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BigFatMommyDog
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
that's right ICA, it's all about you! Muah!

frrlk
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
Who said this the other day? "Wipe, look, wipe, look, wipe, look"

Cabin girl
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
I can't wait till JA gets up

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
I wonder what the jury thinks about ICA looking like ice while they talk about decay, rot, pigs, maggots, bloat, putrification....but mention SKULL or BONES CHEWED and she gets out the kleenex.

erinleigh
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
looks like ICA is "crying" i guess she forgot she's supposed to dissassociate due to molestion? i mean which is it? greiving mother or mother who disaccociates and is able to party same night?

coloradoteacher
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
I wish the SA would have asked in rebuttal to Dr. G why she was adamant about not opening the skull.

galerie
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
I can't wait either!

I just saw an actual tear on Casey's cheek!

she is probably crying because Baez got reprimanded

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
Bone marrow was collected! Just NOT from her skull - because there.was.no.reason.to.open.up.her.skull.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 10:47 AM
HHJP is allowing significant leeway with Dr. Spitz. Want to know why?


So he can give jA the same leeway on cross. IMO

Bon
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
Was it his son who appeared on HLN??

He was on Dr Drew's show last night...

cloud9
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
It is all completely immaterial to me

Animals got to this skull

Flood waters got to this skull

I don't care if it was laying on its left side or its right side at one point

it shouldn't have been there in the woods in the first place.

Exactly! This is irrelevant!

camcneishg
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
Oh CM just does not like Dr. G......he makes it so obvious with this witness.....I love it!

strawberry
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
OMG CA is listening to this?

summerthyme
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
I think ICA knows jurors were shocked at her laughter yesterday, so she's trying to make up for it today.

Softail
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
:doh: Dr. Spitz saying there was no tissue, no nerves, no blood, nothing!

Whisperer
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
So all this is for show. This is the defense last and only chance to impress a juror who has absolutely no kge of autopsies.

There wasn't an autopsy to do. All they had were bones. They did an examination of bones...period.

This is word shennigans being played here.

ohiogirl
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
Quoted from http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/06/casey-anthony-unfounded-conclusion-mystery-man-what-next.html from June 15:

WKMG-Channel 6 this afternoon talked to Dr. Werner Spitz, a forensic pathologist who disagrees with Dr. Jan Garavaglia’s conclusion that Caylee Anthony’s manner of death was homicide.

Spitz’s take on that finding? “Absolutely not,” Spitz told WKMG’s Tony Pipitone. “The determination of homicide is jumping to conclusions, because it is unfounded, I think.”

Pipitone conducted the first-rate interview, which showed his deep knowledge of the case.

But the analysts on WOFL-Channel 35 were stunned that a defense witness had gone on television. “If I were the defense attorneys, I’d be doing back flips,” attorney Hal Uhrig said. “You just don’t go on TV and go through a preview of what your expected testimony is going to be.” Attorney Diana Tennis said the defense attorneys had to be “horrified” that a witness was talking on television, which she called “unseemly and unprofessional.”

Spitz also told Pipitone: “I don’t know who put the duct tape on her. I don’t know the identity of that person. That would have been fine if somebody specifically had fingerprints on the duct tape. Well, that’s missing. I don’t know who did that. … The duct tape would have come off when the body decomposed, because there was no bond of the duct tape with the bone.”

Spitz said he will travel to Orlando on Thursday and could testify on Friday or Saturday. He said he had been working on the case for a year, had never submitted a bill and had never been paid by anyone.
In watching that interview, I disagree it was first rate. What is up with these news people?

First rate news reporters should not try to get witnesses disqualified by interviewing them when they are not allowed to talk. jmo of course

DesSands
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
ICA must be thinking - Jose! HHJP is going to punish ME because of YOU? WTH?

I think she's still so mesmerized by him, she doesn't get it. :floorlaugh:

beach
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
His credentials are impecable.

I find the posts disparAging this man & mocking him DUE TO HIS AGE are deplorable, discusting & ignorant.
If the mocking & disparaging references to his age were replaced by his color, religion, gender or sexual orientation ALL THOSE ignorant & deplorable posts would be removed.

Since when did age discrimination become aceptable ?
Judge him on the merits of his testimony. Not his age.
<modsnip>

I disagree that his credentials are impeccable....

BUT I completely agree about the disparaging references about Dr. Spitz's age.


Check yourselves and do it quickly. Addressing Dr. Spitz's credibility and testimony is fine. Leave the disaparging, cheap shots out of this thread.

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
I wonder what the jury thinks about ICA looking like ice while they talk about decay, rot, pigs, maggots, bloat, putrification....but mention SKULL or BONES CHEWED and she gets out the kleenex.

It is interesting that BONES are the only thing to set her off? :waitasec:

Wholehearted
06-18-2011, 10:48 AM
I think Dr. Spitz's lengthy digression on the lack of soft tissue is actually helping the SA.

Just K
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
So he put his fingerprints on her bones! He can contaminate the evidence and still not be contaminated!

strawberry
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
I actually saw a tear! o_o

Me too. I'm sure she's thinking she should have hid the evidence better.

Reality Orlando
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
No gloves to do the autopsy? I would think that would be protocol? Seems weird.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
No soft tissue...so the duct tape COULD have been attached to the mouth area, or the nose area. Or it could NOT have been positioned over those areas. I already know that. But why was it there at all? C'mon now, Dr.S. It was attached to the face of this child SOMEWHERE, wasn't it? It held this child's mandible in place during decomp, didn't it?

Broderick
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
I am sorry but his testimony is helping the SA case I think. He just said several things to bolster the SA case. One, that the body was there months and months and months and he admitted that the duct tape was on the face. He can go on and on about no this or that on the tape. JA will not have much to do with the witness to get him to agree with the SA conclusions...

Searchfortruth
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
I guess Casey is trying to show some emotion, but it's not at all convincing. A normal mother wouldn't be able to contain herself.

coloradoteacher
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
I wonder if the fact that she is crying now goes against the DT case that she is psychologically disturbed from abuse. It would be easy for the jury to think this was an act from the evidence that she was at blockbuster, hot body contest, etc. right after it happened as well as when 911 was called. Why the emotion now?

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
Witness: there was no damage. There was some damage to the bone but that was from the people who did the autopsy. He thought they opened it to take specimens from the bone marrow.

JA: objection
overruled

he thought they opened the bone to get the, to get the, to get the certain material that would be helpful but he learned that would not be the case. UM. SO. based on this examination the death remained unknown for those who did the examination.

Not a shred of soft tissue. no skin no...

he brought a bunch of gloves an apron he was worried he would get contaminated. He is happy about the skull he is holding. It will not get him sick. Three year old child. He did not need the supplies he brought.

He claims there was NO TAPE. AT ALL with the body when he saw it.

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 10:49 AM
Dr. spitz is just now telling the jury that Caylee was just bones....no tissue no vessels etc.

Trying to talk about the tape now.

This is not good testimony for the defense in that he emphasized to a great degree just how many months Caylee had been out there.

strawberry
06-18-2011, 10:50 AM
JA objecting to WS describing the pics...protecting Caylee's privacy IMO

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 10:50 AM
I think she's still so mesmerized by him, she doesn't get it. :floorlaugh:

I agree. She seemed almost emotionless during the smackdown. I don't think she gets what is happening.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 10:50 AM
Plants benift from minerals and chemistry of decomposition

Curious Me
06-18-2011, 10:50 AM
Dr. S was disappointed that there was not tissue or anything to require him to use the boatload of gloves and aprons he brought with him. ICA didn't speak up to tell anyone where the body was until it was totally decomposed is what I hear.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 10:50 AM
Dr. Spitz is just adding drama to the testimony. The autopsy was done properly in accordance with guidelines for skeletal remains. Remain calm.....he will not ruin this. JA is READY!!

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 10:50 AM
I really hope we get to Ashton's cross today! I'm putting so much faith in him!

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Why are the Anthony's in the courtroom?? I thought they left when Dr. G testified.

George left the courtroom when Dr Spitz began his testimony. He has not returned. Cindy is listening but not watching, her head is down.

Quiche
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Rut Ro


This is what you get when you get an elderly expert...he did not use gloves when he examined Caylee's skull...THAT is a big NO-NO!

I actually thought I heard that wrong! There was no need to protect HIMSELF! Whoa, so out of touch. Nice.

watergirl
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Anyone else notice her head bobbing?

Thoughts?

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Rut Ro


This is what you get when you get an elderly expert...he did not use gloves when he examined Caylee's skull...THAT is a big NO-NO!

Yep. I couldn't believe my ears! He said because his hands were clean? :eek:

CementPond
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
I think I will faint if the defense actually gets a witness up there that tells us something we don't know already. Sheesh!

Searchfortruth
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Dr. Spitz said that the skull was found on the left side, the same side that she lay on in the trunk of Casey's car, IIRC.

JustMeDeb
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Video of JP giving JB the smackdown:

http://www.wesh.com/r-video/28280696/detail.html

Ricki
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
I am sorry but his testimony is helping the SA case I think. He just said several things to bolster the SA case. One, that the body was there months and months and months and he admitted that the duct tape was on the face. He can go on and on about no this or that on the tape. JA will not have much to do with the witness to get him to agree with the SA conclusions...
Maybe Dr Spitz telling duct tape was loosely on the face is making that 1 tear in ICA. His words just go along with the states findings.

MissJames
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
So Dr. G was supposed to set aside standard protocol to let him into the autopsy,even though that it never done and the remains were not even identified, but she was not supposed to set (his) standard protocol of opening the skull, even though there was no tissue left and she could see into the skull.
Remember,she rinsed the interior out .

strawberry
06-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Quoted from http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/06/casey-anthony-unfounded-conclusion-mystery-man-what-next.html from June 15:

WKMG-Channel 6 this afternoon talked to Dr. Werner Spitz, a forensic pathologist who disagrees with Dr. Jan Garavaglia’s conclusion that Caylee Anthony’s manner of death was homicide.

Spitz’s take on that finding? “Absolutely not,” Spitz told WKMG’s Tony Pipitone. “The determination of homicide is jumping to conclusions, because it is unfounded, I think.”

Pipitone conducted the first-rate interview, which showed his deep knowledge of the case.

But the analysts on WOFL-Channel 35 were stunned that a defense witness had gone on television. “If I were the defense attorneys, I’d be doing back flips,” attorney Hal Uhrig said. “You just don’t go on TV and go through a preview of what your expected testimony is going to be.” Attorney Diana Tennis said the defense attorneys had to be “horrified” that a witness was talking on television, which she called “unseemly and unprofessional.”

Spitz also told Pipitone: “I don’t know who put the duct tape on her. I don’t know the identity of that person. That would have been fine if somebody specifically had fingerprints on the duct tape. Well, that’s missing. I don’t know who did that. … The duct tape would have come off when the body decomposed, because there was no bond of the duct tape with the bone.”

Spitz said he will travel to Orlando on Thursday and could testify on Friday or Saturday. He said he had been working on the case for a year, had never submitted a bill and had never been paid by anyone.

So he basically admitted that someone DID put duct tape on Caylee???

Wise Old Owl
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Did he just say that he DIDN'T wear gloves while conducting his autopsy because it was just bone? You ALWAYS WEAR GLOVES! OMG

back. to. sitting. on. hands.

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Plants, minerals, chemistry, dog, bus car...

CM: dr. g said the duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomp what do ya say?

when duct tape is applied to the skin...the duct tape does not do anything it becomes loose because the flesh has rotted off...

oh, so it couldn't have been on her because now CAYLEE has NO FLESH so............well there you go

he says the bone shows you it was never attached. Oh, that makes sense.

Amster
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
So....what! The duct tape was to hold the jaw in place?

uklaw
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
:maddening:

Legitimate though.

It must be borne in mind that we (in the UK, USA, Canada, in fact every democracy apart from Continental Europe unless much mistaken) have an Adversarial Legal System.

That means both sides present the evidence and arguments that support their position (I have always thought as a matter of propriety that a Public Prosecutor should be restricted from presenting evidence which could at all be misleading or portray the truth of the matter in a false light and be under a greater duty to actually ensure that the evidence they present does not represent anything thats not true).

Therefore, it is entirely proper that the Defense present evidence to rebut and undermine the prosecutions case and their evidence and witnesses. To not do so when ethically possible would be (in my view) malpractice and ineffective assistance.

Indeed, I feel that the Defense have not adequately represented ICA's position and that as such the prosecution have an upper hand in adversarial proceedings.

Link:
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YellowSubmarine
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
I think it's amusing he's repeating over and over about the tape being on her face since the DT said there is no proof of that

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Anyone else notice her head bobbing?

Thoughts?

Casey's head? Yep, very slight but constant bobbing.

beach
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
I am sorry but his testimony is helping the SA case I think. He just said several things to bolster the SA case. One, that the body was there months and months and months and he admitted that the duct tape was on the face. He can go on and on about no this or that on the tape. JA will not have much to do with the witness to get him to agree with the SA conclusions...

I agree. I think Cheney Mason is wishing he could shush him up. He gives far too lengthy and wordy narratives. This is not turning out as CM had hoped. lol

Ricki
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Anyone else notice her head bobbing?

Thoughts?

I think she may be tapping her legs under the table.

passionflower
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
I saw an actual tear. She's getting better at this...

maybe they got smart and put an onion in her tissue..............had to say that, bad me. I better sit on hands now!

21merc7
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Anyone else notice her head bobbing?

Thoughts?

Jiggling feet under table, focusing on creating emotion thought necessary

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
The roots and the hair held the duct tape in place per WS.

Nothing on bones to suggest duct tape. Oh my.

Feels duct tape was placed to HOLD the lower jaw in place - post mortem. Oh my.

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
And I am so sure that someone would go through all that trouble to put duct tape on skeletal remains that no one wants found, just to hold the mandible in place. Really?

Insanity at it's finest.

Oakley
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Is he implying the duct tape was placed post-mortem? Both Dr G and I think Dr Haskell (not sure there) opined that it was applied pre-mortem.

Ssejors
06-18-2011, 10:52 AM
DR. WS saying the duct tape was placed there to hold the jaw in place.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
Witness: there was no damage. There was some damage to the bone but that was from the people who did the autopsy. He thought they opened it to take specimens from the bone marrow.

JA: objection
overruled

he thought they opened the bone to get the, to get the, to get the certain material that would be helpful but he learned that would not be the case. UM. SO. based on this examination the death remained unknown for those who did the examination.

Not a shred of soft tissue. no skin no...

he brought a bunch of gloves an apron he was worried he would get contaminated. He is happy about the skull he is holding. It will not get him sick. Three year old child. He did not need the supplies he brought.

He claims there was NO TAPE. AT ALL with the body when he saw it.

I assume because it had already been collected as evidence. So he couldn't examine the skull exactly as it was found when recovered. Interesting.

MaryAnn
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
Duck Tape put on to hold Caylee's lower jaw in place? I don't think ICA cared about her jaw

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
There was no flesh on the face, so the duct tape could not have been stuck to her. That is what I am hearing.

If you put tape on a smooth JAR, he is going to show us now....it will not stick. SEE. SEE?

katydid23
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
So this duct tape was placed there to keep the lower jaw in place????????

HOW does that help the defense? I don't think it does.

mck16
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
Does he know that CA's little body lay in a swamp for 6 months?

Steely Dan
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
I can't wait either!

I just saw an actual tear on Casey's cheek!

BBM


Oh geeze - she's crying now (sort of) - that'll be all over the msm


I saw an actual tear. She's getting better at this...


I actually saw a tear! o_o

Does the prison library have books on acting?


ICA must be thinking - Jose! HHJP is going to punish ME because of YOU? WTH?

Oh, maybe that explains it.

YellowSubmarine
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
#CaseyAnthony Spitz definitely connecting with jury.by bobkealing via twitter at 8:53 AM

Cherry Baby
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
This business about the duct tape is mute to me - if there was no dna traces due to the conditions I don't find there would have been any skin left on the duct tape.

As the Rocky Horror particpants say - Same room, different lights, cheap movie. Once again cross should be very interesting.

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
So this witness in his testimony about roots growing into the bones has bolstered the State's case that Caylee was there for many months. :)

susan1122
06-18-2011, 10:53 AM
Seems to me that ICA cry's with bones and foliage. Bugs and Pigs don't bother her at all. JMO

And I've noticed she always cries when someone calls her a good mother. Which seems like some twisted form of "poor me". Like she believes she is a martyr. She has said she is a victim, too, right? Anyone have any opinions on that? I'd love to hear.

Reality Orlando
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
Either holding the jaw or over the face...either way it would have skin cells...that makes no sense.

KathrynL
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm just now thinking that KC manages some tears for this kind testimony because it brings to mind what a shocker it was when someone actually found where she dumped her daughter's body. :cow:

coloradoteacher
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
I think what will backfire for this witness is the fact that the hair would not have remained there if there was no duct tape while the hair was still attached to the scalp. This was already testified to.

npcougar
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
DNA on the tape would have been expected? Even the adhesive had gone from the duct tape.

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
I am amused that he says he is absolutely convinced that perhaps the tape was placed to hold the jaw in place. he doesnt sound certain.

well sir I am ABSOLUTELY convinced that it CERTAINLY was placed to KEEP BREATH FROM OCCURING.

heartfortruth
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
I am not sure this testimony is relevant given the conditions the skull was subjected to for months.

But I'm still listening intently.

and I am here waiting for you to tell me what the doctor says.............I have my sound muted..........tia ;O)

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
I think ICA knows jurors were shocked at her laughter yesterday, so she's trying to make up for it today.

yes, you are so right. Yesterday, what was said about babies in blankets was emotional for me........yet not even a tear from ICA. Totally told about that, and she has adjusted today.

MaryAnn
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
Did he submerge his arm under water for 6 months?

Broderick
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
#CaseyAnthony Spitz definitely connecting with jury.by bobkealing via twitter at 8:53 AM

But he is not helping the defense much in my estimation at all. If anything, he is helping the SA. So easy to cross I think.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
He would have expected DNA?! After all that flooding?! And the tape no longer attached to soft tissue because there WAS no soft tissue?! Seriously?!

TiaM
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
I really hope we get to Ashton's cross today! I'm putting so much faith in him!

Don't count on it by the way CM is just letting him talk on and on unchecked, and CM is subtly checking his watch in order to eat up time. :banghead:

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
Twitter Twitter Twitter: ten o clock JURY DOES NOT LIKE THIS WITNESS. Juror number four is ready to find Casey guilty.

I can twitter too. :)

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
:doh: Dr. Spitz saying there was no tissue, no nerves, no blood, nothing!

And there was also 'no nothing' in Casey for a reaction to his words.

kaki
06-18-2011, 10:54 AM
I wonder if the fact that she is crying now goes against the DT case that she is psychologically disturbed from abuse. It would be easy for the jury to think this was an act from the evidence that she was at blockbuster, hot body contest, etc. right after it happened as well as when 911 was called. Why the emotion now?

The DT probably instructed her to cry when they talk about bones when the jury is in the room... so she doesn't know yet to cry about decomp .. just bones and such talk..:crazy:

Stella5
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
Dr. Spitz... I put duct tape on my arm and pulled out hair by the roots. Tell me good Doctor, we're you dumped in a swamp & under water for weeks?

Solomisskitty
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
This duct tape scenario he's trying to put forth is crap IMO. Don't think it will fly with the jury either.

STEADFAST
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb202/toshroger/182comparison.png
. . .

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
Amazing, the real skull of baby Caylee does nothing to KC, a skull that does not belong to baby Caylee makes KC very upset. This is KC's best performance so far.

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
And I am so sure that someone would go through all that trouble to put duct tape on skeletal remains that no one wants found, just to hold the mandible in place. Really?

Insanity at it's finest.

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
Twitter: this witness is for sale the jurors think.

Lanie
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
I think that is standard practice in autopsies (at least according to this witness). I know it is commonly done in dissection theatres in anatomy classes.

I do know however, that when my mother died and was autopsied (a very much of a formality because of the law in the UK) that I did not notice any evidence of the skull cap being cut open (however, the funeral director may have tried to hiide it).

BBM

According to Dr. G, it is not a standard practice in autopsies.

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
Seems to me that ICA cry's with bones and foliage. Bugs and Pigs don't bother her at all. JMO


my personal guess is that when "checking" the remains after dumping, she saw animals at work....at that bothered her where murder and rot did NOT.

Curious Me
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
No doubt in Dr. S. mind that skin should have been on that duct tape 6 mos. later! After he put duct tape on his own arm and ripped it off, it had hairs in it. Big difference because the body of Caylee laid out there in the elements for 6 mos. Is he really a doctor?

kaRN
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
OMG he put tape on his arm and pulled off hair. Did He keep his arm submerged in a swamp for six months after he had amputated it???

Eye Wonder
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
So he is basically saying somebody put duct tape after the body was skeletonized to hold it there? Why didnt someone tape her whole skeleton then?? :banghead::banghead:

Sweetbaboo
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
I agree with others here. This witness is going to help the state and is going be be an easy cross for JA. Also, I get the impression that this guy might have been good in his day, but now seems a bit "foggy" due to his age.

What'sThatClue
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
WS: Duct tape was a later event...after decomp.

dunlurken
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
spitz should retire. I'm done with the defense. To even consider bringing on an old man who would question Dr. G is ludicrous. :banghead:

RR0004
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
Spitz is keeping the door wide open for Ashton to have his day. There is no mention of the elements. Just you wait. Comparing putting tape on his skin and the tape that was found ages after application is asking for trouble.

YellowSubmarine
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
DR. WS saying the duct tape was placed there to hold the jaw in place.


Really?!? Come on! If Caylee was going to be triple bagged and thrown out like trash, WHY on Earth would they need to tape her jaw in place????

This is ridiculous!

Snaz
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
OMG!! I want to scream! Does no one on this defense, including their witnesses, recognize that there was NO sticky left on the duct tape?! It was disintegrated!! Hopefully, Ashton will clear this up on cross... or in their rebuttal case.

Geeze, he put duct tape on his arm and got hairs on it.... good grief!!

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
Again Dr. Spitz making the case for how long the body was out there.

CementPond
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
If the tape was placed AFTER decomop, wouldn't it have been in better shape than it was found? And what would be the point?

strawberry
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
and I am here waiting for you to tell me what the doctor says.............I have my sound muted..........tia ;O)

Me too!!!!!

4realtho
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
So someone put duct tape on Caylee's skeleton (skull)?

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
What?? Dr. Spitz is saying the duct tape was put there AFTER decomposition? Did I hear that right? What????

Marina2
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
I saw an actual tear. She's getting better at this...
Here's a pic to immortalize this event.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/marina809/Casey/tear.jpg

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
Methinks there is ALOT here for the state to go after Dr. S on.

mitzi
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
So Dr. G was supposed to set aside standard protocol to let him into the autopsy,even though that it never done and the remains were not even identified, but she was not supposed to set (his) standard protocol of opening the skull, even though there was no tissue left and she could see into the skull.
Remember,she rinsed the interior out .

Can you imagine how the DT would HOWL, if it became known that Dr. G. didn't use gloves? But it's ok that this 'emminent' Dr. didn't.

I bet Mason's heart fell to his feet when he heard that Dr. Spitz didn't use gloves. Oh well...ya get what ya pay for.

ETA: in case anyone is wondering...Dr. G. DID use gloves..above was a hypothetical

wenwe4
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
Dr. Spitz examined entire skeleton very few bones missing....skull not been opened ..show jury what he found...he didn't find discoloration of certain parts of skull...place where ear is...mechanism of ear...side of ear...base and inside ...no fractures or blows identified on skull..skull intact and undamaged..some damage to some long bones on the leg....post-mortem by animals chewing on the flesh on bones...no damage other than that...area longer bone of the thigh - fairly long bone in a child 3 years old about 5" opened by first ME....he surmised they probably opened to take marrow....object....he thought they had done this to for purpose of removing material to get access to bone marrow cavity...purpose removing certain material helpful in diagnosis...subsequently learned this was not the case...based on this exam - cause of death remained unknown....for him some extent as well..

REad Dr. G's reference to duct tape? understand some sections of duct tape on lower face were loosely - not a shred of soft tissue no skin muscles, fat, nerves,

without gloves or apron touched - nothing to contaminate him - just as little to infect him or not allow him handle remains of 3 year old child...he didn't need all the material he brought....tape was not there when he saw...pictures duct tape showed on the right lower side hanging on hair and roots of vegetation in the area this was excavacted - lower partially under the surface of the ground...vegetation had grown into the material..plants benefit from minerals and chemistry generated by decomp.

Dr. G's report duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomp...what opinion do you have? some problem with it...when duct tape applied to skin- decomposes...duct tape becomes loose on the skeletal structure - in this case only thing held duct tape on face was roots and hair...don't know fashion duct tape came in contact....nothing on bone to suggest duct tape...nothing on duct tape to suggest it was on skin...his strong feeling and opinion that duct tape placed there to hold lower jaw in place....decomp with no trace of flesh on this head...if he would have picked it up like this...lower jaw would have dropped...just like he will show...this lower jaw is attached by ....touch this to remove it and lower jaw falls off...duct tape attached to the skull..would have been held somewhat by roots and maybe by fact there was hair between ducttape and lower jaw...would you expect dna on duct tape if placed on face? he would have expect dna yes...if duct tape would attached to the face...dna on theface from the duct tape..he put duct tape on his arm...when removed pulled out hairs with roots from the duct tape...no doubt in his mind - would have had duct tape on skin some presence of dna on that duct tape ...simple reason contact pressure between duct tape and skin....decomp less where there is no air coming in....bacteria cause decomp...

opinion tape not put on the face before decomp even antemortem...later event not an early one....after decomp...adipocere is stage

Wholehearted
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
"I think the duct was a later event, not an earlier event...after decomposition," Dr. Spitz.

That just doesn't make sense. He's now describing adipocere as "slimy, smelly...the comparison we examiners use...we call it soap."

So, who would put duct tape on a body in that state?

kaRN
06-18-2011, 10:56 AM
No doubt in Dr. S. that skin should have been on that duct tape 6 mos. later! Is he really a doctor?

He's a Dr who needs one.

katydid23
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Isn't the defense trying to say the duct tape was just used to 'close' the laundry bag.?

And Spitz just said it was used to hold the lower jaw closed.


Then he was asked about DNA being found on the duct tape---and he says it would have been there if it had been on the face. BUT THEN he says it was on the face, but only after Decomposition,.

YellowSubmarine
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Ashton is frantically scribbling notes and fidgeting. #caseyanthonyby jimlichtenstein via twitter at 8:55 AM

ohiogirl
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
DNA on the tape would have been expected? Even the adhesive had gone from the duct tape.

There has already been testimony that dna would not be expected after this amount of time submerged in water. Up to the jury to decide who to believe. I think they won't believe this testimony.
They have seen the pictures.
jmo

TiaM
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Why would THREE pieces of duct tape be needed to keep a little bitty mandible attached after decomp?

ONE would be more than sufficient - it couldn't have weighed more than a couple of onces.

FAIL

Softail
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Adipocere is like soap? :waitasec:

Ssejors
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
If you put ductape on a body and it skeletonizes, decomposes, would the skin dna on the ducttape not decompose just as her flesh and blood decomposed? Would it not be possible that, SINCE her entire flesh heart, lungs, brain, DECOMPOSED into DUST as DR.WS suggests, could the DNA on the ducttape NOT decompose and turn to dust?!?!


WHO puts duct tape on a body AFTER its decomposing???
To keep the mouth closed??! If the duct tape got there AFTER decomposition, then things are worse then I HAD EVER IMAGINED!

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
what about decomposition during this time, c'mon six months, and the bags broke down, and water got in, WS sounds real good, but when JA gets up there, he will bring the real facts out. IMO.

MissJames
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Well,soap is made with lard and ash (lye)

DawnTCB
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Dr. Spitz says he put duct tape on his arm, then pulled it off and there was hair and other material. Hope we ask him if he left it there for six months, often submerged in water and preferably while the skin beneath would be decomposing. That would be a comparable experiment.

Curious Me
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Adipocere is like soap. Like wet soap.

uklaw
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
BBM

According to Dr. G, it is not a standard practice in autopsies.

That is interesting then.

That is a matter for the experts to thrash out then.

passionflower
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
slimy, smelly, like wet soap, fat decomposing.............................BARF!
thanks for a side bar..............

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Adopocear is like SOAP.

Wow that is not what the maggot guy had to say about it?

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
This business about the duct tape is mute to me - if there was no dna traces due to the conditions I don't find there would have been any skin left on the duct tape.

As the Rocky Horror particpants say - Same room, different lights, cheap movie. Once again cross should be very interesting.

I agree. Does he not know the conditions the duct tape were subjected to> Hurricanes, sweltering heat, etc... I am dumbfounded by how this testimony is helping in any way....

watergirl
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
I am amused that he says he is absolutely convinced that perhaps the tape was placed to hold the jaw in place. he doesnt sound certain.

well sir I am ABSOLUTLY convinced that it CERTAINLY was placed to KEEP BREATH FROM OCCURING.

Reminds me of GA's "probably pretty positive."

momtective
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/23.jpg

DesSands
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
I wonder where they are going? not one tear yet out of ICA. they will get her a kleenex soon to poke her eye with

I swear all along I've been saying there is Vicks vapo rub somewhere. Stings the eyes pretty good. :floorlaugh:

gypsyblue
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
oooooh sidebar....I am guessing that was not in the report

Wholehearted
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
Twitter: this witness is for sale the jurors think.

That is strange. How can whoever tweeted that know what the jurors are thinking?

strawberry
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
CA is there..GA left. Just like in Steel Magnolias.

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
I thought it was greezy? Like chicken fat: or a piece of paper in a salami package? :confused:

Quiche
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
Twitter Twitter Twitter: ten o clock JURY DOES NOT LIKE THIS WITNESS. Juror number four is ready to find Casey guilty.

I can twitter too. :)

Ha! I knew she could judge with the best of them!

21merc7
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
CA and Lippman look okay

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
What?? Dr. Spitz is saying the duct tape was put there AFTER decomposition? Did I hear that right? What????

So he thinks it's was attached to the skeletal skull? Then why wasn't it still there if no soft tissue? Or it was just stuck in the hair mat while decomp occurred? So how did it GET there? :waitasec:

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
What does duct tape on his arm being pulled off right away and having hair and dna, have to do with decomposed duct tape in the woods and water 6 months on a decomposed body?!

Your guess is as good as mine. I'm only going to assume he didn't wrap himself in 2 trash bags, a laundry bag and lay himself down by a tree trunk in the middle of a hurricane and place the duct tape on his arm, then pull it off when the water subsided.

Although his testimony is intriguing and I do think he is a very smart man, he's leaving more questions than answers.

mitzi
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
Here's a pic to immortalize this event.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/marina809/Casey/tear.jpg

Let's title this one: My Own Witness Just Screwed Me

Just K
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
A quick image of CA in the gallery showed her laughing. Topic to sidebar Adipocere.

kaRN
06-18-2011, 10:58 AM
tape placed after decomposition by scubadivers in the swamp. BOMBSHELL!

wandering
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
What a mess.Why am I not surprised?
:banghead:

jojomonkey
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Here's a pic to immortalize this event.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/marina809/Casey/tear.jpg

Yep, that was the one.

bobloblaw
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
There has already been testimony that dna would not be expected after this amount of time submerged in water. Up to the jury to decide who to believe. I think they won't believe this testimony.
They have seen the pictures.
jmo



I do not remember the jurors being told about flooding.

Momma Hen
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Got to pipe in here without reading prior posts as I'm cleaning and listening. This testimony is so easy to counter.

#1 - the tape itself was so deteriorated that it was there from the beginning. Duct tape will last much longer than flesh and this tape was almost destroyed. Most likely the decomp fluids aided in destroying the tape.
#2 - The tape was only still adhered to the hair because the flesh was gone.
#3 - No flesh or DNA would be left after the sticky was destroyed and under water for a period of time. There was nothing sticky left to hold evidence.

This guy is so obviously a hired gun. I hope the jury can see it.

Tipstaff
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Here's a pic to immortalize this event.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/marina809/Casey/tear.jpg

ICA is crying because she knows that JB has been reprimanded and she is thinking and pondering who will represent her when JB gets fired. She can't think of anyone at the moment. Thus the tear it is for her.

Ricki
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Twitter: this witness is for sale the jurors think.

I do not think the jurors will give the DF witnesses any credibility after this yesterdays and especially this mornings events.

susan1122
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Duct tape after the decomposition? Per Dr. Spitz. So why would someone put duct tape on her face after she was decomposed? I seriously think it didn't happen that way. Small children really rarely have hair on their faces. So his example of duct tape pulling hair out of his arm doesn't apply. My son's face was hairless for years.

BigFatMommyDog
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Well,soap is made with lard and ash (lye)

see also "Fight Club"

dunlurken
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Why would you open a skull when it's empty?

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
That is strange. How can whoever tweeted that know what the jurors are thinking?

Quote Respect Wholehearted :)

Exactly.

crimejunkie
06-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Spitz is keeping the door wide open for Ashton to have his day. There is no mention of the elements. Just you wait. Comparing putting tape on his skin and the tape that was found ages after application is asking for trouble.

Yes...and the hair on his arm being stuck to the tape really doesn't apply, as Caylee didn't have a bunch of hair all over her face, like an arm would have.

Whisperer
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
Hoping we have a real intelligent jury who can see through this ploy. Tape after death, come on now. Dealing with a dead body is bad enough and now you are going to place varying lenghts of tape on it.

Why not just one piece, then? Why the overkill with several pieces? The staging story doesn't fit.

Snaz
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
Here's what I'm having trouble with.

There was ZERO DNA on the duct tape (excluding the FBi lady who inadvertantly got some of hers on it). That means there wasn't even any DNA from the person who originally tore that tape from it's roll..... why doesn't anyone ever mention that? It was disintegrated!!!

Quiche
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
Many soaps are made of rendered fat. Sorry guys...

Bon
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
WS: Duct tape was a later event...after decomp.



No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes no sense at all...................

Amster
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
Does CA have a phone with her?

passionflower
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
Why would THREE pieces of duct tape be needed to keep a little bitty mandible attached after decomp?

ONE would be more than sufficient - it couldn't have weighed more than a couple of onces.

FAIL

and if that was the case........why not duct tape entire body to keep all bones together................stupid IMO

Just K
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
Rut Roh...he says adipocere develops in warm temperatures, as opposed to yesterday's expert, who says cool and moist temperatures
and then he said it takes 10 or 12 days before you see adipocere.

Wholehearted
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
"I would rule out suicide," Dr. Spitz.

Come. on.

SATA
06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
I have to say that I have disagreed with Dr. G all along. I think it is quite possible that the duct tape was put over Caylee´s face after death. Sorry to say it, but to keep body fluids from spilling.

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
We are to believe that Casey didn't even bury her child but decided to tape her jaw shut while she was in the major stages of decomposition to hold it in place? Doesn't work.

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
Cannot determine cause of death! Just as I thought! Cutting her skull in half, didn't reveal anything. Dr. G did not miss anything!

momshrink
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
So sorry to do this to you guys but I never get to watch the trial live because of work. I am trying to watch now and cant find the link that shows Casey. Can someone help? Thanks!!!

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

pinkfly
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
backpedaling

YellowSubmarine
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
The relevency of this to the case is about as relevant as Dr. Huntingtons studies were.

Softail
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
Dr. Spitz says he put duct tape on his arm, then pulled it off and there was hair and other material. Hope we ask him if he left it there for six months, often submerged in water and preferably while the skin beneath would be decomposing. That would be a comparable experiment.

:worms: Did that open the door about the fringe hairs on one of the pieces of duct tape? :waitasec:

CementPond
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
Ok, did he just say suicide? Things are getting crazier by the minute!

SMK
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
Duct tape after the decomposition? Per Dr. Spitz. So why would someone put duct tape on her face after she was decomposed? I seriously think it didn't happen that way. Small children really rarely have hair on their faces. So his example of duct tape pulling hair out of his arm doesn't apply. My son's face was hairless for years.
He is showing the strength of the duct tape to pull material with it. Hence, he is claiming the duct tape was put on a skeleton, and not a flesh-filled face. OK, so this opens up the question of who would have gone and done it, and why? To make it fit with the kidnapping scenario? This is what they are attempting to put in the jurors' minds. That Casey had help.......as in father? I am not buying it, but will any jurors?

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
Here's a pic to immortalize this event.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/marina809/Casey/tear.jpg

This for a skull that does NOT belong to baby Caylee.

NavySubMom
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
He will say accident, State says homicide. It will be the TOTALITY of the evidence that this jury will deliberate on, not simply this Dr. saying it was an accident. IMO, MOO, etc.

Sweetbaboo
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
Twitter Twitter Twitter: ten o clock JURY DOES NOT LIKE THIS WITNESS. Juror number four is ready to find Casey guilty.

I can twitter too. :)

Wow that is good to hear! Hope it's true. Juror #4 has been my biggest concern in this trial.

TiaM
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Let's title this one: My Own Witness Just Screwed Me

Are we sure she didn't spit on her finger and place it there as she was poking her eye?

watergirl
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
see also "Fight Club"

...or read "The Jungle"

Stella5
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Must sit on my hands right now before I earn a justifiable time out and/or throw my laptop on the floor and stomp on it.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
JA...please ask the Good Doctor exactly how many accident cases he has examined that have consisted of a toddler being triple bagged and tossed away in the woods with duct tape being anywhere near the body!

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Adipocere is like soap? :waitasec:

Not going to bring it up now except to say read up on your Nazi prison camp history.

dunlurken
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
"I would rule out suicide," Dr. Spitz.

Come. on.
I can't believe what I'm hearing. :banghead:

NavySubMom
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
He will say accident, State says homicide. It will be the TOTALITY of the evidence that this jury will deliberate on, not simply this Dr. saying it was an accident. IMO, MOO, etc.

Well, I thought he would say accident, he said he did not know. HERE COMES JA!!!

passionflower
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
How much money would Dr. S get for his time, autopsy and trial?

STEADFAST
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Again Dr. Spitz making the case for how long the body was out there.

Yes, and since his opinion is that the duct tape was placed on her skull, he's basically thrown out Baez's idea that the duct tape might have been placed loosely on her face and his other idea that it's obvious that the duct tape was never near her face.

Drama Queen
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
ok...caylee committed suicide...or died of natural cause which sent ICA into a tail spin which caused her to place duct tape over the little girls face and dump her in the woods rather than call 911 and hope like hell the child could be revived.
MOO and MOO

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
I made up that twitter about the juror but that was to show how crazy it is that we have had these twitters from the media that say such things.

I have read twitters that say the jury is this and that. Well, anybody can do that. IMHO. And I did. :yes:

But that was fake. I have no idea what the jury is thinking...well, yeah I do. :innocent:

CM: said "finally" I hope is is for real.

DianaElaine
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Well, at least I've learned a new way to take hair off .. DUCT TAPE!

OUCH! that's gonna hurt under arms and legs ... but hey, it should work good!

:crazy:

karengo
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
has he really said anything of note? other than he wasnt allowed to be in the first autopsy and he opened the skull?

21merc7
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Cannot say manner of death

Okay, does not say anything Dr. G didn't

Wholehearted
06-18-2011, 11:02 AM
The DT is done with him? Oh boy. JA is going to have a field day!

strawberry
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
"I would rule out suicide," Dr. Spitz.

Come. on.

Did he really say that???? I'm on mute. Did CM just bow? Is he Canadian?

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
10 minutes recess and then cross.

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Ten minute recess....

wenwe4
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Adipocere will develop in optimal conditions within 10-12 days....no more soft tissue on this skull..
reviewed all reports....determine if any evidence as to cause of death in this case? well there are - rule out certain causes of death...cannot answer what this child really died from could have ....rule out some conditions but not all.....rule out suicide, cannot rule out accidental death.....different between cause of death and manner of death...
what opinion manner of death means natural, accident, suicide, homicide...4 classifications for manner of death....cause of death...pneumonia - or puncture wound - lots of those...

cannot tell you in this case manner of death...based on exam as it is today cannot say manner of death....practicing for approxing or supervised residence on autopsy 60,000 - prctice for 56 years...no further questions\
recess

lowens1975
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
JA's turn. Hit one home for Caylee!

Snaz
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Dr. Spitz may have been practicing forensic pathology for 56 years, but if I was a juror on this case, his opinion would appear "bought" to me.

Beyond Belief
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Cross coming up.

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Adipocere is like soap? :waitasec:


it is true, apidocere is saponification. I once read a disgusting history of soap making that opined that burnt human sacrifices led to the discovery of soap - from the ashes & fat. :sick:

LyndyLoo
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Oh Man this thread is moving so fast, I am sure this post will land totally out of context of posts now..

Anyway..W Spitz is trying to suggest duct tape was applied after decomposition..even though it had separated cloth part from netting and sticky side..and the growth of roots throughout the remains and articles..

However, his explanation of applying to a decomposing body using a slippery substance ( grave Wax) and so wouldnt stick to face...LOL..So in a backward way, he is also stating application had to have been done prior to decompl...Hummm

NavySubMom
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
JB tried to give CM a final question, which CM declined. Probably would have dug a deeper hole for ICA, which CM realized. IMO, MOO, etc.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Spitz says there are 4 manners of death- suicide/accidental/homicide/natural causes. he says he can not say what Caylee's manner of death is
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:03 AM

JustMeDeb
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Did he just say that he DIDN'T wear gloves while conducting his autopsy because it was just bone? You ALWAYS WEAR GLOVES! OMG

back. to. sitting. on. hands.

::off to grab some popcorn:: Cannot wait to see what JA has to say about this!

SnarkyWit
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
A quick image of CA in the gallery showed her laughing. Topic to sidebar Adipocere.

She appeared positively gleeful! Strange response.

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Is he saying he did over one thousand autopsies a year?

Wholehearted
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
I made up that twitter about the juror but that was to show how crazy it is that we have had these twitters from the media that say such things.

I have read twitters that say the jury is this and that. Well, anybody can do that. IMHO. And I did. :yes:

But that was fake. I have no idea what the jury is thinking...well, yeah I do. :innocent:

CM: said "finally" I hope is is for real.

Haha. Now I get it! Yeah, it could almost be real.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
KC back to normal

Just K
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Prosecution is giddy and ready to go.

Ssejors
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes no sense at all...................

So she was decomposing SOMEWHERE else and then gagged and bagged and transported ?

Backyard?
playhouse? no..



Dr. W.S. Says NO he is not able to tell us what the manner of death is.

CM - finally how many autopsies have you conducted o5 supervised?

60,000. Roughly 60,000 autopsies!!!!!!

practicing the manner of death for 56 years.

10 minute recess.

Ricki
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Well I was suppose to do errands but now that we will have cross exam, they will have to wait.

adb263
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Well if JB was doing direct that would have taken us till Monday! CM is much better at direct!!

kaRN
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
First question on cross- Was DNA discovered when you had your formative training?

Mare10
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
CM is done. Oh good. Now let's bring this home SA team. IMO, SA has a lot to work with here.

uklaw
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Hrm....

For all those wanting ICA to be found guilty this is not actually to bad.

He didn't seem to deliver much of a killer blow to the Prosecution's case.

QueenD
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
I will watch cross, but I could not watch CM with this witness. I have a hard time understanding both of them.

Thanks all for the posting.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
CM wanted to END with that number and Dr. Spitz thwarted him with continued run on speech. HAHA

Tiki
06-18-2011, 11:03 AM
well, I have to say that was shorter than it would have been with Baez questioning.
can't wait to hear JA

magnolia
06-18-2011, 11:04 AM
Got to pipe in here without reading prior posts as I'm cleaning and listening. This testimony is so easy to counter.

#1 - the tape itself was so deteriorated that it was there from the beginning. Duct tape will last much longer than flesh and this tape was almost destroyed. Most likely the decomp fluids aided in destroying the tape.
#2 - The tape was only still adhered to the hair because the flesh was gone.
#3 - No flesh or DNA would be left after the sticky was destroyed and under water for a period of time. There was nothing sticky left to hold evidence.

This guy is so obviously a hired gun. I hope the jury can see it.

Yep, so easy I think one of us could do the cross,IMO.

Anadarko
06-18-2011, 11:04 AM
Ashton on deck! This ought to be good!

my2sense
06-18-2011, 11:04 AM
the pros team is smiling

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 11:04 AM
We are to believe that Casey didn't even bury her child but decided to tape her jaw shut while she was in the major stages of decomposition to hold it in place? Doesn't work.

No it wouldn't. Unless she looked that one up on google as well, I can't be made to believe that she would know that the mandible would fall off during decomposition to prompt her to put duct tape there. Doesn't work!

Chiquita71
06-18-2011, 11:04 AM
CM wanted to leave on this big BANG about how this witness has done whatever over 60 thousand times: lie...

but this <modsnip>witness ruined it by going on and on and on about HIMSELF. I think Casey is crying because everyone keeps talking about themselves. There are people just as self centered and evil in the room and they are getting all the attention.

:cow:

TiaM
06-18-2011, 11:04 AM
He is showing the strength of the duct tape to pull material with it. Hence, he is claiming the duct tape was put on a skeleton, and not a flesh-filled face. OK, so this opens up the question of who would have gone and done it, and why? To make it fit with the kidnapping scenario? This is what they are attempting to put in the jurors' minds. That Casey had help.......as in father? I am not buying it, but will any jurors?

And if "someone" had put it on the skelton to hold the mandible in place, why would it be LOOSE?

Tipstaff
06-18-2011, 11:04 AM
Yes...and the hair on his arm being stuck to the tape really doesn't apply, as Caylee didn't have a bunch of hair all over her face, like an arm would have.

Nor would a 2 1/2 year old child have anywhere near the hair of an adult male..let alone this witnesses arm hair.

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Not going to bring it up now except to say read up on your Nazi prison camp history.

I've been sitting on my fingers on this subject too.

pinkfly
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Here's what I'm having trouble with.

There was ZERO DNA on the duct tape (excluding the FBi lady who inadvertantly got some of hers on it). That means there wasn't even any DNA from the person who originally tore that tape from it's roll..... why doesn't anyone ever mention that? It was disintegrated!!!

One of the talking heads on tv said that during closing expect to see them hold up the actual duct tape which looks like a single layer of cheesecloth to explain that there was no adhesive, no DNA, no coating and that this is the product of being in the flood conditions for so long. Hope it happens that way.

poco
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Spitz says there are 4 manners of death- suicide/accidental/homicide/natural causes. he says he can not say what Caylee's manner of death is
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:03 AM


I'm undecided as to suicide or natural causes.....

kaRN
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Did he really say that???? I'm on mute. Did CM just bow? Is he canadian?

BBM lol! Why? We don't bow.

JSR
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
CA is there..GA left. Just like in Steel Magnolias.

Yup. Although women are more emotional. Women can handle much more in terms of emotional difficult things. I loved the title of that movie, it's my favorite movie in fact.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Math: 60K autopsies would be 3 a day for 56 years - 365 days per year, 7 days a week.

Lanie
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Yes...and the hair on his arm being stuck to the tape really doesn't apply, as Caylee didn't have a bunch of hair all over her face, like an arm would have.

Plus his arm is living tissue. That would be a valid experiment if after applying the duct tape, he cut off his arm and threw it in the swamp for 6 months.

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Adipocere is like soap. Like wet soap.

I just can't imagine duct tape sticking to wet soap????

Drama Queen
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Well, at least I've learned a new way to take hair off .. DUCT TAPE!

OUCH! that's gonna hurt under arms and legs ... but hey, it should work good!

:crazy:
New bikini wax technique.
OUCH!!!!!

MaryAnn
06-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Hrm....

For all those wanting ICA to be found guilty this is not actually to bad.

He didn't seem to deliver much of a killer blow to the Prosecution's case.


I think his explanation for the Duck Tape being applied is ridiculous! Like ICA was worried her jaw would fall off? ICA's motto was "outta site, outta mind" and that's what she did

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Dr. Spitz may have been practicing forensic pathology for 56 years, but if I was a juror on this case, his opinion would appear "bought" to me.

I am curious. I wonder if he has ever had to look at the circumstances surrounding a death and make a ruling other than "I don't know" just from the circumstances. Sure he has, and I'm certain that JA will bring it up.

YellowSubmarine
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Oh Good Lord . . . JC on HLN saying it's a big deal that her skull decomposed when she was on her left side, but her skull was found upright.

We aren't idiots. All that means is that she was on her left side in the trunk and/or that when she was thrown out like trash, she landed on her left. But after the animals and flooding got to her, she ended up face up.

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
What does duct tape on his arm being pulled off right away and having hair and dna, have to do with decomposed duct tape in the woods and water 6 months on a decomposed body?!

Wow, that little "experiment" sounds pretty scientific, and all. I'm convinced!

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/stock/smiley-sign0105.gif

fifteen89
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Are we sure she didn't spit on her finger and place it there as she was poking her eye?

It's hard to tell what she's doing. When she uses the kleenex to apparently wipe away 'tears', it looks more like she's using the same motion you would when applying moisturizer.

Elley Mae
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Would be great to see Dr. G show up in the gallery.

TiaM
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Is he saying he did over one thousand autopsies a year?

I want to see the records.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Cannot say manner of death

Okay, does not say anything Dr. G didn't

But Dr. G did rule on manner of death - homicide. They concur on cause of death - unknown.

strawberry
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
JB tried to give CM a final question, which CM declined. Probably would have dug a deeper hole for ICA, which CM realized. IMO, MOO, etc.

Probably something that wasn't in his report. :wink:

npcougar
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Last witness of the day. This one was the only one JB listed when HHJP asked what other witnesses they had today. That was in response to when HHJP said the other witness had to step down.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
I have to say that I have disagreed with Dr. G all along. I think it is quite possible that the duct tape was put over Caylee´s face after death. Sorry to say it, but to keep body fluids from spilling.

Even in death, a body decomposes. It continues to decompose as long as there is any soft tissue to decompose. So even if she put the duct tape over the mouth and nose to contain fluids, it would STILL have been placed there while the body was decomposing.

Dr. S is bascially saying the duct tape was put on Caylee's skeletal skull, or it was never attached to the skull at all.

I think that's nonsense, personally.

sparkysmom
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Good grief, that doctor needs to answer the questions and quit pontificating. He drones on and on.....

Harmony2
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Sooooo Kronk knew exactly the rare type of duct tape that the Anthonys had in their home and placed it on the skull?.... or he just coincidentally happened to own the same type of rare duct tape?GMAB

little_miss_smart
06-18-2011, 11:06 AM
Suicide :maddening: does he undestand that Caylee was a baby?

strawberry
06-18-2011, 11:07 AM
HLN showing smackdown

passionflower
06-18-2011, 11:07 AM
Quote of the day......... rule out suicide

Tiki
06-18-2011, 11:07 AM
Yup. Although women are more emotional. Women can handle much more in terms of emotional difficult things. I loved the title of that movie, it's my favorite movie in fact.

Mine, too. In addition, it contains a number of hilarious one-liners.

momtective
06-18-2011, 11:07 AM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/24.jpg

Marple
06-18-2011, 11:07 AM
Every time someone types WS for Dr Spitz, I think they are saying WebSleuths... argghhh! I need more coffee.

Sweetbaboo
06-18-2011, 11:07 AM
Perfect time for a 10 minute recess. Gives JA a little extra time to perfect his shredding of this witness. Moo

D96s
06-18-2011, 11:08 AM
Duct tape, garbage bags (2), laundry bag, tossed in a garbage dump does not equal accident.

Its been testified to that NO STICKY STUFF or residue remained on that duct tape. If there was DNA (and I guessing there was), it long ago washed away and degarded away in all that water and all those elements.

Sorry - Dr. Spitz did not impress me.

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by DianaElaine

Well, at least I've learned a new way to take hair off .. DUCT TAPE!



It doesn't work, I've tried it.