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Intermezzo
05-26-2011, 05:06 PM
CM wants a mistrial?

Of course....one of his many threats to the Court IMO

tehcloser
05-26-2011, 05:06 PM
Oh, "they filed a memo on that", well.....................

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:07 PM
Dante S is a member of Websleuths.

On behalf of Websleuths we are very grateful for the time Dante has taken to answer our questions about Casey.

As we all watched Dante on the stand today we know without a doubt he is a good guy.

Dante goes by NitrousPowrdSS

Here are some older threads and posts of Dante so you can catch up if you like.
Dante's chat thread
The real Dante S. stops by for a chat!!! - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71666)

Part 2
The real Dante S. stops by for a chat!!! #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71741)

Special on TLC - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133722)

This is where I respect AL very much. He stayed away from talking or profiting about the case, as did others called as witnesses. It only brings defense opportunity as we have seen.

LancelotLink
05-26-2011, 05:07 PM
She is also charged with lying to LE during the investigation of a missing child, CM. AND I don't believe I have heard any witness asked if Casey showed remorse.

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:07 PM
Casey very animatedly talking to JB.

nursebeeme
05-26-2011, 05:08 PM
CM still saying he will file a mistrial

hhjp: are you doing this (state) for lack of remorse because if you are IT IS A PROBLEM

State says no... it would only be an aside and not why it is being argued

marie-chantal
05-26-2011, 05:08 PM
What???? Casey's Demenor is a huge huge part of this case. UGH, CM knows it makes his client look guilty because SHE IS!.

I completely agree, and slightly off topic, I just have to say that I love your avatar! So cute.

Blue Ridge
05-26-2011, 05:08 PM
CM wants a mistrial?

Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Camille
05-26-2011, 05:08 PM
Oh no! Not a mistrial already?

nursebeeme
05-26-2011, 05:08 PM
hhjp has not taken it as lack of remorse... he takes it as her disposition after "events"

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:08 PM
JA says the demeanor is not being offered to show lack of remorse. HHJP says it can show that as an aside. HHJP says it shows her conduct after these "so called tragic events".

JSR
05-26-2011, 05:08 PM
LOL after the so called tragic events- HHJP

whiteangora
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
CM is full of hot air! He can ask for the moon, doesn't mean he will get it. Mistrial....pffffttt.
Why don't the State say they are trying to prove she wasn't searching for Caylee?

Horace Finklestein
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
Common sense not supported by case law I guess. Wondered how long it would be till the defense threatens mistrial. Unbelievable.

Quiche
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
Casey very animatedly talking to JB.

Does she think she's going home soon? :loser:

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
You are not alone. Regardless of how bellowing CM was, the young adult witness was quite disrespectful, IMO.

Normal people are uncomfortable with that. They don't know the person, the attorney I would hope. They just got that interaction. Made the witness juvenile. imo

LadyL
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
I don't understand why they can't show lack of remorse?

if it's relevant to show her conduct, and her conduct is unremorseful ... then WTH?

argh, I'm confused now

eaglemom
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
HHJP - I have not taken it as 'lack of remorse' I have taken it as conduct. defense has offerred up it's opening as drowning and is relevant as such

denied/court stands behind previous rulings

Elphaba
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
Broderick makes some good points, people...

rice09
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
Wow ICA is fuming mad about something!!

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:09 PM
HHJP pointing out theres been no evidence to show GA disposed of the body of Caylee.

HHJP says the evidence is not being offered to show lack of remorse and is standing behind his earlier ruling.

Intermezzo
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
CM says the questioning of friends is improper because it is questioning on the issue of "lack of remorse" and CM will move for a mistrial.

Oh come on!!!! IMO it is not improper.
IMO these witnesses are all testifying to what ICA was doing and where she was during June and July 2008 when she herself stated she was conducting her own investigation to try and find Caylee and ZFG...
IMO these witnesses testimonies show that ICA was NOT looking for Caylee but enjoying her very own Bella Vita WITHOUT Caylee.
:twocents:

nursebeeme
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
bam!

court will stand behind previous rulings

now dealing with grand jury testimony

State says that the court needs to review testimony and review in camera and decide if anything is exculpatory or impeaching

ynotdivein
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
CJBP about to deny the defense objection based on their own opening statements!

The court will stand behind its previous rulings.

:skip:

Darla
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
Defense wants mistrial - they know they're screwed. They are desperate!

eaglemom
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
JA recommends that HHJP does in camera review of grand jury testimony

nursebeeme
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
is DT trying to impeach George?

((duh of course they are)))

Cher352
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
Wish JA had brought up these questions also go to show that she was not out investigating as she stated she was in both the 911 call and LE investigation.

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
and they are going to bring GA's testimony in. Wow. Wow.

Tiki
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
She thought a mistrial would be declared today like
JB promised

xin
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
Common sense not supported by case law I guess. Wondered how long it would be till the defense threatens mistrial. Unbelievable.

Next week they'll be singling out jurors they want to get rid of.

jon_burrows
05-26-2011, 05:10 PM
I think I just read ICA's lips...'This has nothing to do with this case, nothing'. Said angrily to Baez while JBP was denying their objection.

She better chill because JBP is looking her way.

IMO

RR0004
05-26-2011, 05:11 PM
State is pretty sure of George's testimony.

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:11 PM
HHJP is going to review the grand jury testimony. SA will provide a transcript tomorrow.

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:11 PM
Defense wants mistrial - they know they're screwed. They are desperate!

Their job is to do so.

wandering
05-26-2011, 05:11 PM
I think Baez, in his question to Stutz, provided the motive for Casey to murder her child. He asked if Casey told him she didn't want to go out or drink because she didn't want to leave Caylee with her parents. Stutz answered "yes."

So, after little Caylee is no longer there, Casey is happy and parties almost non-stop.

I wonder how many jurors noticed that, as I did?

darcedarce
05-26-2011, 05:11 PM
is DT trying to impeach George?

((duh of course they are)))

I'm not good with these things...if they are successful what does that mean for GA or the case?

Sleuths4Me
05-26-2011, 05:11 PM
Anyone able to read her lips while she was going off?

LadyL
05-26-2011, 05:11 PM
as an aside, judge looked like he was going to faint or have a heart attack just after he dismissed the jury
he stood up, kinda leaned back a bit & swallowed hard ...
I was worried there for a second ... but he seems ok now

iluvmua
05-26-2011, 05:11 PM
If this keeps on going on: Mistrial, JB objecting to almost every little thing, i could
see ICA Plead guilty. I could be wrong on that though. and I hope I am .

Intermezzo
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
CM: bringing into court Judge eaton (called him brother eaton) brought in caselaw that not right to bring in remorse (saying that friends saying she was happy, etc goes to that)

State - evidence is relevant to rebut defense claim one of kidnapping (version one and two) and defense's version of accidental death. demeanor of ICA is relevant

bbm
Are Cheney Mason and Judge Eaton members of the Masonic Lodge? they call themselves Brother________

RR0004
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
Next week they'll be singling out jurors they want to get rid of.
Seems like someone is tired of hearing her "friends" speak.

JSR
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
Uh JB give me a break. MILs are filed all the time during trial.

Stella5
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
OMG ... JA based on conduct of certain counsel, we'll put it in writing! SLAP DOWN!

nursebeeme
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
state says it is going to file a motion to prohibit questions that ellicit heresay

mombomb
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
I love that JA is ready to deal with all his matters NOW rather than later. Let's get on with it!

logicalgirl
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
Good Grief - Baez is asking if something is being filed in a timely manner!!! LOL!!!

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
Defense wants mistrial - they know they're screwed. They are desperate!


If this keeps on going on: Mistrial, JB objecting to almost every little thing, i could
see ICA Plead guilty. I could be wrong on that though. and I hope I am .

I see the same thing.

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
JB in disbelief: "A motion in limine in the middle of a trial? You're past your deadline."

JA "The motion is based on behavior of the defense."

nursebeeme
05-26-2011, 05:12 PM
I'm not good with these things...if they are successful what does that mean for GA or the case?

if they impeach him as a witness he could not testify

((my opinion won't happen))

jon_burrows
05-26-2011, 05:13 PM
Casey still talking a mile a minute WHILE JBP is talking.

IMO

bocephus
05-26-2011, 05:13 PM
Seems like someone is tired of hearing her "friends" speak.

They want to keep all of her "friends" out IMO

JSR
05-26-2011, 05:13 PM
Oh good lord Mr. Mason.

krt
05-26-2011, 05:13 PM
"This old bird doesn't want to work on Monday"........hmm....you want your client to sit an EXTRA day in jail when she is innocent? GMAFB

jojomonkey
05-26-2011, 05:13 PM
Defense wants mistrial - they know they're screwed. They are desperate!

What I find so pitiful is that they are wearing their belief in her guilt on their sleeves! It's SO obvious they know there isn't a snowball's chance she'll walk. The only thing that worries me is them pulling something to guarantee another trial, or another jury - like witness or jury tampering.

I really don't put anything past them, once they get through all their other options that will be shot down by the judge, they are going to start playing really dirty - that's my opinion.

mombomb
05-26-2011, 05:14 PM
Orange County gov. has cleared opening the courthouse on Monday. Sheriff's office has budget issues. CM doesn't want to work on Monday. (Figures). LDB says it will depend on whether they can get their witnesses as they are law enforcement.

gibby207
05-26-2011, 05:14 PM
Mistrial is their only hope. Scary huh?

Mistrial is their "Obi-Wan."

Jetaime
05-26-2011, 05:14 PM
Oh good lord Mr. Mason.

What did he say? I couldn't hear him....

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:14 PM
if they impeach him as a witness he could not testify

((my opinion won't happen))

Nobody has a clue what was said at the Grand Jury.

katydid23
05-26-2011, 05:14 PM
Defense opening statement (paraphrased): she was molested from childhood, learned to carry on as if nothing was wrong, desensitized to trauma, lying and acting "normal" became second nature to her. This assertion was impressed on the jury by the infamous/shocking sentence in DT opening.

Given the above, every witness for the State who has testified as to her appearing "normal", happy etc.. every witness who has testified to her lying about something (job, daughter whereabouts, future living conditions) ... all of this testimony (90% of the testimony so far) does nothing to contradict the DT assertion and in fact supports it.

The State had obviously intended to provide a multitude of witnesses to testify that she appeared unaffected by her daughter's death, but the DT shot a hole in that boat before the first witnesses were called. Same with the 31 days, its lost its relevance unless the State can can remove any reasonable doubt from the DT assertion(s) - and that won't be a trivial matter. IMO, there is a difference between no detectable change in behavior whatsoever (what we've heard to date), and small hints of something amiss. The former tends to support the DT story (conditioned to compartmentalize via trauma).

Aside from the effect of the testimony re: her disposition and behavior (neutral at best without anything else) the rest of the testimony from these particular witnesses thus far has additionally elicited that: no one could smell anything like decomp from the trunk, that (for the most part) she was at an attentive and/or loving mother, she was a light drinker, and she kept her relationship with her parents (and brother) as far away as possible from her friends/love interests both in the character of those relationships and the overlap. "Ever met her parents?", "No".

This is the State's case in chief, but its helping build the case for the defense, perhaps moreso than the State's...at least so far.

I disagree. First of all the defense did nothing to prove she was ever sexually abused. Just because Baez said it does not make it true. And I think the state may have upcoming testimony and evidence to refute that. [ Cindy, Lee AND her own jailhouse videos and the letters, where she says she MIGHT have a weird memory but she thinks it might just be a dream.]

Besides, even IF she were a victim of incest, that does not mean she would have no reaction to her child's death. Baez tried to make that seem like a true thing, that the jury should accept. Yet we are hearing testimony from her friends that she had lots of emotions during that time and was not 'disassociating' from certain events. She had very animated reactions to many things and seemed very reactive.

I think the state is doing a good job building the foundation for their assertions. They are showing us, day by day, where her interest and focus was. She was living the young, fun party life. Going out at night, at the mall during the day. I think this is vital to understanding her life.

They cannot 'fall' for the DT's bogus story and then fail to build their own case.

Chanler
05-26-2011, 05:15 PM
Two things:

1. It's remarkable how central to this case George Anthony has become.

2. The defense motion about "lack of remorse" was predictable and doomed. Obvious though, Casey's demeanor during this period does manifest an almost astonishing absence of emotion about what happened to her daughter. As much as I had read before, it still struck me as staggering.

MissDiva
05-26-2011, 05:15 PM
JB has serious mic issues.

JSR
05-26-2011, 05:16 PM
What did he say? I couldn't hear him....

He baulked at working on Memorial day because he's a veteran.

mombomb
05-26-2011, 05:16 PM
Who is Dr. Crop?

distracted 1976
05-26-2011, 05:17 PM
Who is Dr Crock?
And why am I not surprised that the DT has a Dr Crock?

iluvmua
05-26-2011, 05:17 PM
So court starts at 8:30?

HRCODEPINK
05-26-2011, 05:17 PM
Mistrial is their only hope. Scary huh?

Waste. Huge waste.

logicalgirl
05-26-2011, 05:17 PM
Oh boy - in recess until 8:30 - which is 5:30 for us West Coasties.....

Scamperoo
05-26-2011, 05:18 PM
You are not alone. Regardless of how bellowing CM was, the young adult witness was quite disrespectful, IMO.

I don't agree, what I saw was a witness doing his best to help, being helpful and cooperative. Suddenly CM jumps up, surly and rude and becomes combative for no reason I could understand. The witness became defensive because he had no reason to expect it. It was CM being disrespectful not the witness.

epiphany
05-26-2011, 05:18 PM
JBaez: Did TL disappear?

Quiche
05-26-2011, 05:18 PM
So court starts at 8:30?

Oh no, that hurts me, lol.

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:18 PM
TL coming back in!

RR0004
05-26-2011, 05:18 PM
Casey putting on her shoes.

iluvmua
05-26-2011, 05:18 PM
Tony coming back in....

LadyL
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
ho ho ho

admonishing the press about 'hounding' the defense team

the defense COMPLAINED to the judge ... unbelievable

mombomb
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
Court in recess at 5:16 until 8:30 tomorrow morning. (Oops - never mind - false alarm)

TL needs to come back in the morning for a proffer.

Defense has cried to the judge about not wanting to do interviews. HHJBP is asking the press to respect the DT's right to not do an interview.

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
JB wants to get TL back tomorrow for the purposes of proffer. HHJP suggests they do it now.

HHJP talking to the press about DT's claims that they are being hounded by the press. Seriously?? They went whining to the judge? It's none of the judges business - as he is so rightly pointing out.

GiantPickle
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
bummer - commercial during HHJP spanking of the press

suzihawk
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
Geez... JB can't even manage to turn his microphone on when speaking. How many times does he have to be told? :banghead:

LancelotLink
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
The defense does not want to give interviews.
The world has turned upside down.

Stella5
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
Tony back on the stand...

3doglady
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
ho ho ho

admonishing the press about 'hounding' the defense team

the defense COMPLAINED to the judge ... unbelievable

Whine, whine, whine.

logicalgirl
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
Who is Dr. Crop?

Krop - a shrink? - not sure if he is a psychologist or psychiatrist - not trying to be disrespectful.

grammieto5
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
speaking of interviews, my daughter told me this morning she saw JB on the Today show this morning, anyone know anything about that?

the seeker
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
TL back....

Anais
05-26-2011, 05:19 PM
you mean like this one?

OMG LOL that's the one! :great:

iluvmua
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Is the jury back in????

Darla
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
AL back on the stand!

Softail
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
O.M.G -

JB complained to the judge about the media. CJBP tells the media that the DT does not want to do any interviews. He has no control over it, but just telling them.

UNREAL!

JSR
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
The jury is out of the courtroom correct??????

Tulessa
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
I hope the press mobs them tonight! They are the ones that got the press involved sheesh!

eaglemom
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
TL - LEE tried to sexully abuse ICA

GiantPickle
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
did the jury come back in to hear TonE just now??????

RR0004
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Poor Tony...there all day.

jojomonkey
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Two things:

1. It's remarkable how central to this case George Anthony has become.

2. The defense motion about "lack of remorse" was predictable and doomed. Obvious though, Casey's demeanor during this period does manifest an almost astonishing absence of emotion about what happened to her daughter. As much as I had read before, it still struck me as staggering.

1. Remarkably sad - only because of the allegations by his own daughter. Poor guy was going to have a rough enough time getting thru this - now he has to try to clear himself of molestation and abuse? Disgusting.

2. Remorse wouldn't even be an issue for the defense if they did not KNOW she was guilty. Her lack of emotion is/was unnatural and inhuman. I think the state is also trying to present her personality to the jury which is HUGE in this case. It takes a certain type of person to commit murder, they have to show the jury that she in fact had the makeup to commit such an act.

Jetaime
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Well, there you have it! TL's *secret* is out. LA tried o sexually abuse ICA.

Lookylou
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Is this without the jury!?

logicalgirl
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Oh boy - Tony L. says Lee Anthony trying to abuse her sexually - I hope the Anthony's are still in the courtroom......

Plumeria5
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
This has probably already been brought up but CA parked her car and left it by that dumpster so the smell from the car would not be obvious next to the smell of the trash in the dumpster.

Eye Wonder
05-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Just got back is this in front of jury?

Anais
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
oh of course another story to TL, Lee Anthony tried to abuse her. What a liar.

BigFatMommyDog
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
speaking of interviews, my daughter told me this morning she saw JB on the Today show this morning, anyone know anything about that?

yep it was brought up - kinda funny with that new admonition to the press from the judge....

mankato64
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
No jury

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
TL says ICA told him that LA tried to sexually abuse her. TL was shocked & comforted her. Tried to change the subject so she wouldn't dwell on it.

epiphany
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
Tony L up.

LeeA tried to sexually abuse her.
I tried to comfort her.
Tried to change t subject so she wouldn't dwell on it.

LolaMoon08
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
Do victims of sexual abuse usually tell boyfriends of less than two months they have been sexually abused??

Stella5
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
Was the secret that Casey shared with you that she was sexually abused by her father

NO

What was the secret?

That her brother Lee was trying to abuse her.


There ya go ... just blew Baez's opening statement out of the water.

eaglemom
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
JB asked if it was George and TL said NO (no jury here)

mombomb
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
TL back on the stand. JB asking him about shared secrets. "Was the secret that Casey had shared with you that she had been molested by her father?" NO. The secret was that LA had tried to molest her. TL says he was shocked, but doesn't remember what his response was - probably tried to change the subject to get her mind off of it.

Eidetic
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
I knew it. Casey told TL LA tried to sexually abuse her.

Scamperoo
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
OMG! The more they try to throw everyone under the bus the less believable she becomes.

Cher352
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
Dang just shut my window...are they continuing?

fifteen89
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
Why didn't JB know what "secret" Casey shared with TL by asking Casey???

HRCODEPINK
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
I hope the press mobs them tonight! They are the ones that got the press involved sheesh!

Single handedly fought a gag order... Be careful what you wish for JB

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
WHY is he testifying to this with no jury there???

ynotdivein
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
:thud:

TL says ICA never told him GA sexually abused her. Says LA attempted to. He tried to brush off the conversation so she didn't focus on it.

GiantPickle
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
can someone explain what this is?

gibby207
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
Please tell me Cindy and George heard that....

Hunnie
05-26-2011, 05:21 PM
Oh boy - Tony L. says Lee Anthony trying to abuse her sexually - I hope the Anthony's are still in the courtroom......

yeah, sighs.....not good....not good...oh hold on...she only knew Tony for like only after she needed to cover her butt...
not gonna flush!

Hisimage
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
what is happening? Why without the jury? one of my employees came in.

3doglady
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
HLN has been showing video of Caylee with CA that I have never seen. Has anyone else?

Lookylou
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
did the jury come back in to hear TonE just now??????

Wondering the same thing!

RR0004
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
I think that Baez really wasn't sure where he was going with his questions...shouldn't have brought up the Lee statement first.

fifteen89
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Is this without the jury!?

yes......

logicalgirl
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Being disciplined by her father, not sexual abuse....JB still pushing this one....

eaglemom
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
TL - recalls ICA being 'disciplined' by GA

JSR
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
TL isn't giving him the info he wants ....

Chanler
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Defense opening statement (paraphrased): she was molested from childhood, learned to carry on as if nothing was wrong, desensitized to trauma, lying and acting "normal" became second nature to her. This assertion was impressed on the jury by the infamous/shocking sentence in DT opening.

Given the above, every witness for the State who has testified as to her appearing "normal", happy etc.. every witness who has testified to her lying about something (job, daughter whereabouts, future living conditions) ... all of this testimony (90% of the testimony so far) does nothing to contradict the DT assertion and in fact supports it.

The State had obviously intended to provide a multitude of witnesses to testify that she appeared unaffected by her daughter's death, but the DT shot a hole in that boat before the first witnesses were called. Same with the 31 days, its lost its relevance unless the State can can remove any reasonable doubt from the DT assertion(s) - and that won't be a trivial matter. IMO, there is a difference between no detectable change in behavior whatsoever (what we've heard to date), and small hints of something amiss. The former tends to support the DT story (conditioned to compartmentalize via trauma).

Aside from the effect of the testimony re: her disposition and behavior (neutral at best without anything else) the rest of the testimony from these particular witnesses thus far has additionally elicited that: no one could smell anything like decomp from the trunk, that (for the most part) she was at an attentive and/or loving mother, she was a light drinker, and she kept her relationship with her parents (and brother) as far away as possible from her friends/love interests both in the character of those relationships and the overlap. "Ever met her parents?", "No".

This is the State's case in chief, but its helping build the case for the defense, perhaps moreso than the State's...at least so far.

There is something almost amusing about the claims that both Casey's being unemotional and her courtroom emotions coincide with some undergraduate oversimplification of how sexually abused people act.

LyndyLoo
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Is this without the jury!?

Yes..NO JURY..this is proffer testimony Baez is showing the court what AL would be saying??

momtective
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Well, there you have it! TL's *secret* is out. LA tried o sexually abuse ICA.


No sexual abuse by GA!:great:
Wouldn't she have mentioned that or has she just tripped over her own lies.:floorlaugh:

MissDiva
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Do victims of sexual abuse usually tell boyfriends of less than two months they have been sexually abused??

Sometimes, yes. I had a couple of boyfriends I was very close to and talked to all the time, and I told them within a couple of months. It probably just came up somehow when talking about families.

nursebeeme
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
what is a profer? why wait until jury is out so they don't hear it?

Stella5
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Tony... definitely was NOT sexual abuse by GA that Casey complained about. Short discussion.

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Not sexual abuse by George but by LEE.

BigFatMommyDog
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
"are you sure? Aw come on say it sexual abuse. C'mon"

iluvmua
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
Do victims of sexual abuse usually tell boyfriends of less than two months they have been sexually abused??

I did

Ssejors
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
I like TL. I have said that before I know. But he is cute and he is obviously patient. The poor guy has been there since this morning.


And as far as i know the Jury is NOT there for this questioning.

bobloblaw
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
Tony L up.

LeeA tried to sexually abuse her.
I tried to comfort her.
Tried to change t subject so she wouldn't dwell on it.

ICA "SAID" that.

Softail
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
HA! Tony recalls that it was DISCIPLINE from George. DEFINITELY NOT SEXUAL ABUSE!

HRCODEPINK
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
Do victims of sexual abuse usually tell boyfriends of less than two months they have been sexually abused??

Possibly. She's young and all that. But my guess is that she was just seeking sympathy and attention. Sociopaths are all about the poor pitiful me, I need sympathy, blah, blah, blah.

mombomb
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
TL does recall her bringing up being disciplined by her father, but he doesn't remember. To his knowledge, it seemed like discipline to him. It definitely was not sexual abuse. He would recall that. It was definitely a short discussion. He doesn't recall the details. He does recall the word hitting. Nothing else. JB getting TL's transcript.

epiphany
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
TonyL:

i do recall her bringing up being disciplined by her father, but i don't recall, it seemed like discipline to me.

JB: can u recall for certain?

TL: i just dont know for sure. definitely not sexual abuse.

a short discussion
i do recall t word hitting

Intermezzo
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
Well, there you have it! TL's *secret* is out. LA tried o sexually abuse ICA.

No surprise here..at least not to me...iirc ICA said that to one of TL's roomates' as well

Lee I hope you are watching and get your Lawyer on the phone....ICA and the DT is coming after you for sexual molestation...and the world is hearing it now and will hear it some more...

Protect yourself young man.

Anais
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
DT is scrambling to put together a credible story. Before 6/30 08 of course all part of her plan imo.

logicalgirl
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
Can someone please remind me - what is a proffer and what is the purpose of it...

fifteen89
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
Was the secret that Casey shared with you that she was sexually abused by her father

NO

What was the secret?

That her brother Lee was trying to abuse her.


There ya go ... just blew Baez's opening statement out of the water.

Especially since JB said Lee tried but didn't get as far...
JB needs to get that Casey is a liar is a liar is a liar. (if he doesn't know that already)

Ssejors
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
Hhjbp questioning tl!


Yay! Clarification!!!! Finally!

bobloblaw
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
why are they doing this without the jury?

Eidetic
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
Do victims of sexual abuse usually tell boyfriends of less than two months they have been sexually abused??

I have not. My husband doesn't even know all the details of everything that's happened. When I feel like letting it go, I talk about as much detail as I am comfortable with.

There is a sense of shame and disgust I have, I don't want him to look at me differently and I certainly don't want pity from people. I also have trust issues and distance myself when details emerge.

gibby207
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
aw man.... I feel bad for Tony having to repeat this.

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
WILD stuff! Is the jury there.

the seeker
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
TL said the secret was about PHYSICAL abuse, hitting NOT sexual abuse by GA, but did tell him about LA. She was laying the groundwork for defense, in my opinion.

TL said LA tried to feel her up on her chest, but no place else. Doesnt recall how old she said she was.

3doglady
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
I feel bad for TL.

Hisimage
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
no sobbing today from ICA? can't see her.

Beyond Belief
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
ICA says "LA tried to feel her up" "ON her chest" "No place else". "Don't know how old she was". Attempt was made, but it didn't happen.
Abuse with GA. "Hitting", All he can remember. TL took it as discipline. When did they happen. When she was a child.
no more informatio

epiphany
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Judge questioning TL

TL: he tried to feel her up
Judge: where?
TL: on her chest
Judge: how old?
TL: definitely in t past, not in t present

eaglemom
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
TL - recalls word hitting - definitely not 'sexual' abuse by GA

HHJP asking questions now - when did she tell you this June 30 - July 5, 2008
what did Lee do to her - "tried to feel her up" "her chest"
any place else - "no sir"
approx age - "can't recall"
recent - child of tender years - "past"

JSR
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Are CA and GA in the Courtroom??

Guys did you catch that???
She alleged this right BEFORE he left NY. She was telling him this to solidify her relationship with him. She didn't want him going to NY. This was a total ploy on her part.

Softail
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
CJBP asking Tony about Lee abusing her. When, what did he do?

TL says she told him he attempted to feel her up. TL says she said it didn't happen.

bocephus
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
I am sorry....But hearing HHJP say "feeling up" is comical to me. But I believe this whole story was a lie

Apex-mom
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
what?! the JUDGE can ask questions???????? i didnt know THAT!!!!!!!

Darla
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
There she goes - shaking her head again

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Says ICA says GA hit her.

(Also this is not taking the 30 seconds that JB estimated.)

TL was told the LA abuse story right before he went to NY. Now being asked to recall in detail what ICA said LA did - he tried to "feel her up". TL specifies "on her chest". Can't recall what ICA said was her age at the time. Asking was it recent? Or age twelve and blow. TL says definitely in the past. She didn't attach an age as to how old she was. Was LA successful in "feeling her up"? TL says ICA said it was not successful.

Broderick
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
what?! the JUDGE can ask questions???????? i didnt know THAT!!!!!!!

Same thing here.

the seeker
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
now he said LA ATTEMPTED to feel her up, but didnt...

liltexans
05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
TL says ICA told her this information about Lee either before June 30 or after July 5, 2008.

Intermezzo
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
Possibly. She's young and all that. But my guess is that she was just seeking sympathy and attention. Sociopaths are all about the poor pitiful me, I need sympathy, blah, blah, blah.

bbm
I totally agree.

momtective
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
HHJP: Did she say whether or not He successful at feeling her up?

TL: She said "it didn't happen!"

Stella5
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
So... IMO ICA threw this out to guilt Tony into not going to NY. Poor me, I was abused and now I am upset.

They are proferring Tony to see if he can testify to support ICA's allegations of sexual abuse. This just backfired on the defense BIG TIME! They are trying to get out of having to put ICA on the stand to testify to the abuse. Profer means Tony can testify to heresay... not going to happen now.

jharres
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
Clarification, ICA told him that LA attempted to "feel her up", but did not actually do it....

JSR
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
Tears or almost tears from ICA. No real tears for Caylee but plenty for herself.

RR0004
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
30 seconds? Does Baez have a time issue?

Anais
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
Good heavens, ICA is the most toxic, lying venomous individual I have ever come across......

missm
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
Abuse! It didn't happen according to Tony!

Baez thwarted yet again!

logicalgirl
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
An attempt to feel her up but ICA said it didn't happen - it didn't happen.
Just hitting from George. What did you take that to mean when she said hitting - oh my god the Anthony's are still there listening to that - oh my god!!!

eaglemom
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
TL - tells HHJP - lee was not successful
GA - hit ICA (TL took it as discipline)

camera flashed - GA and CA in courtroom

BigFatMommyDog
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
ICA NOT happy with his response = I think she finally got caught in one of her lies - she thinks she told Tony GA molested here....

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
The abuse by GA was "hitting" as a child.

mankato64
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
CA and GA are there

mombomb
05-26-2011, 05:26 PM
HHJP asking TL questions. TL says ICA told him about abuse just before or after he went to NY. He recalls that LA tried to feel her up on her chest. No where else. He can't recall if she said what her age was. It was definitely in the past. She didn't attach an age. He couldn't recall anything else she said about it. ICA said it was an attempt - not successful. He is not aware of anything else happening.

Regarding GA abuse - he only remembers her saying hitting. He took that to mean discipline. He doesn't recall her saying anything else. This occurred as a child.

LolaMoon08
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Is the jury in the room??

Darla
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
George hanging his head hearing TL say George hit her.

Softail
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
TL saying that she was hit by George as a child.

gibby207
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
They are there and listening alright....

doogiesgirl
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
aw man.... I feel bad for Tony having to repeat this.

Me too....it is torture to watch, I can't even imagine being AL right now and having to repeat this.

moo

the seeker
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
They just showed CA and GA. THey are there

Intermezzo
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
ICA upset...TL not following her script...

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Showed GA in the gallery looking down - CA pursing her lips.

strach304
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
CA and GA look horrified.

Shadow5618
05-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Is the jury back in??

grandmaj
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
I feel so badly for Tony. How sad is this? He is just so embarrassed and upset.

Adrienne37
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
George and Cindy are definitely in the courtroom.

No tears from Casey at all, that's only reserved for when the jury is there.

the seeker
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Geeze, Baez....he said it was hitting. Now Baez is reading his original statement saying he wasnt sure what kind of abuse it was...uh oh.

RR0004
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
TL is much more subdued this afternoon...I only have yesterday to compare. But right now, he seems mortified.

gitana1
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Being disciplined by her father, not sexual abuse....JB still pushing this one....

As I surmised, GA was the only one who ever tried to discipline casey. She resented that and that's why it's easy for her to make these accusations now.


Can someone please remind me - what is a proffer and what is the purpose of it...

An offer of proof as to what evidence they intend to introduce or would like to introduce.

jharres
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Haha, every time he says "do you recall me asking....", for some reason I always get a picture in my head of that annoying guy that Chris Farley played on SNL. His character would interview people and the majority of the interview was, "yeah, um do you remember when you said....", "that was cool"....

BigFatMommyDog
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Jury is out

Ssejors
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
OH I HEART TONY! !


THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS TOTALLY CLEAR FOR US TL! You are now officially in my I heart you for helping Caylee books! TY TY TY

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Going over the depo where TL said he wasn't sure if the abuse by GA was physical or sexual & it would have been better to ask him this closer to the time - 2008.

LadyL
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Please tell me Cindy and George heard that....

yes and George was hanging his head down and Cindy was shaking her head no

logicalgirl
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Is the jury in the room??

No the jury is not there.

lemon
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
So let me get this straight. Her brother didn't molest her and her dad spanked her when she misbehaved? Hardly the terrible childhood Baez alleges.

bocephus
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Abuse! It didn't happen according to Tony!

Baez thwarted yet again!

Now what is he going to tell the jury

Intermezzo
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
what?! the JUDGE can ask questions???????? i didnt know THAT!!!!!!!

Yes JBP asks questions...he does not answer them...(JBP said so at one of the hearings)

mitzi
05-26-2011, 05:28 PM
GA and CA are there...I hope Cindy listened real hard about how KC is accusing her "good child" Lee of sexual abuse and throws her A$$ against the wall! I am just sickened, disgusted, etc. by this bunch of low-lifes.:sick:

LglNrs
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
The shot of CA and GA looking so sad is heartbreaking...They must now be realizing the sheeet that their beloved ICA has been saying about them, Behind their backs to her friends and lovers

strach304
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
Me too....it is torture to watch, I can't even imagine being AL right now and having to repeat this.

moo

Especially after finding out what a pathological liar she is. Using him to besmirch her family.

Stella5
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
They are there and listening alright....

No the jury is out... Tony is being subjected to Profer... which is to see if he can testify to heresay to things Casey told him. They are really trying to get someone to substantiate the sexual abuse allegations so ICA doesn't have to testify to it. EPIC FAIL on the defenses part!

LadyL
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
omg Tony has to probably come back tomorrow! that poor guy ...

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
TL excused "for the night".

Anais
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
I have not. My husband doesn't even know all the details of everything that's happened. When I feel like letting it go, I talk about as much detail as I am comfortable with.

There is a sense of shame and disgust I have, I don't want him to look at me differently and I certainly don't want pity from people. I also have trust issues and distance myself when details emerge.

Most do not. I did not. My DH did not find out until many, many years after our wedding. He is my very most best friend in the world. It isn't something we are generally comfy with just telling someone in a new relationship especially due to issues with trust!

SHE IS NOT A SA SURVIVOR! LIAR! :banghead:

the seeker
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
TL is excused: "For the NIGHT MR. Lazzario"-HHJPB

mombomb
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
JB asking him about phone deposition, second one. He recalled his answer that he did not recall whether the abuse was physical or sexual as it relates to GA - page 30. No more proffer by JB.

TL excused for the night.

Court recessed at 5:28 - back at 8:30 in morning.

Puzzler
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
They are there and listening alright....

There's no jury in the room.

momtective
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
Well there went the defenses case! :floorlaugh:

LolaMoon08
05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
So the jury wasn't even in the room??

Jetaime
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
George & Cindy as TL was testifying about GA's alleged *physical* abuse.

http://i51.tinypic.com/b86bza.jpg

gitana1
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
George hanging his head hearing TL say George hit her.

He probabkly spanked her a couple of times and she calims that was ":abuse". I think the jury should hear this!

3doglady
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
TL had to face GA and CA during all that.

Harmony2
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
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ynotdivein
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
Sidebar Thread!

missm
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
I'm loving every SECOND of this new, unexpected twart by Tony!

Why on EARTH would you ever ask a question you don't already know how the witness is going to answer? Hello?

Put that in your twart pipe and smoke it, Baez! LOLOLOL

Softail
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
Shouldn't the jury have heard that? :waitasec:

NocturnalLady
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
So will TL testify to that stuff for the jury now? Or does the judge have to rule on that at some point?

wenwe4
05-26-2011, 05:30 PM
I just got feed back on . . . . lost it for about 20 minutes



HHBP said original schedule was off on Memorial Day . . .will be working Saturday . . .bess guestimate at that time when do think wrap up?

JB: Waiting on things to be signed . . .

HHBP : authorized add'l 100 hours of the 200 hours requested . . .
Jb asking for transcripts . . .

HHBP asking rates from Dr. Krop (sic) if consistent w/JAC rates

take up motion in limine tomorrow am? recess til 8:30 in the morning . . .

HHBP talking about public property . . .

Mr. Lazaro . . still under oath . . .
JB: profer testimony . . .regarding shared secrets . . . kc shared her that she was abused by her Father . .

TL: NO~

TL Lee (her Brother) tried to touch her . . . . .

shocked, quickly change subject so she would not dwell upon it . .. . from my personality, I would be trying to change the subject.

JB is that because you didn't know how to deal with that?
TL . . .correct!

JB want to ask you (will get transcipts) do you recall any discussions about her Father . . .

TL recalls abuse but definately it was NOT sexual abuse . . . short discussion . . don't recall details . . . he does recall the word "hitting" (did not agree to JB's word "abuse)

JB saying they are getting his file from outside .

HHBP . . when did KC tell you about LA abuse
TL before June 30 or after July 5th (think I got that right)
said LA tried to feel her up on her chest . . .can't recall her approx age . . .

recent or child in past of tender years . .

TL in the past . . no age mentioned . . .
HHBP - attempt to feel her up

TL : Kc said "it did not happen" . . he tried to attempt to feel her up . . .

TL : re GA . . . hitting that is all I remember . . . .I took it as discipline



She said GA hit her as a child . . .

JB: remember our deposition over the phone . . .page 30 line 13-17 . . .

so you don't know if it is physical or sexual . . it could have been if you would have asked me at the time it would hav been easier . . . it was 2/2011 when asked questions . . .he can't recall if there was any kind of abuse . . .

No further information . . .

TL excused for the night.

Recess til 8:30 tomorrow morning .

KC looks extremely angry . . short words to JB . . . wish I could read lips . . .kc shaking head. . . lots of grimacing of her mouth (IMO) . . . Jb whispering to her . . . she is talking to him and shaking her head @ DS . . .heads to the door . . .