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pinkfly
06-22-2011, 09:17 AM
ICA cleans things, CA cleans things.....no point has been made here.

This kind of science can prove something but cannot prove a negative.

waste of time because there was nothing there and that means nothing. Evidence cannot connect her to places we know she was either.

Gnatcatcher
06-22-2011, 09:17 AM
Annnnnddd.... Ashton rocks with the geologist!

Nali87
06-22-2011, 09:17 AM
The defense kills me. She she was willing to throw away her daughter; are they really expecting me to believe she's not going to get rid of a pair of dirty shoes? Not with Amy's money in reach to purchase new ones. She had 31 days to get rid of the evidence.

Tiki
06-22-2011, 09:17 AM
please tell JB not to start every question with "and"!!

ami
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
Hee! Witness explains to JA what speculation means, and he thanks her. Funny!!

ExpectingUnicorns
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
Another meaningless defense witness.

ahoyhoy
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
Give it up, JB! She's YOUR witness!

Phoebeb
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
WESH is so jumpy for me today- anyone having start/ stop issues?

mombomb
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
8:55 (no Jury)

SIDEBAR #1 no court reporter (8:55-8:58)

Defense's first witness - Maureen Bottrell

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF MAUREEN BOTTRELL BY JB

A geologist forensic examiner with the FBI for 16 years.

BS and MS in geology from UGA. Also participated in training and additional courses. She's lectured and given courses. She published an article on glass analysis. She has testified approx. 40 times in federal and state courts.

Witness tendered as an expert in geology, no objection by JA.

She received evidence in this case for analysis.

A geologic exam for forensic purposes involves a comparison analysis or a determination of what a material is. They first look at an item to see if they have anything on it to compare. If so, they will collect an item and then begin analysis - color, texture and mineralogy.

Two microscopes are used - a stereo microscope, and one that transmit different types of lights.

There are 3 geologic forensic examiners at the FBI.

3/4/11 report - she received items from the Sunfire - debris that had been collected from the trunk and around the trunk. She also received a shovel. She also received items from the A's - 22 pairs of shoes and a transport bag. She also received items from Suburban Drive.

Her conclusions .....

JA whispering with JB

Stipulation that soil samples from the scene were taken after the top layer had been taken away.

Her conclusions - trunk vehicle was a mix of materials - there was no comparison done of the material in the trunk and the scene.

Shovel - they did a promenade study - this study was stopped when they found the body. She was never asked to do anything else with it.

Shoes - majority either had no geologic material on them (appeared to be unworn) or the material was so limited. 3 pairs - they were able to do comparison - all had materials different from the crime scene.

Transport bag - there was insufficient material for comparison.

OBJECTION JA - what item?

Transport bag was the bag that the shoes came in. This is tested because some of the soil from the shoes might fall off in the bag. There was no material for comparison.

No further questions.

CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA

She could not determine that the 3 shoes were never at Suburban Drive. Soil could have not stuck, could have fallen off, could have become contaminated, or had never been there.

Asbence of soil is meaningless as to whether a person had been there.

RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION BY JB

She did not find anything meaningful to connect ICA to Suburban Drive. She is only looking at the items she received and testifying to what she found

Witness excused. (9:18)

wenwe4
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
JB w/Maureen Bottrell - geologist & forensic exam FBI 16 yrs...in trace elements unit...Masters Geology - instrumentation and analysis...Geologist and Forensic Examiner - courses in Geology, soil materials, using analytical techniques....given several training classes....review article for glass analysis....soil minerals and glass....main duties geologic material rocks, soil, also glass and
testified 40 times federal, state - expert witness accepted

anayltical process in lab - geology exam useful - evidence sent to her - comparison analysis - could two or more materials come from source - look @ shoes to determine if soil from a crime scene....

look @ materials color/texture/commonality- object has anything on them to compar - shoes with soil (if no soil - complete analysis) what is color and texture....if different stop...but if same will still go on.....how rounded individual sand grains ....do they contain similar occlusions -

prominance - stereo microscope - 400x magnification and transmitted light microscope with particular properties to allow identification of minerals - 2 typically use ...have other instruments @ disposal but rarely others are used....there are 3 geologists @ FBI

on 3/4/09 report - receive items from Pontiac Sunfire - received debris collected from trunk and received a shovel (Brian Burner's)....items from A home including shoes and transport bag...22 pairs of shoes....evidence markers from remains site on Surburban drive.....conclusions after conduct test? JA speaks w/JA on the side.......

samples taken from the scene after top layer was scraped per JA....JB concurs


material from trunk and soil did prominance study where did these materials come from....2 samples were set aside....mix of materials --can't do prominance study - can't know which come from each location....unsuitable for this type of study....

no comparison done between material in the car and the scene.....

shovel promininace study - where material come from.....underway test was done ....the body was found during this testing- testing was stopped not completed.....never asked to compare the scene with the shovel

majority of shoes had no geologic material on them - some appeared to be unworn...3 pairs of shoes had geologic material on them - but different from crime scene...some shoes had been worn but not much material on them....only 3 pair shoes with soil on them to compare......transport bg - insufficient material in transport bag to test......transport bag - bag shoes came in? yes my understanding....some soil might fall off shoes and go into bag.....nothing to connect kc's shoes to Surburban drive....no further questions

JA - 3 pair of shoes you examined have never been to Surburban Drive? no - you cannot say that....you can walk across scene without colleting soil....you can walk thru and pick up soil but it falls off.....walk across area get soil on shoes and go on to next area and get more soil on shoes and mix it together - out of 4 possiblity cannot tell for sure....absence of soil is meaningless in establishing if some one was actually there or not? correct!

JB employed by FBI - look for all these items was your purpose of looking...didn't find anything meaningful connecting kc to surburban drive....NO can't testify to science can't see.....all speculating......if I were to chose one of the 4 but I am not speculating .....only testifying to items received and tested.....

witness excused

Whisperer
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why Baez called this witness,,,,,

Blue Ridge
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
I bet MB is wondering why they even called her..........LOL

minazoe
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
how many feet in from the street? 19? covered with leaves? shoe evidence is a wash.

anb
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
Yikes...JA just turned this woman into a prosecution witness!!:great:

watergirl
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
That was a waste. A huge waste.

RammerJammer
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
I think JB thinks he won that one. Not.

dunlurken
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
Am I here? someone respond please.

miss plum
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
A-ha! JB has got me, and I'm sure the world, really wavering now after that scintillating exchange. I wish I could notify ICA so she could stop pouting every time someone mentions her daughter's body being found.

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:18 AM
Madelyn Montgomery? Who dat?

Softail
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
Madeline Montgomery is next.

scotslass
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
madeline montgomery who is this??

Turnadot
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
JA: can you determine if shoes have NEVER been to crime scene?
Witness: No - you can walk through the scene and get soil on your shoes and it will later fall off, especially sandy soil, or get new stuff mixed in.

(good to know for would-be criminals. ICA takes note (in my imagination))
And there we go.

31 days. Just sayin'.

Mamabear1963
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
I swear JA is doing more to see that Casey is getting a fair trial then Jose is.

this bears repeating again...and...again!!!

The only person doing more than JA is HHJP!!!

ami
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
WESH is so jumpy for me today- anyone having start/ stop issues?

Yes - the sound is smooth but picture freezes and unfreezes annoyingly.

Eidetic
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
KBelichWFTVKathi Belich, WFTV

Jury did not look at Casey this morning when it came in

17 minutes ago

Donjeta
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
JB in redirect: Ma'am, you're employed by the FBI to look for evidence, are you not?

These questions may be what he was taught in the lawyer school but it sounds idiotic. It's his witness, he just spent a while in the introduction detailing her work experience and now he asks if she works for the FBI??? Get to the point.

There was no point to this redirect, actually. So never mind.

tehcloser
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
I'm beginning to think he is not going to call any one but experts.

Blue Ridge
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
Yikes...JA just turned this woman into a prosecution witness!!:great:

He seems to have a knack for that :biggrin:

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:19 AM
Madeline Montgomery another forensic investigator.

TotallyObsessed
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
please tell JB not to start every question with "and"!!

his command of the english language boggles the mind.

"and the reason you test the bag is to show that dirt could fall into it"

not

"The reason you would have tested the bag is to show that dirt could have fallen into it."

summerthyme
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
KBelichWFTVKathi Belich, WFTV

Jury did not look at Casey this morning when it came in

17 minutes ago

That's telling. I think their minds are made up.

Shelby1
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
bobkealing (http://twitter.com/#%21/bobkealing) bob kealing



Did not see George's alleged mistress but do anticipate her soon.“@Shelby947 (http://twitter.com/Shelby947): @bobkealing (http://twitter.com/bobkealing) Any idea who else is waiting to testify today?”

distracted 1976
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
Am I here? someone respond please.

Morning!:seeya:

azscr4mbl3r
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
I am starting to think they go to the sidebar just out of habit now...

BritsKate
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
Anyone else think the DT is just calling meaningless witnesses so they can say in CS 'We called twice the amount of experts as the SA'?

None of their witnesses has given evidence proving Casey's innocence IMO.

Quiche
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
Am I here? someone respond please.

Helllllooo! You're here... :)

scotslass
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
kbelichwftvkathi belich, wftv

jury did not look at casey this morning when it came in

17 minutes ago

bbm

lmao "it"

grammieto5
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
I wish my TV/Computer had an ignore button so it would go blank when Baez was on.

YEP! When JB is talking I turn it down and read here. I just can't stand to hear his voice LOL The way he asks his questions really anoys me

Oakley
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
If someone doesn't tell me why bill rodriguez isn't coming back, I'm pretty sure I will die. TIA.

Not sure but I think he became a state's witness after Jeff A took his depo recently. Also he perjured himself on the stand when he (falsely) represented himself as a co-founder of the Body Farm.

NavySubMom
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
ICA does not appear as confident to me anymore, in her eyes, as if a bomb could drop any minute as to any of JB's witnesses for her, like she is afraid of what he will have them say, IMO, MOO

Novice Seeker
06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
Am I here? someone respond please.



You're here!!

ami
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Forensic toxicologist with FBI for 15 years.

rbrnmw2
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
big deal there was months between the crime and discovery of Caylee if I'm a juror that testimony has no bearing IMO

TotallyObsessed
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Is it just me or is JB MAJOR SUCKING UP to HHJP today? "may it please the court" "thank you Your Honor"

barf.

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Forensic Toxicoligist

Macushla
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
She's a chemist!

FaerieB
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Just guessing...but I bet this witness gets turned into a witness for the prosecution, too. :twocents:

scotslass
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
ohh a chemist

ConstableCruller
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
She's a chemist!

QuietStorm
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Earlier I saw JB bump into KC and she mouthed out a big ole OW and shot him quite the dirty look.

npcougar
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
A chemist. Time to do a little dance.

ebedeeb
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Wow...a real chemist.

GiantPickle
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Good morning everyone - any idea how long today will be? I think I heard it was shortened but by how much?

Hoping4Justice
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
She's a chemist!!!!!

8truthseeker8
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
ICA had a funny look in her eyes when this new witness took the stand...... jealousy???

Softail
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
She is a forensic toxicologist.

OMG... Now we are going to hear about the lack of chemicals found in Caylee's remains. :rolleyes:

monique
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
A chemist!!!!

Azcrabcakes
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Since today is only a half day I may actually get some housework done this afternoon.
My house is not as clean as I would like and the DT is to blame.

I do not need a chemist to prove MY house has suffered. So has my posterior - I have gained weight from so much sitting! Since my husband got sucked in, he does zip now as well! The fault ALL lies with ICA and the DT!

dunlurken
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Morning!:seeya:
Thank you....... New computer which is driving me crazy getting used to it.

Trying to catch up on the testimony I've missed.

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Oh lord...hours and hours to tell us there was no drugs found in bone samples. Which of course, we know is highly unlikely after all this time even if Caylee WAS drugged.

*yawn*

Linda7NJ
06-22-2011, 09:21 AM
:great:a chemist!:floorlaugh:

megsy
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
Good morning everyone - any idea how long today will be? I think I heard it was shortened but by how much?I think he said noon because his meeting starts at 1.

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
JB asks whats the difference between Forensic Toxicology and Forensic chemistry

ahoyhoy
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
Lemme guess---no chloroform in the bones or hair? We already know this JB. The jury does too.

sagsag
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
Yay, more meaningless "absence of _____" testimony.

ami
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
Forensic chemistry: can be anything - bombs, drugs, arson

Forensic toxicology: specific to drugs and poisons, usu testing body fluids or tissues.

Shelby1
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
bobkealing (http://twitter.com/#%21/bobkealing) bob kealing



Appears to be taking notes“@SharonHygienius (http://twitter.com/SharonHygienius): @bobkealing (http://twitter.com/bobkealing) #CaseyAnthony (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23CaseyAnthony) #CayleeAnthony (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23CayleeAnthony) What is juror #4 doing?

watcher9
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
They have put another speaker on the jury side of the room.
I can even hear the swearing in of witnesses.
I guess that was to avoid having to use those wireless speakers.

Florida Native
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
I am starting to think they go to the sidebar just out of habit now...

Someone here said yesterday that they wondered if JA called a mercy sidebar to remind JB he was actually on the defense team. :floorlaugh: I could not stop laughing at that.

reeseeva
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
please tell JB not to start every question with "and"!!

I was just going to post the same thing....It is beyond annoying, when he says Annnnd!!

Trident
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why Baez called this witness,,,,,

To prove there were no soil samples, when the testing was done, to link ICA to the dump site. MOO

Linda7NJ
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
the absence of evidence defense....YAWN....

butwhatif?
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
A forensic CHEMIST!!! hehe

Novice Seeker
06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
Is it just me or is JB MAJOR SUCKING UP to HHJP today? "may it please the court" "thank you Your Honor"

barf.


yeah, but HHJP isn't playing.

logicalgirl
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
WESH is so jumpy for me today- anyone having start/ stop issues?

Have you taken your "sleep" function on your computer to "never"? You may find what you are experiencing is your feed dropping off because your computer is moving to sleep mode because of in activity.

distracted 1976
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
I think that JB thought that he needed to put on a case and wow the jurors with witnesses.
He failed to realize that it is only helpful when your witness actually HELPS your case.

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
She's a chemist!!!!!

Yes, but clearly not a botanist. :floorlaugh:

sissyjane
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
Forensic chemistry? She's a chemist!

Macushla
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
I wonder if he is going to ask her "As a chemist, are you aware of whether or not Dr. Vass is a chemist?

Insomnia Momma
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
OT - I SOOO want to see DC's depo from 3-28-11. I wonder if it's available any anywhere?

Back on topic - Thank GOD it's only a half day if it's all forensics again, my mind is still a little numb from yesterday.

newsjunkie
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
Am I here? someone respond please.

I see you. . :seeya:

Tipstaff
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
JB parading professional witnesses in front of the jury hoping they will think all these FBI'ers etc will lend some professional validity to his side of the case.

ami
06-22-2011, 09:23 AM
Jeez man, since poor Caylee was left without any body tissues or blood, all she had to test were bones that wouldn't have shown any poisons or drugs even if they'd been used as murder weapon.

Dragonlady
06-22-2011, 09:24 AM
What is is JB's fascination with Chemists?

Whisperer
06-22-2011, 09:24 AM
....But is this witness a member of the Girl Scouts of America?

Dr.Fessel
06-22-2011, 09:24 AM
Oh boy, I see another State's witness.

Statements like decomposed body, left in trash field, 6 months flooded swamp. All the terms coming up.

Just K
06-22-2011, 09:24 AM
So, she has a bachelor's in biology and took a few grad classes in Chemistry...so not a chemist and not a doctor, Correct?

Trident
06-22-2011, 09:24 AM
the absence of evidence defense....YAWN....

Absense, yes, but consider the opposite, IF their had been. I think this is a somewhat decent point. However, weren't their boots in the car that CA took out and most likely cleaned?

logicalgirl
06-22-2011, 09:24 AM
I just want to say I think Baez is being extremely thoughtful this morning.

I wonder if he was reading our message board last night.

Here he is putting on his "nothing" witnesses, giving me time to water my plants, make my breakfast, and I may even get a shower in before we start the good stuff.

Very nice Baez, thank you!

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:24 AM
Think this lady has a chemistry set? ;)

suzihawk
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
YEP! When JB is talking I turn it down and read here. I just can't stand to hear his voice LOL The way he saks his questions really anoys me

LOL I know this was a typo, but JB sure 'sacks' his questions, alright. :)

sappysoul
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why Baez called this witness,,,,,

I'm still wondering about that too. I guess when your case is so weak you call anyone that can't say anything bad about your client although their testimony means nothing.

Moe
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
Morning all how dare my sister call me at nine.
ICA looking pretty miserable today, not happy.

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
Hair sample Q59 hair mass is what she received to test.

Whisperer
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
Mar 2009 she received hair sample to test.

TotallyObsessed
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
I do not need a chemist to prove MY house has suffered. So has my posterior - I have gained weight from so much sitting! Since my husband got sucked in, he does zip now as well! The fault ALL lies with ICA and the DT!

Let's all call Morgan and Morgan and suggest a class action against JB and company, so we can get a verdict and garnish all the future proceeds he will be earning.:great:

ami
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
So, she has a bachelor's in biology and took a few grad classes in Chemistry...so not a chemist and not a doctor, Correct?

I think she said BS in Chemistry from GW in DC.

Heh, acronyms galore.

Eidetic
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
big deal there was months between the crime and discovery of Caylee if I'm a juror that testimony has no bearing IMO

It does for me. It says this woman acknowledges the death of her baby June 16th then hid her in trash bags duct taped thrown in the woods with beer bottles amongst other trash to rot and be chewed for 6 months.

SeaNymph
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
Wow - Madeline Montgomery must have been 10 when she started with the FBI....AND....she's a chemist! :dance:

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:25 AM
Meh...all JA has to do with respect to any hair evidence she gives is ask her how long chemicals can be detected in hair.

Done.

Cherry Baby
06-22-2011, 09:26 AM
Oh holy smoke - I was walking back in the room from taking a bathroom break and thought the next witenss said she was with The Society of Friends. JB called a Quaker to the stand? To testify to what? That ICA as a secret Quaker wouldn't be capable of murder?

Then I realized she's some lab gal.

jon_burrows
06-22-2011, 09:26 AM
So, she has a bachelor's in biology and took a few grad classes in Chemistry...so not a chemist and not a doctor, Correct?

I caught that too. She only has a BS and took some graduate courses.

IMO

KMouse
06-22-2011, 09:26 AM
Anyone else think the DT is just calling meaningless witnesses so they can say in CS 'We called twice the amount of experts as the SA'?

None of their witnesses has given evidence proving Casey's innocence IMO.

It's like when you were in high school and had to write a 5 page essay and you wrote big to fill up the space on the paper.
That is exactly what this defense is. Filler.

Lucylu7
06-22-2011, 09:26 AM
Eventually Baez is going to have to get to the meat of his story, I think he is actually scared of what George and others will say on the stand,keeps putting it off.One more day please till I get to the end of the hall!!!

shellsbells
06-22-2011, 09:26 AM
I'm beginning to think he is not going to call any one but experts.

I think you might be right, but imo that's a huge gamble for them since during opening statements they gave a definitive narrative for what happened. If they just keep up this line of "I didn't see anything" from experts and this whole conspiracy theory, it isn't doing anything to create reasonable doubt I think. Especially considering half their witnessess end up verifying the prosecution's science. Maybe they would have been better served just putting ICA up there to tell whatever tale she wanted.

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:27 AM
Checking for chemicals in the hair. The hair was in a swamp for 6 months and hurricane what could be in it.. swamp water.

sophie01
06-22-2011, 09:27 AM
Or she could have slipped them off in the car and chanced going in the woods with just her socks on, then tossed them out during the 31 days.

Or she could have worn those things that you slip over your shoes. They wear them in hospitals, people who clean carpet wear them, people who delivered my furniture wore them. I think they can be purchased at any hardwear store, maybe thay had them in Cindy's office location.

ami
06-22-2011, 09:27 AM
Hair.

Any chemicals that may be within the hair itself - use liquid nitrogen to grind hair into dust, then extracted overnight in a chemical solvent, then purify that solvent into an extract to test on a machine (LC/MS).

cityslick
06-22-2011, 09:27 AM
JB parading professional witnesses in front of the jury hoping they will think all these FBI'ers etc will lend some professional validity to his side of the case.

All he has to do is instill some sort of reasonable doubt. He does that by attacking links, no matter how weak or strong they are, that place ICA with the body or the body location. Granted, this is probably not being very effective, but it's the only defense they have. They cannot defend 31 days, so instead they try to remove ICA from the recovery site.

pinkfly
06-22-2011, 09:27 AM
These experts really just want to tell the truth and prefer when lawyers ask the correct questions to get the whole picture expressed. She will do fine with JA

Tiki
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
JA: Would you expect to find any evidence in hair that has been underwater during summer in Florida for 6 months?
Witness: No
JA: No further questions.

.

FaerieB
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
stevehelling Steve Helling
When someone is thrown out of the #caseyanthony courtroom, a standby audience member is brought in. #caseyanthony is a hot ticket!

ami
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
She was initially testing for Xanax and Klonopin (sp?) in Caylee's hair.

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
She tested for words I cannot spell. but she says it was zanax in laymans terms. and the testing was negative.

Whisperer
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
...I recall those Benzos and they were found in the Anthony home.

AnotherGladysKravitz
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
Is that ICA blushing while they speak of drugs?

STEADFAST
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
ICA does not appear as confident to me anymore, in her eyes, as if a bomb could drop any minute as to any of JB's witnesses for her, like she is afraid of what he will have them say, IMO, MOO

I agree. Whenever a witness goes up to testify, she looks very wary and/or irritated -- and these are the witnesses for her side!

Before trial started today, though, she looked like she was trying to contain her glee. Not sure what that was all about.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb202/toshroger/6221.png

Searchfortruth
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
How can you, so blatantly, waste the taxpayers money, the jurors time, the experts time, without batting an eye ? Jose has no right to call anyone, but himself and his client, "morally bankrupt".

Softail
06-22-2011, 09:28 AM
She checked the hair for Zanny(Xanax) and Benny(Benzos).

ahoyhoy
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Direct any Klonopin questions here-----NOT nearly as good as Xanax, IMO.
(All prescription, of course)

Whisperer
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
They may be testing all the drugs in the home. OOPs!. They are testing for drugs that are popular on the street

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Did she test for chloroform?

ExpectingUnicorns
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
If this forensic chemist testifies to having found some new discovery I will be grateful. But if all she does in reconfirm that there were no drugs found in Caylee's hair, marrow or bones I will be, once again, frustrated.

What does Jose think he is accomplishing by authenticating the state's own findings?

Tipstaff
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
I going to buy some of those drugs - need to calm myself down!

Can you believe JB didn't take the time to learn to pronounce the name of the drugs with his own witness?

laniefi
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Morning! :seeya:

Is it bad that all I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher when I lsiten to this testimony. I am absolutely exhausted, I can only imagine how the jury feels.

:aktion1:

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Wow they were looking for 9 other drugs as well. 8 in the same class, valium, rupies, etc. huh did she say the "date rape drug"

gamom
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
Ummm the shoes she wore that day could have been thrown away.

Or washed like the pants that smelled of death.

Hoping4Justice
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
I wonder if Mister Baez will mention to her that Cindy gave the investigators the wrong hairbrush, like he did in the State's case.

TotallyObsessed
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
How the heck is the court reporter keeping up with this? I would just pray that nobody asked me to read the question back to them.

ami
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
So FBI was given reason to believe they had to carefully test the baby's hair for drugs and sedatives.

Softail
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
Surprise Surprise - None of the 9 drugs she tested for were present. :rolleyes:

Mendara
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
Can testing a hair sample tell you that the victim was suffocated to death by duct tape over her mouth?

No

Next witness please. We know chloroform would have to be used for months for it to show up in hair if it even does. So this is moot.

okiedokietoo
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
Is there a defense strategy in works here with Ica's hair draped over her shoulder and the testimony of witness testing Caylee's hair mass? If so what?

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
Ketamine?! Who the heck would ever give THAT to a child? For what purpose...to watch them trip?

WTH?!

Azcrabcakes
06-22-2011, 09:30 AM
his command of the english language boggles the mind.

"and the reason you test the bag is to show that dirt could fall into it"

not

"The reason you would have tested the bag is to show that dirt could have fallen into it."

I am <self-snipping> to avoid a TO.

npcougar
06-22-2011, 09:31 AM
I'm learning soooooo much new stuff this morning. ;)

Shelby1
06-22-2011, 09:31 AM
MagpieFromHinky (http://twitter.com/#%21/MagpieFromHinky) Pamela



River Cruz aka Crystal Holloway came to light awhile back as POSSIBLY having an affair & loaning money to George. She or her sis were

MagpieFromHinky (http://twitter.com/#%21/MagpieFromHinky) Pamela



in jail w/kc short time. Her sis sold story to media that River had a brief affair w/GA. There was some records they knew each other





MagpieFromHinky (http://twitter.com/#%21/MagpieFromHinky) Pamela



River & sis had involved themselves in search & memorials. River denied affair but said she loaned GA 4k. George denied both

Azcrabcakes
06-22-2011, 09:31 AM
Ketamine?! Who the heck would ever give THAT to a child? For what purpose...to watch them trip?

WTH?!

Um, a person who would leave a child's body in the woods?

dani
06-22-2011, 09:31 AM
I'm watching the trial on WFTV and following along on their blog. Someone asked if the jurors know who the alternates are and the moderator said "No". Now I'm wondering what that meant?

I'm under the impression there are 12 jurors and 6 alternates so a total of 18. Is this moderator saying that no one knows who the final 12 jurors are at this point?

I'm almost hoping this is the case because I worry about #4, as many of our WSers do. Hoping I am making myself clear. TIA

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:31 AM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Montgomery explains they break the hair and turn it into a dust- they break it down with a liquid chromatograph mass spectrometer.

Eidetic
06-22-2011, 09:31 AM
KBelichWFTVKathi Belich, WFTV

She tested hair from Caylee's hair mass

5 minutes ago


KBelichWFTVKathi Belich, WFTV

An FBI toxicologist is on the stand.. She looked for drugs and poisons.. We already know none were found.

6 minutes ago

Nali87
06-22-2011, 09:31 AM
All he has to do is instill some sort of reasonable doubt. He does that by attacking links, no matter how weak or strong they are, that place ICA with the body or the body location. Granted, this is probably not being very effective, but it's the only defense they have. They cannot defend 31 days, so instead they try to remove ICA from the recovery site.

But he has already stated that Caylee died and that the body found was Caylee. If he loses this case, it's going to be because of that huge unexplained gap in his theory. Caylee drowned but Roy Kronk somehow "found her body somewhere" and put her there. If he had gone with Caylee drowned - Casey panicked and got rid of Caylee's body it could've instill some reasonable doubt. He's trying to distance Casey from the dumping ground without offering a credible explanation as to how Caylee got there. (If Roy Kronk find the body, where did he find it? Did Casey/George leave her outside with the garbage? Put her against the meter?)

No credible defense what so ever.

jamiect
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
#CaseyAnthony Four or five jurors noted negative results. Helps defense argue Casey does not have history of drugging #CayleeAnthony
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:31 AM

KMouse
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
All he has to do is instill some sort of reasonable doubt. He does that by attacking links, no matter how weak or strong they are, that place ICA with the body or the body location. Granted, this is probably not being very effective, but it's the only defense they have. They cannot defend 31 days, so instead they try to remove ICA from the recovery site.

Exactly.
They want to put as much space as possible between Caylee and the car and between Casey and the dump site.

summerthyme
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
Ooops JB never knows when to stop! :great:

Dragonlady
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
ICA was to cheap to buy real drugs, why bother when she can easily buy Benadryl to knock out poor Caylee.

Blue Ridge
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
This witness is well spoken and clear.... good witness.

ami
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
Wow, there are controlled studies in which a person is given a drug and then a hair sample is taken.

Seriously! Never knew that. Where would one sign up for such a study?

shellsbells
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
Caylee wasn't dosed with Ketamine, thank God. Did the prosecution ever bring up the possibility of ICA drugging Caylee? If I was on the jury I'd be wondering about why they tested for all this stuff if all I knew about was cholorform.

pinkfly
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
BS degree.....JB is not getting much gunpowder behind his shots or his misfires, is he?

TotallyObsessed
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
I am <self-snipping> to avoid a TO.

?? Me?

Eidetic
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
Ketamine?! Who the heck would ever give THAT to a child? For what purpose...to watch them trip?

WTH?!

"Special K", a horse tranquilizer.

Mohabi
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
So what exactly was the point of bringing in this witness?

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
Here comes JA... Making this another state witness.

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
There ya go...limited ability to test positively for drugs after a certain time. So...chloroform wouldn't show up anyway.

Meaningless.

Reality Orlando
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
Huh? Why would JB ask these questions?

gamom
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
I going to buy some of those drugs - need to calm myself down!

Can you believe JB didn't take the time to learn to pronounce the name of the drugs with his own witness?

I think it is his way to connect with the jury. I am in the pharmaceutical industry and I can tell you these words are not easy to pronoucne. I am sure many on the jury can't pronounce it either and it's JB's way of saying "see, I am just like you". One of the things I give JB credit for is, he is (or trys to be) very charming.

Sleuth5
06-22-2011, 09:32 AM
Back to Baez University, I see. I will be seeking a full tuition refund.

RammerJammer
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
There's that word again....meaningless!

Laynee
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
ahh, even in controlled testing, when a person is given the drug, sometimes it is NOT detected--ha!

Mendara
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
okay so she just said that even after controlled testing knwoing the drug was given the drug does not show up. So is she testifying for the defense or prosecution?

So their may have been chloroform?

pinkfly
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
JA : So this really means nothing.....correct hair is not the best thing to test for these

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Hair is not the best test for drug exposure per the witness of question of JA

mitzi
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Baez is making this waaaaaay too easy for Jeff.

BTW Good morning!

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
"Special K", a horse tranquilizer.

It causes halucinations. Just gonna have to trust me on this one. :innocent:

ahoyhoy
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Ketamine?! Who the heck would ever give THAT to a child? For what purpose...to watch them trip?

WTH?!

NOTHING would shock me after the teddy bear photos & the 'Strange Breakfast'. ICA strikes me as exactly the type to think that would be funny.
JMO

bobloblaw
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
What time are we going till today? Thanks.

TotallyObsessed
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
"Special K", a horse tranquilizer.

I think she had that name saved in her phone....we all thought it was a drug dealer or something, but IIRC it was a friend of hers.

ami
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Heh.

Witness: "Hair is not the best meter for testing drug exposure"

Hamsterdance
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
"So in summary the forensic result is basically meaningless" LOLZ JA!!

Laynee
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Hair is NOT the best item for drug detections!

Oakley
06-22-2011, 09:33 AM
"You can't prove a negative"

LKB and Jose et al spouting this on the air waves.

You know, that great argument of logic that is so profound :rolleyes:

Mendara
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
omg - she just hair is not the best evidence to test for these drugs.

oh lordy waste.

Will Jose be presenting anything on the drowning or abuse? Anything?

laserdisc10
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
Finally ! someone texted JB to tell him HOW to ASK a question instead of continually *leading*

Now I hope they text me to explain *how* he qualified as a lawyer

scotslass
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
WTG JA

MM - hair is not the best test subject for drug exposure... (PP)

move on then JB

ahoyhoy
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
ICA thinking about cutting of the lowest 4 inches of her hair before somebody tests it

Blue Ridge
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
She can't test for chloroform in hair samples.

ami
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
"If the drug killed the person, would it show up in the hair?"

No.

"Did you test for chloroform?"

No.

Serjen
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
I'm watching the trial on WFTV and following along on their blog. Someone asked if the jurors know who the alternates are and the moderator said "No". Now I'm wondering what that meant?

I'm under the impression there are 12 jurors and 6 alternates so a total of 18. Is this moderator saying that no one knows who the final 12 jurors are at this point?

I'm almost hoping this is the case because I worry about #4, as many of our WSers do. Hoping I am making myself clear. TIA

Only they don't know, everyone else does know. #4 is a juror.

adb263
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
Good Morning all!!!! Getting here late, after reading back through summaries, doesn't look like I missed anything...

coloradoteacher
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
I am going to call Dr. Drew and tell him that they have mentioned AGAIN that they tested her hair for Xanax. He keeps saying "I don't know why they did not test for this." It drives me nuts.

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
Meaningless testimony...next.

pinkfly
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
JA got chloroform in there...she said she can’t test hair for chloroform.

shellsbells
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
"What other kind of meaningless work do you do at the FBI"???

coco puff
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
SHe is saying that all of her tests for drugs have been negative. Does this mean that Caylee was not drugged regulary with common drugs like Xanax, mean that She didn't drug her child routinely to go out and party so ... this tends to lead one to think that this is not a "put your child to sleep while you go party gone awry accident".

grammieto5
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
Earlier I saw JB bump into KC and she mouthed out a big ole OW and shot him quite the dirty look.

Oh that's interesting. Yesterday she kept rubbing her arm and frowning ??? It could be just an act, maybe looking for attention.

Mendara
06-22-2011, 09:34 AM
not able to test from chloroform in hair. so what is the point here?

Dragonlady
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Meaningless?
JB is so rude!

barrysgirl
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
what?? did he really just ask her what other types of meaningless work she did???

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Witness cannot test hair for chloroform. OMG JB said how much of your work at the FBI is meaningless. witness.. I don't think any of my work is meaningless.

Reality Orlando
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
OMG...what kind of meaningless work do you do at the FBI?

jamiect
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
So tests were meaningless..again

Kenziema
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
What?!?

shotgun09
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
No he didn't just say to a witness that her work was meaningless! OMG!! What a <modsnip>!

Softail
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
OMG - JB just asked her what other "meaningless" work she does at the FBI?

She says she doesn't think her work is meaningless.

Girlrilla
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Did JB really just ask "What other meaningless work do you do?"

gamom
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
JB "what other meaningless work do you do at the FBI?" ha ha....

Actually a very good question from JB. Edit to add, that it shows she would not be doing the tests if they were indeed meaningless.

sleutherontheside
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Excellent cross.

Short and sweet.

tragco
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Baez asked the witness "What other kind of meaningless work do you do at the FBI?" How RUDE!

What'sThatClue
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Did I hear right? Did JB just ask the witness, "What other type of meaningless work do you do at the FBI?" I'm thinking I heard that wrong?

Drama Queen
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
meaningless work??? I would be so insulted.

tehcloser
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
I really do like it when JB has to get snippy with his own witnesses............

JSR
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Wow that was a really rude question by JB.

Novice Seeker
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
OMG!^#@^% why did Baez refer to this witness's work as meaningless

Girlrilla
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
JB "what other meaningless work do you do at the FBI?" ha ha....

Actually a very good question from JB.

I'm just now getting here, why is it a good question?

LiveLaughLuv
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
OMG! 'Baez just asked what other kind of 'meaningless' work do you do for the FBI....ans...I don't think any of my work is meaningless...wow, his witness and he's treating her with hostility...:maddening:

ami
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
JB gets all of nothing out of her on recross.

sleutherontheside
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
JB what other kind of meaningless work do you do on a daily basis?

kantoo
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
"sustained"
"sustained"

"SUSTAINED!"

mombomb
06-22-2011, 09:35 AM
9:18-9:19

SIDEBAR # 2

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF MADELINE MONTGOMERY BY JB:

A forensic toxicologist with the FBI for 15 years. BS in chemistry from George Washington University and has taken graduate level courses there. She has received FBI training.

Forensic chemistry is a very broad subject. Forensic toxicology is the detection and study of drugs and poisons in people. More than half of her work supports state and local LE doing tests they can't do.

She has published between 10 and 20 journal articles. She is an active member of SFC and ISSFC..

Scientific working group of Forensic Toxicologist is a group that gathers information to set standards to equalize things across the field.

She has testified 11 times in numerous State, Federal and military courts.

Witness tendered as expert in forensic chemistry and toxicology with no objection by JA.

She received a hair sample to test (Q-59 hair mass) - State's Exhibit 271.

Instruments used to test hair - looking for chemicals in hair - they break apart the hair with liquid nitrogen. This turns dust into a hair and then it is placed into a solvent. They then do purification and make an extract and then compare to known like hair and control samples. This is called a liquid CMS.

She tested for alprazolam (xanax) clonazepam. The testing was negative. They had a method that tested for 9 other drugs - so she tested again. Valium, ruffies (date rate drug), and other benzos - also ketamine. All negative.

Hair testing after limited exposure - they are not always able to test the drug in the hair. All she can say is she did the tests and they came back negative.

CROSS EXAM BY JA

The drug could have been given and not shown up in the hair. A negative result does not answer whether a person had been given the drug.

Length of hair allows someone to look at the length of the hair for prior drug use.

If someone had died immediately after exposure - it would not show in hair.

They could not test for chloroform.

She has no expertise in drowning.

RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION BY JB

She did not feel her work is meaningless.

They don't look for cloroform in hair samples.

Had a sample, did a test, results came back negative.

Witness is excused.

coloradoteacher
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
JB does not seem to know the meaning of the words hearsay or sustained.

Serjen
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
I think it is his way to connect with the jury. I am in the pharmaceutical industry and I can tell you these words are not easy to pronoucne. I am sure many on the jury can't pronounce it either and it's JB's way of saying "see, I am just like you". One of the things I give JB credit for is, he is (or trys to be) very charming.

You call it charming, I call it smarmy. :crazy:

wenwe4
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
JB w/Madeline Montgomery - forensic toxicologist w/FBI lab in Quantico - 15 yrs...bach science chemistry, grad level courses in forensic chem & toxicology...received train by FBI and instrument venders...contin ed .....forensic chemistry very broad subject from arson testing to explosive residue test....forensic toxicology look @ blood, urine, hair, brain .....equipment that not all LE has....we support FBI investigations all across US...published articles between 10-20 peer reviewed published ....active member of multiple forensic toxicology professional groups.

scientific working groups for toxicology....try to gather all quality assurance ....ie: all testers for DUIs....testified for State, Fed and Military court - expert witness for forensic toxicology & chemistry.....report of 3/13/09 -

received items to test - hair sample to test...hair mass Q-59 from Caylee...stipulation between prosecution and defense - item in evidence....SA #271 .... instruments use

hair is biologically complex...chemicals in the hair itself...incorporated as it grows....liquid nitrogen - cold/brittle breaks into dust.....purification solvent - further purifcation....compare with known samples....liquid chromotograph mass spectrometer...test for alprazolam - Xanex .....clonasapam - Klonipin.....benzodiazapenes - help calm them down or help sleep....testing done for the drug in hair sample was negative.....

look for a drug.....9 other drugs method superior to method we were using....timing worked out include 8 benzodiazpense - valium, roofies, series of other ones - chemicals for what breaks down....ketamine used in club scene for hallucinagenic .....results were all negative......new technique even more sensitive that normal use....10X more sensitive....no other drugs tested for......

in this report concerned didn't test any other items.....can't testify to anything outside of tests you do....can't guess how much use required before this drug will show up in hair...how much exposure .....hair test after limited exposure ...even if someone given a known amount of a drug - doesn't always show up in their hair ....can't say if 1 time or 20 times when it will show up in hair....no .....all can say did test and came back negative...correct

cross JA- in summary the negative result is forensic meaningless...doesn't mean the person has never been given the drug or not.....it doesn't answer the question ....it doesn't give you chronic use of drugs? if you look @ length of hair - chronic user of certain drug....in this case had to look @ hair in bulk as one sample....if use was done closely to time of death wouldn't be able to tell....no......can it tell if this child drown? I have no other expertise in that area...

JB - what other meaningless work is done in your lab?
I don't feel work is meaningless!

do you have knowledge if work done by another scientist (object X3 - sustain X2)

reason test is to search for evidence - we test to search for evidence'

witness excused

ella971
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
what?? did he really just ask her what other types of meaningless work she did???
I could not believe he said that.Wow.

ConstableCruller
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
"Your Honor, this is another expert witness who is..."

"Sustained."

Macushla
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
I do not see how this witness helped the defense theory at all!

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
Bye, Madelyn. I liked you. :)

laserdisc10
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
Far OUT !

Baez: ' And what other kind of meaningless work do you do ...

Witness: ' I don't feel any of my work is meaningless '

I don't believe it. Heard it but will have to get my ears checked because it cannot be happening !

dunlurken
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
I'm watching the trial on WFTV and following along on their blog. Someone asked if the jurors know who the alternates are and the moderator said "No". Now I'm wondering what that meant?

I'm under the impression there are 12 jurors and 6 alternates so a total of 18. Is this moderator saying that no one knows who the final 12 jurors are at this point?

I'm almost hoping this is the case because I worry about #4, as many of our WSers do. Hoping I am making myself clear. TIA
IMO, no one knows who are alternates (amongst the jurors) and who isn't an alternate. If they did, the alternates may not pay as much attention.

I could be wrong.

azscr4mbl3r
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
Meh...all JA has to do with respect to any hair evidence she gives is ask her how long chemicals can be detected in hair.

Done.

I am shocked as everyone that JB is yet again barking up the wrong tree. Coyote pun not intended. Reinforcing YET AGAIN ICA's culpability....

jamiect
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
#CaseyAnthony Multiple jurors taking note of both sides making points on this testimony.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:36 AM

barrysgirl
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
Oh dear God, it's CM

ohiogirl
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
He was trying to insinuate that JA thought it was meaningless. Fail.

logicalgirl
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
Witness excused. Now.....Mr. Baez.....do I get my shower nor not. Oh Oh, Mr. Mason at the podium...

Kentjbkent
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
JB "what other meaningless work do you do at the FBI?" ha ha....

Actually a very good question from JB.

Jose just pissed the jurors off yet again

scotslass
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
what?? did he really just ask her what other types of meaningless work she did???

To be fair that was in response to JA saying her neg test results were meaningless. Smack me now i'm starting to understand JB speak..

Amster
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
Oh dear....CM is up....

ami
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
Twitter: #
#CaseyAnthony Multiple jurors taking note of both sides making points on this testimony.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:36 AM


Can someone tell me what points "both sides" made? Eek, were we listening to diff testimony?

zoomom
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
OMFG!!!! "meaningless work?" Is he begging for a conviction???????????

cityslick
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
But he has already stated that Caylee died and that the body found was Caylee. If he loses this case, it's going to be because of that huge unexplained gap in his theory. Caylee drowned but Roy Kronk somehow "found her body somewhere" and put her there. If he had gone with Caylee drowned - Casey panicked and got rid of Caylee's body it could've instill some reasonable doubt. He's trying to distance Casey from the dumping ground without offering a credible explanation as to how Caylee got there. (If Roy Kronk find the body, where did he find it? Did Casey/George leave her outside with the garbage? Put her against the meter?)

No credible defense what so ever.

I don't disagree with you, which is why I don't think he thought things out when he did his opening statement. He wanted to put out a 'bombshell' moment but yet nothing to back it up with. The only thing is opening statements are not evidence, so the jury cannot 'consider' what if Caylee drowned if there is no evidence to support it. Their main task is if the prosecution has proved their case that ICA killed her child. Not if the defense has proved theirs.

I guess my point is the jury needs to decide if she died the way the prosecution says she did. If they don't think so (either haven't proved it or don't believe it), then she's not guilty, regardless of what the real truth may be (whether it be drowning, kidnapping, etc). JB screwed up because if you put an alternate theory out there but yet don't prove in any way that theory, then the jury only has the prosecutions version of events to consider.

coloradoteacher
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
OOh CM is up!

monique
06-22-2011, 09:36 AM
The witnesses are mimicking pop tarts today!

pinkfly
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
CM is up....I guess reports of his demise were premature.

QuietStorm
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
i don't know that I've seen a more distained defendant in a murder trial. Every day she looks like she's inconvenienced to be there and is waiting rather impatiently to have this huge waste of time behind her. She doesn't even try to humor the court. It's an interesting way to present yourself when you are facing the death penalty.

mitzi
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
Oh goody...Mason! Everybody get your marbles out, cuz CM is here to play! :)

noelle91176
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
William Rodriguez is in fact not ocming back. Finally found it. Earlier poster was asking about it. at about the one minute mark JA asks the Judge about statement to jury about WR not returning.

YouTube - &#x202a;Casey Anthony: Murder Trial - Part 6 - 6/21/11&#x202c;&rlm;

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
And now we have CM up to question he next witness.

Marina2
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
Did I hear right? Did JB just ask the witness, "What other type of meaningless work do you do at the FBI?" I'm thinking I heard that wrong?
I thought I heard wrong too until she answered. I think JB has gone into no-holds-barred mode. He knows he can't stoop any lower or get in any more trouble no matter what he says.

ETA: There's no telling what we'll hear come out of his mouth before this is over.

TotallyObsessed
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
I am going to call Dr. Drew and tell him that they have mentioned AGAIN that they tested her hair for Xanax. He keeps saying "I don't know why they did not test for this." It drives me nuts.

Every night, I watch with my daughter on the couch with me..she has JVM/NG/DrDrew's phone number in her phone because I say "GET THEM ON THE PHONE SO I CAN TALK" :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: We never get through.

Donjeta
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
JB arguing with the judge when he sustains

A pretty clever quip (even if bordering on rude) there about meaningless work in FBI but eventually that redirect amounted to zip again.

Does he intend to ask everybody if the reason they test stuff is to look for evidence?
I don't know... IMO it's underestimating the jurors to keep restating the obvious.

ami
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
Sr. Sigmund, a chemist.

Softail
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
Michael Sigman -

CM is doing the direct.

jmfstl
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
Michael Sigman, CM Dr Sigman how are you employed.. He has a PHD in chemistry.

matou
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
haha! A chemist!

ExpectingUnicorns
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
Meaningless, meaningless, meaningless. Jose certainly turned that word into a sword, didn't he? Too bad it was his own throat he cut.

RammerJammer
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
A chemist...with a PhD!

Mountain_Kat
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
Hi, Michael. Glad you don't have to be questioned by JB. Lucky you. :floorlaugh:

jamiect
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
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@bobkealing Jose has officially proved #CaseyAnthony didn't sedate Caylee with Xanax; a double edged sword when time for jury to deliberate.
3 minutes ago
Richard Hornsby
RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
Pretty sure Jose Baez will be asking this #CaseyAnthony defense witness if she knows whether Dr. Vass is a chemist or not.
5 minutes ago

laniefi
06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
a CHEMIST....YAWN

No offense to chemists, just so tired of this trial

Laynee
06-22-2011, 09:38 AM
another Chemist! Me thinks JB wanted to be a chemist when he grew up, but failed :( and now is obssessed with chemists!