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beach
06-11-2011, 10:59 PM
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beach
06-18-2011, 07:43 AM
I haven't been able to be here on the Trial or Sidebar threads the past 2 days. Nobody told me there was going to be a party!

Did the invitation specify it as BASHFEST, June 2011?

I had 92 alerts in my email inbox. NINETY-TWO.

The party is officially over now. Lights out. All the trash has been taken out to the dump. You'll notice a few of those who were partying particularly hard will not be around for a couple of days.

It is obvious we have allowed a LOT of leeway in these threads - extraneous posts, chit chat, etc... and moderated with a very light hand. There were at least 4 mod requests and reminders posted by different mods in yesterday's threads. Completely ignored. Consider the emergency brake thrown.

This is the deal: Any ridiculous, insulting, childish, petty bashing and/or name calling posted today will result in a 3 day Time Out. So, if you choose to post it today, you will not be participating on Monday and Tuesday.

I'll go ahead and anticipate the "Can you clarify what is considered bashing?" Here is a good rule of measure: Before posting it ask yourself, "Is this something I heard or would have said myself while in Jr. High School?" If you even think the answer could be "yes", you can be sure it does not belong on any thread in this forum.

beach
06-18-2011, 08:35 AM
Opening up. Please make sure you read the 2nd post of this thread.

mombomb
06-18-2011, 08:37 AM
Guess they are running a little late. I see people moving around, but ICA has not made her morning debut.

ohiogirl
06-18-2011, 08:38 AM
Good morning everyone.

atthelake
06-18-2011, 08:38 AM
I"m not getting any feed? Links to active ones as I don't see wftv or cnn up yet? TIA

TotallyObsessed
06-18-2011, 08:39 AM
Good morning, all. Go Team Caylee.

ohiogirl
06-18-2011, 08:39 AM
Maybe His Honor wanted an in chambers meeting this morning

barrysgirl
06-18-2011, 08:40 AM
no feeds up yet?

btw...morning sleuthers! I actually came in to work today, lol.

mombomb
06-18-2011, 08:40 AM
I"m not getting any feed? Links to active ones as I don't see wftv or cnn up yet? TIA

www.wftv.com

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:41 AM
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case

mombomb
06-18-2011, 08:41 AM
Just saw LDB and FG in the courtroom

tragco
06-18-2011, 08:41 AM
another feed that is up:

http://www.wdbo.com/caseyontrialvideo/

Oh, I just saw LDB.

mitzi
06-18-2011, 08:42 AM
Good Morning Everyone!

Let me be the first to tell you...3 hours is not enough sleep! :)

Quiche
06-18-2011, 08:42 AM
Maybe His Honor wanted an in chambers meeting this morning

Mayhap it be of unscrupulous podium texting??? :fence:

cleo612
06-18-2011, 08:42 AM
Feed is up on WESH, 'Beach.

imawitch
06-18-2011, 08:43 AM
Good Morning everyone

Ready for another day, will take my seat, and be on my best behavior.

GetSmart
06-18-2011, 08:43 AM
WFTV she just walked in

jane the dood
06-18-2011, 08:43 AM
Good morning, All and Sundry! A sunny and very hot day already here in Florida...off to the Farmer's Market but will be back later for my daily shot of sanity here at WS...y'all are just the best posters anywhere!
:seeya:

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:44 AM
KC and CM talking, CM yawning

Now both laughing

tragco
06-18-2011, 08:44 AM
ICA is there now, chatting with CM.

suzihawk
06-18-2011, 08:44 AM
JB pacing and looking nervous. :)

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 08:44 AM
Casey's grand entrance, assisted by CM pulling her chair out for her.

So . . . It begins to begin.

mombomb
06-18-2011, 08:44 AM
JB wandering around - all smiles. ICA chipper and chatting with CM

jmfstl
06-18-2011, 08:45 AM
OSCaseyAnthony Casey Anthony News
The judge wanted everyone in court at 8:30 a.m. this morning, but nothing has started yet #CaseyAnthony

mombomb
06-18-2011, 08:45 AM
Here we go!

mombomb
06-18-2011, 08:45 AM
Matter was resolved that the 8:30 hearing was for.

Dr. Bill Rodriguez is first witness

Here comes the Jury

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 08:45 AM
The only live one for me is the Casey Cam on Myfoxorlando. The main feed doesn't seem to be on yet, neither the one on wftv or wesh. It must be me....

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:46 AM
EF whispering to KC

tragco
06-18-2011, 08:46 AM
Ah the attorneys have resolved the matter and it revolved around Dr. Spence somehow. (JA said he spoke with Dr. Spence and there wouldn't be a problem). Jury is coming in early today.

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 08:46 AM
LDB looks wonderful in pink.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:47 AM
HHJP looking refreshed

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 08:47 AM
Issue resolved, no need for the sidebar. We're jumping right into testimony at 8:30 am.

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 08:47 AM
dr william rodriguez up for defense

Pita
06-18-2011, 08:47 AM
For the life of me, I can't understand how CA can smile, about anything.

It makes me believe she thinks she is going to walk, someone on her DT needs to get real with her, she will not be walking out on the arm of CM.

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 08:48 AM
JB's first witness today is Dr. William Rodriguez. sp?

Casey's very animated today, chatting it up with two of her attorneys; smiling; laughing.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:48 AM
Of to a bad start already, here as unpaid consultant, being shot down

bonjoviblonde
06-18-2011, 08:49 AM
More sneaky JB tricks right off the bat.

butwhatif?
06-18-2011, 08:49 AM
........

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 08:49 AM
he is a forensic anthropologist.

I'm afraid I feel he doesnt have the presence of dr vass.

Florida Native
06-18-2011, 08:49 AM
Wow not liking this guy already and it isn't because he is for the defense. He immediately rubbed me the wrong way.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:49 AM
KC looking uncertain?

momtective
06-18-2011, 08:49 AM
http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/6.jpg

http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/The_Missing/5.jpg

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 08:50 AM
Casey now has somber look. The usual for in front of the jury.

Dr. Rodriguez says he is an unpaid consultant. Admonished by judge.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 08:50 AM
This guy seems detemined not be be slaughtered the way Huntington was yesterday. We'll see. Interesting witness anyway.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 08:50 AM
He's a body farm guy? Uh oh.

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 08:50 AM
Wow not liking this guy already and it isn't because he is for the defense. He immediately rubbed me the wrong way.


something rubbed 17yo son & I wrong also....son says "*sniffs* he LOOKS like a the III"

Amster
06-18-2011, 08:50 AM
Body Farm....

debloree
06-18-2011, 08:51 AM
Ist witness this morning. Dr Rodriguez (sp?)

tragco
06-18-2011, 08:51 AM
Witness worked at the body farm in the early 1980's.

Snaz
06-18-2011, 08:51 AM
Could the guy speak any more monotone?? If he keeps that up, I believe he will lose the jury.

barrysgirl
06-18-2011, 08:51 AM
Dr. Bass that runs the body farm completely 100% backs Dr. Vass. he has been on our local news about it.

Why would this guy go against them like this? I'd love to hear Dr. Bass's reason.

suzihawk
06-18-2011, 08:51 AM
WESH doesn't have the pic in pic today.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 08:51 AM
Sneaky sneaky....Rodriquez offers he is unpaid before even stating what his employment is! Objection sustained so Baez asks again.

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 08:51 AM
BA, MA, Doctorate from Univ. of Tennessee. Giving employment history.
Cofounder of Forensic Anthropology facility at UofT.

Stella5
06-18-2011, 08:51 AM
Worked with Dr. Vass at Body Farm... interesting!

jenniek
06-18-2011, 08:52 AM
He's a body farm guy? Uh oh.

another one with an ax to grind??

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 08:52 AM
He's a body farm guy? Uh oh.

Even more ~ One of the "founders." (As presented.)

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 08:52 AM
He was recruited by Dr. Vass for his research into decomp.

jenniek
06-18-2011, 08:52 AM
WESH doesn't have the pic in pic today.

wftv does!

tragco
06-18-2011, 08:52 AM
He helped set up the body farm and wrote some of the first papers on the first results.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:52 AM
DS getting up, or is it EF

Pita
06-18-2011, 08:53 AM
Jose needs to give it up, there is no way ever anyone will convince there jurors there was not a body in Caseys car.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 08:53 AM
Dr. Bass that runs the body farm completely 100% backs Dr. Vass. he has been on our local news about it.

Why would this guy go against them like this? I'd love to hear Dr. Bass's reason.

Perhaps he just has a different opinion than Dr. Vass.

I'm willing to listen to him.

mitzi
06-18-2011, 08:53 AM
Was he already on the DT witness list? I didn't think they had a forensic anthropologist. ?????

Quiche
06-18-2011, 08:53 AM
Thirty years ago? Really? And, is he unpaid because another "check" is in the mail?

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 08:53 AM
sooo, right off the bat this is going to be time against death issue. He has already said that. Is probably going to disagree with Dr. Vass.

suzihawk
06-18-2011, 08:53 AM
WESH doesn't have the pic in pic today.

Now it does. And they fixed the sound, too.

MaraSleuth
06-18-2011, 08:53 AM
"Taphonomy" expert...

katydid23
06-18-2011, 08:54 AM
Is he going to try and impeach Dr. Vass??????????????

Anabelle
06-18-2011, 08:54 AM
Why did he need to get that statement in immediately. That makes me wary of him. hope he's up front.

mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 08:54 AM
He's a body farm guy? Uh oh.

Yeah, sounds like he works at that Junk Science Place..:crazy:

debloree
06-18-2011, 08:54 AM
At least Dr Rodriguez knows he's an UNPAID witness.
Others are waiting on the "check in the mail" :floorlaugh:

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 08:54 AM
I keep clearing my throat for him.

tragco
06-18-2011, 08:55 AM
He was recruited by Dr. Vass for his research into decomp.

Believe he said he was recruited by Dr. Bass (real similar names). Dr. Bass was the one who set the body farm up.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 08:55 AM
I will admit I have a hard time maintaining any objectivity so can't we just skip ahead to the cross already? ;)

Oy vey. History lesson on forensic entomology.

summerthyme
06-18-2011, 08:55 AM
Think JB will keep him on stand so no one has time to cross him today?

Bon
06-18-2011, 08:55 AM
Morning everyone, I'm late again :(

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 08:56 AM
I think he's here to try to discredit Dr. Haskell, not Dr. Vass. :eek:

Shutting up now so I can listen.

ynotdivein
06-18-2011, 08:56 AM
Jury keeps glancing at back door as more spectators are allowed in. (we started early) #CaseyAnthony
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 8:54 AM

Florida Native
06-18-2011, 08:56 AM
Why did he need to get that statement in immediately. That makes me wary of him. hope he's up front.

Yes it makes him sound like he has a chip on his shoulder and he is going to set every one straight right up front.

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 08:56 AM
A 3-way expert!

bonjoviblonde
06-18-2011, 08:56 AM
I tell ya, JB reallllly has an ax to grind with Dr. Vass. JB hates the guy. He even has this guy say right up front that he's unpaid. We all know he's obsessed with Dr. Vass getting paid by the State and making money off his "machine".

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 08:57 AM
It seems like we have another expert with attitude, we shall see.

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 08:57 AM
Rodriquez has not been qualified as an "Expert" in entomology before.

JA is objecting to him as a "Expert'

4realtho
06-18-2011, 08:57 AM
Good morning all. I can't believe I over slept but I'm here now.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:57 AM
JA objecting to him being qualified as expert entomology, sidebar called by HHJP

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 08:57 AM
NOT been qualified as an expert in forensic entymology!

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 08:57 AM
A 3-way expert!

Nope. He is not a qualified expert on entomology.

ETA: So the DT DID bring this gent in to discredit Dr. Haskell. Interesting.

wenwe4
06-18-2011, 08:57 AM
Sat. 6/18/11

JB w/Dr. William Rodriguez III, here as an unpaid consultant.....give occupation...forensic anthropologist...dept. of Defense ME office in Wash. DC, US Armed Forces ME office for 23 yrs, forensic anthro. for Onandaga Syracuse NY before that....Doctorate 1985 professional Caddo Parrish Coroner office served 2/3 State of Louisiana....co=founder of the Body Farm....started that with Wm. Bass (Vass) from U of Tenn....talking about time since death in early 80's discussing how to get better understand of human decomp....Dr. Bass said only way was to research experiments - recruited first decomp facility....put up first fences, laid concrete, brought bodies in....he was Sr. author on first publications.....extensive experience in 3 yrs in Caddo Parrish - subtropical climate...decomp evident due to heat/humid/insects....upstate NY similar types of bodies...during 23 yrs. w/Govt....traveled whole world seen various bodies in various stages of decay......Taphonomy - study of breakdown of organism after death and recycled by nature....how many publications....2 from body farm, one chapter in Med/Legal invest. by Spitz & Fisher, numerous papers to Nat. Acadm of Forensic Science.....forensic entomology began roots in Europe....time of decomp research @decay facility @ U of Tenn that the forensic entomology movement got started....Dr. Lee Golf (?) from Hawaii very interested in this reserach...look @ insect activity...helped them found the board of American Entomology....insects and decomp.....lectured on entomology, taphonomy, and forensic anthropology.....lectured 100 or more times.....Dr. Rodriguiz admitted as expert? how many times qualified in entomology? not .....JA objects to this...agrees to taphonomy and forensic anthro but not the entomology.....JB argues that entomology began from.....Sidebar!

RammerJammer
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
Good morning...catching up here.

2goldfish
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
"the research that BEGAN entymology came from his..."


that's disingenuity at its finest. :| entymology's been around as long as there have been people to wonder.

suzihawk
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
Ohh... carp! I have very limited time this morning and we already have our first sidebar. Grrr....

Quiche
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
Taphonomy http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/taphonomy

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
And we are what 3 minutes into questioning and we have our first sidebar.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
KC was just totally spacing out, EF started talking with her, she snapped out of it

Ricki
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
JB is scared of Dr Vass's testimony. He is trying real hard to discredit him.. JA is not happy with this witness credentials concerning entomology.

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
Acted as expert witness in approximately 100 cases. Not qualified in field of entomology, however. JA objected to Rodriguez being an expert witness in entomology therefore. SIDEBAR.

bonjoviblonde
06-18-2011, 08:58 AM
This guy must have been contacted last night in the hopes he can do what Dr. Huntington was unable to do yesterday.

I can already tell the whispering with ICA and LF is going to get on my last nerve today. Constant back and forth.

Steely Dan
06-18-2011, 08:59 AM
Does Guiness keep a record for the most sidebars per day in a trial?

alwaysonmymind
06-18-2011, 08:59 AM
"the research that BEGAN entymology came from his..."


that's disingenuity at its finest. :| entymology's been around as long as there have been people to wonder.

...... and bugs to wonder about.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

mitzi
06-18-2011, 08:59 AM
I think we should introduce this man to Cindy...between his uhhhhhhs and Cindy's ummmmmmms, it would be an interesting conversation. :)

mombomb
06-18-2011, 08:59 AM
8:42

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DR. BILL RODRIGUEZ BY JB:

He is here as an unpaid consultant.

OBJECTION - SUSTAINED

He is a forensic anthropologist at the Department of Defense, Armed Forces, Medical examiner's office for 23 years. Here as an unpaid consultant.

BA and MA and PhD from University of Tennessee in 1985.

Co-founder of Body Farm. Dr. Vass was his chief mentor professor at UT. Dr. Vass recruited him into the project to actually build the facility and start the research. He was the senior author on the first publications.

He's had extensive experience with human decomp in his experience with the M.E.'s offices he has worked at and his Armed Services.

Taphonomy is the study of the breakdown of the organism after death and he has extensive research in that are. 2 publications on this from the Body Farm and a chapter in Smitz and Fischer book, also numerous papers on a yearly basis.

Body Farm was the starting of forensic entomology in U.S.

Helped found the American Board of Forensic Entomology.

Has been a witness in Court around 100 times.

Witness tendered as expert in taphonomy, entomology and forensic anthropology.

VOIR DIRE BY JA

He has not been qualified as an expert in the specific field of entomology.

JA has no objection to taphonomy and forensic anthropology - not entomology.

JB - he has helped establish the American Board of Entomology.

Sidebar #1 8:56

LEFT-COASTER
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
jezzz.. not sure im ready for this today..lol.. I already dont like this guy.... from the time he started with Im not being paid.. lol..

illek46
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
This guy must have been contacted last night in the hopes he can do what Dr. Huntington was unable to do yesterday.

I can already tell the whispering with Casey and Elizabeth is going to get on my last nerve today. Constant back and forth.

I believe her correct name is Lisabeth Fryer

ynotdivein
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
I think I just saw CM schooling JB actually DURING the sidebar. Hand on shoulder, whispering in his ear, JB nods, talks again, waves hands.

MaraSleuth
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
Believe he said he was recruited by Dr. Bass (real similar names). Dr. Bass was the one who set the body farm up.

Dr. Bill Bass set up the body farm - he said Dr. Bass not Dr. Vass.

cloud9
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
Good morning all! I'm late, again!

Sidebar ALREADY???

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
Was so over the moon with JA yesterday I didn't notice we were starting at 8:30 (5:30) and just now catching up. So this guy is a colleague of Dr. Vass or Dr. Haskell or both? I guess if JA is objecting to him being qualified as an expert in entomology it is Dr. Haskell JB is going after.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
JB is scared of Dr Vass's testimony. He is trying real hard to discredit him.. JA is not happy with this witness credentials concerning entomology.

I think this guy is going after Haskell, not Vass. Just a guess.

BigFatMommyDog
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
I hope this is ok to say, but this fellow reminds me of the actor Rip Torn

barrysgirl
06-18-2011, 09:00 AM
Perhaps he just has a different opinion than Dr. Vass.

I'm willing to listen to him.


Maybe it was the way he started. It just really rubbed me the wrong way. to start out saying "I'm an unpaid consultant" just said to me that he was going to go against what Dr. Vass/Dr. Bass said. What I want to know is why he left the body farm. something is just not right about this guy, IMO.

what do I base my opinion on? not a gosh darn thing, lol

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:01 AM
Baez has to lay foundation for him to be bug expert.

mitzi
06-18-2011, 09:01 AM
Another comment...JMO, but what was with all the names this guy gave?....I thought he would never stop. Was that really necessary?

Elley Mae
06-18-2011, 09:02 AM
I hope this is ok to say, but this fellow reminds me of the actor Rip Torn

Loved him in Rolling Kansas the movie

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 09:02 AM
HHJP rules Rodriguez as a Expert in the areas claimed by the DT.

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:02 AM
Pshwew I overslept. I never heard of this guy. Don't remember seeing his depo or anything.

Amster
06-18-2011, 09:02 AM
And.....the day begins with HHJP giving in, once again, to JB. ICA is giddy.

Tiki
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
i don't think this guy is going to have fun under JA's cross exam. :)

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mydailyopinions
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
Another words, this guy has an opinion based on paperwork and photos, obviously did not inspect any evidence first hand.

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
the body farm stuff was years ago tho, has he testified as an entimologist (sp) I hope he is not allowed to testify as such.

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
Wow... Is there a limit on expert witnesses you can have on the same subject? I find this all so redundant :banghead:

barrysgirl
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
Pshwew I overslept. I never heard of this guy. Don't remember seeing his depo or anything.
I haven't seen or read his depo either.

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
I see hln is now broadcasting the trial, too.

Ricki
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
Is he going to base his findings on pictures??

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
Another comment...JMO, but what was with all the names this guy gave?....I thought he would never stop. Was that really necessary?

It's quite usual in the Hispanic culture to have lots of names. Three first names, last name, mother's last name... very frequent.

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
Did I hear right - Rodriguez only examined photographs? This is what Huntington did as well and cross examination didn't turn out too good for him.... IMO

Tiki
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
bugs again?

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 09:03 AM
What info were you given in this case?

I received docs and recs pertaining to ME's report and examination of the deceased, anthropological report, entomological report by Haskell, photos of recoveries at scene and photos of remains of the deceased at the ME's office.

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:04 AM
Maybe it was the way he started. It just really rubbed me the wrong way. to start out saying "I'm an unpaid consultant" just said to me that he was going to go against what Dr. Vass/Dr. Bass said. What I want to know is why he left the body farm. something is just not right about this guy, IMO.

what do I base my opinion on? not a gosh darn thing, lol

That also rubbed me the wrong way. But all I'm really interested in is his testimony, so...I'm giving him a fair shake to start off. :)

IfIMay
06-18-2011, 09:04 AM
Unpaid = pro bono? Or does it just mean his check is in the mail, too?

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 09:04 AM
I hope I misheard, but it sounded like he said "sub-adult?"

PalmettoGirl
06-18-2011, 09:04 AM
This guy is losing me with all of the uhhhs.

barrysgirl
06-18-2011, 09:05 AM
That also rubbed me the wrong way. But all I'm really interested in is his testimony, so...I'm giving him a fair shake to start off. :)

see...that's why YOU are the mock juror and not me. I've allready convicted her:floorlaugh:

snowshuze
06-18-2011, 09:05 AM
I'm just wondering why he isn't still associated with the Body Farm.

summerthyme
06-18-2011, 09:05 AM
So we get more filet mignon served up by JA, I can handle that. :D

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
I think JB has a good witness here. What do you wanna bet his squanders the opportunity?

tragco
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
Witness seems to know what he is talking about. Presenting much better so far than yesterday's witness.

deelytful1
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
Unpaid = pro bono? Or does it just mean his check is in the mail, too?

:floorlaugh:

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
Oh boy, we will be toothless if we are skeletons.

Front teeth fall out if skull moved, interesting.

suzihawk
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
I'm just wondering why he isn't still associated with the Body Farm.

I'm sure the State will ask that question.

barrysgirl
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
Unpaid = pro bono? Or does it just mean his check is in the mail, too?

I was thinking about this yesterday. Could defense attornies work out a deal with consultants agreeing to pay them after the trial so they can say they are unpaid. And what does unpaid mean anyway? We allready know other consultants are unpaid, does that just mean he hasn't gotten his check yet either?

Just K
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
Talking about her teeth falling out! OMG, that wouldn't have occurred in two-three days.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
JA wants sidebar, JB objects, HHJP says approach

little_miss_smart
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
OMG the stare Casey gave JA there!

jmfstl
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
JA wants to approach

JB judge I'm going to object

HHJP approach

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:06 AM
I gotta admit I am just so biased that I don't like any defense witnesses.

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Collection of remains thorough but did not determine exact location where body was initially placed. Huh?

Florida Native
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
And.....the day begins with HHJP giving in, once again, to JB. ICA is giddy.

I try to look at it a HHJP's determination to see justice for Caylee. Leave nothing for them to get an appeal. Keep the faith! Remember JA's cross yesterday. I am sure he is already salivating after this guy.

mombomb
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
Sidebar over (8:56-9:00)

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DR BILL RODRIGUEZ BY JB - continued

Early in decomp research at Body Farm, his primary area of study was looking at and documenting the insects that inhabit the body. Throughout his career he has done extensive work in this area.

He has consulted with LE hundreds of times.

JB tenders witness as expert.

JA does not want him to testify in the broader area.

HHJBP - witness is accepted.

He was given the documents and records pertaining to the ME report and findings and examinations of the deceased, the forensic anthropology report, the entomological report of Dr. Haskel, and photos of the recovery and the scene and the remains at the ME's office.

He also examined photos of the ME taken of the skull.

Evidence collection of remains appeared to be thorough. Difficult in a wooded environment. He did notice that he did not see trying to determine the exact location of where the body may have initially been placed - something he normally does on a regular basis due to being outdoors. This is important because that area is where, as the body decomposes, they will find various types of trace evidence, teeth, fibers. Gives better idea of where the body may have been initially placed.

In looking for those areas, if you have a skeleton is disbursed....

OBJECTION BY JA - wants to VOIR DIRE

SIDEBAR #2 (9:06)

TexasDoll
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
Dr. Rodriguez is making me nervous since he seems very intelligent and articulate which equates to credible witness, IMHO. I wonder where JB is going with this.

Sidebar #2

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
On this latest side bar, the camera showed JB and JA walking to the bench and HHJP was leaning back in his chair looking thoroughly exasperated.

debloree
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
HHJP rolled his eyes already as another sidebar is called.

CarolAnn
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
lol, Baez objects to Sidebar

reasonable
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
Did this expert witness do a report?

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
He tries to determine location of where that body was initially placed. Carnivores may spread body parts, and much evidence related to decomp is dispersed; Dr. R gives examples. Fibers, clothing, even bullet fragments if a shooting.

QueenD
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
HLN saying Dr. Spitz in hall way

Stella5
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
His honor was so not happy about JA's request to approach :( Leaned his head back into his chair, looked up at the ceiling and remained in the chair until the attorneys' got to the sidebar.

Amster
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
She decomposed in the truck, partially, and the rest happened in the swamp. Why is this so difficult to understand??

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
#CaseyAnthony Ashton objecting and wants to voir dire. Not surprised.
by bobkealing via twitter at 7:07 AM

hand
06-18-2011, 09:07 AM
I hope I misheard, but it sounded like he said "sub-adult?"

You heard it correctly

Cabin girl
06-18-2011, 09:08 AM
good morning everyone - my first day actually able to watch and post.

MaryAnn
06-18-2011, 09:08 AM
I hope I misheard, but it sounded like he said "sub-adult?"


He did. Never heard that term before. Caylee was a toddler, not a "sub adult". Geez

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:08 AM
I gotta admit I am just so biased that I don't like any defense witnesses.

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Collection of remains thorough but did not determine exact location where body was initially placed. Huh?

LMAO...at least you're honest. :)

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 09:08 AM
The decomp fluids kill the vegetative growth..... 2nd time we've heard that now.

mitzi
06-18-2011, 09:09 AM
I tell ya, JB reallllly has an ax to grind with Dr. Vass. JB hates the guy. He even has this guy say right up front that he's unpaid. We all know he's obsessed with Dr. Vass getting paid by the State and making money off his "machine".

JB was 'owned' by Dr. Vass when he testified...Jose is like a little boy...gotta get even.

barrysgirl
06-18-2011, 09:09 AM
Is it just me? You can't look at the bugs because she was under water for 6 darn months! by the time the water receeded, she was a skeleton.

ugh.

Jen38
06-18-2011, 09:09 AM
Oh boy, we will be toothless if we are skeletons.

Front teeth fall out if skull moved, interesting.

Weren't most of the teeth found still part of the skull/mandible?

Quiche
06-18-2011, 09:09 AM
(the stain was in the trunk, sir)

tragco
06-18-2011, 09:09 AM
Sounds to me like he is going to go with testimony about bodies on the surface, not bodies underwater.

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:09 AM
The decomp fluids kill the vegetative growth..... 2nd time we've heard that now.

Yes, hope JA notices as decomp was triple bagged, then washed around in storms.

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 09:10 AM
I hope the jurors give more weight to the testimony of those that actually examined the remains/evidence than to those that saw pictures of it.

Amster
06-18-2011, 09:10 AM
Has anyone told this "expert" that the area was underwater for a time?

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:10 AM
One more quick comment before I shut up and listen: JA needs to be very careful with this witness. He's NOT a cocky know it all like the witness yesterday. If he's harsh or rude with this guy, it will turn the jury off, imo.

(Shutting up now.)

4realtho
06-18-2011, 09:10 AM
Why would this expert state up front that he is not getting paid? That rubs me the wrong way. I'm sure JB and the DT explained to him about the publicity he would receive from testifying in this case so in my opinion that's how he is getting rewarded.

Cabin girl
06-18-2011, 09:10 AM
The decomp fluids kill the vegetative growth..... 2nd time we've heard that now.

but the decomp fluids were in the trunk so they would not have affected vegetation... right?

ynotdivein
06-18-2011, 09:10 AM
Did Dr. R just open the door for Caylee's hands being bound? Oh JA please bring in Q104!

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 09:10 AM
What would you look for to determine where
Oil stains from decomp fluids leak out and kill some vegetative growth. Also see evidence of insects, and we look for environmental changes that indicate decomp has occurred.
Did you find soil changes?
No, I didn't see any.

Do you have experience with finding bodies with duct tape?
Yes, I've seen numerous cases of bodies bound in various ways, and in cases with duct tape it has been employed to bind the hands or the head and facial area.

imawitch
06-18-2011, 09:10 AM
Oh boy, we will be toothless if we are skeletons.

Front teeth fall out if skull moved, interesting.

well heck, I wear partials, so I wonder what will happen to my top dentures? ewwwwww,..

eta, thanks everyone for keeping me in the loop

bonjoviblonde
06-18-2011, 09:11 AM
This guy is testifying from photos. I really want to know when he was hired. I'm guessing last night.

Drama Queen
06-18-2011, 09:11 AM
You heard it correctly

This is what I am...sub-adult. I strive to become a real-adult everyday but my youthful playfullness keeps getting in the way even at 50 years old. Will I ever graduate? God, I hope not.
:maddening:

21merc7
06-18-2011, 09:11 AM
HHJP not happy with anybody today

MaryAnn
06-18-2011, 09:11 AM
good morning everyone - my first day actually able to watch and post.


YAY! Hopefully we'll have a good day for Caylee!!

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 09:11 AM
HHJP not in a good mood today.

Serjen
06-18-2011, 09:11 AM
Judge Perry is pissed today!

Miss Anarchy
06-18-2011, 09:11 AM
HHJP - Approach the side bar and cut the comments out.

Man he is frustrated today.

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 09:11 AM
I hope this witness, testifies professionally and doesn't let JB sway his opinion, and it will go easier than yesterday. I haven't read his depo.

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
We look at the position of the tape on the body and if the body has undergone mummification, we get an area of where the tape is, because it's still attached to the mummified tissue.

RammerJammer
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
Judge P seems fed up with everyone and everything today.

logicalgirl
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
The decomp fluids kill the vegetative growth..... 2nd time we've heard that now.

Huh - I wonder if that was before or after the area was flooded.....

Stella5
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
Sidebar #3 and we're not even 30 minutes into the day. I'm beginning to think His Honor has a headache this morning. He again put his head back into his chair and remained there until everyone arrived at sidebar.

SurfieTX
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
George and Cindy are there.

gypsyblue
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
i overslept! what is this guys name? tyia

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
Testifying about expectations of decomp soil...decomp kills vegetative growth (again).
Look for environmental changes in soil - did not see any. No evidence in the report or photos.

Anthropologist should note soil changes in report. Has had numerous cases dealing with duct tape. Looked at numerous cases...duct tape used primarily to bind hands or facial area. When the body has soft tissue they look at positioning of tape to determine where exactly it was. When body has undergone mummification it is easier to determine...as a result of decomp skeletonised remains would be affected by...

THIRD SIDEBAR IN LESS THAN 30 MINUTES!

adb263
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
Poor HHJBP looks to sky as if to say "Lord GRant me patience"

Eidetic
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
HJBP looks like he is having a rough Saturday morning.

jenniek
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
One more quick comment before I shut up and listen: JA needs to be very careful with this witness. He's NOT a cocky know it all like the witness yesterday. If he's harsh or rude with this guy, it will turn the jury off, imo.

(Shutting up now.)

but he only saw pictures... not much weight in that

Cabin girl
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
okay watching HLN - not going to like all the commercial breaks. I can't tell you all how much I have appreciated your posts so I can keep up at work, and now I see how much more I appreciate your post because it's difficult to watch and type!

debloree
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
HHJP.....Folks stop the comments! Approach

MaraSleuth
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
What comments?? I missed it.

Ricki
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
Judge Perry is pissed today!

He does not want to be stuck to one witness again like yesterday, I would imagine.

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
What just happened? Judge is getting fed up.

jmfstl
06-18-2011, 09:13 AM
Who made the side comments?

Tuffy
06-18-2011, 09:13 AM
Ashton is doing a lot of vigorous head nodding, and flipping through papers at the sidebar.

RammerJammer
06-18-2011, 09:13 AM
Looks like we are all interpreting Judge P's mood the same. I'm sure the jury is, as well!

Phoebeb
06-18-2011, 09:13 AM
The decomp fluids kill the vegetative growth..... 2nd time we've heard that now.

And also heard some vegetation "thrives" in decomp areas, right? Never heard that before.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:13 AM
HJBP looks like he is having a rough Saturday morning.

Yes he does.

Click to enlarge image.
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alwaysonmymind
06-18-2011, 09:14 AM
Our teeth are held in place by tissue- roots and gums. When that's gone-


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Mohabi
06-18-2011, 09:14 AM
Huh - I wonder if that was before or after the area was flooded.....

I was just thinking of the A backyard where the grass won't grow, that's all. Probably the area where Caylee's remains were dumped was already flooded, so no impact, or little impact on vegetative growth under the bag. Just my thoughts, of course.

cloud9
06-18-2011, 09:14 AM
Wow... Is there a limit on expert witnesses you can have on the same subject? I find this all so redundant :banghead:

Well said! This is the same stuff, over and over!:maddening:

Oakley
06-18-2011, 09:14 AM
Since the SA didn't have the opportunity to depose this witness prior to now, wouldn't this, again, be another example of trial by ambush that JP warned he did not want?

Wise Old Owl
06-18-2011, 09:14 AM
Yes he did. I've never heard that phrase before. Very odd.

Oh, and good morning all.

whiteangora
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Has anyone told this "expert" that the area was underwater for a time?

Jose doesn't like to talk about that. lol

suzihawk
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
i overslept! what is this guys name? tyia

Dr Bill sumpin' sumpin' sumpin' Rodriquez III

coloradoteacher
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Weren't most of the teeth found still part of the skull/mandible?

I think they said only two teeth were in the skull when she was found but they were able to find all but one or two teeth in the grid search.

Florida Native
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Bill S. Just said that yesterday we saw JA give a clinic on how to cross exam an expert and he feels we will see it again today.

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
This guy is testifying from photos. I really want to know when he was hired. I'm guessing last night.

Another one, just like yesterday. Well then JA will just have to bring out the real thing :-)

ExpectingUnicorns
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
He did. Never heard that term before. Caylee was a toddler, not a "sub adult". Geez

This depersonalization really burns me! And if you take the offensive term literally, it's not even a proper descriptor. I would have made up the word "post-infant" as being closer to what sweet Caylee was rather than "sub-adult."

Sub-adult, indeed. I don't think the jurors will care for this expert's attitude, either.

Amster
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
HHJP only shows his "frustation" when JA objects. I'm sure the jury notices. He knows that.

debloree
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Who made the side comments?



The attorneys I believe.

npcougar
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Flooding is going to make it hard to nail down a spot in the area the body was found. Those chemicals are going to be washed away.

Pita
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
HJBP looks like he is having a rough Saturday morning.

I think he is suspecting this trial will not be over in the time frame he gave the jurors, and he did make some promises to some of them.

TexasDoll
06-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Why hasn't the SA brought up the conditions in which Caylee's body had undergone? Hurricane, heat, etc. Maybe I missed it? I hope JA brings that up at cross. OR are they not allowed to talk about the conditions?

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:16 AM
Supposedly HHJP has stated no more than 2 experts per field...but wonder what the limit is when all your experts are multidimensional?:waitasec:

Serjen
06-18-2011, 09:16 AM
Seriously all JA has to reiterate when he cross examines this guy is "So, all your testimony and opinions on this case are based on pictures, right? "You did not actually perform any tests, correct?" etc. If I were a juror, as smart and experienced as this guy is, I wouldn't take his opinion too seriously if it was just based on picture viewing.

ladynana
06-18-2011, 09:16 AM
he is a duct tape expert?

grandmaj
06-18-2011, 09:16 AM
Ohhhhhhhhh OK this person did not give this opinion about duct tape in his report. The rules are being broken yet again.

Pita
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Why hasn't the SA brought up the conditions in which Caylee's body had undergone? Hurricane, heat, etc. Maybe I missed it? I hope JA brings that up at cross. OR are they not allowed to talk about the conditions?

I am hoping it will be in rebuttal.

butwhatif?
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Looks like JP is as sick of sidebars as we are...

Mohabi
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Huh - I wonder if that was before or after the area was flooded.....


And also heard some vegetation "thrives" in decomp areas, right? Never heard that before.

I know something about this but have to read up on it before I opine, it's been too long ago and my memory isn't what it was.

Quiche
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Ultimately, this witness will be good for the STATE: there is a dead spot in her backyard, there is a decomp stain in her car, and the wooded site was under water for months. jmo

eta: Sorry, I made an error there, it should read state, rather than defense. :doh:

Never4GetCaylee
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Jean C. on HLN is repeating outfits...time to send her home for a break.
(I only noticed because I remember how much I liked this top when she had it on a few days ago)

Mountain_Kat
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
but he only saw pictures... not much weight in that

I don't know what evidence he's seen and hasn't seen, Jennie. The man has just begun his testimony.

TexasDoll
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Well said! This is the same stuff, over and over!:maddening:

I believe HHJP is allowing 2 experts per subject, anything after that would be considered bolstering.

mombomb
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
SIDEBAR #2 over (9:06-9:07)

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DR. RODRIGUEZ BY JB - continued

To determine the initial site, they would look for evidence of decomp fluid leakage. They would also see insect evidence.

He's looked at numerous cases where the body has been bound with duct tape.

SIDEBAR #3 (9:11-9:17)

TortillaChip
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
I do not get why soil is mentioned? It's not the same soil as that day? They testify as it is the same, and it sounds like they did tests on it, etc. This is nonsense. The jury knows this. I hope.

Brattigirle
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Pop Tart Jury.

little_miss_smart
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
looks like jury asked to leave again

mitzi
06-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Unpaid = pro bono? Or does it just mean his check is in the mail, too?

He's probably pro bono, cuz JB used up all KC's $$$ from Caylee pix (or kept all of it), and the DT knows the JAC will not pay for another entomologist for them/

grammieto5
06-18-2011, 09:18 AM
Judge P seems fed up with everyone and everything today.

Maybe JP is just tired of all the UUUMMMM's aaannndddd"s and JB :-) I know I am but I can not walk away!!! LOL

ZsaZsa
06-18-2011, 09:18 AM
This depersonalization really burns me! And if you take the offensive term literally, it's not even a proper descriptor. I would have made up the word "post-infant" as being closer to what sweet Caylee was rather than "sub-adult."

Sub-adult, indeed. I don't think the jurors will care for this expert's attitude, either.

What about calling her a child?
What an odd thing to say, sub anything makes it sound inferior.

Elley Mae
06-18-2011, 09:18 AM
i overslept! What is this guys name? Tyia

dr. Bill rodriguez

mombomb
06-18-2011, 09:18 AM
Okay guys - I'm off to the eye doctor. Hold down the fort :great:

steadychick
06-18-2011, 09:18 AM
Does it seem strange to anyone else that this witness did not say WHAT he got his degrees in? BA and MA are Bachelor and Masters of ART, not science. I tried googling to find out, but can't find it. Does anyone else have this info or know where to find it? Sorry if this has been asked already.

sleutherontheside
06-18-2011, 09:18 AM
Did this witness start testifying outside of his previously stated opinions. Yesterday TH went far outside the scope of his written opinions. In fact he almost slipped and admitted it.

JB pulled a fast one and got away with it. Sounds like he is trying to do the same with this witness.

stephr
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
His honor was so not happy about JA's request to approach :( Leaned his head back into his chair, looked up at the ceiling and remained in the chair until the attorneys' got to the sidebar.



It upsets me that HHJP let's JB object to anything the SA says, call for sidebars multiple times, etc., but gets all in a tizzy and hateful to JA when he asks for the same. I understand HHJP doesn't want a mistrial, but the way I am seeng it he is letting JB get away with much more than JA. By the way, JA's objections have some knowledge behind them. JMHO

:banghead:

STEADFAST
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
I tell ya, JB reallllly has an ax to grind with Dr. Vass. JB hates the guy. He even has this guy say right up front that he's unpaid. We all know he's obsessed with Dr. Vass getting paid by the State and making money off his "machine".

Especially since his witnesses are unpaid because he doesn't pay them, according to one of the experts the other day.

strawberry
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
AGAIN trying to give an opinion not in the report!!!

watergirl
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Ohhhhhhhhh OK this person did not give this opinion about duct tape in his report. The rules are being broken yet again.

we all saw this coming, yes?

truthsleuth
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Back from sidebar ...

JA; Objection is the opinion given by this witness is not contained in his report given under court order.

BritsKate
06-18-2011, 09:19 AM
JA objecting, jury out, that the opinion is not in his report!!!