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beach
06-05-2011, 10:03 AM
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beach
06-05-2011, 10:03 PM
I'm going to try to clarify a few things so hopefully we are a little clearer about what is okay to post in this thread and what is to be saved for Sidebar. Hope this helps. :)

Re: posting Tweets - Previously we have requested that all tweets be restricted from this thread and posted in the Twitter thread. Posting single tweets from anyone inside the courroom that can shed light on what we are unable to see via our monitors are fine to post here. (note: repetitive, multiple posts of the same tweet will be removed at mod discretion so they do not clog up the thread.) Most all of these will be from MSM reporters - I really can't think of any exceptions off of the top of my head. If they can tell us how jurors are reacting, that is huge, relevant info and we need to see it here. I ask that those of you who do post tweets still include them in the Twitter thread because we have many members who log in for a quick update and depend solely on that thread.


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beach
06-08-2011, 07:45 AM
:bump:

Kentjbkent
06-08-2011, 08:55 AM
Good Morning!!!

adb263
06-08-2011, 08:55 AM
Good Morning All!!!

Hope the body language expert doesn't look at GA and CA. They are sitting as far apart as possible while still sitting next to each other!! CA looks to be working on something yet again!! Wonder what it could be? Hopefully not a book.

Wise Old Owl
06-08-2011, 08:56 AM
Morning,

feed's up

ICA is in the courtroom

HHJP is at his door.

TotallyObsessed
06-08-2011, 08:56 AM
Good morning everyone! Go Team Caylee!!!!

Bon
06-08-2011, 08:56 AM
Morning everyone! :)

my2sense
06-08-2011, 08:57 AM
ICA has big bags under her eyes today. She looks very tired (but happy)

momtective
06-08-2011, 08:58 AM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/1A.jpg

http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/1AA.jpg

nursebeeme
06-08-2011, 08:58 AM
good morning everybody!

luckyme
06-08-2011, 08:58 AM
Uh oh why is CM standing?

Macushla
06-08-2011, 08:58 AM
I thought it looked like JB just snapped at Thwart William, anyone else notice that?

ohiogirl
06-08-2011, 08:58 AM
Good mmorning everyone. Thanks for watching this with me.

Softail
06-08-2011, 08:58 AM
WESH: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

WESH has PIP (picture in picture) Casey in small box at the bottom

WFTV:http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

NOTE: WFTV has 2 live feeds:

1 follows the action- http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

One on Casey all the time: http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html


Click Orlando:http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html

FOX:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live

Media player:http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

WFTVTV sound only: http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/coxradio/?callsign=WFTVTV

CNN http://live.cnn.com/

WDBO http://www.wdbo.com/caseyontrialvideo/

SillyJilly
06-08-2011, 08:58 AM
Good Morning!

TotallyObsessed
06-08-2011, 08:59 AM
Looks like ICA may be "tweeting"!!! It just looks as if she has a phone in her lap and is busy doing something.

faefrost
06-08-2011, 08:59 AM
:cup::cup:Good Morning

4realtho
06-08-2011, 08:59 AM
Oh, look at the little paralegal working hard on her case.

Wise Old Owl
06-08-2011, 08:59 AM
All Rise

Tiki
06-08-2011, 09:00 AM
I hope this dog handler doesn't take as long - I want to see the computer forensics people

.

faefrost
06-08-2011, 09:00 AM
Can anyone see what is going on with ICA this morning? She seems either a little strange or she is intensely focused on her fingerpainting under the table.

Openmyeyes
06-08-2011, 09:00 AM
Good morning all.

MelissaLee
06-08-2011, 09:00 AM
Good morning! HHJP - ready to proceed. JB putting something on the record - renew previous objection to calling Dep. Kristin Brewer (Harris).

Softail
06-08-2011, 09:00 AM
:lol:

JB has something to say, CJBP tells him ok, as long as it is less than a minute!

luckyme
06-08-2011, 09:00 AM
Here we go! objection. denied!

momtective
06-08-2011, 09:01 AM
Will we start off today with a sidebar? :dance:

BigFatMommyDog
06-08-2011, 09:01 AM
JB has an item for the record - objections under Harris, it is a matter of law that should be done outside the presence of the jury...and renew previous objections...

(dog evidence)

Wise Old Owl
06-08-2011, 09:01 AM
JB objecting to the dogs and the dog handlers yet again.

Wonder if he has a dog?

Mountain_Kat
06-08-2011, 09:01 AM
This BETTER not be another 3 hours of cadaver dog credential testimony! I'm serious!

Tulessa
06-08-2011, 09:01 AM
Links in my siggy :)

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:01 AM
Jury coming in.

RammerJammer
06-08-2011, 09:01 AM
Morning peeps! Ready for a new day!

FaerieB
06-08-2011, 09:01 AM
Good morning everyone. Can someone explain why JB seems to believe the dog handlers should be questioned without the jury present?

SurfieTX
06-08-2011, 09:02 AM
Saw George and Cindy Anthony in the hallway. They look exhausted. Totally spent. #CaseyAnthony
by stevehelling via twitter at 7:01 AM

Macushla
06-08-2011, 09:02 AM
JB objecting to the dogs and the dog handlers yet again.

Wonder if he has a dog?

No self respecting dog would have anything to do with him!

TortillaChip
06-08-2011, 09:02 AM
Good morning all. I don't think JB is too happy this morning. Most pundits on MSM are not giving him enough praise for his performance. He expected a big pat on the back. Ha Ha.

ahoyhoy
06-08-2011, 09:02 AM
HH explains to JB, and JB IGNORES his answer. No acknowledgement to the JUDGE. I just thought that was rude.

21merc7
06-08-2011, 09:02 AM
KC looks angry again, she really hates the dog evidence

Chiquita71
06-08-2011, 09:03 AM
This BETTER not be another 3 hours of cadaver dog credential testimony! I'm serious!

:yes: If it is, I think I will wait and save my energy for true "testimony."

Celt1997
06-08-2011, 09:03 AM
This BETTER not be another 3 hours of cadaver dog credential testimony! I'm serious!

I have a feeling we'll have to see all of the credentials, again, for "Bones" the dog. Something to do with the Florida Supreme Court saying that Dog Evidence can be grounds for mistrial, or be thrown out, if everything is not crossed and dotted ahead of time. It is a bit tedious, but the SA is taking no chances.

MADJGNLAW
06-08-2011, 09:03 AM
I love Judge Perry...as long as it's under a min Baez lol:floorlaugh:

faefrost
06-08-2011, 09:03 AM
HHJP seems in a better mood today. He is schooling JB on matters of the law rather than shooting him down with "NO!"

SillyJilly
06-08-2011, 09:03 AM
HH explains to JB, and JB IGNORES his answer. No acknowledgement to the JUDGE. I just thought that was rude.

Would you expect any less?

Shannon33
06-08-2011, 09:03 AM
I have seen ICA using what looks to be a laptop computer a couple times now during the trial... Is this normally allowed? How do they know she isn't using it to contact people? You can even send text messages from the Internet now...

Softail
06-08-2011, 09:03 AM
Kristen Brewer is up! Dog Handler!

nursebeeme
06-08-2011, 09:03 AM
Looks like she has a large training manuel in her hands (KBrewer)....

Quiche
06-08-2011, 09:04 AM
Good morning! I'm interested to hear what Bones has to say. :D

logicalgirl
06-08-2011, 09:04 AM
Nice start to the day - Defence Objection Denied.
My kind of day!
I think Baez was objecting to hearing what kind of training the dog and the dog handler have had? Dunno - HHJP only gave Baez one minute to charge through his objection...I'm on my second cup of coffee...Need more.....

Softail
06-08-2011, 09:04 AM
She is with Osceola County.

Blue Ridge
06-08-2011, 09:04 AM
KB not looking at jury..

gelfie68
06-08-2011, 09:04 AM
So in other words Mr. Baez, You are the party who is stating that cadaver dogs are unreliable. So YOU have brought the issue of having to prove the dogs have rec'd adequate training and experience!

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:04 AM
Kristin Brewer, patrol supervisor, 16 years experience. Collateral duty handling canines, since 2005

sleutherontheside
06-08-2011, 09:05 AM
This will be like yesterday.....the same runthrough of the training of the dog and handler BEFORE the case.

amandab
06-08-2011, 09:05 AM
Good morning everyone. Can someone explain why JB seems to believe the dog handlers should be questioned without the jury present?

Fear?

SurfieTX
06-08-2011, 09:05 AM
Ms. Brewer does not look at the jury when she answers, unlike past officers/FBI experts and witnesses.

stilettos
06-08-2011, 09:05 AM
No self respecting dog would have anything to do with him!

Except to bite him on the arse!

Malini2001
06-08-2011, 09:05 AM
I recall this K9 handler did better on the stand during the Frye hearings than Forgey. Forgey was much better this time around.

butwhatif?
06-08-2011, 09:05 AM
ICA hard at work (or hardly working) & JB's first objection of the day...

momtective
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
Kristin Brewer
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/1AAA.jpg

sleutherontheside
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
sidebar coming up.

Celt1997
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
Looks like she has a large training manuel in her hands (KBrewer)....

Yeah, they need all of that information. Here is a short article explaining why the SA needs all of this information. It seems the Florida State Supreme Court is not happy with all of the dogs being used without any sort of State Standard. This case directly dealt with drug dogs, but it applies to all service K-9's.

Florida Supreme Court throws out evidence found by drug dog (http://www.dailybusinessreview.com/PubArticleDBR.jsp?id=1202491061034&hbxlogin=1)

From the short article:

The 5-1 drug-sniffing dog ruling says training certificates and records aren’t enough to establish a canine’s reliability.

Given the lack of standards, prosecutors also must present other evidence including field performance records and an explanation of each dog’s training. They also must present evidence on the experience and training of the officer who is handling the dog.

jmfstl
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
Sidebar??

FaerieB
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
Ms. Brewer does not look at the jury when she answers, unlike past officers/FBI experts and witnesses.

It wouldn't surprise me if the DT tries to use that to their advantage. LOL!

luv
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/122gkjt.jpg

Mountain_Kat
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
I have a feeling we'll have to see all of the credentials, again, for "Bones" the dog. Something to do with the Florida Supreme Court saying that Dog Evidence can be grounds for mistrial, or be thrown out, if everything is not crossed and dotted ahead of time. It is a bit tedious, but the SA is taking no chances.

Well, if it is, I guess I'll just get a jump on my housework.

Too bad the jury is held hostage. Bet they'd have given anything to leave and go dust some furniture during all that yesterday. ;)

Chiquita71
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
I have seen ICA using what looks to be a laptop computer a couple times now during the trial... Is this normally allowed? How do they know she isn't using it to contact people? You can even send text messages from the Internet now...


Thank you!

:blowkiss: Shannnon

BigFatMommyDog
06-08-2011, 09:06 AM
Ms. Brewer does not look at the jury when she answers, unlike past officers/FBI experts and witnesses.

She's very nervous - so was Forgey when he started yesterday but LDB got him settled in and comfy so that when JB was on cross Forgey was not taking nuttin from him...

suzihawk
06-08-2011, 09:07 AM
Who is this new addition to the DT - the AA woman at the far end of the table? Anyone know?

ahoyhoy
06-08-2011, 09:07 AM
KC checks out the prosecutor up n down----checking her out like she's STILL concerned about being the cutest in the room. WAKE UP KC!!! You're facing the needle!

SillyJilly
06-08-2011, 09:07 AM
I recall this K9 handler did better on the stand during the Frye hearings than Forgey. Forgey was much better this time around.

Maybe it's because it is still early, but I was going to say this witness seems a little more nervous than the witnesses yesterday. I'm sure she has lots of experience on the stand, she just seems uncomfortable up there.

minazoe
06-08-2011, 09:07 AM
Here we go..rock and roll!!!! good morning sleuthers!

logicalgirl
06-08-2011, 09:07 AM
Some guy from HLN said last night that yesterday was the first time he'd seen a change of mood in ICA since the trial started. He thought she seemed more concerned, more intimidated by the testimony than before - like it is getting to her.

Will watch for that today because I hadn't noticed that.

FaerieB
06-08-2011, 09:07 AM
IS at its finest:

InSession In Session
Kristin Brewer handled the bones found in the #CaseyAnthony case.

littlemisslegal
06-08-2011, 09:08 AM
here we go!

LaLaw2000
06-08-2011, 09:08 AM
Good morning!

Sgt. Brewer seems like a good witness!

Dr.Fessel
06-08-2011, 09:08 AM
KC looks angry again, she really hates the dog evidence

I have a feeling she hates dogs. Remember Cindy talking about the dogs throwing up and then the pet cemetery stuff.

nursebeeme
06-08-2011, 09:09 AM
the other dog handler covered quite a bit of Bones' training yesterday as well... so from 2005-2008 is what they will cover I am thinking...

Mountain_Kat
06-08-2011, 09:09 AM
We got all that testimony of Bones training through Forgey yesterday, so I'm hoping LDB realizes we don't need a recap.

TotallyObsessed
06-08-2011, 09:10 AM
Funny to me that bomb sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by the military, drug sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by DEA and other law enforcement entities, BUT death sniffing dogs are questioned by the great JB........just saying.

ETA: don't forget search and rescue dogs.......

ahoyhoy
06-08-2011, 09:10 AM
Maybe it's because it is still early, but I was going to say this witness seems a little more nervous than the witnesses yesterday. I'm sure she has lots of experience on the stand, she just seems uncomfortable up there.

Plus, she knows she's on television and will be scrutinized nationally.

Go, lady cop, GO!

luv
06-08-2011, 09:10 AM
http://i51.tinypic.com/w2in40.jpg

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:10 AM
Bones' handler. Bones background: from OCSO.

Did you do training?

Yes.

Sidebar.

LBD: Background/training prior to Bones arrival in 2005.

I did canine training as hobby.

LBD: So you understood Bones had undergone a period of training.

Yes.

LBD: Did his training paperwork go with him?

Yes.

LBD: Do you maintain records?

Yes.

LBD: Are you the only one who created that record?

Yes.

Approaching witness... witness looking at records.

LBD: Are these true and accurate records of Bone's training?

KB: Yes, ma'am.

Nali87
06-08-2011, 09:10 AM
She seems a little bit nervous. Hopefully she will be able to hold her own during cross.

ami
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
Seriously, the veterinary records?

Macushla
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
Does anyone else remember the female dog handler in the MSM video from the house having blond hair?

sleutherontheside
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
16150

nursebeeme
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
wesh live blog says KB is the 40th witness and the 46th testimony from the SA
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

Disguiseduser0308
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
Maybe it's because it is still early, but I was going to say this witness seems a little more nervous than the witnesses yesterday. I'm sure she has lots of experience on the stand, she just seems uncomfortable up there.

I think we're going to see a lot of nervous people. They're dealing with testifying in a case that has gone worldwide and there are cameras all over the place.

Softail
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
Bones and Gerus! :rocker:

They have NO financial interest in this case!

Bon
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
Funny to me that bomb sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by the military, drug sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by DEA and other law enforcement entities, BUT death sniffing dogs are questioned by the great JB........just saying.

ETA: don't forget search and rescue dogs.......

Good point! :)

Celt1997
06-08-2011, 09:11 AM
We got all that testimony of Bones training through Forgey yesterday, so I'm hoping LDB realizes we don't need a recap.

Yeah, but now they have to go through all of the training Bones went through, specifically, with this handler.

MissJames
06-08-2011, 09:12 AM
This BETTER not be another 3 hours of cadaver dog credential testimony! I'm serious!

I would offer you a :chillpill:,but as a mock juror you cannot be under the influence. :therethere:

FaerieB
06-08-2011, 09:12 AM
anthonycase WOFL
It us unusually warm and humid in this courtroom today. #caseyanthony # fox35

jmfstl
06-08-2011, 09:13 AM
JB objects to Bones records

HHJP looks over the records "ok they will be received into evidence over all previous objections of the defense"

2goldfish
06-08-2011, 09:13 AM
http://i51.tinypic.com/w2in40.jpg


she sure doesnt like the dogs at all, does she :|


I'm hoping for computer forensics guy today!

Soju
06-08-2011, 09:13 AM
Bones and Gerus! :rocker:

They have NO financial interest in this case!

But they're not chemists. Lol

rosiegirl04
06-08-2011, 09:13 AM
Funny to me that bomb sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by the military, drug sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by DEA and other law enforcement entities, BUT death sniffing dogs are questioned by the great JB........just saying.

ETA: don't forget search and rescue dogs.......

lets just hope beaz doesnt need any of these canines in the future.

stilettos
06-08-2011, 09:13 AM
http://i51.tinypic.com/w2in40.jpg

That girl looks like she os on some major sedatives....that or it's a breakfast carb coma.

Mountain_Kat
06-08-2011, 09:13 AM
Bones and Gerus! :rocker:

They have NO financial interest in this case!

True, but they are not chemists, are they? ;)

MADJGNLAW
06-08-2011, 09:13 AM
:waitasec:Is it just me? Does the defense team not look kind of depressed today? Like they are ready to throw the towel in? I'm gonna assume that Baez will try to pull another rabbit out of his hat on cross. :nono:

Celt1997
06-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Funny to me that bomb sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by the military, drug sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by DEA and other law enforcement entities, BUT death sniffing dogs are questioned by the great JB........just saying.

ETA: don't forget search and rescue dogs.......

With the exclusion of bomb-sniffing dogs, all other "sniffer" type dogs are being placed under great scrutiny nationwide right now, in regards to the law. I don't know where it will end up, but I have a feeling their usage is going to be greatly hindered in the future until there is a widely accepted set of Standards for their breeding, selection, and training.

TortillaChip
06-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Some guy from HLN said last night that yesterday was the first time he'd seen a change of mood in ICA since the trial started. He thought she seemed more concerned, more intimidated by the testimony than before - like it is getting to her.

Will watch for that today because I hadn't noticed that.

I watched all day!!! And I agree, she is worried about the dogs. The car trunk maybe? But she was more agitated yesterday. Today more subdued.

SillyJilly
06-08-2011, 09:14 AM
I think we're going to see a lot of nervous people. They're dealing with testifying in a case that has gone worldwide and there are cameras all over the place.

Oh, without a doubt. I have been involved in a couple of legal proceedings on a very SMALL scale and was shaking in my boots. I can't imagine having to deal with what each of these witnesses have to go through. Applause goes out to all of them.

Amity
06-08-2011, 09:14 AM
I have seen ICA using what looks to be a laptop computer a couple times now during the trial... Is this normally allowed? How do they know she isn't using it to contact people? You can even send text messages from the Internet now...

Ya know, I had the same thought.
Then I begin to think: Who the heck would respond to her IM's or emails.......she has no friends left, no?

adb263
06-08-2011, 09:14 AM
[QUOTE=2goldfish;6634012]she sure doesnt like the dogs at all, does she :|


I think ICA looks bored!!! This isn't directly about her so she is just not that interested!!

butwhatif?
06-08-2011, 09:14 AM
ICA shaking her head 'no' at the states next exhibit & secret discussions regarding same....

cityslick
06-08-2011, 09:15 AM
ICA looks like a ghost, someone who's barely sleeping and probably not eating either.

ami
06-08-2011, 09:15 AM
I think it's just a normal facial tic for KB to get that unhappy look on her face when asked a question - I think it's just a look of concentration.

jmfstl
06-08-2011, 09:15 AM
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SillyJilly
06-08-2011, 09:15 AM
ICA looks like a ghost, someone who's barely sleeping and probably not eating either.

Reality is FINALLY starting to sink in, I believe.

nursebeeme
06-08-2011, 09:16 AM
bones had no false alerts and no misses

momtective
06-08-2011, 09:16 AM
Linda is just stunning this morning.
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/1AAAA.jpg

ahoyhoy
06-08-2011, 09:17 AM
Bones and Gerus! :rocker:

They have NO financial interest in this case!

Little heroes.....warms my heart to think they're just in it for the praise.

Three cheers for our canine brothers in uniform!!!!

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:17 AM
Kristin B is explaining Bones' training. He is trained for woods, high grass, normal grass,
pavement...

Did Bones' have false alerts? would they have been recorded?

Yes.

What was his performance at that school?

Did he have false alerts?

No.

Was he able to find all of the targets that it was intended he find?

Yes.

MelissaLee
06-08-2011, 09:17 AM
KC - quick glance at LDB when she mentions "false alerts". WTG, LDB!!!! She's cutting JB off at the knees by questioning the witness regarding "false alerts" and no finds, and whether they are documented (a "yes" in answer to this).

Mountain_Kat
06-08-2011, 09:17 AM
The mock juror is now angry, because WSers are making her feel that she would be remiss in her duties if she left the court room and went to fold laundry.

(I'm hanging in. Just NOT 3 hours...please, LDB!)

jane the dood
06-08-2011, 09:17 AM
Funny to me that bomb sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by the military, drug sniffing dogs are greatly depended on by DEA and other law enforcement entities, BUT death sniffing dogs are questioned by the great JB........just saying.

ETA: don't forget search and rescue dogs.......

Awesome point! The whole cadaver dog line of questioning seems to have gotten KC pretty strung out, imo.

"Bones"....a little dark humor in naming a cadaver dog Bones!

Oh....and GOOD MORNING, peeps!

Shannon33
06-08-2011, 09:18 AM
Ya know, I had the same thought.
Then I begin to think: Who the heck would respond to her IM's or emails.......she has no friends left, no?

Even If she has no friends left, she could be reading here for all we know! I thought all inmate communication was recorded/monitored? No?

FaerieB
06-08-2011, 09:18 AM
stevehelling Steve Helling
The #CaseyAnthony jurors seem to be holding up remarkably well. A few of them look tired, but they're all paying attention.

adb263
06-08-2011, 09:18 AM
Bones is quite the busy puppy!! really...semen!! eeeewwwww

Amity
06-08-2011, 09:19 AM
I think it's just a normal facial tic for KB to get that unhappy look on her face when asked a question - I think it's just a look of concentration.

Sorry......OT!
I've only had about a half cup of coffee.
I read your comment too fast.
Read it as :
"I think it's just a look of constipation"

ZsaZsa
06-08-2011, 09:19 AM
With the exclusion of bomb-sniffing dogs, all other "sniffer" type dogs are being placed under great scrutiny nationwide right now, in regards to the law. I don't know where it will end up, but I have a feeling their usage is going to be greatly hindered in the future until there is a widely accepted set of Standards for their breeding, selection, and training.

You can't argue with success though...

momtective
06-08-2011, 09:19 AM
ICA looks like a ghost, someone who's barely sleeping and probably not eating either.

It's early, give her time and she'll perk up...just wait til the jury is out of the room. :giggle:

ami
06-08-2011, 09:19 AM
Bones is quite the busy puppy!! really...semen!! eeeewwwww

I know. It flashed into my head that someone had to donate it for research and training. Just sayin'.

sleutherontheside
06-08-2011, 09:20 AM
JB and KC reading something on the laptop. JB was actually laughing to himself... so busy that man..

16153

Sun
06-08-2011, 09:20 AM
Casey sure has scooted over and is now sitting shoulder to shoulder with Baez. Both are intensely watching whatever is on the laptop's screen.

Wise Old Owl
06-08-2011, 09:20 AM
Did Bones also go to the car? I know he was in the backyard - but I don't recall Bones going to the forensics garage and checking the car.

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:20 AM
LBD: Next training school he attended?

KB will look it up in the records ...

KB: A water seminar 2007

LBD: What was Bones required to do at that seminar?

KB: Targets were on the water and the dog needed to locate the source in the water ...

LBD: Did you keep a written record of that seminar?

KB: Yes, ma'am.

LBD: Did he have false alerts?

No

LDB: Misses?

No.

LBD: Could he locate all of the intended targets?

Yes, ma'am.

ZsaZsa
06-08-2011, 09:20 AM
Ya know, I had the same thought.
Then I begin to think: Who the heck would respond to her IM's or emails.......she has no friends left, no?

Cindy, Lee.

Softail
06-08-2011, 09:20 AM
Bones can detect human remains in water!

logicalgirl
06-08-2011, 09:21 AM
Over and over again as LDB goes through the training, no false starts, no misses, able to locate all of these targets - Answer yes through each of the questions.

This witness is no longer as nervous as she was when she began.

pcrum12
06-08-2011, 09:21 AM
KC - quick glance at LDB when she mentions "false alerts". WTG, LDB!!!! She's cutting JB off at the knees by questioning the witness regarding "false alerts" and no finds, and whether they are documented (a "yes" in answer to this).

And isn't this exact opposite of what Forgey stated of Gerus yesterday? Didn't he say he wouldn't record false alerts? TIA

ami
06-08-2011, 09:21 AM
Brewer smiles when asked to identify Bones in a photo. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 9:20 AM

awww.

MADJGNLAW
06-08-2011, 09:21 AM
I know other's have observed Casey reading/using what seems to be a white apple laptop. I know I am not crazy...I also notice Baez looking over at it from time to time and laughing. I am going to assume that the are reading one of the news medias blogs. I wonder if the news media can track that laptop down to see if true that they are using it in the court room because for some reason I thought that Casey was not allowed to use any type of computer/cell phone/other electronic devices. I may be wrong and over analyzing though.. Hmm...I really wonder though...:waitasec:

MissJames
06-08-2011, 09:21 AM
Bones and Gerus! :rocker:

They have NO financial interest in this case!

Sniffer technology provided by God.

butwhatif?
06-08-2011, 09:21 AM
Just caught the tail end of ICA's smirk with JB at whatever they are looking at on that screen...

ZsaZsa
06-08-2011, 09:22 AM
Did Bones also go to the car? I know he was in the backyard - but I don't recall Bones going to the forensics garage and checking the car.

If I was testifying I think I would KNOW this information before I was questioned...

KathrynL
06-08-2011, 09:22 AM
With the exclusion of bomb-sniffing dogs, all other "sniffer" type dogs are being placed under great scrutiny nationwide right now, in regards to the law. I don't know where it will end up, but I have a feeling their usage is going to be greatly hindered in the future until there is a widely accepted set of Standards for their breeding, selection, and training.

I heard last night there was a higher court case about this kind of evidence. And all this foundation and extensive info about training is being offered to avoid reversal on appeal. It was ruled (and the case was mentioned by JB yesterday) that a jury depending on this kind of evidence without knowing the qualifications and history of the dog is reversible error. I believe it was a FL supreme court opinion that happened earlier this year. moo

ami
06-08-2011, 09:22 AM
And isn't this exact opposite of what Forgey stated of Gerus yesterday? Didn't he say he wouldn't record false alerts? TIA

No, he wouldn't make an official report (not record, report) if Gerus was called out and didn't find anything.

Forgey had a good record of all false alerts, good alerts, finds, non-finds.

Rapunzel
06-08-2011, 09:22 AM
Wonder what JB and ICA are watching???

MelissaLee
06-08-2011, 09:22 AM
JB and KC reading something on the laptop. JB was actually laughing to himself... so busy that man..

16153

I wonder if they're reading a news station's - WFTV's (for example) - live feed with the live blog. I'll bet a bagel they are!

gngr~snap
06-08-2011, 09:22 AM
Ugg! I love Bones and Gerus, but every time I hear "placenta " I cringe. Guess they might as well be used for something!

logicalgirl
06-08-2011, 09:23 AM
No problems with Bones alerting to food sources of any kind?

No M'am.

Gnatcatcher
06-08-2011, 09:23 AM
What a powerful image of a strong woman that LDB portrays, particularly in her two toned outfit. I am so in awe of her.

Bon
06-08-2011, 09:23 AM
I know other's have observed Casey reading/using what seems to be a white apple laptop. I know I am not crazy...I also notice Baez looking over at it from time to time and laughing. I am going to assume that the are reading one of the news medias blogs. I wonder if the news media can track that laptop down to see if true that they are using it in the court room because for some reason I thought that Casey was not allowed to use any type of computer/cell phone/other electronic devices. I may be wrong and over analyzing though.. Hmm...I really wonder though...:waitasec:

Is it routine for an inmate to be allowed a laptop or cell phone while in court???

Omachka
06-08-2011, 09:23 AM
ICA hard at work (or hardly working) & JB's first objection of the day...

Thank you so much for the screen shots. This answers my questions about whether or not KC is using the laptop. I can see from these that it is just camera angle that makes it appear she is using it. It is actually in front of JB only moved at an angle to allow him to see the monitor as well. She does appear to read it now and then but the keyboard is facing JB. Looks like she does have a pile of paper in front of her but that too could be part of JB's mess. I think our camera view has been thwarted. :crazy:

Just K
06-08-2011, 09:24 AM
JB & ICA haven't looked up from HER COMPUTER for almost 10 minutes now. Either they are surfing the net or playing online POKER. Maybe she is taking an online Law Class. Ah, she looked up for a second...neither is listening to one word of this Deputy, now

luckyme
06-08-2011, 09:24 AM
Its gonna be like yesterday. If they dont go through bones with a fine tooth comb, Jb might score some points when its his turn. My husband is in the military and they use dogs to search for ieds when they patrol. He told me once they had a dog and he was awful. They had a lot of close calls. He asked for another dog and he was way better. moo

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:24 AM
LDB: What sort of distractions have you used in training Bones? (to train him not to hit on items you DON'T want him to hit on)

KB lists items.

LBD: Was Bones trained with other dogs? Multiple dogs?

KB: Yes.

LBD: Have you had a problem with Bones alerting to food of any kind?

No.

LBD: Next training session?

KB: Advanced Land in 2009

LBD: Where held?

KB: Various locations, held by a master trainer...

Celt1997
06-08-2011, 09:24 AM
I heard last night there was a higher court case about this kind of evidence. And all this foundation and extensive info about training is being offered to avoid reversal on appeal. It was ruled (and the case was mentioned by JB yesterday) that a jury depending on this kind of evidence without knowing the qualifications and history of the dog is reversible error. I believe it was a FL supreme court opinion that happened earlier this year. moo

Yeah, I posed earlier in the thread a short article regarding the FL Supreme Court Action.

Wise Old Owl
06-08-2011, 09:25 AM
If I was testifying I think I would KNOW this information before I was questioned...
No that's not what she said. I was asking.

Blue Ridge
06-08-2011, 09:25 AM
KB seems to be getting more comfortable now and has begun looking to jury as she answers :)

ETA: well, she did for a few q's but now isn't again...

Tulessa
06-08-2011, 09:26 AM
Are they reading here???

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:26 AM
What was required of Bones in that training period?

KB: Source was put in tree for dogs to find.

LBD: What is final source alert?

KB: Sitting.

LBD: And what does the dog do when the source is in a tree.

KB: He will sit directly below the source, on the ground.

nursebeeme
06-08-2011, 09:26 AM
please remember to keep posts on topic: what is going on in the courtroom. :-)

Softail
06-08-2011, 09:26 AM
Wow! Bones is pretty smart!

If he detects human remains in a tree, or somewhere above him, he will try to locate it on the ground. If he keeps sniffing up - He looks up, to indicate the smell is above him!

Nana46
06-08-2011, 09:26 AM
sumpin sure is funny on the dt computer,lol

luv
06-08-2011, 09:26 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/34ya7m1.jpg

logicalgirl
06-08-2011, 09:26 AM
ICA and JB give odd quick little smirks from whatever they are watching or reading so it can't be the record of the testimony they are hearing right now.

Might as well get this over with -

Good Morning ICA/Baez - Buckle up cause LDB is in the house ....:seeya:

sleutherontheside
06-08-2011, 09:26 AM
There is the difference between Gerus and Bones.

Gerus final trained alert is a lay down.
Bones final trained alert is a sit.

JB made issue of that during Frye when mentioning the inconsistencies between the alerts. IIRC

Gnatcatcher
06-08-2011, 09:27 AM
Are they reading here???

I don't know if they are, because wouldn't one of their hands have to be on a mouse or keyboard to scroll through? I mean, as opposed to say WESH's site where the comments are scrolling on their own and you don't need to manipulate the screen to read further. I can't tell if JB is touching it or not.

ami
06-08-2011, 09:27 AM
Why is she talking about certs that were given for classes taken in 3/09?

stilettos
06-08-2011, 09:28 AM
I know other's have observed Casey reading/using what seems to be a white apple laptop. I know I am not crazy...I also notice Baez looking over at it from time to time and laughing. I am going to assume that the are reading one of the news medias blogs. I wonder if the news media can track that laptop down to see if true that they are using it in the court room because for some reason I thought that Casey was not allowed to use any type of computer/cell phone/other electronic devices. I may be wrong and over analyzing though.. Hmm...I really wonder though...:waitasec:

There has to be a way to find out....let me see if I can pose a question to a media source.

FaerieB
06-08-2011, 09:28 AM
bobkealing bob kealing
#CaseyAnthony Jurors staying attentive to rather dry foundational testimony.

whiteangora
06-08-2011, 09:28 AM
I heard last night there was a higher court case about this kind of evidence. And all this foundation and extensive info about training is being offered to avoid reversal on appeal. It was ruled (and the case was mentioned by JB yesterday) that a jury depending on this kind of evidence without knowing the qualifications and history of the dog is reversible error. I believe it was a FL supreme court opinion that happened earlier this year. moo

That's right, and that's also why we should be patient even though the testimony may seem redundant and lengthy.
It is all so necessary in order to keep the evidence on the record. moo

Dr.Fessel
06-08-2011, 09:28 AM
I think they laughed when the lady on the stand said a date of training.

TortillaChip
06-08-2011, 09:29 AM
Big difference today in that ICA and JB are ready the real time testimony together on her laptop, before she was looking at the black one in front of JB. Now they are closer and reading along together.....if jurors notice them snickering or anything like that, it will not look good, imo.

bonniez451
06-08-2011, 09:29 AM
imo jb is back to smirking and head shaking and I really hope hhjbp takes him to task it's bad enough he can say things with no repercussions I would like to see his smirk stoppped it would not be tolerated in the gallery.

logicalgirl
06-08-2011, 09:29 AM
Brewer has testified to the type of alert Bones does - a sit down instead of a lay down - Well done LDB to have this clarified.

Dr.Fessel
06-08-2011, 09:29 AM
Why is she talking about certs that were given for classes taken in 3/09?

That was when Jose and Casey laughed.

ami
06-08-2011, 09:29 AM
#CaseyAnthony George leaving the courtroom. Sounds like he's struggling with a cold or congestion.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:29 AM

azscr4mbl3r
06-08-2011, 09:29 AM
Both sides seem to perpetuate the myth that the second after you die a cadaver dog can smell that. This bugs me because i think it implies that if she drowned and they laid her on the ground the dog could hit on it a month later. Obviously it was some days later but why doesn't the SA steer it that way? Like ask over and over "How soon after death can a dog find a body or the odor residue?" Seems like an elephant in the room to me.... Anyone? Baez?.....Baez?...... Baez??... Baez?..... No? Must be Jose Baez's Day Off huh?

Just K
06-08-2011, 09:30 AM
Is it routine for an inmate to be allowed a laptop or cell phone while in court???

Being a convicted criminal in the theft case, it would not be allowed, correct?

Softail
06-08-2011, 09:30 AM
Bones gets a tennis ball as a reward! It is his favorite! :great:

Just a fun fact: SAR dogs are not rewarded with food. This is often so they are not tempted to take food from someone who may be trying to poison them.

I trained my dogs to not take food from anyone except me, or my DH! :great:

watcher9
06-08-2011, 09:30 AM
What are both ICA and JB watching on the screen?
Why aren't they paying attention to what the witness is testifying to?

ZsaZsa
06-08-2011, 09:30 AM
No that's not what she said. I was asking.

KB was asked if Bones checked the car- and she said she didn't "recall" him doing that- what I am saying is, if I were testifying I would know for sure whether he had or not, on such an important point.

ami
06-08-2011, 09:30 AM
That was when Jose and Casey laughed.

Right, because Caylee was found in 08.

TallCoolOne
06-08-2011, 09:31 AM
Awwwee.... his reward is his tennis ball. I love Bones!

SurfieTX
06-08-2011, 09:31 AM
As we all learned yesterday, the process of qualifying a dog in court is long. Expect this to last possibly until lunch.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 7:30 AM

Azcrabcakes
06-08-2011, 09:31 AM
What in the world are JB and ICA reading so intently? At times they smirk and other times they seem engrossed.

logicalgirl
06-08-2011, 09:32 AM
For those of you asking - I noticed in the legal thread last night - our new legal certified person beachbumming answered the question regarding ipads and laptops in the courtroom.
That answer was: ICA is actively involved in her defence and she would be allowed to access those devices in the courtroom.
That answer surprised me - but there you have it.
I don't like it either.

Mountain_Kat
06-08-2011, 09:33 AM
I'm getting the point. Bones does not alert on dead animals. Got it.

cityslick
06-08-2011, 09:33 AM
What are both ICA and JB watching on the screen?
Why aren't they paying attention to what the witness is testifying to?

I think they are actually reading the live transcript as it's being recorded IMO.

watcher9
06-08-2011, 09:34 AM
It looks like ICA has wheels on her chair.

adb263
06-08-2011, 09:34 AM
This is really fascinating!!! I wish all law inforcements would be able to have these dogs!!

SurfieTX
06-08-2011, 09:34 AM
#CaseyAnthony I'm watching @BiancaMPrieto on her iPad learning tricks.

The judge wouldn't let us use computers w/ keyboards. Too noisy.

by kerrynbc via twitter at 7:33 AM

Scamperoo
06-08-2011, 09:34 AM
With the exclusion of bomb-sniffing dogs, all other "sniffer" type dogs are being placed under great scrutiny nationwide right now, in regards to the law. I don't know where it will end up, but I have a feeling their usage is going to be greatly hindered in the future until there is a widely accepted set of Standards for their breeding, selection, and training.

Really? I haven't seen that but I can't see how or why that would be, it is natural for dogs to look for carrion and hunt so looking for a dead body is much more natural to a dog than sniffing out bomb chemicals.

stilettos
06-08-2011, 09:34 AM
According to my friend a reporter for a local paper in Orlando...she has been in the courtroom...her response was "ICA is allowed access to DT computers regarding her defense only. She is not supposed to be using them for other means." IDK if there has been a change in that procedure but it appears to me that ICA is using those computers at her will and I do not think it is only regarding her case! MOO

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:35 AM
KB: Bones was able to locate a source where a body had been buried at one point.

What is his reward?

A tennis ball.

Not food?

No.

LBD: You also keep track of Bones' real-world performance?

Yes.

LBD: Tell jury what dates Bones was called out on a search and what the results of that were.

LBD: 2006, do you have a record of Bones being called out for a search.

Yes.

Did Bones alert on that day?

No.

What was found?

Dead animal.

(Lists other cases where Bones was sent out, did not alert, but other items--not deceased humans--were found.)

LBD: In September 5, 2006, was Bones called out to determine human remains present.

Yes. No alert.

Area searched?

Yes. A dead possum was found.

(Cases where no alert was given, but animal remains were found. He does NOT alert on animal remains.)

heartfortruth
06-08-2011, 09:36 AM
Right, because Caylee was found in 08.

and they found this "funny"??? NOTHING would be funny to me if they were talking about my dead baby!

ami
06-08-2011, 09:36 AM
I guess she's bracketing the 08 searches for Caylee by referring (repeatedly) to information from 2009? To show Bones didn't have a pattern of false alerts before *or after* the Anthony back yard search?

luv
06-08-2011, 09:36 AM
http://i52.tinypic.com/2vbk936.jpg

ebedeeb
06-08-2011, 09:36 AM
same foundation....different dog....ugh

Harmony2
06-08-2011, 09:37 AM
Do we have any tweets about who is out in the hallway waiting to testify next?

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:37 AM
LBD: Has he alerted on human remains? 2007--do records show Bones was called to a location and he found what?

KB: Small bone fragments from a skeleton that had been removed and the were searching for remaining bone fragments.

Another call, a body was buried in the woods for 2-3 weeks, and bones found the body.

Dr.Fessel
06-08-2011, 09:38 AM
According to my friend a reporter for a local paper in Orlando...she has been in the courtroom...her response was "ICA is allowed access to DT computers regarding her defense only. She is not supposed to be using them for other means." IDK if there has been a change in that procedure but it appears to me that ICA is using those computers at her will and I do not think it is only regarding her case! MOO
I wonder if it is subject to monitoring? No different then using a phone or mail to assist in her case.

cityslick
06-08-2011, 09:38 AM
According to my friend a reporter for a local paper in Orlando...she has been in the courtroom...her response was "ICA is allowed access to DT computers regarding her defense only. She is not supposed to be using them for other means." IDK if there has been a change in that procedure but it appears to me that ICA is using those computers at her will and I do not think it is only regarding her case! MOO

I gurantee you if it was something other than for her defense the bailiffs would alert the judge and/or have her reprimanded.

It has always been like this btw. A defendant is allowed to defend themselves using whatever tools are made available to them. She technically could do it herself without lawyers.

TortillaChip
06-08-2011, 09:38 AM
What are both ICA and JB watching on the screen?
Why aren't they paying attention to what the witness is testifying to?

I think they are reading the real time testimony on her laptop now, for some reason. This is the first time that I have noticed that.

Oakley
06-08-2011, 09:39 AM
Casey just leaned into DS and whispered behind her hand. DS pulled away.

fla*mom
06-08-2011, 09:39 AM
Way to go Bones!

21merc7
06-08-2011, 09:39 AM
Wow, a landfill search. Poor dog, must have wanted to go nuts! But, no, Bones was trained to only alert to human scents.

FaerieB
06-08-2011, 09:39 AM
bobkealing bob kealing
#CaseyAnthonyTrial Juror 8 taking notes Juror 7 next to her is another woman always very attentive. Leaning in listening

SurfieTX
06-08-2011, 09:39 AM
Do we have any tweets about who is out in the hallway waiting to testify next?

I haven't seen one.


#CaseyAnthonyTrial

Juror 8 taking notes Juror 7 next to her is another woman always very attentive. Leaning in listening.

sleutherontheside
06-08-2011, 09:40 AM
My Gawd...ICA just rolled her eyes at the mention of the comforter found in a landfill.

Mountain_Kat
06-08-2011, 09:40 AM
I really like this witness. She's kind of dry in the personality dept., but she gives off an unmistakable air of competence and confidence.

ami
06-08-2011, 09:40 AM
Can someone clarify this for me - Bones alerts to living or dead human material? She mentioned blood, and afterbirth. Thx.

Rapunzel
06-08-2011, 09:41 AM
No reaction from ICA about a blanket in a landfill that a baby had been born on...alerted to by Bones.

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:41 AM
Another date, Bones found an elderly female who hadn't been heard from for a long time through inside of wall.

A further date, Bones located a body in a landfill in Hilands County. He found the body through all manner of garbage after several days of searching. He found a comforter that a baby had been born on.

In 2008, Bones searched for additional bones after a skull had been found. He got them.

In 2009, Bones did a water search when a young male hadn't made it back to shore. Body recovered.

Solomisskitty
06-08-2011, 09:41 AM
Bones found a comforter in a landfill on which a baby had been born on.
Bones rocks!

logicalgirl
06-08-2011, 09:41 AM
Found additional bones after a human skull found by a person mowing grass - March 08.

whiteangora
06-08-2011, 09:41 AM
Bones was a real wonder dog, Baez is going to have a hard time trying to underestimate his talents.

luckyme
06-08-2011, 09:42 AM
shes passing notes to baez.

SurfieTX
06-08-2011, 09:42 AM
#caseyanthony has nothing in front of her. No notepad or laptop. She looks a little bored. Yesdy she was furiously leafing thru K9 records.
by abcashleigh via twitter at 7:42 AM

Nali87
06-08-2011, 09:42 AM
Bones deserve to eat steak for the rest of his life.

camcneishg
06-08-2011, 09:42 AM
Oh Bones is WONDERFUL!!

susan1122
06-08-2011, 09:42 AM
This is really fascinating!!! I wish all law inforcements would be able to have these dogs!!

I love dogs anyway.....but these dogs are AMAZING! And so are their trainers.

MO

Azcrabcakes
06-08-2011, 09:42 AM
According to my friend a reporter for a local paper in Orlando...she has been in the courtroom...her response was "ICA is allowed access to DT computers regarding her defense only. She is not supposed to be using them for other means." IDK if there has been a change in that procedure but it appears to me that ICA is using those computers at her will and I do not think it is only regarding her case! MOO

Surely research on cadaver dogs would not give cause for ICA and JB to laugh and smirk! Perhaps SOME research is being done, but it looks like other topics are being pulled up, to me. Maybe JB is asking Yahoo Answers "How Do You Defend an Inmate Charged With Murdering Her Daughter?" and ICA is reading "The Fine Art of Deception."

Pink Panther
06-08-2011, 09:43 AM
Ohh. KC looks pzzd today.

nursebeeme
06-08-2011, 09:43 AM
#caseyanthony has nothing in front of her. No notepad or laptop. She looks a little bored. Yesdy she was furiously leafing thru K9 records.
by abcashleigh via twitter at 9:42 AM

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

shelbar53
06-08-2011, 09:43 AM
Looks like Casey was reviewing the dog handlers guidebook, not the official one but the one Baez referred to yesterday.

Celt1997
06-08-2011, 09:43 AM
Really? I haven't seen that but I can't see how or why that would be, it is natural for dogs to look for carrion and hunt so looking for a dead body is much more natural to a dog than sniffing out bomb chemicals.

I don't think it has to do with their effectiveness, but how that effectiveness can be fairly put into the court system. It is really a big deal in the drug community, because, apparently the drug dogs have a lot more false alerts, and that has caused an outcry in the Defense Lawyer community. The lack of a clear set of standards has caused a lot of dog evidence to be thrown out.

I believe, in the end, their effectiveness will be proven, but how they can get that into a good standard of evidence is still in question. Consistency will be the key. Can a dog who had even 1 false alert during their training be considered reliable in the Court?

At least in this case, we're getting the full foundation laid out, clearly showing that Bones & Gerus were consistent, and without fail.

SurfieTX
06-08-2011, 09:43 AM
Bones' tail will fluff up when he is in "odor." He may also paw at the area to try to get a better scent. These are changes in his behavior prior to his final alert.

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
Alerted to a burned body within a few feet of where the body was located.

Another search, two bodies were said to be buried in the same hole, Bones recovered the bodies.

How often does he get called out?

Quite often.

Are there occasions when there are no alerts at all?

Correct.

How does Bones show interest in an area?

He picks his head up to pinpoint where the area is, his tail fluffs up, he will leave and not come back when called because he's so interested in finding the odors where he is.

adb263
06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
Seriously these dogs are so well trained that it should just be a given that they are experts!!

momtective
06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
Casey just leaned into DS and whispered behind her hand. DS pulled away.

Anyone who has a young child who hangs all over them, can probably so relate to DS' reaction. I'm sure ICA drives her batty! ICA is very needy.

Tulessa
06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
Amazing testimony. This has to be my favorite part of the evidence. ;)

tut med
06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
Gotta love a dog named Bones

Mendara
06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
KC looks so bored by this.

wenwe4
06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
JB objects to canine voir dire in front of jury.....wanted it done in front of HHBP only - HHBP reminds him jurors need info to determine whether it is relevant or not....they will make up their own minds....


Next Witness
Kristin Brewer - Supv. w Oseola Co. Sherrif over 16 yrs, started in patrol, several years in traffic unit, 1 1/2 yr tactical - plain clothes, patrol collateral duty handle k9, Bones k9, prior to Bones - hobby to train protection/obediance/article tracking.....2005 SO acquired Bones - person initially assigned to train Bones - dog already had some training - dog train paperwork goes with him ......Dep. Forgey provided all records (vet and train records)....KB has created and kept all records of Bones since receiving from Dep Forgey....show to JB - he is smiling and talking to LDB.....approx 2" sheaf of paper handed to KB - she is flipping through some of them......confirm those are Bones records.....

received in evidence over objections...

First bond with the dog, get to know the dog, play ball with dog first several weeks, learned temperment and training and any problems meetin w/Forgey several times.....Bones and KB trained several hours each week......recorded in training log....attended schools indep of Oseola Co. ......first school attended Andy Redmond - basic cadavar course....Andy is authority on cadavar dog training....document confirming certificate that KB and Bones received on completion of course 11/7 -11/13/05...make sure dog find odor, and give final train alert on the odor....multi day course.....exposed to woods, high grass, clay, dirt, pavement, normal grass....some of the target odors known location and some not.......cadavar search school record shows if Bones had false alerts, misses, or found target .....Bones performed fairly well....no problems with search ability....don't recall any misses or false alerts not recorded any....found all the targets he was intended to find....Bones trained on human blood/bone/tissue/teeth/semen and placenta....

KB refers to records of Bones....water seminar 11/2 thru 11/4 ...water seminar all targets submerged, near, in water.....take dog out on boat and he needs to alert to target in and around the water.....kept written record of Bones performance Human remains in water seminar.....recorded any false alerts/misses and targets.....don't recall Bones having false alerts or misses and located all targets. Cert. of completion 11/2007...in between seminars continue to train w/Bones.....use distractors to ensure he won't alert to material you don't want him to.....distractors include toys, dog treats, food, animal remains..... not trained with urine or feces - but he is exposed to that on searches....he is exposed to multiple dogs in the environments.....not alert to food sources.....dairy products -cheese? can't recall specifically.......never had any prob. with Bones alerting to food source of any kind......advanced land 2009....Country Class k9's Lisa Higgins- authority trainer on cadavar dogs....authority and long history of successful training of k9-....required bones to find buried, hanging, surface, differing depths/training aids, hanging a source in a tree.....Bones final trained alert is a sit....source hang in tree - Bones tries to pinpoint on ground.....lift head up....try not to show him source or let him see it - he detects it above him and will sit.....

NNDDA certification....nat. narcotic detector dog assoc......has a special training for cadavar, they also do narcotics and not sure if they offer bomb work or not.....performance records from seminar - documented in certification book for 1 year from certification....

Bones trained on residual odor....where human remains placed in location and item was removed....Bones trained to detect on the odor staying.....human blood wiped on ceramic tile and then wiped clean and a location where a body had been located......reward for Bones for successful find is tennis ball....never rewarded with food....given food or treats just for being a dog...favorite reward is tennis ball.....in records maintenance train - human remains training and also keep track of real world calls.....dates Bones called out on searches....successful or unsuccessful searches.

8/23/05 - search - no alert that date - area dug and deceased dog was found.
5/1/06 - search - human remains present - no alert - area searched dead animal located
5/10/06 - no alert to human remains - area dug - deceased dog found
9/5/06 - human remains present? - no alert - searched found dead possum
6/6/09 - human remains present? - no alert - area searched - animal remains found

during tenure w/Bones - Bones never has false alert on any location......Bones has alerted and human remains were located....

3/31/07 - Bones alerted to located several small bone fragments - able to find a couple of pieces of skeleton based on Bones alerts.

10/8/07 - info body buried 2-3 weeks in woods - Bones alerted exactly on area where body was laid.


missed date - elderly female deceased on other side of the wall he alerted to find her

? 2007 - landfill highlands county - garbage all manner, deployed Bones several days in landfill, alerted to comforter, baby had been born on later discarded in trash.....

3/26/08 - off 528 Orange Co - skeleton human skull found by someone mowing the grass....he alerted on additional bones in the area..

5/14/09 - water search...young male not made it to shore...presumed drown....boat search on large lake....alerted and dive team found body

11/13/09 (?) - body burned in area - alerted to area within few feet where body located..

12/20/10 - 2 bodies buried in same hole over 2 years...orange grove.....able to alert ... dug and both bodies were recovered.

Bones is single purpose dog.....quite often called out for out of county and out of state searches....many searches result in no alert at all.....

Bones and she work together so long....indicators....pick his head up....tail fluff up....paw at surface to get better scent.....leave handler and try and pinpoint where scent is....she stays with him to see if alert/...

asking to approach

stilettos
06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
I wonder if it is subject to monitoring? No different then using a phone or mail to assist in her case.

I think it should be but do not know the answer to this.

Azcrabcakes
06-08-2011, 09:45 AM
WESH live feed tweet:

#caseyanthony has nothing in front of her. No notepad or laptop. She looks a little bored. Yesdy she was furiously leafing thru K9 records.
by abcashleigh via twitter at 7:42 AM

WHAT? I can SEE her!

Rapunzel
06-08-2011, 09:45 AM
The witness is now addressing the jury somewhat.

Zinvestigator
06-08-2011, 09:45 AM
I think we're going to see a lot of nervous people. They're dealing with testifying in a case that has gone worldwide and there are cameras all over the place.

There is that but also the testimony of each witness can help determine whether someone lives, dies or even goes free. Can you imagine having to give testimony that someone’s life depends on? I’d be nervous too, especially when I know where a certain case is headed, IYKWIM. To some degree, that would be on my/your head, wouldn’t it? I don’t envy any of these witnesses in the least!

wvjules
06-08-2011, 09:45 AM
Had a morning meeting and just got here. Darn work!

Anyway, ICA looks deflated this morning.

butwhatif?
06-08-2011, 09:45 AM
Who does ICA keep looking at? Linda or someone in the gallery? I haven't noticed her continually looking in this direction before. :confused:

Eidetic
06-08-2011, 09:45 AM
JB: "and we would renew our previous objection that this is a under hereas (?) a matter of law that should be done outside of the presence of the jury and of course renew all previous motions and objections as it pertains to her testimony."

HJBP: "Okay. The same uh basis that I gave the last time is the prior fact the individual must decide to weigh the credibility of the testimony thus they are entitled uh, to know the training no only of the dog handler, but the training and experience of the dog uh, and the dogs reliability in assessing whether or not they want to accept or reject the testimony with the dog and the only way for them to to do that is to know the reliability unless the defense is not going to question the reliability of the evidence. If they're not going to question the reliability of the evidence and accept the evidence as fact, then there will be no need to do this. Okay, let's return the jury."

(judge addresses jurors)

HJBP: "Okay, state ready to proceed? State may call their next witness."

LDB: " Kristin Brewer."

(she is sworn in)

LDB: "Kristin Brewer.

HJBP: "You may proceed Mrs. Drane."

LDB: "Thank you, your Honor. Good morning ma'am could you please tell us your occupation?"

KB: "I'm a uh, supervisor with the Osceola County Sheriff's Office."

LDB: "What type of supervisor?"

KB: "Control supervisor."

LDB: "How long have you worked with the Osceola County Sheriff's?"

KB: "Over 16 years."

LDB: "What sort of assignments have you had with Osceola?"

KB: "I started out in patrol, um, I spent several years in the traffic unit. I uh, spent about a year and a half in a tactical unit. Plain clothes, and then back to patrol when I was promoted. And uh, most recently still in patrol as collateral duty handling the canine."

LDB: "Tell us a little bit about that collateral duty handling a canine. How long have you been doing that for the Osceola County Sheriff's Office?"

KB: "Since 2005. Um, it's not my primary duty. My primary duty is a patrol supervisor. And the collateral duty is handling the canine, on call, as needed basis."

LDB: "Would this be canine Bones?"

KB: "Yes ma'am."

LDB: "You have been bones handler since 2005?"

KB:" Yes ma'am."

LDB: "Do you know the background of Bones prior to your obtaining him?"

KB: "Yes ma'am, I do."

LDB: "And, where did Bones come from?"

KB: "The Orange County Sheriff's Office."

LDB: "Prior to the arrival of Bones at the Osceola County Sheriff's Office, did you yourself do any training?"

KB: "Yes ma'am, it was a kind of hobby for me to train dogs in protection, obedience and tracking."

LDB: "Your Honor, may we have a moment?"

HJBP: "You may."

(sidebar)

HJBP: "You may proceed."

LDB: "Sergeant Brewer, we were talking about any sort of background or training you had with the handling of canines prior to the arrival of Bones at the Osceola County Sheriff's Office in 2005."

KB: "Correct."

LDB: "I missed you answer because of the delay but, can you repeat that for me?"

KB: "I did canine training as kind of a hobby which was protection, obedience and article tracking.

LDB: "Independent of your position with the Osceola County Sheriff?"

KB: "That's correct."

LDB: "So in 2005 when the Sheriff's office acquired Bones, were you the person initially assigned to train with him?"

KB: "Yes."

LDB: "Was it your understanding at that point that Bones himself, had already undergone a period of training?"

KB: "That's correct."

LDB: "Are you familiar with Jason Forgey of the Orange County Sheriff's Office?"

KB: *smile* "Yes ma'am."

LDB: "When Bones was acquired by the Osceola County Sheriff did his paperwork uh, training paperwork go with him?"

KB: "Yes. I have everything that Deputy Forgey had provided to me for his training. Yes ma'am."

LDB: "Are you the individual who is then responsible for maintaining the record of, whether it's veterinary records, or training records for canine Bones?"

KB: "Yes."

LDB: "Are you the individual who has created those records since 2005 during the training and operative operation outcomes with Bones?"

KB: "Yes ma'am."

LDB: "If I may approach the witness."

HJBP: "You may."

LDB: "I will be showing you what is marked as OJ marked for identification."

(LDB brings evidence to JB to look it over Jose smiles and hands it back to LDB)

LDB: "I'll have you take a look at this composite exhibit and tell me if those are true and accurate copies of, the majority of Bones records excluding veterinary records."

(witness thumbs through papers)

KB: "Yes ma'am."

RammerJammer
06-08-2011, 09:45 AM
LDB is dotting every i, crossing every t. Painstaking but necessary.

tehcloser
06-08-2011, 09:46 AM
WHAT? I can SEE her!

There must be another Casey that they are watching....................

truthsleuth
06-08-2011, 09:46 AM
Just a heads-up: I need to stop transcribing by 10 am to get ready to go to an appointment. If any WSer can pick up on transcribing then, that would be great. I'll be back at about 2 and can pick up the work again.

Thanks!

Phoebeb
06-08-2011, 09:46 AM
I think they are reading the real time testimony on her laptop now, for some reason. This is the first time that I have noticed that.

So does that mean what the court reporter is typing is instantly shown somewhere? I didn't know testimony was published in real time. :waitasec:

JenniferTx
06-08-2011, 09:46 AM
I have a huge amount of respect for these dogs and their trainers. What amazing animals they are.

amandab
06-08-2011, 09:46 AM
I gurantee you if it was something other than for her defense the bailiffs would alert the judge and/or have her reprimanded.

It has always been like this btw. A defendant is allowed to defend themselves using whatever tools are made available to them. She technically could do it herself without lawyers.

BBM

She practically is.

mitzi
06-08-2011, 09:46 AM
Good Morning! Just logged on and I see we are at sidebar! What's with CM holding JB by the shoulders?.....massage time? :)

Cherry Baby
06-08-2011, 09:46 AM
It's been a long time now but I remember a way while back when Nancy Grace had on a dog and his handler (nice blonde lady) to demonstrate how the dog would react to decomp. They had put a piece of clothing that had the decomp on it hidden in a couch or chair prior to bringing the dog on the set. I don't think I've seen a dog more excited to find a piece of clothing, and he went right to it. He acted as if he'd hit the Vegas jackpot in rawhide bones and treats!

I was so impressed by that. These dogs are so specially trained, and they have the proof of it, so JB objecting to this seems very silly to me. It's not like they asked my cat, who does fetch but wouldn't know decomp from the man on the moon, to sniff in the A's backyard. These dogs are trained professionals.

Mountain_Kat
06-08-2011, 09:46 AM
So far, I'm following this testimony without feeling any boredom or hostility towards the state (yesterday, I did get angry at them for the 3 hour thing). My feeling is that, if LDB gets through this background stuff fairly quickly, she will not lose the jury as she did yesterday.

I have not left to vaccume. Yet. ;)

ETA: Wow, right to Caylee now. Excellent, LDB! Thanks!

ami
06-08-2011, 09:47 AM
Here we go with the testimony!

Solomisskitty
06-08-2011, 09:47 AM
Yeah, here we go...Hope Springs Dr.

kathyn2
06-08-2011, 09:47 AM
I am sorry but this testimony kind of dry so far. Hope it picks up!

adb263
06-08-2011, 09:47 AM
Now we are on Hope Spring Drive!!