View Full Version : 2011.06.06 Sidebar (Trial Day Eleven)
LittleBitty35
06-06-2011, 01:19 PM
I agree...we have
1.) GA
2.) CA
3.) LA
4.) Tow Lot Owner
5.) OCSO CSI (Bloise) - testified on Saturday
6.) Voss
Anyone else?
Yuri Melich, the dog people, ICA herself (something died in my car, squirrels crawled up there, dead animal plastered to the undercarriage)
darnudes
06-06-2011, 01:20 PM
If it were that simple, something tells me that the video's would have been ruled out as something significant and released a long time ago.
The State may have only just found them.
because a person who drowned wouldn't show signs of trauma to the skeleton. Truly one of the most specious bits of reasoning I have ever heard. She could go on to say the skelton is consistent with suffocation, aneurism, heart attack, stroke, or any other non traumatic event. Truly truly a wicked and twisted rationale. Horrifying.
I don't think their ME gave a cause of death...all we have heard was it can't be murder if there isn't a cause of death.....(which drives me nuts)
Intermezzo
06-06-2011, 01:20 PM
The Home Depot videos (or their mention of existing) were released in a 4-08-11 Doc dump previously linked on this thread and the dates are:
24. CD-R - Home Depot Video, 5-23-08, 6-29-08, 7-5-08
25. CD-R - Home Depot Video, 5-29-08
Two of them are obviously well before Caylee died, so if there is any evidence of her buying chemicals, masks, duct tape, etc. in Ma it will point to premeditation. The one on 6-29 might be her looking for a gas can and who knows what she was there for the day AL was returning home.
It's odd to me that she would be spending any stolen money on anyone but herself unless it was something important. I mean, it's not like you can buy sunglasses, bras and beer at Home Depot.
I am very curious about the May 23 and 29 2008 videos...can't wait to see them.
I will have to go back and look at the pings..I thought she spent Sunday June 29th with TL? she drove him to the airport the following morning..
July 5th was the day Tony was due back in Orlando and also the day Casey was out shopping with Will Waters.
They went to Ikea next to the Mall at Millenia, of note, there is also a Home Depot in that retail area on Millenia Plaza Way
bogeygal
06-06-2011, 01:20 PM
I was thinking about the jury during lunch break. They can't discuss the case with each other as Judge Perry's instructions.
My guess is that the jurors respect that and most likely talk about "their lives" or their children or careers.
I thank the jurors for taking on this long trial for the benefit of justice. God bless them!
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 01:21 PM
I know LP bailed her out and then later revoked. Why did parents not bail her out? Or did the bail increase after CA's remains were located.
Thanks from a newbie.
Did not have the cash to put up the percentage of the total bond requires. In debt up to their eyeballs...
Tulessa
06-06-2011, 01:21 PM
CFNews13Casey: Dog handlers in the #CaseyAnthony case are in hallway this afternoon
Emeralgem
06-06-2011, 01:21 PM
Sorry that I can't help with a photo, but she has most DEFINITELY had a makeover.
And IMHO. it hasn't helped much.
nomoresorrow
06-06-2011, 01:21 PM
I was just about to post that! I couldn't believe my ears when she said that!! How can a skeleton be consistent with drowning?????
Inquiring minds want to know! :banghead::banghead::banghead:
I think what she (LBK) is claiming is that there were no signs of trauma to the bones (knife marks, bullet holes, broken bones, etc.,), therefore it COULD BE consistent with drowning. HOWEVER, what she fails to mention, along that same line of thinking, is that it could also be consistent with smothering/suffocation - the extenuating evidence in this case supports the latter rather than LBK's claim.
mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 01:21 PM
Are we back early?
Never mind, it's a replay :)
suzihawk
06-06-2011, 01:21 PM
Could someone please post a photo of LKB when she was on the DT. I'm having trouble placing her, unless she's had a makeover.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRiR3qshFMhizMdNleo5bRCdP2-vPTs92jAJ_l9owzSRuyMONKJ
She definitely had some 'work' done.
Intermezzo
06-06-2011, 01:22 PM
No, Ryan whatsisname from IS gave LKB a flattering comment along the lines of, "where is she, seems like this defense needs her" and she said "I know, I feel like that's my baby out there (the defense case) and I'm not with it."
This followed a bit where they were discussing how LKB had been a DT member and did some depos for them last year.
okay I get it now...her baby may be the deposition of Dr Vass and she would have done the cross IF IMO she did not bail on this case.
Insomnia Momma
06-06-2011, 01:23 PM
Posting really quick for links :)
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Sleuths4Me
06-06-2011, 01:23 PM
LKB says why can't the SA just believe, the child drowned? Because it's BS..who take an accident and turn it into a crime by lying, hiding and abusing a corpse. UGH.
yeah, one would think that if a person murdered someone they would try to make it look like an accident and not the other way around :waitasec:
MADJGNLAW
06-06-2011, 01:23 PM
:waitasec: I sure hope the judge will let the jury smell the air samples.
Casey Anthony Trial: Air Samples of Anthony's Trunk Could Be O.J. Simpson Moment"Snip" By JESSICA HOPPER
June 6, 2011
The judge in the Casey Anthony murder trial is expected to decide whether to let jurors smell air samples from a car trunk that witnesses have said reeked of human decomposition.
Video Report at link below.
Full Article: http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-trial-air-samples-trunk-oj-simpson/story?id=13773007
ebedeeb
06-06-2011, 01:23 PM
not any sign of recognition from DS to ICA
lib's mom
06-06-2011, 01:24 PM
Could someone please post a photo of LKB when she was on the DT. I'm having trouble placing her, unless she's had a makeover.
She appeared to have had a makeover when I saw her on IS today. I hope she didn't pay alot for it. I'm just sayin'.
Harmony2
06-06-2011, 01:24 PM
This informationwill likely be heard this afternoon from Dr. Vass
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/SoulShynz9293/Conclusionscorrelationstechniquespa.jpg
Themis
06-06-2011, 01:24 PM
Racoons with 9 inch hair that has female Anthony mitocondrialDNA in it! What are the odds??????
:floorlaugh: Shhhhh! Don't point out the obvious mistakes yet! Let the DT argue this in their closing argument and then let the prosecution give their rebuttal argument and use this as a primary example of the quality of the defense logic.
"They would have you believe that reasonable doubt exists because a mythical racoon with 9 inch long hair with the female Anthony mitrocontrial DNA in it -- COULD have had the hair band. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is the kind of "pie in the sky" theory that does not form the basis for a reasonable doubt. That leaves you with the truth as shown by the State's evidence; a death band was on Caylee's hair in the trunk of the car that was being actively used only by Casey."
DT gets no more opportunities to speak after that. It is the last thing the jury hears other than the judge's instructions before they go into deliberation.
dog.gone.cute
06-06-2011, 01:25 PM
CFNews13Casey: Dog handlers in the #CaseyAnthony case are in hallway this afternoon
:great: :great: Thank You, Tulessa ...
Oh ... don't you just wish they could bring the dogs into the courtroom ... do a demonstration for JB and ICA ...
Oh . . . :great:
QueenD
06-06-2011, 01:25 PM
She was indicted in Oct. no bail at that time. They found Caylee in December.
had my areest times off, thanks.
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 01:25 PM
A REMINDER: PLEASE LET US REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING UPON PLAYERS' APPEARANCES, NO MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE "AISLE" THEY ARE SITTING ON.
Substance over surface, always.
not any sign of recognition from DS to ICA
I noticed right before lunch that no one was paying her attention......she tried but no one bit
Intermezzo
06-06-2011, 01:25 PM
LKB says why can't the SA just believe, the child drowned? Because it's BS..who take an accident and turn it into a crime by lying, hiding and abusing a corpse. UGH.
uuuhhh.
Does the evidence support an accidental drowning? IMO I don't think so
Duct tape on Caylee...a few pieces of duct tape..
Levels of chloroform so high..much higher than normal compositional events
Computer searches for How to make Chloroform...
and so on...
So the above leads LKB to believe it was an accident.:waitasec:
redkatrampant
06-06-2011, 01:26 PM
Yay! A thousand posts!!! Congrats!! I remember going through the same thing and being really pleased when I did it. When I asked why no one noticed, I think it was LambChop who said. "So?"....:floorlaugh:
So here's your celebration cause I understand, but the next marker, I will say....so?
For redkatrampant and 1000 posts! ......:fireworks:
:giggle:
:rocker:
pjmale
06-06-2011, 01:26 PM
Feeds back.
andalso
06-06-2011, 01:27 PM
CFNews13Casey: Dog handlers in the #CaseyAnthony case are in hallway this afternoon
They should bring the dogs into the courtroom and see what they hit on. Would be interesting!!
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 01:27 PM
Back to the Live Thread here.
Cherry Baby
06-06-2011, 01:27 PM
The logical question today while IS was blowing smoke up her .... when she said "I feel like it's my baby there"....would have been "then why aren't you there?"
Or...with all this evidence wouldn't you take a plea?
Intermezzo
06-06-2011, 01:27 PM
Quoting my own post...does anyone remember what dates the Chloroform searches were conducted on the computer? Wasn't there one in May?
March 2008...very soon after Cindy cut off Casey's money supply..(access to Cindy's bank account)
mck16
06-06-2011, 01:27 PM
DT will bring up the fact that Febreeze has choloform in it. That came out at the Frye hearings.
QueenD
06-06-2011, 01:27 PM
:great: :great: Thank You, Tulessa ...
Oh ... don't you just wish they could bring the dogs into the courtroom ... do a demonstration for JB and ICA ...
Oh . . . :great:
Dang and I have a Dr. appt this afternoon. I will miss everything after 2:30. Lots of reading tonight.
I am going to try to listen through Iphone if I can get the skyfire to work.
Linda7NJ
06-06-2011, 01:28 PM
what's Casey doin under that table?
Mendara
06-06-2011, 01:29 PM
KC in court already - busy writing.
Intermezzo
06-06-2011, 01:30 PM
You think so? Too recent wasn't it? I understand that type of duct tape went walkies from a job George had a number of years ago...:waitasec:
IIRC that type of Duct Tape was not longer being manufactured..
mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 01:30 PM
what's Casey doin under that table?
She's not doing what I think she needs to be doing, which is praying..:banghead:
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 01:31 PM
Back to the Live Thread here. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138972)
Bumping. Prepare yourselves! :rollercoaster:
I had to shut down the Casey Cam. Just could no longer stand to look at the odd tilt of her head.
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 02:58 PM
OK we need this. Please note, intoxication is not an acceptable excuse for abusing TOS.
http://fastfood.ocregister.com/files/2009/10/booze1.jpg
http://fastfood.ocregister.com/files/2009/10/booze1.jpg
newsjunkie
06-06-2011, 02:59 PM
Isn't it funny that DS takes her purse with her every time she leaves the table? She doesn't want to leave it alone with the convicted felon even with bailiffs and cameras in the room. LOL
sleutherontheside
06-06-2011, 02:59 PM
Did anyone verify when the new changes to the Dr. Vass wiki page were made?
LittleBitty35
06-06-2011, 02:59 PM
SIDEBAR!!!!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138993&page=11
LOL. It is a good thing I don't drink anymore...because I would be beyond help if I slammed one everytime there was a sidebar. :truce:
Capri
06-06-2011, 02:59 PM
How long is the break?
STEADFAST
06-06-2011, 02:59 PM
My dog was softly growling at Baez during all that!
Quiche
06-06-2011, 02:59 PM
Dr. Vass is holding up exceptionally well under cross examination by JB. He must have a very nice temper. mo
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 02:59 PM
Or...with all this evidence wouldn't you take a plea?
I cant for the life of me understand why they are not taking a plea!!!
Celt1997
06-06-2011, 02:59 PM
Did anyone verify when the new changes to the Dr. Vass wiki page were made?
Yes, it was definitely 17:55 Wiki Server time (12:55 EST).
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 03:00 PM
When I grow up, I'm going to marry Dr. Vass. :blush:
sleutherontheside
06-06-2011, 03:00 PM
Yes, it was definitely 17:55 Wiki Server time (12:55 EST).
Wonder if the SAO knows about that.
YellowSubmarine
06-06-2011, 03:00 PM
Yay!!! It's recess time! Join in everyone!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t252/dolfinlover4321/The%20Kids/IMG_4925.jpg
GiantPickle
06-06-2011, 03:01 PM
ok what am I missing with the TOS violations? I thought we were behaving?
I had to shut down the Casey Cam. Just could no longer stand to look at the odd tilt of her head.
She may have picked that lil habit up from Baez. I've noticed whenever JB gets slapped down by HHJP, he does a head tilt (tic type response) towards the judge.
okiedokietoo
06-06-2011, 03:01 PM
How long is the break?
until 3:10
rosepetal1065
06-06-2011, 03:01 PM
JB is barking up the wrong tree..yet again. Dude needs to let it go..seriously hasn't he ever heard of get in and get out.
Turnadot
06-06-2011, 03:01 PM
I'm proud of how well behaved we all were during Baez's attack cross of Dr Vass.
Capri
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
I cant for the life of me understand why they are not taking a plea!!!
Because a plea is no longer on the table?
Black Magic Woman
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
What was the "mini bombshell" that JB just exploded on himself? I missed it but just heard something wftv said about JB asking a question he didn't know the answer to and blowing off his defense fingers.
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
I had to shut down the Casey Cam. Just could no longer stand to look at the odd tilt of her head.
I cant look at her any long either!
Same face every day (EXPRESSIONLESS).
What a waste of taxpayer time and money!
carole
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
I cant for the life of me understand why they are not taking a plea!!!
There isn't a plea offered.
Blue Ridge
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
Did anyone verify when the new changes to the Dr. Vass wiki page were made?
According to another poster, it was made five minutes till 1pm this afternoon (lunch hour of trial) provided Wiki is using GMT. From an IP addy located an hour or so from Orlando.
Hmmm.
gelfie68
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
JB is barking up the wrong tree..yet again. Dude needs to let it go..seriously hasn't he ever heard of get in and get out.
Wrong tree? I don't even think he found the forest sometimes. I think he may be barking at a potted plant.
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
YNotDiveIn - listening to that was so bad I drifted into some kind of a semi-conscious state.
And when you said "Sidebar!" I reacted as if I was one in the lawyers in the courtroom!
Yes Sir! Er..or Yes Ma'm..Click!..:great:
GiantPickle
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
I just ate a whole bag of gummy bears....in like 5 mins flat. That's not good.
Quiche
06-06-2011, 03:02 PM
The wiki page has been cleaned up, mo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arpad_Vass&action=history
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 03:03 PM
Because a plea is no longer on the table?
I thought they could ask for one?
MissJames
06-06-2011, 03:03 PM
Yes, it was definitely 17:55 Wiki Server time (12:55 EST).
Seriously?
fifteen89
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
OK we need this. Please note, intoxication is not an acceptable excuse for abusing TOS.
http://fastfood.ocregister.com/files/2009/10/booze1.jpg
http://fastfood.ocregister.com/files/2009/10/booze1.jpg
I'll have one of each, thank you.
newsjunkie
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
According to another poster, it was made five minutes till 1pm this afternoon (lunch hour of trial) provided Wiki is using GMT. From an IP addy located an hour or so from Orlando.
Hmmm.
How far is the location from Kissimmee?
carole
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
I thought they could ask for one?
They could ask, but that doesn't mean the prosecution would agree.
Besides, Casey will never admit to guilt.
joypath
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
YIKES! just yikes!.....thankfully not ALL cross examination or even depos go the way THIS one is going! Dr. Vass:great: has the patience of a SAINT!
I think that he's been masterful :rocker: (at least what I've seen so far) in atempting to take some wicked complicated stuff and making it explain just what the "non-professionals"(GA,SB,YM and even Cindy) picked-up from the odor of the car.:rocker:
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
I just ate a whole bag of gummy bears....in like 5 mins flat. That's not good.
Im sitting in a heap of sunflower seed shells lol I never ate so much crapola as i have these past 11 days.
GiantPickle
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
I thought they could ask for one?
I think she can always plead guilty and work something out - how good the deal would be is questionable but there's no active offer to her right now that she could jump on (that I am aware of)
Celt1997
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Wonder if the SAO knows about that.
Don't know, but the word "biochemist" was only up for a short time. Someone at a different IP address took it out almost immediately.
sleutherontheside
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Wonder if anyone did screen caps of the suspect wiki page entries? Those that JB was attributing to Dr. Vass.
Marigold
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
I had to step away for a few minutes. When I came back, The commentators on WFTV were saying there was some sort of bombshell? Can someone tell me what I missed please? TIA
Blue Ridge
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Yes, it was definitely 17:55 Wiki Server time (12:55 EST).
Another poster determined it was made from IIRC, a town an hour away from Orlando. My question is, could that be where the IP is 'registered' or something similar, and the actual device that it was done on be in another location?
LittleBitty35
06-06-2011, 03:05 PM
Jay Herbert, Defense Attorney, on HLN just said: "You (meaning JB) don't want to match wits with this guy (Dr. Vass) on forensics...you will get beat everytime." (Even though in quotes, LittleBitty is paraphrasing)
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 03:05 PM
Where is dr Vass from?
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 03:05 PM
I just ate a whole bag of gummy bears....in like 5 mins flat. That's not good.
I am shoving down a small bowl of high protein yogurt - it is the only thing I know of that will stop this craving for a large drink...
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 03:05 PM
I was so zonked, I yelled "Sidebar" (meaning thread) instead of "RECESS!" (meaning Go to the Sidebar Thread)....
O.M.G. That's all I gots.
The Wikipedia thing IMO is somebody thinking they are smart and updating that page. Don't think the DT would be quite so foolhardy. I hope.
Mamabear1963
06-06-2011, 03:05 PM
I just want to thank you all...if I had to watch this by myself...I would go absolutely nuts!!!
and the above comments just make me :floorlaugh:
Commonsense....it is simple to understand...well...maybe not for some people...just sayin
thanks again folks...
SevenSeas
06-06-2011, 03:05 PM
Have we ever determined how many tries it took for Baez to pass the FL Bar exam??
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 03:05 PM
I think she can always plead guilty and work something out - how good the deal would be is questionable but there's no active offer to her right now that she could jump on (that I am aware of)
Thanks!!!
shezcrafti
06-06-2011, 03:06 PM
According to another poster, it was made five minutes till 1pm this afternoon (lunch hour of trial) provided Wiki is using GMT. From an IP addy located an hour or so from Orlando.
Hmmm.
:floorlaugh: LOL nice try Defense Team!
susan1122
06-06-2011, 03:06 PM
LOL. It is a good thing I don't drink anymore...because I would be beyond help if I slammed one everytime there was a sidebar. :truce:
Here Here!
Oakley
06-06-2011, 03:06 PM
If I were on the jury, I would be puzzled by the fact that the defense's OS had lots of holes, and I would be highly suspicious, especially after seeing how JB operates, as to why. What other possible reason than to fit the rest of the details in after seeing what else the SA has to present? How sleazy and transparent, IMO.
Don't know, but the word "biochemist" was only up for a short time. Someone at a different IP address took it out almost immediately.
I wonder why JB didn't pursue that. Vass said, "no, I never submitted anything to wikipedia" and "I don't recall ever authorizing anyone to submit anything to wikipedia" -- and that was it. I can't remember - was that objected to, or did he just drop it?
Miss Anarchy
06-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Another poster determined it was made from IIRC, a town an hour away from Orlando. My question is, could that be where the IP is 'registered' or something similar, and the actual device that it was done on be in another location?
The other poster said the IP addy traced back to Deltona, FL which is about an hour north of Orlando.
Im sitting in a heap of sunflower seed shells lol I never ate so much crapola as i have these past 11 days.
If it helps...I've determined that Lays advertising about not being able to eat just one chip is true.....they need to bring that slogan back...however, now they package it to appear healthy....sooooooooooooo
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Have we ever determined how many tries it took for Baez to pass the FL Bar exam??
Well after this id say his Law career is over!
legalmania
06-06-2011, 03:07 PM
Dr. Vass's machine won't sell if it doesn't work. You know there will be a lot of research on this before it goes on the market.
Tipstaff
06-06-2011, 03:07 PM
Have we ever determined how many tries it took for Baez to pass the FL Bar exam??
Are we sure to a complete degree of certainty that he did pass...am I not correct?:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Miss Anarchy
06-06-2011, 03:07 PM
It is so frustrating that JB doesn't understand the basic premises of scientific research.
Dr. Vass is holding up very well to JB's attacks.
MissJames
06-06-2011, 03:07 PM
The wiki page has been cleaned up, mo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arpad_Vass&action=history
I just looked and it stated it was last changed June 6,2011 at 18:41
Kimster
06-06-2011, 03:08 PM
ok what am I missing with the TOS violations? I thought we were behaving?
She was just joking around. :crazy:
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 03:08 PM
So to summarize Dr. Vass' testimony (at least regarding the odor signature of human decomposition):
1). Dr. Vass smelled the distinctive odor of human decomp from the carpet sample taken from the trunk of ICA's car.
2). He analyzed air samples from various locations inside ICA's car, and found that chemicals associated with human decompostion were present in the air samples taken from ICA's car.
3). Dr. Vass concluded, from both of those findings, taken together, that a decomposing body was, at some point in time, in the trunk of ICA's car.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
katydid23
06-06-2011, 03:08 PM
Don't know, but the word "biochemist" was only up for a short time. Someone at a different IP address took it out almost immediately.
You don't suppose that was planned, do ya?
Disguiseduser0308
06-06-2011, 03:08 PM
JB shouldn't have placed any hope in wiki or other media pages. Especially Wiki considering anyone can edit the information.
Frigga
06-06-2011, 03:08 PM
I cannot explain this but every time Baez speaks at the podium I feel nauseous!
Is anyone else here experiencing anything similar? I mean this in all seriousness- not teasing at all.
I can hardly stand it! :(
Another poster determined it was made from IIRC, a town an hour away from Orlando. My question is, could that be where the IP is 'registered' or something similar, and the actual device that it was done on be in another location?
I'm looking at his page now, and in the Revision History section the most recent one I can see is November 2010.
Can someone help me find where you can see the biochemist removal part?
legalmania
06-06-2011, 03:09 PM
Well after this id say his Law career is over!
Didn't it come into question that he didn't have enough experience to be a death penalty attorney?
Celt1997
06-06-2011, 03:09 PM
Here is how the Wiki Edits broke down:
17:55 - Someone added [sic] "bichemist"
17:55 - Same Person corrected spelling to "biochemist"
17:56 - Different IP address removes the word "chemist" and "biochemist"
17:57 - Original person added "biochemist" back to the entry.
17:58 - 2nd IP again removes the word "biochemist" and changes "Forensic Chemsitry" to "Forensic Science"
Interesting exchange.
Vass snickers at Baez's repeated question: "Yes, I am not a chemist." #CaseyAnthony
11 minutes ago via web
Re: that tweet ---
My son is not a "chemist" but he plays one where he's employed; and that is his official job title. lol
Sooo, just because you are not a chemist, in the true sense of the word, doesn't mean you can't perform work that a bonafide chemist would/could do.
Kimster
06-06-2011, 03:09 PM
I'm on my lunch break. Is Baez doing worse than normal today? Is that what you guys are saying? :yow:
Whoa, there was a change to Dr. Vass's wiki page during the lunch hour that has now been erased? Serious? Sneaky, sneaky!
redkatrampant
06-06-2011, 03:10 PM
Please, if I am ever for whatever reason facing the death penalty in FL ( HEY some of those drivers on 192 get a lil bit between me and Disney!!)
Please. Just let me go on my way. If Baez is my only hope that is.
nosytrish
06-06-2011, 03:10 PM
I'm confused, what are pp's referring to when saying it was posted at 17:55.....what is being posted?
Reality Orlando
06-06-2011, 03:10 PM
Another poster determined it was made from IIRC, a town an hour away from Orlando. My question is, could that be where the IP is 'registered' or something similar, and the actual device that it was done on be in another location?
Deltona is really close to me. How can I see where my IP points to?
2goldfish
06-06-2011, 03:10 PM
nice pics of vass etc here
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-pictures,0,2221821.photogallery
:loveyou: dr vass
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 03:10 PM
Yes, GiantPickle. Was just reminding folks that getting tipsy during recess is no excuse for TOS violations in Sidebar or elsewhere. ;)
Um, I just did something to my screen so that everything still shows up as usual, except the font is one size smaller. Can someone please PM me to help me get back to what normally passes for normal? TIA!
I'm looking at his page now, and in the Revision History section the most recent one I can see is November 2010.
Can someone help me find where you can see the biochemist removal part?
Nvm - I was looking at the Discussion history, not the page history. Doh!
BigFatMommyDog
06-06-2011, 03:10 PM
Scheaffer noting that the best way to cross examine expert witness is with your own expert, and then says DT expert witness is no where near the expertise of VAss and if they call him JA will trounce him (paraphrase) also noting that the EXPERT Greek DR was examined by DT and DT didn't list him as witness presumably because he agreed with Vass
rosepetal1065
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
I'm on my lunch break. Is Baez doing worse than normal today? Is that what you guys are saying? :yow:
Without a doubt.. ack
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
I cannot explain this but every time Baez speaks at the podium I feel nauseous!
Is anyone else here experiencing anything similar? I mean this in all seriousness- not teasing at all.
I can hardly stand it! :(
LOL Frigga - there is a reason we are all hanging around talking about large drinks and food.....
Just feeding our various high stress neurosis....
redkatrampant
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
Whoa, there was a change to Dr. Vass's wiki page during the lunch hour that has now been erased? Serious? Sneaky, sneaky!
Yeah, I did not do it, but wiki was that quick when I wanted to correct some info in Paula Deen's page. Info that I knew was true...but still.
suzihawk
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
The wiki page has been cleaned up, mo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arpad_Vass&action=history
Wow. SO many entries/clean-ups today.
Shady, shady, shady...
I REALLY, REALLY hope the news media gets a hold of this! JB is so fond of his media attention.
legalmania
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
I'm on my lunch break. Is Baez doing worse than normal today? Is that what you guys are saying? :yow:
He got out a couple of good points, but other than that he's coming across as overbearing to me.
eaglemom
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
The bombshell the JB didn't know the answer to was why Dr. Vass didn't include the air sample from the trunk in his 'chart' in the report - because no trunk liner was there
It could have been the differences between draft rpt and final rpt (he listed different amts of chemicals found and said that is because some of the same checmicals have different names and he failed to cross duplicate items off the draft rpt)
It could have been the 3 cars in draft rpt and 2 cars in final rpt which Dr. Vass said was also an error which he signed an affadavit regarding - there were 3 samples and 2 cars
MOO
LittleBitty35
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
"I can feel coming in the air tonite"
Phil Collins...
"So you can wipe off that grin...(ICA)...I know where you've been...its all been a pack of lies."
sorrell skye
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
The wiki page has been cleaned up, mo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arpad_Vass&action=history
Totally - when I looked at it earlier today before the lunch break, I saw a reference to biochemistry or something similar, and I went "Huh?!" because I already knew that Dr. Vass is NOT a biochemist.
Now when I look @ the page, it says research scientist and forensic anthropologist.
It appears that someone has been monkeying with the facts.
lib's mom
06-06-2011, 03:11 PM
Wonder if anyone did screen caps of the suspect wiki page entries? Those that JB was attributing to Dr. Vass.
I just went over there and clicked "edit" and then "read" (I think that's what I did.) All the changes were laid out nice and easy to read.
whiteangora
06-06-2011, 03:12 PM
Whoa, there was a change to Dr. Vass's wiki page during the lunch hour that has now been erased? Serious? Sneaky, sneaky!
Wouldn't you love to have some forensic testing done on all laptops and phones in the courtroom today?
redkatrampant
06-06-2011, 03:12 PM
Yes, GiantPickle. Was just reminding folks that getting tipsy during recess is no excuse for TOS violations in Sidebar or elsewhere. ;)
Um, I just did something to my screen so that everything still shows up as usual, except the font is one size smaller. Can someone please PM me to help me get back to what normally passes for normal? TIA!
space bar and plus
fifteen89
06-06-2011, 03:12 PM
I was so zonked, I yelled "Sidebar" (meaning thread) instead of "RECESS!" (meaning Go to the Sidebar Thread)....
O.M.G. That's all I gots.
The Wikipedia thing IMO is somebody thinking they are smart and updating that page. Don't think the DT would be quite so foolhardy. I hope.
I think the DT's words and actions in court might argue the other way.
ziggy
06-06-2011, 03:12 PM
I had to step away for a few minutes. When I came back, The commentators on WFTV were saying there was some sort of bombshell? Can someone tell me what I missed please? TIA
Yep me too - anyone? They said nobody had ever asked Dr. Vass that in any deposition and that Jose should not have asked a question he didn't know the answer to and that it was a bombshell...anyone catch Belich talking about that?
mombomb
06-06-2011, 03:12 PM
Recess over, jury coming back.
MissJames
06-06-2011, 03:12 PM
Another poster determined it was made from IIRC, a town an hour away from Orlando. My question is, could that be where the IP is 'registered' or something similar, and the actual device that it was done on be in another location?
Whoever made that change did not consider WebSLEUTHS , IMO
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 03:12 PM
Didn't it come into question that he didn't have enough experience to be a death penalty attorney?
Yes it did so whyyyyyyyyyyyy did he continue?
As we can all see he is way out of his league?
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 03:12 PM
BACK TO COURT (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138972&page=13)
frrlk
06-06-2011, 03:13 PM
From those of us at work today to those of you posting: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
nursebeeme
06-06-2011, 04:37 PM
bumping up...
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 04:42 PM
One for us, and one for the wonderful Dr. Arpad Vass!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
Anakerie
06-06-2011, 04:43 PM
Bringing my question over from the trial thread:
Ok, what can Dr Vass contribute to the defense CIC? Anyone have a clue?
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 04:43 PM
http://i52.tinypic.com/243jl3d.jpg
Zinvestigator
06-06-2011, 04:44 PM
Where is dr Vass from?
His parents are Hungarian immigrants. Gives you faith and belief in the American Dream!!!! Go Dr. Vass!
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 04:44 PM
One for us, and one for the wonderful Dr. Arpad Vass!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
Mrs. Arpad must be so proud!
tehcloser
06-06-2011, 04:44 PM
ICA told JB "good job" before she left..........*thud.
RR0004
06-06-2011, 04:44 PM
Dr. Vass was amazing! I'm so in awe of his work. I betcha he can't wait to get back to the Farm.
Chili Fries
06-06-2011, 04:44 PM
Do you feel the same way about scientists who believe in a Being who listens to their prayers, answers them, and will some day be together in a place called Heaven?
I'm just curious, because I don't think a scientist's personal beliefs should matter. Divining rod or God, both are unfalsifiable.
It's the science being testified to that matters, IMO.
It's not really the same thing. Here we are talking about the relatively unverified methods Vass is testifying about and I think that can be seen to parallel his belief in diving to at least some extent. I thought Baez did a good job in his final cross trying to point out Vass overextending himself in his opinions and that type of thing might be buttressed by his affection for divining.
Nali87
06-06-2011, 04:45 PM
God I dislike that man. How would you all rate the state and defense performance today? Are you more inclined to believe that there was a body in the trunk of the car?
Linda7NJ
06-06-2011, 04:45 PM
OMG OMG!!! Was Dr. Vass AMAZING or what? Jose now knows exactly what it feels like to be chewed up, spit out and left in the dust! WHOOO HOOOO!:woohoo:
bobkealing tweeted:
#caseyanthonytrial Sounds like defense backing off and will call Vass in their case in chief. He gets to go back--to the Body Farm.
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:45 PM
AV did AMAZING! I'm so glad he can have a break now. lol
Quiche
06-06-2011, 04:46 PM
That was a long day! I hope the jurors will reconnect with the power of his testimony... Baez was so convoluted.
Lookylou
06-06-2011, 04:46 PM
ICA told JB "good job" before she left..........*thud.
She acts all giddy and like its party time after the jury leaves.
Linda7NJ
06-06-2011, 04:46 PM
God I dislike that man. How would you all rate the state and defense performance today? Are you more inclined to believe that there was a body in the trunk of the car?
OF COURSE there was a dead body in the car!
missm
06-06-2011, 04:46 PM
I don't know what was the best moment from today!
1. Baez unable to spell iron or magnesium
2. Bringing up the use of recreational drugs & tying them to the inmate
3. Baez unable to pronounce the names of basic scientific instruments or Greek people
4. The thought of eating multiple pounds of raw hamburger meat in a trunk with a plastic bag on one's head
5. Vass being able to talk about "the stain" on multiple occassions in front of the jury (What you talkin' bout, Willis?)
6. Baez objecting to his own question.
Ah, Baez. He really is the gift that keeps on giving. Anybody need a new bikini?
BigFatMommyDog
06-06-2011, 04:46 PM
ICA told JB "good job" before she left..........*thud.
Gosh, I am so glad to know that! You know, JB must feel very reassured that his expert client approves. They make a great team!
Broderick
06-06-2011, 04:46 PM
She acts all giddy and like its party time after the jury leaves.
I think she is in love with Baez. Jmo.
ICA told JB "good job" before she left..........*thud.
Yes. Unfortunately, she doesn't know what a good job is.
And Isn't it nice that poor Ms. Anthony can be cheerful and flirty after hearing about her baby's decomposing body all day?
.
Curious Me
06-06-2011, 04:46 PM
Dr. Vass is a big hero. JB is a big bully. Of course, this is only my opinion.
Awesome day for the State! Dr. Vass added some very important testimony to this case.
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:47 PM
God I dislike that man. How would you all rate the state and defense performance today? Are you more inclined to believe that there was a body in the trunk of the car?
Which man?
Aedrys
06-06-2011, 04:47 PM
I want to buy Dr. Vass a steak dinner at the best steakhouse in town! He so deserves it!!!! Too bad I don't live in Florida, lol.
Apparently Baez and Co likes pulling that subpoena carp with all the witness who he really has a vendetta against. I.E. Amy H, Dr. Vass and probably will with Kronk also.
He's a pathetic man. IMO
Nali87
06-06-2011, 04:48 PM
I don't know what was the best moment from today!
1. Baez unable to spell iron or magnesium
2. Bringing up the use of recreational drugs & tying them to the inmate
3. Baez unable to pronounce the names of basic scientific instruments or Greek people
4. The thought of eating multiple pounds of raw hamburger meat in a trunk with a plastic bag on one's head
5. Vass being able to talk about "the stain" on multiple occassions in front of the jury (What you talkin' bout, Willis?)
6. Baez objecting to his own question.
Ah, Baez. He really is the gift that keeps on giving. Anybody need a new bikini?
Getting overruled on everything.
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:48 PM
I don't know what was the best moment from today!
1. Baez unable to spell iron or magnesium
2. Bringing up the use of recreational drugs & tying them to the inmate
3. Baez unable to pronounce the names of basic scientific instruments or Greek people
4. The thought of eating multiple pounds of raw hamburger meat in a trunk with a plastic bag on one's head
5. Vass being able to talk about "the stain" on multiple occassions in front of the jury (What you talkin' bout, Willis?)
6. Baez objecting to his own question.
Ah, Baez. He really is the gift that keeps on giving. Anybody need a new bikini?
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
adnoid
06-06-2011, 04:48 PM
One for us, and one for the wonderful Dr. Arpad Vass!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
Is that some sort of chemistry experiment?
Nali87
06-06-2011, 04:48 PM
I want to buy Dr. Vass a steak dinner at the best steakhouse in town! He so deserves it!!!! Too bad I don't live in Florida, lol.
I have a feeling he's vegetarian..
2goldfish
06-06-2011, 04:48 PM
dr vass is amazing. the way he handled JB's alarmingly <modsnipped> questioning just amazed me. absolutely loooooove dr vass :heartluv:
tragco
06-06-2011, 04:49 PM
Dr. Vass did twice as well as he did in the Frye hearing and SA won that. He explained everything simply and clearly. He had to have a huge impact on the jury.
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 04:49 PM
Oh geez, I started keeping track and lost count how many times JB was overruled... anyone?
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 04:49 PM
It's not really the same thing. Here we are talking about the relatively unverified methods Vass is testifying about and I think that can be seen to parallel his belief in diving to at least some extent. I thought Baez did a good job in his final cross trying to point out Vass overextending himself in his opinions and that type of thing might be buttressed by his affection for divining.
Do you believe that a rotting potato would give off chemicals, and that those chemicals would be found in the air surrounding the rotting potato?
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:49 PM
Dr. Vass put Baez in his place over and over again. Just like JA always slapping JB down, no no, bad puppy, BAD! JB whimpers off to the corner to lick his wounds once again.
The Eunice Burns
06-06-2011, 04:50 PM
I don't know what was the best moment from today!
1. Baez unable to spell iron or magnesium
2. Bringing up the use of recreational drugs & tying them to the inmate
3. Baez unable to pronounce the names of basic scientific instruments or Greek people
4. The thought of eating multiple pounds of raw hamburger meat in a trunk with a plastic bag on one's head
5. Vass being able to talk about "the stain" on multiple occassions in front of the jury (What you talkin' bout, Willis?)
6. Baez objecting to his own question.
Ah, Baez. He really is the gift that keeps on giving. Anybody need a new bikini?
:lol:
BigFatMommyDog
06-06-2011, 04:50 PM
Is that some sort of chemistry experiment?
How would you know? You're not a chemist, are you?
ShadowGal
06-06-2011, 04:50 PM
I don't know what was the best moment from today!
1. Baez unable to spell iron or magnesium
2. Bringing up the use of recreational drugs & tying them to the inmate
3. Baez unable to pronounce the names of basic scientific instruments or Greek people
4. The thought of eating multiple pounds of raw hamburger meat in a trunk with a plastic bag on one's head
5. Vass being able to talk about "the stain" on multiple occassions in front of the jury (What you talkin' bout, Willis?)
6. Baez objecting to his own question.
Ah, Baez. He really is the gift that keeps on giving. Anybody need a new bikini?
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
I LOLed so hard...thanks wasnt enough. Sometimes there just are NO words for JAB!!!!
Linda7NJ
06-06-2011, 04:50 PM
Oh geez, I started keeping track and lost count how many times JB was overruled... anyone?
Too darn many? That would be my guess!
RR0004
06-06-2011, 04:50 PM
It's not really the same thing. Here we are talking about the relatively unverified methods Vass is testifying about and I think that can be seen to parallel his belief in diving to at least some extent. I thought Baez did a good job in his final cross trying to point out Vass overextending himself in his opinions and that type of thing might be buttressed by his affection for divining.
Everything was new at some point. I think he's a very courageous man. He's basically going where no one else has gone before...and with such passion and dedication. Scientists can be so emotionless when it comes to their work...but this man sees the good it brings to the world and you can feel it.
lonetraveler
06-06-2011, 04:50 PM
OF COURSE there was a dead body in the car!
Wow, I nodded off and got left behind...........I can't help but think that there was also cloroform left over from other times that she "put" Caylee asleep. I certainly don't think that this was the first and last time that she used cloroform.
Nali87
06-06-2011, 04:51 PM
Which man?
Jose Baez!
I've seen witching for water, and IIRC, metal clothes hangers were used. Not just any clothes hangers will work, and not everyone has the necessary skill to use the right ones.
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:51 PM
How would you know? You're not a chemist, are you?
Have you been with that liquid since the day it was concocted in the factory? Then you don't TRULY know what it is, correct?
Eileen730
06-06-2011, 04:51 PM
His parents are Hungarian immigrants. Gives you faith and belief in the American Dream!!!! Go Dr. Vass!
Yes it does and thanks for the info!
What a smart and very charismatic man!
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:51 PM
Jose Baez!
:floorlaugh: Just checking!
mck16
06-06-2011, 04:51 PM
I think she is in love with Baez. Jmo.
I think she may be something else. jmo
reeseeva
06-06-2011, 04:52 PM
dr vass is amazing. the way he handled JB's alarmingly <modsnip> questioning just amazed me. absolutely loooooove dr vass :heartluv:
Absolutely, there is nothing more attractive than supreme intelligence. I'll take it any day over physical beauty...
Turnadot
06-06-2011, 04:52 PM
Objectively speaking, there were points Baez should have pressed Dr Vass on, but he didn't, which hurt Baez badly, which hurts his client far more. If he really cared about a vigorous defense, he would have passed Dr Vass to Sims. At least she has practical experience, IMO. I have the utmost respect for Dr Vass and his work, but a better lawyer could have done damage control and given Dr Vass' testimony a problem, so to speak.
I'm glad Baez's cross was a fail; he made very little headway and no real dents in JA's direct exam, but I can't help but think Baez's failure is mostly due to his inexperience.
I wonder what the jury must be thinking after Baez's cross.
grandmaj
06-06-2011, 04:52 PM
Is that some sort of chemistry experiment?
Nope we aren't chemists were are mixologists! :silly:
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 04:52 PM
Let us dispute with the post, and not the poster, please.
TOS still rules in the Sidebar.
kathyn2
06-06-2011, 04:52 PM
Ok, I just got home and missed the last few hours of testimony. Did baez make headway? Also, why did court end so early? I was hoping to catch the last few minutes. bummer. That place wastes so much time!!!
sorrell skye
06-06-2011, 04:53 PM
Anybody craving a raw meat patty or bong hit?
smart blonde
06-06-2011, 04:53 PM
ICA told JB "good job" before she left..........*thud.
Oh, good!
I want it to be a complete surprise to her when she is found GUILTY of all charges!
PassTheMotrin
06-06-2011, 04:53 PM
One for us, and one for the wonderful Dr. Arpad Vass!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
Thank you! I'm sure Dr. Vass could really use one after the fabulous job he did today!
Themis
06-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Wow! Am I correct in understanding that the chloroform was a million times higher than normal.
Parts per trillion vs the normal of parts per million. So that would be a million TIMES one million to get to a trillion?!? I think my math is right, but that is clearly shocking.
missm
06-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Well now I know why I love Dr Vass so much!
He's a fellow Hungarian, just like me!
darnudes
06-06-2011, 04:54 PM
I was killing myself laughing when at the end Baez was trying to make Mason stand up and argue the subpoena - Mason wasn't having a bar of it and was pushing him away with his elbow going "no you do it" Baez keep going "gnat gnat gnat" and eventually Mason started clicking on his computer. LOL omg Baez doesn't even want to argue his own stuff anymore!
sumbunny
06-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Clearly Baez is using the "take out burger and fries defense" with his questioning of Dr Vass.
LyndyLoo
06-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Iactually am not surprised that there wasnt alot of fluorine element in Caylee's decomp fluid (:sick:)..she was less than 3 years old...yikes We are in general a toxic garbage bag of all the ca&&olla we shove into ourselves over the years..so NOT surprised Caylee didnt have such an accumlation..JMOO of course..Most certainly nothing that should compromise the results found in the findings:twocents:
pswmommy
06-06-2011, 04:54 PM
I don't know what was the best moment from today!
1. Baez unable to spell iron or magnesium
2. Bringing up the use of recreational drugs & tying them to the inmate
3. Baez unable to pronounce the names of basic scientific instruments or Greek people
4. The thought of eating multiple pounds of raw hamburger meat in a trunk with a plastic bag on one's head
5. Vass being able to talk about "the stain" on multiple occassions in front of the jury (What you talkin' bout, Willis?)
6. Baez objecting to his own question.
Ah, Baez. He really is the gift that keeps on giving. Anybody need a new bikini?
BBM This! IMO
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Anybody craving a raw meat patty or bong hit?
Someone hand me a plastic bag. Things are about to get wild.
suzihawk
06-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Absolutely, there is nothing more attractive than supreme intelligence. I'll take it any day over physical beauty...
Dr. Vass seems to be blessed with both - PLUS a sense of humor. He's the entire package.
:blowkiss:
cloud9
06-06-2011, 04:55 PM
How would you know? You're not a chemist, are you?
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Themis
06-06-2011, 04:55 PM
I heard that -- JB objecting to his own question. Oh my!
Broderick
06-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Someone hand me a plastic bag. Things are about to get wild.
snicker.
sorrell skye
06-06-2011, 04:55 PM
One for us, and one for the wonderful Dr. Arpad Vass!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
I'll take mine neat.
Oh - and did I mention I have a crush on Dr. Vass? In fact, I want to have his babies.
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Objectively speaking, there were points Baez should have pressed Dr Vass on, but he didn't, which hurt Baez badly, which hurts his client far more. If he really cared about a vigorous defense, he would have passed Dr Vass to Sims. At least she has practical experience, IMO. I have the utmost respect for Dr Vass and his work, but a better lawyer could have done damage control and given Dr Vass' testimony a problem, so to speak.
I'm glad Baez's cross was a fail; he made very little headway and no real dents in JA's direct exam, but I can't help but think Baez's failure is mostly due to his inexperience.
I wonder what the jury must be thinking after Baez's cross.
If Baez were smart, he wouldn't have gone after Vass, but instead driven home the point that Dr. Vass didn't collect these air samples personally, and thus can not testify as to whether nor not these air samples were contaminated or not.
joint-heir
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
Gosh, I never knew it took such a vast amount of knowledge to be a lawyer. I had often thought I had wanted to go in that direction. You have to be alert in so many areas! And a defense lawyer as everyone on tv is saying "doing their job", encroaches involving so many low brow tactics. How can an honest person ever be a defense lawyer?
LyndyLoo
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
Clearly Baez is using the "take out burger and fries defense" with his questioning of Dr Vass.
:floorlaugh:Hummm is that related to the "Twinkie Defense"???:floorlaugh:
RR0004
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
The man is obviously brilliant yet has no airs about him. He can't connect with Baez's insults...he's so far removed from that kind of talk.
Nali87
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
Sigh. All kidding aside; I wish I could read the jury's mind.. I don't want this girl to walk, I really don't.
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
Well now I know why I love Dr Vass so much!
He's a fellow Hungarian, just like me!
Utterly brilliant and adorable.
I felt like he was in disbelief at JB's lame questions. :loser:
grandmaj
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
I think we could start our own hamburger stand. Doobie Burgers
wenwe4
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
Someone hand me a plastic bag. Things are about to get wild.
for the raw meat or the bong hit?
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:56 PM
Sigh. All kidding aside; I wish I could read the jury's mind.. I don't want this girl to walk, I really don't.
Even Dr. Drew stated last night on his show that "it's impossible to like this girl." And that's saying a lot!
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:57 PM
for the raw meat or the bong hit?
Depends on my mood I guess but mostly I like to eat my raw meat in a sealed bag. Prevents spills and just makes it taste darn good.
BigFatMommyDog
06-06-2011, 04:57 PM
Dr. Vass seems to be blessed with both - PLUS a sense of humor. He's the entire package.
:blowkiss:
..."A dweam within a dweam"* if you will
(*it's a movie quote)
pookie53
06-06-2011, 04:57 PM
ICA told JB "good job" before she left..........*thud.
Hopefully he knows by now that everything she says is a lie. :crazy:
reeseeva
06-06-2011, 04:57 PM
One common thread, through all of Dr. Vass' testimony, is how many times, he gave more information, than what was asked, all proffering, quietly for Caylee!!
Baznme
06-06-2011, 04:58 PM
Wow, I nodded off and got left behind...........I can't help but think that there was also cloroform left over from other times that she "put" Caylee asleep. I certainly don't think that this was the first and last time that she used cloroform.
During Dr. Vass's testimony, IIRC, he said the chloroform had a high evaporation rate and that the high levels achieved "over time". That said, to me, this was used over and over and over. To add to that, I believe he said at some point over the course of 8 hours of testimony, he referred to it as not only chloroform, but "manufactured chloroform". Anyone else catch it?
Curious Me
06-06-2011, 04:58 PM
ICA has her cold indifference "act" perfected now. Wait, is that a good idea?
Chili Fries
06-06-2011, 04:58 PM
Everything was new at some point. I think he's a very courageous man. He's basically going where no one else has gone before...and with such passion and dedication. Scientists can be so emotionless when it comes to their work...but this man sees the good it brings to the world and you can feel it.
That terrific and for Caylee's sake I hope the jury shares your view. But that's not what scientific testimony in these types of trials should be about. It should be about science that has been thoroughly vetted, shown to be reproducible, and about results that have been generated through highly controlled conditions.
darnudes
06-06-2011, 04:58 PM
Well, I don't anything about courtrooms but I know what's funny and surely that cross will go down in history as one hot mess.
Baez's spelling of IORN? I mean really? You wanna do that in front of a jury?
marleysmom
06-06-2011, 04:58 PM
OK, JB...we don't trust those uneducated folks from Greece...ya know like Aristotle, Plato...no one over there knows what they are talking about!!!
Can't wait to go back and watch the rest of this afternoon's testimony....haven't done it yet, but this guy was too much!
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
I think we could start our own hamburger stand. Doobie Burgers
Grandmaj made me spit my tea! :banghead:
RR0004
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
I heard that -- JB objecting to his own question. Oh my!
Can you explain? TIA
MissJames
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
Has anyone figured out what they would be able to eat for dinner tonight?
I thought I had it nailed down with Jell-o ,but then thinking about the texture....
Any ideas? Shall we just start fasting now?
BigFatMommyDog
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
One common thread, through all of Dr. Vass' testimony, is how many times, he gave more information, than what was asked, all proffering, quietly for Caylee!!
and he managed to demonstrate the DTs lack of capabilities in doing so
sumbunny
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
Thankfully Baez left his banana theory at home.
Pot smoking munchies, 7lb raw bacteria ridden hamburger meat, with rotten potatoes in a plastic bag please! ~groans~
Casey is cooked...although her meat isn't :)
ColdDayIn
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
I am pleasantly surprised at the state's expert witnesses. So far, they have all been very personable, and very easy to follow. I think that it's not luck or coincidence...Lil Caylee is watching over everything!
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
That terrific and for Caylee's sake I hope the jury shares your view. But that's not what scientific testimony in these types of trials should be about. It should be about science that has been thoroughly vetted, shown to be reproducible, and about results that have been generated through highly controlled conditions.
It should bode well then that the jurors are not scientists. Right?
In da Middle
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
I've seen witching for water, and IIRC, metal clothes hangers were used. Not just any clothes hangers will work, and not everyone has the necessary skill to use the right ones.
BBM
We used straight fencing wire (not chain-link though) bent into an "L" shape and we could consistently find buried water lines and sewer lines. Not all in my family could do this though. It seemed that some did not have the proper light touch it required to let the rods "FLOAT" in your hands.
RR0004
06-06-2011, 04:59 PM
I think we could start our own hamburger stand. Doobie Burgers
Grandmaj...you do surprise me!! lol
marspiter
06-06-2011, 05:00 PM
During most of this trial I have just sat there scratching my head thinking wth is the DT doing? Yeah go with the accident theory it's all you have but why attack the forensic evidence in this case? Just go with it you already admitted Caylee was dead on the 16th so why contest the evidence of decomp?
My theory. It's not the decomp that scares the DT. Its the elevated levels of chloroform that Dr. Vass found. Since the DT can't make the chloroform go away they are forced into arguing against all of the evidence Dr. Vass analyzed. It's that double whammy of chloroform and duct tape that is going to be in the jurors minds. Especially when they start deliberating premeditation.
That or the DT has absolutely no idea what to do and is just tossing stuff into a fan and praying.
Curious Me
06-06-2011, 05:00 PM
Wow, I nodded off and got left behind...........I can't help but think that there was also chloroform left over from other times that she "put" Caylee asleep. I certainly don't think that this was the first and last time that she used chloroform.
Well, thanks to JB, jurors really became aware of other drugs in the trunk. He mentioned that THC from marijuana on the paper towel way more than was necessary. Dumb move for the DT.
Intermezzo
06-06-2011, 05:01 PM
I heard that -- JB objecting to his own question. Oh my!
When DH and I heard that we broke out laughing :floorlaugh:....and kept on laughing...:floorlaugh:
JBP "Mr Baez you asked the question" bwah ha ha ha ha ha :great:
I wished we would have seen Jeff Ashton's face at that time..it must have been priceless
whiteangora
06-06-2011, 05:01 PM
Does anyone think Baez scored anything today? If so, what? TIA
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 05:01 PM
Well, I don't anything about courtrooms but I know what's funny and surely that cross will go down in history as one hot mess.
Baez's spelling of IORN? I mean really? You wanna do that in front of a jury?
How did I miss this? When did he spell iron? Outloud?!
sleutherontheside
06-06-2011, 05:01 PM
Defense Team Status Update: DECOMPOSING
Marina2
06-06-2011, 05:02 PM
Anybody craving a raw meat patty or bong hit?
Can I have that with a paper bag please?
I'd love for the jurors to submit a request to Judge Perry for the movie, National Geographic: Secrets of the Body Farm.
Just for kicks and giggles, of course. ;)
(And to see JB's reaction!)
sumbunny
06-06-2011, 05:02 PM
Does anyone think Baez scored anything today? If so, what? TIA
Brownie points from local drug dealers maybe.
Softail
06-06-2011, 05:03 PM
I really think Dr. Vass could have taken JB with one hand tied behind his back. Just sayin' :innocent:
MissDiva
06-06-2011, 05:03 PM
Bringing my question over from the trial thread:
Ok, what can Dr Vass contribute to the defense CIC? Anyone have a clue?
He can probably inform them that he is neither a physicist or a chemist.
BigFatMommyDog
06-06-2011, 05:03 PM
BBM
We used straight fencing wire (not chain-link though) bent into an "L" shape and we could consistently find buried water lines and sewer lines. Not all in my family could do this though. It seemed that some did not have the proper light touch it required to let the rods "FLOAT" in your hands.
I've done this a number of times for the same reasons you state - pipelines too (Helloooo Texas!) - it's quite uncanny
If you want to be really sickened, Google @ABCAshleigh Twitter to read some of Ashleigh Banfield's decidedly pro-defense tweets from the last few days. :maddening:
I guess ABC has to protect their $250,000 defense fund investment. :banghead:
darnudes
06-06-2011, 05:04 PM
How did I miss this? When did he spell iron? Outloud?!
He tried to belittle Dr Vass and make him get up and write on his chalkboard but Mr Ashton put a stop to it. Baez then had to write up magnesium and shortened it to "MAG" because he couldn't spell it then wrote down "IO" then crossed it out and wrote iron - really, it was such a joke!
eaglemom
06-06-2011, 05:04 PM
How did I miss this? When did he spell iron? Outloud?!
NO on his handy dandy large pad of paper... he was listing calcium, MAG, etc out for the jury
BigFatMommyDog
06-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Browniepoints from local drug dealers maybe.
....ahem
ColdDayIn
06-06-2011, 05:05 PM
It is so painful to watch JB's cross examinations...even more painful to see the recaps on HLN...smh...makes me feel like sticking needles in my eyeballs and eardrums...
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Brownie points from local drug dealers maybe.
:eat: Brownies!
In da Middle
06-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Well, I don't anything about courtrooms but I know what's funny and surely that cross will go down in history as one hot mess.
Baez's spelling of IORN? I mean really? You wanna do that in front of a jury?
And now we know who made all the typos during the Frye hearings!
mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Does anyone think Baez scored anything today? If so, what? TIA
If anything, he scored free classes down at the local college for law 101.:floorlaugh: I'm sure some professor out there somewhere felt extremely sorry for him today.
marspiter
06-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Does anyone think Baez scored anything today? If so, what? TIA
IMO It doesn't really matter how many points you score when your opponent out scores you 50 to 1.
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Does anyone think Baez scored anything today? If so, what? TIA
He didn't score anything with me. All I wanted to know on cross was who collected the air sample Dr. Vass analyzed, were they qualified to do so, and what types of conditions might contaminate the air samples.
JB failed to makes any of the answers to those questions clear to me. Touched on a few, barely, went on to pot and munchies, then lost me completely.
RR0004
06-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Sigh. All kidding aside; I wish I could read the jury's mind.. I don't want this girl to walk, I really don't.
I have to say I never was more intent on watching Casey through testimony this afternoon. What's with the stone face (this is a real question)? I heard on a talk show last night something about it being real...meaning as a sexual abuse survivor she's checked out? I don't belive it one bit....but how do you not show some emotion when they're talking about a child that was found wrapped in a blanket in a trunk? If she's not guilty, why wouldn't that make you upset?
MissJames
06-06-2011, 05:06 PM
That terrific and for Caylee's sake I hope the jury shares your view. But that's not what scientific testimony in these types of trials should be about. It should be about science that has been thoroughly vetted, shown to be reproducible, and about results that have been generated through highly controlled conditions.
Why do you think that wasn't expressed to it's best advantage by the defense.They had LKB,when Dr. Vass' findings came out. They have Sims and they certainly have had time to get experts to ,not only rebutt,but to help them form a good cross.
IIRC ,Henry Lee,Michael Baden, brain freeze????? who else,guys? The anthropologist from Canada?
Where is their input?'
It's up to the defense to raise these issues ,in such a way,that it helps their case.
smart blonde
06-06-2011, 05:06 PM
Objectively speaking, there were points Baez should have pressed Dr Vass on, but he didn't, which hurt Baez badly, which hurts his client far more. If he really cared about a vigorous defense, he would have passed Dr Vass to Sims. At least she has practical experience, IMO. I have the utmost respect for Dr Vass and his work, but a better lawyer could have done damage control and given Dr Vass' testimony a problem, so to speak.
I'm glad Baez's cross was a fail; he made very little headway and no real dents in JA's direct exam, but I can't help but think Baez's failure is mostly due to his inexperience.
I wonder what the jury must be thinking after Baez's cross.
I agree, Turnadot, but I think it has even more to do with his overblown EGO, than just his inexperience.
I think Baez was hoping to dazzle the court with his imaginary brilliance.
I also think Baez was very aware that this was ground-breaking testimony, in the way DNA was ground-breaking testimony not too long ago- and Baez wants his name in those legal history books.
LCoastMom
06-06-2011, 05:06 PM
One for us, and one for the wonderful Dr. Arpad Vass!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/370174961_4248f08aff.jpg
Thank you, thank you...
joypath
06-06-2011, 05:06 PM
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: I :innocent: got a HUGE giggle from the "are you a member of (fill in the scientific group) and Arpad Vass, Ph. D. answered twice with zingers! 1. "not at this time" and 2. "background so diverse not sure which one to join". JB made it sound like just 'cause you are NOT paying big $$$ dues to an agency, you CAN'T INTERACT with the group, READ the literature, PUBLISH in the peer reviewed journals, MENTOR others who ARE members and, oh YES, SPEAK at the conventions/meetings/scientific assemblies! I do agree that he couldn't VOTE for the officers of the organizations!
PS: Many employers have cease and desisted paying for memberships &/or licenses of professionals in their employ.:maddening::maddening:
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