NJ NJ - Blairstown "Princess Doe", WhtFem 36UFNJ, 14-18, Jul'82 [Archive] - Page 2

nola

12-27-2010, 11:28 PM

That would be great news---mitochondrial DNA could be obtained and entered into CODIS making these types of comparison much easier. Wonder if that has occurred for Karen and Michael?

Kiln Wood

05-06-2011, 01:32 AM

Bumping up! Does anyone have an update?

chaddylex

11-18-2011, 02:20 PM

Any new on Princess Jane Doe?

Here is her NamUs file, last modified in Sept. https://identifyus.org/cases/1513

The only rule out on this page is Judith O'Donnell

I know Cynthia Gastelle is being checked about being a Jane Doe found in VA but what do you think of being a possible match for Princess Jane Doe? I know they are waiting for DNA from Cynthia's family http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gastelle_cynthia.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6111/37/

I wish we could have some dental info for Cynthia...

amber1

12-03-2011, 09:56 PM

I have read that Princess Doe is thought to have been from Long Island, New York. A prostitute who has claimed to witness the murder of Princess Doe claimed they worked together as prostitutes, and she mentioned she was from the New York area. The woman claimed Princess Doe was naiive, and didn't belong in the business of prostitution (read more at www.amw.com - search cases under Princess Doe). I believe Princess Doe was really from the New York area and never was reported missing, which is why a match has yet to be made. I search all New York's missing persons, and I got nothing.

amber1

12-03-2011, 09:56 PM

I will later post the top matches i have came up with both from New York and not from NEw York.

Angie4b1g

12-04-2011, 08:07 AM

The clothes she was wearing definitely don't look prostitute-ish.

amber1

03-02-2012, 01:32 AM

The clothes she was wearing definitely don't look prostitute-ish.

i must agree. maybe she tried to find a way out and was killed for it, THOUSANDS of young girls run away and get sucked into prostitution. She seems to be one of them

amber1

03-02-2012, 01:43 AM

any updates on Karen Reinert and Princess Doe????
They look so much alike!
Karen's whole case is out of the ordinary, i think she could be princess doe, i really do i have not seen a closer match, and i've been working this one as a doe network member

CarlK90245

03-02-2012, 02:16 AM

any updates on Karen Reinert and Princess Doe????
They look so much alike!
Karen's whole case is out of the ordinary, i think she could be princess doe, i really do i have not seen a closer match, and i've been working this one as a doe network member

I don't know if that ever got resolved. It was quite a long-shot, and after a couple of tries, I stopped following-up.

CarlK90245

03-02-2012, 01:55 PM

I just noticed this on the AMW write-up for Princess Doe. She has very distinctive dentals that one would definitely recognize in smiling photographs.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=44823

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Postmortem%20Photos/2604009990045078242S600x600Q851_zpsf36a5e4d.jpg

There is a very noticeable slant in the biting edge of her #8 upper-right central incisor.

Looking at the official NCMEC facial reconstruction of Princess Doe, it looks like their representation of her smile is inaccurate:

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Facial%20Reconstructions%20002/2517471880045078242S425x425Q851_zpsad4f1850.jpg

Also, looking again at Karen Reinert, it would raise significant doubt that she is Princess Doe. (even taking into account her age and possibility that her teeth may shift a little in her early teens).

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2807643090045078242S600x600Q851_zpse3f35c91.jpg

amber1

03-02-2012, 11:45 PM

This is very true. There are so many possible matches submitted to doenetwork, and if the missing person has something a little off, they decline the match. I wish they would realize composites are an improvisation of the person, not exact. I can't tell you how many i have taken into my own hands to follow up on and submit with LE myself.
Not trying to slam them, the organization is awesome.
But yes, the composite does look off this is huge in matching wish i would have seen it earlier thank you!

CarlK90245

03-03-2012, 02:53 AM

I had forgotten that Princess Doe's face was beaten prior to her death, so that #8 tooth is probably broken as a result of the beating. And the #9 looks like it might be broken off as well. Her #8 and #9 probably didn't look like that prior to her death.

But nevertheless, the gap that you see between Karen Reinert's #9 and #10 isn't there on the skull.

amber1

03-03-2012, 04:50 PM

maybe her teeth are right than on the composite?

CarlK90245

03-03-2012, 06:06 PM

maybe her teeth are right than on the composite?

More or less, but I wouldn't focus too much on the artist's representation of her upper teeth, other than that they are straight and have no gaps. The lowers are a little crooked, but you rarely see the lower teeth in an MP's smiling photo.

If you want to compare an MP's teeth, you are better off comparing the teeth in the partial skull (except the 8 & 9).

amber1

03-05-2012, 12:38 AM

thanks!
not to take away convo on our princess doe, but have you ever worked on lake Pontchartrain jane doe from la?

lioness65

04-24-2012, 01:52 PM

I just seen that a Barbara Bruno was missing since June 1980 I feel is a striking resemblence. She has just been added in July 5, 2011 early close to the time. She is rumored to have gone to New York City or California. The details are similar, her description is too close to over look. What do you sleuthers think????????

lioness65

04-24-2012, 02:58 PM

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/11582/2

CarlK90245

04-24-2012, 03:07 PM

Barbara would have been 20 at the time of PD's death. That's a little bit too old compared to PD's 14-18 estimate. Age estimates for teens and children tend to be much more accurate than those for persons older than mid-20's.

BTW, that photo of Barbara in NamUs was taken in 1976 (i.e., when she was about 14, and 4 years prior to her disappearance)

lioness65

04-24-2012, 03:10 PM

Barbara Bruno is not on Doe network yet but she is on Namus. The physical description is right on, circumstances of her leaving and I always thought that Princess doe just was not added yet by law enforcment as a missing person. I cannot figure out how to do a comparison side by side?

lioness65

04-24-2012, 03:12 PM

Princessdoe.org states up to twenty considering her state when found.

lioness65

04-24-2012, 03:13 PM

Carl emphasis on the chin????????? i dunno I just think it was a possible match.

CarlK90245

04-24-2012, 04:32 PM

Carl emphasis on the chin????????? i dunno I just think it was a possible match.

Could be. If you feel strongly enough about it, you can drop an e-mail to Lori Bruski of U of North Texas (i.e., the case manager of Barbara's NamUs case file).

e-mail: Lori.Bruski@unthsc.edu
Tel: 817-718-7904

traacker13

04-25-2012, 11:01 AM

I know that the dates are off, but I can't help but notice the image of the teeth that Carl posted and Shirley Ann McBride's teeth.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/311dfnh.html
Carl, do you think Shirley's teeth look similar to Princess Does?

CarlK90245

04-25-2012, 11:22 AM

As I mentioned a few posts down from the image that I posted, Princess Doe's two front teeth were probably broken as a result of the beating that she sustained.

But even if that wasn't the case, the chips in Shirley's teeth don't quite look the same as the breaks in Princess Doe's teeth. Shirley's upper-right-front (#8) has a small chip from the inner corner, PD's break runs the entire width of her #8

tamar

04-25-2012, 05:56 PM

Carl, is it possible that due to a beating that a tooth/teeth was/were driven up into the bone instead of breaking, and the angle of the displacement lessens a gap? The tooth appears too smooth to be recently broken.

CarlK90245

04-25-2012, 07:20 PM

Carl, is it possible that due to a beating that a tooth/teeth was/were driven up into the bone instead of breaking, and the angle of the displacement lessens a gap? The tooth appears too smooth to be recently broken.

I suppose, but that doesn't seem to be typical of what happens. She would have had to have been hit by an upswing striking the tooth straight onto the biting edge. The edge of the tooth socket on her #8 is splintered. But it seems to me that an injury like you describe would do far more damage to the edge of the socket.

Pdoe

07-13-2012, 08:44 PM

There will be a memorial service held on Sunday, July 15th 2012 to mark the 30th anniversary of Princess Doe being discovered. The memorial will be held at the Cedar Ridge Cemetery in Blairstown, NJ at noon time. www.princessdoe.org (http://www.princessdoe.org) for additional details.

Marilynilpa

07-14-2012, 04:24 AM

It will be interesting to find out what the new information is.

http://www.njherald.com/story/19019225/investigators-to-reveal-new-information-at-princess-doe-ceremony

amber1

07-16-2012, 10:36 AM

I think she was left handed being she only had nail polish on her right hand. I am right handed, and am terrible using my left hand, so I don't polish my right hand until I have my sister with me to do it!!
Maybe that could help with the search, not lots of leftys around.
Does anyone know of any recent rule outs for princess doe? Do you guys think she was ever reported missing?

amber1

07-16-2012, 10:43 AM

If you guys go on the princessdoe.org site, you can see the new reconstruction of her. Anyone know what the new news is?

Marilynilpa

07-16-2012, 11:39 AM

Here's the link to an article printed yesterday:

http://www.njherald.com/story/19029811/blairstown-cold-case-gets-warmer

Marilynilpa

07-16-2012, 12:35 PM

NamUs is still showing just 6 rule-outs on Princess Doe:

Donna Barnhill
Toni McNatt-Chiappetta
Judith ODonnell
Kathryn Quackenbush
Michele Reidenbach
Karen Zendrosky

I noticed Diane Dye is not listed as a rule-out. Wasn't she ruled out quite some time ago?

I think the "possible matches" list on the Princess Doe site was last updated in 2009, but I'm not certain.

Wanting2Help

07-16-2012, 12:55 PM

NamUs is still showing just 6 rule-outs on Princess Doe:

Donna Barnhill
Toni McNatt-Chiappetta
Judith ODonnell
Kathryn Quackenbush
Michele Reidenbach
Karen Zendrosky

I noticed Diane Dye is not listed as a rule-out. Wasn't she ruled out quite some time ago?

I think the "possible matches" list on the Princess Doe site was last updated in 2009, but I'm not certain.

Diane has been ruled out per this link... http://www.princessdoe.org/theory.html

Marilynilpa

07-16-2012, 01:40 PM

This is probably a dumb question, but why isn't Diane Dye ruled out on NamUs?

CarlK90245

07-16-2012, 01:46 PM

This is probably a dumb question, but why isn't Diane Dye ruled out on NamUs?

The NamUs rule-out lists reflect only those possible matches that have been brought forward via their automated matching system.

I believe that there is a means to insert a name onto the list without NamUs having suggested the name, but very few case managers do that.

If someone is ruled out via the normal LE investigative process (i.e., outside of NamUs), they don't usually put them on the NamUs rule-out list.

Marilynilpa

07-16-2012, 02:41 PM

The NamUs rule-out lists reflect only those possible matches that have been brought forward via their automated matching system.

I believe that there is a means to insert a name onto the list without NamUs having suggested the name, but very few case managers do that.

If someone is ruled out via the normal LE investigative process (i.e., outside of NamUs), they don't usually put them on the NamUs rule-out list.

Thank you for the information, that's good to know.

amber1

07-19-2012, 11:15 AM

NamUs is still showing just 6 rule-outs on Princess Doe:

Donna Barnhill
Toni McNatt-Chiappetta
Judith ODonnell
Kathryn Quackenbush
Michele Reidenbach
Karen Zendrosky

I noticed Diane Dye is not listed as a rule-out. Wasn't she ruled out quite some time ago?

I think the "possible matches" list on the Princess Doe site was last updated in 2009, but I'm not certain.
Princess Doe was actually tested and ruled out twice as being Diane Dye. And some girls on the PM list have turned up deceased, such as Alison Marie Mims

Angie4b1g

07-20-2012, 08:33 AM

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/07/30_years_later_unknown_girls_u.html

Last week, a forensics lab in Utah received 40 strands of the girl’s hair. Those locks contain the chemical composition of the water the girl was drinking for as long as her hair was growing.

Angie4b1g

07-20-2012, 08:34 AM

Also, that is not an "ankle length" skirt.

CarlK90245

07-20-2012, 10:35 AM

The princess Doe case was featured on CNN back in July to call attention to the new facial reconstruction.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Facial%20Reconstructions%20002/pd_3_small21_zps1eb6dfbd.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2012/07/15/nr-kaye-coldcase-3d-image.cnn

WhatANiceGirl

07-22-2012, 11:12 AM

http://www.wfmz.com/news/The-search-to-identify-Princess-Doe-in-NJ/-/121458/15524676/-/h6yaum/-/index.html

In this article it states that someone else's DNA has been identified on the remains! I didn't see where anyone else had pointed that out so sorry if that's a repeat fact! Fingers crossed that her perp was eventually caught for some crime and his DNA was taken. Princess was found almost a year before I was born, and would have been around my mother's age at the time of her death. I hope this is the break that will give her name back to her and return her to her family.

This is my first WS post so be easy on me! I have been lurking :lurk: for several years!

CarlK90245

07-22-2012, 11:28 AM

Thanks for joining, WhatANiceGirl, and :welcome: to Websleuths.

I wonder what form the DNA came in. Was it semen found in her body? or skin cells and/or blood on her body and clothing? I know you don't know the answer to that, but I'm just wondering aloud.

The fact that a male's DNA is on her body might not lead to much considering that she was believed to have been a prostitute.

amber1

07-23-2012, 08:55 AM

At least it's something after all these years! I hope they find out much more!

Soulmagent

07-24-2012, 12:42 AM

Thanks for joining, WhatANiceGirl, and :welcome: to Websleuths.

I wonder what form the DNA came in. Was it semen found in her body? or skin cells and/or blood on her body and clothing? I know you don't know the answer to that, but I'm just wondering aloud.

The fact that a male's DNA is on her body might not lead to much considering that she was believed to have been a prostitute.

Then again it could close solve more murders.

Seifert79

08-05-2012, 01:08 PM

"Identifying Princess Doe: 30 Years After She Was Slain, New Technology May ID Her and The Killer"

By Jaclyn Gallucci (http://www.longislandpress.com/author/jaclyngallucci/) on August 2nd, 2012
Long Island Press

This thorough article brings the read up-to-date on the complete history of the case, top-theories, and the career-long dedication of two NJ detectives who vow to one day solve her identity...

http://www.longislandpress.com/2012/08/02/identifying-princess-doe/

amber1

08-06-2012, 09:31 AM

Out of all the Pms on the Princess Doe Site, I have always thought Melinda Creech was a very good PM, just because her vital stats fit Princess Doe's, and the circumstances do as well-Melinda ran away-maybe she ran away to New YorK? Ended up in LI, met some pimp, and ended up in NJ? It's possible!
Or maybe she was never reported missing...
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/creech_melinda.html

Irish_Eyes

09-22-2012, 11:54 AM

Investigator Spiers on CNN RIGHT NOW talking about results from hair and tooth testing from Princess Doe. 3 people have told them they bought the same dress she was wearing in the Long Island area. Testing has made them focus on the possiblity that she could have lived in Arizona at some point in her early years. In the 18 months or so before she died she lived in both region 1 of the United States and region 2. (???) I'm typing fast and I missed exactly which region, which months, etc. He said they also recieved a tip about someone thinking she could be a missing person from Connecticut, so they're looking into that too, but he feels like they are getting closer.

carbuff

09-22-2012, 12:35 PM

I'm guessing the Connecticut woman they're looking at is Patricia Vaughan, 19, who went missing from Fairfield in May 1982. She's in NamUs at https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/3292/17/ and does resemble the reconstruction.

traacker13

09-22-2012, 04:35 PM

I can't figure out how to post her doe network page from my phone but I've always suspected that Amy Yachimec may be princess doe and now the test results of her teeth may point towards her as a possibility...

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2

Angie4b1g

09-23-2012, 07:55 PM

Hmm ya I can see Patricia fitting the reconstruction. Considering she's a year out the age range and 3" taller, I can even see why she might have been overlooked previously.

Angie4b1g

09-23-2012, 07:56 PM

Amy's page: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/yachimec_amy.html

airplanelamp

09-23-2012, 09:15 PM

I agree that Amy seems like a valid match. Note that she was wearing a thin gold necklace, as was PrincessDoe. And, She really does resemble the latest composite.

Angie4b1g

09-24-2012, 08:14 PM

Yes, especially her prominent cheeks.

chaddylex

09-25-2012, 10:42 AM

Okay I checked the Princess Doe website and Patricia Vaughan is not listed on the ruleout page. According to a Source at NamUs that CarlK knows, Patricia has no known dental work. On the Princess Doe website, it looks like she doesn't have any dental work either.

Attached are both a Picture of Patricia and the reconstruction of Princess Doe.

The heights are off between Princess Doe and Patricia by a few inches, but I believe the time frame and other characteristics could add up.

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I had compared Patricia to the girl found in a steamer truck in August 1982 in Frederick MD. She was ruled out from dentals.

What do you all think? I know someone else suggested Patricia, I think this could be a match!!

ThePhantom

09-25-2012, 10:45 AM

Oh my gosh, why hadn't anyone picked up on this already? Excellent find!!!!!!

chaddylex

09-25-2012, 10:59 AM

Oh my gosh, why hadn't anyone picked up on this already? Excellent find!!!!!!

I just looked at Princess Doe's NamUs page. It does say that she has had some dental work, a few fillings... UGH!! I still think this should be looked at.

I have seen mistakes in dental rule outs before!!

https://identifyus.org/cases/1513

Patricia isn't on the ruleout list in NamUs either.

chaddylex

09-25-2012, 12:32 PM

Here is an article that I found from yesterday. http://www.longislandpress.com/2012/09/24/tests-confirm-princess-doe-from-arizona-lived-on-long-island-2/

“We know that from 10 months to 7 months [prior to her death] she lived in a particular region of the United States which they refer to as Region 1, which covers a good portion of the northeast and some of the mid west,” said Speirs regarding the hair sample testing. “And then at approximately 7 months to 5 months what we discovered was that she was definitely transient. She went from one particular region of the United States to another which is Region 2. And for the last five months she was in Region 2 of the United States which puts her in the northeast area.”

Speirs said one of Princess Doe’s teeth was also sent out for isotope testing, which gave investigators an idea of where she spent her early life.

“We’ve determined that there’s a potential she could have come from the Midwest area meaning, quite honestly, Arizona is what we’re focusing on now,” said Speirs.

More at link

chaddylex

09-25-2012, 12:54 PM

I found a clearer picture of Amy Yachimec who has been mentioned as being Princess Doe.

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26905

I agree with Angie4b1g and airplanelamp about Amy Yachimec resembling Princess Doe... and Amy is from Arizona, where the above article states they are thinking Princess could be from.

Pdoe

09-25-2012, 02:31 PM

A segment about Princess Doe is supposed to air on Friday, September 28th on America's Most Wanted at 9pm EDT. AMW spent several days in Blairstown and the surrounding area producing the segment and also attended and filmed the 30th memorial service back in July. Please tune in!

chaddylex

09-25-2012, 02:34 PM

A segment about Princess Doe is supposed to air on Friday, September 28th on America's Most Wanted at 9pm EDT. AMW spent several days in Blairstown and the surrounding area producing the segment and also attended and filmed the 30th memorial service back in July. Please tune in!

Pdoe,

What is your take on Patricia Vaughan and Amy Yachimec possibly being Princess Doe? I check out your website quite often. Thanks for caring about her so much.

Angie4b1g

09-25-2012, 09:16 PM

I really really really really (really) think it's Amy.

carbuff

09-26-2012, 09:52 AM

Here is an article that I found from yesterday. http://www.longislandpress.com/2012/09/24/tests-confirm-princess-doe-from-arizona-lived-on-long-island-2/

“We know that from 10 months to 7 months [prior to her death] she lived in a particular region of the United States which they refer to as Region 1, which covers a good portion of the northeast and some of the mid west,” said Speirs regarding the hair sample testing. “And then at approximately 7 months to 5 months what we discovered was that she was definitely transient. She went from one particular region of the United States to another which is Region 2. And for the last five months she was in Region 2 of the United States which puts her in the northeast area.”

Speirs said one of Princess Doe’s teeth was also sent out for isotope testing, which gave investigators an idea of where she spent her early life.

“We’ve determined that there’s a potential she could have come from the Midwest area meaning, quite honestly, Arizona is what we’re focusing on now,” said Speirs.

More at link

I think their explanation could be a bit clearer. The last time I looked at a map, the "midwest" didn't include Arizona. And is the northeast in Region 1 or 2?

I wonder if he meant southwest instead of northeast when he was talking about region 1.

luxe115

09-26-2012, 10:01 AM

For something truly horrifying, check out the facebook page of the one, Mrs. Donna Kinlaw. She is the wife of Arthur Kinlaw who is the probable murderer of Princess. Scroll down through the posts. She has some upsetting stuff on there.
One of the posts is "How not to hide a body"????!??!?!?!?! Another she threatens the life of a co-worker. Real piece of work. I think she got off way to easy for her part in those murders. No justice for the victims. Sad.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/donna.kinlaw?sk=wall

carbuff

09-26-2012, 10:02 AM

I found a clearer picture of Amy Yachimec who has been mentioned as being Princess Doe.

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I agree with Angie4b1g and airplanelamp about Amy Yachimec resembling Princess Doe... and Amy is from Arizona, where the above article states they are thinking Princess could be from.

Amy fits rather well with the timeline developed from the hair, doesn't she? The beginning of November 1981 is 7 months before she was killed. Then in transit for a couple of months. If she arrived in Long Island in January, that's 5 months.

She's the right height, weight, age, coloring, has pierced ears...

chaddylex

09-26-2012, 10:08 AM

I think their explanation could be a bit clearer. The last time I looked at a map, the "midwest" didn't include Arizona. And is the northeast in Region 1 or 2?

I wonder if he meant southwest instead of northeast when he was talking about region 1.

Ha I thought about that too carbuff...

Pdoe

09-27-2012, 09:30 PM

Pdoe,

What is your take on Patricia Vaughan and Amy Yachimec possibly being Princess Doe? I check out your website quite often. Thanks for caring about her so much.

Amy definitely needs to be checked out. She fits in several categories. I will take a closer look at Patricia Vaughan.

Pdoe

09-27-2012, 09:31 PM

I think their explanation could be a bit clearer. The last time I looked at a map, the "midwest" didn't include Arizona. And is the northeast in Region 1 or 2?

I wonder if he meant southwest instead of northeast when he was talking about region 1.

I will make sure we get the information represented clearly on the website in the next week or two. There are a lot of different things going on at once and I need some time to get things sorted out. Thanks for your interest and patience!

carbuff

09-27-2012, 10:10 PM

I will make sure we get the information represented clearly on the website in the next week or two. There are a lot of different things going on at once and I need some time to get things sorted out. Thanks for your interest and patience!

Thank you for your prompt responses and attention to detail. :)

chaddylex

09-27-2012, 11:14 PM

I will make sure we get the information represented clearly on the website in the next week or two. There are a lot of different things going on at once and I need some time to get things sorted out. Thanks for your interest and patience!

It's awesome that you have a website for this poor girl. I hope she is identified soon.

Aphra

10-11-2012, 10:13 PM

I definitely think it could be Amy Yachimec! Everything fits. Age, weight, height, everything. The resemblance is uncanny--in fact, when I pulled up Amy's photo and compared it to Princess Doe, I got chills.

amber1

10-11-2012, 11:33 PM

Wouldnt it be something if it was Amy??
Has this been submitted yet?

Aphra

10-12-2012, 07:51 PM

I'm not sure if it's been submitted. I do know that if you put all of the parameters of what we now know about Princess Doe--probably missing from Arizona circa '81 or '82, 14-18 yrs. old, 5-5'3, 98-120 lbs.---into NAMUS, Amy is the only result that comes up. Hopefully someone from LE will eventually check NAMUS out. If they haven't, they're not doing their job, IMO.

Wanting2Help

10-15-2012, 01:24 PM

Amy definitely needs to be checked out. She fits in several categories. I will take a closer look at Patricia Vaughan.

Pdoe, Did you submit Amy Y or should someone here do it?

TIA

amber1

10-27-2012, 11:04 AM

I have been watching Breaking Amish lately on TLC (lol), and I have wondered, is it possible Jane Doe was on her rumspringa passage from her community?
Rumspringa is where the amish teens leave their homes at age 16 to experiment with the outside world to see what path they want to take. Some return, and others do no because they want to live a "normal" life. Sadly, it's hard to be out on your own without family, many found it hard to support themselves, so some turn to selling drugs or prostitution to support themselves. (At this point, the family shuns them, so it can be seen as the point of no return after they have made their decision). I just have always wondered that. It would make sense why no one has stepped forward to claim her, and I remember her cross jewelery and her different attire. I do not think he outfit is "amish", but perhaps it's something someone with a background in the culture would choose to wear.
I know it may seem kind of far fetch'd, but it was just an idea that popped into my head, thought I'd share it(: I know they mentioned she was from the Long Island , NY area, so it is very possible she became estranged from her family, and they just never stepped forward to see what happened to her.

summer_breeze

11-03-2012, 05:48 PM

http://www.portlanddailysun.me/index.php/newsx/local-news/7790-princess-doe-murder-case-revived-with-fresh-leads

Published Date Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:46 Written by Timothy Gillis

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Isotope analysis of her hair by Isoforensics Lab in Salt Lake City indicate that she is either from the Midwest or Northeast. (Study of the isotopes in hair will reveal where she was in the last year of her life.) The evidence suggests she was a transient, police officials say, moving from one geographic region to another until she ended up in New Jersey. Testing on a tooth by the University of South Florida revealed just this week that there's a 40 percent chance she's from Arizona, a 40 percent chance she's from the Northeast, and a 20 percent chance she's from elsewhere in the United States.

amber1

11-05-2012, 08:40 PM

**I think its very likely she is from the NE. But, does anyone know if her style of clothing is more common out west or midwest vs NE?

carbuff

11-06-2012, 02:36 PM

**I think its very likely she is from the NE. But, does anyone know if her style of clothing is more common out west or midwest vs NE?

It was very much in style in the MA/CT/RI area in 1982. Girls were wearing skirts then -- this is the kind of outfit she might have worn to the mall or a movie with friends, or to dinner at the grandparents' house, or applying for a job. My daughter was 9 and a tomboy at the time, but even she owned a skirt and top of this same general style.

The cross makes me think she's likely Catholic -- it's the kind that's often given for First Communion, and in 1982 it wasn't as common for people to wear crosses just as jewelry. Some in the goth/punk scene, but the other clothing doesn't fit with that.

Really, she looks like a 15-year-old on the way from mass to Sunday dinner at her grandmother's.

EveDallas

11-07-2012, 01:48 PM

My opinion is that she is from a small town within a small town, what I mean is that suppose she came from a small town in the middle of the US that you woould need a bus to travel to another town in order to go to school, work or movies.

amber1

11-07-2012, 08:14 PM

Makes me wonder how credible the info from the suspects are that she was from the long island ny area

MsWeatherwax

01-01-2013, 01:23 PM

Hi all. It's been a little while since I posted at WS, and I've just quickly skimmed this thread, so I'm hoping this hasn't been posted...apologies if that's not the case.

There's an update on this case from last September which I've just come across...apparently, this young lady may have originated from Arizona.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2012/09/24/tests-confirm-princess-doe-from-arizona-lived-on-long-island-2/

I know there's some amazing researchers on WS, and maybe the little extra information on her origins will be enough of a clue for someone out there.

Regards

MsW

amber1

01-01-2013, 09:38 PM

Has Amy Yachimec been looked into as Princess Doe??? She fits PD's profile and is from AZ.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/yachimec_amy.html

CarlK90245

01-01-2013, 11:18 PM

Has Amy Yachimec been looked into as Princess Doe??? She fits PD's profile and is from AZ.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/yachimec_amy.html

There's been quite a bit of discussion of Amy as a possible since the Arizona connection was brought to light. Authorities do have her name, but I don't know if there has ever been a positive rule-out.

amber1

01-01-2013, 11:45 PM

There's been quite a bit of discussion of Amy as a possible since the Arizona connection was brought to light. Authorities do have her name, but I don't know if there has ever been a positive rule-out.

I was wondering that same thing. Do you know how accurate the princessdoe.org website possible match list is? Because they have more rule outs on there than NAMUS, but i dont believe amy is ruled out on either site. I know PD's official site is not completely updated, because they have Alison Marie Mims still listed as a PM, and her remains were found a few years ago in AZ. I remember e-mailing the admin of the site about takin Alison of the list since her remains were found, but last time I checked it wasn't updated.
Would be nice to know!

OC Lady

03-10-2013, 03:09 PM

I think there is a resemblance to Sheryl Tillinghast...Sheryl is older than the age estimates but facially, I think they look very similar...right down to the space between the front teeth! Sheryl was heavier when she disappeared, but could have lost weight over the years...if she was traveling around...

sheryls profile in shown as complete and submitted

Does that automatically mean it is in CODIS? If so she's a rule out by default?

I feel so strongly about this...

OC Lady

03-12-2013, 12:32 PM

bumping for opinions???

deca

03-12-2013, 04:25 PM

here is a lot of in depth info about sheryl from her sister and niece, if it helps. It seems like a Detective in 2011 was looking at another Doe as a match.

Read all the comments after the blog entry.

http://charleyross.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/megan-emerick-and-sheryl-tillinghast/

CarlK90245

03-12-2013, 05:38 PM

here is a lot of in depth info about sheryl from her sister and niece, if it helps. It seems like a Detective in 2011 was looking at another Doe as a match.

Read all the comments after the blog entry.

http://charleyross.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/megan-emerick-and-sheryl-tillinghast/

:offtopic:
That Jane Doe from Nashville that the detective was looking into was either Hispanic or Native American. There are very clear postmortem photos of her, and even though they think her name might have been Sheryl or Cheryl, she is definitely not Cheryl Tillinghast.

EveDallas

03-14-2013, 11:43 AM

I know this soound strange but did the detectives send her pictures to churches throughout the United States, from the matter of the clothes she was wearing when she was found I believe BJD came from a very strict Christian household or attended a church like that were you could not wear makeup, pants

JillyNJ

04-13-2013, 05:51 PM

In the long list of possibles, does anyone know if Lisa Dickinson was ever looked at? I checked the chart on the princessdoe website and she was not listed on there.

Lisa Dickinson

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dickinson_lisa.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4537/0/

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/802dfca.html

Missing since September 5, 1976 from Walnut Creek, Contra Costa County, California.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: April 25, 1967
Age at Time of Disappearance: 9 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'10"; 80 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; blue eyes.
Clothing: She was last seen wearing a yellow crew-neck T-shirt with Snoopy and the word "Happiness" on the front, blue cutoff shorts and white leather, three-strapped sandals
Dentals: Available
Circumstances of Disappearance
Dickinson was last seen on September 5, 1976 in Walnut Creek, California. Lisa was last seen shortly after 19.00, while riding her bicycle near the Pleasant Hill station of the Bay- Area Rapid Transit. She left the home of her parents to find a shortcut through nearby Heather Farm Park to the Pleasant Hill BART station. The family had planned to take an excursion on BART the following day.
When she failed to return home police were notified.An intensive search was mounted. The only physical evidence turned up was the girl's abandoned bicycle, leaning against a tree at the north end of the park near the Contra Costa Canal. Foul play is suspected.

sam spade

05-03-2013, 11:54 PM

Forgive me if this young lady has been discussed before but I just can't get over how much 2 of her pics on doe network/charley look like the sketch of princess doe. Tell me what you think or if I'm fruit loops. Thanks, guys.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/parker_eleanor.html

joeytes

05-04-2013, 09:44 AM

I know this has been discussed before but this case is big in my part of the world,

At this point it is determined that the girl came from the Southwest USA.

She may have lived on Long Island NY for time.

All indications lead to Amy Yachimec who dissappeared from Arizona in 1981.

I believe her family, friends and Law Enforcement are more than aware of this.

It's more than about identifying the girl and proving that it is her. It is about solving the murder.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/yachimec_amy.html

http://www.princessdoe.org/

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/express-times/index.ssf/2012/09/new_tests_reveal_new_details_a.html

JillyNJ

05-04-2013, 10:43 PM

In the long list of possibles, does anyone know if Lisa Dickinson was ever looked at? I checked the chart on the princessdoe website and she was not listed on there.

Lisa Dickinson

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dickinson_lisa.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4537/0/

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/802dfca.html

Missing since September 5, 1976 from Walnut Creek, Contra Costa County, California.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: April 25, 1967
Age at Time of Disappearance: 9 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'10"; 80 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; blue eyes.
Clothing: She was last seen wearing a yellow crew-neck T-shirt with Snoopy and the word "Happiness" on the front, blue cutoff shorts and white leather, three-strapped sandals
Dentals: Available
Circumstances of Disappearance
Dickinson was last seen on September 5, 1976 in Walnut Creek, California. Lisa was last seen shortly after 19.00, while riding her bicycle near the Pleasant Hill station of the Bay- Area Rapid Transit. She left the home of her parents to find a shortcut through nearby Heather Farm Park to the Pleasant Hill BART station. The family had planned to take an excursion on BART the following day.
When she failed to return home police were notified.An intensive search was mounted. The only physical evidence turned up was the girl's abandoned bicycle, leaning against a tree at the north end of the park near the Contra Costa Canal. Foul play is suspected.

I submitted Lisa Dickinson to Pamela Reed with Namus. Couldn't wait anymore for opinions, I feel strongly about her.