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BiancaS
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
We are all getting stressed out over this. Bottom line, karma will take care of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE. I've been around long enough to have seen it time and time again. Rest assured, this case is no different. Caylee will have justice.
Quiche
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
All right now, we're getting to the truth of the matter. Jurors know about grief in general.
NocturnalLady
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
Another casualty of ICA, Jesse Grund lost his job as LE with OCSO because he lied regarding ICA.
No he didn't. He quit before he made it through training I think. He realized it just wasn't the job for him.
ButForFortune
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
Another casualty of ICA, Jesse Grund lost his job as LE with OCSO because he lied regarding ICA.
Oops! This is NOT correct - Jesse leaving OCSO had nothing to do with ICA. That was Tony Rusciano, a different boyfriend.
Sedona722
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
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I don't know what you said, but ITA!!!!
ETA But, I think is is exactly what I am thinking!!
allycat1208
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
Why was JA angry before?
luckyme
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
what grief does casey have? none for caylee or her family! moo
sleutherontheside
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
OMG.....HHJP just looked like George Jefferson shaking his head!
Chiquita71
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
I am like seriously shaking I am so angry at Baez right now.
Unbelievable.
You and me both MsFacetious
:banghead:
FaerieB
06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
VinniePolitan Vinnie Politan
Roy Kronk told to be back in court tomorrow morning! #CaseyAnthony #HLN
Blue Ridge
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
HHJP said POPTARTS :D
Perry is aggravated (just like us)
pinkfly
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
tomorrow is pop tart day so I guess this means we are proffering her in the morning.
Hopeful One
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
HHJP: In and out like Pop Tarts tomorrow.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Wholehearted
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
JB's smirk just made me so pissed. UGH!
JustMeDeb
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
Oh I would love to have the patience of HJBP
Nali87
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
UGH. Another chance for JB. Another one! ANOTHER ONE!? *Kicks door, slams door, opens door and slams it again!*
Eidetic
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
HJBP: "I guess we'll go in and out like Poptarts tomorrow dealing with this."
GetSmart
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
Loving the Ashton cam :)
ooo link please
KPSumms
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
Pop Tarts!!!
liltexans
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
Judge says he guesses the jury will be like "pop tarts" tomorrow and go in and out. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:15 PM
The 2 guards just testified how pleasant Casey is in protective custody. @ExPatExLawyer
by jimlichtenstein via twitter at 4:14 PM
"The best thing I can do is listen to the testimony"
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 4:14 PM
#jessegrund says #leeanthony made him feel uncomfortable "I believed Casey and wanted nothing to do with him."
by abcashleigh via twitter at 4:14 PM
MaryAnn
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
How cute. we will be in and out like pop tarts. JP is adorable
Judge says he guesses the jury will be like "pop tarts" tomorrow and go in and out
Softail
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
CJBP - We will have to be pop-tarts tomorrow!
Dragonlady
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
I hate that smirk on JB's face, he is being sneaky and mean.
JustMeDeb
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
Anybody just see the look ICA just gave HJBP? Wow
tragco
06-28-2011, 05:15 PM
This grief expert was scheduled to testify tomorrow. HHJP saying the jury already knows about death and grieving, and no need for expert testimony on the issue of grief. However, he might allow certain things.. says best he can do is listen to the testimony and do the proffer so guesses they will go in and out like poptarts tomorrow.
pinkfly
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
what is this about discrepancies in testimony
Mohabi
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
UGH. Another chance for JB. Another one! ANOTHER ONE!? *Kicks door, slams door, opens door and slams it again!*
Now don't you wish JB's face were between the door and the doorframe?
Shelby1
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
VinniePolitan (http://twitter.com/#%21/VinniePolitan) Vinnie Politan
Roy Kronk told to be back in court tomorrow morning! #CaseyAnthony (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23CaseyAnthony) #HLN (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23HLN)
liltexans
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
"I guess we'll go in and out like Pop Tarts tomorrow dealing with this."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 4:15 PM
MAL954
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
hmmm
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID1168/images/Casey_with_Brother_Lee.jpg
GiantPickle
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
ICA steady scribbling
Quiche
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
Gave the defense my cheat sheet on how to do it...
jon_burrows
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
JBP-They're going to be poptarts tomorrow. :p
missm
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
I would literally have jumped over the table, grabbed JB with my bare hands, and have throttled him within an inch of his life.
JA gets the GOLD medal for self-control today.
OMG!OMG!OMG!
I swear, if I had the extra bucks, I would be sending them each a large bottle of scotch tonight.
marie-chantal
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
If I say how I feel about JB's actions right now, I will end up getting banned for life. I'm so annoyed with him right now. I really salute the state, the judge, and the court reporters for being able to sit in there during his latest shenanigans. I wouldn't have been able to contain myself.
luckyme
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
VinniePolitan Vinnie Politan
Roy Kronk told to be back in court tomorrow morning! #CaseyAnthony #HLN
They gonna try to find some big dirt on him tonight!!!
liltexans
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
"We will see tomorrow what the testimony will be."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 4:16 PM
Lawyers are arguing about defense grief expert expected tomorrow in #caseyanthony . Could be a proffer again.
by abcashleigh via twitter at 4:16 PM
Justin Tyme
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
Looks like were having poptarts tomorrow. Better brew our coffee early.
pinkfly
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
how many more witnesses after grief counselor? CM says about a half dozen
Chiquita71
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
We are all getting stressed out over this. Bottom line, karma will take care of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE. I've been around long enough to have seen it time and time again. Rest assured, this case is no different. Caylee will have justice.
:tyou: Bianca :blowkiss:
My husband keeps saying the same thing. I am very wrapped up in this and I hate the idea that good innocent people are being lied ABOUT. The lies! I cannot stand the lies...but I must believe what you say is true. It has to be true.
:cow:
How many more witnesses after grief counselor? half a dozen
SmoothOperator
06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
Am I understanding that JP seems to be siding with the DT?
rosepetal1065
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Oops! This is NOT correct - Jesse leaving OCSO had nothing to do with ICA. That was Tony Rusciano, a different boyfriend.
Good grief..another boyfriend....sitting on hands now..
Wholehearted
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
6 more. I wonder who they are, but then again, they just don't have anyone significant.
MsFacetious
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
6 more witnesses after this person??? Really???
liltexans
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Mason says there are about 6 witnesses left.
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 4:16 PM
sleutherontheside
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
HHJP has already instructed them how to get testimony from the day.
Dragonlady
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
OMG HHJP talking about ICA possibly taking the stand!
Nali87
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
SO IT'S THE PROSECUTION DUTY TO PRESENT EVERYTHING TO THE DEFENSE (FBI VIDEO, ETC) BUT THE DEFENSE DOESN'T NEED TO? I'm done. I'm sick of JB. I hope that after this trial I never have to see his face again.
SuziQ
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Hey SuziQ...
I do not think that J Grund lost his job because he lied about ICA. I believe that you are thinking about another person. I will find who that was and get back to you.
I think that I am right but could be wrong.
I take it back, He lost his job during the 31 days that Caylee was missing.
I stand corrected!
Chiquita71
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
No way. Six more witnesses? Come on!
Softail
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
CM say 1/2 dozen more witnesses.
pinkfly
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
HHBP will enquire of the defendant if it is her decision and her decision alone to testify or not testify
Dr.Fessel
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i257/nikkinoodle3/poptart.jpg
rose222
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
I don't think Casey will take the stand.
dog.gone.cute
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
WHOA ............... did I just see a HEAD NOD from ICA ? when JP said about inmate taking stand ???
Horace Finklestein
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
not going to be done tomorrow i guess
Boytwnmom
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Ohhh...her decision and her decision alone...methinks HHJP might not trust JB too much on that score....
PMLsmom
06-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Oohhh, she DOES want to testify. JB just said that he would have to question her!
Wholehearted
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Wait, "her decision and her decision alone" about what?
angelmom
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
6 more witnesses!
Wonder who.
ICA's decision to testify or not is "Her decision and her decision alone."
WOW! Maybe that's what triggered the competency hearing.
sleutherontheside
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
OMG......there have 6 more witnesses?
GetSmart
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Her decision and her decision ALONE ...go JP
mimmy03
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
interesting... did you hear JP's statement about ICA decision whether or not to testify will be her decision and her decision alone?
ETA: i take this as she wants to testify and her attorneys don't want that.
Darla
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Ooooh - I bet ICA liked hearing she gets to testify if she wants.
BigFatMommyDog
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
And then HHJP will enquire of ICA whether her decision to not to testify is hers and hers alone.
CANNOT WAIT
liltexans
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Perry says he wants to make sure whatever the decision is (testify or not) it's her decision. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:17 PM
Defense announces it has at least 7 more witnesses. #caseyanthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 4:17 PM
Mason says there is about 6 more witnesses after grief doctor. Then Perry will talk with #CaseyAnthony about testifying. #CaseyAnthony ...
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 4:17 PM
Leila
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Hey SuziQ...
I do not think that J Grund lost his job because he lied about ICA. I believe that you are thinking about another person. I will find who that was and get back to you.
I think that I am right but could be wrong.
It was a deputy named Tony Russiano (spelling) who had an intimate relationship with KC, who lost his job.
Jesse wasn't fired. He quit the police force after about 6 months saying he wasn't cut out to be a deputy. If I recall correctly, he said something about getting too emotionally involved. I believe he moved to Georgia where he has a brother, to go to school there.
JBounds
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
So Casey make take stand after all. Interesting...
BetteDavisEyes
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Complete silence after HHJP says that he will ask Ms. Anthony if her choice to not testify is her decision and hers alone.
Finnell's argument will be for the record.
coloradoteacher
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
ICA shakes her head affirmatively when JP talks about asking if it is the defendant's decision not to testify and hers alone. What do you guys read into this?
pipkins
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
did I hear that correct? Does Casey want to testify?
Elley Mae
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Honestly at this time I think Baez knows he is in big dog do-do trouble after this trial. And at the time he doesn't care what he does to make anyone made or upset. He is getting time in the clock for DP case and Casey is out of jail one more day.
Oakley
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Whoa!
Listen to JB complain!
Sounds like he's accusing JA of everything he (JB) has been doing!!!
Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pinkfly
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
AF will argue her motion by phone tomorrow ....open to anyone who has a pair of ears.
TakingALook
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Maybe ICA did tell JG that...She never told the truth anyway.. She didn't want Lee and JG to become friends, cause all her lies about her life would unravel. I don't see where any of her family met any of her friends.
And I have always felt that LA knows who the 'father' IS. Maybe, ICA didn't want LA and JG to get close because LA might tell some of her secrets/lies???? After all, ICA tried to get JG to believe that he was the father to begin with.
rosepetal1065
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
So it seems there was an issue, with ICA perhaps wanted to testify..and DT not wanting her too......
Jstc4caylee
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
"her decision, and her decision alone." ICA nod's her head yes...
Juliana
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
CA busy working on homework so she can go out tonight. LOL
ButForFortune
06-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Thanks for clarifying the police agency. But Jesse did lose his job with OPD because of ICA. He has some other issues with them. But ICA was the final straw.
Trust us. ICA had NOTHING to do with Jesse and his leaving the police force.
mombomb
06-28-2011, 05:19 PM
SIDEBAR #7 (4:49-4:59)
PROFFER OB JG BY JB:
He was engage to ICA. He had a conversation with her shortly after Caylee was born regarding LA.
He felt uncomfortable with LA when he first met him - LA was very sullen, quiet and standoffish and he wanted to know why.
ICA said she did not want Caylee around LA.
She told him that at one point in recent years that she woke up to find LA staring at her and another point she woke up to him groping her.
He had no interest in furthering the conversation. If ICA told him that, he believed her and took it as fact. He believes he told that was all he really needed to hear.
No questions by the State.
Witness excused at 5:01
HHJBP: So the Court will have the Defense's theory correct, the State is objecting on the basis of HEARSAY?
JA: Yes, specifically excludes an after the fact memory or belief. The entire matter is hearsay and not relevant as it happened in 2006.
JB: We may have further argument in the morning. We would like to have the evening to review it.
HHJBP: The research I had previously done indicates this is not admissible under the state of mind hearsay exception rule. I will look again tonight. I invite both sides to present what they have.
Also, AF wants to make the DP motion tomorrow at 8:30 via phone?
JA: Also, the proffer on the witness (Caryoth?). He did not depose her because no opinions were offered. JB agreed to proffer.
JB: She was available Saturday for a depo via skype. JA asked if she had any facts, they told him no, she would speak generally and JA chose not to depose her. I have long been objecting to all of these proffers. I'm going to object again. These have to come to an end and the State has to be ready to try the case and not expect an advance preview. If JA wanted more info, he could have taken her depo and asked her about grief and what she would be testifying to. Now she has to come down from Tallahassee with the hopes that she can testify.
JA: I have no problem with the proffer by phone. He did not take the depo because it was scheduled at 2:00 on Saturday when Dr. Rodriguez's was scheduled. Dr. Caryoth was sitting at a neighbor's house waiting to testify. He asked JB if he had a problem proffering her testimony - and he said no problem. CM was there. He can't guess what hypotheticals the witness would testify to.
JB: It was late Saturday afternoon. We were all tired and I understand him not wanting to take her depo. He had a report of what she was going to say. I am willing to give a general proffer of the topics she will testify to. I am not willing to have her come proffer then come back to testify. JA didn't take advantage of the opportunity. Give an inch and they take a yard. This has been going on for 3 years. Issues on both sides, but don't neglect your responsibilities. You should do what you were expected to do which is take the deposition.
HHJBP: Is the witness being called to testify on general grief. Is the witness going to be asked hypothetical questions based upon the evidence that has thus far been presented?
JB: Yes.
HHJBP: Has the witness interviewed ICA?
JB: No.
HHJBP: When had you planned on calling her as a witness.
JB: She is planning on being her tomorrow morning.
HHJBP: I don't have a crystal ball. I have no earthly idea what she is going to be asked or her responses. I have tried to be up front with everyone. I have given you every case on the subject on grief. Depending on what she is going to say, some of it may be admissible and some of it may not be. If there is a hypothetical based upon record evidence, then she can explain as a result of that hypothetical whether grief would have it. During Jury selection it was quite evident that the jurors have been questioned about death and grieving. The Court concluded there was no need of expert testimony on the question of grief. There was no question asked of the jurors whether or not they had any experience with death or grieving. Thus, there is a possibility that the evidence may be permissible, based upon the testimony that his been thus brought for. Guess we'll go in and out like pop tarts tomorrow. Hopefully there will be a well constructed hypothetical based on record testimony. The testimony should not be a mystery. If there was some mystery and some discrepancy, you could have made requests from the court reporting service on how to retrieve testimony. I even gave my cheat sheet to the Defense and the State. So, we will see tomorrow what the testimony will be.
How many more witnesses after the grief counselor do we have?
Half dozen? Okay. At the conclusion, before the defense rests, I will be making the necessary inquiry about the Defendant choosing not to testify to make sure it is her decision and her decision alone.
If you should happen to find any cases tonight, email them to me so that I can read them first thing in the morning.
The phone call with AF will be for the record if she is arguing a motion. It will go to the media and anyone else who has ears.
Madam Court Reporter, email me JG testimony.
Softail
06-28-2011, 05:19 PM
I would literally have jumped over the table, grabbed JB with my bare hands, and have throttled him within an inch of his life.
JA gets the GOLD medal for self-control today.
OMG!OMG!OMG!
I swear, if I had the extra bucks, I would be sending them each a large bottle of scotch tonight.
Never fear - JA will get the last laugh! :great:
deelytful1
06-28-2011, 05:19 PM
OMG HHJP talking about ICA possibly taking the stand!
one can only hope!!!!
wenwe4
06-28-2011, 05:19 PM
JB w/Jesse Grund...previously engaged to kc...felt uncomfortable about being around LA, he seemed standoffish....she said she didn't want Caylee around LA...she told me one night she woke and found LA staring @ her and another night he was touching her inappropriately....that was all JG needed to hear...didn't need to continue conversation any further...
witness stand down leave room
HHBP - object that SA has made regarding hearsay..
SA points out 88301...
state of mind...from 2006 is not relevant - even statement KC said don't want Caylee around LA - object as doesn't go to state of mind @ relevant point in time...
HHBP -anything else from defense
JB - we would like to review...any additional support.
HHBP -as I indicated before - not admissable under hearsay rule - i will look tonight and see - ask oth sides to have what ever cases they might have. ms. Finnell wants to take up death penalty motion by telephone...
do you have her depo? didn't take her depo - counsel told us she knew nothing of that...we agreed to have a profer...I don't know what she will testify to...we agreed to profer...
JB -we had Dr Carey available on Saturday...available Skype - Mr. Ashton has refused to depose her...I have objected to all these profers...it is absurd to try case this way...thre has be a stop these have to come to an end....to the profers...if JA wanted he could have taken her depo...ask about grief and her report...he refused...she now has to come down from Tallehassee I would like her testify...
HHBP -whydidn't you take her depo?
JA - this was scheduled for 2:00 in afternoon we started @ 1:30 and started Rodriguiz and didn't finish with him til after 3:00...she had been waiting for an hour and a half...she has nothing about this specific case....we agreed to profer...we agreed to profer - no problem..
JB - it was late Sat afternoon - we were all tired, he did not take her depo...he had a report....am I willing to have her testify and then do it again....she did wait an hour and a half...one of those situations where you give an inch - they take a yard.... there is issues on both sides....if you were going to do this...she took the time to come to Mr. Ashton after arriving from Europe...he didn't depo her..
HHBP - is witness going to testify on grief? is she going to testify on evidence already presented? has witness interviewed Ms. Anthony? (can't hear answers)
when did you plan on calling the Dr. as a witness?
I don't have a crystal ball - no earthly idea what this witness will be asked or going to say in response to questions...I have tried with everyone with subject of grief and told of you another one I found @ Southern Ed 235....depends on what she will say...some admissable some not...hypothetical based upon record evidence....she can explain under hypothetical...other cases I have cited....it was quite evident the jurors had experience with death and grieving - there was no expert testimony on death and grief....as far as I remember no members of the jury had experience with death or grief....possible evidence on what is asked...what hypothetical asked based upon testimony brought forth in this trial....best I can do is listen to testimony and we go in and out like poptarts tomorrow...hopefull there will be a hypothetical theory - hopefully you both capture the testimony - you have monitors @ table - save it on junk drive @ conclusion of each day...there was some testimony or discrepency - you could have made requests of court reporrter - if want copies. I gave my copy of cheat sheet to DT and offered copy to SA....
how many more witnesses after grief counselor do we have? half dozen?
@ conclusion before DT rests - I will have to inquire if witness choses not to testify to make sure her decision and hers alone...kc nods...
HHBP - if you do happen to find any cases tonight - email them to me so I can read them...both sides have access to my email make sure you copy the other side...
anything else for good of the order
Phone call - which one? Ms. Finnell - going to be arguing a motion - going to anybody that has a pair of ears....court reporter before you leave - email me a copy of mr grunds testimony so I can review it...
8:30 tomorrow morn
nursebeeme
06-28-2011, 05:20 PM
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