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beach
06-11-2011, 10:31 PM
PLEASE review this forum thoroughly before posting today:
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beach
06-13-2011, 08:32 AM
I'm going to try to clarify a few things so hopefully we are a little clearer about what is okay to post in this thread and what is to be saved for Sidebar. Hope this helps. :)
Re: posting Tweets - Previously we have requested that all tweets be restricted from this thread and posted in the Twitter thread. Posting single tweets from anyone inside the courroom that can shed light on what we are unable to see via our monitors are fine to post here. (note: repetitive, multiple posts of the same tweet will be removed at mod discretion so they do not clog up the thread.) Most all of these will be from MSM reporters - I really can't think of any exceptions off of the top of my head. If they can tell us how jurors are reacting, that is huge, relevant info and we need to see it here. I ask that those of you who do post tweets still include them in the Twitter thread because we have many members who log in for a quick update and depend solely on that thread.
Re: posting about the demeanor of the defendant or witnesses -
This is the deal:
It is perfectly fine to post FACTS & OBSERVATIONS about their demeanor. (e.g., Casey is emotionless; Casey is giggling while listening to this testimony, etc...)
It is the "Casey's blouse is so low cut she must be trying to get the attention of Juror #11, the George Clooney look-a-like"; "eyebrows and hair" ('nuff said :aktion1:). Bottom line, if it doesn't add anything to understanding what is going on during TRIAL, then save these comments and post them in the Sidebar. Express those sentiments there. (Remember! TOS and Rules of Etiquette still apply in Sidebar: no namecalling, bashing and derogatory remarks simply intended to be snarky.)
Okay, I hope that helps clarify a few things.
nursebeeme
06-27-2011, 01:16 PM
bumping up
please remember to read and thank the rules. the bashing and name calling that was going on this morning is not acceptable. please post responsibly.
grandmaj
06-27-2011, 01:17 PM
This morning we had allot to discuss and a great deal of vented up frustrations. Unfortunately the steam that some are letting loose is causing TOS and Rules infractions.
We as moderators are working to keep these threads informative, productive and in true WS style.
NO bashing of any player be it in pictures or words. NO name calling or name variations. Zero tolerance. No snark. No off color remarks about any of the players. Every post that is removed is going to be reviewed for Time Outs. Is one outburst worth not being able to participate in the coming days? It doesn't need to be this difficult folks.
If what your are posting sounds like something you heard in Jr. High, it doesn't belong here.
Let's get our emotions under control and move into the afternoon without problems please.
Thanks.
kantoo
06-27-2011, 01:30 PM
Hornesby on news saying that if the DT was going to have ICA testify, they should have been at the jail repeatedly before the trial started, working on her testimony. He said they were rarely at the jail.
Softail
06-27-2011, 01:31 PM
WESH: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html
WESH has PIP (picture in picture) Casey in small box at the bottom
WFTV:http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html
NOTE: WFTV has 2 live feeds:
1 follows the action- http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html
One on Casey all the time: http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html
Click Orlando:http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html
FOX:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live
Media player:http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx
WFTVTV sound only: http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/coxradio/?callsign=WFTVTV
CNN http://live.cnn.com/
WDBO http://www.wdbo.com/caseyontrialvideo/
Sirius/XM – HLN Channel 116
kantoo
06-27-2011, 01:31 PM
In the hallway: Sgt. John Allen and private investigator Dominic Caseyby oscaseyanthony via twitter at 12:26 PM
Shyla
06-27-2011, 01:32 PM
I'm gonna miss Judge Perry, JA and LDB when this is all over!
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Michelle Medina.....Phone a friend.
17205
Dorothy says....try this number....
17206
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
pipkins
06-27-2011, 01:32 PM
casey back in court
rose222
06-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Are we READY?
Tulessa
06-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Links in siggy . :)
strawberry
06-27-2011, 01:33 PM
What is JB looking so smirky about?
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:33 PM
proffer.....JB is already pissy and tells judge this has gone on far too long
oops not actually a proffer
distracted 1976
06-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Are we READY?
To Rumble!!!!!
YESSSSS! :great:
chasing.halos
06-27-2011, 01:33 PM
http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/casey-phone-pictures9.jpg
coloradoteacher
06-27-2011, 01:34 PM
I don't think they were preparing her testimony yet because they wanted to see if they could avoid it through the competency motion...
NoeticSoul
06-27-2011, 01:34 PM
LOL HJBP said regurgitate.
:floorlaugh:
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:34 PM
17207
17208
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:34 PM
article vs. dr furton's opinion - if article it's hearsay
okiedokietoo
06-27-2011, 01:34 PM
JB: not interesting to pre try my case so the prosecution can have another look
dog.gone.cute
06-27-2011, 01:34 PM
casey back in court
And ICA looks VERY CONFIDENT ... NOT at all "incompetent" ...
Softail
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
JA wants to proffer Dr. Furton. JB getting annoyed and doesn't want it allowed.
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
witness source is article he read so that is hearsay....JA
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
I'm not interested in pre-trying the case for the prosecution.
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
In the hallway: Sgt. John Allen and private investigator Dominic Casey
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 12:26 PM
logicalgirl
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
JA says it is a proffer, and JB is up being argumentative - doesn't want to try his case again in front of JA again. HHJP saying if the Doctor is giving his opinions then fine but if he is regurgitating articles that is inadminisable heresay. (Spelling shot - no sleep again.)
JustMeDeb
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
The anchor on HLN just said, "We have to go back to court, JB is complaining about something to HJBP." Something about the way he said it cracked me up.
strawberry
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
Holy moly..I just saw the video where ICA snarls at either JB or LDB! I completely missed that! I can't watch the whole thinkg at work. I can only get youtube. For some reason WESH only has Friday morning but not Friday afternoon on it's youtube channel. I was enjoying watching it there because it shows ICA...then no afternoon.
Americka
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
JB: I'm not interested in pre-trying my case for the benefit of the prosecution. (paraphrase)
Say what? Baez's arrogance is blinding...
adb263
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
Good Afternoon All!!
bringing this over from the (side)bar....Does anyone know of the sidebar transcripts that the media was going to get from the past couple of days of court? Haven't seen them posted anywhere. Unless I missed them...tia
coloradoteacher
06-27-2011, 01:35 PM
Dr. Furton got his testimony about chloroform by researching on the internet... says JA
Prosecutors want to proffer. Baez says, " We're not interested in trying our case for the prosecution." #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 7:35 AM
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:36 PM
Sounds like the SAO anticipates that Dr. furton will only be citing an article and NOT expressing a personal opinion.
Of course....JB wants to give it a shot anyway.
Perry not requiring proffer.
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:36 PM
HHJP let me tell you what will happen.......
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:36 PM
Judge doesn't think a proffer is necessary but doesn't want testimony to be hearsay (inadmissible)
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:36 PM
Softail
06-27-2011, 01:36 PM
CJBP saying if on cross, it comes out that his testimony is heresay, then it will all be stricken.
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:37 PM
Testimony subject to being stricken with and instruction to disregard if under cross it's discovered it's based hearsay
Donjeta
06-27-2011, 01:37 PM
JB objecting to having to pre-try his case in front of the prosecution. JA objects to regurgitating hearsay information from articles. Judge does not require proffer but if it comes up in the cross that it's entirely hearsay then it's subject to being stricken..
cloud9
06-27-2011, 01:37 PM
IMO, the defense is going to drag this out with countless delays to the very end.:banghead:
JustMeDeb
06-27-2011, 01:37 PM
JB: I'm not interested in pre-trying my case for the benefit of the prosecution. (paraphrase)
Say what? Baez's arrogance is blinding...
His whole defense has benefited the prosecution.
His arrogance...ah so many words.
pipkins
06-27-2011, 01:37 PM
JP laying down the rules to JB re if he brings up a certain subject to the witness his testimony will likely be stricken
JB getting a bit shirty
Marple
06-27-2011, 01:37 PM
JA says the internet is hearsay.
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:37 PM
At break, saw #JeffAshton walking to lunch with #lindadraneburdick and her mom. #judgeperry walking in the other direction to lunch alone.
by stevehelling via twitter at 12:37 PM
i don't think the internet is relied upon by scientific experts
jmo
chasing.halos
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
No offense to chemists, but I am getting tired of them....
CN2Souls
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
Expert Data from Wikipedia....:floorlaugh:
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
Back from recess without jury. Ashton wants to proffer witness, Baez arguing not necessary
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 12:37 PM
A proffer is basically court w/ no jury. They ask q's to make sure it's okay for jury to hear.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:37 PM
JenniferTx
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
It's going to be a long afternoon!
Marple
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
HHJB basically saying that if the scientist has run his tests then he can testify but he can't cite the internet as source of his test results. (otherwords: just cause the net says velvetta is choloroform doesn't mean it is)
fifteen89
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
Uh, isn't JB practically saying what JP warned against is exactly what JB wanted the guy to testify to?
coloradoteacher
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
HHJP is giving a lesson on the perils of internet research to JB
davehead21
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
I would like JB to use that snippy tone in front of the jury.
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
IMHO JBs experts are dropping like (blow) flies
Novice Seeker
06-27-2011, 01:38 PM
Baez attempting to define heresay to HHJP
eaglemom
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
HHJP - we don't need an expert to read on the internet
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
I read the internet, therefore I'm an expert. :floorlaugh:
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
HHJP is giving JB the equivalent of a warning with a cherry on top.
JB showing every indication of operating under his own personal, non-tested rules.
HHJP brings up an excellent point. As an analytical chemist he can have an opinion based on his experience NOT based on an internet search.
Softail
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
:lol:
CJBP saying if he read from the internet, we don't need an expert. Anyone can do that!
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
Judge says he won't require proffer but is warning defense not to elicit hearsay from witness
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 12:38 PM
gibby207
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
Belvin Perry: "I regurgitate to you..."
Controversialist
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
Dominick Casey in the house?
Maybe we'll learn who his cell phone partner was during his field trip to the discovery site. And as a corollary, find out if the A's three concrete backyard pavers ended up at the discovery site.
:waitasec:
rose222
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
If I had relied upon the sort of references Baez uses in this trial my professor would have given me a big fat FAIL for my masters degree last year.
Marple
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
Expert Data from Wikipedia....:floorlaugh:
I'm sorry but I'm offended at the disrespect you are showing for Dr. Wiki. :(
whiteangora
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
Holy Cow! Baez is telling the Judge how to interpret law!
fifteen89
06-27-2011, 01:39 PM
So.....everything we read on the internet is true???
wenwe4
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
HHBP says if Dr. Furton just going to regurgetate information in an article....JA alleges in depo Furton said he did internet search....Lind issue? HHBP doesn't know what this witness plans on testifying ....JB conferring with witness
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
Attorneys, judge discuss Furton's testimony re: chloroform. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 12:39 PM
Judge doesn't want Furton to take stand and just regurgitate Vass' study - that's hearsay. #CaseyAnthony
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:39 PM
Serjen
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
was there no trial this morning? i just got on...
Bobbarita
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
Baez is so wrong. Maintaining "internet searches" are a valid basis for the knowledge, etc. being offered by this expert. Brings to mind Wikipedia...
logicalgirl
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
If he is not giving his opinion but is talking about researching articles - then JB taking the chance of having the testimony stricken. HHJP not taking any "business" this afternoon.
If he has examined these products, and studied the components of household products that is fine, but if I do an internet search and find it is made of A and B and that is my sole knowledge - then that's when we have the problem. I don't know the basis of what he is going to say -if it's from the internet, then we don't need him for that - anyone can do it.
JB calling him back to ask him - HHJP says step outside and confer with him in the remaining six minutes before he calls the jury back.
HHJP holding the reins very tight this aft and putting his hands up over his mouth which he does when he is smiling too "big".
Tipstaff
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
JB: not interesting to pre try my case so the prosecution can have another look
Sorry not understanding this - explain anyone?
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
I read the internet, therefore I'm an expert. :floorlaugh:
Me TOOO!!!!
rose222
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
At break, saw #JeffAshton walking to lunch with #lindadraneburdick and her mom. #judgeperry walking in the other direction to lunch alone.
by stevehelling via twitter at 12:37 PM
How PROUD the dear mother must be of her intelligent, beautiful daughter LDB!
grammieto5
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
Testimony subject to being stricken with and instruction to disregard if under cross it's discovered it's based hearsay
LOL Should we take bets on wether or not JB gets this testimony stricken.
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
Belvin Perry: "I regurgitate to you..."
Quote of the day. :)
okiedokietoo
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
JB: is stepping outside to talk to Dr to make sure he isn't going to testify as an expert about household products based on internet searches etc
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
Baez is stepping out of courtroom to talk with Furton about his testimony.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:40 PM
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
JB says he will call his witness to find out the basis for his opinion. For the love of GAWD.......he doesn't already know?????????????
Bet JB now runs to Dr. Furton and says....tell them you did the research too after reading it on the internet.
eaglemom
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
JB now outside court in hall conferring w Furton on how he got opinions (supposedly) - he is outside court at least
MOO
dog.gone.cute
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/casey-phone-pictures9.jpg
BEAUTIFUL photo !!
I bet Baez is ouut there telling the doctor what to say. e.g. "DON'T say you got this knowledge through the internet"
coloradoteacher
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
JB is out in the hall asking Dr. Furton if he got his info from research on the internet
Linda7NJ
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
It's going to be a long afternoon!
and by the looks of it BORING!
This dude (:loser:) completely lost me when he said an empty salami wrapper would give off the same chemical signature as a decomposing body....:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
I read an article and stayed at Holiday Inn Express
fifteen89
06-27-2011, 01:41 PM
I read the internet, therefore I'm an expert. :floorlaugh:
Wonder if he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:42 PM
The defense regurgitates things they read on WS all the time.
luckyme
06-27-2011, 01:42 PM
Saw Judge Perry at lunch and told him of his new handle, the #VelvetHammer . He got a chuckle out of it. #caseyanthony #caseyanthonytrial
by jimlichtenstein via twitter at 1:4
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:42 PM
Saw Judge Perry at lunch and told him of his new handle, the VelvetHammer . He got a chuckle out of it.
by jimlichtenstein via twitter at 12:41 PM
eaglemom
06-27-2011, 01:42 PM
JB now doing short proffer even though not required
Yellow Rose
06-27-2011, 01:42 PM
Saw Judge Perry at lunch and told him of his new handle, the #VelvetHammer . He got a chuckle out of it. #caseyanthony
Wishbone
06-27-2011, 01:42 PM
Dominick Casey in the house?
Maybe we'll learn who his cell phone partner was during his field trip to the discovery site. And as a corollary, find out if the A's three concrete backyard pavers ended up at the discovery site.
:waitasec:
I alwasy wondered if the pavers weren't the reason ICA borrowed the shovel? Maybe used it to pry them out of the ground?
Softail
06-27-2011, 01:42 PM
:waitasec: JB doing a proffer, even though CJBP said it was not necessary.
okiedokietoo
06-27-2011, 01:42 PM
JB doing "short proffer"
Notice how JB is always telling HHJP with such confidence about matters which are permissible. Like he (JB) is the 'know all, end all' authority. :rolleyes:
liltexans
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
Judge Perry granting reimbursement of $6850 for Defense psychiatrist William Weitz. No longer defense witness.
by bobkealing via twitter at 12:42 PM
I'm sorry but I'm offended at the disrespect you are showing for Dr. Wiki. :(
jb has used them as his source for several attempted rebuttals.
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
I am so glad I went out and swam for an hour BEFORE they came back. Great stress relief!!
cloud9
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
Oh no! It's Stan's public defender's twin!:floorlaugh:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z175/spiritscript/10.jpg
logicalgirl
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
NOW JB wants a proffer - a quick one - LOL - just to keep this moving along - (insert little smile from LG)
coloradoteacher
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
Furton now on the stand explaining how he knows about chloroform in a short proffer
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
here we go again with W H O
Serjen
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
I love how JB doesn't want to waste time...Let's just forget that we cancelled court Monday and Saturday for Defense...
cloud9
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
I am so glad I went out and swam for an hour BEFORE they came back. Great stress relief!!
YES!!!! I did too for 2 hours! :)
Linda7NJ
06-27-2011, 01:43 PM
read it on the WHO website.
pipkins
06-27-2011, 01:44 PM
How PROUD the dear mother must be of her intelligent, beautiful daughter LDB!
thought you had gone crazy and was talking about Cindy there ....PHEW!
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:44 PM
I think ICA is asleep.
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:44 PM
phone call.....aaaaaargh
Are we doing proffer after all?
Softail
06-27-2011, 01:44 PM
ICA reading something in her lap. She almost looks asleep.
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:45 PM
ha ha ha ha ha hahha ahhh Internet searches
fifteen89
06-27-2011, 01:45 PM
I bet Baez is ouut there telling the doctor what to say. e.g. "DON'T say you got this knowledge through the internet"
Good point. JP probably shouldn't let JB be the one to go out there and coach his witness. Just bring the witness back to the stand and let JB talk to him there.
nursebeeme
06-27-2011, 01:45 PM
internet searches via "google scholar"
Bullwinkle
06-27-2011, 01:45 PM
Damn. Just spilled my coffee. Now there's chloroform all over the place.
eaglemom
06-27-2011, 01:45 PM
Furton did his searches through google scholar
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:45 PM
Google scholars!! LMAO!!!
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:45 PM
I am so glad I went out and swam for an hour BEFORE they came back. Great stress relief!!
I should add.....please check on me if I don't post for a while... I may have succumbed to the effects of chloroform from my wet swimsuit.
Justin Tyme
06-27-2011, 01:46 PM
Does he have the world health report order on this with him during testimony? Or is he going by memory? Let me see the report...please.
Marple
06-27-2011, 01:46 PM
I am very good at reading articles online. Therefore, I am a forensic scientist, not an idiot blogger!! Yay me!
Nana46
06-27-2011, 01:46 PM
I think the inmate is writing or texting, IMO
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:46 PM
JA up
whiteangora
06-27-2011, 01:46 PM
I'll bet he did ALL of his reading on wiki.
Shyla
06-27-2011, 01:46 PM
Court officials said the cost of #CaseyAnthony's psychological exams: $6,850.by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 12:45 PM
rose222
06-27-2011, 01:46 PM
thought you had gone crazy and was talking about Cindy there ....PHEW!
LOL. If Casey is found not guilty who knows what will happen to my brain? But for now I'm ok ;)
JenniferTx
06-27-2011, 01:47 PM
What does she keep looking down at? Is she hanging her head down reading something or trying to sleep?
Hamsterdance
06-27-2011, 01:47 PM
ICA researched chloroform on the internet. Does that make her a chemist? :eek:
JA is pinning the witness down.
Drama Queen
06-27-2011, 01:47 PM
ha ha ha ha ha hahha ahhh Internet searches
I do internet searches too. For shopping, exploration of illness, etc. Often I get much more information than I want to.
Like the day that I went to search Dicks Sporting Goods and only entered Dicks.
RUT ROH...needless to say I learned much more than I needed to about that search entry.
2 mins past time to bring the jury back in!
nursebeeme
06-27-2011, 01:47 PM
the witness is stuttering in answering JA on chloroform and household products (he has done no research himself)
Bobbarita
06-27-2011, 01:47 PM
Witness is nervous. Cracking under Ashtonization.
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:47 PM
yes my opinions are based on articles by Vass and others
Softail
06-27-2011, 01:47 PM
JA - Other than reading, what experience do you have?
Dr. Furton - Based on peer reviewed articles...etc...
stilettos
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I am very good at reading articles online. Therefore, I am a forensic scientist, not an idiot blogger!! Yay me!
Could you please remind every defendant in every case WS covers and their families that we are not idiot bloggers but serious scientists?
Rapunzel
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I think ICA is asleep.
No, she's reading her evaluation again...:floorlaugh:
tehcloser
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I'm dying here. Google Scholar? Can I call Google Bullchit? I mean come on. This is all just a waste of time. I hope this witness does not take up the rest of the afternoon.
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I am very good at reading articles online. Therefore, I am a forensic scientist, not an idiot blogger!! Yay me!
I've researched earthworms on the internet. If any attorney wants to hire me as an expert witness on the subject of entomology, give me a call. :)
~PrinceSSa~
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
Google scholars!! LMAO!!!
He used GOOGLE to find WIKI?? :floorlaugh:
:banghead:
Justin Tyme
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
Peer group studies...
lowens1975
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I think ICA is asleep.
I think she's way too interested in reading about herself.
PennyC
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
Does anyone think there's any significance to the fact that Ann is there and the other woman<Sims> isn't ? Sorry if this was discussed already. I slept in missed most of the morning. TIA
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
a sticky wicket
JustMeDeb
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
JB how are you proving the things in your opening statement? Do we honestly think he is going to be done Wed/Thurs?
Azcrabcakes
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I think ICA is asleep.
I am pretty sure she is reading. I thought she was texting at first, but I saw pages flip. (Though she could have a phone on top of the paper she is reading! LOL):waitasec:
nachomama
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
internet searches via "google scholar"
http://scholar.google.com/
Now we can all be experts..
Tipstaff
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
Court officials said the cost of #CaseyAnthony's psychological exams: $6,850.by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 12:45 PM
As a Florida Taxpayer I want my money back and I want it NOW.:great:
NiteNurse
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
So how many ways does the defense need to impress upon the jury that chloroform was involved? I am not into chemistry at all and at this point if I was a juror I would be hearing....blah blah blah chloroform blah blah.
:deadhorse:
cloud9
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
JA: "regurgitate"
Today's word. :floorlaugh:
fifteen89
06-27-2011, 01:49 PM
That was silly, Casey. Of course CM has friends other than you.
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:49 PM
Blah blah blah...something about Amelia Earhart...
Tipstaff
06-27-2011, 01:49 PM
Could you please remind every defendant in every case WS covers and their families that we are not idiot bloggers but serious scientists?
Detectives and lawyers each and everyone of us!
JustMeDeb
06-27-2011, 01:49 PM
CM's friend Amelia Earhardt?
JenniferTx
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
As a Florida Taxpayer I want my money back and I want it NOW.:great:
If I lived in Florida I would be thinking the exact same thing. What a waste of money for the state.
Linda7NJ
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
JA: "regurgitate"
Today's word. :floorlaugh:
:sick:
see above
gibby207
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
I'm a philosopher: I've read a lot of Bazooka wrappers.
Nali87
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Google Scholar is great for (school)research.. But a real chemist using googlescholar? Hmm..
Justin Tyme
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
JA is EXCELLANT. Thank you once again.
NoeticSoul
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
LOL Ashton argues siting a quote from a friend & colleague of CM :)
JBounds
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Maybe Casey is googling about herself.
Quiche
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Pfft, you should have gone for the horse's mouth, JB.
pjmale
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Reporters laughing while Baez argues.
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
he's a chemist, he's an analytical chemist, he analyzes chemicals.....
HRCODEPINK
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
He's a chemist!! That's all that matters, you know!
MelissaLee
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
KC half-smile, lifted eyebrows, smirks and pulled faces at JA's statements. Still avidly reading papers on her lap.
jane the dood
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Witness is nervous. Cracking under Ashtonization.
"Ashtonization".....:great:
tehcloser
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
An analytical chemist analyzes chemicals........WOW, that's deep.
kantoo
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Kathy Belich and that other guy reporter next to her laughing!!
JenniferTx
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
ICA researched chloroform on the internet. Does that make her a chemist? :eek:
Maybe anyone that has ever researched chloroform on the internet can now be called a chemist. :banghead:
http://i53.tinypic.com/333h9i8.jpg
fifteen89
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
It's like running around and chasing our tails - Wow. I completely agree with JB.
Curious Me
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
90.704 says no per JA.
All the other kids get to do it whines JB.
mysticrose
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
JB should keep his snide comments away from the podium....... moo
Azcrabcakes
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
He used GOOGLE to find WIKI?? :floorlaugh:
:banghead:
I think he is referring to my beloved scholars.google.com (http://scholar.google.com/) Where the wheat is separated from the chaff!
21merc7
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
I really hope this expert witness does not get to bill the State of Florida for increcible hours of google research.
whiteangora
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
Maybe the witness will get mad and get up and leave.
I can wish, right?
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
The bowling alley? Really JB??
17210
rose222
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
"Going around in circles, chasing our tails here, Judge."--Baez
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
regurgitate again
What did his honor have for lunch?
chasing.halos
06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/zahnyx/Justice%20for%20Caylee%20Marie/caylee6.jpg
stilettos
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
HHJP regurgitate :floorlaugh: ETA - makes me think HHJP doesn't think so much of JB's expert.
Blue Ridge
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
That is the third time I've heard 'regurgitate' since lunch! Two by JP and one by JA!
eaglemom
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
Dr can give his opinion - regurgitate it - HHJP
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
I am an aviator...I've read Lord of the Flies twice! :floorlaugh:
Leila
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
No, she's reading her evaluation again...:floorlaugh:
She's reading something in her lap.
HRCODEPINK
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
Maybe anyone that has ever researched chloroform on the internet can now be called a chemist. :banghead:
Well then....under that standard, I may need to change my siggy.
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
He didn't do the research jb....he read the research!
Anabelle
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
OMG! He's a Chemist, an analytical Chemist he analises(sp) Chemistry!
MissDiva
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
ROFL
"I think the court understands my argument." - JA
Oooh, that was a burn to the DT. You could almost hear him underscore the word "court" when he said it.
Marple
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
JB says (speaking of the Dr) "He is a chemical analyst. He analyzes chemistry."
StealthTheory
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
I get Ashton's argument but I actually agree with JB.
amandab
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
IMO......ICA's calm demeanor this afternoon is the flipside to this morning's mania.
SevenSeas
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
Kathy Belich and that other guy reporter next to her laughing!!
Kathy was covering her whole face with her hand guffowing! LOL
rose222
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
"Am I correct, Judge?" with a twinkle in his eye.
wenwe4
06-27-2011, 01:53 PM
JB w/Furton profer - what do you know about chloroform? General knowledge chemical compounds from education and training....referred to World Health Organization report on chloroform - thorough review of documents and peer reviewed articles refer to chloroform and it's environment....how long have you used GCMS? 25 years...chloroform come up in frequently? used as a solvent and have seen it's chemical compounds....could you tell us about consumer products and chloroform...google scolar...some websources on internet....these sources for rendering opinoins? depend on the source...in cases where no peer reviewed study I would use the information with caution....been told not to refer information about the most recent findings...opinions render have nothing to do with most recent internet research you have done....
JA - ever done any research bout presence or absence of chloroform in household products? no ....what experience other than reading what experience....as an analytical chemist is compounds of chemicals....based upon what you have read not what you have done....done peer reviewed articles and dr. Vass reports and articles...
JA - witness can give an opinion but cannot regugitate to jury what he has read....a witness may not be used for information...ie: I read somewhere household cleaners can contain chloroform....this witness cannot .....if I may quote Mr. Mason's friend Mr. Airheart pg 6767...Lind has apparently resolved an expert cannot testify on evidence ....if this witness is saying this level of chloroform ...violate Lind
JB - I thought we agreed to this before lunch....he is saying this based upon experts reasonable relied upon....not to bolster with the journals I have cautioned him about that ...not to name research or improper bolster...going around in circles Judge you made a ruling.....
JA I think the court can understand my argument
HHBp - Dr can give his opinion he can simply regurgitate his opinion.....
can on cross refer to it if questioned about what he based his research on....Dr. Furton understands conditions of ability to testify about his opinion....
grammieto5
06-27-2011, 01:53 PM
Wait a minute, JB wants to follow a rule and JB wants to move on????? Who is this person???
Elley Mae
06-27-2011, 01:53 PM
OMG! He's a Chemist, an analytical Chemist he analysis Chemistry!
That has to be in the running for quote of the day.
Talina
06-27-2011, 01:53 PM
It would seem to me that all Ashton has to do on cross is say "Dr. Furton, have you personally done any research yourself on household chemicals for the sole purpose of analyzing chloroform?"
Serjen
06-27-2011, 01:53 PM
Who is breathing so heavily, I hear heavy breathing...anyone else?
fifteen89
06-27-2011, 01:53 PM
How much ya wanna bet there's still an objection over what JB tries to get this guy to say?
Marple
06-27-2011, 01:53 PM
I'm a philosopher: I've read a lot of Bazooka wrappers.
Ha! Fortune cookies are also a good source.
Rapunzel
06-27-2011, 01:53 PM
JB: he's an analytical chemist...he analyzes chemistry...
DUH!!
bunchy
06-27-2011, 01:54 PM
I do believe JP is looking forward to the cross of this witness :)
http://i54.tinypic.com/eanw5y.jpg
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:54 PM
Like I said.....I went swimming.
Now my hair smells like the pool. I must be a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer!
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:54 PM
and we are back on looking for chloroform in everyday products again
Google Scholar is great for (school)research.. But a real chemist using googlescholar? Hmm..
Hey, I use google scholar all the time! It's just a way to look up legit journal articles.
Linda7NJ
06-27-2011, 01:54 PM
I get Ashton's argument but I actually agree with JB.
well let's hope JB doesn't cry like Casey's recent meltdown when Jeff rips him to shreds during cross
OneLostGrl
06-27-2011, 01:54 PM
WESH: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html
WESH has PIP (picture in picture) Casey in small box at the bottom
WFTV:http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html
NOTE: WFTV has 2 live feeds:
1 follows the action- http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html
One on Casey all the time: http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html
Click Orlando:http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html
FOX:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live
Media player:http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx
WFTVTV sound only: http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/coxradio/?callsign=WFTVTV
CNN http://live.cnn.com/
WDBO http://www.wdbo.com/caseyontrialvideo/
Sirius/XM – HLN Channel 116
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Bobbarita
06-27-2011, 01:54 PM
Witness will not hold up well. He is already shaken by JA. Note the stuttering and hesitation. All he can think about now is JA...
Justin Tyme
06-27-2011, 01:55 PM
Court officials said the cost of #CaseyAnthony's psychological exams: $6,850.by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 12:45 PM
Waste,huge waste...and done on a whim no less.
JB is good at wasting the states $$$.
marleysmom
06-27-2011, 01:55 PM
OMG! He's a Chemist, an analytical Chemist he analises(sp) Chemistry!
Did you catch the grey haired male reporter just out right laugh at this one??? there was no attempt to even cover it up this time! :floorlaugh:
bobkealing
#CaseyAnthony Judge Perry granting reimbursement of $6850 for Defense psychiatrist William Weitz. No longer defense witness.
13 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Farfalla40
06-27-2011, 01:55 PM
Blah blah blah...something about Amelia Earhart...
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: THANK YOU..for having to clean drink spewage off my laptop screen for the 2nd time today!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Wonder if she was also a chemist as well? :waitasec:
okiedokietoo
06-27-2011, 01:55 PM
JB: you also said we can find it in water (chloroform)
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
Like I said.....I went swimming.
Now my hair smells like the pool. I must be a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer!
You DO look alittle blue to me. ;)
sleutherontheside
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
Witness will not hold up well. He is already shaken by JA. Note the stuttering and hesitation. All he can think about now is JA...
Dr. Furton is now thinking to himself.....I will not regurgitate..I will not regurgitate.
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
do we know something about the A swimming pool? Some other chemical rather than chloride or was that just speculation?
whiteangora
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
This witness could not convince my cat to come get a big bowl of tuna.
deelytful1
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
I do believe JP is looking forward to the cross of this witness :)
I was really surprised he let this guy testify, but YES I think you're right! He's just going to let justice take its course!!
logicalgirl
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
a sticky wicket
Don't you mean a Sticky Wiki????:great:
NiteNurse
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
We should start a 'swear jar' for every time JB starts a question with 'Now....'
NavySubMom
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
Witness will not hold up well. He is already shaken by JA. Note the stuttering and hesitation. All he can think about now is JA...
I think you got that right!! JA was actually smiling when JB thought he had "won" this ruling!! IMO, MOO, etc
fifteen89
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
Like I said.....I went swimming.
Now my hair smells like the pool. I must be a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer!
I was gonna post this and forgot what it was until I read your post.
Did JB ask Furton how long he's used/studied/whatever gas chromatograph mass spectrometery? I wanted the guy to ask JB 'how long have you been able to say gas chromatograph mass spectrometer?'
adb263
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
JB: you also said we can find it in water (chloroform)
Well I probably have a very high tolerance to Chloroform then as I drink about 2 gallons of tea a day!!!
nursebeeme
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
JB just did it again!!! of course the chloroform peak wasn't just from human decomp!!! because she made it and used it!!!
((cannot wait for cross))
Oakley
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
Knowing what he is facing when JA gets to cross, this witness appears very nervous and unsure of himself to me.
cloud9
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
:sick:
see above
Help me out here, please. :)
See what above? I only meant JP and JA were saying the same word, and it was a bit amusing. NO offense intended to the prosecution, or anyone here, ever. :(
OneLostGrl
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
Witness will not hold up well. He is already shaken by JA. Note the stuttering and hesitation. All he can think about now is JA...
Bold is mine..
Me too some times haa
Bobbarita
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
Rut-roh. JA!
Mountain_Kat
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
Witness: found in urban trash bins.
Kat: GARBAGE bins! How many times do we have to do this?!
Tipstaff
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
After the morning report regarding ICA and competency I am looking at her differently today.
All her behaviors, reading, smiling, not smiling makes me believe that she isn't paying 100% attention to her own case ....she zones in and out and is in her own mind. And in her own mind she is just blowing off most witnesses and waiting and waiting to tell her own story. There are a few witnesses who interest her ie Tony, CA, LA, and a few of the earlier former friends, Yuri....but she is 'off'.
yeknomaras
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
LOL HHJP sings "cross examinationnnnnnnnn"
LyndyLoo
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
JB w/Furton profer - what do you know about chloroform? General knowledge chemical compounds from education and training....referred to World Health Organization report on chloroform - thorough review of documents and peer reviewed articles refer to chloroform and it's environment....how long have you used GCMS? 25 years...chloroform come up in frequently? used as a solvent and have seen it's chemical compounds....could you tell us about consumer products and chloroform...google scolar...some websources on internet....these sources for rendering opinoins? depend on the source...in cases where no peer reviewed study I would use the information with caution....been told not to refer information about the most recent findings...opinions render have nothing to do with most recent internet research you have done....
JA - ever done any research bout presence or absence of chloroform in household products? no ....what experience other than reading what experience....as an analytical chemist is compounds of chemicals....based upon what you have read not what you have done....done peer reviewed articles and dr. Vass reports and articles...
JA - witness can give an opinion but cannot regugitate to jury what he has read....a witness may not be used for information...ie: I read somewhere household cleaners can contain chloroform....this witness cannot .....if I may quote Mr. Mason's friend Mr. Airheart pg 6767...Lind has apparently resolved an expert cannot testify on evidence ....if this witness is saying this level of chloroform ...violate Lind
JB - I thought we agreed to this before lunch....he is saying this based upon experts reasonable relied upon....not to bolster with the journals I have cautioned him about that ...not to name research or improper bolster...going around in circles Judge you made a ruling.....
JA I think the court can understand my argument
HHBp - Dr can give his opinion he can simply regurgitate his opinion.....
can on cross refer to it if questioned about what he based his research on....Dr. Furton understands conditions of ability to testify about his opinion....
Thanks for this recap....However, I do recall that JA can ask on cross what he based his opinions, and I suggest Dr. Furton have some good sound peer reviewed articles to mention or else his whole testimony could be stricken if he cannot and his opinions are based on "Hearsay" informations...
JB has been warned..so cannot complain if the worst happens :floorlaugh:
stilettos
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
Uh uhm Methyl regurgitate chloride regurgitate uhm ahem decomposition...Oh oh HHJP said Cross really cute. HAHAHAHAHA!:floorlaugh:
HHJB just sang, Cross ex-am-in-a-tioooon"
pinkfly
06-27-2011, 01:57 PM
oh boy JA time
spare tire cover.....objection
distracted 1976
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
Loved how HHBP said "Cross Examination"
So funny!
adb263
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
All that discussion for such little questioning on direct!!
Anabelle
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
Hold onto your hats, here comes Jeff
BigFatMommyDog
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
oohhh kay - how are we getting to decomp from chloroform (yeah, I know I know but the argument is that the chloroform is not from decomp, but rather the impetus)
Tulessa
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
Gah!! Peeps KNOW not to call me during trial hours!! :maddening:
But it sounded like JB. :floorlaugh:
Here comes the assasination (by JA) of the wiki expert forensic chemist.
Azcrabcakes
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
Google Scholar is great for (school)research.. But a real chemist using googlescholar? Hmm..
You MAY be confused. scholar.google.com is for professionals and returns scholarly and peer reviewed articles. Heavy on research, scientific and legal papers. Most require a paid subscription to read more than the abstract, esp. on PubMed and JACS (http://pubs.acs.org/journal/jacsat) Journal of the American Chemical Society.
tragco
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
HHJP just almost sang the word cross-examAAYYshun.. you had to hear it.
Eidetic
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
When Casey testifies I wonder if she will try to address the jury the same as she has watched these professional witnesses do these weeks.
Hamsterdance
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
She's reading something in her lap.
Maybe she's studying google to be a defense lawyer! :eek:
justanother
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
'cross-exammmminaaation' lol
monique
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
We should start a 'swear jar' for every time JB starts a question with 'Now....'
Sorry, times are tough. I'm sitting here watching a trial and not working.
NiteNurse
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
Perry- 'That's it? Overruled on that basis.'
Bwahahahahaha!
logicalgirl
06-27-2011, 01:58 PM
HHJP literally Sings..Cross Examination! I had such a big belly laugh it took me a moment to hit the keyboard again....
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