Blairstown Princess Doe: Unidentified girl murdered July 1982 Blairstown, NJ

[Richard]

"Blairstown Princess Doe" Unidentified girl murdered July 1982 Blairstown, NJ

BLAIRSTOWN NJ UNIDENTIFIED GIRL
DOB: Jan 1, 1968 (Approximation)
Found: Jul 15, 1982
Age at time of discovery: 14 (Approximation)
Age Now: 36
Sex: Female
Race: White
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Unknown
Height: 5'2" (157 cm)
Weight: 110 lbs (50 kg)
Found: BLAIRSTOWN, NJ, United States
NCMEC-Unidentified

Circumstances:
On July 15, 1982, the remains of a white female were found at the north end of Cedar Ridge Cemetery on State Hwy 94, in Warren Co., NJ. This homicide victim, between 14 and 18 years of age, is believed to have been deceased for up to one week before her discovery. Her hair was shoulder-length. Her weight was estimated between 100 to 120 lbs. Her eye color couldn't be determined.

Clothing and Accessories:
She was wearing a red V-neck shirt with yellow piping on the front portion of the shoulder and blue and black piping around the neck, sleeves and waist. She had a wrap around skirt colored red, white and blue with a border print of peacocks on the lower portion. She had a gold chain with white beads and a 14K gold cross with ornate design.

The image shown in the linked poster is a computer-assisted facial reconstruction done by forensic artists at the NCMEC. The "DOB" and "Age" fields are approximations.

At one time, a woman called NCMEC and said she was working at a local motel (near Blairstown) when the "Princess" checked in - about two nights before she was probably murdered. She did not recall the name, but did recall "Princess" was looking to be a hotel maid and said her father was dentist and that she was a runaway from FL. Dental charts of "Princess" were compared with those of Emma Vaughn, a missing girl from Orlando, Florida, but there was no match.

ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT--
Warren County Prosecutor's Office (New Jersey), Attn.: Sgt. Steve Speirs Jr. -1-908-475-6624

Link
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=400028&orgPrefix=NCMU&searchLang=en_US

[shadowangel]

I thought that someone would have commented on this case, another of those that just boggle the mind....It is just so hard to understand that this girl has not been identifed. Her movements in the days and weeks before her death have been traced, and LE have even spoken to people in MD who had met her...
If anyone is travelling through the Blairstown, NJ area, I recommend stopping by the memorial erected to this young lady...

http://www.poconorecord.com/special/doe/doe1.htm for more info on the investigation

I've even been wondering if there's a connection to the young lady found in Caledonia NYa couple of years earlier (this story has its own thread)....Simlar age, build, general description, both disposed of in similar ways...There's been a lot of speculation about the racing connection, and Blairstown is about 30 miles from Long Pond PA and the Pocono Raceway-and July is prime racing time.....

[Fronkensteen]

This case has often been held up as a possible match to "Princess Doe":

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/129dfca.html

I am not sure if any DNA comparisons were done, or if she was ruled out in any other way.

[Rachael]

I can see the similarities between the two (from the first post and the last post pictures). Did LE ever look into the possibility of the NJ body being the girl from CA?

[Fronkensteen]

I can see the similarities between the two (from the first post and the last post pictures). Did LE ever look into the possibility of the NJ body being the girl from CA?
Thanks for your reply. It's been investigated, but I'm not sure if they were ever able to rule her out one way or the other.

[Rachael]

Thanks for your reply. I believe it's been investigated, but I'm not sure if they were ever able to rule her out one way or the other.


It says they have dental records for the girl from CA. I would think there is someway to identify the body.

[Fronkensteen]

It says they have dental records for the girl from CA. I would think there is someway to identify the body.You're right. However, I believe the results of the dental comparisons were inconclusive, meaning they couldn't definitively prove whether Diane was or wasn't Princess Doe.

[sharon25]

You're right. However, I believe the results of the dental comparisons were inconclusive, meaning they couldn't definitively prove whether Diane was or wasn't Princess Doe.
how odd,

I also thought that a woman name Diane (different than this Diane) looked similar to the
remains of the Jane Doe found in Caledonia NY.

Could that just be a coincidence?

[shadowangel]

In '99, DNA testing was conducted on Princess Doe, attempting a match to Diane Dye-the results were "inconlcusive". At one time, it was thought that she may have been an early victim of Joel Rifkin, the serial killer of 17 prostitutes in NY. However, no connection could be established. There were also several unsolved murders along I-80 during that time frame, indicating the possibility of an as-yet unknown serial killer at work.

[HesterMofet]

I'm thinking that given the age range for Princess Doe -- 14-18, she must've been in the latter half of that range. If she died in 82 and had been working since 79, that would make her 11 or 12 when she started work if she was 14 when she died. Highly unlikely unless she was an extremely mature child. When I was 12 I looked 16, but certainly didn't act it. My bet is that she was 17 or 18, just given the time span for working.

Make sense?

[Mullins]

I think I found a couple of the I 80 homocides you referred to---but do you have a list by chance? I would be interested to research further. If not that's ok I can continue to look....

I've noticed several in Montmouth County also. Blunt force traumas that might be comparable to Princess Doe's. Do you know if the ones along I 80 were gunshots or blunt force---or other?


In '99, DNA testing was conducted on Princess Doe, attempting a match to Diane Dye-the results were "inconlcusive". At one time, it was thought that she may have been an early victim of Joel Rifkin, the serial killer of 17 prostitutes in NY. However, no connection could be established. There were also several unsolved murders along I-80 during that time frame, indicating the possibility of an as-yet unknown serial killer at work.

[shadowangel]

I think I found a couple of the I 80 homocides you referred to---but do you have a list by chance? I would be interested to research further. If not that's ok I can continue to look....

I've noticed several in Montmouth County also. Blunt force traumas that might be comparable to Princess Doe's. Do you know if the ones along I 80 were gunshots or blunt force---or other?
Here are a few of the missing/unidentified's I found, there are more. I looked for possibles that were either located within a few miles of I-80 (NJ/PA) or missing from towns on I-80.
1976-white female found under I-80, White Haven PA strangled, shot in neck, dismembered and remains placed in suitcases
1978-Joanne Williams, missing from Scranton PA-car found on street near I-380, an I-80 to I-81 connector
1982-"Princess Doe", found in Blairstown NJ
1990-partial skeleton of 20-30 year old white female found in Wayne NJ, believed deceased in 1985
1990-15-22 year old white female found, Monroe PA, blunt force trauma
1991-"Tiger Lady", so named for tiger tatoo on leg, found Warren City NJ
1992-remains of 30-40 year old white female found dismembered, bagged and in suitcase, in Hackensack NJ
2002-remains of white female, 22-32 years old, found in Denville NJ
2004-Sherry Gallagher, 40 years old, missing from Wharton, NJ
2005-Marrissa Schiffert, 17, missing from Dumont NJ

I-80 connects with I-95, the "East Coast Highway", near Ft Lee NJ (just across the Hudson from NYC). It then travels west, crossing PA.

[Mullins]

This will be helpful thanks so much


Here are a few of the missing/unidentified's I found, there are more. I looked for possibles that were either located within a few miles of I-80 (NJ/PA) or missing from towns on I-80.
1976-white female found under I-80, White Haven PA strangled, shot in neck, dismembered and remains placed in suitcases
1978-Joanne Williams, missing from Scranton PA-car found on street near I-380, an I-80 to I-81 connector
1982-"Princess Doe", found in Blairstown NJ
1990-partial skeleton of 20-30 year old white female found in Wayne NJ, believed deceased in 1985
1990-15-22 year old white female found, Monroe PA, blunt force trauma
1991-"Tiger Lady", so named for tiger tatoo on leg, found Warren City NJ
1992-remains of 30-40 year old white female found dismembered, bagged and in suitcase, in Hackensack NJ
2002-remains of white female, 22-32 years old, found in Denville NJ
2004-Sherry Gallagher, 40 years old, missing from Wharton, NJ
2005-Marrissa Schiffert, 17, missing from Dumont NJ

I-80 connects with I-95, the "East Coast Highway", near Ft Lee NJ (just across the Hudson from NYC). It then travels west, crossing PA.

[Mullins]

I think so too and it looks like her manager/supervisor from Harrison Hall at Ocean City could have given some more details about that. I wonder if they did...I started a thread a while back on two girls that were missing runaways from Nashville TN (Shannon Elmore and Tanya Rogers) and the picture I have of Shannon from the newspaper looks so much like the computer generated composite of Princess Doe. I know it's a longshot but I would love to go back and research further --- haven't made it back to the TN Library and Archives though.


I'm thinking that given the age range for Princess Doe -- 14-18, she must've been in the latter half of that range. If she died in 82 and had been working since 79, that would make her 11 or 12 when she started work if she was 14 when she died. Highly unlikely unless she was an extremely mature child. When I was 12 I looked 16, but certainly didn't act it. My bet is that she was 17 or 18, just given the time span for working.

Make sense?

[smile22]

they said the dentals were inconclusive do they have dna on the california girl? that they could match up to princess doe?

[coco]

On a website it says that just the top half Princess Doe was found. Anyone know if thats right? I didn't think it was.

[shadowangel]

I know the site you're talking about, the site took some freedom with the facts (the statement about only half of her being found was based on the reconstruction of Princess Doe,from the waist up). It also confused Princess Doe with another unidentified female found nearby, confirmed to be a victim of Joel Rifkin (the victim's head was found in a bucket on a golf course, her lower torso found nearby some time later). Known only as "Susie", she is believed to be a prostitute from NYC. Her identity is still unknown.

[coco]

It also confused Princess Doe with another unidentified female found nearby, confirmed to be a victim of Joel Rifkin (the victim's head was found in a bucket on a golf course, her lower torso found nearby some time later). Known only as "Susie", she is believed to be a prostitute from NYC. Her identity is still unknown.

Was "Susie" the one who was supposed to have had AIDS? Or did I read that wrong?

[shadowangel]

"Was "Susie" the one who was supposed to have had AIDS? Or did I read that wrong?"

Yes, "Susie" was HIV positive.

[Mullins]

Which do you believe is the more accurate pictorial account of Princess Doe, the bust or the computer generated composite? I feel the latter, but appreciate the efforts put into constructing the bust. The bust does look like the image of someone who would've been older than the range of Princess Doe too IMO. What do you think?

[coco]

Were investigators able to find out if " Princess doe" had been sexually assualted or anything in that nature? Actually if they were able to determine if she had been sexually active full stop may be able to rule out her having been a prostitute, as had been speculated.

[Mullins]

I don't know if they collected evidence such as a rape kit, but I would say that they did due to the fact that she was found partially clothed. It would be helpful to know if LE suspected or determined sexual assault.

[shadowangel]

I'm just curious...Has Leah Van Schoick ever been looked at as a possible match to Princess Doe? She was reported as having last been seen in August of '82, however she was reported to have been living with a biker, so the accuracy of the information may be suspect. The age and general appearance is correct...and her family is from New Jersey. A possible scenario...she leaves the boyfriend to return home (or is working her way home, or simply wants to hide in familiar surroundings), and he catches up to her...this would explain the savagery of the beating which killed her.

The MD information has never been confirmed, and members of LE disagree as to whether or not Princess Doe was ever there.

Here is her Charley Project page:
http://charleyproject.org/cases/v/vanschoick_leah.html

Just thinking out loud.

[mere]

It looks really good, but the time does not match up.

[shadowangel]

Yeah, I know, this was a long-shot...I came across Schoick while checking out something entirely different. Not just the appearance, but the fact that she is originally from NJ caught my eye. There is just so little reported in the Schoick case, but from what little I can find I don't think she was in close contact with her family (17 and living in FL with a biker?) Could be, in my scenario, the boyfriend kills her in NJ in July, returns to FL, and a few weeks later starts asking around about her...I don't think she was hanging with a politically correct crowd.

[coco]

Shadowangel, this is definently more then worth looking into. Well done, good sleuthing! http://websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[mere]

I agree! Can someone from the Doenetwork look to see if this has been checked?

[shadowangel]

I forwarded all the info I could find on Ms. Schoick to the NJ State Police (since they are listed as the LE entity investigating her disappearance, they should have more info than I do!)

I detailed my scenario of what possibly occured. I will update with any response I receive.

[Mullins]

Earlier I asked the question of opinion as to whether folks on WS think that the bust or the computer generated composite more closely resembles Princess Doe. You found someone who resembles both.

Sure hope it pans out and I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[shadowangel]

Other than an automated e-mail response, I've heard nothing from the NJ state police. Does anyone recommend that I try again? I even included a link to Ms. Schoick's Charley Project page to make things easier for them. If they have already checked into and ruled out this possibility, is it too much for me to expect that they let me know this?

[Richard]

Other than an automated e-mail response, I've heard nothing from the NJ state police. Does anyone recommend that I try again? I even included a link to Ms. Schoick's Charley Project page to make things easier for them. If they have already checked into and ruled out this possibility, is it too much for me to expect that they let me know this?
If you don't get some sort of reply after a week or so, I would resend your initial message and ask for them to contact you.

[amandab]

Other than an automated e-mail response, I've heard nothing from the NJ state police. Does anyone recommend that I try again? I even included a link to Ms. Schoick's Charley Project page to make things easier for them. If they have already checked into and ruled out this possibility, is it too much for me to expect that they let me know this?

ShadowAngel-

I haven't followed this case before, and having read through the notes here, and comparing the photos you have shown, I would DEFINITELY keep after the NJ police.

The resemblance is stunning.

-Amanda

[gardenmom]

Are there any pictures of her jewelry? The way they describe them sounds like they are nice pieces, like something a parent would give a teen.

I am also confused as to why they didn't question the suspect from the cemetary. Bad police work on that one, I'm afraid. They need to find him and question him.

Also, was it shadowangel, you should forward your information on to the Vidocq society. It sounds like they can look into this for you if the police are not responding.

[Richard]

Are there any pictures of her jewelry? The way they describe them sounds like they are nice pieces, like something a parent would give a teen....
If you go to my origional post in this thread and select the link, you will be connected with NCMEC's poster of the girl. Next, use your screen controls to move to the right of her photo, and you will see more photos, including two of the chain and cross that she was wearing.

[shadowangel]

Still nothing from the NJ State Police, their UID section hasn't been updated since early July...

I did e-mail Doe Network today, the local Director was very quick in getting back to me. She said the discprepancy in the timeline could be explained by her situation, that the match had not yet been checked by the Doe Network, and that she would forward the information to Gerry Nance at NCMEC.
I'll keep ya posted.....

[shadowangel]

Bumping an updating, I will be in the area again later this week and plan to stop by Princess Doe's memorial. If I can get some pics, I will post them.

I have heard nothing new on the possible match. The NJ State Police website section on missing/UIDs has finally been updated. I e-mailed and called again, but still haven't gotten any response to my messages.

Aggravating, to say the least...I have heard from others who have also experienced a seeming lack of concern on the part of some LE. The websites say they need our help, but no one seems to want it. Even a response stating the matches have already been looked into or that there is some obvious (and legimate) reason that the match is not possible would be appreciated.

[shadowangel]

I HAVE HAD IT. HERE IS THE LEARNED RESPONSE FROM THE NJ STATE POLICE.

Mark,

Unfortunately this is not a match due to the dates:
Leah was last seen on August 15, 1982 in Florida.
The Unidentified was recovered in NJ on July 15, 1982 a month prior to her disappearance.

LIKE I DIDN'T ADDRESS THIS IN MY E-MAIL! SHE WAS DATING A BIKER WHO LE BELIEVE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DISAPPEARANCE!!!! GEE, HE AND HIS FRIENDS WOULDN'T HAVE REASON TO LIE ABOUT THE DATE!!!!!!!!!!!

[docwho3]

I HAVE HAD IT. HERE IS THE LEARNED RESPONSE FROM THE NJ STATE POLICE.

Mark,

Unfortunately this is not a match due to the dates:
Leah was last seen on August 15, 1982 in Florida.
The Unidentified was recovered in NJ on July 15, 1982 a month prior to her disappearance.

LIKE I DIDN'T ADDRESS THIS IN MY E-MAIL! SHE WAS DATING A BIKER WHO LE BELIEVE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DISAPPEARANCE!!!! GEE, HE AND HIS FRIENDS WOULDN'T HAVE REASON TO LIE ABOUT THE DATE!!!!!!!!!!!Sounds as if someone skimmed through without reading the details. Maybe try again?

[shadowangel]

I waited months the first time without any response. Then I resubmitted, to get this thoughtful and well investigated response weeks later. I also submitted this match to the Doe Network, the director I dealt with was much more receptive, I'll wait to see if anything happens there.

[Auggie21]

What about NCMEC?

NCMEC Cold Case Review Unit at 1-877-446-2632, ext. 6235 or 6295

[vanillasky]

Hang in there shadowangel.... I think you have a very good lead going there.... typical of someone to just skim over and not really READ what you said. :furious:

[Marilynilpa]

I waited months the first time without any response. Then I resubmitted, to get this thoughtful and well investigated response weeks later. I also submitted this match to the Doe Network, the director I dealt with was much more receptive, I'll wait to see if anything happens there.
It seems LE isn't always as interested in solving cold cases as they like to appear.

Just because the dates don't match certainly shouldn't rule out this being a match - if the last person to see her is also the likeliest murder suspect, you'd think LE would take that into consideration. He may have said it happened on August 15th because he has an alibi for that date!!:doh:

I admire your persistence, and understand your frustration!

[Richard]

I mentioned in my origional post about "Princess Doe" that her dental charts were compared with those of Emma Vaughn's and found to not be a match, but I thought that I would include my earlier post on Emma here for comparison's sake. Note how close in age, height, description, dates of disappearance, etc everything is. Also look at the photos. This is an example of how close something might seem, yet no match.

---------------------------------------------------------------
EMMA LORENE VAUGHN missing 10 July 1982 Orlando, FL
EMMA LORENE VAUGHN
Case Type: Endangered Missing
DOB: Nov 10, 1967
Sex: Female
Race: White
Height: 5'3" (160 cm)
Weight: 114 lbs (52 kg)
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Blue
Age when first missing: 14
Age Now: 36
Missing Date: Jul 10, 1982
Missing City: ORLANDO
Missing State : FL
Missing Country: United States
Case Number: NCMC905680

Circumstances: Emma, age 14, was last seen walking down Robinson Street in Orlando, Florida. She may have been seen in the general area after that time, but her whereabouts are currently unknown. When she was last seen her left front tooth was chipped and she had a tendency to bite her fingernails.

Link:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...earchLang=en_US (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=905680&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US)

[shadowangel]

Another one from Florida...I'm still fuming over the NJ state police just blowing off the Van Schoick lead.

Something about Emma's chipped tooth sure rings a bell...Have to think on that a while, but I definitely remember reading about an unknown female with a chipped tooth.

[PonderingThings]

Shadowangel I understand your frustration! It would seem as if this is a "perfect" match (except for the date last seen), based on the information we have to work with.

As you have pointed out, sometimes things look really good and then are proven to be not a match.

I think sometimes its because we only have limited information to deal with. In this case its possible the person that reported seeing her last is NOT her boyfriend, instead its someone with more credibility (such as a doctor or a social worker). Its possible it was that person who put her on a bus to New Jersey (just wild speculation on my part here) as she wanted out. We don't even know if she was planning to leave Florida.

Since New Jersey State Police are investigating BOTH cases, perhaps there is other, non released information, that points to a no match. The response could have been worded better, but maybe it was worded that way just so they wouldn't reveal any other evidence (such as who a strong witness is).

I, for one, do appreciate all your efforts on behalf of this Jane Doe and Leah. Being unofficial sleuths though does mean we have to deal with the very real possibility that the limited information has led us astray. It also means that all we can do is turn over the information to the authorities and let them decide if its worth pursueing.

Have you ever heard back from the Doe Network on this case?

[PonderingThings]

In case there is more than the date eliminating Leah here is another long shot I found.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/219dfco.html

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/36UFNJ.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/MBlee2.jpg


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/36UFNJ1.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/MBlee.jpg

Jane doe on left, Marie Blee on right

1. I think both the photo and reconstruction look like Marie.
2. Marie disappeared in November 1979, Princess Doe may have started work in Maryland in 1979 - appears to match, does anyone know when in 1979 Princess Doe may have worked in Maryland?
3. Marie was 15 when she disappeared, but would have been 18 in 1982, Princess Doe was estimated to be 14-20, that's a match.
4. Marie is listed as 5'3" - Princess Doe is 5'2"-5'4" - that's a match.
5. Marie had blonde hair, Princess Doe is listed as brown hair - a discrepancy but the photos do look to be a similiar hair color.
6. Marie disappeared from Colorado, Princess Doe was found in New Jersey - according to google that is 1,943 mi (about 1 day 9 hours). Although I usually take the distance into consideration, in this case, I don't think its an issue - if she ran away.
7. Although authorities originally thought Marie had run away, her parents are convinced that she would not. It is speculation, but I think it is possible that she saw a crime committed at the party and RAN. Her friend/date for that evening was arrested for trying to extort a ransom from Marie's parents, one week later. Who knows what else the people who attended the party were up to.
8. Law enforcement formed a task force and search for Marie in multiple places. It appears they are convinced her body is nearby. Is it possible they can't find her because she was in New Jersey?

[suzannec4444]

Hi
There is another Jane doe found on 80 in 1993 in Elko Nevada.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/125ufnv.html

I believe a family member said.Leah Jean VanShock was ruled out as Pricess Doe with DNA.

suzanne

[PonderingThings]

Another possible match

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1351dfwa.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1351dfwa.html)

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/36UFNJ.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/AMMeeker.jpg


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/36UFNJ1.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/AMMeeker1.jpg

Princess Doe left, Angela Mae Meeker on right

1. I think both the photo and reconstruction look like Angela.
2. Angela disappeared in July 1979, Princess Doe may have started work in Maryland in 1979 - appears to match, does anyone know when in 1979 Princess Doe may have worked in Maryland? 13 is very young to have gotten a job, but then, they knew she worked under several aliases, and had a history of running away - this might indicate "street smart" - so for now that's a possibility.
3. Angela had just turned 13 when she disappeared, but would have been 16 in 1982, Princess Doe was estimated to be 14-20, that's a match.
4. Angela is listed as 5'2" - Princess Doe is 5'2"-5'4" - that's a match.
5. Angela had dark blonde hair, Princess Doe is listed as brown hair - a discrepancy but Princess Doe does appear to have very light colored hair. Hard to say how dark Angela's hair was from the provided photos.
6. Angela disappeared from Tacoma, Washington. Princess Doe was found in New Jersey - according to google that is 2,875 mi (about 1 day 23 hours). Although I usually take the distance into consideration, in this case, I don't think its an issue - if she ran away.
7. LE originally believed that Angela ran away, as she had a history of running away. LE did not formally list Angela as a missing person until 2 years later.

[mjak]

What about this person
Maria Florence Anjiras Case file 1032DFCT Doe Network.
for some reason I can't attach the link here. sorry. maybe someone else can do it.
This person has been missing since 1976, but we know Princess Doe was around for many years prior to her death. As she was known to we working in Maryland and other locations. Maria was 14 when she dissapeared.

Mjak

[PonderingThings]

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1032dfct.htm (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1032dfct.htm)

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/36UFNJ.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/MFAnjiras.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/36UFNJ1.jpg
Princess Doe on left and right, Maria in center

Maria Florence Anjiras
Missing since February 12, 1976 from Norwalk, Fairfield County, Connecticut.
Classification: Endangered Runaway

Vital Statistics

* Date Of Birth: August 10, 1961
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5' 6" - 168 cm; 120 lbs - 54 kg
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes.

***************
1. Princess Doe looks like the photo of Maria
2. Princess Doe is 2" shorter than Maria
3. They both have brown hair
4 Age is a match-Maria would have been 21 in 1982-1 year older than the estimate for Princess Doe.
5. She was a runaway so its possible she was in New Jersey, from Connecticut.

I think this is a very good one mjak!

Only problem is, with the height being off by only 2", would that have been enough for nobody to have matched this up before?

[mjak]

the height difference is the one thing that made me doubt the match. However,
2 inches is not enough of a difference to make me disinclude the match. I think
it bears checking out. We also know that Maria was a known runaway. This fits with what we know about Princess Doe pior to her death.

mjak

[PonderingThings]

The Doe Network has added a new image to her page
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/36UFNJ3.jpg

So is/has anyone submitted the suggestions we have come up with to LE?

I would be happy to send an email to check out this thread, with the names of the possible matches listed. Has anyone done this yet?

[mjak]

I have not sent my suggested match into doe Network. I would be pleased
if you would send it in. I actually have no idea how to send it in. I think the new profile picture looks even more like Marias picture.

thanks
mjak

[PonderingThings]

Mjak I am not a Doe Network member. I usually send the tips into law enforcement directly, or sometimes through CrimeStoppers if email is not available for law enforcement (it is in this case).

I'll send an email, with a link to this thread, and a listing of the possible match names (with referencing case numbers) next weekend unless I hear an objection.

[docwho3]

Does anyone recognize the logo on the skirt as belonging to a restaurant or INN?
That seems pretty distinctive to me.

I have (had - I gave them to in-laws) a set of of measuring spoons made to look like geese.

[dkeene8]

i think the goose are actually peacocks, that style skirt (we called them "peasant" skirts) and tshirt were pretty normal wear for teenagers back then, especially in ocean city where it's said that she had worked. i lived in maryland up until 1980 and spent alot of time in ocean city, and there were alot of "hippish" people there, lots of runaways too, cause it was such a cool place to go and hide if you needed to.

[PonderingThings]

The Doe Network has updated the Unidentified girls page once again - but I don't see what was changed.

I haven't submitted anything yet to the authorities because the Doe Network pages, for my possible matches, are sometimes unavailable, and sometimes unavailable (not just the photos). I don't know if its because of bandwidth problems or something else, so I'm going to give it a little bit to see if it gets worked out...

[Hollow]

http://www.vidocq.org/doe/doe4.html

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/125ufnv.html


http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Wanted_and_Missing/Missing/view.cfm?ID=12


Height and weight are good
eyecolor and hair color is off
age is good

[ihadcabinfever]

This girl was coming north

Missing: Judith E. O'Donnell NIC #M598318205 http://content.troopers.state.ny.us/GetPhoto.aspx?PhotoID=63http://content.troopers.state.ny.us/GetPhoto.aspx?PhotoID=64 Basic InformationRace:WhiteSex:FemaleDOB:April 28, 1961Height:5'10" Weight:140 poundsEyes:BlueHair:BrownAdditional InformationLast Seen:Date: November 30, 1980
Time: Unknown
Location: Baltimore, Maryland Miscellaneous:O'Donnell had a bus ticket to return to her residence in the Greenwich Village area of New York City.

http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Wanted_and_Missing/Missing/view.cfm?ID=12

I dont know if I was allowed to post pic I didnt mean to.

[shadowangel]

That is interesting...Remember the Ocean City MD tie with Princess Doe.

[anthrobones]

I got this when trying to go to the link Pondering posted:



Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /cases/images/36UFNJ3.jpg on this server.





Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.doenetwork.us Port 80Huh

[PonderingThings]

The Doe Network has been experiencing bandwidth problems. For some reason these links seem to be strongly affected. I don't know why.

[lilsister]

I definately think that all of the possible matches were VERY plausible. I am going to know re-cap because it is hard to keep track of each poss match, if you don't mind :) . Here is the list:

Diane Dye-missing from San Jose Calif--13 yr old, 5'2 110 lbs; last seen July 30, 1979--DNA comparison btwn Doe and Dye was done and result inconclusive---am i correct? (DNA is usually pretty acurate)

Leah Van Schoick-ranaway with a biker to Plantation Fl, but her parents reside in NJ; age 17, 5'5 , 125 lbs, last seen (according to whom???--the bikers?) August 15, 1982--this was dismissed due to conflicting dates; Doe was found July 15, 1982--still could potentially be a match esp. considering the source of who last saw her--can we verify this?

EMMA LORENE VAUGHN- missing 10 July 1982 Orlando, FL; 14 yr old 5'3 114 lbs--according to the DoeNetwork--Vaughn was last seen walking down Robinson Street in Orlando, Florida. She was known to frequent South Orange Blossom Trail and South Street in Orlando. She was rumored to have last been seen in 1983. She was a prostitute and stripper. She had been seen with labor pool workers, and was rumored to have gone to Tennessee with a gas station attendant. Her family lives in Missouri.
Again, this is a rumored sighting. Still a potential match IMO

Marie Blee- missing since November 21, 1979 from Craig Colorado; 15 yr old, 5'3 100 lbs--classified as Endangered Missing ---supposedly took ride home from a stranger never to return (could have poss runaway I suppose). Another very strong match--no comparison done as far as I know

Angela May Meeker- missing since July 7, 1979 from Tacoma Washington (also where the Green River Killer was active--although most of his victims were prostitutes but you never know);13 yr old 5'2 109 lbs--Another possible match

Maria Anjiras- missing since February 12 1976 from Norwalk, Conneticut; age 14 , 5'6 ,120 lbs--classified as Endangered Runaway--Another strong match

I will post this and then do some more research...I think we are about to be hit w/ lightning storms.

[lilsister]

Okay, so Princess Doe was located on July 15, 1982 in Blairstown, NJ and the estimated date of death was approx 4 days previous. (I know I am re-stating what we already know but it helps to keep details out there). The cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head--so brutal, in fact, that her face remained beyond recognition---this could possibly suggest a crime of passion due to the fact that there was so much violence. Then, again, the perp might just be trying to disfigure his/her victim so that there would be no identification possible. Her estimated age is 14-18 years old and approx height 5'2 to 5'4; approx weight 90 to 100 lbs. We all know very well that the height and weight categories could differ somewhat significantly from what is proposed...that's why I think you all came up with some great possible matches. She could be from anywhere in the US, if she was a runaway, so the state of residence does not really matter. I am currently checking out other possible matches to our Princess Doe. I just want, more than anything, to have her identified so that she can have the proper burial that she deserves.

I clipped this from an article about P Doe in the Pocono Record Day:



For example, forensic reports told him that the corpse had no broken bones, so missing-person reports where the victims had once had broken bones were ruled out automatically. Then, Kranz said, he learned that some young people's bones mend in such a way that it is nearly impossible to tell that they were once broken. Hence, he said, some of the missing-person reports may had been valuable after all.


That is why we can't just jump to certain conclusions--ie. broken bones...its not her...went missing a month after body discovered... its not her etc.

[suzannec4444]

Hi

quote:
EMMA LORENE VAUGHN- missing 10 July 1982 Orlando, FL; 14 yr old 5'3 114 lbs--according to the DoeNetwork--Vaughn was last seen walking down Robinson Street in Orlando, Florida. She was known to frequent South Orange Blossom Trail and South Street in Orlando. She was rumored to have last been seen in 1983. She was a prostitute and stripper. She had been seen with labor pool workers, and was rumored to have gone to Tennessee with a gas station attendant. Her family lives in Missouri.
Again, this is a rumored sighting. Still a potential match IMO


Can you please tell me more on the Gas station attendant.Name?Where ect....anything you can tell me.My sister came up missing in 1983.

suzanne

[lilsister]

Hi Suzannec4444,

Are you the sister of Tammy Lynn Leppert?--I have seen your other posts re: Tammy. I do not have specific info re the gas station attendent but I will try very hard to find out what I can. I am so sorry for everything you are going through ...prayers for Tammy, you and the rest of your family.:( Following is the Charley Project bio re your sister---everyone should click on the links to see her beautiful face and possibly identify her whereabouts:

Tammy Lynn Leppert

http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy2.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy3.jpg
http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy4.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy5.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy6.jpg
http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy7.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy_ap.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/l/leppert_tammy_ap2.jpg
Top Two rows and Bottom Right: Leppert, circa 1983;
Bottom center and left: Age-progressions to an unknown age

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Vital Statistics at Time of DisappearanceMissing Since: July 6, 1983 from Rockledge, Florida
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: February 5, 1965
Age: 18 years old
Height and Weight: 5'4 - 5'5, 105 - 115 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Curly blonde hair, hazel eyes. Leppert may spell her first name "Tammi." She occasionally uses Tammi and/or Tami-Lyn as stage names.
Clothing Description: A blue denim skirt, a light blue shirt with flower appliques on the shoulders, and flip-flops.
Medical Conditions: Leppert may have been three months pregnant at the time of her disappearance, but this has not been confirmed. She was apparently suffering from emotional problems at the time of her disappearance.


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Details of DisappearanceLeppert left her family's home in Rockledge, Florida at 11:00 a.m. on July 6, 1983 with a male friend. Her friend later told authorities that he and Leppert had an argument while driving and that he left her standing in a parking lot outside the Glass Bank near an Exxon gasoline station in the vicinity of State Road A1A between 2nd Street North and 3rd Street North in Cocoa Beach, Florida.

Leppert carried a gray purse when she went missing. Many reports erroneously state that she was barefoot at the time of her disappearance. Her mother said she noticed Leppert had not combed her hair before leaving the house that day, which is very uncharacteristic of her; she usually spent considerable time on her appearance before going anywhere. At the time of her disappearance, Leppert was planning to go to California to act in some movies. She apparently never arrived there, however.

Investigators looked into the possibility that Leppert was attacked by Christopher Wilder, a man linked to at least a dozen disappearances, rapes, murders and/or attacks of women in the early to mid-1980s. Photos of Wilder are posted below this case summary. He frequented the Florida region at the time of Leppert's disappearance. He sometimes attempted to lure young female victims by offering non-existent "modeling sessions" or other tactics, which would have fit well into a scenario involving Leppert. She was a relatively known model who had won several titles and was an occasional actress, landing bit parts in the films Scarface and Spring Break, and she wanted to be an internationally famous star.

Wilder, whose history of violence towards women went back to his adolescent years, was put on probation in 1980 after pleading guilty to attempted sexual battery towards a teenage girl. While on a visit home to Australia that same year, he was charged with kidnapping and sexually assaulting two teenaged girls. His parents bailed him out of jail and he flew back to the United States, promising to return for his trial which was set for April 1984.

Wilder is a also a suspect in the Florida disappearances of Mary Opitz (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/opitz_mary.html), Colleen Orsborn (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/orsborn_colleen.html), Rosario Gonzales (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gonzales_rosario.html), and Elizabeth Kenyon (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kenyon_elizabeth.html). He was killed during a shootout with authorities in 1984. Leppert's family filed a one-million-dollar lawsuit against Wilder before his death, but dropped the suit afterwards. Leppert's mother, modeling agent Linda Curtis, later stated that she never believed Wilder was involved in Leppert's disappearance. Police have never been able to link Wilder and Leppert and it may be coincidence that she disappeared at the same time he was targeting area models. He had a long history of sex crimes but did not begin his killing spree until a year after Leppert vanished.

John Crutchley, the so-called "Vampire Rapist," is also considered a possible suspect in Leppert's case. He received a life sentence in prison after kidnapping and raping a woman in Orlando, Florida and drinking her blood. Crutchley committed suicide in prison in 2002. He has never been linked to Leppert.

Curtis criticized the police for allegedly mishandling the investigation into Leppert's disappearance. Police initially believed she ran away, and some continue to think that foul play was not involved in her case. Curtis said her daughter was afraid of the man who last saw her, and that the individual was never properly investigated. Authorities say they did the best they could to find Leppert and the man she was last seen with has been interviewed is not a viable suspect in her case.

On June 1, a month before Leppert vanished, she began acting erratically at her home. She yelled and screamed and broke a window with a baseball bat. Curtis took Leppert to a mental health center for a 72-hour observation after she calmed down. Psychiatrists there could not find anything wrong with her. Curtis planned to get a therapist for Leppert, but she disappeared before that could be arranged.

Curtis believed that Leppert may have been kidnapped and murdered as a result of her knowledge of a large-scale drug and money laundering operation in Brevard, Florida. The operation allegedly involved many prominent local citizens. Leppert was reportedly afraid for her life because of what she knew. She stayed in her bedroom more than usual and refused to drink from open containers or eat from her own plate. Curtis claimed Leppert made a police report about what she knew, but investigators have no record of the report and do not espouse Curtis's theory.

Leppert's sister is still looking for her and believes her mother's theory about Leppert's disappearance. Curtis, who moved to Orlando, Florida, after her daugther's disappearance, died of a blood infection in 1995.

The missing persons organization Child Protection Education of America states that Leppert had no cavities or fillings at the time of her disappearance; however, this is unproven. Her dental records have been lost. Some agencies incorrectly state that Leppert's home is in Cocoa Beach, Florida.

http://www.charleyproject.org/images/w/wilder.jpg http://www.charleyproject.org/images/w/wilder2.jpg
Above Images: Wilder

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Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Cocoa Beach Police Department
407-868-3269
OR
321-868-3251
OR
Suzanne Leppert
Tammy Leppert's Sister
Suzannec4444@yahoo.com (Suzannec4444@yahoo.com)

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Source Information
Christopher Wilder Biography (http://www.angelfire.com/oh/yodaspage/wilder.html)
The Child Seek Network (http://www.childseeknetwork.com/)
The National Center for Missing Adults (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/)
The Doe Network (http://www.doenetwork.us/)
Tammy Lynn Leppert Missing Since July 6, 1983 (http://p208.ezboard.com/ficaremissingpersonscoldcasesfrm7.showMessage?topi cID=1.topic)
Missing Adults -- Missing Children (http://www.angelsmissing.com/)
Tammy Lynn Leppert is Missing (http://www.geocities.com/findtammy/)

http://www.charleyproject.org/banners/bar.jpg

Updated 2 times since October 12, 2004.

Last updated February 4, 2004. Charley Project Home (http://www.charleyproject.org/index.html)

I will do my best to keep searching for her, Paula in NJ.

[lilsister]

Princess Doe was found in 1982, unless Tammy went missing a year or so earlier then there is no possible way PDoe could be Tammy. Please keep sleuthing for your sister....I know that if it was my sis I would not stop until I found the answer I was looking for...Good Luck to you>> and I , as well as the other websleuthers, will continue to search for your sister. God Bless Tammy, you and your family. I can't imagine what you are going through.

Sincerely,
Paula (aka Lil'sister)

[suzannec4444]

Hi
Thankyou.you are sweet.I'm sorry.I did not think this was tammy.I wanted to know about emma vauhgn and the name of the gas station attendant she might have went off with and anything else you can find out.One rumor was tammy went off with a gas station attendent.Everything the charlie project has was from me and the website and board I dedicated to my sister.Please use tammy's website and if you have any information please only contact me at

suzannec4444@yahoo.com

http://www.geocities.com/findtammy/

Thankyou and God bless you

suzanne

[lilsister]

Just wanted to bump this..

[Pdoe]

Hello,

I am in the process of building a site to track current and factual information regarding the Princess Doe case. As part of that effort I am establishing a list of possible matches and I have included the names mentioned in this forum as well as other names that have come up over the years. Still a work in progress but you can check out the site at:

http://www.princessdoe.org/

Hopefully we can build some momentum behind this and get it back into the media. I'll also continue to monitor this thread on a regular basis and also post any updates.

Thank you

[Pdoe]

Hello,

I am in the process of building a site to track current and factual information regarding the Princess Doe case. As part of that effort I am establishing a list of possible matches and I have included the names mentioned in this forum as well as other names that have come up over the years. Still a work in progress but you can check out the site at:

http://www.princessdoe.org/

Hopefully we can build some momentum behind this and get it back into the media. I'll also continue to monitor this thread on a regular basis and also post any updates.

Thank you
A list of possible matches has been posted on http://www.princessdoe.org/
This list was created using databases, monitoring web sites and from e-mailed tips. We will now start ruling people out and refine it.

[Pdoe]

Just an FYI that the "possible matches" list has been updated on the website. A few possible matches have been added and a few have been ruled out. Please let me know if you think any more should be added.

http://www.princessdoe.org/

[ihadcabinfever]

Just an FYI that the "possible matches" list has been updated on the website. A few possible matches have been added and a few have been ruled out. Please let me know if you think any more should be added.

http://www.princessdoe.org/


check your PM

[annemc2]

Thanks for the info Pdoe. I have to say that the website is *very* well done and easy to follow. The information is thorough yet concise and the table of potential matches is outstanding. Great work! This may be the way to finally solve this case!

[ihadcabinfever]

A longer list
Pa/NJ Brunette Women Missing 80's/90's

Pa. missing Brunette adults

Barbara Elizabeth Miller
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/601dfpa.html
Tracy Marie Kroh
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/19dfpa.html
Terry Slaugenhoupt
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/260dfpa.html
Brenda Louise Condon
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/166dfpa.html
Dawn Miller
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/602dfpa.html
Dawn Marie Mozino
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/899dfpa.html
Michele Fawcett
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/2007dfpa.html
Carmen Ida Meirino
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/2021dfpa.html
Lonene Ray Rogers
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1850dfpa.html
Anee Lillian Riggin
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1569dfpa.html
Shelley Diane Luty
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1463dfpa.html
Myra Manley
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/2105dfpa.html

Unidentified Pa Brunettes 80'/90's

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/461ufpa.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/246ufpa.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/306ufpa.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/179ufpa.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/147ufpa.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/127ufpa.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/234ufpa.html


NJ Missing Brunette Adult women

Frances Morales
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/340dfnj.html
Renee Martine La Manna
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1103dfnj.html
Usha S. Lyer
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1262dfnj.html
Lisa Ann Schmit
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1713dfnj.html
Robin Trivisonno
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1885dfnj.html

Unidentified NJ Adult Brunette Women

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/252ufnj.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/436ufnj.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/266ufnj.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/36ufnj.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/248ufnj.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/121ufnj.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/47ufnj.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/149ufnj.html
http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/miss/ui_sussex_u640825556.html
http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/miss/ui_morris_u630003189.html identified


ny look alike
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/485ufpa.html
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1500dfny.html
pic on rt, looks like 1500
girl on left found first only photo found in hangar
pic expo 67?

[ihadcabinfever]

A shorter list


Case File 260DFPA pa
Terry Slaugenhoupt
last seen at home after a date 1/6/1991
brenda louise condon pa
2/27/1991
last seen at bar working
dawn miller pa
9-10/1992
seen around
barbara miller
6/30/1989
last seen at wedding went home vanished
tracy marie kroh
last seen?Alex Acres Trailer Park off of Pennsylvania Route 147
nj
frances morales
Missing since April 4, 1990 from Bridgeton, Cumberland , New Jersey
Renee Martine LaManna
January 8, 1994 from Ocean City, Cape May County, New Jersey
last sighted at the Waterfront Bar in Somers Point, NJ
linda schmidt
October 2, 1994 from Harrison, Hudson County, New Jersey
last seen shopping
robin trivisonno
January 20, 1997 from Neptune Township, Monmouth County, New Jersey
last seen leaving the former Heartbreakers go-go bar
ny
karen louise wilson
March 27, 1985 from Albany, Albany County, New York
last seen leaving The Tanning Hut at 1670 Central Avenue in Colonie, NY on March 27, 1985

[ihadcabinfever]

Case File 153DFFL
Jean Marie Stewart
Missing since March 25, 1980 from Miami Lakes, Dade County, Florida.
Classification: Endangered Missing
Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: April 6, 1963
Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2; 110 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes. Very small framed, but large busted.
Marks, Scars, Tattoos: Stewart has a scar on the underside of her right arm and a tattoo of a rose on her right upper arm.
Clothing: Stewart was last seen wearing jeans and a flowered shirt.
Dentals: She has protruding upper front teeth.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Stewart was last seen in Miami Lakes, Florida on March 25, 1980. She was standing outside a 7-11 convenience store in Cypress Village at the time. Stewart was scheduled, and had purchased a plane ticket, to return to Pittsburgh PA (her hometown!) for a family wedding. It is not known if she ever arrived at her supposed destination.
The night before she was to leave, her friends had a going away party for her. A friend picked her up to bring her back to the house when she wanted to stop at the convenience store. The friend went in to make her purchase, as she had already removed her shoes. He was inside only minutes (there were no other customers) and when he returned, she was gone. Her purse, shoes and money were all still in the car. She never returned to the house to get money, ticket or other belongings. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

note:Stewart was scheduled, and had purchased a plane ticket, to return to Pittsburgh PA (her hometown!)
Case File 587DFMD
Sheree Marie Magaro
Missing since February 22, 1987 from Kentmore Park, Kent County, Maryland.
Classification: Endangered Missing
Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: October 23, 1956
Age at Time of Disappearance: 30 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3; 140 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Circumstances of Disappearance
Magaro was last seen departing a friend's residence in Kentmore Park, Maryland on February 22, 1987 at approximately 9:45 PM.
Magaro was driving her 1976 gray four-door Ford Torino at the time. She was planning to drive back to her home in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania that evening.
The night of her disappearance there was a severe snow storm in the area. On the next day her vehicle was found in a field 100 feet west of State Route 213, two and a half miles south of the Bohemia River Bridge, which is north of Cecilton.
Hair, blood and human tissue was found in the car which had been burned to destroy evidence.

[ihadcabinfever]

Move the link to NY/PA if you can find it. Didn't it begin months ago somewhere else? I couldn't find it sorry.

[ihadcabinfever]

I submitted this to doenetwork contact a while back and she checked and said it was ruled out by dental comparison

Brenda Louise Condon
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/166dfpa.html

Pa unidentified Doe

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/179ufpa.html


I was drawn to Brenda Condon when I first saw her pic. She reminds me of a friend I had when I was in high school.

You notice alot of cases around this time all seem the same ?

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/47ufnj.html
Tiger lady

If she was local woman I think most people went to Shotsys Tattoo in New Foundland NJ
maybe Captain Jacks rte 23 Butler NJ or Tattoo 46 in Dover NJ .

Tattoo 46
We are located at 310 HWY 46,
Dover NJ 07801
Only 3 minutes from Interstate 80, call for directions!!

Tattoo 46 Has been in operation since 1987. We are state approved and health department inspected.

We do all styles of tattooing, including traditional, old-school, new-school, tribal and celtic.

Shotzys Tattoo used to be in New Foundland NJ (HE used to live down the street) from me .

Captain Jacks

http://www.captainjackstattoos.com/

I don't know if they keep records. I bet they know if the artist has some kind of distinct way of recognizing his or her work.

[Pdoe]

Just a quick update before the holiday. The list of possible matches currently posted on the website is being compared by LE. I will update any rule-outs as soon as I get the information. Should have some updates within the next few weeks. Thank you and happy holidays.

[MacPlus512]

IHadCabinFever--good point about tattoo artists and their work. While I'm not a tattoo artist, I would probably be able to identify a picture I drew versus what someone else did even if the picture in question was 15+ years old.

A case in point came when I was cleaning my attic out and found a box of stuff from first grade. We used to make pencils for everyone out of paper for some reason. Some of the ones up there were from my buddies. There were also some I had made. I could tell who did what. Keep in mind I found the box in 2005 and the pencils were drawn during the 1993-1994 school year. The same was true of other artwork, as we all used to give little cards to each other.

If it's a parlor with more than one artist, however (I have no idea how tattoo parlors operate), I'd wonder if the guy who did it was still there. Given the evidence he would have done this between 1987 and 1991. If people come and go from tattoo parlors like they do from barber shops, that may have changed. Of the three barbers at my shop who have cut my hair since I was a lad, one has died, one has moved to another shop across town, and one is still there. (I don't go to this shop much anymore because I found another guy I like, but even at his shop he's lost a co-worker).

Anyway, since this thread was originally about Princess Doe, could it have been possible she was from Virginia or the Carolinas? I know there was suspicion that she worked at a hotel in Maryland, but could she have been a more local runaway, perhaps?

[ihadcabinfever]

Anyway, since this thread was originally about Princess Doe, could it have been possible she was from Virginia or the Carolinas? I know there was suspicion that she worked at a hotel in Maryland, but could she have been a more local runaway, perhaps?

She could have been. Seems she must have been older to be able to move around and not be identified by now. I don't think she was 14 ish I think she had to be later teens.
I still am confused about her hair being blonde in the first pic and the later updated one shows her hair brown. Wasn't she only there in the graveyard a week?

[Pdoe]

Just an FYI that the website has been updated with a few more ruleouts. Making progress and hopefully getting closer.

[LionRun]

Hi all,

Regarding Princess Doe...are there currently or have there been suspects in her death? I am new here and just leanring to navigate the threads. Can someone point me to relevant links to Princess Doe and/or possible suspects? Thank you.

[Pdoe]

Hi all,

Regarding Princess Doe...are there currently or have there been suspects in her death? I am new here and just leanring to navigate the threads. Can someone point me to relevant links to Princess Doe and/or possible suspects? Thank you.
There were people questioned in the case but no "official" suspects and no arrests to date. So far, most of the effort has been directed at identifying her.

[LionRun]

Hi Pdoe,

I'm new on this forum and ran across this case. I understand that the main focus has been to identify Princess Doe. But, if it is okay I want to bring up what I remember about a serial killer in that area and two young women he was convicted of murdering.

James Koedatich at one time lived in Florida killed his roommate, went to prison, got out on parole, then moved to Morristown New Jersey.

In November of 1982, he abducted 18 year old, Parsippany Hills High School student, Amie Hoffman, at night, in the parking lot of the Morris County Mall where she was leaving to go home from her part-time job. He sexually assaulted her, and stabbed her to death. He left her body in some kind of pond (retention pond?) (I think?) somewhere in Morris County, which is close to Warren County.

In December of 1982 he abducted, sexually assaulted, then stabbed to death 25 year old Deirdre O'Brien. He left her for dead at a truck stop off Interstate 80 in Warren County. I think she died in a trucker's arms. I do not recall where she was abducted from.

As I recall James Koedatich was caught because he called the police to report that he was (pulled over? or stabbed?--very strange) by someone posing as a police officer. From there the police found evidence in his car of his gruesome acts.

From what I've read in the Princess Doe posts the one thing that may not fit is that Princess Doe was apparently killed by blunt force trauma, and Amie and Deirdre were stabbed. But the dates, locations, and victim types have my eyes open.

I remember this because I lived in Morris Plains/Parsippany, NJ back then. Some details are now fuzzy to me. But, I remember much of those days clearly. Girls and women in the area were terrified prior to that monster's capture. The Parsippany Hills Police Department conducted a safety seminar one Saturday. To this day I adhere to those things I learned. And so to now does my 18 year old daughter.

I wonder if LE has ever investigated Koedatich as a suspect in Princess Doe's murder. I believe Koedatich was sentenced to death. I have no idea of the outcome in that respect.

I don't mean to shift focus away from learning Princess Doe's identity. And there is probably only a slim chance that the cases are related. But; if they are related, more may be learned about Princess Doe's identity based on what is known about victims of the same killer.

Long shot at best. What are your thoughts?

[Pdoe]

Hi Pdoe,

I'm new on this forum and ran across this case. I understand that the main focus has been to identify Princess Doe. But, if it is okay I want to bring up what I remember about a serial killer in that area and two young women he was convicted of murdering.

James Koedatich at one time lived in Florida killed his roommate, went to prison, got out on parole, then moved to Morristown New Jersey.

In November of 1982, he abducted 18 year old, Parsippany Hills High School student, Amie Hoffman, at night, in the parking lot of the Morris County Mall where she was leaving to go home from her part-time job. He sexually assaulted her, and stabbed her to death. He left her body in some kind of pond (retention pond?) (I think?) somewhere in Morris County, which is close to Warren County.

In December of 1982 he abducted, sexually assaulted, then stabbed to death 25 year old Deirdre O'Brien. He left her for dead at a truck stop off Interstate 80 in Warren County. I think she died in a trucker's arms. I do not recall where she was abducted from.

As I recall James Koedatich was caught because he called the police to report that he was (pulled over? or stabbed?--very strange) by someone posing as a police officer. From there the police found evidence in his car of his gruesome acts.

From what I've read in the Princess Doe posts the one thing that may not fit is that Princess Doe was apparently killed by blunt force trauma, and Amie and Deirdre were stabbed. But the dates, locations, and victim types have my eyes open.

I remember this because I lived in Morris Plains/Parsippany, NJ back then. Some details are now fuzzy to me. But, I remember much of those days clearly. Girls and women in the area were terrified prior to that monster's capture. The Parsippany Hills Police Department conducted a safety seminar one Saturday. To this day I adhere to those things I learned. And so to now does my 18 year old daughter.

I wonder if LE has ever investigated Koedatich as a suspect in Princess Doe's murder. I believe Koedatich was sentenced to death. I have no idea of the outcome in that respect.

I don't mean to shift focus away from learning Princess Doe's identity. And there is probably only a slim chance that the cases are related. But; if they are related, more may be learned about Princess Doe's identity based on what is known about victims of the same killer.

Long shot at best. What are your thoughts?
Sorry for the delay in responding to this post. I have heard the name Koedatich mentioned a few times but I honestly do not know if he was ever questioned about Princess Doe. I can certainly try and find out though, the dates do seem to match up (depending on when he moved there.) It would be helpful if we could find a time line. Do you know of any sites that discuss his crimes? I have been putting most of my effort into the identity so far but certainly finding out who committed the crime might answer a lot of questions about the victim. Let me do some research and thank you for your contribution.

[Sundayrain]

Deirdre was driving home in Morris Plains/Mt. Freedom area.....Koeditich followed her. It was at a time when we were all afraid of traveling in that area. Afraid to go to that Mall, in Morris Plains after Ammie was taken and murdered.
There was a monster on the loose....Deirdre O'Brian was a brave girl. Even having been just attacked by a man she did not know: At the truck stop on route 80 .......she crawled up to another unknown stranger ....to his truck for help. God Bless her. The truck driver tried to get help for her. It was too late to save her. He(Koeditich) seemed to be more of a vicious man than the person who left Princess Doe for dead in Blairstown. But, worth looking into.
The articles on Koeditich were in the Morristown Daily Record.......if you have a way to look in the archives of that News Paper. It was all front page news.......

[LionRun]

There is not a whole lot on the web about Koedatich. What I stated is based on memory. It is still worth checking out. A long shot at best; but, it warrants a closer look.


SundayRain, it was a scary place to live while that twisted thing was running loose. The Guardian Angels from NYC actually came out to the Morris County Mall to train locals on how to protect the citizens. Were you also living in the area too? And what you said about Deirdre O'Brien, and how she struggled to reach that truck driver after her attack I now remember also. I remember thinking it was so sad, and such a shame. She made it alive to the trucker; but, did not survive.

If anyone knows anything about the case, or knows if Koedatich was ever executed or not please post. If more is learned about the possibility of Koedatich being involved, then he can either be ruled in or out, and the search for the Blairstown Pricess Doe can progress.

[Pdoe]

Hi guys,

All of this talk brings one other question to mind. Is there any website out there that tracks the when/where of serial killers while they were free? I'm guessing that many victims are never found or associated to a killer just by dumb luck. Does anybody know of a resource that might give dates and a gernal location? Perhaps I'll put another page on my site to list the where abouts of various known killers at the time. Maybe we can rule some of them out as well.

Thoughts?

[ihadcabinfever]

I was reading Court tv Library. There is a list of them listed there.
They update information related to the cases , most updates are done by profilers.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/wilder/

I know there is a site that was linked here somewhere that had an International Data base. I don't think it is very detailed.

[ihadcabinfever]

http://dui1.com/DuiCaseLawDetail19199/Page2.htm

State v. Koedatich
4/19/1990




State from resubmitting both the "outrageously wanton and vile" and the murder "to escape detection" factors. The trial court agreed, holding that those death-penalty decisions barred the State from charging any aggravating factors at resentencing that the jury in the first penalty phase did not unanimously find to exist.


II.


We note that the Capital Punishment Act, N.J.S.A. 2C:11-3 (the Act), offers no specific guidance on the question whether aggravating factors not unanimously found to exist by the jury at the initial sentencing proceeding can be presented at resentencing following a remand. Nor have our prior decisions concerning the presentation of aggravating factors at resentencing dealt specifically with the issue raised by this appeal.


In Biegenwald II, supra, 106 N.J. 13, 524 A.2d 130, we affirmed defendant's conviction for the murder of Anne Olesiewicz, but reversed his death sentence because the trial court had improperly instructed the jury in the penalty phase. Accordingly, we remanded the case for a new sentencing proceeding, observing that " esentencing cannot be considered double-jeopardy where the first sentence was a death sentence and the evidence was sufficient." Id. at 68, 524 A.2d 130.


At the initial penalty-phase proceeding in Biegenwald II, the jury unanimously found the existence of two aggravating factors: (1) that defendant had previously been convicted of murder, N.J.S.A. 2C:11-3c(4)(a); and (2) that "the murder was outrageously or wantonly vile, horrible or inhuman in that it


involved torture, depravity of mind, or an aggravated battery to the victim." N.J.S.A. 2C:11-3c(4)(c) ("c(4)(c)"). We held that principles of double jeopardy barred the State from proving the existence of the "aggravated battery" or "torture" components of the c(4)(c) aggravating circumstance at resentencing because there was insufficient evidence in the record to support those components. 106 N.J. at 51, 524 A.2d 130. We noted, however, that the State would not be barred from offering evidence of "depravity of mind" to establish aggravating factor c(4)(c). Id. at 52, 524 A.2d 130.


In Biegenwald III, supra, 110 N.J. 521, 542 A.2d 442, the issue was whether the State could introduce as an aggravating factor at the resentencing hearing defendant's conviction for the murder of William Ward, which was obtained after the Olesiewicz conviction. We held that admission of the Ward conviction at resentencing complied with the double-jeopardy clauses of both the federal and state constitutions and with principles of fundamental fairness. Id. at 540-41, 542 A.2d 442. As dictum in that opinion, we offered this guideline:


If the sentencing jury in the first trial specifically rejects an aggravating factor or an appellate court finds that the State failed to establish by sufficient evidence the existence of an aggravating factor at the original trial, the aggravating factor[,] or that part of the aggravating factor rejected by the jury, cannot be used at the resentencing proceeding. [ Id. at 542, 542 A.2d 442.]


Neither Biegenwald II nor Biegenwald III, however, is dispositive of the issue before us. Therefore, we begin our analysis by considering the question in the context of double-jeopardy jurisprudence. Because we have held the double-jeopardy clauses of the state and federal constitutions to be substantially coextensive, State
21 pages
click on the link to read the rest

[ihadcabinfever]

State v. Koedatich
http://dui1.com/DuiCaseLawDetail19199/Page1.htm

Page 1.
I linked page 2 first. Sorry I just googled his name and got the link. 2nd page showed 1st.

[ihadcabinfever]

Deirdre was driving home in Morris Plains/Mt. Freedom area.....Koeditich followed her. It was at a time when we were all afraid of traveling in that area. Afraid to go to that Mall, in Morris Plains after Ammie was taken and murdered.
There was a monster on the loose....Deirdre O'Brian was a brave girl. Even having been just attacked by a man she did not know: At the truck stop on route 80 .......she crawled up to another unknown stranger ....to his truck for help. God Bless her. The truck driver tried to get help for her. It was too late to save her. He(Koeditich) seemed to be more of a vicious man than the person who left Princess Doe for dead in Blairstown. But, worth looking into.
The articles on Koeditich were in the Morristown Daily Record.......if you have a way to look in the archives of that News Paper. It was all front page news.......


Deirdre O'Brian was a brave girl. Even having been just attacked by a man she did not know: At the truck stop on route 80 .......she crawled up to another unknown stranger ....to his truck for help. God Bless her. The truck driver tried to get help for her. It was too late to save her.

Oh my God.

It's all just as vicious. I don't think anyone would ever imagine the level of fear and panic these girls endured. It is possible he is connected to Pdoe.

It is unbeleivable the amount of Police hours put into these crimes multiplied by years and the amount of stress endured by knowing all the details of the crimes of young girls like this. Then it just keeps coming. Still no closure. More victims and More monsters. What laws need to be modified or changed in order to get at the heart of these type of crimes? There has to be too many road blocks .
Somewhere in an article there was mention of a man that was going to Pdoes grave. If she is still unkown , who would be drawn to her?
Why would a man stand over a grave of a unkown girl?
He must have known her somehow. He knows something. It's guilt that draws him. What other reason would it be?

[ihadcabinfever]

State v. Koedatich
http://dui1.com/DuiCaseLawDetail19199/Page1.htm

Page 1.
I linked page 2 first. Sorry I just googled his name and got the link. 2nd page showed 1st.

Can you beleive 21 pages full of this muderers rights. WTF? Where is there any rights for these victims? Does anyone know ?

[LionRun]

Can you beleive 21 pages full of this muderers rights. WTF? Where is there any rights for these victims? Does anyone know ?
I so agree. I am beyond sick and tired of convicted criminals' right taking precedence over known victims' rights. When we have a chance to change the law in favor of victims rights I say, "Let's Do it!".

LionRun

[LionRun]

Deirdre O'Brian was a brave girl. Even having been just attacked by a man she did not know: At the truck stop on route 80 .......she crawled up to another unknown stranger ....to his truck for help. God Bless her. The truck driver tried to get help for her. It was too late to save her.

Oh my God.

It's all just as vicious. I don't think anyone would ever imagine the level of fear and panic these girls endured. It is possible he is connected to Pdoe.

It is unbeleivable the amount of Police hours put into these crimes multiplied by years and the amount of stress endured by knowing all the details of the crimes of young girls like this. Then it just keeps coming. Still no closure. More victims and More monsters. What laws need to be modified or changed in order to get at the heart of these type of crimes? There has to be too many road blocks .
Somewhere in an article there was mention of a man that was going to Pdoes grave. If she is still unkown , who would be drawn to her?
Why would a man stand over a grave of a unkown girl?
He must have known her somehow. He knows something. It's guilt that draws him. What other reason would it be?

What happened to those lovely young ladies still haunts me. I lived in fear along with many others in that area during that time. I too think it is possible that Koedatich was involved in Princess Doe's murder. It is a long shot as I have stated because the possibilities are many. But, I think it warrants further research.

Deirdre was left at a truck stop off the major Rt. 80, in the same area where Princess Doe was found. Amy was abducted from Morris County Mall and then found in Randolf Township (which is also in at least the direction of where Princess Doe was found). The time frame fits perfectly. They were all young women. Hmm, I really do wonder.

LionRun

[Pdoe]

What happened to those lovely young ladies still haunts me. I lived in fear along with many others in that area during that time. I too think it is possible that Koedatich was involved in Princess Doe's murder. It is a long shot as I have stated because the possibilities are many. But, I think it warrants further research.

Deirdre was left at a truck stop off the major Rt. 80, in the same area where Princess Doe was found. Amy was abducted from Morris County Mall and then found in Randolf Township (which is also in at least the direction of where Princess Doe was found). The time frame fits perfectly. They were all young women. Hmm, I really do wonder.

LionRun
I'll do some research and see what I can find out.

[LionRun]

Does anyone know if Koedatich was ever executed?

Great Pdoe. I'll let you know if I find anything too.

LionRun

[Pdoe]

Does anyone know if Koedatich was ever executed?

Great Pdoe. I'll let you know if I find anything too.

LionRun
No, he should still be around if he was convicted in Jersey. Even if you are sentenced to death there, they never seem to execute anybody. I'll let you know what I find out. Like you both said, the dates and locations are not too difficult to fit together.

[Pdoe]

No, he should still be around if he was convicted in Jersey. Even if you are sentenced to death there, they never seem to execute anybody. I'll let you know what I find out. Like you both said, the dates and locations are not too difficult to fit together.
Just confirmed that James Koedatich is in prison at the NJ State Prison and has been since 1/11/1985.

[LionRun]

Thank you Pdoe. I wonder if Le ever talked with Koedatich about other crimes, including murders of others. The way he killed Amy and Deirdre indicate he had experience and would keep killing as often as he could.


Best in learning Princess Doe's true identity.

Lion

[Pdoe]

Thank you Pdoe. I wonder if Le ever talked with Koedatich about other crimes, including murders of others. The way he killed Amy and Deirdre indicate he had experience and would keep killing as often as he could.


Best in learning Princess Doe's true identity.

Lion
Trying to find out it LE ever questioned or considered him as a possibility. Will let you know what I find out.

[ihadcabinfever]

I think he's dead.

[Pdoe]

I think he's dead.
Really? The website for the department of corrections in NJ showed that he was still locked up as of yesterday. Maybe I missed something.

[LionRun]

Really? The website for the department of corrections in NJ showed that he was still locked up as of yesterday. Maybe I missed something.
Hi Pdoe. How are you today? I hope all is well. I thought Koedatich was spared the death sentence (can't remember how) and was still incarcerated.

I wonder if there are any LE or retired LE that we could track down and ask about a possible connection between Princess Doe and Koedatich. I wonder if there was anyone in LE who took her case personally, (young girl, murdered, family never found, identity never known) who may be willing to help. Again, it is a long shot. But, finding Shawn Hornbeck alive was a long shot too.

Lion

[ihadcabinfever]

Really? The website for the department of corrections in NJ showed that he was still locked up as of yesterday. Maybe I missed something.

LOL sorry maybe he isn't . I thought it was from the scary site with the pic. The other guy from NJ the Mahwah case is the one I am thinking of. I just read about that . Never read that before.

[ihadcabinfever]

Christopher Wilder ? They named him the beauty queen killer.

[Pdoe]

Hi Pdoe. How are you today? I hope all is well. I thought Koedatich was spared the death sentence (can't remember how) and was still incarcerated.

I wonder if there are any LE or retired LE that we could track down and ask about a possible connection between Princess Doe and Koedatich. I wonder if there was anyone in LE who took her case personally, (young girl, murdered, family never found, identity never known) who may be willing to help. Again, it is a long shot. But, finding Shawn Hornbeck alive was a long shot too.

Lion
Hi Lion,

I'm trying to track down if he was ever considered a suspect or not. LE is still very involved and interested in this case. I'll let you know what I find out.

[LionRun]

Hi Lion,

I'm trying to track down if he was ever considered a suspect or not. LE is still very involved and interested in this case. I'll let you know what I find out.
Great Pdoe. I look forward to hearing any info.

Lion

[ihadcabinfever]

pdoe ceck your PM

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=604083&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US


ANGELA SIGRID RAMSEYAge Progression Case Type: Lost, Injured, Missing DOB: May 16, 1961Sex: FemaleMissing Date: Jun 21, 1977Race: WhiteAge Now: 45Height: 5'3" (160 cm)Missing City: DELANDWeight: 115 lbs (52 kg)Missing State : FLHair Color: BlondeMissing Country: United StatesEye Color: BrownCase Number: NCMC604083Circumstances: Angela's photo is shown age-progressed to 45 years. She was last known to be at a motel in Deland, FL. Angela has not been seen or heard from since. She has a small scar on the left side of her face.

She's not on here?

[Pdoe]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=604083&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US



ANGELA SIGRID RAMSEYAge Progression Case Type: Lost, Injured, Missing DOB: May 16, 1961Sex: FemaleMissing Date: Jun 21, 1977Race: WhiteAge Now: 45Height: 5'3" (160 cm)Missing City: DELANDWeight: 115 lbs (52 kg)Missing State : FLHair Color: BlondeMissing Country: United StatesEye Color: BrownCase Number: NCMC604083Circumstances: Angela's photo is shown age-progressed to 45 years. She was last known to be at a motel in Deland, FL. Angela has not been seen or heard from since. She has a small scar on the left side of her face.

She's not on here?
I'll add her to the possible matches list on the website. I think I cut off at 1978 for the initial version of the list. Thanks!

[ihadcabinfever]

Iv'e been thinking about this for a while now , Did they ever think she was one of the people that come up to go White Water Rafting?
If you are not from the area, the only reason to pass through this area would be to go to the races( POCONOS )(Motorcycle or Car) or to Raft=party=camp????

That is something I haven't seen discussed unless I missed it here somewhere.
If you are fimilar with the area you would know this was a popular thing to do back then. There were alot of rafting rentals and a few camping areas that were pretty ,for lack of a better word (lawless) at the time. Alot of tents along the Delaware River and tents teenagers and coolers full of beer.

I went up there once not to stay but to see other people camping there it was chaos. Even I was a little nervous and that would be hard to beleive about me back then. Like a bad mix of kids different towns & alcohol......

I can't remember exactly where it was but it was like a donkey trail getting in there. Teenagers came from all over . Getting back into New Jersey Either way Rte 80 East or over Rte 23 was bumper to bumper on a Sunday night.

Now if there was a race and there was a large crowd of rafters coming back traffic was heavy. Like a stand still. People would be drinking what was left on the back of tailgates. Music blaring.

So this girl could have been from anywhere . For all anyone knows something could have happened at a campsite then she could have been dumped there on there way out?
How could nobody be looking for her?
The only other place would have been the East Stroudsburg College and nobody was reported missing from there.
So thats the way it really was , when I was 17....

LOL here is a link.
They have changed the rules since then.
http://www.whitewaterwillies.com/faq.htm

Frequently Asked Questions

Here at Whitewater Willie's, we make every attempt to offer a fun, enjoyable Delaware River Adventure. Below please find the questions most ask us prior to their rafting trip.


1. What should I bring with me for our rafting trip?

Sneakers
Appropriate Clothing for cold weather
A Dry Change of Clothes (Leave in car)
Suntan Lotion
Bathing Suit
Lunch and Beverages, Fresh Drinking Water (See Note On Alcohol)
Rain Gear
Please Note: A Minimal Amount of Alcohol is permitted on the River.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



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2. What not to bring for our rafting trip?

Jewelry
Persons who Litter, and don't respect the environment
Persons with poor attitudes, who do not respect others
Excessive Amounts of Alcohol
Illegal Drugs
Glass Containers

[ihadcabinfever]

Just wanted to ad that the white water rafting link is just one of many places you could rent from in this area. There were many places along the Delaware River during that time you could go rent canoes or tubes,rafts ect.

I beleive this was a personal thing between her and the killer.Putting her in the graveyard speaks volumes. I have a bad feeling she was probably killed there not somewhere else. Like someone was having the last say. Someone scorned maybe, if not then why would the person not just continue east a little further to that Scenic Overlook pull off and put her over the side. I doubt you would see anyone down there. It seems if it was a stranger that is what they would have done , not drive into Blairstown to a graveyard .How would anyone know it was there? you can't see anything from the highway in July?
Just another theory about what could have happened. She didnt have drugs or alcohol in her system but maybe the person that did this did. I this was done in a jealous rage.
Something happened The Fourth of July and it escalated from there. Maybe just innocent flirting that turned deadly.

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=601057&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

vs

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=400028&orgPrefix=NCMU&searchLang=en_US

date is off
I bet by looking at PDoe's cheeks she had dimples when she smiled.

these girls both liked the color red.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/doss_kimberly.html

Details of Disappearance

Doss was living in Houston, Texas at the time of her disappearance. She was reported missing on September 1, 1982. On September 27, she was seen at a Greyhound bus station in Davenport, Iowa. It is unclear where she was going; some believe she planned to return to Houston to visit her father. Her family never heard from her again.
Thursday's Child, a charitable organization that assists homeless or at-risk teenagers, claims they made contact with Doss in 1984, two years after her disappearance. They say Doss was working as a prostitute on Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood, California, going by the name Kimberly Gardner. She had straight, bleached blonde hair. She was working for a pimp named James Wiseman. The woman the Thursday's Child workers saw was approximately four inches taller than Doss was reported to be.

Doss's mother did not believe the Hollywood woman was her daughter, so no investigative action was taken at that time. Several years passed before investigators decided Kimberly Gardner and Kimberly Doss were probably the same person. By that time, Gardner was no longer in Hollywood. She has never been seen from again and has not been definitively identified as Doss.

Some agencies may list March 24, 1980 or January 1, 1984 as the date of Doss's disappearance, and the place of her disappearance as Los Angeles, California. Texas authorities are assisting with the investigation into her disappearance.

[Pdoe]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=604083&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US


ANGELA SIGRID RAMSEYAge Progression Case Type: Lost, Injured, Missing DOB: May 16, 1961Sex: FemaleMissing Date: Jun 21, 1977Race: WhiteAge Now: 45Height: 5'3" (160 cm)Missing City: DELANDWeight: 115 lbs (52 kg)Missing State : FLHair Color: BlondeMissing Country: United StatesEye Color: BrownCase Number: NCMC604083Circumstances: Angela's photo is shown age-progressed to 45 years. She was last known to be at a motel in Deland, FL. Angela has not been seen or heard from since. She has a small scar on the left side of her face.

She's not on here?

I added Angela Ramsey to the possible matches list on the site.

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.princessdoe.org/

The 25th anniversary of the body being
discovered will be on July 15th, 2007
and our goal is to identify the body
before that date. A memorial service is
being planned at the grave site in
Blairstown, on 7/15/2007. Additional
details to follow shortly.

Bumping for the Princess.

[Pdoe]

http://www.princessdoe.org/

The 25th anniversary of the body being
discovered will be on July 15th, 2007
and our goal is to identify the body
before that date. A memorial service is
being planned at the grave site in
Blairstown, on 7/15/2007. Additional
details to follow shortly.

Bumping for the Princess.

The 25th anniversary memorial service is being planned at 12:00 noon on Sunday, July 15th, 2007 at the Cedar Ridge Cemetery in Blairstown, NJ (at the Princess Doe Grave Site.) All are welcome. More details to follow on the website.

Thank you

[KarlK]

1. What should I bring with me for our rafting trip?

Please Note: A Minimal Amount of Alcohol is permitted on the River.

I guess that whoever wrote this list was not aware that for the average teenager bent on a weekend of partying in the wild a "minimal amount of alcohol" translates into "at least 24 beers per person per day"

[ihadcabinfever]

not back in 1982 or before that,I asked my brother ,he said they now have a 2 beer limit.They check the coolers.

[KarlK]

not back in 1982 or before that,I asked my brother ,he said they now have a 2 beer limit.They check the coolers.

Party poopers :mad:

[Pdoe]

I posted some basic dental info on the website today. This might be useful for the most basic type of rule-outs.
http://www.princessdoe.org/dental.html

I also added a page for the 25th anniversary memorial service to be held on 7/15/2007. That page will be updated frequently until all of the details are worked out.
http://www.princessdoe.org/memorial.html

[ihadcabinfever]

Party poopers :mad:

LOL You would'nt allow your children up there back in the day. My mother did not know , My father however , would flip.

" Now that's good God D$#M way to get yourself killed" ! I quote.

That's the lecture we got after he would find out anywhere we went.

Anyway I doubt that is where she may have come from but the only place around there was the College or the river. I believe she was not a college student.


Am I reading that dental chart right ? She did not have her permanent molars? She was just a baby.:(

[ihadcabinfever]

Okay , I read the information again. It could have been someone on the river . I am just thinking that because (the no shoes) no underwear on could mean she took off a bathing suit? SO if it was something related to this river theory, it would mean someone heading east because all the rental places are in Pa. Huh........

One more thing who would know that the Cemetary was there in July? the leaves from the highway would block the veiw? I never knew it was there. You can't see it? I don't think you can, Ahhhh unless you were going to cut through to 94 towards NYS?

[Pdoe]

Okay , I read the information again. It could have been someone on the river . I am just thinking that because (the no shoes) no underwear on could mean she took off a bathing suit? SO if it was something related to this river theory, it would mean someone heading east because all the rental places are in Pa. Huh........

One more thing who would know that the Cemetary was there in July? the leaves from the highway would block the veiw? I never knew it was there. You can't see it? I don't think you can, Ahhhh unless you were going to cut through to 94 towards NYS?

The river thing is definitely a possibility. That is the problem with this case though, too many possibilities!! Quite a few different camps and campgrounds out in that area as well. As for the cemetery, it's a large one for the area and easily visible from Route 94 no matter what time of year. As for the teeth, are you referring to "unerrupted" remarks? If so those relate to wisdom teeth and the age can vary widely if/when they break through.

[ihadcabinfever]

Is the Cemetary visible from Rte. 80 ? Also most people that went there during that time would have been 14-19 maybe older. I know I went there 2x and that was before I drove. When I turned 17 the woods would have been my last choice to go. (I really would have had to be bored )
I have been thinking about this earlier today, I am wondering if she either dove in or fell off something into the river ? I am just thnking why the Graveyard. Would that mean remorse? So weird.

People that don't live or grow up near the water don't have that fear or (common sense)
They don't think before they would jump or dive right in . Right into the rocks below rushing water.

Or Boat oar? hmmmmmmmmm

[ihadcabinfever]

One more thing which picture is more realistic? The computer one or the sketch? Can anyone be sure? The sketch looks like her hair dryed the wrong way ,(flat) parted to the left and I know it looks shorter lin the front , like it would have been feathered. It's angled that way.(WATER)

Oh I don't think any 14 or 15 year olds would be telling their parents they were going there either. Unless it was with someone older and responsible.
I have no idea why , but I keep thinking this must be someone like a cousin or relative. I am guessing a cousin . I don't know why. Maybe they did not know she showed , they could not get out ? To meet.
Maybe she wanted to go from someone bragging about the location the party , swimming camping rafting and that may have brought her to the area, I keep thinking why isn't someone looking for her and all the girls that really look like her the timing of the missing is off? Urggggggg....

[Pdoe]

Is the Cemetary visible from Rte. 80 ? Also most people that went there during that time would have been 14-19 maybe older. I know I went there 2x and that was before I drove. When I turned 17 the woods would have been my last choice to go. (I really would have had to be bored )
I have been thinking about this earlier today, I am wondering if she either dove in or fell off something into the river ? I am just thnking why the Graveyard. Would that mean remorse? So weird.

People that don't live or grow up near the water don't have that fear or (common sense)
They don't think before they would jump or dive right in . Right into the rocks below rushing water.

Or Boat oar? hmmmmmmmmm

The cemetery is several miles from route 80 (5-7ish.) Route 94 runs right in front of it. The graveyard is strange for dumping a body. If you wanted a body not to be found there are a million better places in Blairstown. Route 94 is heavily traveled when compared to other area roads. Also, the A&P is directly across from the cemetery, and had a well lighted parking lot etc. Compared to other areas in Blairstown, this seems higher risk. However, if the person dumping the body was not from the area and headed on route 80 WB (from NYC or Newark for example), this is one of the last exits before the tolls and NJ/PA state line and route 94 did not have much on it back then. The A&P would be one of the first landmarks you would see. She was brutally beaten so I don't know if an errant dive would explain the injuries.

[ihadcabinfever]

Oh... I thought it was head severe trauma. As in only the upper part . I thought about her teeth , it mentioned fractures and I was thinking impact. As say , a football player wear mouth guard so they don't damage their teeth causing fractures from compression .



If you were heading Rte 80 east you could get off at the 94 exit? Does the sign say Blairstown or 94 also at that time?
I don't really pay attention to signs, landmarks , I know it's a bad habit.

Is there a stream near the Cemetary? Or water nearby? I was reading about M.B. and the "W" theory. That's all.

[Pdoe]

Oh... I thought it was head severe trauma. As in only the upper part . I thought about her teeth , it mentioned fractures and I was thinking impact. As say , a football player wear mouth guard so they don't damage their teeth causing fractures from compression .



If you were heading Rte 80 east you could get off at the 94 exit? Does the sign say Blairstown or 94 also at that time?
I don't really pay attention to signs, landmarks , I know it's a bad habit.

Is there a stream near the Cemetary? Or water nearby? I was reading about M.B. and the "W" theory. That's all.

The impression I have so far is that she was beaten about the head. I don't have details but that is what it sounds like. I'll see if I can find out more though. As for the exit, it mentions both Blairstown and 94 on the sign. Route 94 starts there. If I am not mistaken, it's exit 4C. And yes, there is a creek nearby. It runs right by the southeast corner of the cemetery.

[outofthedark]

Princess Doe now has a page on America's Most Wanted: http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=44823

[ihadcabinfever]

The impression I have so far is that she was beaten about the head. I don't have details but that is what it sounds like. I'll see if I can find out more though. As for the exit, it mentions both Blairstown and 94 on the sign. Route 94 starts there. If I am not mistaken, it's exit 4C. And yes, there is a creek nearby. It runs right by the southeast corner of the cemetery.

Well after reading AMW , forget this.........

[ihadcabinfever]

On AMW they have the dental picture, Is the left front tooth overlapping?
It looks chipped but I guess it was from the trama inflicted on her.

You know , It is even worse that this happened in the graveyard. How scared she must have been. What a B#$%RD:furious:

[outofthedark]

I can't see an overlapping front tooth- it would be nice if they had profile images of the skeletal jaw

[ihadcabinfever]

I can't see an overlapping front tooth- it would be nice if they had profile images of the skeletal jaw

Looking at the front teeth , is the left tooth turning left like it is crowded? I know it is chipped ,I just did'nt know if it was that way naturally or from the injury. I can't tell.
I don't look at teeth, doe network people taught me to look at the eye set and forehead. Hairline ect. You can change alot of things in appearance but not the eye set.

[outofthedark]

Looking at the front teeth , is the left tooth turning left like it is crowded? I know it is chipped ,I just did'nt know if it was that way naturally or from the injury. I can't tell.
I don't look at teeth, doe network people taught me to look at the eye set and forehead. Hairline ect. You can change alot of things in appearance but not the eye set.

I think I see something now- one of her other teeth on the bottom looks like it got pushed back or something