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pip
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
I wonder why the SA didn't bring in Tim Miller and searchers in first to testify about the flooding so they can talk about the remains, duct tape, insect evidence etc. being submerged??

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
he is a duct tape expert?

Well, he's a forensic anthropologist, so I would think he's qualified to offer his opinion.

Let's see if HHJP allows it to be heard. :waitasec:

tragco
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
State's objection: Opinion witness is about to give is not mentioned in the report.

Eidetic
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Lizbeth scrambling hastily out of the courtroom.

Just K
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
The decomp fluids kill the vegetative growth..... 2nd time we've heard that now.

Yes but not if inside a bag, dispersed by animals and then flooded over and floating above the secondary/or possibly even tertiary location (the first being the trunk, possibly second being the backyard...where the grass won't grow or yard first then trunk and finally the dump site.)

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Ultimately, this witness will be good for the defense: there is a dead spot in her backyard, there is a decomp stain in her car, and the wooded site was under water for months. jmo


respectfully, that works even better for the state IMO

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
LDB looks p*ssed too. She is sitting back with her arms closed tightly with a scowl.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Yep....I knew it!!

Amster
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
OMG....no report? Opinions not in report....WHY is JB continually allowed to get away with this????

CementPond
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
Just getting on. What's this? ANOTHER witness who did not add something to their report?

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
I'm LOVING this!!!

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
Trial by ambush! HHJP knew JB was going to do this.

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
HHJP only shows his "frustation" when JA objects. I'm sure the jury notices. He knows that.

Just to make yourself feel better, count the number of sustained JB receives during testimony, compared to the number of overruled JA receives when he does the cross.

In other words, when JB objects, he is overruled, when JA objects it is sustained. You will actually see HHJP rules in JA's favour.

And now JB is getting yet another spanking...:innocent:

Ricki
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
No opionions in Drs report that references duct tape. How does JB get away with this. This is such nonsense.

snowshuze
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
So Dr Rodriguez did submit a report.

What'sThatClue
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
HHJP: Mr. Baez, pull out that court order and read that portion that you were talking about.

4realtho
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
JB is about to get a slap down from HHJP...I feel it coming

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:20 AM
HA!

Baez forced to read court order regarding reports!

Anadarko
06-18-2011, 09:21 AM
JB shows a complete lack of respect for JP!

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:21 AM
WOW....Mr. Baez pull out the court order and read that portion that you are talking about it and while you are trying to find that let me ask the dr. a few questions.

bonjoviblonde
06-18-2011, 09:21 AM
Another witness trying to testify to something not in his initial report. JB being sneaky yet again. I'm going to be so mad if HHBP lets him testify to something not in his report. It's not fair that the defense witnesses get so much leeway.

Chili Fries
06-18-2011, 09:21 AM
This depersonalization really burns me! And if you take the offensive term literally, it's not even a proper descriptor. I would have made up the word "post-infant" as being closer to what sweet Caylee was rather than "sub-adult."

Sub-adult, indeed. I don't think the jurors will care for this expert's attitude, either.

Are you sure he wasn't referring to insects instead of Caylee? Insects are commonly referred to as being in a sub-adult stage.

Just K
06-18-2011, 09:21 AM
2nd dirty trick of the morning...opinions expressed not in the report given in discovery report.

1st dirty trick was allowing that witness to state he was there voluntarily as an UNPAID expert.

katydid23
06-18-2011, 09:21 AM
"Mr Baaaeeeeeezzzzzz Pull out that court order and READ that particular part...."

in response to Baez trying to weasel out of the rules, once again.

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:21 AM
I skimmed part of THs report yesterday and JA made clear to him that any opinion he was going to render needed to be in his report. We are going to spend a lot of time on these proffers I have a feeling.

Ricki
06-18-2011, 09:21 AM
Has any of DF witness filed reports? Judge needs to hold JB to the fire.

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 09:22 AM
he said no determination unless it is buried.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:22 AM
JB is going to be in big big big trouble before he knows it.

Big...HUGE

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:22 AM
KC is totally just going in her head, spaced out looking, remembering things?

Quiche
06-18-2011, 09:22 AM
respectfully, that works even better for the state IMO

Ugh, I meant the State! I have to run back and correct that! Thanks!

Serjen
06-18-2011, 09:22 AM
Why does Defense keep making this mistake with their witnesses? If they were going to question them about certain things, have them put it in their report! Rules are rules and it's not fair they keep breaking them. What's the deal? Were they not able to get enough experts so they are using the ones to have to give testimony about other stuff? This is ridiculous. No wonder JP is pissed off. JA has every right to object.

momtective
06-18-2011, 09:22 AM
Does it seem strange to anyone else that this witness did not say WHAT he got his degrees in? BA and MA are Bachelor and Masters of ART, not science. I tried googling to find out, but can't find it. Does anyone else have this info or know where to find it? Sorry if this has been asked already.

He worked the Sept. 11 attack aftermath http://letsrollforums.com/blog.php?b=340

Turnadot
06-18-2011, 09:22 AM
Why does HHJP only get pizzed when Ashton objects?? He has every right to object, as does the defense, yet the judge doesn't looked mad when they object. I don't get it.

kathyn2
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
Jose Baez is a VERY unethical lawyer. He tries to win points by being sneaky with the court and by not playing fair. I hope this witnesses testimony is shot down and not allowed.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
2nd dirty trick of the morning...opinions expressed not in the report given in discovery report.

1st dirty trick was allowing that witness to state he was there voluntarily as an UNPAID expert.

He got away with it yesterday with TH.

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
*Wide grin here*. Testimony not in the report :)

ahoyhoy
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
so he had 6 months to put it in and he didn't? TRIAL BY AMBUSH!!!!

4realtho
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
The duct tape was a non-issue? BS

summerthyme
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
Stammering around about why he didn't put it in his report.

And JB could have told this witness to put the duct tape info in his report.

Bullwinkle
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
okay watching HLN - not going to like all the commercial breaks. I can't tell you all how much I have appreciated your posts so I can keep up at work, and now I see how much more I appreciate your post because it's difficult to watch and type!

Welcome.

Between the commercials and their commentary, HLN's coverage is disappointing.

Try this WFTV live feed from the courtroom, which has excellent commentary:
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

WFTV has a second live feed, just showing Casey, here:
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

You can open them both in new windows, and once they've loaded, resize them to show just the video, slide them over to the right, beside this window, and mute the audio on the Casey feed.

Amster
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
:twocents:
Well, he's a forensic anthropologist, so I would think he's qualified to offer his opinion.

Let's see if HHJP allows it to be heard. :waitasec:

Maybe because he and JB are breaking the rules of court?? Cheating, kind of?

Eidetic
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
This doctor has been familiar with this case/evidence for 4 months since right before his report in February 2011.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
HHJP is getting ready to ruin JB's day.

Bon
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
JB is going to be in big big big trouble before he knows it.

Big...HUGE


He should be in big trouble already! When is this non sense going to STOP???

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
received pics from JB feb, kept things out of report. Non issue. Whew, here we go again.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
Doc states he formed the opinion THIS YEAR! Feb 21st. Didn't include it in report because it was a non-issue...

then why testify about it?

LEFT-COASTER
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
smh... JB dont learn nuttin.. he keeps trying to break the rules

adb263
06-18-2011, 09:23 AM
I think JB is in big trouble!!

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Duct tape NON ISSUE ?????

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Was not asked about it...did he just say he could not make a definiitive conclusion.

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Uhoh. Another guy who has opinions but does not note them in his report. HHJP doesn't seem happy about this.

Aren't they supposed to enter all opinions in the report.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Told ya...JB squanders a good witness.

Predictible as rain.

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
JB says what we understood from the court order was that if it was not included in the report or included in the witness deposition, it would be precluded from trial.

JB: Pull out that portion and read it Mr. Baez.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Feb. 21, 2011, is the date of Dr. Rodriguez' report. He talked with JB about the duct tape via phone, but did not include it in the report.

RammerJammer
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
JB didn't do HIS job! Surprise, surprise!

Lexiintoronto
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Looks like JP is as sick of sidebars as we are...

(photos below are from before the trial)

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/baez-vs-ashton.png?w=426&h=285

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/baez-ashton-2-sleeping.png?w=426&h=190

mitzi
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
JB's looking worse and worse.

Stella5
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Ooohhh.... Baez did not tell him that his opinion was to be in a report submitted to the Court. Come on HHJP, time for a Jose Smack Down!

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Ultimately, this witness will be good for the defense: there is a dead spot in her backyard, there is a decomp stain in her car, and the wooded site was under water for months. jmo

So JB is gonna say RK was moving Caylee's body around in the Anthony's back yard before removing it and taking it 15 houses down the street?

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
Why does HHJP only get pizzed when Ashton objects?? He has every right to object, as does the defense, yet the judge doesn't looked mad when they object. I don't get it.

Cause he wants Baez to hurry up and finish his examination of the witness and stop putting us through this agony of Baez's questioning. IMO.

Just K
06-18-2011, 09:24 AM
New tactic JB is trying to force the judge to call a mistrial!

What'sThatClue
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Witness was never given court order nor instructed by JB re the court order re testimony not in report

CementPond
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Dang! Baez being sneaky AGAIN!!!!!!!!! And getting caught AGAIN!

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
AAAAAHHHHH this witness same as yesterday's !!!! sneaky or is it just JB who is being sneaky

tragco
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Oh good, the witness is answering in great detail about the information he wants to give which is nowhere mentioned in the report, and he says he formulated the opinion early on when he received the first pictures. HHJP: Why didn't you include this in your report? Witness: I didn't mention it because it was a non issue. I wasn't asked at that time anything about the duct tape. I noted it in my examination but did not include it in my report. I did share my opinion with Mr. Baez in a telephone conversation (lol) HHJP: Were you informed by Mr. Baez in particular that all information was to be included in reports? Witness: I was not aware of that. HHJP: Did you ever see my court order that said that all these opinions must be included in the report or not given? Witness: Mr. Baez never informed me of this court's order.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAA

4realtho
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
OMG, JB never informed the witness of the court order.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Shared findings with Baez. To quote the inmate - Surprise, surprise.

Baez never told him to include all opinions in his report!

Beyond Belief
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Poor representation for the defendant.....

snowshuze
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Yikes! Mr Baez in twubble.

Drama Queen
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
I believe that someone's head is going to roll over this~!!!!
And...I believe it will be JB.

ynotdivein
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
#CaseyAnthony Today's revelation raises questions as to whether Baez may-may have advised experts to omit key opinions from reports.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:24 AM

Florida Native
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
JB should be sanctioned for this IMO. I can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just inexperienced. :banghead:

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
JP should give so much latitude, I know he is good, but the judge set these parameters.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
HHJP is very tired of all of this

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Does it matter if JB advised this guy of the courts order? Isn't it if JB knows about the order?

Ricki
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
JA will crucify this guy on cross exam.

Shared his opinion with JB over phone in 07. Dr being asked if he knew all opinions must be filed in report. Baez never informed Dr of this.

Sleuths4Me
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
JB trying to cover his butt again...

momtective
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
ICA, it appears that ya boy hasn't been doing his job! :floorlaugh:

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
JB is going to be sanctioned!!!


Is the jury in the room?

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 09:25 AM
Is Jose trying to impeach his own witness?

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
OK... finally HHJP is fed up and may put his foot down. He must! Baez is taking total advantage of his situation and HHJP's patience. IMHO

katydid23
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
OMG> So Baez is now going to 'correct' his witness about sending him e-mails about the court order?

Just K
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
(photos below are from before the trial)

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/baez-vs-ashton.png?w=426&h=285

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/baez-ashton-2-sleeping.png?w=426&h=190

perfect pictures!

adb263
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
I swear JB goes in Cover his A** mode!! Doesn't much care about ICA. JMO

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Uhoh. Another guy who has opinions but does not note them in his report. HHJP doesn't seem happy about this.

Aren't they supposed to enter all opinions in the report.

I believe this is JB's fault, not this witnesses fault. The failure in communication appears to have come from the DT.

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
I personally think this man should be excused as a witness. I thought all along that if Baez's witnesses did not comply with the order of the court, they could not testify in court.

Will HHJP allow this man to continue?

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Remember all the tooth pulling that had to happen to get these reports? Now we know why!

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Jury is not in the room

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Yikes - Baez is doing CMA and is trying to sacrifice his own witness to accomplish it? Wowzers.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
GRRRR.

Baez is trying to salvage the witness...please HHJP this IS trial by ambush! Please stop allowing him to circumvent the rules!

Just K
06-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Bet those emails were dated after he submitted his report.

Cabin girl
06-18-2011, 09:27 AM
Jury is not in the room

Eidetic
06-18-2011, 09:27 AM
The witness is supposed to be accepted as an expert or a professional when he conducts himself this way in a courtroom? He and Baez know better, or at least they should.

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:27 AM
Did he just say JB just asked him TWO nights ago to testify to the duct tape? Desperation!

jmfstl
06-18-2011, 09:27 AM
JB is trying to point out that he didn't know the SA would be doing the super imposition therefore he now has an opinion about that testimony.

I still don't think it should come in as it was not in his report.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:27 AM
I like this witness...sue me. ;)

pinkfly
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
Not only is JB an inexperienced lawyer but he is also defending a guilty client so I guess resorting to trickery to try to create doubt is pretty much all he has left.

ahoyhoy
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
JB should be sanctioned for this IMO. I can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just inexperienced. :banghead:

TOTALLY AGREE......HHJP needs to dismiss this witness----RIDICULOUS. JB has NO respect for the Court, or the LAW!!!

Serjen
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
I don't think JP was frustrated with JA's objections, I think he is frustrated that JB keeps making these damn mistakes that lead to all these objections/sidebars

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
This guy is blushing but JB isn't...JB is the one who is at fault. What does that tell you. JB has no scruples.

ynotdivein
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
DUCT TAPE SHOULD NEVER BE ANYWHERE "AROUND" A CHILD'S HEAD, DR. RODRIGUEZ!!!

*sits on hands*

watergirl
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
IIRC the taphonomy expert wasn't approved by HHBP or the JAC, right?

Bon
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
JB should be sanctioned for this IMO. I can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just inexperienced. :banghead:

Totally agree, JP needs to put his foot down now and stop JB in his tracks. This is so not fair to the SA.....

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
I cannot believe I am *surprised* at baez. I bet witness is furious, made to look a fool on the stand - I do believe this is on JB for not telling this fella.

jmfstl
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
I have to go to work in a few minutes. Will be watching twitter on the way and then stealthly if that is a word from work.

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
perfect pictures!

OMG! I missed that - thank you! It says everything!!!

MaryAnn
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
Is JB throwing his witness under the bus?

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
JB is going to be in big big big trouble before he knows it.

Big...HUGE

I hope so, but I have a feeling he will yet again get away with his wily ways and deceit.

tragco
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Baez is saying it's all the court's fault because they didn't give him enough time.

alwaysonmymind
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
IMO, Baez is setting up a very effective appeal based on ineffective counsel.
Very ineffective....

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Cabin girl
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
I really hope HHJP does not let JB get away with this 2 days in a row

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Didn't JB just purger his own witness? When HHJP asked witness if he knew about or read the court's order to include everything in his report that he would testify to, the witness said, "No." But JB just asked him if he remembered the emails he had sent that stated basically the same thing ~ and the witness then said, "Yes."
Now, what did that do? JB is cleared; he did the right thing; he is a good boy. The witness? He looks like he's lied. No?

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Ready to hear a smack down? It's coming.

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
JB is trying to cover his own butt. This is trial by ambush. Excuses for his behavior.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Baez will suffer dire consequences?!?!?

What about his client!

Quiche
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
So JB is gonna say RK was moving Caylee's body around in the Anthony's back yard before removing it and taking it 15 houses down the street?

It should say State, I went back and corrected it! Sorry guys. :doh:

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Did he just say JB just asked him TWO nights ago to testify to the duct tape? Desperation!


omg, did he say that? I missed it (kids in the room :biglaugh:) once again I am thrilled to hear JB is DESPERATE.

Amster
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Whine, whine, whine....HHJP will give in to JB. Wait for it.

andalso
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Can HHJP request copies of these e-mails from JB or the witness?

momtective
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
OMG Jose is making out like this is the witnesses fault....does Jose or his staff not ever check to make sure this carp is done! They know what is expected...gahhhh dang!

watergirl
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Farce!

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
I don't understand Baez's thinking here.
If this duct tape testimony was not included in his report, then why the heck did he even bring it up. It doesn't matter if the man included it or not, If the opinion was not included it is up to the attorney to leave it out! Baez chose to bring it in.

adb263
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
####$$%%$#@@^&$#@##@ Giving myself a time OUt!! lol

Stella5
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
In what universe does JB think he's done anything timely? And btw Jose, you've had 3 years! 3! You have 6 attorney's sitting over there with ICA, the state only has 3. Do the math. You should be more than prepared, and yet are not.

fla*mom
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
This is insane. This witness is not going to like being embarassed like this. I am sure this is a very smart man in his field JB is ruining yet another chance to look like he knows how to be a lawyer.

katydid23
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
SO the duct tape was PLACED SOMEWHERE AROUND THE HEAD? Really?

HOW DOES THAT HELP THE DEFENSE? If the duct tape was placed somewhere around the 'head' of a child, what could that mean? Was it used as a headband?

BigFatMommyDog
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
the time constraints that were placed upon us? Really?

CementPond
06-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Yet another witness who looks bad BECAUSE of JB!!! Shame.

Just K
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
TO THE STATE'S ATTORNEY:
Please have an adult witness hold up the exact size piece of duct tape and place it directly over the mandible on both sides and show everyone, once and for all that even on a large adult face that a piece of duct tape would cover both the mouth and at least most of the nostrils!

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
JB trying to weasel out of facing consequences. Please, please HHJP don't let him continue.

Ricki
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
I do not believe JB to be truthful to the JP regarding reports and what he told his witness. JB has filed reports late or not at all. Just pass the buck JB, you do it so well!

momtective
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
Jose is all but calling the witness a liar! :eek:

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
Excuse this witness!

kathyn2
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
Why is Baez always whining. Always thinks he should be allowed special priviledge. Please judge, shoot this down!!!

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
Uggh I had to mute Baaeeeyyyez but he's doing hos large hand gestures and head snaps.

4realtho
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
Slap down please

pipkins
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
JB you are such a naughty boy :loser:

miss plum
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
'A matter of days' that turns out to be 20 days or so would be more accurately described as 'a matter of weeks'.

Pass me the tums.

Bon
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
If he gets away with this, I have to stop watching...........just not a fair trial.

GolferChick
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
This is awful; JB doesn't do his job, tries to sneak in testimony not in the report and throws his witness under the bus. Please Honorable Judge, shut him down!

SAgal
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
JB is actually arguing with the JUDGE? I don't believe this!

Cherry Baby
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
Time constraints? You've got to be kidding!

JB is stammering up, down, and all around. Sorry JB, you were told over and over and over again what the rules are.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
Whoo boy, JB is really grandstanding to the judge. Not good for JB. JJBP is not in a good mood today.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
HHJP called JB on the carpet for calling his witness a liar!

What'sThatClue
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
OMG, JB telling HHJP that this is not reasonable and it's the SA's fault they didn't depose this witness

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
HHJP just caught JB in another lie!!!!

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
OMG! JB needs to stop this whining about the Judge's rules and his own errors!

Or his own chosen omitting

MissJames
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
I believe this is JB's fault, not this witnesses fault. The failure in communication appears to have come from the DT.

This was a HUGE deal ,Baez was sanctioned $$$ at one point and he did this on purpose for a reason. The State should be able to ask about opinions IN A DEPO before the trial. This is trial by ambush.

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
DUCT TAPE SHOULD NEVER BE ANYWHERE "AROUND" A CHILD'S HEAD, DR. RODRIGUEZ!!!

*sits on hands*

Love it... Dr G Rocks.. :-) Thanks!

Oakley
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
KC is totally just going in her head, spaced out looking, remembering things?

She's glancing at Jose and thinking "He's not a bad liar. But I'm so much better at it."

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
Are we witnessing the creation of "The Baez Rule"? Which states that all possible witnesses will be informed of any and all orders of The Court which may or may not have an affect on their possible future testimony.

ohiogirl
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
He is trying to claim this testimony is in rebuttal of the SA's witness. Too bad the good DR. just told His Honor that he told JB about this months ago.

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
I don't think JP was frustrated with JA's objections, I think he is frustrated that JB keeps making these damn mistakes that lead to all these objections/sidebars

The problem is they are not mistakes, Baez plans all of his dishonest pranks.

andalso
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
ICA and JB are 2 peas in a pod!
Have either of them heard the expression "oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive"

LancelotLink
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
Oh, Ho! There comes that odd question again, raising its ugly head. I knew he was up to something...

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
Did JB just say that he didn't expect the duct tape position to become an issue in this trial??
It's supposed to be the murder weapon FGS. Of course it's an issue.

4realtho
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
JB is just like his client ICA...LIAR!

Marple
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
JB complaining that the DT was never given the superimposed video w/the duct tape. They did not anticipate that testimony and since they didn't know about the video, he couldn't ask this witness about it back then and that's why it is not in his report.

He's trying to get this witness to testify before the jury that the video tape of the duct tape superimposed over little Caylee is incorrect, improper, bad lawyerin', etc.

JB very whiny, IMO. Accuses the SA of "pulling a fast one".

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
Farce!

Yes!!!!! And it smells like one too. :floorlaugh:

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:31 AM
Didn't JB just purger his own witness? When HHJP asked witness if he knew about or read the court's order to include everything in his report that he would testify to, the witness said, "No." But JB just asked him if he remembered the emails he had sent that stated basically the same thing ~ and the witness then said, "Yes."
Now, what did that do? JB is cleared; he did the right thing; he is a good boy. The witness? He looks like he's lied. No?

And that shows that JB is aware of the order, yet asked the questions anyway. And boo hoo he didn't know the animation was coming. It's the name of the game...be prepared for anything. Isnt' that debate 101? Which I never took.

Sleuths4Me
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
"most of our experts are extremely busy" um yeah so are the state's. It is YOUR responsibility to make sure they give you everything..after getting the report you ask..is this everything? Now he is trying to throw the state under the bus saying they didn't give him the video of the tape in time..but I do believe they did:banghead::banghead::banghead::maddening:

jon_burrows
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Whine, whine, whine....HHJP will give in to JB. Wait for it.

ITA. Someone is lying, JB or the witness...wonder which one.

IMO

Sweetbaboo
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
JB is being so rude to his own witness, he will likely be friendly to the state.

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
What does CM's face look like right now?

ZsaZsa
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Hinky Meters are ringing everywhere. Why didn't he ask for reports at the time of the evaluation? He had expert opinions but no written comments?
This was one of those opinions that HHJP had to force him to get a written report on.
Poor me, that's all JB can come up with!

Ricki
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
OMG JB is now blaming the state for playing a fast one. This is maddening to say the least. MAKE HIM STOP

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
DUCT TAPE SHOULD NEVER BE ANYWHERE "AROUND" A CHILD'S HEAD, DR. RODRIGUEZ!!!

*sits on hands*

True. But he's only trying to testify that, in his opinion, it is not scientifically possible to say with certainty where the duct tape was positioned on the skull. Even witnesses for the state have said as much. He's not rendering an opinion on whether or not duct tape should ever be there, kwim?

Eidetic
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Now Baez is blaming it on SA. So let's see, he's thrown his witness under the bus, SA...
who's next?

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Whine, whine, whine....HHJP will give in to JB. Wait for it.

LOL now what you were saying about HHJP preferring JB?

This is great! Now he is trying to blame the SA.....

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
OMG, complaining about having to sit through depos!

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
So JA already knew there would be tricks.

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
If you told the truth JB you would not have problems with speaking!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
JB complaining that he had to sit in hundreds of depositions, he didn't want to but it was his duty

adb263
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Well of course....Its the states fault!! silly me...

YellowSubmarine
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Yes! HHJP bring the smack down!

RammerJammer
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
GO Judge Perry!!!!!!!!!!!

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Casey shaking head no. LOL.

PalmettoGirl
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Oh snap!! HHJP asking Baez if he thinks he can choose what court orders he listens to.

Beyond Belief
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
OMG, Baez is a <modsnip>, you never disagree with the judge...........

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
HHJP smacking down

suzihawk
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
hahahaha This is so ridiculous it's funny.

I'm not tryin to pull a fast one, honest Judge.

We're so overworked.

Wah, wah, wah.

pinkfly
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Baez will suffer dire consequences?!?!?

What about his client!



I am hoping that both suffer the consequences appropriate to their behavior

Stella5
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
HHJP to Baez... What you're saying is you can pick which court orders you will comply with, and which court orders you will not comply with. Both sides have engaged in what I call game playing and this is not a game!

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
JB is digging deeper and deeper.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 09:32 AM
JJBP: Basically what you are saying Mr. Baez, you are picking what court orders you will abide by and which ones you will not.

miss plum
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
Give us the old frazzle-grizzle.

Marple
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
HHJP explaining the JB can't pick and choose which court orders he complies with. (JP is steady and angry, IMO). This is not a game, he says!

MissDiva
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
Did JB say he disagreed with the judge when the judge said that he can't choose what court orders he can and can't comply with?

What'sThatClue
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
HHJP: What you are sayin', Mr. Baez, is that you can pick and choose which court orders you'll comply with. .............this is not a game

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
Judge is not pleased. We have a problem. Game Playing....both sides.

Eileen730
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
This is not a game!!!!! HHJP

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
Wow, Baez says this is the state's fault for not deposing this witness?! sheesh.

jmfstl
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
HHJP says both sides have engaged in game playing and hes not having it

Liz
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
Baez is digging himself into a hole ... deeper and deeper by the minute.

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
HHJP:...this will not happen in this courtroom


JB: I couldnt disagree more, your honour.

you coulda hear a pin drop in my house when JB said that :|

RammerJammer
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
What you're basically saying, sir, is that you can pick and choose which court orders you comply with."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 8:32 AM

THIS IS NOT A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!

Neurotripsy
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
"This is not a game."
Thank you!

Donjeta
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
Judge You're trying to pick and choose which court orders to comply with and that's not gonna happen any more

JB I couldn't disagree with you more

:O

Sweetbaboo
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
"I couldn't disagree with you more" - words you never want to say to the judge.

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 09:33 AM
I'm a total novice and I can see Baez does not like to follow rules and it's scary...
Does anyone know how the prosecution is "game playing?" maybe my bias didn't allow me to see it. Thanks

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
HERE IT COMES! You are going to pick which court orders you are going to comply with!!!

Serjen
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
Now i see why JB is ICA's lawyer...they share the same 'ideals': When caught in a lie, blame anyone and everyone else but yourself.

jon_burrows
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
JBP - Both sides have engaged in game playing, this is not a game.

IMO

momtective
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
Ooooowwwweeeee HHJP is pizzed!

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
He did not disclose when this information came to light. You disclose even if it happens at the last minute......

KathrynL
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
HHJP is not having it, and will not allow either side to play games. He is an excellent judge. And not playing to the cameras as LKB has accused him of doing.

Velouria
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
hahahaha This is so ridiculous it's funny.

I'm not tryin to pull a fast one, honest Judge.

We're so overworked.

Wah, wah, wah.

They're so overworked, they don't have time to pick up their copies at Staples, poor things!

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
Both sides have engaged in game playing!

HHJP is pizzed off beyond belief.

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
IMO he says "both side" to protect on appeal.

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
HHJP is mad as heck.

He's laying hte smack down.

Bon
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
ITA. Someone is lying, JB or the witness...wonder which one.

IMO

I'll answer that one for you, JB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
Quite ironic that we were here this morning to talk about a possible rule of sequestration.

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
Hah, finally. The judge was very clear in the beginning. He set deadlines. And JB has had a lot of time to do this.

BigFatMommyDog
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
JB is digging deeper and deeper.

give him Burner's shovel!

Apex-mom
06-18-2011, 09:34 AM
WOW. HHJP is furious.

Serjen
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Possible violations of rule of sequestration? Is that what JP said they met at 8:30 for? Is that about someone on the jury?? I'm so confused now...

bobloblaw
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
possible violation of the rule of sequestration? Wow, anyone heard about this?

SarahEcho
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
I really appreciate the common sense of this judge in trying to keep both sides from going into circus mode.

Amster
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
CM is gearing up to scream "mistrial"!!!

PalmettoGirl
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
HHJP-it appears to me this was quite intentional. It was not an inadvertant slip.

MissDiva
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Intentional, not inadvertent slip, per the judge's opinion.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
I think HHJP stayed up looking up how to handle these issues

andalso
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
My jaw is on the floor! WOW!

What'sThatClue
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
HHJP: This was not some inadvertent slip...

CementPond
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Judge says it appears intentional.

Cabin girl
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
HHJP this was quite intentional

ZsaZsa
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
HHJP cannot ever give JB the azzkicking he needs without telling him that JA probably needed one too!
We know who the dirty player is in this room and it's not JA...

Velouria
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Now i see why JB is ICA's lawyer...they share the same 'ideals': When caught in a lie, blame anyone and everyone else but yourself.

Serjen, I need this on a t-shirt. :clap:

Bon
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Both sides have engaged in game playing!

HHJP is pizzed off beyond belief.

I don't get how JP says both sides......so not true, IMO!

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
it's ironic we were supposed to be here at 8:30 to discuss a violation of the rule of sequestration.

Apex-mom
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
" It appears to me that this was quite intentional." - HHJP

ebedeeb
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Its quite ironic that we were here to talk about a possible violation of the rule of sequestration.....I guess Spitz shouldnt have been giving those media interviews....

SharonBear4
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Intentional!!!! YES!!!

downport
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Judge: " Both sides involved in game play. This is not a game"

I have more and more admiration & respect for this man every day. All Americans should be proud of his respect for our justice system

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Man, HHJP laying JB out for this omission. Good for him!

Eye Wonder
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
OMG im getting scared...

Macushla
06-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Whoa, wow, OMG! Judge has finallly had enough!

adb263
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
"It appears to me that this was quite intentional. This was not some inadvertent slip."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 9:35 AM

jon_burrows
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
They were there early for possible breach of rule of sequestration, did I hear that right? Could we lose a juror?

IMO

BigFatMommyDog
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Quite ironic that we were here this morning to talk about a possible rule of sequestration.

I wondered about that...

ohhh Major SMACK DOWN coming

this was a deliberate trick!

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Now i see why JB is ICA's lawyer...they share the same 'ideals': When caught in a lie, blame anyone and everyone else but yourself.

They are TWO peas in a pod! HHJP says both sides have engaged in games. The SA has not gotten any lecture like this though.

PalmettoGirl
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
WOW, HHJP questioning if ICA should be punished for this.

Leilei
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
"Quite intentional!" Oh boy, here we go...

Kat
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Dang I just signed on and Perry is HOT.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Contempt!

Liz
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Wow! Judge says (how ironic) that they were there in court at 8:30 this morning to talk about a violation of sequestration of the jurors. .... wonder what that was about?!

Judge Perry seems to be fuming mad!

YellowSubmarine
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
No wonder HHJP is so grumpy today!

npcougar
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Quite ironic that we were here this morning to talk about a possible rule of sequestration.

Wonder what that was????

ynotdivein
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Wow. This is beautiful.

ebedeeb
06-18-2011, 09:36 AM
HHJP: It was not inadvertent