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sleutherontheside
06-21-2011, 09:44 AM
The defense really does embody the phrase "Kangaroo Court"....I am waiting for a yet to be seen competent member of the team to jump out of someones pouch!

Linda7NJ
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
two weeks? :floorlaugh:

FaerieB
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Two weeks?! BWAAAHAHA!

mobius99
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Does Dottie think she has is laying a trap for Mr. Ashton?

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Leaf litter has a pattern? :eek:

suzihawk
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
I usually see Cindy and George in the courtroom but haven't noticed Lee. Has he been there regularly?


Not at all except the day he testified and his fiance testified.

Which makes me ask again, what was the point of having that whole sequestration thing for him removed? :waitasec:

Serjen
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
TWO WEEKS? Based on visiting the site 2 months later? Is this a joke?

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Oh please - Bock went to the disposal site in Feb 2009 - now saying there was leaf litter. Well, duh - of course there is - trees shed leaves - it was cleared in Dec.

Where is this going?


Can't say when the remains were placed there - but can say the pattern of the leaf litter says the remains were placed there two weeks before being found?


I'm so confused!!!

Novice Seeker
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Took pictures of ME at the CRIME SCENE............(shakes head) I'm sorry,recovery site.

So 14 months later she went to the site to have pictures of HERSELF taken at the scene.....for a book,would be my guess.



I think she went to the scene in Feb. of 2009?

JSR
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
2 weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sleuth5
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Dr., would you refer to this leaf litter as leaf trash, or leaf garbage?

PGWodehouse
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Caylee there for approx two weeks?

21merc7
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Did she just say she thinks Caylee was there for only 2 weeks b/c of the pattern of leaf litter?

Oh boy

QB.
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Say What!!!!

KenoshaKid
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
OMG she said the remains were at the site only 2 weeks.

Based on the leaf litter. :waitasec:

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
bobkealing

#CaseyAnthony Jurors taking a long look at leaf litter photo from scene.
1 minute ago via Twitter for iPhone

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
I did not see the point in that testimony, anyone ?


Leaf litter...is that the equivalent of forest GARBAGE or forest TRASH?

Depends...

TexasDoll
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Pattern of "leaf litter" suggests that body was moved there 2 weeks prior to discovery.

I can't believe I'm hearing this.

katydid23
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
TWO WEEKS????????? The body was only there for TWO weeks? What about the root growth?

Blue Ridge
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
two weeks? with six months of roots and stuff that had grown up thru her little bones and the bags and everything? really.

hpvdr
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
This is painful watching Simms TRY to take over questioning today.

Mendara
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Dr. Boch the pattern of the leaf litter tells her that the body was placed their two weeks before the body was found.

whiteangora
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Woah! Can you say scripted?

Sailor Bug
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Anyone have the radio link? TIA!

http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/coxradio/?callsign=WFTVTV

Nana46
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Leaf litter.....well that's an unusual description.

cloud9
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
WHAT??? Placed there 2 weeks before sometime in February, 2009?????

faefrost
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
You notice how much calmer and more relaxed JA looks with DS questioning instead of JB? I don't think we have heard a single objection yet with 2 witnesses? (oops I spoke to soon. There's one). Professionalism, it goes a long way for everyone.

USARDOG
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
This must be very entertaining for ICA, to hear people give expert testimony on why she can't have done it, why Caylee's body was placed there 2 weeks before discovery when all the time she knows she did it, and knows when she put Caylee there.

TotallyObsessed
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Is it just me, or does this questioning by DS seem.....disjointed, awkward, amateurish?

KenoshaKid
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Leaves from a camphor tree found in the undercarriage of the car. No such tree at the scene.

Mendara
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
I NEED her to describe what about leaf litter gave her two weeks. That does not seem like an exact science.

Serjen
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Nice to meet you Dr. Bock, I'm sorry for when you have to face JA after saying "2 weeks" LOL At least say a month or more to sound credible. Even DT's own witness, Huntington, disagreed with you!

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
This is definately scripted.. JA will clear this up on cross

AnotherGladysKravitz
06-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Not one camphor tree? That are native to Florida? I call Bull Honkey.

Not native, but invasive, and Everywhere. Still...bull honkey.

whiteangora
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
Pattern of "leaf litter" suggests that body was moved there 2 weeks prior to discovery.

I can't believe I'm hearing this.

Just wait for JA to get to the bottom of this insanity.

katydid23
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
And how do plants in the trunk affect where the body was found??

Why couldn't the camphor leaves have come from somewhere else?

Wishbone
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
I donít think I can listen to this expertís suppositions.

Softail
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
I am not a botanist, but can clearly see that Caylee was there for much longer than 2 weeks!

This is sickening!

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
So the hell what? Camphor tree leaves found under car, but no camphor trees at scene? I assume this car was driven OTHER places, besides the dumpsite. C'mon now.

Cubby
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
For some reason, I don't get, DCS voice irritates me. To no end. It seems fine, maybe her sugary sweet voice, and enunciation. I don't know.



IMO her voice is a thousand fold better than listening to JB. While these two ladies may put me to sleep with the soft voices, I'm afraid my TV would be covered with tomatoes if I have to listen to another word from JB.

On that note a HUGE PRAISE GOD - HALLELUJAH JB is not talking this morning!
That is worth the happy banana dance!

:Banana2::Banana2::Banana2:

Just K
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
Yeah, well there probably was one somewhere that ICA thought about dumping Caylee....like near the airport.

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
Bock describes leaves from camphor tree in car...none at recovery scene. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 8:46 AM

"Leaf litter" matters be/ #caseyanthony defense contends it suggests remains placed there after autumn when Casey was in jail
by abcashleigh via twitter at 8:46 AM

#CaseyAnthony Bock says remains may have only been at scene for two weeks judging by leaf litter
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 8:46 AM

Bock: Vegetation in #CaseyAnthony car not the same from the scene. Ashton objects. Perry sustains objection.
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 8:45 AM

#CaseyAnthony Bock says remains may have been there only two weeks judging from leaf litter photos. A few jurors taking notes.
by bobkealing via twitter at 8:45 AM

TexasDoll
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
So she went there 7 weeks and 1 day later, and because of the leaf litter she can determine HOW LONG the body was there?

Is she a physic too?!

MvD
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
2 weeks?? What the what!!!

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
Wouldn't the leaf litter have been disturbed by the flooding? I'm confused.

illek46
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
OMFG! She said the remains were there for 2 weeks?

No. She said that it COULD have been there as short as 2 weeks but she could not say exactly how long it was there.

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
Ok so Bock said that leaf evidence found on the the car contains a leaf from a tree that wasn't at the site. So what?

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
TWO WEEKS????????? The body was only there for TWO weeks? What about the root growth?

Simms asked for the shortest period of time Caylee's body could have been there. Kinda deceptively asked, imo.

Miziree
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
Oh please - Bock went to the disposal site in Feb 2009 - now saying there was leaf litter. Well, duh - of course there is - trees shed leaves - it was cleared in Dec.

Where is this going?


Can't say when the remains were placed there - but can say the pattern of the leaf litter says the remains were placed there two weeks before being found?


I'm so confused!!!

Just because she says the remains were there for 2 weeks don't mean the body was not in the area, remember it was flooded and her body was most likly floating and finally settled 2 weeks before they found her...IMO

Amster
06-21-2011, 09:47 AM
I DO NOT want JA to lose one bit of passion that he has seeking justice for Caylee!! Why does she not deserve a passionate advocate?? These people are protecting Caylee's killer, FGS!! I don't get this constant hand wringing...

NavySubMom
06-21-2011, 09:48 AM
Dr. Boch the pattern of the leaf litter tells her that the body was placed their two weeks before the body was found.


If Iwas on the jury, I would ask, WHAT about the leaf litter tells you that? She did not give any reason for the two weeks......IMO, MOO

wenwe4
06-21-2011, 09:48 AM
Dr. Bock said remains were placed there approx 2 weeks prior to discovery...due to pattern of leaf litter...

vegetation found in the car vs. vegetation found @ scene - not in agreement with the vegetation (object- no foundation) ....

Dr. Bock - review a report from Dr. D. Hall items found in or under veh. driven by kc....he described vegetation and veg fragments associated with the vehicle.....what kind veg found? ....

missed some

review report by Dr. Hall 2/9/09 date....that report....

trained botanists estimate how long a root has been alive if don't know the root - solely by measuring the diameter of the root?
object- sidebar!

Hot Dogs
06-21-2011, 09:48 AM
OMG she said the remains were at the site only 2 weeks.

She said could have been as short as 2 weeks. She didn't say the remains were there for only two weeks.

Important distinction.

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 09:48 AM
Wait she went to the site on feb of 2009 the remains were found Dec of 2008 and she says they were there for two weeks. what is wrong with this woman.

SillyJilly
06-21-2011, 09:48 AM
Depends...

:floorlaugh::crazy::floorlaugh:

pjones
06-21-2011, 09:48 AM
I'm not familiar with vegetation in Florida. Is there a significant loss of vegetation, i.e., leaf litter accumulation, between December and February?

Kimster
06-21-2011, 09:48 AM
Dragonlady just posted some pics of the area the other day. Does anyone see any camphor trees in the photos?

kathyn2
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
Why would there be leaves from the scene in the trunk of KCs trunk? She took the body from the trunk and dumped it in the field, not vice versa. She didn't bring leaves back to her trunk. Whats the purpose of this testimony? Can't wait til Ashton gets a hold of this witness. She sounds ridiculous to me.

Fluffy Puppy
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
I am not a botanist, but can clearly see that Caylee was there for much longer than 2 weeks!

This is sickening!

She said the minimum time was 2 weeks. No one has asked her about a maximum time, yet, nor have they asked her for a range.

sleutherontheside
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
Not one camphor tree? That are native to Florida? I call Bull Honkey.

The DT will say that someone else dumped Caylee....but recall KC drove around ALOT!!! Bet some of her first choices for dump site had camphor trees.

mysticrose
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
This is ridiculous !

21merc7
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
Our first sidebar of the day.

Why does DT keep trying to sneak in info while questioning witnesses, it is obvious to us, so must be to the jury too

Boytwnmom
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
is there a single defense witness that has a plausibly believable conclusion to testify to? Methinks no....





two weeks? with six months of roots and stuff that had grown up thru her little bones and the bags and everything? really.

The Farm
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone.

Linda7NJ
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
two weeks goes against ALL of their other witnesses testimony! except Spitz & his someone took the skull applied tape and put it back.

scotslass
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
TWO WEEKS????????? The body was only there for TWO weeks? What about the root growth?

She has also stated in her depos that the root growth is consistent with the 2week time frame... but then again she had forgotten her book that day ...sigh..

SuziQ
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
OMG she said the remains were at the site only 2 weeks.

I wonder how much she got paid to say that? I hope she waits a long time for her check. Shame on her.

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
I'm not familiar with vegetation in Florida. Is there a significant loss of vegetation, i.e., leaf litter accumulation, between December and February?

Might be. It's our "fall".

Solomisskitty
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
DS's voice.
Searching for props for eyelids.

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
WFTV reports that RC is waiting outside the courtroom and will be called to testify.

mombomb
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
9:33

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DR. JANE BOCK BY DS

She is a botanist, specializing in plant ecology, plant anatomy and forensic botany - the application of plant science to matters of the law.

Education - BS in botany from Duke, MS in botany, and PhD in botany. She is a retired biology professor and still teaches a little bit.

Publications - 80 peer reviewed papers. Books - authored three books and edited a third. 2 books are on plant ecology, one is on forensic biology and botany and the edited one is on plant ecology.

Research support - 30 year academic career continuos research support NSF, and other governmental entities.

Professional organization - ACFS, IAI, Botanical Society of America and a couple of others.

Trial testimony experience - she has testified 50+ times in court, including depositions. She has offered testimony in forensic botany to determine if remains had been moved?

JA - No objection to witness being used as a forensic botanist.

In this case, she has seen photos by the ME and CSI and she has visited the discovery scene and has read several printed documents - the ME's report, description of recovery site by Ms. Welch. Also, reports from David Hall.

She visited the remains site on 2/1/09. She didn't take photos, but Patrick McKenna took photos for her.

She identified one of the photos McKenna took. Photo marked as Exhibit 29 with no objection from JA and published to the Jury.

She described the ground cover as "leaf litter", a general term used for leaves that fall off vegetation over arching the area. The litter accumulates. There were also pieces of sticks and needles from evergreen plants.

Her opinion of shortest period of time that Caylee's remains could have been at the scene was 2 weeks. She could not tell when the remains were placed there.

Opinion basis - the pattern of the leaf litter.

Vegetation found in ICA's car, it was her opinion that it is not in agreement.

OBJECTION BY JA - SUSTAINED

She reviewed Dr. Hall's report setting out items of vegetation found in and under the vehicle - bits of leaves - especially from a camphor tree. There is no camphor tree at the remains site.

Regarding Dr. Hall's 2/9/09 report -

OBJECTION BY JA - comments on someone else's report - OVERRULED

Does the field of botany trains botanist to estimate how long a root has been alive solely by measuring the diameter of a root?

SIDEBAR #1 - 9:47

Insomnia Momma
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
Maybe I'm reading too much into this (RC) but they just showed CA and GA and I think CA looks angry and GA looks very concerned. :dunno:

shotgun09
06-21-2011, 09:49 AM
Watch all the TH's on IS and HLN run with the two weeks. They will not state whatever JA has to counter her statements with either. This will be another "win" for the defense. Goodness!

Tulessa
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Way to avoid sidebars. Keep JB from questioning witnesses. :woohoo:

logicalgirl
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Oh goody - coming up with the root evidence - and estimated growth - I love this part - it is so silly....

aprilraindance
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
I hope Ashton cross examines this witness... IMO It will be a hoot! 2 weeks my fat fanny!

PGWodehouse
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Wait. Is she saying there's leaf litter from a camphor tree, but no camphor tree at the dump site? So is she saying CSI cut one down, or that there was a camphor tree at an original dump site and then little Caylee was moved to a different dump site? Confuzzled. :(

JSR
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Did this chick SEE the photo of the roots GROWING through the baby blanket????????????????

Hamsterdance
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
WFTV commentators mention that woman who had an affair with GA is waiting in the wings to testify today. Should get interesting.

(Poor GA)

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
OMG, there are dogwood leaves under my car, but no dogwood trees at my house!! Does that mean I don't live here?! :eek:

:floorlaugh:

STEADFAST
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Why would Casey's car have the same vegetation on it after a month? Especially since she probably washed it pretty well. I mean, I could see if LE caught her on the road leaving the scene, that this line of questioning might be productive. But otherwise . . .

camcneishg
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
I live in FL, I have a camphor tree that I did not plant.....

HotButteredGrits
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
WFTV analyst just pointed out that the Defense's own entomolgoist previously testified that the remains had been placed in late June/early July ... in effect, two defense experts with two different opinions. Says that is odd way to present this info.

Sleuth5
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
This is sort of like watching Larry, Moe, and Curly in court. Now this expert is contradicting Dr. S., saying the body could't have been there that long. Well, when you can't fascinate 'em with facts, baffle 'em with .... well, you know.

Blue Ridge
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
how does 2 weeks fit in exactly with the fact that adjoining portions of her body were found together feet/yards away, which obviously had been carried away by animals prior to skeletonization, when soft tissue was still there to hold it together? hmmm.

MaraSleuth
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Did she just say she thinks Caylee was there for only 2 weeks b/c of the pattern of leaf litter?

Oh boy

It's ridiculous! She visited the site a few months later! Even if she says she got this from observing the crime/recovery photos it's absurd. I hope the SA have a botanist ready to go for a rebuttal! What about all that root growth in the hair!?

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
I don't think ICA drove into the woods did she. this witness is saying vegetation on the defendants vehicle was of some kind of tree that was not found at the scene. The only way vegetation from that site would be found on her vehicle is if she drove into the woods. IS is not buying her theory of 2 weeks.

katydid23
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Sorry, but this seems implausible. There is no way that root system would be that involved in just 2 weeks of growth.

Oakley
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
After listening to DS....does she mean to sound like she has no idea what she is doing? Now she is starting to sound a little 'baby girl voice'....IMO IYKWIM..

You may be on to something. It's called the 'Not That Smart' defense. But is it on purpose?

LancelotLink
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
So, we can't argue that the roots growing up thru the laundry bag, trash bags, and thru the skeletonized remains of a child took one week (as she stated in her depo IIRC). Now the leaf litter tells her it was two weeks.

I need to go back and read her leaf litter litany in her depo...was it even in there?

Dr. Hall?

downport
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
JA, on cross, should ask one question:
Did you say 2 weeks ?
Yes
No further questions your honor

Novice Seeker
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
Is it just me, or does this questioning by DS seem.....disjointed, awkward, amateurish?



All of the above....IMO

fifteen89
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
What a load of ... No one had any trouble hearing her. Now, her "P" words are booming. This is another crappy DT strategy...

Maybe she's gonna build up to a Perry Mason moment. It sure seems to come and go.

KenoshaKid
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
DS just called her Dr. Hall.

gamom
06-21-2011, 09:50 AM
DS just called Dr. Boch, Dr. Hall!!! LOL

Serjen
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Dr. Hall...OMG please DT just give up, hand Casey over, and go home

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Oh jeeze DS forgot who was on the stand - she just called Bock - Dr. Hall.

Sleuth5
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Dr. Hall? Dr. Bock? Dr. Howard? Dr. Howard? Dr. Fine?

amysmom
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
OMG! "Dr. Hall"..I'm "Dr. Bock"..Shoot me NOW!

Softail
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Mike Brooks is also baffled by this "2 weeks" claim. Ridiculous.

LiveLaughLuv
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
hahahaha! she (Bock) accidentally said "crime scene" which is EXACTLY what it was!!! It is infuriating to hear "discovery/recovery" scene!!!!! You can totally see that she was coached by Baez.......

and said Caylee's remains were placed there two weeks prior to her being discovered by RK....I hope JA uses his botanist at his rebuttal case and lays hard with all that he might have withheld to make a severe impact...

Wowsers...DCS can't remember her name...

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
And then DS calls her Dr Hall wow

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Dr. Bock says she can't say how long Caylee's remains were in the woods.. But says the shortest time is two weeks
2 minutes ago

adb263
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Defense council rule number 1....know the name of your sides witnesses..

MaraSleuth
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
"Dr. Hall.."

"I'm Dr. Bock."


:D

Chili Fries
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Is the two week estimate because some of the trees shed their leaves late in the fall? I've only lived in Miami so I'm not familiar with trees in Orlando.

cloud9
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Okaaaay! Two weeks? Then where was Caylee from June, 2008 until then?????

Hamsterdance
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
She is a bontanist and can't tell what plants those roots came from and can't tell how old they are??!! I find that unbelievable.

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Botanist Dr. Bock's theory is borked. JA has got this. No worries.

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Guys, I'm just glad we don't have to hear every question start with: Now, did you...

Stella5
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Dr. Hall? Sims can't even get her name right... and do we have a Dr. Hall on tap to testify to some other imaginary ridiculous opinion?

amysmom
06-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Dr. Hall? Dr. Bock? Dr. Howard? Dr. Howard? Dr. Fine?

Who's on FIRST? lol

sleutherontheside
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
OMG.....DCS can't remember who she is referring to on the stand. She has Dr. Hall's report on the brain. That is clear!!!

sunsetbeach
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
TWO WEEKS????????? The body was only there for TWO weeks? What about the root growth?

Well ya know the DT wants to make sure "someone" "anyone" can say that because ICA was in jail. It's all lies and these so called experts for the DT are making themselves look like :loser: as far as I am concerned. I hope the jurors see it the same way.

distracted 1976
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
Bombshell tonight!!!

Dr Bock says Size Matters!

Celt1997
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
I don't think ICA drove into the woods did she. this witness is saying vegetation on the defendants vehicle was of some kind of tree that was not found at the scene. The only way vegetation from that site would be found on her vehicle is if she drove into the woods. IS is not buying her theory of 2 weeks.

That's what I was wondering. She didn't drive the car back there, so why would vegetation on the car matter?

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
CFNews13Casey

Sims calls Dr. Bock Dr. Hall - he's the state's plant expert. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
less than 20 seconds ago via Twitter for iPad\


Makes me wonder if Simms will be questioning Dr Hall, too.

Tulessa
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
A Botanist doesn't know what roots those plants came from?

Hot Dogs
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
Dragonlady just posted some pics of the area the other day. Does anyone see any camphor trees in the photo?

OCSO CSI did an inventory of all tree species at the site. Camphor wasn't there.

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
#caseyanthony Jury looks same today as they do EVERY day. Interested.
by abcashleigh via twitter at 8:51 AM

The evidence monitors are mounted on the walls “@heister07: @JimLichtenstein why r people craning their necks looking up to to ceiling?
by jimlichtenstein via twitter at 8:51 AM

#CaseyAnthony Oops!!!! Sims just called Dr. Bock..Dr. Hall and Dr. Bock had to correct her. Sims: "Sorry, i t's been a long day already."
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 8:51 AM

Sims calls Dr. Bock Dr. Hall - he's the state's plant expert. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 8:51 AM

"Just a second ... OK, objection sustained. You may continue."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 8:50 AM

Jurors 11 and 12 are swaying back and forth in chairs while 15 and 16 whisper to eachother #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 8:50 AM

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
"Dr. Hall.."

"I'm Dr. Bock."


:D

:floorlaugh:

FaerieB
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
There is a weird noise in the courtroom like steam coming through a pipe. Jurors look around but judge keeps things moving. #CaseyAnthony

mitzi
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
omg she said the remains were at the site only 2 weeks.

gmafb!

Serjen
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
I hope Ashton cross examines this witness... IMO It will be a hoot! 2 weeks my fat fanny!

He will since he's doing the objections. :crazy:

tragco
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
The car couldn't have gotten to the crime scene anyway. The pre clearing pics clearly show too many trees for any car to fit through. I have no idea what a camphor leaf on a car has to do with anything.

amysmom
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
Okaaaay! Two weeks? Then where was Caylee from June, 2008 until then?????

Hanging out with Roy Kronk silly!

TotallyObsessed
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Ashton.

SuziQ
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
lots of water...and a little bit of water.....:waitasec:

Peliman
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
That's the job I want, watching plant roots grow. ;)

Amster
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
<modsnip> DS needs to go back to babysitting the inmate.

butwhatif?
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
GA and CA and 1st sidebar..

pjones
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Might be. It's our "fall".

Thanks. I am in Virginia. In the fall here I can rake leaves today, and within 2 days I'm innundated with leaves again.

miabellamoure
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
So she went there 7 weeks and 1 day later, and because of the leaf litter she can determine HOW LONG the body was there?

Is she a physic too?!

Not to mention wasn't the recovery scene cleared and very likely had whatever "leaf litter" disturbed already after the recovery?

Come on Dr Bock...it's time for a trip to Cherry Hills Senior Home!

Jomo
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
This should be good!

Hamsterdance
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Cross examination... Go JA!!

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
So...she saying body was there for 2 weeks based soley on leaf pattern?! Or did I miss something?

ETA: Wasn't there flooding? And a big storm?

miss plum
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
That sudden loud "SIZE AND GROWTH RATES" gave me an ugly fright.

Fluffy Puppy
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Don't hate on me, but I think this is a valid witness for the defense. She is not spinning her findings (a la Spitz), she is just answering the questions. "minimum time" was the question, and she answered it.
They are entitled to put on witnesses, regardless of how weak their findings are.

MissJames
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
I think she went to the scene in Feb. of 2009?

I corrected it ,thanks! Stoopid Math

FaerieB
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
The noise is back. I'm not an expert but a light might be burning out !?!? Not sure but deputies are watching a flickering light

Softail
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
I almost feel sorry for Dr. Bock. JA is going to destroy her.

Mendara
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Dr. Boch is adorable.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
"Dr. Hall.."

"I'm Dr. Bock."


:D

"I AM Dr. Vass"

Marina2
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
The remains were there two weeks yet animals spread the body around while soft tissue was still present?

JSR
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Go JA!!!!!

debloree
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Go Jeff!!! Goooooo!!

passionflower
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Go ja!!!!

robotdog
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
this is beyond ridiculous

im going to go mow the lawn

JA will eviscerate this witness:truce:

STEADFAST
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
How can she say you can't tell how long the roots had been there AND say the body had been there 2 weeks based on the plants?

LancelotLink
06-21-2011, 09:53 AM
JA! YEA!!
suddenly I have the urge to hear Blondie. Oh, Rip Her To Shreds comes to mind...

newsjunkie
06-21-2011, 09:54 AM
I am not a botanist, but can clearly see that Caylee was there for much longer than 2 weeks!

This is sickening!

ITA. . .I mean how could her little bones have been strung all over that area in such a short time. Plus, didn't someone testify that something (the skull or another bone???) was actually buried up to a certain point.

They had to sift to find everything. Two weeks just doesn't seem plausible.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:54 AM
That's the job I want, watching plant roots grow. ;)

That's what I thought we were doing

cityslick
06-21-2011, 09:54 AM
Ok she got him there.

Most of your experience in CO?

No that's not correct.

Have you done work in FL as a botanist?

It was where I did my PhD.

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 09:54 AM
Dr Bock did research in FL back in the 60's.

LancelotLink
06-21-2011, 09:54 AM
this is beyond ridiculous

im going to go mow the lawn

JA will eviscerate this witness:truce:

Careful with your leaf litter.

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:54 AM
Dr. Bock is starting to remind me a little bit of Dr. Spitz. Bless her heart.

PaperTigers
06-21-2011, 09:54 AM
Dr. Boch is adorable.

Couldnt agree more. She is so cute!

SuziQ
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Does anyone think this witness was getting miffed at DS telling her to "speak up"?

I don't know what DS's problem was, but I can hear this lady just fine.

pinkfly
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
She seems like a learned witness but again I think the DT only provides the pictures and info they want and their witnesses end up looking worse for their lack of awareness.

Kat
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Jebus I live in subtropical HI and roots and stuff don't even grow that fast in 2 weeks here. And trust me carp grows fast here.

sleutherontheside
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
She hopes to have more research in Florida in the not to distant future. Sounds like motive for participating in the trial to me. HeeHee


JA is already reading my mind.

dilbert
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Bombshell tonight!!!

Dr Bock says Size Matters!

HA HA!!!:crazy:

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Don't hate on me, but I think this is a valid witness for the defense. She is not spinning her findings (a la Spitz), she is just answering the questions. "minimum time" was the question, and she answered it.
They are entitled to put on witnesses, regardless of how weak their findings are.

Agreed. But I'm not certain her findings really amount to much.

countzero
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Don'tcha love it when a witness comes up with a "plausible" but befuddling testimony to fit the DT's, well I can't figure out what word to use for what and where the DT is currently going with their defense.

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Well that certainly qualifies her - she studied the food habits of the tortoise

Solomisskitty
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Dr. Bock "I studied food habits of the tortoise".

That should reealllly come in handy here!
not

grammieto5
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
eeewww the 60's good time to go to Berkley :-)

pipkins
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
shes studied the food habit of a tortoise in florida - wow - she is gonna rip the prosecution apart with this bombshell!

pjones
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Food habits of the tortoise? Well that's really relevant....

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 09:55 AM
Dr. Hall? Dr. Bock? Dr. Howard? Dr. Howard? Dr. Fine?

:floorlaugh:

robotdog
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
Careful with your leaf litter.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
Yes, the Anthonys are here. “@themediamama: @JimLichtenstein George + Cindy there today?”
by jimlichtenstein via twitter at 8:55 AM

Dr.Fessel
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
Oh I like turtles.

Serjen
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
Food habits of a tortoise. ..... .... ......

Shelby1
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
#CayleeAnthony (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23CayleeAnthony) Juror 16 has a new faux hawk and beard growth making him appear ready to join New Kids/Backstreet retro group.

Marina2
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
Dr. Bock sounding much more assertive on cross.

Sleuth5
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
Jebus I live in subtropical HI and roots and stuff don't even grow that fast in 2 weeks here. And trust me carp grows fast here.

Aloha, Sistah!

Kat
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
JA is pinning her down on her area of work studies.

HotButteredGrits
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
This expert seems agitated with both sets of attorneys.

Drama Queen
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
She studied the endangered tortise. I wonder if she has ever studied squirrels?

passionflower
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Not to mention wasn't the recovery scene cleared and very likely had whatever "leaf litter" disturbed already after the recovery?

Come on Dr Bock...it's time for a trip to Cherry Hills Senior Home!

yes, 4-10 inches!!!!

TraceyLeigh
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
OT.. Y'all are killin me this morning!!! bahahahaha

PaperTigers
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Go turtles!

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Well, she went to Berkley in the 60s so the study of grasses seems right

Tulessa
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
She is a bontanist and can't tell what plants those roots came from and can't tell how old they are??!! I find that unbelievable.

Thank you! Seriously!! As a Cherokee, my mom taught me medicinal plants from the time that I was old enough to walk. I can tell you what dried blood root,ginseng, may apple ,and many many others look like, as well as them being freshly dug. GMAB!

Jomo
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
If anything, Dr. Bock has learned from the Frye hearing on how to deal and answer the questions that JA is throwing at her. She has change her demeanor and answers from the Frye hearing!

tragco
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Don't hate on me, but I think this is a valid witness for the defense. She is not spinning her findings (a la Spitz), she is just answering the questions. "minimum time" was the question, and she answered it.
They are entitled to put on witnesses, regardless of how weak their findings are.

I agree, she's a good witness.

jenniek
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
"I AM Dr. Vass"

but are you a chemist?

Sleuth5
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
This expert seems agitated with both sets of attorneys.

It's never fun for academics to discuss their area of expertise with non-experts.

MissJames
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
So...she saying body was there for 2 weeks based soley on leaf pattern?! Or did I miss something?

ETA: Wasn't there flooding? And a big storm?

I am soooo sorry you can't read her depo .It was :floorlaugh:
Back to work ,Mock Juror!

sunsetbeach
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
Thanks. I am in Virginia. In the fall here I can rake leaves today, and within 2 days I'm innundated with leaves again.



I'm in Texas and we have the same experiance. We have 3 acres of land loaded with trees and it's a real pain. rake, rake, rake!

MissDiva
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
This witness doesn't bother me at all. First one for the DT that has seemed to be ok.

USARDOG
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
As far as I'm concerned she could be basing her opinion on tea leaves. Where on earth do they find these people!

countzero
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
Jebus I live in subtropical HI and roots and stuff don't even grow that fast in 2 weeks here. And trust me carp grows fast here.

I think we should all have a meetup with you after this trial is over. :woohoo: I'll send cases of wine, via mr brown jeans, so I don't get raped on the excessive baggage charges United charges.

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
He did. “@eviecurley: @bobkealing The Defense Team's own bug expert goes against that theory!!! This is ridiculous testimony.”
by bobkealing via twitter at 8:57 AM

sleutherontheside
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
Nice....JA getting it on the record about how wet it was AGaIN!!

fifteen89
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
"I don't know what you mean by frequent."
??????

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 09:58 AM
Dr. Bock describes the area as a "swamp-hardwood" area.

Frequently wet.

barrysgirl
06-21-2011, 09:59 AM
OMG, there are dogwood leaves under my car, but no dogwood trees at my house!! Does that mean I don't live here?! :eek:

:floorlaugh:

You are so busted!

Mamabear1963
06-21-2011, 09:59 AM
I am impressed with the DT's um...creativity...ingenuity...well sort of...

Hyacinths...tortoises...grass lands oh my...

Seriously...the time money they have spent on filling in the lies....is incredible.


swamp hardwood...interesting term... um yea

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 09:59 AM
Why do I have the Murder, She Wrote theme in my head? I'm serious here.

Stop laughing at me.

Fluffy Puppy
06-21-2011, 09:59 AM
I almost feel sorry for Dr. Bock. JA is going to destroy her.

I hope not. I think it would be a mistake. This botanist has a limited opinion. She is limiting hr own opinion. And JA already knows the answer to her opinion of maximum time -- if it is relevant or useful, he will ask.

No need to destroy her, imo.

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:59 AM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Jury seems restless for this witness testimony
1 minute ago

Solomisskitty
06-21-2011, 09:59 AM
Food habits of the tortoise? Well that's really relevant....

Yep, it's illegal to kill them TOO....

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:59 AM
JA now going where I went...what about flooding? Storms? Etc.

PGWodehouse
06-21-2011, 09:59 AM
Bock to JA: I don't know what you mean by "frequent".

debloree
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
who knew we'd learn so much about squirrels, pigs and tortoises?

LancelotLink
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Jebus I live in subtropical HI and roots and stuff don't even grow that fast in 2 weeks here. And trust me carp grows fast here.

From my own experiment. Last summer, I sat a plastic bag of shavings on its side and left it there for three weeks. Not one root even attempted to break the surface. I must have really timid roots.

Cherry Baby
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
I'm actually kinda interested in the food habits of a tortoise, how selective they are with their diet and all that. But I'm not too sure it would have anything to do with the trial.

SeaNymph
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Is this the 'expert' who forgot to bring her 'Indiginous Plants of Florida' book with her at deposition? :crazy:

Mamabear1963
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
You are so busted!


Wait a minute!!! you cannot bust the mock juror...we will need to have a special hearing

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
but are you a chemist?

Yes. A Rodeo Chemist

miss plum
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Dr. Boch is adorable.

She tortoise a lot about leaf litter.

mydailyopinions
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
2 weeks?

Good Lawd have mercy!

MissJames
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
I agree, she's a good witness.

The reason she is not,IMO ,is because her knowledge of the plants at the site comes from looking at books. She has never studied them up close and personal.

USARDOG
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Oh please! Roots grow there in 2 weeks in December. I lived in FL, this is not possible IMO

pinkfly
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Her answers are consistent but his questions are telling a much better story

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Roots could grow into bag and bones in only two weeks? I'm NOT buying that, Dr. Bock. Sorry.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Two weeks? I don't think so. This was Caylee's Winnie the Pooh baby blanket.
http://i56.tinypic.com/r01q20.jpg


There were also roots growing through Caylee's bones, her hair and holding her mandible in place.

sappysoul
06-21-2011, 10:00 AM
Hoping JA keeps his demenor toned down on cross with bock. Kicking the crap out of Dr S is one thing but . . . nobody wants to see a grandmotherly type slaped around. Just saying.

The DT should scramble to find all the elderly female experts they can find. That is about the only way they can take him down a notch.

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Dr. Bock saw the photographs and also the bones.

Dr. Bock says she's no expert on bones and not qualified to comment on bones/root growth.

Kimster
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Roots grow really fast in Florida! :eek: And I thought plants grow fast in Oregon! I'm surprised the whole state isn't covered in vegetation!

JSR
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
She's totally off. Any plain Gardner like myself knows that there's no way those roots only grew 2 weeks in December.

laserdisc10
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Her answers are consistent but his questions are telling a much better story


Nominating this for post of the day

QueenD
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Gawd I am glad the weeds in flower beds don't grow that fast. Help us lawd.

Wishbone
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Don't hate on me, but I think this is a valid witness for the defense. She is not spinning her findings (a la Spitz), she is just answering the questions. "minimum time" was the question, and she answered it.
They are entitled to put on witnesses, regardless of how weak their findings are.


Making yourself available as an expert witness to defend a child killer is a pathetic way to make a living. IMO she is despicable.

MissDiva
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
I don't think I believe that there could have been that much root growth in two weeks in December, but I still think this witness is cute.

Novice Seeker
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Dr. Bock is quickly loosing credibility with her claim that roots could have grown through the hair and bones in as little as two weeks

Steely Dan
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
All of the plant growth through the fabric and through the hair etc. all occurred within two weeks in her opinion. :waitasec:

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Aha - JA asking if they could have grown there in two weeks as opposed to accumulated there in two weeks.

Roots growing into the bones - could that have occured in two weeks in Dec.?

I suspect so - but I don't study bones.

WTH kinda of answer is that?


Never had experience of dealing with root growth in a decomposing skeletons.
Only skeletons that have been in place for years.

TiaM
06-21-2011, 10:01 AM
That's what I thought we were doing

No, we've been watching beige paint dry the last week or so. :banghead:

SuziQ
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Witness basically said she doesn't know nothin about nothin when it comes to plants and bones.

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Well, she went to Berkley in the 60s so the study of grasses seems right

:great:

countzero
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Well, she went to Berkley in the 60s so the study of grasses seems right

Ah, the Dobbie (pause) Brothers. :rocker: Wait that wasn't their band name.

fifteen89
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
"Sometimes yes or no is not so easy."

ETA: And she answers the next question with "Oh, yes."

Serjen
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
The defense witnesses ALWAYS seem like they are being evasive on cross...I am sure jury notices this. It's so ridiculous.

LiveLaughLuv
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Botanist Dr. Bock's theory is borked. JA has got this. No worries.

Dr. Bock turns her eyes UP when answering...never looks towards the jury..don't think they can take this as believable testimony and this is the battle of the experts case.....hmmmm....who to believe....

Leaf litter tells her body was there just 2 weeks prior to discovery...could hav accumulated there in two weeks...difference in accumulate and grown..my question can they grow there two weeks..yes...roots through canvas laundry bag...you say they can grow in two weeks? Yes...and the bone? I suspect so but I'm no expert on bones..not qualified to testify to osteology....Never had that experice dealing with a skeleton with roots growing..hestitated a bit, said yes and made a face looking upwards....

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
JB is going to need to get tougher on this witness.

MissDiva
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
She tortoise a lot about leaf litter.

*groan*

grammieto5
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
ok so she saw photos of the roots, and photos of the bones, but did she say she saw photos of the roots growing through the bones???

Cubby
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
I'm finding her testimony fairly interesting. Wish IS would quit with the gazillion commercials.

Kat
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
IMHO this is a well qualified witness the defense called. Just as Dr. Spitz was IMHO. The jury will listen to both sides questioning and can only come away with the conclusion that KC is guilty. JMHO.

I find this witnesses testimony interesting though. JA is doing a good and thorough job of questioning.

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Impeachment time.

Jetaime
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Juror 11 is sitting forward, taking careful notes. And juror 15 is still the note taking queen. #CaseyAnthony
by stevehelling via twitter at 9:01 AM

Oakley
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
She seems very unsure of herself. "Sometimes yes or no is not so easy." Well this may be true, but she seems unsettled within herself, doesn't speak with authority or conviction IMO

Fluffy Puppy
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
imo, Ashton needs to get away from this witness so her testimony is as limited as stated in her direct. He is allowing her to expand it to areas that are not helpful to his cause. I think she is credible and good.

Mendara
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Dr. Boch is sticking to her story of two weeks saying she believes roots could grow through a laundry bag in December in two weeks. Will not testify about roots growing through bones, saying she is not qualified.

JA making her admit she has never studied root growth through bones.
Then she comes back and says she has "looked" at evidence of roots growing through bone over many years.


MO

liltexans
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Juror 11 is sitting forward, taking careful notes. And juror 15 is still the note taking queen. #CaseyAnthony
by stevehelling via twitter at 9:01 AM

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
The look on Dr Bock's face when she just said yes to one of JA's questions was priceless like OMG did I answer that correctly.

Softail
06-21-2011, 10:02 AM
This laughable. So, next we will have JB saying "Our expert said she was only there for 2 weeks. The rest of the time, RK was playing hide the body."

This is ridiculous.