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WholeLottaRosie
06-06-2011, 07:35 PM
Anybody craving a raw meat patty or bong hit?

Nope. Totally changed my plans for supper tonight. DH is out of town and I was planning on throwing some burgers on the grill for DD and myself, and making bacon cheeseburgers. Had a hankering since yesterday.

Ended up having salad and vegetarian "macho" nachos and fruit salad. Have a feeling won't be having a burger for some time, unless I go out (doubtful, it is uber hot here) and get a box of Boca Burgers.

azscr4mbl3r
06-06-2011, 07:35 PM
I assume ( common sense ) she bought acetone at HD to make chloroform. Also I tend to think after evaporation there is still the residue. Oh and pool chemicals I think are a red herring household bleach is fine to make chloroform and cheaper.

Harmony2
06-06-2011, 07:35 PM
I think they both considered it as a given. "Chloroform evaporates very quickly when exposed to air. Chloroform also dissolves easily in water, but does not stick to the soil very well. This means that it can travel down through soil to groundwater where it can enter a water supply. Chloroform lasts for a long time in both the air and in groundwater. Most chloroform in the air eventually breaks down, but this process is slow. The breakdown products in air include phosgene, which is more toxic than chloroform, and hydrogen chloride, which is also toxic."
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=51&tid=16

"Long" is according to this site many years for groundwater, doesn't mention how long precisely for air or other surfaces like carpet though.
http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/eh/chemfs/fs/chloroform.htm

Adding this information..

Page 12 http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/le/chloro.pdf


The density of chloroform vapor is over four times greater than that of air; thus, in cases where concentrated gaseous emissions occur, the plume will tend to settle to the ground before dispersing.2 Chloroform decomposes slowly upon exposure to sunlight in the presence or absence of air, and in the dark in the presence of air.

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 07:36 PM
Yes, but isn't it true?..........You are not a chemist?

You got me, I am not a chemist. Therefore, I have never been able to figure out how to bake bread. The gases confuse and frighten me.

TotallyObsessed
06-06-2011, 07:37 PM
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.

ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 07:40 PM
I didn't read all the way through to find the answer.

But I decided that I would do a workout every time he objected and was overruled or a sidebar was caused....the workout was as follows as in...like the first time he was overruled, I did 10 squats. The next I did 10 situps, the next 10 pushups, the next 10 burpees.

By 2:00-2:30 (AND I WOKE UP LATE so started at 9:30) ((and of course missed some cause I couldn't catch my breath or feel my legs)....

I had done about 80 squats, 70 situps, 70 pushups and about 25 burpees (as i broke my ankle in January and burpees with barefeet tweek said ankle((and replaced burpees with Good Morning hamstring workouts))) and about 45 Good Mornings...

i wont be able to walk tomorrow or lift a diet coke.

RBBM--oh Summer! Here, the DT had one of these left over for you for tomorrow's Diet Coke:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6919793/2/istockphoto_6919793-drinking-straw.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6919793/2/istockphoto_6919793-drinking-straw.jpg


(Also, please share what is a "burpee"? Last I checked, that was a seed catalog. Perhaps Ynot should reacquaint herself with a personal trainer, hm?)

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 07:40 PM
LOL! Hubby says that joke doesn't work because I DO make bread. :insert eyeroll: Whatever...still funny.

ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 07:42 PM
WOW, this is unreal - !! Just counted up the sidebars and objections from JUST this morning - JA with Dr. Vass, with JB objecting!

It is 4 sidebars - 2 before the morning break (~10:30am)

27 objections!! only 2 sustained; 11 objections before the morning break ! about 10:30am
after break, with the jury out, 3 objections... :fence:

Niner, you are a champ. :rocker: This one is just for you:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4488004745_ccc3a17414.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4488004745_ccc3a17414.jpg

cloud9
06-06-2011, 07:43 PM
I missed almost the whole day!:maddening:
I just read in Today's News Thread the link stating that the DT is going to call Dr. Vass as THEIR witness? WTH?:waitasec:

Nali87
06-06-2011, 07:44 PM
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.

I don't know. It is a lot of circumstantial evidence but when you connect all the dots there's only explanation really. When you have numerous pieces of circumstantial evidence all pointing in the same directions, carrying them, collectively, to a specific conclusion, they are usually quite reliable. The blanket, the car, the tape, the bag, her behaviour, the phone call, her lies, Dr Vass. And if it was an accident, I think an ex-police officer who knows the basics of law, would come to the conclusion that there's no jail time involved. Now, hiding a body on the other hand, is a crime, is a disgrace. No one attacks a mother for an accident. Therefore there's no reason to dispose of the body. I think George, really, based on his job experience, would've weighted both the options and chosen the reasonable one.

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 07:45 PM
I missed almost the whole day!:maddening:
I just read in Today's News Thread the link stating that the DT is going to call Dr. Vass as THEIR witness? WTH?:waitasec:

Maybe the defense has some divining rod evidence they would like Dr. Vass to give his expert opinion on. ;)

Softail
06-06-2011, 07:45 PM
RBBM--oh Summer! Here, the DT had one of these left over for you for tomorrow's Diet Coke:

(Also, please share what is a "burpee"? Last I checked, that was a seed catalog. Perhaps Ynot should reacquaint herself with a personal trainer, hm?)

respectfully snipped

Burpee:

How to Perform Burpees Exercise Video ‚€“ 5min.com

(I always hated them as a kid :giggle:)

LEFT-COASTER
06-06-2011, 07:46 PM
OK.. I only got to watch bits an pieces.. .. quick guestion tho.. when JB was asking about the pot was the jury in or out of the room? anyone.. please lol

cloud9
06-06-2011, 07:48 PM
Maybe the defense has some divining rod evidence they would like Dr. Vass to give his expert opinion on. ;)

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

hannahsnana
06-06-2011, 07:49 PM
I am listening to JVM ( who I dont like) interviewing Dr.Kobalinksy (KOBO)..and I find his remarks rather superficial..He is a forensic specialist ( Blood/DNA) however since this testimony by Dr.Vass is ground breaking,,He cant help himself but poo poo it...wonder where he stood before DNA got recognized???..LOL..

I have no doubt in the future this man ( Dr. Kobo) will use this as a foundation for HIS findings in the future.....All these Forensic specialist will ALL GAIN from Dr. Vass's research...They are just waiting for it to be found credible by the courts....

BTW Dr. Kobo nor most paid forensic specialist would waste their time on research..they only capitalize on all the HARDWORK performed by researcher's such as Dr. Vass.....I find it rather odd that these TH's would Badmouth this man...especially if they EVER WISH to use his findings in future.. CAN you imagine IF these "Experts" ever wish to use this in the future?? and have their opinions exposed???..Yikes....These experts best mind just what they air for the world to hear, see and able to recall??? NOT good for their future possible defenses IMO..

Example: Can you imagine if Lawyers and Forensic specialist poo poo'd DNA..then tried to sit as an expert witness to suggest "Innocence" of someone based on that particular evidence?...I recall back to Lawyer Scheck..from OJ fame...regarding DNA...but this also goes to FUTURE..
Bottomline..this evidence is groundbreaking...no more no less and best keep your well paid mouth shut IF you ever have to use it in the future..JMOO

Don't know if you're aware, but Dr. Kobo was on Vinnie's show earlier, and Vinnie introduced him as a member (as in present tense, not past) of the defense team. Therefore, I didn't expect him to have anything good to say about Dr. Vass. Same with LKB. Both shills for the defense.

Rallihanna
06-06-2011, 07:50 PM
Yeah cause you know- Casey drove around in a smelly car, looked in her trunk several times, and never noticed that her dad had put her dead daughter in the trunk. Seems feasible to me...

MissJames
06-06-2011, 07:51 PM
There have been a bunch more since I checked it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arpad_Vass&action=history

Note that the times are UTC, it's about 2300 UTC when I'm making this post:

Coordinated Universal Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time)

LOL Had to laugh at clean up at 22:03 . Removing Dissertation,as it's not a reliable resource and doesn't belong here ,and blogs aren't reliable sources ,either (paraphrased) ! :floorlaugh:

Just thought that was amusing since Wikipedia is not known for it's accuracy.

niaa
06-06-2011, 07:52 PM
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.

I've thought this would be their story for a while now. GA had the keys and who knows where the car was all the time.

But remember
1) ICA texted about the smell in the car - so car must have been in her possession while the body was in it. Surely the jury isn't expected to believe that she didn't open the trunk and look to see what was smelling, knowing her daughter had died a few days before !
2) ICA told TL that her car was pushed into AMSCOT so it was in her possession at that time.

I'm really not worried. The worst that might happen is Life Without Parole or a hung jury. She will not walk - IMHO

Turnadot
06-06-2011, 07:53 PM
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.
Yes, the DT can say that, but they've already lost the jury. Baez shouldn't have fought the trunk evidence, then he could say that GA put Caylee in the trunk. If he had slid it into his opening, then it might have worked but he wasn't good enough to see this coming, so he didn't bother with it. In the end, sure, Baez can say, yeah, that's the ticket, GA put Caylee in the trunk. But it will come off as contrived, as if the defense is stuck with it so they weave it into their own narrative after the prosecution has rested.

The DT can make a lot of implicit promises to the jury, but without any evidence, the jury will do what the rest of us have done: ignore Baez's silly claim.

My opinion...

RR0004
06-06-2011, 07:54 PM
I think they both considered it as a given. "Chloroform evaporates very quickly when exposed to air. Chloroform also dissolves easily in water, but does not stick to the soil very well. This means that it can travel down through soil to groundwater where it can enter a water supply. Chloroform lasts for a long time in both the air and in groundwater. Most chloroform in the air eventually breaks down, but this process is slow. The breakdown products in air include phosgene, which is more toxic than chloroform, and hydrogen chloride, which is also toxic."
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=51&tid=16

"Long" is according to this site many years for groundwater, doesn't mention how long precisely for air or other surfaces like carpet though.
http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/eh/chemfs/fs/chloroform.htm

IMA and Harmony give great additional information on page 40 and 41. It seems that chloroform evaporates slower in the dark as well.
Yes, I would assume that the carpet was a continuous source for the odor.

Nali87
06-06-2011, 07:54 PM
Yeah cause you know- Casey drove around in a smelly car, looked in her trunk several times, and never noticed that her dad had put her dead daughter in the trunk. Seems feasible to me...

And why would you try to cover up a drowning? It's not like she wouldn't have been able to prove that Caylee did indeed die in the swimming pool and would've been charged with murder or something like that. I assume an autopsy would've showed that cause of death was indeed drowning.

Blue Ridge
06-06-2011, 07:55 PM
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.

Wouldn't the jurors then be rather baffled as to why JB spent half the day today attempting to discount any evidence of the body being in the trunk? :waitasec:

RR0004
06-06-2011, 07:55 PM
OK.. I only got to watch bits an pieces.. .. quick guestion tho.. when JB was asking about the pot was the jury in or out of the room? anyone.. please lol
in the room

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 07:55 PM
I don't know. It is a lot of circumstantial evidence but when you connect all the dots there's only explanation really. When you have numerous pieces of circumstantial evidence all pointing in the same directions, carrying them, collectively, to a specific conclusion, they are usually quite reliable. The blanket, the car, the tape, the bag, her behaviour, the phone call, her lies, Dr Vass. And if it was an accident, I think an ex-police officer who knows the basics of law, would come to the conclusion that there's no jail time involved. Now, hiding a body on the other hand, is a crime, is a disgrace. No one attacks a mother for an accident. Therefore there's no reason to dispose of the body. I think George, really, based on his job experience, would've weighted both the options and chosen the reasonable one.

This post, imo, is spot on, Nali.

LyndyLoo
06-06-2011, 07:55 PM
I have been jogging back and forth between KC's plan to "Off" the whole fam damily versus..just giving Caylee too much seditive (Chloroform) which ended in her death and then went into coverup mode...BUT for me it is the Coverup and treatment of Caylee's remains that tell the tale..KC has NO SOUL..let alone feeling..She tortured her parents, she used and took advantage of her "friends"..and NOW she has found an enabler for her to continue to use and abuse the system of justice....I hope KC is found Guilty ( dont personally care if DP is envolked) but KC should never walk on this earth as a "Free Person"..She gave that up when she disgarded her own child..I would have to believe God would take that into considerations when making HIS FINAL JUDGMENT!!..

SO, regardless..KC is DOOMED!!!!

(Bless Dr. Vass..he is an angel!)

Malini2001
06-06-2011, 07:58 PM
Has anyone speculated on why JB uses the giant notepad on the easel so much? And what does he gain by asking the witnesses to step down and write on it?

It just seems awkward to me. And nothing he puts on it seems like it would help jurors focus or anything like that. Is it just to distract? Was there something in a how to be a lawyer book that said to put up written displays to convince jurors or something?

MissJames
06-06-2011, 07:59 PM
Don't know if you're aware, but Dr. Kobo was on Vinnie's show earlier, and Vinnie introduced him as a member (as in present tense, not past) of the defense team. Therefore, I didn't expect him to have anything good to say about Dr. Vass. Same with LKB. Both shills for the defense.

However ,Dr. Kobilinsky had plenty to say on NG at the very beginning of this case, all detrimental to ICA. We got whiplash when he suddenly changed his point of view after being hired by the defense. NG called him on it ,too.

There was a lot of head scratching about why the DT would hire someone who had so many damaging things to say about the evidence,but getting him out of way and onto ICA's team ,worked for them.
CM expressed his belief ICA was GUILTY,before joining the team.
Michael Baden,also. Money talks.
Wonder how much of the money ICA got for Caylee's pictures ended paying for Dr. Kobilinsky's services?

ETA all these high profile experts and that's the best the DT could summon up today?

Sun
06-06-2011, 08:00 PM
Snipped and supersized by me. This is what I am MOST anxious to see. If cameras at Home Depot have ICA on film buying ingredients in May 2008 that constitute chloroform...then the case, for me, and any mystery along with it...is over. Set Match Game. JMO.

I'm not so sure those shopping trips were done by ICA. And, since these weren't played early in court, when the other were, chances are ICA didn't make those purchase. However, the State is required to turn over whatever they have, whether they plan to use it or not.

Tulessa
06-06-2011, 08:00 PM
Asking out of curiosity. Is it possible that when ICA googled chloroform, she found that it was associated with decomposition. Therefore thinking no one would be the wiser if she used it as a murder weapon?:waitasec:

momshrink
06-06-2011, 08:02 PM
I was killing myself laughing when at the end Baez was trying to make Mason stand up and argue the subpoena - Mason wasn't having a bar of it and was pushing him away with his elbow going "no you do it" Baez keep going "gnat gnat gnat" and eventually Mason started clicking on his computer. LOL omg Baez doesn't even want to argue his own stuff anymore!

I missed most of today and am trying to catch up. Is the DT falling apart? How are DS and CM interacting with JB? And how is ICA interacting with all of them?

allycat1208
06-06-2011, 08:02 PM
Why was Dr. Vaas asked about something regarding marijuana in the car? There was never any marijuana found in the car? Was there?

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 08:03 PM
Yeah cause you know- Casey drove around in a smelly car, looked in her trunk several times, and never noticed that her dad had put her dead daughter in the trunk. Seems feasible to me...

Obviously, she was fooled by the imaginary squirrel carcasses. Could happen to anyone.

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 08:04 PM
Why was Dr. Vaas asked about something regarding marijuana in the car? There was never any marijuana found in the car? Was there?

Bong water on the papertowels in the trash.

Although, I haven't the vaguest idea what THAT might have to do with the horrible stench in the car. Nor do I understand how someone perhaps having "the munchies" might relate to all this.

Apparently, I am not as bright as JB.

LyndyLoo
06-06-2011, 08:08 PM
Asking out of curiosity. Is it possible that when ICA googled chloroform, she found that it was associated with decomposition. Therefore thinking no one would be the wiser if she used it as a murder weapon?:waitasec:


I missed most of today and am trying to catch up. Is the DT falling apart? How are DS and CM interacting with JB? And how is ICA interacting with all of them?

Hummm What can I say??..I do know that CM has been at the Sidebars,,,but have no impressions either way,,,even KC appears to be FLAT..and just doesnt seem to "Give a Care: either way... CAN you imagine hearing this regarding your decomposing daughter????..Yikes..Flat affect isnt the right impression you want to give the jury at this point of tesimony IMO..They have to be watching KC...Yikes:banghead:

MissJames
06-06-2011, 08:08 PM
YIKESERS..... My DD just brought up to me that the TH defense attorneys have been saying that the reason JB didn't finish his fairy tale in court as to what GA did with the body....is because if they (the DT) can't disprove the trunk evidence....then in the end, they can say, well, ok YES there was a dead body in the car, and GA put it there.

This has me very, very worried.

JVM said the same thing the day of opening statements.She said it was backup .Problem is,the jury has had to endure hours of JB fighting the trunk evidence.
He really can't have it both ways,IMO.
The jurors are told to use common sense.

At worst there will be a mistrial and a do over.I'm not worried.Twelve people will not aquit .

ColdDayIn
06-06-2011, 08:08 PM
Bong water on the papertowels in the trash.

Although, I haven't the vaguest idea what THAT might have to do with the horrible stench in the car. Nor do I understand how someone perhaps having "the munchies" might relate to all this.

Apparently, I am not as bright as JB.

I believe he was trying to connect the bong water and the "meat" together...saying she had the munchies and ate 10 lbs of raw hamburger to quench her cravings...and i suppose she had the plastic bag over her head to keep the pot smoke inside? :rocker:

allycat1208
06-06-2011, 08:09 PM
Did JB score any points today? I couldn't listen well today.

ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 08:10 PM
There were actual cannabinols found on the paper towels in Tony's trash that was in ICA's trunk. In my highly unscientific opinion, this is because said paper towels were used to wipe out the inside of the bowl on a pipe, or to wipe off a "poker" used to clean the inside of such a bowl. Typically, bong water goes down the sink/toilet, but even with a bong there is a bowl that holds the substance, and said bowl gets tarry/clogged. Paper towel used to wipe this residue off makes most sense as the source of the THC found on the paper towels found in the trash found trunk. If that makes sense? :waitasec:

Lovejac
06-06-2011, 08:10 PM
Anybody craving a raw meat patty or bong hit?

Haha! I'm just now listening to todays testimony.

But, I did have a yummy Bubba Burger about an hour ago! :rocker:

Miaa
06-06-2011, 08:12 PM
Asking out of curiosity. Is it possible that when ICA googled chloroform, she found that it was associated with decomposition. Therefore thinking no one would be the wiser if she used it as a murder weapon?:waitasec:

That's good a guess as any.
Personally I think ICA used chloroform to knock Caylee out on more than one occasion.

LEFT-COASTER
06-06-2011, 08:12 PM
Bong water on the papertowels in the trash.

Although, I haven't the vaguest idea what THAT might have to do with the horrible stench in the car. Nor do I understand how someone perhaps having "the munchies" might relate to all this.

Apparently, I am not as bright as JB.

Yes i must not be as bright as JB either.. Because I didnt realize that telling the jury that your client has Pot residue in her trunk is helpful in the least lol.

ColdDayIn
06-06-2011, 08:13 PM
There were actual cannabinols found on the paper towels in Tony's trash that was in ICA's trunk. In my highly unscientific opinion, this is because said paper towels were used to wipe out the inside of the bowl on a pipe, or to wipe off a "poker" used to clean the inside of such a bowl. Typically, bong water goes down the sink/toilet, but even with a bong there is a bowl that holds the substance, and said bowl gets tarry/clogged. Paper towel used to wipe this residue off makes most sense as the source of the THC found on the paper towels found in the trash found trunk. If that makes sense? :waitasec:

Would that residue be visible though?

Phoebeb
06-06-2011, 08:13 PM
Bong water on the papertowels in the trash.

Although, I haven't the vaguest idea what THAT might have to do with the horrible stench in the car. Nor do I understand how someone perhaps having "the munchies" might relate to all this.

Apparently, I am not as bright as JB.

IIRC, bong water does stink to high heaven! It smells nothing like rotten potatoes, though IMO.:rocker:

Cross Creek
06-06-2011, 08:14 PM
I believe he was trying to connect the bong water and the "meat" together...saying she had the munchies and ate 10 lbs of raw hamburger to quench her cravings...and i suppose she had the plastic bag over her head to keep the pot smoke inside? :rocker:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

MissJames
06-06-2011, 08:15 PM
Has anyone speculated on why JB uses the giant notepad on the easel so much? And what does he gain by asking the witnesses to step down and write on it?

It just seems awkward to me. And nothing he puts on it seems like it would help jurors focus or anything like that. Is it just to distract? Was there something in a how to be a lawyer book that said to put up written displays to convince jurors or something?

I'm sure it was a trick :maddening: and JB was up to no good,but it backfired ,bigtime when he had to write the BIG words,himself.:maddening:

IDK,maybe it's a technique to bring the expert down to his level . If they have monitors and the expert can circle items in pictures on them,why not just write on them?

LyndyLoo
06-06-2011, 08:15 PM
Did JB score any points today? I couldn't listen well today.

In short response...NOOOOO

In longer response..He did more to enhance the resusts of Dr. Vass than to discredit them..IN FACT he actually made funnies trying to equate some of his suppositions aka..hamburger..:floorlaugh:

ColdDayIn
06-06-2011, 08:15 PM
Did JB score any points today? I couldn't listen well today.

Ohhhh JB scored a lot of points today....but not for his team!

Rallihanna
06-06-2011, 08:17 PM
Who do we think is on tap for tomorrow?

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 08:17 PM
I'm not so sure those shopping trips were done by ICA. And, since these weren't played early in court, when the other were, chances are ICA didn't make those purchase. However, the State is required to turn over whatever they have, whether they plan to use it or not.

I disagree.
If someone other than Casey was on these videos, they would have been released through discovery many, many moons ago, the same as the rest of them.
These were held back for a reason, whatever reason they were, the defense obviously agreed not to release them to the public.

Nali87
06-06-2011, 08:18 PM
Asking out of curiosity. Is it possible that when ICA googled chloroform, she found that it was associated with decomposition. Therefore thinking no one would be the wiser if she used it as a murder weapon?:waitasec:

It's not something a lot of people know about.. I don't think she's that smart. Plus when you google chloroform, "decomposition" doesn't show up as a related search or anything like that. I really don't think she's that smart. I mean, otherwise she would've never claimed to still work at Universal, right?

WAIT. Hold up - let me check out a couple of episodes for One Tree Hill and Gossip Girl first. :crazy:

ColdDayIn
06-06-2011, 08:18 PM
Who do we think is on tap for tomorrow?

I hope its a computer analyst that tells about the chloroform searches!!!:great:

aspiring drifter
06-06-2011, 08:18 PM
...yet again, may have been mentioned but i think they brought up the pot was because they remembered from the tape when casey says "...yeah, his roommates smoke weed!" i guess they forgot. i think they just want to make everyone look bad and questionable. and the easel? well, cause baez couldnt spell magnesium. no spell check on easel.

MissJames
06-06-2011, 08:19 PM
Yes i must not be as bright as JB either.. Because I didnt realize that telling the jury that your client has Pot residue in her trunk is helpful in the least lol.

IDK if it will come in,but TL and his friends already admitted to smoking pot. The trash came from TL's apt. I think ICA found a used paper towel in the bag and tried to wipe out her car with it.

I really don't understand why she doesn't gag during testimony.

LancelotLink
06-06-2011, 08:19 PM
Looks like I'm going to be on Pocket Square Watch. One day he has one, the next day, he doesn't...

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 08:19 PM
I believe he was trying to connect the bong water and the "meat" together...saying she had the munchies and ate 10 lbs of raw hamburger to quench her cravings...and i suppose she had the plastic bag over her head to keep the pot smoke inside? :rocker:

Of course! :doh:

And she did this in the trunk of her car because the ganja made her all paranoid like.

grandmaj
06-06-2011, 08:20 PM
Has anyone speculated on why JB uses the giant notepad on the easel so much? And what does he gain by asking the witnesses to step down and write on it?

It just seems awkward to me. And nothing he puts on it seems like it would help jurors focus or anything like that. Is it just to distract? Was there something in a how to be a lawyer book that said to put up written displays to convince jurors or something?

It is showmanship. He thinks if he forces someone to write something that they don't want to, it helps him make his point. That they reach the same conclusion as him. It distracts them from the real questions as well. So they may make a mistake in their answers.

It would have been far more effective if Dr. Vass had been the one to at the direction of Mr. Baez

show 30 elements known in decomp /3 found. It didn't have that same effect with Dr. Vass having time to think about where JB was going.

ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 08:20 PM
Would that residue be visible though?

Yes. Like wiping out the inside of a tobacco pipe with a paper towel. I see what you're getting at though, and now need to go look back at the paper towels in the evidence photo to see if there are blackish smudges thereupon! :innocent:

Tipstaff
06-06-2011, 08:21 PM
Has anyone speculated on why JB uses the giant notepad on the easel so much? And what does he gain by asking the witnesses to step down and write on it?

It just seems awkward to me. And nothing he puts on it seems like it would help jurors focus or anything like that. Is it just to distract? Was there something in a how to be a lawyer book that said to put up written displays to convince jurors or something?

JB spent a couple hundred thousand dollars prior to the trial IIRC. He is just showing all of us where some of the money went.

Lovejac
06-06-2011, 08:21 PM
dr vass is amazing. the way he handled JB's alarmingly <modsnipped> questioning just amazed me. absolutely loooooove dr vass :heartluv:

OMG! I'm glad I'm not the only one! Listening to Dr. Vass was HOT!

gelfie68
06-06-2011, 08:22 PM
There were actual cannabinols found on the paper towels in Tony's trash that was in ICA's trunk. In my highly unscientific opinion, this is because said paper towels were used to wipe out the inside of the bowl on a pipe, or to wipe off a "poker" used to clean the inside of such a bowl. Typically, bong water goes down the sink/toilet, but even with a bong there is a bowl that holds the substance, and said bowl gets tarry/clogged. Paper towel used to wipe this residue off makes most sense as the source of the THC found on the paper towels found in the trash found trunk. If that makes sense? :waitasec:

That opinion is a hell of a lot more comforting than my thought of Caylee being exposed to second hand smoke. In levels enough to be in the adipose.

Nali87
06-06-2011, 08:22 PM
OMG! I'm glad I'm not the only one! Listening to Dr. Vass was HOT!

YES.
Bad boys are so overrated.

Phoebeb
06-06-2011, 08:23 PM
I hope its a computer analyst that tells about the chloroform searches!!!:great:

Wonder if she printed the instructions and the copies were found at Tony's in the papers.

ljczec
06-06-2011, 08:24 PM
I believe he was trying to connect the bong water and the "meat" together...saying she had the munchies and ate 10 lbs of raw hamburger to quench her cravings...and i suppose she had the plastic bag over her head to keep the pot smoke inside? :rocker:

I'm thinking more along the lines of the smell of bong water. From personal experience (shhhh! ;) ) bong water smells TERRIBLE! The resin from marijuana mixed with water makes one of the most putrid smells ever. It is considered a major "party foul" to spill a bong because the smell is so vile and so difficult to remove. If it is spilled on carpet, forget it, it's gonna smell for weeks.

However, I don't think it smells like decomposition at all (at least not animal, I've never smelled human). So I don't exactly see the correlation here.

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 08:24 PM
Yes i must not be as bright as JB either.. Because I didnt realize that telling the jury that your client has Pot residue in her trunk is helpful in the least lol.

It is if you're trying to explain why your client might eat lbs of raw hamburger meat with a bag over her head. :lol:

RR0004
06-06-2011, 08:24 PM
It is showmanship. He thinks if he forces someone to write something that they don't want to it helps him make his point. That they reach the same conclusion as him. It distracts them from the real questions as well. So they may make a mistake in their answers.

It would have been far more effective if Dr. Vass had been the one to at the direction of Mr. Baez

show 30 elements known in decomp /3 found. It didn't have that same effect with Dr. Vass having time to think about where JB was going.
Don't you think it's also to mess with their heads...having witnesses jump through hoops for him? I think it's very demeaning...and IMO it's designed for that very purpose.

Lovejac
06-06-2011, 08:24 PM
Have we exhausted the subject of the wikipedia edits from a florida IP address during the trial lunch hour yet?

:eek: Nuh uh! For real?

WholeLottaRosie
06-06-2011, 08:26 PM
Hi Rosie. What am I missing? ;)
Do you think Baez should have a wiki? tia

Probably nothing, I guess I just thought everyone had one, LOL. Seriously, yes, I guess do as people have them for less. He certainly has had himself out there enough and all.

QueenD
06-06-2011, 08:27 PM
I could see her using the tape for the mouth, but why the nose? That is one of my big problem..why did they find duct tape over Caylee's nose/remains? To me that would mean that who ever put the tape over her nose did it with the intent to make sure the child would stop breathing IMO.

I had first thought she did that to keep the fluids from exiting the body (into to the car maybe)until I learned Friday or Saturday here that the hair that was on the duct did not have the death band, meaning ICA put that duct tape on Caylee while she was still alive.

After that I have decided she is just poor plain evil. And that is the nicest thing I can say.

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 08:29 PM
I had first thought she did that to keep the fluids from exiting the body (into to the car maybe)until I learned Friday or Saturday here that the hair that was on the duct did not have the death band, meaning ICA put that duct tape on Caylee while she was still alive.

After that I have decided she is just poor plain evil. And that is the nicest thing I can say.

I've been thinking about this since QueenD's post.
Maybe it was only her mouth covered, as small as she is, maybe the couple of layers were to just strengthen the tape to keep it firmer on her mouth, yet she struggled when she awoke, trying to move her mouth to the point that the tape covered her nose, and as she was giving out of what breath she had, she could no longer fight the tape away.

Cherry Ames
06-06-2011, 08:29 PM
I will be forever grateful to Dr. Vass as my 13 year old was riveted to his testimony, making notes and is just a fire with a renewed interest in science. We are going to have a fun summer, I am going to be reading here and then off to find some things for her to do.

Check out Steve Spangler online - great science experiments!

ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 08:31 PM
1. "Burpees".... yep. They make ya burp. Well named.

2. Still not sure on bong water residue v. pipe/bowl scrapings to produce the chemical signature on the paper towels. Either way, not in Caylee's tissues IMO. (And only IMO.)

3. Re: JB using pen and pad vs the technology in the courtroom--again IMO this is ONLY because he does not know how to use the technology and did not avail himself of opportunities to learn (CJBP gave both teams the opportunity to go into the courtroom and get used to the equipment). What he is doing with pen, paper, and easel, is exactly what the SA is doing using only the computer screens. This was made abundantly clear when JB approached GA or YM (?) with a blown-up photo of a gas can on a posterboard that was the exact same photo the SA had earlier used on the screens alone.

Tipstaff
06-06-2011, 08:32 PM
Only wished we would have counted JB's objections that were over-ruled by the judge. Easy 15+ . The judge had numerous sidebars and it appeared the Judge explained to JB what questions he could ask and JB went back and asked the same question he was directed NOT to ask.

At one point he objected to his own question. Honestly it was hard to listen to JB on cross.

Can't imagine how the PT felt today and as for Dr. Vass he probably never wants to see JB again JB was such a bully.

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 08:34 PM
I had first thought she did that to keep the fluids from exiting the body (into to the car maybe)until I learned Friday or Saturday here that the hair that was on the duct did not have the death band, meaning ICA put that duct tape on Caylee while she was still alive.

After that I have decided she is just poor plain evil. And that is the nicest thing I can say.

From my understanding, not all corpse hairs have this deathband, though. It is only seen in the hair of corpses, but not always seen in the hair of corpses. At least, that's what I gathered from the testimony.

Lovejac
06-06-2011, 08:34 PM
Babysitting today, can't watch like I want too but I did see her and she aggravates the heck out of me.......she is so anti SA........ :(
Since she wants to talk about the case so much wonder why she left it... she had her chance to shine and walked away from it.......:great:

$$$$$ ran out :crazy:

denjet
06-06-2011, 08:34 PM
Whoa..Just thought I could pop back in to say and remind peeps..that Dr. Vass is no verteran testifying expert..IIRC this is the first time he has ever testified in a courtroom..and his ability to withstand such a convoluting cross just proved the intelligence, expertise of this man (Dr. Vass)..He did this NOT for money..and certainly was NOT a PAID EXPERT..but a True Scientist testifying to his work,results and findings and quite capable to deflecting suggestions of faulty protocols, methodology and most..Findings were NOT "bought and paid for" by anybody..

Dr. Vass is one wonderful, unsullied man who not only loves what he does ( almost childlike when recounting his works :innocent:)..but would never ever compromise it for profit..JMO

Dr. Vass, on behalf of Caylee and all those who wish for justice here..TY TY TY!!..You Rock!!:great:

ITA completely!
Although at times Dr Vaas showed some frustration, for the most part he kept his cool which I was amazed at considering the <modsnip> accusations Baez was throwing his way ....
I loved the way he would answer Jose AGAIN and try to explain his answer in more detail the second time around ... it was subtle, but the sarcasm was there and Dr Vaas seemed determined to get his point across ...

IMO Dr Vaas came across as geniune and extremely knowledgeable ... he took time to enthusiastically explain (did I mention I <3 Dr Vaas?) the facts of his testing and research to the jury in a way they would understand without talking down to them .... awesome job !!
I was very surprised to hear that he didn't have experience testifying in trials ... he did it so well

IMO Jose came across as a <modsnip> for the way he treated Dr Vaas on the stand ... wrong approach, Jose ... I think it really turned the jury off .... JMO

WholeLottaRosie
06-06-2011, 08:37 PM
Check out Steve Spangler online - great science experiments!

Oh thank you, Cherry Ames!!!!! This is PERFECT!!!!

Tuffy
06-06-2011, 08:38 PM
Wow, the chloroform testimony of Dr. Vass is going to the cause of death. This is big. What does "manufactured chloroform" mean to this case? Did Casey buy/steal already made chloroform? It sounds like it was used more than once. Shocking.

When Dr. Vass says "manufactured chloroform" he is differentiating it from naturally occurring chloroform.


Chloroform can be manufactured, or can occur naturally when a chlorine molecule (C12) reacts with an organic substance such as humic or fulvic acids.

http://oehha.ca.gov/air/toxic_contaminants/html/Chloroform.htm

coopzoo
06-06-2011, 08:40 PM
Yes i must not be as bright as JB either.. Because I didnt realize that telling the jury that your client has Pot residue in her trunk is helpful in the least lol.

Maybe he's giving NG a new 'handle' for the inmate.

"Bombshell tonight in the trial of Pot Mom Casey Anthony...."
:floorlaugh:

LEFT-COASTER
06-06-2011, 08:44 PM
Maybe he's giving NG a new 'handle' for the inmate.

"Bombshell tonight in the trial of Pot Mom Casey Anthony...."
:floorlaugh:

oo god.. that totally made my fall off my chair laughing.. thanks
i needed that lol

Nana46
06-06-2011, 08:47 PM
Starting at about 15:12 is toward the end of today - This portion of JB questioning Dr. Vass, is where JB is really worked up, to the point of objecting to himself (18:04 ish)! :giggle:

http://www.wftv.com/video/28149349/index.html

Thanks for the link. Of course then I had to watch ICA again linger and linger and stack up all the things on the desk, manage the cords, smile, yada yada yada:banghead:
The SA's gathered their stuff neatly and left and all those other 'folks' took forever to gather their stuff up...but of course the guards let her sit and do all this...why don't they take her butt out right away? Geesh.

CarolinaWoman
06-06-2011, 08:48 PM
What happened to Ann Finnell? She was there during jury selection but I haven't noticed her in the courtroom again.

adnoid
06-06-2011, 08:50 PM
Has anyone speculated on why JB uses the giant notepad on the easel so much?

The extra space makes it easier to spell correctly and use proper grammar.

ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 08:51 PM
What happened to Ann Finnell? She was there during jury selection but I haven't noticed her in the courtroom again.

She's a mitigation specialist. IMO we won't see her again until the penalty phase. She was there for juror voir dire to weed out the jurors who could/would not be merciful in sentencing. Jeanine Barrett is there sometimes, also a mitigation specialist. I would imagine that the two of them talk at day's end, so AF is not out of the loop.

Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 08:56 PM
Gives self a time out. :)

Softail
06-06-2011, 08:57 PM
1. "Burpees".... yep. They make ya burp. Well named.

2. Still not sure on bong water residue v. pipe/bowl scrapings to produce the chemical signature on the paper towels. Either way, not in Caylee's tissues IMO. (And only IMO.)

3. Re: JB using pen and pad vs the technology in the courtroom--again IMO this is ONLY because he does not know how to use the technology and did not avail himself of opportunities to learn (CJBP gave both teams the opportunity to go into the courtroom and get used to the equipment). What he is doing with pen, paper, and easel, is exactly what the SA is doing using only the computer screens. This was made abundantly clear when JB approached GA or YM (?) with a blown-up photo of a gas can on a posterboard that was the exact same photo the SA had earlier used on the screens alone.

Have you been conducting your own experiment? :waitasec:


:giggle:

Lovejac
06-06-2011, 09:02 PM
LOL! I am watching the videos posted on wftv.com and OMG! did Jose object to himself??????

Sweet Fox
06-06-2011, 09:03 PM
Here's the link to the revision:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arpad_Vass&diff=432885437&oldid=432885230

adnoid
06-06-2011, 09:03 PM
LOL! I am watching the videos posted on wftv.com and OMG! did Jose object to himself??????

He did. I did not see it, but I'm sure it was glorious.

Lovejac
06-06-2011, 09:04 PM
The extra space makes it easier to spell correctly and use proper grammar.


ummm, when is it suppose to actually serve that purpose for Jose :rolleyes:

Sun
06-06-2011, 09:05 PM
What happened to Ann Finnell? She was there during jury selection but I haven't noticed her in the courtroom again.

I can only speculate, but perhaps she really wants to distance herself from the guilt phase of this trial, or distance herself from Baez, and his antics.

Leila
06-06-2011, 09:06 PM
I hope its a computer analyst that tells about the chloroform searches!!!:great:

Someone interviewed on HLN said that a chloroform expert is on tap for tomorrow along with someone else. It should be interesting!

Amster
06-06-2011, 09:06 PM
Dr. Drew having a mini breakdown over evidence....he obviously has not followed this case til now....

In da Middle
06-06-2011, 09:06 PM
1. "Burpees".... yep. They make ya burp. Well named.

2. Still not sure on bong water residue v. pipe/bowl scrapings to produce the chemical signature on the paper towels. Either way, not in Caylee's tissues IMO. (And only IMO.)

3. Re: JB using pen and pad vs the technology in the courtroom--again IMO this is ONLY because he does not know how to use the technology and did not avail himself of opportunities to learn (CJBP gave both teams the opportunity to go into the courtroom and get used to the equipment). What he is doing with pen, paper, and easel, is exactly what the SA is doing using only the computer screens. This was made abundantly clear when JB approached GA or YM (?) with a blown-up photo of a gas can on a posterboard that was the exact same photo the SA had earlier used on the screens alone.

BBM

they even had the discussion this morning about him not being able to view something because he did not have Word! Ok, I don't have Word either on this computer (not wanting to spend any more $ for something I can do without), but I do have something that I can view almost anything it can view. It was a free download also! Why does a law firm not have that capability? ... well why don't they have a lot of capabilities they don't have??

grandmaj
06-06-2011, 09:10 PM
The K9 handlers were there waiting on Friday afternoon and all day today. I think we will see them tomorrow also.

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 09:11 PM
I can only speculate, but perhaps she really wants to distance herself from the guilt phase of this trial, or distance herself from Baez, and his antics.

I do wonder if she will be there through the end of this trial. She watched Casey turn on and off for the questioning of the juror's even during times when they were asked about making the decision to take her life...even though she would cry or attempt to make it appear that way when in front of the whole jury pool as the indictment was read. I just don't see how she can put on any kind of mitigation to support Casey when her actions are so noticeable.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a notice of withdrawl from this case soon.

Aedrys
06-06-2011, 09:13 PM
I feel like today was one bad acid trip. Seriously. You cannot make this stuff up!!!! I swear, there had to be at least twenty lines that were probably added to the trial catch phrase thread. And each was loonier than the last! I am really tempted to try eating meat with a bag over my head and smoke pot in my trunk just to see if Dr. Vass is right! LOL. Too bad I have no money to go buy lots of meat.

Baez just Does. Not. Get. that doubt has to be REASONABLE! He thinks any doubt will work! Oh well, at least he didn't bring up his banana theory...I would have totally lost it had he done that!

Lovejac
06-06-2011, 09:17 PM
Dr. Drew having a mini breakdown over evidence....he obviously has not followed this case til now....

I just turned it on, am watching now.

denjet
06-06-2011, 09:17 PM
Don't you think it's also to mess with their heads...having witnesses jump through hoops for him? I think it's very demeaning...and IMO it's designed for that very purpose.

Bingo! I totally agree !! IIRC, he had Dr Vaas on his knees listing compounds at the bottom of his asinine big pad display .... it's definitely to demean and throw off the witness in front of the jury
So glad he didn't get to do it this time .... Jose also seems to have ignored Judge Perry's advice to familiarize themselves with the technology in Courtroom 23 ... ignored it completely .... opting for poster board displays complete with logo advertisement on the back so the cameras would catch it ... he probably worked a deal to advertise for the company that made them in exchange for making them for the defense team ... oh and let's not forget the blowup picture of the gas can Jose used in OS ... WTH ? I mean WTH ? Is he ASKING to be made fun of ?

WholeLottaRosie
06-06-2011, 09:19 PM
He did. I did not see it, but I'm sure it was glorious.

Twas. Indeed it was. I laughed so hard I almost wet myself.

And on that happy note, I bid all of my beloved fellow sleuthers a good evening. I am going to go curl up with a good book and take my mind off this till the morrow.

belle3
06-06-2011, 09:20 PM
It is astounding to me how similar the defendant and her counsel are. I believe that Mr. Baez is acting as he believes a lawyer should act. He is in this for himself and has Miss anthony believing that her best interest is at heart. I am seriously concerned that he is not adequate counsel and that miss anthony should be asked just one more time if shes satisfied. Just to make doubley sure.

Capri
06-06-2011, 09:23 PM
LOL! I am watching the videos posted on wftv.com and OMG! did Jose object to himself??????

He certainly did!

ZsaZsa
06-06-2011, 09:23 PM
Dr. Drew having a mini breakdown over evidence....he obviously has not followed this case til now....

I'll turn it on if you'll promise me that LKB is not on his show. I cannot stand that woman.... she has been yapping all day on IS. For someone who couldn't wait to quit the DT she wants to stay in the picture and tell everyone how smart Jb is .:banghead:

Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:25 PM
It is astounding to me how similar the defendant and her counsel are. I believe that Mr. Baez is acting as he believes a lawyer should act. He is in this for himself and has Miss anthony believing that her best interest is at heart. I am seriously concerned that he is not adequate counsel and that miss anthony should be asked just one more time if shes satisfied. Just to make doubley sure.

Someone said she told him "Good Job" today. :waitasec:

adnoid
06-06-2011, 09:25 PM
ummm, when is it suppose to actually serve that purpose for Jose :rolleyes:

Imagine if he did not have it.

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 09:26 PM
Where can I post a funny??? Someone alluded to a thread, but I can't find it.

adnoid
06-06-2011, 09:26 PM
Someone said she told him "Good Job" today. :waitasec:

Something involving "job" I'm sure, but fee arrangements are not part of the official record.

SummerRaye
06-06-2011, 09:27 PM
What a wonderful way to stay in shape through all of this! Wow! I imagine you are sore but it should be well worth it..Heck, maybe I'll join you on Tuesday and loose the (not going to say) weight that I gained since this case started!

So glad I only have doggies so they didn't understand my grumbling curse words as soon as I sat down to get back up again...

I do some CrossFit...and they just recently did a workout called The Murph for a soldier (in honor of the recent holiday)...I am calling this the Caylee...

LEFT-COASTER
06-06-2011, 09:28 PM
Something involving "job" I'm sure, but fee arrangements are not part of the official record.

omg...
sits on my hands... and repeats.. I will behave.. I will behave..

SummerRaye
06-06-2011, 09:29 PM
Good Heavens that's wonderful!! I would have joined you but I didn't realize Finnell was up today....:innocent:

I follow so religiously...

And when I woke up this morning...i was like! Yeah! Justice for Caylee...and then turned on my online medium and was like..."OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...this is gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG day..."

denjet
06-06-2011, 09:29 PM
I feel like today was one bad acid trip. Seriously. You cannot make this stuff up!!!! I swear, there had to be at least twenty lines that were probably added to the trial catch phrase thread. And each was loonier than the last! I am really tempted to try eating meat with a bag over my head and smoke pot in my trunk just to see if Dr. Vass is right! LOL. Too bad I have no money to go buy lots of meat.

Baez just Does. Not. Get. that doubt has to be REASONABLE! He thinks any doubt will work! Oh well, at least he didn't bring up his banana theory...I would have totally lost it had he done that!

:laugh:

Dude, a little advice ... first, smoke the pot, then re-watch the "eating meat in a bag" part of the trial today, make sure you know the correct steps ... repeat the first step and decide whether you still want to do a trunk experiment with raw meat or just raid the kitchen and re-watch the trial for entertainment value ... just a suggestion ... :D

SummerRaye
06-06-2011, 09:33 PM
RBBM--oh Summer! Here, the DT had one of these left over for you for tomorrow's Diet Coke:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6919793/2/istockphoto_6919793-drinking-straw.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6919793/2/istockphoto_6919793-drinking-straw.jpg


(Also, please share what is a "burpee"? Last I checked, that was a seed catalog. Perhaps Ynot should reacquaint herself with a personal trainer, hm?)

This was not lost on me...cause i had to google a good burpee (as The Soldier is super fit? And I am not? And he is gone? And I would like to be semi-fit when he comes home.

Start in a frog squat. Then push your legs out into a pushup/plant position. Then bring your legs back in, then stand up and then jump and then go back into the froggie position. THATS JUST ONE.

I googled it...to figure out what it was cause The Soldier (my awesomesauce husband) does 50 a day... FIFTY. 50.

Americka
06-06-2011, 09:34 PM
Thanks for the link. Of course then I had to watch ICA again linger and linger and stack up all the things on the desk, manage the cords, smile, yada yada yada:banghead:
The SA's gathered their stuff neatly and left and all those other 'folks' took forever to gather their stuff up...but of course the guards let her sit and do all this...why don't they take her butt out right away? Geesh.
BBM...
The guards in the Pinellas County Courthouse caught on to her little stall tactic quickly and put an end to it. I thought they were much more vigilant in watching her throughout the hearings (jury selections).

QueenD
06-06-2011, 09:40 PM
I just turned it on, am watching now.

He kills me. Why do I turn this on every night?

Mark Eiglish(sp) is the best person I have seen on there so far.

Coming up next damning evidence against ICA the jurors hasn't seen yet.

Now what does he know?

joypath
06-06-2011, 09:41 PM
:rocker: I missed the am session (you DO NOT want to know WHY!:sick:) and WOW, Dr. Vass BLEW it out of the park with his ability to present the subject! Wicked cool presentation, a lecture AND a "day in the life" all from the witness stand!:seeya:


This witness should cause JB to :truce:!

LEFT-COASTER
06-06-2011, 09:41 PM
He kills me. Why do I turn this on every night?

Mark Eiglish(sp) is the best person I have seen on there so far.

Coming up next damning evidence against ICA the jurors hasn't seen yet.

Now what does he know?

lol.. what ever he is gonna say.. betcha we all knew it years ago.

Boots-OK
06-06-2011, 09:42 PM
Earlier today - it was mentioned (on this thread, I think) that there are surveillance videos from Home Depot now in evidence. I was at work and unable to determine the source of this information. Can someone help me out, please?

Ricki
06-06-2011, 09:43 PM
:laugh:

Dude, a little advice ... first, smoke the pot, then re-watch the "eating meat in a bag" part of the trial today, make sure you know the correct steps ... repeat the first step and decide whether you still want to do a trunk experiment with raw meat or just raid the kitchen and re-watch the trial for entertainment value ... just a suggestion ... :D
Being a person who was a teen in the late 60's early 70's, your post gave me the giggles.:floorlaugh:

Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:44 PM
Earlier today - it was mentioned (on this thread, I think) that there are surveillance videos from Home Depot now in evidence. I was at work and unable to determine the source of this information. Can someone help me out, please?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2011.06.06 Sidebar (Trial Day Eleven)

Ricki
06-06-2011, 09:47 PM
I would guess LKB. She has been flapping her gums a lot and is certainly giving Baez a lot of undeserved credit.

BetteDavisEyes
06-06-2011, 09:48 PM
Being a person who was a teen in the late 60's early 70's, your post gave me the giggles.:floorlaugh:

LOL! I was in college in the late '60s and some colleagues in my dorm thought that I was a narc! NOT! Must have been my Bette DavisEyes ;)

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 09:48 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2011.06.06 Sidebar (Trial Day Eleven) (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6625065&postcount=962)

Home Depot??? Would that be George and Cindy buying their plumbing supplies??? I can't imagine KC going to Home Depot.

Sweet Fox
06-06-2011, 09:50 PM
Wonder if anyone did screen caps of the suspect wiki page entries? Those that JB was attributing to Dr. Vass.

I did screen caps of the wiki pages. I also did a search on the IP address and it's located in the Orlando area.

Leila
06-06-2011, 09:50 PM
Dr. Vass was wonderful today! For someone who hasn't testified in a courtroom before, he did an outstanding job!

As I listened to the testimony, I couldn't help but think of GA and CA who are in the courtroom every day. I wonder what their thoughts are? Are they seeing and accepting the truth? What do they think of JB now?

mobius99
06-06-2011, 09:54 PM
So I'm just pop tartin' in to give a shout out to all the WSers who provided the amazing color commentary today. I cursed the gods for setting up my day so I had to go into the office today. I sneaked peeks all day like a junkie looking for her next high. The DT sure likes to serve crazy on toast. Yummmm....I'm off to the videos to see for myself!

camcneishg
06-06-2011, 09:54 PM
I am sooooo praying that it is ICA purchasing acetone.......

Leila
06-06-2011, 09:55 PM
What happened to Ann Finnell? She was there during jury selection but I haven't noticed her in the courtroom again.

Ann Finnell will be there for the penalty phase.

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 09:55 PM
Dr. Vass was wonderful today! For someone who hasn't testified in a courtroom before, he did an outstanding job!

As I listened to the testimony, I couldn't help but think of GA and CA who are in the courtroom every day. I wonder what their thoughts are? Are they seeing and accepting the truth? What do they think of JB now?


Good questions all!!!...Wish I was a fly on the wall of the Anthony home.

Niner
06-06-2011, 09:55 PM
ETA: I have been known to be wrong before, but I really can't imagine that even she is not smart enough to know that she will be found guilty. I can't imagine that she is not already planning her appeals and in such, I see the bus turning around to come back at JB, who got off to get an ice cream and a hot dog.

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

sorry - I HAD to post that again - I laughed so loud, I have tears running down my face!! Too good, HRCODEPINK!! Thanks!! :seeya:

Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:57 PM
Found this in the evidence thread, could someone explain to me what it all means, in plain english lol?

Not listed on the Clerk's docket (yet) but the State filed a Motion in Limine to make the Defense proffer questions regarding hearsay statements by the defendant [regarding sexual abuse and George's participation in the accidental drowning] and it was heard in open court and GRANTED on May 27, 2011.

Trial Thursday May 26, 2011
Ashton - we have motion in limine

Trial Friday May 27, 2011
State's motion in limine
Judge - Ch 90 FL evidence code, framework was evidence is admissible, , must meet requirement of ch 90, this motion deals with attempts by defense to elicit statements by defendant from other witnesses, those under evidence code self serving, when attempted by the defense, basically 3 exceptions to that, not go into may permit some of these. Under those 3, foundation requirements must be asked before those questions asked, as of yet no attempt to establish those foundational requirements, not admissible , State motion in limine statements of defendant be proffered will be granted

Lovejac
06-06-2011, 09:57 PM
Hey, there is a mother and her daughter being interviewed on Dr, Drew.

Wonder if they are Websleuthers!

Amil
06-06-2011, 10:01 PM
My niece would like to know who the African American is that sits in the front row, second seat on viewers left. Is he a journalist? He sits in the same seat every day.

He is a journalist. I borrowed a piece of paper from him one day. He had press credentials.

gelfie68
06-06-2011, 10:02 PM
Something involving "job" I'm sure, but fee arrangements are not part of the official record.

OMG I love your new title!!!

RR0004
06-06-2011, 10:02 PM
The extra space makes it easier to spell correctly and use proper grammar.
Adnoid...may I say that it is so nice seeing your posts. I always imagined you were like Charlie (of Charlie's Angels)...directing, but never seen. :)

chelle70
06-06-2011, 10:05 PM
I didn't read all the way through to find the answer.

But I decided that I would do a workout every time he objected and was overruled or a sidebar was caused....the workout was as follows as in...like the first time he was overruled, I did 10 squats. The next I did 10 situps, the next 10 pushups, the next 10 burpees.

By 2:00-2:30 (AND I WOKE UP LATE so started at 9:30) ((and of course missed some cause I couldn't catch my breath or feel my legs)....

I had done about 80 squats, 70 situps, 70 pushups and about 25 burpees (as i broke my ankle in January and burpees with barefeet tweek said ankle((and replaced burpees with Good Morning hamstring workouts))) and about 45 Good Mornings...

i wont be able to walk tomorrow or lift a diet coke.

Awesome idea!:)

joypath
06-06-2011, 10:05 PM
:floorlaugh: What trial was Ashley Banfield watching?....She's on Joy B's nighttime show and claiming that the defense defeated Vass!!!!!!

lorann
06-06-2011, 10:08 PM
Dr. Vass was wonderful today! For someone who hasn't testified in a courtroom before, he did an outstanding job!

As I listened to the testimony, I couldn't help but think of GA and CA who are in the courtroom every day. I wonder what their thoughts are? Are they seeing and accepting the truth? What do they think of JB now?

The expression "Comfortable in his own skin" comes to mind with Dr. Vass. He is aware of his diverse abilities.

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:09 PM
:floorlaugh: What trial was Ashley Banfield watching?....She's on Joy B's nighttime show and claiming that the defense defeated Vass!!!!!!

Evidently some trial in her alternate world...LOL...defeated Vass...hardly!!!!

chelle70
06-06-2011, 10:09 PM
Thanks for the link. Of course then I had to watch ICA again linger and linger and stack up all the things on the desk, manage the cords, smile, yada yada yada:banghead:
The SA's gathered their stuff neatly and left and all those other 'folks' took forever to gather their stuff up...but of course the guards let her sit and do all this...why don't they take her butt out right away? Geesh.

ITA, I do not know why this happens everyday. It drives me nuts watching her fooling around w/ the files, cords, trash, pens & paper sorting and handing stuff to the attorneys to put away. The deputies should make her get up, push her chair in, and leave out the door in an orderly fashion. Not hang around and laugh, grin and be a general nuisance to everyone!

belle3
06-06-2011, 10:09 PM
Someone said she told him "Good Job" today. :waitasec:

Was she being snarky?

strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:10 PM
:floorlaugh: What trial was Ashley Banfield watching?....She's on Joy B's nighttime show and claiming that the defense defeated Vass!!!!!!

And I flipped over to Fox cause someone said Greta was at the courthouse today. She goes "what is the prosecution thinking? Are they making OJ prosecutor errors? They have an expert who claims to smell death." But first their talking about the Weiner who got caught with <modsnip> exposed.

tlcya
06-06-2011, 10:10 PM
Found this in the evidence thread, could someone explain to me what it all means, in plain english lol?

Not listed on the Clerk's docket (yet) but the State filed a Motion in Limine to make the Defense proffer questions regarding hearsay statements by the defendant [regarding sexual abuse and George's participation in the accidental drowning] and it was heard in open court and GRANTED on May 27, 2011.

Trial Thursday May 26, 2011
Ashton - we have motion in limine

Trial Friday May 27, 2011
State's motion in limine
Judge - Ch 90 FL evidence code, framework was evidence is admissible, , must meet requirement of ch 90, this motion deals with attempts by defense to elicit statements by defendant from other witnesses, those under evidence code self serving, when attempted by the defense, basically 3 exceptions to that, not go into may permit some of these. Under those 3, foundation requirements must be asked before those questions asked, as of yet no attempt to establish those foundational requirements, not admissible , State motion in limine statements of defendant be proffered will be granted

I think this was the motion wherein the state said JB should not be allowed to elicit hearsay statements from witnesses about sexual abuse without "proffer" which I believe is a fancy word for prove it up!

In other words unless it came from the horses mouth to the witnesses ear JB can't insinuate such testimony exists or dance around the witnesses as if they have important evidence without have them "proffer" it to the judge so the judge can then decide if it meets the standard. Fancy way for the state to say "put up or shut up."

Would explain why JB hasn't said much about the ole abuse excuse since his BS opening statement.

Course, I am probably all wrong and some lawyer will probably come along here eventually and explain how wrong I am. lol

strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:13 PM
I'm watching this afternoon's portion on wftv. Usually I fast forward through sidebars but AV is cracking me up looking at the ceiling, then he looked like he was bobbing to a tune in his head. :blowkiss:

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:14 PM
ITA, I do not know why this happens everyday. It drives me nuts watching her fooling around w/ the files, cords, trash, pens & paper sorting and handing stuff to the attorneys to put away. The deputies should make her get up, push her chair in, and leave out the door in an orderly fashion. Not hang around and laugh, grin and be a general nuisance to everyone!

I know it drives me batty!!! She acts like a legal secretary or paralegal instead of the accused. Trying to act like she is important to any of them. If she only knew.

QB.
06-06-2011, 10:14 PM
I'm watching anderson Cooper , he is doing a small segment on the case coming up.

Turnadot
06-06-2011, 10:15 PM
I asked my husband if Dr Vass' divining rod hobby made him a kook. My husband said, 'I think the real question is - if he wasn't a little bit kooky, could he really claim to be a scientist? I think not.'

3doglady
06-06-2011, 10:15 PM
And I flipped over to Fox cause someone said Greta was at the courthouse today. She goes "what is the prosecution thinking? Are they making OJ prosecutor errors? They have an expert who claims to smell death." But first their talking about the Weiner who got caught with his weiner exposed.

I saw her walk in today. It looked like she sat near CA and GA.

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:15 PM
I'm watching this afternoon's portion on . Usually I fast forward through sidebars but AV is cracking me up looking at the ceiling, then he looked like he was bobbing to a tune in his head. :blowkiss:

I'm sure he was...it was better than the alternative.

Girlrilla
06-06-2011, 10:16 PM
"The defense then voluntarily withdrew the subpoena, but indicated it wanted to call Vass as an expert witness of its own after the state had rested."
http://wap.wesh.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=237&nid=51450160&cid=4649&scid=-1&ith=0&title=Local+News

From Wesh.com's nice summary of today's events. Really? They plan on using Vass too? After they tried to discredit the poor guy's life work? Haven't they put him through enough?

Tuffy
06-06-2011, 10:17 PM
I'm watching this afternoon's portion on wftv. Usually I fast forward through sidebars but AV is cracking me up looking at the ceiling, then he looked like he was bobbing to a tune in his head. :blowkiss:

I'm watching it now, too, strawberry. Right now, Jose is ripping Dr. Voss up. :(

OT- I love the doggie in your avatar!

SummerRaye
06-06-2011, 10:20 PM
I shall let you all know how the "workout" has left me in the morrow. As I have pledged to do it every other day...IN THE NAME OF CAYLEE

Amil
06-06-2011, 10:23 PM
...yet again, may have been mentioned but i think they brought up the pot was because they remembered from the tape when casey says "...yeah, his roommates smoke weed!" i guess they forgot. i think they just want to make everyone look bad and questionable. and the easel? well, cause baez couldnt spell magnesium. no spell check on easel.

The man couldn't even spell IRON! Why didn't he just write FE? I'm mortified that I live in the same state with these folks!

mollymil23
06-06-2011, 10:25 PM
:floorlaugh: What trial was Ashley Banfield watching?....She's on Joy B's nighttime show and claiming that the defense defeated Vass!!!!!!

That Ashley...she is one "unusual person." I peeked at her twitter stream at somone's suggestion today and wow....:waitasec:

Ricki
06-06-2011, 10:25 PM
I think this was the motion wherein the state said JB should not be allowed to elicit hearsay statements from witnesses about sexual abuse without "proffer" which I believe is a fancy word for prove it up!

In other words unless it came from the horses mouth to the witnesses ear JB can't insinuate such testimony exists or dance around the witnesses as if they have important evidence without have them "proffer" it to the judge so the judge can then decide if it meets the standard. Fancy way for the state to say "put up or shut up."

Would explain why JB hasn't said much about the ole abuse excuse since his BS opening statement.

Course, I am probably all wrong and some lawyer will probably come along here eventually and explain how wrong I am. lol

Portion bolded by me. Right or wrong I think your explanation is great. "put up or shut up". I hope they make the DF do this or maybe they just do not have anyone to prove anything about their accusations about abuse. I think JB put his foot in his mouth.

tlcya
06-06-2011, 10:26 PM
I think JB is in a constant state of foot in mouth, might not have room for another one in there :)

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:27 PM
The man couldn't even spell IRON! Why didn't he just write FE? I'm mortified that I live in the same state with these folks!



I hear ya!!! I thought magnesium was bad, but iron takes the cake. He would have no idea with FE is .

strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:29 PM
Do defense attorneys HAVE to be rude and condescending to the other side's witnesses? Can't they just question professionally without a snarky look or tone? Just wondering.

3doglady
06-06-2011, 10:30 PM
LOL Maybe I didn't see GVS walk in, she just said Jeanine Pirro was there.

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:33 PM
Honestly when Baez wanted Vass to come down from the stand and write on his wrinkly paper board and then when JB had to do it himself, I knew this would be bad and I was right...LOL...how embarrassing.

strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:34 PM
I'm watching it now, too, strawberry. Right now, Jose is ripping Dr. Voss up. :(

OT- I love the doggie in your avatar!

Yeah right....Vass has nothing on Baez :smirk:

PS thanks that's my dog...her name is Casey (disclailmer: named in 2003)

spiderlady
06-06-2011, 10:35 PM
So I must have missed a bunch of good stuff while waiting on all those pesky patients. Okay...I know they are sick and need to see the Doc but REALLY?? The trial is on!!!! Just kidding. They did come first......so what is this about the home depot visits. Anyone willing to help out a hardworking public servant and update me a bit? I'LL luv you forever!!

Oh PLEASE have mercy............spider on back rubbing all eight legs together.
I will pay someone for a quick overview of what I missed. Home Depot stuff?? I have about 18 patients in the morning so I just KNOW I will miss everything. Please someone have mercy:-)

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:36 PM
I'm getting so used to having earphones in my ears, I was listening to Bill S. and left the earphones in for an hour afterwords...good Gawd.

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 10:36 PM
LOL Maybe I didn't see GVS walk in, she just said Jeanine Pirro was there.

I believe it was first thing this morning as the jury was coming in. Vass stood at the entrance to the courtroom waiting to be sent to the stand, she walked in just before he was given the okay to take the stand.

strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:36 PM
LOL Maybe I didn't see GVS walk in, she just said Jeanine Pirro was there.

I don't know...she hasn't covered the case until tonight so you may have seen her. At least I don't think she has. I don't watch Fox but I checked in on her show a few times since she covered the case so much in 2008.

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:38 PM
Oh PLEASE have mercy............spider on back rubbing all eight legs together.
I will pay someone for a quick overview of what I missed. Home Depot stuff?? I have about 18 patients in the morning so I just KNOW I will miss everything. Please someone have mercy:-)


I don't know how to recap the state, but the recap for the defense was "objection" "sustained"...I know that doesn't help much, but at this hour, it's all I got.

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 10:39 PM
Oh PLEASE have mercy............spider on back rubbing all eight legs together.
I will pay someone for a quick overview of what I missed. Home Depot stuff?? I have about 18 patients in the morning so I just KNOW I will miss everything. Please someone have mercy:-)

Dr. Vass took the stand today, here's a breakdown of his testimony:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139219

He explained things in a way that non scientist could understand so he was a great witness for the state. He was on the stand almost the entire day.

And the Home Depot stuff at this point is pure speculation, with the exception that it is fact that there are video's that will be introduced at trial, along with the others that we did not know about:
(I'll find that list for you)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6312408&postcount=270

2011.04.08 SA Provision of Discovery

Discovery Documents Pages 24700-24703 (P & G Material Safety Data Sheet)

I. CD-R - Bank of America - Conway Branch
2. CD-R - Target - Winter Park, 7-10-08
3. CD-R - Target - Waterford Lakes & Goldenrod, 7-8-08 & 7-10-08, Entrance Shots
4. CD-R - Target - Waterford Lakes, 7-10-08
5. DVD-R - Target Video, 6-30-08 1 :22pm, Pkg Lot, Entrance, Purchase, Exit
6. DVD-R - Target Video, 6-30-08 1:20pm to 1:24pm, POS-Cash Register # 14
7. DVD-R - Target Video, 6-30-08 1 pm to 1:30pm
8. DVD-R - Winn Dixie #2383 Video, 7-6-08 & 7-15-08, Entry/Exit & Cam 4 (Cash reg.)
9. DVD-R - Winn Dixie #2383 Video, 7-12-08 21:05
10. DVD-R - Surveillance Video - Blockbuster "16"
11. DVD-R - Surveillance Video - Blockbuster "15"
12. CD-R - Target Store Video, 6-30-08 1:22pm
13 . CD-R - Target Store Video, 7-7-08 & 6-30-08
14. CD-R - Cheesecake Factory Rest Video, 6-11-08
15. CD-R - Cheesecake Factory Rest Video, 6-12-08
16. DVD-R -lkea Store Video, 7-5-08 1400 to J600 (#3A)
17. DVD-R -Ikea Store Video, 7-5-08 1400 to 1600, Casey & Will (#3B)
18. DVD-R -lkea Store Video, 7-5-08 14:46 to 14:48 (#3C)
19. DVD-R -lkea Store Video, 7-5-08 1400 to 1600 (#3D)
20. DVD-R - lkea Store Video, 7-5-08 1400 to 1600 (#3£)
21. CD-R - Walmart Video, 7-23-08
22. CD-R - Photos from Blockbuster Video, 6-16-08
23 . CD-R - JC Penney∑ Video, 6-27-08, 6-30-08, 7-1-08
24. CD-R - Home Depot Video, 5-23-08, 6-29-08, 7-5-08
25. CD-R - Home Depot Video, 5-29-08
26. CD-R - OOCEA EPass Photo
27. CD-R - Suntrust Video of Tony Lazzaro
28. CD-R - EPass History for Anthony Family
29. Discovery Documents Pages 24704-24706

Emeralgem
06-06-2011, 10:40 PM
The man couldn't even spell IRON! Why didn't he just write FE? I'm mortified that I live in the same state with these folks!

Wouldn't surprise me to learn he doesn't even know FE stands for Iron on the Periodic Table...JMHO

ETA..HELL-O He may have never heard of the Periodic Table..

strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:41 PM
I have a feeling Dr. Vass invented something else while staring at the ceiling during a sidebar.

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:44 PM
Wouldn't surprise me to learn he doesn't even know FE stands for Iron on the Periodic Table...JMHO


Of course not. I mean come on...I would think a 3rd grader would know how to spell iron...it would take a 6th grader to know what FE stands for.

Mohabi
06-06-2011, 10:46 PM
The man couldn't even spell IRON! Why didn't he just write FE? I'm mortified that I live in the same state with these folks!

He couldn't spell "iron". How in the WORLD could he know what FE stands for? He's not a chemist! :)

whiteangora
06-06-2011, 10:47 PM
Just heard Greta on FOX News calling Dr Vass silly!
Wow, FOX has all gone pro defense, I'm done with them.

strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:47 PM
LOL the lady talking to GVS says JB made a fool of himself crossing AV. She said the jury loved AV. GVS is just still livin the OJ trial and saying the prosecution didn't need AV...overprosecution...saying it was stupid. Was GVS a defense attorney. Oh be quiet GVS. It wasn't too bad...she just wants to tout her experience with the OJ trial. She said the judge wouldn't let JB question AV about bias. The other lady said Bias? I'll tell you about Baez..he made a fool of himself. :lol:

suzihawk
06-06-2011, 10:48 PM
"The defense then voluntarily withdrew the subpoena, but indicated it wanted to call Vass as an expert witness of its own after the state had rested."
http://wap.wesh.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=237&nid=51450160&cid=4649&scid=-1&ith=0&title=Local+News

From Wesh.com's nice summary of today's events. Really? They plan on using Vass too? After they tried to discredit the poor guy's life work? Haven't they put him through enough?

Heh... I'm sure Dr. Vass is going to be real cooperative with Baez after he spent the better part of the afternoon attempting to make him look like a kook. :crazy:

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 10:48 PM
Just heard Greta on FOX News calling Dr Vass silly!
Wow, FOX has all gone pro defense, I'm done with them.

OMG!!! What is going on??? Are they all drinking the Geraldo Kool-Aid???

Mohabi
06-06-2011, 10:51 PM
After JB objected over and over, calling Dr. Vass "not a chemist", "not a biologist", etc.... I wanted HHJP to turn towards JB and say "...and you, Mr. Baez...are not a lawyer".

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 10:51 PM
Just heard Greta on FOX News calling Dr Vass silly!
Wow, FOX has all gone pro defense, I'm done with them.

Silly why? Because he stared at the ceiling during sidebars to keep from laughing out loud at Baez and his questioning?:floorlaugh:

QB.
06-06-2011, 10:51 PM
Well, just watched Anderson Cooper right now and they seemed to have gotten it right. They say prosecution's expert witness was very convincing, that kc showed very little to no emotion today and that the defense really scored no points today.

EastCoast
06-06-2011, 10:52 PM
IMO Dr Vass was very professional today. I saw he was very dedicated to his field of study. Defense tactics did not come close to refuting his years of studies. He stayed steadfast with his expertise and what he believes as facts. and that is all we can ask of an expert witness. The defense questioning was so way out there and borderlined on imbacelic, sic, haha.

Tuffy
06-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Jose: "Assumptions are sometimes relevant in conclusions!? *bats mic out of the way* and :rollseyes:


Oh my, Jose knows so little about science!

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Here is a quote from the wiki for Statistical Hypothesis, the Testing Process:

In the statistical literature, statistical hypothesis testing plays a fundamental role.[6] The usual line of reasoning is as follows:
We start with a research hypothesis of which the truth is unknown.
The first step is to state the relevant null and alternative hypotheses. This is important as mis-stating the hypotheses will muddy the rest of the process. Specifically, the null hypothesis allows to attach an attribute: it should be chosen in such a way that it allows us to conclude whether the alternative hypothesis can either be accepted or stays undecided as it was before the test.[7]
The second step is to consider the statistical assumptions being made about the sample in doing the test; for example, assumptions about the statistical independence or about the form of the distributions of the observations. This is equally important as invalid assumptions will mean that the results of the test are invalid.
Decide which test is appropriate, and stating the relevant test statistic T.
Derive the distribution of the test statistic under the null hypothesis from the assumptions. In standard cases this will be a well-known result. For example the test statistics may follow a Student's t distribution or a normal distribution.
The distribution of the test statistic partitions the possible values of T into those for which the null-hypothesis is rejected, the so called critical region, and those for which it is not.
Compute from the observations the observed value tobs of the test statistic T.
Decide to either fail to reject the null hypothesis or reject it in favor of the alternative. The decision rule is to reject the null hypothesis H0 if the observed value tobs is in the critical region, and to accept or "fail to reject" the hypothesis otherwise.

Also, here is a link to Statistical Assumptions Wiki

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strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Littman on GVS. Saying again that it was the State that warned them what the DT was up to. LOVE. IT.

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 10:53 PM
After JB objected over and over, calling Dr. Vass "not a chemist", "not a biologist", etc.... I wanted HHJP to turn towards JB and say "...and you, Mr. Baez...are not a lawyer".

You know, I'm seriously waiting for just one person to do this to Baez during his questioning.
:great:

Turnadot
06-06-2011, 10:54 PM
Just heard Greta on FOX News calling Dr Vass silly!
Wow, FOX has all gone pro defense, I'm done with them.
I've no idea who this Greta person is, but my response to her is: no u

But if I had to guess, I'd wager she's a clueless talking head who knows as much about Dr Vass as he probably cares to know about her.

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 10:55 PM
Well, just watched Anderson Cooper right now and they seemed to have gotten it right. They say prosecution's expert witness was very convincing, that kc showed very little to no emotion today and that the defense really scored no points today.

I felt sick listening to his testimony, even had to turn away for a couple of hours just because I can't imagine a child going through such a thing, no matter how natural the process may or may not be. Casey just sat there, it didn't bother her in the least. I didn't even see "very little" emotion from her today.:banghead:

strawberry
06-06-2011, 10:57 PM
How did JB spell Iron?

PS I think electronic leashes on flies is an excellent idea. Can you imagine how people must have thought the Wright Brotehrs were crazy!

TxJan1971
06-06-2011, 10:58 PM
The man couldn't even spell IRON! Why didn't he just write FE? I'm mortified that I live in the same state with these folks!

Why do you think Jose wanted "Dr." Vass to come down from the stand to spell it out for him on his drawing board ???? LMAO

Amster
06-06-2011, 10:58 PM
Greta is full of it! She was in the courtroom today! We saw her come in right after Dr. Vass and Lippman was right behind her. She sat on the same side as George and Cindy!! OMG...she disgusts me! Dr. Vass testified to much more than sniffing death....her words. What about the chloroform, Greta??

She and Jerry Rivers...."Geraldo's" real name.....are such ~unusual people~

Tuffy
06-06-2011, 11:00 PM
Why do you think Jose wanted "Dr." Vass to come down from the stand to spell it out for him on his drawing board ???? LMAO

That was so weird! I don't get that? Was this his visual for the jury?

Leila
06-06-2011, 11:00 PM
Good questions all!!!...Wish I was a fly on the wall of the Anthony home.

I'm sure GA and CA go home at the end of the day and discuss the day's events. I mean..........at this time this is the most major thing in their life.

They've held some preconceived ideas for almost three years until their realization back in mid-April that the defense was claiming that Caylee died on June 16, 2008 in the family pool, and the defense plan was to blame them.

A lot of what the state is presenting is new to the Anthonys. This is information they refused to hear as their focus was on "the nanny kidnapped Caylee." So I wonder how they're absorbing all this and what their thoughts are?

Mohabi
06-06-2011, 11:00 PM
I felt sick listening to his testimony, even had to turn away for a couple of hours just because I can't imagine a child going through such a thing, no matter how natural the process may or may not be. Casey just sat there, it didn't bother her in the least. I didn't even see "very little" emotion from her today.:banghead:

Well, the way I see it, she had nothing to react to, right? After all she went "through" it, at least the first stage he described - maybe even the second, considering the heat. She's an "expert" now! A mere description couldn't possibly match hands on experience.

angeleleven
06-06-2011, 11:00 PM
I didn't get the impression that Greta was on the defense side. Normally she has been on the prosecution side. IMO

whiteangora
06-06-2011, 11:01 PM
I've no idea who this Greta person is, but my response to her is: no u

But if I had to guess, I'd wager she's a clueless talking head who knows as much about Dr Vass as he probably cares to know about her.

She has her own hour long show on FOX, she used to cover this case extensively for months in 2008. I think she was/is an attorney but lately all she covers is politics on her show.
I'm just disgusted with the FOX coverage and will now switch to CNN only.

Turnadot
06-06-2011, 11:01 PM
Well, just watched Anderson Cooper right now and they seemed to have gotten it right. They say prosecution's expert witness was very convincing, that kc showed very little to no emotion today and that the defense really scored no points today.
I've been hopping around different news sources and that's the general opinion among the experts. I'm tossing Greta and her ilk in with Geraldo. I don't give weight to an opinion that's served with ad homs.

suzihawk
06-06-2011, 11:01 PM
LOL Maybe I didn't see GVS walk in, she just said Jeanine Pirro was there.

I saw her walk in too. It was just before Court convened and she turned to sit where GA and CA usually sit. I started to post something about it but thought I must've been mistaken since she doesn't report on crime cases anymore, although I was sure it was her.

At any rate, she must be in Orlando since she was just interviewing Jeanine P. in person, who (as she pointed out) WAS there. :waitasec: Wonder why she wouldn't want to admit to being in the Courtroom?

ETA: She just said 'goodnight from Orlando'.

Mohabi
06-06-2011, 11:03 PM
Why do you think Jose wanted "Dr." Vass to come down from the stand to spell it out for him on his drawing board ???? LMAO

For the same reason he asked CA to stand up and look at KC to ascertain she didn't look pregnant. To ridicule Dr. Vass like he ridiculed CA.

strawberry
06-06-2011, 11:05 PM
Well, just watched Anderson Cooper right now and they seemed to have gotten it right. They say prosecution's expert witness was very convincing, that kc showed very little to no emotion today and that the defense really scored no points today.

Doh! That's what I get for watching GVS instead of AC. Love AC!! And sounds like he has it right!

Turnadot
06-06-2011, 11:06 PM
Anderson Cooper, the silver fox! Love his show 360.

pjmale
06-06-2011, 11:07 PM
How did JB spell Iron?

PS I think electronic leashes on flies is an excellent idea. Can you imagine how people must have thought the Wright Brotehrs were crazy!

Iorn.

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 11:07 PM
Why do you think Jose wanted "Dr." Vass to come down from the stand to spell it out for him on his drawing board ???? LMAO

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!

Turnadot
06-06-2011, 11:08 PM
Iorn.
Baez: Iorn Man.

Coming to a courthouse near you.

strawberry
06-06-2011, 11:09 PM
Iorn.

:lol: He must have done his own powerpoints as well for the Frye hearings!

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 11:10 PM
:laugh::silly:


Baez: Iorn Man.

Coming to a courthouse near you.

EastCoast
06-06-2011, 11:11 PM
Iorn.

I am a decendant of Wright Bros. ahaha

Rapunzel
06-06-2011, 11:11 PM
:laugh::silly:

Seeing was believing.

TxJan1971
06-06-2011, 11:15 PM
That was so weird! I don't get that? Was this his visual for the jury?

Does anyone (other than ICA) have any idea why JB does anything he does????

His visual for the jury was just a list of compounds that Dr. Vass had previously testified about - and JB apparently felt it necessary to repeat them on paper for the jury (i.e. magnesium, iron, carbon, etc.) JB wanted Dr. V. to step down from the stand and write/list them on the Doodle board, but I believe SA objected and JB agreed to just do it himself. JB then had difficulty spelling the words: i.e. iron (iorn) and magnesium (he abbreviated mag.)

Maybe the senior DT partner, CM, advised him to do it in an attempt to "re-school" the good doctor - perhaps JB did it because he needed some "filler time" - you know - he didn't have any intelligent questions to counter question the doctor with so this was his way of taking up some court time so he didn't have to talk too much and appear inferior. I called it another one of JB's OODLES OF DOODLES times.... LOL - maybe he felt this would make the jurors think he was as brilliant as the doctor and the SA - after all - the SA /doctor used charts -- so JB decided he would show his own "CHART" LOL Your guess is as good as mine as to why he does half the things he does...

ColdDayIn
06-06-2011, 11:15 PM
I have a feeling Dr. Vass invented something else while staring at the ceiling during a sidebar.

Maybe he was thinking of how to invent a machine to sniff out <modsnip> lawyers...now that would definitely be something to contribute to the greater good...hehehe...

Ada
06-06-2011, 11:21 PM
That terrific and for Caylee's sake I hope the jury shares your view. But that's not what scientific testimony in these types of trials should be about. It should be about science that has been thoroughly vetted, shown to be reproducible, and about results that have been generated through highly controlled conditions.

I can certainly see your point and you have caused me to stop and think about it. However, iirc, the DT had every opportunity to find experts to refute Dr Vass's findings and they failed. In fact, the expert they had in the hearings, for this reason, ended up citing Dr Vass's work, and used it as required reading for his university class.

Niner
06-06-2011, 11:22 PM
Barker Ranch in California - the ranch where Charles Manson's "family" lived in the desert after the Tate-LaBianca murders. There's rumored to be a number of bodies buried in or around that ranch.

and I was living in the San Fernando Valley at the time, and I knew 'one of those bodies'... Shorty. :maddening:

sorry it's probably off-topic of you all are discussing right now, but I'm still reading the afternoon trial thread and of course counting the side bars and objections...

adnoid
06-06-2011, 11:23 PM
OMG!!! What is going on??? Are they all drinking the Geraldo Kool-Aid???

Nope. Ratings.

If you're flipping through the news channels and hear crazy talk like that, most people will stop and watch for longer than if they heard something they agree with.

Greta was big on Mark Geragos making points in the Scott Peterson case. How would you say she called that one?

mydailyopinions
06-06-2011, 11:26 PM
Sometimes I think that Mason is purposely sitting back watching Baez make a fool of the defense, just so that he can take first seat in the re trial he believes Casey can get due to ineffective counsel.

EastCoast
06-06-2011, 11:28 PM
Nope. Ratings.

If you're flipping through the news channels and hear crazy talk like that, most people will stop and watch for longer than if they heard something they agree with.

Greta was big on Mark Geragos making points in the Scott Peterson case. How would you say she called that one?

yes, we have done the research. how many times have we noted that MSM gets it wrong? Let us rely on us.

strawberry
06-06-2011, 11:32 PM
I would love to know more about the child wrapped in a blanket that Dr. Vass studied. :(

Turnadot
06-06-2011, 11:33 PM
yes, we have done the research. how many times have we noted that MSM gets it wrong? Let us rely on us.
Amen!!

I'm so grateful that lawyers here answer our many questions and we have such brilliant members here pouring over doc dumps, ping maps, etc. I swear I trust what you guys say about his case far more than the talking heads. Any of them. So many lovely people here have devoted hours to learning the evidence, and I'm in awe.

This is the best forum of its kind.

strawberry
06-06-2011, 11:34 PM
Watching JA's redirect of AV. Just noticed AV has the cutest dimples!!!

strawberry
06-06-2011, 11:36 PM
I am a decendant of Wright Bros. ahaha

Are you REALLY? That is so cool!!! I grew up in Dayton and vacation in Kitty Hawk every year so I'm a big fan of them!

angeleleven
06-06-2011, 11:37 PM
Are you REALLY? That is so cool!!! I grew up in Dayton and vacation in Kitty Hawk every year so I'm a big fan of them!

I live about 30 minutes or less from Kitty Hawk.

RR0004
06-06-2011, 11:38 PM
Sometimes I think that Mason is purposely sitting back watching Baez make a fool of the defense, just so that he can take first seat in the re trial he believes Casey can get due to ineffective counsel.
...and I was thinking, surely this man has something better to do. There really should be some rule that prevents an attorney to try a death penalty case if they're not death penalty qualified. I don't care if they have a DP attorney on board...he's not doing anything even remotely useful IMO. An attorney should be co-counsel on x number of cases before they can move to first chair. Watching Baez cut his teeth (so to speak) is just asking for trouble...for the defendent and for the State.

nerdy
06-06-2011, 11:38 PM
I didn't watch today but lurked along the trial thread as I could - and I just have to say - there's no way anything I saw pop up today constitutes "reasonable." I cannot even begin with the hamburger in the trunk scenario! Jury members may reside in a vacuum temporarily - but they're from the same world the rest of us live in. I highly doubt any of this going over well.

I somewhat followed the Scott Peterson trial and I don't recall day after day sounding like it was written by bad sitcom writers! I hope I'm not against TOS in saying that - but this stuff is just so far out of left field I think it's wrapped back around to the right field. And by right - I do mean wrong.

I think I'm confused! Goodnight and catch you all tomorrow!

GetSmart
06-06-2011, 11:38 PM
I just can't think of enough nice things to say about Dr Vass..

RR0004
06-06-2011, 11:40 PM
I would love to know more about the child wrapped in a blanket that Dr. Vass studied. :(
http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-09-08-3951153388_x.htm

HTH

EastCoast
06-06-2011, 11:41 PM
Are you REALLY? That is so cool!!! I grew up in Dayton and vacation in Kitty Hawk every year so I'm a big fan of them!

Yes, and I dont like flying haha

Plumeria5
06-06-2011, 11:42 PM
Anyone a body language expert? Watching today's coverage and Dr. Vass's testimony, I was especially watching ICA reaction to what he was saying. When asked about the stages of decomposition, Dr. Vass said he would try not to be too morbid. ICA really raises her brows. Then when he gets to the 2nd stage, bloating, she looks away almost as though she is visualizing. Anyone else notice that?

100%Agave
06-06-2011, 11:45 PM
I asked my husband if Dr Vass' divining rod hobby made him a kook. My husband said, 'I think the real question is - if he wasn't a little bit kooky, could he really claim to be a scientist? I think not.'

See I don't find that kooky at all. Divining rods really work. They have been used to find water for a very long time. I have seen it done and I have also tried it. It is truly amazing. I think that the rod has to be made out of specific materials to find specific things. Like a forked willow branch to find water, etc.

EastCoast
06-06-2011, 11:53 PM
This is where I love Dr. Vass when he said he thinks outside the box where would science ever be if we did not perpetuate that? So when were fingerprints excepted as a science? When was dna excpeted as a science? Hell, if we cant find new science, then lets not ever find anything new,.

Storm
06-06-2011, 11:55 PM
I live about 30 minutes or less from Kitty Hawk.

My oldest just graduated from medical school in Dayton. I'm a genealogist..being a descendant of the Wright's is so cool! ^i^

everyoneneedsavoice
06-06-2011, 11:57 PM
Anyone a body language expert? Watching today's coverage and Dr. Vass's testimony, I was especially watching ICA reaction to what he was saying. When asked about the stages of decomposition, Dr. Vass said he would try not to be too morbid. ICA really raises her brows. Then when he gets to the 2nd stage, bloating, she looks away almost as though she is visualizing. Anyone else notice that?

No...I missed it. Very interesting. Gotta link and/or time stamp for the video? I would love to re-watch!

luvmy4brats
06-06-2011, 11:57 PM
I was a very good girl and didn't comment on Dr. Vass on the trial thread, but I have to say that I absolutely adore him! Between his endearing speech impediment and his uncontrolled exuberance while talking about something he's obviously passionate about, I just can't help myself. I really think he came across so well today and all JB did was reinforce it.

Yes, the divining rods are a bit off, but so is a passion for decomposing bodies. The man is a scientist and many scientists I know are a bit "off" but he's just so intelligent and well spoken and adorable..

"I just love saying YAG" ..heehee.. Yep. He hit it right out of the park.

JB's whole meaty garbage theory went right out the window. IIRC, he doesn't have an expert to counter any of the damage (yeah, right) of Dr. Vass, right?

Mohabi
06-07-2011, 12:03 AM
I would love to know more about the child wrapped in a blanket that Dr. Vass studied. :(

I seem to recall a case where a mother drove around with her dead child in the trunk for three months, but I don't remember where it was, nor when.

Khaki_Pants
06-07-2011, 12:04 AM
Lurker alert!!!!

I watch the trial footage after the fact, not live. I also find the corresponding threads and keep up as I go along, (when I can.) I must say, I thank you all for the comentary as it helps me to feel an amount of comradery as I experience all the thoughts, feelings and emotions I have as I go through these "tapes."

So, I guess this is a "Thanks for being there with me" type statement, even though we were there at different times.

Thank you!
~Khaki

PS. I was in stitches tonight when I started to here JB's cross on Dr. Vass. I was laying carpet at the time but decided to quit and come to see what you all were saying as I listened. I knew it would be rewArding. TY. I don't even know whAt to say......

Rambling thoughts by,
~Khaki

strawberry
06-07-2011, 12:05 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-09-08-3951153388_x.htm

HTH

Wow. That is so sad. And the similariteis are astounding. It was a good control IMO. But sad.

Mohabi
06-07-2011, 12:06 AM
...and I was thinking, surely this man has something better to do. There really should be some rule that prevents an attorney to try a death penalty case if they're not death penalty qualified. I don't care if they have a DP attorney on board...he's not doing anything even remotely useful IMO. An attorney should be co-counsel on x number of cases before they can move to first chair. Watching Baez cut his teeth (so to speak) is just asking for trouble...for the defendent and for the State.

....and was JB being coached by the Ms. Roper look-alike attorney? Every time he had "no more questions" she seemed to either point him to the next question, or give it to him. Or... is someone texting him the next question to ask?

suzihawk
06-07-2011, 12:08 AM
Anyone a body language expert? Watching today's coverage and Dr. Vass's testimony, I was especially watching ICA reaction to what he was saying. When asked about the stages of decomposition, Dr. Vass said he would try not to be too morbid. ICA really raises her brows. Then when he gets to the 2nd stage, bloating, she looks away almost as though she is visualizing. Anyone else notice that?

I can't answer your question - sorry.

That's one thing I don't like about the WFTV coverage now that they have the separate 'Casey Cam'. I like to go back and re-watch some of the videos to catch some of the details I missed while trying to read and post here. But since they've implemented the 'Casey Cam', she's no longer shown on the main video that they post.

Does anyone know of any other source that has videos posted of the trial coverage besides WFTV? I know PattyG was posting them via youtube pretty regularly, but she hasn't posted them for a while now.

Mohabi
06-07-2011, 12:08 AM
Wow. That is so sad. And the similariteis are astounding. It was a good control IMO. But sad.

Yup, I recall hearing that on the news. That's the case I remembered.

Trapshooter
06-07-2011, 12:12 AM
I must've missed the part about the "divining rods". So is this a hobby for Dr. Vass?

I can personally speak from first hand experience that divining rods DO work!!! We live in the mountains and we had an older man come to our yard to help us find an underground spring. He used his divining rods to point out the spring, followed it and we marked it with flags. Sure enough, when my husband dug it up, there it was! Same spot the divining rods had shown!!!

I just have to say I "heart" Dr. Vass!!! He is so brilliant!!! I love that he LOVES his work! He is like an overly-excited child when he describes his work and results. I think his testimony was excellent and he explained every detail to the jury so they would understand it.

On the other hand, Baez simply batted a zero! All this talk of raw meat creating the fatty acids, etc. was hogwash! I am hoping the jury didn't give JB's remarks a second thought!

kantoo
06-07-2011, 12:13 AM
LOL the lady talking to GVS says JB made a fool of himself crossing AV. She said the jury loved AV. GVS is just still livin the OJ trial and saying the prosecution didn't need AV...overprosecution...saying it was stupid. Was GVS a defense attorney. Oh be quiet GVS. It wasn't too bad...she just wants to tout her experience with the OJ trial. She said the judge wouldn't let JB question AV about bias. The other lady said Bias? I'll tell you about Baez..he made a fool of himself. :lol:

I had recorded greta to see what she said....man what a disappointment. She has no idea that all this was already done before in a Frye hearing (almost verbatim to today). She's absolutely sure it will be appealable. Wow, i hate all these people showing up at the last minute and throwing their opinions around. and you know she didn't watch all of today's hearing.......just someone's cliff notes. jmo, i'm very disappointed in Greta.

Mohabi
06-07-2011, 12:17 AM
I must've missed the part about the "divining rods". So is this a hobby for Dr. Vass?

I can personally speak from first hand experience that divining rods DO work!!! We live in the mountains and we had an older man come to our yard to help us find an underground spring. He used his divining rods to point out the spring, followed it and we marked it with flags. Sure enough, when my husband dug it up, there it was! Same spot the divining rods had shown!!!

I just have to say I "heart" Dr. Vass!!! He is so brilliant!!! I love that he LOVES his work! He is like an overly-excited child when he describes his work and results. I think his testimony was excellent and he explained every detail to the jury so they would understand it.

On the other hand, Baez simply batted a zero! All this talk of raw meat creating the fatty acids, etc. was hogwash! I am hoping the jury didn't give JB's remarks a second thought!

I'm with you on the divining rods. They work for almost everyone, no faith required. I don't know HOW they work, but they do. In certain countries where current technology is not available, it's the ONLY way they can find water. I've seen it done many times and the rods turn even in my hands. I just don't know what the heck they're telling me. With this divining rod question JB wanted to coin Dr. Vass as a hoaxter. Shame on JB.

As for electronically leashed flies? Why not? We put tracking devices on dolphins, elephants, etc. etc. why not on flies?

Trapshooter
06-07-2011, 12:18 AM
I missed posting this morning during the trial thread. I have a quick question....did the Judge have to school Baez on something? Seems I heard that somewhere on tv today?

strawberry
06-07-2011, 12:18 AM
After watching the afternoon session, I think I know what CA is writing....she's taking notes to sue JB for ineffective counsel. IMO

MissJames
06-07-2011, 12:18 AM
I must've missed the part about the "divining rods". So is this a hobby for Dr. Vass?

I can personally speak from first hand experience that divining rods DO work!!! We live in the mountains and we had an older man come to our yard to help us find an underground spring. He used his divining rods to point out the spring, followed it and we marked it with flags. Sure enough, when my husband dug it up, there it was! Same spot the divining rods had shown!!!

I just have to say I "heart" Dr. Vass!!! He is so brilliant!!! I love that he LOVES his work! He is like an overly-excited child when he describes his work and results. I think his testimony was excellent and he explained every detail to the jury so they would understand it.

On the other hand, Baez simply batted a zero! All this talk of raw meat creating the fatty acids, etc. was hogwash! I am hoping the jury didn't give JB's remarks a second thought!

Short version,he never expected it to work,but he was able to locate several bodies (at the body farm,I think) and was amazed. Back in the trial thread,towards the end of his testimony,someone posted an article. Off to bed.

BigFatMommyDog
06-07-2011, 12:19 AM
....and was JB being coached by the Ms. Roper look-alike attorney? Every time he had "no more questions" she seemed to either point him to the next question, or give it to him. Or... is someone texting him the next question to ask?

O M G. I knew there was something about her, but I never put it together! Spot on!

FWIW - a lot of us saw JB looking at his phone just after he said he had no more questions ... and then and JUST ONE MORE QUESTION - oddly enough, all of his questions seemed to reiterate what LKB had said on TeeVee shortly before. This became even more suspect after LKB noted she felt like that (ICA) "was her baby up there!" Oy, just oy.

Trapshooter
06-07-2011, 12:20 AM
I'm with you on the divining rods. They work for almost everyone, no faith required. I don't know HOW they work, but they do. In certain countries where current technology is not available, it's the ONLY way they can find water. I've seen it done many times and the rods turn even in my hands. I just don't know what the heck they're telling me. With this divining rod question JB wanted to coin Dr. Vass as a hoaxter. Shame on JB.

As for electronically leashed flies? Why not? We put tracking devices on dolphins, elephants, etc. etc. why not on flies?

Thanks Mohabi!!!

Did JB ask Dr. Vass about divining rods? :waitasec: Was JB doing this hoping to make Dr. Vass seem a little weird? :furious: No matter, Dr. Vass will shine as a bright star in this trial for years & years!!!!

Trapshooter
06-07-2011, 12:21 AM
Short version,he never expected it to work,but he was able to locate several bodies (at the body farm,I think) and was amazed. Back in the trial thread,towards the end of his testimony,someone posted an article. Off to bed.

Thank you so much MissJames! :blowkiss:

GetSmart
06-07-2011, 12:21 AM
"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not to argue about it or to spend time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick along side it."
D. L. Moody


I really like this quote. I thought ICA when I read it..

strawberry
06-07-2011, 12:22 AM
I had recorded greta to see what she said....man what a disappointment. She has no idea that all this was already done before in a Frye hearing (almost verbatim to today). She's absolutely sure it will be appealable. Wow, i hate all these people showing up at the last minute and throwing their opinions around. and you know she didn't watch all of today's hearing.......just someone's cliff notes. jmo, i'm very disappointed in Greta.

I knew she had been very into this case back in 08 so I would check in when something interesting happened over the years...but her show was all politics and nothing about this case. I think she realized the case IS again a hot story and is behind the 8 ball. Plus she has GR's opinion plus she wants to use her experience with OJs trial in her commentary. The only good thing was she talked about CA and GA and how they are doing.

mydailyopinions
06-07-2011, 12:23 AM
O M G. I knew there was something about her, but I never put it together! Spot on!

FWIW - a lot of us saw JB looking at his phone just after he said he had no more questions ... and then and JUST ONE MORE QUESTION - oddly enough, all of his questions seemed to reiterate what LKB had said on TeeVee shortly before. This became even more suspect after LKB noted she felt like that (ICA) "was her baby up there!" Oy, just oy.

What a clear shame that is! Especially considering that Cheney Mason is sitting right there.:waitasec:

Khaki_Pants
06-07-2011, 12:23 AM
Slight newb question here, if it is ok....

I am watching the wftv archives. It does not offer split screen (Which I have heard of,) or any view of the defendant. Are the youtube archives different, or better, than this in that way?

Thanks in advance,
~Khaki

darnudes
06-07-2011, 12:24 AM
Did you see all that paperwork that ICA was happily signing in an early recess?

I so hope that was the subpeona for Dr Vass that was thwarted! :)

Amil
06-07-2011, 12:25 AM
Surprise! Surprise! I think Sims just wants to be able to say she was part of the Casey A. defense team. I don't understand why E. Fryer (?) is there either.

E.Frier is the only one on the defense team I can tolerate at the podium. She is competent and precise and she cites case law. I wish she was death qualified and the sole defense atty.

Turnadot
06-07-2011, 12:27 AM
Thanks Mohabi!!!

Did JB ask Dr. Vass about divining rods? :waitasec: Was JB doing this hoping to make Dr. Vass seem a little weird? :furious: No matter, Dr. Vass will shine as a bright star in this trial for years & years!!!!
IMO, yes, but it just made Dr Vass more endearing. He has an infectious personality and just the type of cool cat you'd expect to see with nth amount of brilliance and qualifications, yet breaking himself off a divining rod. He comes across as very earthy and so comfortable with himself and loves, loves, loves his work.

My opinion...

TexasLori
06-07-2011, 12:30 AM
Morning friends, late arriving..........I have a daughter similar to ICA and last night we had to take my granddaughter away. My heart is heavy but I gotta admit this case gave me and the rest of my family the strength and conviction to go get her. Please pray for us. Thanks for posting about today's trial. I'm here for the routine and escape at the moment while granddaughter rests. She's 3.

Big hugs Gma Kat. The spirit of Caylee is alive and well, and inspiring others to do good things.

RR0004
06-07-2011, 12:30 AM
....and was JB being coached by the Ms. Roper look-alike attorney? Every time he had "no more questions" she seemed to either point him to the next question, or give it to him. Or... is someone texting him the next question to ask?
No the best (and there were a lot) was when he was looking for a "yes" answer...and the good doctor said no...and Baez kept going clueless that he left Dr. Vass behind...having not answered the question the way he wanted him to. It was kinda like Baez giving a soliloquy. LOL

shelbar53
06-07-2011, 12:32 AM
Was she being snarky?

No casey wasn't being snarky. It looked liked she almost gave him a high 5 and said good job, she reached her right hand up to grab his hand. she was very pleased with baez.

yesterday morning she was sitting with her head tilted to the side giving baez long flirtatious looks, coy like, looking down then smiling. She was flirting. see if you can find yesterdays hearing, it was right in the begining before anything started.