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beach
06-19-2011, 04:39 PM
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nursebeeme
06-23-2011, 01:07 PM
bumpity bump! hope everyone had a great lunch!

nursebeeme
06-23-2011, 01:23 PM
bumpity bumpity bump!! back to the top with you trial thread!

mydailyopinions
06-23-2011, 01:29 PM
FBI agent Nick Savage is in the courthouse. But no word on if he'll make it to the stand today. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:23 PM

nursebeeme
06-23-2011, 01:29 PM
door is open.... here we go ((((again)))))

Clearly Confused
06-23-2011, 01:30 PM
Please don't let this be painful!

2goldfish
06-23-2011, 01:30 PM
HHJP appears to have a toothache :( touched a molar and winced.

Insomnia Momma
06-23-2011, 01:30 PM
Posting links!

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:30 PM
wonder if DS got herself together over lunch....I was hoping she would be done before lunch.

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 01:31 PM
My current favorite site to watch the trial is: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/casey-anthony-trial-on-cbs-news

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 01:31 PM
Hopefully DS got someone to explain to her via text message (LKB) or phone call (LKB) about how to ask her questions. I just want this witness over with at this point.....

ami
06-23-2011, 01:31 PM
Can we leave sidebar open until the trial begins, and not just until the cameras come back on to empty doors? pleeeease? :)

Quiche
06-23-2011, 01:31 PM
Heavy sigh...


Ah? Final question!

Insomnia Momma
06-23-2011, 01:32 PM
One final question! YAY!

adb263
06-23-2011, 01:32 PM
ONE final question!!

Kenziema
06-23-2011, 01:32 PM
Final question!!!! Woohoo!

mitzi
06-23-2011, 01:32 PM
FBI agent Nick Savage is in the courthouse. But no word on if he'll make it to the stand today. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:23 PM

Here comes the questions as to why Nick Savage ordered the DNA tested for GA/LA in regards to Caylee's father.

nursebeeme
06-23-2011, 01:32 PM
she's done?

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 01:32 PM
JA up. This should be interesting. :)

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:32 PM
JA objected and then unobjected so he could say fatty acids found on paper towel. And she sits down. JA up.

CementPond
06-23-2011, 01:33 PM
PLEASE let the afternoon be more exciting than the last few days have been. This is getting nuts!!!

Eidetic
06-23-2011, 01:33 PM
HHJP appears to have a toothache :( touched a molar and winced.

Could be the obligation he had to tend to yesterday afternoon which left us with a half day of court. :twocents:

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 01:33 PM
Comic relief from RH:

RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
I nominate myself to play Dr. Wise in the #CaseyAnthony movie. twitpic.com/5fq8gl

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 01:33 PM
ooh boy.

Turnadot
06-23-2011, 01:33 PM
Carrying this over:

Yes, they probably did. However, most of those objections were overruled, and there were not nearly as many sidebars. IMO
Right. Most of Baez's objections were overruled, and less sidebars. Let's not forget that Baez objected to his own question, and asked a detective if he'd asked KC if she'd ever committed suicide.

Most of the State's objections have been sustained and more sidebars have been needed.

Which might lead the jury conclude that...?

I'm curious how this can be spun that it's the State that's giving the jury a bad impression.

The Farm
06-23-2011, 01:33 PM
In Session still commercials!

QueenD
06-23-2011, 01:33 PM
Someone during lunch must have told DS it was a no-win situation and sit down.

OneLostGrl
06-23-2011, 01:33 PM
Posting links!

Clicking thanks is not enough.. I'm always searching for a link. You are the best!!

Quiche
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
I object to Mr. Ashton... :D

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
DS didn’t get up in time to object....”untimely, he already answered"

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
DS tries to object, but has NO IDEA why !!!! Nice try DS....

adb263
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Now we will have the 'OBJECTION---OVERRULED' part of the day!!

Maia
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Oh good...now we can watch a professonal at his craft.

ami
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Witness doesn't know if the length of the carbon chains are the same length in dairy and in adipocere.

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
stevehelling Steve Helling
At lunch, fans of the pretty court clerk took pictures with her at the local pizza joint. Unreal. #CaseyAnthony

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
"Untimely".......LMAO. That's a new one!!

whiteangora
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Witness is looking cocky and defensive already! Love it!

Blue Ridge
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Carbon chains, wow! Go JA!

Tulessa
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Links in siggy.

Ssejors
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
OH WOW!

DCS is terrible at public speaking, she SEEMS terrified and I can BARELY stand listening to her, she's so mousy and timid

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
DS objects AFTER the question was answered.

HHJP: overruled. Untimely.

:floorlaugh:

Yellow Rose
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Does anyone have a clue as to whether the scientific testimony is over and done with after this witness? Anyone seen who the next witness is?

Bittiness39
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Or an inept defense attorney.

I vote for the latter.

ITA! Casey signed off on the opening statement from her Defense Team. Casey refused to take a plea. IMHO, Casey refuses to accept any fault whatsoever in Caylee's demise. "Cindy left the pool ladder up/down. George should have been watching her...(even though Casey had nothing whatsoever of any importance other than ...). George found Caylee lifeless in the pool. Caylee had the nerve to drown herself and ruin her mother's otherwise awesome life (save for the not getting a GED, a real job, a father for her child, paying rent, stealing money from everyone, lying to everyone and well...basically being a potato without all of the fixings)...And she never drove around town for a few days with her daughter's rotting and ripe corpse in her car trunk...this is just all a misunderstanding."

I have to question, not call out, but question anyone who honestly thinks that Casey was NOT the sole and only perpetrator of whatever happened to Caylee...

If Casey was a man...we wouldn't even be debating motives nor family dynamics...this case would be a one and done...JMO.

Quiche
06-23-2011, 01:35 PM
JA has done his homework, clearly.

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 01:35 PM
Is this some type of expert vetting or is JA cross examining?

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:35 PM
JA is so well versed on so many subjects....wow

MaraSleuth
06-23-2011, 01:35 PM
I'm starting to think that River Cruz and Cindy Anthony won't take the stand this afternoon. It may be a "forensic" day.

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 01:35 PM
carbon chains - be still my heart

PlainJaneDoe
06-23-2011, 01:36 PM
Witness doesn't know if the length of the carbon chains are the same length in dairy and in adipocere.

So happy that I tuned in as they were going over this. Finally something I understand! Much better than the "leaf litter" stuff.

adb263
06-23-2011, 01:36 PM
OH WOW!

DCS is terrible at public speaking, she SEEMS terrified and I can BARELY stand listening to her, she's so mousy and timid

Fellow posters have stated that the Mousy and Timid demeanor are just her acting!!

Serjen
06-23-2011, 01:36 PM
UNTIMELY, DS, Learn to think quickly like JA, lol

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 01:36 PM
Is this some type of expert vetting or is JA cross examining?

cross

SCWldneart
06-23-2011, 01:36 PM
Speaking of the shirt Caylee was found wearing, wonder what the odds are it was purchased, either directly or indirectly, by RM. Wasn't that his apt that she is seen wearing it in the pic? Perhaps the purpose of putting her in this shirt was (in a backwards sort of way) sending a message to him.

stilettos
06-23-2011, 01:36 PM
I think I need to go back to sleep...this guy is killing me.:floorlaugh:

RR0004
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
Sorry...is this guy claiming that it was milk or butter on the paper towels?

frogger
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
Now we will have the 'OBJECTION---OVERRULED' part of the day!!

For some reason "Dueling Banjos" has popped into my head....

ami
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
Aha, adjust their protocols - it is ACCEPTABLE. One of the only points defense was able to make with this witness.

Shyla
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
I'm starting to think that River Cruz and Cindy Anthony won't take the stand this afternoon. It may be a "forensic" day.

Makes me want to cry!! Forensics :(

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
There's reports on Twitter that JB was signing autographs at lunch.:banghead::loser:

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
Uh oh...they should adjust protocol if the circumstances are unusual. That's gotta hurt the DT.

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
carbon chains - be still my heart

ditto

katydid23
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
Does anyone have a clue as to whether the scientific testimony is over and done with after this witness? Anyone seen who the next witness is?

There were some tweets posted earlier that Dr Vass and an FBI forensics expert were both in the witness room.

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 01:38 PM
When is a protocol not a protocol?

mitzi
06-23-2011, 01:38 PM
Clicking thanks is not enough.. I'm always searching for a link. You are the best!!

Tulessa too! :)

Eidetic
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
Just look at all of the spectators in the gallery over JA's shoulder, he commands the attention of the room.

ZsaZsa
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
There's reports on Twitter that JB was signing autographs at lunch.:banghead::loser:

Nah, he was probably being served with a summons for non-payment of bills...:loser:

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
anthonycase WOFL
Special agent Nick Savage is in the hallway. He was FBI's lead investigator on #caseyanthony case. #fox35

Shyla
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
There's reports on Twitter that JB was signing autographs at lunch.:banghead::loser:

Never in my life!!! He should be prepping for his next witness cause we all know he isn't prepared.

tfrohning
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
There's reports on Twitter that JB was signing autographs at lunch.:banghead::loser:

who want his autograph:waitasec: I want Aston:crazy:

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
Wow JA made the rope, tied the lasso, and caught him big time.

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
JA going in for the kill on the protocol being changed due to unusual circumstances. Good on ya, JA.

TotallyObsessed
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
There's reports on Twitter that JB was signing autographs at lunch.:banghead::loser:

Do ya think he tells ICA "Stick with me baby, I'll set you free and we will be rich"???? Wonder how she is gonna feel about that when she's locked up for life and he's on the media circuit?

Yellow Rose
06-23-2011, 01:39 PM
Can JA bring up that this man was removed from his position? Is that legal?

PlainJaneDoe
06-23-2011, 01:40 PM
I'm getting a review of how to troubleshoot in the lab. :)

laserdisc10
06-23-2011, 01:40 PM
Witness sounds like a schoolboy brought before the headmaster, imo. Already sounding duly chastened

JenniferTx
06-23-2011, 01:40 PM
I'm starting to think that River Cruz and Cindy Anthony won't take the stand this afternoon. It may be a "forensic" day.

Gonna be a forensic type of day today.

Serjen
06-23-2011, 01:40 PM
Honestly, sometimes I think I'm biased because I am Team SA, but seriously, JA has an AMAZING knack at taking these DT witnesses and truly making them his own, and having them say stuff that supports the State! It's truly something to watch.

Blue Ridge
06-23-2011, 01:40 PM
There were some tweets posted earlier that Dr Vass and an FBI forensics expert were both in the witness room.

At lunch, WESH mentioned computer forensics witnesses were milling around. Maybe after Dr Vass they'll move on to them..

Tipstaff
06-23-2011, 01:40 PM
There's reports on Twitter that JB was signing autographs at lunch.:banghead::loser:


If this is true this is the same attorney that didn't have an opportunity to review the Anthony computer. :banghead:

dog.gone.cute
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
I'm starting to think that River Cruz and Cindy Anthony won't take the stand this afternoon. It may be a "forensic" day.

Yep ... that's what it looks like.

We have been waiting for River to testify since Tuesday and Cindy to testify all day today.

This trial needs "something" ... I am beginning to lose interest ! :innocent:

MissJames
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
well shoot . i wanted the BL's history to come in.

katydid23
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
JA:" And then they ran it again, and reported the results of those tests...Correct?"

Witness: CORRECT

JA: No more questions, thank you.

MaryAnn
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Where is JB? Is he there today?

pjmale
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Did DS just object to JA objecting?

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
objecting to speaking objections....does that mean she doesn’t want him to say the reason out loud ????

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Did DCS actually say I am objecting to speaking objections???

belladonna
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Definition of the word "challenges"...OMG...she needs help!!! What a starke raving difference in her IQ and JA...

ZsaZsa
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Fellow posters have stated that the Mousy and Timid demeanor are just her acting!!

Visit her own website. She seems like an aging flower child/hippy...

TexanMom
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
If this is true this is the same attorney that didn't have an opportunity to review the Anthony computer. :banghead:

It is quite obvious what his priorities are! :banghead:

What'sThatClue
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
DS objecting to 'speaking objections'...huh?

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Do ya think he tells ICA "Stick with me baby, I'll set you free and we will be rich"???? Wonder how she is gonna feel about that when she's locked up for life and he's on the media circuit?

Of course I think about that a lot, but I truly have no idea what the heck he could be telling her. When it comes to JB and ICA, I find that my mind simply is unable to comprehend either of their behavioral processes and I am not entirely certain it would be mentally healthy for me to attempt it to fervently.

:cow:

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
Would a report or lab notes list these protocols? Nobody has addressed that question, have they?

Novice Seeker
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
Objecting to Speaking Objections??:waitasec:

Serjen
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
DS is getting feisty, lol. Did she just object to JA's objections?

sorrell skye
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
Is it me, or does it seem as if DS is attacking her own witness?

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
Newsflash...

DCS would like to remove the word objection from the SA allowable terms.

octobermoon
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
:blowkiss: JA

reeseeva
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
I truly believe that Jeff A., is assisted by "Divine Intervention"

ZsaZsa
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
Where is JB? Is he there today?

According to a previous post he might be outside with his fans,signing autographs.. :floorlaugh:

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
question --- objection --- sustained
question --- objection -- sustained

I guess DS is back up

ohiogirl
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
Ofgs!

MissJames
06-23-2011, 01:42 PM
Why didn't the DT get someone qualified to testify? Hmmmmm?

turkygurl
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
For some reason "Dueling Banjos" has popped into my head....

Funny, I have the "send in the clowns" song from the circus. :partyguy:

Serjen
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
Why didn't JA point out that Dr. Logan had to resign? Bill S said he was sure JA would bring it up.

OneLostGrl
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h13/OneLostGrl/Caylee/eyebrows.jpg

Her eyebrows grew back!

(I hope this is allowed here, if not let me know and I'll move it)

Mare10
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
ut oh, Logan is in trouble now!

ami
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
I would be peeing right now if I were Logan.

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
I am all for JA, but I wish he would just calm down a little bit. He is going to go overboard here.......

mitzi
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaand...we are back at the Frye Hearings...Dottie just threw up her hands as HHJP AGAIN sustained JA's objection. :)

Jetaime
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
<3 <3 <3 JA!!!!!!!
Sorry, SOTS! :blush:

Quiche
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
The cans!!!

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
Bad move, Dr. Logan.

momtective
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
Bring it on JA! Bring it on!

sorrell skye
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
Ouch - JA is losing his temper!

As an unofficial *mock juror* this does NOT look good when JA slams the cans down & raises his voice to the witness. IMO, it's unprofessional.

Just sayin'.

Shyla
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
Slam them cans down JA!! I love it!

wenwe4
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
DS w/Dr. Logan - 4 fatty acids can be found in food, biologic, and others in this case - can you tell me where those were found? on a papertowel

JA = your testimony these 4 fatty acids occur in combination oleic, palmetic, mysteric, ....found in oily vegetable like in palm oil...and in decomposing animal fat (object=overrule - he has answered questiong - untimely

milk cheese and butter fat same in adipocere? same fatty acids.....four fatty acids in both and additional carbon chains in milk, cheese and butter - 10 carbons....

carbon in steric- 18
plametic - 14
16?

dairy products = other fatty acids with 6 - 20 compounds carbon

other carbons in milk cheese and butter not found in adiopocere? yes if other compounds aretested for...

no special challenges on Gcms - can happen with any kind of evidence - particularly forensic samples - rarely pure - always problems

standard methodology likely to have fewer challenges - scientist do when faced with challenges that are not in protocol...develop new protocols....acceptable scientific procedure? yes

general principle published in forensic science journals.....steps and procedure not published? Journal of Forensic science does not give step by step process...collect sample, triple sorbent traps....run thru gcms - ...those are published yes


room air contaminents in ambient air - example of a blank - what should scientist do when blank shows unexpected results- investigate to ensure instrumentation,...stop what doing, figure problem, correct it and run it again? yes!

human error forget close a valve - proper procedure stop correct and start over - yes.


that precisely what was done when these challenges were faced....problem was diagnosed...notes from Dr. Vass why failed noted, corrected ran again, reported results....yes...

no further questions

Re-direct
DS w/Barry Logan

asked about challenges - what does that mean? unusual or unexpected about the sample being tested...what eaffect do challenges have on reliablity? object to reliablity in abstract DS object to JA.... HHBP - object (JA) sustain

how to collect air in trunk car - carpet samples - how much carpet how thick - published protocols on how to collect carpet on trunk of a car...what significance does that have in this case? outside expertise - sustain

all materials you have - can you reproduce exactly this experiment by Dr. Vass? NO - a lot of detail missing.....extablity of test.....no way to know if way I did test was same way Oakrdige did the test

JA- your lab couldn't do the carpet samples if you wanted to? we would be able to do that test...alright - show cans.....have you ever seen any of those? NO if you would have been sent any of those would you have tested? Objection! sidebar!

ohiogirl
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
JA is a little pi22ed.

Tulessa
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
I love the Forensics. I think it will make or break this case.

kantoo
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
hahahahaha...the look on this poor witness's face

"why me, Lord?"

Wise Old Owl
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
OMG - the cans!!!

JA: "Have you ever see any one of those?"

No.

JA: "If you did, would you have been able to test it?"


OBJECTION!

Sidebar

OneLostGrl
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
Why didn't the DT get someone qualified to testify? Hmmmmm?

And someone qualified to question 'em..

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
Point for JA! Once again, DT didn't bother to have things tested by their "Experts", even though they could easily have done so had they wanted -- but you don't want another lab verifying the Pros.' experts, now do you?

JSR
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
I soooo puffy heart JA. Although some see it as a downfall I adore JA's fire and passion. He clearly adores his job and fights like hell for Caylee.

QueenD
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
Witness is scrunching head when JA is getting evidence out. LOL

Like WTH is he about to do.

mitzi
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
JA puts all the cans with the carpet samples in them right in front of Logan! I LOVE JA!

Mosby
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
Finally someone asking one of these DT "experts" why they did not test anything.

Serjen
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
GO JA! If your lab could do it, then why didn't Defense ask you to do these tests? HA!

joypath
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
Would a report or lab notes list these protocols? Nobody has addressed that question, have they?



LKB traditionally asks for reports, bench notes & Procedure & protocol manuals ALONG with all the data from any accreditation site surveys & good ole CVs with academic transcripts!....and she was "in charge" of the scientific "stuff" before DCS

liltexans
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
No. Only days he is called to testify. “@melrocka: @CFNews13Casey has Lee Anthony been at the court watching at all?”

by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:44

summerthyme
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
Maybe I need an intervention, but I am laughing myself silly over JA slamming those cans down. :great:

Carolina Girl
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
Go ahead Logan, open a can to see if you could have tested it!

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
Please check on the canned goods display on aisle 3! It's getting hot.


16941

tehcloser
06-23-2011, 01:45 PM
JA getting pretty red faced.......he needs to watch his blood pressure!!!!!

Mystic
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Bring it on JA! Bring it on!

I love JA's passion :great:

FaerieB
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
I love the Forensics. I think it will make or break this case.

I love forensics, too. I would appreciate it a WHOLE bunch more if the DT had just one witness that the SA couldn't decimate in 2.2. :twocents:

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
.....and if I was him, I would be BEYOND frustrated with this whole DT and their lawyering skills in general and their waste of time and nonsense with this witness asking totally unallowable questions......but I don't want to see him blow-up over it.

NSS
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Can jurors be excused for giggling during testimony?


I would surely be busting a gut about now.

(I may use that as a reason to escape jury service.)

Dragonlady
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
OMG this witness is looking at JA with fear in his eyes, I can almost imagine his thoughts "oh *hit what is he going to ask me next!" :floorlaugh:

wenwe4
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
(I swear I could hear TAPS playing in the background!)

Tipstaff
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
hahahahaha...the look on this poor witness's face

"why me, Lord?"

Looking like another witness saying 'how did I ever get associated with this case" 'why, why, why'.

EGirl
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
That's what you call a can of whoop azz. LITERALLY. :)

PlainJaneDoe
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
In every study I've done, I have been in contact with the authors if there is a previous study and I want to replicate part or all of it very precisely. That's not a weakness in the publication.

Ssejors
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Why didn't the DT get someone qualified to testify? Hmmmmm?

MISS JAMES?!?!

Like who?

You ask that question as though there is someone out there who is QUALIFIED to rebut the states EXPERTS... But i dont think there IS ANYONE who is Qualified to rebut the evidence who DOES disagree with the STATE, and there is no one QUALIFIED TO TESTIFY who DOES Disgree....

Are you following me on this?

Oakley
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Old tweet but maybe not all saw this:

PamelaLeeShow Pamela Lee
#caseyanthony Anthony family denies report that said they think Casey is guilty. Geo & Cindy attorney to hold a presser today

QueenD
06-23-2011, 01:47 PM
Finally someone asking one of these DT "experts" why they did not test anything.

I want to hear the answer.

Cause we were not ask to.

shelbar53
06-23-2011, 01:47 PM
Days and days of decomp smell. Just smell the can ...what will it take 5 minutes, mystery solved.

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 01:47 PM
ah. Here would be that iorny I spoke of earlier

pjmale
06-23-2011, 01:47 PM
Will he open the cans?

newsjunkie
06-23-2011, 01:47 PM
Maybe I need an intervention, but I am laughing myself silly over JA slamming those cans down. :great:

Nah, no intervention. Otherwise, quite a few of us would need one too! :great:

SCWldneart
06-23-2011, 01:47 PM
JB obviously understands the importance of EXPERIENCE.....he just thinks it doesn't apply to him.

mitzi
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
OMG - the cans!!!

JA: "Have you ever see any one of those?"

No.

JA: "If you did, would you have been able to test it?"


OBJECTION!

Sidebar

And even tho the cans are sealed and don't smell right now...Logan has to just sit there during the entire length of sidebar! LOLOL

scout35
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
(I swear I could hear TAPS playing in the background!)



:rocker: Love that quote!

LyndyLoo
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
I am all for JA, but I wish he would just calm down a little bit. He is going to go overboard here.......

you now, I really dont blame JA for being upset and miffed with this non-expert testifying that whatever the lab results came up with were wrong...why? because he didnt have step by step instructions on how to replicate it...

Next he says his lab could have analysed the air samples..so yeah...JA is showing this Dr. Logan all the pieces of evidence that could have been tested by his lab...and asked why didnt he test them??..

I really dont blame JA!!

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Point for JA! Once again, DT didn't bother to have things tested by their "Experts", even though they could easily have done so had they wanted -- but you don't want another lab verifying the Pros.' experts, now do you?

Exactly, they did not want to get the results of many items, as they would condemn their client, so they did not get things tested.

RR0004
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
OMG - the cans!!!

JA: "Have you ever see any one of those?"

No.

JA: "If you did, would you have been able to test it?"


OBJECTION!

Sidebar
Seems like a valid question, yes?

JSR
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
The DT is TERRIFIED of those cans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TERRIFIED!!!!!!!!!

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Defining challenges.

Relation to reliability? Objection, objection to objection, sustained

Published protocols about carpet sample collection? None

What significance does that have in this case? Objection: outside expertise. sustained

Can you reproduce exactly this experiment? No, because details missing and he wouldn't know if he did the experiment the same way.

Recross: Your lab couldn't do this test if you wanted to?
Correct.

State's exhibits in evidence: have you ever seen any of them? no
Could you test them?

Sidebar
----
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IMO it's rather unlikely that there'll ever be a complete manual about how to collect all kinds of samples in all kinds of forensic situations. Can you imagine how thick that book would be? And then there'd be a page missing and nobody could figure out how to collect samples from a plastic toy car sitting near a refrigerator and an oven with food in it, with signs of having been chewed by a dog, and with suspicious stains on it which could be either paint or blood or both.

Dragonlady
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Old tweet but maybe not all saw this:

PamelaLeeShow Pamela Lee
#caseyanthony Anthony family denies report that said they think Casey is guilty. Geo & Cindy attorney to hold a presser today
I called this earlier, I knew CA would have a fit, I bet she will fire him soon.

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 01:49 PM
16942

16943

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:49 PM
JA is so sharp he can just play with some of these witnesses but he is passionate because he knows a sweet little Caylee needs justice.

trigger
06-23-2011, 01:49 PM
WOW Fireworks. JA exploded.


:fireworks:

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 01:49 PM
UNTIMELY, DS, Learn to think quickly like JA, lol

JA doesn't even think quickly....it seems he pre-thinks.....he knows his stuff so well he KNOWS what's coming next and next and next. He's more than a couple steps ahead in his mind. I'm really glad he's on the Prosecution side of this case.

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:49 PM
LMAO...did JA dent one of the cans?

Serjen
06-23-2011, 01:49 PM
I love when JA gets all riled up, especially since he's RIGHT. Reminds me of a good court drama on tv, lol

RR0004
06-23-2011, 01:49 PM
Sooooo...milk and butter appear as decomposition?

beachgal58
06-23-2011, 01:49 PM
Ouch - JA is losing his temper!

As an unofficial *mock juror* this does NOT look good when JA slams the cans down & raises his voice to the witness. IMO, it's unprofessional.

Just sayin'.

Why? I think its hysterical really.

NavySubMom
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
JA getting pretty red faced.......he needs to watch his blood pressure!!!!!

I think he needs a SPECIAL BREAK!!

21merc7
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
Jury being sent out

wenwe4
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
PopTARTing Jurors

imawitch
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
LMAO...did JA dent one of the cans?

get out of my head lol
I was just wondering the same thing, lol

Carolina Girl
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
ICA looks like she is about to lose her lunch.

JSR
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
I called this earlier, I knew CA would have a fit, I bet she will fire him soon.

I'm sure that will be next. I don't doubt for a moment it's true and that CA doesn't think she's innocent any longer but it's another thing altogether to admit it publicly. CA is making baby steps and on her own time she might be able to admit it publicly, on her own terms.

Serjen
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
Oh now, sending the jury out. Right when it got good!

nursebeeme
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
jury is leaving the room!

BetteDavisEyes
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
Casey looks pretty in pink.

Wise Old Owl
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
And even tho the cans are sealed and don't smell right now...Logan has to just sit there during the entire length of sidebar! LOLOL
Yep - sitting there looking at 'em.

Rut ro - Jury being removed. Jeeze

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 01:50 PM
KC enjoying some text time!

QueenD
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
Freak here we go. A brief legal matter.

Mosby
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
I want to hear the answer.

Cause we were not ask to.

ABSOLUTELY. It's the let's just criticize someone else's testing but not do our own because ..... we will probably get the same results defense! If I were a juror I'd certainly be wondering why, in 3 years time, the DT did NO independent testing.

TotallyObsessed
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
We now interrupt this proceeding at this regularly scheduled time so that JA can now beat down DS.

BigFatMommyDog
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmQ6VTOGACPUGN_V46h0sykgcaDX1Xo 0fc06F_tNGUX-mvNOQtwg

Broderick
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
Casey looks pretty in pink.

Had a weird crush on Molly years ago.. Well decades ago. haha.

whiteangora
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
Go ahead Logan, open a can to see if you could have tested it!
Do you want him to fall off his chair from the stench?

Kenziema
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
I love watching JB squirm.

Sleuth5
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
I keep saying this, but...:deadhorse:

The jury has already made their minds up about this. I am convinced they cannot be convinced that the body was not in the car. End of line.

:cow:

liltexans
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
Judge tells jury need to discuss legal matters outside their presence. They're taken out of room. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:51 PM

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
And even tho the cans are sealed and don't smell right now...Logan has to just sit there during the entire length of sidebar! LOLOL

pointedly avoiding facing them from what I saw. ....loving this

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
get out of my head lol
I was just wondering the same thing, lol

it did look like one had a dent, didn't it? :floorlaugh:

TotallyObsessed
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
Wonder if this will have to do with the "burden shifting" matter?

wvjules
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
16942

16943

Wouldn't ICA be to the right of LDB in that picture?

gamom
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
KC looks scared!!! She is SCARED TO SMELL THAT SMELL AGAIN!! Open the cans!

Miziree
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
Visit her own website. She seems like an aging flower child/hippy...

Quote from her site:

In some cases, with proper notice, she is available to instant message suggested questions to lead counsel as he or she conducts the cross examination in real time while Dorothy listens to the testimony of the defense expert.

I posted this because people have noticed and asked why Baez keeps getting texts while questioning or even talking with the judge...

KenoshaKid
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
Will he open the cans?

Have a whiff of Jiff, Dr. Logan. :innocent:

ami
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
In every study I've done, I have been in contact with the authors if there is a previous study and I want to replicate part or all of it very precisely. That's not a weakness in the publication.

It's true. Unless their paper is specifically a methods paper (one that describes a new method) or they haven't done anything beyond well-referenced methods, there's almost always something summarized for brevity that could be further explained. And actually I've even had to contact authors of methods papers come to think of it. It's rare and perhaps impossible to get a complete 'users manual' in a publication.

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
Do you want him to fall off his chair from the stench?

I vote "yes". :)

newsjunkie
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
Oh now, sending the jury out. Right when it got good!

So glad we are not on the jury. . .we get to stay. :woohoo:

Nana46
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
FGS my Aunt Fanny....get on with it.:banghead:

Serjen
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
Ouch - JA is losing his temper!

As an unofficial *mock juror* this does NOT look good when JA slams the cans down & raises his voice to the witness. IMO, it's unprofessional.

Just sayin'.

Really? I totally disagree. I think the jury gets tired of being bored out of their minds and the passion JA shows is even just a bit of excitement in mundane days. If I was on the jury, and the State was fighting for justice for a 2 year old murdered child who was thrown out like trash, I'd EXPECT AND HOPE to see this type of passion! Do people want them to speak in monotone voices and pet all the witnesses heads? Go get 'em JA :great:

Mosby
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
I keep saying this, but...:deadhorse:

The jury has already made their minds up about this. I am convinced they cannot be convinced that the body was not in the car. End of line.

:cow:

I totally agree.

tehcloser
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
Too bad the lid didn't come off the can when it was slammed............

sorrell skye
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
Witness is scrunching head when JA is getting evidence out. LOL

Like WTH is he about to do.

I half-expected JA to pitch the cans at the witness in a fit of rage.

Not good.

JA needs to keep his cool and behave like the professional that he is. A perceived violent demeanor on the part of a prosecutor may alienate a juror or two.

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
Ugh commercials. The guy with Bill S was asking 'is there any chance at all....<commercial>'. Anyone hear the end of the question? Was it about opening the cans in court?

mombomb
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
wonder if this will have to do with the "burden shifting" matter?

me too

camcneishg
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
I thought that I read LDB lips to say "opening the cans", right before she hurried up to side bar.....

AnotherGladysKravitz
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmQ6VTOGACPUGN_V46h0sykgcaDX1Xo 0fc06F_tNGUX-mvNOQtwg

Someone HATES these cans!!

21merc7
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
Someone want to tell me what is going on with the cans?

Did the DT expert not test them, is that what has JA so riled up?

KC looks scared.

QueenD
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
JA busy looking something up on his computer. I am sure he will prove his point.

azscr4mbl3r
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
Would a report or lab notes list these protocols? Nobody has addressed that question, have they?

My take is this. The oak ridge boyz would like to make a machine to find IE bodies in a collapsed building QUICKLY. or grave sites IE mass graves. the air samples and carpet samples get intentionally or unintentionally mixed up. They are trying to confuse people. The dogs the parents the cops the tow truck guy.on and on all smelled decomp in the trunk..... this is more of a vendetta than anything useful IMHO... or a distinction without a difference ....:banghead:

TotallyObsessed
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
I don't think Ms. Antony is having too much fun today.

fla*mom
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
I soooo puffy heart JA. Although some see it as a downfall I adore JA's fire and passion. He clearly adores his job and fights like hell for Caylee.

Someone has to have fire and passion, the DT sure does not have it for putting on even a luke warm attitude in getting ICA a fair trial.

ladynana
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
Yep - sitting there looking at 'em.

Rut ro - Jury being removed. Jeeze

Were I on the jury, all this fuss would ensure we would be opening these cans during deliberations....imho

Mountain_Kat
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmQ6VTOGACPUGN_V46h0sykgcaDX1Xo 0fc06F_tNGUX-mvNOQtwg

:floorlaugh:

Ssejors
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:and9gcrmq6vtogacpugn_v46h0sykgcadx1xo 0fc06f_tngux-mvnoqtwg

omgomgomgomg!


Pfffffffffffffttttt


lololololol awesome!!

Thanks!

RR0004
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
Wouldn't ICA be to the right of LDB in that picture?
I'm so confused who sits where.

liltexans
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Logan never saw the evidence from trunk and state says his lab would not be able to test it if he had gotten it
1 minute ago

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
FBI special agent Nick Savage is waiting in wings upstairs.. State is taking on Logan's expertise ina big way..
3 minutes ago

ecs5298
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmQ6VTOGACPUGN_V46h0sykgcaDX1Xo 0fc06F_tNGUX-mvNOQtwg

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::f loorlaugh:

**ecs wonders how many will get the joke?**

BetteDavisEyes
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
If I were on the jury, I'd want to smell the contents of the can.

Carolina Girl
06-23-2011, 01:54 PM
Do you want him to fall off his chair from the stench?

Okay, but seriously, how does he know if he could test what is inside a sealed can?

thumbtack
06-23-2011, 01:55 PM
Wonder if this will have to do with the "burden shifting" matter?

What is the "burden shifting" matter?

mitzi
06-23-2011, 01:55 PM
Old tweet but maybe not all saw this:

PamelaLeeShow Pamela Lee
#caseyanthony Anthony family denies report that said they think Casey is guilty. Geo & Cindy attorney to hold a presser today

Backpeddling 101-CA Style

sleutherontheside
06-23-2011, 01:55 PM
CM: For the love of everything holy woman, get me the he77 out of here!

16944

smeck
06-23-2011, 01:55 PM
Casey looks pretty in pink.

I prefer her in orange or black and white stripes with silver bracelets, and anklets!

PlainJaneDoe
06-23-2011, 01:55 PM
JA needs an iPad so that he can have scanned copies of all the cases with him at all times. :)

Rapunzel
06-23-2011, 01:55 PM
Too bad one of those lids didn't pop off.

JSR
06-23-2011, 01:56 PM
Westlaw or Lexis don't fail JA now!!!! I'm a lexis girl myself.

celticthyme
06-23-2011, 01:56 PM
I want to hear the answer.

Cause we were not ask to.
EXACTLY! Just what I was going to say. These experts only do what they are asked to do. Therefor, defense doesn't their own "evidence" to refute that of the State. They think they can get some poor 'expert' person up there, and it ain't workin'. Mostly because JA is always at least 5 steps ahead of these folks. Frankly, I usually end up feeling story for these witnesses, they have not been prepared by Baaaaez, and definitely aren't prepared for JA.

wenwe4
06-23-2011, 01:56 PM
JA looking up caselaw- Oberton vs. State ...801 South2nd 877 2001....HHBP gives caselaw to look up...GA sitting in back row - people watching those who enter the court...Kc looking down reading something (in her lap?)

TortillaChip
06-23-2011, 01:56 PM
Paralegal ICA will now look that case up for you JB!!!

Quiche
06-23-2011, 01:56 PM
Is JA trying to get the can opened on this witness? Do we know?

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Too bad the lid didn't come off the can when it was slammed............

OMG. The Defense team would've been up screaming 'mistrial' in unison.

mitzi
06-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Are the cans still sitting in front of Logan?....CNN doesn't show him.

pinkfly
06-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Bill S worried that if they open the cans there will be no proof left if we need a second trial. How many cans of stink were saved?

fifteen89
06-23-2011, 01:57 PM
What's Casey burying her head in? A new romance novel?

pjmale
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
are the cans still sitting in front of logan?....cnn doesn't show him.

yes!!!

ami
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
The good thing about Jim Lichtenstein (twitterer in the court room) is that he'll respond to your questions pretty quickly about stuff happening in court.

KenoshaKid
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
Westlaw or Lexis don't fail JA now!!!! I'm a lexis girl myself.

Can't have Lexis without Nexis! :)

MissJames
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
MISS JAMES?!?!

Like who?

You ask that question as though there is someone out there who is QUALIFIED to rebut the states EXPERTS... But i dont think there IS ANYONE who is Qualified to rebut the evidence who DOES disagree with the STATE, and there is no one QUALIFIED TO TESTIFY who DOES Disgree....

Are you following me on this?

It was rhetorical :floorlaugh: I know why!

The only person even willing comes with no credibility,due to his history and is not even qualified to discuss the DT's point.

Linda7NJ
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
Are the cans still sitting in front of Logan?....CNN doesn't show him.


yep.....cans of death....as NG likes to call em

Quiche
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
There are several cans of stink, iirc.

Mosby
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
Bill S worried that if they open the cans there will be no proof left if we need a second trial. How many cans of stink were saved?

I think 2.

smeck
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
I would love to see Logan just get up from his seat and leave the courtroom---not while the jury is there though---don't want a mistrial!

mitzi
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
Ut Oh...CNN now showing Logan...now he is beginning to grow the 'head-horns'!

MaryAnn
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
I love watching JB squirm.


He is squiming big time. He'll probably blame DS if ICA gets convicted. Poor woman! She seems to nice to be part of the DT

Curious Me
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
What's ICA doing looking down at her lap so much?

wvjules
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Bill S worried that if they open the cans there will be no proof left if we need a second trial. How many cans of stink were saved?

I think once they're resealed the stench emitting from the samples will re-stink up the cans if a re-trial is needed.

stilettos
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
I half-expected JA to pitch the cans at the witness in a fit of rage.

Not good.

JA needs to keep his cool and behave like the professional that he is. A perceived violent demeanor on the part of a prosecutor may alienate a juror or two.

HaHa...I would help him...it might clear the "air" so to speak...:banghead:

coloradoteacher
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Is this really about opening the cans or something else? I can't imagine this is how the SA would want to introduce this evidence...

Carolina Girl
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Cans still sitting there..four cans of carpet sample is my understanding. only one tested.

PlainJaneDoe
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Bill S worried that if they open the cans there will be no proof left if we need a second trial. How many cans of stink were saved?

Stink...stank...stunk!:santahat:

Donjeta
06-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Anyway, even if he could reproduce everything from the experiment with the same equipment, with the same settings, etc., the samples wouldn't be the same any more. It's been three years and chloroform is a volatile substance.