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Bittiness39
06-09-2011, 02:24 PM
ICA's face is now buried in her sleeve/garment...
Dr. Utz is talking about the condition of the skull. Hair is extending on top of the skull. Mentions the duct tape. Referring to photo: this is the skull again. And it pictures acurately what it shows. What is flowing down on the skull are strands of hair. The hair mat can be seen on the photo. Another photo of the skull from the side and it is acurately portrayed. Now we are looking at the right side and back of the skull. Can clearly see the hair and the TAPE. The tape appears to be almost covering the eye sockets.

:(.....

Mendara
06-09-2011, 02:28 PM
Showing eye socket part of the skull with the tape right below the eyes.

TiaM
06-09-2011, 02:30 PM
Jim Lichtenstein twitter: "Worst picture yet... Most of skull with hair covering face below eyes, duct tape over mouth and hair."

momtective
06-09-2011, 02:30 PM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/1ICA29.jpg

Girlrilla
06-09-2011, 02:30 PM
"Tell the jury why it's unusual for the mandible to remain attached..."

Hopeful One
06-09-2011, 02:31 PM
Mandible stays in place when moved. Unusual because normally when it reaches this stage of decomp, mandible won't be attached. Still attached because of hair mat and plant material.

SurfieTX
06-09-2011, 02:32 PM
Tape was no longer adhesive, but there were parts that were attached to the hair and had also slightly attached to the mandible.

he thinks the fabric of the tape was stuck to the mandible, but not the "sticky part" of the tape.

Girlrilla
06-09-2011, 02:32 PM
"The mandible is usually left behind; mandible is still attached due to hair mat and plant growth"

"The tape was no longer adhesive but there were still small portions of the hair attached to the tape and to the mandible itself"

"Part of the fabric of the tape was stuck to the mandible vs the adhesive of the tape"

"Roots had grown into and around the hair mat"

Girlrilla
06-09-2011, 02:34 PM
"Once I removed the tape and teased apart the hair the mandible was easily removed"

FaerieB
06-09-2011, 02:38 PM
bobkealing bob kealing
#CaseyAnthony Clearest image yet showing how tape is adhering to jaw. Whiteness of remaining teeth is striking.

Kat
06-09-2011, 02:40 PM
Next photo: the tape after it was separated from the remains. You can see it's wrapped in circular fashion #caseyanthony

by biancamprieto via twitter at 8:39 AM

(yes you could see it was circular) JMHO

wenwe4
06-09-2011, 02:41 PM
BS in biology, MD, clinical pathology, forensic pathology, licensed to practice medicine....forensic path since 1997....

employed in Cincinnatti
Dr. Gary Utz
Dr. G called on 12/11/08- she was leaving town and asked take charge of case until she returned.
contact w/Hansen while @ scene bring back some items found prepared to receive and examine them preliminarly....Dr. G asked him to help w/evidence transfer issue to FBI...

bag contain garbage bags, canvas bag, leaf litter....another bag with skull w/scalp hair and tape...

first photo in series of photos taken ....taken @ his direction...

States exhibit #CM - publish - what you see....don't know if you can tell - 2 plastic bags partially torn, leaf litter & debris....it was near the bag.....zoom in on portion for jury....long bone....bone of the leg....white object....black garbage bag....laundry fabric bag - mixed in with garbage bag and leaf litter.....

pic CN = skull w/hair & tape.....once paper bag ripped away how it looks...publish....kc appears to be sinking lower in chair....

looking @ human skull facing and it is upright....over jaw and facial bones are several pieces of grey colored tape.....there is hair extended over the top of the skull..


skulll again in same position - photo from directly above....pu blish ...same item from above strands of hair flow out.....where hair mat? partially seen down @ bottom...next photo CP - skull from the side...

right side of skull , strands of hair, mat @ bottom of skull, you can see the tape....the eye sockets are in this direction and tape appears to come around the side...

CQ - photo of left side - adherant leaves and twigs - see hair matt - right side of skull partial obscure by leaf.....hair mat has thicker objects appear to be plant roots....next photo CR - pic appearance of the skull - someone is tilting the skull - himself or Dr. Schultz....it is being supported back on the skull is resting on paper bag...held up so face part can be viewed on the camera. publish

Look @ skull face on - see eye sockets...see hair covering skull...look @ pic oriented better - hair partial cover eye sockets - same hair saw underneath and behind skull....below that is tape....this part of the tape - a flap of tape separate from this part...pieces of tape attached to each ....don't recall how many pieces - maybe three - appeared to be more than one.....

CS for identification.....appearance of skull? publish skull tilted so bottom is toward camera....this is bottom of mandible jaw bone - here is portion of the tape rest of this all around base and bottom of skull is hair along with plant roots and pieces of leaves.

(kc holding her fist to chest - calming self- deep breathe, shroud pulled high on neck...)

by the time you reach human decomp - mandible not attached - skull is moved usually rolls around - mandible stays behind...in this case hair mat has in place plant material giving structure to hold bones together...tape is adhearing to ....it is.... tape itself was no longer adhesive ...still stuck in corners small portions of the hair....the fabric part had attached to hair and to the mandible itself....not sticky anymore - part of the fabric was stuck rather than tape itself....small pieces of fabric from tape as well as roots grown in around the hair mat....

removed the tape later - cut away tape and fabric small portions -

next photo - skull w/mandible removed - publish...

teased apart the hair the mandible was easy to remove....unusual where mandible was with the skull...never seen mandible with the skull...

on right side photo - leaf debris - under the skull or around the skull? skull sitting on that while in paper bag...when delievered to him it was under the skull..

CU - gone back a bit - mandible and tape are still there...publish...now we are looking @ skull again - tilted down on left side - this is the right side of the lower jaw and mandible (look up from bottom right mandbile)....backing of the tape is showing how attached to the mandible....magnified pic.....see the little strands of fabric coming from tape....sticking into mandible....on left side of pic...little bit of hair sticking to tape.....all this is fabric....some of this is actually lightly adhearing to bone of the mandible also mixed in with plant roots - seen here and here....root comes under the tape and around the mandible - appears to don't know what it was in original.....lifted edge of tape up...shows multiple layers of tape....nothing else in this photo

CV - photo tape after removed...publish....show pic on screen of duct tape (DS asks kc if she is ok - she nods)

tape separating - appears to be almost in cirular - - explains back part is tape backing....taken into evidence and given to FBI.... approach witness

envelope w/unidentified skeletal remains in evidence bag.....Caylee is in the room

wenwe4
06-09-2011, 02:53 PM
piece of henkle tape not washed


Utz w/JA - states exhibit DD - fabric laundry bag...next photo DE - same item publish

laundry bag......from the side - consists of a canvas fabric 0pen side rigid ring to keep it open....inside bag coated with waterproof or moisture resistant....

inside of bag...photo taken looking directly into opening (not being shown on screen) in larger ...were there things taken out of here? not much - just debris...not cleaned but more things in here...,


photo of the label....EG exhibit - publish photo of label of the bag - next photo other side of label - Whitney design.....publish

photo of black plastic garbage bag w/yellow handles tied closed....- both bags had multiple tears...large areas not disrupted each bag had multiple tears.


DK - close up of knot.....publish...opening of the bag had it been intact ...how big it was? in this position ....a couple of inches in diameter....perhaps.....

DL - plastic garbage bag - a 2nd bag? appears to be....photos are out of normal sequence....recognize photo as items found therein...object-overrule ....

Dm ... article of clothing - appears to be child's shorts

recess til 3:10

sorrell skye
06-09-2011, 02:53 PM
KC didn't rise for the jury!

shezcrafti
06-09-2011, 03:25 PM
HHJP : "Ms. Anthony is ill and we must recess for the day."

momtective
06-10-2011, 09:06 AM
Showing pics already and ICA has assumed the thinker position.
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A1A.jpg

SideKick
06-10-2011, 09:08 AM
Showing little Caylee shorts/tag/holes...
KC........not looking.

watergirl
06-10-2011, 09:11 AM
B I G T R O U B L E letters from shirt

how prophetic

Eidetic
06-10-2011, 09:11 AM
Picture of Big Trouble shirt with Caylee in it on Ricardo's couch with Casey zoomed in on the shirt side by side, compared to the distressed words found at the crime scene.

luv
06-10-2011, 09:13 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/6rluvs.jpg

Mountain_Kat
06-10-2011, 09:13 AM
Oh man...portion of her little blanket. Filthy. :(

luv
06-10-2011, 09:15 AM
http://i54.tinypic.com/2zgg01e.jpg

Softail
06-10-2011, 09:15 AM
Here we go. CM asking him what Forensic Pathologist means.

LiveLaughLuv
06-10-2011, 09:17 AM
CMason asked the doctor to tell what the meaning of forensic pathologist is...where is he going???

before the remains were found, you were already aware of the surrounding hoopla..he's trying to diminish the ME's office...what a waste and I'm thinking the jury will not like it...

truthsleuth
06-10-2011, 09:20 AM
Mason: There was no duct tape on the left side of the skull, was there?

I don't understand your question.

Mason: There was no duct tape on the left side of the skull ...

Grrr.

jmfstl
06-10-2011, 09:25 AM
CM having witness explained closed reduction

witness: healing of bone

ZsaZsa
06-10-2011, 09:26 AM
CM has got hold of a few medical terms that he really doesn't understand, that is why Dr Utz is puzzled when he asks him if he saw evidence of a closed reduction... say whaaaat?
A closed reduction is a maneuver done to correct the deformity of a fracture, without Surgery to the bone...

jmfstl
06-10-2011, 09:26 AM
CM asking about the clothes do you remember the size of the shorts

UTZ: I believe 24 months

jmfstl
06-10-2011, 09:28 AM
CM asking utz about different doctors and if he had any involvement with them

Now talking about the mandible

luckyme
06-10-2011, 09:29 AM
Baez just pass a note to Dorothy Clay Sims at the def table. She read it, looked at cheney and then folded it up. #caseyanthony
by biancamprieto via twitter at 9:29 AM

jmfstl
06-10-2011, 09:30 AM
CM: you do not know the cause and manner of cause of death in this case do you

UTZ: I did not have that responsibility to determine that sir

CM: my question was very specific, repeats question

UTZ: I did not

wenwe4
06-10-2011, 09:32 AM
JA w/Utz

Photo of shorts with holes and tears - can't rule out the defects were there before but they appear to be consistent with decomposition, upclose pic of tag on shorts - Circo brand, pic of 2nd tag on shorts - (DS is moving closer to kc to put arm around her shoulders - kc head down eyes closed - hand to mouth)

Some letters were found @ the scene appear to be from a shirt....letters BIG Trouble comes small....publish - split screen with the letters and photo of little Caylee wearing the same shirt.....the letters appear to be identical.

single screen next exhibit - remnants of a shirt brought in - looks like the collar with a tag attached and some material - the remnants appear black. Photo of the tag - size 3T on the tag...

photo of a blanket and a piece of fabric from the scene...publish

(kc looks up - as the pics are over) .....he had some limited involvement with Dr. G on the following Monday and 2 visits to recovery scene....after that it was Dr. G's case - she returned Friday afternoon .... the 11th was a Thursday - she was back next day...

no further questions - cross

CM w/Utz
Board Cert ME? Forensic Pathologist....pathology means study of disease...a Physician who commonly diagnose disease in tissues Forensic pathology looks @ cause and manner of death....Scientist? no not that word.....

Common discussion in your office about the Hoopla on this case.....media was clammoring around this case....yes but before remains found ME office is really a spectator......Chief Investigator Hanson got there before you - took pictures, made notes, came back to Utz - you in charge while Dr. G out of town......Dr. G returned and took over the case....important for her be involved - she had relationship with LE and others in the office.....Utz was new in office and didn't have those relationships established......media being involved Dr. G wanted to do it......not the reason for her to do it - she would have been involved at any rate .....done this in many other cases - not exact but similar.......saw the duct tape and look @ various pictures? yes....

No duct tape of the left side of the skull? what do you mean by on? duct tape adheared to hair mat on the right side.....there wasn't duct tape on left side? yes it was attached .....not around the skull on the back - did not encircle the skull...,.

there were points of adherance on the left side.....removed tape - cut it lose from hair....didn't examine the duct tape.....didn't swab for dna....wore protective gloves and suit.....evidence bag - sent FBI field agent.....no human tissue on the duct tape - nothing I could identify....preliminary exam - goal to provide material to FBI and provide duct tape for analysis.....in your exam - no evidence of trauma on remains - didn't see any.....portions of bone that were disrupted = he didn't analyse them......didn't see closed reduction of fracture? no = closed reduction is healing fracture - didn't see any prior fracture....during autopsy -did you reset the calvarium? I did not - cutting bone and removing the top of the skull.....(kc appear to be illl) if body found before you would have more available than you did? possible.....

kc holding a tissue over he mouth and nose

what size shorts were? 24 month - I believe....involved in any decisions to seek further expert exam of the remains? Dr. Schultz is a forensic anthropoligist PhD....

toxicology exams?

did not sign the autopsy report w/Dr. G.....Dr goldberger in connection with this case? I did not....

location of the mandible - pictures of bottom jaw....held in place by the hair and roots as shown in photos....didn't come off while being moved around during exams...

determine cause and manner of death....ME's job primarily....do not know from your exam of the evidence - he didn't make the determination in this case....Do Not know cause of death? no do not...manner of death determined by dr. G a homicide.....is homicide a scientific term? (object -sustained) have not rendered an opinion as to manner of death in this case....CM talks to JB.....no more questions.

redirect?
published SA #218 - CF for identification (kc- looks away and down)...which side of head or face is this? that is the left side.....publish 220 CU in evidence....what side is circled right side......tape on both the left and right side is shown....

witness excused