eclipse Point squared Saturn at 10 Libra, opposed Pluto at 6 Capricorn Rx, and also squared Uranus at 4 Aries.

Thus this Grand Square activated the Venus in Cancer and Moon in Libra positions in Michael and Caylee's charts as mentioned above. While he may not be her father, this issue is probably something that is still being pursued by his mother.

My own opinion is that it unlikely that he is Caylee's father. With her Sun in her 12th house opposing Neptune in her 6th house--I don't believe we will ever find out who really was Caylee's father.

katydid23
07-01-2011, 05:58 PM
So today as she was being escorted back into custody people said she was kind of resisting it and acting out a bit. Here is the description of the transits she is having now. The CARDINAL GRAND SQUARE sits atop her T-square.

ETA: other people are saying she was actually laughing and smiling and throwing up her hands in relief. But as she sat at the table at the end she was very animated as she spoke with JB and CM and seemed like she was excited about something. It is a perfect image for a GRAND CROSS because she has the Prosecutor standing in front of her, The Bailiff standing behind her, her Attorney alongside her, and she is sitting reading the judges regulations for the CLOSING STATEMENTS, which she is angrily responding to. She was surrounded and blocked by circumstances beyond her control.

Casey gets angry after court
http://www.wftv.com/video/28424275/index.html
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A Cardinal Grand Square implies being locked into a situation in which things are moving forward quickly, forcefully, in spite of one's personal input or desires. Change is coming and it is out of one's personal control.

One looks at the planets involved to decipher the how's and why's and who's the situation. In this case the Saturn , Uranus and Pluto describe what she is locked into.
Saturn in Libra= Justice, Legal Decisions, Government
Uranus in Aries= Revolution, Sudden Rebellion, Quick Change,Revolt
Pluto in Capricorn = The Dictator, Power, Invisible Forces, Fate

REBELLION against JUSTICE/LEGAL DECISIONS which create FATEFUL CIRCUMSTANCES

This describes the upcoming planetary pattern which ICA finds herself locked into. imoo
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Morgenstern
07-01-2011, 08:58 PM
Hi everyone,

I am new here and want to say hello, though I won´t be a regular visitor due to time and etc. Though I want to say that the work here, in using mostly traditional astrology, really impresses me. I hope you can all continue this. I really get good insights and want to deeply thank you for that.

I am not so deep into astrology (transits, trad astr, etc) and therefore use if possible asteroids to get a more detailed picture.

And so I just want to add, that Casey has the asteroid damocles conj Jupiter, which leaves me with the impression that she might get away (from death penalty). Also in the chart from another forum her AC ruler (sun- also father (!) in day charts) (if true) in 8 combusts mercury(ruler2, body) (both pisces- injection).

I also tried the mentioned "skuld" (pls forgive, but I forget who it was) and it is conj her mercury.

Never checked the outcome of this approach.. : / ..

Paulette
07-01-2011, 09:03 PM
Paulette, is it inappropriate to comment on the moniker conjunct the NorthNode? Can you give just basic interpretations? TIA~ Frigga

The basic interpretation would be mine. I doubt asteroids have power other than as sign posts.

The NN is a point of destiny & she made it know that this decision not to testify & back up the sexual abuse charges is her choice & negates JB's opening statement.

If one had her birthtime, we could look at her arabic parts & determine if there is more to her name being at 23 Sag. conjunct the NN.

Tuba
07-02-2011, 02:03 AM
read post 453 and 454 on the calendar for October 14, 2008. The Day of the INDICTMENT. It was somewhat important, you much realise.

Lovejac
07-02-2011, 03:08 AM
Another chart I refer to when I am feeling scared justice will not prevail.

It always makes me feel better.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #2

LambChop
07-02-2011, 07:57 AM
read post 453 and 454 on the calendar for October 14, 2008. The Day of the INDICTMENT, if you prick your memory. It was somewhat important, you much realise.

Thank you for the jog that was very helpful. One thing that always puzzled me is the night of June 15, 2008 when the neighbors claimed there was a big fight. Lee states CA choked KC. When we see how fast KC changes before our eyes from sitting in front of the jury, sad eyed until the time they are removed and she suddenly becomes a flirty, social butterfly with JB or others on her team I wonder if that "choking" incident was about Caylee. That it's possible on that trip back from Mt. Dora Caylee revealed just how sadistic her mother really is.

I also feel that KC may have been trying that chloroform mixture out on the dogs after hearing CA state on the stand that there was something wrong with the dogs in March. They were sleeping too much and lethargic. Also two dogs mother and offspring died within months of each other while KC was a teen. Too many strange things happened within that family and I feel we have only seen the tip of the iceberg.

Paulette
07-02-2011, 10:57 AM
I may just have to eat my words on asteroids having no power - they may be more than mere sign posts. Last night I put in "Child", "Cosicosi", and "Munchausen" in the prisoner's chart. They all reside at 22 Aquarius.

On Feb. 25 & 26th 2008, Neptune transited her natal asteroids at 22 Aquarius.

The prisoner has "Medea" conjunct Mars 25 Sag. - they were being transited by "Medea", "Cosicosi" and "Caylee" exact on Feb 25 & 26th.

Caylee has "Cosicosi" 11 Aquarius, which was being transited by Mercury & Venus on Feb. 25th & 26th.

It seems to be all of a piece for a perfect storm, for someone with a fevered brain! On or about this date, Feb. 25 & 26 is where it all began. The idea began fermenting, Neptune being the catalyst.

Cosicosi is Italian for indifference. Mark Andrew Holmes says this about it: Apathy, aloofness, inattention, unconcern, lack of feeling, passion, interest or curiosity. Even cavalierness or callousness. Impassiveness, like you or someone or something else just doesn't matter at all. Cosicosi lends a special quality of self-interestedly not giving a damn to whatever it touches, in your natal, by transit, by direction or by progression.

http://markandrewholmes.com/cosicosi.html

He describes Munchausen as " the telling and/or believing of lies, especially big ones told repeatedly and routinely."

http://markandrewholmes.com/munchhausen.html

Medea murdered her children.

And don't forget, her natal Uranus 22 Sag is sextile to anything at her natal 22 Azuarius.

If she has a late Sag rising, her Mars & Medea would be in the 12th house. Unseen - operating behind the scene.

Posting a chart just doesn't work for me - never comes out right!