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beach
06-11-2011, 10:29 PM
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beach
06-13-2011, 08:31 AM
I'm going to try to clarify a few things so hopefully we are a little clearer about what is okay to post in this thread and what is to be saved for Sidebar. Hope this helps. :)

Re: posting Tweets - Previously we have requested that all tweets be restricted from this thread and posted in the Twitter thread. Posting single tweets from anyone inside the courroom that can shed light on what we are unable to see via our monitors are fine to post here. (note: repetitive, multiple posts of the same tweet will be removed at mod discretion so they do not clog up the thread.) Most all of these will be from MSM reporters - I really can't think of any exceptions off of the top of my head. If they can tell us how jurors are reacting, that is huge, relevant info and we need to see it here. I ask that those of you who do post tweets still include them in the Twitter thread because we have many members who log in for a quick update and depend solely on that thread.


Re: posting about the demeanor of the defendant or witnesses -
This is the deal:
It is perfectly fine to post FACTS & OBSERVATIONS about their demeanor. (e.g., Casey is emotionless; Casey is giggling while listening to this testimony, etc...)

It is the "Casey's blouse is so low cut she must be trying to get the attention of Juror #11, the George Clooney look-a-like"; "eyebrows and hair" ('nuff said :aktion1:). Bottom line, if it doesn't add anything to understanding what is going on during TRIAL, then save these comments and post them in the Sidebar. Express those sentiments there. (Remember! TOS and Rules of Etiquette still apply in Sidebar: no namecalling, bashing and derogatory remarks simply intended to be snarky.)


Okay, I hope that helps clarify a few things.

Wise Old Owl
06-13-2011, 08:51 AM
Morning

Feed is up

ICA is in the courtroom

She currently chatting with CM

butwhatif?
06-13-2011, 08:53 AM
ICA arrives

jane the dood
06-13-2011, 08:53 AM
Good morning all! I hope this is a stellar week for the prosecution. Justice for Caylee!

Wise Old Owl
06-13-2011, 08:53 AM
Oh - HHJP ust came into the courtroom without his robe - has a nice crisp white dress shirt on - think he must be getting something from his bench. I almost didn't recognize him.

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 08:58 AM
wesh live blog saying there is a sidebar over scheduling (per JA)

Wholehearted
06-13-2011, 08:58 AM
GA wearing a nice button down. It's a little more formal than I recall his clothing last week. Wonder if that means he could be called to the stand?

momtective
06-13-2011, 08:59 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

Linda7NJ
06-13-2011, 08:59 AM
good morning! Should be a interesting day.

Tiki
06-13-2011, 09:00 AM
ICA was flirting with CM til he was called away.
pouty face on now

Oakley
06-13-2011, 09:00 AM
Wonder if Casey will be flipping anyone the bird today. I'll be watching for that.

Wise Old Owl
06-13-2011, 09:00 AM
All Rise

beach
06-13-2011, 09:00 AM
They can try all they want to but pastels and pearl-lined necklines do nothing to soften up the demeanor of the inmate.

Tiki
06-13-2011, 09:00 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

yeah - saw that --really?????/

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:01 AM
who ever called shaw as next was correct! he is up next

Kentjbkent
06-13-2011, 09:01 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

I have been in a VERY angry mood after accidentally seeing some photos that were shown this weekend...

Seeing this....ENRAGES ME!!! :banghead:

JenniferTx
06-13-2011, 09:01 AM
Good morning all. Good vibes for TEAM CAYLEE this week!

Nali87
06-13-2011, 09:01 AM
JA is wearing a very Hawain tie.

darnudes
06-13-2011, 09:02 AM
OMG- I just said I hope Stephen Shaw is called today. Excellent.

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:02 AM
State calls Steven Shaw

butwhatif?
06-13-2011, 09:02 AM
GA and CA in the court...And the smiley ICA the jury doesn't see....

QB.
06-13-2011, 09:02 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

I know, it is as though last week didn't even happen. JB right about one thing - something not right with this girl.
Gets harder everyday to watch her.

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:02 AM
OMG- I just said I hope Stephen Shaw is called today. Excellent.

:rocker:

KenoshaKid
06-13-2011, 09:02 AM
Stephen Shaw, FBI Fiber guy

Kentjbkent
06-13-2011, 09:03 AM
Links please...

strawberry
06-13-2011, 09:03 AM
Who is Stephen Shaw...I see ICA has her temper tantrum shirt on.

bonjoviblonde
06-13-2011, 09:03 AM
The way her face changes when they call the jury in is SCARY!

~Lisa~
06-13-2011, 09:04 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

O M G :eek:

Tiki
06-13-2011, 09:04 AM
Here's a sweeter pic to look at

SondraK
06-13-2011, 09:04 AM
He is a CHEMIST !!!!

darnudes
06-13-2011, 09:04 AM
This will consolidate all the hair testimony, and hopefully answer some questions re the single trunk hair, decomp banding and the hair left on Caylee.

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:04 AM
Wow one year additional training with the FBI for hair and fiber examiner.

I would like to see JB try to discredit this guy

luv
06-13-2011, 09:05 AM
http://i54.tinypic.com/w8rdx4.jpg

darnudes
06-13-2011, 09:05 AM
Hair and Fiber expert.

Just K
06-13-2011, 09:05 AM
well,well,well...Miss Anthony is extremely happy and smug this am....
GA wearing lavender as is the defendant? Judge must have come in as now th long face has begun and back to peppy, peppy peppy and now forlorn...poor me face

IRule254
06-13-2011, 09:05 AM
no objections from the defense for Shaw

momtective
06-13-2011, 09:06 AM
Jury face in place!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A1111.jpg

jane the dood
06-13-2011, 09:06 AM
I know, it is as though last week didn't even happen. JB right about one thing - something not right with this girl.
Gets harder everyday to watch her.

:mad:
And the jury doesn't get to see the "real" ICA....more's the pity.

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:06 AM
and JB objects lol

strawberry
06-13-2011, 09:06 AM
He is a CHEMIST !!!!

:great: Although I predict JB will uncover the scandalous fact that he gets paid for a living.

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:07 AM
guess Jose forgot to state his objection before testimony started!

((here we go!....))

mysticrose
06-13-2011, 09:07 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

Snort ! :floorlaugh:

HRCODEPINK
06-13-2011, 09:07 AM
Oh, please, oh please let this part prove Caylee was in that trunk.

And Good Morning Everyone!

Tulessa
06-13-2011, 09:07 AM
Links in my siggy. :)

Nali87
06-13-2011, 09:07 AM
I prefer it when Linda is the one asking the witnesses questions.

2goldfish
06-13-2011, 09:08 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg


you are the WS all star of hitting printscreen at the perfect second.

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:08 AM
Jose really hates this Q12 hair (banding) testimony coming in. Hmmm I wonder why?

beach
06-13-2011, 09:08 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

momtective, PLEASE make sure this screenshot gets posted in the Trial photos thread in the archive forum. This one is a classic!

Softail
06-13-2011, 09:08 AM
WESH: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

WESH has PIP (picture in picture) Casey in small box at the bottom

WFTV:http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

NOTE: WFTV has 2 live feeds:

1 follows the action- http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

One on Casey all the time: http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html


Click Orlando:http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html

FOX:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live

Media player:http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

WFTVTV sound only: http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/coxradio/?callsign=WFTVTV

CNN http://live.cnn.com/

WDBO http://www.wdbo.com/caseyontrialvideo/

RammerJammer
06-13-2011, 09:08 AM
Good morning everyone....a little late to the party but I see Shaw from my home state of NC is on the stand. Hope it's a good day for the prosecution!

Kentjbkent
06-13-2011, 09:08 AM
O M G :eek:


I SURE would LOVE to see this pic on the front page of the OS tomorrow morning!!

Soulmagent
06-13-2011, 09:08 AM
I know, it is as though last week didn't even happen. JB right about one thing - something not right with this girl.
Gets harder everyday to watch her.

I think her witch finger is scarey

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:09 AM
Hair mat evidence.

luv
06-13-2011, 09:09 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/15qb6lj.jpg

LolaMoon08
06-13-2011, 09:09 AM
I did not know that they had another expert witness examine the single hair found in Casey's trunk. Very interesting.

gypsyblue
06-13-2011, 09:09 AM
no emotion whatsoever from casey as her childs head of hair is handed to the witness....
pfffft

debbie0604
06-13-2011, 09:10 AM
Hot dog!! I knew this testimony would be coming in!! I remember reading it!!!! GO ASHTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:10 AM
So there was a death band noted in the hair mat, though from a later stage of decomp. than hair found in trunk.

IRule254
06-13-2011, 09:10 AM
Hair in the trunk at an earlier stage of decomp than the hair mass found with remains.

LaLaw2000
06-13-2011, 09:10 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

I hope this little gesture is in every newspaper and on TV! This is just unreal!

:maddening:

suzihawk
06-13-2011, 09:11 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

I hope this is the exactly the same gesture the executioner uses when she's rolled into the death chamber.

IRule254
06-13-2011, 09:11 AM
Shaw says Q12 hair matches hair mass but cannot say to exclusion of all others.

liltexans
06-13-2011, 09:11 AM
Also examined "hair mass" microscopically and compared to strand in trunk. Mass showed later stage of decomp.

by bobkealing via twitter at 8:10 AM

ahoyhoy
06-13-2011, 09:11 AM
It always takes about 10 minutes for ICA to physically deflate from her initial excitement of seeing her 'boys'. Gross. JMO.

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:12 AM
Liking this witness. He's honest and forthright.

strawberry
06-13-2011, 09:12 AM
no emotion whatsoever from casey as her childs head of hair is handed to the witness....
pfffft

Are you serious? I'm on mute and wasn't watching at the moment. Is the hair mat in an envelope there? I could have sworn they checked the hair mat and found that band on that hair, but I could be mistaken.

liltexans
06-13-2011, 09:12 AM
Juror #15 is writing a ton of notes this morning. She wins the prize for juror paying the closest attention today.

by stevehelling via twitter at 8:11 AM

strawberry
06-13-2011, 09:13 AM
I accidentally saw a photo of this hair mat on another site this weekend and cannot even begin to explain the wide range of immediate emotions that overcame me.

My only wish was that KC spend the rest of her life in jail...no opinion on death penalty....UNTIL I saw this photo and the reality of the loss of Caylee hit home HARD!!

I am no longer willing to settle for anything less than DEATH!

Me too....it haunts me. It even had her little curl to it still.

wvjules
06-13-2011, 09:13 AM
I hope this is the exactly the same gesture the executioner uses when she's rolled into the death chamber.

Wish I could see photobucket photos. :(

dog.gone.cute
06-13-2011, 09:13 AM
I SURE would LOVE to see this pic on the front page of the OS tomorrow morning!!

:rocker::rocker:

I am going to add that I would love to see this picture on HLN, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, WESH, WFTV ... in other words EVERY NEWS OUTLET AVAILABLE !!!

The photos that are captured here by the posters at WS are FANTASTIC !!!

:rocker::great::great:

2goldfish
06-13-2011, 09:13 AM
I hope this is the exactly the same gesture the executioner uses when she's rolled into the death chamber.


oh my gosh the mental movie you just unrolled in my head! :biglaugh:

Nature Girl
06-13-2011, 09:13 AM
Thinking the prosecution will wrap up on Thursday as that is the day that Caylee died 3 years ago.

RammerJammer
06-13-2011, 09:14 AM
I accidentally saw a photo of this hair mat on another site this weekend and cannot even begin to explain the wide range of immediate emotions that overcame me.

My only wish was that KC spend the rest of her life in jail...no opinion on death penalty....UNTIL I saw this photo and the reality of the loss of Caylee hit home HARD!!

I am no longer willing to settle for anything less than DEATH!

I saw that, too, and it affected me in the same way. I never pictured her hair like that, for some reason. The little curls at the ends of her hair touched my heart.

Soulmagent
06-13-2011, 09:14 AM
The band above the root was not the same band as the hair in the trunk one had the band above the root and one had it below the root.

Kentjbkent
06-13-2011, 09:14 AM
I hope this little gesture is in every newspaper and on TV! This is just unreal!

:maddening:


Hopefully, this pic will eventually make it to the twitter accounts of all those journalists who are just dying for a big story....

Florida Native
06-13-2011, 09:15 AM
That picture chilled me to the bone. I will probably have nightmares about it.

jane the dood
06-13-2011, 09:15 AM
I accidentally saw a photo of this hair mat on another site this weekend and cannot even begin to explain the wide range of immediate emotions that overcame me.

My only wish was that KC spend the rest of her life in jail...no opinion on death penalty....UNTIL I saw this photo and the reality of the loss of Caylee hit home HARD!!

I am no longer willing to settle for anything less than DEATH!

Agree 100%....leaving your child to rot in a swamp, dismembered by animals = death penalty. I was in favor of life without parole before, but not now.

liltexans
06-13-2011, 09:16 AM
jury looking at this expert talk about hair examination. 15 taking notes as usual.

by bobkealing via twitter at 8:15 AM

Linda7NJ
06-13-2011, 09:16 AM
I accidentally saw a photo of this hair mat on another site this weekend and cannot even begin to explain the wide range of immediate emotions that overcame me.

My only wish was that KC spend the rest of her life in jail...no opinion on death penalty....UNTIL I saw this photo and the reality of the loss of Caylee hit home HARD!!

I am no longer willing to settle for anything less than DEATH!


I agree. The actual photos really stir strong emotions. I cried when I saw the hairmat. I wouldn't be surprised if jurors are carrying torches and pitchforks in the minds after seeing them all. Especially that tiny tiny little ducted tapped skull as it was found...discarded like trash.

CementPond
06-13-2011, 09:16 AM
This guy talks/sounds like he's reading a written report. :-)

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:16 AM
there goes your error rate jose

QueenD
06-13-2011, 09:17 AM
That picture chilled me to the bone. I will probably have nightmares about it.

What did they show? I missed it. Hair?

truthsleuth
06-13-2011, 09:17 AM
Very detailed discussion of post-mortem banding hairs. Boring but worthy discussion.

everyoneneedsavoice
06-13-2011, 09:17 AM
Wish I could see photobucket photos. :(

Oh no...this is a must see. Are you able to view any photos? If so, how? Maybe we can figure out how to post / save so you can see it.

FaerieB
06-13-2011, 09:17 AM
stevehelling Steve Helling
Everyone in the #CaseyAnthony courtroom looks well-rested today, including the jurors. They had family visits yesterday.

yllek
06-13-2011, 09:17 AM
Weird. Imo, the FBI witnesses so far are the least compelling; somewhat nervous. JMO... The OCSD witnesses, the forensic researchers (not chemists!) and scientists and medical examiners, on the other hand, were stellar!

JMO...

wenwe4
06-13-2011, 09:17 AM
Stephen Shaw - FBI fiber and textile and hair examiner - BS and Masters in fiber anaylsis, trained by FBI.....witness expert witness admitted...


2008 worked @ FBI - hair Q-12, previously examined by another examiner - quality assuance (object-overrule) procedure - whenever we have an examiner make a confirmation we have a second examiner confirm.....in this case micro-scopic similarity in hair brush plus the decomp (death band)

2nd exam - Ms. Lowe wasn't available - hair mass #271 - he examined hair mass microscopically, also compared with hairs from the trunk.....evidence of aparant decomp on hair mass....band similar seen (death band ) just above the root -with a brush like appearance - it is a later stage of decomp than the hair seen in the trunk - .....compare hair mass with hair found in the trunk - Q-12 hair w/decomp @ root same and consistent with hair mass - consistent coming from the same source - cannot say hair is exact same due to the hair mass (didn't pluck hairs from the scalp) being decomp and he cannot say the exact source the hairs but they are consistent .....

He is involved in a research project - conducting study ongoing- pre-lim results - 600 anti-mortem hairs stored on window sill, in potting soil - received water weekly, inside, outside, in 3 vehicles direct sun, out of the sun, one week to 7 months - he examined hairs microscopic changes for decomp - some of the hairs stored outdoors and in the water - did exhibit decomp but no banding! Any changes had any hairs had @ the roots, test given to 2 different examiners - 3 answer sheets - initial analysis - identify any hairs with any decomp present besides post-mortem band.....in confirmed results - they correctly id'd all post-mortem banded hairs - also included 1 anti-mortem hairs, examiner #2 also id'd one as banded - both of them initially thought post-mortem but later the final report they were excluded......

Prepare a power point to show results of study

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:18 AM
I would think we'd all get to see this demonstration. If not, I don't know why not.

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:18 AM
This guy talks/sounds like he's reading a written report. :-)

this was his study on root banding (and the error rates of such by other scientists studying banded hair)... this is very interesting

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:18 AM
oh... so now a sidebar for the error rates!!! really??? of course he doesn't want this allowed LOL

mombomb
06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
State Calls Stephen Shaw to the witness stand.

DIRECT EXAMINATION BY JA:

He is hair and fiber examiner for the FBI. He has held this position for 6 years. He has a BS and MS in textile chemistry from NCSU. Upon graduation he was a research associate at the university for 6 months. He then worked in private industry for 6 months. Then to the FBI.

FBI training included 1 year of training under the direct guidance of qualified hair and fiber examiners and completed tests throughout the training.

After the year of training he began working as a hair and fiber examiner.

He has testified in Court 12 times - Florida, New York, Virgin Islands, Montana, Virginia.

Submitted as expert witness - no objections by JB.

In 2008 he did a confirmation exam on the hair in this case (Q12).

Confirmation process is a quality assurance test.

(JB OBJECTS on FREY - OBJECTION OVERRULED)

A second examiner does an independent examination. He is aware of the prior results. He did a confirmation for the apparent decomposition as well as microscopic similarities to the hair in the hairbrush. He confirmed both.

Later in 2008 he did a second evaluation because Ms. Lowe was not available.

He analyzed a "hair mass" and identified it in a photo. He examined the hairs microscopically and compared them to the hair from the trunk. Hair band is Q-59.

The hair mass had signs of apparent decomposition - he also found a band just above the end of the root. The band was not similar to the hair in the trunk - it was from a later stage of apparent decomposition due to the brush on the root.

Hair in hair mass was the same microscopically as the hair in the trunk. He can not use this as a positive means of identification. However, he can only say it is consistent.

The hair mass is not a suitable known hair sample as he did not have them plucked from the scalp itself.

He has participated in research - conducting a study that is still ongoing - preliminary results are 600 hairs stored in various locations collected from 15 living individuals - in doors on a window sill, in doors buried, in doors submerged in water, out doors in a trunk of a vehicle, underneath the seat of a second vehicle and on the dash and in the trunk of a third vehicle parked in the sun. From a week to 7 months. He then examined them at the root end microscopically at the root end. No hairs in doors exhibited apparent decomp. Some of the other hairs exhibited apparent decomp. However, none of these hairs exhibited the banding. He then included hairs that included which were from a known deceased body. These were given to three examiners with a questionnaire. All of the post mortem hairs were correctly identified. Each examiner originally made an error in determining the banding. With a confirmed results they excluded the erroneous hair.

He prepared a power point presentation to demonstrate the results of his study - State's Exhibit Q-12. JA wants to use it for demonstrative purposes only as it does not involve this case.

JB requests Sidebar.

SIDEBAR #1 of the day.

luv
06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
http://i54.tinypic.com/flg9ht.jpg

LolaMoon08
06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg

I really have a feeling that this side of Casey will show herself to the jury once the defense starts their case in chief. Right now, Casey can only show anger and contempt when being confronted with the State's evidence because it is not part of "her" story. Once the defense is presenting "her" story, I believe Casey will not be able to hide her smug behavior from the jury. She can't help herself.

And that look Casey is giving to Mason is not sexy... it is quite scary. Reminds me of the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz "Come here my pretty."

wvjules
06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
Oh no...this is a must see. Are you able to view any photos? If so, how? Maybe we can figure out how to post / save so you can see it.

I can see anything but photobucket, twitter and facebook. Darned firewall! lol

debbie0604
06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
Agree 100%....leaving your child to rot in a swamp, dismembered by animals = death penalty. I was in favor of life without parole before, but not now. BBM - Yep, I was too, but after hearing testimony in this trial, I'm in favor of death now.

Florida Native
06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
What did they show? I missed it. Hair?

Sorry I wasn't clear. Momtective's screenshot of ICA on the first page.

suzihawk
06-13-2011, 09:20 AM
Why is she allowed to 'chair hop' like that when JB goes to sidebar? The leniency given to the INMATE in that Courtroom appalls me.

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:21 AM
Are you serious? I'm on mute and wasn't watching at the moment. Is the hair mat in an envelope there? I could have sworn they checked the hair mat and found that band on that hair, but I could be mistaken.

They found a hair in the hair mat with banding, but the banding was different from the hair with banding found in trunk, because both hairs were from different stages of decomp.

Make sense?

ETA: And incidentally, this is exactly what I would expect to find wrt this evidence.

RammerJammer
06-13-2011, 09:21 AM
I really have a feeling that this side of Casey will show herself to the jury once the defense starts their case in chief. Right now, Casey can only show anger and contempt when being confronted with the State's evidence because it is not part of "her" story. Once the defense is presenting "her" story, I believe Casey will not be able to hide her smug behavior from the jury. She can't help herself.

And that look Casey is giving to Mason is not sexy... it is quite scary. Reminds me of the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz "Come here my pretty."

My initial thought: diabolical

Wholehearted
06-13-2011, 09:21 AM
What is DS so worked up about?

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:21 AM
DS gesticulating wildly at the sidebar ((bet she says they don't have a copy of the report LOL))

emi2811
06-13-2011, 09:21 AM
I can see anything but photobucket, twitter and facebook. Darned firewall! lol

Here, I rehosted it for you! Hope you can see it now. It really is very telling of KC's true character I think.

http://i51.tinypic.com/jru06a.jpg

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:22 AM
jury has stepped out

Sleuth5
06-13-2011, 09:22 AM
Here, I rehosted it for you! Hope you can see it now. It really is very telling of KC's true character I think.

http://i51.tinypic.com/jru06a.jpg

:gasp: Wow!

Linda7NJ
06-13-2011, 09:23 AM
Why is she allowed to 'chair hop' like that when JB goes to sidebar? The leniency given to the INMATE in that Courtroom appalls me.


What leniency? She is sitting at the defense table. She can move from seat to seat. It's not like she's over there playing musical chairs.

drip~drop
06-13-2011, 09:23 AM
momtective, PLEASE make sure this screenshot gets posted in the Trial photos thread (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6666308#post6666308) in the archive forum. This one is a classic!

The "come hither' LOOK. tHOSE CROOKED FINGERS THAT DID THE DEED SCARE ME.
IMO

sorry about the all caps

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:23 AM
Proffer? Why?

adb263
06-13-2011, 09:23 AM
Judge Perry is PIZZED!!!!!! I think he is over DT!!! JMO

miabellamoure
06-13-2011, 09:23 AM
why is Casey allowed to even move one inch from her seat in court...I do not like that she is permitted so much wiggle room at that defense table...it's ridiculous!

The flirting with the senior citizen is definitely not helping her case especially, when she has alleged sexual abuse from her father...if anything she is demonstrating a "Lolita" type personality!

Furthermore...(& not a bash!) but, who is her stylist? The attire she has been wearing to court seems to have come from a thrift store. Last week, she had a lavender sweater on which had a hole in one of the sleeves! Today, she is in a sweater that looks wrinkled and from her Grandmother's closet!

What do you think the DT is trying to portray her as...poor?

wvjules
06-13-2011, 09:24 AM
Here, I rehosted it for you! Hope you can see it now. It really is very telling of KC's true character I think.

http://i51.tinypic.com/jru06a.jpg

Thank you! Wow, that is chilling. Gives me the heebeejeebies!

momtective
06-13-2011, 09:24 AM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111111.jpg

http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A1111111.jpg

ahoyhoy
06-13-2011, 09:24 AM
Why is she allowed to 'chair hop' like that when JB goes to sidebar? The leniency given to the INMATE in that Courtroom appalls me.

It appears to me that HHJP is trying to be very kind to her, and NOT admonish her in front of the jury. Innocent til proven guilty---He can't appear to prejudice the jury with HIS annoyance at ICA.

luv
06-13-2011, 09:24 AM
http://i51.tinypic.com/30tmc5h.jpg

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:24 AM
O/T

But when I see everyone gunning for ICA over every little thing, it actually makes me feel mildly sorry for her.

JMO

I don't know what difference it makes if she moves from chair to chair.

Bon
06-13-2011, 09:24 AM
Morning everyone! :)

LyndyLoo
06-13-2011, 09:25 AM
Holeeee Mack....Ms. Simms is so animated at the sidebar...and then so pi$$'d when came back to their desk.....They obviously do NOT want this to come in!!!!

Panic mode for DT right now!!! Yowza

ebedeeb
06-13-2011, 09:25 AM
Why is she allowed to 'chair hop' like that when JB goes to sidebar? The leniency given to the INMATE in that Courtroom appalls me.

Dont you mean Convicted Felon...is she still serving time for the stealing felonies or has time been served on those convictions? TIA

Tipstaff
06-13-2011, 09:25 AM
O/T

But when I see everyone gunning for ICA over every little thing, it actually makes me feel mildly sorry for her.

JMO

Wait about 2 hours and you will overcome this feeling!

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:25 AM
jose saying that if the pictures are in color he will argue...

he says the ones he got were black and white...

((nurse sits on hands and types with eyeballs))

Kentjbkent
06-13-2011, 09:26 AM
I agree. The actual photos really stir strong emotions. I cried when I saw the hairmat. I wouldn't be surprised if jurors are carrying torches and pitchforks in the minds after seeing them all. Especially that tiny tiny little ducted tapped skull as it was found...discarded like trash.

I have read every document in this case, seen every pre-trial released photo....but was NOT prepared for my reaction when I saw that hair mat photo...cannot even imagine viewing the skull photos...

If I had that reaction, I am going to assume most, if not all, the jurors felt the same RAGE when they viewed them...

imawitch
06-13-2011, 09:26 AM
I really have a feeling that this side of Casey will show herself to the jury once the defense starts their case in chief. Right now, Casey can only show anger and contempt when being confronted with the State's evidence because it is not part of "her" story. Once the defense is presenting "her" story, I believe Casey will not be able to hide her smug behavior from the jury. She can't help herself.

And that look Casey is giving to Mason is not sexy... it is quite scary. Reminds me of the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz "Come here my pretty."

I hope the jurors drop a house on the witch,jmohttp://i52.tinypic.com/jzjz1k.jpg

Sleuth5
06-13-2011, 09:26 AM
I do indeed hope that JB doesn't get a wild idea from this PowerPoint presentation. JB loose with PowerPoint would be like the easel on steroids.

Nali87
06-13-2011, 09:26 AM
Friday is going to be my last day actually watching the trial myself until judgement day. I'm going to have to keep up by reading blogs and such. Constant JB would drive me insane!

jane the dood
06-13-2011, 09:26 AM
Are you freakin' kidding me!
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111.jpg


Whoa! The face of evil.
:eek:
Everyone needs to get a gander at this photo!

Tipstaff
06-13-2011, 09:26 AM
jose saying that if the pictures are in color he will argue...

he says the ones he got were black and white...

((nurse sits on hands and types with eyeballs))

Another of JB's mistakes - he should have requested them in color. :maddening:

luv
06-13-2011, 09:26 AM
http://i55.tinypic.com/sqgxl4.jpg

miabellamoure
06-13-2011, 09:27 AM
The "come hither' LOOK. tHOSE CROOKED FINGERS THAT DID THE DEED SCARE ME.
IMO

sorry about the all caps

Now just imagine that "look" when she enticed her daughter to come see how fun it would be to put the pretty silver duct tape on her mouth with a cute heart sticker...ICA, a sick pathetic waste of human matter!

Sleuth5
06-13-2011, 09:27 AM
Holeeee Mack....Ms. Simms is so animated at the sidebar...and then so pi$$'d when came back to their desk.....They obviously do NOT want this to come in!!!!

Panic mode for DT right now!!! Yowza

But apparently they knew, as with everything else, that it would be coming. What has JB been doing, lo these many years?

:cow:

HRCODEPINK
06-13-2011, 09:27 AM
jury has stepped out

Were they there for the whole arguing over color and non color photos and the powerpoint or did the step out during sidebar?

And the picture of the witch finger creeps me out too!

Kentjbkent
06-13-2011, 09:27 AM
why is casey allowed to even move one inch from her seat in court...i do not like that she is permitted so much wiggle room at that defense table...it's ridiculous!

the flirting with the senior citizen is definitely not helping her case especially, when she has alleged sexual abuse from her father...if anything she is demonstrating a "lolita" type personality!

Furthermore...(& not a bash!) but, who is her stylist? The attire she has been wearing to court seems to have come from a thrift store. Last week, she had a lavender sweater on which had a hole in one of the sleeves! Today, she is in a sweater that looks wrinkled and from her grandmother's closet!

What do you think the dt is trying to portray her as...poor?

bingo!!

kathyn2
06-13-2011, 09:28 AM
The defense should have had this power point presentation in advance. Kind of ticks me off the State sprung it on them. Now this is interferring with the presentation. Why do they do stuff like that? I am all for the prosecution but don't like stuff like this.

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:28 AM
seems like we are going to see Jose's cross TWO TIMES... once in front of the jury and once right now

((still sitting on hands and finding it very hard to do indeed!!!!))

strawberry
06-13-2011, 09:28 AM
Will the SA really be done this week? I thought they said halfway last Friday which would mean the end of next week?

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:29 AM
Were they there for the whole arguing over color and non color photos and the powerpoint or did the step out during sidebar?

And the picture of the witch finger creeps me out too!

no... they were out

rbrnmw2
06-13-2011, 09:29 AM
Here, I rehosted it for you! Hope you can see it now. It really is very telling of KC's true character I think.

http://i51.tinypic.com/jru06a.jpg













Evil look terrifying

Sleuth5
06-13-2011, 09:30 AM
I honestly think DCS is so worked up because she is sometimes simply overcome by the sheer weight of JB's apparent lack of preparedness...

:cow:

Linda7NJ
06-13-2011, 09:30 AM
why is Casey allowed to even move one inch from her seat in court...I do not like that she is permitted so much wiggle room at that defense table...it's ridiculous!

The flirting with the senior citizen is definitely not helping her case especially, when she has alleged sexual abuse from her father...if anything she is demonstrating a "Lolita" type personality!

Furthermore...(& not a bash!) but, who is her stylist? The attire she has been wearing to court seems to have come from a thrift store. Last week, she had a lavender sweater on which had a hole in one of the sleeves! Today, she is in a sweater that looks wrinkled and from her Grandmother's closet!

What do you think the DT is trying to portray her as...poor?

Wiggle room? She is allowed to participtate in her own defense. It's her right. If she were unable to, she wouldn't be fit for trial.

Stylist? She isn't rich. The tax payers are footing the bill....do you want to have someone shopping for her at Sax? She was declared indigent. Thrift store works for me.

Tipstaff
06-13-2011, 09:30 AM
But apparently they knew, as with everything else, that it would be coming. What has JB been doing, lo these many years?

:cow:

Out on Geraldo's boat and other TV interviews and making up stories!:twocents:

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:30 AM
Will the SA really be done this week? I thought they said halfway last Friday which would mean the end of next week?

Not if Jose keeps this up

suzihawk
06-13-2011, 09:30 AM
It appears to me that HHJP is trying to be very kind to her, and NOT admonish her in front of the jury. Innocent til proven guilty---He can't appear to prejudice the jury with HIS annoyance at ICA.

Understood. But it could, and SHOULD, be addressed with her DT in private, IMO. Also, the bailiffs in this Courtroom need a crash course in proper procedure in handling defendants. Perhaps they should be sent to Pinellas county to see how things should be done. IMO, of course.

TiaM
06-13-2011, 09:30 AM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A111111.jpg

http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A1111111.jpg

An example of mouth-breathing...she does it all the time.

Kentjbkent
06-13-2011, 09:30 AM
Will the SA really be done this week? I thought they said halfway last Friday which would mean the end of next week?

Did I read a twitter or something that this morning started out with a sidebar initiated by JA concerning "scheduling issues"???

Maybe SA now realizes it will be a bit longer before they rest their case????

Steely Dan
06-13-2011, 09:31 AM
I really hate to say this but JB has a legitimate argument. If in fact he was given black and white photocopies of the pictures in the powerpoint presentation this morning, he should have at least 48 hours to study them. JMO

Oakley
06-13-2011, 09:31 AM
Here, I rehosted it for you! Hope you can see it now. It really is very telling of KC's true character I think.

http://i51.tinypic.com/jru06a.jpg

'Will you walk into my parlor?' said the Spider to the Fly."

Nature Girl
06-13-2011, 09:31 AM
Will the SA really be done this week? I thought they said halfway last Friday which would mean the end of next week?

I said earleir that I feel Thursday will be the day they wrap up because it will be the 16th of June. Yep... 3 years to the day!

bonjoviblonde
06-13-2011, 09:32 AM
Is anyone else laughing at JB questioning this witness right now? He's asking questions and has no idea what he's even asking. He's clearly just asking the witness to explain things just to make him talk. It has no purpose whatsoever.
This trial is one big comedy, which is a darn shame. Bless that precious baby.

scotslass
06-13-2011, 09:32 AM
I think this witness is doing well answering JB's questions and Jb is actually being quite sensible after his not disclosed in color comment.

Sleuth5
06-13-2011, 09:32 AM
Don't get me wrong, I have no affection for this girl what so ever...but some of this stuff (chair hopping?) is just off the wall, imo. She moves around...who cares? Should she be duct taped to her chair?

again, JMO

ITA, Kat. Lots of more salient issues to discuss.

:cow:

LolaMoon08
06-13-2011, 09:32 AM
But apparently they knew, as with everything else, that it would be coming. What has JB been doing, lo these many years?

:cow:

You know, if we had JB's cell phone pings for the last few years, I bet we could figure it out?? :floorlaugh: He surely wasn't working on this case the majority of the time.

MissJames
06-13-2011, 09:32 AM
Thank you Momtective,for my new siggie pic. You just can't make this stuff up !

jamiect
06-13-2011, 09:32 AM
Don't get me wrong, I have no affection for this girl what so ever...but some of this stuff (chair hopping?) is just off the wall, imo. She moves around...who cares? Should she be duct taped to her chair?

again, JMO

I vote yes!

TiaM
06-13-2011, 09:32 AM
I have read every document in this case, seen every pre-trial released photo....but was NOT prepared for my reaction when I saw that hair mat photo...cannot even imagine viewing the skull photos...

If I had that reaction, I am going to assume most, if not all, the jurors felt the same RAGE when they viewed them...


I wonder what will become of ICA's hairmat once she's put to death?

strawberry
06-13-2011, 09:32 AM
She is glued to this powerpoint like she was to the duct tape animation. Wonder if she will be the thinker in front of the jury?

Lanie
06-13-2011, 09:33 AM
O/T

But when I see everyone gunning for ICA over every little thing, it actually makes me feel mildly sorry for her.

JMO

I don't know what difference it makes if she moves from chair to chair.

ITA. She spends about 8 hours a day M-F and 4 hours on Sat. sitting at the defense table at her death penalty murder trial. The rest of her time is pretty much spent in a cell. JMO, I couldn't care less if she chair hops, or drinks her water from a bottle or a cup. ICA may be one of those highly adaptive people who can make a life out of that, but I'm sure glad it's her and not me.

Broderick
06-13-2011, 09:33 AM
Thank you Momtective,for my new siggie pic. You just can't make this stuff up !

Is that pic the come hither Casey? lol.

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:33 AM
I really hate to say this but JB has a legitimate argument. If in fact he was given black and white photocopies of the pictures in the powerpoint presentation this morning, he should have at least 48 hours to study them. JMO

I don't know if I agree with you. I can't see what difference black and white or color would make with respect to this evidence.

JMO

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:33 AM
Did Jose not depose this guy before?

beach
06-13-2011, 09:34 AM
O/T

But when I see everyone gunning for ICA over every little thing, it actually makes me feel mildly sorry for her.

JMO

I don't know what difference it makes if she moves from chair to chair.

Inmates are shacked for a reason. They should not be allowed the luxury of chair hopping or moving anywhere. She should sit somber, still and respectful.

my2sense
06-13-2011, 09:34 AM
Judge Perry is PIZZED!!!!!! I think he is over DT!!! JMO

He doesn't seem too fond of JA, either

MissJames
06-13-2011, 09:34 AM
Did I read a twitter or something that this morning started out with a sidebar initiated by JA concerning "scheduling issues"???

Maybe SA now realizes it will be a bit longer before they rest their case????

Or maybe the defense will not be ready to start their case :loser:

realdeal
06-13-2011, 09:34 AM
Does JB have any idea what he is asking about....
any at all?
How can the witnesses understand his questions, when he asks such cloudy, circular questions?

scotslass
06-13-2011, 09:34 AM
I really hate to say this but JB has a legitimate argument. If in fact he was given black and white photocopies of the pictures in the powerpoint presentation this morning, he should have at least 48 hours to study them. JMO


Sure but how long has he had the B&W copies.. He never thought to request them in color all this time?? Seriously he didn't think they were coming In ?? I wonder how much of this stuff he actually really looked at prior to trial beginning :banghead:

luv
06-13-2011, 09:35 AM
http://i55.tinypic.com/73e9eo.jpg

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:35 AM
Did Jose not depose this guy before?

yes.

he did.

difference is the guy made a power point slide of the pictures so Jose got his foot in the door for a proffer.

Tipstaff
06-13-2011, 09:35 AM
I really hate to say this but JB has a legitimate argument. If in fact he was given black and white photocopies of the pictures in the powerpoint presentation this morning, he should have at least 48 hours to study them. JMO

JB had everything prior - he had the opportunity to question the state as to what state these pictures would be utilized in black & white or color and then to request the color pictures. Another JB mistake in a DP case.

Also JB has the benefit of other experienced DP attorneys and trial lawyers prior to trial and they would have the opportunity review all the information.

GreenTeam
06-13-2011, 09:35 AM
Isn't this stealing SA's thunder with these pics and the study? Grrr!

outlandishone
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Would love to hear what Dr. Glass says about Momtecitves photo lol

Oakley
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
The defense should have had this power point presentation in advance. Kind of ticks me off the State sprung it on them. Now this is interferring with the presentation. Why do they do stuff like that? I am all for the prosecution but don't like stuff like this.

This PP is nothing more than photographs, all of which the DT has received. JA stated there is no text or verbiage, just the photographs the DT has already seen. No problem, IMO

Softail
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
I really don't like that he is getting a chance to "practice" with this witness! :maddening:

HRCODEPINK
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Dont you mean Convicted Felon...is she still serving time for the stealing felonies or has time been served on those convictions? TIA

IIRC, and I may not, so someone please correct me if I am wrong (I know you will :floorlaugh:) yes, convicted felon, but I believe that made her sentence time served because it was something about not being allowed to sentence her to more than 364 or 365 days because after that she would have had to go to real prison. I don't know why that should matter, unless they just didn't want to take the chance and all of the precautions for protective custody when she hadn't been found guilty of this yet.

TiaM
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
But apparently they knew, as with everything else, that it would be coming. What has JB been doing, lo these many years?

:cow:

And these "proffers" are nothing but another "do-over" for Baez for what he SHOULD have been doing during the depositions! Apparently he was too busy trying to find anything he could use in his SODDI defense, rather than paying attention to the actual evidence.

Tired of HHJP giving this <unusual person> do-overs!! :banghead::maddening:

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Is this still proffer? Because I'm trying to listen only to what the jury is hearing.

The jury is removed, yes?

DianaElaine
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Will be interesting to see how she reacts to this information, with the jury IN the room.

Just K
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Very detailed discussion of post-mortem banding hairs. Boring but worthy discussion.
Ah, boring to many yet this testimony totally has ICA's Full attention. To date, this appears to be the most curious she has been and it is about the decomposing hair that has brought many to tears.

LiveLaughLuv
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
ITA. She spends about 8 hours a day M-F and 4 hours on Sat. sitting at the defense table at her death penalty murder trial. The rest of her time is pretty much spent in a cell. JMO, I couldn't care less if she chair hops, or drinks her water from a bottle or a cup. ICA may be one of those highly adaptive people who can make a life out of that, but I'm sure glad it's her and not me.

What she's actually doing is reading the diagolgue of the sidebars. The words are displayed on the teleprompter beside CMason...

I see she is very interested in the hair with the decomp...clearly the DT doesn't want this shown for only 1 hair with the decomp was found..now he's got Caylee's full hair or what was left of it...poor child....JMHO

Linda7NJ
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Jose is really annoying and I think this particular proffer is stupid. He's fishing and testing his cross.

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
These questions should have all been already asked in his deposition I think HHJP is only allowing this because he knows this power point is going to come in. But he needs to stop him at some point. He is now just questioning the witness and going beyond the power point presentation.

GiantPickle
06-13-2011, 09:37 AM
good morning ya'll....just joining with JB proffer....puke.

whiteangora
06-13-2011, 09:37 AM
Did Jose not depose this guy before?

It seems Jose is getting a good education on hair banding from this expert, unfortunately he will be using it against him soon....
I predict.

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:37 AM
Is this still proffer? Because I'm trying to listen only to what the jury is hearing.

The jury is removed, yes?yes... it is still the proffer

**belch**

scout35
06-13-2011, 09:37 AM
O/T

But when I see everyone gunning for ICA over every little thing, it actually makes me feel mildly sorry for her.

JMO

I don't know what difference it makes if she moves from chair to chair.

I see what you're saying and I essentially agree but I just have to think of Caylee and any feeling of "sorry" for ICA goes away.

Dr.Fessel
06-13-2011, 09:37 AM
Is the jury present?

TortillaChip
06-13-2011, 09:37 AM
JB loves to be in control of testimony, he thinks he is taking the wind out of JA's expert. As long as he is front and center, he could care less about the real point of this questioning, his tactics irritate me to no end.......

LiveLaughLuv
06-13-2011, 09:38 AM
IIRC, and I may not, so someone please correct me if I am wrong (I know you will :floorlaugh:) yes, convicted felon, but I believe that made her sentence time served because it was something about not being allowed to sentence her to more than 364 or 365 days because after that she would have had to go to real prison. I don't know why that should matter, unless they just didn't want to take the chance and all of the precautions for protective custody when she hadn't been found guilty of this yet.

ICA was sentenced to time served for the fraud charges...she had one year of probation...which is over by now...JMHO

momtective
06-13-2011, 09:38 AM
Is this still proffer? Because I'm trying to listen only to what the jury is hearing.

The jury is removed, yes?

More like a question and answer session in the absence of the jury, but not deemed a proffer.:waitasec:

HRCODEPINK
06-13-2011, 09:39 AM
Inmates are shacked for a reason. They should not be allowed the luxury of chair hopping or moving anywhere. She should sit somber, still and respectful.

I have no problem with her hopping around and wailing and cursing up a storm as long as it is in front of the jury. I can't imagine it is lost on them that this is not being taken as seriously as she should be taking it and her disrespect for the court shows.

bobloblaw
06-13-2011, 09:39 AM
This evidence seems weak and vague.

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:39 AM
Hi Doc F!

((no the jury is not present))

Eidetic
06-13-2011, 09:39 AM
JA: State will call Stephen Shaw.
(He is sworn in)
SS: I'm Stephen Shaw.
JA: Okay Mr. Shaw how are you employed?
SS: I'm a hair and fiber examiner for the FBI laboratory
JA: And how long have you been employed in that capacity?
SS: I've held my current position for approximately 6 years.
JA: What educational background do you have that led you to your present position?
SS: I have a bachelors of science and a masters of science. Both degrees are in textile chemistry and bother degrees are from North Carolina State University.
JA: After you obtained your degrees did you immediately go to work for the FBI?
SS: No. After getting my degrees I was a research associate for the university for approximately 6 months, then I took another job in the textile industry where I was a senior research associate for approximately 6 months and then I began to work at the FBI laboratory.
JA: During your time with the FBI did you have additional training through the FBI itself?
SS: Yes I did.
JA: What type of training was that?
SS: I received to become a hair and fiber examiner, I received approximately a 1 year training program where I was under the direct guidance of qualified hair and fiber examiners and during that time I examined numerous hairs, numerous fibers and I had to complete tests throughout my training program including identification tests, matching tests, oral boards as well moot coordination exercises.
JA: And after that year time did you then begin working independently as a hair and fiber examiner?
SS: After completing that year time I began working independently as a hair and fiber examiner.
JA: Have you previously testified in that area in courts of law in the United States?
SS: Yes I have.
JA: Approximately how many times?
SS: 12 times.
JA: And in how many jurisdictions?
SS: I've testified prior in Florida, New York, Virgin Islands, California, Montana, Illinois, Virgina are a few.
JA: Alright. This time Your Honor I would submit the witness as an expert in the area of forensic hair and fiber identification and analysist.
HJBP: What says the defense?
JB: No objections.
HJBP: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury the witness will be accepted as an expert witness in the area of hair and fiber identification. You may continue Mr. Ashton.
JA: Sir back in the middle part of 2008, you were working at the FBI lab at that time, is that correct?
SS: That's correct.
JA: Did you become involved in doing a confirmation examination of a hair in the case involving Caylee Marie Anthony which was designated as Q12 that Karen Forsberg Row(?) had previously examined?
SS: Yes.
JA: What's the purpose of that process of confirmation?
SS: The confirmation process is really a quality insurance step to make sure anytime we have (Baez Objects, previous motions and objections on Frye. HJBP: Based upon that objection, objection will be overruled. Thank you.)
JA: Go ahead...
SS: So it's part of our quality insurance procedure so whenever we have an identification or we association we then ask and have a second examiner to do an independent examination to see if they can reach the same conclusion or not.
JA: Now when you do that you already know the conclusion the other examination has found?
SS: Yes we do.
JA: In this case were you looking to confirm the identification of apparent decomposition? Just that or the comparison from known hair as well?
SS: It was a confirmation for the apparent decomposition as well as microscopic similarities to a hair collected from a hair brush.
JA: And did you compare both the apparent decomposition and the microscopic similarity to the hair from the hair brush?
SS: Yes I did.
JA: Did there come a time in later 2008 when you were called upon to examine some additional evidence as to the same case?
SS: Yes.
JA: What came into the laboratory, first of all why did you do the second examination as opposed to Ms. Lowe?
SS: Because Ms. Lowe wasn't available at the time.
JA: Were you submitted what is referred to as a hair mass?
SS: Yes I was.
JA: If I could have states exhibit 271. Let me show you states exhibit 271 and ask if you recognize that as the item that was submitted to your laboratory.
SS: I do recognize it.
JA: And should that contain the hair mass that was submitted by the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
SS: Yes according to the laboratory markings it should.

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:39 AM
One thing I've learned about myself through all this evidence is that, while I find entomology and chemistry extremely fascinating, hair analysis puts me to sleep.

Who knew?

Sleuth5
06-13-2011, 09:40 AM
Inmates are shacked for a reason. They should not be allowed the luxury of chair hopping or moving anywhere. She should sit somber, still and respectful.

She's not shackled in court. I would think that her right to aid in her own defense extends to moving to a different chair if she wants.

That said, it obviously can present a poor impression, as witnessed by the reaction here. Of course, it's a matter of accumulation for us.

smeck
06-13-2011, 09:40 AM
Don't get me wrong, I have no affection for this girl what so ever...but some of this stuff (chair hopping?) is just off the wall, imo. She moves around...who cares? Should she be duct taped to her chair?

again, JMO

YES that would be appropriate

LiveLaughLuv
06-13-2011, 09:40 AM
These questions should have all been already asked in his deposition I think HHJP is only allowing this because he knows this power point is going to come in. But he needs to stop him at some point. He is now just questioning the witness and going beyond the power point presentation.

You know, he asked Karen Lowe the other FBI forensic person WHY she didn't bring the hair with her to show the jury...Now that the State has it, he's afraid of it to be shown..JMHO

Soulmagent
06-13-2011, 09:40 AM
He doesn't seem too fond of JA, either

If you ask me he should have tossed the power point out of court.

It was untimely.

luv
06-13-2011, 09:40 AM
http://i51.tinypic.com/2ik7ifo.jpg

gelfie68
06-13-2011, 09:40 AM
I think I may use this time to clean the house. I am totally not catching on and I am zoning out. I am not liking this witness.

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:40 AM
This evidence seems weak and vague.

it isn't case evidence per se.... it is his study on root banding and really drives home that the bands were found in Caylee's hairs in two different stages of decomp..

moo:twocents:

Softail
06-13-2011, 09:41 AM
I believe that JA said this is not a proffer. The jury is not present, but CJBP is letting JB question this witness outside of the jury being present. This is because JB complained that he got B/W photos, and the ones in JA's PowerPoint are in color. In essence, JB is practicing his questions. IMO

Tipstaff
06-13-2011, 09:41 AM
JB loves to be in control of testimony, he thinks he is taking the wind out of JA's expert. As long as he is front and center, he could care less about the real point of this questioning, his tactics irritate me to no end.......

Perhaps JB's questioning at this point will allow the State to refine their questioning and pin things down even more. A benefit maybe?

everyoneneedsavoice
06-13-2011, 09:41 AM
I'm lost....these are not Caylee's hairs, right? So, why does JB get to ask all of these questions?

Ms.Heather
06-13-2011, 09:41 AM
Oh good grief Jose.

GiantPickle
06-13-2011, 09:41 AM
ICA is freaking me out right now - it's like she is filing this information away for future use.

CONFESSION TIME: I do have to say this chick is kinda damned if she does damned if she doesn't when it comes to expressions with me. If she looks away, she's bored or hiding something. If she is interested or showing the info appropriate respect, I think she's scheming. Oh well, that's what happens when you don't report your beloved baby missing and then lie like a freaking rug for 3 years. Find it hard to give you the benefit of the doubt !

Linda7NJ
06-13-2011, 09:42 AM
One thing I've learned about myself through all this evidence is that, while I find entomology and chemistry extremely fascinating, hair analysis puts me to sleep.

Who knew?

The bug stuff was sorta interesting, chemistry by the chemist put me to sleep...loved Vass and I find the hair stuff facinating...who knew?

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:42 AM
YES that would be appropriate

She hasn't been convicted of anything. And that's all I'm going to say regarding "chair hopping" not being allowed. :)

Phoebeb
06-13-2011, 09:42 AM
JB loves to be in control of testimony, he thinks he is taking the wind out of JA's expert. As long as he is front and center, he could care less about the real point of this questioning, his tactics irritate me to no end.......

I hope it is obvious to the jury that JB has caused this delay

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:42 AM
I'm lost....these are not Caylee's hairs, right? So, why does JB get to ask all of these questions?

because the pictures he got were black and white and these are color.. ((no I am not kidding))

luv
06-13-2011, 09:43 AM
http://i54.tinypic.com/ax1pw9.jpg

scotslass
06-13-2011, 09:43 AM
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

air conditioned house? abandoned house ? crime scene?? WHY??? where is JB going with this?

I'm lost...

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:43 AM
Perhaps JB's questioning at this point will allow the State to refine their questioning and pin things down even more. A benefit maybe?

Also why JA and the SA are not objecting to Jose going on and on and on with this. They get a preview what Jose will be asking on cross therefore they can debunk it up front.

Ms.Heather
06-13-2011, 09:44 AM
So how many slides are in this powerpoint?

FaerieB
06-13-2011, 09:44 AM
She hasn't been convicted of anything. And that's all I'm going to say regarding "chair hopping" not being allowed. :)

She has felony convictions under her belt. Just nothing in regards to Caylee.

momtective
06-13-2011, 09:44 AM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/A1111111111.jpg

Kentjbkent
06-13-2011, 09:44 AM
She hasn't been convicted of anything. And that's all I'm going to say regarding "chair hopping" not being allowed. :)

You are referring to not being convicted in THIS CASE, right?

Cause she IS a CONVICTED FELON!!!

RammerJammer
06-13-2011, 09:44 AM
#CaseyAnthony Wonder if people in audience are regretting being in line all night for this.
by bobkealing via twitter at 8:42 AM

Ms.Heather
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
because the pictures he got were black and white and these are color.. ((no I am not kidding))

Seriously? O.M.G

I'm gonna pull my hair out :banghead:

kathyn2
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
Why is JB allowed to take over here and ask all these questions? I guess the judge thought the State was wrong not to give him the presentation in advance and now we are stuck listening to Baez twice on this matter grrrrrr :(

Sleuth5
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
She hasn't been convicted of anything. And that's all I'm going to say regarding "chair hopping" not being allowed. :)

Worth saying, Kat. I think "Chair-Hopping-Gate" is distinctly overblown, though I appreciate and share the frustration behind the sentiments.

:cow:

Lanie
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
I really hate to say this but JB has a legitimate argument. If in fact he was given black and white photocopies of the pictures in the powerpoint presentation this morning, he should have at least 48 hours to study them. JMO

I have very mixed feelings on this, partly because I'm not a lawyer and don't know how this works.

First, after watching JB filing motion after motion after motion leading up to this trial claiming the State had not turned over evidence that I know good and well had been turned over, months if not years previously, I don't trust him to be telling the truth about anything he says regarding when/if he received anything from the State.

Second, is this actual evidence, or would it fall under 'trial strategy'?

Third, JB has had ample time to depose this witness, and should have been prepared for him, regardless of what kind of power point the State puts on.

On the other hand, if these are actual evidence pictures the State did not turn over, that bugs me.

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
AmandaOberWESH Amanda Ober
#CaseyAnthony Wow... I should have had a second cup of coffee to stay awake for this. And, we're gonna hear it all again!

jon_burrows
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
Inmates are shacked for a reason. They should not be allowed the luxury of chair hopping or moving anywhere. She should sit somber, still and respectful.

Exactly. Casey needs to be treated the same as every defendant charged with murder. Imagine if a man the size of a line backer was moving freely from chair to chair.

Defendants go crazy sometimes (check out youtube videos), they try and attack the judge, lawyers, spectators, etc. It takes several guards to get them under control. Just because the guards could easily take care of Casey if she decided to do something crazy doesn't exempt her from the same rules.

IMO

Linda7NJ
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
hair found in Tennessee must be different somehow from hair in Florida according to Jose it must have a drawl or somehting:crazy:

mck16
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
This is pointless. Delaying the time he has to put on his defense. I think it is a ploy. jmo

Pink Panther
06-13-2011, 09:45 AM
Why do they need to show the jury this pp? Didn't he describe the experiments? This is way too much info!

moo

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:46 AM
because the pictures he got were black and white and these are color.. ((no I am not kidding))

In all fairness, I can't fault him for using anything he can to try to keep out damning evidence against his client.

On the other hand, it irritates me that he wastes everyone's time when it's fairly obvious to everyone (including him) that he's not going to score.

Tulessa
06-13-2011, 09:46 AM
it isn't case evidence per se.... it is his study on root banding and really drives home that the bands were found in Caylee's hairs in two different stages of decomp..

moo:twocents:

Thank you. I find this fascinating. I also think that JA is going to drive home That Caylee was INDEED in ICA's car.

Lovejac
06-13-2011, 09:46 AM
Good morning friends.

Today is one day closer to justice for our Caylee!

Ms.Heather
06-13-2011, 09:46 AM
Oh thank god

everyoneneedsavoice
06-13-2011, 09:46 AM
because the pictures he got were black and white and these are color.. ((no I am not kidding))

Geez....couldn't he have used his colored markers? :innocent:

Soulmagent
06-13-2011, 09:46 AM
because the pictures he got were black and white and these are color.. ((no I am not kidding))

What can you ask see on a black and white photo of a Hair?

I dont blame JB for wanting to depo on the hair photo he had not ever seen before. JA should have handed a power point over on sat.

bonjoviblonde
06-13-2011, 09:46 AM
Not a big fan of this witness. You'd think the FBI would be better witnesses but this guy and the FBI chemist are not very engaging.

KathrynL
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
Did I hear correctly that this wit's testimony was part of a Frye hearing? I ask because the questions JB is asking now, it seems to me he would have asked all this (about where the various cadavers were/conditions) at that time and at deposition. Wouldn't he ask the same questions about the b/w pictures he received, and in general in regards to this testimony? imo

Mountain_Kat
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
She has felony convictions under her belt. Just nothing in regards to Caylee.

I meant on these current charges.

Drama Queen
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
I think that the point has been made. Caylee's hair within the trunk showed banding from initial stages of decomp and later on her hair showed decomp at a much later stage. So, in essence she was in the trunk first and then dumped into the woods a block from her home. And she was dead!
That is all I needed to hear and the rest of this is just minutia to me.
MOO

Just K
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
Is anyone else laughing at JB questioning this witness right now? He's asking questions and has no idea what he's even asking. He's clearly just asking the witness to explain things just to make him talk. It has no purpose whatsoever.
This trial is one big comedy, which is a darn shame. Bless that precious baby.
He's just buying time for his team to study the evidence for the real questions that will be asked of this witness, by the DT

He doesn't want the state to finish on Thursday June 16. This is utter BS...to let him waste the State's time & money.

Tig
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
hair found in Tennessee must be different somehow from hair in Florida according to Jose it must have a drawl or somehting:crazy:

Absolutely! :floorlaugh:

nursebeeme
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
jose has no further questions


((((((thud))))))))

Pink Panther
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
KC finds the powerpoint very interesting.

angeleleven
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
Why does JB get to ask these questions now with the jury out?....if he has already seen the pictures but not on a power point?

MissJames
06-13-2011, 09:47 AM
You are referring to not being convicted in THIS CASE, right?

Cause she IS a CONVICTED FELON!!!

I don't think Mock Juror wanted that info :innocent: OOOPS :seeya:

Blue Ridge
06-13-2011, 09:48 AM
So how many slides are in this powerpoint?

Too many IMO.... I am finding this PowerPoint boring, personally. I wonder if the jury will? It may pick up though when they actually tie Caylee's hair into all this information.

PassTheMotrin
06-13-2011, 09:48 AM
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

air conditioned house? abandoned house ? crime scene?? WHY??? where is JB going with this?

I'm lost...

He is going to use this later to say, "So...you don't know the difference between a hair from an air conditioned house in Tennessee in January, to a hair found in the trunk of a car in Florida in July...is that not correct, sir!"

:twocents:

SuziQ
06-13-2011, 09:48 AM
She hasn't been convicted of anything. And that's all I'm going to say regarding "chair hopping" not being allowed. :)

She is already a convicted felon. I've never seen bouncing around from chair to chair allowed. Usually there is a detective that sits behind the defendant and they are on top of every move the defendant makes. Also immediately after the jury is excused for breaks, defendants are immediately handcuffed. So I can absolutely understand why posters are shocked by the casual atmosphere in this trial. It is unusual.

Tulessa
06-13-2011, 09:48 AM
BAM! Hairs in warmer climates will produce bands earlier than those in colder climates. :great:

Dr.Fessel
06-13-2011, 09:48 AM
oops, Jose doesn't want to use the climate stuff now I bet.

TiaM
06-13-2011, 09:49 AM
because the pictures he got were black and white and these are color.. ((no I am not kidding))

And it's HAIR!!!! In a petri dish!!!! Not a whole lot of difference between black and white versus color! :banghead: :loser: :banghead:

jmfstl
06-13-2011, 09:49 AM
jose has no further questions


((((((thud))))))))

Oh but he does.. now trying to discern the difference in decomp due to childs hair versus adults hair.

cloud9
06-13-2011, 09:49 AM
What can you ask see on a black and white photo of a Hair?

I dont blame JB for wanting to depo on the hair photo he had not ever seen before. JA should have handed a power point over on sat.

According to the studies in photography, black and white photos are more defined.

luvhockey
06-13-2011, 09:50 AM
JB is going to say the environmental difference between Jan in TN and July in FL makes these photos mute. JMO of course

SuziQ
06-13-2011, 09:50 AM
Oy! Did JB earlier ask if the cadaver used for the hair study was in an empty house or a house that someone lived in? What an unusual person.