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beach
06-05-2011, 10:09 AM
PLEASE review this forum thoroughly before posting today:



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beach
06-05-2011, 09:59 PM
I'm going to try to clarify a few things so hopefully we are a little clearer about what is okay to post in this thread and what is to be saved for Sidebar. Hope this helps. :)

Re: posting Tweets - Previously we have requested that all tweets be restricted from this thread and posted in the Twitter thread. Posting single tweets from anyone inside the courroom that can shed light on what we are unable to see via our monitors are fine to post here. (note: repetitive, multiple posts of the same tweet will be removed at mod discretion so they do not clog up the thread.) Most all of these will be from MSM reporters - I really can't think of any exceptions off of the top of my head. If they can tell us how jurors are reacting, that is huge, relevant info and we need to see it here. I ask that those of you who do post tweets still include them in the Twitter thread because we have many members who log in for a quick update and depend solely on that thread.


Re: posting about the demeanor of the defendant or witnesses -
This is the deal:
It is perfectly fine to post FACTS & OBSERVATIONS about their demeanor. (e.g., Casey is emotionless; Casey is giggling while listening to this testimony, etc...)

It is the "Casey's blouse is so low cut she must be trying to get the attention of Juror #11, the George Clooney look-a-like"; "eyebrows and hair" ('nuff said :aktion1:). Bottom line, if it doesn't add anything to understanding what is going on during TRIAL, then save these comments and post them in the Sidebar. Express those sentiments there. (Remember! TOS and Rules of Etiquette still apply in Sidebar: no namecalling, bashing and derogatory remarks simply intended to be snarky.)


Okay, I hope that helps clarify a few things.

beach
06-11-2011, 08:54 AM
Opening for live feed links.

MADJGNLAW
06-11-2011, 08:55 AM
Opening for live feed links.

·Watch Murder Trial Live at following links and on Tru T.V.

1 - 3PM HLN will have coverage of the trial.
*Note* Some of the links may change during the trial, however these links should take you to the new links as well. As you can see some seem like duplicates.



More Live feed Links below:
MORE: Live Trial Coverage & Blog http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-ex...teractive.html



·Live stream: Casey Anthony trial live stream http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video...y-anthony-live


Live Casey Trial @ 8:30am | Live Blog http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html


Live coverage on News 13. http://www.cfnews13.com/casey-chat

Watch live coverage on WESH.com and WESH-TV.
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-ex...70/detail.html


Media player: http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx


Watch Live, OrlandoSentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video...y-anthony-live


WFTV.com Live Trial Coverage & Raw Videos

"Snip" http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

WFTV.com will be providing comprehensive live online coverage of the trial. Here is what you can expect each day court is in session:

Trial cam #1 follows the action (9am start) http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Trial cam #2 shows Casey in court (9am start) http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

Daily audio live from inside court (9am start) http://player.streamtheworld.com/_pl...allsign=WFTVTV

Join live-blog every day of trial (8:45am start)

Note: New live video player no longer times out, so you can enjoy the live video coverage without having to refresh.

You can watch full raw videos of the trial in case you miss it here. http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html


WESH: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-ex...teractive.html


WFTV:http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

Click Orlando:http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html

FOX:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live


WFTVTV sound http://player.streamtheworld.com/_pl...allsign=WFTVTV

CNN http://live.cnn.com/

Link to Tony Pipitone blog: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/272...203232011&ts=H



Join live coverage by Gabe Travers/WESH.com http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-ex...teractive.html

jmfstl
06-11-2011, 08:56 AM
Casey is sitting there next to JB looking quite defeated this morning.

suzihawk
06-11-2011, 08:56 AM
ICA looking exceptionally pensive this morning.

BigFatMommyDog
06-11-2011, 08:57 AM
Ah lavender today - looks like ICA has reconnected to her inner bit... er strength

angelmom
06-11-2011, 08:57 AM
I guess Casey has recovered from her emotional distress. She and Jose are chatting and laughing like they're waiting for a bus.

UGH!

karen in New York
06-11-2011, 08:57 AM
Casey is sitting there next to JB looking quite defeated this morning.

Perhaps over medicated = sedated?

2goldfish
06-11-2011, 08:57 AM
ICA in an indeterminate coloured sweater much like that red one she wore a few months ago, I think it suits her and is proper for court.

21merc7
06-11-2011, 08:57 AM
What link are you seeing them at?

smart blonde
06-11-2011, 08:58 AM
www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html is up w/ the 'Casey Cam' & courtroom cam.

Casey & Baez in the courtroom now.

SideKick
06-11-2011, 08:58 AM
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

KC Cam

jmfstl
06-11-2011, 08:58 AM
Anyone else think that JB may be looking here on that laptop to get some input. As we are the public at large actually.

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 08:58 AM
Good morning friends!

We are one day closer to justice for Caylee.

Does anyone know of a lip reading blog that is following this trial?

ami
06-11-2011, 08:58 AM
wesh isn't showing anything yet.

BigFatMommyDog
06-11-2011, 08:59 AM
What link are you seeing them at?

the akami reflector site MADJGLAW has above - pops out into media player so I don't have that link at my finger tips

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 08:59 AM
I guess Casey has recovered from her emotional distress. She and Jose are chatting and laughing like they're waiting for a bus.UGH!

Perhaps to THROW someone under???

hand
06-11-2011, 08:59 AM
ICA in an indeterminate coloured sweater much like that red one she wore a few months ago, I think it suits her and is proper for court.

Baez and ICA are wearing matching colors

mitzi
06-11-2011, 08:59 AM
I don't know about "defeated"...she sure was smiling at JB and CM and did that eye thing,....like "hey, glad to see ya."

suzihawk
06-11-2011, 09:00 AM
She has on 'puppet sleeves' today. GAH!

jmfstl
06-11-2011, 09:00 AM
Best site I found for watching

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:00 AM
wesh isn't showing anything yet.

wftv.com is up and running.

Mountain_Kat
06-11-2011, 09:00 AM
LDB is so cute with her glasses...put them on, take them off, put them on, take them off. :)

Wise Old Owl
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
All Rise!

ahoyhoy
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
Morning all! I'm on disability right now, so Justice for CAYLEE is my 'job' these days!

jmfstl
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
I don't know about "defeated"...she sure was smiling at JB and CM and did that eye thing,....like "hey, glad to see ya."

Yeah she is now. When I posted she was looking a bit different.

Pink Panther
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
Wesh isn't working yet?

angelmom
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
Wow! Nothing about the pics!

First witness, bring in the jury!

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
SA first witness, Neil Haskell ?

2goldfish
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
Baez and ICA are wearing matching colors


oohhh you're right, they sure are....:sick:

BigFatMommyDog
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
Let the record reflect....

Kentjbkent
06-11-2011, 09:01 AM
JB and KC in matching colored shirts...

LCoastMom
06-11-2011, 09:02 AM
Wow if DS was sitting any further away from ICA she'd be at the States table!

Morning!

ami
06-11-2011, 09:02 AM
I see George's tanned head inthe back of the gallery.

Tulessa
06-11-2011, 09:02 AM
Posting for links....

Intermezzo
06-11-2011, 09:02 AM
I guess Casey has recovered from her emotional distress. She and Jose are chatting and laughing like they're waiting for a bus.

UGH!

I agree..
She looks just fine, talkative...animated..she smiles.her face is relaxed...oh wait...gotta press her hand to her face...is there a tear? NO. IMO
THEN.....the Jury comes in and she will flip the switch and begin to scowl and furrow her brow

smart blonde
06-11-2011, 09:02 AM
Is it just me, or does ICA look full of dread?

jmfstl
06-11-2011, 09:02 AM
Dr Neal Haskel first witness called

21merc7
06-11-2011, 09:03 AM
Pouty lips back

ahoyhoy
06-11-2011, 09:03 AM
Okay, honestly--the jury is NOT stupid. When in any photo BEFORE this trial did ICA EVER wear so many clothes by her own choice? These 'innocence' sweaters are killing me. They should make her wear that flag and duct tape---her own clothes.

Mamabear1963
06-11-2011, 09:03 AM
Here comes the Jury....maybe HHJP isn't going to let this become a circus...took care of something in private...AND is going to ignore inappropriate behavior.

Dr Haskell(sp) up first

legalmania
06-11-2011, 09:03 AM
The three sentences not to forget By Dr. G.

1. No child should have duct tape on their face.
2. 100% of accidents involving children 911 is called.
3. The child was thrown out in the woods like trash.

angelmom
06-11-2011, 09:03 AM
Hmm...can't find him.

Intermezzo
06-11-2011, 09:03 AM
Is a scientist coming up...Jeff Ashton to the podium

Dr Neal Haskell..Entomologist..

Eileen730
06-11-2011, 09:03 AM
No witness?

Pink Panther
06-11-2011, 09:04 AM
Maybe wesh was not allowed in?

ahoyhoy
06-11-2011, 09:04 AM
THIS looks like a wizened man of Science!

PLUS a shout-out to Indiana!!! Woot Woot!!!

LiveLaughLuv
06-11-2011, 09:04 AM
Dr. Neil Haskell...entomologist...

Indianagirl
06-11-2011, 09:04 AM
HLN is actually showing it live this morning.

jmfstl
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
Dr Neal Haskel is giving his backround training

Mountain_Kat
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
Neil Hasskell, bug guy. :)

I like him already.

Intermezzo
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
Remember the famous words....Bugs Don't Lie

angelmom
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
Dr. Neal Haskell...professor of forensic science...professional forensic entomology consultant

RammerJammer
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
Maybe wesh was not allowed in?

Refresh your page...it's up and running.

QB.
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
Dr. H giving his educational background

For The Kids
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
To show how widespread this case is..on the online main page of one of our major newstations today here in England was the heading and article " Toddler Caylee's Bones 'Chewed By Animals' ".

Eileen730
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
HLN is actually showing it live this morning.

They do ever saturday!

Nature Girl
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
Beside the bug evidence being presented now, I am wondering what the prosecution will present next week? Any ideas? Whats left?

angelmom
06-11-2011, 09:05 AM
All the scientists talk too fast.

Mouths can barely keep up with their minds!

Bon
06-11-2011, 09:06 AM
Morning everyone, a little late for court this morning :)

TiaM
06-11-2011, 09:06 AM
I guess Baez has already written this witness off as he is NOT a chemist! :loser:

Gnatcatcher
06-11-2011, 09:06 AM
Wow. Testified as expert in 28 states AND Canada!

Tulessa
06-11-2011, 09:07 AM
Casey Cam link please? Mine's not working.

stilettos
06-11-2011, 09:07 AM
All the scientists talk too fast.

Mouths can barely keep up with their minds!

Usually the problem with fsat talkers is that their minds run so much faster than others...seems to bother some people..others notso much. DK why it bothers folks so much.

sorrell skye
06-11-2011, 09:07 AM
Wow - this bug guy has worked cases all over the world!

QB.
06-11-2011, 09:07 AM
This man not a bit nervous. Lots of experience, worked cases world wide. Qualified as an expert in over 27 states and in Canada. Testified in court of appeals in Canada, impressive.

summerthyme
06-11-2011, 09:07 AM
Just got here, who will do cross?

legalmania
06-11-2011, 09:07 AM
I just saw this guy on New Detective he is the best. He timelines decomposition death cases. Body farmer. He uses insects to timeline.

RammerJammer
06-11-2011, 09:07 AM
#CaseyAnthony Good morning from the courtroom. Court spokeswoman tells me tv crews are here from Japan and France.
by Bobkealing via twitter at 7:59 AM

Also a credential request from the Republic of Georgia.

Mountain_Kat
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
And he's a farmer. Man after my own heart. :)

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
I think this is all going over her head.

angelmom
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Beside the bug evidence being presented now, I am wondering what the prosecution will present next week? Any ideas? Whats left?

I'm wondering the same thing. Is there any indication that evidence will be entered regarding behavior and statements since Caylee was found?

I think they want to end with a bang, but I just can't imagine what that will be. As much as I'm interested in the science, this ain't it.

pipkins
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Hes been working in his field longer than Casey has been alive

Softail
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
WESH: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

WESH has PIP (picture in picture) Casey in small box at the bottom

WFTV:http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

NOTE: WFTV has 2 live feeds:

1 follows the action- http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

One on Casey all the time: http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html


Click Orlando:http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html

FOX:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live

Media player:http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

WFTVTV sound only: http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/coxradio/?callsign=WFTVTV

CNN http://live.cnn.com/

WDBO http://www.wdbo.com/caseyontrialvideo/

truthsleuth
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Jury comes in.

Witness called: Dr. Neil Haskell, entomologist. Multiple degrees from Northwestern niv..

Experience before degrees and after his master he worked cases worldwide, over 850 cases. Qualified in 27-28 states as expert witness, worked as expert witness in many countries.

He did 40+ cases in Florida.

He is also a farmer, cattle and horses.

Accepted as expert witness in this case.

Sun
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Anyone else think that JB may be looking here on that laptop to get some input. As we are the public at large actually.

Could be. He sure was laughing at what he was looking at this morning.

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Morning everyone, a little late for court this morning :)

No worries. We saved you a seat!

sorrell skye
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
"Critters" - I luv this guy!

QB.
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Dr. H now explaining what entomology is.

BigFatMommyDog
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Just got here, who will do cross?

Since JB just piped up with no objections to this guy as an expert witness, my guess is JB himself

21merc7
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Casey Cam link please? Mine's not working.

http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

or myfoxorlando.com

cleo612
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Tulessa: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

Indianagirl
06-11-2011, 09:08 AM
They do ever saturday!

They usually don't play it live. They show the taped morning session in the afternoon. At least that is how it has been in my area.

Linda7NJ
06-11-2011, 09:09 AM
Usually the problem with fsat talkers is that their minds run so much faster than others...seems to bother some people..others notso much. DK why it bothers folks so much.


It makes it hard for the court reporter.

But I prefer fast talkers, I am one:)

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:09 AM
O I'm late...I was wondering if GA and CA would be there today.

cloud9
06-11-2011, 09:09 AM
G&C are there.

Gnatcatcher
06-11-2011, 09:09 AM
I'm wondering the same thing. Is there any indication that evidence will be entered regarding behavior and statements since Caylee was found?

I think they want to end with a bang, but I just can't imagine what that will be. As much as I'm interested in the science, this ain't it.

OOO, that could bring in Mark Hawkins, the guy I've been waiting for for 3 years!

momtective
06-11-2011, 09:09 AM
For those who would like to adorn their dart board. :giggle:
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/Dryeyes.jpg

Linda7NJ
06-11-2011, 09:09 AM
Cindy and george are there

Serjen
06-11-2011, 09:10 AM
All this throat clearing is distracting...someone give him some water!

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:10 AM
I bumped the thread for the maggots this morning. :)

Can't wait for testimony!

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:10 AM
O I'm late...I was wondering if GA and CA would be there today.

they are in the courtroom this morning.

AliVada
06-11-2011, 09:11 AM
I am so appreciative of all these various scientists with the specialities that let Caylee have a voice at the trial. haskell is a cutie .... and likeable

kathy

Tulessa
06-11-2011, 09:11 AM
KBelichWFTV: The state insect expert Dr. Neal Haskell is now on the stand. He is the one who identified "coffin flies" in Casey's trunk. [via Twitter]

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:11 AM
Didn't the DT expert criticize this guy for using the term Coffin fly and disagree with his identification of the fly?

TortillaChip
06-11-2011, 09:11 AM
Casey Cam link please? Mine's not working.

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html this one is working for me.

jane the dood
06-11-2011, 09:12 AM
The three sentences not to forget By Dr. G.

1. No child should have duct tape on their face.
2. 100% of accidents involving children 911 is called.
3. The child was thrown out in the woods like trash.

YES!!! Thank you, Dr. G. Whatta gal.

Good morning, all!
:crazy:

QB.
06-11-2011, 09:12 AM
Dr. H was told lots of evidence in the trash bag and it was sealed up.
He examined the materials - found a number of adults 15-20 .

susietigger
06-11-2011, 09:13 AM
I am so appreciative of all these various scientists with the specialities that let Caylee have a voice at the trial. haskell is a cutie .... and likeable

kathy

I liked his "fasinating little critters" comment shows he really loves it

Nature Girl
06-11-2011, 09:13 AM
OOO, that could bring in Mark Hawkins, the guy I've been waiting for for 3 years!

I am wondering if we will see any of the more colorfull characters. Like Leonard P. Or someone from Equisearch? Anyone who was in the house and saw her behaviour.

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:13 AM
Does anyone have a Riccola?

ggg
06-11-2011, 09:13 AM
I'm wondering the same thing. Is there any indication that evidence will be entered regarding behavior and statements since Caylee was found?

I think they want to end with a bang, but I just can't imagine what that will be. As much as I'm interested in the science, this ain't it.

I noticed the white binder at DT table...labeled "cell phones"

Bon
06-11-2011, 09:13 AM
No worries. We saved you a seat!


Forever grateful, thanks :)

angelmom
06-11-2011, 09:13 AM
I'll bet JB is going to make a big deal out of the fact that they went back for those adults. He's going to try to make it sound like the flies went in there after.

Eileen730
06-11-2011, 09:14 AM
Usually the problem with fsat talkers is that their minds run so much faster than others...seems to bother some people..others notso much. DK why it bothers folks so much.

It so the court transcriber can get every word when they talk to fast she cant catch up

SuziQ
06-11-2011, 09:14 AM
Wow - this bug guy has worked cases all over the world!

My DD's FIL is a bug guy and it's amazing where they travel and the cases they work on.

QB.
06-11-2011, 09:14 AM
Dr. H says he found literally hundreds of tiny flies. contacted an expert in those particular flies for positive identification. I can't spell it, but Dr. H says it is found regularly in decomp in both animal & human.

dog.gone.cute
06-11-2011, 09:15 AM
#CaseyAnthony Good morning from the courtroom. Court spokeswoman tells me tv crews are here from Japan and France.
by Bobkealing via twitter at 7:59 AM

Also a credential request from the Republic of Georgia.


WOW ... Japan and France !

:waitasec: Don't tell JB and ICA ... they will 'think' they are "international stars" ...

andalso
06-11-2011, 09:15 AM
It bothers me that they use cardboard boxes for evidence storage, isn't there a better way to store evidence? Maybe its not a problem for the evidence itself, but it bothers me because it looks unprofessional and not well packaged. IMO.

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:15 AM
More dots being connected by the state!

Mountain_Kat
06-11-2011, 09:15 AM
The papertowels were in a bag WITHIN the trash bag! That's important.

Quiche
06-11-2011, 09:16 AM
(hush, Jean C.)

tragco
06-11-2011, 09:16 AM
Who does ICA keep glancing at? Looks like she has been glancing toward the people in the courtroom.

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:16 AM
Was there even any meat in the trash bag?

Eileen730
06-11-2011, 09:16 AM
Ya know i dont think the photos being released in the press will be a big concern the Jury already saw them It was to respect others close t Caylee

logicalgirl
06-11-2011, 09:16 AM
Don't know why because I don't even like bugs but I love listening to Dr. Haskell talk about bugs - fascinating!

Eileen730
06-11-2011, 09:17 AM
Dr. H says he found literally hundreds of tiny flies. contacted an expert in those particular flies for positive identification. I can't spell it, but Dr. H says it is found regularly in decomp in both animal & human.

Are they the coffin fies?

Mountain_Kat
06-11-2011, 09:17 AM
Great witness!

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:17 AM
Ya know i dont think the photos being released in the press will be a big concern the Jury already saw them It was to respect others close t Caylee

I'd actually like to see them. I'm very interested in the placement of the duct tape in relation to the mandible. But I am also pretty morbid too..

Tuffy
06-11-2011, 09:17 AM
Lots of paper towels with an abundance of puparia (dead) within them.

21merc7
06-11-2011, 09:17 AM
JB shaking head no at decomp fluid

LiveLaughLuv
06-11-2011, 09:17 AM
Who does ICA keep glancing at? Looks like she has been glancing toward the people in the courtroom.

It's like she's watching a tennis match..looks at the SA when they ask a question than onto the witness as they answer...

QB.
06-11-2011, 09:17 AM
JA: did there seem to be something on the towels that would have attracted the flies
Dr H: he thought it was a good possiblility because of the presence of these flies that it was decomp fluid

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:18 AM
decompositional fluid on the paper towels.

Tulessa
06-11-2011, 09:18 AM
KBelichWFTV: Dr. Haskell just testified that the adult flies found in her trunk on paper towels are very very common with decomposition [via Twitter]

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
Was there even any meat in the trash bag?

Not a scrap! All the food boxes (including the famous PIZZA) was empty.

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
I would like to know if he has sent stuff to Dr. Vass or if the SA suggested it? If he does, that would bolster Dr. Vass. Did JB just say he can't testify to Vass's findings? Didn't Vass already testify about the adipocere?

logicalgirl
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
No, never any meat or food products in the plastic bag/trash. None! Packaging only,

realdeal
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
Cindy and george are there

This is soooo going to be a sickening thing (bugs, flies, decomp) for them to hear. I'm wondering if someone else will be testifying who they are especially interested in hearing. Or did they have no way of knowing who might be on the stand today? I missed the last part of yesterday's.

TortillaChip
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
Who does ICA keep glancing at? Looks like she has been glancing toward the people in the courtroom.

hrcodepink noted this yesterday, I did too. I am hoping she is not connecting with a juror, but she has recently started doing this.

zoey
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
JB shaking head no at decomp fluid

keep in mind that jb suggested semen on paper towels the other day.....

Eileen730
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
I'd actually like to see them. I'm very interested in the placement of the duct tape in relation to the mandible. But I am also pretty morbid too..

I think we all have some morbid curiosity

Mohabi
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
paper towels had cocoon stage and larve and a few adults--all dead. describes larve as being less than 1/16th of an inch.

Associated the presense of the flies to the substance on the paper towels.

substance was requested to be analyzed. Evaluation showed that the material adiopocere (fluids from decomposing materials)

JB appears to be amused during this testimony.

BigFatMommyDog
06-11-2011, 09:19 AM
Absolutely, absolutely (funny how that's come back around to bite someone's butt)

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:20 AM
(hush, Jean C.)

I know! I had her on while getting my bagel since I missed the sidebar buffet...decided to put it on online, with the TV and mute the tv

Tulessa
06-11-2011, 09:20 AM
KBelichWFTV: He testified the flies were feeding on substance on paper towels in the trunk.. Which was identified as decomposition fluid [via Twitter]

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:20 AM
Not a scrap! All the food boxes (including the famous PIZZA) was empty.

So no logical reason for these flies! Of course other than there being something decomposing in the trunk

heartfortruth
06-11-2011, 09:20 AM
WOW ... Japan and France !

:waitasec: Don't tell JB and ICA ... they will 'think' they are "international stars" ...

too late.........they already do........I swear, sometimes KC looks haughty and imperious.....Queen of the Court.
I hope that is not bad to say......just couldn't resist....

QB.
06-11-2011, 09:20 AM
Dr. H also found in the paper towels a leg of fly that is found all the time in forensic cases, the blow fly.

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:21 AM
keep in mind that jb suggested semen on paper towels the other day.....

Wahaht? I missed that!!! Wouldn't that be pretty easy to tell under a microscope???

Azcrabcakes
06-11-2011, 09:21 AM
I love how JA always pronounces medical, chemical and entomological words correctly!

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:22 AM
Oh Lord poor GA and CA are there.

2goldfish
06-11-2011, 09:22 AM
welll.....I should mute this now :sick:

MissJames
06-11-2011, 09:22 AM
I'd actually like to see them. I'm very interested in the placement of the duct tape in relation to the mandible. But I am also pretty morbid too..

It's against the law in the State of FL to publish the ME's pictures of remains and it also goes against the Judges' orders.It's a big deal.

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:22 AM
keep in mind that jb suggested semen on paper towels the other day.....

Lord have mercy. I missed that.

Mountain_Kat
06-11-2011, 09:23 AM
This stuff is just fascinating.

zoey
06-11-2011, 09:23 AM
Wahaht? I missed that!!! Wouldn't that be pretty easy to tell under a microscope???

IIRC it was Dr. Vass...think dt is just looking for something/anything bodily fluid type

fifteen89
06-11-2011, 09:23 AM
Anyone else having trouble with wftv's Casey cam? It just keeps saying '...unavailable....check back soon.'

From the sound on the other view on that one to the akami reflector I opened, the sound is waaaaay behind on the akami reflector.

Rallihanna
06-11-2011, 09:23 AM
Someone released the photos?

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
It's against the law in the State of FL to publish the ME's pictures of remains and it also goes against the Judges' orders.It's a big deal.

Well they have released unaltered pictures of other articles of remains. Just not the skull. I'm not begging for it, just curious.

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Even blowflies are better mothers than ICA.

Gnatcatcher
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Casey seems somewhat interested in this testimony. I wonder if they teach Entomology at DuPaul, you know, just in case she wants to study it when she gets out.

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Mother blow fly. I love this guy!

Donjeta
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
After a point flies are no longer interested

looking for food sources that can support the next generation
at some point the mother fly is gonna say, this food is no good, I'm gonna find the next kill

then other groups of insects come in

Phoebeb
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Anyone else having problems with Wesh video "jerking"?

KenoshaKid
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Was there even any meat in the trash bag?

No there wasn't

legalmania
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Mother fly stay the heck out of my kitchen.

wenwe4
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Sorry - computer issues - just lost my post! (aarrgh!)

stilettos
06-11-2011, 09:25 AM
keep in mind that jb suggested semen on paper towels the other day.....

OMG...he is so disgusting.

SeaNymph
06-11-2011, 09:25 AM
Wow, Mama Fly cares more about her offspring than ICA.

fifteen89
06-11-2011, 09:25 AM
This is so disgusting. Does she 'get' that when he says 'they will feed on anything', he's referring to her daughter?

Bon
06-11-2011, 09:25 AM
Even blowflies are better mothers than ICA.

"Ain't that the truth" :crazy:

Oakley
06-11-2011, 09:25 AM
JB appears to be amused during this testimony.

Speaking of amusing, Jose was in top form yesterday afternoon. :floorlaugh:

luvhockey
06-11-2011, 09:25 AM
Did they ever get this poor Dr some water???

Eidetic
06-11-2011, 09:25 AM
Between NH and JA throat issues, I have to take these earphones out before I lose my mind.

Carolina Girl
06-11-2011, 09:25 AM
I think the Judge said pixilate the skull, not all bones.

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:26 AM
Ford flies are very tiny.

Like the size of a gnat.

They are able to get through very small cracks.

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:26 AM
Blow fly is interested (they are the shiny blue green flys we see) quickest in a new food resource. Newly deceased food source? I think this is what he's saying.

There had to be some decompostion for the (ford?) flies (coffin flies I think) we see them within a few days or they may come much later weeks or even months later and they are very tiny. Mother fly can be one to 4 or 5 millimeters. They are like gnat flies, they can get into very small spaces.

zoey
06-11-2011, 09:26 AM
This is so disgusting. Does she 'get' that when he says 'they will feed on anything', he's referring to her daughter?

this would be worse to me than the skull....

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:26 AM
semen=/=decomp Jose!

Tuffy
06-11-2011, 09:27 AM
This is so disgusting. Does she 'get' that when he says 'they will feed on anything', he's referring to her daughter?

I hope that's what the jury gets.

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:27 AM
"body deposited very quickly into the trunk"

Ricki
06-11-2011, 09:27 AM
JB writes something everytime the judge says over ruled.

Tuffy
06-11-2011, 09:28 AM
this would be worse to me than the skull....

Me too. And yet, today, Casey's cool as a cucumber. Testimony is "no biggie" to her!

texaslb218
06-11-2011, 09:28 AM
i'm thinking ICA isn't upset yet because she doesn't understand a word this witness is saying nor the implications of the content of his statements.

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:28 AM
Wrapping victim in plastic bag can inhibit blow flys.

fifteen89
06-11-2011, 09:29 AM
this would be worse to me than the skull....

I know. Part of me wanted to see the actual photos, not pixelated, so I can see exactly what she did to her little girl. But I want to only have the pictures of that adorable little girl in my mind. I KNOW Casey's an evil monster.

legalmania
06-11-2011, 09:29 AM
Oh ya the pigs are the closest thing to humans when it comes to decomposition.

Tuffy
06-11-2011, 09:29 AM
JB writes something everytime the judge says over ruled.

He's probably writing "judge is so mean to me!"

mitzi
06-11-2011, 09:29 AM
I like this witness...didn't he teach the defense's entomological expert at University? I bet his lectures were interesting.

Bobbarita
06-11-2011, 09:29 AM
Jeezz. The body was double bagged and the bags were closed. How long was the body in the trunk?

Azcrabcakes
06-11-2011, 09:30 AM
I did not care for Dr. Haskell the first few minutes - Too many "SOs and "thens" but after having some water, he seems more alive! He is also looking at the jury! He seems to be doing a good job! :crazy:

Mare10
06-11-2011, 09:30 AM
What in the world is JB is amused at? His expressions are killing me here. I have to remember that the jury will not remember all these facial expressions and smiles and will only be able to read it back on paper. ugh

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:30 AM
The source of the decomp fluids in the trunk could not have been in the trunk very long. Whatever was in the trunk had to be out of the trunk by the time the car was abandoned. That 3, 4, 5 days would have been sufficient to produce decomp fluids to attract the flies.

logicalgirl
06-11-2011, 09:30 AM
Noticing that ICA doesn't look at all upset by the testimony of decomposing material, fluids, body, flies feasting, etc. - from the look on her face Dr. Haskell could be discussing anything. The words "purged fluid" didn't make a blink on her face. Now talking about the impact of heat on the process.
No reaction at all.

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:31 AM
I love listening to this guy talk!

TortillaChip
06-11-2011, 09:31 AM
I think NH will do well in cross, but who will do it?? maybe DCS?

MissJames
06-11-2011, 09:31 AM
I'd actually like to see them. I'm very interested in the placement of the duct tape in relation to the mandible. But I am also pretty morbid too..
Publishing ME pics of remains is against the law in the State of FL. It also goes against the Judges' orders .It's a big deal. JMO

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:31 AM
Amazing! His estimation of how long body was in the trunk fits perfectly with my timeline.

logicalgirl
06-11-2011, 09:32 AM
JB always gets that smirky, amused look when testimony is really worrying him.

Rallihanna
06-11-2011, 09:32 AM
This is an interesting witness... can't say I like bugs though.

Tulessa
06-11-2011, 09:32 AM
KBelichWFTV: Dr. Haskell said he believes Caylee's body could have been in the trunk of Casey's car for 3 to 5 days [via Twitter]

TortillaChip
06-11-2011, 09:33 AM
What in the world is JB is amused at? His expressions are killing me here. I have to remember that the jury will not remember all these facial expressions and smiles and will only be able to read it back on paper. ugh

this testimony must be bothering him, maybe he will cross then. This is good stuff, and that makes him nervous,imo.

logicalgirl
06-11-2011, 09:33 AM
So impressed with this witness - how could anyone even suggest he doesn't know what he is talking about!

chefmom
06-11-2011, 09:33 AM
ICA is listening very intently to the discussion of the flies and their life cycle. "When I get out of here, I have to remember all of this. Next time I won't leave them in a hot trunk so long."

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:33 AM
establishing how heat effects life cycle of fly.

(that is in the report on maggot thread)

He traveled to see trunk himself. Came on 16th of DEC. but consulted with LE from 11 DEC to 16 DEC for collection of specimens. He talked to impound guy. (burch? IIRC)

fifteen89
06-11-2011, 09:34 AM
During what part of the testimony yesterday was she 'breaking down'? And how is THIS not having any affect? She's back to not a care in the world, this doesn't concern me......blah blah blah yada yada yada.....where should we go for lunch....

Lanie
06-11-2011, 09:34 AM
MOO (and I don't think they would even bring this up, as it's speculation.)

I think ICA got Caylee out of the trunk to bury her when she borrowed the shovel, and that is when the flies got access to her remains.

Ricki
06-11-2011, 09:35 AM
This gross but the Cold Hearted one cries over the mention of her baby's skull, but does not flinch when she hears bugs were eating her precious baby's flesh. Can"t say anymore about ICA. God Forgive Me for my thoughts.

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:35 AM
During what part of the testimony yesterday was she 'breaking down'? And how is THIS not having any affect?

when they spoke of how animals were eating at Caylee's bones iirc

Black Magic Woman
06-11-2011, 09:35 AM
Good gosh, now not only is the state constantly coughing so is the witness.

Rallihanna
06-11-2011, 09:35 AM
I think she put her in the car the afternoon of the 16th- didn't we hear she was with Tone all day on the 17th? By the time she probably got back to the car on the 18th... well she was already starting to have a mess on her hand. IMO

texaslb218
06-11-2011, 09:36 AM
During what part of the testimony yesterday was she 'breaking down'? And how is THIS not having any affect?
She doesn't understand the technical testimony.

logicalgirl
06-11-2011, 09:36 AM
Dr. Haskell casually throws in to his testimony that he and his colleagues established protocols for collecting bug evidence - over 25 years ago. Talks about the protocols for collection and analysis.
Decomposition process is temperature dependent as is bug development. Insects are cold blooded.

Serjen
06-11-2011, 09:36 AM
Jose Baez always has that smirk on his face, and I think he gets it even more when he's pissed...like a way to conceal how pissed he is.

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:36 AM
Decomp is temp dependent and so is fly life cycle.

referring to remains as carrion.

TiaM
06-11-2011, 09:37 AM
JB always gets that smirky, amused look when testimony is really worrying him.

I agree. I think he purposely does it though to try to communicate to the jury that it's "no big deal" or "off the wall" or something. :maddening:

Apparently he doesn't realize how ridiculous and disrespectful it makes him look.

Tuffy
06-11-2011, 09:37 AM
During what part of the testimony yesterday was she 'breaking down'? And how is THIS not having any affect? She's back to not a care in the world, this doesn't concern me......blah blah blah yada yada yada.....where should we go for lunch....

I'm sure this is not escaping notice of the jurors. Someone on the DT needs to pinch her to let her know she is supposed to be upset again.

GetSmart
06-11-2011, 09:37 AM
Originally Posted by fifteen89 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
During what part of the testimony yesterday was she 'breaking down'? And how is THIS not having any affect?

I really think she goes into a "Charlie Brown" mode..

Linda7NJ
06-11-2011, 09:37 AM
Good gosh, now not only is the state constantly coughing so is the witness.


Are they smokers?

Lovejac
06-11-2011, 09:37 AM
Black solider fly.

I had no idea there were so many different flies!

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:37 AM
you mean...it wasn't pizza?!

technicalconfusion
06-11-2011, 09:38 AM
Does anyone else have a sensation of bugs crawling on them?

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:38 AM
"I found a number of species & groups that I would have expected on advanced decomposed remains," Dr. Haskell said. #CaseyAnthony

by Oscaseyanthony via twitter at 3:37 AM

Tuffy
06-11-2011, 09:38 AM
I agree. I think he purposely does it though to try to communicate to the jury that it's "no big deal" or "off the wall" or something. :maddening:

Apparently he doesn't realize how ridiculous and disrespectful it makes him look.

When he smirks, and the accused shakes her head, that means the state is putting on some damning evidence.

essies
06-11-2011, 09:38 AM
Anybody else find J. Lichtenstein's tweets not at all humorous? NH is talking about the flies feeding on Caylee's decomposing body you <unusual person>!!!:banghead:

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:39 AM
Thanks for knocking the defenses theory out the water Dr. H! (no pun intended)

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Aha finally said the word Body (JA)

The body had to be place quickly into environment that would exclude blowflys.

Found flys that were consistant with decomp of 3-5 days.

summerthyme
06-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Are they smokers?

Ashton caught the "crud". I have it and it's going around here. You cough for weeks after the fever and active infection is gone because the bronchials remain inflamed for some time after. My husband has been coughing like that for 3 weeks now.

Azcrabcakes
06-11-2011, 09:40 AM
"Puparium" is not in most folk's everyday vocabulary, especially JB's and ICA's! JB is practicing pronouncing "megacilia" right now!

whiteangora
06-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Noticing that ICA doesn't look at all upset by the testimony of decomposing material, fluids, body, flies feasting, etc. - from the look on her face Dr. Haskell could be discussing anything. The words "purged fluid" didn't make a blink on her face. Now talking about the impact of heat on the process.
No reaction at all.

The girl is a true enigma, any other mother would really be puking hearing about filthy flies feasting on her child.

Rallihanna
06-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Clearly showing that the body was placed there soon after the initial decomposition in the trunk. Witness said it had been out there for many, many months.

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:41 AM
"Puparium" is not in most folk's everyday vocabulary, especially JB's and ICA's! JB is practicing pronouncing "megacilia" right now!

LOL I think he's still practicing "iorn"

pipkins
06-11-2011, 09:41 AM
no doubt that the body had been there many many months - was deposited there as a body not skeleton

Rallihanna
06-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Witness- it had been there since June, early July. Because there were a few blow flies present, it was not skeletinized when placed there.

Phoebeb
06-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Not deposited there as a skeleton! Yeah!

strawberry
06-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Oooh I don't remember this guy estimating how long the body was there...June or July. And was a body partially decomposed in the purging/bloat phase.

Donjeta
06-11-2011, 09:41 AM
i have no question that the body had been there for many many months?

can you be more specific

June or early July

was body deposited as a skeleton or decomosing

since there were blowflies it was not a skeleton but partially decomposed

still with soft tissue?
yes

are findings in car and body consistent?

decomposition had begun, early colonies had been excluded
body couldn't have been in the trunk for very long due to temperatures
could have been placed where it was found,

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Body had to be out there many many months. Based on recovery the body had to be deposited as not skeletal remains. Insects found were consistant with body partially decomposed with considerable soft tissue.

andalso
06-11-2011, 09:41 AM
I am glad to hear JB objecting, means he will be doing the cross...which also means (IMO) the States case will soon be made stronger! THANKS JB!

To literally play devils advocate for a minute... could there be a chance that JB does know that ICA is guilty and there is a part of him that could care less what happens to his client because he too has seen the light on ICA's guilt. I mean at this point, he is stuck defending her (right?), and he by law has to put forward some sort of defense (right?). His defense, however, is SO far lacking ANY validity that perhaps, just perhaps, he is only going through the motions and doesn't actually want his client to get off?
Please remember I am only playing devils advocate, just wondering if anyone has also had this cross their mind? TIA

OR, is he just a REALLY bad lawyer. (IMO)

logicalgirl
06-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Based on the bug evidence the body has been there many many months and was a partially decomposed body when it was placed there with considerable soft tissue.
BAM! Baez, did you hear that?

Angelonline
06-11-2011, 09:42 AM
OT - This is my first day to be able to actually watch testimony instead of reading about it at night on Websleuths- wooohoooo! :)

ShadowGal
06-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Sorry, late to thread, but yay, the bug guy! ICA looks irked again by Dr Haskell's testimony. His experience, resume, and knowledge as an expert witness should skeer the DT sufficently. He has an easy manner and is obviously very confident in his abilities. A wise man imo.

OOo, Just ruled out a skeletal deposit at scene...the bugs found tell of soft tissue decomp, not skeletal at burial!

smart blonde
06-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Are George and Cindy in the courtroom, having to listen to this testimony?

(Thanks in advance for answering).

Rallihanna
06-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Witness - it was left with considerable soft tissue. The findings in the car and the scene tell a consistent story. Decomposition began in the trunk (It was not in there for very long), body was then removed and then placed in the woods.

Ricki
06-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Body was deposited with soft tissue. Bugs has something to feast on. Not a skeleton like JB would like everyone to believe. Thwarted again JB. JA just knocked that one out of the park.

MEM2010
06-11-2011, 09:42 AM
LOL here we go!

TiaM
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
"Puparium" is not in most folk's everyday vocabulary, especially JB's and ICA's! JB is practicing pronouncing "megacilia" right now!

I hope he tries to write it on his big crumpled pad of paper. Complete with his own illustration! :floorlaugh:

pipkins
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
cross examination by JB

Rallihanna
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
And now we get cross- not sure I can take that this early on the weekend.

21merc7
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
They need to explain how long it takes for the body fluids to being seeping.

Kat
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
Cross

JB is batter up.

Tuffy
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
Says the body was placed at the scene in June, early July.

Says it was not skeletal remains placed there, it was a partially decomposed body with considerable soft tissue.

Casey's reaction = none, still no biggie. Just the partially decomposed body of my daughter being tossed like trash.

watergirl
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
Aside: When I cant tell if my Caseycam video has frozen up I am assuming her meds have kicked in, like now.

Someone mentioned the other day that her mannerisms are rather animated on fast-forward. Interesting observation.

logicalgirl
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
Oh dear, help us - Baez up to do the bug evidence cross of Dr. Haskell....

pipkins
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
I cringe when JB comes on - lets hope he doesnt start drawing!

Ricki
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
JB up. Mute. Don't have to pay attention much here now. He just will stumble over his words and ignore the word sustained.

strach304
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
Good job JA Dr. Haskell!!!

4realtho
06-11-2011, 09:43 AM
Crap, I just woke up...from all your post, it sounds like the witness did an excellent job.