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Starr58
06-09-2011, 07:56 PM
Bill and Lorraine Currier were last seen by their coworkers at about 5 p.m. Wednesday, according to the Essex Police Department.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110609/NEWS02/110609037/Police-Essex-couple-s-disappearance-suspicious?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

gnomony
06-09-2011, 08:28 PM
Any idea where those coworkers work?

Starr58
06-10-2011, 07:11 AM
[QUOTE=gnomony;6647586]Any idea where those coworkers work?[/QUOTE

William Currier, works at the University of Vermont, and his wife, Lorraine Currier, works for Fletcher Allen Health Care

Starr58
06-10-2011, 07:13 AM
This morning, members of the Vermont Department of Public Safety’s mobile crime lab will arrive at the residence to conduct a more exhaustive search for clues, Murtie said. Authorities will also search the couple’s telephone and bank records, which is a natural step in a missing persons’ case, he said.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110609/NEWS02/110609037/Essex-police-searching-home-missing-couple?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Starr58
06-10-2011, 01:55 PM
The search for a missing Essex couple continues.

Police say Bill Currier, 49, and Lorraine Currier, 55, went missing sometime between 5 p.m. Wednesday and 10 a.m. Thursday.

http://www.wcax.com/story/14882641/state-investigators-join-search-for-missing-essex-couple?redirected=true

Starr58
06-10-2011, 01:57 PM
State Police have joined the scene at the home of a missing Essex couple this morning. At about 10:30 a.m. two state police detectives were going door to door talking to neighbors on Colbert Street.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110610/NEWS02/110610007/Town-state-police-crime-lab-house-missing-Essex-couple-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Starr58
06-10-2011, 04:26 PM
The car of a missing Essex couple was found in Vermont, said police, but they would not say where.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110610/NEWS02/110610007/-1/NEWS/Car-missing-Essex-couple-found-Vermont

Starr58
06-11-2011, 06:58 AM
Police found the car belonging to a missing Essex couple Friday, parked less than 2 miles from the home of Bill and Lorraine Currier.


http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110610/NEWS02/110610007/Car-missing-Essex-couple-found-near-their-home?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

summer_breeze
06-11-2011, 11:02 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/11/police-in-vermont-search-for-missing-couple/

Published June 11, 2011
| FoxNews.com

<snipped>
Police searched their home Thursday night and found a broken window and other indications that something may be amiss.

Starr58
06-11-2011, 07:53 PM
At an apartment complex on Vermont 15, residents said police had removed a Dumpster from their parking lot, the place where the car belonging to Bill and Lorraine Currier was found abandoned on Friday


http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110611/NEWS02/110611004/Police-continue-search-missing-Essex-couple?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Starr58
06-12-2011, 06:05 PM
Relatives of a missing Essex couple appealed to the public for help Sunday.
It's been almost five days since Bill and Lorraine Currier's relatives reported them missing. On Sunday they made an emotional plea for help.

http://www.wcax.com/story/14890221/curriers-relatives-plea-for-help?redirected=true

gnomony
06-12-2011, 06:29 PM
Not sure how anyone can help unless someone releases something more in the way of information. I suppose they are reaching out to coworkers who might recall an odd phone call or comment, or to neighbors who might have seen something unusual. But it's a tad frustrating to be asked to help without being given any suggestions as to how.

gnomony
06-13-2011, 08:16 AM
http://www.fox44now.com/story/14890461/family-of-missing-couple-pleads-for-help

TickleB
06-13-2011, 10:01 AM
I've been dreading signing on here because I knew this thread would be here. I'm from VT, my fiance worked with Bill. I'll never forget thursday, when he came home and said, Bill is missing. He didn't show up for work today and that's not like him. And it's not, Bill has worked there 20+ yrs. And he's a diabetic, he has to take his meds everyday. Him and his wife went to work together and they came home together.

Starr58
06-13-2011, 11:40 AM
Acting Police Chief Brad LaRose said Sunday night that investigators expect to collect "a boatload" of videos at various businesses near their home off Susie Wilson Road and on Pearl Street, where the couple car was found


http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110613/NEWS02/106130306/Essex-police-review-videotapes-from-businesses-search-missing-couple?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

TickleB
06-13-2011, 12:15 PM
The gun that is missing, my fiance told me that Bill might have bought that a few days/week prior to them disappearing.

How do two grown adults just vanish? No one heard a thing, not even the glass shattering, or anyone seeing the phone wires getting cut. No one seen anything when the car left but they seen them get home from work.

A neighbors dog was acting very strange and she didn't bother to look to see what was making the dog so irritable.

K9-Chaser
06-13-2011, 03:51 PM
The gun that is missing, my fiance told me that Bill might have bought that a few days/week prior to them disappearing.

How do two grown adults just vanish? No one heard a thing, not even the glass shattering, or anyone seeing the phone wires getting cut. No one seen anything when the car left but they seen them get home from work.

A neighbors dog was acting very strange and she didn't bother to look to see what was making the dog so irritable.

TickleB, what is the 'word' around that area on what people think happened? Is it more of a thought of abduction; personal differences within the marriage resulting in taking off; taking off with the thought of doing harm to the other person? Their leaving just doesn't seem to make sense.

K9-Chaser
06-13-2011, 03:54 PM
Not sure how anyone can help unless someone releases something more in the way of information. I suppose they are reaching out to coworkers who might recall an odd phone call or comment, or to neighbors who might have seen something unusual. But it's a tad frustrating to be asked to help without being given any suggestions as to how.

Has it been established that the Currier's (or one of them) actually left the vehicle where it was parked? Have there been any trailing dogs used where the vehicle was located?

Starr58
06-13-2011, 04:34 PM
Police used specially trained dogs Monday in their search for clues in the case of a missing Essex couple.

http://www.wcax.com/story/14893965/police-k-9-teams-search-essex-woods?redirected=true

Starr58
06-13-2011, 04:36 PM
Essex Police Monday morning had no new information to release regarding last week’s disappearance of William and Lorriane Currier.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110613/NEWS02/110613018/Essex-Police-review-tips-case-couple-s-disappearance?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

K9-Chaser
06-13-2011, 05:29 PM
Police used specially trained dogs Monday in their search for clues in the case of a missing Essex couple.

http://www.wcax.com/story/14893965/police-k-9-teams-search-essex-woods?redirected=true

Looks like airscent dogs were used to check the surrounding area which is great. But it didn't say that trailing dogs were used.

TickleB
06-13-2011, 06:20 PM
TickleB, what is the 'word' around that area on what people think happened? Is it more of a thought of abduction; personal differences within the marriage resulting in taking off; taking off with the thought of doing harm to the other person? Their leaving just doesn't seem to make sense.

Everyone I have talked to about this case is leaning towards abduction. The garage window was broken, and the telephone wire was cut and all the medication they take daily was left behind. The police said the first day " The couple left very hastily "

Their car was left abandoned about 2 miles from their home. The gun Bill bought not too long ago is missing from the home. Bill and his wife both didn't show up for work, and they are both considered very good people. I do know that it has this town ruffled and a lot of people are gathering as a community to help in any way we can.

But I searched a bit and there was a robbery in Essex I have no clue if it is or could be related, but it's in the same vicinity.


A man displaying a handgun entered and attempted to rob the Simon's Mobil store on Colchester Road in Essex at about 9:45 p.m. Thursday, police said. The man left without any money and was last seen on foot on Colchester Road, according to police. Police described the suspect as about 6 feet tall, 180-200 pounds, wearing a black ski mask, white T-shirt and blue jeans.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110611/NEWS02/106110319/-1/RSS

K9-Chaser
06-13-2011, 09:28 PM
Everyone I have talked to about this case is leaning towards abduction. The garage window was broken, and the telephone wire was cut and all the medication they take daily was left behind. The police said the first day " The couple left very hastily "

Their car was left abandoned about 2 miles from their home. The gun Bill bought not too long ago is missing from the home. Bill and his wife both didn't show up for work, and they are both considered very good people. I do know that it has this town ruffled and a lot of people are gathering as a community to help in any way we can.

But I searched a bit and there was a robbery in Essex I have no clue if it is or could be related, but it's in the same vicinity.


A man displaying a handgun entered and attempted to rob the Simon's Mobil store on Colchester Road in Essex at about 9:45 p.m. Thursday, police said. The man left without any money and was last seen on foot on Colchester Road, according to police. Police described the suspect as about 6 feet tall, 180-200 pounds, wearing a black ski mask, white T-shirt and blue jeans.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110611/NEWS02/106110319/-1/RSS

Thank you so much TickleB. It really helps to have information from someone who is from the area to be able to keep people informed on what is going on.

The family's of both Mr. and Mrs. Currier must be sick with worry. Have any of them been able to share any information that they have learned or are they at a loss as to what happened as much as everyone else? Wondering too if the Currier home was burglarized or robbed? And what 'interesting' timing it was that Mr. Currier bought the handgun. I wonder if he has handguns and it was just a coincidence that he purchased one last week?

TickleB
06-13-2011, 10:14 PM
Your very welcome. I only live about 3 miles from their house, so yes I am very much in the area.

As for the family, they aren't saying nothing. The police are doing a good job keeping it from the media if there are any leads. It's a little aggravating to be honest, but I feel something will come about soon. At least I hope it does. I wish them home safely, but as more time goes by, my hope is beginning to turn more into sadness as I'm dreading a tragic outcome. UVM and Fletcher Allen are sad places right now, you can feel the tension in the air when you walk in.

TickleB
06-14-2011, 12:05 PM
Essex Police Lt. Holl Weedel said Monday’s search turned up nothing new in the disappearance of an Essex couple.

Weedel said he didn’t know if or where detectives would be searching today. Monday about three dozen police officers searched a one-mile radius around the Colbert Street home of William and Lorraine Currier

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110614/NEWS02/110614013/Police-Monday-s-search-Essex-couple-yields-no-new-leads-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

summer_breeze
06-14-2011, 06:40 PM
http://www.wptz.com/news/28237211/detail.html

POSTED: 5:35 pm EDT June 14, 2011
UPDATED: 6:01 pm EDT June 14, 2011

http://www.wptz.com/2011/0614/28237204_239X320.jpg

summer_breeze
06-14-2011, 06:41 PM
I'm moving this thread to the Missing-Discussion forum.

TickleB
06-14-2011, 10:33 PM
Well I hate to say this but that sketch looks like 1/2 of the Vermont homeless men, and there are a lot in the Burlington area.

radiator
06-14-2011, 10:59 PM
http://http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-vermont-couple-baffles-police-neighbors/story?id=13837448

"Police told the Associated Press the bank accounts of the couple, as well as the mobile phones registered to William and Lorraine Currier, have gone unused. "

That doesn't sound too good. This is very mysterious but so far don't seem to be warning the public of any possible danger.

Kat
06-14-2011, 11:29 PM
http://www.necn.com/06/14/11/Is-man-linked-to-Vermont-couples-disappe/landing_newengland.html?blockID=534900&feedID=4206

Second article that supports the one posted by Summer Breeze posted above.

TickleB
06-15-2011, 01:58 AM
Me and my fiance go hiking at least once a week. Tomorrow we have taken the day off to " go hiking " and all this weekend we plan on " hiking " if there hasn't been any leads to where they are.

I really hate to say that we are doing a search for any possible clues or bodies. I went yesterday on a local trail following a stream. We have had a lot of flooding here so I followed the stream all the way down, no luck of course.

They are out there somewhere, even if it's just two people at least we are covering ground.

Starr58
06-15-2011, 02:26 PM
Today Essex Police said they will sift through dozens of phone messages from people responding to a sketch of a man who police said might have been driving a missing Essex couple’s car shortly after the pair disappeared


http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110615/NEWS02/110615019/-1/TOPICS0104/Sketch-man-possibly-driving-Essex-couple-s-car-yields-leads-

Starr58
06-15-2011, 02:27 PM
ESSEX, Vt. (AP) - Essex police say the sketch of a man who may have been spotted driving the car of a missing Vermont couple is producing lots of leads.

http://www.wcax.com/story/14912502/vt-police-say-sketch-brings-tips-on-missing-pair?redirected=true

ncbuckeyecb
06-15-2011, 04:20 PM
Wish there was more attention to this case. Thanks for the updates, Starr58 and others!

Starr58
06-15-2011, 05:10 PM
As I was traveling to Randolph Vermont yesterday I did notice that at two of the rest stops on I-89 posters of the couple were posted on the doors. I, too, wish there was more publicity of this case! Vermont is not known fo solving missing person cases as is evidenced by Briana Maitland and the recent missing teenager fom a southern Vermont high school.

Starr58
06-15-2011, 09:07 PM
A composite sketch is revving up the investigation into the mysterious disappearance of an Essex couple. Police say it's generated several leads from the public. The sketch has kept the phones ringing at the command center. Police wouldn't comment how many people they've questioned, but did confirm that no one's been taken into custody. Right now the man in the sketch is simply a person of interest-- not a suspect-- but police are holding out hope that somehow this will lead them to Bill and Lorraine Currier.

"I'm hopeful that they're alive and our investigation will certainly let us know sooner or later," Essex Police Lt. George Murtie said.

http://www.wcax.com/story/14912502/vt-police-say-sketch-brings-tips-on-missing-pair

K9-Chaser
06-15-2011, 09:47 PM
Wish there was more attention to this case. Thanks for the updates, Starr58 and others!

This would be good for the public to be more aware of this case. However, it will take work from their family's for this to happen. When someone goes missing it's like someone in the family has to take on another job ... they must contact local and national media, and take on more professional help too by working with non-profit organizations to help get the word out.

SurfieTX
06-16-2011, 10:05 AM
Why did Bill buy a gun recently? Did he already own guns or was this his first? Was he feeling threatened by someone?

liz b.
06-16-2011, 10:48 AM
Why did Bill buy a gun recently? Did he already own guns or was this his first? Was he feeling threatened by someone?

I noticed that too... Timing is strange. MOO

TickleB
06-16-2011, 10:55 AM
OK so I'm going to give you guys a tid bit of info that I heard through the grapevine, I'm NOT sure if this is true so don't hold me against it. But it has been the talk around the water cooler if you know what I mean.

Rumor: The reason Bill bought the gun was because Lorraine had felt uneasy the past couple days before their disappearance. No one knows if she was threatened.

The police were at UVM yesterday going through Bill's locker. It was a sad day for the co-workers, and reality sank in for my fiance that Bill may never be coming back.

TickleB
06-16-2011, 11:09 AM
I'm not exactly sure what Lorraine did at Fletcher Allen, a nurse maybe? If she was I only wonder if maybe a patient she dealt with didn't set right with her or the person picked them out because of this. But Bill worked directly in the medical building across from the hospital. Like I said, they arrived together and left together to and from work.

Not sure why they were picked because they aren't that well off with money. They lived comfortable enough to get by.

ALM1981
06-16-2011, 11:53 AM
I live less than a mile from the Curriers, my ex-husband lives in the building where their car was found, I know people who are their neighbors and I know people who work at the hospital. So, I have a fair amount of knowledge of the area and the case so far.

She didn't work at the hospital itself, she worked downtown at the Patient Financial Services building. Fletcher Allen withheld this info for a while, for some reason, but they released it to the papers a few days ago what her job was. So, she really had no contact with patients, only people for their bills via phone.

I also heard that Bill bought the gun a few weeks before they disappeared, so it was still close, but definitely not within a few days. It definitely still makes you think that they may have been/felt threatened or in some kind of trouble.

I know that this town is very freaked out, I know I am very freaked out. This kind of stuff just doesn't happen here. I don't feel safe in my home anymore, even though the police are all but saying they were targeted. They continue to say the public is not at risk.

I am glad that they are letting the FBI help, though. Vermont doesn't have a good track record in missing persons cases, the experience just isn't here.

One article I read said that, the police won't say if the Curriers knew the man in the sketch. Which leads me to believe that they do know his identity. However, they are still handing out flyers to the apartment building residents where the car was found on a daily basis, and I saw a "bike cop" going up and down Pearl Street (the street the car was seen on at the shopping center and the apartment building where it was eventually found) with flyers asking for help. I don't have a whole lot of faith that they have very good leads at this point. I hope I'm wrong. I hope everything works out OK and they are found safe.


I'm not exactly sure what Lorraine did at Fletcher Allen, a nurse maybe? If she was I only wonder if maybe a patient she dealt with didn't set right with her or the person picked them out because of this. But Bill worked directly in the medical building across from the hospital. Like I said, they arrived together and left together to and from work.

Not sure why they were picked because they aren't that well off with money. They lived comfortable enough to get by.

AuburnPoet
06-16-2011, 11:58 AM
Would they have had access to medication? Maybe they were robbed for medication. You know people with addictions are crazy today. If they THINK you have or can get them their meds they will rob you. Pain pills are particularly popular meds of choice.

I am just wondering if someone with a habit chose them because he/she felt either one/or both of them had access to meds for them. And, if they did or didn't they would have been burdensome after the crime. The question now is what would a drugged up person do with two *forgive me* bodies at this point? Where in the area between home/work/car found would drop-off be?

Again, all this is MOO!!!

K9-Chaser
06-16-2011, 01:29 PM
If there is a 'thought' of whom the mystery person is that was seen possibly driving the Currier's vehicle and law enforcement wants to know if it was indeed that person who dropped the Currier's vehicle off where it was found, then it would be easy to do so. Once there is a scent article (which doesn't need to be clothing) from the person that police think the 'mystery person' is, a specifically trained dog can work to see if it was that person's scent is in the Currier's vehicle, AND at the location that the vehicle was found (and where that scent goes if it is the same person). If it isn't, then the dog will give a negative indication on the Currier's vehicle and at the location the vehicle was.

ALM1981
06-16-2011, 01:33 PM
According to the people I know that work at the hospital, she wouldn't have had access to it, however anyone who just knows that she works at the hospital but doesn't know what she does, may have thought that she did. I think Bill was more likely to have access to any kind of drugs than Lorraine was, in caring for animals at the University lab.

There are a lot of theories going around in the town that I've heard, but I don't want to speculate and start any kind of rumors or gossip about these people when nothing has been confirmed. Regardless, nobody deserves this.

Would they have had access to medication? Maybe they were robbed for medication. You know people with addictions are crazy today. If they THINK you have or can get them their meds they will rob you. Pain pills are particularly popular meds of choice.

I am just wondering if someone with a habit chose them because he/she felt either one/or both of them had access to meds for them. And, if they did or didn't they would have been burdensome after the crime. The question now is what would a drugged up person do with two *forgive me* bodies at this point? Where in the area between home/work/car found would drop-off be?

Again, all this is MOO!!!

ALM1981
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
My guess is that they know the name of this "mystery person" but haven't located him yet. I'm sure he has shaved, cleaned up a bit, and got out of here as soon as his photo was published.

If there is a 'thought' of whom the mystery person is that was seen possibly driving the Currier's vehicle and law enforcement wants to know if it was indeed that person who dropped the Currier's vehicle off where it was found, then it would be easy to do so. Once there is a scent article (which doesn't need to be clothing) from the person that police think the 'mystery person' is, a specifically trained dog can work to see if it was that person's scent is in the Currier's vehicle, AND at the location that the vehicle was found (and where that scent goes if it is the same person). If it isn't, then the dog will give a negative indication on the Currier's vehicle and at the location the vehicle was.

ALM1981
06-16-2011, 01:39 PM
I apologize for missing the second part of your post. As far as the area where "drop-off" would be (I'm assuming you mean their bodies, if they are deceased), it's hard to say. There is only a couple of miles between their house and where the car was found and it pretty commercial (for Vermont, anyway). Essex is probably rural by some people's standards, but for Vermont, it's not. They've searched the woods surrounding the area with dogs, but didn't come up with anything.

It's a very strange case and leaves a lot open to speculation.

I am just wondering if someone with a habit chose them because he/she felt either one/or both of them had access to meds for them. And, if they did or didn't they would have been burdensome after the crime. The question now is what would a drugged up person do with two *forgive me* bodies at this point? Where in the area between home/work/car found would drop-off be?

Again, all this is MOO!!!

TickleB
06-16-2011, 04:44 PM
I apologize for missing the second part of your post. As far as the area where "drop-off" would be (I'm assuming you mean their bodies, if they are deceased), it's hard to say. There is only a couple of miles between their house and where the car was found and it pretty commercial (for Vermont, anyway). Essex is probably rural by some people's standards, but for Vermont, it's not. They've searched the woods surrounding the area with dogs, but didn't come up with anything.

It's a very strange case and leaves a lot open to speculation.

Thank you for clarifying some things.

K9-Chaser
06-16-2011, 07:18 PM
My guess is that they know the name of this "mystery person" but haven't located him yet. I'm sure he has shaved, cleaned up a bit, and got out of here as soon as his photo was published.

Well, it wouldn't matter what the person did to himself including leaving the area just as long as there was one thing that belonged to the person that was left behind; LE knew where he lived and therefore had the residence. An answer could be given very easily as to whether that person was in the vehicle or around where it was found.

liz b.
06-16-2011, 07:27 PM
LE believes they were targeted. Targeted for what ? Abduction ? At first glance it seems hard to imagine, in such a small community. MOO And she had been feeling apprehensive before this happened. I wonder if she noticed something/someone out of the ordinary, but could not pin down the exact cause of her apprehension ? Did someone say something off kilter to her, or did someone call her ?

They seem so down to earth. The only thing that caught my eye when I was reading was the fact that he worked in a University medical lab taking care of the animals (involved in the experiments, I assume...) For some reason I read that sentence a few times... MOO

This is a very strange story...MOO Hope they are okay...

JMO

Starr58
06-17-2011, 06:43 AM
Thursday, Chittenden County Probate Judge Susan Fowler approved a request by Marilyn Chates, William Currier's mother, to become guardian of the Curriers' assets pending the outcome of the investigation into their disappearance.

The Curriers both have siblings who live in Vermont but no children.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110617/NEWS02/106170305/-1/NEWS/Missing-Essex-Junction-couple-s-assets-protected

SurfieTX
06-17-2011, 08:15 AM
If they were feeling threatened enough for Bill to buy a gun, why not involve the police? That question begets another question, where did they meet or run across someone who would threaten one or both of them? Work? Hobbies? Friends? A worker at their home?

liz b.
06-17-2011, 09:17 AM
If they were feeling threatened enough for Bill to buy a gun, why not involve the police? That question begets another question, where did they meet or run across someone who would threaten one or both of them? Work? Hobbies? Friends? A worker at their home?

Great questions. In such a small town, how would there be any real "secrets " ? Another question : when LE searched Bill's locker at work, what did they find ? What might they have been expecting to find ? MOO

bench_monkey
06-17-2011, 10:43 AM
Essex police have called a news conference for 11 a.m. Friday to announce a reward being offered by the couple's family for information leading to the discovery of their whereabouts.

Read more: http://www.wptz.com/news/28269123/detail.html#ixzz1PXoZdLln

ALM1981
06-17-2011, 11:47 AM
From everything I've heard and read, they really kept to themselves. By Vermont standards, it's not a small town. There's a village and a town, but they are more or less one big area. It's the largest town in Vermont and the second biggest municipality, so it's big for here. I'm curious about the work locker, too. I think they are really reaching and desperate for anything. Someone questioned on another site whether Vermont police had the sophistication for this case and I have to wonder the same thing. I hope the FBI is already involved. I did read that they offered and the town accepted, so I hope they're already here.

Great questions. In such a small town, how would there be any real "secrets " ? Another question : when LE searched Bill's locker at work, what did they find ? What might they have been expecting to find ? MOO

TickleB
06-17-2011, 12:21 PM
They had a support session at UVM yesterday for all the co-workers. My fiance said there were many tears shed.

ALM1981: I honestly believe they don't have the sophistication and I agree I really hope FBI does come into this case.

liz b.
06-17-2011, 03:33 PM
Cell phones were missing ; I wonder where the cell phones last pinged from ? Also, did they own a laptop ? If so, was it missing also ?

A bit strange that Bill's gun that he had recently bought was missing MOO... I'm trying to envision a scenario where a would be abductor could have taken the gun from him. It's not easy to see, because Bill doesn't look to be a small guy...MOO Unless there was more than 1 intruder... But then it's weird that no one in the block would have seen anything. MOO This is baffling...

JMO

Starr58
06-17-2011, 03:46 PM
Essex Police Lt. Detective George Murtie, who is leading the investigation, read a short statement that outlined law enforcement efforts so far:

-- Essex Police have executed 11 search warrants and three subpoenas;
-- They are examining the couple's phone, bank, employment and computer records;
-- Video surveillance data from about 25 businesses are being studied;
-- Collaborations with other regional police agencies, as well as the FBI, are underway.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110617/NEWS02/110617001/-1/NEWS/Family-offers-reward-info-leading-missing-Essex-couple

SurfieTX
06-17-2011, 03:49 PM
Eight family members of William and Lorraine Currier gathered at the Essex Police Station to announce a $10,000 reward for information leading to the missing couple.


~~snip~~

Essex Police Lt. Detective George Murtie, who is leading the investigation, read a short statement that outlined law enforcement efforts so far:

-- Essex Police have executed 11 search warrants and three subpoenas;

-- They are examining the couple's phone, bank, employment and computer records;

-- Video surveillance data from about 25 businesses are being studied;

-- Collaborations with other regional police agencies, as well as the FBI, are underway.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110617/NEWS02/110617001/Family-offers-reward-info-leading-missing-Essex-couple?odyssey=mod|lateststories

liz b.
06-17-2011, 06:51 PM
I see that LE is looking at phone records. I wonder if this means incoming and outgoing phone calls ? How about cell phone pings ? I'm sure that if the FBI is involved that has been looked into as well.... MOO

K9-Chaser
06-17-2011, 08:30 PM
I see that LE is looking at phone records. I wonder if this means incoming and outgoing phone calls ? How about cell phone pings ? I'm sure that if the FBI is involved that has been looked into as well.... MOO

All of these things (cell phone, etc.,) to look into is standard --- therefore the police department was sure to have done this from early on. However, it does take time to do this between the protocol that must be followed, etc.

Sometime it appears that people think that the FBI comes in / brought in, because the local authorities are stymied and the case is too complex for their local department. This is not necessarily true ... most of the time it is because of the cost of working the case. Most department's do not have a huge budget and it doesn't take long before (for example), overtime for paying the officers, detectives and crime scene technicians, 'eats up' their budget.

By bringing in the FBI, this allows for more state and federal funds to be used to help with the investigation.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 08:50 AM
A longtime friend of Lorraine Currier says Currier feared for her safety before she disappeared. Linda Pratt tells WPTZ-TV that Currier recently told her she was afraid of a man who had been bothering her. "She never mentioned a name," Pratt said. "She just said, 'This guy, at this point I'm scared to death of him, it's like he's stalking me.'"

http://www.necn.com/06/17/11/Was-missing-Vermont-woman-a-stalking-vic/landing_newengland.html?blockID=535665&feedID=4206

liz b.
06-18-2011, 02:14 PM
A longtime friend of Lorraine Currier says Currier feared for her safety before she disappeared. Linda Pratt tells WPTZ-TV that Currier recently told her she was afraid of a man who had been bothering her. "She never mentioned a name," Pratt said. "She just said, 'This guy, at this point I'm scared to death of him, it's like he's stalking me.'"

http://www.necn.com/06/17/11/Was-missing-Vermont-woman-a-stalking-vic/landing_newengland.html?blockID=535665&feedID=4206

Wow... This reminds me of the elderly woman in Vermont who was also abducted and her car was taken. She was murdered, and AFAIK her killer(s) never were found... I read about the case here on WS ... Does it ring a bell with anyone ? It was just as strange as this case. I wonder if the FBI got any usable prints from both vehicles that might be a match for the abductor .... MOO

JMO

liz b.
06-18-2011, 02:15 PM
All of these things (cell phone, etc.,) to look into is standard --- therefore the police department was sure to have done this from early on. However, it does take time to do this between the protocol that must be followed, etc.

Sometime it appears that people think that the FBI comes in / brought in, because the local authorities are stymied and the case is too complex for their local department. This is not necessarily true ... most of the time it is because of the cost of working the case. Most department's do not have a huge budget and it doesn't take long before (for example), overtime for paying the officers, detectives and crime scene technicians, 'eats up' their budget.

By bringing in the FBI, this allows for more state and federal funds to be used to help with the investigation.

TY, K9Chaser, for this most useful information.

bench_monkey
06-18-2011, 06:15 PM
Wow... This reminds me of the elderly woman in Vermont who was also abducted and her car was taken. She was murdered, and AFAIK her killer(s) never were found... I read about the case here on WS ... Does it ring a bell with anyone ? It was just as strange as this case. I wonder if the FBI got any usable prints from both vehicles that might be a match for the abductor .... MOO

JMO

Do you mean Mary Pat O'Hagan? I don't recall that her car was taken, though my memory may be faulty.
http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/homicide/ohagan.html

liz b.
06-18-2011, 06:23 PM
Do you mean Mary Pat O'Hagan? I don't recall that her car was taken, though my memory may be faulty.
http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/homicide/ohagan.html

Bench-monkey,
Thank you for finding the link.Yes, this is the case I meant. Looks like there are some strange similarities.MOO This does not sound good at all.... IMO

JMO

ETA You are right, her car was not taken.Other than that,though, I do see similarities. I was actually thinking of another case involveing a missing fam8ly whose car was found close to their home.... TY again...

liz b.
06-18-2011, 07:22 PM
I wonder if Lorraine's purse was left behind at their home ?

JMO

jglavan
06-20-2011, 11:39 AM
Hi all,

I am a reporter at Channel 5 who has been covering the Currier disappearance since it began -- we're the ones who talked to Lorraine's friend, Linda Pratt, who said Lorraine may have been scared of someone in her life.

I want to keep this story out there and, as many of you have mentioned, help find out what happened.

If anyone is willing to chat, particularly if you are in the Essex area, please don't hesitate to contact me.

I'm available by phone at 802-233-3327 or email at jglavan@hearst.com

Thanks for any help,

Jill Glavan
Newschannel Five

bench_monkey
06-20-2011, 12:02 PM
What I find interesting is that Mr. Currier's family are the only family members out there in the news. What about Lorraine Currier's family? I guess it's possible that she doesn't have any other living relatives, but wouldn't you expect that something along those lines would have been mentioned at some point? Or are they involved and I have totally missed that...

bench_monkey
06-20-2011, 12:10 PM
Hi all,

I am a reporter at Channel 5 who has been covering the Currier disappearance since it began -- we're the ones who talked to Lorraine's friend, Linda Pratt, who said Lorraine may have been scared of someone in her life.

I want to keep this story out there and, as many of you have mentioned, help find out what happened.

If anyone is willing to chat, particularly if you are in the Essex area, please don't hesitate to contact me.

I'm available by phone at 802-233-3327 or email at jglavan@hearst.com

Thanks for any help,

Jill Glavan
Newschannel Five

Welcome Jill,
I am an employee at UVM and work in the same builiding as Mr. Currier. I also am an acquaintance of one of his sisters. That being said, I haven't heard a lot about the dissappearance beyond what has been in the news or other rumors posted here. I hope this means that the police are keeping a tight lid on things. However, I noticed this weekend and today that there are no new stories regarding the Curriers. Does this mean people are already losing interest?

jglavan
06-20-2011, 12:54 PM
Welcome Jill,
I am an employee at UVM and work in the same builiding as Mr. Currier. I also am an acquaintance of one of his sisters. That being said, I haven't heard a lot about the dissappearance beyond what has been in the news or other rumors posted here. I hope this means that the police are keeping a tight lid on things. However, I noticed this weekend and today that there are no new stories regarding the Curriers. Does this mean people are already losing interest?

Thanks for the reply. From what I've heard from police, they are still going through surveillance video and records trying to turn something up. As far as interest, I've gotten the feeling that people are certainly still interested, there's just not much new information out there to go on...

liz b.
06-20-2011, 06:37 PM
Hi all,

I am a reporter at Channel 5 who has been covering the Currier disappearance since it began -- we're the ones who talked to Lorraine's friend, Linda Pratt, who said Lorraine may have been scared of someone in her life.

I want to keep this story out there and, as many of you have mentioned, help find out what happened.

If anyone is willing to chat, particularly if you are in the Essex area, please don't hesitate to contact me.

I'm available by phone at 802-233-3327 or email at jglavan@hearst.com

Thanks for any help,



Jill Glavan
Newschannel Five

Hello Jill,
Welcome to the WS forum. It's great tohave a local reporter who is interested enought to come here...

Blondie in Spokane
06-20-2011, 08:59 PM
Hi Jill....thanks for joining the thread!

Here's a little bit more info...not much...

http://www.wcax.com/story/14942507/investigators-probe-disappearance-of-essex-couple

"Police are still considering this a missing persons case even though they've declared the home a crime scene. They've seized personal records looking for clues and say the couple's handgun is missing from the home's inventory."

I don't recall reading that the home was a crime scene before. This is just so odd in every way....

Janeumayer
06-20-2011, 11:22 PM
Thanks for the reply. From what I've heard from police, they are still going through surveillance video and records trying to turn something up. As far as interest, I've gotten the feeling that people are certainly still interested, there's just not much new information out there to go on...

Is there a website or facebook page dedicated to them? If not, maybe one of the locals can contact family or LE to set one up?

glorias
06-21-2011, 12:26 AM
Was anything ever said as to whether Bill collected guns before or not? I'd be curious to know if the gun he bought was the only one he owned.

FifthEssence
06-21-2011, 07:56 AM
Have the neighbors said anything about seeing their car at the residence after work (5pm) that day?

Another member asked earlier, was Lorraine's handbag found in the house?

Do they have any pets? and if so, were there any signs the pet had been feed recently?

Wondering if they even made it home from work that day.

liz b.
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Have the neighbors said anything about seeing their car at the residence after work (5pm) that day?

Another member asked earlier, was Lorraine's handbag found in the house?

Do they have any pets? and if so, were there any signs the pet had been feed recently?

Wondering if they even made it home from work that day.

It would seem that they did come home.MOO The phone lines to the house had been cut, and a window near the carport area was broken. Also, a neighbor did report that her dog acted as though something was going on outside.But she didn't check...

Does anyone know how close together the homes on this street are ? If an intruder came in, was he on foot ? And then he took both members of the couple out of the house,and drove off in their car with them ? It is hard to visualize. MOO

TickleB
06-21-2011, 12:30 PM
Have the neighbors said anything about seeing their car at the residence after work (5pm) that day?

Another member asked earlier, was Lorraine's handbag found in the house?

Do they have any pets? and if so, were there any signs the pet had been feed recently?

Wondering if they even made it home from work that day.

They were seen coming home from work, safe.

As for the purse, I'm not sure, all I know is the police said the couple seemed to have left hastily, so I'm assuming nothing was taken along with them.

Normally a woman would bring a purse and her keys when leaving the house right? Well since the police said hastily I'm assuming everything was left behind.

Bill may have had his wallet on him unless they left out in the early morning when everyone in the neighborhood was sleeping.

Maybe the person had been hiding in the garage waiting for them to come home from work, then held them hostage till the early morning hrs so they could have a clean escape without people noticing and everyone sleeping.

Tomorrow is going to be two weeks, and the police are no closer to solving it then the day it happened. I'm just praying there will be one BIG huge crack in the case soon. The family deserves it.

Has there even been a search for them? Not just the police and the dogs I'm talking about the community? How does one go about doing that? Is it through the police department or what?

bench_monkey
06-21-2011, 12:35 PM
It would seem that they did come home.MOO The phone lines to the house had been cut, and a window near the carport area was broken. Also, a neighbor did report that her dog acted as though something was going on outside.But she didn't check...

Does anyone know how close together the homes on this street are ? If an intruder came in, was he on foot ? And then he took both members of the couple out of the house,and drove off in their car with them ? It is hard to visualize. MOO

If you look on Google maps, you will see that their street is very populated. I imagine if they were removed from their house against their will it had to be a gunpoint, and in the middle of the night.

jglavan
06-21-2011, 04:21 PM
They were seen coming home from work, safe.

As for the purse, I'm not sure, all I know is the police said the couple seemed to have left hastily, so I'm assuming nothing was taken along with them.

Normally a woman would bring a purse and her keys when leaving the house right? Well since the police said hastily I'm assuming everything was left behind.

Bill may have had his wallet on him unless they left out in the early morning when everyone in the neighborhood was sleeping.

Maybe the person had been hiding in the garage waiting for them to come home from work, then held them hostage till the early morning hrs so they could have a clean escape without people noticing and everyone sleeping.

Tomorrow is going to be two weeks, and the police are no closer to solving it then the day it happened. I'm just praying there will be one BIG huge crack in the case soon. The family deserves it.

Has there even been a search for them? Not just the police and the dogs I'm talking about the community? How does one go about doing that? Is it through the police department or what?

I'm curious about a possible volunteer search as well -- I think the police dept. usually facilitates that and I'd imagine they'd be the ones to call. Would like to know if this happens!

liz b.
06-21-2011, 06:18 PM
If you look on Google maps, you will see that their street is very populated. I imagine if they were removed from their house against their will it had to be a gunpoint, and in the middle of the night.

Bench-monkey,
Yes, I do see what you mean.... I read that the houses on Pat O'Hagan's street were about 50 feet apart... And yet she too was taken out of the house.... And apparently none of her neighbors saw or heard a thing.

The broken window in Bill and Lorraine's house intrigues me. How did they not hear the glass breaking ? Or how did the neighbors not hear or react ?

I read recently that we are the most vulnerable at around 4 a.m. Our sleep is deep, and we do not wake at sounds the way we would earlier during the night... I am thinking that the house was entered at around that time... Assuming that there actually was an intruder... MOO

JMO

glorias
06-21-2011, 09:23 PM
The cut phone lines are certainly curious, especially given how many people have cell phones nowadays. Cutting a phone line wouldn't necessarily accomplish anything.

liz b.
06-21-2011, 10:16 PM
The cut phone lines are certainly curious, especially given how many people have cell phones nowadays. Cutting a phone line wouldn't necessarily accomplish anything.

Excellent point. They apparently had both cell phones and a landline phone... I am wondering about both the cut phone lines and the broken window. It was never stated by LE that an intruder had entered by the broken window at all. Or that an intruder had somehow unlocked a door via reaching into the broken window MOO... I'm wondering why an intruder would risk alerting people by breaking a window,when he maybe could have jimmied a door much more quietly ? MOO

JMO

gnomony
06-22-2011, 08:17 AM
Excellent point. They apparently had both cell phones and a landline phone... I am wondering about both the cut phone lines and the broken window. It was never stated by LE that an intruder had entered by the broken window at all. Or that an intruder had somehow unlocked a door via reaching into the broken window MOO... I'm wondering why an intruder would risk alerting people by breaking a window,when he maybe could have jimmied a door much more quietly ? MOO

JMO

Hate to say it, but my first thought when these facts were reported was that the scene was set to make it LOOK like there was an intruder.

glorias
06-22-2011, 08:26 AM
I thought the same. I also thought that maybe, if they never used the land line, it was cut at an earlier time (maybe even on accident) and they just never noticed or cared.

SCSleuther
06-22-2011, 09:46 AM
The cut phone lines are certainly curious, especially given how many people have cell phones nowadays. Cutting a phone line wouldn't necessarily accomplish anything.

Just a thought....

...cut phone lines could also be to disable a security system?....

Many people do not have digital cell back-up on their security alarm systems.

Also, many people still use dial-up internet, so cutting phone lines would disable their internet, also....

ETA: My (elderly) parents have a cell phone, but refuse to learn how to use it...<sigh>

FifthEssence
06-22-2011, 12:08 PM
Does anyone have a source or information as to the TIME the Currier's were REPORTED MISSING on Thursday the 9th?

If anyone comes across their dates of birth, would appreciate that info as well.
Thank you

TickleB
06-22-2011, 03:04 PM
Does anyone have a source or information as to the TIME the Currier's were REPORTED MISSING on Thursday the 9th?

If anyone comes across their dates of birth, would appreciate that info as well.
Thank you

I don't believe their birth dates have been given out, that would be something the family could help with.

Police believe the couple disappeared sometime between 5 p.m. Wednesday, June 8, 2011 and 10 a.m. Thursday, June 9, 2011.

watchesinvt
06-22-2011, 11:36 PM
There was a call placed to the police for check late on that Thursday morning.

Bill's sister thought that he saw their car on the way to work and then was surprised to see that she wasn't at work. When Bill's sister tried to call Bill she discovered he also did not go to work. That's when the call was made.

A neighbor believes she saw normal activity with being the yard/yard work in the early evening but cannot specifically confirm.

Their bird cage was still covered when the police went to check on the house. This leads the family to believe they went missing sometime after bedtime but before their morning routine Wed/Thursday.

Blondie in Spokane
06-23-2011, 06:14 AM
Welcome watchesinvt!!.....interesting info re the birdcage....

gnomony
06-23-2011, 03:31 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110623/NEWS02/110623029/Ruling-pending-release-Currier-case-search-warrants-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"A Vermont Superior Court judge is deciding whether to grant public access to documents related to the disappearance of Bill and Lorraine Currier of Essex."

krazyfingerzz
06-23-2011, 05:53 PM
That's an interesting article. Why they moved to have the records sealed is what sticks in my mind. I can't help but think that the VT LE keeps too much to themselves, leading to cold cases. Pat O'Hagan comes to mind. They refused to release anything but the sparsest details, and only this spring, searched the creek across from her house. A little late, and no results. Sometimes, releasing nothing means the reports stop, the leads stop, and the case gets lost on a shelf.

bench_monkey
06-23-2011, 08:25 PM
That's an interesting article. Why they moved to have the records sealed is what sticks in my mind. I can't help but think that the VT LE keeps too much to themselves, leading to cold cases. Pat O'Hagan comes to mind. They refused to release anything but the sparsest details, and only this spring, searched the creek across from her house. A little late, and no results. Sometimes, releasing nothing means the reports stop, the leads stop, and the case gets lost on a shelf.

They did an outstanding job when Michelle Gardner Quinn was missing, IMO.

Starr58
06-24-2011, 06:53 AM
They did an outstanding job when Michelle Gardner Quinn was missing, IMO.

That was a different police department (Burlington Police Dept) and there was more transparency in that case. That case was in the public's face on a daily basis. I agree the BPD did an outstanding job on that case.

Starr58
06-24-2011, 06:55 AM
ESSEX — The likelihood that a missing Essex couple will be found safe two weeks after vanishing from their Essex home diminishes with each passing day, police say.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110624/NEWS02/110623033/-1/NEWS/Concerns-mount-Essex-couple-has-been-missing-two-weeks

gnomony
06-24-2011, 07:06 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110624/NEWS02/110623032/Warrants-emails-challenged-Currier-case?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"The police investigation into the suspicious disappearance of Essex residents William and Lorraine Currier has caused a number of normally public documents and records to be sequestered behind a veil of secrecy."

bench_monkey
06-24-2011, 09:23 AM
That was a different police department (Burlington Police Dept) and there was more transparency in that case. That case was in the public's face on a daily basis. I agree the BPD did an outstanding job on that case.

I know it was a different department, but the post I quoted was referring to VT LE in general.

gnomony
06-24-2011, 09:42 AM
I know it was a different department, but the post I quoted was referring to VT LE in general.

Hard to generalize accurately about VT LE. There are a lot of different components, answering to different authorities and (in the case of prosecutors and sheriffs, who are elected) different constituencies. Some of them are much better than others, of course.

The reporters make a real difference, and there have been a couple of the best reporting this story. I'm glad to see them going to court for access to documents. Sometimes a prosecutor will file to seal something as a way of getting a judge to make a decision about releasing records and thus to avoid criticism and potential litigation issues.

gnomony
06-24-2011, 09:47 AM
ESSEX — The likelihood that a missing Essex couple will be found safe two weeks after vanishing from their Essex home diminishes with each passing day, police say.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110624/NEWS02/110623033/-1/NEWS/Concerns-mount-Essex-couple-has-been-missing-two-weeks

I thought this was very interesting, both as a fact, and because the reporter may be signaling something by carefully including the detail: "The window of an interior door connecting the garage to the house was smashed, scattering bits of broken glass inside the garage." (my bold).

That suggests to me that the glass was broken from the house side -- not what you would expect from an intruder.

gnomony
06-24-2011, 09:55 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110611004

Similarly, regarding LE's removal of the dumpster next to where the car was found, the reporter carefully included an important fact in this earlier article without commenting on it:

"Saturday, residents of the apartments said police removed the Dumpster late Friday night. [snip] Paula Huckleberry, another resident, said she didn’t pay any particular notice when she took some trash to the Dumpster about mid-morning Friday. Not long after, she said, she heard the complex’s trash hauler come and empty the receptacle. (my bold)

In other words, if the couple is deceased and their bodies were in the dumpster, they were hauled away before LE took the dumpster.

bench_monkey
06-24-2011, 11:24 AM
I thought this was very interesting, both as a fact, and because the reporter may be signaling something by carefully including the detail: "The window of an interior door connecting the garage to the house was smashed, scattering bits of broken glass inside the garage." (my bold).

That suggests to me that the glass was broken from the house side -- not what you would expect from an intruder.

Good catch! I suppose there could be glass both inside the house and inside the garage, but as you said that statement is carefully worded.

bench_monkey
06-24-2011, 11:27 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110611004

Similarly, regarding LE's removal of the dumpster next to where the car was found, the reporter carefully included an important fact in this earlier article without commenting on it:

"Saturday, residents of the apartments said police removed the Dumpster late Friday night. [snip] Paula Huckleberry, another resident, said she didn’t pay any particular notice when she took some trash to the Dumpster about mid-morning Friday. Not long after, she said, she heard the complex’s trash hauler come and empty the receptacle. (my bold)

In other words, if the couple is deceased and their bodies were in the dumpster, they were hauled away before LE took the dumpster.

I had noticed this, as well. I suppose they can still analyze the dumpster for trace evidence.

Mirage
06-24-2011, 12:00 PM
"The window of an interior door connecting the garage to the house was smashed, scattering bits of broken glass inside the garage." (my bold).


So, a possible struggle inside the home, where someone was shoved into the door or such... causing the window to break towards the outside?

Togago Cay
06-24-2011, 12:24 PM
My husband works in Essex Junction - and I find this really baffling. I wonder if maybe it wasn't an abduction, but rather a murder/suicide. The fact that the gun is missing and the window appears to be broken from the inside seems odd.

bench_monkey
06-24-2011, 02:23 PM
Police did confirm that they found evidence in the Currier's car that was found abandoned less than a mile from their home. Police would not say if that evidence points to anything criminal.

http://www.wcax.com/story/14970315/vt-police-say-chance-of-finding-couple-dwindling?redirected=true

TickleB
06-24-2011, 03:22 PM
My husband works in Essex Junction - and I find this really baffling. I wonder if maybe it wasn't an abduction, but rather a murder/suicide. The fact that the gun is missing and the window appears to be broken from the inside seems odd.

Clues are pointing more towards abduction, but murder/suicide isn't ruled out I'm sure.

I'm sure Bill wouldn't have killed his wife, dumped her body then parked his car a mile away from his home, left it there and went walking on foot to kill himself. Seems like a lot of work if your just going to kill yourself anyways, so why put effort in trying to hide the body of your wife and yourself? This is just MHO though.

But I get what your saying, at this point, you can't rule out anything.

watchesinvt
06-24-2011, 03:42 PM
I believe the removed dumpster was located and able to be reviewed. Not 100% sure. I would have to do some research to determine if this was something I read about (therefore verified) or something I heard as part of water-cooler conversation. (I work in the same building as Lorraine and her sister). I'll dig around a bit.

gnomony
06-24-2011, 04:15 PM
I believe the removed dumpster was located and able to be reviewed.

But the article didn't mention removal of the dumpster. It said "she heard the complex’s trash hauler come and empty the receptacle." (my bold)

bench_monkey
06-24-2011, 06:30 PM
Not good

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110624/NEWS02/110624001/Essex-police-no-clues-Currier-case-found-ground-searches?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

gnomony
06-24-2011, 08:06 PM
Not good

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110624/NEWS02/110624001/Essex-police-no-clues-Currier-case-found-ground-searches?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
(Essex police: no clues in Currier case found in ground searches)

Of course, they might not have had the slightest idea where to start looking...

liz b.
06-24-2011, 08:08 PM
What about the description of the guy possibly seen driving the Currier's vehicle ? And LE did say that the inside of the house was being treated as a crime scene... The interior window could have been broken during a struggle with an intruder.MOO I'm thinking an intruder went into the house, and took them out at gunpoint.MOO

JMO

gnomony
06-24-2011, 08:34 PM
What about the description of the guy possibly seen driving the Currier's vehicle ? And LE did say that the inside of the house was being treated as a crime scene... The interior window could have been broken during a struggle with an intruder.MOO I'm thinking an intruder went into the house, and took them out at gunpoint.MOO

You may be right... As to the "crime scene" part, declaring it a crime scene may be a legal tactic to allow them to have continued access. From an early story (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110609037): "Essex police obtained a search warrant to enter the house, which they did at about 10 p.m. Police are maintaining control of the house overnight, which [...] allows the search warrant to remain valid."

bench_monkey
06-24-2011, 09:02 PM
What about the description of the guy possibly seen driving the Currier's vehicle ? And LE did say that the inside of the house was being treated as a crime scene... The interior window could have been broken during a struggle with an intruder.MOO I'm thinking an intruder went into the house, and took them out at gunpoint.MOO

JMO

I agree. If they were removed from their home against their will it would have had to have been at gunpoint.

holbrook
06-24-2011, 09:20 PM
I believe the removed dumpster was located and able to be reviewed. Not 100% sure. I would have to do some research to determine if this was something I read about (therefore verified) or something I heard as part of water-cooler conversation. (I work in the same building as Lorraine and her sister). I'll dig around a bit.

Of course it was located -- it was the police that removed it

holbrook
06-24-2011, 09:22 PM
I think that the parking lot where the car was found is odd. Seems like a very wierd place to dump a car. With the median access is not very easy (you can only enter from one direction & then leave from one direction). The particular parking spot is wierd too -- wouldnt it of been easier/ quicker to just pull into a parking spot instead of parking in that spot by the dumpster?

holbrook
06-24-2011, 09:30 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110611004

Similarly, regarding LE's removal of the dumpster next to where the car was found, the reporter carefully included an important fact in this earlier article without commenting on it:

"Saturday, residents of the apartments said police removed the Dumpster late Friday night. [snip] Paula Huckleberry, another resident, said she didn’t pay any particular notice when she took some trash to the Dumpster about mid-morning Friday. Not long after, she said, she heard the complex’s trash hauler come and empty the receptacle. (my bold)

In other words, if the couple is deceased and their bodies were in the dumpster, they were hauled away before LE took the dumpster.

Yes, it is very possible that the trash haulers hauled them away however, I am sure the police thought of that -- they probably needed to look the dumpster over for trace evidence - it being empty of trash does not eliminate the possibility of other evidence

liz b.
06-24-2011, 09:32 PM
I think that the parking lot where the car was found is odd. Seems like a very wierd place to dump a car. With the median access is not very easy (you can only enter from one direction & then leave from one direction). The particular parking spot is wierd too -- wouldnt it of been easier/ quicker to just pull into a parking spot instead of parking in that spot by the dumpster?

Only reason I can think of is : the driver (s) of the vehicle disposed of something in the dumpster. Possibly it was something heavy,messy,or cumbersome...MOO

JMO

holbrook
06-24-2011, 09:36 PM
Have the police searched the landfill?

holbrook
06-24-2011, 09:44 PM
Another hard part of this case is the mystery of motive. It seems the couple was targeted but why

liz b.
06-24-2011, 11:14 PM
Another hard part of this case is the mystery of motive. It seems the couple was targeted but why

Earlier on in this forum, it was reported that Lorraine said that some guy had been bothering her.She told her friend about it...She said that it was almost like he was stalking her... MOO, but perhaps this was motive ?

JMO

gnomony
06-25-2011, 06:22 AM
"Two Vermont judges have ruled that search warrants and written statements by police related to the disappearance of William and Lorraine Currier of Essex should be made public, but the documents remain under seal pending an appeal by the Chittenden County State’s Attorney’s Office."
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110625/NEWS02/110624021/Court-battle-looms-case-missing-Essex-couple?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

In my years of experience watching Vermont cases, this is pretty significant, pretty unusual. There's something special being protected.

bench_monkey
06-25-2011, 07:35 AM
Another hard part of this case is the mystery of motive. It seems the couple was targeted but why

This is the biggest mystery to me. By all accounts they appear to be a nice, quiet couple.

bench_monkey
06-25-2011, 07:36 AM
Earlier on in this forum, it was reported that Lorraine said that some guy had been bothering her.She told her friend about it...She said that it was almost like he was stalking her... MOO, but perhaps this was motive ?

JMO

But why was he bothering her? This is odd, too.

bench_monkey
06-25-2011, 07:38 AM
"Two Vermont judges have ruled that search warrants and written statements by police related to the disappearance of William and Lorraine Currier of Essex should be made public, but the documents remain under seal pending an appeal by the Chittenden County State’s Attorney’s Office."
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110625/NEWS02/110624021/Court-battle-looms-case-missing-Essex-couple?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

In my years of experience watching Vermont cases, this is pretty significant, pretty unusual. There's something special being protected.

Is it? I never paid that much attention. Is this being treated differently than Michelle Gardner Quinn? Or Brooke Bennet? Or that elderly woman?

gnomony
06-25-2011, 07:49 AM
Is it? I never paid that much attention. Is this being treated differently than Michelle Gardner Quinn? Or Brooke Bennet? Or that elderly woman?

I'm relying on my memory, which may be incorrect, but usually Vermont search warrant returns are public, and usually when a prosecutor tries to seal something and loses, s/he doesn't take it to the supreme court. (I'm sure there are exceptions.)

The prosecutor is an elected official and has to balance the litigation advantages of secrecy with the political advantages of transparency, both with the news media and with the public at large, both of which tend to want to know details immediately. And the political aspect goes beyond just jockeying for votes: a prosecutor has a duty to inspired trust in LE and the judicial process, and to be worthy of that trust. That can be tricky business at times, and judging it from the sidelines is also tricky, since we don't know what LE knows or why secrecy might matter.

holbrook
06-25-2011, 07:54 AM
Maybe they are on witness protection?

glorias
06-25-2011, 08:10 AM
Maybe they are on witness protection?

Surely the government wouldn't call attention to them by staging an abduction and tricking people into looking for them. That's the opposite of what they would want for people in WP.

bench_monkey
06-25-2011, 08:19 AM
Surely the government wouldn't call attention to them by staging an abduction and tricking people into looking for them. That's the opposite of what they would want for people in WP.

Are the families of people in WP made aware of the situation? I know that at least one relative cut a vacation short when the Currier's went missing.

liz b.
06-25-2011, 02:14 PM
But why was he bothering her? This is odd, too.

"But why was he bothering her ? " If someone entered the home, and their intent was not robbery, then is it safe to assume that the intruder was/is a predator, and his motivations will never make sense to us ? MOO

IMO, we can't look to make sense out of actions that are senseless.MOO

liz b.
06-25-2011, 02:20 PM
Are the families of people in WP made aware of the situation? I know that at least one relative cut a vacation short when the Currier's went missing.

Yes, IMO, peeps who go into WPP can communicate with family members through a third party, usually a federal marshall. They cannot disclose their location. But, it is very hard to imagine what these two people could know,or have seen that would make them valuable enough to LE to hide them in such a manner. IMO, most people who enter WPP are themselves involved in serious criminal activities, and this is why they are able to help LE build a criminal case. I do not believe that the Curriers are in any WPP program.MOO

JMO

holbrook
06-25-2011, 02:33 PM
Surely the government wouldn't call attention to them by staging an abduction and tricking people into looking for them. That's the opposite of what they would want for people in WP.

No, I'm not thinking the government staged this but instead someone to do with the case that put them into witness protection found them....

gnomony
06-25-2011, 06:50 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110611004

Similarly, regarding LE's removal of the dumpster next to where the car was found, the reporter carefully included an important fact in this earlier article without commenting on it:

"Saturday, residents of the apartments said police removed the Dumpster late Friday night. [snip] Paula Huckleberry, another resident, said she didn’t pay any particular notice when she took some trash to the Dumpster about mid-morning Friday. Not long after, she said, she heard the complex’s trash hauler come and empty the receptacle. (my bold)

In other words, if the couple is deceased and their bodies were in the dumpster, they were hauled away before LE took the dumpster.

Can't tell for sure from the photo of the car (link, above), but if someone intentionally parked it in front of a dumpster, that would ensure that it would be noticed on pick-up day. There are plenty of places nearby where a parked car might not be noticed for days, and parking in front of a dumpster (if it was in front) would seem like an interesting choice.

Does anyone know if it was positioned in such a way as to make emptying the dumpster impossible?

TickleB
06-26-2011, 01:40 AM
So if Bill or Lorraine is neither in the vicinity of their home or where the car was found, a wider spread search should be conducted. I still don't understand why a community search hasn't been thought of or done. With as many people who are concerned for this couple tons of people would be willing to help out including me.

Think it's possible the abductor had an accomplice?

jglavan
06-27-2011, 05:35 PM
Hi all,

Quick answers to some things: The car was not blocking the dumpster and from what I know, police searched the area near that apartment complex (it has a creek running behind it). Also, I doubt the police would allow family members to make statements to the media if this was a witness protection case.

As I said before, I'm with a local TV station, WPTZ. We are trying to advance the story to keep it in the news, but that is difficult given what little information is being released. If anyone knows the Curriers or their family and would be willing to speak with us, I'm at jglavan@hearst.com or 802-233-3327.

Thanks,

Jill Glavan

bench_monkey
06-27-2011, 09:21 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110627/NEWS02/110627017/Court-again-declines-release-Currier-warrant-material?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

SuziQ
06-28-2011, 12:23 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110627/NEWS02/110627017/Court-again-declines-release-Currier-warrant-material?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

When I have seen that in the past, it ends up that it was done to keep the investigation secret from someone close to a missing or murdered person. They don't want this person knowing they are suspected and being investigated. JMO, IMO, etc etc.

glorias
06-28-2011, 12:52 AM
I hope that's what it is, SuziQ. I notice there is a lawyer quoted as saying that the rulings themselves should, at minimum, be released.

liz b.
06-28-2011, 01:17 AM
When I have seen that in the past, it ends up that it was done to keep the investigation secret from someone close to a missing or murdered person. They don't want this person knowing they are suspected and being investigated. JMO, IMO, etc etc.

very interesting post... MOO

gnomony
06-28-2011, 07:21 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110627/NEWS02/110627017/Supreme-Court-keeps-Essex-search-documents-secret-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"The Vermont Supreme Court has agreed — at least temporarily — to a last-minute request filed Monday afternoon by prosecutors in Chittenden County to keep confidential search warrants and related documents about the suspicious disappearance of an Essex couple."

Starr58
06-28-2011, 08:41 AM
Has there been any mention of Lorraine Currier's family members? I have seen mention of Bill's family but little mention of Lorraine's. Does anyone think the composite photo resembles Lorraine in any way?

bench_monkey
06-28-2011, 10:40 AM
What I find interesting is that Mr. Currier's family are the only family members out there in the news. What about Lorraine Currier's family? I guess it's possible that she doesn't have any other living relatives, but wouldn't you expect that something along those lines would have been mentioned at some point? Or are they involved and I have totally missed that...

Wondered the same thing myself, Starr.

I saw that comment in the Free Press, or maybe one of the news stations, about the composite looking like her. I don't see it. I would assume that the police looked for her, as well as the person in the drawing, in the tapes.

glorias
06-28-2011, 10:03 PM
If the composite is correct, then the driver had facial hair amounting to a pretty full beard, which neither of them did. I guess maybe the nose looks a little like Lorraine's, but otherwise I don't see a resemblance either.

SuziQ
06-29-2011, 08:45 AM
Resemblance could be to a relative. Do the Currier's have any children?

bench_monkey
06-29-2011, 11:43 AM
Resemblance could be to a relative. Do the Currier's have any children?

No, they don't.

glorias
06-29-2011, 08:57 PM
When I have seen that in the past, it ends up that it was done to keep the investigation secret from someone close to a missing or murdered person. They don't want this person knowing they are suspected and being investigated. JMO, IMO, etc etc.

Between this and your comment that the resemblance of the composite to Lorraine possibly meaning a relative of hers, I think you're on to something. Perhaps LE is looking at her relatives and doesn't want to give too much out.

shefner
06-29-2011, 11:11 PM
I keep hoping to hear more about this couple. I'm worried that things will not turn out well for them.

gnomony
06-30-2011, 08:18 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110630/NEWS03/106300305/Judge-Prosecutor-s-case-sealing-search-warrants-missing-couple-case-weak?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"The state lacked the proof required to win a court order sealing search-warrant information related to a police investigation of an Essex couple who went missing June 8, a lower-court judge said in a ruling issued last week and made public Wednesday.

"The state has not argued that a substantial risk exists to the privacy or safety of the missing individuals," Judge Linda Levitt wrote June 22 in a three-page ruling."

[...]

"The ruling, along with nearly all other court documents connected with the investigation into the disappearance of William and Lorraine Currier, had remained confidential until Vermont Supreme Court Justice Marilyn S. Skoglund ordered its release at the request of the Burlington Free Press.

The search warrant materials, however, remain sealed. The high court, at Donovan's request, agreed Monday to withhold the documents while justices consider his appeal of the ruling by Levitt and two subsequent rulings by Judge James Crucitti affirming her decision."

shefner
06-30-2011, 10:43 AM
Any idea why they are wanting to seal the search warrant? Wonder what items were recovered in the search....and why its so important to keep that information sealed?

gnomony
07-04-2011, 05:32 PM
http://www.wcax.com/story/15022901/tribute-to-missing-essex-couple?redirected=true
"Tribute to missing Essex couple"

shefner
07-04-2011, 05:47 PM
http://www.wcax.com/story/15022901/tribute-to-missing-essex-couple?redirected=true
"Tribute to missing Essex couple"

How sad. This is such a mysterious case and I really hope there will eventually be some answers as to what happened to this couple.

bench_monkey
07-04-2011, 06:32 PM
http://www.wcax.com/story/15022901/tribute-to-missing-essex-couple?redirected=true
"Tribute to missing Essex couple"

"Police say they are growing increasingly concerned that one or both of the Currier's may no longer be alive."

Correct me if I am wrong, but is this the first time that the terminology "one or both" has been used?

TickleB
07-10-2011, 11:54 PM
Police have released the following information:

• A gun the Currier's recently purchased was missing from the home. Investigators have declined to identify the firearm or to say whether they believe it was stolen.

• The window of an interior door connecting the garage to the house was smashed, scattering bits of broken glass inside the garage.

• Belongings the couple likely would have taken on a vacation remained at the house.

• An unidentified witness might have seen a man other than Bill Currier driving the couple’s car, a green Saturn, on June 9 on Pearl Street in Essex Junction. Police found the car June 10 parked outside an apartment building at 241 Pearl St., less than a mile from the Currier's house and a short walk from a bus stop.


SOURCE: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110709/NEWS02/110708016/One-month-later-Essex-couple-still-missing-?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

shefner
07-11-2011, 12:54 AM
I find it interesting that broken glass was found in the garage since that would tend to indicate the glass was broken from inside the house. If the window was broken to gain entrance into the home, you would expect to find the glass inside the home.

TickleB
07-11-2011, 01:06 AM
And they are now on the VT missing persons website.

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/missing/currier_lorrain_bill.html

glorias
07-11-2011, 04:49 AM
I would guess the window was broken in a struggle. There has been no word on whether there are signs that someone messed with any locks or anything, correct?

TickleB
07-11-2011, 10:41 AM
I would guess the window was broken in a struggle. There has been no word on whether there are signs that someone messed with any locks or anything, correct?

There hasn't been a word on anything lately. They are so tight lipped about this case it's unreal. It's really starting to peeve a lot of Vermonters off actually. :banghead:

ALM1981
07-12-2011, 12:15 PM
I am so annoyed with the lack of attention paid to this case these days. There's no mention of it anymore, unless it about the fight over the search warrants.

Why hasn't there been a volunteer search? It makes me think that police know a lot more than they're telling us. The residents of the town deserve to know, at a bare minimum, if this was random or targeted. I'm a single Mom, living less than a mile from the Currier's home and for the last month or so I have been petrified. I got a security system for my house that is wireless so cutting the phone lines wouldn't disarm it.

Why are they being so secretive about this? In any other missing persons case, you will see the police out as much as possible to get the information out to help find ANYTHING that could lead to finding out what happened to these people. There's definitely a reason they are being so tight-lipped about it. I have to say that I am disappointed in the VSP. No, they are not obligated to tell us details, but at least give us updates (even if there are none) to make it known it hasn't been forgotten. If you can't tell the public something, fine, I understand not compromising an investigation, but at least tell us that.

I think this case has been handled poorly from day one. I have been born and raised in Vermont and I love this State tremendously; there is no place I'd rather live. However, I'm disappointed and I have serious doubts that Vermont can handle this or that anything will ever be known about what happened. It's sad.

And where is Nancy Grace? She usually jumps all over these cases. Because they're older or because it's Vermont, it gets ignored? So frustrating.

glorias
07-12-2011, 06:02 PM
I agree, ALM1981, but sadly I'm following another case here where the police aren't doing anything, either. It's not at all related to the Curriers, but there are similarities in how little information we're getting. You really do have to wonder why they're being so quiet.

jglavan
07-14-2011, 09:00 AM
ALM1981 -- as a member of the media who also wants to keep this case out there, I understand your sentiments! Would you be willing to speak with us about your concern? Maybe getting a story out there that people in the area want answers and are still thinking about the Curriers could help....

I'm at 802-233-3327 or jglavan@hearst.com

Thanks!

Jill Glavan
WPTZ

TickleB
07-14-2011, 04:07 PM
I am so annoyed with the lack of attention paid to this case these days. There's no mention of it anymore, unless it about the fight over the search warrants.

Why hasn't there been a volunteer search? It makes me think that police know a lot more than they're telling us. The residents of the town deserve to know, at a bare minimum, if this was random or targeted. I'm a single Mom, living less than a mile from the Currier's home and for the last month or so I have been petrified. I got a security system for my house that is wireless so cutting the phone lines wouldn't disarm it.

Why are they being so secretive about this? In any other missing persons case, you will see the police out as much as possible to get the information out to help find ANYTHING that could lead to finding out what happened to these people. There's definitely a reason they are being so tight-lipped about it. I have to say that I am disappointed in the VSP. No, they are not obligated to tell us details, but at least give us updates (even if there are none) to make it known it hasn't been forgotten. If you can't tell the public something, fine, I understand not compromising an investigation, but at least tell us that.

I think this case has been handled poorly from day one. I have been born and raised in Vermont and I love this State tremendously; there is no place I'd rather live. However, I'm disappointed and I have serious doubts that Vermont can handle this or that anything will ever be known about what happened. It's sad.

And where is Nancy Grace? She usually jumps all over these cases. Because they're older or because it's Vermont, it gets ignored? So frustrating.

I agree 100%.

gnomony
07-15-2011, 02:41 PM
"Monday morning the Essex Police Department will update the media on the case of an Essex couple that has been missing for more than a month."

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110715/NEWS02/110715011/Police-brief-media-missing-couple-case-Monday-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

gnomony
07-18-2011, 10:53 AM
"Foul play is suspected in the case of an Essex couple that has been missing for more than a month, Essex police said for the first time Monday."

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110718/NEWS02/110718015/Essex-police-Foul-play-suspected-missing-couple-case?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE

gnomony
07-18-2011, 11:21 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110718/NEWS02/110718018/Currier-case-search-warrants-must-remained-sealed-now-Vermont-high-court-rules

Interesting that it was s split decision...

"In a sharply worded dissent, Associate Justice John Dooley said he supported the lower court’s decision to release the documents because there was no information in them that would compromise the police investigation."

ALM1981
07-18-2011, 01:13 PM
Seriously? Over a month to tell us "foul play suspected." Someone commented on the article asking where the ground searches are with volunteers, where are the cadaver dogs, where is the helicopter search with radar? Agreed. Then I read that the VT Police have "consulted" with the FBI and U.S. Marshals. So, it doesn't appear that the FBI is actually on the case. And, I'm confused...I thought U.S. Marshals were used mostly to find fugitives and protect witnesses?

My expectations of this case being solved are even lower than they were before - and let me tell you, they weren't too high then.

Two articles, basically the same, since nothing was really given. Oh, and the sketch of the person driving the car isn't credible anymore (also not a huge shock with an eyewitness account of a stranger driving a random car before anyone knew it was missing).

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110718/NEWS02/110718015/Essex-police-Foul-play-suspected-missing-couple-case?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE

http://www.wcax.com/story/15099579/vt-police-foul-play-suspected-in-disappearance?redirected=true

:(

wh1174
07-18-2011, 10:01 PM
Has there been any statements from any of Lorraine's co-workers or officials of Fletcher Allen?

This whole incident is so disturbing, and the police statement that people should "lock their doors" send up red flags.

K9-Chaser
07-19-2011, 12:19 AM
Seriously? Over a month to tell us "foul play suspected." Someone commented on the article asking where the ground searches are with volunteers, where are the cadaver dogs, where is the helicopter search with radar? Agreed. Then I read that the VT Police have "consulted" with the FBI and U.S. Marshals. So, it doesn't appear that the FBI is actually on the case. And, I'm confused...I thought U.S. Marshals were used mostly to find fugitives and protect witnesses?

[Snipped for space]

:(

(I haven't been following this case closely like others so this is just my assumption.)

I am guessing that there isn't enough info. to lead authorities to conclude that the Currier's are deceased so that's why there may not have been cadaver dog searches. Also, besides around the home area and where their vehicle was parked, where else would be searched? Doing cadaver work takes a fair amount of time and effort and without having any actual information or evidence on where to search, it isn't prudent to use certain resources. I would think that a cadaver dog would have worked the Currier's home, their vehicle, and where the vehicle was located, but I haven't seen this mentioned.

I am assuming where you mention "helicopter search with radar" that you mean a FLIR unit (forward looking infrared which is an imaging technology that senses infrared radiation). This would have had to have been used very early on. I am not sure the availabilty of this but I am sure that this can be used if again, there was information or evidence that the Currier's were in a particular area. Using "air resources" are extremely expensive and there appears to be no evidence of what happened to Mr. & Mrs. Currier, therefore the air resources are not prudent to use either.

If there were areas of interest then possibly the areas could be imaged by an imager in a helicopter (or in certain types of planes), and then the images could be analyzed. But again, there has to be evidence pointing to some place.

It must be very frustrating for the family, friends and people of Essex Junction, not knowing what happened and where the Currier's are (prayers for them all). Hopefully the police have information that at this time, they can't release that they are holding on to, waiting for information that will break this case. Let's hope so.

glorias
07-19-2011, 08:07 AM
I definitely agree that the use of cadaver dogs is problematic if there isn't a pretty contained area to search. The police did use search dogs last month around the home

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110613/NEWS02/110613018/Essex-police-search-dogs-look-clues-couple-s-disappearance

I thought they used dogs to search the Dumpster they seized, the one that their car was found next to, but I might be mistaken on that.

wh1174
07-19-2011, 08:55 AM
(I haven't been following this case closely like others so this is just my assumption.)

I am guessing that there isn't enough info. to lead authorities to conclude that the Currier's are deceased so that's why there may not have been cadaver dog searches. Also, besides around the home area and where their vehicle was parked, where else would be searched? Doing cadaver work takes a fair amount of time and effort and without having any actual information or evidence on where to search, it isn't prudent to use certain resources. I would think that a cadaver dog would have worked the Currier's home, their vehicle, and where the vehicle was located, but I haven't seen this mentioned.

I am assuming where you mention "helicopter search with radar" that you mean a FLIR unit (forward looking infrared which is an imaging technology that senses infrared radiation). This would have had to have been used very early on. I am not sure the availabilty of this but I am sure that this can be used if again, there was information or evidence that the Currier's were in a particular area. Using "air resources" are extremely expensive and there appears to be no evidence of what happened to Mr. & Mrs. Currier, therefore the air resources are not prudent to use either.

If there were areas of interest then possibly the areas could be imaged by an imager in a helicopter (or in certain types of planes), and then the images could be analyzed. But again, there has to be evidence pointing to some place.

It must be very frustrating for the family, friends and people of Essex Junction, not knowing what happened and where the Currier's are (prayers for them all). Hopefully the police have information that at this time, they can't release that they are holding on to, waiting for information that will break this case. Let's hope so.
To K-9:
I travel through Essex every day... I see the vast fields for miles and miles on the outskirts of town. My eyes look over the miles of vacant potential hidden spots where they could be hidden. This makes me so sad and afraid inside that if their bodies are out there somewhere, they may never be found, or if so later, too late for any evidence to be of any use.

gnomony
07-20-2011, 06:32 AM
"Essex sends DNA from Currier case out of state"

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110720/NEWS02/110719033/Essex-sends-DNA-from-Currier-case-out-state?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"Two newly certified cadaver dogs — the first in the history of the Vermont State Police — are part of the effort to find a missing Essex couple."

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110720/NEWS02/110719032/Vermont-State-Police-gain-cadaver-sniffing-dogs

K9-Chaser
07-20-2011, 11:22 AM
To K-9:
I travel through Essex every day... I see the vast fields for miles and miles on the outskirts of town. My eyes look over the miles of vacant potential hidden spots where they could be hidden. This makes me so sad and afraid inside that if their bodies are out there somewhere, they may never be found, or if so later, too late for any evidence to be of any use.

I do understand this - it must be so painful for the family to try to continue their lives doing the same thing ... wondering if any field of acreage of woods might be "the place."

I think trying to work this case with live scent to see if there is the exit trail out would be beneficial, hoping to get out of the home area to where they are. This would be lead to areas that should be searched versus looking at all of the areas that you see daily and planning searches more 'randomly', in a manner of speaking.

gnomony
07-20-2011, 04:40 PM
ALM1981 -- as a member of the media who also wants to keep this case out there, I understand your sentiments! Would you be willing to speak with us about your concern? Maybe getting a story out there that people in the area want answers and are still thinking about the Curriers could help....

I'm at 802-233-3327 or jglavan@hearst.com

Thanks!

Jill Glavan
WPTZ
http://www.wptz.com/news/28612366/detail.html
"Large-Scale Searches Possible In Currier Case"

K9-Chaser
07-20-2011, 05:11 PM
I do understand this - it must be so painful for the family to try to continue their lives doing the same thing ... wondering if any field of acreage of woods might be "the place."

I think trying to work this case with live scent to see if there is the exit trail out would be beneficial, hoping to get out of the home area to where they are. This would be lead to areas that should be searched versus looking at all of the areas that you see daily and planning searches more 'randomly', in a manner of speaking.

I saw today that the State of Vermont has two new excellent cadaver dogs - this is terrific! Using these two cadaver dogs along with a specially trained trailing dog to work on trailing to where the Currier's went when they left their home ... this would be quite the combination of resources.

K9-Chaser
07-20-2011, 05:30 PM
I agree, ALM1981, but sadly I'm following another case here where the police aren't doing anything, either. It's not at all related to the Curriers, but there are similarities in how little information we're getting. You really do have to wonder why they're being so quiet.

glorias, I don't believe that it is fair to state that "the police aren't doing anything, either." My bet is there is much overtime being compensated for personnel working on this case who not only are working this case because it is assigned to them, but because they care and want answers. My thought is that some may *know* the Currier's, whom from what I have read, are wonderful people.

We have no idea what the police are doing and there is a reason for this. These investigations are worked within their own 'law enforcement' confines. This happens all of the time - it is the way that investigations are handled. There are many things that can't be discussed because only the perpetrator(s) would know and to release info. to the public would be detrimental to the case.

I know that it would be better for us here in the forum, to know what is going on. Maybe there are not many answers - maybe there are a few answers but not enough to make arrests, etc.

If any of us have answers or suggestions to any of the cases that we know about here on Websleuth's, we can post them. Some LE agencies have one or more of their personnel check on these forums for various reasons. So knowing this, just in case the Essex Police Department is monitoring this forum, we can lend our own suggestions and theories.

glorias
07-20-2011, 06:51 PM
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glorias, I don't believe that it is fair to state that "the police aren't doing anything, either." My bet is there is much overtime being compensated for personnel working on this case who not only are working this case because it is assigned to them, but because they care and want answers. My thought is that some may *know* the Currier's, whom from what I have read, are wonderful people.

We have no idea what the police are doing and there is a reason for this.

To be fair, what I said (and what I responded to) was written before the most recent news we've had about the cadaver dogs and the DNA. No bashing of LE was intended; I didn't mean to imply they "weren't doing anything" for bad, irresponsible, or negative reasons, although I realize it sounded that way. I wrote a quick response instead of being more thorough as I should have been.

liz b.
07-20-2011, 06:54 PM
IMO the strangest part of this case is the apparent lack of motive. Lorraine told a colleague that a man was bothering her, she believed he might have stalked her. That is the only possible motive that I can see for abduction and/or murder of one or both of these people. I wonder if Lorraine went into detail about this man when she was talking to her friend ? I hope so, because at least LE would have some more details to go on.

I also wonder if this case is connected to the abduction and murder of Pat Hagan in Vermont ? What stands out is that Lorraine was not a 20 something, an age to attract stalkers. Could it be that the abducter has some kind of preference for middle aged and possibly older women ? Just some thoughts... MOO

K9-Chaser
07-20-2011, 08:51 PM
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To be fair, what I said (and what I responded to) was written before the most recent news we've had about the cadaver dogs and the DNA. No bashing of LE was intended; I didn't mean to imply they "weren't doing anything" for bad, irresponsible, or negative reasons, although I realize it sounded that way. I wrote a quick response instead of being more thorough as I should have been.

Totally understand ... there are times when I go on a case that there seems to be no information that has been released so I really can't prepare too much of the work that I am going to do except for some basic things that have been discussed via phone. Then when I get there and sit down with LE, that's when I find out a lot of information about the case and make my plans of what I will be doing and the order of it.

When I listen to LE, I can tell why the information is not released. One big thing is if LE has someone of interest but they can't release that info., just think what might happen if that info. was leaked out prematurely. I think of myself if it were my loved one missing that we were having a hard time finding and it seemed like a murder ... if I had any inkling of someone being linked to my missing loved one, I'd be right there at their house doing God knows what. This is just one reason and of course there are hundred's more.

TickleB
07-20-2011, 09:00 PM
To K-9:
I travel through Essex every day... I see the vast fields for miles and miles on the outskirts of town. My eyes look over the miles of vacant potential hidden spots where they could be hidden. This makes me so sad and afraid inside that if their bodies are out there somewhere, they may never be found, or if so later, too late for any evidence to be of any use.

All over Burlington is like that. When I drive along the belt-line into Colchester I get chills. There is nothing but swampy water, high grass, and fields also perfect to hide people. There are so many places around here it's unreal, which is why I don't understand why there hasn't been a volunteer search given.

TickleB
07-20-2011, 09:03 PM
http://www.wptz.com/news/28612366/detail.html
"Large-Scale Searches Possible In Currier Case"

Wow....Really? Bout darn time!

K9-Chaser
07-20-2011, 09:37 PM
All over Burlington is like that. When I drive along the belt-line into Colchester I get chills. There is nothing but swampy water, high grass, and fields also perfect to hide people. There are so many places around here it's unreal, which is why I don't understand why there hasn't been a volunteer search given.

Obviously this is very time consuming and there's a lot to doing volunteer searches and a lot of expense to the volunteer searchers. But putting that aside, like you said above, that 'there are so many places around here it's unreal', (rhetorically asked) where would you choose and what would be the justifications for doing so?

JUST READ what TickleB wrote below *after* I wrote the above --- this is GREAT NEWS!

TickleB
07-21-2011, 03:58 AM
Obviously this is very time consuming and there's a lot to doing volunteer searches and a lot of expense to the volunteer searchers. But putting that aside, like you said above, that 'there are so many places around here it's unreal', (rhetorically asked) where would you choose and what would be the justifications for doing so?

JUST READ what TickleB wrote below *after* I wrote the above --- this is GREAT NEWS!

There are a lot of hiking trails around here, and to be honest some of the trails are quite scary. Not too long ago I remember walking along a trail that scared the crap out of me because to the right side there was at least a 50 ft drop off. Fall in that and I doubt I would have been found for a long time. We just had a lot of flooding here also so normal trails and regular woods are now filled with swampy looking areas.

I've been rattling my brain though the past month as to where in Burlington/Essex/Colchester would be a " good spot " because the abductor obviously didn't go very far if the car was found so close to the house.

I've also been thinking that since the houses around here are older houses, and Victorian style houses, many of them have crawl spaces. Maybe they weren't dumped. Before moving where I am now I lived in a house that was almost 100 yrs old. The basement was still pretty much nothing but dirt and stone with 3 crawl spaces. Easy to dig in, if you guys get my drift. It's just a theory is all.

ALM1981
07-21-2011, 02:12 PM
In response to the talk about places they could be, I keep thinking about the dam and that area over near IBM/Overlook Park area. I go by there all the time and I go slow and kinda try to keep an eye out in the water for anything suspicious.

SuziQ
07-21-2011, 02:19 PM
In response to the talk about places they could be, I keep thinking about the dam and that area over near IBM/Overlook Park area. I go by there all the time and I go slow and kinda try to keep an eye out in the water for anything suspicious.

BBM. Thank you for doing that. You never know how it will help. One of our sleuthers scoping out a pond found a missing man by spotting a car antenna sticking up out of the water.

TickleB
07-21-2011, 07:15 PM
In response to the talk about places they could be, I keep thinking about the dam and that area over near IBM/Overlook Park area. I go by there all the time and I go slow and kinda try to keep an eye out in the water for anything suspicious.

I do the same thing along the belt-line. I even got out of my car the other day along the shoulder and pretended to take pics. I didn't want to look to weird along there lol.

Went to Red Rocks the other day. Wanted to go today but it is way too hot. Here are a couple pics for the people who don't know the area to just get a general idea of the trails I am talking about.

liz b.
07-21-2011, 10:01 PM
I do the same thing along the belt-line. I even got out of my car the other day along the shoulder and pretended to take pics. I didn't want to look to weird along there lol.

Went to Red Rocks the other day. Wanted to go today but it is way too hot. Here are a couple pics for the people who don't know the area to just get a general idea of the trails I am talking about.

Not wanting to be gross, but if the weather has been hot, watch out for turkey buzzards or other carrion birds circling in the sky...Just a thought...

ALM1981
07-22-2011, 10:21 AM
There's been another incident of violence in our area, I don't know what is going on, this is unprecedented to have two such incidents happen so close together.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110722/NEWS02/110722008/Burlington-police-say-significant-progress-made-homicide-case?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

I think the Essex Police could take some cues from the Burlington Police Department. BPD seems to always be right on top of things and very communicative with the public.

TickleB
07-22-2011, 04:56 PM
There's been another incident of violence in our area, I don't know what is going on, this is unprecedented to have two such incidents happen so close together.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110722/NEWS02/110722008/Burlington-police-say-significant-progress-made-homicide-case?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

I think the Essex Police could take some cues from the Burlington Police Department. BPD seems to always be right on top of things and very communicative with the public.

Unreal.....


At least this man was caught and there are not 2 suspects on the loose in Burlington.

This guy liked to hang on Church St. a lot. I'm pretty sure I had seem him at least 3 or 4 times being down there around the bus terminal. If it wasn't him it was someone who looked a lot like him.

gnomony
07-22-2011, 05:29 PM
This guy liked to hang on Church St. a lot. I'm pretty sure I had seem him at least 3 or 4 times being down there around the bus terminal. If it wasn't him it was someone who looked a lot like him.

Daniel W. looks a lot like Scott W.

http://www.wcax.com/story/14059762/plea-deal-in-burlington-mugging?redirected=true

Brothers? (Facebook friends...)

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-23-2011, 05:57 PM
DNA testing planned in probe of Vermont couple's disappearance

Officials in Vermont say they're pursuing DNA testing in a bid to crack the case of an Essex couple whose disappearance has puzzled investigators.

More: http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/30eaa52cd62a439db0d433c073dde9cf/VT--Missing-Couple/

Cazzie
07-24-2011, 08:35 AM
DNA testing planned in probe of Vermont couple's disappearance

Officials in Vermont say they're pursuing DNA testing in a bid to crack the case of an Essex couple whose disappearance has puzzled investigators.

More: http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/30eaa52cd62a439db0d433c073dde9cf/VT--Missing-Couple/
That is intriguing...

Just like most everything about this case!

Hope they are found soon (and safe)! I wonder why info is sealed...what could they have been involved with, or known?

TickleB
07-25-2011, 12:46 AM
There's been another incident of violence in our area, I don't know what is going on, this is unprecedented to have two such incidents happen so close together.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110722/NEWS02/110722008/Burlington-police-say-significant-progress-made-homicide-case?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

I think the Essex Police could take some cues from the Burlington Police Department. BPD seems to always be right on top of things and very communicative with the public.

Is there are thread about this case I searched but couldn't find it.

holbrook
07-25-2011, 09:44 PM
Is there are thread about this case I searched but couldn't find it.

Why would there be a thread? Isnt this website for unsolved cases?

holbrook
07-25-2011, 09:48 PM
To K-9:
I travel through Essex every day... I see the vast fields for miles and miles on the outskirts of town. My eyes look over the miles of vacant potential hidden spots where they could be hidden. This makes me so sad and afraid inside that if their bodies are out there somewhere, they may never be found, or if so later, too late for any evidence to be of any use.

Yes, very true. There are many potential hiding spots. Overlook Park, which was mentioned earlier, is actually a very good place. Everytime I go there I am amazed by how great a hiding place it could be.

A little closer to their house there is the Winooski Valley Park across from Fort Ethan Allen.... And, the Winooski River is very close too.

TickleB
07-27-2011, 12:34 AM
Why would there be a thread? Isnt this website for unsolved cases?

Well considering ALL cases start out as unsolved cases I was just asking. I have seen many threads that have been solved.

gnomony
07-27-2011, 06:38 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110727/NEWS02/107270315/Essex-police-discuss-warrants-used-search-couple?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"Essex police have used 13 search warrants and 18 subpoenas in their effort to learn more about the mysterious disappearance of an Essex couple seven weeks ago."

Wanting2Help
07-27-2011, 09:51 AM
Why didn't the "freind" ask for more details about the possible "stalker"? If it was my friend I would ask for every detail they could provide in the case something happened or I could help in any way... Or do you think LE are just not releasing the additional info from the freind?

gnomony
08-03-2011, 11:26 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110803/NEWS02/110803001/Currier-Cass-cases-show-contrast-police-response?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"A record number of Vermont State Police troopers participated in the search for a missing 11-year-old New Hampshire girl Monday. In the case of a missing Essex couple, state police have assigned two detectives to the investigation full-time and use other officers as Essex police request."

KaylynnCouture
08-04-2011, 05:15 PM
Search Expands For Missing Vermont Couple

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110804/NEWS02/110804026/Search-expands-missing-Vermont-couple?odyssey=nav|head

bench_monkey
08-04-2011, 05:40 PM
Search Expands For Missing Vermont Couple

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110804/NEWS02/110804026/Search-expands-missing-Vermont-couple?odyssey=nav|head

Police said 40 unaccounted for miles on the couple's car ...... led police to expand the search to a 20 mile radius.


I want to know how they know this for sure....

gnomony
08-04-2011, 05:57 PM
Police said 40 unaccounted for miles on the couple's car ...... led police to expand the search to a 20 mile radius.


I want to know how they know this for sure....

Could be a mileage notation on a receipt for a recent oil change, "X" days earlier, plus round trip mileage to work for "X" days. Not precise, but at least something to go on. They didn't say the car had been driven out 20 miles and back, only that there were 40 unaccounted-for miles.

bench_monkey
08-07-2011, 03:15 PM
Could be a mileage notation on a receipt for a recent oil change, "X" days earlier, plus round trip mileage to work for "X" days. Not precise, but at least something to go on. They didn't say the car had been driven out 20 miles and back, only that there were 40 unaccounted-for miles.

That's making a big assumption that they didn't go anywhere else but work.

glorias
08-07-2011, 10:47 PM
I would hope when they said "unaccounted for" they included driving the couple may have done that no one else knew about. Or perhaps they know from phone calls or neighbors that the couple didn't go anywhere that night once they came home from work.

SuziQ
08-07-2011, 10:59 PM
Did they keep track of mileage for work, tax write off? It's the only thing I can come up with.

gnomony
08-08-2011, 06:46 AM
I would hope when they said "unaccounted for" they included driving the couple may have done that no one else knew about. Or perhaps they know from phone calls or neighbors that the couple didn't go anywhere that night once they came home from work.

The "unaccounted for" category doesn't require accounting for something no one knows about. On the face of it, I'm assuming it simply means they know what the mileage was at one point, they know about certain trips (i.e., to work), and that there is some mileage usage left over. That allows them to limit a search to places the car might have been. If there were 400 unaccounted for miles, the search area would be a radius of 200 miles, which wouldn't be very helpful. A radius of 20 miles is more manageable. Of course, it's understood that that mileage might have been around town, but at least it allows them to limit the search area to where the car might have gone.

Anyway, that's my interpretation, FWIW...

Mirage
08-17-2011, 12:03 PM
I still dont understand if this missing persons case really has anything to do with this court case or not... seems it must be connected somehow, but I dont get it. Unless Bill was really an FBI agent or something, that makes them want this kept secret... hmmm....

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110817/NEWS02/110816026/1007/ACLU-enters-case-involving-Currier-search-warrants

SuziQ
08-17-2011, 04:50 PM
I still dont understand if this missing persons case really has anything to do with this court case or not... seems it must be connected somehow, but I dont get it. Unless Bill was really an FBI agent or something, that makes them want this kept secret... hmmm....

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110817/NEWS02/110816026/1007/ACLU-enters-case-involving-Currier-search-warrants

LE sure is going to great lengths to keep this under rap.

MNlady
08-17-2011, 09:28 PM
Police said 40 unaccounted for miles on the couple's car ...... led police to expand the search to a 20 mile radius.


I want to know how they know this for sure....

For goodness sakes, it's right there on the 'second' page of the newspaper article~!


Detectives started with the mileage recorded on the vehicle’s odometer, and subtracted from that figure the car’s mileage logged June 4 in a service receipt. Detectives then subtracted from that total the mileage of known trips the Curriers made since June 4 — to and from work, to the market, to visit a relative — and accounted for all but 40 miles.


Presumably, police said, the car could have traveled about 20 miles one-way from where police found the vehicle, outside an apartment complex on Pearl Street.

Wanting2Help
08-23-2011, 10:59 AM
Not sure if this article has been posted yet...

http://www.fox44now.com/story/15209285/new-search-for-missing-essex-couple?clienttype=printable

gnomony
09-07-2011, 10:32 AM
ACLU argues for release of Currier case warrants
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110907/NEWS02/109070301/ACLU-argues-release-Currier-case-warrants?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

gnomony
09-08-2011, 06:56 PM
Nothing new... Collecting more DNA samples (what?)

http://www.fox44now.com/story/15422229/3-months-since-essex-vt-couple-went-missing

glorias
09-08-2011, 09:01 PM
I'm glad to see a Crimestoppers commercial being produced. I don't live anywhere near the Curriers, but locally we had a commercial for an unsolved murder run 4 years, and it finally worked and caught the murderer. (Who was unfortunately a co-worker of mine, but that's another story.)

Let's hope the new DNA samples means they have new leads they're working.

gnomony
09-08-2011, 10:28 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110908/NEWS02/110908010/Essex-police-sought-evidence-burglary-Currier-search-records-show?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Essex police sought evidence of burglary in Currier search

bench_monkey
10-06-2011, 02:30 PM
I'm glad to see a Crimestoppers commercial being produced. I don't live anywhere near the Curriers, but locally we had a commercial for an unsolved murder run 4 years, and it finally worked and caught the murderer. (Who was unfortunately a co-worker of mine, but that's another story.)

Let's hope the new DNA samples means they have new leads they're working.

Has anyone local actually seen this commercial yet? I don't believe that I have.....

TickleB
10-06-2011, 11:39 PM
Has anyone local actually seen this commercial yet? I don't believe that I have.....

I haven't either.

bench_monkey
10-07-2011, 09:39 AM
Interesting!

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111007/NEWS02/110070309/New-information-leads-police-resume-search-missing-Essex-couple?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

KaylynnCouture
10-11-2011, 11:39 AM
Search Warrants Released

http://www.wptz.com/r/29442434/detail.html (Video and article at link)

gnomony
10-11-2011, 01:44 PM
Search Warrants Released

http://www.wptz.com/r/29442434/detail.html (Video and article at link)

The AP left out the most interesting part, included in the Free Press article http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111010/NEWS02/111010005/Court-releases-documents-case-missing-Essex-couple-William-Lorraine-Currier-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"The prosecutor also declined comment regarding the seizure of a 'pipe and baggie with residue' from the basement..."

So now, at least, we have a clue as to what might have been going on...

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-16-2011, 05:40 PM
Detective: Currier Case Could Go National

Newschannel Five sat down with an Essex Police detective investigating the disappearance of Bill and Lorraine Currier, who said his team is considering a push beyond Vermont to help solve the case.

Lt. George Murtie said that local, state and federal investigators continued to work on the case non-stop.
Read more: http://www.wptz.com/news/29466085/detail.html#ixzz1az1vadvM

liz b.
10-17-2011, 12:21 AM
The AP left out the most interesting part, included in the Free Press article http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111010/NEWS02/111010005/Court-releases-documents-case-missing-Essex-couple-William-Lorraine-Currier-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

"The prosecutor also declined comment regarding the seizure of a 'pipe and baggie with residue' from the basement..."

So now, at least, we have a clue as to what might have been going on...

I wonder exactly what the "military documents" were that were taken from a dresser in the house ? As referenced in the article..... MOO

CatFancier
10-24-2011, 11:24 PM
bout a dozen people have voluntarily provided DNA samples to Essex police as part of the criminal investigation into the mysterious disappearance of William and Lorraine Currier about 4½ months ago.

Capt. Brad LaRose, the town’s acting police chief, said the requests are part of the investigation the department has undertaken to try to determine what happened to the couple.

LaRose declined to say if any of the roughly 12 people providing DNA have been eliminated as suspects or whether any of the donors were now considered people of interest.

He said the requests are as much about trying to eliminate people as they are about trying to find a suspect.

“We have no prime suspect,” he said.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111024/NEWS02/111023017/1007/Police-take-DNA-samples-Currier-investigation-

bench_monkey
10-25-2011, 11:53 AM
This is big news about a new search....
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111025/NEWS02/111025024/Call-made-William-Currier-s-cell-phone-used-define-search-area-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

bench_monkey
10-26-2011, 10:00 AM
Where the police searched for the Curriers....

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111026/NEWS02/111025035/Where-police-searched-Curriers-?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

Wanting2Help
10-26-2011, 11:30 AM
Where the police searched for the Curriers....

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111026/NEWS02/111025035/Where-police-searched-Curriers-?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

Is there someone on this thread that is good with maps that can use the info in the article to create a map for us? TIA

Its sad that they are not getting more attention!! I'm glad LE is finally researching the area!

Wanting2Help
12-01-2011, 07:47 AM
An article where The Curriers are mention, mostly it is about missing Vermonters and NamUs...

http://7dvt.com/2011vermont-missing-persons

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
01-07-2012, 05:39 PM
Essex neighbors feel loss of missing couple

The void in the neighborhood feels greatest during the holidays, Laurie Singer says.

Singer’s family lived next door to Bill and Lorraine Currier for years. The couple’s ranch-style home on Colbert Street in Essex, which used to come alive each Halloween and Christmas, has stood dormant these past six months.

More: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120103/NEWS02/120102025/Essex-neighbors-feel-loss-missing-couple-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120103/NEWS02/120102025/Essex-neighbors-feel-loss-missing-couple-?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE)

Wanting2Help
01-10-2012, 08:09 AM
Snipped from article above...

Currier searches

Bill and Lorraine Currier were last seen leaving work at about 5 p.m. June 8. Police have said they suspect the Essex couple were at their home at 8 Colbert St. early that evening. At about 10 a.m. the next day, Bill Currier’s sister reported the couple missing. By 10 p.m. that day, Essex police obtained a search warrant for the home and asked the Vermont State Police to check a camp in Norton that the family shared. The Curriers’ car was found June 10 near a Dumpster at an apartment complex at 241 Pearl St. in Essex, about three-quarters of a mile from their home.
Here are searches police have undertaken:
• June 10: A police canine searches the area where the car was discovered.
• June 13: Police conduct searches at Gauthier Park, from Pearl Street west to Susie Wilson Road and the wooded area west of Lowe’s on Susie Wilson Road. New England Canine assisted.
• June 20: Police search the dead end section of Susie Wilson Road by foot.
• June 24: Police search 68 acres on Pearl Street heading east; 199 Old Colchester Road; northern end of the Champlain Valley Fairgrounds; Parizo Drive; South Street; Cascade Street; Lamore Road; the pull-off area of exit 11 on the Circumferential Highway; River Road near Mazza’s; Indian Brook Reservoir; Vermont 15 at the Browns River; Vermont 128 at the Browns River; the Essex side of North Williston Road; Williston Overlook; River Cove Road; Mill Pond Road in Colchester and Colchester Pond parking lot; and the water treatment area behind St. Michael’s College.
• June 28: Cadaver dog searches near an undisclosed South Burlington residence near Burlington International Airport.
• July 14: Three cadaver dogs search Susie Wilson Road, Gauthier Drive and Pearl Street Park.
• Aug. 4: The Vermont State Police lead a search that covers Old Stage, Lost Nation, Colonel Page, Indian Brook and McGee roads.
• Mid-September: Verizon phone carrier provides more information in response to earlier subpoenas, and investigators determine a cellphone tower in Fort Ethan Allen was used to relay a call from Burlington to William Currier’s cellphone at 7:26 a.m. June 9 that went to voicemail. The cellphone is dead and has not been recovered, but the FBI determines the general area for the next search.
• Oct. 13: Cadaver dog searches the north end of Kenyon Road in Richmond.
• Oct. 25: 34 police and rescue personnel — the largest search party in the case — comb woods, fields and along the Winooski River. Some areas are repeats, and police said they could return to some locations.

gnomony
01-10-2012, 02:15 PM
Anyone have a clue as to what caused LE to search the north end of Kenyon Road in Richmond? (The north end is close by a lot of recent construction).

bench_monkey
01-14-2012, 03:48 PM
Anyone have a clue as to what caused LE to search the north end of Kenyon Road in Richmond? (The north end is close by a lot of recent construction).

Perhaps they were following up on a lead?

TickleB
01-28-2012, 05:14 PM
Can't believe it's been 6 months and still nothing.

bench_monkey
02-07-2012, 12:34 PM
This is the first I have heard about any suspect.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120207/NEWS02/120207011/Essex-police-take-fingerprints-from-Currier-home-burglary-suspect?odyssey=mod%7Cbreaking%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

bench_monkey
02-08-2012, 10:23 AM
I heard this morning on the radio that this is a suspect for a robbery that occurred prior to the Currier's disappearance...

summer_breeze
04-12-2012, 12:33 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120412/NEWS02/120412009/Police-digging-at-Essex-site-in-renewed-search-for-missing-Currier-couple?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAG E

12:24 PM, Apr. 12, 2012

ESSEX -- A new effort is under way today along Vermont 15 to find an Essex couple, William and Lorraine Currier, who went missing last June.

gnomony
04-12-2012, 12:43 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120412/NEWS02/120412009/Police-digging-at-Essex-site-in-renewed-search-for-missing-Currier-couple?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAG E

12:24 PM, Apr. 12, 2012

Looks like that vacant house might have been involved (it's torn down now, from what I read)

bench_monkey
04-12-2012, 01:07 PM
Looks like that vacant house might have been involved (it's torn down now, from what I read)

Hazmat suits!

http://www.wptz.com/news/vermont-new-york/burlington/Police-confirm-excavation-is-related-to-Currier-search/-/8869880/10634752/-/hvojwqz/-/index.html

bench_monkey
04-12-2012, 05:20 PM
Video of the dig.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/videonetwork/1559144971001/Raw-video-update-Police-dig-in-Essex-looking-for-missing-Currier-couple

Note the crime scene tape - would they put that up just to keep people out or is it truly a crime scene?

Kat
04-12-2012, 08:18 PM
another article:

http://www.necn.com/04/12/12/New-search-underway-in-Vt-cold-case/landing_newengland.html?blockID=688178&feedID=4206

Apr 12, 2012 7:16pm

article too short to snip. Video at link.

Wanting2Help
04-13-2012, 09:03 AM
Hazmat suits!

http://www.wptz.com/news/vermont-new-york/burlington/Police-confirm-excavation-is-related-to-Currier-search/-/8869880/10634752/-/hvojwqz/-/index.html

What does the guy in the hazmat suit have in his hand around the 2:00 mark? I wish they would have shown more of the dog working in the video!

bench_monkey
04-13-2012, 09:16 AM
They are continuing the dig today....

Wanting2Help
04-13-2012, 09:19 AM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120412/NEWS02/120412009/1007/Police-continue-digging-today-search-missing-Curriers

3 page article with a lot of details...

dsntslp
04-13-2012, 09:53 AM
What does the guy in the hazmat suit have in his hand around the 2:00 mark? I wish they would have shown more of the dog working in the video!I would hazard a guess at heavy canvas, like tents and tarps are made from. It appears too stiff to be sheet, not thick like blanket or comforter or sleeping bag. Just guessing though...

bench_monkey
04-13-2012, 10:24 AM
I would hazard a guess at heavy canvas, like tents and tarps are made from. It appears too stiff to be sheet, not thick like blanket or comforter or sleeping bag. Just guessing though...

My first impression when I saw that was that it was burlap, but now I'm not sure.

liz b.
04-13-2012, 12:07 PM
I don't understand why someone would choose their house to break into. It looked no different from the other houses on that street MOO. Also, wouldn't someone breaking in have seen their car in the driveway or carport ?

I wonder what the person who broke in was actually looking for ? MOO

holbrook
04-16-2012, 10:12 PM
I don't understand why someone would choose their house to break into. It looked no different from the other houses on that street MOO. Also, wouldn't someone breaking in have seen their car in the driveway or carport ?

I wonder what the person who broke in was actually looking for ? MOO


We have no real way of knowing whether or not this was just another break in gone bad. They could of been targeted. Especially if they really were buried under that house off Route 15 - if this was random, why go through all the work of going into a basement and burying the bodies.

Wanting2Help
04-17-2012, 10:22 AM
http://www.wptz.com/news/vermont-new-york/Digging-halts-at-Essex-site-connected-to-missing-couple/-/8869914/10711450/-/xa7s3kz/-/index.html

ESSEX, Vt. - Midway through a second day digging up an empty lot in Essex, police halted their heavy equipment to bring in a tent and tarps to examine within the hole.

I says updated 4/16 but I'm not sure what is new...?

bench_monkey
05-07-2012, 03:56 PM
The search moves to a local landfill...

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120507/NEWS02/120507012/Intensive-search-begins-for-Currier-couple-at-Casella-landfill-in-Coventry?odyssey=mod|mostview

gnomony
05-07-2012, 09:22 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110611004 ...regarding LE's removal of the dumpster next to where the car was found, the reporter carefully included an important fact in this earlier article without commenting on it:

"Saturday, residents of the apartments said police removed the Dumpster late Friday night. [snip] Paula Huckleberry, another resident, said she didn’t pay any particular notice when she took some trash to the Dumpster about mid-morning Friday. Not long after, she said, she heard the complex’s trash hauler come and empty the receptacle. (my bold)

In other words, if the couple is deceased and their bodies were in the dumpster, they were hauled away before LE took the dumpster.

I've been waiting for a landfill search ever since the above article was published.

bench_monkey
05-08-2012, 08:44 AM
According to the latest Free Press article:

The search was the first known public followup to a search April 12-13 at the site of a demolished house at 32 Upper Main St. in Essex.

(Full text here:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120507/NEWS02/120507012/Intensive-search-begins-for-Currier-couple-at-Casella-landfill-in-Coventry?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE)

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-09-2012, 04:46 PM
A year later, search continues for Vermont couple

A year after Bill and Loraine Currier disappeared from their Essex home, the search for a resolution to their case continues.

[snip]

Essex Police Chief Brad LaRose declined to give any specifics about the case, but it remains a top priority for his department. The FBI is known to be involved and he referred questions to federal prosecutors.

More: http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/86ecbf212aa24d7fbf3af4e569fd40db/VT--Missing-Couple

summer_breeze
07-20-2012, 08:22 AM
http://www.wcax.com/story/19066484/missing-couple-murdered-the-mystery-unravels

Posted: Jul 19, 2012 2:39 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 19, 2012 7:59 PM EDT
By Jennifer Reading

<snipped>
Federal authorities are planning a press conference to update the public Friday at 11 a.m.

Mirage
07-20-2012, 10:46 AM
I'm so glad to see some resolution for this couple. I'm at work and not able to do video's... hopefully someone will watch and re-cap for us?

kaelee2
07-20-2012, 11:31 AM
According to the link, no remains were found. However a suspect is in custody in another state. The Curriers did not know the suspect and that this was a random act of violance.

http://www.wcax.com/story/19073463/investigators-have-suspect-in-murder-of-curriers

kaelee