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imamaze
06-18-2011, 09:54 PM
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

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Wonless
06-18-2011, 11:07 PM
HoneySugar,

I am wondering if it is possible for LE would to monitoring these boards as well...I mean thats what I keep thinking they must be doing..it seems like a good use of time and resources. As far as posting theories go, I feel like only way to deter criminals is to show them we the public are not affraid to come forward and that we are willing to do whatever it takes to catch them. Im not saying my theory is any more valid that anything else, it may be total hogwash, however, if there is a chance that something posted here helps catch this criminal, then I think we have to take the risk. These sick people need to be affraid, I would think that when they are affraid is when they make mistakes and get caught. Just my opinion. Being a newbie here, Ill gladly not post any further ideas if yall think its not a good idea.

Old Steve...
I thought of that also, and a few variations of that..., but you know, if she was a runaway, or the family thought she was a runaway, why the new gate, looking for her by the Dad...
I dont think they think that...because there actions don't fit them thinking that, but its possible..JMO.

jashrema
06-18-2011, 11:56 PM
I've read on this thread that people are wondering if Holly and Lauren Spierer disappearance could be related, and that they are of such similar looks and such. Also read theories that Holly disappearance could be related to being mistaken for famous cousin, or that cousin's celebrity could be related. It's odd because Lauren Spierer is also related to actress Tamara Braun....I just found this odd because you rarely hear of missing people being related to a celebrity and now in the last 2 months, 2 missing women have "famous" relatives...no theories or anything, I was just taking note..

http://twitter.com/#!/TamaraBraun

rosario
06-19-2011, 12:30 AM
to beane, why would I report you for just your opinion, and I was expressing mine in return..no hard feeling just strong opinions...this is why this is a great board.

nickel
06-19-2011, 12:30 AM
While it's interesting to note that TB and LS are related like HB and the country singer, I think there are only superficial similarities. TB and LS aren't even blood relations like HB is with her famous cousin. But this could be a new trend: stalking a relative of someone famous. With social networking all the creeps can come out of the woodwork even more easily.

jashrema
06-19-2011, 10:38 AM
While it's interesting to note that TB and LS are related like HB and the country singer, I think there are only superficial similarities.

I agree...don't think they're related at all, but just thought it was a weird coincidence.

Lera213
06-19-2011, 10:45 AM
Any official new news on this case?

wfgodot
06-19-2011, 10:55 AM
Any official new news on this case?

No new news. No one cleared, no serious suspects. The last TBI press release was on 19 April, two months ago today.

OldSteve
06-19-2011, 12:30 PM
I've read on this thread that people are wondering if Holly and Lauren Spierer disappearance could be related, and that they are of such similar looks and such. Also read theories that Holly disappearance could be related to being mistaken for famous cousin, or that cousin's celebrity could be related. It's odd because Lauren Spierer is also related to actress Tamara Braun....I just found this odd because you rarely hear of missing people being related to a celebrity and now in the last 2 months, 2 missing women have "famous" relatives...no theories or anything, I was just taking note..

http://twitter.com/#!/TamaraBraun

Wonder if that white truck being sought in the LS case was seen around the Bobo's area back in April....

jashrema
06-20-2011, 10:30 AM
Wonder if that white truck being sought in the LS case was seen around the Bobo's area back in April

Now THAT would be weird.

No news, no comments from family or TBI, no nothing again today. I'm sorry, I just find this ridiculous. Just a freaking timeline would be helpful at this point but they won't even release that and I'm SURE they have that together. At the very least, it would stop the conjecture of WHEN she was really abducted. UGH.

TobyWong*
06-20-2011, 10:42 AM
Now THAT would be weird.

No news, no comments from family or TBI, no nothing again today. I'm sorry, I just find this ridiculous. Just a freaking timeline would be helpful at this point but they won't even release that and I'm SURE they have that together. At the very least, it would stop the conjecture of WHEN she was really abducted. UGH.

BBM ITA!

IMO if you want your loved one found, you have to ask for help, even beg . No one's asking anything, doing anything(at least not where I see)no new tips or searches. Almost as if LE said"we've done all we can w/ the info we have been given" and the family is saying "stay away". Just my opinion of what I see and feel.
I'm actually angry that Holly does'nt seem to have anyone searching for her .Not alive, not her body. Another case that falls by the way side and us websleuthers seem to be the only ones asking "what's up?"

Praying she's found. Someone has to be accountable for this girl!

BeanE
06-20-2011, 01:10 PM
Now THAT would be weird.

No news, no comments from family or TBI, no nothing again today. I'm sorry, I just find this ridiculous. Just a freaking timeline would be helpful at this point but they won't even release that and I'm SURE they have that together. At the very least, it would stop the conjecture of WHEN she was really abducted. UGH.

BBM

Timeline from Kristin Helm of the TBI published just two weeks ago:

- The day she went missing Bobo put on her bright pink shirt, jeans and black flip-flops and packed her lunch for another day of nursing school at the nearby UT-Martin campus.

- Her brother, Clint, was still asleep. Their parents had already left for work.

- At 7:40 a.m., Holly walked to her black Ford Mustang on the long, winding driveway leading to the Bobo family’s rural Decatur County home.

- Minutes later, the family’s dog barked, waking Clint. He walked to the kitchen window that faces the expansive, treelined backyard to see what the ruckus was about. A man dressed in camouflage had his sister by the arm, leading her into the woods, he later told the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.

- The psychology student went out to his sister’s Mustang. She was supposed to be on her way to school, he knew. Next to her car, pooled a small puddle of blood and a spilled Coke can.

- Wide awake now, Clint Bobo ran into his house and called 911. He called his mother, Karen, a second-grade teacher who usually chatted by text with Holly several times a day. Panicked now, he ran into the woods where he had last seen his sister.
Nothing. She was nowhere. No more blood.

- Just after 8 a.m. that April 13 Wednesday, police surrounded the country home. Within hours, dogs, helicopters, horses joined in the search.

- The next day, Holly Bobo’s packed lunch was found about six miles north of her home toward Interstate 40.

- More of Holly’s belongings were found. Investigators with the TBI aren’t saying how many, or what the items are. They’re also not saying whose blood was next to Holly’s Mustang.

- Helm said no one has been ruled out as a suspect but added that investigators believe Clint Bobo’s account of that morning.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110603/NEWS/306030077/Holly-Bobo-s-family-holds-out-hope-her-return

BeanE
06-20-2011, 01:18 PM
BBM ITA!

IMO if you want your loved one found, you have to ask for help, even beg . No one's asking anything, doing anything(at least not where I see)no new tips or searches. Almost as if LE said"we've done all we can w/ the info we have been given" and the family is saying "stay away". Just my opinion of what I see and feel.
I'm actually angry that Holly does'nt seem to have anyone searching for her .Not alive, not her body. Another case that falls by the way side and us websleuthers seem to be the only ones asking "what's up?"

Praying she's found. Someone has to be accountable for this girl!

BBM

LE and her family continue to search for Holly.

With a quick check, I easily found a number of MSM news articles on the continued LE and family searches, all published in just the last couple weeks. Here are just some of them:


LE continues to conduct searches


- Mehr said agents are still occasionally searching for Bobo

http://www.wbtv.com/story/14452862/young-woman-missing-was-dragged-from-tenn-home


- They continue to investigate and conduct limited searches as leads develop.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/28217864/detail.html

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110612/NEWS25/106120318


He said local law enforcement and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation continue to search new areas every week although the family has not been made aware of any recent leads.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14873843/spokesperson-says-holly-bobos-family-remains-hopeful


- Investigators still follow leads and go out searching almost every day.

- official agents are still searching local areas every week.

- The EMA director said they go out at least twice a week.

- Local volunteers as well as out-of-town search groups have continued searching on their own.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-bobo-two-months,0,7592918.story?track=rss


Holly's family continues to search for her almost *every day*

- “I think I’d be safe in saying they have not missed a single day looking for Holly,” he says.

- “They go out and just double check places to make sure nothing’s been missed in the organized search.”

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Holly-Bobo-Missing-for-2-Months-Family-Believes/GlG8QCC4NkuRrdL4R6sqdg.cspx?rss=59

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/Holly-Bobo-Missing-for-2-Months-Family-Believes/GlG8QCC4NkuRrdL4R6sqdg.cspx?rss=59


- Neighbors of Karen and Dana Bobo said the family continues to search daily for their daughter, Holly. Even though larger volunteer-led searches have stopped, the family continues to comb the woods of Decatur County when they can, neighbor Tonya Manley says.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Bobo-Investigation-Continues-Two-Months-After-Disappearance-123763464.html


- Bromley said the family wants Holly to know they are still looking for her, and they love her and miss her very much and just want her to come home.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14873843/spokesperson-says-holly-bobos-family-remains-hopeful


- Most every day, Dana Bobo searches wooded areas, fields and ponds.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110603/NEWS/306030077/Holly-Bobo-s-family-holds-out-hope-her-return

Abba's Tears
06-20-2011, 01:18 PM
Praying for Holly.

mountainguy777
06-20-2011, 02:44 PM
It seems that the only way this case breaks open is with a body.

pittsburghgirl
06-20-2011, 03:17 PM
It seems that the only way this case breaks open is with a body.

it is sad that you are essentially describing the situation in most--nearly all--of these cases in which people are known to be abductees. The best shot at rescuing someone like Holly is in finding her before the abductor gets her to a place where he feels safe. That has to be a matter of hours, not days.

Thaks, BeanE for reminding us that the family and LE continue to look for Holly. I am not sure why so many believe that these people have given up.

I recall the criticism that Kristi Cornwell's family faced when she was abducted and her family spent money on chartering aircraft, etc. We can also think of other cases in which families have done searches and have still been vilified by the public (Natalee Holloway's family is a major case in point). In the case, the family and LE are criticized even though they are doing the best they can.

The only thing we in the public seem to know for sure is that her lunch, at least, made it into a car and out of the woods. And once again, it is so heart-breaking to see a family mourn for a beautiful young person taken from that family, taken from her friends, taken from her life. We can still hope that this story will be one of the rare ones with a happy ending.

grandmaj
06-20-2011, 05:09 PM
Look I'm not going to give any more warnings. If you have a problem with a post hit the alert button. Do not carry out arguments on the thread. It is against the Rules here and I'm getting tired of saying it.

We aren't getting anywhere with the constant discussion and whining about the family not speaking out. Or throwing baits about the family which I have warned against repeatedly.

Go look for some news, stop picking apart the family and do what we are here to to. Take news articles and try to find something in them if nothing else document them.

This is not why we are here. All of the negativity is counter productive. Sometimes cases are just not active and we have to go with what we have.

Please take the links provided and keep checking for news. But stop bashing LE and stop pounding on this family. Because this family has not acted the way we would like to see, or because LE hasn't kept a constant news leak means nothing more than the case is being handled differently. Until we have proof otherwise stop.

Last and Final warning.

wfgodot
06-20-2011, 05:09 PM
Missing in Tennessee - an update

Shelley Mook....missing for 112 days
Holly Bobo.......missing for 68 days
Gail Palmgren...missing for 51 days

BeanE
06-20-2011, 06:23 PM
Missing in Tennessee - an update

Shelley Mook....missing for 112 days
Holly Bobo.......missing for 68 days
Gail Palmgren...missing for 51 days

Zaylee Fryar missing since May 1, 2011 - 52 days if my math is correct, which I won't guarantee tonight.

Wonless
06-20-2011, 11:38 PM
Although not MSM so I won't post the link, what do yall think about the reports of psychics becoming a problem for investigators that are popping up on google. Any thoughts on how seriously LE would actually take these kinds of claims? Is this a topic thats OK to post about?

Carla Lashelle
06-21-2011, 08:29 AM
Another local benefit

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979481106

After two months community support seems to be pretty strong. thats a good sign IMHO because even with the lack of news outside of the area, it shows that in Holly's town people do keep her case and situation up front.

While its a Gather article is does report about an actual event.

jashrema
06-21-2011, 09:48 AM
Motorcycle benefit ride this Saturday..can only find 2 articles about it posted below..

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979481106

and

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/helping-holly-run-motorcycle-ride-auction-for-missing-tn-nursing-student

the article above also posts a timeline of events for the day.

BeanE
06-21-2011, 10:03 AM
Motorcycle benefit ride this Saturday..can only find 2 articles about it posted below..

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979481106

and

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/helping-holly-run-motorcycle-ride-auction-for-missing-tn-nursing-student

the article above also posts a timeline of events for the day.

Will Nunley got all the info on it, and his station, WBBJ, published an article about it on June 13 on WBBJ.

Both of those pay-for-clicks blogs, Examiner and Gather, likely took the info from him and the WBBJ article. Ya know - so they could get more clicks and get more $$$ off this victim.

Here's the news article about the event:

Holly Bobo Benefit Ride
Story Created: Jun 13, 2011 at 12:24 PM CDT
Story Updated: Jun 13, 2011 at 12:24 PM CDT
http://www.wbbjtv.com/community/community-calendar/123757009.html

jashrema
06-21-2011, 10:36 AM
Both of those pay-for-clicks blogs, Examiner and Gather, likely took the info from him and the WBBJ article. Ya know - so they could get more clicks and get more $$$ off this victim.

What does this mean??? I admit, I'm computer stupid as far as this goes. I did not pay to read both articles, but are you saying that everytime you click on that article, the site receives money? Enlighten me someone please?


I think the following is an excellent site tho. It takes published news reports and videos, provides the links, and summarizes them for you in 2 week blocks. Summaries are NOT slanted, just the facts. Below is the block of June 1-15....Interesting, I did not know that TBI had focused on searching car washes..

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/holly-bobo-news-articles-videos-june-1-through-june-3-2011/

OldSteve
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
What does this mean??? I admit, I'm computer stupid as far as this goes. I did not pay to read both articles, but are you saying that everytime you click on that article, the site receives money? Enlighten me someone please?


I think the following is an excellent site tho. It takes published news reports and videos, provides the links, and summarizes them for you in 2 week blocks. Summaries are NOT slanted, just the facts. Below is the block of June 1-15....Interesting, I did not know that TBI had focused on searching car washes..

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/holly-bobo-news-articles-videos-june-1-through-june-3-2011/

Thanks for the link http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/holly-bobo-news-articles-videos-june-1-through-june-3-2011/ - this is really good! Just like you said - thanks!

Two things stood out in reading all that's there - 1) alibis all check out, 2)
being treated as a missing person's case, not a homicide.

So many times on true crime shows I've seen what appeared to be solid alibis turn out to be not so when it is friends or family members who are offering it.

Considering how tight-knit a community the area is, I would imagine many of the alibis are the result of families/friends of people in question - making things tricky for LE.

jashrema
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011...h-june-3-2011/


OMG! I am really out of the loop.

BEAN...is this YOUR website?? I went over to post an interview with Melanie Goulds brother about what happened when she went missing and say your post! Either way...it's a GREAT site! lol...i really have to get out more

cluciano63
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
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OMG! I am really out of the loop.

BEAN...is this YOUR website?? I went over to post an interview with Melanie Goulds brother about what happened when she went missing and say your post! Either way...it's a GREAT site! lol...i really have to get out more

Yes, that is BeanE's site...:)

wfgodot
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
Yes, that is BeanE's site...:)

Best case site around!

Wonless
06-21-2011, 11:10 AM
Suppose Holly meets someone not her boyfriend and quickly falls deeply in love with him, or alternatively in the Manson followers mold falls in love but also is manipulated by a stronger personality. Either way, they decide the only thing to do is to runaway and start a new life. Being an Adult, all Holly has to do is leave a note explaining and ask not to be followed...and the family would have no legal recourse, but I can not understand how Holly would cause all of this pain for the family, as well as make very difficult to move around without being recognized. No way they could stay in TN and not be recognized by now. Also why stage the aduction. Risking getting yourself in real bad trouble when you have no ill intentions? Also this person would either have to be Local in some sense, or have met Holly online, either of which would have left a trail that would have lead LE to a second missing person. I just can't buy that this happened give the facts that we know.
So that leads me to believe the only posssiblity is that HB was aducted agiast her will. JMO.

On a different note, LE has the its investigation has been hampered by many false and irrelivant leads
(http://www.kait8.com/story/14834906/tbi-says-it-does-not-need-interference-in-search-for-holly-bobo)

, and yet we see

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979480295

Also does anyone else thing that picture looks alot like Holly's Dad? Maybe its a subliminal message?

OldSteve
06-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Suppose Holly meets someone not her boyfriend and quickly falls deeply in love with him, or alternatively in the Manson followers mold falls in love but also is manipulated by a stronger personality. Either way, they decide the only thing to do is to runaway and start a new life. Being an Adult, all Holly has to do is leave a note explaining and ask not to be followed...and the family would have no legal recourse, but I can not understand how Holly would cause all of this pain for the family, as well as make very difficult to move around without being recognized. No way they could stay in TN and not be recognized by now. Also why stage the aduction. Risking getting yourself in real bad trouble when you have no ill intentions? Also this person would either have to be Local in some sense, or have met Holly online, either of which would have left a trail that would have lead LE to a second missing person. I just can't buy that this happened give the facts that we know.
So that leads me to believe the only posssiblity is that HB was aducted agiast her will. JMO.

On a different note, LE has the its investigation has been hampered by many false and irrelivant leads
(http://www.kait8.com/story/14834906/tbi-says-it-does-not-need-interference-in-search-for-holly-bobo)

, and yet we see

http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979480295

Also does anyone else thing that picture looks alot like Holly's Dad? Maybe its a subliminal message?


IIRC TBI says HB is NOT a run away.

I had a theory relating HB to wanting to be a singer like her cousin, - so she runs off... but in light of TBI saying she is not a run away, then she she would have to have been lured away, or at least willing to meet someone long enough that morning to be abducted...

Wonless
06-21-2011, 01:10 PM
IIRC TBI says HB is NOT a run away.

I had a theory relating HB to wanting to be a singer like her cousin, - so she runs off... but in light of TBI saying she is not a run away, then she she would have to have been lured away, or at least willing to meet someone long enough that morning to be abducted...

I think it was a decent theory, I had thought about that also...in the interest of being thorough I was revisiting it. I just can't see how it works out.

Carla Lashelle
06-21-2011, 03:46 PM
I thought about the idea of her being lured away or having some sort of meeting with a stranger where he abducted her but it did not really mesh well with the few known details. I think its worth examining just because in general young girls do get mixed up with men they meet in various places and go willingly or unwillingly with them...

But in this case things that stood out to me:

Why leave the morning she had exams

Why not just leave... not walk off into the woods

Why dump stuff like the lunch bag

Blood and spilled drink was found at the home

She didnt take her car

I assume there has been no debit card activity since she vanished (not that has been reported)

Doesnt seem to be the type of person who would do it

LE said they felt she was in fear for her life and that has to be based on something

Immediate reaction by the family and LE is not what you would expect if it were someone Holly knew or went away with, etc.

In cases where girls do run off with guys they meet online, or if they are abducted by people they meet online, thats published news... you know they put out a BOLO for them saying they met online, where he is from or where they might be going...

Kimster
06-21-2011, 11:26 PM
I've removed the snarky posts. Be nice to each other. This is the last warning.

Wonless
06-22-2011, 12:41 AM
I thought about the idea of her being lured away or having some sort of meeting with a stranger where he abducted her but it did not really mesh well with the few known details. I think its worth examining just because in general young girls do get mixed up with men they meet in various places and go willingly or unwillingly with them...

But in this case things that stood out to me:

Why leave the morning she had exams

Why not just leave... not walk off into the woods

Why dump stuff like the lunch bag

Blood and spilled drink was found at the home

She didnt take her car

I assume there has been no debit card activity since she vanished (not that has been reported)

Doesnt seem to be the type of person who would do it

LE said they felt she was in fear for her life and that has to be based on something

Immediate reaction by the family and LE is not what you would expect if it were someone Holly knew or went away with, etc.

In cases where girls do run off with guys they meet online, or if they are abducted by people they meet online, thats published news... you know they put out a BOLO for them saying they met online, where he is from or where they might be going...

Great points...I agree.

Mr. Noatak
06-22-2011, 01:34 AM
My opinions only, no facts here:

Well, I had my names in the Holly Bobo case after two weeks, but now this investigation is getting OLD and no officially reported progress regarding NAMES after months. I need a press conference from the investigators to rate my progress. Compare this case with the very recent Lauren Spierer case, where everything is being laid on the line and the parents are very actively involved. Beyond these superficial observations, I am not making even the slightest comparisons; the Lauren Spierer case has the general feel of the Morgan Harrington affair. What I call a "road trip" crime. The Holly Bobo case is decidedly different to me, and I am surprised that this case seems to be languishing. It is not as obtuse as it seems.

jashrema
06-22-2011, 09:57 AM
Has it been published anywhere if LE has investigated any particular patients she may have been treating at the time?

Do we know..

1. Was she still in classroom only or was she in clinicals in regards to where she was at in her schooling for LPN? I assume she had clinicals (working in hospitals etc) along with book/class work as an LPN usually gets right into clinicals since the amount of time in school is shorter than an RN.

2. If she was in clinicals..where? Was she doing her OB rotation? Med-Surg rotation? Or psychiatric rotation?

3. If she was in psych rotation...who were her patients? Have any been released? What were they in psych for? Any violence?

I'm an old nurse now (lol) but as a young nurse, particularly before you knew better, it was common to share things with you patient about your life. It built rapport. And patients, particularly mentally unstable ones, can easily fixate on you. I would think in a small town, it would be pretty easy. I can see Holly saying, "Oh yeah, y'know we live out on Swan Johnson, my mom works over at blah blah blah... Fixation on you when you're a nurse happens pretty regularly in my experience..happened to me more than once.

Florence Nightengale syndrome could be in play here...JMO

does anyone know if hospital associates/patients have been investigated and cleared?

Carla Lashelle
06-22-2011, 08:35 PM
Yes she was doing clinicals. Obviously for privacy reasons no invormation about anyone she may have had contact with has been disclosed.

Flmomof2
06-22-2011, 09:13 PM
She wasnt dressed for clinicals according to the LE info. Clinicals have very strict dress code, scrubs, uniform smock, hair up, white closed toe shoes etc. She was reportedly wearing jeans and flip flops. She certainly wouldnt be allowed in any clinical setting like that. Its more likely she had class on campus that day, especially since its reported she had a test.

BeanE
06-22-2011, 09:29 PM
Investigators take new approach to finding Holly Bobo

WSMV - Updated: Jun 22, 2011 7:19 PM EDT

- There's a new approach to how investigators are working to find Holly Bobo
fresh sets of eyes are looking at the case.

- a new group of authorities have been called in to help.

- This week the National Guard Armory is now the new headquarters for some extra investigators assigned to the case. According to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, the agents were brought in from different parts of the state to see if things were missed, to re-interview people and to essentially put a fresh set of eyes on the facts.

- Channel 4 asked the TBI Wednesday about what exactly was found on the side of the road a few weeks back and who's blood was on a car in Holly's carport. A spokeswoman said they don't want to disclose too much information so that when they interview people, they won't confuse what they really know with what they have seen on television.

- And as for Holly's parents, friends around town say her dad still goes searching for their little girl every day.

- Some of Holly's relatives stopped by a print shop in Parsons on Wednesday that's printing flyers with Bobo's face. Her relatives were picking up maps of Decatur County. The thing that is hurting her parents the most are all the rumors floating around out there online and in their small town.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/14959680/investigators-take-new-approach-to-finding-holly-bobo?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

BeanE
06-22-2011, 11:09 PM
Facebook: ABC 7 Eyewitness News - WBBJ
Holly Bobo's family sat down with ABC 7 Eyewitness News this afternooon. Hear what they have to say about her disappearance, the search for her kidnapper, and the outpouring of community support tonight at 6 and 10..
8 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/pages/ABC-7-Eyewitness-News-WBBJ/159026164741

WBBJ's website:
http://www.wbbjtv.com/

This is Will Nunley's station.

BeanE
06-23-2011, 12:07 AM
Bobo Family Talks about Search
By Keli McAlister
Story Created: Jun 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM CDT
Story Updated: Jun 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM CDT

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Bobo-Family-Talks-about-Search-124398169.html

Video not yet posted but article is up.

ETA: Both video and article are now up.

shefner
06-23-2011, 12:44 AM
Bobo Family Talks about Search
By Keli McAlister
Story Created: Jun 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM CDT
Story Updated: Jun 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM CDT

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Bobo-Family-Talks-about-Search-124398169.html

Video not yet posted but article is up.

ETA: Both video and article are now up.

I am sooo happy that they personally spoke to the media. I'm sure it is difficult for them to talk about it and maybe they just needed time to do so. For some reason, I always felt they didn't speak personally because they felt it might not be good for Holly's well-being.
I also feel, as I have for a while, that her abduction has something to do with the Bobo family. NOT that they did anything to her but that this was possibly a revenge motivated crime, in addition to other motivations. Just a gut feeling that could be wrong.
I really wish Holly could be found. This case is such a mystery....

Wonless
06-23-2011, 01:01 AM
So I am trying to do the math on the time the perp had from the moment he conforts Holly till the time police arrive and begin to secure the area.

Please feel free to add an opinion, I may be missing something known here..

I plot is at about this:

1 to 2 minutes from the time dog barks till CB looks out kitchen window and sees perp with HB. 5 minutes at the outside.
After this time the perp and HB never seen agian that we know of..

5 to 10 minutes, CB goes to carport, finds blood and coke can, goes inside, calls mom and 911 and then proceeds to edge of woods where HB last seen. Sees/hears nothing.

Mom is home before police arrive at residence...Scotts Hill School 28 min drive..so at least 30 mins here.

So my math is:
Initail Abduction 1-2 mins.
Headed in the opposite direction of the road according the interpretation of "woods/treeline behind the carport.",
Out of sight or hearing of the actual crime scene in approx 5 to 10 minutes,
Out of the immediate vicinity of Swan Johnson road in at minimun as I read it 30 mins.

I can't see how its possble that HB is left during this time because within a 30 minute walking radius she would have been found by now..also I dont think there would have been time...especially if the perp had been alerted by CB calling into the woods for HB, or calling her Cell Phone...So what fits this timeline?

Lera213
06-23-2011, 01:19 AM
I just hope this poor girl is found. I have nothing to go on at all just pure gut says she is alive and being held. I just pray she is found alive soon.

Mr. Noatak
06-23-2011, 01:41 AM
Has it been published anywhere if LE has investigated any particular patients she may have been treating at the time?

Do we know..

1. Was she still in classroom only or was she in clinicals in regards to where she was at in her schooling for LPN? I assume she had clinicals (working in hospitals etc) along with book/class work as an LPN usually gets right into clinicals since the amount of time in school is shorter than an RN.

2. If she was in clinicals..where? Was she doing her OB rotation? Med-Surg rotation? Or psychiatric rotation?

3. If she was in psych rotation...who were her patients? Have any been released? What were they in psych for? Any violence?

I'm an old nurse now (lol) but as a young nurse, particularly before you knew better, it was common to share things with you patient about your life. It built rapport. And patients, particularly mentally unstable ones, can easily fixate on you. I would think in a small town, it would be pretty easy. I can see Holly saying, "Oh yeah, y'know we live out on Swan Johnson, my mom works over at blah blah blah... Fixation on you when you're a nurse happens pretty regularly in my experience..happened to me more than once.

Florence Nightengale syndrome could be in play here...JMO

does anyone know if hospital associates/patients have been investigated and cleared?

My opinions only, no facts here:

I may not fully agree with your theory, but the mention of the "Florence Nightengale syndrome" (I am sure you meant Nightingale) definitely to me shows: you are one of the special sleuths.

Mr. Noatak
06-23-2011, 02:14 AM
My opinions only, no facts here:

I may not fully agree with your theory, but the mention of the "Florence Nightengale syndrome" (I am sure you meant Nightingale) definitely to me shows: you are one of the special sleuths.

My opinions only, no facts here:

I saw the news-clip of the 2nd public appearance of the family since the crime occurred. Remarkable. Now hopefully, the family or law enforcement will hold a news conference and field questions from reporters so us sleuths can get our teeth into this case. If not, then nothing has changed, the status quo remains.

shefner
06-23-2011, 02:39 AM
I am glad that the family spoke...I think that was important. Of course, they gave us nothing new. And it wasn't really an "interview," since I'm sure the Bobo's are limited in the answers they can give to the questions we are all wondering about.

I would like to ask:
What was Holly doing in the days and evenings leading up to her disappearance?
Do you know anyone who may have had a reason to be angry with any member of your family?

Anyone care to add some questions for that perfect interview (if we could get one!)?

shefner
06-23-2011, 02:47 AM
The "Nightingale Effect" (or syndrome, as it is commonly known these days), occurs when a caretaker, such as a doctor or nurse, develops feelings of love or sexual desire for a patient for whom they are responsible. It is sometimes referred to for the opposite situation, where the patient develops an attachment and attraction for their caretaker. However, the later is not a classic description of the Nightingale Effect.

Does someone think that Holly had a patient for whom she developed strong romantic and erotic feelings? How would that play out by resulting in Holly's abduction? On the other hand, could Holly have had a patient who became obsessed with her? I wonder if this possibility has been eliminated by LE?

Eileen730
06-23-2011, 08:19 AM
IIRC TBI says HB is NOT a run away.

I had a theory relating HB to wanting to be a singer like her cousin, - so she runs off... but in light of TBI saying she is not a run away, then she she would have to have been lured away, or at least willing to meet someone long enough that morning to be abducted...

Maybe she walked away!

Im not sure what happened to her but if it is an abduction she knew the guy!!!
And there is only one witness so we have to go by what he has said. If she wasnt abducted something happened to her in that home...JMO

LE keep saying someone knows and maybe some of her GF's know and they aint telling...

Carla Lashelle
06-23-2011, 08:27 AM
She wasnt dressed for clinicals according to the LE info. Clinicals have very strict dress code, scrubs, uniform smock, hair up, white closed toe shoes etc. She was reportedly wearing jeans and flip flops. She certainly wouldnt be allowed in any clinical setting like that. Its more likely she had class on campus that day, especially since its reported she had a test.

I didnt mean she had them that day but that is the part of the program she is in. Supposedly she had her exams the day of her disappearance. Thats been covered here before. There has been a lot of discussion about what she may/may not have been carrying with her to school that day.

Carla Lashelle
06-23-2011, 08:29 AM
Does someone think that Holly had a patient for whom she developed strong romantic and erotic feelings? How would that play out by resulting in Holly's abduction? On the other hand, could Holly have had a patient who became obsessed with her? I wonder if this possibility has been eliminated by LE?

I would think that unless LE had a specific named suspect, the names of any patient Holly worked with would be protected by various confidentiality laws.

Strawberry Fields
06-23-2011, 08:51 AM
I have not posted on Holly's threads for a good while, but the thing about a possible obsessed patient is something that crossed my mind early-on, but only my thought was concerning the fact that I believe her brother is in the social work field. I was thinking perhaps she frequently went to have lunch with him where he works (maybe he works in a mental health facility/treatment setting) and a patient there could have seen her with him and started watching and eventually was released (or could have even been an outpatient) and started secretly following and learning the family's routine. The reason I even entertained this "possible scenario" was because back in the 70's, I worked as a secretary in a mental health facility for a group of social workers and I guess I'm seeing things from that sort of perspective. All just my own speculation as I have nothing else really. Also, it crossed my mind because in the case of the VA Tech shooter, sadly, the mental health "system" failed and he evidently slipped through the cracks.

HoneySugar
06-23-2011, 09:19 AM
"The Bobos and investigators alike believe there are people they see in their own communities who know who took Holly. "Anyone out there who has any information, no matter how small you think it is, please, come forward with it and turn that in to authorities," said Clint."

The above quote snipped from the transcript of the second interview (sorry, too computer illiterate to know how to post links). Anyway, this quote, especially when I heard it in the video of the family's statement, gave me the distinct impression Clint has strong suspicions of who he thinks is withholding information. MOO.

shefner
06-23-2011, 11:04 AM
"The Bobos and investigators alike believe there are people they see in their own communities who know who took Holly. "Anyone out there who has any information, no matter how small you think it is, please, come forward with it and turn that in to authorities," said Clint."

The above quote snipped from the transcript of the second interview (sorry, too computer illiterate to know how to post links). Anyway, this quote, especially when I heard it in the video of the family's statement, gave me the distinct impression Clint has strong suspicions of who he thinks is withholding information. MOO.

Yes! I think this may be why the family has not been more personally outspoken in the media. They have a good idea what has happened....and who did it....and why.

mountainguy777
06-23-2011, 01:07 PM
It was good to hear from the bobo family. They will never give up searching. The comment I found interesting was "LE believes holly is still in west tennessee."

cocomod
06-23-2011, 02:42 PM
Here is an article written about Holly. It has a link to the interview. I have thought since the beginning that Clint did not have anything to do with Holly's disappearance. However, I am beginning to believe as others have speculated that they may have some idea who did do this. I hope and pray every day that Holly will be brought home safely. Miracles do happen!


http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-s-parents-and-brother-break-their-silence-issue-plea-for-help

CuriousBystander
06-23-2011, 02:43 PM
.

I agree...don't think they're related at all, but just thought it was a weird coincidence.



I would surmise that everyone is related to someone famous somewhere in their family tree. Heck, there's probably some poor unsuspecting soul that is even related to Justin Bieber.

goldiegirl
06-23-2011, 05:13 PM
It was good to hear from the bobo family. They will never give up searching. The comment I found interesting was "LE believes holly is still in west tennessee."


The way they said this irritates me. I don't like it when either LE or the reporters (who knows where the exact wording actually comes from) say things like, "They have no evidence to suggest she left west Tennessee." (BTW, I support LE, so don't take that comment too seriously.) That doesn't mean anything. Does it mean they have evidence leading them to believe she did NOT leave that area? Or does it mean they have no evidence one way or the other? The way the word these things is misleading sometimes. Why tell us what they DON'T have evidence of? It doesn't really make sense. They don't have evidence of a lot of things, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I wonder if what they meant to say was that they have a reason to believe she didn't leave rather than they don't have a reason to believe she did?

Wonless
06-24-2011, 12:47 AM
The way they said this irritates me. I don't like it when either LE or the reporters (who knows where the exact wording actually comes from) say things like, "They have no evidence to suggest she left west Tennessee." (BTW, I support LE, so don't take that comment too seriously.) That doesn't mean anything. Does it mean they have evidence leading them to believe she did NOT leave that area? Or does it mean they have no evidence one way or the other? The way the word these things is misleading sometimes. Why tell us what they DON'T have evidence of? It doesn't really make sense. They don't have evidence of a lot of things, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I wonder if what they meant to say was that they have a reason to believe she didn't leave rather than they don't have a reason to believe she did?

This is all stictly my opinion, but here is why I think LE and family believe this is local.
Looking at this photo of the Bobo property

http://www.diigo.com/bookmark/http%3A%2F%2Fi296.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm166 %2Fcrankycrankerson%2FHolly%2520Bobo%2520%2520-TN-%2FAerial20of20property.jpg?tab=people&uname=casesignal

If the perp heads west from the carport(the treeline behind the carport is the what CB was quoted as saying) and since this is the closest cover, makes sense...then at some point they turn north, putting them quite close to Swan Johnson Rd which runs northwest and looks closer to the house at that point than at the actual driveway entrance. I think IF the perp's escape required crossing Swan Johnson, he would want to do it as soon as possible, to get accross that open area before the alarm has spread. It would also account for CB not seeing them when he came back out after the 911 call. In my experience, these things almost always happen exactly like you would think they would, like how people cut across the grass to avoid the 90 dregree angle of two sidewalks. Its just ingrained in most humans to take the path of least waste, especially in thick woods. Neighbors/population are obvious to the South from every map and picture Ive seen, so lets assume the perp comes in from/escapes to the north...leaving a vehicle either on the east or west side of the road, maybe or maybe not right off the road, and maybe or maybe not close to the house, but LE must have some idea where, which would indicate how long the escape took. Also Town is to the South, the most likely approach of police is from that direction..So perp reaches a vehicle and drives North to escape the immediate area. At some point they are at or near both Gooch Rd with lunchbag(remember though, this is found after first rain and near a creek) and at the site of the Easter evidence.

Any order is possible with the Easter evidence or the lunchbag left first. It could be driven both ways, however each of those ways suggest the perp heading in an different direction.

Suppose the Easter evidence is a cell phone, which was widely rumored(Sorry grandmaJ), I would think the perp tosses that out first because lots of people know that cell phone companies record GPS locations of customers, so that would worry the Perp. If that was tossed first, then it implies the perp must have headed North/North West, which agian, is away from population, and makes sense especally if he still has Holly. If we consider that Gooch road appears to be an isolated area and far enough away from the crime scene that the perp feels safe enough to re-secure HB, then we can now tie in the duct tape evidence also.

Still supposing the Easter Evidence is a cell phone, but now consider the lunchbag is tossed out first..The perp heads north from the crime scene, tosses out the lunchbag, and then South toward population and then tosses the easter evidence, but if it is a cell phone why hang onto it? Its way more dangerous to him than the lunch. I just dont buy this person is that careless.

North and West make more sense. I think LE and the family think this also, and I think its possible that looking at it this way connects the dots to area's that have been searched as well as to the RSO who tried to sell/scrap the truck a few days after the crime. I think that they very likely have a suspect, but not the evidence.

I think that if LE wants to more effectively use the public to help them find Holly, the best thing to do is to post a clear as possible timeline of the first hour/hours after the crime happened. For instance..someone may have seen something at one of the evidence locations, but at a time that seemed unrelated to the crime. We the public just don't know if its possible for the perp to have been seen at say Gooch Rd at 8am...maybe it is..and maybe somebody sees him...but doesn't think its possible for that to connected because its to early.
Also LE could release a most likely direction of travel..
Either of these things could help the public help Holly, without giving any of the "special" evidence away.

JMO

cluciano63
06-24-2011, 01:11 AM
The only way I can see that they believe Holly is still in W. Tennessee is if they have a suspect or suspects who were not gone from town long enough to bring or leave her anywhere else. Otherwise, how on earth they can say this is beyond me. I am hoping they are not trying to say she is still within state lines in order to keep lead on the case, rather than FBI, if that would be a factor.

MLE
06-24-2011, 01:24 AM
I don't think the family knows who the perp is, because I think male relatives would have confronted the perp directly, or kidnapped one or more of the perp's female relatives to use for a prisoner swap. I don't think they would just be sitting around letting the perp go on with this day after day.

Wonless
06-24-2011, 01:50 AM
The only way I can see that they believe Holly is still in W. Tennessee is if they have a suspect or suspects who were not gone from town long enough to bring or leave her anywhere else. Otherwise, how on earth they can say this is beyond me. I am hoping they are not trying to say she is still within state lines in order to keep lead on the case, rather than FBI, if that would be a factor.

Im sure not sad to hear "fresh eyes/new approach"!

BeanE
06-24-2011, 05:55 AM
I took the West Tennessee thing as meaning that although they have no physical evidence that she was killed, statistically, she was most likely killed by her abductor very soon after abduction, and so her body would be in West TN.

If she wasn't killed, and is being kept captive, the most likely place would be fairly near to the abduction point. Travelling with a victim greatly increases risk of discovery and capture. Holing up is the best option.

That again points to someone local, who would have a history there to assist them in the weeks before the abduction to find a good hiding place.

Holed up somewhere like Natchez Trace park. Lots of woods and hiding places in there. Again, that would put Holly in West TN.

Statistically and circumstantially though, I think Holly was killed very quickly. At the most, maybe he kept her alive for up to 24 hours, but that's just not how these animals function. They just kill, or rape and kill, within just a few hours.

I think poor Holly was gone within an hour at the most, and the perp had already picked out a 'good' disposal place. Not hard to do in that area, particularly for a local who knows the area.

Just my own opinion.

What awful thoughts as soon as I wake up. :(

God bless Holly, and Dana, Karen, and Clint too.

BeanE
06-24-2011, 05:55 AM
Im sure not sad to hear "fresh eyes/new approach"!

I always LOVE to see that!!!

BeanE
06-24-2011, 09:55 AM
Holly's Twitter Archive updated:
http://keepstream.com/CaseSignal

OldSteve
06-24-2011, 11:28 AM
"Helping Holly Run” ride and auction."

I see mention of this at Will Nunley's:

http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/helping-holly-run-motorcycle-ride-auction-for-missing-tn-nursing-student

So Holly's disappearance is being kept alive in the media by these kind of events.

rosario
06-24-2011, 05:16 PM
I am so glad they talked as well, I hope they trust the people helping them.

FXSTS
06-24-2011, 10:27 PM
Nice to hear something from the family. I've never thought that she would be found alive, but for some reason I get the feeling that they think she might be.
I don't know diddly about crime investigation, but although the publicity
is nice, there was no new information released. Are they hoping that a person of interest or two might show up at this ride/auction? The publicity seems almost like a strategic chess move to me rather than an effort to keep her name and face out there.

I agree with some that they know quite a bit about how, what , and who but just don't have the evidence. I've never believed anyone in her immediate
family has anything to do with this, however I can't shake the feeling that it
was retribution or some kind of personal vendetta against a family member for something they did or didn't do that the perp saw as "reason " for this. I also believe that there is a possibility that someone well versed in law enforcement techniques is helping to cover.

MLE
06-24-2011, 11:10 PM
There's a show on bio channel right now about girls in California who went missing, with blood being found at the scene of the abductions. Even though the person who abducted Holly is obviously not the same person who took these girls, I thought it might be interesting to watch since the perps have a similar MO. Maybe it could give some insight into the thought processes of Holly's abductor.

shefner
06-25-2011, 12:14 AM
"Helping Holly Run," is not a good name for this event...sorry to say. It might sound better as "Bring Holly Home Run," or something like that. Either way, I hope the family feels the love and support their community is offering to them...and I hope the community begins to put more pressure on anyone they think is withholding info about what happened to Holly.

goldiegirl
06-25-2011, 12:14 AM
There's a show on bio channel right now about girls in California who went missing, with blood being found at the scene of the abductions. Even though the person who abducted Holly is obviously not the same person who took these girls, I thought it might be interesting to watch since the perps have a similar MO. Maybe it could give some insight into the thought processes of Holly's abductor.

Might be interesting. Let us know if you see anything that you think might apply.

MLE
06-25-2011, 12:35 AM
Might be interesting. Let us know if you see anything that you think might apply.

The guy's name was Rex Krebs, if you want to google and read about him. I think Holly's abductor would probably be similar to this guy, actually.

He was a sex offender who spent time in prison for rape, but was eventually unleashed back onto the public and the two women he eventually murdered. He knocked the first one in the head in a public place, tying her up, transporting her in his truck to a cabin, where he raped and murdered her.

The second victim was someone he stalked for a while. Krebs had a rape kit that included binoculars and rope. After multiple occurances of peeping tom type stalking, he eventually broke into her home, beat her unconscious, and transported her in his truck hogtied.

Even though they showd a knife on the TV show, it sounds the blood at the scenes were from hitting the girls with blunt objects and perhaps his fists.

I do think Holly Bobo was probably abducted for sexual motives, just for the simple fact that she's a pretty girl. It sounds like Parsons is a very, very small town, so I imagine the number of females who are young, pretty, and height/weight proportionate would be very low, making her a rare beauty for the town and elevating her risks for something like this, unfortunately.

A perpetrator who would do something like this is obviously somebody totally out of control, very dangerous, and someone who is likely to do this again, in my opinion.

evelyn24
06-25-2011, 12:53 AM
The guy's name was Rex Krebs, if you want to google and read about him. I think Holly's abductor would probably be similar to this guy, actually.

He was a sex offender who spent time in prison for rape, but was eventually unleashed back onto the public and the two women he eventually murdered. He knocked the first one in the head in a public place, tying her up, transporting her in his truck to a cabin, where he raped and murdered her.

The second victim was someone he stalked for a while. Krebs had a rape kit that included binoculars and rope. After multiple occurances of peeping tom type stalking, he eventually broke into her home, beat her unconscious, and transported her in his truck hogtied.

Even though they showd a knife on the TV show, it sounds the blood at the scenes were from hitting the girls with blunt objects and perhaps his fists.

I do think Holly Bobo was probably abducted for sexual motives, just for the simple fact that she's a pretty girl. It sounds like Parsons is a very, very small town, so I imagine the number of females who are young, pretty, and height/weight proportionate would be very low, making her a rare beauty for the town and elevating her risks for something like this, unfortunately.

A perpetrator who would do something like this is obviously somebody totally out of control, very dangerous, and someone who is likely to do this again, in my opinion.

Yes but then how was Holly walked into the woods without alarming her brother something was wrong with her? Blunt force to her face or head enough to cause shedding of blood would definitely leave her staggering. Unless the perp circled back around with Holly and went toward the driveway area and hit her after Clint saw them walking into the woods.

The sequence of events is very bizarre when paired with what evidence we know: the blood by the driveway/carport.

FXSTS
06-25-2011, 01:20 AM
I am glad that the family spoke...I think that was important. Of course, they gave us nothing new. And it wasn't really an "interview," since I'm sure the Bobo's are limited in the answers they can give to the questions we are all wondering about.

I would like to ask:
What was Holly doing in the days and evenings leading up to her disappearance?
Do you know anyone who may have had a reason to be angry with any member of your family?

Anyone care to add some questions for that perfect interview (if we could get one!)?
My question would be," Could we have an official,updated timeline and sequence of events from LE directly and not the interpretation of what somebody thinks was said by LE mixed with various news reports from the first week to make it seem like the reporter actually left their office computer and interviewed somebody involved with the case in some manner?

MLE
06-25-2011, 04:25 AM
Yes but then how was Holly walked into the woods without alarming her brother something was wrong with her? Blunt force to her face or head enough to cause shedding of blood would definitely leave her staggering. Unless the perp circled back around with Holly and went toward the driveway area and hit her after Clint saw them walking into the woods.

The sequence of events is very bizarre when paired with what evidence we know: the blood by the driveway/carport.

It was probably a blitz attack with a blunt object that left her stunned and disoriented. I tend to think it was a blunt object that caused the bleeding instead of a sharp object, because a sharp object would've caused acute pain which would've likely caused a scream or a shout. But a blunt object could've just left her in a stupor as she was being strongarmed and led away.

FXSTS
06-25-2011, 12:07 PM
"The TBI continues to release only limited information about their findings. The reason is to protect the investigation that continues to evolve."



"Anyone out there who has any information, no matter how small you think it is, please, come forward with it and turn that into authorities," Clint said.


Analogy:
PATIENT: " Doctor, I really need your help, the pain is unbearable."


DOCTOR: Where is the pain?


PATIENT: I just can't tell you that, it might compromise the integrity of my
physical well-being


DOCTOR: Can you tell me how and when you experienced the onset of this

pain and if you were doing something at the time that could have

caused it?


PATIENT: No, but anything you can do to help me would be appreciated




DOCTOR::waitasec:

MLE
06-25-2011, 03:41 PM
It could've been similar to what happened to University of Tennessee wide receiver Joey Kent in the game against Florida in 1995. Below is the video of the hit:

YouTube - ‪Big Hit‬‏

I was a Tennessee fan about five rows up on the east sideline, the same sideline as the Tennessee team sideline. My father and I were sitting on the exact same yardline as the one where the hit took place, the 48 yard line. After Kent was hit, he was helped and led to the UT sideline by two trainers, but was walking entirely on his own. I was watching Kent as he was walking to the sideline in my direction and had a good look at his face. It was very apparent he didn't know what planet he was on or what year it was.

I know Kent's hit and Holly's abduction are 100% unrelated. I'm just using this as an example of how someone with a concussion can still walk, especially with some help, but not have a clue about what on Earth is going on.

BeanE
06-25-2011, 04:03 PM
Hear the emotional message from holly bobo's mother tonight at 5 and 6 on @NC5
http://twitpic.com/5gr2og

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/330467920.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1309033118&Signature=6eCdEqWGWwsXDTrUEGEhQZlXCQs%3D

BeanE
06-25-2011, 04:05 PM
Motorcycle ride for Holly Bobo draws more than 100
2:25 PM, Jun. 25, 2011
Jackson Sun

While the Bobo family took to Decatur County woods to search for Bobo, volunteers played instruments, signed up for a silent auction and purchased memorabilia in support of the family.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110625/NEWS01/110625009/Motorcycle-ride-Holly-Bobo-draws-more-than-100?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

BeanE
06-25-2011, 04:23 PM
Ride for Holly Scheduled for Saturday
By ABC 7 Eyewitness News Staff
By abc7news@wbbjtv.com
Story Created: Jun 24, 2011 at 5:10 PM CDT
Story Updated: Jun 24, 2011 at 8:01 PM CDT

Transcription from video:
Dana Bobo: To the abductor, whoever has our daughter, I would like for him to please let her go, and let her come home.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Ride-for-Holly-Scheduled-for-Saturday-124516814.html

SmoothOperator
06-25-2011, 09:02 PM
I wonder if Clint is possibly now having to take meds like an anti-depressant. IMO that would be a pretty normal affect of what's happened and possible that he is being prescribed medication to help deal with the unimaginable..

Of course not having anything to compare his "affect" before Holly's going missing it certainly could be "normal" for Clint's affect to be so flat, expressionless, monotone.. I have seen some have this same affect from certain doses of certain anti depressants. And that is why I ask if possibly Clint could be being medicated in some way to help deal and cope with, as I said previously, this unimaginable nightmare..

Just something I noticed in watching and listening to the video of Clint with mom and dad..

Still praying for Holly..

goldiegirl
06-25-2011, 10:13 PM
BeanE, were you able to watch/listen? Sorry, I don't live in the area, so I don't know if this was radio or TV. I wish I could find it online somewhere. Do you know how it went?

Hear the emotional message from holly bobo's mother tonight at 5 and 6 on @NC5
http://twitpic.com/5gr2og

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/330467920.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1309033118&Signature=6eCdEqWGWwsXDTrUEGEhQZlXCQs%3D

shefner
06-25-2011, 11:00 PM
BeanE, were you able to watch/listen? Sorry, I don't live in the area, so I don't know if this was radio or TV. I wish I could find it online somewhere. Do you know how it went?

I wasn't able to view it either....

BeanE
06-25-2011, 11:26 PM
BeanE, were you able to watch/listen? Sorry, I don't live in the area, so I don't know if this was radio or TV. I wish I could find it online somewhere. Do you know how it went?

It's not posted yet. Here's the website for the news channel.

http://www.newschannel5.com/

Here's a pic of the motorcycle ride they have:

http://wtvf.images.worldnow.com/images/14976850_BG1.jpg

BeanE
06-25-2011, 11:28 PM
WZTV FOX 17
Tonight on FOX 17 news at 9:00, hear what Holly Bobo's mom is saying.. more than two months after her daughters abduction and meet the man behind St. Jude Hospital.
3 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/foxnashville/posts/10150238489337290

This is the website this one will be on:
http://www.fox17.com/

BeanE
06-25-2011, 11:30 PM
WZTV FOX 17
Holly Bobo's Mother thanks everyone who has helped in the search for her daughter.. hear her tearful thanks as she continues her mission to bring her daughter home... tonight on Fox 17 News at 9.
6 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/foxnashville/posts/10150238385252290

BeanE
06-25-2011, 11:31 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/330321697.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1309060043&Signature=LSYHII62aKgQtlkolMdzpQEDUhc%3D

@WSMVCodyEngdahl
Cody C. Engdahl
Ride for #Hollybobo in Parsons today twitpic.com/5gnxup
http://twitter.com/#!/WSMVCodyEngdahl/statuses/84626176634658816

BeanE
06-25-2011, 11:44 PM
Mother of Holly Bobo gives statement to the press

Jackson Sun - 3:32 PM, Jun. 25, 2011

snippets

Karen Bobo thanked volunteers who showed up today and those who have been working to find her daughter since day one of the search. She also spoke out to her daughter's captor.

"To whoever has our daughter, I'm asking you to please do the right thing and let her come home," Karen Bobo said.

She and other family members had been searching for evidence of Holly Bobo throughout the morning about 10 miles west of the Decatur County Middle School

"I've been pastoring 52 years, and I've never seen a family that's gone through this level of anxiety, suffering and pain," Franks said.

"She's having a tough time," he said.

Look for the full story in print and online Sunday.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110625/NEWS01/110625010/Mother-Holly-Bobo-gives-statement-press?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

BeanE
06-26-2011, 01:11 AM
About a minute and a half in on the video on this page starts the clips of Karen's message:

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14976850/more-than-100-bikers-ride-for-holly-bobo

BeanE
06-26-2011, 01:18 AM
Here's WBBJ's. This one is longer

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Bobo-Benefit-Ride-124546349.html

Mr. Noatak
06-26-2011, 01:27 AM
About a minute and a half in on the video on this page starts the clips of Karen's message:

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14976850/more-than-100-bikers-ride-for-holly-bobo

My opinions only, no facts here:

I confess that I really doubt that Law Enforcement reads my or any other posts. There are a zillion theories online, and some of them are correct, but which ones? How can you tell?

But I repeat, re-looking north of the abduction site near the junction of 5 Forks and Swan Johnson Road is not a total waste. It is not my absolute favorite area, but that is all I can offer up on websleuths and abide by the rules. I have no inside information. This represents complete speculation from an outsider.

BeanE
06-26-2011, 01:27 AM
And WKRN's

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14976863/bobo

God bless this family. What they've been going through is so heartbreaking.

The thoughts of them out in the woods till the wee hours of the morning looking for any little scrap of anything that might lead them to their daughter is just heartwrenching.

ETA: If I find any more videos, I'll be posting them on my article/video collection page for Holly here:
http://www.diigo.com/list/casesignal/holly-bobo-_-news-articles-videos

froginTtown
06-26-2011, 08:37 AM
Thanks for keeping up on Holly's case BeanE..... :)
Do you know when the last vigil was for Holly..??? TIA...

BeanE
06-26-2011, 10:32 AM
Thanks for keeping up on Holly's case BeanE..... :)
Do you know when the last vigil was for Holly..??? TIA...

I usually only track the events where there is info that may be case-related in the articles/videos, because I think the Facebook pages in these cases do a great job of tracking and publicizing the events.

If you take a peek at Holly's tweet archive, that's probably the fastest way to see when the last vigil was. They may even have held a vigil after the bike rally yesterday - I just don't recall seeing it (mind going blank atm lol).

cluciano63
06-26-2011, 01:09 PM
Here's WBBJ's. This one is longer

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Bobo-Benefit-Ride-124546349.html

Wonder why this is still being referred to as the "alleged abduction"? What else could it be?

Patience
06-26-2011, 02:17 PM
I have been reading up on Dr. Giovanni Palumbo who has been stalking Country Star Shania Twain. This Dr. is from Ottawa and he put his car in a trailer and drove approx. 9 hours to Timmins (Shania's hometown) to stalk her. He also showed up to the Country awards show where he was arrested. Shania did not show up for court on April 1st so he was aquitted of stalking her. You can google him and find lots of info. Anyway, I can't find out the exact date he was released in Toronto (April 1st?, April 13th?, April 15th?, still looking into that. I don't know if someone here can find a proper link to date of release.

This Dr. is scary, could he of had time to put his car into a trailer, drive to Tennessee and grabbed Holly? Far fetched but possible? If he drove with trailer 9 hours north then he could drive his trailer south also. He has stalking behaviour with Shania so could he also have a thing for Whitney Duncan? Could he have met Holly thru some medical means at a hosital in Tennessee? He has a specialty which he is apparently very good at and known for.

I dunno, sorry for the rambling. Here is one article on him.

Dr. Giovanni Palumbo
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SQc0c1c_KTEJ:todayscountryonline.bl ogspot.com/2011/04/shania-twain-stalker-arrested-at-juno.html+websleuths+holly+bobo+Dr.+Giovanni+Palum bo&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca

The man was Dr. Giovanni Palumbo, a 50-year-old Ottawa doctor, who had been accused of stalking the Canadian superstar, and has been under court order to stay 500 metres away from her.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=Dr.+Giovanni+Palumbo&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=&redir_esc=&ei=jHcHTqqgOIbW0QGK1JT7Cg

OldSteve
06-26-2011, 03:04 PM
Sniped to save space:
I have been reading up on Dr. Giovanni Palumbo who has been stalking Country Star Shania Twain...........

Thanks for this info!
Since Shania has dark air, versus Holly being blonde, I wonder if that would make a difference? Whether it does or doesn't, I believe your overall point is to show the lengths a twisted mind will go to in pursuing someone, as well as wondering if the association of Holly with her cousin factors into Holly's case.

cluciano63
06-26-2011, 04:16 PM
Sniped to save space:


Thanks for this info!
Since Shania has dark air, versus Holly being blonde, I wonder if that would make a difference? Whether it does or doesn't, I believe your overall point is to show the lengths a twisted mind will go to in pursuing someone, as well as wondering if the association of Holly with her cousin factors into Holly's case.

Most (not all of course) stalkers chose their victim specifically...not someone who resembles them or someone in the same field...it is usually pretty personal, at least in their minds...if Holly had a stalker, I'd guess it one of her own. Especially since there hasn't been (apparently) any ransom demand, which might happen if this was celebrity-related.

jashrema
06-26-2011, 08:12 PM
Interesting article regarding sex trafficking in Tennessee

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/may/19/sex-trafficking-common-in-tenn/

jashrema
06-26-2011, 08:42 PM
I know everyone is please that the family "gave another statement or plea" and that is all well and good. I have brought this up before, but I would still like to know..AT THIS TIME...a CONFIRMATION from TBI of who the last person was to see Holly besides Clint and what time that was. The whole timeline is up for grabs if you ask me. I rewatched the Geraldo interview with people and Mark Fuhrman and it was CONFIRMED by TBI that the dogs did NOT scent at the treeline and the "pool of blood" was actually "Trace" evidence. Trace evidence to me means a minute amount of something, barely noticeable. And it HAS been confirmed by TBI that they know whose trace blood it is but they are not releasing that. I'm really wondering if this "trace" blood in the carport has absolutely nothing to do with the case.
If they know whose it is, that means it's either Holly's or obviously somone known to them that they have identified. I'm still really torn about this whole case. I am NOT accusing anyone, Clint, ex boyfriends, etc. but I really wish they would at least release the above info...I know, I know, in the infamous words of Mick Jagger...you can't always get what you want!

jashrema
06-26-2011, 08:44 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4661350


link to the Mark Furhman/Geraldo/John Walsh interview for those who want to see it again.

shefner
06-26-2011, 09:52 PM
This whole case has been bizarre from the start. It was first called a "home invasion," which I have rarely heard in crime speak, unless it is to mean the home itself was invaded by a perp or perps. We heard that Holly was "dragged" away and I really find it hard to believe that someone would confuse the word "dragged" with the words "walk," "went willingly," or "was led." That use of wording, in the first day of this crime, had to be intentional.

So let's see: "Home invasion" became "kidnap" and then an "alleged abduction." "Dragged" became "led" and then became "went willingly." The perp went from "the boyfriend" to "an unknown person" of varying heights and weights.
We still have no 911 calls. NO 911 calls. Why not? What would it hurt to release those calls to the public? This is very common procedure....let us hear the calls. We can't even verify who made the calls.

PlainJaneDoe
06-26-2011, 10:27 PM
:offtopic: But could someone please explain what constitutes a home invasion, for example as opposed to someone just breaking in and robbing?

cluciano63
06-26-2011, 11:15 PM
:offtopic: But could someone please explain what constitutes a home invasion, for example as opposed to someone just breaking in and robbing?

Home invasion generally means people actually busting into your home, while the occupants are there, vs. the idea of the burglar who sneaks in while you are at work or on vacation, usually looking for empty houses. We had a string of them here in ABQ a few years ago, very terrifying, when you would answer your doorbell, two or more men would push their way into the home with weapons drawn. In one case, a couple was murdered by what pretended to be magazine salemen. I have had nightmares about this type of crime, I can't imagine many things scarier.

bessie
06-27-2011, 02:53 AM
Snipping and bumping this from the OP


It's fine to discuss the brother and anyone mentioned in the media and tied to this case. Its not ok to talk about him or anyone as a suspect or POI. No one has been named as such.

Carla Lashelle
06-27-2011, 08:41 AM
I am really glad the family came forward. Im not sure why it took two months, but their statements seem to have generated a whole lot of new interest in the case, at least in the public eye. I see more notice on both the bloggy spots like Gather but also on local TN affiliates again. It can't hurt to stir peoples memories.

I am pleased to know too that the family has so much community support. These aren't dumb people up there. Its a fairly close knit community and the Bobo's friends and neighbors and community have really kept up the support despite a seeming lack of progress and various criticisms.

docwho3
06-28-2011, 05:21 PM
From what I have read there has always been media and interest in
the case at the local level.
It just seems that the national media has not shown that same interest
and that level of media would need to play the case on the air for it to
reach me on TV in a totally different state. Maybe that is why, to me,
it seemed at first that this case was going silent.

I am happy to see that local interest in solving the case is still going
strong. I hope they get good answers to their questions.

If anyone knows of something that might really help find out what
happened to Holly I urge them to tip LE sooner rather than later.

Oriah
06-28-2011, 05:44 PM
from what i have read there has always been media and interest in
the case at the local level.
It just seems that the national media has not shown that same interest
and that level of media would need to play the case on the air for it to
reach me on tv in a totally different state. Maybe that is why, to me,
it seemed at first that this case was going silent.

I am happy to see that local interest in solving the case is still going
strong. I hope they get good answers to their questions.

if anyone knows of something that might really help find out what
happened to holly i urge them to tip le sooner rather than later.

bbm: Yes!!!!

Eileen730
06-28-2011, 09:45 PM
:offtopic: But could someone please explain what constitutes a home invasion, for example as opposed to someone just breaking in and robbing?

I thought a home invasion was when they had ppl hostage inside the home.
breaking in they just take things and leave.

I dont think this is either! JMO

goldiegirl
06-29-2011, 01:41 AM
From what I have read there has always been media and interest in
the case at the local level.
It just seems that the national media has not shown that same interest
and that level of media would need to play the case on the air for it to
reach me on TV in a totally different state. Maybe that is why, to me,
it seemed at first that this case was going silent.

I am happy to see that local interest in solving the case is still going
strong. I hope they get good answers to their questions.

If anyone knows of something that might really help find out what
happened to Holly I urge them to tip LE sooner rather than later.

That's great to hear that local interest hasn't died! The thing that confused me, though, was the canceled BTH segment when they were supposed to talk about Holly but announced that they had to cancel the segment for reasons they couldn't discuss. I feel like it's a little more than a loss of interest at the national level and that there was some reason for the silence. Either way, glad to know the family has spoken out and that coverage is picking up again.

BeanE
06-29-2011, 07:54 AM
Spierer disappearance has similarities to Tenn. case

Updated: Jun 28, 2011 10:59 PM EDT

http://www.wthr.com/story/14994158/spierer-disappearance-has-similarities-to-tenn-case

OldSteve
06-29-2011, 11:49 AM
Spierer disappearance has similarities to Tenn. case

Updated: Jun 28, 2011 10:59 PM EDT

http://www.wthr.com/story/14994158/spierer-disappearance-has-similarities-to-tenn-case

Thanks for this find!

Though they are similar in age and stature, both blonde and students - there are big differences.

First, are we even sure LS met with foul-play, IIRC as
cluciano63 pointed out, LS may have simply fallen into one of the open construction projects and been covered up the next morning...

I feel HB was more targeted - her abductor wanted her.
If LS, if taken by a stalker, seems spur-of-the-moment, opportunity.

LS was entangles with a number of "friends" around her that night.
HB was simply leaving her home to go to school.

If it's said that both happened in the morning hours, that's an apples-to-oranges comparison since HB was just leaving for school when it was light out and IWT had her wits about her.
LS was out late at night partying, drinking, drugs?, and then out alone in the dark.

Okay, can't resist making the wisecrack - where these two case are similar is that LE seems stymied...

ETA: 10 POI'S for LS, 0? for HB

Frogzilla
06-29-2011, 01:01 PM
Thanks for this find!

Though they are similar in age and stature, both blonde and students - there are big differences.

First, are we even sure LS met with foul-play, IIRC as
cluciano63 pointed out, LS may have simply fallen into one of the open construction projects and been covered up the next morning...

I feel HB was more targeted - her abductor wanted her.
If LS, if taken by a stalker, seems spur-of-the-moment, opportunity.

LS was entangles with a number of "friends" around her that night.
HB was simply leaving her home to go to school.

If it's said that both happened in the morning hours, that's an apples-to-oranges comparison since HB was just leaving for school when it was light out and IWT had her wits about her.
LS was out late at night partying, drinking, drugs?, and then out alone in the dark.

Okay, can't resist making the wisecrack - where these two case are similar is that LE seems stymied...

ETA: 10 POI'S for LS, 0? for HB
Agree 100% I posted a similar line of thought on the Lauren Spierer thread.
Also, nice "wisecrack", I was racking my brain trying to find more similarities.
More differences-
Rural TN vs. city around large college campus(Bloomington, IN)
TBI silent vs. BPD talkative
HB witnessed by brother being "led"? toward the tree line
Fake SAR team in HB case

shefner
06-29-2011, 01:10 PM
I think the differences in these two cases are remarkable....nothing similar except they are similar in age and appearance.

Frogzilla
06-30-2011, 02:41 AM
I think the differences in these two cases are remarkable....nothing similar except they are similar in age and appearance.
I guess another similarity would be the large rewards offered in both cases, and that took me awhile to figure out....

BeanE
06-30-2011, 06:30 AM
They're both female. Did we put that on the similarity list? :floorlaugh:

shefner
06-30-2011, 10:13 AM
They're both female. Did we put that on the similarity list? :floorlaugh:

LOL! Yes, good point.

docwho3
07-01-2011, 03:03 PM
Still wondering about the effective range of an ATV from where Holly
was abducted.

I also wonder about any thefts that might have occurred in the area.
I am sort of wondering about thefts that might have been the possible
result of people on ATVs, that sort of thing.

53chevygirl
07-01-2011, 03:10 PM
Holly... Beautiful Girl.... where are you!?!

cocomod
07-01-2011, 03:13 PM
Another article by Isabelle to dispute the differences
Law enforcement officials say they don't believe there's any connection between two missing women's cases
snip


Late Tuesday Bloomington police told Eyewitness News that they are aware of the similarities but that they don’t think there’s any connection at this time.

Asked in an email Thursday if the lead agency in Holly's case, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation (TBI) believes there's any connection between the two cases, TBI spokeswoman Kristin Helm said, “No. Our agents have been in touch with Indiana authorities and they have no reason to believe they are related.”


http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-lauren-spierer-missing-officials-don-t-believe-cases-are-connected

OldSteve
07-01-2011, 09:31 PM
Another article by Isabelle to dispute the differences

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-lauren-spierer-missing-officials-don-t-believe-cases-are-connected

Still, it would not surprise me if it turned out they are related. Actually, allot of things won't surprise me at this point!

goldiegirl
07-02-2011, 10:17 PM
It's so sad to see this going nowhere. I log on every day to check Holly's thread. For some reason, this case has captivated me like none of the others that I follow. Maybe it's because I'm only a few years apart in age from Holly, maybe it's because I grew up in an area that looked similar to her small town... I have no idea what it is, but I'll think about her all the time until this is solved and long after.

shefner
07-02-2011, 11:40 PM
It's so sad to see this going nowhere. I log on every day to check Holly's thread. For some reason, this case has captivated me like none of the others that I follow. Maybe it's because I'm only a few years apart in age from Holly, maybe it's because I grew up in an area that looked similar to her small town... I have no idea what it is, but I'll think about her all the time until this is solved and long after.

I know what you mean , Goldie...I was so hopeful this case would long ago be resolved. I don't understand what went wrong.

iluvmua
07-03-2011, 04:57 PM
This case really is a mystery......

What happened to Holly after she was led into the woods????

That is the biggest piece of the puzzle right here.

wfgodot
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
They weren't really "good old days" - after all, a 19-year-old young woman was missing and assumed kidnapped - but I do remember an earlier time in this case when it seemed like publicity and top of the fold headlines were almost guaranteed until it was solved: a pretty blonde nursing student taken by force; her cousin - a pretty blonde country music singer - leading the call for justice; the case going nationwide with its appearance on TV; and a whole region mobilized in a ground search for the missing girl.

At one point a debate almost broke out on one of the Holly threads about some crime victims unfairly getting less attention and devotion in media than those victims deemed to have more viewer appeal.

Well, those days are gone.

Sorting out what went wrong won't bring Holly back, but it might provide an object-lesson for law enforcement
in how to handle similar cases in the future. For whatever reason, resources were not governed wisely here.

mountainguy777
07-03-2011, 07:00 PM
:twocents:This case really is a mystery......

What happened to Holly after she was led into the woods????

That is the biggest piece of the puzzle right here.


I don't think she ever made it into the woods. Like fuhrman said, the dogs scent stopped at the entrance to the woods.

shefner
07-03-2011, 08:34 PM
If Holly never made it into the woods, then I wonder why the perp would take her in that direction. There would be no purpose to drag or lead her towards that area. If she never went into the woods, then why would her brother state that is where the perp took her?
So many unanswered questions....

MLE
07-03-2011, 08:49 PM
Maybe he picked her up and carried her (picture a soldier carrying a wounded comrade) once they made it to the woods. Or perhaps the vegetation was sparse enough to drive an ATV.

goldiegirl
07-03-2011, 09:24 PM
I don't know the layout of her street, but isn't it possible that he parked a car/atv/whatever it was off to the side of the house, and this is why they were walking toward the woods? He had to have had a vehicle somewhere, IMO. At first it seemed like this was some sort of Elizabeth Smart-like case with a creep who took her into the woods and set up camp, but I don't really believe that anymore.

I think a vehicle was hidden somewhere behind the house but off to the side or something like that. In order to get to the vehicle, he'd have to lead her behind the house (toward the woods), and that's probably as much as Clint saw. Since he initially said he didn't think anything of it and thought it was DS (this part wasn't included in the later versions, but I'm going off of the initial one for this idea), he probably didn't watch them the whole time they were walking; he probably just glanced out, saw them walking, and turned away. He might have seen them walking TOWARD the woods, but maybe after he stopped watching they veered off in another direction after getting to the tree line. Just a possibility.

If Holly never made it into the woods, then I wonder why the perp would take her in that direction. There would be no purpose to drag or lead her towards that area. If she never went into the woods, then why would her brother state that is where the perp took her?
So many unanswered questions....

Oriah
07-04-2011, 05:21 AM
:twocents:


I don't think she ever made it into the woods. Like fuhrman said, the dogs scent stopped at the entrance to the woods.

Just wanted to pop in here with a few thoughts regarding SAR dogs. (Using your post, mountainguy777 as a jumping point, not to disagree.)

I'm a bit confused by the tracking/trailing situation- or possibly the reporting of- Holly's scent 'stopping' at the woodline.

If Holly were lead in a different direction at the woodline, a properly trained dog would do a roundabout and continue to follow the scent, no matter the direction it took.

If placed in a vehicle at the woodline, then it would be much more difficult to pick up a scent after that point (assuming the vehicle traveled, and the individual was picked up and placed in the vehicle to begin with.)

Either way, it seems to me that a tracking or trailing dog should alert when they lost scent and backtrack the initial path of the missing person...

Did the dog(s) trailing Holly's scent stop at the woodline- and then return to the car?

goldiegirl
07-04-2011, 06:08 AM
Just wanted to pop in here with a few thoughts regarding SAR dogs. (Using your post, mountainguy777 as a jumping point, not to disagree.)

I'm a bit confused by the tracking/trailing situation- or possibly the reporting of- Holly's scent 'stopping' at the woodline.

If Holly were lead in a different direction at the woodline, a properly trained dog would do a roundabout and continue to follow the scent, no matter the direction it took.

If placed in a vehicle at the woodline, then it would be much more difficult to pick up a scent after that point (assuming the vehicle traveled, and the individual was picked up and placed in the vehicle to begin with.)

Either way, it seems to me that a tracking or trailing dog should alert when they lost scent and backtrack the initial path of the missing person...

Did the dog(s) trailing Holly's scent stop at the woodline- and then return to the car?

Wow, what was I thinking about the dogs not going off to the side like I suggested? I didn't even take the dogs into consideration when I wrote my possible scenario. Obviously, you are correct. The dog would not stop at the woodline rather than go off to the side (as if the beginning of the woods would mean anything to the dog, haha). Well, there goes that.

I guess the only way the theory I suggested could have still been possible would be if the dogs weren't properly trained or if someone did carry her beyond a certain point. I guess, taking the dogs out of the picture, it made a lot more sense to me for her to have been led TOWARD the woods and into a vehicle/house/whatever rather than into the woods, so that's where I was coming from with that.

BeanE
07-04-2011, 06:12 AM
Just wanted to pop in here with a few thoughts regarding SAR dogs. (Using your post, mountainguy777 as a jumping point, not to disagree.)

I'm a bit confused by the tracking/trailing situation- or possibly the reporting of- Holly's scent 'stopping' at the woodline.

If Holly were lead in a different direction at the woodline, a properly trained dog would do a roundabout and continue to follow the scent, no matter the direction it took.

If placed in a vehicle at the woodline, then it would be much more difficult to pick up a scent after that point (assuming the vehicle traveled, and the individual was picked up and placed in the vehicle to begin with.)

Either way, it seems to me that a tracking or trailing dog should alert when they lost scent and backtrack the initial path of the missing person...

Did the dog(s) trailing Holly's scent stop at the woodline- and then return to the car?

Hi, Oriah! :grouphug:

The information comes from only one source, and this teeny bit of info is all that's available about it:

Video – Frustration Mounts in Search for Holly Bobo
Fox News Geraldo at Large – Apr 25, 2011- 10:40am

Case Signal Transcriptions:

- Mark Furman @ 7:14: “I called Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. I actually talked to a dispatcher. I talked to somebody in the Sheriff’s department.”

- Mark Furman @ 8:39: “When I called Tennessee, I also found out that the dogs did not scent anything in that treeline where they supposedly entered.”

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4661350/frustration-mounts-in-search-for-holly-bobo

As you can see, it's unclear who exactly he got the info from. It may have only been a dispatcher, and we don't know who at the Sheriff's dept he talked to - could have been a secretary or a janitor. We don't even know when he says he "called TN" if he's referring to either of those agencies.

Oriah
07-04-2011, 12:26 PM
Hi, Oriah! :grouphug:

The information comes from only one source, and this teeny bit of info is all that's available about it:

Video – Frustration Mounts in Search for Holly Bobo
Fox News Geraldo at Large – Apr 25, 2011- 10:40am

Case Signal Transcriptions:

- Mark Furman @ 7:14: “I called Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. I actually talked to a dispatcher. I talked to somebody in the Sheriff’s department.”

- Mark Furman @ 8:39: “When I called Tennessee, I also found out that the dogs did not scent anything in that treeline where they supposedly entered.”

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4661350/frustration-mounts-in-search-for-holly-bobo

As you can see, it's unclear who exactly he got the info from. It may have only been a dispatcher, and we don't know who at the Sheriff's dept he talked to - could have been a secretary or a janitor. We don't even know when he says he "called TN" if he's referring to either of those agencies.


Thanks, BeanE. It seems like so many of the cases we've been seeing have questionable reporting of evidence found/ or not found by SAR- dogs especially.

The timeline for the report on Holly's disappearance, and the 911 calls- mother returning home, etc- fortunately fall within a very vital time frame for tracking/trailing dogs.

But I can't understand how dogs brought in during that time frame would simply 'lose scent' in such an environment described during Holly's abduction. Does that make any sense?

What piece is missing from this puzzle??

docwho3
07-04-2011, 02:44 PM
I have heard of dogs losing scent at the point a person enters a vehicle.
LE had released that the were looking for any info such as an ATV
being reported stolen and so forth so I am thinking they believe she may
have been taken that way.

An ATV not being enclosed but still able to move fast enough so that not
much scent particles were left behind might be the reason for scent loss.
I have no real knowledge in this area other than stuff I have read so this
is all a guess.

MLE
07-04-2011, 06:04 PM
Is there a map that shows where the scent stopped and where the scream is thought to have occurred?

iluvmua
07-04-2011, 06:10 PM
I have heard of dogs losing scent at the point a person enters a vehicle.
LE had released that the were looking for any info such as an ATV
being reported stolen and so forth so I am thinking they believe she may
have been taken that way.

An ATV not being enclosed but still able to move fast enough so that not
much scent particles were left behind might be the reason for scent loss.
I have no real knowledge in this area other than stuff I have read so this
is all a guess.

I believe that there was most likely a Car/Truck/SUV/Van waiting on the side of the road. Once Holly was subdued, they were off and running.

They would not get very far on an ATV.

MLE
07-04-2011, 07:46 PM
I believe that there was most likely a Car/Truck/SUV/Van waiting on the side of the road. Once Holly was subdued, they were off and running.

They would not get very far on an ATV.

But it seems plausible that an ATV could've been used as a transportation device between the edge of the woods and the truck, especially if she was heard screaming a considerable distance from the edge of the woods. I doubt she was inside a car or truck when she was heard screaming.

TxLady2
07-04-2011, 09:15 PM
Maybe he picked her up and carried her (picture a soldier carrying a wounded comrade) once they made it to the woods. Or perhaps the vegetation was sparse enough to drive an ATV.

Even if he picked her up and carried her, or put her on an ATV, her scent would still have been in the air enough for the dogs to keep tracking her scent, I think. Just guessing, of course. I know it's the skin particles that give off the scent, so not being on the ground walking would not make that much of a difference, IMO.
It's just puzzling that the trail stopped at the tree line. It had to go somewhere, she didn't just evaporate.

shefner
07-04-2011, 11:14 PM
Even if he picked her up and carried her, or put her on an ATV, her scent would still have been in the air enough for the dogs to keep tracking her scent, I think. Just guessing, of course. I know it's the skin particles that give off the scent, so not being on the ground walking would not make that much of a difference, IMO.
It's just puzzling that the trail stopped at the tree line. It had to go somewhere, she didn't just evaporate.

This is what I was thinking also. What happened at the treeline?

Silkprint
07-05-2011, 03:29 AM
I don't see anything about poor Holly on the news here in Mass at all anywmore .
Actually ANYWHERE ..except here .
I would think that these dogs are used to tracking through the heavy woods there .
If they lost her scent at the treeline then she never entered those woods .

Oriah
07-05-2011, 06:36 AM
I don't see anything about poor Holly on the news here in Mass at all anywmore .
Actually ANYWHERE ..except here .
I would think that these dogs are used to tracking through the heavy woods there .
If they lost her scent at the treeline then she never entered those woods .


BBM: I 100% agree, Silkprint. Unless they were improperly trained dogs, or the reporting of last seen is incorrect?

Why would the dog(s) used not return to the carport if scent stopped at the tree line, and Holly was witnessed walking towards the woods??

This makes no sense to me. None.

BeanE
07-05-2011, 07:07 AM
I don't see anything about poor Holly on the news here in Mass at all anywmore .
Actually ANYWHERE ..except here .
I would think that these dogs are used to tracking through the heavy woods there .
If they lost her scent at the treeline then she never entered those woods .


BBM: I 100% agree, Silkprint. Unless they were improperly trained dogs, or the reporting of last seen is incorrect?

Why would the dog(s) used not return to the carport if scent stopped at the tree line, and Holly was witnessed walking towards the woods??

This makes no sense to me. None.

Or, since we've heard this from one and only one person, who's not involved in the case, and wasn't even there, and we don't know where he got the info, maybe it's not true that the dogs stopped at the treeline.

Don't get me wrong - I like Mark Furman. I'm just not sure of his source on this, and no one else has stated it.

Oriah
07-05-2011, 07:31 AM
[quote=Oriah;6849890]

Or, since we've heard this from one and only one person, who's not involved in the case, and wasn't even there, and we don't know where he got the info, maybe it's not true that the dogs stopped at the treeline.

Don't get me wrong - I like Mark Furman. I'm just not sure of his source on this, and no one else has stated it.

I agree, BeanE.

Perhaps LE could clarify this for us- because otherwise, I think it is a gaping hole in what happened the morning Holly disappeared.

Carla Lashelle
07-05-2011, 07:52 AM
Is there a map that shows where the scent stopped and where the scream is thought to have occurred?

No it has never really been disclosed where they were seen entering the woods. Reports vary or are vague. Since woods surround the house on all sides it makes it difficult to even guess. Depending on the direction they were going the woods can be a few yards to maybe 50 yards from the house itself.

Based on what LE has said about car tires, ATV tires, etc. I assume they think the kidnapper had a vehicle parked in the woods/by the woods/in the tree line/on a trail behind the treeline, etc. It could even be on the main road at the end of the long driveway and no one would see it from the house.

BeanE
07-05-2011, 08:14 AM
Agreed, Carla.

If you go in this video and stop it at 2:28, you'll be facing the back yard, same as Clint was. Looking in any direction, there are woods, and not only woods, but look at all those little roads.

We know Clint saw Holly and the abductor going "across the carport", "towards the woods" or "into the woods", but we don't know which direction. Hardly matters, because no matter where you look, there are woods - and those troubling little access roads.

YouTube - ‪Criminal Profiler Pat Brown discusses missing girl Holly Bobo on MSNBC Live‬‏

There's another video in which a reporter asks Gwyn from TBI if there are access roads through there where a vehicle could have been waiting, and Gwyn says yes. Wish I could remember exactly what he said, and seeing his body language/hearing his voice, he was very emphatic, and that's when I became sure Holly was pretty immediately put in a vehicle and taken away that way.

I'll try to find this video in a bit. I want to see if anything happens when they bring the jury in for the Anthony trial this morning. Then I'll look for the Gwyn video.

Oriah
07-05-2011, 09:08 AM
Respectfully snipped from BeanE:

<We know Clint saw Holly and the abductor going "across the carport", "towards the woods" or "into the woods", but we don't know which direction. Hardly matters, because no matter where you look, there are woods - and those troubling little access roads.>

I understand what you're saying, Bean- but it does matter when factoring in the dog's losing scent factor. Kwim? If it is both true that Holly was last seen entering the woods somewhere- and that tracking or trailing dogs lost scent at the woodline....then the exact coordinates of where they specifically lost scent would give an indication of what route may have been traveled by a vehicle- and what size vehicle.

If the dogs just lost scent, and didn't double back to the carport- I am skeptical of either the reporting of the 'woods' location... and/or the training of the dogs- because if both ARE true...then the direction of travel should have been relatively easy to predict (N/S/E/W)

Does that make any sense? Or am I confusing again?!

shefner
07-05-2011, 09:22 AM
We have heard that Holly's dad is searching those woods daily.....so that leads me to think that her family believes she was taken into the woods.

I really wish we had more details about the days leading up to Holly's disappearance...and more details about the hours just after. Mostly, I want to hear those 911 tapes.

Oriah
07-05-2011, 12:20 PM
We have heard that Holly's dad is searching those woods daily.....so that leads me to think that her family believes she was taken into the woods.

I really wish we had more details about the days leading up to Holly's disappearance...and more details about the hours just after. Mostly, I want to hear those 911 tapes.

I'd like to know the exact coordinates as to where the dog(s) lost scent in/at the woods.

BeanE
07-05-2011, 12:45 PM
Respectfully snipped from BeanE:

<We know Clint saw Holly and the abductor going "across the carport", "towards the woods" or "into the woods", but we don't know which direction. Hardly matters, because no matter where you look, there are woods - and those troubling little access roads.>

I understand what you're saying, Bean- but it does matter when factoring in the dog's losing scent factor. Kwim? If it is both true that Holly was last seen entering the woods somewhere- and that tracking or trailing dogs lost scent at the woodline....then the exact coordinates of where they specifically lost scent would give an indication of what route may have been traveled by a vehicle- and what size vehicle.

If the dogs just lost scent, and didn't double back to the carport- I am skeptical of either the reporting of the 'woods' location... and/or the training of the dogs- because if both ARE true...then the direction of travel should have been relatively easy to predict (N/S/E/W)

Does that make any sense? Or am I confusing again?!

Oh I agree, Oriah. What I meant was that there's so much woods all around, it's hard to point to an area and say - there's the spot. I was just trying to exemplify with the video what Carla was saying.

Oriah
07-05-2011, 01:12 PM
Oh I agree, Oriah. What I meant was that there's so much woods all around, it's hard to point to an area and say - there's the spot. I was just trying to exemplify with the video what Carla was saying.

I completely understand, Bean.
It is certainly a very heavily wooded area with both animal and vehicle trails running through.

My question is more to the access point than anything else, if that makes any sense? If the dog(s) tracked Holly to the 'edge' of the woods (or wherever) then where was that exact location?

Knox
07-05-2011, 01:31 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/crime/2011/06/23/dnt.holly.bobo.parents.speak.WBBJ.html

Clint & Family Speak.

Frogzilla
07-05-2011, 04:20 PM
Almost three months later, it's nice to see there are still discussions about details of the day HB was abducted, but on that same note it is very unfortunate that we still have to examine every little detail to see if there is even a shred of truth to each aspect. IMO the authorities must have a good idea of what happened that morning/who may be involved to continue on with the course they have maintained and are just waiting for that "one clue" to tie it all together. The hush-hush nature of this case is perplexing, from the disinformation given and the obvious attempts to answer questions in a way that only raises more questions, it certainly makes this case seem even more complex than it probably is.
I came across this article awhile back and it is called- Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Michael Sweeney) http://restoredusa.blogspot.com/2010/12/25-rules-of-disinformation.html
I could not find the original source, so I linked to a blog that has posted the article.
Excerpts from article-
"3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations.
Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well.
This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'."
"12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues."

mountainguy777
07-05-2011, 08:35 PM
Release the 911 tapes. Tell everyone what you know. Give people a chance in that area to help. It's been way to long to play the "giving too much may ruin the investigation" card. JMO!

FXSTS
07-05-2011, 09:08 PM
I find it hard to discuss a lot of things about this case because I simply do not believe the information or "time line" that has been given to the public.
I believe that so much was withheld from the start that they had to pretty much fabricate a time line. Someone thought that this was the right thing to do at the time. If this is the case, it would be extremely difficult to say, " We really botched this up, here's what really happened that morning...." Just a thought but nothing we've been told about that morning makes any sense to me.

And I agree that after almost 3 months it would be hard to "compromise the integrity of an investigation that has not yet produced Holly or the perp.:twocents:

shefner
07-05-2011, 09:37 PM
I find it hard to discuss a lot of things about this case because I simply do not believe the information or "time line" that has been given to the public.
I believe that so much was withheld from the start that they had to pretty much fabricate a time line. Someone thought that this was the right thing to do at the time. If this is the case, it would be extremely difficult to say, " We really botched this up, here's what really happened that morning...." Just a thought but nothing we've been told about that morning makes any sense to me.

And I agree that after almost 3 months it would be hard to "compromise the integrity of an investigation that has not yet produced Holly or the perp.:twocents:

I don't know if I agree with everything you have said here but, like you, I have lots of questions about what happened the morning Holly disappeared. There has to be something wrong with the information we have been given, or LE would not be hesitant to release the 911 calls, which is fairly standard in most criminal cases now. What is it in those calls that prevent them from being released to the public? Is it the timing of the calls that would throw off the timeline given? Is it the tone of the caller/s? Is it the specific names of the initial person suspected? What is it....I don't get it!

Frogzilla
07-06-2011, 01:31 AM
I don't know if I agree with everything you have said here but, like you, I have lots of questions about what happened the morning Holly disappeared. There has to be something wrong with the information we have been given, or LE would not be hesitant to release the 911 calls, which is fairly standard in most criminal cases now. What is it in those calls that prevent them from being released to the public? Is it the timing of the calls that would throw off the timeline given? Is it the tone of the caller/s? Is it the specific names of the initial person suspected? What is it....I don't get it!
Yes I agree with this post, I have felt since the beginning there were elements of deception at play, starting with the very first reports of this story. This is all in no particular order. The story was quickly changing from the mother and brother watching HB be dragged across the carport by a man in camo, to only the brother catching a glimpse of HB and who he thought to be her boyfriend walking toward the woods. We were given the led into the woods in fear of her life statement and also a story about a possible home invasion. Also dogs losing scents, flecks or a pool of blood, a phantom scream, possibly someone excessively cleaning or selling an atv or car/truck/suv and an eerie silence by the family/LE/locals. The media has to get their information from somewhere, and even though some reports were flat out bad reporting, they still had to get the story from official sources, right?

Oriah
07-06-2011, 09:26 AM
I agree- something is off. I wonder what exactly?

Anyway, been looking at maps of the (visable) trails all around the Bobo property- and Natchez Trace state park just for good measure...
And randomly a thought popped into my head. There appears to be a lot of horseback trails, as well as atv trails, walking trails, and animal trails.

Does anyone know if there are signs designating which are which? (Horses Only, 4-Wheelers Only, etc?)

shefner
07-06-2011, 09:36 AM
I wonder why TE was never contacted to help in this search. As Oriah stated above, if horses are used as a means of getting through these trails, it seems logical to ask TE to help search. TE will only come if its requested by LE...and we know LE hasn't asked for much help from anyone.
Something about this case does not make sense to me at all...something is off. Not really sure what to make of it.
I hope Holly is alive somewhere. I just pray she is found either way.

kas227
07-06-2011, 09:58 AM
I agree- something is off. I wonder what exactly?

Anyway, been looking at maps of the (visable) trails all around the Bobo property- and Natchez Trace state park just for good measure...
And randomly a thought popped into my head. There appears to be a lot of horseback trails, as well as atv trails, walking trails, and animal trails.

Does anyone know if there are signs designating which are which? (Horses Only, 4-Wheelers Only, etc?)
Oriah, Do you happen to know how populated the area is? I looked at Google maps and it appears that the residences are spaced some distance apart (of course I really couldn't tell that much from the satellite view of the Bobo property). Are maps of the area published out there somewhere on the web or did you get them from another source? The reason I ask is because I think you are definitely on to something there. I've thought the same thing for some time but didn't know of a resource for any off road maps of the area. This is my theory ... if someone were going to hide a body, even as small as Holly is, carrying dead weight a good distance wouldn't be easy. So, it would be feasible that someone could have transported her part of the way via 4 wheeler, then carried her body off trail from there to hide it deeper into the woods. Makes sense to me.

BeanE
07-06-2011, 10:07 AM
Shefner ... I will see if I can find the YouTube address and post it. I have it written down ... just gotta find where I put it! :/

Are we allowed to do that if we don't have confirmation who the person/people in the video are? In case they're just innocent people unrelated to the case?

Oriah
07-06-2011, 11:37 AM
Oriah, Do you happen to know how populated the area is? I looked at Google maps and it appears that the residences are spaced some distance apart (of course I really couldn't tell that much from the satellite view of the Bobo property). Are maps of the area published out there somewhere on the web or did you get them from another source? The reason I ask is because I think you are definitely on to something there. I've thought the same thing for some time but didn't know of a resource for any off road maps of the area. This is my theory ... if someone were going to hide a body, even as small as Holly is, carrying dead weight a good distance wouldn't be easy. So, it would be feasible that someone could have transported her part of the way via 4 wheeler, then carried her body off trail from there to hide it deeper into the woods. Makes sense to me.


I'm using a different map than this- but the area is available here (for a free trial period anyway...Mods, does that count as a free site or a paid site?? Help!) :

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lon=-88.2200413&lat=35.790343&datum=nad83

Or if you have a GPS and an updated USGS map, you can plug in the coordinates of the Bobo residence, and start looking at the access to trails there.
HTH.

kas227
07-06-2011, 01:28 PM
I'm using a different map than this- but the area is available here (for a free trial period anyway...Mods, does that count as a free site or a paid site?? Help!) :

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lon=-88.2200413&lat=35.790343&datum=nad83

Or if you have a GPS and an updated USGS map, you can plug in the coordinates of the Bobo residence, and start looking at the access to trails there.
HTH.
Thanks Oriah!! I will check it out!

grandmaj
07-06-2011, 01:42 PM
OK peeps just like with FB bringing any videos here when we don't know if it is Holly and rumors that some of the people in the video are suspects is :nono: Stick to the facts. I have not read one MSM article naming anyone to be a suspect.

Thanks.

Knox
07-06-2011, 01:53 PM
Oriah, have you looked for info here? http://www.tn.gov/twra/gis/gishome.html

If it's private land you are more interested in how about checking the State Assessor's Office? They usually have GIS info online.

Blindly trying to help with something I have little knowledge of : )

kas227
07-06-2011, 02:22 PM
OK peeps just like with FB bringing any videos here when we don't know if it is Holly and rumors that some of the people in the video are suspects is :nono: Stick to the facts. I have not read one MSM article naming anyone to be a suspect.

Thanks.
Sorry grandmaj ... no disrespect intended. I didn't mean to imply that any of the people in the video were guilty. I just thought it may identify someone that knew something if indeed it was Holly. I'm a newbie here ... lesson learned. Again, I apologize. :(

Oriah
07-06-2011, 02:37 PM
Thank you, Knox. Now my laptop has crashed, lol!

It appears there are several areas marked for atv access only; as well as some horseback only areas- and then hunting property privately owned as well as just private property parcel-wise.

Oriah, have you looked for info here? http://www.tn.gov/twra/gis/gishome.html

If it's private land you are more interested in how about checking the State Assessor's Office? They usually have GIS info online.

Blindly trying to help with something I have little knowledge of : )

BeanE
07-06-2011, 03:00 PM
What Happened to Holly Bobo special will be on tonight

http://www.localwireless.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=221&nid=54818869&cid=4308&scid=-1


http://www.wmctv.com/story/15029259/what-happened-to-holly-bobo

OldSteve
07-06-2011, 04:30 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned,
"Ride for Holly Raises $9K"
http://www.decaturcountyonline.com/article.asp?art=1735

Wow! The event did well.

"They may use it for flyers, medical expenses and therapy associated with Holly’s return..."

MLE
07-06-2011, 09:41 PM
Yes I agree with this post, I have felt since the beginning there were elements of deception at play, starting with the very first reports of this story. This is all in no particular order. The story was quickly changing from the mother and brother watching HB be dragged across the carport by a man in camo, to only the brother catching a glimpse of HB and who he thought to be her boyfriend walking toward the woods. We were given the led into the woods in fear of her life statement and also a story about a possible home invasion. Also dogs losing scents, flecks or a pool of blood, a phantom scream, possibly someone excessively cleaning or selling an atv or car/truck/suv and an eerie silence by the family/LE/locals. The media has to get their information from somewhere, and even though some reports were flat out bad reporting, they still had to get the story from official sources, right?

I think most people can accept that the police have a difficult case on their hands with limited information or evidence with which to work, but the inconsistent reports given to the public are starting to look more like incompetence than any real strategy.

The police need to be concerned about their strategy (if it is one) backfiring and causing not just Holly's abductor, but sex criminals throughout the area into getting the impression that the police are confused and befuddled. The image the police is projecting could embolden criminals into committing crimes in a newfound hope and confidence that they can get away with their crimes. The various police agencies working this case need to coordinate with each other and try to get on the same page in order to look more organized, more professional, and more capable in order to deter criminals and potential criminals from attempting crimes.

cluciano63
07-06-2011, 10:19 PM
I am starting to believe that this was a random abduction by a sexual predator, maybe someone recently released from prison, for example. He wouldn't have to be from TN, even, if he was passing through and followed her home a day or two before to check out the lay of the land. If so, she may have been taken out of state and could have been disposed of anywhere. No one had any sort of a vehicle ID that we know of, road blocks were days later, if not longer. I know they keep saying this is a local crime, but I am not sure they are basing that on anything substantial.

coeurfragile
07-06-2011, 10:39 PM
Holly's picture was on the front page of the newspaper ads I got in the mail today. I am glad her face is still out there in the off chance that she is not in Tennessee.

Patience
07-06-2011, 11:17 PM
Here are some of the missing in Tennessee in case anyone wanted to see if there are any similar cases.
http://amc-alertmissingchild.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=11602773#en

Mr. Noatak
07-06-2011, 11:51 PM
I am starting to believe that this was a random abduction by a sexual predator, maybe someone recently released from prison, for example. He wouldn't have to be from TN, even, if he was passing through and followed her home a day or two before to check out the lay of the land. If so, she may have been taken out of state and could have been disposed of anywhere. No one had any sort of a vehicle ID that we know of, road blocks were days later, if not longer. I know they keep saying this is a local crime, but I am not sure they are basing that on anything substantial.

My opinions only, no facts here:

I do not rule out what you say, but I approach such cases as an impassive observer of statistical probabilities, basically as an unemotional robot. The "random abduction" scenario requires that the perpetrator happened to know where to park their vehicle (out of sight) and then encountered Holly around the moment she left her house to walk the very short distance to her vehicle. The perpetrator would have to count upon their luck, since the house could have had multiple people in it eating breakfast as well as one or more outside feeding a pet or loading their guns into a vehicle for a day of hunting! IF the scanty details we have been fed are true (and I am somewhat introspective about this), the perpetrator knew the approximate family schedule, did not know that anyone but Holly was home, and hid somewhere waiting and watching for her.

goldiegirl
07-07-2011, 01:12 AM
Please tell us how this goes! I so wish I could watch it.

What Happened to Holly Bobo special will be on tonight

http://www.localwireless.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=221&nid=54818869&cid=4308&scid=-1


http://www.wmctv.com/story/15029259/what-happened-to-holly-bobo

goldiegirl
07-07-2011, 01:17 AM
I have a question for everyone: On Friday, I am going around to businesses in our area of Texas to hand out promotional flyers for a church event. If possible, I'd like to use this opportunity to hand out flyers about Holly while I'm at it. I know she's probably not far from her area of TN, but IMO raising awareness can only help.

Would this be appropriate/helpful? If so, does anyone have a link to the most current flyer that I should use, and does anyone know of any businesses that will reproduce them for free? Thank you!

ETA: There are tons of missing people in my area of TX as well, and much more recent, so I feel like posting about someone from TN would be in poor taste, but Holly just has a special place in my heart for some reason. I guess there's no protocol on this, but does anything this would be inappropriate? I guess I don't much care if it is, but I don't want to come across as though I don't care about the others.

I found a link for the flyer on FB: http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af351/SusanPowell-7/HOLLY%20BOBO/JPEGVERSION-HollyBoboMissingpersonflyer-USE.jpg

goldiegirl
07-07-2011, 01:57 AM
I also found a link to a video of the news story that BeanE mentioned

http://www.wmctv.com/category/195967/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6027000

Frogzilla
07-07-2011, 02:11 AM
Three months later: What happened to Holly Bobo? INCLUDES VIDEO
http://www.wmctv.com/story/15037152/three-months-later-what-happened-to-holly-bobo
IMO this article raises more questions than it answers. It also contradicts previous reports. Seems most of the info in the article is from the county sheriff.
The TBI FBI and Marshall service are still following up on tips, no mention of the county police. The article mentions following up on psychic tips, but didn't the TBI not want psychics involved before? The video states that investigators have no idea what happened, but weren't they "one clue" away weeks ago?

This report states that CB realized something was wrong very shortly after he got a glimpse of HB and who he thought was her boyfriend. CB then calls his mother and the mother calls 911? We seem to be missing a chunk of story there. Among other conclusions, did CB and mother just assume the worst and call 911? Did CB try to call HB or her boyfriend on the phone? Was there concern for HB before all of this and CB call just confirmed the mother's worst fears?
"Aside from some items belonging to Holly Bobo that were discovered along tree lines, Wyatt (county sheriff) said they have found nothing." This is confusing because what about the lunch bag and phone? Were they both found along "tree lines"? Were other previously unreported items found? What does this even mean?
IMO it's interesting that vast majority of reports on the HB case only come from local papers/TV stations. Seems like this is another way of showing they believe she is still in the local region. National media wanted this story before and they would probably still want to do reports, but unfortunately all we are getting are the local reports that are misleading or confusing.

OldSteve
07-07-2011, 12:35 PM
Gotta wonder if during the frenzy in the early days of this case if some tips might have gotten misplaced or misdirected by LE.
I seen at least one TV show where a critical tip was not acted upon because of just this, and the person who called in the tip didn't call it in again because they thought it had been checked out, when it fact it hadn't been...
So, perhaps in these cases it wouldn't hurt for LE to ask that anyone who thought they had something that wasn't acted upon, to try again.

Carla Lashelle
07-07-2011, 01:27 PM
BIZARRE

no other comments...

:banghead:


Three months later: What happened to Holly Bobo? INCLUDES VIDEO
http://www.wmctv.com/story/15037152/three-months-later-what-happened-to-holly-bobo
IMO this article raises more questions than it answers. It also contradicts previous reports. Seems most of the info in the article is from the county sheriff.
The TBI FBI and Marshall service are still following up on tips, no mention of the county police. The article mentions following up on psychic tips, but didn't the TBI not want psychics involved before? The video states that investigators have no idea what happened, but weren't they "one clue" away weeks ago?

This report states that CB realized something was wrong very shortly after he got a glimpse of HB and who he thought was her boyfriend. CB then calls his mother and the mother calls 911? We seem to be missing a chunk of story there. Among other conclusions, did CB and mother just assume the worst and call 911? Did CB try to call HB or her boyfriend on the phone? Was there concern for HB before all of this and CB call just confirmed the mother's worst fears?
"Aside from some items belonging to Holly Bobo that were discovered along tree lines, Wyatt (county sheriff) said they have found nothing." This is confusing because what about the lunch bag and phone? Were they both found along "tree lines"? Were other previously unreported items found? What does this even mean?
IMO it's interesting that vast majority of reports on the HB case only come from local papers/TV stations. Seems like this is another way of showing they believe she is still in the local region. National media wanted this story before and they would probably still want to do reports, but unfortunately all we are getting are the local reports that are misleading or confusing.

cluciano63
07-07-2011, 02:31 PM
You have to treat info from psychics just like info from anyone else?

BeanE
07-07-2011, 02:58 PM
You have to treat info from psychics just like info from anyone else?

Yep, LE has to process every tip, even the ones that waste their time and money, and take their efforts away from the investigation. They have to log them and account for how they followed up on them.

An example of one of these psychic tips given in the video with the article that was "Holly is in a blue house with a blue chicken".

BeanE
07-07-2011, 03:07 PM
Some good articles

The Klaas Act
Friday, April 15, 2011
A Modest Proposal

Psychics don’t solve missing person cases, yet they insist upon injecting themselves whenever a missing person report reaches the media.

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/04/modest-proposal.html


KlaasKids
Hazards

Psychic Detectives are the vanguard of a second wave of predators that also includes tabloid journalists, cheesy defense lawyers and photo-op politicians.

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-hazards.htm


INSIDE EDITION Investigates Psychic Detectives Who Claim to Find Missing Persons
3/2/2011

http://www.insideedition.com/news/5878/inside-edition-investigates-psychic-detectives-who-claim-to-find-missing-persons.aspx


Psychics: Insert Predicted Headline Here
June 26, 2008
David Lohr, Investigation Discovery

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/06/psychics-insert.html

Frogzilla
07-07-2011, 11:33 PM
I am starting to believe that this was a random abduction by a sexual predator, maybe someone recently released from prison, for example. He wouldn't have to be from TN, even, if he was passing through and followed her home a day or two before to check out the lay of the land. If so, she may have been taken out of state and could have been disposed of anywhere. No one had any sort of a vehicle ID that we know of, road blocks were days later, if not longer. I know they keep saying this is a local crime, but I am not sure they are basing that on anything substantial.
I can't disagree with what your saying, but if some reports/rumors are true that an item or items belonging to HB were found based on a tip or tips, whether anonymous or sent directly to somebody, I cant think of a scenario in which a random abduction by a serial predator would do that. Why would the predator risk further exposing themselves?
I'd guess that a random stranger abduction would be more in line with finding ALL items of HB along the "tree lines",which this most recent report could suggest, but either way this story has become more confusing as time goes on.

Frogzilla
07-08-2011, 12:29 AM
I think most people can accept that the police have a difficult case on their hands with limited information or evidence with which to work, but the inconsistent reports given to the public are starting to look more like incompetence than any real strategy.

The police need to be concerned about their strategy (if it is one) backfiring and causing not just Holly's abductor, but sex criminals throughout the area into getting the impression that the police are confused and befuddled. The image the police is projecting could embolden criminals into committing crimes in a newfound hope and confidence that they can get away with their crimes. The various police agencies working this case need to coordinate with each other and try to get on the same page in order to look more organized, more professional, and more capable in order to deter criminals and potential criminals from attempting crimes.
This is a nice post and I think there isn't an answer to the issue of criminals getting an impression that you can get away with crimes because the LE is or has acted incompetent in any given area. IMO it's a catch 22. Is it possible the way LE has acted in this case to play everything down goes along with not wanting to draw attention or single out any of their own current or potential shortcomings? There are two sides to every coin. Also, there will always be the possibility of a copy-cat to any crime, monkey see monkey do. I agree the communication in this case seems lacking, but it wouldn't be the first time LE agencies operated with their own agendas. If the LE in this case didn't have some type of strategy for finding HB, then what have they been doing the last three months? There have been reports in the media about meth labs being busted and other criminals being found during the search for HB and that is encouraging, but certainly not enough to justify the shroud of mystery in this case. Also, I'm pretty sure that for the most part, serious criminals already feel confident they can get away with any given crime. I don't think they believe it would be fun getting caught.

Jessicaleanne1992
07-08-2011, 02:52 AM
Looking at all the young, beautiful girls who just vanish;

Kara Kopetsky, Lauren Sperier, Holly Bobo, Brittanee Drexel

and that's only four who have gotten some media attention,
does anyone think that a prostitution cartel could be kidnapping these girls? And maybe they aren't just taking females, there are so many males who go missing too, maybe they are falling victim to it too. People don't just vanish without a trace. What else could it be? Are these cases really not connected at all? They seem way too alike to not be, I mean young, beautiful, and poof, gone. No evidence. No witnesses. Idk, maybe I'm reading too much in to this. Any thoughts?

OldSteve
07-08-2011, 12:19 PM
In the recent interview given, the Sheriff mentioned US Marshalls have been involved. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that suggest there is a someone - a fugitive, or someone out-of-state they are looking for? I thought the Marshall's were mostly a fugitive locating/arresting, as well as an auctioning agency....

http://www.usmarshals.gov/

mountainguy777
07-08-2011, 12:28 PM
It wouldn't be a bad idea to hypnotize clint and see if they can get a better description of the suspect.

goldiegirl
07-08-2011, 12:30 PM
The company that made the shirts will now be making decals for commercial trucks and personal vehicles with Holly's picture and the TBI phone number. Basically a missing persons poster that can be seen by more people. This project started with the idea of placing them on the backs of commercial trucks nationwide to spread the word, but they have now decided to create them for personal vehicles, as well. More info is available on the Bring Holly Bobo Home Safe FB page.

BeanE
07-08-2011, 12:34 PM
The company that made the shirts will now be making decals for commercial trucks and personal vehicles with Holly's picture and the TBI phone number. Basically a missing persons poster that can be seen by more people. This project started with the idea of placing them on the backs of commercial trucks nationwide to spread the word, but they have now decided to create them for personal vehicles, as well. More info is available on the Bring Holly Bobo Home Safe FB page.

That's a great idea!

Frogzilla
07-08-2011, 12:43 PM
In the recent interview given, the Sheriff mentioned US Marshalls have been involved. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that suggest there is a someone - a fugitive, or someone out-of-state they are looking for? I thought the Marshall's were mostly a fugitive locating/arresting, as well as an auctioning agency....

http://www.usmarshals.gov/

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The service assists with court security and prisoner transport, serves arrest warrants, and seeks fugitives.
The Marshals Service is responsible for apprehending wanted fugitives, providing protection for the federal judiciary, transporting federal prisoners, protecting endangered federal witnesses, and managing assets seized from criminal enterprises.

OldSteve
07-08-2011, 12:59 PM
So would you agree that there (Marshalls) being involved says something ?

cluciano63
07-08-2011, 01:04 PM
So would you agree that there (Marshalls) being involved says something ?

I don't know; in Lauren's case they used mashalls to help check the sex offenders in the area. They may use them differently in each case.

Frogzilla
07-08-2011, 01:21 PM
So would you agree that there (Marshalls) being involved says something ?
The US Marshall service seems to be the bridge between federal and state laws, as in being able to operate in between local LE and FBI in any investigation, in any area.
From WIKI- Title 28 USC Chapter 37 § 564. authorizes United States marshals, deputy marshals and such other officials of the Service as may be designated by the Director, in executing the laws of the United States within a State, may exercise the same powers which a sheriff of the State may exercise in executing the laws thereof.[9]
One federal marshal had a staff of 300 and jurisdiction over 35 counties. He earned $150,000 annually.
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MLE
07-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Looking at all the young, beautiful girls who just vanish;

Kara Kopetsky, Lauren Sperier, Holly Bobo, Brittanee Drexel

and that's only four who have gotten some media attention,
does anyone think that a prostitution cartel could be kidnapping these girls? And maybe they aren't just taking females, there are so many males who go missing too, maybe they are falling victim to it too. People don't just vanish without a trace. What else could it be? Are these cases really not connected at all? They seem way too alike to not be, I mean young, beautiful, and poof, gone. No evidence. No witnesses. Idk, maybe I'm reading too much in to this. Any thoughts?

I think a lot of missing women in the USA have been abducted for the purpose of being raped strictly by the abductor, but I also think there's a significant percentage of the missing women who have been abducted and trafficked for commercial purposes. I don't think this would've been the case 20 or 30 years ago, but today, yes.

MsFacetious
07-08-2011, 04:01 PM
I can't disagree with what your saying, but if some reports/rumors are true that an item or items belonging to HB were found based on a tip or tips, whether anonymous or sent directly to somebody, I cant think of a scenario in which a random abduction by a serial predator would do that. Why would the predator risk further exposing themselves?
I'd guess that a random stranger abduction would be more in line with finding ALL items of HB along the "tree lines",which this most recent report could suggest, but either way this story has become more confusing as time goes on.

Shannon Melendi.

She worked at the same location as her killer. That was her connection to him. The ONLY reason he was convicted is because of the item of Shannon's he left for police. No body, no crime scene... it was the only physical evidence.

He had served 2 years for abducting and attacking a 14 year old when he was a teenager. He was accused two other times of abducting women.


Then you have the cases where they think it's a game... and taunt the police.

BTK, The Zodiac and the D.C. Snipers for example.


Shannon Melendi's case

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/18/48hours/main1219166_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBod y


For almost two weeks, there was no sign of Shannon, until April 6, 1994, when an anonymous male caller phoned the Emory University counseling center with a message.

"In that call, which was very brief, he said that he had Shannon and she was OK. And that he would make his demands later and hung up the phone," says DeKalb County prosecutor Mike McDaniel.

The FBI traced the call to a pay phone and found evidence intentionally left behind by the caller that would link him to Shannon. It was wrapped in masking tape.

Wrapped inside the masking tape was a bag, and inside the bag was a ring, which Yvonne Melendi says was Shannon's, given to her by her godmother.

The mysterious phone call and the bizarre discovery of Shannon's blue topaz ring confirmed what the Melendis had believed all along: that their daughter had been taken against her will.

----------------------------------------

Ice says they found wire ties, cleaning utensils, female sweaters and plastic pants that investigators wear at crime scenes to prevent blood from getting onto clothing.

Investigators found eight to 10 women's sweaters, along with other women's clothing. None of it belonged to Hinton's wife at the time or to Shannon. Whom they belonged to remains a mystery. But authorities say they have a pretty good idea why they were buried there, calling them trophies of what might be many other crimes.

"A very distinct possibility," says Ice. Asked if he thinks there are other victims, Ice says, "There have to be."

-----------------------------------------

But what police had discovered, while investigating Shannon's disappearance, was that Hinton had a violent criminal past, a disturbing rap sheet with attacks on several women, beginning when he was just a teenager.

Among his victims is a woman named Tammy, who asked 48 Hours to obscure her identity. She was just 14 years old when Hinton kidnapped and sexually attacked her in 1982.

--------------------------------


The jury had found Colvin "Butch" Hinton, III, guilty for the kidnapping and murder of Shannon Melendi.

goldiegirl
07-08-2011, 09:18 PM
Just wanted to mention that I found out today that FedEx does provide free copies of missing persons posters. They gave me 100 free copies of Holly's flyer, but in black and white. Fortunately, it still looks clear, and I was glad to have any at all. Of course, if someone wanted to get even more you'd just have to go to another FedEx location. It sounded like 100 was their standard number. Now I just need to find people in my area to help distribute them!

ETA: I'm in Houston, so if interested PM me (mods, I hope it's okay to say that here since it's not directed at a specific person. If not, feel free to let me know how to word it better : )

Rallihanna
07-08-2011, 09:43 PM
I so followed this case initially and am glad to see it's still around; I hope something breaks soon.

Frogzilla
07-09-2011, 12:53 AM
Shannon Melendi.

She worked at the same location as her killer. That was her connection to him. The ONLY reason he was convicted is because of the item of Shannon's he left for police. No body, no crime scene... it was the only physical evidence.

He had served 2 years for abducting and attacking a 14 year old when he was a teenager. He was accused two other times of abducting women.


Then you have the cases where they think it's a game... and taunt the police.

BTK, The Zodiac and the D.C. Snipers for example.


Shannon Melendi's case

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/18/48hours/main1219166_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBod y


For almost two weeks, there was no sign of Shannon, until April 6, 1994, when an anonymous male caller phoned the Emory University counseling center with a message.

"In that call, which was very brief, he said that he had Shannon and she was OK. And that he would make his demands later and hung up the phone," says DeKalb County prosecutor Mike McDaniel.

The FBI traced the call to a pay phone and found evidence intentionally left behind by the caller that would link him to Shannon. It was wrapped in masking tape.

Wrapped inside the masking tape was a bag, and inside the bag was a ring, which Yvonne Melendi says was Shannon's, given to her by her godmother.

The mysterious phone call and the bizarre discovery of Shannon's blue topaz ring confirmed what the Melendis had believed all along: that their daughter had been taken against her will.

----------------------------------------

Ice says they found wire ties, cleaning utensils, female sweaters and plastic pants that investigators wear at crime scenes to prevent blood from getting onto clothing.

Investigators found eight to 10 women's sweaters, along with other women's clothing. None of it belonged to Hinton's wife at the time or to Shannon. Whom they belonged to remains a mystery. But authorities say they have a pretty good idea why they were buried there, calling them trophies of what might be many other crimes.

"A very distinct possibility," says Ice. Asked if he thinks there are other victims, Ice says, "There have to be."

-----------------------------------------

But what police had discovered, while investigating Shannon's disappearance, was that Hinton had a violent criminal past, a disturbing rap sheet with attacks on several women, beginning when he was just a teenager.

Among his victims is a woman named Tammy, who asked 48 Hours to obscure her identity. She was just 14 years old when Hinton kidnapped and sexually attacked her in 1982.

--------------------------------


The jury had found Colvin "Butch" Hinton, III, guilty for the kidnapping and murder of Shannon Melendi.
I'm going to assume you are addressing this part of my post " I cant think of a scenario in which a random abduction by a serial predator would do that. Why would the predator risk further exposing themselves?" I am also going to assume you are trying to support this part of my post since every criminal except, The Zodiac Killer, you mentioned was eventually apprehended.
Colvin "Butch" Hinton, III had left the ring for LE to find and like you said, in the end it was the link back to him. Also witnesses saw him paying unusual attention to her while he was umpiring a game and she was the scorekeeper. The pitcher on the mound that day says, "The home plate umpire, he would not pay attention to me while I was pitching. I would throw a pitch and then, mid-stride, he would turn around and look at the scorekeeper behind the fence"
BTK aka Dennis Rader- Known murders between 1974-1991. In 2005, The BTK killer's last known communication with the media and police was a padded envelope that included among other items, a floppy disk. Unknown to BTK, the floppy contained "Christ Lutheran Church", and the document was marked as last modified by "Dennis". A search of the church website turned up Dennis Rader as president of the congregation council. Sometime during this period, police obtained a warrant for the medical records of Rader's daughter. A tissue sample seized at this time was tested for DNA and provided a familial match with semen collected at an earlier BTK crime scene. This, along with other evidence gathered prior to and during the surveillance, gave police probable cause for an arrest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader#Arrest
D.C. Snipers ( John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo) - D.C. snipers have never abducted anyone that we are aware of.
On the phone call, the sniper, boasting of his cleverness, also mentioned a previous unsolved murder in "Montgomery". This was identified as the September 21 shooting at a liquor store in Montgomery, Alabama. On October 17 authorities said they matched Malvo's fingerprint found at the Benjamin Tasker Middle School site with one lifted from the liquor store scene. After further research into Malvo's background it was discovered he had close ties to a John Allen Muhammad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks#Arrest
Zodiac Killer- The Zodiac coined his name in a series of taunting letters he sent to the press until 1974. His letters included four cryptograms or ciphers, three of which have yet to be solved. The Zodiac Killer was a serial killer who operated in Northern California for ten months in the late 1960s. His identity remains unknown.
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer_letters
Other notorious people who taunted LE/victim's family- Jack The Ripper, Son of Sam, Long Island Serial Killer.

Frogzilla
07-09-2011, 12:58 AM
Looking at all the young, beautiful girls who just vanish;

Kara Kopetsky, Lauren Sperier, Holly Bobo, Brittanee Drexel

and that's only four who have gotten some media attention,
does anyone think that a prostitution cartel could be kidnapping these girls? And maybe they aren't just taking females, there are so many males who go missing too, maybe they are falling victim to it too. People don't just vanish without a trace. What else could it be? Are these cases really not connected at all? They seem way too alike to not be, I mean young, beautiful, and poof, gone. No evidence. No witnesses. Idk, maybe I'm reading too much in to this. Any thoughts?
This was my reply to this question you asked in another thread.
I think anyone who follows missing person cases will tell you this same thought has crossed their mind before. Then I ask myself this question. Which is more likely, organized sex traffickers randomly targeting young women or isolated incidents where somebody takes advantage of a vulnerable person. Then ask yourself, besides being young and attractive(which could describe A LOT of people), what do these missing persons have in common? Also, why would traffickers consistently target people who will be looked for with strong LE presence, when they are are A LOT of teens and young adults who may not have many options in life (runaways, orphans, etc..) and can be easily coerced or kidnapped and also wouldn't have loved ones constantly looking for them and also may not ever had a missing person report filed.

Aqua
07-09-2011, 10:10 AM
Actually, The Zodiac has never been caught.

Dogface
07-09-2011, 10:50 AM
Ahh this is so frustrating....I really hope something comes up soon to give them a solid direction, or at least, an obvious direction. When I think about this case there are a few things that plague me....like the surveillance police car outside of the bobo residence following her disappearance. Did LE feel the family was being watched and needed protection, or were they trying to watch the habits of the the family? I feel that LE wanted to provide extra security, which makes you think they must have reason to believe someone could/would harm, which IMO is not something you would worry about if it was random.

And the roadblocks, set up after the abduction, seem almost more like they were actions just put on for the sake of appearances....did they really have something they were looking for? Or was it just a way to canvas a lot of cars locally in hopes of seeing something amiss?

The cause of the blood splatter also boggles my mind....I have had several minor injuries(busted lip, cuts here and there, I am a terrible klutz) but none of my injuries really ever were severe enough to leave blood behind on the ground, minus when I managed to hit myself in the face with my cellphone, breaking my nose. THAT injury bled severly, and quickly...so I was thinking if someone punched/hit her in the nose, not only would she be stunned, but that it would likely leave blood behind. And in the days following, if her kidnapper was transporting her with him, she may have been forced to wear large sunglasses/hats to obscure bruising on her face, so if anyone noticed a couple acting bizarre, or a woman hiding her face in the surrounding areas, it would be worth putting some thought into if it could be her.

Another point to consider is that if her abductor is serious about keeping her, her physical appearance could have changed(hair color, style, make up and clothing choices, etc.) .

Hoping we get some POSITIVE news soon.

DrHog
07-10-2011, 12:11 AM
I rarely post on WS but I have been keeping up with the Holly Bobo case for several weeks. I want to make a few observations based on what I have read. I may be off base, but I want to focus on the type person involved based on the behaviors we know. My opinions don't really add much to what is known but maybe it will spark additional thoughts or possibilities from others.

Sometimes it is easy to get focused only on the evidence or the lack of it. There are a lot of behavioral clues that can get overlooked that could lead to a sharpened list of suspects. Looking at the information we know and making some educated guesses can tell us a lot about the kind of person who took Holly Bobo (Assuming the current version of facts remains the same and ruling out the brother). The male who took Holly had planned the event in advance. We can conclude this by looking at the totality of the event. The Bobo's home was in a wooded area yet he apparently knew their schedule. Her parents had already left with only the brother and Holly home. The abductor laid in wait, was clothed in camouflage, and likely had a vehicle positioned out of sight of the Bobo home. It appears he was targeting Holly, but it is possible he was actually waiting on Clint. I further believe he likely brought a weapon (gun or knife) with him to the scene though it is not a certainty. Holly screamed when she saw the armed intruder and it was at this point the perp likely struck her either with a fist or the weapon (hence the blood). This is why she went (reluctantly) into the woods with the individual. What does all this tell us about who took Holly? Almost certainly it is someone who knows her or the family. He either knew their habits from surveillance or he had observed it as an acquaintance or neighbor. For those who are hunters, this individual followed the script for deer hunting. He scouted the area, made his plans for taking the target, wore the appropriate clothes, brought the weapon of choice, laid in wait, and subdued his target. His motives for taking Holly are not known and we really don't have great clues to lead us to a conclusion. We can rule out money (as far as we know) and criminal enterprise which are 2 reasons why individuals are abducted. This leaves sexually motivated crimes, revenge (either against Holly or a family member), or for reasons only know to the kidnapper. First, I think we can say this person has above average intelligence as evidenced by his ability to plan ahead. I believe he is a local based on a number of things including knowledge of where she lived, the fact she appears to have been targeted (likely personal motive), and even the fact he wore camouflage argues for a native. I suspect this person is fairly young. My guess, based again on all we know, is that he is between 19 and 27 years old. I believe he is a loner who had few friends and no really close relationships. My reasoning is based on the fact there has been no real information developed from local sources as far as we know (The other possibility is he isn't local and that is why no one knows anything). I think this argues for someone who isn't a talker or a social person. It also suggests someone who lives alone or with someone (perhaps a grandmother) who does not closely supervise the individual or ask questions. I think the time of the abduction, early Wednesday morning, also suggests that the abductor does not work or at least does not work a day shift. He likely is not a known criminal (would have been a suspect early on) but very well may have had minor run-ins. I personally think it is very likely he has had hunting violations or is known to wildlife officers.

(In the above I have suggested a planned event which I think is the most likely, but to be honest, Holly could have been out the evening before and the abductor followed her home, waited all night, and began the process of abducting her when he saw the parents leave in the morning. Not likely, but certainly in the realm of possibilities.)

The troubling thing about all this is we don't know why he did it. If he were simply obsessed with Holly, she may still be alive. If it were revenge or sexually motivated, she likely is not.

To summarize, I think he is a white male between the ages of 19-27 who is acquainted or familiar with Holly or the Bobo family. He is from the local area and lives alone or with a nonintrusive friend or relative. I think he has few if any friends and would be considered a loner. He is at least average intelligence but more likely above average intelligence. He probably is unemployed or sporadically employed but, if he does work, it is likely the 3rd shift. He is comfortable in the woods and is a hunter. He could have some minor run-ins with law enforcement such as poaching, trespassing, or other game laws. He will not be well known in the community as he flies under the radar.

The type individual I have suggested does not perfectly fit some of the normal characteristics for this type offender. This is an organized crime in most respects. An organized offender is usually a very social person who gets along well with others . He is cunning and methodical. He usually picks victims unknown to himself and away from where he lives. He is mobile and travels more miles than normal (In my argument in the above paragraphs about him being a loner, it is because there has been no local talk or information. That could be explained by the fact that he isn't a local). He is often focused on ritual and fantasy. People are shocked when he is arrested because he is perceived as a good person. He is often married and holds down a job. Like our current case though, he does tend to commit his crime in one area and dispose of the evidence in other locations, uses a vehicle (normally well maintained), and brings a weapon to the scene (my own speculation).

I think these same in-congruent elements are what is baffling LE. Is is a local crime? You want to think so, but what of the organized offender characteristics? If it is an organized psychopath, he may be from anywhere and Holly could have been taken anywhere. There just isn't enough evidence to be certain either way. How much more information is needed to start developing a clear vision of the offender? It is a case with more questions than answers.

Finally, let's construct a most likely narrative based on what I said at the beginning. Holly was abducted by a local who was infatuated/obsessed with her. He would have had to plan this for some time and conducted surveillance to pull off the crime as he did. If he were this careful at planning, it is not much of a stretch to think he had a well planned exit strategy as well. He knew where he was going to take her and what he was going to do with her. He didn't want to just kill her. He could have done that at the house. He led her away to his waiting vehicle to take her for a specific purpose. Again, he had a plan. Was it a sex crime? It is where our mind takes us, but maybe it is more complicated than that. He could have committed this crime much easier if it had been away from her home. Why there? Was it safer there in his mind? If so, isn't that a clue as well? Why early in the morning? Was he coming home from a 3rd shift job such as a convenience store or did he know that was the only time Holly would definitely be home and her parents would be gone? If he just wanted to have a forced sexual encounter, wouldn’t it have made sense to have done this some other place and in some other way? I think he wanted time with Holly under his control and this thought may be the most foreboding of all.

I also think the reason law enforcement has been quiet is evident from what I have suggested. Holly could be alive if this person were obsessed with Holly and had no plans to hurt but only wanted to possess her. Although a thin chance, it does provide hope. Constant pressure on this type individual could cause him to make the choice to go further than originally intended and take Holly's life. It is the one reason that would make sense to not turn up the heat locally.

shefner
07-10-2011, 01:01 AM
DrHog...I agree with most everything you have so succinctly written. Your ideas about the perp mirror my own with a few exceptions. I feel the kidnapper is a local who is arrogant...perhaps a young man who has the protection (or over-protection) of a well-connected family. I feel he may not have acted alone, but instead used his persuasion to get a couple friends, who did not like Holly, to join him in the crime. Perhaps this act against Holly was in fact against her family or a member of her family.
I feel the friend or friends were male...but one might have been female, although I think that is less likely now.
I feel the arrogance of the main perp might get him in trouble eventually. Also, one of the accomplices (if this theory is true) might finally cave...because, as they say, the only way to silence 3 criminals is to murder 2 of them.
Thanks for your insightful post!

Frogzilla
07-10-2011, 11:53 PM
Holly Bobo's family vows never to give up
http://www.wkrn.com/story/15056433/holly-bobos-family-vows-never-to-give-up
The Bobo family makes a couple of statements- "It seems like it gets harder everyday, but we are not giving up," mother Karen Bobo said. "We have to keep believing and keep hoping and we do."
"We will never give up. We have searched day and night. We will be there looking for her from now on no matter how long it takes," father Dana Bobo said.
The family takes some comfort in the story of Jaycee Dugard, the woman who was abducted from a bus stop near her home in South Lake Tahoe, California in 1991. "It does because we will never give up until we have her back at home," Bobo's mother said. "I cannot see any of us ever giving up until we have her back home."
Tuesday C&P Leasing is planning to unveil a decal that will be put on all trucks. It will include a picture of Bobo and the number to call with information if anyone has info.

This article talks about a piece of evidence that was found based on a tip. Wonder if it was found by "tree lines"?.........
This article is also contains numerous words that are misspelled, as if this story wasn't already the epitome of journalism.

cfreyja23
07-11-2011, 12:39 AM
DrHog, I also enjoyed reading your ideas. To me, two of the biggest questions would be 1) how did he first encounter her? and 2) how did he first find out where she lived? If he was a stranger who just randomly encountered her at the mall, or her work or school, how could he follow her back through the roads to her house without being noticed? The fact that he knew where she lived is very indicative to me of someone who knew her (although there are plenty of cases where stranger abductions occur at a person's home) or had encountered her before as an acquaintance. Perhaps I just don't know a lot about rural areas, but I tend to think of a remotely located house (in comparison to a big city) as a place that is harder to follow someone to (in a car) without being detected.

Based on everything I've read, I definitely think it was someone in the age range you provided, with whom she has met before, through friends, work or school. This would not be someone who outwardly expressed interest in her to the people around her, and would not have seemed to be obsessed with her.

I would be shocked to discover it was a stranger abduction, but in the event that it is, I expect that the abductor will be much older than your age range.

OldSteve
07-11-2011, 01:32 AM
DrHog - enjoyed reading your theories!

Perp has to be smart since he's eluded LE this long... could have a good job and have been on vacation, or a few days off...
Smart and stays to himself, a private person who doesn't seem strange enough to call attention to himself that way...
His going to her house strikes me as something a spurned or person infatuated with her might to - he wants her to run away with him.. she doesn't want to go, he forces her...
OR he knows her schedule so well, he knows the only time she is alone is the time he chose...
She might know him, at least enough that she didn't run the moment she saw him (assuming he didn't totally surprise her)...
Since he do not know really how far into the woods he went, he may not be a hunter, may not be someone familiar with the woods...

Mr. Noatak
07-11-2011, 04:14 AM
Looking at all the young, beautiful girls who just vanish;

Kara Kopetsky, Lauren Sperier, Holly Bobo, Brittanee Drexel

and that's only four who have gotten some media attention,
does anyone think that a prostitution cartel could be kidnapping these girls? And maybe they aren't just taking females, there are so many males who go missing too, maybe they are falling victim to it too. People don't just vanish without a trace. What else could it be? Are these cases really not connected at all? They seem way too alike to not be, I mean young, beautiful, and poof, gone. No evidence. No witnesses. Idk, maybe I'm reading too much in to this. Any thoughts?

My opinions only, no facts here:

I suggest that the Holly Bobo case is distinctly different than the other cases you cite. The other three cases have the feel of "crimes of opportunity". Read about them in detail. By comparison with those cases, Holly was in the wilderness. Face it, this country has reached a state where young women should not EVEN THINK ABOUT walking down the street alone in a large town or city. I live in possibly the safest neighborhood in America, but I used to walk my 16 year old daughter to the house 25 feet away so she could babysit. I understood the reality then and I understand it now.

But Holly was out in the deep woods, virtually invisible to the predators that prowl the towns and cities where the opportunities are infinitely greater for the predator. My father lived in a very similar "wilderness" for 50 years and no crime ever occurred on his property. When it comes to the Holly Bobo case, think outside the box.

NCSleuth
07-11-2011, 09:03 AM
I know its been said before, but its time to ask for help! Release the information and let the public help.

You have to know when to reach out for help.

shefner
07-11-2011, 09:54 AM
I think its gotta be a local...someone who knew her or her family. I think the "hunter" theory may be on target simply because we have someone out in the woods early in the morning, laying in wait while dressed in camo. Sounds like a "hunter" to me.

Holly's area is so secluded that I find it hard to believe a stranger would do this, although if he stalked her for days and followed her home then I suppose that is believable. Still, someone from "somewhere else" would take her and flee completely out of the area....but since so many small items of hers have been found (perhaps planted?) nearby, it leads me to believe that this was a person who was local.

Surely they have a good idea who it is....they just can't catch him (or them) with what they have. Or am I wishful thinking again?

Frogzilla
07-11-2011, 11:42 AM
I rarely post on WS but I have been keeping up with the Holly Bobo case for several weeks. I want to make a few observations based on what I have read. I may be off base, but I want to focus on the type person involved based on the behaviors we know. My opinions don't really add much to what is known but maybe it will spark additional thoughts or possibilities from others.

Sometimes it is easy to get focused only on the evidence or the lack of it. There are a lot of behavioral clues that can get overlooked that could lead to a sharpened list of suspects. Looking at the information we know and making some educated guesses can tell us a lot about the kind of person who took Holly Bobo (Assuming the current version of facts remains the same and ruling out the brother). The male who took Holly had planned the event in advance. We can conclude this by looking at the totality of the event. The Bobo's home was in a wooded area yet he apparently knew their schedule. Her parents had already left with only the brother and Holly home. The abductor laid in wait, was clothed in camouflage, and likely had a vehicle positioned out of sight of the Bobo home. It appears he was targeting Holly, but it is possible he was actually waiting on Clint. I further believe he likely brought a weapon (gun or knife) with him to the scene though it is not a certainty. Holly screamed when she saw the armed intruder and it was at this point the perp likely struck her either with a fist or the weapon (hence the blood). This is why she went (reluctantly) into the woods with the individual. What does all this tell us about who took Holly? Almost certainly it is someone who knows her or the family. He either knew their habits from surveillance or he had observed it as an acquaintance or neighbor. For those who are hunters, this individual followed the script for deer hunting. He scouted the area, made his plans for taking the target, wore the appropriate clothes, brought the weapon of choice, laid in wait, and subdued his target. His motives for taking Holly are not known and we really don't have great clues to lead us to a conclusion. We can rule out money (as far as we know) and criminal enterprise which are 2 reasons why individuals are abducted. This leaves sexually motivated crimes, revenge (either against Holly or a family member), or for reasons only know to the kidnapper. First, I think we can say this person has above average intelligence as evidenced by his ability to plan ahead. I believe he is a local based on a number of things including knowledge of where she lived, the fact she appears to have been targeted (likely personal motive), and even the fact he wore camouflage argues for a native. I suspect this person is fairly young. My guess, based again on all we know, is that he is between 19 and 27 years old. I believe he is a loner who had few friends and no really close relationships. My reasoning is based on the fact there has been no real information developed from local sources as far as we know (The other possibility is he isn't local and that is why no one knows anything). I think this argues for someone who isn't a talker or a social person. It also suggests someone who lives alone or with someone (perhaps a grandmother) who does not closely supervise the individual or ask questions. I think the time of the abduction, early Wednesday morning, also suggests that the abductor does not work or at least does not work a day shift. He likely is not a known criminal (would have been a suspect early on) but very well may have had minor run-ins. I personally think it is very likely he has had hunting violations or is known to wildlife officers.

(In the above I have suggested a planned event which I think is the most likely, but to be honest, Holly could have been out the evening before and the abductor followed her home, waited all night, and began the process of abducting her when he saw the parents leave in the morning. Not likely, but certainly in the realm of possibilities.)

The troubling thing about all this is we don't know why he did it. If he were simply obsessed with Holly, she may still be alive. If it were revenge or sexually motivated, she likely is not.

To summarize, I think he is a white male between the ages of 19-27 who is acquainted or familiar with Holly or the Bobo family. He is from the local area and lives alone or with a nonintrusive friend or relative. I think he has few if any friends and would be considered a loner. He is at least average intelligence but more likely above average intelligence. He probably is unemployed or sporadically employed but, if he does work, it is likely the 3rd shift. He is comfortable in the woods and is a hunter. He could have some minor run-ins with law enforcement such as poaching, trespassing, or other game laws. He will not be well known in the community as he flies under the radar.

The type individual I have suggested does not perfectly fit some of the normal characteristics for this type offender. This is an organized crime in most respects. An organized offender is usually a very social person who gets along well with others . He is cunning and methodical. He usually picks victims unknown to himself and away from where he lives. He is mobile and travels more miles than normal (In my argument in the above paragraphs about him being a loner, it is because there has been no local talk or information. That could be explained by the fact that he isn't a local). He is often focused on ritual and fantasy. People are shocked when he is arrested because he is perceived as a good person. He is often married and holds down a job. Like our current case though, he does tend to commit his crime in one area and dispose of the evidence in other locations, uses a vehicle (normally well maintained), and brings a weapon to the scene (my own speculation).

I think these same in-congruent elements are what is baffling LE. Is is a local crime? You want to think so, but what of the organized offender characteristics? If it is an organized psychopath, he may be from anywhere and Holly could have been taken anywhere. There just isn't enough evidence to be certain either way. How much more information is needed to start developing a clear vision of the offender? It is a case with more questions than answers.

Finally, let's construct a most likely narrative based on what I said at the beginning. Holly was abducted by a local who was infatuated/obsessed with her. He would have had to plan this for some time and conducted surveillance to pull off the crime as he did. If he were this careful at planning, it is not much of a stretch to think he had a well planned exit strategy as well. He knew where he was going to take her and what he was going to do with her. He didn't want to just kill her. He could have done that at the house. He led her away to his waiting vehicle to take her for a specific purpose. Again, he had a plan. Was it a sex crime? It is where our mind takes us, but maybe it is more complicated than that. He could have committed this crime much easier if it had been away from her home. Why there? Was it safer there in his mind? If so, isn't that a clue as well? Why early in the morning? Was he coming home from a 3rd shift job such as a convenience store or did he know that was the only time Holly would definitely be home and her parents would be gone? If he just wanted to have a forced sexual encounter, wouldn’t it have made sense to have done this some other place and in some other way? I think he wanted time with Holly under his control and this thought may be the most foreboding of all.

I also think the reason law enforcement has been quiet is evident from what I have suggested. Holly could be alive if this person were obsessed with Holly and had no plans to hurt but only wanted to possess her. Although a thin chance, it does provide hope. Constant pressure on this type individual could cause him to make the choice to go further than originally intended and take Holly's life. It is the one reason that would make sense to not turn up the heat locally.
Nice post Drhog, very well thought out. I mostly agree with most everything you said except for the last paragraph, not that it couldn't be the case here. That line of logic can only be effective if you know who the perp is, but cannot locate the victim. If the concern was the perp feeling pressure, it would be analogous to a hostage situation. You would be very cautious in dealing with a hostage situation because the only conclusions are arrest or death, but you would want to minimize casualties and the silence would be ideal. Also this kind of situation could not last forever, something would eventually have to give. On the flip side, If you did not know who the perp is or where the victim is, the silence would not help locating the victim. Hypothetically, the perp could keep the victim locked in a basement indefinitely and without any leads to find them, you would have to keep trying to generate leads and ideally keep the pressure on the perp or acquaintances to make them expose themselves. Do you think that when the perp is tired of the victim, will they just let them go? Probably not, it's far more likely they would dispose of the victim, hence the need to constantly generate any form of pressure in this situation.
Other possible reasons LE may go silent in a MP investigation- Corruption in some level of LE involved in the investigation, possible perp inserting themselves into an investigation in a seemingly friendly way, mistrust between various LE agencies, covering for possible LE mistakes made during the investigation, etc...
Also keep in mind, it isn't always LE that solves cases, many many times it is an informed public that tips off LE as to what happened or where to find a suspect.

~n/t~
07-11-2011, 12:40 PM
I think its gotta be a local...someone who knew her or her family. I think the "hunter" theory may be on target simply because we have someone out in the woods early in the morning, laying in wait while dressed in camo. Sounds like a "hunter" to me.

Holly's area is so secluded that I find it hard to believe a stranger would do this, although if he stalked her for days and followed her home then I suppose that is believable. Still, someone from "somewhere else" would take her and flee completely out of the area....but since so many small items of hers have been found (perhaps planted?) nearby, it leads me to believe that this was a person who was local.

Surely they have a good idea who it is....they just can't catch him (or them) with what they have. Or am I wishful thinking again?

Or someone with relatives in the area? A family member or friend who often stayed and perhaps hunted there? Someone in Darden holds the answers, imo and is not talking.

Wondergirl
07-11-2011, 01:18 PM
Can someone please help me?

I am trying to determine what school it was that Holly took nursing at, and I can't seem to find it? I am examining a possible link to another case. TIA

Carla Lashelle
07-11-2011, 01:25 PM
Can someone please help me?

I am trying to determine what school it was that Holly took nursing at, and I can't seem to find it? I am examining a possible link to another case. TIA


From this article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42588547/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/


"Bud Grimes, a spokesman for the University of Tennessee at Martin, said Bobo was studying to be a licensed practical nurse through the Tennessee Technology Center. She was taking classes at the university's extension campus in Parsons, but was not a UT-Martin student."

Been discussed a bit here in the past with pics of the campus (single building and parking lot) etc.

Silver~Bell
07-11-2011, 01:58 PM
It is just a feeling, no way to prove this at all, but this sad case reminds me of the ordeal of the Groene's and even of the Smart's, in that in the first case they were zeroed in on by a total stranger from far away, in the second case an aquaintance, both certainly "survivalist" types (in their minds, anyway). It feels even more like the Groene's case than the Smart's, in my gut.

This person wearing cammo, lurking in the woods, going into the woods, violent, etc - for some reason it gives me a feeling he took her and has her somewheres. I think Dr. Hog's post about the person having run-ins likely with game wardens is VERY IMPORTANT and should be checked by LE.

iluvmua
07-11-2011, 02:18 PM
At this rate (being almost 3 months) would her body be bones by now?

What's even sadder is that there was at least once where there was speculation that she was found alive. :(

I will be shocked if she is somehow still alive and I will be even more shocked if the person who did this was a stranger.

liljim
07-11-2011, 02:25 PM
yep pretty sad , i remember strongly feeling that LE almost had it solved but were just proceeding carefully... and thinking if only they would release some details of evidence they have then maybe i would be reassured...

and now i dont think that they have any clue what happened at all, and i dont think any of the evidence has been of any significant help in the investigation at all.

:(

OldSteve
07-11-2011, 02:37 PM
Some posts on Will Nunley's twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/willnunley


"During the search, investigators received a phone tip which led them to a "significant" piece of evident.
Investigators have yet to release what the evidence is citing the ongoing investigation to her abduction."

http://www.wkrn.com/story/15056433/holly-bobos-family-vows-never-to-give-up

Carla Lashelle
07-11-2011, 03:02 PM
At this rate (being almost 3 months) would her body be bones by now?

What's even sadder is that there was at least once where there was speculation that she was found alive. :(

I will be shocked if she is somehow still alive and I will be even more shocked if the person who did this was a stranger.

In the warm weather now it would be skeletonized in a week or so, let alone 3 months

Eileen730
07-11-2011, 03:07 PM
http://www.wkrn.com/category/175880/video-landing-page?redirected=true

This is the recent interview of the Bobo's.

Listen to dad, he says We will be there (looking over) he changes it to Looking for...YOU
I found that very interesting. JMO

goldiegirl
07-11-2011, 03:55 PM
http://www.wkrn.com/category/175880/video-landing-page?redirected=true

This is the recent interview of the Bobo's.

Listen to dad, he says We will be there (looking over) he changes it to Looking for...YOU
I found that very interesting. JMO

Are you referring to the part at about :42? I didn't hear it this way. I replayed it several times and just heard/saw "We search day and night for her. We'll be there looking over - looking for her from now until however long it takes."

I didn't find anything odd about this. I think he just stumbled over his words a bit when he said "over," which didn't really make sense, then he changed it to "her." It would be hard to talk about something like this on camera in just a few sentences when there are so many feelings that have built up over the last few months. Although they haven't been in the media much, they've probably rehashed this with loved ones and in their own heads a billion times by now, and it can be awkward to be asked to recite the situation on the spot like that and put it in a few words.

Eileen730
07-11-2011, 03:58 PM
Are you referring to the part at about :42? I didn't hear it this way. I replayed it several times and just heard/saw "We search day and night for her. We'll be there looking over - looking for her from now until how ever long it takes."

I didn't find anything odd about this. I think he just stumbled over his words a bit when he said "over," which didn't really make sense, then he changed it to "her." It would be hard to talk about something like this on camera in just a few sentences when there are so many feelings that have built up over the last few months. Although they haven't been in the media much, they've probably rehashed this with loved ones and in their own heads a billion times by now, and it can be awkward to be asked to recite the situation on the spot like that and put it in a few words.

Well i heard him say looking over! And i found it very interesting!
We always listen to hear past tense when these ppl do interviews.

He says looking over then shakes his head (ibelieve) and changes to looking for.
Looking over her means something diff from looking for!!!! JMO

goldiegirl
07-11-2011, 04:03 PM
Well i heard him say looking over! And i found it very interesting!
We always listen to hear past tense when these ppl do interviews.

He says looking over then shakes his head (ibelieve) and changes to looking for.
Looking over her means something diff from looking for!!!! JMO

Yes, he definitely did say looking over. I was just saying I thought he just stumbled over his words. Interesting to hear a different perspective on it, though. What do you think "over" could mean?

tfrohning
07-11-2011, 04:16 PM
Might been posted already
Holly Bobo: 'Holly Across America' Campaign Kicks Off Tuesday
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979612477

Eileen730
07-11-2011, 04:20 PM
Yes, he definitely did say looking over. I was just saying I thought he just stumbled over his words. Interesting to hear a different perspective on it, though. What do you think "over" could mean?

I believe they know she is deceased. and i think LE knows who did it and are just waiting for the person to lead them to Holly.

I think they will find her near her home...

JMO

Eileen730
07-11-2011, 04:33 PM
yep pretty sad , i remember strongly feeling that LE almost had it solved but were just proceeding carefully... and thinking if only they would release some details of evidence they have then maybe i would be reassured...

and now i dont think that they have any clue what happened at all, and i dont think any of the evidence has been of any significant help in the investigation at all.

:(

Oh i think they do have a clue!
I believe they ruled out all the bf's the friends the neighbors, the so's.

I think they went back to the beginning where it all happened.
JMO

tfrohning
07-11-2011, 04:34 PM
I going to put this link here.
Missing Tennessee Girl Found Prostituting in Georgia
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979600905

goldiegirl
07-11-2011, 06:30 PM
I going to put this link here.
Missing Tennessee Girl Found Prostituting in Georgia
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979600905

Hmmmm.... very interesting

TxLady2
07-11-2011, 09:48 PM
Well i heard him say looking over! And i found it very interesting!
We always listen to hear past tense when these ppl do interviews.

He says looking over then shakes his head (ibelieve) and changes to looking for.
Looking over her means something diff from looking for!!!! JMO

I sure don't see anything odd about that sentence, he just misspoke and then corrected it. Besides, "looking over" with the "will be" preceding it is future tense, not past tense.

Eileen730
07-11-2011, 10:24 PM
I sure don't see anything odd about that sentence, he just misspoke and then corrected it. Besides, "looking over" with the "will be" preceding it is future tense, not past tense.

Well it sure caught my ear is all... and i thought it strange JMO

Looking over and looking for mean 2 diff things to me.

Frogzilla
07-11-2011, 11:06 PM
Holly Bobo: 'Holly Across America' Campaign Kicks Off Tuesday
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979612477

So, is anyone ready for another version of events that morning?

Holly, 20, went missing April 13. A man dressed in camouflage led her into the woods. Her brother, Clint Bobo, was looking out the window of their family home and thought the man was her boyfriend.

There has been some question about who called 911. Within moments their mother, Karen Bobo, received a phone call at work from a neighbor who said she heard a woman scream.

Family friend Tammy White said Karen immediately called 911 then called Clint. Clint went outside and saw blood on the ground. He immediately called 911 and ran to try to find his sister.

This other story was reported five days ago-
http://www.wmctv.com/story/15037152/three-months-later-what-happened-to-holly-bobo

Wyatt said Clint Bobo called his mother first. She then called 911. Soon after, people were searching the wooded area around the Bobo family's house.

Frogzilla
07-12-2011, 12:23 AM
Holly Bobo: Boyfriend will likely search for Holly on his birthday
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-boyfriend-will-likely-search-for-holly-on-his-birthday

As Wednesday approaches family friend Tammy White said, “It’s going to be a hard day. He’ll [Drew] be out searching for Holly, I’m sure. That’s what he does with most of his free time. He and his friends go searching together.”

The past few months have been very difficult for Drew and for the small community of Darden. Two weeks before Holly went missing Drew’s best friend, Brennan Duke, was killed in a car accident. He was only 19 at the time. It’s a lot for anyone to handle, let alone someone who’s only 20 years old.
The fact that Holly’s older brother, Clint Bobo, believed Drew was the man dressed in camouflage who led Holly into the woods has made it all that much harder on both of them.

It is believed Holly was abducted by a stranger the morning she vanished. Clint and Drew, as well as family and friends, have suffered Holly’s absence from their lives and are doing everything they can to bring her home.

BeanE
07-12-2011, 08:13 AM
Press conference at noon today w/family and new pic of Holly w/no makeup will be released

http://www.wsmv.com/story/15064602/new-holly-bobo-picture-to-be-unveiled-tuesday?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

BeanE
07-12-2011, 08:15 AM
Holly Bobo: 'Holly Across America' Campaign Kicks Off Tuesday
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979612477

So, is anyone ready for another version of events that morning?

Holly, 20, went missing April 13. A man dressed in camouflage led her into the woods. Her brother, Clint Bobo, was looking out the window of their family home and thought the man was her boyfriend.

There has been some question about who called 911. Within moments their mother, Karen Bobo, received a phone call at work from a neighbor who said she heard a woman scream.

Family friend Tammy White said Karen immediately called 911 then called Clint. Clint went outside and saw blood on the ground. He immediately called 911 and ran to try to find his sister.

This other story was reported five days ago-
http://www.wmctv.com/story/15037152/three-months-later-what-happened-to-holly-bobo

Wyatt said Clint Bobo called his mother first. She then called 911. Soon after, people were searching the wooded area around the Bobo family's house.

Gather is a tabloidesque pay-for-clicks blog. I could say a lot about that particular blogger and the shenanigans she gets up to, but... I'd be banninated. :silenced:

Examiner, Suite101, and now About.com are all also pay-for-clicks blogs.

I hover my mouse over links to see the URL before clicking, because I want to make sure I don't click on pay-for-clicks blogs and contribute to the exploitation of victims and their families.

My Soapbox o' the Day. :)

mag84
07-12-2011, 12:02 PM
Gather is a tabloidesque pay-for-clicks blog. I could say a lot about that particular blogger and the shenanigans she gets up to, but... I'd be banninated. :silenced:

Examiner, Suite101, and now About.com are all also pay-for-clicks blogs.

I hover my mouse over links to see the URL before clicking, because I want to make sure I don't click on pay-for-clicks blogs and contribute to the exploitation of victims and their families.

My Soapbox o' the Day. :)
I didn't think we were supposed to post links to those...um..."blogs", or am I mistaken? I refuse to post a link to them, and refuse to click on them, and as BeanE states rather nicely, there are some really unsavory individuals claiming to be "journalists" on these sites for nothing but their own benefit and profit. And most to all of what some of them post are gleaned from real MSM sources with their own "twist" on it to make it sound like they have inside information, when mostly it can be at best IMHO storytelling. What's really sad is they come up in a Google search as "news" and many people who don't know better believe it. :maddening:

mountainguy777
07-12-2011, 12:48 PM
Press conference at noon today w/family and new pic of Holly w/no makeup will be released

http://www.wsmv.com/story/15064602/new-holly-bobo-picture-to-be-unveiled-tuesday?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed


This would have made alot more sense in the days after her disapearence. Imo.

BeanE
07-12-2011, 01:03 PM
I updated Holly's Twitter archive. It's all the tweets from reporters and news stations.

Will Nunley just tweeted about the decals, and there are pictures of them.

http://keepstream.com/CaseSignal/holly-bobo-case-tweets

Carla Lashelle
07-12-2011, 03:44 PM
From wmctv wtih the new missing poster/image

http://www.wmctv.com/story/15064602/new-holly-bobo-picture-to-be-unveiled-tuesday

shefner
07-12-2011, 04:08 PM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/14959680/investigators-take-new-approach-to-finding-holly-bobo

Somehow I overlooked the mention of "blood on a car" in Holly's carport. Have we heard this before?

norest4thewicked
07-12-2011, 05:09 PM
Just saw on our local news here that the family is putting a new photo of Holly out of her not wearing makeup and this photo will be put on several trucks to try to get her face out there. I sure hope this helps!

Dr. Know?
07-12-2011, 05:24 PM
That's news to me Shefner. Might be a reporting error?

samsmom
07-12-2011, 06:14 PM
The news source mentioned above (wmctv.com) said we will hear from Holly's mother and brother at 10:00 pm central time. It might be old footage, but I wanted to update those interested. NBC News channel 5, Memphis.
They spoke about the posters on trucks as well.

OldSteve
07-12-2011, 06:54 PM
This would have made alot more sense in the days after her disapearence. Imo.

Agree! Also wonder if they will update flyers as well with this new photo?

I thought the decal (correct me if I'm wrong) was going to be given free to some/all? trucking concerns who want them, but otherwise there is a charge to cover costs...


"The large posters are $25.50, and the smaller decals cost $5.50. Tax and shipping are extra"
http://fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wztv_vid_8491.shtml

Is there any significance that this campaign is directed at trucking - do they think Holly is being held by a trucker and/or is being moved around the country with him?

shefner
07-12-2011, 07:10 PM
Agree! Also wonder if they will update flyers as well with this new photo?

I thought the decal (correct me if I'm wrong) was going to be given free to some/all? trucking concerns who want them, but otherwise there is a charge to cover costs...


"The large posters are $25.50, and the smaller decals cost $5.50. Tax and shipping are extra"
http://fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wztv_vid_8491.shtml

Is there any significance that this campaign is directed at trucking - do they think Holly is being held by a trucker and/or is being moved around the country with him?

Sorry, but who is going to pay $26 plus shipping for one of these posters?

iluvmua
07-12-2011, 07:11 PM
I don't know how the new posters are going to help since Holly is most likely gone. :( I don't know why they didn't do this at the very beginning of the search when Holly might possibly still be alive and not three months later.

iluvmua
07-12-2011, 07:14 PM
Agree! Also wonder if they will update flyers as well with this new photo?

I thought the decal (correct me if I'm wrong) was going to be given free to some/all? trucking concerns who want them, but otherwise there is a charge to cover costs...


"The large posters are $25.50, and the smaller decals cost $5.50. Tax and shipping are extra"
http://fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wztv_vid_8491.shtml

Is there any significance that this campaign is directed at trucking - do they think Holly is being held by a trucker and/or is being moved around the country with him?

No, I think it's more to get the word out that Holly has been abducted.
They think whoever the perp(s) are they are local.

Her house is in a very secluded wooded area, you would have to pretty much know where she lives/ woods around her home in order to find her house.

BeanE
07-12-2011, 07:28 PM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/14959680/investigators-take-new-approach-to-finding-holly-bobo

Somehow I overlooked the mention of "blood on a car" in Holly's carport. Have we heard this before?

Good catch! Never noticed that.

BeanE
07-12-2011, 07:36 PM
Is there any significance that this campaign is directed at trucking - do they think Holly is being held by a trucker and/or is being moved around the country with him?

This campaign is Holly Bobo Across America, to spread her pic and info across the country.

There are several missing child organizations who've fairly recently been trying to get something going with truckers where they put posters on their trucks, and hand them out at truck stops, and give them to other truckers to do the same.

It's because they go all across the country, and fairly quickly, and have good communication with each other. It's a big network that's just sitting there and can be used to spread the word country-wide. Especially good if there's a known vehicle.

Frogzilla
07-12-2011, 09:10 PM
Gather is a tabloidesque pay-for-clicks blog. I could say a lot about that particular blogger and the shenanigans she gets up to, but... I'd be banninated. :silenced:

Examiner, Suite101, and now About.com are all also pay-for-clicks blogs.

I hover my mouse over links to see the URL before clicking, because I want to make sure I don't click on pay-for-clicks blogs and contribute to the exploitation of victims and their families.

My Soapbox o' the Day. :)
BeanE, I would first like to say thanks for all of your contributions to this thread, your website is also helpful. I cannot disagree with you that some bloggers are just out there to make a name for themselves, but let's get a reality check about this. First, this case is unique in regards to the limited information out there being twisted to suit whoever's fancy any given day writing about this case. These bloggers you are talking about make a dollar per article if they are lucky, not like this is a real job, because if it was everybody would be doing it. If somebody is being paid money that i am not giving away and they are keeping awareness about a story i am interested in, why should I concern myself? In fact, there has been many complaints as this case has progressed that nobody is talking to keep awareness. Also, this case has little known facts other than HB is missing,so no matter who the author or source is for information, it's a guessing game. Also, this blogger knows how to spell, unlike some MSM out there.
In conclusion, if ONE person found out about HB story from these bloggers, and that one person told somebody else and so on down the line, maybe A LOT of people are aware because of these articles. So a tabloidesque blogger full of shenanigans who has made maybe ten dollars since this story broke isn't worth the trouble, even if they made one person aware of this story?

Silkprint
07-12-2011, 10:15 PM
You have to scroll to the bottom
Poor Holly ..I feel so bad every day there is no news ..hope you are okay hun

http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-504083_162-504083.html?tag=hdr

Silkprint
07-12-2011, 10:16 PM
CBS/WREG/AP) PARSONS, Tenn. - The investigation into the disappearance of 20-year-old nursing student Holly Bobo is still a missing persons case, not a homicide, authorities said, three months after the nursing student was apparently abducted from her central Tennessee home.


Pictures: Holly Bobo Missing


Karen Bobo, Holly's mother, says the family has to keep believing and hoping for the best, Nashville station WRKN reports.


"It seems like it gets harder every day, but we are not giving up," Karen Bobo told the station. "We have to keep believing and keep hoping and we do."