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QueenD
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
This has got to stop

SeaNymph
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Whoa - yeah I think its safe to say Dr. G will be back.

Patience
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Dr. Spitz beleive somebody rearranged the hair on the skull for the taking of the picture.

matou
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
WOW!!! someone drapped the hair over her skull for the purposes of the photo!!! OMG, he's OUT!!!

Sleuth5
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Man, this is a massacre. Frame-up by the ME? Good Lord.

katydid23
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Dr. S= " well some of the hair she needed to snip and some she didn't"

" These pieces of hair were put there ."

The medical examiners put it there? asked JA


" Wouldn't be the first time."

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. lol

21merc7
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
KC wakes up at the idea someone else did it

Quiche
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
SODDI. Of course.

RR0004
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
So NOW Casey can sit upright?

PaulaF513
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
OMDG he is unbelievable.

kathyn2
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
This is just awful what this spitzer is saying. He sounds like one sick person.

downport
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
The ME put the hair on !!!! Happens all the time !!!!
MELTDOWN ON LIVE TV !!!!!!!!!

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Is it your testimony that the ME drapped this hair and took the pic?

I don't know who did, but if you compare they look different. Somebody rearanged it.

jane the dood
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Good Gawd!!

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
WOW how much was he paid

yllek
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Holy carp! Dr. Spitz is now accusing the Medical Examiner's office of "posing" Caylee by putting the hair back on the skull before photographing it for evidence.

celticthyme
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
I can imagine the DT sitting down with W Spitz and saying OK, this is our theory, now we want you to support it with these facts. And the poor fellow is supposed to try and keep this all straight? This is really becoming more pathetic by the minute.
The medical examiner or someone "manipulated the hair" to try and make their point!

christee
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
O...M...G :eek:

Un...friggin'...believable

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Right Dr. Spitz a big conspiracy.

LglNrs
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Twitter MSM: #CaseyAnthony Spitz suggests ME staged skull photo with strands of hair on it.

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
OMGGGGGGG!!:eek:

This is not good!

jon_burrows
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
The ME staged the photo of Caylee's hair/skull per witness.
:shocked2:

This witness is crazy.

IMO

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
I just tuned back in a few minutes ago and man! JA is giving it to Dr. Spitz and really making him explain himself. I think JA really showed that Spitz does not know what he is talking about. Especially these last comments about the hair on the skull and duct tape being placed on the skull by Dr. G employees! That is crazy!

MissJames
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
You cannot make this stuff up !

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
I am officially dumbfounded at Dr Spitz' testimony :doh:

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
It is my opinion that someone put the hair over this skull on purpose because that photo doesn't look like the other photo.

Yeah sure... but why ever would anyone do that.

If the jury falls for this fairytale...

adb263
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
I swear ICA is not hiding from the pics but she is hiding her laughter!! JMO

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Blatantly accusing someone of staging the discovery scene.

This is the topper.

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Thank God - Mason is up for redirect. I don't think I could have taken any more of Dr. Spitz's answers to Mr. Ashton...

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Wow. Immediate change in tone and demeanor.

Plumeria5
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Wow! Is he implying someone such as the ME tampered with the hair on the skull for the purpose of photography!?

Ricki
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
This man is totaly zonkers. Who in their right mind would believe this theory. JA is proving the Dr is senile.

Sleuths4Me
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
why does the pics look different? um IDK maybe because they had to move it from one place (the scene) to the ME office and try not to disturb it so you can assume that the move displaced some of the hair...assume there is less on the ME pic than the scene pic...ugh taking a page from JB book...IT WAS STAGED...GMAB!:banghead::loser:

Kateyes
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
I am very frustrated with scientists that ask me to ignore my own common sense and believe what they are telling me, without giving me some kind of scientific principle to base the knowlege on.

We all have common knowledge. We know that generally speaking, what goes up, must come down. The hair would slide to the lowest position as it was released from the scalp. This is gravity. Easy. And then WS tells us it would not. But he gives us no reason why. No reason to leave our common knowledge behind and believe what he says. Why didn't the hair slide to the lowest position? What kept the hair attached to the top of the scalp?

I'm not buying it. It may be a minor point - but I don't like being asked to put aside what "I know" to accept some presumption there is no scientific principle for, or that the scientist thinks I wouldn't understand - so I should just trust him. Frustration. And ICA is ...... I can't say - 'Beach will get me LOL

Thank you, Salem. You have hit precisely the point. We all have common sense, and when testimony defies our common sense it it the same as also insulting our intelligence.

Curious Me
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Accusing LE in other cases of letting someone be stuck in jail because LE decided to hide bloody clothes. He'll say anything!

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Oh Holy Carp, Dr just said "she" may or she may not have needed to cut the tape"...... THE END.


I missed it....hope the jurors didnt!

QueenD
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
So the Dr. just accused the ME Dr. G of committing a crime

AsoldiersGrits
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Dr. Spitz basically saying the ME's are setting Casey up.

well i guess its true, everyone is out to get Casey...:::sigh::::

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
CM don't slip.........THE FLOOR WAS JUST MOPPED!!!

momtective
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Dr. Spitz basically saying the ME's are setting Casey up.

Oh the whole danm world conspired to frame poor ICA...BS!

SommerSunshine
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
If the jury is buying any of this, and she gets off I am going to go back to school denouce my criminal justice and psychology degree, give up my alpha phi sigma status, and become an accountant or something because the justice system is completely flawed.

Mosby
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
He says, he's not a laboratory, he's not a chemist. He didn't have anyone to send it to. Whaaaa?

They couldn't have paid to send this off to a lab for testing? or they couldn't find a lab to test it for free?


KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Another juror is smirking


WOW how much was he paid

My question also. JA please ask him.

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
This is not good!

I disagree. This is great for the State!:great::great::great:

strawberry
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
The conspiracy was bigger than we thought! :eek: Jen Welch is in on it! :lol:

Sleuth5
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Now he's put it together backwards.

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
The ME put the hair on !!!! Happens all the time !!!!
MELTDOWN ON LIVE TV !!!!!!!!!

I guess he would know all about such things?

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
You can't make this stuff up, folks. ;)

jon_burrows
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
I wish he would put the skull down before it crashes to the floor.

IMO

Quiche
06-18-2011, 12:29 PM
Terrific testimony for the State. He is not, in the least bit, believable.

Amster
06-18-2011, 12:29 PM
Skull was fractured on inside that can't be seen from outside....that is nonsensical.

nursebeeme
06-18-2011, 12:29 PM
anything he says now: is completely destroyed

MaryAnn
06-18-2011, 12:29 PM
This man is totaly zonkers. Who in their right mind would believe this theory. JA is proving the Dr is senile.


yes, it appears that way. so sad for Dr Spitz. why go out like this?

strawberry
06-18-2011, 12:29 PM
JA: point out that fluid comes out from other orifices.

dsntslp
06-18-2011, 12:29 PM
ohh myyyy...wow, just wow.

The Dr. says the pic was "Staged"...

That her hair was moved to stage the picture...

Unbelievable...

Mouth hanging open here...the gall...

CarolAnn
06-18-2011, 12:29 PM
For those interested:
Anger Management classes will held immediately after adjournment today.

:floorlaugh:

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Hey CM is this what you paid for? Is this what your witness was supposed to say?

He is giving reasons why he opened the skull. He does not remember the paper he is stating from. The fracture. What does that mean. Here the skull is put back together. For the sake of argument: if force is applied then a fracture is on the inside but nothing on the outside. the other thing is in a case of of of ahhhhhhhhhh certain kinds of GAS a hemorridge in the base of the skull, I mentioned that earlier...

in the ears, this bone here behind the jaw which would contain a coloring that is hard to remove...

CM has to interrupt.

The witness is speaking of blood that should have been in the skull.

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
What did this man get paid?

The DT was robbed.

Carolina Girl
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
His voice is much softer with CM.

jane the dood
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
It's a ME conspiracy! He could tell you horror stories! This guy is definitely a few fries short of a happy meal. Smooth move, DT!

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
If the jury is buying any of this, and she gets off I am going to go back to school denouce my criminal justice and psychology degree, give up my alpha phi sigma status, and become an accountant or something because the justice system is completely flawed.

I'm gonna tell you right now that the jury will take his word over Dr G's word.

Searchfortruth
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
How pathetic is this ?

PaulaF513
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
My word...he just said she could have been suffocated....end of story

robmom
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
I didn't think anyone in this case could come off looking worse than JB...but the good Dr. has managed it. Kudos!

Plumeria5
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Accusing LE in other cases of letting someone be stuck in jail because LE decided to hide bloody clothes. He'll say anything!

Was this witness involved in the O. J. Simpson trial?

Steely Dan
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
For those interested:
Anger Management classes will held immediately after adjournment today.

:spit:

lowens1975
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
"Sometimes you have internal cracks" and yet HE cracked Caylee's skull and couldn't remember doing it. And didn't report it as an autopsy finding either.

technicalconfusion
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
A few juror's shook their heads "NO"
1 minute ago
Pamela
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
OMG Spitz just said that someone w/ME's office took some hairs & placed them over the skull

pinkfly
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Photos were staged and he has based almost all of his opinion on photos.....so where does that leave the DT?

2XL
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
WOW!!! someone drapped the hair over her skull for the purposes of the photo!!! OMG, he's OUT!!!

Oh My Sweet Lord...is this man serious...Why has HHBP let this BS continue. This is past crazy and fiction.....

zippitydoda
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
It's sad to watch a brillant Dr. sully his reputation at this stage of his career and life.

I hope he has already cashed the DT's check, because if he is waiting by his mailbox, I think he's gonna wait a long time.

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
So, if Caylee was smothered then there should be blood.

That is what they are saying.

my2sense
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Oh the whole danm world conspired to frame poor ICA...BS!

She must be related to my ex

pipkins
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
strangling or suffocation??? Did I hear that correct? Is he trying to say she could have been suffocated?

Fluffy Puppy
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Dr. Spitz basically saying the ME's are setting Casey up.

I wonder if he put that opinion in his report.

Hamsterdance
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Did the defense witness just bring up suffocation and asphixiation (sp) himself!?

coloradoteacher
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
He is saying that suffocation could leave a "residue on the skull and so that is why he opened the skull... well didn't they say there was a residue???

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
The smack down on this Dr. is far more exciting than the one on Friday!

SATA
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
I see ICA tired of her little performance. Back to stoneface.

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Poor KC has been set up. By her parents, her brother, the police, Mr. Kronk, Vasco, Dr. Garvaglia and her staff. Have I forgotten anyone?

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
You cannot make this stuff up !

Oh, but the defense team can! :floorlaugh: This is going waaaay better than I expected. lol

Snaz
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
#CaseyAnthony Defense Case-in-Chief Scorecard: Jeff Ashton - 3, Defense Team - 0.

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Wow! Is he implying someone such as the ME tampered with the hair on the skull for the purpose of photography!?

Well, sure, the artistic impression weighs so much more than technical skill IMO.

mck16
06-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Did he just say suffocation?

fragiletearz
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
Oh man this really IS a conspiracy against poor innocent Casey....She just wants to life the beautiful life. Wow the defense is really throwing spaghetti around but none is sticking.

mitzi
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
Blatantly accusing someone of staging the discovery scene.

This is the topper.

Is it any wonder that Dr. G didn't want this <modsnip> at her autopsy?

ontariolynn13
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
This is so very very boring, boring!!!

technicalconfusion
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
So someone commtted a felony just so Spitz could have an alternate theory of the crime?

GetSmart
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
Man, this is a massacre. Frame-up by the ME? Good Lord.


Cagey Old Guy .. I bet thats what they were working up to the whole time and found the chance to slip it in with NO OBJECTIONS >>>WTF

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
Fiction. Great word for this. Pure fiction and not even good fiction at that.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
This was throughly entertaining, but what did I actually learn?

Nada.

Tulessa
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
I wished I hadn't used all of my depends the other day!:doh:

Wagara
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
Now I think I've heard it all!

coloradoteacher
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
A few juror's shook their heads "NO"
1 minute ago
Pamela
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
OMG Spitz just said that someone w/ME's office took some hairs & placed them over the skull

Was the head shaking about the ME claim that they moved the hair?

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
Did the defense witness just bring up suffocation and asphixiation (sp) himself!?

Yes, he did! lol

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 12:31 PM
This witness is discredited. This Dr. thinks that his word is creed. He has been totally impeached IMO. Claiming that the State staged a piece of evidence goes to the lowest.

momtective
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
For those interested:
Anger Management classes will held immediately after adjournment today.

Can we hold the classes at the nearest bar?:great:

pipkins
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
KBelichWFTV: Another juror was also smirking [via Twitter]

~PrinceSSa~
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
I cannot belive what Im hearing and I just got here OMG

summerthyme
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
A few juror's shook their heads "NO"
1 minute ago
Pamela
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
OMG Spitz just said that someone w/ME's office took some hairs & placed them over the skull

Bolded mine, and it is very telling jurors are publicly rejecting Dr. S testimony.

Salem
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
What is wrong with this picture and how does this type of machination serve our court system ? It is beyond comprehension.

I so agree. If I was on that jury, I would be asking the judge to excuse this witness. Enough is enough. Geeeeeeez

MomCat
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Dr. S= " well some of the hair she needed to snip and some she didn't"

" These pieces of hair were put there ."

The medical examiners put it there? asked JA


" Wouldn't be the first time."

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. lol

Omg! Is he now accusing Dr. G of evidence tampering in previous cases???

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
I'm gonna tell you right now that the jury will take his word over Dr G's word.


with all due respect, I do not believe so. his testimony reads as much like illuminatus! as the defense's OS did.

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Poor KC has been set up. By her parents, her brother, the police, Mr. Kronk, Vasco, Dr. Garvaglia and her staff. Have I forgotten anyone?

:tyou: Mohabi :cool2:

Don't forget those ignorant bloggers! :no:

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Wow. Immediate change in tone and demeanor.

Wow! This is so true! Coherent and put together while mason is re-directing. Amazing

kathyn2
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
You can't make this stuff up, folks. ;)

Do you as a mock juror believe anything this dr. is testifying to? It sounds ridiculous to me. Wonder what the other mock juror thinks??

MissJames
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
The DT had plenty of warning WS was going to be a loose cannon. They should have nixed this.

sappysoul
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
I'm starting to believe the defense is doing a better job of proving Casey's guilt than the state did. :waitasec:

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Wait, I thought this witness said he didn't do any chemical tests???

sorrell skye
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Now we get a lesson in Latin.

Bullwinkle
06-18-2011, 12:32 PM
DeathProofDiva‎ #CaseyAnthony

"Please just excuse Dr Spitz. No one is going to get a straight answer (from) this guy. Let's move on!"

Twitter - 1 minute ago

countzero
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
I missed it....hope the jurors didnt!

I hope Linda didn't miss it. It was so quick and Jeff was on a roll.

Wholehearted
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Dr. Spitz describing root of the word manipulate, and then saying the presence of the skull on the brown paper means it's been manipulated. I don't think that equals a set up.

katsclown
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
This is gross, but the A's are all about appearances, right? So someone "fixed" her up.

Oakley
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
"It was manipulated"

This from the man who cracked the skull, and examined it without wearing gloves. :rolleyes:

technicalconfusion
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Another juror was also smirking
1 minute ago

yllek
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Now, I'm just mad. Dr. S doesn't remember giving an interview last week, he doesn't remember what he read in Dr. G's report, but now (with Mason telling him and asking him to confirm) he remembers that the skull residue was sent for testing, he remember the doctor who tested it, he remembers the results of the testing. This is a farce!

ebedeeb
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Regardless of how many in ME handled skull in FL, I bet everyone of them were wearing gloves, unlike WS

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
with all due respect, I do not believe so. his testimony reads as much like illuminatus! as the defense's OS did.

:great::rocker::woohoo:

Thank you Thank you Thank you. Oh on all that is holy. Thank you.

Bon
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
I'm gonna tell you right now that the jury will take his word over Dr G's word.

JMO!!! No way!!!

JustMeDeb
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Aphrodite_Jones Aphrodite Jones
#caseyanthony Spitz is treading on thin ice by attacking the medical examiner (or possibly someone else in CSI) for evidence tampering.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
I wished I hadn't used all of my depends the other day!:doh:

Perhaps you could borrow some from Cheney Mason's other client...Lisa Nowak.

wenwe4
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Dr Spitz alleges ME rearranged the hair on the skull for the picture..

redirect- cm

any other reasons to open skull? first of all just for to mention...medical legal investigation of death ....don't know page...occassionally there are fractures that will not fractrure on exterior of skull .....put skull back together...this kind of force applied ...when open skull you can find fracture on inside but not outside of skull...in some deaths there hemmorage on base skull,area middle ears...behind lower jaw..contain a coloring in the bone diffiuclt to remove from blood accumulated there...what other tyes of death cause hemorrage....affixiation...smothering....occurs - smother someone blood pressure goes up blood vessels break....cause hemmorage and discoloration - doesn't happen everytime but when blood decomps it leaves a residue...

asked if sent brain dust forchemical analysis...didn't do that no facility to do that...read all reports by Dr. g...learn from autopsy sent to Gainsville toxicologist...object overrule

read results of toxicology - dr goldberger find poison ...object- overrule....chloroform - no..not....

asked about ducttape...do you know how many people handled skull before photo in ME office - don't know....skull manipulated ...manos means hand...handled ...on brown paper - skull put there by hands....hair rearranged....hair looks somewhat different...position placement of hair from the scene...no other way...somebody had to do it..

witness excused

ohiogirl
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Oh, now I understand. "Manipulated" manhandled. OK

Marple
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Excused witness. Thank goodness!!!!!

strawberry
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Good move JA ending this kefluffle.

jon_burrows
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
I'm gonna tell you right now that the jury will take his word over Dr G's word.

Why? :dunno:

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Farewell Dr. S...you were a trip. :floorlaugh:

Beyond Belief
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Excused, thank goodness.

Curious Me
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Dr. Spitz has a huge ego. He has done nothing to convince me of anything.

QueenD
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Oh no side bar

21merc7
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
Witness excused,

I haven't stopped laughing

No anger management needed, this theory was hilarious!

Kateyes
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
I swear ICA is not hiding from the pics but she is hiding her laughter!! JMO

I cannot determine if she is hiding her laughter, or if ICA knows this cross-examination is going badly for the defense, and she knows she is going down. OTOH, ICA could be living in her own world, and believes she will be acquitted a and cannot be bothered with the nonsense of this trial. JMO

Anadarko
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
I would have loved to hear JA say in My Cousin Vinny style, "I ain't got no more use for dis guy..."

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
CM didn't help much did he??

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 12:33 PM
CM: so somebody had to do it.

somebody had to do it

CM: no further questions.

ohiogirl
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Phew!

Drama Queen
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
It's a ME conspiracy! He could tell you horror stories! This guy is definitely a few fries short of a happy meal. Smooth move, DT!

Can you imagine yourself...sitting around a campfire at night...singing KumBayAh and this guy starts telling Ghost Stories????
He would scare the poop out of me.

magnolia
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Whoa - yeah I think its safe to say Dr. G will be back.

No doubt~

3doglady
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
ohh myyyy...wow, just wow.

The Dr. says the pic was "Staged"...

That her hair was moved to stage the picture...

Unbelievable...

Mouth hanging open here...the gall...

I'm not. Unfortunately I've seen him testify before. He'll say anything.

Eileen730
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Rut roHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

QueenD
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Wonder if HHJP is going to throw this witness out

azscr4mbl3r
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
sidebar!! please somebody post a transcript of it... please....!!!

Neurotripsy
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Sidebar now...

cluciano63
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
This is so ridiculous...and a waste of time. The jury can't possibly be taking any of this testimony seriously. If anything, the jury is probably angry with the defense for putting on this show. Not helping their theories at all.

But I still feel JB will cause a mistrial at some point...I don't think he cares about consequences, I think he is determined not to be the losing lawyer of record in a conviction. I doubt he plans to "lawyer" again...

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Oh no now he's complaining that somebody manipulated the skull because it didn't walk there on the ME's table to be photographed.

FGS. Do skulls walk in his office??

Caylee could have walked if her mom didn't suffocate her.

WFTV saying Kathy Belich said two jurors smirked during the testimony.

Sleuth5
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Well, if he can break the skulls, they can rearrange the hair. Fair is fair.

Phoebeb
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
So "manipulated" has a negative connotation, but Dr. S uses the word to mean it was moved by someone to get the photo. WTG!

mck16
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
He just secured a few more t.v. appearances. jmo

teedie2
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Matching bookends ... CM and Dr Spitz.

sorrell skye
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Do you as a mock juror believe anything this dr. is testifying to? It sounds ridiculous to me. Wonder what the other mock juror thinks??

The claim that the duct tape was applied after decomposition in order to hold the mandible in place never made sense to me. It's preposterous.

The witness's testimony about the duct tape is ludicrous, IMO.

Plumeria5
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
A few juror's shook their heads "NO"
1 minute ago
Pamela
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
OMG Spitz just said that someone w/ME's office took some hairs & placed them over the skull

Caylee is looking down on all of this shaking her head, too. All she wanted is to be loved and do all the things little girls enjoy doing. :heartbeat:

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
I really do feel sorry for Dr. Spitz in a wee way.

An aside....this case has a curse like the Hope diamond...

ladynana
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Th.at was a joke - one that the florida taxpayers should be mad as hell at, no laughing

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Wow! This is so true! Coherent and put together while mason is re-directing. Amazing

It was instantaneous. Spitz seemed to be so riled up when JA stopped, yet he was calm before CM got to the podium.

Beyond Belief
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
see you Monday.............recess

pipkins
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
2 jurors smirking !

susan1122
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
yes, it appears that way. so sad for Dr Spitz. why go out like this?

For the money? I think the saying "quit while you are ahead" applies.

Curious Me
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
CM don't slip.........THE FLOOR WAS JUST MOPPED!!!

:floorlaugh: Good One.

AsoldiersGrits
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
Poor KC has been set up. By her parents, her brother, the police, Mr. Kronk, Vasco, Dr. Garvaglia and her staff. Have I forgotten anyone?

Give it time JB will bring in someone else

Harmony2
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
<<<<<<<<<< Side Bar Thread >>>>>>

2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Storm
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
LOL trying to say someone took the skull home and then brought it back. OMG

Like a lot of folks would love to do that! UGH! ^i^

Cat Lady
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
Can this witness be excused? Oh sweet merciful God..yes.

Bullwinkle
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
WFTV reported that during Spitz's testimony about the duct tape being moved, two jurors smirked.

Searchfortruth
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
The defense should have rested after the states CIC.

MaryAnn
06-18-2011, 12:35 PM
did you hear Baez say "Why is it doing this S**T?

strawberry
06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Oh boy. WOnder what will happen now?

Mosby
06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Boy some theory. Somebody goes to the remains site, removes the skull to somewhere so that they can apply 3 pieces of duct tape and then returns it to the remains site. Where in the world do they think they are going with this carp.

Tulessa
06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
This Dr. Just ruined his credibility. :(

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
wftv comments on the large significance of the fact that two separate jurors were smirking at Dr S saying the duct tape was applied after decomp.

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
This is so very very boring, boring!!!

Really!? I'm enjoying it! http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/11655/eatpopcorn.gif

pipkins
06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
WFTV

another case of the defense putting someone else under the bus - re the photo being staged

strawberry
06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Back to the earlier shenanigans! And SAs motion for sanctions comes up!

Asker
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
I'm gonna tell you right now that the jury will take his word over Dr G's word.

I think so, too.

Just K
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Skull was fractured on inside that can't be seen from outside....that is nonsensical.

No shoes please, it is true that fractures may only be seen on the inside, with the naked eye, they appear as egg shell-type fractures and usually come from something equivalent to shaken baby syndrome.

Of course these fractures can probably seen on xrays as well. Those fractures are often not deep enough to show on the outside.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
HHJP maybe up to 3 pm next Saturday!

QueenD
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Here comes the sanctions

Ssejors
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad for this Dr at all. And Jeff doesn't need to be gentle.

Spitz is not a newbie to this stuff, he's testified as an expert in high profile cases before. IMO, he doesn't get a free pass or handled with kid gloves because he's been on this earth for 85 years. He agreed to testify in this case - - Ashton is trying to get justice for a murdered three year old little girl. With all due respect, that's more important than Dr Spitz's hurt feelings.

My opinions...

Ty Ty Ty. Ty Ty Ty!!

My face post of the day Ty!

summerthyme
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Be prepared to work to 3pm next SAT if necessary.

passionflower
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
high profile case, notority!....big money is why Dr. S is there!

burningsky22
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
woo hoo possible working 3/4 day next saturday.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Yikes...HHBP stating next Saturday they might work until 3:00 p.m.

strawberry
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Work next Sat til 3 pm! Hoorah!

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Be prepared to work, if necessary, next Saturday up to 3PM.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
another smack down for JB.

Wholehearted
06-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Haha. JP going to extend the working hours if they're only getting through 1 witness a day.

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Judge: we'll extend the work hours if necessary

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
I think so, too.

You guys are kidding, aren't you?

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Why? :dunno:

For one thing they were dazzled by his credentials and maybe they were starstruck.

faefrost
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Judge bringing up the sanctions motion again and threatening the attorneys regarding it.

CementPond
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Judge may extend hours each working day if they continue with only one witness per day.

burningsky22
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
i like how the judge is saying if we are going to take all day of one witness, i will just extend working hours.

Emeralgem
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
I really can't say what I'm thinking in reference to good ole Dr Spitz........ So what can I say other than... MAKES ME WANNA HOLLER..THROW UP BOTH MY HANDS..

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Be prepared to work next Saturday up until 3 pm. *Entire DT chuckles heartily* One witness per day isn't going to cut it.

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
HHJP: an order. Motions for sanctions/motion to compel. What is to be included in those reports. Lets make sure your re read that and comply so we have no more hickups. Be prepared to work next sat until three pm. will let you know that one witness a day will not get us to where we need to be, I will not hurry you but give you more hours. Longer on saturday and extend the days to six. I will make that decision on Tuesday. Any other matters?

Nine am Monday morning.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 12:38 PM
KC hauled out immediately!

slinkyy
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
His testimony was draining......I'm exhausted from listening to that!

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
IMO JP shouldn't be cutting the court days short by 20-30 minutes practically every day. He needs to go an hour over instead.

Elley Mae
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
Did Casey give Baez a little "punch" in the arm?

QueenD
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
They took ICA right out again. Love these guards

Tulessa
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
wftv comments on the large significance of the fact that two separate jurors were smirking at Dr S saying the duct tape was applied after decomp.

And this shows that Dr. G is more credible!

ynotdivein
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
Sidebar thread! (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139977&page=2)

Kimster
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
<<<<<<<<<< Side Bar Thread >>>>>>

2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139977)

:bump:

Get over there! Can't wait to read your posts on this testimony!

Harmony2
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
<<<<<<<<<< Side Bar Thread >>>>>>

2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139977)

bumping and closing

Anadarko
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
JB looks awfully amused for someone that got a spankin' today!

ohiogirl
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
I believe we have been invaded by the DT trolls.

Differing opinions are allowed here iirc.

wyome
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
Why didn't Ashton bring up the deteriorated condition of the duct tape? If it was placed later when the body was completely skeletonized, wouldn't be tape be in much better shape?

Or did he touch on this and I missed it?

Ada
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
Poor KC has been set up. By her parents, her brother, the police, Mr. Kronk, Vasco, Dr. Garvaglia and her staff. Have I forgotten anyone?

squirrels

Drama Queen
06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
One witness a day! Not going to work. but what will work is working late and long hours. Yee Haw...the jurors deserve to have respect of their time and effort. The DT is trying to make sure that alternates are needed and the originals flitter away.
Good for hhjp! He is smart as a whip and is not going to let minutia disrupt this proceeding.
MOO