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beach
06-11-2011, 10:43 PM
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beach
06-13-2011, 08:42 AM
I'm going to try to clarify a few things so hopefully we are a little clearer about what is okay to post in this thread and what is to be saved for Sidebar. Hope this helps. :)

Re: posting Tweets - Previously we have requested that all tweets be restricted from this thread and posted in the Twitter thread. Posting single tweets from anyone inside the courroom that can shed light on what we are unable to see via our monitors are fine to post here. (note: repetitive, multiple posts of the same tweet will be removed at mod discretion so they do not clog up the thread.) Most all of these will be from MSM reporters - I really can't think of any exceptions off of the top of my head. If they can tell us how jurors are reacting, that is huge, relevant info and we need to see it here. I ask that those of you who do post tweets still include them in the Twitter thread because we have many members who log in for a quick update and depend solely on that thread.


Re: posting about the demeanor of the defendant or witnesses -
This is the deal:
It is perfectly fine to post FACTS & OBSERVATIONS about their demeanor. (e.g., Casey is emotionless; Casey is giggling while listening to this testimony, etc...)

It is the "Casey's blouse is so low cut she must be trying to get the attention of Juror #11, the George Clooney look-a-like"; "eyebrows and hair" ('nuff said :aktion1:). Bottom line, if it doesn't add anything to understanding what is going on during TRIAL, then save these comments and post them in the Sidebar. Express those sentiments there. (Remember! TOS and Rules of Etiquette still apply in Sidebar: no namecalling, bashing and derogatory remarks simply intended to be snarky.)


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beach
06-16-2011, 01:26 PM
:bump:

Oakley
06-16-2011, 01:34 PM
anthonycase WOFL
Some attorneys were yelling @ Baez for cutting in the security line. #caseyanthony #fox35

nursebeeme
06-16-2011, 01:34 PM
bumping up! make sure to read and HEED the rules!

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:34 PM
A family came to the courthouse to release balloons for #CayleeAnthony. #CaseyAnthony -jfell

by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:33 PM

adb263
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
Good Afternoon Posters!!

have you followed all of my previous admonitions? sorry...forgot where I was!!

watcher9
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
I see that ICA is back in, all excited and happy.

anb
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
Can someone please tell me what witnesses have been called today so far? Thanks!

strach304
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
Wonder what is so amusing to Casey?

luv
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/k1b8k0.jpg

my2sense
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
ICA happy, happy -- then moderates expression when the judge is behind her

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
#CaseyAnthony No one notable waiting to testify.

by bobkealing via twitter at 12:29 PM

Turnadot
06-16-2011, 01:35 PM
*sigh*

And we're back.

Quiche
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Jose and his rolling briefcase making trouble again? :lol:

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Attorney Richard Hale, who called press conf, said Vasco Thompson has sought other counsel. Press conference canceled.

by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 11:18 AM

Turnadot
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
bumping up! make sure to read and HEED the rules!
Would you like for us to heed your previous admonitions?

Carolina Girl
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Good Afternoon!

yeknomaras
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16569&stc=1&d=1308245783

Linda7NJ
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Wow, Casey is sooo gitty!

anb
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
OMG...Caylee was killed 3 years ago today and Casey is smiling and laughing like life is so wonderful. Has she been this way all morning?!

Niner
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
back from lunch - all smiles!

Kat
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
CNN showing KC at defense table. Looks like Perry behind her?

adb263
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Can someone please tell me what witnesses have been called today so far? Thanks!

CSI Bloise and <modsnip> FBI Lady to say she found no blood ANYWHERE!!

Mendara
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Wonder what is so amusing to Casey?

maybe she will be called soon.

mombomb
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Sadly, ICA is looking very chipper on the anniversary of her daughter's death.
I believe HHJBP is standing at the door behind her.

mrsu
06-16-2011, 01:36 PM
I too missed most of the morning session. Any significant points noted by the DT? What's up this afternoon?

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
How come we're late starting? Anyone know?

Nana46
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
I see that ICA is back in, all excited and happy.

all coy and blinking and laughing....what a mess.

knt
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
Looks like Baez is all in a tizzy looking for something and ICA laughing at him.

KathrynL
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
KC does.not.like. HHJB standing behind her. IMO she knows that he knows what's what. kwim? imo

watcher9
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
She must be anticipating the big bombshell the DT is going to drop.

mydailyopinions
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
My observation is that this day 3 years ago means nothing to Casey.

luv
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/2z68dbp.jpg

Plumeria5
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
I see that ICA is back in, all excited and happy.

Yes, she looks confident! This is HER big day and 3 years ago it was Caylee's last!!!

Lucylu7
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
Here's hoping the afternoon session is a little more interesting,or at least a bit easier to understand.KC is looking a bit amused at something.

hannahsnana
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
I read a post earlier today that the woman currently testifying had dinner with Baez last night. Don't know who reported it, but apparently they were seen. This woman is an employee of the FBI, correct? Since when is it okay for a government employee to accept any gratuity from anyone involved in a case in which she is testifying?????? Even if she paid for her own dinner, it is the perception that is objectionable. I am a retired state employee in HR, and in my career, this would never have been allowed.

TotallyObsessed
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
Some attorneys were yelling @ Baez for cutting in the security line. #caseyanthony #fox35by anthonycase via twitter at 12:27 PM

celticthyme
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
Very striking disconnect today, 3 years after Caylee has been gone, and her mother wears white, is smiling, animated and acting as if nothing at all has happened. There were just balloons released by school children by the court house marking the significance of this day!

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:38 PM
I've noticed juror 4 taking notes today. She's not a big note taker.

by bobkealing via twitter at 12:37 PM

sleutherontheside
06-16-2011, 01:38 PM
16571

16572

ExpectingUnicorns
06-16-2011, 01:38 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16569&stc=1&d=1308245783

Yes, yes, yes! HHJP "sees" her. :D

Americka
06-16-2011, 01:38 PM
Can someone please tell me what witnesses have been called today so far? Thanks!

Gerardo Bloise (OCSO CSI)
Heather Seubert (FBI - Unit Chief of Firearm Tools currently; in 2008 was a forensic scientist specializing in serology)

MissDiva
06-16-2011, 01:38 PM
Lending my copy of Zen and the Art of Happiness to JA.

wenwe4
06-16-2011, 01:39 PM
KC in courtroom, HHBP standing behind her - appears to be looking her way....kc hands clasped in front of her mouth....eyes wide open...smile and talk and hide behind hands ....eyes smile....talk to DS.....back to solmn face....eyebrow raise, look around....eyebrow raising people watching...looking over DS notes...HHBP still stand behind her....lots of people walking in the room...mouse and mousepad in front of kc....kc stands next to CM - HHBP to bench....

HHBP - know what next question going to be...

JB don't want any issues...

HHBP - last question....Were you asked to conduct a paternity test for LA paternity of Caylee....

JA - not relevant to ask that question...
JB = I can rephrase question....did you conduct a paternity test?
HHBP - OK - same page - return jury.

MissDiva
06-16-2011, 01:39 PM
JA and JB playing nicely now, and they're returning the jury. Looks like things got worked out. I guess. Assuming JB didn't plant anything in their minds.

Kat
06-16-2011, 01:39 PM
Jury is being returned

waltzingmatilda
06-16-2011, 01:39 PM
Standing for the jury.

GracieLu
06-16-2011, 01:40 PM
My observation is that this day 3 years ago means nothing to Casey.

mine as well... so sad!

suzihawk
06-16-2011, 01:40 PM
I see that ICA is back in, all excited and happy.

She looks like the cat that swallowed the canary, doesn't she? I've never seen a defendant act like she's at a damned tea party rather than sitting in judgment for the death of her own child. <shakes head>

eaglemom
06-16-2011, 01:40 PM
JA and JB bending over backwards to be polite to each other

Amster
06-16-2011, 01:40 PM
So....once again, JB gets his way. I am happy that JA is passionate about Caylee. At least she has someone in that courtroom who cares.

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:40 PM
all coy and blinking and laughing....what a mess.

Reinforcing the SA trauma angle, imo. "disassociating".

I'm not buying it.

adb263
06-16-2011, 01:40 PM
How come we're late starting? Anyone know?

Elevator Problems..

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:40 PM
Lee Anthony is not in the courtroom today

by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:39 PM

eaglemom
06-16-2011, 01:40 PM
JB rephrasing last question

fifteen89
06-16-2011, 01:41 PM
How come we're late starting? Anyone know?

Elevator problems ???

eaglemom
06-16-2011, 01:41 PM
JB - did you conduct paternity test for Lee Anthony

Oakley
06-16-2011, 01:41 PM
I read a post earlier today that the woman currently testifying had dinner with Baez last night. Don't know who reported it, but apparently they were seen. This woman is an employee of the FBI, correct? Since when is it okay for a government employee to accept any gratuity from anyone involved in a case in which she is testifying?????? Even if she paid for her own dinner, it is the perception that is objectionable. I am a retired state employee in HR, and in my career, this would never have been allowed.

:eek:

TiaM
06-16-2011, 01:41 PM
Baez already on my last frazzled nerve this afternoon.

suepitzl
06-16-2011, 01:41 PM
IMO ICA looks awful and haunted

ella971
06-16-2011, 01:41 PM
When will this be over? The trial? Please and thanks.

Celt1997
06-16-2011, 01:42 PM
Elevator problems ???

And that, my friends, is why I always take the stairs!

Sounds like JA is letting JB phrase the question the way he wants?

Elley Mae
06-16-2011, 01:42 PM
Elevator problems ???

That's what I heard as well, I think he was talking about Baez and his elevator. :D

LolaMoon08
06-16-2011, 01:42 PM
You would think that the talk about her brother being tested for the paternity of her child would bring back the memories of her brother trying to sexually abuse her. She doesn't seem phased by it at all. Stone cold as usual.

shelbar53
06-16-2011, 01:42 PM
Casey has been with JB longer than she had been with Caylee.

Oakley
06-16-2011, 01:42 PM
I've noticed juror 4 taking notes today. She's not a big note taker.

by bobkealing via twitter at 12:37 PM

IIRC she is the woman who didn't want to judge anyone.

Scamperoo
06-16-2011, 01:42 PM
I wonder if this witness will be impartial on cross....

YellowSubmarine
06-16-2011, 01:42 PM
I read a post earlier today that the woman currently testifying had dinner with Baez last night. Don't know who reported it, but apparently they were seen. This woman is an employee of the FBI, correct? Since when is it okay for a government employee to accept any gratuity from anyone involved in a case in which she is testifying?????? Even if she paid for her own dinner, it is the perception that is objectionable. I am a retired state employee in HR, and in my career, this would never have been allowed.


He did announce in open court they talked last night, which definitely caught my curiosity. Makes me wonder....

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:42 PM
Juror 4 has been taking more notes today than she did during the prosecution. Interesting.

by stevehelling via twitter at 12:41 PM

justanother
06-16-2011, 01:43 PM
Just give us your notes already!

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:43 PM
When will this be over? The trial? Please and thanks.

At the rate today is going, I'm gonna say sometime in 2016. ;)

(Seriously though, I don't know.)

MissDiva
06-16-2011, 01:43 PM
I'm sorry, but this witness gets on my nerves. Has problems finding her reports, speaks loudly...just something about her that makes me twitch a bit.

eaglemom
06-16-2011, 01:43 PM
Witness attempting to find appropriate report

momtective
06-16-2011, 01:43 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/k1b8k0.jpg

And her daughter died 3 years ago today!

Amster
06-16-2011, 01:43 PM
This witness is annoying to me. All her side comments and wanting to explain.....

fifteen89
06-16-2011, 01:43 PM
She lost the report or what?

npcougar
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
Wow, witness can't even keep track of her own report. :(

MelissaLee
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
KC does NOT appear to like this witness. She's giving her the sideways, lids half-closed, stare of death she has given to most female witnesses. Perhaps she caught that this witness and JB had dinner or spoke - whatever - last night.

Brattigirle
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
unprepared?

UFO
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
Just give us your notes already!

Did the witness lose her report in the last hour and a half????

mydailyopinions
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
Casey has been with JB longer than she had been with Caylee.

:ohwow: I never even thought of that.. How terribly sad. But you know, it means she's been with a truly loving parent longer than the one who gave birth to her- Jesus!

sleutherontheside
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
Can JB not provide a copy to her for Gawd's sake?

lmcgill
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
:eek:

I believe that because earlier I heard JB state something to the fact of "she told me last night". I can't recall at what point that was...

wallflower67
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
oh thank God

Pita
06-16-2011, 01:44 PM
Tweet said no other witnesses waiting...guess this witness will be here all day..

No twelve jurors are going to give Casey one free murder.

cityslick
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
He did announce in open court they talked last night, which definitely caught my curiosity. Makes me wonder....

How does have dinner = accept gratuity?

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
unprepared?

Not a good message to send the jury, that's for sure.

pipkins
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
baez is underhanded methinks!

Quiche
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
Sheesh.

Wholehearted
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
I've noticed juror 4 taking notes today. She's not a big note taker.

by bobkealing via twitter at 12:37 PM

This makes me nervous. I've never been nervous about Juror 4 before, although I know some have. But why take notes about this stuff? Unless she knows it'll be hard to remember? But even so, it doesn't seem like the witnesses actually said much, so...

shezcrafti
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
Casey has been with JB longer than she had been with Caylee.

Wow. That really puts things in perspective.

Scamperoo
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
I read a post earlier today that the woman currently testifying had dinner with Baez last night. Don't know who reported it, but apparently they were seen. This woman is an employee of the FBI, correct? Since when is it okay for a government employee to accept any gratuity from anyone involved in a case in which she is testifying?????? Even if she paid for her own dinner, it is the perception that is objectionable. I am a retired state employee in HR, and in my career, this would never have been allowed.

Is she still an employee of the FBI? I already said I thought they were comfy together but her and Baez...ew

momtective
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/3yearsagoCayleedied1.jpg

And her daughter died 3 years ago today!

Wishbone
06-16-2011, 01:46 PM
Can JB not provide a copy to her for Gawd's sake?


That would mess up the whole plan to drag this testimony out until everyone falls asleep

luv
06-16-2011, 01:46 PM
KC does NOT appear to like this witness. She's giving her the sideways, lids half-closed, stare of death she has given to most female witnesses. Perhaps she caught that this witness and JB had dinner or spoke - whatever - last night.

http://i52.tinypic.com/xdvza1.jpg

SATA
06-16-2011, 01:46 PM
all coy and blinking and laughing....what a mess.

And all that on the three-year anniversary of Caylee´s death......

R.I.P. little Caylee. :rose: Such a shame you had a mother who didn´t care for you.

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:46 PM
Car seat from Pontiac...no blood.

(Ugh, here we go again.)

Quiche
06-16-2011, 01:46 PM
No blood on the car seat, color me stunned.

mitzi
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
KC does NOT appear to like this witness. She's giving her the sideways, lids half-closed, stare of death she has given to most female witnesses. Perhaps she caught that this witness and JB had dinner or spoke - whatever - last night.

Wonder if they had chili.

What'sThatClue
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
Q47 - results, no presence of blood (car seat)
Q48 - Steering Wheel Cover no biological items

grammieto5
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
I read a post earlier today that the woman currently testifying had dinner with Baez last night. Don't know who reported it, but apparently they were seen. This woman is an employee of the FBI, correct? Since when is it okay for a government employee to accept any gratuity from anyone involved in a case in which she is testifying?????? Even if she paid for her own dinner, it is the perception that is objectionable. I am a retired state employee in HR, and in my career, this would never have been allowed.

Well earlier JB referenced asking this witness a question last night ???

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
Steering wheel...no blood.

pipkins
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
This witness is annoying to me. All her side comments and wanting to explain.....

absolutely - Im getting the feeling that she and Baez are friends - I dont get the feeling that shes impartial

sleutherontheside
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
JB is exhibiting some sort of strange flirtatious behavior that is inducing increasing symptoms of nausea in me.

Studio_Medic
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
When will this be over? The trial? Please and thanks.

As Ws'er technicalconfusion posted this morning "10 years, 8 days". And at the rate we are going I almost tend to believe that....:floorlaugh:

coloradoteacher
06-16-2011, 01:47 PM
Thank god for cross!!!!

MissDiva
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Cross-examination. Finally.

Mohabi
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Cross......finally!

ella971
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
My Mom is rolling in her grave watching him! Mom worked for a judge for 14 years.

nursebeeme
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
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bumping up

2goldfish
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Tweet said no other witnesses waiting...guess this witness will be here all day..

No twelve jurors are going to give Casey one free murder.


I find it hard to believe that even JB could keep her on the stand all day.


I'm betting next witness is already in the courtroom.

hannahsnana
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
How does have dinner = accept gratuity?

I just explained why. If he paid for dinner, that's a no-no. If she paid for her own, it's still the perception to the public that's important. That is not acceptable ethically for any government employee.

Brattigirle
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Wow I feel like that was all a dead end.

crimejunkie
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Tweet said no other witnesses waiting...guess this witness will be here all day..

No twelve jurors are going to give Casey one free murder.

Can this really go on for another 3 hours!!??? EEK! I won't make it!

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
No further questions? Halleluja!!

AquaEyes
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Did Lee Anthony ever claim to have done the chloroform and other internet searches?
Someone I know said that he did, I don't recall that.

pcrum12
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
This witness is annoying to me. All her side comments and wanting to explain.....

The prosecution witnesses were aloud to elaborate and explain even when the DT was asking a yes or no question. Shouldn't be any difference made between sides.

MissJames
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Lending my copy of Zen and the Art of Happiness to JA.

Shoot! I thought that was a link. How long will the defense take? Weeks?

nursebeeme
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
I'm going to try to clarify a few things so hopefully we are a little clearer about what is okay to post in this thread and what is to be saved for Sidebar. Hope this helps. :)

Re: posting Tweets - Previously we have requested that all tweets be restricted from this thread and posted in the Twitter thread. Posting single tweets from anyone inside the courroom that can shed light on what we are unable to see via our monitors are fine to post here. (note: repetitive, multiple posts of the same tweet will be removed at mod discretion so they do not clog up the thread.) Most all of these will be from MSM reporters - I really can't think of any exceptions off of the top of my head. If they can tell us how jurors are reacting, that is huge, relevant info and we need to see it here. I ask that those of you who do post tweets still include them in the Twitter thread because we have many members who log in for a quick update and depend solely on that thread.


Re: posting about the demeanor of the defendant or witnesses -
This is the deal:
It is perfectly fine to post FACTS & OBSERVATIONS about their demeanor. (e.g., Casey is emotionless; Casey is giggling while listening to this testimony, etc...)

It is the "Casey's blouse is so low cut she must be trying to get the attention of Juror #11, the George Clooney look-a-like"; "eyebrows and hair" ('nuff said :aktion1:). Bottom line, if it doesn't add anything to understanding what is going on during TRIAL, then save these comments and post them in the Sidebar. Express those sentiments there. (Remember! TOS and Rules of Etiquette still apply in Sidebar: no namecalling, bashing and derogatory remarks simply intended to be snarky.)


Okay, I hope that helps clarify a few things.
bumping up

GiantPickle
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
crosssssss examination !

Ms.Heather
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Finallyyyy!!!

mitzi
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Thank GAWD!

LolaMoon08
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Finally!!! Jeff Ashton is up!! Bring it home for Caylee, Jeff!

nomoresorrow
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Geez I dozed off and just woke up to see that JB still has the same witness on the stand - it should have taken that long to extract the info he needed/wanted from her. This poor jury.

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Is she still an employee of the FBI? I already said I thought they were comfy together but her and Baez...ew

Heather Seubert remains on stand. She is now a FBI chief but in 2008 she was a part of the DNA unit and tested a # of items in this case

by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:46 PM

sophie01
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
I have no further questions. Finally !!!!! JA up.

Broderick
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
And all that on the three-year anniversary of Caylee´s death......

R.I.P. little Caylee. :rose: Such a shame you had a mother who didn´t care for you.

I don't see how the subtle stab on the anniversary can not be seen by the immediate family. What a day to be jovial and wear white, almost a celebration in my mind on a sad day.

TigerBalm
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Finally, JA !!!!!!!!!!

:bow:

JSR
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/k1b8k0.jpg

She's so happy that she's destroying her family with this trial.

kpalma715
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Yayyyyyyy!!! JA is finally doing his cross examination! I am sure this will be very fast and explainable!!!:great:

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Phenol faline (sp) test reacts to hema portion of blood.

Still...why do I care?

suzihawk
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
IMO ICA looks awful and haunted

Only before the jury. She was absolutely giddy with joy just moments before the jury came in.

Quiche
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
She's responding well to intelligent questions, imo.

Amster
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Why is this witness yelling??

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Juror 4 took few notes during the prosecution, but a lot for defense. Just watched her turn to a new page of her pad.

by stevehelling via twitter at 12:49 PM

~PrinceSSa~
06-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Car seat from Pontiac...no blood.

(Ugh, here we go again.)

no blood cuz she drowned, remember?:banghead:

Broderick
06-16-2011, 01:50 PM
She's so happy that she's destroying her family with this trial.

I think she still has immense hatred for Caylee.

Tulessa
06-16-2011, 01:50 PM
Links in siggy.

Salem
06-16-2011, 01:50 PM
JA is asking the question we want an answer to! Woo Hoo!

Emeralgem
06-16-2011, 01:50 PM
As I thought hemoglobin breaks down during decomposition.

technicalconfusion
06-16-2011, 01:50 PM
As Ws'er technicalconfusion posted this morning "10 years, 8 days". And at the rate we are going I almost tend to believe that....:floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh:

Linda7NJ
06-16-2011, 01:50 PM
Did Lee Anthony ever claim to have done the chloroform and other internet searches?
Someone I know said that he did, I don't recall that.


He said, no. He has NEVEr searched for chloroform

my2sense
06-16-2011, 01:50 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/debjobt/34.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/debjobt/happbus.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/debjobt/sohappyleebus.jpg

MissDiva
06-16-2011, 01:51 PM
Shoot! I thought that was a link. How long will the defense take? Weeks?

Ugh, I hope not. And sorry! But it's a great book worth buying anyway.

Basically states that everything that happens is for the best possible outcome.

I have faith in what's going to happen.

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:51 PM
Decomposition fluid wouldn't neccesarily show in fenol whatever test.

fifteen89
06-16-2011, 01:51 PM
Juror 4 took few notes during the prosecution, but a lot for defense. Just watched her turn to a new page of her pad.

by stevehelling via twitter at 12:49 PM

She filled a whole page with notes from today???

Novice Seeker
06-16-2011, 01:51 PM
Baez just open a door??

5stars
06-16-2011, 01:51 PM
My candle will stay lit for Caylee today.

Soulmagent
06-16-2011, 01:51 PM
JB was on that objection. With a proper cause even.

Disguiseduser0308
06-16-2011, 01:52 PM
JA is so succinct I cannot help but admire him standing up there, fighting for Caylee in his purple shirt and tie. Blessings to the SA for keeping Caylee front and center on this sad anniversary.

Mendara
06-16-2011, 01:52 PM
Is she a witness for the defense?

Curious Me
06-16-2011, 01:52 PM
JA introduces the fluid in the trunk as being some kind of decomp but not whole blood cells. JB is going bananas.

Amster
06-16-2011, 01:52 PM
Dang....witness is biased, big time!!

npcougar
06-16-2011, 01:52 PM
Wow this witness is really trying to help the defense.

JSR
06-16-2011, 01:52 PM
This witness is really fighting JA. She's not as comfortable with him.

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:52 PM
She filled a whole page with notes from today???

It sure sounds that way. :(

Salem
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
JB is not liking this! Watch his face if you can see him. He keeps shaking his head no and yes.

luv
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/t7gwfk.jpg

Quiche
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
She filled a whole page with notes from today???

It's probably a new page for the cross examination. mo

KenoshaKid
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
DNA degrades as body decomposes.

coloradoteacher
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
"it is possible it could be decomposition fluid" says the witness.
Point one for JA

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
Baez shaking his head because JA scored a big point on decomp. fluid.

kpalma715
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
Anyone get a screen shot of JB making faces the jury??? Its annoying the crap out of me!!!!!!!!!

JSR
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
absolutely - Im getting the feeling that she and Baez are friends - I dont get the feeling that shes impartial

I get the same impression.

sophie01
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
Juror 4 took few notes during the prosecution, but a lot for defense. Just watched her turn to a new page of her pad.

by stevehelling via twitter at 12:49 PM

Yes... I heard this on IS.... makes me very uncomfortable.... wish she would be removed for some reason.:banghead:

Sedona722
06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
IMO, this witness is sort of hostile to JA in her voice tone. She was sweet and friendly to JB in her voice tone.

1tasha
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
Juror 4 took few notes during the prosecution, but a lot for defense. Just watched her turn to a new page of her pad.

by stevehelling via twitter at 12:49 PM

Could be that it's because the defense is so convoluted? I hope.

grammieto5
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
I'm leaving to meet my daughter for lunch. I really hope KC doesn't take the stand while I'm gone.

jon_burrows
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
Dang....witness is biased, big time!!

I agree...she is evasive now. Not giving straight answers.

IMO

Mendara
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
This witness does not want to answer in favor of prosecution. MO

Plumeria5
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
JA- Ok, I got that straightened out!
He had to p-u-l-l it out of her!!

BetteDavisEyes
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
I'm just joining the discussion and haven't had a chance to catch up on the morning session. Did Baez do all of the questioning then? I can't believe that he won't allow other members of the defense team to share some of the duties for their client. jmo

Judge seemed to be giving Casey "a look" as he stood behind her in the courtroom. Boy, would I love to know what he thinks of the defendant.

sophie01
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
I get the same impression.

Me too... it's like pulling teeth to get an answer for JA.

coloradoteacher
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
DNA is diminished as a body starts to decompose!!!! JA is on a roll..

eaglemom
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
Witness finally answered that her test would not test positive for decomp - her answers are very technical and difficult to follow

Soulmagent
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
LMAO@ JA and the chart.

Emeralgem
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
Finally... She agreed with JA..

luv
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/w1cxu8.jpg

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
So could be decomp fluid. Got it. Next.

Brattigirle
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
I LOVE LOVE LOVE when JA uses Jose's charts....lol

Softail
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
She just said no DNA because decomp would destroy it.

JSR
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
Juror 4 took few notes during the prosecution, but a lot for defense. Just watched her turn to a new page of her pad.

by stevehelling via twitter at 12:49 PM

God I hate that. We have a real chance of this being a hung jury. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Juror 4 hangs it.

pipkins
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
Baez is pizzed cos JA gonna write on his board!

ExpectingUnicorns
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
I just explained why. If he paid for dinner, that's a no-no. If she paid for her own, it's still the perception to the public that's important. That is not acceptable ethically for any government employee.

Worked for the office of the AF Auditor General for several years and can verify that this is considered a huge no-no by them! Even the appearance of partiality is cause for suspicion and so important that it's almost their mantra.

kpalma715
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
I dont like this witness anymore!!! She works for the FBI??? SMH

Mendara
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
HAHA JA consulting JB's graph on his flipo chart.

LolaMoon08
06-16-2011, 01:55 PM
I love how Jose gets all protective over his pad of paper. :floorlaugh:

Mohabi
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
IMO, this witness is sort of hostile to JA in her voice tone. She was sweet and friendly to JB in her voice tone.

I agree.

anb
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
Casey looks so smug while listening to this testimony. Like she's got it in the bag. UGH!

Dr. Know?
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
JA using the the handy dandy giant notepad! Jose jumps!

adb263
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
O/T.......Can anyone else feel the tension rising in the courtroom??

Please everyone take good notes as I have to take son to dentist....DRAT!!!

(please don't let ICA take stand while I am gone)

Mendara
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
what is she talking about ugh.

Rapunzel
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
This witness is really fighting JA. She's not as comfortable with him.

Guess that's because she had dindin last night with JB.

Baznme
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
I just explained why. If he paid for dinner, that's a no-no. If she paid for her own, it's still the perception to the public that's important. That is not acceptable ethically for any government employee.

As high a profile case that this is, I hardly think she would allow anyone to pay for her dinner. She pays for her own and puts it on her expense report to be reimbursed either for what she paid or per diem (allowed amount for that meal). Personally, I really don't care who paid but because some do, I firmly believe she was very careful about such things. It's not worth losing her job over.

TiaM
06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
OMG look how rumpled his giant pad of paper is now! :floorlaugh:

Did everyone stampede out to lunch, knock it down and run over it? :floorlaugh:

What'sThatClue
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
If I were a juror I'd want her to speak in plain language instead of all this technical stuff...no worries tho, JA will pull it out of her eventually.

Blue Ridge
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
God I hate that. We have a real chance of this being a hung jury. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Juror 4 hangs it.

Is it possible she could end up being an alternate?

TexasDoll
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
*snooze*

liltexans
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
#CaseyAnthony It's almost as if Ashton is trying to say, Okay everyone, Baez confused you..now I'll clear this up.
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 12:56 PM

Seubert tells jury as body decomposes the likelihood of finding DNA goes down. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:56 PM

#CaseyAnthony Ashton now using Baez's chart from earlier DNA lesson and saying "What does this really mean?"
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 12:55 PM

#CaseyAnthony Seubert: The likelhood of finding DNA diminishes as the body starts to decompose
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 12:54 PM

Seubert says her tests can ONLY say if there was blood or not. Not show if it's decomp fluid. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:54 PM

ella971
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
God I hate that. We have a real chance of this being a hung jury. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Juror 4 hangs it.

I hate to ask this question but is that really possible?

suzihawk
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/3yearsagoCayleedied1.jpg

And her daughter died 3 years ago today!

Respectfully corrected. She KILLED her daughter 3 years ago today. In my opinion, that is. :)

MissDiva
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
I wish the witness would lower her volume....a LOT. Argh.

Aedrys
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
I am just disgusted at how happy and giggly Casey is. I would like to smack it off of her face. My God, Casey, could you BE more soulless on the day you murdered your daughter? It's about CAYLEE, NOT YOU! I have never seen a defendant more uncaring and evil than Casey, never.

eaglemom
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
Talking about peak at 50 peak at amolagenen (sex chromosone) this is the X no Y thing again

jon_burrows
06-16-2011, 01:57 PM
She is intentionally speaking at a level that the jury cannot understand. Luckily she can't outwit JA.

IMO

fifteen89
06-16-2011, 01:58 PM
So could be decomp fluid. Got it. Next.

Is mock juror getting mock testy?? ;)

BD1
06-16-2011, 01:58 PM
Always interesting to me, the relationships between the state (cops, state attorneys) and the FBI. Often not very cozy, imo.

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 01:58 PM
"I can not give any information about what that peak means."

Why is she here, again? Just to say everything is inconclusive?

Novice Seeker
06-16-2011, 01:58 PM
Is she a witness for the defense?


Several are wondering....Case in point, when Baez began inquiring into Lee and a paternity test he was unable to provide proper direction for that specific line of questioning so the witness began to assist Baez by suggesting another set of dates and communications....

Stella5
06-16-2011, 01:58 PM
The last several hours of JB's little chart show has just been thrwarted by JA & the amazing Prosecution team. WTG SA's!!! Sit down Jose, you're done :)

Oakley
06-16-2011, 01:58 PM
I don't get this. Is she Jose's witness? Is she presently employed by the FBI? Why would she ever have dinner or outside conversations with JB? Isn't this trial by ambush, which JP warned against? I don't think the SA got to depose her. She seems to be less cooperative and forthcoming with JA than she was with JB, IMO.

Hamsterdance
06-16-2011, 01:58 PM
IMO she makes a face and pauses before answering JA.

Softail
06-16-2011, 01:58 PM
I am glad that JA knows DNA so well!

Kat
06-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Respectfully corrected. She KILLED her daughter 3 years ago today. In my opinion, that is. :)

very respectfully corrected suzi.

She murdered her daughter 3 years ago today. JMHO

I'm officially lost in testimony now. LOL. I'll have to let you all sort it out and read your posts :)

2goldfish
06-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Is it possible she could end up being an alternate?


nope.

Amster
06-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Witness just gave a little flirty grin to JB.

naturaleza
06-16-2011, 01:59 PM
16575

eaglemom
06-16-2011, 01:59 PM
When she was doing case work (wasn't being used - low copy number) she doesn't know if 50 could have been enhanced through low copy number to tell anything

wenwe4
06-16-2011, 01:59 PM
JA w/Seubert asks her to step down to paper notes of JB

50 referred peak threashold - reliable result - during cap. eletrotrophoresis process...end there is a laser - dna tagged fluroescence collect - based on how much is detected in each of the locations...50 RFU is lab determines enough in sample to determine....

peak @ 55 depending on which location....peak detected, based upon info. determined it was inconclusive - couldn't give info about what that peak actually means....consistent with male or female? only part of that chromosome is the X no Y present - there is a peak there but info cannot be given weight to conclusive.....

perform low copy number - initial beginning @ very start of dan analysis....@ time doing casework that was not being done.....can't and don't know
- it is possible but don't know


JA - discuss single result on sticky side tape = locus D3 - 17 alele below the threshhold....object - sidebar

Tiki
06-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Okay - I have no idea what she's talking about.
How is it that she can't use less "jargon" to make it easy for the jury like Dr. Vass did. I understood everything he said. :)

.

SleuthyMama
06-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Can JB not provide a copy to her for Gawd's sake?

Was that a serious question? :rolleyes:

Mountain_Kat
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
Is mock juror getting mock testy?? ;)

Yes. Because I don't understand how any of this means anything. No blood. Fine, didn't expect any. Could be decomp fluid? Okay, I already knew that. And so on and so forth.

I'm losing an entire day of my life here, so yep...getting a bit mock testy. ;)

coloradoteacher
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
JB wants a sidebar... perhaps he is not happy that so far JA has shown that all this information means nothing b/c it was inconclusive.

technicalconfusion
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
Objection your honor! He's messin up my paper!

miabellamoure
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
I don't get this. Is she Jose's witness? Is she presently employed by the FBI? Why would she ever have dinner or outside conversations with JB? Isn't this trial by ambush, which JP warned against? I don't think the SA got to depose her. She seems to be less cooperative and forthcoming with JA than she was with JB, IMO.

I have been feeling this too...what is up with her?

sophie01
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
Is it possible she could end up being an alternate?

Let's hope that is the case.:maddening:

Aedrys
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
Give it up, lady. Ashton INTRODUCED DNA into the courtroom. You are NOT going to beat him!

Mendara
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
JA should rip the page off and crumble it up into a ball hold it in his hand and say "So this means nothing as pertains to this case, correct?"

then when she says yes - toss it at JB and say "No further questions".

MO

SATA
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
i love love love when ja uses jose's charts....lol


lololol

sheri21
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
This lady is unable to say yes or no. I liked her this morning, now I wanna stick pencils in my eyes.

Yes or no. Not a dissertation on every single question.

katydid23
06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
I hate to ask this question but is that really possible?

I don't think this jury would do that to Judge Perry. They LOVE him. Juror #4 really loves him too I bet. And he spoils them and coddles them. I do not think they would do that to him.

Novice Seeker
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
I don't get this. Is she Jose's witness? Is she presently employed by the FBI? Why would she ever have dinner or outside conversations with JB? Isn't this trial by ambush, which JP warned against? I don't think the SA got to depose her. She seems to be less cooperative and forthcoming with JA than she was with JB, IMO.



Makes you wonder if Baez threw that out as if.....

Hamsterdance
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
Comment from blogger on WFTV- JA destroyed 2 1/2 hours of testimony in 2 1/2 minutes, Bill Shaeffer agrees.

Plumeria5
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
OMG look how rumpled his giant pad of paper is now! :floorlaugh:

Did everyone stampede out to lunch, knock it down and run over it? :floorlaugh:

Maybe he autographed a bunch of pages in his pad for fans. They refused to take them. He wadded up his pages in anger...???:innocent:

gitana1
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
I may not be understanding this witness, but it seems she knows what JA is trying to get, the points he's trying to make and she knows they are valid ones but seems to dance. Am I misunderstanding?

MissDiva
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
Can JB not provide a copy to her for Gawd's sake?

He could, but that pesky photocopier would just print the pages out of order and completely omit the one in question.

lowens1975
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
Is there someone in the courtroom with a microphone that we can't see? I hope that what I heard was somebody shifting in their chair.:floorlaugh:

reeseeva
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
"Jeff Ashton does not suffer fools lightly" (Bill Schaeffer) He needs to control his emotions.

JSR
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
JA is so succinct I cannot help but admire him standing up there, fighting for Caylee in his purple shirt and tie. Blessings to the SA for keeping Caylee front and center on this sad anniversary.

Is LDB also wearing purple today? How great would it be if they were all wearing purple especially today.

MissDiva
06-16-2011, 02:01 PM
I may not be understanding this witness, but it seems she knows what JA is trying to get, the points he's trying to make and she knows they are valid ones but seems to dance. Am I misunderstanding?

That's what I'm getting.

Softail
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
:lol: BS talking about JA and when he gets riled up - "He doesn't suffer fools lightly"

kpalma715
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
Always interesting to me, the relationships between the state (cops, state attorneys) and the FBI. Often not very cozy, imo.

My question is, how much did her and JB drink together at dinner and ummm, did they leave together?????

coloradoteacher
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
Comment from blogger on WFTV- JA destroyed 2 1/2 hours of testimony in 2 1/2 minutes, Bill Shaeffer agrees.

AWESOME twitter.

mombomb
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
HHJBP to JB - do we know what your next question will be?

Question was: Were you asked to conduct a paternity test for LA, as to Caylee, potential father?

OBJECTION BY JA - not relevant as to whether anyone asked.

JB - I can rephrase the question. Did you conduct a paternity test.

JURY RETURNED

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF HEATHER SEUBERT BY JB - continued

JB - I wanted to ask you, did you conduct a paternity test to determine if LA was the biological father of Caylee?

Witness - Referring to her 12/16/08 report, page 3, this report does not address this question. She then looked at JB's copy of the report and read:

Based on the STR typing results, the DNA obtained from Q-18.1 could not have originated from a biological offspring of K-9, LA.

Tests not done very often?

OBJECTION - relevance - SUSTAINED.

Q-47 (photo of car seat) (Stipulation to discuss without objection) It was examined for blood - chemical testing was negative. No further testing done.
Q-48 (steering wheel cover) Visually examined - none observed, so no chemical testing was done.
Q-55 (debris from spare tire wheel well)
Q-56 (swap from spare tire wheel well)

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY JB

CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA:

Ex. 15 - swabs from spare tire cover - presumptive test for blood.

Phenolphthalein test reacts to the heen(?) portion of the blood. As a body decomposes, the hemoglobin portion also decomposes and would not react.

The stain had been identified as decomp fluid

OBJECTION BY JB =- facts not in evidence - OVERRULED

OBJECTION BY JB - misstates facts - OVERRULED

She could not say if there was decomp fluid there. All she could say that it did not react to blood.

OBJECTION BY JB - misstates witness testimony - SUSTAINED

Based on her testing results - negative - she can't testify to anything other than it was negative to the presence of blood. She did not detect any other fluid.

Could the stain still be decomp fluid?

OBJECTION BY JB - OVERRULED.

It is possible. All she could say it was blood.

When cells decompose, the DNA will start to degrade. In order for her testing to work, the DNA strands need to be in tact - sometimes portions will work.

OBJECTION BY JB - asked and answered - SUSTAINED.

Generally, with decomposing cells, you don't expect to find DNA? Right.

Regarding the chart she did on JB's easel, the result of 55 RFU - 50 is the peak amplitude threshold for a reliable peak result. The peak at 55 - depending on where it was detected - in this case at amelogenin - she determined it was inconclusive. The amelogenin is the sex chromosome. It is consistent with male or female - there is only X - no Y. Low copy number technique could not have been done at the time and she does not know what that would have resulted in.

Regarding single result on the sticky side of the tape - Locus D-3, 17 allele - well below the threshold.

Was there someone tested in the lab... Witness - yes ....

OBJECTION BY JB - May I approach?

SIDEBAR #7

eaglemom
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
This lady is unable to say yes or no. I liked her this morning, now I wanna stick pencils in my eyes.

Yes or no. Not a dissertation on every single question.

It's like Cindy Anthony FBI style -

MOO

adb263
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
Comment from blogger on WFTV- JA destroyed 2 1/2 hours of testimony in 2 1/2 minutes, Bill Shaeffer agrees.

:great::great::great::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Phoebeb
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
I don't think the jury will make the connection that LE asked for LA paternity test because someone in LE suspected incest in this family. There is too much technical info today. IMO.

TiaM
06-16-2011, 02:03 PM
CM hiding his mouth at sidebar, forgetting that we will all see what is being said just as soon as a newstation or newspaper gets the transcripts.

momtective
06-16-2011, 02:03 PM
Respectfully corrected. She KILLED her daughter 3 years ago today. In my opinion, that is. :)

Yes,you are correct...thank you! I will correct my verbiage in all future posts.