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USARDOG
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
The previous owners - the ones who left the stain in the trunk.

Chloroform evaporates at an extremely rapid rate. Any vapor would have to be of recent origin. Would be similar to expecting "rubbing" alcohol spilled to be there years later.

JustMeDeb
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
How many "youtube popup ads" have you experienced? I've none. :banghead:

Why is it, CA gets a pop up with a skateboarder, all I get are pop ups for porn and/or some money scam? :)

CA, LIAR PLEASE!

Jaboom97
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
Okay; after today I am sticking with the theories I have had for 2.5 years. I firmly believe the whole family had known little Caylee was killed by Casey since the end of June, 2008.

MOO

Especially after the plumbing incident of July 1, 2008 was resolved by Rainaldi....hmmm wonder where missing teddy went?

Perhaps CA thought George did it...(took Teddy)

Original document: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202801-
2850%20f.pdf
“can’t sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don’t know who or what to believe anymore. You’ve told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven’t but you choose to call when you know I won’t be home. What the hell is going on? I’ve tried not to bug you to death but I still haven’t gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It’s been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they’re talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I’m not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I’m going freakin nuts not knowing what going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can’t take much more stre”

allycat1208
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
Yes she did. And I'm sure that was a big slip on CA's part. I thought immediately that it opened the door for the state. I wonder if they will go there, at risk for double jeopardy? Anyone?

This wasn't objected to? Didn't the judge tell the jury to disregard that testimony?

Boytwnmom
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
and I went back there at the beginning of the trial. But, seriously, listening to her today was like listening to Casey at universal. Nothing but lies and not even good ones. A disgrace to the memory of her granddaughter.




Well, that was the longest run of sympathy I had for CA, EVER. Its over now and I am picking myself up, dusting myself off and get back on the theory that the entire family is in on a cover up pf this poor childs death.

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
I don't see the point of this. Is it the wrong thing for him to ask for photos?

MessySanders
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
Are those for June and July 08 only?


Yes, sorry - I realized that after i posted. Still searching.

Soulmagent
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
[quote=Kentjbkent;6744714]

Bingo! The "A" is damning! Googles autocomplete would not have misspelled it. The incorrect spelling corroborated that it was hand typed by the user at that computer.

Sometimes it will ask you if you mean and give you two options one spelled incorrectly after you start typing ,more likey to happen if the misspelling is common.

3doglady
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
I don't think I am going to be able to watch the shows tonight and see the smugness of LKB.


It will be short lived. When the state starts their rebuttal she probably won't be on much.

cluciano63
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
I'm ditching all the computer searches, if I am a juror...I wouldn't be able to listen to another juror try to explain it. Just the fact that Cindy claims to have been researching the chlorofyll (sp) and the injuries someone she knew had sustained have confused the issue. Unless the state can prove conclusively she was at work, by computer data, anyway.

When I was on salary, we filled in 8 hours every day and signed, but kept track on paper for our "comp" time so we could use it during the week. No one could tell from my timesheets when I was really at work or not. Would have to have other back -up to know that.

OneLostGrl
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
The state will be working overtime tonight. Cindy's bombshell and the seeming inconsistencies between the two reports have just blown a big hole in the premeditation aspect of this.

Yaaay!! it's you!!!

The dude that was just on the state.. was he wrong about the 84 visits being to Myspace and not the sciwhatever site?

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
Forgive me for asking, but what is Sunpass? TIA
prepaid pass displayed on a windshield for turnpike, etc fees.

HOOKEDNAN
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
Sorry I am so late with this-not too speedy- but I thought that when Cindy was crying on the stand it was also about her guilt over being the one who called 911. Sort of a "What did I do!" moment.

nursebeeme
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
omg CM!!!!!! LOLOLOL

Eidetic
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
When was this taken? LOL!

Some time during these many weeks of trial. I was looking through pictures and thought that one was a keeper.

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
OT but why do I keep losing my thanks button?

hpvdr
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
Forgive me for asking, but what is Sunpass? TIA

Sticker on a person's car so that they can drive through the tolls without stopping to pay. Would know exactly when a car was at a toll booth.

2goldfish
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
The state will be working overtime tonight. Cindy's bombshell and the seeming inconsistencies between the two reports have just blown a big hole in the premeditation aspect of this.


respectfully, I just do not agree with this, state does not NEED chloroform in march and neither does the jury - towards premeditation -

1.

2.

3.

strips of tape is PLENTY of time to think to yourself "self, maybe there are better ways to deal with children."

nssherlock
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
yes, in her testimony - she was answering a question and said she recalled it was before (or after - I can't exactly recall what word she used right now) KC was arrested on her check fraud charges

it was an OMG moment prior to all the other OMG moments

Couldn't SA just put on someone who could testify the MEMORY FADES OVER TIME????????? I mean her statement that her memory is better is just ludicrous!

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
Ashton says Savage was not included on the email.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:00 PM

Savage says he asked for photos from Medical Examiners office (skull and duct tape) because wanted to see if exists. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:00 PM

Baez just passed Mason a note.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:00 PM

Mason asks what Savage did after meeting with prosecutors. He tried to find scale photos of duct tape. #CaseyAnthony.
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:00 PM

Judge Perry sustains the objection. Mason moves on. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 3:59 PM

Mason asks if Savage was in a meeting where where prosecutor talked about duct tape theory. Ashton objected saying it was work product.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 3:58 PM

Kentjbkent
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
Is this the guy who met with GA and CA?

And isn't this the guy that Casey took an immediate liking to....stating in jail visit that she WOULD be willing to talk to that Nick Savage guy???

BTW...what the heck is this about????

PGWodehouse
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
Forgive me for asking, but what is Sunpass? TIA

Prepaid toll system. :)

mitzi
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
Anyone notice how Cindy didn't seem a bit mournful today at all, but actually snotty & cocky when questioned by the state?

Yeah...we already witnessed her mourning period when she faked tears and collapse on the witness stand early in this trial.

2door73chevy
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
What is this about?

It is kinda disturbing.

He looks like Bush!

bobloblaw
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
When was this taken? LOL!

I bet that pic was when he was laughing about the witness' claim about coyotes burying bones!

momtective
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
HHJP sounding very jocular...I think he's getting a kick out of this.

x_files
06-23-2011, 05:02 PM
I am so sad right now. Imagine being a little girl in heaven and finding out that your grandma lies.

This quote on Casey's myspace takes on new meaning now: "Every lies..." Who taught her to lie?

Socprof
06-23-2011, 05:02 PM
Wonder how NG is going to spin Cindy's testimony on her entertainment show tonight. :waitasec:

I've been wondering that, too. :back:

duckingoff
06-23-2011, 05:02 PM
Hey CA, I call bull$!*t
No doubt you love your kid but you've just proved yourself as being just as touched in the head as she is. Yeah I'll take my timeout.

In cross I think CA should have been asked to read from her deposition that she signed. Then ask her to read the Webster definition of perjury. *profound* impression on the jury.

Working and can't follow the trial as closely as I'd like but received a text from a friend regarding this testimony ...couldn't resist expressing how I feel.

ami
06-23-2011, 05:02 PM
Chloroform evaporates at an extremely rapid rate. Any vapor would have to be of recent origin. Would be similar to expecting "rubbing" alcohol spilled to be there years later.

It was a joke based on Cindy's testimony today that the previous owners were responsible for the trunk stain.

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 05:02 PM
mysterious email left by the poltergeist.

RR0004
06-23-2011, 05:02 PM
So what are they trying to sneak in now?

grandmathatadopted2
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
It is a transponder for the toll roads that attaches to your car to pay the tolls with credit card. usually assigned to a specific car.

MelissaLee
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
LOL! NS has never seen this email prior to CM just showing it to him now. As he wasn't COPIED or in the TO line of the email, no big surprise. Except to the DT. HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!

wenwe4
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
Nickolas B. Savage - tell us your name sir...yes (he repeats)
during my time assigned to division work on kc - crimes against children coordinator...nat. center for analysis violent crime...in Feb 2009 attended meeting with numerous prosecution team...yes ...discuss possible whether duct tape covered nose and mouth of a child...object- work product...Mr. Mason HHBP - I guess it could be sustained under work product

what did you do if anything...meeting with prosecution - find photos for prosecution - coordinated with Karen Cowen - day in and day out contact withthe lab...specific request for pictures taken by OC ME photos with scales....locate photos taken by ME office here - possibly yes....remember requesting of Karen Lowe or Erin Martin for the photos that should have been taken - scale size of the duct tape...request made of the lab....reason asked for those - I asked didn't believe those photos had been taken up until that point....receive a responding email from Martin @ FBI - don't believe so...may I approach marked (doesn't look like Nickolas Savage - Erin Martin here - just seen email) recognize it yes...receive a copy of this yourself...first time I saw it when shown by members of your office - (object overrule)

this is a profer -
this is the first time I have seen this - this is not the one I looked @ earlier - first time I have seen that email....

CM - all the questions I need of this witness is profer your honor.

JA - address the ....know what counsel thinks is admissable ....maybe after counsel I will call him back.....agent may stand down

cloud9
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
LDB/JA would NEVER offer one now!

Exactly! :)

mombomb
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
SIDEBAR #11 (4:47-4:49)

Jury is excused.

LDB and JA - next 2 witnesses?

JA - Nick Savage and Officer Erin Martin. They have no first hand knowledge of anything. Suggest proffer.

HHJBP - Mr. Mason will you be conducting the direct?

CM - yes - doesn't want to give a prerun.

JA - the only thing Erin Martin does for the FBI is to take into evidence and send it somewhere else. He assumes the defense wants to know what she is told by someone else.

CM - it's an interesting process to tell them in advance what is coming. Nick Savage will testify as to certain things he did on behalf of the prosecution and Erin Martin will testify as to what she did in response.

JA - already had an issue with the Defense asking an analyst about a paternity test which was deemed irrelevant.

CM - if an FBI has memorialized in an email that they have been asked to create a murder weapon and responded that they would just tell them they didn't take the pictures.

JA - the tape isn't on trial. The integrity of whatever it is is not on trial.

HHJBP - I'd like to hear it. I can hear it now or at 8:30. We are going to start testimony at 9:00

CM calls FBI Agent Nick Savage:

He was the lead FBI agent at the time. He was the crimes against children coordinator and innocent image coordinator.

He attended a meeting where prosecutors were present.

Did you recall whether duct tape was discussed?

OBJECTION - discussion with prosecutors is work product - SUSTAINED

CM: I guess it could be.

What did you do as a result? Did you try to find photos? Yes. What did you do in order to find them? He would have coordinated with Karen Kowen?

Did you make a specific request for photos that may have been taken by the ME? Possibly, yes.

Did you request of Karen Lowe or Erin Martin? There was a request through the lab?

Why did you request them? He asked for them because he did not believe that the photos had been taken up until that point.

Did you receive a responding email from Erin Martin? He did not believe so.

JA said this witness was not indicated in the "To" line.

He was shown the email - Defendant's DL. He recognized the email. He first saw it when shown by the Defense. He then stated this was the first time he had seen this email. It was not the same email he was referring to earlier.

No more proffer questions by CM.

JA - admissibility issues - no questions for the witness.

Agent may stand down. 5:03

RR0004
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
How did CM get it so wrong?

TiaM
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
Does anyone know what time the presser from the Anthonys will be?

I hope there is an unruly mob surrounding them chanting "LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!" and drowning them out. :maddening:

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
Mason now asking Savage about an email. He says he didn't send it, has never seen it before. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:02 PM

Savage says this is the first time he has seen this email.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:02 PM

kellypr
06-23-2011, 05:03 PM
I just came in from a meeting - what's going on with the FBI guy and this email, etc.?

Socprof
06-23-2011, 05:04 PM
Hey CA, I call bull$!*t
No doubt you love your kid but you've just proved yourself as being just as touched in the head as she is. Yeah I'll take my timeout.

In cross I think CA should have been asked to read from her deposition that she signed. Then ask her to read the Webster definition of perjury. *profound* impression on the jury.

Working and can't follow the trial as closely as I'd like but received a text from a friend regarding this testimony ...couldn't resist expressing how I feel.


I wondered why the state did not tersely remind Cindy that she was under oath, or did I miss such an admonishment?

ExpectingUnicorns
06-23-2011, 05:04 PM
CM has me so confused. Oh, wait, maybe it's me and not really his fault?

twall
06-23-2011, 05:04 PM
There is no way neat nick GA would purchase a 2 yo car with a huge stain in the trunk. Stain removal techniques now a days are advanced, I don't believe the dealership would put it on the lot like that, they would remove the stain or replace the trunk liner.

Eidetic
06-23-2011, 05:04 PM
OT but why do I keep losing my thanks button?

Does it happen after you post? :twocents:

yeknomaras
06-23-2011, 05:04 PM
shooooooould we be worried here? wtf is all this?

USARDOG
06-23-2011, 05:04 PM
It was a joke based on Cindy's testimony today that the previous owners were responsible for the trunk stain.

Think CA's "testimony" caused a temporary loss of my sense of humor. :banghead:

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 05:04 PM
I got completely lost during that proffer. Totally failed to get the point. I don't even know if he's coming back tomorrow or not, or if the judge ruled on it...

Time to sign off i guess.

LongtimeMedic
06-23-2011, 05:04 PM
:banghead: Sorry, but the State looks like they are in an unrecoverable tailspin. She can get off because of them!!!:maddening:

adb263
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
Is their a press conference right now?

strach304
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
And isn't this the guy that Casey took an immediate liking to....stating in jail visit that she WOULD be willing to talk to that Nick Savage guy???

BTW...what the heck is this about????

No that was Apling Wells (sp) called him Appy. He works for Orlando LE.

Z-sleuth
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
Mason shows Nick Savage an email he's never seen. Abruptly ends his proffer. LOL

suzihawk
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
CM just rubs me the wrong way. Everything about him. Bleh!

RR0004
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
I wondered why the state did not tersely remind Cindy that she was under oath, or did I miss such an admonishment?
Just you wait...don't want to impeach their own witness...not yet.

Socprof
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
Up next...
Erin Martin. Request coordinator with FBI laboratory.

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
I wonder if protesters will show up at the Anthony home tonight?

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
I'm ditching all the computer searches, if I am a juror...I wouldn't be able to listen to another juror try to explain it. Just the fact that Cindy claims to have been researching the chlorofyll (sp) and the injuries someone she knew had sustained have confused the issue. Unless the state can prove conclusively she was at work, by computer data, anyway.

When I was on salary, we filled in 8 hours every day and signed, but kept track on paper for our "comp" time so we could use it during the week. No one could tell from my timesheets when I was really at work or not. Would have to have other back -up to know that.

I don't think I could ditch ALL search since CA conclusively stated she didn't search for HOW TO MAKE CHLORAFORM or household weapons, etc.

Plus I didn't see the searches for Chlorophyll on those dates in those reports

MOO

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
Erin Martin is called to the stand. She works for FBI. Again no jury #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:05 PM

ahoyhoy
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
[quote=Kentjbkent;6744714]

Bingo! The "A" is damning! Googles autocomplete would not have misspelled it. The incorrect spelling corroborated that it was hand typed by the user at that computer.

Who is more likely to misspell chloroform----a longtime RN, or a high-school dropout?

JMO

chicklet
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
Something that needs to be considered in regards to these "84 or 86 visits" to web sites...many websites have auto-refresh where they refresh on their own every few seconds. Each refreshed page would should up as a new visit.

mrsc72
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
All that keeps popping in my mind today regarding the DT is the movie The Farce of the Penguins, lol!

Momma Hen
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
CM being rather gruff with witness from very beginning. I'm thinking this is a hoax the DT fell for and the SA is nipping in bud.

Tulessa
06-23-2011, 05:05 PM
And isn't this the guy that Casey took an immediate liking to....stating in jail visit that she WOULD be willing to talk to that Nick Savage guy???

BTW...what the heck is this about????

IIRC that was Appy Wells.

MelissaLee
06-23-2011, 05:06 PM
CM using a very loud, abrupt tone with this witness. I'm assuming the bluster is to cover the massive FAIL of his previous "questioning".

Openmyeyes
06-23-2011, 05:06 PM
CM doing his finest Denny Crane again. It annoys me when he flirts. Sorry.

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 05:06 PM
Erin- reading email it regards measurements of tape

4realtho
06-23-2011, 05:06 PM
Okay; after today I am sticking with the theories I have had for 2.5 years. I firmly believe the whole family had known little Caylee was killed by Casey since the end of June, 2008.

MOO

And you would be so right. CA's great performance when she broke down on the stand was for the benefit of the jury. Today is a sad day because the jury doesn't know everything that we know. The fact that so many people fell for CA performance, I believe the jury will also have great sympathy for her. So today the jury just may believe that CA made those searches if the SA can't get the evidence to prove that she was not home. CA is very manipulative, that's where ICA gets that trait from. GA is a liar, that's where ICA gets that trait from...These people are beyond (enter your own word here).:banghead:

Kentjbkent
06-23-2011, 05:06 PM
How did CM get it so wrong?

Can you explain your comment....and exactly what is going on and why?

I AM SO CONFUSED

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:06 PM
Erin Martin is now testifying, questioned by Mason. She works for FBI.
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:05 PM

Hope for the Best
06-23-2011, 05:06 PM
I joined here early on in the case, but I never post,just lurk. Just wondering, did Cindy use sunpass on her car? If so, it would confirm her work hours, right? I remember some discussion about George's sunpass, but do not remember anything about Cindy.

I live in Orlando, so I'll give you my opinion on this. IIRC, I think she does have sunpass, but in all honesty, to get from their house to where she worked, it really wouldn't have made sense to take the toll roads. Granted, she could've, but it would've been a longer route (and I'm not sure would've saved much time). Even still, it wouldn't hurt to check those records. Nothing the A's do ever makes sense.

TiaM
06-23-2011, 05:06 PM
http://i54.tinypic.com/30agxao.jpg

Hahaha

Check out blurry Baez in the backround. "Waaa! The State is getting a close up and I'm not. Waaaa, they better not be laughing at meeeeeee"

I just think LDB is so pretty.

Jaboom97
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
There is no way neat nick GA would purchase a 2 yo car with a huge stain in the trunk. Stain removal techniques now a days are advanced, I don't believe the dealership would put it on the lot like that, they would remove the stain or replace the trunk liner.

Exactly also taking in consideration his families long history in the used car business. To me this would be a big turn off when purchasing a 2 year old car.

kantoo
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
CM using a very loud, abrupt tone with this witness. I'm assuming the bluster is to cover the massive FAIL of his previous "questioning".

...and it's a woman. sorry, jmo

ami
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
Think CA's "testimony" caused a temporary loss of my sense of humor. :banghead:

It's so distressing, I have never known any family this filled with lies! it's mind boggling.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
Martin reading email. In is, she said Medical Examiner's office didn't take scaled photos of Caylee's skull. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:07 PM

LPOU= latent print operations unit
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:07 PM

Martin is reading an email between Karen Lowe. She didn't send pictures to Savage because it was just case notes. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:07 PM

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
more vocabulary words, pop quiz soon.

Emeralgem
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
Damn is the state on trial here?

Harmony2
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
I wrote about this E-mail in one of my posts... I will look for it later and try to post the E-mail and link...

QuietStorm
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
Hopelessly lost in Seattle.

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
The tape is still the same size as it was then? Why do they need scaled photos?

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
Martin says (in email) she didn't know why Medical Examiner's office didn't tape pictures of skull and duct tape to scale... #CaseyAnthony
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:07 PM

Sustained
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
CM is extremely abrasive

wenwe4
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
Erin Martin - CM employed coordinator w/FBI - recollection 2/6/09 sending email from Karen Lowe - not to my recollection - DM exhibit....recall that? yes...read it for the court...Hey Karen - I decided not to give the measurements to Nick that Brian emailed us that ....did not want to overstep my bounds.....I just tell NICk - no photos available....don't understand why the ME office didn't take @ the time.....Nick is Nick Savage - Latent Print Operations Unit- Trace Evidence unit.....involvement in that process in the email...in this part of the case? no....not withthe tape....
JA - don't ...argument is...

witness steps down

not quite sure what is happening.

strach304
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
All damnit! They didn't take photos of the tape on the skull at the ME's office.

2door73chevy
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
I like CM...*running from board*

JustMeDeb
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
Just seen on their way to Florida :)

http://i52.tinypic.com/j8ekb9.jpg

LongtimeMedic
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
Damn is the state on trial here?

They are now.

The Eunice Burns
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
And isn't this the guy that Casey took an immediate liking to....stating in jail visit that she WOULD be willing to talk to that Nick Savage guy???

BTW...what the heck is this about????

I thought it was Appie Wells she was willing to talk to. Supposedly. I think she was just agreeing to that but never intended to follow thru, of course. *Yeah, yeah. I'll talk to him*.

Kentjbkent
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
"And what does P E U mean?" - Cheney Mason


Do you REALLY want me to tell you Cheney......let's say it together...

PEE EEEEEE, You!!!!

MelissaLee
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
...and it's a woman. Sorry, jmo

ita! :)

Nana46
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
The inmate got all happy and smiling there.

RR0004
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
Can you explain your comment....and exactly what is going on and why?

I AM SO CONFUSED
He called NS to ask him about an email he never received...that was after asking questions that are protected by work product.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
Ashton objects on relevance and hearsay.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:08 PM

#CaseyAnthony Working on stories for @WESH 2 news. Analysis from our legal experts in this half hour. Effects of Cindy's testimony.
by bobkealing via twitter at 4:08 PM

jmfstl
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
Defense is doing anything and everything to try and discredit the fbi

yeknomaras
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
oh ok. so this is a bunch of nothing. thanks CM

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
"And what does P E U mean?" - Cheney Mason


Do you REALLY want me to tell you Cheney......let's say it together...

PEE EEEEEE, You!!!!

TEU= trace evidence unit
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:07 PM

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
CM says material fact is that tape is claimed murder weapon by state and NS testimony proves it - get photos with scales to prove it

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
They haven't asked for a mistrial yet.
today that is.

Studio_Medic
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
:banghead: Sorry, but the State looks like they are in an unrecoverable tailspin. She can get off because of them!!!:maddening:

I am pulling my main chute and throwing my reserve!

kinsey milhoune
06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
I don't know, but I am not watching it.......too sickening.

Why are the Anthony's having a presser? Is that allowed when they are subject to recall as witnesses???

kahluacream
06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
In CAs depo she said:

"I may have looked up the ingredients of Chloroform. I may have looked up the ingredients but not how to make it."

If CA can remember seeing an insignificant pop-up I would think she would remember saying that.


Even though I'm a central Florida resident, I'm woefully less informed than most of you folks so if I'm missing something, please straighten me out: I'm wondering why the prosecution even included those chloroform searches in the evidence when they had Cindy claiming to have looked the word up way back in her deposition.

I would think that the odds against two people in the same family independently doing a search on a word like "chloroform" during a short time frame are pretty high so either Casey didn't do the search at all or Cindy lied about it as long as three years ago.

Surely, they're aware of her well-known propensity to "help" her daughter .... I think JA and LDB are the bee's knees but they should have anticipated that this COULD happen, shouldn't they?

Tulessa
06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
I like CM...*running from board*

Throws a rock. :floorlaugh:

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
2 FBI witnesses #caseyanthony are outside of jury and relate to photos of duct tape & why scale photos weren't taken. Murder weapon issue?
by abcashleigh via twitter at 4:09 PM

RR473
06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
Had a weird crush on Molly years ago.. Well decades ago. haha.

I have a crush on madam bookkeeper and linda besides a few in the audience.

mitzi
06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
Just seen on their way to Florida :)

http://i52.tinypic.com/j8ekb9.jpg

Gawd, I hope so...I'm starting to wonder now.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:11 PM
Mason says Ashton is trying to create a theory w/ duct tape- murder weapon. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:10 PM

Mason is now trying to explain why Savage should be allowed to testify. Ashton has said his testimony isn't relevant #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:10 PM

Chilly Willy
06-23-2011, 05:11 PM
It sounds to me like Cindy did do her chloraphyll search which led to chloroform but not on the same day that Casey did the myspace and how to make chloroform search. They need to check the computer usage for March for chloraphyll and determine what date Cindy did that. She obviously has her date wrong.

Cubby
06-23-2011, 05:11 PM
I like CM...*running from board*



You're not alone. CM doesn't bother me in the least.

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 05:11 PM
JA says that DT is saying that prosecution is doing something wrong and attack on counsel is prohibited

egs
06-23-2011, 05:11 PM
I also don't understand why the Anthonys are holding a presser

gibby207
06-23-2011, 05:11 PM
Judge hearts Ashton and is holding back laughter. lol

zoey
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
Couldn't SA just put on someone who could testify the MEMORY FADES OVER TIME????????? I mean her statement that her memory is better is just ludicrous!

Ca on "special "medication.......:maddening:

LadyL
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
OT but why do I keep losing my thanks button?

it disappears if you've just posted ... you have to refresh the page to see it come back HTH

lib's mom
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
I thought it was Appie Wells she was willing to talk to. Supposedly. I think she was just agreeing to that but never intended to follow thru, of course. *Yeah, yeah. I'll talk to him*.

That's what I recall as well. I also remember GA singing NS's praises to ICA during a jail visit and encouraging her to talk to him.

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
I think this goes to the ME and FBI both not taking measurements of the duct tape. CM is saying that the FBI is saying they would doctor evidence and say they do not have the picture when they do, which is actually untrue. This is why they had to do the computer simulation.

Polifax
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
I've been out all day so I'm reading here and trying to catch up. Wow! What a day it's been.

CA testimony has me disheartened but I guess given the family it was to be expected. IIRC, hasn't CA always bailed out, or covered up for, ICA? This seems to be just more of the same. Sadly though, this time it's for the death of poor sweet Caylee.

:twocents:

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
Ashton says the defense is now attacking prosecution. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:11 PM

Ashton argues it should be entirely excluded.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:11 PM

We are doing a proffer -it's like court without a jury- to make sure questioning is in line and appropriate for jury. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:11 PM

Ashton believes this is an attack on counsel, which he says is not allowed.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:11 PM

GiantPickle
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
how would they get these emails?

Amity
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
Something that needs to be considered in regards to these "84 or 86 visits" to web sites...many websites have auto-refresh where they refresh on their own every few seconds. Each refreshed page would should up as a new visit.


Not regular Yahoo, but "MyYahoo" is my home page.
I've set it up with my city weather, weather for areas we visit frequently and local/state news.
Other stuff is there too.....things that interest me on a daily basis.

One thing MyYahoo does is Refresh all on it's own about every 15-30 minutes.

I can be looking at Breaking News and the page will refresh with Updates/More Information on that breaking news.

MyYahoo is the First Tab on my Firefox and it stays there from the time I turn on my computer in the morning until I shut it down at night.
It probably tallys up hundreds of 'visits' when all it's doing is refreshing all day.

Not that I am agreeing or disagreeing with all the 84 or 86 visits. I just wanted to get in more detail about the Self-Refreshing that some pages do while they are open.

aprilraindance
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
Sorry I am so late with this-not too speedy- but I thought that when Cindy was crying on the stand it was also about her guilt over being the one who called 911. Sort of a "What did I do!" moment.

You have a valid point. Very well could be that or just ALL of it mixed together.
I could not ,nor do I wish to, understand what it is like to walk in CA shoes.
I have though about CA allot through the last 3 years and I hypothesize this.
CA feels GUILT for little Caylees death. She feels like that fight she had with KC pushed KC to do what she did. Therefore she carries blame in her heart.
She also never EVER wanted to believe her own daughter could kill sweet Caylee! She admitted STILL searching for Zanny up to 6 weeks before the start of the trial! She was in DENIAL(though I cant understand how) for all this time!
She does NOT want her daughter to die. In some way she feels it is her fault that KC is on trial for her life.
In my heart it does not excuse her for taking the stand and being dishonest...
No matter what CA did or said during that argument it is NOT her doing that Caylee is dead. It KC's doing and her doing alone.
I am SO VERY sad that Cayless CC is not standing up for her! Heart breaking!

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
So what? That's my response to this proffer.

The Farm
06-23-2011, 05:13 PM
I also don't understand why the Anthonys are holding a presser

They are holding a presser??? Maybe they are asking for police protection?:maddening:

Socprof
06-23-2011, 05:13 PM
It sounds to me like Cindy did do her chloraphyll search which led to chloroform but not on the same day that Casey did the myspace and how to make chloroform search. They need to check the computer usage for March for chloraphyll and determine what date Cindy did that. She obviously has her date wrong.

My guess is CA did that search right after the computer witnesses' testimony--two weeks ago. It seems too fresh to be a three year old memory of a seemingly mundane computer search from three years ago.

allycat1208
06-23-2011, 05:13 PM
:banghead: Sorry, but the State looks like they are in an unrecoverable tailspin. She can get off because of them!!!:maddening:

I think the State can still recover, but today may put a damper as to this being a premeditated murder. Maybe today will be the difference between manslaughter and murder.

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 05:13 PM
CM says that they are to create something that doesn't exist

ami
06-23-2011, 05:13 PM
The result of these emails is that the animation of the tape was produced. And already admitted. So I'm not sure why it's such a big deal.

hannahsnana
06-23-2011, 05:13 PM
Ca on "special "medication.......:maddening:

Who isn't???

nssherlock
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
This argument that CM is making is just plain nonsense!!!!!!!!!! Period!!!!!!!!!!!
HHJP will fix this

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
But Mason says he (Ashton) is trying to create something instead of presenting evidence. #caseyanthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:13 PM

There were emails sent out about width and exact measurements of duct tape- mason says he's not attacking Ashton. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:13 PM

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
the judge is so patient, he already has the answer and waits until the lawboys are done...

Indianagirl
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
Sticker on a person's car so that they can drive through the tolls without stopping to pay. Would know exactly when a car was at a toll booth.

Thanks for the explanation! Although I'm sure CA probably lent her car to GA or LA that day, so if her car was recorded as going through that toll booth it wasn't her :rolleyes:

I'm sure GA or LA would substantiate that claim :croc:

yeknomaras
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
WOOT thanks HHJP!

Poodleluver
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
How did CM get it so wrong?

God, you guys are all geniuses, cause I have NO idea what this is all about! What happened? I've been watching & listening but still have no idea!!

Etiana
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
I can't stand JB but if Mason spoke as much as JB I'd detest him just as much.

SATA
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
Whenever Jose Baezzz gets cocky, just imagine him without clothes. That should help!
I hope I don´t get banned for this - I couldn´t help myself. It´s been a long and tough day. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
HHJP - NS testimony does not go to impeachment or case in chief

USARDOG
06-23-2011, 05:14 PM
Im so glad this judge has this case!

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
Too tired for this.

Mason: the state's trying to create a murder weapon where there is none.

Garavaglia: there is no reason for any child to have duct tape on her face.

'Nuff said.

Murphismo
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
I really hate to say this but If I was near that court house I'd be making a big mean sign to wave at CA in the morning

jon_burrows
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
Even though I'm a central Florida resident, I'm woefully less informed than most of you folks so if I'm missing something, please straighten me out: I'm wondering why the prosecution even included those chloroform searches in the evidence when they had Cindy claiming to have looked the word up way back in her deposition.

I would think that the odds against two people in the same family independently doing a search on a word like "chloroform" during a short time frame are pretty high so either Casey didn't do the search at all or Cindy lied about it as long as three years ago.

Surely, they're aware of her well-known propensity to "help" her daughter .... I think JA and LDB are the bee's knees but they should have anticipated that this COULD happen, shouldn't they?

The SAs may have thought CA's timesheet was enough to prove she was at work, leaving ICA the only one to do the searches. I'm not sure they could have predicted this latest lie from CA. I still think the SAs will be able to impeach CA and show she was at work through computer records or cell phone pings.

IMO

wvjules
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
CM says that they are to create something that doesn't exist

Well, he's kinda right. They don't have the proper measurements to know if they would have covered her nose and mouth. That was a huge oops by the FBI, IMO.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
Perry says that Savage's testimony is not relevant. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:14 PM

Perry runs down charges against #CaseyAnthony he says Savage's testimony isn't relevant. -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:14 PM

Chemaster
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
Fool me once and shame on you .... fool me twice than shame on me.

1. Reasonable doubt
2. Book and TV deals
3. Fame and fortune

:)

Kentjbkent
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
It sounds to me like Cindy did do her chloraphyll search which led to chloroform but not on the same day that Casey did the myspace and how to make chloroform search. They need to check the computer usage for March for chloraphyll and determine what date Cindy did that. She obviously has her date wrong.

Well then let me ask you this.

If Cindy was doing a search for chlorophyll and had only typed in the first C-H-L-O-R which led to automatic CHLOROFORM.....

Then why did search record display that person who searched spelled CHLOROFORM wrong? They spelled it chlorAform.....???

anb
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
To the folks asking, I believe the Anthony press conference will be to "clarify" the statement made from their attorney last night. Moo

ami
06-23-2011, 05:15 PM
I'm so glad JA brought this up this afternoon.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
Perry says if there was any "fabrication" going on and there's evidence -it should be subject in a motion to dismiss. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:15 PM

kellypr
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
Whew...so far.

alwaysonmymind
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
JP sez hogwash!

Ok, i said it.

Socprof
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
Who isn't???

Me? But that might change after today's testimony...gah!
:eek:

RR0004
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
It sounds to me like Cindy did do her chloraphyll search which led to chloroform but not on the same day that Casey did the myspace and how to make chloroform search. They need to check the computer usage for March for chloraphyll and determine what date Cindy did that. She obviously has her date wrong.
But CW...she said she looked for chloroform specifically...and IIRC that wasn't in her depo...she's got a lot wrong...and we will never know the "why" behind that...unless she cares to explain.

Blue Ridge
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
how would they get these emails?

Doc dump (Sunshine Law?)

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
Perry will not allow Savage to testify to the matter.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:16 PM

So- jury will not hear from Nick Savage. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:16 PM

Testimony of Savage has "no bearing" on the issues of the case. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:15 PM

wicket
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
Is the Prosecution Team investigating that IKA could have been experimenting on the dogs regarding chlorophyll? After reading a few comments from others about the chlorophyll and the dogs - there's a good possibility that IKA could/would go to this length - especially since they were
CA's dogs. I never put 2 + 2 together - I can tell who the true Websleuths are.......not me, that's for sure.
I'm still so depressed regarding CA's so-called torpedoing the PT - please let me not begin smoking after 2 years. :banghead:

Kentjbkent
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
They are holding a presser??? Maybe they are asking for police protection?:maddening:

And didn't I see an advertisement earlier this morning that this evening Cindy will be guest on HLN talk show

repairmom
06-23-2011, 05:16 PM
I wonder if protesters will show up at the Anthony home tonight?

I HOPE so. Wish I lived there.

Sorry. I stopped watching shortly after CA's testimony and just now came back, and I'm still mad as a hornet.

:maddening:

USARDOG
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
Well then let me ask you this.

If Cindy was doing a search for chlorophyll and had only typed in the first C-H-L-O-R which led to automatic CHLOROFORM.....

Then why did search record display that person who searched spelled CHLOROFORM wrong? They spelled it chlorAform.....???

I don't believe at the time of these searches that there were any "automatic" searches.

Cubby
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
Whenever Jose Baezzz gets cocky, just imagine him without clothes. That should help!
I hope I don´t get banned for this - I couldn´t help myself. It´s been a long and tough t´day. :banghead::banghead::banghead:



imagine him without clothes? :puke:

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
That last quote was from Perry. They're now discussing the other new FBI witness.
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:16 PM

Savage's testimony deemed not relevant
by Jessica Steck/WESH.com at 4:16 PM

KathrynL
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
Thank you Judge Perry. Me thinks the defense is desperate. Apparently, so is CA. Mods, please delete if I toed over the line.

SallyC
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
Know what? I believe JB was correct in his OS when he talked about the dysfunctional, secret-keeping and lying A family. I say let ICA walk and save the taxpayers some money. The A family can live happily ever after lying, molesting and abusing.

Why didn't she plead guilty and save the taxpayers money? So we can live happy without a killer walking our streets.:twocents:

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
DT having temper tantrum..........

sorrell skye
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
What I find interesting is (during the Defense's presentation)when a witness has contradicted their previous testimony, neither side has sought to impeach that witness's testimony, because both sides have sought the support of that witness's testimony.

For instance: CA's testimony today, and the computer IT expert today.

These witnesses are caught in a tug of war between the SA and the DT.

I have no doubt that the jury is aware of this.

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
Even after a long day HHJBP is tack sharp and dead on. CM is trying to put the prosecutors on trial and also the ME by pointing out a picture not taken. He cannot prove any nefarious plot behind that.

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
It just occurred to me that CA search for chlorophyll did not show up because these were recovery of the firefox browser and that is not the browser that CA used - it was explorer.... her results would be located in that recovery

MOO

ami
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
The person who did the animation said he did not NEED a scale. He used the skull measurements from the picture of ICA and Caylee.

concentric
06-23-2011, 05:18 PM
CM using a very loud, abrupt tone with this witness. I'm assuming the bluster is to cover the massive FAIL of his previous "questioning".

Foghorn Leghorn?

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:18 PM
Now onto Martin... Mason points back to that superimposition of that video - Caylee pic turns into skull after duct tape over nose/mouth
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:17 PM

Capri
06-23-2011, 05:18 PM
wftv just went to commercials...anyone got a live feed???

aprilraindance
06-23-2011, 05:18 PM
They are holding a presser??? Maybe they are asking for police protection?:maddening:

They are going to say they want justice for Caylee but they support their daughter they love their daughter ...

kantoo
06-23-2011, 05:18 PM
I'm glad they worked late and got this out of the way

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 05:18 PM
HHJP - Erin Martin testimony doesn't go to material fact doesn't meet test under 90.41

deelytful1
06-23-2011, 05:18 PM
Both testimonies not relevant based on proffer. Haha

TortillaChip
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
If the SA wins this one, I think it's big. They want them to testify....

Anadarko
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
So these 2 witnesses were being called for basically no reason?

tink92
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Does anyone get the idea that JA is not only defending Caylee but he is also a Teacher here for CM and<modsnip>

Yes!....I mean was CM EVER a good lawyer:loser:...because I think he is awful <modsnip>...its embarrasing compared to the amazing JA and LDB.

bunchy
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Why are the Anthony's having a presser? Is that allowed when they are subject to recall as witnesses???

Good fodder for the book.

Eileen730
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
GOOD LORD WOMAN. You are right. I think the whole family used Sunpass.

LOL i have sunpass and i can drive for days and never ever use it...

Soulmagent
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
If they didnt know they had photos of the skull to tape scale then the video should not have been allowed based on discovery violations.

My opinion from following this case.

JA just said it himself "they knew we didnt have those scales for the last three years .

They manufactured that evidence.

This will be back in court. Hopefully in the winter time next time.

All this is my opinion I am not a lawyer or a ME or a chemist.

nssherlock
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
This argument that CM is making is just plain nonsense!!!!!!!!!! Period!!!!!!!!!!!
HHJP will fix this

LOL Quoting myself.............I rest my case.

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
JB smug smirk is worse than ever

ami
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Oh my rear end kissing goodness. "Just... have a nice evening.." (JB to HHJP)

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Perry says Martin's testimony isn't relevant. So jury will also not hear from her. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:19 PM

So looks like those two witnesses were flown here...for no reason.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:18 PM

He says the witness cannot testify.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:18 PM

Socprof
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Court moves to recess, right after JB instructs the judge to "have a nice day, sir". Gag.

1tasha
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Whenever Jose Baezzz gets cocky, just imagine him without clothes. That should help!
I hope I don´t get banned for this - I couldn´t help myself. It´s been a long and tough day. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

Why do you hate us Sata?

anb
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Baez to HHJB,"Just have a nice evening, Sir.":sick:

mimmy03
06-23-2011, 05:19 PM
JB telling the judge to "just have a nice evening sir" made me throw up in my mouth a little bit just now.

ExpectingUnicorns
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
"Just have a nice evening, sir."

"I'm going to try to."

LOL

deelytful1
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
Full day Saturday HHJP informs

The Eunice Burns
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
Parting snide shot from JB....*Just have a nice evening*.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
"Mr Mason, you look a little bewildered."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 4:19 PM

Baez tells Judge Perry to have a nice evening. "I'm gonna try to," he says.
by Jessica Steck/WESH.com at 4:19 PM

Martin's testimony is also out. Court is in recess. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:19 PM

suzihawk
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
JB: "Just have a nice evening, sir"

He's morphed in Eddie Haskell.

mombomb
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
5:04

PROFFER OF ERIN MARTIN BY CM:

Request coordinator with FBI. Do you recall a 02/06/09 email you sent to Karen Lowe? No. She was shown Defense Exhibit DM. She then recalled it.

She read: Hey Karen, I decided not to give the measurements to Nick that Brian emailed us since it is part of your ae notes and it doesn't appear that the jpegs were saved. I'll just tell Nick that there were no photos. (Something about ETU and LPU) I don't understand why the ME didn't take scaled photos of the tape when it was on the skull.

She had no other involvement in this part of the case involving the tape.

Witness excused.

JA - relevance and hearsay.

HHJBP - Mr. Savage first - relevancy. Materiality?

CM: The material fact is whether there is or is not a murder weapon. JA has tried to create the existence of one by saying the tape could be one. He asked Nick Savage to find it and specifically one with scales on it. The response was - we'll just say we don't have the pictures. Hiding behind work product and should have been given to Defense as Brady material. This is evidence that they are trying to create this.

JA: The relevance is that the prosecution is trying to do something wrong. Attacks upon counsel are prohibited. If CM read the email more clearly, they are trying to produce what is available to prove a material fact.

CM: The prosecutor wants to know if it is possible for the tape to cover the mouth and nose area so as to do a computerized recreation. It's not attacking a prosecutor, but attacking the whole system. Someone is trying to create something is not there.

HHJBP: 90.401 - relevant evidence. Defendant is charged with a 7 count indictment. The court after hearing the testimony of Mr. Savage, finds that this does not go to any material facts of the indictment or impeachment. Assuming this is evidence of an attempt to fabricate evidence, that would be the subject of a motion to dismiss based on prosecutorial misconduct and there is no evidence of that. This evidence does not go to any material issue in fact, purely collateral issue that have no bearing on credibility or believability of any witness. SUSTAINED as to this witness on this matter.

HHJBP: Now to Ms. Martin.

JA: Same argument - everything she had was told to her by someone else.

CM: Remember motion for mistrial regarding the photo images of the tape and skull - this is the same issue. They did not have it. They didn't have ME photos and that is what has just been established.

JA: He did not believe it is not a surprise that there were no photos of all three pieces of tape together to scale.

HHJBP: Court will stand behind it's previous ruling. Any more argument about the last witness that was proffered?

HHJBP: Again, evidence doesn't meet the test of relevance.

Anything else for the balance of the day?

Court in recess. (5:19)

Tomorrow you need to tell me and be prepared to go to 2:30 or 3:00 on Saturday. Dr. Mason - you look a little bewildered. (CM said something about feeding the jury).

kellypr
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
my heart was beating there...

wenwe4
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
JA - relevancy and hearsay...
HHBP...take up Mr. Savage - deal with material facts
CM - whether or not there is a weapon....get photos to prove his theory ...ask Nick Savage to find it...with scales on it...show measurements related to skull...response back - we will just say we don't have the pictures....to me that is pretty outlandish - not simply hiding behind work product and potential brady material...try to create something to catch the evidence

JA - allegation that prosecution has done something wrong...even if that were true...still not admissable...acts upon counsel prohibited....if counsel would read....appreciate the compoliment trying to pursue evidence available...any good attorney would explore a viable option...be that as it may ...not relavant to a material fact.....prosecutor would like to know if any of you took pics of the skull and tape...they want to know if possible to see if tape covered nose and mouth....ME didn't take pics as they thought it would be done with us...

Karen speak to you when you are back...FBI - I decided not to give the measurements...blah blah....

Not attacking prosecutor....attack whole process.....I didn't understand why ME didn't take photos of the tape while on the skull

relevant evidence defined by FL ....Kc is charged in 7 count indictment - false info to LE X4, aggrvated child abuse, .....Mr. Savage ....does not go to impeachment or relevant material issues.....assume for moment this evidence of contempt to fabricate evidence that would be subject of a motion to dismiss based upon prosecutorial misconduct which has NO evidence of ....stretch your imagination to that....not evidence to dismiss....any material issues - purely collateral issues - no bearing on credible or believeability about any witness....Objection sustained on that issue.


Next arguement on Ms. Martin - JA something she was told by someone else....wait to see what that is unless it is the same arguement we just heard and then object is still same...

CM - image profer by prosecution tape over a child skull....they didn't have it and the ME didn't photo to scale....didn't have their own...surprise to anyone in this courtroom...didn't have picture to scale....

deal with next witness - last witness testimony profer - DT?

testimony is not relevant - nor does it go to material fact based upon what was profer- doesn't meet 9401 based uon relevant evidence..

anything else for balance for the day....

JB - have a nice evening sir...

HHBP going to try to....one last thing tomorrow to tell me - be prepared to go 2:30 or 3 on Sat. break @ noon for short lunch...Mason you look a little bewildered....

logistical problems - they will tell I am quite sure - if not I will assume no problems - in recess

zoey
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
Who isn't???

UMmmmm me. But would love some..... Lol

Openmyeyes
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
CM just used the word Mistrial, and refered to his arguement when he asked for a mistrial. A day doesn't go by.

Now HHJP just said they are going until 2:30 or 3:00 on Saturday.

2door73chevy
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
Yes!....I mean was CM EVER a good lawyer:loser:...because I think he is awful blumbering idiot...its embarrasing compared to the amazing JA and LDB.

Look at the client he's working with...Give him a break.

kantoo
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
CM complaining that there is a "logistical problem" with feeding the jury on Saturday?

O cmon, weak, weak, weak

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
Little bit of politeness or ingratiation there

JP Anything else? Baez, Sims?

JB Just have a nice evening

LyndyLoo
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
:floorlaugh:CM is bewildered..and it looks good on him..He really thought he could pull one over on this judge:floorlaugh:

Etiana
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
I wish I could express in words how grateful I am for HJBP.

Slimey JB saying they just wanted to wish the judge a nice evening. blech.

The Farm
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
You know I really fell for Cindy on that stand. I truely believed that the whole family had come to their senses and seen the light. Today she really blew me right out of the water.
I need a hot shower, been rainy and damp here all day.
Maybe some hot water blasting on my face will help.

Harmony2
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
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ExpectingUnicorns
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
Casey gave CM a cute, encouraging little double pat as she passed him leaving the room. So sweet!

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
People can't eat on Staurdays?

USARDOG
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
CM aleging that there are logistic problems with bringing the jury in for a full day Sat. HH just chuckles...

Boytwnmom
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
he smells out their improper tactics pretty darn well




I'm so glad JA brought this up this afternoon.

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
The jury would get fed anyway, on weekends, would they? They don't starve juries when there's no court?

Scamperoo
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
It was a joke based on Cindy's testimony today that the previous owners were responsible for the trunk stain.



GA: Please don't let this be my Caylee. That's what I thought. That's what I, my heart was saying. I opened it up and that's when I seen that bag. I did see a stain. I think it's right about where the spare tire was at. Basketball size, or something around there. I don't know if it's exactly circular.
LE: Was it there though? Was it where the bag was, or was it next to the bags?
GA: I don't know. But the bag was on the, you know where the tail light is on the left hand side?
LE: (affirmative)
GA: The bag was centered more towards that area.
LE: So the bag wasn't on the stain? The stain was a different spot?

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
what a day

Curious Me
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
ICA was livid. She almost got in trouble not being able to control her shaking her head no. She wanted to nail NSavage. MOO

Momma Hen
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
If they didnt know they had photos of the skull to tape scale then the video should not have been allowed based on discovery violations.

My opinion from following this case.

JA just said it himself "they knew we didnt have those scales for the last three years .

They manufatured that evidence.

This will be back in court. Hopefully in the winter time next time.

I interpret this differently. He admitted they did not have scale measurements from the ME while it was still attached. They most certainly do have measurements now and photos to confirm the placement.

dsntslp
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
Something that needs to be considered in regards to these "84 or 86 visits" to web sites...many websites have auto-refresh where they refresh on their own every few seconds. Each refreshed page would should up as a new visit.I have an auto-refresh add-on through Firefox and it does not show a new visit each time in my history.

The Eunice Burns
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
CM complaining that there is a "logistical problem" with feeding the jury on Saturday?

O cmon, weak, weak, weak

Was it yesterday or the day before when HHJP said to CM....*It is what it is, Mr. Mason*. In reference to the long day on Saturday. CM is still trying to needle him about it.

Socprof
06-23-2011, 05:23 PM
CM complaining that there is a "logistical problem" with feeding the jury on Saturday?

O cmon, weak, weak, weak

Not CM's problem, but is his excuse for not wanting to work on Sat.

jon_burrows
06-23-2011, 05:23 PM
Bill S. just said Cindy said she didn't have a myspace. The chloroform search was 20 seconds before going to myspace.

IMO

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06-23-2011, 05:23 PM
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The Eunice Burns
06-23-2011, 05:23 PM
Bill S says he thinks the state's case is still intact. Although it was an intriguing 28 minutes.

2goldfish
06-23-2011, 05:24 PM
:banghead: Sorry, but the State looks like they are in an unrecoverable tailspin. She can get off because of them!!!:maddening:



IMO jurors right now are thinking "but.......she didnt search "how to make chloraform" and it didnt google itself, make itself, or magic itself into the trunk" and that is even IF they thought she was telling the truth.

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06-23-2011, 05:24 PM
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grandmaj
06-23-2011, 08:19 PM
:banghead: Sorry, but the State looks like they are in an unrecoverable tailspin. She can get off because of them!!!:maddening:

Not a chance IMO. Rebuttal will be painful for Cindy Anthony.