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QueenD
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Wonder what the legal matter was? All JA ask if he had seen the cans and did he test them?

tehcloser
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
OMG. The Defense team would've been up screaming 'mistrial' in unison.

Ayup, right after they picked themselves up off the floor. :floorlaugh:

Emeralgem
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
I have never in my life seen such a mess...

momtective
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
I wish they would just take the jurors on a little field trip, let them see and smell the car and let them decide if there's been "a dead body in the danmed trunk!"

whiteangora
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
KC looks scared!!! She is SCARED TO SMELL THAT SMELL AGAIN!! Open the cans!
That smell should be pumped into her jail cell 24 hours a day.

Quiche
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Ut Oh...CNN now showing Logan...now he is beginning to grow the 'head-horns'!

This must be where the devil image got the idea of horns-- extreme stress and plotting. mo

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Commercial NOW, wftv?! Seriously?!

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
Were I on the jury, all this fuss would ensure we would be opening these cans during deliberations....imho

The problem is that you really need context to recognize the scent. That is, unless you can see a dead body and smell that smell, thus associating the two things in your mind, the smell has no meaning beyond being really bad and unlike anything you may have smelled before.

This is really the heart of the matter with those claiming to know the smell. They do know it, because they've smelled a dead body and knew that was what they were smelling. It is true that it is unlike other smells. But in the absence of visual context, you just can't make the connection.

I suppose that the jury could smell the can and go, "Wow, that's the worst smell I've ever smelled (assuming the sample came out as intended), and maybe even involuntarily wretch. Given the circumstances of the collection and the testimony, they might then accept that it was te smell of a dead body. The defense, on the other hand, could always claim that in the absence of a body, there is no proof that the smell is coming from that body.

:cow:

RR0004
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
Backpeddling 101-CA Style
CNN still claims it's legit.

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
Logan peeks out from behind the mountain of lrf;jrn;vouihs;ovgb!

16945

How many kjavshdubq;bkj does it take to find case law?

16946

Serjen
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
UH OH, is JA in trouble...??

ohiogirl
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
EXACTLY! Just what I was going to say. These experts only do what they are asked to do. Therefor, defense doesn't their own "evidence" to refute that of the State. They think they can get some poor 'expert' person up there, and it ain't workin'. Mostly because JA is always at least 5 steps ahead of these folks. Frankly, I usually end up feeling story for these witnesses, they have not been prepared by Baaaaez, and definitely aren't prepared for JA.

If an expert was going to testify in the biggest trial of the decade, if I were one, I have to know what point the DT is trying to make with me. Now, how hard would it have been to look up the case files, it's all over the internet, and figure out what was going to happen.
They do not have to agree to testify, and I would have immediately run the other way. jmo:seeya:

strach304
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
He said he couldn't reproduce the test but he could've tested the samples.

Jetaime
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/2cftdf9.jpg

Steely Dan
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
I just woke up what'd I miss?

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
Defense has "Kicked the door open". JA

TotallyObsessed
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
Burden shifting. JA saying the defense opened that door.

adb263
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
After looking at Dorothy Sims website, she seems like someone I could really like, if it wasn't for the fact she is trying to get a child murderer off!! JMO

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
Paralegal ICA will now look that case up for you JB!!!

Isn't she something? I'm thinking she's singing her favorite song to herself when she looks so engrossed. Like she understands whatever she's looking at??? Seriously, GMAB.

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
Spermicide? Do what?

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
JA saying DS's question about if he could reproduce the experiment opened the door, as per Overton case, to asking him why he didn't try.

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
JB: Can you spell Overton? I thought you said overturn and I was calling friends and family.

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
I think they are trying to get in that they did not test/could not test... wonder why there is case law on this...

Tipstaff
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
Is JA trying to get the can opened on this witness? Do we know?

Don't think so - just wants to get testimony and maybe tests by the witness???

ohiogirl
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
CNN still claims it's legit.

It may have been a legitimate interview with Lippman, but it was not with the A's and he had no business giving the interview in the first place, and I believe he was taken out of context, and he should stay away from reporters.
The A's haven't said anything, jmo:seeya:

Serjen
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
Commercial NOW, wftv?! Seriously?!
If you open the Casey Cam in one window, and the Trial Cam in another (open them several minutes apart so they don't go to commercial at the same time). Then you can just mute one and keep other sound on, and when it goes to commercial, unmute the other...that way you can always hear what's going on. I know it's a little more work, but it's what I do.

adb263
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
I have never in my life seen such a mess...

I KNOW!!!! It is an absolute Kerfuffle!!!

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
JA - defense kicked open the door on redirect when they asked if witness could reproduce the test results-

Mosby
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
Wonder what the legal matter was? All JA ask if he had seen the cans and did he test them?

I think that's the issue. Normally I don't think the DT is allowed to be asked why they didn't test.

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 02:01 PM
OMG....why do I find that Overton related to spermicide hilarious????

mitzi
06-23-2011, 02:02 PM
What's Casey burying her head in? A new romance novel?

yeah...title: "The Counselor and The Temptress Take No Prisoners."

shelbar53
06-23-2011, 02:02 PM
The problem is that you really need context to recognize the scent. That is, unless you can see a dead body and smell that smell, thus associating the two things in your mind, the smell has no meaning beyond being really bad and unlike anything you may have smelled before.

This is really the heart of the matter with those claiming to know the smell. They do know it, because they've smelled a dead body and knew that was what they were smelling. It is true that it is unlike other smells. But in the absence of visual context, you just can't make the connection.

I suppose that the jury could smell the can and go, "Wow, that's the worst smell I've ever smelled (assuming the sample came out as intended), and maybe even involuntarily wretch. Given the circumstances of the collection and the testimony, they might then accept that it was te smell of a dead body. The defense, on the other hand, could always claim that in the absence of a body, there is no proof that the smell is coming from that body.

:cow:

Buzzkill. I so wanted them to open the cans.

mollymil23
06-23-2011, 02:02 PM
Commercial NOW, wftv?! Seriously?!

AdBlock Plus and Firefox and they are gone with no interruptions at all...

http://adblockplus.org/en/

2goldfish
06-23-2011, 02:03 PM
hmmm...casey-like, simms' demeanor changes when jury is not present.

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 02:03 PM
DS - says reproduce testing results has nothing to do with HIM doing the actual testing and shifting the burden to the defense to perform the test

heartfortruth
06-23-2011, 02:03 PM
What's Casey burying her head in? A new romance novel?

Bible?

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 02:03 PM
ABCAshleigh Ashleigh Banfield
So here's the #caseyanthony legal issue. Def asked witness if he could "repeat" the test. He couldn't as he may have left lab by then.

Trident
06-23-2011, 02:03 PM
spermicide? I just got back - do tell - please

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 02:03 PM
Ohhh... the DT does not want it to come in that they didn't ask this guy to test the material.. or any material for that matter.
IMO, they are afraid of the results and would rather just attack the tests the SA did

dog.gone.cute
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Too bad one of those lids didn't pop off.

:eek::eek::eek:

Now that would have been hilarious . . . :floorlaugh:

Reality Orlando
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
OMG< WFTV is ridiculous today! Goes blank during down time then goes to commercial at crucial times. Sheesh.

ebedeeb
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
DS actually found her voice and sounds 1/2 way intelligent. IMO

Quiche
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Nahhhhh

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Ashton says the defense's line of questioning shifts burden of proof. **note- jury is not in courtroom. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:03 PM

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Judge will now rule on burden shifting

nursebeeme
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
spermicide? I just got back - do tell - please

case law

mck16
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
She is sucking up to the judge. Barf!!

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 02:05 PM
Buzzkill. I so wanted them to open the cans.

LOL Sorry! Seems a generally bad idea.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:05 PM
Logan says the test by Vass and Wise can't be reproduced. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:04 PM

LancelotLink
06-23-2011, 02:05 PM
Did DCS ask Logan if he could reproduce the test or reproduce the results?

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 02:05 PM
JA: Hayes case saying that the state can't shift the burden to the defense unless the defense has chosen to present a defense that requires some kind of burden, such as alibi.

DS: says her question was completely different, and any defense couldn't ask any questions if this argument is allowed.
it's clear that the experiment followed no protocols, unclear about how the samples were obtained.
Moves to strike the comment and ask for jury instructions.


Unsure how it applies here?

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:05 PM
HHJP going to let it in, I'll bet.

Jetaime
06-23-2011, 02:06 PM
#CaseyAnthony A friend of mine who has been a court reporter for m any years says she's never seen a trial move at such a slow pace
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:04 PM

Quiche
06-23-2011, 02:06 PM
Why does HLN think because the judge is speaking it's time to take a break? Come on...

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 02:06 PM
yeah...title: "The Counselor and The Temptress Take No Prisoners."

Maybe she likes reading Nancy Drew books (or whatever the equivalent is for this century). She's unreal.

Linda7NJ
06-23-2011, 02:06 PM
HHJP going to let it in, I'll bet.


don't think so....


I think Jeff was actually right tho when using the caselaw he cited

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 02:06 PM
Well, what's good for the goose... If the DT is going to continue to claim that the SAO didn't do tests they should have done, surely the SAO has a right to inquire about the same issue with their experts when they're claiming that the SAO's tests are bogus.

RR0004
06-23-2011, 02:07 PM
It may have been a legitimate interview with Lippman, but it was not with the A's and he had no business giving the interview in the first place, and I believe he was taken out of context, and he should stay away from reporters.
The A's haven't said anything, jmo:seeya:
They also claimed said that his comments were NOT off the record...as had been previously reported. I will believe it when I hear it with my own ears, preferably from George and Cindy. :)

AMMich
06-23-2011, 02:07 PM
Okay, but seriously, how does he know if he could test what is inside a sealed can?

I know it is a crazy thought but does anyone think the SA's have a third can that they opened by themselves just to make sure the smell was still in it? It would be a disaster to open the cans and find that the smell had dissipated. It would be very Geraldo'ish.

JSR
06-23-2011, 02:07 PM
Paralegal ICA will now look that case up for you JB!!!

Snort, like she would ever know how ...

wvjules
06-23-2011, 02:07 PM
IMO, Not going to be allowed. :(

katydid23
06-23-2011, 02:07 PM
Judge is going to go with DS on this one. JA is going to lose this argument.

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 02:08 PM
we need a poltergeist to slam one of those cans up against .............. right now.........

Carolina Girl
06-23-2011, 02:08 PM
I know it is a crazy thought but does anyone think the SA's have a third can that they opened by themselves just to make sure the smell was still in it? It would be a disaster to open the cans and find that the smell had dissipated. It would be very Geraldo'ish.

I don't know that, but there are 4 cans there.

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:08 PM
don't think so....


I think Jeff was actually right tho when using the caselaw he cited

Starting to sound like you're right.

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 02:08 PM
don't think so....


I think Jeff was actually right tho when using the caselaw he cited

I agree, but I think it's going to get tossed

Emeralgem
06-23-2011, 02:08 PM
OMG< WFTV is ridiculous today! Goes blank during down time then goes to commercial at crucial times. Sheesh.

Hardly any of the links are working for me...Terrible mess.. I decided to try..


http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1

Pebbles1968
06-23-2011, 02:08 PM
Not going in I think MOO

Steven30CA
06-23-2011, 02:09 PM
IMO, Not going to be allowed. :(

I totally agreed.


But DT is saying that there is no proof of dead body in the trunk.

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 02:09 PM
Isn’t JA just trying to make the point that this witness can’t sit there and say he could have tested the samples if the DT did not ask him to do so?

RR0004
06-23-2011, 02:09 PM
Can't JA just simply ask, "Did you test the sample?"

Bobbarita
06-23-2011, 02:09 PM
HHJP sounds a bit tired. I think this is wearing on him.

Pebbles1968
06-23-2011, 02:09 PM
And Overton is a terrible case from what I read of it
Link
http://www.denverda.org/DNA_Documents/Overton.pdf

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:09 PM
Or maybe he is going to let it in...hmmm...

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
Here comes the Mistrial Motion.......

Marina2
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
I'd have to go with DS on this one. It seems it would shift the burden and cause an appellate issue. But I trust HHJP's decision.

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
Which way ya gonna rule, JP?

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
I don't like when they talk about mistrials.... please make the ruling JP...
I think it will be denied.

stilettos
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmm......interesting.

21merc7
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
DS talking with JB writing something down

katydid23
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
Well, what's good for the goose... If the DT is going to continue to claim that the SAO didn't do tests they should have done, surely the SAO has a right to inquire about the same issue with their experts when they're claiming that the SAO's tests are bogus.

No, not the same thing because the State is REQUIRED to test everything and has a burden to do so. The DT has no such burden or responsibility. And by asking, JA stepped into territory that is off limits.

JSR
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
He's not going to let it in. It's a shame though that the DT is allowed to insinuate errors in the testing especially since this particular witness has to step down from his current job for the very reasons he's criticizing the body farm labs.

TortillaChip
06-23-2011, 02:10 PM
OMG, they wanted a mistrial again, I just got a stomach cramp.........please no.....

ohiogirl
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
This is why JA needs to keep his cool. He could have sidebarred it before slamming the cans down to tell His Honor what he thought he could ask. This could have been discussed without the jury seeing this, and no mistrial opportunity would ever come up. Now we will see. jmo of course, i'm not an attorney

Bittiness39
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I would wager...given the FACT that HHJP has only been overruled 1/2 of 1 case in his entire awesome career...that whatever decision he renders will be just/fair/and awesome.

ami
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I don't get lawspeak... I can't tell how any of this relates to the case law they're citing. Yikes@

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I think denied....just to be on the safe side

grammieto5
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
Had to take a phone call what's going on JP talking mistrial????

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
Proper comment on the evidence. HA! It's in!

ETA: Or it's out. Lord...just rule!

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I love how JB and DS chat while JP is talking.

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
:gasp: What? You mean I'm not a legal expert and incorrectly predicted HHJBP's ruling?

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 02:11 PM
Or maybe he is going to let it in...hmmm...

SO confused, I hear what the Judge is reading, but I can't make heads nor tails of it.

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 02:12 PM
its in, its out, its in, its out, its in, its out, omg
sustained violate due process shifting to defense.

stilettos
06-23-2011, 02:12 PM
Carp.

What'sThatClue
06-23-2011, 02:12 PM
crumb...defense objection sustained

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 02:12 PM
Vitiate - on of my favorite words.

wait, wut did he say?

Serjen
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
The Defense is SO rude while the Judge is speaking! Stop talking Baez!

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
Judge Perry rules for the defense and sustains their objection, stating it would shift burden of proof.
by Jeff Cousins/WESH.com at 1:12 PM

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
and overton is a terrible case from what i read of it
link
http://www.denverda.org/dna_documents/overton.pdf

omg. Terrible.

ami
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
However... this witness has not been qualified as an expert in air quality analysis.

Camille
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
After looking at Dorothy Sims website, she seems like someone I could really like, if it wasn't for the fact she is trying to get a child murderer off!! JMO


Without defense attorneys there is no justice for anyone in the country. She's doing her job and performing a very important social service. She should be respected for that if she does it in a moral and honest manner.

kpalma715
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
What the heck is going on????????

Dysthymia
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
I just heard Sunny Hostin on HLN asking why didn't the defense just embrace the body in the trunk and say George put her there.

I've said that and wondered why they didn't do so all this time, too. Neither side can prove who put Caylee in the trunk and even though it's pretty absolutely clear that Casey put Caylee's body there, her defense could still have been that it was George who did it. The defense wouldn't have to ineptly hammer away with one nervous, ill prepared expert after another.

At least, that's the way I feel after having to take excedrin every day now.

Even though I'm of the opinion that Caylee died as a result of an accident, I also believe that the "accident" was a form of negligence and/or abuse caused by Casey's complete lack of putting Caylee's safety and needs first.

I think about little Caylee Marie Anthony every time I watch this trial or read about it. Her death is heartbreaking. She deserved a chance to grow up and live her life. God bless her soul.

Linda7NJ
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
He is not gonna stike the question...I bet:)

What'sThatClue
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
Is JA gonna get a dressing-down? :(

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
O.K. now Judge saying before lunch, this Witness NOT AN EXPERT ON AIR SAMPLE ANALYSIS!! Still have no idea with Judge Perry will say here, though....

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
The suspense is killing me.

Bobbarita
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
Oooooh. JA is going to win anyway!

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
another commercial on WFTV????

ETA: Make that two in a row?????????????????????

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
Sustained

This witness not air sample expert so did you read case I told you to before lunch

DesSands
06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
#CaseyAnthony A friend of mine who has been a court reporter for m any years says she's never seen a trial move at such a slow pace
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:04 PM

This is ridiculous, so many side bars and other delays. If I was a juror I'd feign illness soon. :banghead:

rosepetal1065
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
I love how JB and DS chat while JP is talking.

It's so freaking rude..

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
Judge asked defense to read over a case during lunch concerning attacking validity of another expert's opinion.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:14 PM

Amster
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
Is JA gonna get a dressing-down? :(

No, the DT is.

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
"Cracking the door..." :floorlaugh:

Reality Orlando
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
Mack Truck...lol.

ZsaZsa
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
This is ridiculous, so many side bars and other delays. If I was a juror I'd feign illness soon. :banghead:

I am missing Wimbledon for this.... :innocent:

JSR
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
ahh he's at least splitting the baby.

And warning them about not cracking the door open.

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
Mr Ashton - are you a truck driver

RR0004
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
This guy isn't an expert so why is he allowed to even mention Dr. Vass' name or any testing he's done?

What'sThatClue
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
HHJP says "tread very lightly...while you didn't open the door, it looks as if you tried to crack it open"

Macushla
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
Mack truck through that door! Love it!

Jetaime
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
HHJP: "Mr Ashton looked like he was gonna run a mack truck through that door" :floorlaugh:

Serjen
06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
If you crack open the door DT, Mr Ashton is prepared to run through it with a Mack Truck...LMAO!!!! GO HHJP!

KenoshaKid
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Judge warns them that even tho they haven't opened the door, they seem to be trying to get it cracked open.

cityslick
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
JA going to run a Mack truck through the door!

LOL I love these one liners.

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
HHJP - won't have burden shifting but can't use burden of proof as shield and then use it as a club against state

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Mr. Ashton's ready to run a mack truck through tht door. HHJP

SCWldneart
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
if I were on the jury, it would be so obvious to me that the DT has nothing and because of such, they are purposely trying to confuse me.

JSR
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
JA was ready to drive a mack truck through the crack in the door.

lowens1975
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
JP analogy: Jeff Ashton and Mack truck. I can see it.

Z-sleuth
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
LOL..."Mr. Ashton looked like he was gonna run a Mack truck through that door." HHJP

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
"While you did not open the door, it looks as though you cracked it open."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:14 PM

Perry: "I would tread very lightly in this area."
by Jeff Cousins/WESH.com at 1:14 PM

Judge Perry warns defense to "tread lightly." he says while defense hasn't opened door- they might be trying to crack it. #CaseyAnthony
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:14 P

Mosby
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Not coming in, but even before this business with the cans, the jury has got to be wondering why the DT didn't test anything. I would be wondering.

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
JP: "The proper line of <pause pause pause> well, that's not my job."

QueenD
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Mr. Ashton looked like he was ready to run a Mack truck throught that door.

Oh Lawd, HHJP is killing me with his humor.

kpalma715
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
JA is going to run a MACK truck through that door!!! LMAOOOO

octobermoon
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
oh we need a mac truck smilie~~~LOL

Miziree
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
:floorlaugh:Mack Truck...lol.

Carolina Girl
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Look at the clerk grinning when he tells State to be VERY careful!

PGWodehouse
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
HHJP: Defense close to cracking door, and Mr Ashton ready to drive Mack truck through that door.
:D:D:D

21merc7
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Madam Clerk grinning when HJJP said Mr. Ashton looked like he was going to run a Mack truck through that door

adb263
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Was HHJP going to tell the defense how to do their job? But then caught himself?

2goldfish
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
HHJP "well, that's not my job.." :biglaugh:

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
HHJP: Well...that's not my job.

Translation: If the DT is stupid enough to open this door, that's not my problem.

npcougar
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
lol, judge was going to tell the defense how to do their job.

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
This Judge is so very thorough!! I do love him for that, no matter what his rulings are!!

What'sThatClue
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
"Sustained subject to someone opening the door.."

JSR
06-23-2011, 02:15 PM
LOL HHJP oh nevermind that's not my job (he was going on to further warn the DT)

stilettos
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Drive that truck JA!! Right through the crack...make a hole and make it wide!

Soulmagent
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
The proper line of --uh - thats not my job.. HHJP 6/23/2011

RR0004
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Perry educating the DT once again. Not his job to...(left open).

gamom
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
HHJP: JA is prepared to run a mack train to the cracked door!

Amster
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Stop it Simms!! Whining and fussing and crying....just stop!!!

amayla
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
I "lol"ed a the mac truck comment. Oh my goodness.

Defense requesting that jury is told about "dramatic" nature of JA putting the evidence in front of the witness.

eelie
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Dramatic? JB yelled straight at the jury the first day during opening statements. !!!

JSR
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Now DS is pushing her luck.

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
curative instructions.....all he really did was ask if he had seen or tested these cans.

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
ooh HHJP not going to give curative instructions to jurors

Curious Me
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
From what I gather per HHJP, the witness can not testify as an expert on air samples because he only read a couple of articles.

"Can't take it as a shield then turn it around and use it as a club on the State", says HHJP. The Defense was trying to do that.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Sims says Ashton is being "dramatic" when lining evidence up on the stand in front of the jury. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:16 PM

Perry also says it looks as if Ashton will try to drive a Mack truck through it. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:15 PM

cityslick
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
I'm waiting for the photoshop pic of JA running a truck through a door now.

Eidetic
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
HJBP in respones to DS: Well, you didn't object to it. The only thing you objected to was burden shifting.

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
AmandaOberWESH Amanda Ober
#CaseyAnthony Perry stopped mid sentence and said "..well, that's not my job". He was essentially trying to teach defense the law!

Bobbarita
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Again HHJB has to school Sims in lawyering....

Mamabear1963
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Mr Ashton is prepared to drive a mac truck through it..


DS...whine...dramatics...whine...whine...

lesson...:great:

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
on further review: No instant replay

Serjen
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
So DS wants the Judge to ask the jurors to pretend they didn't see JA slam the evidence down. LMAO! Okay DS, not everyone suffers selective memory like ICA

Steely Dan
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
Can someone please summarize what's going on I missed the first half hour here. Thanks

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
Perry stopped mid sentence and said "..well, that's not my job". He was essentially trying to teach defense the law!
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:16 PM

Novice Seeker
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
Finally, HHJP refusing to assist the DT because it isn't his job

stilettos
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
Oh Lord here comes Cheney!

21merc7
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
KC unhappy with HHJP's decision about instructing the jury about JA's blow out

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
CM arguing for curative instructions....he is having to ‘help’ DS

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
CM - now wants curative instruction that defense has no burden of proof

yeknomaras
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
JA better be really effing careful right now

my goodness he's having a bad day....

Eidetic
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
lol DS: "if we could remove those items (cans containing decompositional odor from carpet samples of Casey Anthony's trunk sitting in front of defense teams witness, Logan) and place them back on the table as well."

Defense is so scared of those cans!

Dysthymia
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
Where does Judge Perry find all his patience? He's remarkable.

adb263
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
lol, judge was going to tell the defense how to do their job.

O/T....are you a north putnam cougar????

amayla
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
Mason always wants to tell the jury they have no verdict of proof. He asking about that again.

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:17 PM
JA: As to what question is that re...late...ed. :floorlaugh:

GreenTeam
06-23-2011, 02:18 PM
Brother, CM wants jury instructed on the burden of proof on the SA.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:18 PM
Sims wants to remove items (evidence) from witness stand. Ashton will pull them out again with less dramatics. Sims just removed evidence.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:17 PM

Serjen
06-23-2011, 02:18 PM
Look at the clerk grinning when he tells State to be VERY careful!

He told Defense to be very careful...

TortillaChip
06-23-2011, 02:18 PM
Is JA gonna get a dressing-down? :(

Fortunately its seem to be the other way around........Seems the DT had an ulterior motive here........The judge saying they were about to open that door.

rosepetal1065
06-23-2011, 02:18 PM
Weren't they doing just fine...before CM got up..I thought things were getting settled?

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 02:18 PM
cans removed from witness area DT objecting to last question

jane the dood
06-23-2011, 02:18 PM
Mr Ashton - are you a truck driver

A Mack truck driver. A Big Mack truck driver!

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
...proffer on the offer

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
JA now proferring Logan re: air sample testing

ZsaZsa
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
He told Defense to be very careful...

HHJP has a full time job with this DT to extract their feet from their mouths every day.

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
CM wants a curative. He certainly needs one.

momtective
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
Okay, I have every confidence the door will be opened...just put Baez back up to question the witness....mack truck will roll. :floorlaugh:

Carolina Girl
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
He told Defense to be very careful...

Yes, thank you, was what I meant. DEFENSE.

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
Curative instructions - what could they say?? Ignore JA's dramatic-ness? Now he can ask the questions? This is quite ridiculous how long it will take the DT to get through their CIC if they have to stop and get a law school lesson every day.

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
proffer time....dust hasn’t settled yet.

jon_burrows
06-23-2011, 02:19 PM
I don't care about the objection being sustained, the jury got the picture and you can't unring a bell. Baez does it all the time---asking a question he knows he shouldn't ask clearly to send a message to the jury.

IMO

sorrell skye
06-23-2011, 02:20 PM
IMO, I'm surprised that HHJP allowed JA to approach the witness with the cans in the dramatic manner in which he did.

As far as I'm concerned, JA's manner toward the witness was NOT okay, regardless of any reason why he did so.

Following JA's actions, it was very difficult for me to continue to follow the subsequent court proceedings, since I was so taken aback by what I perceived to be a violent action toward a witness on the part of the prosecutor.

I have to wonder how the jurors may have responded, as well.

ETA: This is not the first time that JA has lost his temper in the courtroom. This is not a professional demeanor. I'm personally surprised that anyone could cheer his behavior, especially considering that JA is prosecuting a murder case.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:20 PM
Ashton is now questioning Dr. Logan to find out if he could reproduce the test
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:19 PM

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 02:20 PM
The good thing about the State is that they ask the Judge what they can or cannot ask. JB just asks what he wants, and then even when he is told what he CANNOT ask, he continues to ask them anyway! JB has snuck so many ideas into the jurors heads with this tactic., IMO< MOO,

Miss Anarchy
06-23-2011, 02:20 PM
Even when HHJP rules in the DT's favor, it is a good thing. ICA will still be found guilty and HHJP's ruling is making sure she has a fair trial and that any verdict won't be overturned on appeal. So even though it is for the DT in the present, it is better in the long run.

strach304
06-23-2011, 02:20 PM
Why did the judge sustain if the defense opened the door? I don't understand his ruling.

raysgirl1126
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Ok really really dumb question i'm sure, but what is the point of asking the witness questions when the jury is not in the room? Do they go back and read the transcript or something? It really confuses me.

stilettos
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Bloviating...(*^^(*) and I *&T)(*)_) (*Y)*)(*2

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
uh...I would have to review the article.....JA is one shrewd puppy. I wish the jury had heard that.

reeseeva
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
ICA's dichotomous look at Jeff A. always appears as Hate/Admiration!!

Beyond Belief
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Mack trucks are not allowed in court..........

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Dr. Logan is being uncooperative now.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Why did the judge sustain if the defense opened the door? I don't understand his ruling.

The door is only "cracked" open right now, per the judge.

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Why did the judge sustain if the defense opened the door? I don't understand his ruling.

in an "abundance of caution"... i.e. to avoid appeal or mistrial

ami
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Hah, witness was "certain" that there was not info enough in the Vass study for him to replicate the experiment, but when asked which parts were missing he said he does not remember the study.

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
HHJP just wants to give JA the go ahead. You can see he's struggling.

JSR
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
If he's not sure then WHY THE HELL IS HE TESTIFYING THAT HE CAN'T REPLICATE IT???

He should know if he's testifying to it!!!!!

eaglemom
06-23-2011, 02:21 PM
no chryo trapping instrument but could do it if had it and not sufficient info to examine carpet sample - info missing to run (Logan says needs to review article not sure) JA says settings are in bench notes - JA then withdraws question

HHJP - then says whole area walking on quicksand, JA then offers again to withdraw

HHJP - to defense when trying to impeach expert you cannot impeach validity of opinion

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:22 PM
"This whole area is like walking on quick sand."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:21 PM

Reality Orlando
06-23-2011, 02:22 PM
If you crack open the door DT, Mr Ashton is prepared to run through it with a Mack Truck...LMAO!!!! GO HHJP!

OT: some really cool old trucks...not insinuating anything JA...:)

YouTube - &#x202a;Mack Truck Memories ----- 5.45 minutes&#x202c;&rlm;

RSDhoping for a cure
06-23-2011, 02:22 PM
I almost hold my breath everytime they bring up mistrial. I am not as familiar with the laws/requirements needed for the judge to make that decision so I get so nervous!

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 02:22 PM
JA is willing to withdraw question and HHJP is not so quick to let him walk away from it.

Linda7NJ
06-23-2011, 02:22 PM
JP schooling defense....again

Amster
06-23-2011, 02:22 PM
Oh FGS!!! HHJP giving DT an out.

amayla
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
Why did the judge sustain if the defense opened the door? I don't understand his ruling.

He wants to make sure that this can't lead to a mistrial.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
Perry to Ashton: "This whole area [of questioning] is like walking on quicksand." #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:22 PM

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
HHJP is a patient teacher
DT are slow learners and are all in remedial class right now.

It is weird that he has to explain this to them. He feels very torn right now but JA is very ready to back out of it and let it go.

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
To the defense: You can't impeach an expert about his expert opinion unless you have another expert who came to a different conclusion.

ami
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
HHJP doesn't like where this is going.

cloud9
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
Now JP says DEFENSE almost opened the door. :)

Tulessa
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
This Judge is no dummy! I admire him more everyday!!

What'sThatClue
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
Sigh...recess

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
If he's not sure then WHY THE HELL IS HE TESTIFYING THAT HE CAN'T REPLICATE IT???

He should know if he's testifying to it!!!!!

My thoughts exactly! Should he be able to say the tests were not replicable, yet the state can't question his expertise in this area? or ask if he ever even tried to replicate them?!

WTH?!

SondraK
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
HHJP is stumped!!!!

wenwe4
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
HHBP advising Atty's read

JA - spermicide evident in sheet - recommended more testing ....during cross SA were allowed bring out - DT intended to do so.....believe in this case - question is admissable

Overton by their questions - can be so aggressive on question can place burden upon themselves....DT asked can you reproduce the result ...


DS - I agree with you ...prejudicial and in error - completely different in this case...

clear experiment conducted in this case - no protocols followed....nothing dileniated...if circumstances to reproduce results...not what the SA alleges- court is correct case is very clear....Dr was asked replicatable he said no....it wasn't clear What Dr. Vass & Wise had done

HHBP - anyone else? no sir

Hays vs. State addressed a proposition- burden shifting shifts burden of proof from prosecution to defendant ....court in Hays...4 error occur when prosecutor ask failure of scientific evidence...SA called LE re: clothing stain w/blood....on cross brought out SA never requsted testing....a test of blood could have eliminated Hays a suspect.....Judge overrule ....whether any defense asked to test....similar comments made concern failure of hairs defense did not test evidence @ murder - pg 188 1991 FL supreme decision...found error on defense call particular witness.....SA have to prove beyond reasonable doubt.....accordingly not defense failure ....defendant carried burden of evidence.....may have jury to leave had obligation to test evidence found @ scene to prove it didn't match....prove no such obligation


Overton vs. State 2001 decision Fl Supreme Court - next motion for mistrial...SA had disclosed argument only one type of test....Overton misleading ....mistrial was ....so prejudicial .....based upon evidence introduced defense admitted sample @ trial...attempted to....prosecution only requested one test....confirmatory test was a proper during trial....more testing was needed noting defense only submitted one sample SA wanted more testing .....we do ....SA was a proper comment and not so eviciate the entire trial.....

DT object to rely on question - is sustained - shift burden of proof to defense NOW
earlier before lunch - ask defense read case of Cuban vs. State .....dealing with attack validity of another expert opinion....this witness has not been qualified as an expert in area air sample analysis....during Frye hearing order - when Dr. testified....what I said that Dr was not qualified @ that time train and experience in that area was reading 2 articles from Dr. Strephanopolis and Dr. Vass....he is qualified as toxicologist and some areas in analytical chemistry...tread very lightly.....while you have not opened that door yet...Mr. Ashton is ready to run Mack Truck thru that door...cannot use it as a shield and then turnaround and use it as a club against the state....the proper line...well that is not my job....questioning about the cans...subjecting opening the door.....


DS we would ask for curative instruction to the jury and the manner he lined the cans up...you didn't object...if I do that you are getting replay...if you are asking for instruction .....last question from Mr. A ...say objection is sustained I could do that...DS I have a feeling that would be just fine....remove those items as well? HHBP we can do that..

CM - curative instruction....that sentence from Supreme Court - ask for instruction for burden of proof

JA - as to which question?
HHBP for the last question I will have court reporter find - I will do that....

If you have been sent one of those could you have tested it? @ this point no curative instructions needed - didn't say who ......think curative for abundance of caution....if you want to profer ...

HHBP - qustion DS asked whether could she reproduce the results?
JA - DR. logan can you take these cans and test in tevlar bag....35 degrees centigrade, extract amount, inject into cryotrapping? we don't have cryotrapping instruments we could if we had one....not enough information in Lab notes to replicate -

Dr. Logan would to review his article...at this point not sure - take a moment to do that...aren't the settings of the machine in the lab notes?
JA will withdraw...

HHBP - question by dt - this whole area is just like walking on quicksand....to the DT trying to impeach an expert you cannot impeach an experts ? - have to do that by showing another experts conclusions were different....you don't have an expert to show their exam is different...that is problem with this whole line of questioning! Both sides read 2000 decision...take 10 min recess.

Marina2
06-23-2011, 02:23 PM
HHJP badly wants JA to be able to pursue some line of questioning about this as the door was opened. He just doesn't want to go as far as creating an appellate issue.

mombomb
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
1:29 witness coming back to the stand.

1:30 Jury coming back in

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DR. LOGAN BY DS - continued

Where were the four fatty acids found in this case? On a paper towel.

No further questions.

CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA:

All three fatty acids found in combination in vegetable material?

OBJECTION - OVERRULED

Yes, they are - in oily vegetables like palm oil. He is not aware of them being present in cabbage, but they are present in decomposition material.

Yes

OBJECTION - OVERRULED - untimely, question was already answered

the same fatty acids are present in adipocere as in dairy products.

Is the carbon chain the same in both? The four compounds are found in adipocere and dairy products.

Other products found in milk cheese and butter than in adipocere? Yes.

When faced with a challenge with no protocol, they should develop a new protocol.

Any kind of forensic samples can have special challanges.

Journal of Forensic Science does not give step by step methodology for general GCMS testing. Some of it is.

A blank is a sample of room air? When a blank shows some unexpected results, it should be investigated as to whether contamination or machine settings. Stop, make a correction, then run again. The same is true when one finds an open valve error. That was what was reflected in the bench notes.

No further questions.

RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DS:

What do you think "Challenges" mean? Something unusual or unexpected in the study.

What do challenges...

OBJECTION - SUSTAINED

Are there published protocols in how to collect air from the trunk of a car? No, there aren't any.

Are there published protocols on how to collect carpet from the trunk of a car? No.

OBJECTION - SUSTAINED

Could you reproduce this test? No, there is a lot of info not in the bench notes. There would be no way for him to know if he did the test the same way.

RE-CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA:

Your lab doesn't do this kind of test does it? We would be capable of doing it.

He was shown Exhibits 114, 133, 322, 323. He has never seen any of them. If you were given them, could you have tested them?

SIDEBAR #9 (1:43-1:50)

Jury excused - 1:50

HHJBP - Mr. Ashton - your argument. You may want to look at Hayes v State.

JA - Overton v State.

HHJBP - On Hayes - read Headnote #8

JA - State's position is that by defense asking if he could reproduce the results and his answer was no - in Overton - that opens the door as to why he couldn't or whether he tried.

HHJBP - what in Overton suggests this?

JA - He sites Overton and Hayes - burden shifting. The defense's question went to that level.

DS - Doesn't think it is even close. Her questions had to do with the testing in this case - that it could not be reproduced. It is not burden shifting. It is clear that this test can not be reproduced. We move to strike the comment and ask for curative instructions. The Court is correct, Hayes is very clear. The doctor was correct in his answer when he said no because it was not clear as to what Dr. Wise or Dr. Vass did.

HHJBP: FSC in Hayes addressed a proposition of law dealing with burden shifting - shifting the burden of proof from the prosecution to the defendant. His honor then read the facts of that case. He then described the Overton findings.

The Defense's objection to line of questioning is SUSTAINED in that it would shift the burden.

HHJBP - Before lunch, he asked the defense to read Cuban v. State dealing with attacking the validity of another expert's opinion. This witness has not been qualified as an expert in the area of air sample analysis. My order during Frye hearing was that this witness was not qualified to render an opinion in that area. He is qualified in analytical chemistry. I would tread very likely in this area, because, while you did not open the door, it looks like you are trying to get it cracked open and Mr. Ashton is looking like he is trying to run a mack truck through the door. You can't use the burden of proof as a shield and then turn around and use it as a club against the state.

DS - she objects to JA going up to the jury with the bags of evidence. She wants a curative instruction to the jury.

HHJBP - Well, you did not object to it. If I do that, the only thing it is going to do is an instant replay on that. If you are asking for instructions to disregard last line of questioning, I can do that.

DS - she feels that would be just fine.

CM - Curative instructions found in first quote His Honor read would be appropriate and he would request that.

JA - As to which question? The question was, if you had been sent one of those, could you have tested it? At this point, he does not feel a curative instruction is necessary.

HHJBP - out of an abundance of caution, I think it is necessary.

HHJBP - to JA you have a right to proffer,

PROFFER BY JA

Could you take a sample from one of these and put it in a Tevlar bag and heat it and then extract an amount of air, inject it into a GCMS with cryo-trapping if they had such a machine. There is not sufficient info in the paper or notes to set the machine properly. He is not sure at this point what additional info is needed.

HHJBP - to the defense, if you are trying to impeach an expert, you cannot impeach the validity of the expert's opinion. You have to do that by showing another expert's opinion is different. That is the problem with this whole line of questioning.

HHJBP - Both sides read Network Publications.

2:23 - 10 minute recess.

GreenTeam
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Not sure why this is so hard to figure out . . . it seems if the defense asked if he could replicate the test, why can't Ashton ask more about that?

TortillaChip
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Poor JBP, what is happening? Why is he having a hard time here?

waylos
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Dramatic? JB yelled straight at the jury the first day during opening statements. !!!
Yep, that's the one time that my mouth hung open... not today! I'm just yawning today.
Again... just my opinion.

Miss Anarchy
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Ok really really dumb question i'm sure, but what is the point of asking the witness questions when the jury is not in the room? Do they go back and read the transcript or something? It really confuses me.

Its called Proffer. Basically the HHJP wants to know the answers to the questions before the witness testifies before the jury.

Bittiness39
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Okay, I have every confidence the door will be opened...just put Baez back up to question the witness....mack truck will roll. :floorlaugh:

ITA! And since, IMO, he is more about covering his BAEZ rather than his client...

He promised all of these media people, in what I totally believe, behind closed doors that there would be fireworks...And basically, what he has show thus far nada.

He is in deep **** with these peeps, jmo. And all he will do on the emotional side (after the forensics) is just kick dirt on people in a failed effort to make Casey look better by comparison. You can't render someone clean by destroying others. (Hello!!!!) By definition you render your own comparison useless. :rocker:

mck16
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
JA is willing to withdraw question and HHJP is not so quick to let him walk away from it.

That in my opinion is because JP knows what the defence is trying to do and that JA is right.

tehcloser
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Bill S. saying walking a thin line with a mistrial with this. rut roh..............

shelbar53
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
OT: some really cool old trucks...not insinuating anything JA...:)

YouTube - &#x202a;Mack Truck Memories ----- 5.45 minutes&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqQbMJSejO8)

off topic
FYI. i'm about 2 miles from where they build mack trucks, im in mack truck country. I just loved that he used that as an example.

MaryAnn
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
OMG, this is scary. Came close to a mistrial. I cannot go through this again!

liltexans
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Perry instructs both sides to read a case during a 10 minute recess.
by Jessica Steck/WESH.com at 1:24 PM

Perry tells attorneys to read case law. 10 min recess
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:23 PM

nursebeeme
06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Oh FGS!!! HHJP giving DT an out.
he is going by the law... not giving them an out imhoo.

he also just told the DT that they are going about impeaching an expert in the wrong way.. ... :twocents:

Jada85
06-23-2011, 02:25 PM
It always amazes me how quickly the Judge can come up with other case references off the top of his head hehe

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 02:25 PM
This stuff is finer than frog hair

HotButteredGrits
06-23-2011, 02:25 PM
Per WFTV ... this issue is very close to a mistrial so this is why it's being handled so carefully.

CarolinaWoman
06-23-2011, 02:25 PM
When Casey is sentenced to LWOP, she is going to get her GED or diploma and then study law and help all her fellow jailbirds. :floorlaugh:

tehcloser
06-23-2011, 02:25 PM
"If not handled correctly we could have a mistrial here"..............WFTV.

ami
06-23-2011, 02:25 PM
My thoughts exactly! Should he be able to say the tests were not replicable, yet the state can't question his expertise in this area? or ask if he ever even tried to replicate them?!

WTH?!

To me it sounds like JA knows full well that the witness's lab doesn't have the equipment to replicate it, and it also sounds like he knows positively that the settings are listed in the bench notes. He sounded confident of that. I bet he even knows the settings himself.