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MissDiva
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
During this recess I am making hummus. Humerous isn't it.
LOL

:floorlaugh:

DesSands
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
[QUOTE=momtective;6722873]If Dr. Bock believes that roots could grow into that laundry bag and up through those bones in only two weeks.... I cannot give her testimony any credit at all. Anyone who gardens knows that plants just do not grow that fast. You don't have to be a botanist to know that it takes time for plants and plant roots to grow. :doh: <Snipped>

Oh so true, I wanted home grown tomatoes so bad last year I was willing to wait 5 or 6 days. The more I watched them, the less they grew. Long story short, it took the usual 3 mos. :crazy:

Jorjamay
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
That explains it all, Casey next defence the Dog did it .... Did they have a dog?

tragco
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
WoW that last part, the witness said a coyote might have buried it (a hipbone) into 4 inches of muck and JA points out that in that area of Fl they are not blessed with coyotes. Previously the witness said she had lots of experience in FL. JA is a real good witness crosser.

Laynee
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
OMG Dr Bock states in response to a question by JA about a bone being found 4 inches under muck, that a dog may have buried that hip bone of little Caylee? Unbelievable!

liltexans
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
pros asks botanist if bone buried in 4 inches of muck means lying there longer 2 weeks? She says coyotee cud hve buried it.
by abcashleigh via twitter at 9:37 AM

Softail
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
:lol: Christy Paul thinks this witness was a little confused.

ZsaZsa
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
Maybe a dog buried it!!???

When she said that JA just got his papers together and looked at the Jury, then sat down.
Didn't need to say anymore....

LancelotLink
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
Didn't Zanny have a dog? Hmm....

Yellow Rose
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
I honestly thought JA was gonna lose it there for a sec. I could just see that G A S P coming as soon as she said a dog buried it.

Fluffy Puppy
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
Dr Bock: bone found 4 inches under ground may have been buried by dog or coyote.

:banghead:

Gerus implicated again.

spartanmom
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
No coyotes. Maybe a squirrel buried it.

Great job JA!


Because George hit their relatives with a car????!!!????? :waitasec:

PaperTigers
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
what was with that loud laugh from JP? what caused that??

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
Did JA giggle when the witness stated "or a dog buried it"? Too funny.

yes he did

TUSK
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
OMG , the dog ate my homework!

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
This witness may or may not be coming accross very well to many of us. However, i respect her for her knowledge, most of which is much more than any of us know.

Now, the reason I'm saying this is because i have rainforest growth on an apartment patio. Everyone aske me how, and why. Now, I am doing notes - no research - there are factors to this that most of you cannot image. Don't laugh unless you've tried to do it.

Well, I know they don't have coyotes in Florida. :floorlaugh:

cricketann
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
Dr. B " She corrects better " right before HHJP told her to have a seat. Was I hearing things?

Celt1997
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
IMO, SMART for Jeff Ashton to end on "a dog buried it."

But...no coyotes in Florida? Umm...really? I thought there were... http://www.stpete.org/wildlife/florida_coyote.asp

Interesting to note that website specifically is from St. Pete / Pinellas County where the jurors are from. Hopefully they aren't sitting there wondering why JA said there are no coyotes.

Reality Orlando
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
Just as an FYI...there are indeed coyotes in Central Florida and the Orlando area:

"ORLANDO, Fla. -- Several coyotes that were roaming near downtown Orlando have been captured, but the hunt is not over."


http://www.wftv.com/news/16709793/detail.html

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
The DT got out what they wanted to the jury that her feeling is that the body was only there for 2 weeks. She was def not a good witness.

MissDiva
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
Why do I get the feeling that it today's poll about what we learned today, there's going to be a reference to coyotes?

Talina
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
I said yesterday on a post that I was looking forward to Dr. Bock's testimony after having read her depositions. I got tickled and amused when reading those. I was not disappointed.;)

downport
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
A dog ...

I'm speachless.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
OKKKKKKKKK. Now a dog buried it?

Jose is not going to like this. Now he has to find a dog to blame this on, depose the dog and "dogs can't testify"! :floorlaugh:

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
And that, my friends, is the only reason this witness was on the stand. Her job was to answer the SA's questions with multiple possibilities only to put the seed of doubt in the jurors' minds.
When an expert doesn't appear confident in their opinion, it doesn't make the jury doubt the case; it makes them feel like this expert didn't know their azz from a hole in the wall.

My opinions...

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
This woman was knowledgeable and had she went to the scene in December to make her conclusions...I may listen to what she says....but she didn't.

ButForFortune
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
KC looked amused at "a dog buried it." She thinks that was a "win" for her side. Then she laughed out loud at the "special recess". She sure is full of S**t and giggles today, isn't she?

Aedrys
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Maybe it was RK's dog who buried the bone.

Yeah, that's it.

Darn, I thought DS would ask on cross, "Was it Gerus, or Bones?" Cause you know they want to blame one of those dogs for something bad in the worst way.

zoomom
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
More of my life I will never get back. Thank you JB.
hahahahaha!

Trident
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
To me, this is rather a strange thread with people who may or not, understand the finer points of plant growth, root growth. I feel, when any of us have her education and knowledge, then we can mock her - not until

liltexans
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Det. Yuri Melich is in hallway. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:39 AM

Steely Dan
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
I was thinking hubris.

I was thinking hummus.

grammieto5
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Why doesn't DS want to identify a photo for her question?

I was wondering about this also. I think because this witness never saw this photo????

Drama Queen
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
20 minute break is not enough for these poor jurors. And...HHJP had said they would not be there in July.
NOT! The alternates had better be prepared to become another essential juror.

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Well heck, Bill S assures me they DO have coyotes in Florida. Guess Prof. Umbridge schooled BOTH me and JA! :floorlaugh:

nachomama
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Coyotes? In Florida?! :floorlaugh:

Actually we have alot of Coyotes here in FL.. We have had em in our neighborhood..

babycat
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Coyotes? In Florida?! :floorlaugh:

Yes, they have them. Jeff Ashton was wrong.

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
Jose is not going to like this. Now he has to find a dog to blame this on, depose the dog and "dogs can't testify"! :floorlaugh:

Wait, the Anthony's have dogs....he'll use this & do we know whether RK or VT have dogs????hmmm

TakeNote
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
first it was zanny the nanny took caylee......then it was GA had Caylee....then it was RK that hid Caylee....and now a dog :eek:

PaperTigers
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
what was he laughing about? jp... there was a loud laugh coming from him just before the recess.

AnotherGladysKravitz
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
YouTube - &#x202a;AC/DC - Givin The Dog A Bone&#x202c;&rlm;

trigger
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
O/T Im outside painting my deck and listening to this...:floorlaugh:

OMG..Did I hear the Judge laughing to??

MissDiva
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
Can I just say that this morning has been hilarious?

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
That explains it all, Casey next defence the Dog did it .... Did they have a dog?

Two! Tinker and Tilly.

What have George and these dogs been up to with their friend Mr. Kronk with help from law enforcement staging photos/scenes and framing the defendant!?!?

RiverRat
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
A Dingo Buried The Baby...Give Me A BREAK!

Macushla
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
Just as an FYI...there are indeed coyotes in Central Florida and the Orlando area:

"ORLANDO, Fla. -- Several coyotes that were roaming near downtown Orlando have been captured, but the hunt is not over."


http://www.wftv.com/news/16709793/detail.html

quick, delete your post. We don't want the defense to find that out or they will add coyotes to the George-Kronk connection!

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:41 AM
Was this a coyote named Roy, perhaps? ;)

Kat
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
Okay, excellent witness. Well qualified, IMHO this witness was ended up benefiting the SA not the DT. But I'm really glad the DT called her.

Off topic: but I'm glad that JA has on his patient voice today. At the risk of having my hiney handed to me I'll just say that I have found that his distaste for the lead counsel bleeds over into this voice during the trial and IMHO that's a no-go in front of the jury. I don't care why he does it. I'm just glad he didn't today, it reflects much better on him as an attn. and the SA team. All JMHO.

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
To me, this is rather a strange thread with people who may or not, understand the finer points of plant growth, root growth. I feel, when any of us have her education and knowledge, then we can mock her - not until
I don't know the finer points, but I know bullsh-- when I smell it.

Jetaime
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
what was he laughing about? jp... there was a loud laugh coming from him just before the recess.

Im not really sure. HHJP asked the jurors if they'd like a 'special' recess...then laughter..

Softail
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
I wonder if she studied plants in Roswell? :waitasec:

STEADFAST
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
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Celt1997
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
Just as an FYI...there are indeed coyotes in Central Florida and the Orlando area:

"ORLANDO, Fla. -- Several coyotes that were roaming near downtown Orlando have been captured, but the hunt is not over."


http://www.wftv.com/news/16709793/detail.html

OMG, don't let the defense know. That story is from June of 2008! :eek:

Novice Seeker
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
And that, my friends, is the only reason this witness was on the stand. Her job was to answer the SA's questions with multiple possibilities only to put the seed of doubt in the jurors' minds.



Only if she comes across credible, IMO

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
IMO, SMART for Jeff Ashton to end on "a dog buried it."

But...no coyotes in Florida? Umm...really? I thought there were... http://www.stpete.org/wildlife/florida_coyote.asp

Yep. We have coyotes in Florida. But botanist Dr. Bock's theory is still borked. :)

sappysoul
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
Or A Dog Buried it ? OMG, she did not just say that!

The defense finally came up with a believable story. I think it is now logical to believe that Gerus and Bones are more involved in this case than we thought. They are obviously trying to set up the defendant.

TraceyLeigh
06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
Can I just say that this morning has been hilarious?

YES..YES YOU MAY!!! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::great::great::great:

PaperTigers
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
no one knows? what was jp laughing about right before the recess? such a loud laugh!

Trident
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
Well, I know they don't have coyotes in Florida. :floorlaugh:

Do you? There are coyotes in many major cities/states, whether you know it or not.

strach304
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
yes he did

I didn't hear him laugh or anything similar. He sounded surprised she would say that imo.

aprilraindance
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
Coyotes? In Florida?! :floorlaugh:

When we lived in the sunshine state the only Coyotes I ever saw were those less savory lounge lizard types I encountered while having out monthly girls night out adventures! well maybe they were squirrels.. dogs.. no wait I did say lizards ohhh yeah Coyotes they were defiantly ! ahaha this was a hoot!
*** All kidding aside****I DO recall a flyer we once received in a mailer that advertised Coyote removal in a not harmful humane way towards the animal...
I never ever heard of a neighbor with probs nor did I ever see one. Except in the aforementioned kidding way.

mydailyopinions
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
what was he laughing about? jp... there was a loud laugh coming from him just before the recess.

I think when HHJP asked if they needed the "special" break, All of the NON smokers shook their heads YES too!:floorlaugh:

concentric
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
Maybe a Dingo buried it?

liltexans
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
Yuri Melich back in hallway. Didn't see Krystal Holloway aka River Cruz.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:42 AM

Detective yuri Melich in hallway. Perhaps he will be next witness.
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 9:41 AM

Serjen
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
What happened to Rodriguez?

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
I wonder if she studied plants in Roswell? :waitasec:

Knockturn Alley. :innocent:

TraceyLeigh
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
:rocker:


I don't know the finer points, but I know bullsh-- when I smell it.

yllek
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
That explains it all, Casey next defence the Dog did it .... Did they have a dog?

The A's didn't have a dog, but remember Caylee told Cindy that Zanny had a dog! Hmmm....

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
I was wondering about this also. I think because this witness never saw this photo????

One thing is certain, IMO, is that the DT only gave their "experts" just enough information to get the answers they wanted....none of them know ALL the facts of this case in order to come up with their conslusions. I'm sure they don't want this to get back to the judge.

strach304
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
no one knows? what was jp laughing about right before the recess? such a loud laugh!

It was about a special break as he called it. Couldn't make out who he was talking to.

Aedrys
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
To me, this is rather a strange thread with people who may or not, understand the finer points of plant growth, root growth. I feel, when any of us have her education and knowledge, then we can mock her - not until

The problem is that she has all that education and knowledge, and it didn't count for squat. I could have looked at leaf litter and made an opinion. She was laughable. And a dog maybe buried a bone? This woman has no idea what she is supposed to be so educated and knowledgable about.

MissJames
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
I wanted to jump up and say "Yes! CSI Welch was just discussing the leaf measurements in her testimony before you! "
One would think that report would have been helpful to Dr. Bock

PaperTigers
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
Im not really sure. HHJP asked the jurors if they'd like a 'special' recess...then laughter..

LOL, thanks for the reply. JP is so goofy. Hehe

Sleuth5
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
Maybe a Dingo buried it?

:floorlaugh:

Z-sleuth
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
KC looked amused at "a dog buried it." She thinks that was a "win" for her side. Then she laughed out loud at the "special recess". She sure is full of S**t and giggles today, isn't she?

ICA probably had success with the "dog ate my homework" excuse, so she was able to relate to testimony designed to pull one over on the jury.

goldleaf
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
IMO, SMART for Jeff Ashton to end on "a dog buried it."

But...no coyotes in Florida? Umm...really? I thought there were... http://www.stpete.org/wildlife/florida_coyote.asp

South Florida native here. I have seen alligators, pythons, foxes, bears, Florida Panthers and many other critters here all my life - never seen a coyote nor do I recall any of my family members seeing one.

In fact, I was surprised to hear we have any coyotes in Florida!

AlwaysShocked
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
Tuned in late today. Dear God, someone who does not like her much is choosing the clothing for ICA! Everything she wears appears to be big, big, big.

IMO

MissJames
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
I wanted to jump up and say "Yes! CSI Welch was just discussing the leaf measurements in her testimony before you! "
One would think that report would have been helpful to Dr. Bock

Kat
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
And that, my friends, is the only reason this witness was on the stand. Her job was to answer the SA's questions with multiple possibilities only to put the seed of doubt in the jurors' minds.

I agree 100% that was the only reason she was called to the stand. She tried hard, but IMHO she didn't quite pull it off.

fifteen89
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
I was wondering about this also. I think because this witness never saw this photo????

Odd. The question was worth trying to re-phrase it, but not important enough to just identify the photo so it could be asked. ???

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
Do you? There are coyotes in many major cities/states, whether you know it or not.

I'm a country girl...your big city ways frighten and confuse me. ;)

tragco
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
I love WESH and Bill Scheaffer. They are talking about what instructions the jury will be given regarding witness testimony and believability. That helps so much when trying to decide what the jury will think.

strach304
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
The A's didn't have a dog, but remember Caylee told Cindy that Zanny had a dog! Hmmm....

The A's have two Yorkies.

Mamabear1963
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
I didn't hear him laugh or anything similar. He sounded surprised she would say that imo.

I think he was surprised...and I thought I heard a suppressed almost giggle...couldn't see his face cause I had a chat screen open...

SeaNymph
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
I have a great one-liner that involves LS, an objection and no evidence of lead counsel being in those woods, but I just better hold off on that one, huh?

Anywhoooo - so possession of Caylee's body goes something like -- George>Casey>George>Kronk>George>dog>coyote....>?Turtles?>Vasco....?

Talina
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
I'm willing to give Ashton a pass on the coyote comment. If it were me in his place, I'd have been speechless after hearing her say a dog could have buried the bone.

EGirl
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
The A's didn't have a dog, but remember Caylee told Cindy that Zanny had a dog! Hmmm....

I believe they had TWO dogs?

Dr.Fessel
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
Ashton should have asked Aunt Clara if he could see her doorknob collection.

Trident
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
I have to say this trial is making me sick, not only because of a dead Caylee, but because I see how many people are ready to mock people with learning and knowledge. It saddens me almost as much as Caylee's death.

pipkins
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Det. Yuri Melich is in hallway. #CaseyAnthony -jfell

mydailyopinions
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
The A's didn't have a dog, but remember Caylee told Cindy that Zanny had a dog! Hmmm....

The A's have 2 dogs, Tinker and Tilly

Mendara
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
To me, this is rather a strange thread with people who may or not, understand the finer points of plant growth, root growth. I feel, when any of us have her education and knowledge, then we can mock her - not until

OK not a problem.

Jetaime
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
What happened to Rodriguez?

They will have a frye hearing soon. We shall see.

QueenD
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Do coyotes bury bones???????

SailorMoon
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
So this is what...JA - 5, DT - 0? I lost count.


When do we get to penalty shots??? That's what I'm waiting on!!

linda505
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Hi All,
Only my second post - but I have been reading since the trial started and you all are all very interesting. In watching the last testimony, as someone who hasn't read all the background info, it raised a slight doubt with me. In fact, the most doubt raised was why was only one bone in four inch muck? Wouldn't more than one be in the muck? With only one bone in the muck it makes more sense to me that something unusual happened to that one bone. Also we DO have coyotes in Florida - have seen one myself in Sarasota county. lol - that being said - I do believe she is guilty - but thought the last testimony was the best the DT has had.

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
The A's didn't have a dog, but remember Caylee told Cindy that Zanny had a dog! Hmmm....


I thought the A's had two dogs. :waitasec:

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
I think when HHJP asked if they needed the "special" break, All of the NON smokers shook their heads YES too!:floorlaugh:

It sounded like someone asked for a "special recess" when HHJP said they would take a recess, and the judge started laughing at that & called a special but I don't know who it was, maybe Ashton....I know I would.

pipkins
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
WFTV saying ex gf of GA may take stand next

MaraSleuth
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Tuned in late today. Dear God, someone who does not like her much is choosing the clothing for ICA! Everything she wears appears to be big, big, big.

IMO


She looks like she has lost some weight the last month or so - like 10lbs. Stress?

Aedrys
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Yuri Melich back in hallway. Didn't see Krystal Holloway aka River Cruz.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:42 AM

Detective yuri Melich in hallway. Perhaps he will be next witness.
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 9:41 AM

Oh thank you Lord JESUS. Yuri Melich on the stand will restore my sanity!!!!

PaperTigers
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Girlfriend of GA up next?
How awkward will that be with GA sitting right there... next to his wife?

TakeNote
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
The A's didn't have a dog, but remember Caylee told Cindy that Zanny had a dog! Hmmm....

the A's did or does have two dog's i believe

Steely Dan
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Jose is not going to like this. Now he has to find a dog to blame this on, depose the dog and "dogs can't testify"! :floorlaugh:


A Dingo Buried The Baby...Give Me A BREAK!

You two are funny as hades!!! :floorlaugh:

cricketann
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
A tortoise is a vegetarian.

azscr4mbl3r
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
Coulda been a Dingo. jussayin

nativeSFL
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
Where's that door to my secret passage to the Sidebar? I can't seem to find it.

aprilraindance
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
The A's didn't have a dog, but remember Caylee told Cindy that Zanny had a dog! Hmmm....
The A's have 2 little Yorkshire Terriers, I thought.
Still what a far out thing to say ,,, whoooo eeee! A dog coulda burried it!

miss plum
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
Omg, wasn't there once a movie called 'Coyote Ugly Coping' featuring hot girls dancing in a bar?

gamom
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
juror #4 was really interested in and studied the photo of Caylee's skull with the leaves around it for the longest time out of all the jurors. (Per tweets). I wonder if this piece of evidence will be powerful for her since she said she spends a lot of time playing farmville, which in my understanding is a game about planting and growing things on a farm?

Dragonlady
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
The defense finally came up with a believable story. I think it is now logical to believe that Gerus and Bones are more involved in this case than we thought. They are obviously trying to set up the defendant.
Possible suspects:
GA
Zanny
RK
AH
JG
Gerus
Bones
Coyotes
Squirrels
But NOT Casey! :banghead:

Cubby
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
Just as an FYI...there are indeed coyotes in Central Florida and the Orlando area:

"ORLANDO, Fla. -- Several coyotes that were roaming near downtown Orlando have been captured, but the hunt is not over."


http://www.wftv.com/news/16709793/detail.html

TY

I think JA made a mistake when he mentioned there are no coyotes in that area. Coyotes are just about everywhere including urban area's.

Novice Seeker
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
To me, this is rather a strange thread with people who may or not, understand the finer points of plant growth, root growth. I feel, when any of us have her education and knowledge, then we can mock her - not until



It wasn't her professional insight or opinion that stripped away her "expertise" rather her manipulation of what is common sense which each of us have and use to form our opinion on this matter..In my opinion of course

Steft50
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
IMHO, the ONLY reason the DT has even put most of their "Experts" on the stand is so they can say "we put on a defense". These "Experts"have done nothing to bolster their case. CM was right, they "did not have to put on a defense", and they should not have.



It seems most of these so called expert witnesses have been called to try and verify part of what Baez said in his opening statement. That Caylees body was placed at the scene by the meter reader shortly before he called 911 to report finding the body. So far though much of what he's tried to show has been out of the realm of reality and just makes his efforts look rediculas.

Tipstaff
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
South Florida native here. I have seen alligators, pythons, foxes, bears, Florida Panthers and many other critters here all my life - never seen a coyote nor do I recall any of my family members seeing one.

In fact, I was surprised to hear we have any coyotes in Florida!

Also SF resident for 10 years on the Gulf side and just recently the newspapers have been talking about coyote attacks on small animals.

Steely Dan
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
Maybe Zanny is really Old Mother Hubbard?

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
I would think a dog (s) would have carried the bone elsewhere, then buried it. JMO

Kat
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
Hi All,
Only my second post - but I have been reading since the trial started and you all are all very interesting. In watching the last testimony, as someone who hasn't read all the background info, it raised a slight doubt with me. In fact, the most doubt raised was why was only one bone in four inch muck? Wouldn't more than one be in the muck? With only one bone in the muck it makes more sense to me that something unusual happened to that one bone. Also we DO have coyotes in Florida - have seen one myself in Sarasota county. lol - that being said - I do believe she is guilty - but thought the last testimony was the best the DT has had.

Welcome Linda!

Thank you for sharing your opinion!

mydailyopinions
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
I'm willing to give Ashton a pass on the coyote comment. If it were me in his place, I'd have been speechless after hearing her say a dog could have buried the bone.

I can't help but wonder if he said it out of snark. Trying to help the defense understand his pain of how nothing they are saying makes sense. So, if he stands up and tells people that they don't have coyotes in Fla, he gets the very same looks that the defense has the whole time, Me thinks he just wanted to know what it felt like for a change.:crazy:

Reality Orlando
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
Wait, the Anthony's have dogs....he'll use this & do we know whether RK or VT have dogs????hmmm

Bet they go after Zanny's "little white dog" next.

STEADFAST
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
To me, this is rather a strange thread with people who may or not, understand the finer points of plant growth, root growth. I feel, when any of us have her education and knowledge, then we can mock her - not until

She's saying things that are counter to what people with no special knowledge know. She's saying things against common sense. She also contradicted herself. This woman is selling her testimony, not her education and knowledge. Why should anyone respect that?

greycoupon
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
wftv just said George Anthony's girlfriend may testify next? ?

Are George and Cindy in court?

Is this his girlfriend like that Vasco gentleman was his bff? So maybe someone he once asked direction or what time is it on a random street years ago?

pcrum12
06-21-2011, 10:48 AM
I don't understand why everyone thinks that a dog possibly burying a bone is so outragious???? It is the SA theory that this was a trash dump site. Dogs do hunt out such site and dogs do bury bones. It is also the SA theory and evidence that the bones were scattered BY ANIMALS. What is so outragious?

TotallyObsessed
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
WFTV saying ex gf of GA may take stand next

THAT should be fun.

aeneas1
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
OMG Dr Bock states in response to a question by JA about a bone being found 4 inches under muck, that a dog may have buried that hip bone of little Caylee? Unbelievable!
and the dog would have most likely buried the skull as well had someone not taken it home to duct tape the jaw bone anatomically in place... yep, the dt's take on the sitch is making more and more reasonable sense each passing day...

strach304
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
Don't you just love how ICA sits there with her head down trying to appear somber and can't bear the morbid testimony and pics yet when JA told Dr. Bock she didn't get to ask him questions she laughs. Who does she think she's fooling?

Trident
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
The problem is that she has all that education and knowledge, and it didn't count for squat. I could have looked at leaf litter and made an opinion. She was laughable. And a dog maybe buried a bone? This woman has no idea what she is supposed to be so educated and knowledgable about.

I'm doing a study on this topic right now, and believe me, it is far more complicated than any of us realize. You know the old saying, everyone has an ...opinion

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
I have to say this trial is making me sick, not only because of a dead Caylee, but because I see how many people are ready to mock people with learning and knowledge. It saddens me almost as much as Caylee's death.

I approach EVERY witness with an open mind, Trident. Ask anyone here and they will tell you that.

But when a witness is handing me a big old load of horse muck, I'm going to call it horse muck.

YMMV

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
I have a great one-liner that involves LS, an objection and no evidence of lead counsel being in those woods, but I just better hold off on that one, huh?

Anywhoooo - so possession of Caylee's body goes something like -- George>Casey>George>Kronk>George>dog>coyote....>?Turtles?>Vasco....?

and Vasco was last because they couldn't get him to answer the phone with the number they had for him.....lol

TiaM
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
I am thankful that Dr. Bock's testimony did not take the hours it would have had Baez done the questioning. It appears that Sims, at least, has taken heed of HHJP's warnings.

This can all change, however, if Yuri Melich is called next. Both Baez and Mason have been itching to score points off of him for years.

My prediction. They get nowhere with Yuri. He's got their number.

Yellow Rose
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
I love WESH and Bill Scheaffer. They are talking about what instructions the jury will be given regarding witness testimony and believability. That helps so much when trying to decide what the jury will think.

My sentiments exactly. I really enjoy his commentary while events unfold. Sorta makes me feel like I stood in line for 5 hours for a ticket.....ummm, maybe not.

JustMeDeb
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
Thank god she didn't mention a dingo.

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
South Florida native here. I have seen alligators, pythons, foxes, bears, Florida Panthers and many other critters here all my life - never seen a coyote nor do I recall any of my family members seeing one.

In fact, I was surprised to hear we have any coyotes in Florida!

I live in the Ocala area and have seen coyotes myself.

Tulessa
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
WFTV saying ex gf of GA may take stand next

I can find out. BRB!

ETA Some time today.

MissJames
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
The defense finally came up with a believable story. I think it is now logical to believe that Gerus and Bones are more involved in this case than we thought. They are obviously trying to set up the defendant.

:floorlaugh:

Macushla
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
tweets saying Det. Melich is in the hallway

nativeSFL
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
Native Floridian here too. Coyotes are in our area and we are near Palm Beach along the coast.

joint-heir
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
I feel I have to give a little respect for this witness and the Jewish professor on account of their age. imo, they should not be used for these court settings with the opposite lawyer trying to tear down and confuse them. With much respect for their past ability to give expert opinions, I now think they should be given respect, but not called to the witness stand in a case such as this.

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
I don't understand why everyone thinks that a dog possibly burying a bone is so outragious???? It is the SA theory that this was a trash dump site. Dogs do hunt out such site and dogs do bury bones. It is also the SA theory and evidence that the bones were scattered BY ANIMALS. What is so outragious?

The skull was NOT buried. It had leaf litter piled up around the sides of it. Dogs do not do that, no matter how neat and tidy they may be.

JMO

LancelotLink
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
I don't know the finer points, but I know bullsh-- when I smell it.

I hear ya!

Drama Queen
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
I believe they had TWO dogs?

Yeppers...Tinker and Tilly
Cute names that don't have CMA attached to them. Although it could be Tinker Marie Anthony and Tilly Marie Anthony.

The Eunice Burns
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
Tuned in late today. Dear God, someone who does not like her much is choosing the clothing for ICA! Everything she wears appears to be big, big, big.

IMO

Maybe the DT wants KC to look like she has lost weight.

LambChop
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
Doesn't this open it up for the State to go over where each and every bone was found, how they were found and how the process of the bones were scattered by animals in direct portion to the areas where they were all found. The right arm bones being found all in one location, the left side of the body found in another location, the hole in the bag which clearly looks as if an animal has torn the bag open from the bottom and animal activity carrying the parts to different locations. That would require tissue holding it together and should be easy for the jury to understand. So I do not what defense can be thinking. jmo

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
And, I'm not mocking her, but I don't need to know the finer points of plant growth and root growth to tell that this doctor was confused, evasive, didn't know where the body was found, or that a bone was buried 4 inches deep. Dog buried it? Her testimony was useless for the defense. I don't need to know the finer points of meteorology to know that it's raining.

Gracelin
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
Also SF resident for 10 years on the Gulf side and just recently the newspapers have been talking about coyote attacks on small animals.

In the same county that the jury is from yet! lol

DIXIECAT
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
What do y'all think about the dog-burying-the-bone comment from Dr. Bock as the final word of "re-recross" by Ashton... I think that may have been the only point the doctor made that had, please forgive me, "legs."

(Dang. I just now read the previous comments by y'all... so I wasted a perfectly good pun.)

:crazy:

mydailyopinions
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
She looks like she has lost some weight the last month or so - like 10lbs. Stress?

Oh no, remember her mother wouldn't say she was thinner than before? Well, she has now chosen to grab larger shirts out of the closet to make it appear as if they are all falling off of her. How dare her mother ::crazy:

Beyond Belief
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
In 1983, coyotes were in 18 counties, mostly in the panhandle, but by 1990 they occupied at least 48 counties. In recent years, coyotes have been found in all 67 counties of Florida. Evidence suggests that population levels continue to increase in south Florida, where they recently arrived.
http://myfwc.com/media/1228800/CoyoteWhitePaperFinal.pdf

Softail
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
juror #4 was really interested in and studied the photo of Caylee's skull with the leaves around it for the longest time out of all the jurors. (Per tweets). I wonder if this piece of evidence will be powerful for her since she said she spends a lot of time playing farmville, which in my understanding is a game about planting and growing things on a farm?

:lol: OMG she just might buy it then. Those plants grow in hours!

The Farm
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
Ohhhhhhhh I do not want to miss Yuri and I have a doctors appointment!!!!

Velouria
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
that being said - I do believe she is guilty - but thought the last testimony was the best the DT has had.

respectfully snipped


Welcome linda! :seeya:

And if Dr. Bock and that crock is the best that they've got, then that's not saying much for the DT, is it? :)

Broderick
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
I have to say this trial is making me sick, not only because of a dead Caylee, but because I see how many people are ready to mock people with learning and knowledge. It saddens me almost as much as Caylee's death.

Wow. The equating is in the same realm for you with Caylee's death? That peculiar. I guess we are all different. I equate it more on the level of going through the drive thru and getting the wrong order or incomplete order. To each his own.

Harmony2
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
I bumped up the Forensic Botany thread if anyone is interested in reading it during the break... Look at the E-mail from Dr Vass about the plant material, found on the car, containing limonenes and pinenes from a swampy area...(post #138) way before the remains were found...


Forensic Botany - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

babycat
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
South Florida native here. I have seen alligators, pythons, foxes, bears, Florida Panthers and many other critters here all my life - never seen a coyote nor do I recall any of my family members seeing one.

In fact, I was surprised to hear we have any coyotes in Florida!


You do have them:) I lived there briefly, though in the panhandle, but it is pretty well documented that they are there, even in central FL. Though I doubt Jeff Ashton has to deal with them often:) haha.

Also, I doubt a coyote would come along and just bury one bone? IDK. Not really sure how that works.

2goldfish
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
Tuned in late today. Dear God, someone who does not like her much is choosing the clothing for ICA! Everything she wears appears to be big, big, big.

IMO


they do that to make her appear tiny, tiny, tiny. all a deliberate ploy to make her look lil n' precious.

CarrieBean
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
To me, this is rather a strange thread with people who may or not, understand the finer points of plant growth, root growth. I feel, when any of us have her education and knowledge, then we can mock her - not until

I have no doubt that this woman is a smart cookie. Her testimony appears so one sided that it makes me wonder what she may be getting out of it.

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
And, I'm not mocking her, but I don't need to know the finer points of plant growth and root growth to tell that this doctor was confused, evasive, didn't know where the body was found, or that a bone was buried 4 inches deep. Dog buried it? Her testimony was useless for the defense. I don't need to know the finer points of meteorology to know that it's raining.

So you're saying that you don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows? ;)

KathrynL
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
Do you? There are coyotes in many major cities/states, whether you know it or not.

I live in a residential area of Denver. I think it was last summer I was sitting on my porch, right after dusk, and a pair of coyotes trotted down the street. There were many coyotes in town and the suburbs that year.

However, I do not think a dog or coyote buried that hip bone. Nice try,though.

yllek
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
The A's have two Yorkies.

Thankd strach! I was just playing around... Just reminded of the early days when Cindy talked about Zanny being real because she Caylee mentioned a dog, or something to that effect...

This defense is going to the dogs, imo...

Oakley
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
MarkNeJame Mark NeJame
Defense forensic botanist wasn't "rooted" in reality. She "leaves" many things out. #vinniepolitan #caseyanthony #hlntv #hln #caylee

robotdog
06-21-2011, 10:52 AM
******** NEWSFLASH ************

The last witness tried to pick up her CHECK from the DT and there was a Brawl inthe PARKING LOT because the DT would not pay her.









this is just SARCASM - <------not true its a Joke

pjones
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
I would think a dog (s) would have carried the bone elsewhere, then buried it. JMO

My Jack Russell finds deer bones, etc. in the woods behind my house all the time. She brings them home for further perusal. I opened the front door once and discovered a deer skull, complete with 3-point rack, sitting on the welcome mat....

camcneishg
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
northeastern Floridian here and yes, we also have coyotes

LiveLaughLuv
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
One thing is certain, IMO, is that the DT only gave their "experts" just enough information to get the answers they wanted....none of them know ALL the facts of this case in order to come up with their conslusions. I'm sure they don't want this to get back to the judge.

Or, they gave their experts the accidental drowning theory, GA and RK moving and hiding Caylee's remains...but I'm betting, he didn't give them the 'true' facts of evidence found....how horrible..Why doesn't ICA see the possibility of her being doomed is inevitable...and probably might end up with that date with the executioner....to not take blame of her own actions and place it on innocent people, GA for one...RK the other will not go over well for her...JMHO

wundermommy76
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
TY

I think JA made a mistake when he mentioned there are no coyotes in that area. Coyotes are just about everywhere including urban area's.


I do not think the jury will even give that comment by JA a 2nd thought. All they were thinking leaving that courtroom was "A DOG buried it!?!?" And if you've never seen a coyote yourself or heard about coyotes being in your area, then it's perfectly understandable that he wouldn't think coyotes are in the Orlando area.

Hamsterdance
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
no one knows? what was jp laughing about right before the recess? such a loud laugh!


I think the honourable HHJP had been holding it in all morning!! :floorlaugh:

MaraSleuth
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
I don't understand why everyone thinks that a dog possibly burying a bone is so outragious???? It is the SA theory that this was a trash dump site. Dogs do hunt out such site and dogs do bury bones. It is also the SA theory and evidence that the bones were scattered BY ANIMALS. What is so outragious?

Not outrageous at all. If there were animal teeth marks on it - I'd possibly believe it. Not sure if we know anything about the hip bone remains. I know some bones were chewed up and the poor baby's foot was not found. :(

Reality Orlando
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
The A's didn't have a dog, but remember Caylee told Cindy that Zanny had a dog! Hmmm....

The A's have two yorkies.

pipkins
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
wftv saying that Crystal Rivers is in the hallway waiting - speculating that she is up next

(think thats her name?) ex girlfriend

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
Don't you just love how ICA sits there with her head down trying to appear somber and can't bear the morbid testimony and pics yet when JA told Dr. Bock she didn't get to ask him questions she laughs. Who does she think she's fooling?

I was thinking about this earlier today! I think HHJP should make her watch the entire thing, not just pick & choose. No, she's not kidding anybody, she thinks she's putting on a show for the jury. None of them are fooling the jury...I heard someone who is in the courtroom every day say a few days ago that when JB speaks to the jury, none of them speak/smile back...nothing. However, when HHJP or the SA do this, there's a smile of recognition.....I don't think they like any of them too much!

RiverRat
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
In my Expert GuessTimony...SWFL Born Here, Never Left Here, 46 Years Later...Never and I Repeat...Never have I heard, seen, or smelled anything having to do with a coyote!

kathyn2
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
Isn't it heresay for river cruz to testify as to what GA said?

tehcloser
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
The skull was NOT buried. It had leaf litter piled up around the sides of it. Dogs do not do that, no matter how neat and tidy they may be.

JMO

She didn't say the SKULL was buried by a dog.....she said the one that was found so deep in the muck could have possibly been buried by a dog. I don't think it was, but she is right and it's not that far fetched as bad as I hate to admit it. But that one point.......not nearly enough, :floorlaugh:

Novice Seeker
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
What happened to Rodriguez?


IIRC, JA informed the court this morning about issues regarding what this Dr. would be testifying about? Even this expert witness was unaware of what Baez was claiming he was an expert for?

darnudes
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
I have to say this trial is making me sick, not only because of a dead Caylee, but because I see how many people are ready to mock people with learning and knowledge. It saddens me almost as much as Caylee's death.

I'm not going to mock her education or knowledge but her testimony was a farce.

concentric
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
Bet they go after Zanny's "little white dog" next.

What about Toto too?

TotallyObsessed
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
the defense finally came up with a believable story. I think it is now logical to believe that gerus and bones are more involved in this case than we thought. They are obviously trying to set up the defendant.

post of the day!

pinkfly
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
I live in the Ocala area and have seen coyotes myself.

Jane D I live in Ocala too. Actually closer to Belleview but Ocala address. So does Dorothy Simms. Hahaha sorry. Yes, I hear coyotes at night when they are yip yip yipping to feed their kids.

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
So you're saying that you don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows? ;)
I lick my thumb and hold it up. Cuts out the middle man.

GetSmart
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
Well, I know they don't have coyotes in Florida. :floorlaugh:

We do have them ...but we know they didn't bury and bones on Suburban Drive in Orlando..

http://www.stpete.org/wildlife/florida_coyote.asp
Coyotes are found throughout the State of Florida, including Pinellas County. They have been in the state since the 1970's.

GiantPickle
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
can someone tell me if GA has ever actually claimed this chick was his GF at one point or does he flat out deny it? Or I guess there's the third option of 'no comment'

anyone?

USARDOG
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
I don't know the finer points, but I know bullsh-- when I smell it.


South Florida native here. I have seen alligators, pythons, foxes, bears, Florida Panthers and many other critters here all my life - never seen a coyote nor do I recall any of my family members seeing one.

In fact, I was surprised to hear we have any coyotes in Florida!and Hogs, lets not forget the hogs! But I also have never seen a Coyote in Fl either. Am seeing plenty in TX now, but never saw one in FL.

Her whole testimony reminded me of, "well is it possible space aliens took Caylee's body for exam for some period before it was found in the woods." Yes, that is possible, but is it believable... NO!!

Velouria
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
they do that to make her appear tiny, tiny, tiny. all a deliberate ploy to make her look lil n' precious.

I either read or heard on HLN that part of Casey's wardrobe has come from Cindy Anthony's hand-me-downs. That could be one reason they're too big.

MaraSleuth
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
Oh no, remember her mother wouldn't say she was thinner than before? Well, she has now chosen to grab larger shirts out of the closet to make it appear as if they are all falling off of her. How dare her mother ::crazy:

But that was a month ago - she looks thinner to me.

CarrieBean
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
I don't understand why everyone thinks that a dog possibly burying a bone is so outragious???? It is the SA theory that this was a trash dump site. Dogs do hunt out such site and dogs do bury bones. It is also the SA theory and evidence that the bones were scattered BY ANIMALS. What is so outragious?

The difference between a buried item and one settled in "muck" would be fairly obvious, I would think.

fifteen89
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
Why weren't we sent to the sidebar thread?

2door73chevy
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by pipkins
WFTV saying ex gf of GA may take stand next

THAT should be fun.
__________________


Poor GA!

liltexans
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
They sit directly in front of her. they have full view. “@MichelleKidman Does the Jury ever see Casey laughing? She sure does laugh a lot."
by jimlichtenstein via twitter at 9:55 AM

Both Dr Eicklenboom's are in hallway. Richard and Selma.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:53 AM

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
they do that to make her appear tiny, tiny, tiny. all a deliberate ploy to make her look lil n' precious.

It's not working!
:)

Mendara
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
I think the issues we are seeing is the defense is bringing in many excuses to why things seem to point to KC. we have to assume a dog buried a bone rather than the bones have been there for several months. We have to assume that someone else placed the tape over the bones because that person wanted to keep the jaw in place to make this look like a crime? or for fun? Rather than believe that KC placed the tape from her home over the mouth of her child three times to kill her.

We are then asked to believe that coffin flies were attracted to a few ounces of tabacco spit in a closed container at the body dump, rather than the actual dead body.

We are to believe that trash in the trunk of KC's car although containing NO FOOD was the cause of maggots, flies and a decomp smell, rather than the body actually being in the trunk at some point leaving behind all of these things including a smell that could still be picked up 2 years after the trash was removed and trunk liner.

We are asked to believe that Caylee drowned in her pool and that no one attempted CPR or called authorities because both GA and KC were sure Caylee was dead and were so afraid of Cindy Anthony they both decided it would be better to let her body rot someplace and pretend like nothing happened. RATHER than believe that KC was the last to be seen with a live Caylee, that she only knows what happened, that her car has evidence of a dead caylee in it, that she alone dumped the body and she alone worked to cover it up.

We are to believe that a stranger somehow figured out where Caylee's body was first decomposing and stole the body, kept it with him until a reward was announced then set up the tape and resting place in the woods so that he could become rich and famous (which he has not to this day become either).

We are to believe that a girl who claims she was horridly molested by her father decided to protect him, cover up the drowning for 3 years, sit in jail and continue to follow his lead even when she was out on bond and able to tell what happened and face a lesser charge if any and have him arrested for molestation as well.

I can go on and on - the defense is asking the jury to REACH for the bizarre rather than common sense and the evidence. I have seen NO REASONABLE DOUBT.

egnarts
06-21-2011, 10:57 AM
Is HHJP phoning a friend for JB?!

yllek
06-21-2011, 10:57 AM
Sorry friends, I was just playing about the A's not having dogs and Zanny having a dog.

Bad joke and not well-worded. Yes, the A's have 2 Yorkies. Sorry for the interruption...

scotslass
06-21-2011, 10:57 AM
My thoughts nice lady, but the DT needed to find someone else to render an opinion in this case. After the depo's .I thought for sure they would not call this witness and look for someone else to refute Dr Hall.

The testimony today went better than i expected ( the depo's were hellish) but still did nothing for the DT.

grammieto5
06-21-2011, 10:57 AM
Although I did laugh a few times while she was speaking I thought this witness was very easy to listen to. Someone further up posted about the song "The Gambler" I agree 100%

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 10:57 AM
Born and raised in Broward County. Many many times camping in the Glades and down in the Keys - yes there are coyotes - but far and few between - the other predators take care of them in quick fashion.

TotallyObsessed
06-21-2011, 10:57 AM
BOMBSHELL TONIGHT - Another new defense witness added to witness list.

MR. JACK RUSSELL

STEADFAST
06-21-2011, 10:57 AM
Hi All,
Only my second post - but I have been reading since the trial started and you all are all very interesting. In watching the last testimony, as someone who hasn't read all the background info, it raised a slight doubt with me. In fact, the most doubt raised was why was only one bone in four inch muck? Wouldn't more than one be in the muck? With only one bone in the muck it makes more sense to me that something unusual happened to that one bone. Also we DO have coyotes in Florida - have seen one myself in Sarasota county. lol - that being said - I do believe she is guilty - but thought the last testimony was the best the DT has had.

Her bones were all over the place. He was giving that one as an example. The place was a swampy area and was actually under water for a while.

On the other hand, that one could have been buried by an animal. The roots growing into bone and into the canvas laundry bag are the facts that convince me the body had been there longer. Also, as Ashton pointed out, the skull was in an accumulation of leaves that indicate a much longer time, too.

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:58 AM
She didn't say the SKULL was buried by a dog.....she said the one that was found so deep in the muck could have possibly been buried by a dog. I don't think it was, but she is right and it's not that far fetched as bad as I hate to admit it. But that one point.......not nearly enough, :floorlaugh:

See? This must have been at the point where I was tuning her out. :floorlaugh:

Thanks for clarifying. :)

Serjen
06-21-2011, 10:58 AM
I have to say this trial is making me sick, not only because of a dead Caylee, but because I see how many people are ready to mock people with learning and knowledge. It saddens me almost as much as Caylee's death.

People are NOT mocking their knowledge or education. People are mocking the FACT that it is clear they are evasive or bending the truth in order to ensure they help the Defense. State witnesses were a lot more forthcoming and didn't hem and haw during cross, making them appear questionable. JB often told State witnesses to answer "yes or no" and they would, while Defense witnesses don't simply answer yes or no, they have to say things like "Well it could also have happened xyz". This has nothing to do with their education. Personally I don't understand why these learned and educated people that are held in high esteem are agreeing to help the defense by omitting details or making random assumptions not based on fact. All of DT witnesses have admitted that the information they got on this cased is based solely on what they were told by Defense and basically nothing else.
For an expert witness to come to the stand and say she examined where she THINKS the recovery site is TWO MONTHS LATER and make any conclusion about it, is ridiculous. Regardless of how many years of schooling she has.

And this is ALL JUST MY OPINION.

LancelotLink
06-21-2011, 10:58 AM
BOMBSHELL TONIGHT - Another new defense witness added to witness list.

MR. JACK RUSSELL

:floorlaugh: Too funny!!!!!

4realtho
06-21-2011, 10:58 AM
I approach EVERY witness with an open mind, Trident. Ask anyone here and they will tell you that.

But when a witness is handing me a big old load of horse muck, I'm going to call it horse muck.

YMMV

Exactly. I'm sorry but why do people want you to avoid the obvious? If we did that, then we would all think ICA was innocent. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't care what the DT's throws my way, I'm going to stay focused...It is what it is.

DesSands
06-21-2011, 10:58 AM
Because George hit their relatives with a car????!!!????? :waitasec:

Yes I do remember how angry they were. :giggle:

Jetaime
06-21-2011, 10:59 AM
I'm doing a study on this topic right now, and believe me, it is far more complicated than any of us realize. You know the old saying, everyone has an ...opinion

Oh, I'm sure it is complicated. I certainly couldn't do it. In my opinion, she came across as biased and unbelievable.

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 10:59 AM
:lol: OMG she just might buy it then. Those plants grow in hours!

Surely she wouldn't base her opinion by a game....of course, that would fit with this whole thing, wouldn't it?

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 10:59 AM
BOMBSHELL TONIGHT - Another new defense witness added to witness list.

MR. JACK RUSSELL

Stop it! :floorlaugh:

tehcloser
06-21-2011, 10:59 AM
See? This must have been at the point where I was tuning her out. :floorlaugh:

Thanks for clarifying. :)

I figured you were kitteh' tending...........:floorlaugh:

Kat
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
Is the jury still there?

Marple
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
I know we have coyotes in central FL but I don't believe they're roaming around Suburban Drive. Unless it's Wiley Coyote.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
A tortoise is a vegetarian.


Finally, someone acknowledges my pain!

distracted 1976
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
Baez back in the principals office!

I HEART HHJP!

Kat
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
JP talking about eikenbloom

pcrum12
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
The skull was NOT buried. It had leaf litter piled up around the sides of it. Dogs do not do that, no matter how neat and tidy they may be.

JMO

I didn't say the skull was buried by the dog. Who's to say the dog or dogs or coyotes or other animals that may have buried the hip bone just happened to pick just the hip bone. As far as the leaf litter, as per the witness it is possible the leaf litter as well as wet humid conditions, winds, manipulation of the evidence when the skull was removed by the crime scene personnel could have justified the position and evidence of the skull. Per the witness, it's possible just as it's possible an animal buried the hip bone. JMO

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
Did HHJP just say he is going to give sanctions

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
Exactly. I'm sorry but why do people want you to avoid the obvious? If we did that, then we would all think ICA was innocent. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't care what the DT's throws my way, I'm going to stay focused...It is what it is.

Well, I haven't yet determined her guilt or innocence. But I understand your point. :)

Marple
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
KC looks worried about this witness. She's taking deep breaths.

Drama Queen
06-21-2011, 11:01 AM
I either read or heard on HLN that part of Casey's wardrobe has come from Cindy Anthony's hand-me-downs. That could be one reason they're too big.

The idea is to make ICA appear as Dorothy from the Wizard of OZ...
Dorothy the meak and small.
ICA the kind and tiny.
MOO

QueenD
06-21-2011, 11:01 AM
Before he imposing santions?

babycat
06-21-2011, 11:01 AM
I'm a country girl...your big city ways frighten and confuse me. ;)


:floorlaugh:

This made me smile:) Lots of people do not know about the coyotes there. Including the intelligent and capable Jeff Ashton. No worries!

fifteen89
06-21-2011, 11:01 AM
So the instruction says because he didn't turn in his report on time, the jury can say 'we don't believe the witness' ?? Shouldn't the penalty be against JB, not the witness?

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 11:01 AM
I know we have coyotes in central FL but I don't believe they're roaming around Suburban Drive. Unless it's Wiley Coyote.

We had one end up in a drink cooler in a Quiznos in downtown Chicago not too long ago..

Marple
06-21-2011, 11:01 AM
Eikenbloom July 2010, retained by the Defense.

Blue Ridge
06-21-2011, 11:02 AM
Eiklenboom being questioned on stand by Judge P....jury not present.

Dragonlady
06-21-2011, 11:02 AM
I have lived in central Florida almost my entire life and I do not remember ever seeing or hearing about coyotes running around burying bones, but it's possible that they are out there running amok in our nice cookie cutter overbuilt subdivisions. :dunno:

shellsbells
06-21-2011, 11:02 AM
Whoa, the Eikenblooms weren't told to write a report.

aprilraindance
06-21-2011, 11:02 AM
I am NOT looking forward to listening to "River Cruize" I think she intentionally interjected herself into the A's life for her own twisted drama needs fix and GA fell for a kind word in a stormy darker than dark time in his life. I feel this way from reading her depo's . She said "Um" almost every other word. This made me feel her testimony was kind of unreliable/unbelievable . Also she stated that she could tell that GA was describing HER when he gave an account of what Zanny supposedly looked like.. That just struck me as way odd!

Kat
06-21-2011, 11:02 AM
Ohhhhhhh he was not told he had to write a report.

fifteen89
06-21-2011, 11:02 AM
If he wasn't told to write a report, why not penalize JB?

Tulessa
06-21-2011, 11:03 AM
I know we have coyotes in central FL but I don't believe they're roaming around Suburban Drive. Unless it's Wiley Coyote.

OMG! :floorlaugh:

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 11:03 AM
Uh oh...JB in trouble again. I think serious trouble.

Scamperoo
06-21-2011, 11:03 AM
I have to say this trial is making me sick, not only because of a dead Caylee, but because I see how many people are ready to mock people with learning and knowledge. It saddens me almost as much as Caylee's death.

That these experts with years invested in their education, are willing to obfuscate facts, misdirect and sometimes outright lie for filthy lucre is the mockery in this trial.

This is what is making me sick, professional experts able to skew the facts to suit a lackluster defense.

Quiche
06-21-2011, 11:03 AM
Whoa, the Eikenblooms weren't told to write a report.

Holy heck, that's a bombshell. :eek:

Liz
06-21-2011, 11:03 AM
After the Judge gets done questioning Dr. E, me thinks Baez is going to be in deep, deep uhhh humus.

JusticeSeeker1960
06-21-2011, 11:03 AM
Eikenbloom July 2010, retained by the Defense.
During the desperation phase.....February was a very eventful month for JB also, that's when he spoke to TL again via the phone & came up with the "molestation" charges against GA. Unbelieveable!

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 11:03 AM
I don't understand why everyone thinks that a dog possibly burying a bone is so outragious???? It is the SA theory that this was a trash dump site. Dogs do hunt out such site and dogs do bury bones. It is also the SA theory and evidence that the bones were scattered BY ANIMALS. What is so outragious?

Have you ever fed your dogs raw meat, bone and all? If so, what was left? My dogs ate and digested bone and all.

ETA: Don't feed your dogs cooked bones.

bobloblaw
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
IIRC River Cruze's sister was in jail with ICA and Robyn and Maya. Correct?

Kat
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
Oh snap. He just stated he wasn't informed YIKES.

Baez. Baez.Baez. :no:

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
deleted 'cause I was wrong. :) It was someone else I was thinking of that testified he'd not been informed of the court order.

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
oh gawd I'm going to be late for work again I have to see this

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
I didn't say the skull was buried by the dog. Who's to say the dog or dogs or coyotes or other animals that may have buried the hip bone just happened to pick just the hip bone. As far as the leaf litter, as per the witness it is possible the leaf litter as well as wet humid conditions, winds, manipulation of the evidence when the skull was removed by the crime scene personnel could have justified the position and evidence of the skull. Per the witness, it's possible just as it's possible an animal buried the hip bone. JMO
Possibly, maybe, it could have, I don't know, dog ate my homework.

It's all the defense has. Obfuscation and hand-waving doesn't make an expert witness, or the defense's case more reasonable.

JSR
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
This is a guaranteed ineffective counsel appeal.

I can't believe JB

Marple
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
Dr E is from the Netherlands. Says he was unaware that he needed to give a written report about his findings. Says the defense never asked him to do this.

HotButteredGrits
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
Ruh roh. Baez is in trouble.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
Uh oh...JB in trouble again. I think serious trouble.

JB has been hanging out with criminals too long -

ella971
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
WoW!!!

fifteen89
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
Does Casey understand this at all????

liltexans
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
Eikelenboom says he wasn't advised he needed to prepare report. He says he and the defense communicated via phone email and Skype. #Casey
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 10:04 AM

QueenD
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
If he wasn't told to write a report, why not penalize JB?

I think he is fixing to be.

pjmale
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
JB bye bye!!!

cityslick
06-21-2011, 11:05 AM
Someone is going to get it I think.

Drama Queen
06-21-2011, 11:05 AM
This is not going to go down well for the DT and especially JB.
He is going to end up in bad shape after all of this is over. Maybe he and ICA can share a cell.