View Full Version : 2011.06.06 TRIAL Day Eleven (Morning Session)
beach
06-06-2011, 08:25 AM
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beach
06-06-2011, 08:26 AM
I'm going to try to clarify a few things so hopefully we are a little clearer about what is okay to post in this thread and what is to be saved for Sidebar. Hope this helps. :)
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beach
06-06-2011, 08:28 AM
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Wise Old Owl
06-06-2011, 08:58 AM
Feed is up
ICA is in the courtroom
Thread is now open
Let's roll
Tulessa
06-06-2011, 08:58 AM
Links in my siggy.
Wise Old Owl
06-06-2011, 08:59 AM
All rise
Openmyeyes
06-06-2011, 08:59 AM
HHJP not wasting a minute today.
strawberry
06-06-2011, 08:59 AM
Hoping to see Dr. (not "Mr.") Vass today!
Jb already stating concerns about Dr. Vass...
Openmyeyes
06-06-2011, 09:00 AM
Wish I could say the same for Baez
PalmettoGirl
06-06-2011, 09:00 AM
Jose complaining about Dr. Vass again.
adb263
06-06-2011, 09:00 AM
Of course you have a matter to bring up Jose!!
luckyme
06-06-2011, 09:00 AM
Oh good lord here we go. Baez complaining about Dr Vass.
FaerieB
06-06-2011, 09:01 AM
Good morning all. I can't believe that JB is already harping on Dr. Vass' database.
redkatrampant
06-06-2011, 09:01 AM
JB is trying to muddy the waters wanting a DB that works with MS Word?
Um.....
pjmale
06-06-2011, 09:01 AM
Cry,Cry, Cry.
kathyn2
06-06-2011, 09:02 AM
There is ol JB. Trying to prevent evidence for getting in and whining whining whining again.
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 09:02 AM
Jose seems nervous. Holding a pen in his hand as he speaks.
jmfstl
06-06-2011, 09:02 AM
Jose states that the DT took his deposition on Friday.. He has been on the list for a long time why wait that long.
IfIMay
06-06-2011, 09:02 AM
wooohooo! DR. Vass!
mombomb
06-06-2011, 09:02 AM
JB addressing the Court regarding Dr. Voss's database. Database could contain exculpatory information to show that his testimony and opinions are not in conformity with his database and JB does not have the opportunity to cross examine him on this.
State calls Dr. Arpod Voss.
Jury coming in.
Whew! Barely made it...Powdered Donuts and Dr. Pepper in hand :)
adb263
06-06-2011, 09:02 AM
Is the defense saying they cant cross because they don't have MS Word?? color me confused!
FaerieB
06-06-2011, 09:02 AM
First up: Dr. Vass. :)
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 09:02 AM
Returning the jury. :)
LolaMoon08
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
:floorlaugh:Did Judge Perry just completely dismiss JB's whining session and ask the state "Who's the next witness??" That is how I took it.
PalmettoGirl
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
Wow, HHJP basically completely ignored Jose!
Cherry Baby
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
Like I said Saturday - how many bites of the apple does JB want? And when he gets down to the core and there's nothing left, what's he going to do then?
Oakley
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
Jose: "Dr Vass" whine whine whine
After a few seconds silence, HHJP: Okay, who will be the State's first witness?
State: DR Vass
jmfstl
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
HHJP: who will be the states first witness
JA: Dr Arpad Vass
*bang*
my2sense
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
Jose looks tired today
Jen38
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
Guess I was wrong..Dr Vass first!
IfIMay
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
Jose states that the DT took his deposition on Friday.. He has been on the list for a long time why wait that long.
they were allowed another depo due to some questions that arose from DR. Vass' testimony at the Frye hearings. Why they waited? It's Baez and Mason..
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
State's first witness, Dr. Arpad Vass.
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
I see Vass! :blowkiss:
truthsleuth
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
Jury coming in. Previous admonition given.
Dr. Vass getting on stand.
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
LOL--all CJBP says is "alright... who will be the state's first witness?"
JA: Dr. Arpad Vass.
WS: :great: :skip:
ahoyhoy
06-06-2011, 09:04 AM
Forensics!!! Yes!!!
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:05 AM
Senior research scientist. Oakridge for 20 years. Area of expertise: includes chemistry!
tehcloser
06-06-2011, 09:05 AM
He's an "iology" expert.
QueenD
06-06-2011, 09:05 AM
This will be a long morning with the dear Dr.
Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:05 AM
Dr. Vass.. http://209.85.62.25/3966/36/emo/girlynod.gif
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 09:06 AM
What a day this is going to be! Dr. Vass on the stand for at least a day! The jury will be transfixed - I hope! Love him.
First few minutes takes up his educational degrees.
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 09:06 AM
Wow, those are some impressive credentials!
(GO VOLS!)
Azcrabcakes
06-06-2011, 09:07 AM
Whoooo, I hope he is good! I did MY internship for Medical Technology at Fairfax Hospital! Looks like quite a few years before he was there though!
Morning Peeps, so good to see Dr. Vass starting the week off. I'll be in and out, my house needs some serious attention today.
nursebeeme
06-06-2011, 09:07 AM
we are not going to discuss accents. Thanks guys
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:07 AM
DT JUST deposed Vass Friday?
shelbar53
06-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Where is the link that always shows casey in the corner, picture in pic, my link says not available. TIA
barrysgirl
06-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Wow, those are some impressive credentials!
(GO VOLS!)
I'm in Oak Ridge. Every time I am out, I hope I run into him. My boys went to school with his son so they were all excited to see his testimony today. Not as excited as me though :woohoo:
(GO VOLS)
Blue Ridge
06-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Sounds like Dr Vass isn't fond of it being referred to as "the Body Farm"...lol
nikkiGcop
06-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Looks like JB is griping already. I think Dr. Vass will be one of the deciding factors of this case. There will be many I believe.
DT JUST deposed Vass Friday?
it was the second one...about the data base
SleuthinginSeattle
06-06-2011, 09:09 AM
Dr. Vass is already an inspiration. I bet his history and demeanor have everyone's attention.
adb263
06-06-2011, 09:09 AM
Poor JA still has a frog in his throat today!!
jmfstl
06-06-2011, 09:09 AM
MikeDeForest6 Mike DeForest
This historic testimony brought in by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, who was first in US history to introduce DNA in a trial. #CaseyAnthony
Insomnia Momma
06-06-2011, 09:09 AM
I love Dr. Vass! He is great at breaking things down so the average person can understand them. I think this will go over well with the jury!
Patience
06-06-2011, 09:09 AM
Casey in left hand corner of screen on www.wesh.com (http://www.wesh.com)
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 09:09 AM
http://i54.tinypic.com/11icw9x.jpg
darnudes
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
LOL, omg Baez is doing that weird thing with his mouth - he is pizzed!!!
Openmyeyes
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Carp, I wanted to see this and actually have to work today. Grrrrr. Hopefully, I can get back after lunch to see the fallout. Have fun everyone.
nursebeeme
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
we are not going to discuss accents. Thanks guys
:tos:
Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Where is the link that always shows casey in the corner, picture in pic, my link says not available. TIA
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Still discussing Dr. Vass's qualifications - love it!
Talking about Dr. Bass and working on discovering how long a body has been dead.
A very unique facility in 1989. The only facility in the world where you could study a whole body and it's decompositional results. Use test studies meaning human bodies donated.
Actual human bodies. Left outside.
Phoebeb
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
What other cases is Dr. Vass known for? You all seem to know hm so well.
RammerJammer
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Good morning everyone! Running here with breakfast in hand trying to catch up. Good to see Dr. Vass this morning. Should be an interesting day.
LaLaw2000
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
I do not think Baez will cross examine Dr. Vass. DCS will have to.
Patience
06-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Many preliminary questions.
LiveLaughLuv
06-06-2011, 09:11 AM
Where is the link that always shows casey in the corner, picture in pic, my link says not available. TIA
http://media2.myfoxorlando.com/live/casey_cam_shell.html
ICA appears a little deflated, doesn't she???
ahoyhoy
06-06-2011, 09:11 AM
I would LOVE to donate myself to science, if it helped in a trial like this!
Sorry, OT.
camcneishg
06-06-2011, 09:11 AM
Dr. Vass is sooooo very good at explaining.....I only wish he would speak directly at the jury as LE did.....but we can't have everything can we.....
eta: nevermind....LOL
Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:11 AM
I wouldn't want his job. http://209.85.62.25/3966/36/emo/nasty.gif
SleuthinginSeattle
06-06-2011, 09:11 AM
Casey nodded when Dr. Vass mentioned bodies in the trunk.
gngr~snap
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
Good Monday Morning everyone! I am fully prepared for my head to explode from the wealth of knowledge I will learn today from this man.
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
I believe Baez tried to object but JA said; "it's preliminary Judge" and shook his head. Dr. Vass continues.
snowshuze
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
Dr Vass and Mr Ashton are making medical/legal history as we watch. Amazing.
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
Mr. Ashton doing the questioning of Dr. Vass - still has his cold and a very dry throat. Hope he makes it through the day - coughing.
Hope you've finished your breakfast - we are discussing the four stages of decomposition.
Madeleine74
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
I don't know how he does what he does, but bless him for being able to do it and be such an amazing professional.
adb263
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
Dr. Vass is very good at talking in Laymens terms!! He is actually very riveting for a Scientist.
I do not think Baez will cross examine Dr. Vass. DCS will have to.
jb is doing the objections...he also exmined him during the frye hearing--his hand is currently very close to the mic to object......they are nervous
cityslick
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
Just FYI, this stuff may be disturbing for some people. Viewer discretion is advised.
Hey, the defense looks uncomfortable to me with this witness. I don't think kc likes his area of study.
Linda7NJ
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
http://media2.myfoxorlando.com/live/casey_cam_shell.html
ICA appears a little deflated, doesn't she???
Nah, imo she just looks bored, it's not about her.
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:12 AM
What other cases is Dr. Vass known for? You all seem to know hm so well.
We know him from the pretrial Frye hearings in this case.
jamiect
06-06-2011, 09:13 AM
Jurors seem very interested in this. They are taking notes and leaning toward Vass. #CaseyAnthony -fell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:11 AM
PalmettoGirl
06-06-2011, 09:13 AM
Looks like Dr. Vass is addressing the jury. I'm sure that won't go over well with the DT! lol
Azcrabcakes
06-06-2011, 09:13 AM
I L-O-V-E this man! He is speaking MY language! Nucleic acids, cellular metabolism..... <rush>
Phoebeb
06-06-2011, 09:13 AM
Casey nodded when Dr. Vass mentioned bodies in the trunk.
Nodded yes or no?
Patience
06-06-2011, 09:13 AM
Discussing what goes on with a body during the first stages of decomp.
Baez-This witness in not a biologist.
MyTinkieGirl
06-06-2011, 09:13 AM
IMO...yes, JB looks "less than amused"....and is waiting for ANY opportunity to object....IMO, even just to break up the questioning because he's so likeable...Dr. Vass, that is
OOOPPPS....there he goes....LOL
momshrink
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Where is the link that always shows casey in the corner, picture in pic, my link says not available. TIA
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Witness is not a biologist? Does JB understand that what Vass is saying is just basic college biology?
Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
JB is talking again. http://209.85.62.25/3966/36/emo/talk034.gif myself.
tehcloser
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
lol, Dr. Vass has "it"...........very riveting.
pjmale
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Baez objection.
HHJP OVERRULED again.
adb263
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Just FYI, this stuff may be disturbing for some people. Viewer discretion is advised.
I was just thinking the same thing. What a conversation to listen to first thing in the morning!
Patience
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Baez-This witness is not a chemist.
Overruled.
barrysgirl
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
I do not think Baez will cross examine Dr. Vass. DCS will have to.
oh dear, JB is doing the objection. surely he isn't going to do this cross. and omg, he's not a chemist? :innocent:
Oh CARP! The judge got pizzed at Baez! WOW!
Just FYI, this stuff may be disturbing for some people. Viewer discretion is advised.
just as I was eating some fruit......
FaerieB
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
HHJP sounded extremely frustrated when he said that "OVERruled!"
luckyme
06-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Judge has a short fuse with defense today!
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
He teaches courses don't forget.
ynotdivein
06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
Whoa! JB is not doing his case any favors objecting to this testimony. Wonder how the jury is taking CJBP's clear frustration with JB?
MissJames
06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
Dr. Vass is an amazing teacher !
LiveLaughLuv
06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
Baez object...narrative he's not a biologist...overruled
Baez objects again...narrative he's not a chemist...overruled..continue
I do not think Baez will cross examine Dr. Vass. DCS will have to.
Lord help us! Actually Baez has crossed a couple of witnesses that I thought Sims would - and perhaps should have, as he does not have the knowledge or vocabulary to be effective.
However Baez seems to have an immature vendetta against Dr. Vass (as he has had with others), and I think he cannot help himself but to get up there and try to get a personal "gotcha!" moment.
Such a child.
PalmettoGirl
06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
JB: This witness is not a chemist.
HHJP (very forcefully!): OVERRULED!
andalso
06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
JP sounds annoyed with JB
redkatrampant
06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
I have the feeling that JB is close to his first smackdown of the day.
objection
OVER RULED!
ha ha , gotta love it. They are squirming.
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 09:15 AM
Jose objects claiming; "the narrative and this witness is not a biologist".
HJBP: "Overruled."
Dr. Vass: "Does that mean I can continue?"
a few moments later...
Jose objects again. "The narrative and the witness is not a chemist."
HJBP: "Over. Ruled."
snowshuze
06-06-2011, 09:16 AM
I think Mr Baez intends to object/interrupt often enough to keep Dr Vass from completing a sentence.
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 09:16 AM
Dr. Vass is explaining this so clearly for the layperson!
HHJP just said "Overruled" to Baez in a very negative way.
He has now objected three times to Dr. Vass - "Not a Biologist" Overruled. "Not A Chemist" Overruled. Didn't hear the third objection. Overruled.
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:16 AM
Is JB going to go through every "ist" that he thinks Vass is not//chemist, biologist, physicist, blah blah
Morning everyone!!
What a wonderful wake up call!!! Dr. Vass!!!!!!!!!! I so puffy heart this man!!!! :)
jmfstl
06-06-2011, 09:16 AM
InSession In Session
#CaseyAnthony defense attorney Jose Baez raises frequent objections, but Dr. Vass' decomposition testimony goes on.
ZsaZsa
06-06-2011, 09:17 AM
Baez object...narrative he's not a biologist...overruled
Baez objects again...narrative he's not a chemist...overruled..continue
JB was not listening when he said he is a Forensic Scientist.
Even better...
nursebeeme
06-06-2011, 09:17 AM
Dr. V saying that when an organism dies the cells do not realize this and continue to function and they give off CO2 which is acidic. The CO2 builds up (the acid). One structure in a cell is called a lysosome. It is surrounded by a single membrane. Because the cell is becoming acidic the organelles with a single membrane burst first... so the cells begin to digest themselves. This is auto digestion and blisters form on the skin. The cells are now liquid so you see skin slippage.
Whoa! JB is not doing his case any favors objecting to this testimony. Wonder how the jury is taking CJBP's clear frustration with JB?
I'm wondering that too. Surely it's not being lost on them.
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:17 AM
Whoa! JB is not doing his case any favors objecting to this testimony. Wonder how the jury is taking CJBP's clear frustration with JB?
Saturday someone tweeted that the jury smirked when HHJP spoke sternly to JB.
I must say, JB seems to have a personal hatred for Vass. His disdain is apparent.
Gracenote
06-06-2011, 09:17 AM
This is really fascinating (and I may never eat again :sick:)
I think he will be a key witness both because he is so knowledgeable, and because he will confuse the defense attorney beyond belief.
Say what now?...........lipids and carbohydrates?...
adb263
06-06-2011, 09:17 AM
JB must have a read an article on interrupting the flow of witnesses. He is really good at it!!
downport
06-06-2011, 09:17 AM
She made a strange face when he mentioned the "bloat stage". I'm assuming Caylee was in this stage when she was bagged.
Stages of decomposition
Early Stage:
Autolysis - self digestion. Cells continue metabolizing after the death. One of the byproducts of metabolism is CO2. Usually removed by cells by circulation & respiration, but if those cease after death, CO2 builds up inside cells. CO2 is acidic. Lysosome is an organelle inside the cell is surrounded by a single membrane. Because the cell is becoming acidic, the lysosome is among the first structure to break down, and the enzymes inside it begin digesting the cell from the inside out. This is autolysis.
Interior of cell liquified is nutrient-rich. Surface of the skin becomes loose and sloughs off the body. The nutrient rich fluids give the body a moist appearance. This allows second major decomp stage to begin.
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Unbelievable. I just saw CM whispering to Baez before he just spoke! I have a feeling CM is "helping" Baez with these objections.
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Oh Oh - Skin slippage and loosen as the blisters ruptures and the liquid comes to the surface = putrification.....
Dr. Vass is describing the outward appearance in the very early stages of decomp.
I wonder if someone is having flashbacks.
miss plum
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
It is my uneducated guess that the defense is undergoing the bloat stage of decomposition.
Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
He uses his hands a lot, to emphasize certain points. Captivating testimony. Clearly, he's a professor.
fifteen89
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
HHJP sounded extremely frustrated when he said that "OVERruled!"
LOL! It almost sounded like OVER.....RULED.
And maybe he's getting frushtrated??
jmfstl
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
IMO Baez is getting these objections on the record for future appeals.
Tipstaff
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Dr. Vass said he 'likes a challenge' good thing because he is going to have to be able sustain his thoughts in spite of JB's constant objections to disrupt his train of thought. Grrrrrrrrrrrr...
nursebeeme
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
putrifaction is the next process where other things feed on the fluids (from the skin, surroundings etc)...
jamiect
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Vass is talking about skin falling off bodies as decomp sets in. Jurors have their "poker faces" on -don't look phased by this morbid talk.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:18 AM
redkatrampant
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Dr. V saying that when an organism dies the cells do not realize this and continue to function and they give off CO2 which is acidic. The CO2 builds up (the acid). One structure in a cell is called a lysosome. It is surrounded by a single membrane. Because the cell is becoming acidic the organelles with a single membrane burst first... so the cells begin to digest themselves. This is auto digestion and blisters form on the skin. The cells are now liquid so you see skin slippage.
He is so good. Not boring to listen to, explains it so we can understand, but is not condescending at all!
Just K
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
It's disgusting that society is inadvertently educating ICA on the State's dime. She is getting a very good education for free in both law and forensic science...
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:18 AM
JBs just pizzed because he's lost in the 8th grade biology lesson.
angeldust
06-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Loving DR Vass he not getting phased with dt shenanigans jb interupting him to throw him off his testimony
What i dont understand is he has 20 years in this area and JB saying he not qualified to speak about it wtf
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 09:19 AM
lol, Dr. Vass has "it"...........very riveting.
Yep. If he were one of my college professors, he'd definitely be a fav. Makes the subject interesting and accessible.
PalmettoGirl
06-06-2011, 09:19 AM
JA: Lovely breakfast conversation. lol!
MissJames
06-06-2011, 09:19 AM
JB must hate him.He is very easy to understand and very likeable = trustworthy.
Dr.Vass looks earnestly at the jury as he talks.
whiteangora
06-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Baez object...narrative he's not a biologist...overruled
Baez objects again...narrative he's not a chemist...overruled..continue
When Dr Vass first began testifying I saw Baez with his index finger against his forehead in that 'I want to shoot myself from boredom' gesture. He then grinned at DCS. That was one of the most ignorant things he has done thus far and I hope the jury saw it.
andalso
06-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Is the jury allowed to ask any questions at any point in time if they don't understand certain things? Or are they only allowed to have direct testimony read back to them?
Patience
06-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Discussing bloat sage-really have to pay attention. Casey looks bored.
Dr. Vass -I love my subject.
LiveLaughLuv
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
I wonder if ICA is putting this together with how she viewed Caylee's deceased remains...I do hope she is reliving it but of course, no emotions from her...
Wait until Dr. G takes the stand and those jurors view the skeletal remains of Caylee with that duct tape over her airways....JMHO
tiredofthis
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
The witness is laughing...
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Vass: "Sorry, I love my subject." :)
luckyme
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
She made a strange face when he mentioned the "bloat stage". I'm assuming Caylee was in this stage when she was bagged.
Yes. watch her very closely. I hope jurors are watching her.
suzihawk
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
"I love my subject." (Dr. Vass) :)
Jen38
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Oh, Casey is ticked this morning....remembering what you saw, KC? I hope this bothers the heck out of her......
pjmale
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
ICA trying to make eye contract with someone sitting in the court room.
PalmettoGirl
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Dr. Vass says he loves his subject. That is very apparent. I love him!
darnudes
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Baez is saying to Mason - "Make him stop"
It's really quite pathetic that Baez has to follow along on his phone via texts - from, I'm assuming LKB and others - in order to know when to object and what to say. CM is obviously just sitting there and not prompting him.
I guess that will thwart any "ineffective assistance of counsel" that they may whine about afterwards. Baez may certainly be ineffective (the nicest thing I can say and not get me thrown off of here), but her 783 OTHER attorneys and the off-site-off-the-record attorney helpers (trying to gain credit, although Baez will never give credit as he is in this for HIMSELF) should be able to put together some kind of credible effort.
I think Mr Baez intends to object/interrupt often enough to keep Dr Vass from completing a sentence.
Yes, that appears to be his strategy.
Unbelievable. I just saw CM whispering to Baez before he just spoke! I have a feeling CM is "helping" Baez with these objections.
Oh he's "helping" him alright! :floorlaugh: Both of them are out of their league with this doctor! Dr Vass is Da Bomb!
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
We've heard HHJP's voice a number of times this morning, but has he said anything besides "overruled"? I think not.... LOL
angeldust
06-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Dr Vass I Love my subject lol go him, stands to reason when u love your job ur usually very good at it x a
jmfstl
06-06-2011, 09:21 AM
Baez objects again "Predicate" ??
redkatrampant
06-06-2011, 09:21 AM
#CaseyAnthony Vass talks fast and court reporter can't keep up. Vass laughs and apologetically says, "I love my subject!"
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 9:20 AM
Putrification is second stage... starts to liquefy.
Bloat stage: when microbes in intestinal tract start to increase in number because of all the nutrients being released from decomposing tissues. One of the byproducts (waste products) of bacterial metabolism is gas production. Ammonia, methane, etc.
Sometimes in death the body exits (colon, etc) get blocked and gasses can't escape and build up in abdomen, or wherever bacteria is present and exits are blocked. Eventually those gasses will find their way out.
kathyn2
06-06-2011, 09:21 AM
Dr. Vass is very likeable and very intelligent sounding. He should be a great witness. Baez must be having a cow. Dr. Voss is way beyond Baez.
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 09:21 AM
Now discussing active decay. We've finished with the discussion of bloat.
MyTinkieGirl
06-06-2011, 09:21 AM
Ummmmm.....NOW is when you should be crying, KC!!!!
momof7
06-06-2011, 09:21 AM
Wow...excellent witness. Very simplified way of explaining things. I actually understand it !
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:21 AM
Watch ICA toss her breakfast.
gelfie68
06-06-2011, 09:22 AM
Baez objects again "Predicate" ??
I know I heard that too, I thought-Wow, now he is objecting to the grammar use of the witness?
truthsleuth
06-06-2011, 09:22 AM
I love Dr. Voss. He knows his stuff!
Patience
06-06-2011, 09:22 AM
Discussing active decay.
Discussing Final stage -Dry skeleton stage
Eidetic
06-06-2011, 09:22 AM
Dr. Vass: "When someone dies occasionaly the rectal region and the esophagus can become occluded (blocked) when that situation happens the gases that are produced have no place to escape so the gasses build up in the abdomen giving the appearance of bloating. It doesn't necessarily have to be the abdomen, but wherever the gasses build up."
Dr.Fessel
06-06-2011, 09:22 AM
Casey's eyes lit up when breakfast was mentioned.
Active decay: Major process in decomposition. Major liquification of soft tissues (like organs). Leads to final stage of dry or skeletal condition. No more nutrients for bacteria to eat, body is dried out.
Phoebeb
06-06-2011, 09:23 AM
Dr. Vass is describing the outward appearance in the very early stages of decomp.
I wonder if someone is having flashbacks.
I think she looks mildly interested in all this. Maybe she's thinking "Oh, THAT'S what all the fluid was..."
Tipstaff
06-06-2011, 09:23 AM
Loving DR Vass he not getting phased with dt shenanigans jb interupting him to throw him off his testimony
What i dont understand is he has 20 years in this area and JB saying he not qualified to speak about it wtf
JB is showing just how frightened the defense is with his constant objections and surely the jury will see this. :twocents:
http://i55.tinypic.com/2a6a4hd.jpg
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:23 AM
Um yeah he really sounds like a non-expert. Not.
Shadow5618
06-06-2011, 09:23 AM
My Man! Dr. Vass! The one I've been waiting to hear from! Go Dr. Vass!
akashana
06-06-2011, 09:23 AM
This guy really breaks it down well (pun intended). Sounds professorial.
Gracenote
06-06-2011, 09:23 AM
Baez is clearly very agitated. Why? Is there something about this testimony that hurts the case or is he just nauseous? Sadly we know this is what happened to Caylee as it will to us all.
Blue Ridge
06-06-2011, 09:24 AM
Vass is talking about skin falling off bodies as decomp sets in. Jurors have their "poker faces" on -don't look phased by this morbid talk.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:18 AM
I am glad the jury is handling it well. I also hope GA and CA aren't in court yet today because hearing all this they'd surely have to be thinking of baby Caylee going thru all this :(
jamiect
06-06-2011, 09:24 AM
Lots of notes taken by jurors as Vass goes on and on. Vass says he could talk about this non stop. #CaseyAnthony -fell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:23 AM
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 09:24 AM
What accelerates decomp?
Heat, water, ph, presence of oxygen.
Dr. Vass is very likeable and very intelligent sounding. He should be a great witness. Baez must be having a cow. Dr. Voss is way beyond Baez.
The jury is trying to listen - they'll get annoyed by JB's objections, just like we are
jmo
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TexasDoll
06-06-2011, 09:24 AM
Makes me want to throw up my breakfast. (I'm pregnant so it's a double whammy!)
Dr. Vass is doing an excellent job breaking this down and explaning to the jurors. This is very interesting to listen to. I just wish we weren't talking about a sweet 2 year old baby girl.:(
Tulessa
06-06-2011, 09:24 AM
I can't take my eyes off of him long enough to post. This is FASCINATING!!
Dr. V: when someone dies the rectal region can be occluded , blocked, so gases build in abdominal region, causing appearance of abdominal bloat, eventually finds a way out as body decomposes. After bloat is active decay where the the organs & tissue liquefy. The final stage is skeletal.
Dr. V is very easy to follow and is explaining things so a 5th grader can follow. I imagine the jury will feel about him pretty much how most of us feel about him here.
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:24 AM
Higher temperature accelerates decomp.
camcneishg
06-06-2011, 09:25 AM
wonder who she is looking at in the court room??
PalmettoGirl
06-06-2011, 09:25 AM
I wanted to go back to bed, but I'm so captivated by Dr. Vass' testimony. I'm a biologist and I still find him facinating!
gelfie68
06-06-2011, 09:25 AM
I love how he is breaking this down into BASIC science terms. If they all (Jury) paid attention in science class from elementary school through HS. They can understand ALL of this.
4realtho
06-06-2011, 09:25 AM
Dr. Vass is very passionate about his work and it shows...We're all getting educated right along with the jury.
Madeleine74
06-06-2011, 09:25 AM
Memo to self: don't ever decompose
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:26 AM
Baez is clearly very agitated. Why? Is there something about this testimony that hurts the case or is he just nauseous? Sadly we know this is what happened to Caylee as it will to us all.
B/c instead of stopping at "it was an accident" the DT drafted a soap opera plot about GA disposing of the body...Vass will show there was a body in ICA's trunk.
2goldfish
06-06-2011, 09:27 AM
oooohhhhhhh
he's the best witness ever.....I hope he is on the stand for the entire month <3
Nali87
06-06-2011, 09:27 AM
Science is ever evolving. Over a couple of year hairbands, analysing the scent of decomposing bodies and all of this will be just as common and widely accepted as DNA, imo.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2crvf61.jpg
jmfstl
06-06-2011, 09:27 AM
AmandaOberWESH Amanda Ober
#CaseyAnthony For those of you asking, yes, George and Cindy are in court this morning
bonjoviblonde
06-06-2011, 09:28 AM
Dr. Vass is the BEST witness!
I hope the jury watches Jose. He acts like a child. Pouts and smirks like a 5 year old when he's unhappy with something. His ego is huge and I believe he takes everything in this trial personally. This is all about him and him only.
luckyme
06-06-2011, 09:28 AM
Wow im watching defense table. They look very nervous.
ZsaZsa
06-06-2011, 09:28 AM
Baez is clearly very agitated. Why? Is there something about this testimony that hurts the case or is he just nauseous? Sadly we know this is what happened to Caylee as it will to us all.
DR V is about to identify some of the chemicals of decomposition that were found in the trunk and it is not too complicated for the Jury to understand.
JB's vocabulary is limited to "that is Junk Science".
countzero
06-06-2011, 09:28 AM
Jeanne is taking notes.
luckyme
06-06-2011, 09:29 AM
Does anybody know which of the Anthonys are in the courtroom today? TIA!
They both are!
Patience
06-06-2011, 09:29 AM
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/052311-casey-anthony-trial-courtroom-pics/1/lg/5714324276_b5da7f63c4_b.htm
Black Magic Woman
06-06-2011, 09:29 AM
Casey is certainly looking POed this morning!
Just K
06-06-2011, 09:29 AM
It is my uneducated guess that the defense is undergoing the bloat stage of decomposition.
This sums it up in one fine analogy!
Tipstaff
06-06-2011, 09:30 AM
Higher temperature accelerates decomp.
Central Florida is horrible during July, July, August, Sept. and October. Finally near Halloween the weather starts to break but the temps and humidity in central Florida are consistently in the low 90's mid day and after typical torrential downpours late afternoon the evening temps are 80 degrees and high humidity.
SleuthinginSeattle
06-06-2011, 09:30 AM
I would love to meet Dr. Vass for a coffee sometime. He sounds so intelligent and driven. He makes me want to go to college forever and I haven't even been yet.
MissJames
06-06-2011, 09:30 AM
http://i53.tinypic.com/2crvf61.jpg
WOW! Speaks volumes! I'd be crying my eyes out imagining my baby !
Linda7NJ
06-06-2011, 09:31 AM
Dr. Vass is the BEST witness!
I hope the jury watches Jose. He acts like a child. Pouts and smirks like a 5 year old when he's unhappy with something. His ego is huge and I believe he takes everything in this trial personally. This is all about him and him only.
and just think, the jury heard George's & Lee's commentary on Jose on those jailhouse tapes. Even tho jurors were instructed not to consider it as fact...you know it will ring true in their ears
TexasDoll
06-06-2011, 09:31 AM
I'm loving all this stuff! Dr. Vass is great. <modsnip>
Patience
06-06-2011, 09:31 AM
Vass going beyone the debrief part-too smart for me.
Wow im watching defense table. They look very nervous.
And they should be. Dr. Vass is going to kill them with his testimony. The jury is getting the science that PROVES there was a dead body in the trunk.
mombomb
06-06-2011, 09:31 AM
Direct examination of Dr. Arpad Voss by JA.
He's a senior research scientist at Oakridge National Laboratory - been there almost 20 years. He then listed his education. His Ph.D. dissertation was developed around Dr. Bass's work at the Body Farm in the area of forensic anthropology - post mortem interval - determining how long someone has been dead. This was in the late 1980's.
The Oakridge facility - in the early eighties it was the only facility in the world where you could study a whole body decompositional event - 1.5 acres in size. Began in 1972. 1100 test subjects - bodies donated to science - left outside under various conditions - some in cars, some buried and some on the surface.
Post-mortem intervals - his initial research was looking at the chemical breakdown of soft tissue - analyzed decompositional fluid to determine how long an individual was dead.
4 stages of decomp - fresh, bloat, active decay and dry. Fresh stage - 2 processes - autolosys (self-digestion process) After sudden death, the cells don't realize the body is dead and they continue to metabolize - byproduct is carbon dioxide which builds up in the cells and is acidic.
JB objected and HHBP overruled.
Cells are breaking down and becoming acidic. Blisters occur and then skin slippage. One of the first visual signs that something is amiss. This gives the body a moisture laden appearance. This allows the second process of decomp - putrifaction - where microscopic organisms now feed on the nutrient rich fluid. The organisms can come from inside or outside the body. Decomposition is the liquification of the body.
Bloat stage - when micro organisms in the intestinal track produce gas.
Objection by JB - overruled.
When someone dies the rectal region and esophagus can become blocked. The gases then have no place to escape, so it builds up in the abdominal region, causing appearance of a bloated abdomen.
Final stage is active decay - the major 40 to 80% of the decomp process - liquification, leading to the dry stage - mummification and skelatinization.
Four processes that are important in the rate of decomp - temp most important, then presence of water, then ph, then the presence of oxygen.
Higher temp excelerates decomp.
His study looked at the liquids. Learned fat and muscle breaks down into volatile fatty acids. There was one publication on this - in that was the analysis of inorganic components. A variety of inorganic components could be used to determine how long a person has been dead. First paper was published in 1992.
First 10 years at Oakridge was looking at a variety of methods to look at volatile fatty acids.
He received his phD in 1991, then went to work at Oakridge.
The Oakridge National Lab is under the Dept of Energy, largest research laboratory. Roughly 4000 employees, guest researchers. Key areas of research which require multi-disciplanary teams looking at climate change, bio-fuels. (JA to witness - I think you just went past the "be brief" part.)
Mendara
06-06-2011, 09:32 AM
I love Dr. Vass such a smart man.
PalmettoGirl
06-06-2011, 09:32 AM
An aside about ORNL, they also provide internships for new college graduates to get experience in their fields. Excellent organization.
logicalgirl
06-06-2011, 09:33 AM
Dr. Vass is so fascinating I forgot the promise I made to myself to count the number of Baez's objections. Must be up to ten by now. With the same number of "overruled".
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:33 AM
Love it! As a RESEARCH SCIENTIST has to have knowledge of several disciplines. More than the average person.
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 09:33 AM
I wish Dr. Vass could go on all day. Fascinating.
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:33 AM
JA seems to enjoy Vass as well.
LiveLaughLuv
06-06-2011, 09:33 AM
DCS just showed Baez something on her hand held electronic device, not sure what it is she's holding....
If Baez cross examines this witness, then for sure, this is all about him....JMHO
lib's mom
06-06-2011, 09:33 AM
JB is sitting on that microphone button like he's a contestant on Jeopardy! LOL!
darcedarce
06-06-2011, 09:33 AM
Makes me want to throw up my breakfast. (I'm pregnant so it's a double whammy!)
Me too! I was trying not to think about the banana bread on my plate/in my mouth with some of this talk...I'm 31 weeks...
ZsaZsa
06-06-2011, 09:34 AM
Casey is certainly looking POed this morning!
Yes! JB just spoke to her, got no response, talked to DS, they both looked at ICA then JB shrugged and looked back at his laptop.
Just K
06-06-2011, 09:34 AM
Right now the conversations, facial expressions and tossing about of files at the DT table is just coming off as EXTREMELY RUDE! The jury will see this.
MissJames
06-06-2011, 09:34 AM
I can only get CNN Live on my Mac's and they don't split screen, so any screen shots of ICA / defense are appreciated!
RedSox Mom
06-06-2011, 09:34 AM
Mr Baez needs to work on his poker face. He's sending the jury a message with his movements....and I think they're lean towards a negative connotation.
Detection of clandestine graves.
One juror is taking notes. All appear to be playing close attention to to Dr. Vass's testimony. #fox35
by anthonycase via twitter at 6:30 AM (PDT)
Dr. V now talking about clandestine graves.
nursebeeme
06-06-2011, 09:35 AM
I think his invention is going to come up! I am so glad! JA will get the truth on the record
Mountain_Kat
06-06-2011, 09:35 AM
Vass moved on to the subject of detecting clandestine graves!!
Wow. What a field that must be!
bobloblaw
06-06-2011, 09:36 AM
He just said cadaver dogs were not very effective at finding clandestine graves...
SleuthinginSeattle
06-06-2011, 09:36 AM
He is basically saying he took every class and read every book in that field. He certainly has the jury at full attention since he is an expert expert!
"clandestine grave-I haven't heard that term before. I am glad they are discussing ground density meters now, that's something I've really wondered about, since a lot of theories say ICA tried to bury her in the backyard.
ZsaZsa
06-06-2011, 09:36 AM
I can only get CNN Live on my Mac's and they don't split screen, so any screen shots of ICA / defense are appreciated!
InSessions has split screen today - you can watch ICA sulk andJB smirk..:innocent:
jmfstl
06-06-2011, 09:37 AM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Oak Ridge National Lab is in TN. Check out cfnews13.com/casey to see Adam Longo's exclusive tour of the lab known as the body farm. -fell
downport
06-06-2011, 09:37 AM
Ummmmm.....NOW is when you should be crying, KC!!!!
When he began in depth explination of liquification she appeared to say to Baez 'this is gross'.
heartfortruth
06-06-2011, 09:37 AM
I know the DT can read all this later if they want but it seems to me they should be paying close attention instead of talking, passing notes, making faces (JB) as they MIGHT need this information at some later date if they continue to practice law and this is their best chance to hear all that Dr. Vass can teach them.????
naive of me, huh?
MissJames
06-06-2011, 09:37 AM
Yes! JB just spoke to her, got no response, talked to DS, they both looked at ICA then JB shrugged and looked back at his laptop.
I imagine they are reading our comments on a cell phone and making a half hearted attempt to get ICA to look sad and horrified ,instead of PO'd at Dr. Vass.
Inn the gallery- spectators- some returning. Including a man in a neck brace. He's been here at least 3 days. #CaseyAnthony -fell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 6:36 AM (PDT)
Bravo
06-06-2011, 09:38 AM
Anyone hear anything on George's medical records? Thought it was to be heard on Saturday. Nothing????
MissDiva
06-06-2011, 09:38 AM
Listening to this incredible testimony is making me feel like a complete idiot in my own life!
strawberry
06-06-2011, 09:38 AM
Right now the conversations, facial expressions and tossing about of files at the DT table is just coming off as EXTREMELY RUDE! The jury will see this.
Where are you seeing this? WESH is just showing ICA statue.
jamiect
06-06-2011, 09:38 AM
#CaseyAnthony Jury listening closely and making eye contact w/Vass.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:37 AM
pjmale
06-06-2011, 09:38 AM
Baez looks like he has ants in his pants, can't stay still .
#CaseyAnthony Vass says they would bury bodies, install piping system around them, monitored which chemicals migrated upward
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 6:37 AM
kathyn2
06-06-2011, 09:38 AM
I wonder why Baez is talking so animatedly this morning instead of listening to Vass??? He doesn't even appear to be listening to see what he is up against. Its like he has his shoddy questions already to go to Vass. I think he is trying to get the jury to look at him instead of Dr. Vass.
Dr.V: buried bodies and put pipes in various places around the body to the surface. Allowed for the development of instrumentation to detect the variuos compounds that came to the surface. (I'm paraphrasing here)
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