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strawberry
06-17-2011, 02:19 PM
Such a shame...this young man is about to be so humiliated, he's going to feel like a school boy by the time JA gets through with him.

I know...and he is bright red. It's that kind of blush where you blush because you're embarrassed then you blush more because you're embarrassed that you are blushing.

gypsyblue
06-17-2011, 02:19 PM
be honest.... your still getting paid to fail for the defense....

Themis
06-17-2011, 02:19 PM
This is kind of gross-I grew up on a farm in Indiana, the vet would come out and de-horn the young cattle in the summer, the blowflys were there instantly, they would lay eggs in the open wound where the horn was and before long there were maggots, we had spray (it was purple!) to kill them.
Another name for blowflys here is "s**tflys" because they like to swarm around the manure, too.
Flies (not sure if they were coffin flies or not but they were black) would swarm around the cattle, we would spray the cows with flyspray when we milked them.
Lots of flies on the farm! Yuck-I hate them!
There are apparently about 120,000 known species of flies (Info from Wikipedia).

Eidetic
06-17-2011, 02:19 PM
Mr. Ashton knows his stuff. He knows how important this week is. "Let's assume today is day one." :( Right on the money.
Talking about the 95 degree temperature right now and how the witness has experienced it for himself.

grammieto5
06-17-2011, 02:19 PM
This witness needs to stop saying "assume" when one assumes they are making an a$$ out of u and me

ohiogirl
06-17-2011, 02:19 PM
Maybe JA should just ask him what equation HE used to assume his assumptions.

MaryAnn
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Love JA, he's brilliant!!!

Elley Mae
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
#CaseyAnthony Ashton: how long was body at Suburban Drive? Huntington: placed there 2-3 days post mortem. #CayleeAnthony
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:18 PM

Ashton is asking how long does TH think the body was somewhere else? Huntington says assuming environmental conditions - about 2-4 days
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:18 PM

I loved hearing him say that

amayla
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
This witness seems very nervous answering questions for JA. He is hesitating a lot with answers.

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Baez looks unhappy that defense witness told the state the body had been there since 2-4 days after death
39 seconds ago

fifteen89
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
"early colonizers" .....
Maybe JB should call Christopher Columbus.

Lovejac
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Is JA going to be allowed to ask this witness about DT contacting them on the day the remains were found (BEFORE it was confirmed that it was Caylee)?

Solomisskitty
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Such a shame...this young man is about to be so humiliated, he's going to feel like a school boy by the time JA gets through with him.

Well look at him....what is he, about 12?

momtective
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Witness: Let's say the body were in a refrigerator...

ICA's reaction.
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/2.jpg

summerthyme
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Witness needs to borrow JB's blackberry and get answers from LKB. :floorlaugh:

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
very wiggly witness.

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
This will make it much tougher for defense to say Roy Kronk put body there later.
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:19 PM

Florida Native
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
SLAM! JA just said, let's say today is day 1. You know it is 95 degrees outside....

That gave me chills. JA is on!

Mendara
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
THis witness keeps saying everything "depends on the circumstances" when JA points out something in favor of the prosecution.

watchinginky
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
I am REALLY tired of listening to this guy.

GreenTeam
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
Good parent flies that care about their kids, LOL!

whiteangora
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: JA is burying this guy. I feel bad for him

I don't feel sorry for anyone who associates with Baez.
(sleep with dogs, you get fleas)

strawberry
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
And again a bug guy testifies bugs are better mothers than ICA. Who, by the way is listening dispassionately.

Ms.Heather
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
any other parent besides the defendant

Donjeta
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
I don't think this is going how JB wanted it to.

dsntslp
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbqWMzgH7rsMZui_qNw_nVBHbVZXobP LymrmDJGbAJtOVvYzjzvw Blow Fly

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzb_gpoqHB4wN_UYQE4dDy0TuSVISYz bcnqddxCiUiIEqc6706_Q Coffin FlyYEP! The flies in my garden that summer, along with weird beetles never seen before or since. TY TY for the pics

Just Jayla
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
Just like any other parent....except KC.

kantoo
06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
dumb question here.....do the jury realize the difference of the times/temps/locations from this guy's study and Caylee's remains? Has JA spelled it out?

texaslb218
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
I feel sorta slimy!

Linda7NJ
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
"early colonizers" .....
Maybe JB should call Christopher Columbus.
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: POst of the day!

MaryAnn
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Even the Flies care more about their offspring than ICA did!!

logicalgirl
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Witness hesitating to answer.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: - of course he is hesitating - who steps willingly up to a guillotine!

Turnadot
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
I can hardly contain my glee. Within 15 minutes, JA crushed Baez's hours of direct.

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
quibbling over early colonizers

FaerieB
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
stevehelling Steve Helling
Some jurors taking notes during the cross. They're all paying attention.

Marina2
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
per the witness... even flies care about their children.

Stella5
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
"Just like any other parent, they want their off-spring to do well..." Any parent except ICA, who preferred to murder her child and throw her away like trash & garbarge. IMOO.

pipkins
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Witness - just like any other parent - they want thier kids do do well

BA BA BOOM

Mendara
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
That gave me chills. JA is on!

Three years ago today it was.

CementPond
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Poor guy doesn't know how to answer.

MissJames
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Oh Yes!!! The FLIES WANT THEIR OFFSPRING TO DO WELL JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PARENT!

MissDiva
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Oh God, I keep hoping the witness says, "Come on, give me a break, ok?"

technicalconfusion
06-17-2011, 02:22 PM
OK he just said - in relation to bugs

Like any other parent they want their kids to do well....

TiaM
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
I think the witness is very likable.

I think so too. I don't think he is necessarily defense oriented. I just think he did his experiment with trying to see if he could duplicate things, yet rebut the State's theory. Trying to make a name for himself.

I just think he tried too hard, and is not admitting that the conditions were in fact not similar enough. And that he doesn't have all the information. You know the defense only told/gave him what LKB thought he needed to come up with something different.

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
Some jurors taking notes during the cross. They're all paying attention.
by stevehelling via twitter at 1:21 PM

biggirl
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
I wonder if Dr. Haskell is watching this testimony???

NocturnalLady
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
JA - Why aren't the early colonizers there if the body was available to them?
TH - Because of post mortem body movement.
JA - But don't the flies go with the body?

Curious Me
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
There is a definite cut off point where a fly or maggot is not attracted to some laying egg places even tho' there's still food. Witness is claiming the early colonizers went away from disinterest?

fifteen89
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
Yes, during Frye Hearings, Dr. Vass said they actually did an experiment, iirc.

I don't remember - did Casey's 'squirrel' excuse get in testimony in front of the jury?

strawberry
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
If I were listening to description of my daughter's body as a food source you would have to commit me.

robotdog
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
the attitude of the witness is so obviously working overtime....try try try as he might to obviscate the story to fit the defense side..

he is playing a violin as the titanic is sinking

this is PAINFUL and DELICIOUS to watch
:floorlaugh:

The Eunice Burns
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
This is why I said in Sidebar thread to keep the faith. Do the doubters really think JA would leave the SA's case wanting for something?

Lanie
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
I do not like this guy anymore. It just seems to me if a person stands behind their testimony/opinions, they wouldnt struggle so much answering simple questions.

Azcrabcakes
06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
This kid is going to be slaughtered, here and now. imoo

Hopefully. But kindly I hope.
Dr. Huntington has a decomposing pig on his site!
He IS a doctor of decomposition!:yuck:
http://estrada.cune.edu/facweb/timothy.huntington/index.htm

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
By testimony of when remains were deposited in woods-defense has to allege George dumped body.
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:22 PM

logicalgirl
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
Oh dear - this is bad!!! I hope Dr. Haskell is watching this and redoing his notes to how he teaches his students.

Mendara
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
JA: so you are saying the insects were washed off?

Witnes: did not say that

JA: But the insects go with the body - that is their food

Witness: insects blah blah

JA: YOu are trying to say the body was move at the EXACT time the bugs laid their eggs and left the body???

Witness: There are several scenarios.

Bon
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: JA is burying this guy. I feel bad for him

I don't feel bad for him at all.....................:crazy:

Look what JB did to all of the SA witnesses???

MissJames
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
Witness - just like any other parent - they want thier kids do do well

BA BA BOOM

This expert has completely disassociated his testimony of flies from that of a mother killing her daughter,in his mind.

suzihawk
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
All I'm hearing is...

it depends
it depends
it depends

Agent99
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
I actually feel sorry for this guy...he is so in over his head!

pipkins
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
ja' s voice is shaking - he's so passionate about this

Donjeta
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
Does this guy know that the scene was under water?!

Just Jayla
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
I think so too. I don't think he is necessarily defense oriented. I just think he did his experiment with trying to see if he could duplicate things, yet rebut the State's theory. Trying to make a name for himself.

I just think he tried too hard, and is not admitting that the conditions were in fact not similar enough. And that he doesn't have all the information. You know the defense only told/gave him what LKB thought he needed to come up with something different.

And if she were there, this might be going very differently...

adb263
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
JB is going to ask if the witness needs to check his sugar!! That is why he getting confused!!

TiaM
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
"early colonizers" .....
Maybe JB should call Christopher Columbus.

Or Pilgrims.

Or perhaps Vasco De Gama (the explorer not the kidnapper)

Eidetic
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
Does this witness even know Caylee's remains were under water while bagged at some point?

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
Going over scenarios to account for absence of early colonizers?

grammieto5
06-17-2011, 02:24 PM
Does this witness know baby Caylee was buried under water for months?

strach304
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
This guy is a lousy expert witness.

katydid23
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
JA is trapping the witness into laying out possible scenarios...perfect trap like a spider to a fly.

kathyn2
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
When you lie, it is hard to tell your story Mr. Huntington. If you would be honest and tell the truth, it would be alot easier to get your information off. Stop trying to give this defense what it wants at the cost of your reputation!

angeleleven
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
I love JA!

Elley Mae
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
This is so wonderful that the State has this opportunity to interview this expert at the Defenses expence

Mendara
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
JA: What about the 4th scenario that the body was not accesible? Isn't that the scenario you're forgetting?

AHAHAHHAHAHAHh

amayla
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
It is painful for me to listen to this witness. He seems to have a hard time answering direct questions.

Just Jayla
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
This guy is confusing himself....the body was found with flies but the flies would only have been with the body 2-3 days?

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
Could it be the body was not accessable?
No, [bug] bodies were recovered, showing they did have access.

Bon
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
I actually feel sorry for this guy...he is so in over his head!

Not me, let him sink,sink, sink
This is all about Caylee :)

texaslb218
06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
Pigs are flying! YEA!

Donjeta
06-17-2011, 02:26 PM
It makes sense to me. It's a trunk. It's sometimes open, sometimes closed. So they sometimes have access and sometimes not.

TigerBalm
06-17-2011, 02:26 PM
#CaseyAnthony Ha! Huntingon just said like any parent, flies want their children to do well. Didn't know flies have parenting skills

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:26 PM
YES! JA's scenario is possible.

TexasDoll
06-17-2011, 02:26 PM
Why is this witness so reluctant to answer honestly?!

FaerieB
06-17-2011, 02:26 PM
stevehelling Steve Helling
Juror 15 was that girl in high school who took really complete notes. #CaseyAnthony

TiaM
06-17-2011, 02:26 PM
I don't think this is going how JB wanted it to.

I expect the witness to have to go to the restroom to check his blood sugar any moment now. Conveniently accompanied by a defense team member with a Smartphone, of course.

Oakley
06-17-2011, 02:26 PM
"ANYTHING is possible" ?????? Says the young PhD

Softail
06-17-2011, 02:26 PM
WOW! Witness saying Anything is possible.

Hisimage
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Off topic wrong thread again, apologies.....

whiteangora
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
JA needs to calm down, poor thing is on the edge.

kathyn2
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
This witness looks VERY dishonest. If I were a juror I wouldn't believe him for a minute. Dr. Haskell wins hands down.

grandmaj
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
OMG I almost feel bad for this guy..... he is eating his words. And Casey is not happy.

Donjeta
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Witness: "Anything is possible."

Okay, so why is he even there if he can't rule out any scenario?

texaslb218
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
What if this guy breaks down and cries??? Yikes.

wenwe4
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
JA objects Dr. H testify to botany....out of scope object - overrule


did you find early colonizers within the bag - blow flies 3 examples - early colonizers found in area A where remains found...only early colonizer was from the bag itself....reinforces that the body was moved....after decomp process in bag or container you would expect some insects to made it pupal stage moved with the body...not finding them if the body would have decomposed at that site would have been found with the body and in much greater numbers....


Cross exam - Dr. H - JA

do mean to suggest this body was fully skeletonized and then moved....early stages of decomposed....when said body decomposed elsewhere - primarily refer to early stages of decomp defined as ......number ways to describe most taphony between 3-24 stages ...he described 5 stages -fresh,bloat, early/active, advance decay and remains.

early - fresh and or bloat and end of active decay possible.....how long does it take on a child's body....not sure research how many degree days on a small child between 2 and 3 years...accumulated degree days - math avg. temp times number of days....object- finish answer....
fill it in for us...

accumulated degree day average daily temp minus the threshhold temp....it is important there are some scientists who don't think you need to do that.....minimum base threshhold temp - there is a temp at which bio process stops - depending on the process depends on the temp ...math construct no real bio meaning other than math works use correct temp.....2 days @ 90 degrees? depends on bio process or insect species....decomp is temp dependant....used accumulated dgree days.....2 days @ 90 would be 180 accumulatd degree days....in terms of decomp or anything a min threshold of zero makes math easy ....not based on any specific model....could say min 20 degrees has no bio construct just math......

2 90 degree days equal how many 60 degree days.....1 1/2 averg temps...

2 days @ 90 degrees would equal 3 days of 60 degrees days...this body was at another location before moved to suburban drive? number of days....hard to say environment...if body was in fridge 0 could be months....very hot outside lets say today is day one (Yea! GO JA!)

95 degrees today - probably around 2-3 or maybe 4 days....with assumptions in mind body placed in finally found location - assume those conditions....remained in that location from that point foreward...if they were placed directly with that scene it would be consistently....nothing bout the scene that would refute that? he is hesitating but consistent with a lot of scenarios but yes......body was in another location as far as temp is assumed .....early colonizers unable to get to it? NO...there were early colonizers on thebody in very low numbers...had some access...at some point.....object- overrule

Dr. H insects had access to body in early decomp - body moved some point thereafter....body be inaccessable except for very late stage.....not talking about precise window it doesn't go from insects do like the body then dont - depends on the circumstances....definate window loose attraction to remains for food resource for offspring not attracted or colonize remains unfavorable to their offspring...@ some point flies switch off when remains no longer attractive....not attracted @ night time...lay eggs during day....can be the next day they won't....early colonizers on it and someone washed it off? didn't say that ...if body was available to them why weren't they there? not @ scene his opinion of post mortem movement - insects go with body that is their food source....if food source was with the remains ...where body was what it was contained in......between time eggs laid and larvae the body was moved? a couple examples work in this example....body moved late in feeding stages of maggots - left teh body in large numbers ony a few remain.....one scenario take much longer....

2nd large number of maggots remeoved andf then body transported.

3rd large number of maggots placed in bags and then moved....

4th scenario? body was inaccessible to flies? body had to be accessible to flies....early colonizers were associated with the body ...they did have access.....

JA grabs picture of bugs...flies gain access how long did it take...not simultaneous they all come @ once....not possible the body kept certain time inaccess to early colonizer then moved ....not possible? anything is possible....talk aboutthe one I asked it is possible? do you recall giving depO? recall giving 2 depos...

Dr. Haskell statement report - look @ his report

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Making him refer to Haskell's report.

watchinginky
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
JA using JB's exhibit of the decomp pig.

16604

logicalgirl
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Does this witness even know Caylee's remains were under water at some point?

Apparently not........

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
State is tearing up the defense expert
2 minutes ago

SATA
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
And again a bug guy testifies bugs are better mothers than ICA. Who, by the way is listening dispassionately.

He just did, didnīt he!!! I wish I remembered it word for word, but it was something like this:
"They (the cadaver flies), like all other species, want to create the best conditions for their offspring, so they will do well!"

So they are better parents than Casey, the coffin flies of whatever they are!!! I am sorry, but I have to laugh, even if this is very, very tragic! :floorlaugh:

Agent99
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
This guy is a lousy expert witness.

I agree...this guy does not impress me in the least!

21merc7
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
I never knew pig skulls closely resemble cow, dog, and opossum skulls. Not the worst decomp photo ever viewed.

This poor young man has walked right into his next college courses or study internships.

He could work at The Body Farm one day!

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
"ANYTHING is possible" ?????? Says the young PhD

Yeah, went from uber-precise to wide open.

katydid23
06-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Suddenly this witness is not sounding so confident or knowledgeable anymore.

mitzi
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Gotcha!

Boots-OK
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
The young doctor needs to just slap 3 pieces of duct tape on that decomposed pig and he would have done a thorough and complete job for the prosecution. IMOO

TortillaChip
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
good he is on the hot seat now. this witness is so unlikeable. And sneaky. I hope that the jury is picking up on it. He

ohiogirl
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Does this guy know that the scene was under water?!

You know, I thought he was talking about Suburban Dr. too, but I think he is still talking about the trunk. Idon't know, JA is just confusing me more with his questions.

Bon
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Why is this witness so reluctant to answer honestly?!

Because he is working for the DT

Mosby
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
He expects to find the flies/maggots interested in a sealed up bottle of tobacco spit, but not a dead body wrapped very good in garbage bags. That does not make any sense to me.


When you lie, it is hard to tell your story Mr. Huntington. If you would be honest and tell the truth, it would be alot easier to get your information off. Stop trying to give this defense what it wants at the cost of your reputation!


Why is this witness so reluctant to answer honestly?!

Because that is not what he was paid to do!

watchinginky
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Why is this witness so reluctant to answer honestly?!

This is ONLY my opinion....probably because he's being paid to be an expert witness for the defense.

bobloblaw
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Does this witness know baby Caylee was buried under water for months?


I've asked this question several times too. Has anyone pointed out to the jury that there was flooding?

Hamsterdance
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Pigs are flying! YEA!

LOL...I was about to post something similar... :innocent: JA waving JB photo of pig around...pigs finally flying, albeit a dead one :innocent:

adb263
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Why is this witness so reluctant to answer honestly?!

I think this witness knows where he went wrong and doesn't want to admit it!!

Turnadot
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
I don't begrudge an expert testifying for the defense. I get the whole dueling experts thing. But this expert, IMO, is just a hired gun, saying whatever will help the defense.

Mendara
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
JA is so angry because this testimony is so ridiculous.

Just Jayla
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
If the body was at the scene early on, why would there only be a few flies there? For all of you who have been in Florida, you know it is an ideal place for bugs of all types-They would have been on Caylee in abundance. They also would not have to come from very far to find her; in a wooded area such as the one Caylee was found in, there would be all sorts of carrion, feces, broken birds' eggs, etc. for these bugs to enjoy. They could live their whole little lives in those woods and never leave and be well fed and well able to reproduce.

logicalgirl
06-17-2011, 02:28 PM
You know - Decimated is actually quite a nice word, don't you think?

I've always liked it - it has a nice solid ring to it.

~PrinceSSa~
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
:clap:



per the witness... even flies care about their children.

Softail
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
I knew JA would "handle" this, but WOW! Blowing him out of the water!

Bon
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
Because that is not what he was paid to do!



:floorlaugh:

pipkins
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
KBelichWFTV:
Defense expert admitted the state's scenario is possible to explain lack of bugs

fifteen89
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
JA using JB's exhibit of the decomp pig.

16604

LOL. From your siggy: "Stop acting like a two-year old".
Jose Baez to Casey Anthony during jury selection

Casey's response was probably: "You first."

TortillaChip
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
ICA can hardly contain herself, she really thinks ten minutes at a time, and she thinks her team is winning.

FaerieB
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
*BIG* sigh from CM. LOL!

Azcrabcakes
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
I actually feel sorry for this guy...he is so in over his head!

I can't blame the witness too much. He knows his field... but he is young and inexperienced. Learned, yes, street-smart, not so much. He is really being poked, prodded and quartered on the stand.

truthsleuth
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
So far, this is a brutal cross examination. But a delicious brutal cross.

Soulmagent
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
Hopefully. But kindly I hope.
Dr. Huntington has a decomposing pig on his site!
He IS a doctor of decomposition!:yuck:
http://estrada.cune.edu/facweb/timothy.huntington/index.htm

EEK.

Ha j/k it does not bug me but see the black stain and the ring surrounding that stain.

whiteangora
06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
OMG I almost feel bad for this guy..... he is eating his words. And Casey is not happy.

If her jaw juts out any farther she will poke a juror in the eye.

Oakley
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Both Cheney Mason and George Anthony looking decidedly unhappy at the moment.

txanmom
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
stevehelling Steve Helling
Juror 15 was that girl in high school who took really complete notes. #CaseyAnthony

:floorlaugh:i resemble that remark!!:floorlaugh:

zoey
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
I've asked this question several times too. Has anyone pointed out to the jury that there was flooding?

not that I'm aware of....

Donjeta
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
I want them to ask him if the DT's check for him is still in the mail.

21merc7
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
CM and JB heaving out big sighs, CM even leaned head all the way back, they are not happy

JustMeDeb
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Now if this was TV, I would love to see JA smack his chest and say, "How bout that JB? Wha what?"

One thing I will say about the bug peeps, Dr. Voss, etc., you can tell they really like their jobs.

I do feel bad the DT witnesses are getting demolished but nice to see some good lawyering.

YellowSubmarine
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Good Lord, I'm getting a work out today -- keep leaving my remote on the table, so I have to move quick to mute it when IS goes on commercial . . . .

azscr4mbl3r
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
"early colonizers" .....
Maybe JB should call Christopher Columbus.

or ... maaaybeeee Vasco Da Gama Thompson he wasn't asked about it during his presser today however perhaps he knows something....:great:

Nana46
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Even if ICA was innocent can somebody tell me how she can sit there listening to testimony about insects feeding on her dead child's body and also for the grandparents...how do you sit through this and she has not one iota of expression on her face. I will now leave for awhile as she totally disgusts me I am sorry.

dax
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
I don't remember - did Casey's 'squirrel' excuse get in testimony in front of the jury?

Yes...AH

my2sense
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
CM is looking sick

cecybeans
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
This <modsnip> drank the KC Koolaid. JB is trying to act like GA gave Caylee's body to RK and he stuck it in the fridge like he did that snake. And then strew her little bones around in December like Johnny Appleseed because he had already called his son and bragged.

Problem is, it does not explain the calls RK made in August. Is some jury going to believe that GA gave RK the body in July and he stuck her in a fridge for 3 weeks to slow down decomp until he dumped her on Suburban (already skeletonized because he said he saw a skull even then, right?). And that GA would have wrapped up his precious granddaughter like trash (because he was always calling her "snothead") so that RK could have tossed her into the woods? And then GA cleaned the trunk stain so that his daughter wouldn't be arrested for anything? The next thing JB will be saying is that it wasn't really KC partying those 31 days because it was a surrogate android; she had been abducted by aliens who forced her to say it was ZFG to spare her family's life (just long enough to throw them under a bus in court).

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Bug expert agrees w/ prosecutor, Caylee's body could have Bern placed in woods 2 or 3 days after she died. #caseyanthony #fox35
by anthonycase via twitter at 1:29 PM

Huntington: Looking at Dr. Haskell's depo. re: lack of blow flies. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:27 PM

gypsyblue
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
If her jaw juts out any farther she will poke a juror in the eye.:floorlaugh:

logicalgirl
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Camera just paused on Mr. Mason - for a few seconds - while he gave a big sigh and pressed his lips together.....
Not looking too happy....

MissJames
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Oh dear - this is bad!!! I hope Dr. Haskell is watching this and redoing his notes to how he teaches his students.

My son had a teacher once ,in first grade ,who was so awful we moved him to public school. Coinky dink....his new teacher was the teacher the bad one had done her student teaching with. When the new teacher heard our story she said "She should have stuck with upper grades. I TOLD her not to teach below 4th grade !"
Dr. Haskell is saying " I told him to stick to the lab.No testifying ":maddening:
JMO

8truthseeker8
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
wow!!!!! I would feel bad for him, but he is actually helping little Caylee!!!! woo hoo!!!!!! It is a shame though.......the entire morning......wasted with only a few of the states questions.......

Just Jayla
06-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Why doesn't the guy just say that there was not an abundance of blow flies because they simply flew away to a better food source?

FaerieB
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
stevehelling Steve Helling
Juror 16 was that guy in high school who took bad notes but charmed girls like #15 to let him copy hers. (relax. That's not happening now.)

whiteangora
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
Dontcha just love catching people in lies? I do.

ohiogirl
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
JA is so angry because this testimony is so ridiculous.

I think he needs to calm down or he will miss something.

uklaw
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
I don't understand what Ashton is getting at here.

Surely it bolster's the State Case to argue that the body was not placed at Suburban Drive until at least a few days after death. The body had to be in the car trunk for at least SOME period of time for the blow flies, etc to be found in the car (if they come from the scene of the body).

watchinginky
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
16605

16606

TexasDoll
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
Wouldn't the bugs *STAY* in the bags that Caylee was wrapped in? Especially at the early stage.

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
Brilliant cross. Making him read haskell's opinion that the bugs couldn't get to the body.

strach304
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
The sad part is we know the body was moved. How many times we can't be 100% sure but it went from the trunk to the yard, back to the trunk and then the woods.

Hamsterdance
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
I never knew pig skulls closely resemble cow, dog, and opossum skulls. Not the worst decomp photo ever viewed.

This poor young man has walked right into his next college courses or study internships.

He could work at The Body Farm one day!
BBM :silenced: I will resist, I WILL resist! :tos:

Softail
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
JA is impeaching him.

JB objected.

OVERRULED! :gavel:

Oakley
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
I knew JA would "handle" this, but WOW! Blowing him out of the water!

He's all for exposing TRUTH.... GOD Bless Jeff Ashton! The man is brilliant!

Velouria
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
tedionormity [tee-dee-ih-nawr-mi-tee], noun. tedionormus, adj..

Enormously tedious, boring, pedantic on a grand scale. The testimony of the forensic entomologist was an exercise in tedionormity.

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Defense expert admitted the state's scenario is possible to explain lack of bugs
3 minutes ago

YellowSubmarine
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
Holy schnikeys!!!!!

8truthseeker8
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
ICA is pissssed! I can feel the heat of her aura from VA

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
Pointing out how the witness' testimony has changed

TotallyObsessed
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
This is embarrassing

kaRN
06-17-2011, 02:32 PM
ICA sure seems cool and collected considering the topic of discussion.

fifteen89
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Uhhhhh.......THUD.

biggirl
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
When Judge Perry asked this witness this am if he had ever testified as a expert before and he answered "No one has asked me". I see why and I don't think he will ever want to do it again. Oh my. GO JA!!!!

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Huntington said in depo. that he didn't find much to disagree with in Haskell's report. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:32 PM

Mountain_Kat
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Back from vet (kittens doing great!)...can anyone tell me briefly what I missed? Sounds like JA is killing this witness.

21merc7
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
JB getting ready to object again, unless my computer is behind not ahead

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
If this guy says "that depends" one more time...

els
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbqWMzgH7rsMZui_qNw_nVBHbVZXobP LymrmDJGbAJtOVvYzjzvw Blow Fly

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzb_gpoqHB4wN_UYQE4dDy0TuSVISYz bcnqddxCiUiIEqc6706_Q Coffin Fly


your coffin fly image looks a little like a common housefly, i found this one on wiki, and the info is creepy, apparently they burrow into the ground to get to bodies...

Megaselia scalaris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Megaselia_scalaris.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ac/Megaselia_scalaris.jpg/220px-Megaselia_scalaris.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/a/ac/Megaselia_scalaris.jpg/220px-Megaselia_scalaris.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/Megaselia_scalaris.jpg

Lucylu7
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Oh God, I keep hoping the witness says, "Come on, give me a break, ok?"

Sounds like you followed the Scott Peterson case too,think I could be a full time trial watcher

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Ashton asks if he NOW disagrees with Haskell's report. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:32 PM

The Eunice Burns
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
:panic: JB
:skip: JA

GreenTeam
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Does this mean that the testimony so far today has been meaningless?

MissDiva
06-17-2011, 02:33 PM
I'm giggling so much at JA's cross. Brilliant so far.

Disguiseduser0308
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Wouldn't the bugs *STAY* in the bags that Caylee was wrapped in? Especially at the early stage.

They probably would. However, Caylee's little body in the bags was then exposed to animals and a hurricane.

Softail
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Pretty soon this witness is going to want to :bang:

CementPond
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Poor guy. I do feel bad. And look at JB sitting over there looking all defeated. LOLOLOL

yeknomaras
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
bam. done!

21merc7
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Back from vet (kittens doing great!)...can anyone tell me briefly what I missed? Sounds like JA is killing this witness.

Yes he is. Happy kitties are fine. :) You didn't miss anything important.

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Follower makes good point about how hard it must be for Anthonys to hear insects feeding on Caylee's remains.
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:34 PM

UFO
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Now check this guys blood sugar.

Sheesh, this is so awkward. But I'm loving every minute of it.

MOO

npcougar
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Wow. I thought he was dwelling on this cross too long but he just nailed him.

Marple
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Looks like this witness is now a witness for the state.

azscr4mbl3r
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Geeee I hope he doesn't make this nice young man cry.... kinda reminds me of the Willard and Ben movies except maggots in place of rats

NavySubMom
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
OOOHHH, YEAAHH, would that place STINK!! the trunk!! oh yeah!! JA is doing Wonderful!!

kathyn2
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Good impeachment Mr. Ashton!!! yeaaa for you. This guy is such a liar I can't stand him and it is not going to go over with the jury. One more needle in the arm of Casey.

TotallyObsessed
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Does this mean that the testimony so far today has been meaningless?

That'd be a big old HELL YEAH to that!

zoey
06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
Back from vet (kittens doing great!)...can anyone tell me briefly what I missed? Sounds like JA is killing this witness.

jb finally ended.....and JA has taken over!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mendara
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
I think he needs to calm down or he will miss something.

I think he is doing a great job showing the jury that the defense witness has changed his testimony in order to fit with the defense theory and that is NOT going to fly.

Hamsterdance
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
"You would not be able to get the stink out"

"Yes, I agree"


SLAM BAM

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
place where body was w/o early colonizers would STINK

Agreed

TexasDoll
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
OH EMMM GEEE!!!! SERISOUSLY he had to THINK about if a human was decomposing STINKS. Wow! That says everything to me.

FaerieB
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
MikeDeForest6 Mike DeForest
Ashton has Dr. Huntington on the ropes! He admits he agrees with state bug expert's findings! #CaseyAnthony

Amster
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Oh my goodness....oh my, oh my, oh my

Kenziema
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
OMG Baez's head is so red right now it looks like it's going to POP!!!

pipkins
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
hes getting the smell of decomp out!!

Solomisskitty
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
your coffin fly image looks a little like a common housefly, i found this one on wiki, and the info is creepy, apparently they burrow into the ground to get to bodies...

Megaselia scalaris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaselia_scalaris)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/Megaselia_scalaris.jpg

ooooh, TMI!

fifteen89
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Is JB re-thinking his career choice? His expression is priceless.

21merc7
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Back to stinking :) :) :)

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Huntington: Agrees with Ashton that place that earlier held body would smell, stink. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:34 PM

Salem
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
JB is not happy. Scientist got called out by his depo. Bad moment for him, he was caught trying to deflect the truth as he recognized it in Jan. when the depo was done.

smeck
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Bingo

wvjules
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Wowzer!

"Here, smell this can." Wouldn't that be nice. lol

texaslb218
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
WOOHOO! Stinks

YellowSubmarine
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Can't believe he hasn't asked for a break to "check his blood sugar" yet . . . .

Wholehearted
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
I don't think the witness is really seeing what JA is setting up. But then again, I'm not sure that's his job. I do think he's trying to answer to the best of his ability. But the science just isn't on the DT's side.

QueenD
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
I love this asking about where the body decomposed would stink wouldn't it.

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Ashton says if decomposition was happening in a car it would be an awful smell? TH says yes. And it would be hard to get out. #CaseyAnthony
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:35 PM

Ashton is getting to previous testimony of smell of death in #CaseyAnthony car.
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:35 PM

Marple
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
JB is beaten and he knows it.

21merc7
06-17-2011, 02:35 PM
JB gonna object again

TotallyObsessed
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Now check this guys blood sugar.

Sheesh, this is so awkward. But I'm loving every minute of it.

MOO

I think his sugar is falling fast.

Eidetic
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Open the canisters with smell of decomp on the tire cover! (Sorry, wishful thinking.)

amayla
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
JB wants a sidebar haahha

pipkins
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Im jumping in my seat

woooohooo think im gonna have a heart attack!!!

wenwe4
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
JA up to show Dr. H something in Dr. Haskell's report from the scene....looking thru report.....witness strains to see report.....CM yawning and stiffling yawns....kc cocking head to side....JA found reference in report

JA - pg 61 line 7....general if you agree with Dr. Haskell...depo 1/28th? read what Dr. Haskell said...reduced #'s of early initial colonizers body was stored.....
Jb objects ? overrule

JA ask him to follow question --is there any thing w/Dr. H report that you disagree or take issue...the only part not alot to disagree with....only part jumps out at me ....very similar or same report of what mine would look like given the same evidence....are you now saying you disagree with Dr. Haskell report - that is one possible ....Dr H expanding on other possibles....depends on circumstances - environmental conditions....is there something you know now that you didn't know in Jan of this year? Object - overrule ...anything different as far as you know in environment - agree with his consistent body deposited end June or early July 2008....if body kept in early decomp from early colonizers would that place smell? yes if allowed to decomp in absence of early decomp...that place wold stink and would not be able to get stink out....human decomp is very recognizable can't clean it out cant get it out....whever decomp difficult to ever get it out....examine 6/2010 2 years after trunk liner removed no garbage in car trunk - removed more than 2 years before....correct? object- sidebar!

watchinginky
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
16607

16608

16609

yeknomaras
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
JA about to drive it home. Baez panics and asks for sidebar.

KenoshaKid
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
2 years after when you examined it, the trunk liner was gone, the garbage was gone, <request sidebar>

Here it comes.... GO JA!!

Stella5
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
JA is so wonderful!!! Now onto the stink of the car and has the witness admitting you cannot get the stink of decomp out of anything!!! When you examined the pontiac sunfire in July 2010 all of the trunk liner had been removed, there was no garbage in the car, and according to the evidence as you knew it the garbage had been removed two years prior... and now JB wants a sidebar!!! Come on... let him say it still STUNK!!!

ziggy
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
OMG this is awesome. No trunk liner and garbage removed more than two years before in the Pontiac and JA is going to try to get the expert to say it still stunk!!!! OOOOO sidebar. Jose is going to puke. HA!

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Witness agrees with Ashton that place where Caylees body was held before moved would have awful smell
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:35 PM

Dr.Fessel
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Go Ashton!!!

Fluffy Puppy
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
I have never seen Ashton do so well.

Linda7NJ
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
JA!!!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlau gh::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:

OMG!!! JEFF is the MAN!

The Eunice Burns
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Bill S saying "he just eviscerated him" "turned him into a prosecution witness". Woohoo!

cecybeans
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Uh-oh JB always asks for a sidebar when he is losing big time. He is hoping the jury gets temporary amnesia. JA is nailing the good little Dr. on how bad the car stunk two years later. Time to open the cans of death!

Oakley
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
OSCaseyAnthony Casey Anthony News
Huntington said in depo. that he didn't find much to disagree with in Haskell's report. #CaseyAnthony

JSR
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
JB knows what JA is going to ask next and he doesn't want the jury to hear the answer.

Hamsterdance
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Bill Shaeffer speaks: "JA just eviscerated him. Turned Defense witness into prosecution witness"

jon_burrows
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Oh my gosh, is he going to ask if the car still smelled two years later after a bunch of stuff was removed from the car?

JB wants a sidebar.

JA is going in for the kill big time!

IMO

TotallyObsessed
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
Huntington says it would smell bad for a long time. And that the smell of any type of decomposition is easily recognizable. #CaseyAnthonyby cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:36 PM

texaslb218
06-17-2011, 02:36 PM
White flags are waving the flying pigs in for a landing!!!

adb263
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
IMO JA is really good at his job!!!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

the poor witness>>>:truce:

liltexans
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Ashton scoring big points about smell. Car still stunk of death. Baez takes sidebar. #CaseyAnthony
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:36 PM

Huntington says it would smell bad for a long time. And that the smell of any type of decomposition is easily recognizable. #CaseyAnthony
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:36 PM

QueenD
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
No not a side bar now, this is too flipping good!

MEM2010
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Boom!

logicalgirl
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
16605

16606

Thank you watchinginky - Love that pic of Mason - he is fully awake, he can hear this and he is not a happy camper...:rocker:

yeknomaras
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
I have never seen Ashton do so well.

I am so in AWE of his AWEsomeness!!! LOL!!!!!!

Hisimage
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Okay so everytime NG says: "lets unleash the lawyers" this is always what I've imagined in my head. (JA's cross).... just saying

Well done JA

TigerBalm
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Oh come on now JB what are you afraid of, your witness admitting that the pontiac sunfire still smelled like decomp 2 yrs later??

Turnadot
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Just. WOW.

Did Ashton just impeach the defense's expert?

*swoon*

angeleleven
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
I repeat...I LOVE JA!

npcougar
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
IT STILL STINKS!!!!!!!!!! Just waiting for the witness to say it.

Kateyes
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Heat is getting too hot!!! JB wants a sidebar! It is what it is, JB. Smoke and mirrors won't change it! This witness has just become a waste, a huge waste. IMO.

Mendara
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
JA: about to get this witness to ADMIT that when a body decomposes it leaves a smell where it decomposes and as you said before "You can't get it out, you can't clean it out"

He is going to get this witness to say after 2 years the pontiac STILL SMELLED like a dead body which is in his deposition.

JB - calls for sidebar right as JA was goign to destroy this guy.

MY HEART IS RAcing - ja is a killah!

mitzi
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
I don't think the witness is really seeing what JA is setting up. But then again, I'm not sure that's his job. I do think he's trying to answer to the best of his ability. But the science just isn't on the DT's side.

Respectfully...witness is hedging BIG TIME!

christee
06-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Wow...I luv JA.