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beach
06-11-2011, 10:39 PM
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beach
06-13-2011, 08:41 AM
I'm going to try to clarify a few things so hopefully we are a little clearer about what is okay to post in this thread and what is to be saved for Sidebar. Hope this helps. :)

Re: posting Tweets - Previously we have requested that all tweets be restricted from this thread and posted in the Twitter thread. Posting single tweets from anyone inside the courroom that can shed light on what we are unable to see via our monitors are fine to post here. (note: repetitive, multiple posts of the same tweet will be removed at mod discretion so they do not clog up the thread.) Most all of these will be from MSM reporters - I really can't think of any exceptions off of the top of my head. If they can tell us how jurors are reacting, that is huge, relevant info and we need to see it here. I ask that those of you who do post tweets still include them in the Twitter thread because we have many members who log in for a quick update and depend solely on that thread.


Re: posting about the demeanor of the defendant or witnesses -
This is the deal:
It is perfectly fine to post FACTS & OBSERVATIONS about their demeanor. (e.g., Casey is emotionless; Casey is giggling while listening to this testimony, etc...)

It is the "Casey's blouse is so low cut she must be trying to get the attention of Juror #11, the George Clooney look-a-like"; "eyebrows and hair" ('nuff said :aktion1:). Bottom line, if it doesn't add anything to understanding what is going on during TRIAL, then save these comments and post them in the Sidebar. Express those sentiments there. (Remember! TOS and Rules of Etiquette still apply in Sidebar: no namecalling, bashing and derogatory remarks simply intended to be snarky.)


Okay, I hope that helps clarify a few things.

Nana46
06-21-2011, 08:36 AM
Hi everyone...thought he ws starting at 830???

ohiogirl
06-21-2011, 08:36 AM
Good morning all.

mombomb
06-21-2011, 08:36 AM
It's 8:34 - I saw HHJBP earlier without his robes on. Thought they were starting promptly at 8:30 Don't see ICA either. LDB there.

TortillaChip
06-21-2011, 08:36 AM
JA walking by and shaking his head, hope that is not a bad sign.

Bon
06-21-2011, 08:37 AM
Morning everyone! :)

RammerJammer
06-21-2011, 08:38 AM
Morning! Let's get the show on the road!

Bon
06-21-2011, 08:38 AM
JA walking by and shaking his head, hope that is not a bad sign.

What link are you watching? :)

logicalgirl
06-21-2011, 08:38 AM
Morning all - Love LDB's suit jacket this morning - very smart looking on her!
And Happy first Day of Summer!

RammerJammer
06-21-2011, 08:39 AM
LDB looks pretty today in green!

Bon
06-21-2011, 08:39 AM
10 miutes late already? :(

TortillaChip
06-21-2011, 08:39 AM
I like that they bring out ICA at the last moment lately, and zip her back in real fast. I recall that JB and DA's were to be there by at least 8:30am to tend to any matters. I have not JB yet.

Bon
06-21-2011, 08:39 AM
LDB looks pretty today in green!

What link are you watching? :)

Mamabear1963
06-21-2011, 08:40 AM
Morning...had a rough night and can barely keep my eyes open...so am resting and watching....

Nana46
06-21-2011, 08:40 AM
Like someone posted on another day...I just saw his Honor without his robe and I felt like I saw him nude....I looked away and then back,lol

pjmale
06-21-2011, 08:40 AM
10 miutes late already? :(

Court is starting at 9:00. The lawyers had to be in court at 8:30.

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 08:41 AM
Shuffling on over.

TortillaChip
06-21-2011, 08:41 AM
What link are you watching? :)

Cnn on the action, and caseycam wftv, I watch mostly the cnn live action, good sound. But the way I watch it is not synchronized.

TiaM
06-21-2011, 08:41 AM
If I'm not mistaken, HHJP said that the attorneys had to BE there by 8:30 - not that they were bringing the jury in.

Although the VT motion is suppoesdly being heard by HHJP at 8:30, so I wonder where that is being heard. In 23 or another courtroom? In the judges chambers?

FaerieB
06-21-2011, 08:41 AM
It was my understanding that HHJP ruled that all attorneys must be present at 8:30, so they could address anything that needed to be addressed and get the trial started promptly by 9:00 for the jury. :twocents:

Just K
06-21-2011, 08:42 AM
Late Start, Again with ALL lawyers going through the door.

FaerieB
06-21-2011, 08:42 AM
All lawyers into HHJP's chambers.

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 08:42 AM
Ok all the DT including Slaubaugh, Sims, and Fryer - and JB and CM just went through the door that ICA usually comes out of.

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 08:42 AM
The attorneys are going into the back room

mombomb
06-21-2011, 08:42 AM
Now the entire defense team going in the back room! What's up?

ahi
06-21-2011, 08:43 AM
Holy ^%#*

what are they going back there for???

logicalgirl
06-21-2011, 08:43 AM
What link are you watching? :)

You didn't ask me but www.wesh.com casey anthony extended coverage interactive so I can see the ica cam at the same time as the trial.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 08:43 AM
Hi everyone...thought he ws starting at 830???

Only if there is an issue to be discussed beforehand like the motion filed yesterday that is why HJBP told the attorney's to be there by 8:30am to take care of it before it's time to bring the jury in. Court still starts at 9:00am.

Fluffy Puppy
06-21-2011, 08:44 AM
The entire defense table, all half dozen or so of them, just went back into the hallway. Think something is up?

logicalgirl
06-21-2011, 08:44 AM
Tweets are saying both sides just filed back to talk to the judge outside of the courtroom

Mohabi
06-21-2011, 08:44 AM
You didn't ask me but www.wesh.com casey anthony extended coverage interactive so I can see the ica cam at the same time as the trial.

I usually do the same, but today I can't find the CaseyCam link.

4realtho
06-21-2011, 08:44 AM
Good morning. I hope we don't run into any snags today.

Moe
06-21-2011, 08:45 AM
Morning All, let's hope for no more drama today.

pjmale
06-21-2011, 08:45 AM
Mark Lippman says today is going to be an ugly day in court.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 08:45 AM
Holy ^%#*

what are they going back there for???

They do this often.

minazoe
06-21-2011, 08:45 AM
what in the love of my mother is going on?

TiaM
06-21-2011, 08:45 AM
Late Start, Again with ALL lawyers going through the door.

It's NOT a late start - yet.

They are reporting at 8:30 to get business out of the way. Court begins at 9:00

The VT motion is being discussed is my bet.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 08:46 AM
I usually do the same, but today I can't find the CaseyCam link.

http://media2.myfoxorlando.com/live/casey_cam_shell.html

Mamabear1963
06-21-2011, 08:46 AM
Good morning. I hope we don't run into any snags today.
This trial has more snags then cheap nylons

Tulessa
06-21-2011, 08:46 AM
Good morning again all you beautiful people! Justice for Caylee!



ETA links in my siggy!

Phoebeb
06-21-2011, 08:46 AM
You didn't ask me but www.wesh.com casey anthony extended coverage interactive so I can see the ica cam at the same time as the trial.

I like WESH too- They also have the streaming tweets from the courtroom

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 08:46 AM
Bill S talking about Dr.R having lied under oath about being co-founder of Body Farm. :floorlaugh:

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
ok DT just all came out. ICA just came in the courtroom

Talina
06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
Woot! Anyone else listening to WFTV live commentary? They spoke with the Univ of Tenn and they said Dr.Rodgriquez was NOT a co-founder of the body farm and they are not happy that he made that claim in the Casey Anthony trial.

ahi
06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
It was just DT going back ...and talking to ICA...according to WESH

mombomb
06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
CM just came back out and there she is - ICA in light blue or lavender tip with her sweater over the top. All babysitters in place.

ohiogirl
06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
Mark Lippman says today is going to be an ugly day in court.

I saw that JB has subpoenaed (sp?) C Holloway. That should be interesting.:seeya:

barrysgirl
06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
IMO, every time ICA has come in wearing a sweater or something with a jacket, it's when they do testimony that requires her to cry, fold up in her self and "appear" small and pitiful.

I hope I'm not right, today.

logicalgirl
06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
I usually do the same, but today I can't find the CaseyCam link.

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

just picked this off of my browser as ICA walked in.

Celesta
06-21-2011, 08:48 AM
Morning all, Thanks for keeping me up to speed yesterday!! Lets hope today runs a bit better :banghead:

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 08:48 AM
All Rise!

salvarenga
06-21-2011, 08:48 AM
KBelichWFTV Krystal holloway, george's alleged mistress and defense botanist Dr. Jane Bock are here

BetteDavisEyes
06-21-2011, 08:48 AM
Casey not looking chipper this morning.

FaerieB
06-21-2011, 08:48 AM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Krystal holloway, george's alleged mistress and defense botanist Dr. Jane Bock are here

Tulessa
06-21-2011, 08:48 AM
bill s talking about dr.r having lied under oath about being co-founder of body farm. :floorlaugh:

bam! :D

Bon
06-21-2011, 08:48 AM
You didn't ask me but www.wesh.com casey anthony extended coverage interactive so I can see the ica cam at the same time as the trial.


Thank you! :)

Glassgirl
06-21-2011, 08:48 AM
Woot! Anyone else listening to WFTV live commentary? They spoke with the Univ of Tenn and they said Dr.Rodgriquez was NOT a co-founder of the body farm and they are not happy that he made that claim in the Casey Anthony trial.

I hope the prosecution finds out about this!!!!

Florida Native
06-21-2011, 08:49 AM
Mark Lippman says today is going to be an ugly day in court.

KBelich says GA's former alleged girlfriend in hall as well as the Botanist.

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 08:50 AM
Bill S talking about Dr.R having lied under oath about being co-founder of Body Farm. :floorlaugh:

Bill S stated he was on the phone with the Body Farm for 20 mins yesterday and was told Dr. R was not a co-founder.

Just K
06-21-2011, 08:50 AM
Fidgety & angry behavior on the DT and ICA has on the big sweater ready to cry and cocoon herself.

Moe
06-21-2011, 08:50 AM
KBelich says GA's former alleged girlfriend in hall as well as the Botanist.
Oh my, this is going to be ugly.

Solomisskitty
06-21-2011, 08:50 AM
So much for no drama...

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 08:51 AM
Eikenbloom in his depo is saying that dna can be found in decomposition fluid which is only his opinion.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 08:52 AM
Try to get an extra minute or two of sleep and look what happens. DNA in decomp

21merc7
06-21-2011, 08:52 AM
JA just said Eikenbloom said he did not form some of his opinions until Saturday afternoon!!!

Ms.Heather
06-21-2011, 08:52 AM
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/48HoursOnlyCaseyKnowsApril162011cropped.jpg

GOOD MORNING ALL!!!

Steely Dan
06-21-2011, 08:53 AM
I'm guessing JB slips this in somehow if HHJBP rules this is inadmissable. JMO

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 08:53 AM
8:52 Jeff...speed it up.

newsjunkie
06-21-2011, 08:53 AM
I usually do the same, but today I can't find the CaseyCam link.

I watch Casey here: http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

Bon
06-21-2011, 08:53 AM
KBelich says GA's former alleged girlfriend in hall as well as the Botanist.

Ouch, she is going to crucify him :(

2goldfish
06-21-2011, 08:53 AM
I bet poor JA hasnt slept in three days :|

Liz
06-21-2011, 08:53 AM
CFNews13Casey

Ashton says they are not asking this witness not be allowed to testify but he should have been in the Frye hearings. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
about a minute ago via Twitter for iPad

ami
06-21-2011, 08:54 AM
Anecdotal DNA evidence. Heh.

mitzi
06-21-2011, 08:54 AM
Fidgety & angry behavior on the DT and ICA has on the big sweater ready to cry and cocoon herself.

She's already in full jaw-jut-out mode! Me thinks she is pi$$ed off.

Laynee
06-21-2011, 08:54 AM
morning all, finally a day off from work and I can be here most of the day! One day closer to Justice for Caylee! Off we go!

TexasDoll
06-21-2011, 08:54 AM
#caseyanothonytrial Woman of many aliases River Cruz in hall. Claimed George told her Caylee death was ax that snowballed out of control.
by bobkealing via twitter at 7:53 AM

ExpectingUnicorns
06-21-2011, 08:54 AM
Pouting, sniffing, head bobbing and chest heaving at the defense table.

barrysgirl
06-21-2011, 08:55 AM
Given the support Dr. Bass (who started the body farm) has given in the media to Dr. Vass and Dr. Haskell, JA should call him in rebuttal to Dr. Rodriguez, IMO.

Shyla
06-21-2011, 08:55 AM
Baez speak up!!!

Kentjbkent
06-21-2011, 08:55 AM
I plan on being a good girl today so think NOW is an appropriate time to take a potty break......

Let me know when Baez is done!!!

momtective
06-21-2011, 08:55 AM
OMG Jose' up....and if he subjects the court to another 20 min. dissertation, I think HHJP will probably blow a gasket!

SleuthyMama
06-21-2011, 08:56 AM
Oh my, this is going to be ugly.

My thoughts, exactly, Moe. I have a bad feeling about today....

noelle91176
06-21-2011, 08:56 AM
Good morning all. Anyone know any good links with decent sound? No cable here :banghead: Can't watch live other than on this laptop.

Liz
06-21-2011, 08:56 AM
Has anyone else noticed that JB rarely refers to HHJP as "Your Honor" ... but rather "sir" instead? :rolleyes: Decorum, BAEZZZZZ!

Peliman
06-21-2011, 08:56 AM
Here we go :\ I'm forming the opinion JB has never met a microphone he didn't like. Waiting to see how long he rambles on this morning.

TotallyObsessed
06-21-2011, 08:56 AM
WOW - so much can happen in the length of time it takes me to drive to work. Short summary? I'll start reading

Steely Dan
06-21-2011, 08:56 AM
#caseyanothonytrial Woman of many aliases River Cruz in hall. Claimed George told her Caylee death was ax that snowballed out of control.
by bobkealing via twitter at 8:53 AM

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 08:56 AM
So here is the part where Jose tells us all why he doesn't have to play well with others

Oakley
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
State wants Chief Judge to exclude some dna testimony because of discovery violations and wants jury to know

LolaMoon08
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
Jose's new catchphrase "Put the State on notice."

Tipstaff
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
Sorry JB is all over the place. He doesn't know how a 'real court' works or if he does he thinks he and ICA are the exception to the rules.

Liz
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
CFNews13Casey

Ashton wants this discovery violation to be considered with others after this trial is over. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
less than a minute ago via Twitter for iPad

Shelby1
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
Has anyone else noticed that JB rarely refers to HHJP as "Your Honor" ... but rather "sir" instead? :rolleyes: Decorum, BAEZZZZZ!


I just heard him say "your honor".

ami
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
I wonder why ICA looks so pizzed today. I wonder what could be happening behind the defense scenes. Anything that makes her look that way can only be a good thing I guess.

Novice Seeker
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
Baez STILL doesn't get it. Once again attempting to justify his actions.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 08:57 AM
Good morning all. Anyone know any good links with decent sound? No cable here :banghead: Can't watch live other than on this laptop.

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
8:57 Baez...speed it up.

ZsaZsa
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Good morning all. Anyone know any good links with decent sound? No cable here :banghead: Can't watch live other than on this laptop.

I go to the WESH Tv website and click on Live Blog. No commercials, no timing out.

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
When JA speaks, he clips right along...when JB speaks, he plods. It's annoying.

logicalgirl
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Mr. Baez is looking somewhat subdued this morning....DNA from decomp??? Didn't get a Frye hearing on this? No peer review or anything to substantiate this information? What does JB think he is doing?

BritsKate
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Has anyone else noticed that JB rarely refers to HHJP as "Your Honor" ... but rather "sir" instead? :rolleyes: Decorum, BAEZZZZZ!

LOL

Here I was like 'Whoa...he called him Sir!' I'm used to Judge.

TortillaChip
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Expand issues?? That's trial by ambush in truth.

barrysgirl
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
JB STILL doesn't get what is supposed to be in those expert reports does he? Or rather, he doesn't care.

Laynee
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
woaaaa...is JB kissing up to JP now?? really JB? just wow......calling your honor, taking his info from a prior case in account, etc.....

SuziQ
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Of course JB wants a Frye hearing....in the middle of trial!

4realtho
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
I thought they were going to deal with these issues at 8:30, what the heck!

newsjunkie
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Good morning all. Anyone know any good links with decent sound? No cable here :banghead: Can't watch live other than on this laptop.

I watch courtroom view here: http://www.wdbo.com/caseyontrialvideo/

and Casey here: http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

They sync up pretty well,wdbo has no commercial breaks, and they both have good sound (but you will want to mute one of them).

Novice Seeker
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Baez telling HHJP how he was touched by JP's personal experience and how it inspired him. PLEEZE

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
I am curious if DNA was in Eikenbloom's original report?

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 08:59 AM
So here is the part where Jose tells us all why he doesn't have to play well with others

aka; The Blame Game.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 08:59 AM
While I'd like to argue.... In other words, I'm going to spew some venom but I'm going to tell you that I'm not

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 08:59 AM
"In an effort to move things along..." THIS, coming from BAEZ? lol

MelissaLee
06-21-2011, 08:59 AM
JB pronounces "ruse" as "roooos". In referencing JA's objections etc

BritsKate
06-21-2011, 08:59 AM
Oh no here we go again...State's creating a ruse and inflaming the court to seek sanctions.

Bad Jeff. ;)

watcher9
06-21-2011, 08:59 AM
Good Morning.
I had three windows open - one for our discussion, one for the trial and one for ICA - and thought I was set and was ready for the action to begin.
Then, the trial window showed ICA coming in with her tied back shirt and when the cameo camera started, it showed her in a blue shirt with the big sweater over it. I was in a panic.
I had to reset everything and now I hope I have it straight with both showing her in blue.

Now, I'm way behind again today. Hearing JB spouting away.

Liz
06-21-2011, 08:59 AM
Not trying to be snarky but ICA appears to be wearing clothes (at least the top half) that might be suitable for someone her grandma's age.

ami
06-21-2011, 09:00 AM
If Suebert (sp) doesn't know anything about low copy DNA, why was she testifying about it? Jeez JB.

Oh, and the request for sanctions is a State "ruse". I guess that's why HHJP mentioned it himself yesterday.

wenwe4
06-21-2011, 09:00 AM
JA up to HHBP about depo they took yesterday from Dr. Eichlinbloom.....
he didn't form opinion until 2 days ago....not peer reviewed....he and his opinion that could not withhold through a Frye hearing....scientific principle ability to obtain a certain chemical from a certain body (ie: dna) Defense has already had one witness testify ...Ms. Seubert already testified about dna able to come or not from ...


All reports from experts were to be in by a certain date....Mr. Eickenbloom (?)


JB - filed respons w/court 12/15/10 - listed CV, trace recovery, sentence 3 if he were called to testify re: dna and trace and ....substantive ....until then difficult to give his opinions .....issues raised about degredation of dna....this notice should have put the state on notice.....this is completely different than Dr. Rodriguiz....as issues came up and when your honor gave us personal experience....take that knowledge....these opinions were formulated on that Saturday....we were going to take depos and expand on what he was going to testify to....call Mr. Eiklenbloom to testify solely to deal w/dna degredation....JB would like argue that JA didn't object to Seuberts testimony....now he creates a ruse to Frye issues and all......solely limit to dna and degredation......

Mr. Mason will deal with other issues

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 09:00 AM
Cannot wait until HHJP rules on this.

Schu7
06-21-2011, 09:00 AM
There goes the 9.00 time start for the jury again. HHJP talks and talks....but nothing changes.

Insomnia Momma
06-21-2011, 09:00 AM
I hear Charlie Browns teachers when JB goes into his long rants. I really do try to listen :innocent:

How can he say his e-mail explaining what experts would testify to is sufficent? He had each witness testifying to everything IIRC! That e-mail was a hot mess!

JA: Defense is rebutting it's own witness!

You can't make this stuff up, I swear!

BritsKate
06-21-2011, 09:00 AM
JA: Defense is rebutting their own witness.

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:00 AM
I just heard him say "your honor".

Well that figures. lol
Sure as I'd mention it, he'd say it.

I was referring to when he said, "Good morning, Sir."

suzihawk
06-21-2011, 09:01 AM
JA: the Defense is rebutting it's own witness.

adb263
06-21-2011, 09:01 AM
Good morning all!!!

What a way to wake up, to JB saying 'rooooossss'.

tehcloser
06-21-2011, 09:01 AM
ICA has on her cocoon sweater........theatrics coming.

DianaElaine
06-21-2011, 09:01 AM
JB a TURNING that pen!!!

logicalgirl
06-21-2011, 09:02 AM
I had forgotten the SA did not introduce any DNA evidence - so JA is saying the Defense is rebutting their own witness.

ohiogirl
06-21-2011, 09:02 AM
His Honor has a better memory than me. Good for him.

4realtho
06-21-2011, 09:02 AM
ICA has on her cocoon sweater........theatrics coming.

:floorlaugh:

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:03 AM
Time's a wasting... the jurors are back there, ready to go, and again just wasting their time away. Let's get crackin'!

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:03 AM
defense never requested carpet or duct tape be tested for DNA, but now wants to question this witness about
DNA in relation to those things?

Interesting. Methinks HHJP will say, "No."

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 09:03 AM
DT (at taxpayer's expense) was allowed to send certain items out for DNA testing. They sent out the short and the laundry bag - but DID NOT send out the carpet sample and the tape. And Eikenbloom wants to testify about the carpet sample.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:03 AM
Interesting - now they want their expert to testify on materials DT never had tested

ami
06-21-2011, 09:03 AM
Tape and carpet samples: defense never requested that those were DNA tested. Just shorts and bag she was found in.

Interesting.

So tape and carpet never tested, but witness wants to testify about the potential for DNA in decomp fluid on the carpet.

BritsKate
06-21-2011, 09:03 AM
HHJP is questioning DNA testing closely. Interesting. Why did the defense cherry pick items to test? Hmm...

Duct tape and carpet not tested BUT expert wants to testify on it? Oh this is gonna be good. Expert was never informed items were not tested.

21merc7
06-21-2011, 09:03 AM
HHJP tilting head like a mom does when she hears you telling a whopper

Solomisskitty
06-21-2011, 09:03 AM
So here is the part where Jose tells us all why he doesn't have to play well with others

Wish JB and JA could just be put in the jury room to duke it out then come back and get down to business.

IMO, JB's sucking up to His Honor this morning.

miss plum
06-21-2011, 09:04 AM
OMG *zips lips*

alwaysonmymind
06-21-2011, 09:04 AM
Not trying to be snarky but ICA appears to be wearing clothes (at least the top half) that might be suitable for someone her grandma's age.

That's prolly what has her werked up this morning......


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21merc7
06-21-2011, 09:04 AM
I hope JB remembers that HHJP reviewed all this last night and this a.m. most likely

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
See, it's your fault Judge, that i couldn't do that so I have to do this. Not My Fault - your fault

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
So I was chowing down on my awesome lunch and catching up with my favourite manga when I noticed the time - then I log onto the best crime board on the www, and find that Baez is being an *unusual person*. Again.

-head meets desk-

BritsKate
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
And thanks whoever said that - I am now hearing Charlie Brown's teacher when Baez is up!

21merc7
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
Back to the certified lab again, we did this in Frye Hearings

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
HHJP: So are you saying there is no lab, in the Continental USA that does low copy DNA testing?

adb263
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
Wow ....JB sounds like he knows what he is talking about!! Even so, I don't think this will go in his favor! But what do I know.

Oakley
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
Interesting - now they want their expert to testify on materials DT never had tested

Trial by ambush, yet again

ami
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
So they only sent shorts and bag because they were the items most likely to get evidence "beneficial to the defense". (yes, but no one is disputing that Caylee's DNA would be on her own shorts and the bag her remains were found in).

They did not test the tape and carpet, which coincidentally are the two items that are in dispute in this case.

TiaM
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
It finally dawned on me what this guy and the "touch DNA" is all about.

Baez is JEALOUS that Ashton is famous for being the first to successfully bring DNA testing into a court case and successfully prosecute because of it.

Baez wants so badly to one up him and get this in, therefore becoming "famous" at least in his own little mind. :loser:

minazoe
06-21-2011, 09:06 AM
Jose is starting to sound like Casey....

countzero
06-21-2011, 09:06 AM
Not trying to be snarky but ICA appears to be wearing clothes (at least the top half) that might be suitable for someone her grandma's age.

Not on this grandma. I shop at the Gap.

jane the dood
06-21-2011, 09:06 AM
JB: "Let me rephrase that...." Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Steely Dan
06-21-2011, 09:06 AM
IIRC, touch DNA is what was used to prove that none of the Ramsey's DNA was on Jon Benet's panties.

Marina2
06-21-2011, 09:07 AM
wow...

DNA was discovered and developed in Europe. - JB

ami
06-21-2011, 09:07 AM
My own lab does low copy number DNA amplification. It's common now. I don't know about certified labs for crime scene analysis.

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:07 AM
CFNews13Casey

In effort to move along, Baez suggests only questioning of Eicklenboom be limited. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
5 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

C'mon mr Baezzzz .... let's get on with the 'show'. The director is seated, bundled up and ready to fake tears as needed.

DianaElaine
06-21-2011, 09:07 AM
UGH! I could have gone to the post office, the credit union and stopped off for cream this morning .. if I had known this was going to take up all this time! :banghead:

azscr4mbl3r
06-21-2011, 09:07 AM
Ah I see.. DT's DNA guy is a "pioneer" and the SA's expert's a JUNK scientists.....

MaraSleuth
06-21-2011, 09:07 AM
Kathy Belich and the other reporter from yesterday are smirking/giggling each time JB is up speaking...

MissDiva
06-21-2011, 09:07 AM
JB has studied a lot in "this area" (DNA)? Too bad he didn't devote that same amount of study to law practice.

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:07 AM
Jose Baez is now a geneticist. :floorlaugh:

Kentjbkent
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
If nothing else, I HOPE HHJP allows the prosecution statement read to the jury that Ashton read.....

Kat
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
I thought this was ruled on before? Or am I remembering something else completely? TIA

mitzi
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand......

Cherry Baby
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
Uhhhh that would have been England JB, where DNA was first mapped. Crick and Watson - and one of those was an American. A woman, Rosalind Franklin, was involved as well. He may think he has studied in this area, but I have my reservations.

ami
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
Mr Eikelenboom is well known in the "DNA community". JB

chelle70
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
JB has done extensive DNA testing??? Um, I think NOT!

SuziQ
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
So what's the DT point? They want to show a different dead body was in the trunk?

aprilraindance
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
Ohhhhh dear Biaz is talking about using low copy DNA that is used in Europe. Now this is where I want to point out that the defense all but crucified Dr. Voss for his "sniffer invention" ... My question is how is this any different? Both are new science ! What is good for the goose is good for the gander!

Neurotripsy
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
JB: "I have researched this subject..."

Yeah, right!

logicalgirl
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
JA unaware that the low copy DNA - what Mr. Baez keeps calling it his "Kit", is being done in USA. Baez is saying Mr. E. is well known in the DNA community for being a DNA pioneer according to Mr. Baez study of DNA.....What is that smell?

Kentjbkent
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
it finally dawned on me what this guy and the "touch dna" is all about.

Baez is jealous that ashton is famous for being the first to successfully bring dna testing into a court case and successfully prosecute because of it.

Baez wants so badly to one up him and get this in, therefore becoming "famous" at least in his own little mind. :loser:

bingo!!!!

BritsKate
06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
Eiklenbloom is well known in the scientific community...per JB.

Earlier when googling his name I came across an article about him entitled 'CSI For Hire'.

ohiogirl
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
HE does believe himself to be a DNA expert.

summerthyme
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
YAY Go HHJP !!!

kar
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
at this rate they will have to start at 7:30 soon...

ami
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
HHJP: grants states request for instruction. Prohibit testimony concerning possibility of testing by DNA analysis of the decomposition fluid in the trunk.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
Finally

noelle91176
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

thanks so much!

tragco
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
State gets to read their instruction, testimony prohibited concerning trunk fluid!

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
HHJP blocks the testimony on DNA evidence of decomp on trunk liner.

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
HHJP - we will prohibit the testimony concerning the testimony of DNA analysis

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
Krystal Halloway is in hallway. She claimed to have affair w/ George Anthony. This may be why Lippman said "today is going to be ugly"
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 8:08 AM

adb263
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
Velvet Hammer has spoken....Instruction to jury and prohibiting testimony of carpet DNA by DT.........

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 09:09 AM
golly, another possible Frye hearing?

jmfstl
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
OMG HHJP is considering a frye hearing this late in the trial I just cannot believe this.

ZsaZsa
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
It finally dawned on me what this guy and the "touch DNA" is all about.

Baez is JEALOUS that Ashton is famous for being the first to successfully bring DNA testing into a court case and successfully prosecute because of it.

Baez wants so badly to one up him and get this in, therefore becoming "famous" at least in his own little mind. :loser:

He would first have to know something about DNA in order to argue about it.
It is way over his head. That would be like me trying to teach a Master mechanic about the combustion engine... please!

KenoshaKid
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
So was there DNA in the trunk sample or not. I am just reading here and not watching and am TOTALLY confused.

Emeralgem
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Dang.... I have to go in to the shop this am... I'm due there by 9:30.. So I'm going to miss the drama this morning... Y'all be good..

TortillaChip
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Go JPB no nonsense this morning!!! He is being careful, but not taking any guff from JB

BritsKate
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Woot!

HHJP is limiting his testimony per JA's request. Oh...abundance of caution - schedule a Frye hearing giving the State a week's notice. God this trial is gonna last til Christmas.

ami
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Mid-trial Frye hearing.

cityslick
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Denied but not shutting the door.

MaraSleuth
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
#Krystal Halloway is in hallway. She claimed to have affair w/ George Anthony. This may be why Lippman said "today is going to be ugly"by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:08 AM

PGWodehouse
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
HHJP: Looks like we'll be doing this for the next two weeks.

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
bobkealing

#CaseyAnthony River Cruz denied to WESH 2 that she and George had an affair. Expect that to come up when she's called to testify.
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

sleutherontheside
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
HHJP was so right when he said "You can't teach a Piglet to sing."
This is getting just pathetic.

Hey JB......Do re mi fa so la ti do.......try that!

wenwe4
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
JA w/HHBP the witness was unaware that dna was not tested because DT didn't request items to be tested.....

JB low copy dna - different type of dna testing - the court and SA would not allow us to test it...

HHBP - are you saying there is no certified lab that does low copy dna except his?

JB not aware of any others in US - in Europe quite popular - more advanced than we are in US - low copy DNA

HHBP - has low copy DNA been Frye yet?

JB -not sure if in FL

jA - HE did not indicate low copy was not run in other labs during his depo...

JB - not true - low copy requires a specific test - can't just run it extra times....Mr. Eiklenbloom is the premiere in this area...use these kits - uniqueness of what he does....we are conceeding to stick to areas that are well known to State ...they didn't take his depo until recently.....

HHBP -court heard arguements for both SA and DT - prohibit testimony concerning possible testing by dna analysis by decomp fluid in the trunk....court will do out of abundance of caution -looks like we will do this for next 2 weeks....schedule a Frye hearing and give SA one week notice - consider doing that to see if admissable - but for time being - not going to be permitted as a sanction for not disclosing...not permanently shut the door - give an opportunity for proper notice for witness to give testimony for a Frye hearing.

luv
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
http://i55.tinypic.com/wugoxu.jpg

ZsaZsa
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
Krystal Halloway is in hallway. She claimed to have affair w/ George Anthony. This may be why Lippman said "today is going to be ugly"
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 8:08 AM

Should be interesting....

Kat
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
Good ruling.

wvjules
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
at this rate they will have to start at 7:30 soon...

The judge didn't even come in until 8:47 so it wasn't even 8:30 like he had said.

morayne
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
Jose Baez is now a geneticist. :floorlaugh:

But is he a chemist?

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
Perry says he expects to be here two more weeks.
by bobkealing via twitter at 8:10 AM

ami
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
HHJP is bending over backwards for ICA to get a fair trial in spite of her representation. He sounds exhausted. I am exhausted at his efforts to be fair to her.

MADJGNLAW
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
FYI: You guys prepare for today its not gonna be pretty KRYSTAL HALLOWAY IS THERE

Schu7
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
HHJP says at least 2 more weeks of trial. His June 27TH deadline is gone. Maybe, just maybe July 27TH.

SuziQ
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
Kathy Belich and the other reporter from yesterday are smirking/giggling each time JB is up speaking...

The gray haired fellow that sits next to her? It's funny to watch his expressions. A moment ago, when JB said that US labs are behind Europe, that guy snapped his head up and had a HUH? look on his face.

QueenD
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
By what the judge just said , if you give a weeks notice I will allow a frye hearing. I don't think the jury will be home for the 4th of July.

Solomisskitty
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
It finally dawned on me what this guy and the "touch DNA" is all about.

Baez is JEALOUS that Ashton is famous for being the first to successfully bring DNA testing into a court case and successfully prosecute because of it.

Baez wants so badly to one up him and get this in, therefore becoming "famous" at least in his own little mind. :loser:

Oh he'll have his 15 minutes of fame but I don't believe it'll be in a positive light!

What'sThatClue
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
JB objecting....needs time to prepare

Might call Dr. Jane Bach

grandmaj
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
This is what happens when you don't follow court order and try to sneak in a witness with "surprise" testimony.

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
JB objection to the instructions by JA. HHJP "Do you have an alternative instruction" JB "No"

miss plum
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
I was half-waiting for JB to proudly announce that he personally has DNA.

2goldfish
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
ICA's expressions remind me of the over acting of 30s actresses. yall ever seen gone with the wind, I am sure you have...the overdone expressions of viven leigh...?

LiveLaughLuv
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
DT (at taxpayer's expense) was allowed to send certain items out for DNA testing. They sent out the short and the laundry bag - but DID NOT send out the carpet sample and the tape. And Eikenbloom wants to testify about the carpet sample.

even more interesting is the only mtDNA found was female...does that work for or against the defenses theory...why didn't Baez have the carpet sample tested?? He now wants that second bite of the apple...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115694&page=10

Azcrabcakes
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
I usually do the same, but today I can't find the CaseyCam link.

They do run commercials sometimes, but not often!
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

21merc7
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
JB objecting to State's Instruction, he does not have an alternate Instruction so must prepare one, will call Dr. Jane Bock as 1st witness instead, wait, wait, other witnesses

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
First witness...botanist Jane Brock.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
Master William has been dispatched to dig up witnesses

cricketann
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
Would Pillow Talk between GA and RC be considered Hearsay?

Turnadot
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
As my Australian friend says: Baez sh--ts me to tears.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
Let's bring the jury in!

mombomb
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
All parties present.

JA: Addressing discovery - Mr. Eikelenboom - depo done yesterday afternoon. Counsel has received it as well. McDuffy v. State - at court's suggestion. At this point a discovery violation clearly has occurred, however outright exclusion is not necessary - not in the best interest of the Defendant or the future of this case. Proposed sanctions. We have been able to overcome procedural prejudice. Only area is the opinion that DNA is recoverable from decomp fluid. If this issue had been properly provided there would have been a Frey hearing. Witness - opinion not based on research, just anecdotal experience of his own. Witnesses's opinions formed on Saturday and he was never informed of the Court's order. We request that portion of the witness's testimony be excluded. The most similar holding is the Syber (sp) case. Defense has already had one issue test about this issue. We request an appropriate instruction to the Court - I've handwritten a suggestion.

JB: Filed response on 12/15/10 where Mr. Eikelenboom was discussed. In that response, he stated that his CV, field of expertise were listed and informed the court he would testify to DNA, crime scene analysis and DNA recovery. He would like Mr. E to testify to the issues raised about degradation of DNA and he thinks this notice should be sufficient. As these issues came up, he wanted to apply the Court's experience to this issue. He is not attempting to create any gotcha moments. Wants to call him to testify solely to the issue of DNA degradation. Would love to argue the point of exclusion - the issue of being able to obtain samples from the DNA fluid - no issue brought up when FBI Seubert testified to it. In effort to move things along, he proposes to solely limit testimony to explaining DNA - specifically low copy DNA and issues of degradation. He could give hypotheticals and then we can move on with this trial. CM will address issues with the other witness.

JA: Briefly, the State did not offer any DNA evidence in this case. DNA offered by defense and the defense is now rebutting its own evidence. If the witness will not be giving opinions about inability to obtain DNA from the carpet - then that resolves that issue, but he still feels sanctions are necessary.

HHJBP: At some point the Court granted the defense's motion to have certain items of evidence at tax payers expense to be tested for DNA.

JA: Sent to National Services Lab in Pennsylvania. The shorts and the bag were tested. The tape was not tested. The Defense never requested to have the tape tested.

HHJBP: And he is proposing to have the witness testify to the possibility of DNA on duct tape and testing the carpet for decomp fluid to extract DNA from that?

JA: According to the witness, he was never informed of which items were being tested or what the results were.

HHJBP: So, he was not aware those items were tested and could have been.

JB: This witness tests low copy DNA testing. This type is unique and we requested that they be allowed and that was objected by the State and the Defense was denied that opportunity. This witness is one of the pioneers in this type of testing.

HHJBP: So there is no certified lab in the U.S. that does low copy testing?

JB: The New York City crime lab only. It is quite prevalent in Europe.

HHJBP: Has low copy DNA been Frey approved yet?

JB: It has been used, but can't say if it has in Florida.

JA: This witness stated that low copy number is additional replicating runs. He did not indicate this was unique. Not aware what counsel is talking about.

JB: Not true - kit called mini-filer. Not just doing extra runs. JB has studied quite a bit on this area and Mr. E is known as a pioneer in this area. Objects to specialized instruction punishing the defense.

HHJBP: Court will grant the State's request for the instruction and at this time would prohibit the testimony concerning the possibility of testing by DNA analysis of the decomp fluid in the trunk. Out of an abundance of caution, since it looks like we are going to do this for the next 2 weeks, you can schedule a Frey hearing to consider whether or not it would be admissible. For the time being it won't be permitted as a sanction for not disclosing it, but I will not permanently shut the door.

JA gives HHJBP his written instruction to the Jury.

JB: Just got a copy of the instruction and said he would prepare an alternative.

JB: We can call Dr. Jane Bach while preparing alternative. DS talking to JB. Now JB says they can call other witnesses in the mean time.

Jury coming in at 9:12

SuziQ
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
HHJP is bending over backwards for ICA to get a fair trial in spite of her representation. He sounds exhausted. I am exhausted at his efforts to be fair to her.

BBM. I am too. When does this start being fair to Caylee?

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
I was half-waiting for JB to proudly announce that he personally has DNA.

:floorlaugh:

Liz
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
Baez, once again, in court, UNPREPARED!

This guy should never have taken this case!

cloud9
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
DNA? Another Frye Hearing?

If I may, because I obviously am not too brilliant...

WHY are they making a DNA issue if the DNA was destroyed due to weather conditions, etc.

kathyn2
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
Can't believe the judge goes along with this Baez on everything. Why should he fashion his own rebuke for his discovery violations for goodness sakes. It is a sanction, not a letter of accolades!

Kat
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
Okay so the trunk liner stain wasn't tested for DNA? IMHO it really should have.


Jury back.

JSR
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
This is simply unbelievable. ICA has a real possibility to get an ineffective assistance of counsel appeal.

JB's blunders aren't just small they're freaking HUGE!!! I'd be pissed if I were ICA.

laserdisc10
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
i was half-waiting for jb to proudly announce that he personally has dna.

lol !

marleysmom
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
So I'm confused about what's going on...as a FL taxpayer I'm going to have to contribute to the DT doing DNA testing outside the US when everything states that the body was underwater for months thereby destroying any DNA????? All the b/c JB thinks he's a DNA expert and watched the OJ trial instead of going to law school?????

Neurotripsy
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
Jennifer Welch is back.

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
Wait, Jennifer Welsh? I thought they were calling Jane brock?

reeseeva
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
Is it just me or does ICA always look at the Jury with a sullen angry, guilty look?

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
As jury comes in Jose Baez is whispering to Lisbeth Fryor as she is writing. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 8:14 AM

#CaseyAnthony Judge agreed said Dr. E can't testify about lack of DNA in carpet in trunk but Judge left door open for Frye hearing
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 8:14 AM

Defense objects to the jury instruction the prosec prepared..and while they write a new one, they'll call another #caseyanthony witness.
by abcashleigh via twitter at 8:13 AM

Ashton walked hand written Instruction for jury over to defense. They objected. Defense will prepare one. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 8:13 AM

Drama Queen
06-21-2011, 09:14 AM
The judge didn't even come in until 8:47 so it wasn't even 8:30 like he had said.

The way I understood the HJP was that the attorneys for each side had to be at the court by 8:30 each morning so that court would officially begin at 9:00. That is what I understood and hope that this is helpful.
MOO

2goldfish
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
I was half-waiting for JB to proudly announce that he personally has DNA.


oh gosh I cant stop laughing at that, you are SO right

21merc7
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
DS going to do direct?

ami
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
I love Jennifer Welch. She's awesome.

Wise Old Owl
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
CSI Welch back on the stand

adb263
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
Oh Bless her heart!! Jennifer Welch is back...

Mountain_Kat
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
Poor Jennifer, she's on the stand every other day.

JSR
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
Okay so the trunk liner stain wasn't tested for DNA? IMHO it really should have.


Jury back.

I agree even though we all know only one dead body was in the trunk it should have been tested. HUGE mistake by JB.

Eidetic
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
Casey smiles and whispers when it is announced the defense will call Jenny Welch.

BigFatMommyDog
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
Wait, Jennifer Welsh? I thought they were calling Jane brock?

Any warm body at this point?

liltexans
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
Defense calling OCSO photographer back to stand. Dorothy Sims doing direct.
by bobkealing via twitter at 8:15 AM

Defense calls Orange co Crime Scene Investigator Jennifer Welch. Dorothy Sims will question. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 8:15 AM

It's boomerang Jen Welch! (cuz she keeps coming back) #caseyanthony
by jimlichtenstein via twitter at 8:14 AM

#CaseyAnthony George Anthony's alleged mistress, Krystal Holloway, a.k.a. River Cruz has been subpoened and is outside courtroom
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 8:14 AM