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nomoresorrow
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
God Bless You JP! "A trial is supposed to be about a search for the truth." Amen.

passionflower
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Trials ARE for TRUTH!!!

Nova24
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
I honestly couldn't breathe there for a moment. This trial is starting to make me physically ill. Anyone else?

ShortPotato79
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Oooo Cindy, you in danga gurl...

Miss Anarchy
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Under the Fair Labor Standards Act- that is EXACTLY what being a salaried exempt employee means! If you work even ONE DAY in a 40 hour week, you are required BY LAW to be paid for an entire weeks worth of work. As a salaried exempt employee, you are being paid for your knowledge- not your time. Hence the reason salaried exempt employees are EXEMPT from overtime.

This is not how the State of Florida interprets/handles the law. I am considered a State employee by working for a State University.

gxm
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Thought Cheney was arguing this....

JB got dragged back into it because he was the one present during CA's depo.

Oakley
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Oh Lord I love this Judge so much.

What'sThatClue
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
I can't even describe the look on JB's face. Looks like his mama just slapped him

gibby207
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Judge sounds maaaaddd

HRCODEPINK
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
NOT a discovery violation!! :woohoo:

NOT predjudice!! :great:

tink92
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha Ha ha ....take that baez:floorlaugh:

MissSallyAnnie
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Did HHJBP just poke his meter stick in JB's eye socket?
:floorlaugh::great::floorlaugh:

Reality Orlando
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
"...a search for the truth." HHBP

Sleuthsuthain
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
I KNEW IT!!!! <hopping all over our home office>

olive
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Justice for Caylee! Coming soon babygirl!!!

ynotdivein
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
I am giving CJBP the BIGGEST "magical hug" right now!!!!

"Trials are about the search for the truth. Juries are supposed to be given sufficient evidence to take the law, apply it against facts, and speak verdict that witnesses truth."

CJBP will advise the jury of certain factors--they can believe or disbelieve all or any part of any wit's testimony.

Remaining question is, how much time does defense need to adequately review these records and be prepared to effectively and intelligently cross-examine the witness?

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Yes, it is HUGE. If the State wins this then ALL of Cindy's testimony will be thrown out. This would be bad for the State, worse for the State than for the defense. The defense would suffer because the jury would know Cindy did not search for chloroform, and the jury could try to decide Who did.
But, Cindy's statements are valuable to the State.

I think it would actually make her statements helping the State MORE impactful. IOW I would know that she is trying to help her daughter and that any help she gave the SA was even watered down!!

NavySubMom
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
If CA had not lied, the jury would have to figure out on their own if ICA or CA made the searches. When she went on and on and one about her password and the work records would not be there, etc. NOW they will know that she LIED to protect ICA. NOW there is premeditation, proved by the mistruths of CA, who so desparately tried to save her daughter from the DP. Some times telling the truth is better than lying, IMO. Wow!!

luv
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Woohoo!

No violation!
http://i54.tinypic.com/2cxst1t.jpg

AliVada
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
I love this judge he knows his stuff and he is so fair ....

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
and he asks the dt how much time they need to be prepared

GolferChick
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
MarkEiglarsh Mark Eiglarsh
Judge Perry is doing a phenomenal job handling this alleged discovery violation. He is following the law perfectly.

stillwatersc
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
ICA could not testify. An emotional breakdown like CA or GA had on the stand would have been expected if her baby had accidentally drowned. Whatever defiant, jealous rage brought her through that horrible act is still propelling her now. Casey will not lower herself to show remorse or anything that even resembles or could be interpreted as remorse. She knows her parents will be watching.

Softail
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
Ya hear that Mr.Lippman? Your client lied! Under oath!

:gavel:

MelissaLee
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
JB confirming that the DT knew that CA was going to say her work records were not accurate.

HHJP asking if the records were computer generated (as opposed to manually kept).

Confirmed as computer generated.

HHJP asking if the computer generated records were confirmed as being true and accurate (not tampered with).

LDB confirming, stating there was a stipulation in place.

JB jumping in and arguing again before HHJP can completed his next question.

HHJP pursuant to Richardson vs. State - not a discovery violation. As soon as these particular records became pertinent, the SAO obtained the records and provided them to the DT. The DT raises the issue of prejudice. Trials are supposed to be about the search for the truth. Juries are supposed to be given sufficient evidence so they can take the law and apply it toward the facts so they can reach a verdict...

:)

Nova24
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
She should just take the 5th.

Jstc4caylee
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Effectively and intelligently ?????? uh, never.

Curious Me
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
:blowkiss:Thank You HHJP.

CAYLEE :candle:

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Judge Perry; "Trials are supposed to be about a search for the truth. Juries are supposed to be given sufficient evidence."
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:11 PM

Perry rules no discovery violation. State will be allowed to present work records to jury. Baez looked down and pressed his lips together
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:11 PM

#Perry No discovery violation. Cindy's testimony re chloroform search about to be strongly undermined.
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:11 PM

"Trials are supposed to be about a search for the truth."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:11 PM

#CaseyAnthony Judge Perry says NO discovery violation by state when it presented stack of Cindy's work records today to Baez
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:11 PM

Perry: Gentiva records NOT a discovery violation. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:11 PM

"The court will find that this was not a discovery violation."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:10 PM

BuffaloPI
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Court cam now showing a nervous, fidgety Cindy A.

Why so nervous, CA? :floorlaugh:

yeknomaras
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
fab-ra-cation

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
What did he just say about fabrication?

aim
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pipkins
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
oh dear it's not caseys day is it?:floorlaugh: lets hope it gets worse for her

GreenTeam
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
:tyou:

Clearly Confused
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
JB is sitting there laughing/smirking...really? I wouldn't be.

tink92
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Snort!!,,,know JB has got to find himself a computer expert!:floorlaugh:

Ninsi
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
FAB - RI- CAAAAy -TION!!!! WOOT!

ZsaZsa
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
HHJP- how much time does the defense need to review these records?
About the same time that LDB needed, just a few minutes to confirm that CA lie s as much as her daughter.

mimmy03
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
does anybody know if the anthonys are currently in the courtroom while they are hashing this out?


nevermind, saw them in the courtroom... i sure hope CA is sweating bullets. :maddening:

SyraKelly
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
I think BillS was right. CA in a minor way, saved herself vs. further charges by using words like "if" and "may have" coupled with all of the medication she was taking...I doubt that the State will pursue the charges vs. her...though they totally could. After dealing with that family for three years...who knows how the State feels...

IF I lived in FL,going after CA for perjury would be tax money well spent-JMO

rose222
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Our sweet darling Caylee must be singing in heaven!

Kenziema
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
This is not how the State of Florida interprets/handles the law. I am considered a State employee by working for a State University.

The difference is your public- not private. The FLSA is a federal law- not state. Check http://www.dol.gov/whd/flsa/.

Black Magic Woman
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Don't you know that JB is beyond sick he got rid of Judge Strickland? I love it!

sleutherontheside
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
OH BOY.....that was a close one......

This is a huge blow to the defense.....just another example of them not thinking far enough ahead in a plan.

Look at the expressions.
17382

17383

Fluffy Puppy
06-30-2011, 02:13 PM
the akamai feed has a camera on CA, who has her head bowed and you cannot see her face.

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Perry will instruct jurors re: weight, credibility of witness testimony. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:13 PM

#JoseBaez looks deflated.
by stevehelling via twitter at 1:13 PM

"There is no evidence at this time that the prior records or these records are the result of a fab-ri-ca-tion."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:13 PM

Judge says he will instruct jurors about credibility and weight of people's testimony. Judge is asking how long defense needs to prepare.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:12 PM

#CaseyAnthony State allowed to present Cindy's work records to try and prove she was at work day she claims she did computer searches
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:12 PM

GreenTeam
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Fabrication of records, things can be thrown out?

SAgal
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Why is Baez smiling? This makes no sense to me.

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
kudos to my LDB and JA....you guys rock

Wholehearted
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
JB's facial expressions, head shaking, and comments to the side are just over the top and unprofessional.

SleuthinCa
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Man, I wonder what CA is going to do on the stand again. The 5th?

Ninsi
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Quote unquote Computer expert. I love him too.

suzihawk
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Hallelujah!!! OMG! I can't believe how much I love and respect this honorable Judge.

sleutherontheside
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
This is huge......both sides already stipulated that these are true and accurate records.

BuzzieCat
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Awesome, JP! No discovery violation.

I wish someone would address the fact that Cindy was very wishy-washy about those searches anyway. She never really said she definitely did them, just that she could have.

TakingALook
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Thank you HHJBP, I believe you were 'destined' to provide the necessary guidance in this case so that these Jurors can come to a just verdict with ALL the 'truthful' testimony!!!! Justice for Caylee Today.

jojomonkey
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Let's get on to the rebuttal already!

tonybotz
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
this defense team is a disaster - i'm really praying for a mistrial so Ms. Anthony can get a fair trial. its almost like the defense is working for the prosecution.

Eileen730
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
I don't really agree with the whole "salaried employees can come & go".. EVERY salaried position that I've EVER had, there was always some sort of "time keeping", specifically for the determination of BENEFITS eligibilty..ie health ins, vac/sick time etc... most companies have a specified average amount of hours that are needed to continue to qualify for said benefits..

I was a salaried employee and i had to sign in nd out every day but only got paid for 40 hours no matter if i worked 30 or 80 hrs.

SeaNymph
06-30-2011, 02:14 PM
:great::woohoo::great:

gibby207
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
HHBP just gave DP a HUGE shot. :D

Whaleshark
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
everyone knew this was coming.

sorrell skye
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
If her mother's testimony is impeached, I'm wondering if KC will come to regret her decision to not testify.

As a wise old Ent once said, "Don't be hasty..."

matou
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Cindy had her head down, not sure if she was doing it on purpose or reading something, she had her glasses on.

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Perry: Will give Dorothy Sims the rest of the day to talk to Gentiva worker. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:14 PM

"If necessary I will make him miss his doctor's appointment."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:14 PM

Judge says in fairness of the defense he is going to give them rest of day to talk w/ man from Gentiva. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:14 PM

Amster
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Great. Recess for the day??

PMLsmom
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
IT"S IN!!!! Oh, and can we say "perjury"???????????

dog.gone.cute
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
If Cindy would have stood up for JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE ... and NOT ICA ... the Court would not be dealing with this issue ...

If it's NOT the DT wasting time ... it's the A's ...

:banghead:

jamiect
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
MarkNeJame Mark NeJame
#judgeperry is conductingRichardson hearing to determine whether Gentiva records come in. He's letting them in. Rules no violation.
1 minute ago

Wholehearted
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
The way Casey looks at DS is just predatory.

KenoshaKid
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
"Everyone knew this was coming based on Ms Anthony's testimony". THANK YOU

Stella5
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Oh puhleeze!!! The DT doesn't deserve any time... they've had 3 years to go over Cindy's time card and JB all but admitted knowing she was going to LIE about her work hours! Let's get this done with and get these jurors back to their families!

MelissaLee
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
KC giving sideways death glares to JB. JB smirking, red faced and doing the *blink blink* thing as HHJP talks.

adb263
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Sorry but i missed something.....How did fabricating of records come into play?

momtective
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
:woohoo: Love me some HHJP!

Wishbone
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Darn CA strikes again, holding things up and twisting the truth as usual. No wonder her daughter ended up where she is right now!!

JSR
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Tell it HHJP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JB IS an officer of the COURT and he knew what he was doing when he put CA on the stand about the searches.

BigFatMommyDog
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
As an officer of the court...

How much time to did to do what you need to do?

Trident
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Judge Perry ROCKS!

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
The man has a prior engagement (doctor's appt.) but Perry says he will make him miss it. #caseyanthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:15 PM

"I don't think it's any big surprise that somebody wasn't going to to go out and get these records."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:15 PM

I actually meant to say that #JoseBaez looks "defeated" but autocorrect changed it to "deflated." Either way.
by stevehelling via twitter at 1:14 PM

#CaseyAnthony This will help the state prop up it's contention that Casey was home to do the searches. Not Cindy as she claims.
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:14 PM

Ninsi
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Oh he is just awesome!!!! Bar member STRIKE! ---no one is surprised---STRIKE!!!!!!!!

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:15 PM
HHBP is making himself very clear right now as he asks DS about how much time as an officer of the court does she need

and her answer is that she does not know

kelian36
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Court cam now showing a nervous, fidgety Cindy A.

Why so nervous, CA? :floorlaugh:

It's a great moment isn't it?

HOTNTX
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Was anybody else surprised to hear her voice? She sounded to childlike..

That was her "court voice". Timid, meek and girl-like.

Her "real" voice is the one we saw in the jail tapes when she was going off on her parents. The voice that she used when she cursed at CA when she called her from jail and wouldn't give any info about Caylee and asked for Tony's number.

It's the voice we didn't hear, but could see, the other day when she was going off on JB to CM and bared her teeth.

It's also the last angry voice that Caylee got to hear as the strips of duct tape were put on her mouth and face.

SAgal
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Man, I wonder what CA is going to do on the stand again. The 5th?

Didn't Judge Perry say all of CA's testimony could be thrown out if she takes the 5th?

truthsleuth
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
HHJP: Other than the possibility of her testimony being impeached. What would the defense suffer if this testimony comes in

JB: It would be severely punished. We took Mrs. A's representation that she was a salary employee when she ran these searches, and it was in the exact time frame of when this was done. What's to stop Mrs. A pleading the 5th amendment, and that opens up a whole new problem.

HHJP: All of her testimony would be stricken and the jury instructed to disregard.

JB: There's another problem. I think ... we're at the close of our case and they could have attacked this evidence in another manner ...

When someone tells you they are going to get up and lie, that's when a counsel gets into trouble, but unfortunately counsel can only rely on what a witness tells them. I would agree 100% but I would bring to light what this court often said, if we knew this was going to be an issue,

This was not intentional or willful. Ms. A defended her position quite vigorously and we followed up on it. I don't believe there's any prejudice here. I would never argue that Mr, Baez was trying to dupe the jury. It was inadvertent and they got the information as soon as I got it. The prejudice is only in that it opened a window that is currently before the court.

JB: Sometimes records and documents can cause confusion. We'd need our experts to review these records. This is NOT a simple issue.

Before Ms. A took the stand, did you know she was going to say what she said about her being at home and not at home as her employment records indicate.

These things were already in record. They are not something we disputed. But to bring in new stuff?

HHJP: Were you aware when Ms. A took the stand she was going to testify that despite the records show she was at work, those records were in conflict.

HHJP: But you knew she was going to testify to that? Now the work records introduced, were they computer generated?

LDB: We had time cards.

JB: Were they generated by use of he computer or were they manually done?
Did anyone have an expert look at those records or someone monkeyed with the records to coincide those records.

JB: Those records are of limited value. We believed there was an answer why Mrs. A said what she did about the accuracy of those work records?

Anything else?

Court's finding of fact. This was not a discovery violation. [!!!] The state of Florida sought those records and supplied those records to the defense.
Trials are supposed to be about a search for the truth. Jurors are supposed to received truthful evidence and speak a verdict that renders the truth. the court will instruct the jury about believability or non-believability of evidence. The remaining question is how much time does the DT need to adequately review these records and cross examine the witnesses supplying this testimony.

---

How much time do you need to do what you need to do?

DS: Maybe an hour or so. I'm not sure

KenoshaKid
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
So let DS leave and go meet with the guy and let us continue with someone else. ;)

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Sheesh I turned down work for Sat, when they said closing arguments tomorrow I reconsidered (in my mind) now I back to no work. I sure could use the money. Maybe I should go claim that body I've been hiding. :floorlaugh:

allycat1208
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
What happened? I just got here. The State is going to bring in witnesses from Gentiva? Now the defense team has to analyze what?

QueenD
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Does DS not understand military time?

fifteen89
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
rut roh. I sure wouldn't want to pizz of JP any more than I had to and have to stand there in front of everyone......

MelissaLee
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Wow.

HHJP - EVERYBODY knew this was coming re Mrs. Anthony's testimony. This is NOT a surprise. Upon your oath as a FL Bar Member, how much time do you really need to do your job?

Wow again.

DS - stuttering over and over as to she doesn't know.

magnolia
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Ok..well, let's get this on.:D

Themis
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
HHJP :yourock:

indicat
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
Under the Fair Labor Standards Act- that is EXACTLY what being a salaried exempt employee means! If you work even ONE DAY in a 40 hour week, you are required BY LAW to be paid for an entire weeks worth of work. As a salaried exempt employee, you are being paid for your knowledge- not your time. Hence the reason salaried exempt employees are EXEMPT from overtime.

I know the laws vairy from state to state and my husband is a salaried RN in Hospice. I know how salaried is supposed to work but I have not seen it work that way.

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
Sims: Tells Perry she doesn't know how much time she needs with Gentiva witnesses. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:16 PM

Kateyes
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
does anybody know if the anthonys are currently in the courtroom while they are hashing this out?

I am watching on TruTV and thought I just saw CA sitting in her usual seat in the back, with her head sort of in her hands.

jane the dood
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
Why is Baez smiling? This makes no sense to me.

That's just his permanent smirk.

jamiect
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
MarkEiglarsh Mark Eiglarsh
Judge Perry is doing a phenomenal job handling this alleged discovery violation. He is following the law perfectly.

gitana1
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
Thank God!!!! I prayed hard. I was afraid. I am very pi$$ed that the state waited until the last minute to get these documents. They know better. I had no idea they did not have these documents.

But CA's testimony WAS different than her depo.

Guys, this was a big deal. I was nervous. If the jury could have believed that CA actually did the searches, it could have created reasonable doubt as to premeditation, or aggravated child abuse. If CA searched chloroform (which admittedly, sounded like a lie), then casey likely did not and the state's argument that casey planned this, and/or the inference that casey used chloroform on her child, which caused her death, could be put into question a bit and we need one of those two things to get 1st degree murder.

KenoshaKid
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
DS all nervous as the technical stuff is over her head.

TortillaChip
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
Oh come on don't let DCS handle this, but......but .......sorry no one else there to get this done quickly.

sleutherontheside
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
The way Casey looks at DS is just predatory.

like this?

17384

monique
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
Didn't Judge Perry say all of CA's testimony could be thrown out if she takes the 5th?

Not so sure the SA will even PUT CA on the stand. They don't need to in order to impeach her testimony on this...they only need the records guy from Gentiva.

JSR
06-30-2011, 02:17 PM
HHBP just gave DP a HUGE shot. :D

Yup he sure did.

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
At ease? What does that mean?

gxm
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
This is the problem with CA's and ICA's elaborately detailed lies. That extra information (passwords, etc.) comes back to haunt them. Truly, the devil is in the details!

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
witness has medical issues and wants to leave ....short of major medical, I hope he is able to just reschedul

Wholehearted
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
LDB's explanation made a lot of sense, but DS comes off as very genuine. Does DS really not understand?

kant
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
But....

if they go with not a discovery violation (if we, let's say, call it a win-the-battle-lose-the-war type of thing)

is the war lost (in a sense) bc does that open a stronger angle for the mechanics of an appeal ?


Am I totally confused?

And I also have a huge problem believing Cindy would CHOOSE to fall on a sword for ICA. (claim she searched if she really didnt.... risk being charged with perjury...)


?



moo

Kenziema
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
I was a salaried employee and i had to sign in nd out every day but only got paid for 40 hours no matter if i worked 30 or 80 hrs.

Then technically you were not a salaried exempt employee and could have sued your employer for overtime violations under the FLSA.

BTW- there's a 2 year statute of limitations unless you can prove it was a willful violation (in which case the statute of limitations is extended).

mombomb
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
HHJBP: Does the state intend to present rebuttal?

LDB: We do and the estimated time for that is less than a day.

There is an issue that the Defense has raised dealing with some discovery. Mr. Baez, would you present your concerns about this issue?

Your Honor, Mr. Mason will be handling the argument for that.

Mr. Mason -

Your Honor, yesterday afternoon counsel advised us that they were expecting some records and documents coming in from somewhere regarding the employment/work records of CA for the obvious purpose of attempting to impeach her testimony as to whether she was at work or not at work for the time that she had made the computer search for chloroform. This morning they presented us with a few hundred pages of records of some kind from various people and we are objecting to this as a clear discovery violation. CA's testimony was not new or a surprise in fact she had testified in deposition regarding this issue on 7/28/09 - almost 2 years ago. They knew since then, that CA had disclosed that it was she who had made those computer searches, and yet, having that info, they waited until after we called to testify that which was consistent and then subpoenaed documents. That is a discovery violation and has prejudiced the defendant. Counsel cross examined CA on this issue and then goes and gets witnesses from this company to now impeach that testimony. We now move the court to impose the appropriate sanction which is to prohibit that testimony.

For the court's info, the documents we intend to present, there is a 1 page document that is entitled "report for CMAnthon - a log in and log out system maintained by Gentiva for the week in March. In addition, there is a series of deleted emails for the week of 3/17 to 3/21 They have only asked for documents for 3/17 and 3/21. It's a spreadsheet document showing activity on CA's work computer. It is correct to say CA talked about doing chlorofill searches in her depo in 7/09. At that time she did not extensively dispute the accuracy of her work records and did talk extensively about that in her testimony last week. The sanction of exclusion is the ultimate sanction. The info was first requested from Gentiva on 7/24 by the OCSO. They had to have an investigative subpoena. The records came in pieces starting 6/27, 6/28 and 6/29. She informed counsel yesterday morning that they were coming and she presented them this morning. Mr. Camperlango is the chief compliance officer from Gentiva. He came from Atlanta and is prepared to testify. DS began an inquiry of him over the lunch hour and indicates that she needs some additional time to speak with him. That should cure any prejudice if any for the late....

CM: You have admonished all counsel that this is not to be a trial by ambush. CA gave this testimony 2 years ago. The state, will all it's resources has had plenty of time to investigate. At no time was there ever an issue raised about these work records. CA clearly testified about the issue of chloroform search. The state should not be able to sit back and allow CA to testify on such an important issue and then spring on them witnesses that claim she testified falsely. You must not reward the prosecution and support the prejudice in a capital murder case such as this. We urge you to realize this is in fact a material violation. I urge you to accept my motion to prohibit those witnesses from testifying.

HHJBP: Both sides? When CA's depo was given, did she give an indication or contest the validity of her employment records?

CM: I defer to JB.

LDB: She recalls that they spent the majority of the inquiry talking about the computer searches and whether or not she searched chloroform. She indicated that she made searches for chlorophyl because her dogs were chewing on bamboo leaves.

JB: I believe that that might be a complete response. I believe she did mention chloroform and the ingredients of such. Her response to searches of chloroform was "I may have".

HHJBP: The current records, when did they come into the State's possession?

LDB: Yesterday afternoon. The OCSO was gathering them Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

HHJBP: When did you notify the Defense?

LDB: I notified them yesterday I was expecting them. She may have notified them earlier in the week that they were planning on having someone from Gentiva testify.

HHJBP: Is this a new issue?

LDB: I can say I knew she would testify to chlorophyl searches. I did not know she would testify of her work records so extensively.

JB: She did say that she may have searched chloroform. "And possibly chloroform because my dogs were eating bamboo leaves... She also says she remembers looking up chlorophyl in March and not sure if I looked up chloroform as well.

HHJBP: Was there any awareness on the part of the defense that CA would testify that, even though her work records showed that she was at work, that she would come in and say that her work records were not accurate?

JB: I think what we had hear is that we had the witness testifying to the searches in the March time frame. So, to answer your question, she did say she was a salaried employee - salaried employees come and go.

HHJBP: I'm not talking about the searches. Was the defense aware that despite the time records showing she was at work the records were not accurate and in fact meaningless.

JB: I think we both expected that.

HHJBP: Did she ever say that in any sworn statement.

JB: How far she went into it, I don't know. The answer is a kinda yes.

HHJBP: Other than the possibility of her testimony being impeached, what prejudice would the defense suffer if those records were to come in to contradict her testimony?

JB: I think we would be severely punished by appearing to present untrue evidence. I don't think there is a remedy other than exclusion. Even if we called her on sur-rebuttal what is to stop her from pleading the 5th.

HHJBP: Well we will deal with that. That could cause all of her testimony to be stricken.

JB: There is another problem, I think this is way too late. We've rested and they have now given us this evidence. We could have attacked this evidence in another manner and we do not want the stigma of presenting false testimony.

HHJBP: Unfortunately, unless a witness tells you they are going to lie - and you put them on - that's when counsel gets into trouble. Counsel can't guarantee or warranty that a witness will go south or shade their testimony.

JB: I would agree, but I would bring to light what this court has often said - did the offering part know or should have known that this is going to be an issue.

LDB: I believe the inquiry is whether or not it is intentional or willful. I believe CA was trying to defend her position quite vigorously and started talking about emails and passwords and log ins, so we followed up on it. I was never argue that JB was trying to dupe the jury and at this juncture they have not established that this was willful. At this point we would urge the Court to find no discovery violation at all and the prejudice, if any, could be cured by speaking with Mr. Camperlengo.

JB: That is not all we can do. These are computer print outs and sometimes can be a bit misleading. We would need our expert to see how these records are compiled. This is no simple issue.

HHJBP: Let me ask this last question. Before CA took the stand, did you know she was going to say what she said that she was at home and not at work as her employment records state?

JB: Yes. The work records are in evidence and not something we disputed. But to go ahead and bring in new stuff...

HHJBP: Let me rephrase. Were you aware when CA took the stand she was going to testify that despite the records showed that she was at work, that those work records were meaningless?

JB: Yes sir.

HHJBP: But you knew she was going to testify to that? Now the work records introduced, were they computer generated?

LDB: They appear to be. It's a time card history report.

HHJBP: Was it generated by the use of a computer or manually done?

LDB: No computer generated.

HHJBP: Did anyone have an expert to look at those records to see if anyone had tampered with the computer records to question the accuracy of those records?

LDB: No sir. We engaged in a stipulation regarding the accuracy.

JB: She was salaried and did not punch a clock. We believed there was an explanation of how she could do the computer searches. If she could explain it - perfect - and that is what she did on the stand.

HHJBP: Anything else? Pursuant to Richardson - The Court will find that this was not a discovery violation. As soon as the records became pertinent, the State sought them and provided them to the defense. The Defense raises the issue of prejudice. Trials are supposed to be about a search for the truth. Juries are supposed to be given sufficient evidence so that they can apply the law to the facts and speak a verdict that renders the truth. The court will instruct the jury about credibility or believability of witnesses - all or any part of witnesses testimony can be used. The remaining question is how much time does the Defense need to adequately review the records to cross examine the witness who will be presenting the testimony. The Defense has indicated they need their "computer expert" to look at and authenticate these records; but from what both sides have done in this trial, they have stipulated to the records and there is no evidence that the prior records or these records are a result of a fabrication. Both sides know the penalty for fabrication of records, if it is proven would be subject to having what ever happens in this case thrown out - provided there is a guilty verdict. In fairness to the defense, I am giving them the balance of the day to talk to him. Ms. Sims, how much time do you need? I understand this man needs to be back for a doctor's appointment. I will make him miss it if necessary. Everyone knew this was coming based on CA's testimony. I don't think it was a surprise. As an officer of the court, based on the oath you made when you became a bar member, how much time do you need?

DCS: Maybe an hour or so -it's confusing because this is a backup tape and the times are different.

LDB: The Chief Compliance Officer had someone else compile this information. Because of the age of the documents, they are stored somewhere else and had to be retrieved. The only time difference is that the server is in Kansas City and that is central time.

DCS: There is a time difference due to the conversation. I am willing to go out now and start working on it.

HHJBP: Witness's medical issues?

JA: I'll go find out.

HHJBP: If the appointment is at 7:00 in the morning, there are several flights, could he not come back in the afternoon?

wenwe4
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
CM up argue yesterday received info from sa they subpoenaed employment records of CA to impeach herself whether @ work or not during computer inquiry re: chloroform.....we object to this testimony re: clear discovery violation...her testimony not new or a surprise....she had testified to this in July 28 2009...almost 2 years ago...SA knew since then CA made those computer seraches yet they waited until after we call her to testify...discovery violation...prejudice to dt because we have relied upon sworn testimony...counsel SA go out and obtain business records....employment history....we are indeed prejudiced by that...

LDB -1 pg document for cmanthon...log in and log out unity system maintained by gentiva begins Mar 7 to 3/30 2008....1 pg document....series of deleted email for week of (CA) only asked for documents for 17th vand 21st...deleted emails, sent emails and received emails...multipage document ....excell spreadsheet doesn't print in normal format...will tell court the broken up 232 pages so that is 1/2 of that ...desk top job date/entry/job time/user name...re: patient activity with patient info HIPPA removed...it is ....CA talked about doing chlorophyl searches in ....talked extensively here in court last Thursday ...Gentiva had these records and she didn't have access to them...passwords...of course court has been discovery hearings violation....sanction hearing...information first requested by LE by Gentiva requested on 6/24/11 last friday...subpoena issue to document support or refute CA claims...came in pieces on 6/27 and 6/28 and 6/29....sent electronically...informed counsel didn't have documents in hand...informed DT review last night and gave them to DT today...mr. kemperlango ...is Gentiva document is ready to testify.....
any testimony last week necessitated records...

CM you have said many times this is not to be a trial by ambush...SA got this info 2 years ago....we did over 150 depos....27,000+ pages of documents provided to us...at no time ever issue raised bout work records seeking now to introduce...she told 2 years ago chlorophyl...such an important issue and spring on us in the last days of these proceedings that she testified falsly...discovery violation...no you don't get to get to do that .....they had record testimony long before she testified in court room...you Must not all prejudice as this in a capital murder case.....allow Ms Sims to look @ 232 pages over lunch out....prohibit those witnesses and documents to testify...by your specific and repeated orders and admonishments...

HHBP - have a question...when depo was given...did she contest employment records will show various employment of when working.....recollection spent majority of inquiry about computer searchers...if she ever searched chloroform ...she did indicated she made searches for chlrorophyl dogs chew on bamboo leaves acting lethargic...figure source of their ...might be....

JB do not believe that is complete...she did mention chlroform ...when asked by LDB about chloroform she said I may have...went onto mention other areas...rather give exact testimony....

LDB - on depo given line 22 where i ask do you ever do google searches on desktop....searches themselves vs records negate her being home @ time of question.....

HHBP - when did records come into SA posession?

LDB yesterday after noon gather Mon, Tues, Wed....I notified them yesterday expecting records from Gentiva...I may have indicated earlier this week we may have someone from Gentiva...wouldn't know if testify until records arrived.....got them in court yesterday afternoon.

HHBP - new issue or since she testified..

LDB - I knew she did perform chloroform searches but I did not know she would argue her employment hours so extensively....nothing to what extent she testified last thursday..

JB - where she refers to chloroform....I know chlorophyl getting sick yorkies....look up chlrophyl ...don't know choroform as well but looked up alcohol, peroxide as well....in March timeframe....

HHBP -any DT know she would come in and testify that her records from work were not accurate to necessarily reflect whether she was at work....

JB she did say she was salaried employee ....they come and go....
we both expect her to testify about these searches..

HHBP don't care about searches ....time records were not accurate and meaningless...

JB - I think both sides knew that.

HHB ever say that in sworn statement....

it was Ms. LDB depo - I don't know I would say part yes....

what other reason other than impeach..how does that contradict .....

JB we would be prejudiced ....she is salary employ and doesn't punch a clock...within time frames of march when search was done.....even if we were to call her back on rebuttal what to stop her from plead 5th....

HHBP if she does plead 5th it may and all of her testimony will be stricke and jury will told to disregard...

JB - i think way too late...just given these documents...could have attacked in nother manner...don't want stigma attached to DT that we are supporting false testimony...

HHBP unless witness tells you they will lie...and they tell you they will lie...that is when counsel gets in trouble....counsel cannot warranty witness don't go south,shade or taint testimony..

JB I would agree but this court has often said.....did party know this would be an issue answer is yes 2 years ago yes

LDB - inquiry was intential or willful....I believe CA on stand was trying to defend quite vigorously with emails and passwords...so we followed up on it...I would never believe JB tried to bias jury with false testimony....I didn't think DT knew she would say it I didn't know....Mr kamperlingo is waiting....

JB we need to have our own computer experts look @ the SA this morning tried to drop on us...way too late...

HHBP before CA took stand did you know she was going to say she was home and not @ work would indicate.....

JB as in discovery....the work records ....but to go in and bring in new stuff that we have not had the voracity to look @

HHBP - were you aware when CA took stand that she would testify her work records were meaningless..

JB - yes sir....MS. LDB elicited from her..

HHBP you knew she would testify to that...
were those work records computer generated? I didn't do discovery you all did....was it computer generated? or manually done?


LDB no it was computer records generated...

HHBP anyone tampered with those records?

LDB - we engaged in a stipulation

JB - she was a salary employee - know full well what work records show...we knew Ms A show and tell about work records....she could explain it and she did that on the stand...she didn't go any further....that is when SA go out and elicit more info and introduce new records..


Richardson vs. sTate - court will find this was not a discovery violation ....as soon as it became pertinent the SA sought those records as pertinent to the dt...dt said prejudice...trials are supposed to be about search for truth...jury are supposed to be given sufficient evidence so they can speak a verdict to render the truth...court will instruct this jury certain credibilty of witnesses...they can believe all or any part of any witness testimony....

how much time does DT need to adequately review records and be prepared to effective and intelligent cross examin the witness...DT said need "computer expert" to look @ all this and authenticate these records...both sides have done in this trial they have stipulated from this organization....these records and the records before ....both sides know the fabrication of records anypoint in time would be subject to whatever happens in this case thrown out provided there is a verdict of guilt....thrown out if not...never get to that question....I understand this witness has an issue but i need to give Ms. sims balance of the day to go thru records...this gentleman needs to be back for a Dr. appointment I will make him miss his appointment if necessary....everyone knew this was coming ...don't think anybody didn't think they were going out to get this records...but as an officer of the court.....


DS - not really sure...confusing times and backup....don't know ....

LDB - an individual that assisted in compiling this information who could simply say I produced the documents they are stored and had to be retrieved....the only time difference is from Kansas City it is that time....this is backup tape and converted...

HHBP - more detail why medical issues why can't delay appointment in atlanta...appt @ 7:45 am....several flights back in orlando where he could testify in afternoon...

court will be at ease

Laynee
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
How long will it take for the DT to fnd a computer IT expert??????? Cause Im sure they will need to look outside the U.S.!! grrrrr

TakingALook
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
Maybe, if JB tries another case in the future, he will not wait 2 years to start or be forced to Prepare the case of his client!!!!! It will bite you in the arse Everytime.

newsjunkie
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
"Court will be at ease." I've never heard that one before.

Eidetic
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
I am really starting to hate this.

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
Perry: "Court will be at ease." #caseyanthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:18 PM

"Court will be at ease."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:18 PM

"There are several flights from Orlando back to Atlanta."
by judgeperrysays via twitter at 1:17 PM

Sims says she is willing to go right now and talk with witness. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:17 PM

KenoshaKid
06-30-2011, 02:18 PM
ICA looking a little green around the gills.

JSR
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
Man, I wonder what CA is going to do on the stand again. The 5th?

Well she might because she heard what HHJP said. Her ENTIRE testimony would be stricken. Which would make CA pleased as punch.

matou
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
Cindy got up and left.

GiantPickle
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
interesting....if I was Sims I'd look at that calendar and be very careful not to give this jury the case the night before a holiday !!!!

SevenSeas
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
Cindy and Lippman just left the room! lol

Tipstaff
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
CA left the courtroom with her lawyers, George sat back down.

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
Perry will allow the state to present the evidence. #caseyanthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:18 PM

Perry wants to know more about witnesses medical concurs. Can he miss appointment or come back to Orlando etc.. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:18 PM

marie-chantal
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
Why are the Anthonys leaving? I can't get any sound on CNN all of a sudden.

luckyme
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
cindy not next to george! did she get out of dodge!

Bon
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
this defense team is a disaster - i'm really praying for a mistrial so Ms. Anthony can get a fair trial. its almost like the defense is working for the prosecution.

You are hoping for a mistrial??? Seriously? The judge asked ICA if she was satisfied with council and she said YES!!!
She's guilty as sin.....time for her to pay the piper!!!
JP bent over backwards for this DT!!!!!!!!!!!!

ShortPotato79
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
Sorry but i missed something.....How did fabricating of records come into play?

HHJP Was making it clear that both sides know the concequences for fabricating records

Eidetic
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/Bpope1982/Caylee%20Anthony/awwwCays.jpg

QueenD
06-30-2011, 02:19 PM
CA and lawyer leaves court room. Gotta have a chat maybe in case she gets called?

Nana46
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
CA and Lippman just left.................awww.

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
wonder if we will even get started on rebuttal yet today?

NavySubMom
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
CA just left with the atty. She probably is desparate as to how she can clean her lie up. Probably wants to say that it is her meds. Re: throwing out all CA testimony. the 911 calls speak for themself. They are in and they will not be thrown out, IMO. She did explain the 31 days and all that went on, but the 31 days are 31 days without the jury taking into account all that she did. Anyone else? i can't figure out what the SA will lose by having all CA;s testimony thrown out, other than the 31-days- lies. I don't think the SA would want to do this unless they were confident it would be O.K. to have CA testimony all thrown out....

sleutherontheside
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
Cindy just high tailed it out of the courtroom.

17385

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
MarkEiglarsh Mark Eiglarsh
ENORMOUS victory for the prosecution in that Judge Perry ruled admissible the documents that will show Cindy Anthony perjured herself.
1 minute ago

MarkEiglarsh Mark Eiglarsh
Judge Perry is doing a phenomenal job handling this alleged discovery violation. He is following the law perfectly.
9 minutes ago

truthsleuth
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
Per BS says of Gentiva employees allowed in is not good for the defense. Looks like testimony by CA is saved from perjury claim by her saying "it was possible I was home at that time." She said "it was possible" several times in her testimony making her not lying right out but "guessing."

ZsaZsa
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
cindy not next to george! did she get out of dodge!

She just ran out with Lippman.
Bet he regrets ever meeting this family....

Eileen730
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
Cindy had her head down, not sure if she was doing it on purpose or reading something, she had her glasses on.

She is shameless!!!!!

Sistah Sleuth
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
Ooooowwwwww....Cindy's in trou----ble......

goatman
06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
Did I hear correctly that this person is going to be flown back to Atlanta, go to a Drs Appt. at 7:45am and then will be asked to hop on a plane BACK to Orlando to testify?

And the state of Florida pays right?

What I wouldn't give for CA to stand up and scream "I LIED ABOUT THE D@@N SEARCHES BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT MY DAUGHTER! BUT I AM DONE...SHE DID THOSE SEARCHES"

technicalconfusion
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
Thank God!!!! I prayed hard. I was afraid. I am very pi$$ed that the state waited until the last minute to get these documents. They know better. I had no idea they did not have these documents.

But CA's testimony WAS different than her depo.



I don't think the SA expected CA to lie on the stand, though. She testified to this last week, you can't always get records overnight.

uvamerica
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
:great: I'm so happy !! I got the biggest grin on my face ! you'd think I just had sex !:floorlaugh:

GolferChick
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
MarkEiglarsh Mark Eiglarsh
ENORMOUS victory for the prosecution in that Judge Perry ruled admissible the documents that will show Cindy Anthony perjured herself.

Tig
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
I would send this Judge a card with my thanks for his work on this case, his patience etc . But will not as someone somewhere would misconstrue or think I was bribing him for something. So all I can say is he has my total respect and thanks.

pipkins
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
KBelichWFTV:
Chief Judge will allow it.. And give defense time to review records and depose state rebuttal witnesses from Cindy's company. [via Twitter]

Amster
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
Ms. Simms. Will take hours trying to figure out anything!! So groovy. Peace

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Chief Judge will allow it.. And give defense time to review records and depose state rebuttal witnesses from Cindy's company.
16 seconds ago

kant
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
This is the problem with CA's and ICA's elaborately detailed lies. That extra information (passwords, etc.) comes back to haunt them. Truly, the devil is in the details!


Yes, THIS


So much Wordy McWord (= I agree)


word.

JSR
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
LDB's explanation made a lot of sense, but DS comes off as very genuine. Does DS really not understand?

I think she was genuine I don't think DS will understand it without the assistance of an expert. I will give the defense that an expert should look at the material. They are entitled that right however they shouldn't be allowed a week or something silly like that.

Salem
06-30-2011, 02:21 PM
ICA is going to cry!! At least it looks like it!

PMLsmom
06-30-2011, 02:22 PM
Cindy got up and left.

Ya think she's at the end of HER hallway? lololol

QueenD
06-30-2011, 02:22 PM
Is this the Geniva (sp) guy at bar?

gitana1
06-30-2011, 02:22 PM
Not so sure the SA will even PUT CA on the stand. They don't need to in order to impeach her testimony on this...they only need the records guy from Gentiva.

Putting CA back on the stand would be done in any surrebuttal. Not the state's rebuttal. That's what they were talking about.

Softail
06-30-2011, 02:22 PM
Lessons Learned for the Anthony family - You can lie to each other, but you cannot lie under oath in a court of law and get away with it!

:great:

:party:

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
betting LDB does not need to put CA back on stand just to show lies

Leah0107
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
Cindy covered her a with the word 'possible.' It's 'possible' that I was home and search the records.

MaryAnn
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
CA and Lippman just left.................awww.

Maybe CA is going to have a pow wow with her x co-workers to get them to agree with her story. :banghead:

Kat
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
I lost feed :(

egnarts
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
Been listening all day. Just popping in to say...Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we attempt to deceive.

Drama Queen
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
Me thinks that the DT case has just sailed the river cruze without a true captain at the helm. They are sinking...taking on water and no matter what they throw out...the sinking continues.
My heart will go on and on...on and on...on and...on

pcrum12
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
Then technically you were not a salaried exempt employee and could have sued your employer for overtime violations under the FLSA.

Me too! I want my share lol. I was salaried but had to fill out a time sheet for 8-5 daily but almost always worked 7:30 - 8 or 9.

DianaElaine
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
Did you guys see the look ICA gave the prosecution when they walked by? oooo doggy!

Beyond Belief
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
Lots of employers let people come and go as they please during work hours. BUT if she was doing business on the work computer exactly the same time as their searches were done, then she has a problem.

doesn't she get alunch hour?

cloud9
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
CA: "It's "possible."
:maddening:

marie-chantal
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
Did I hear correctly that this person is going to be flown back to Atlanta, go to a Drs Appt. at 7:45am and then will be asked to hop on a plane BACK to Orlando to testify?

And the state of Florida pays right?

What I wouldn't give for CA to stand up and scream "I LIED ABOUT THE D@@N SEARCHES BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT MY DAUGHTER! BUT I AM DONE...SHE DID THOSE SEARCHES"

If she doesn't come clean and just admit her lies, then I think the State of Florida should bill her for that plane ticket:banghead:

HOTNTX
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
Please!!!!....DCS is whining. What......do they need 3 days to verify this foolishness?

I'm sure it would take the DT 1 hour tops to get the info that they need. Especially when the key figures involved (i.e. Gentile officers) are right there at the courthouse. More waste of state taxpayer money.

As though this is so critical to their case. How about you didn't prove your opening statement??

Uh.....remember, drowning, sexual abuse, moved bodies???

More BS from the defeated DT!

GiantPickle
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
at ease means they're going to hang tight for a minute while someone runs and asks questions of the guy in the hall - instead of formally recessing, they are just hanging tight for an undetermined amount of time.

What'sThatClue
06-30-2011, 02:23 PM
So, are we going to wait until DS is done?

barbtries
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
The way Casey looks at DS is just predatory.

i'm sorry, who is DS? TIA

ynotdivein
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
But....

if they go with not a discovery violation (if we, let's say, call it a win-the-battle-lose-the-war type of thing)

is the war lost (in a sense) bc does that open a stronger angle for the mechanics of an appeal ?


Am I totally confused?

And I also have a huge problem believing Cindy would CHOOSE to fall on a sword for ICA. (claim she searched if she really didnt.... risk being charged with perjury...)


?



moo

Hi kant! :seeya:

RBBM--our Verified Lawyers have indicated that it is rare in any case to see a perjury charge actually being prosecuted. IMO, in this case, CA took a small risk (perjury prosecution) to secure what in her mind is a huge reward (saving her daughter from premeditation/the death penalty).

SongBird
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
this defense team is a disaster - i'm really praying for a mistrial so Ms. Anthony can get a fair trial. its almost like the defense is working for the prosecution.

I would imagine when a person is guilty...an outcome like this is the result...I'm just happy there are no gloves for KC to try on to see if they fit....JMHO

TortillaChip
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
Okay maybe CA is telling her lawyer, hey, I just remembered I was at work those days.....can I still testify to that?

kant
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
cindy not next to george! did she get out of dodge!

Cindy hit the bricks

And that tells us what....? (rhetorical)


moo

Oakley
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Defense tried to pull another fast one.. Stipulating to work records knowing Cindy would claim "another explanation"

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
Can't they start the rebuttal case and do the computer guy tomorrow? Did Littman pull CA out by the ear?

HRCODEPINK
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
CA just left with the atty. She probably is desparate as to how she can clean her lie up. Probably wants to say that it is her meds. Re: throwing out all CA testimony. the 911 calls speak for themself. They are in and they will not be thrown out, IMO. She did explain the 31 days and all that went on, but the 31 days are 31 days without the jury taking into account all that she did. Anyone else? i can't figure out what the SA will lose by having all CA;s testimony thrown out, other than the 31-days- lies. I don't think the SA would want to do this unless they were confident it would be O.K. to have CA testimony all thrown out....

She'll be confused about the 14th and 17th and claim that she thought she was off the 17th, when it was really the 14th. I don't even care what happens to her. As long as the truth is coming out. I would assume that having all of Cindy's testimony thrown out would be great. The seeds are already planted and it will be hard for jurors to forget, but I don't remember anyone else testifying about how easily Caylee could have gotten in the pool. Not to mention that changes in statements about the pool ladder itself. If I was a juror, I would already think she was a liar.

ETA: The only day I would have believed her was the first day she testified. But at the same time, I fear that I am biased by all I know about her.

gxm
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
Cindy and Lippman just left the room! lol

I'm sure they have a lot to discuss!

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
Ashton asks for sidebar- likely to talk about Gentiva exec's medical concerns. #CaseyAnthony -jfell
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:24 PM

MaraSleuth
06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
Is GA crying!?

monique
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Defense tried to pull another fast one.. Stipulating to work records knowing Cindy would claim "another explanation"

Exactly! And now it's backfiring on them BIG TIME!

GiantPickle
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/Bpope1982/Caylee%20Anthony/awwwCays.jpg

this picture actually disturbs me :(

I know its just Caylee playing but it bothers me considering what was later done to her :(

Trident
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
But....

if they go with not a discovery violation (if we, let's say, call it a win-the-battle-lose-the-war type of thing)

is the war lost (in a sense) bc does that open a stronger angle for the mechanics of an appeal ?


Am I totally confused?

And I also have a huge problem believing Cindy would CHOOSE to fall on a sword for ICA. (claim she searched if she really didnt.... risk being charged with perjury...)


?



moo

I think CA is used to getting her way about "things", as evidenced by past behavior - dead body smell morphs into old pizza, cleans out car trunk, gives a different hair brush, you get the picture. I don't believe she thought she'd be challanged on this.

I hope she sleeps well tonight.

My opinion only

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
CA is back! Did Littman resign? :lol:

Leah0107
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Do we have any idea who else is testifying in the State's rebuttal?

Oakley
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Cindy hit the bricks

And that tells us what....? (rhetorical)


moo

I saw Cindy and ML exit the court room shortly after the judge's ruling. Oh she just came back in.

Blue Ridge
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
If her mother's testimony is impeached, I'm wondering if KC will come to regret her decision to not testify.

As a wise old Ent once said, "Don't be hasty..."

I wonder if it is possible for her to change her mind even now? Or any time up until closing statements? Could she stand up and address HHJP and state she has changed her mind?

NavySubMom
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Not so sure the SA will even PUT CA on the stand. They don't need to in order to impeach her testimony on this...they only need the records guy from Gentiva.

GREAT, thanks for this, I was losing my mind here and never even thought of that! O.K. then.... again she tried to save her daughter by lying. The truth probably would have been much better for everyone. Karma is a wonderful thing. CA has done her own daughter in "re premeditation, provided of course the jury believes the chloroform testimony, and they may or may not, IMO. That would be the Vass testimony versus the DT's experts, and we know how well all of their forensic witnesses did.

O.K. CA is back. Wonder how she feels about lying now? Seriously, she is probably Ill, I know I would be .

TiaM
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Maybe CA is going to have a pow wow with her x co-workers to get them to agree with her story. :banghead:

This will be one of the chapters she is leaving out of her book.

Can you imagine the size of that thing? It will make "War and Peace" look like cliff notes.

Liz
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Cindy's back in the courtroom.

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Defense tried to pull another fast one.. Stipulating to work records knowing Cindy would claim "another explanation"
1 minute ago

JBounds
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Wonder if her family will visit her in prison after this fiasco?

Beyond Belief
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
you don't ever lie about something they can prove, this is so ridiculous.

Wholehearted
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Sorry but i missed something.....How did fabricating of records come into play?

I'm not sure if somebody's answered you yet or not, because I'm still a couple pages behind, but Cindy testified that her employer didn't want her to claim OT, so she wrote down that she was there when she wasn't. Obviously, this doesn't make any sense, because how does saying you're there when you're not lead to having fewer hours for the week?

Smugshots
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
CA was worried about her very sick dogs. It kinda makes you wonder if someone (cough ICA) was practicing their chloroform recipes. We know too much about their pets as it is.

Wonder how the pets were doing while Casey was gone. All better?

chasing.halos
06-30-2011, 02:25 PM
ICA is going to cry!! At least it looks like it!

I saw that! She knows who did those computer searches, that's why.

Leah0107
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Defense tried to pull another fast one.. Stipulating to work records knowing Cindy would claim "another explanation"

Said perfectly!

believe09
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
I think Cindy had to leave if she was being called back as a witness? DT could just stipulate the records after talking to the Compliance officer, couldnt they?

What a mess. I wonder if Baez realizes that the just told HHJP that he knew CA was going to do this...after CM pontificating about trial by ambush.

passionflower
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Anthony house tonight!

cityslick
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
Me too! I want my share lol. I was salaried but had to fill out a time sheet for 8-5 daily but almost always worked 7:30 - 8 or 9.

I've been salary my whole career and I've never filled out a timesheet.

Just saying....

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
Steve Helling on Twitter inviting Magpie from Hinky for a beer with the gang! I wanna go!!

JSR
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
Folks CA all but the needle in her daughters arm.

This will prove that even her parents know she willfully killed her daughter. Otherwise there would have been no reason for CA to lie to say SHE was the one who did the searches. And showing these records just again brings them back to the forefront and reminds the jury again that ICA had planned this for MONTHS before she finally committed the crime. Not even ICA's searches of the one tree hill episode came in. ICA could be decimated on these searches.

After HHJP let the records in I did a HUGE fist pump!

Boodles
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
Look, we don't even know whether these records are credible. If they are timekeeping records, they could easily just show "40 hours as scheduled" for Cindy (my company does this and nobody logs exceptions except those who do get overtime). Not being allowed to log overtime is, unfortunately, kind of common, even if it is a violation of the FLSA. But most employees don't challenge this. We have to hear what the Gentiva guy says before concluding.

However, if they have log in log out times from work systems, that would be very interesting.

cloud9
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
CA back in courtroom.

Farfalla40
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
I was a salaried employee and i had to sign in nd out every day but only got paid for 40 hours no matter if i worked 30 or 80 hrs.

Exactly, same here... I guess the point that I was trying to make is that no matter how many hours you actually worked in a week, they still had an accurate record via some sort of time keeping... the last company that I worked for had an expected minimum of hours that I had to work each week, many times I went WAY over that amount & was still paid the same... However, I did have to have a certain average amount of hours worked each month to qualify for benefits.:seeya:

Amster
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
Cindy should have always been on Caylee's side. Too bad, so sad, she chose to lie and cover up for ICA.

rose222
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
this picture actually disturbs me :(

I know its just Caylee playing but it bothers me considering what was later done to her :(

Same here. The other picture of Caylee trying to take off or put on some clothes. Half her face is covered and she doesn't look happy.

Boodles
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
P.S. Yes, Sunny on HLN drives me crazy. She does not seem insightful at all.

AVMAURA
06-30-2011, 02:26 PM
This is huge, guys, please pray!!!!!!

If JP rules in JB favor I am going to EXPLODE....I have felt all during the trial that JP has given the DT and ICA too much leeway so as not to let an appeal work....I am beyond PO'd..This would be an awful birthday presant :banghead::banghead::banghead:

allycat1208
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
It seems to me it would be obvious CA was not the one doing the searches on 3/17 since searches were done for facebook within 20 seconds of searches for chloroform, unless the fact that CA did not use facebook back then was not brought up. Was it brought up that CA did not use facebook at that time?

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
CA back in

I doubt anything comes of this toward Cindy. If they dealt with everyone who lied our courts would never keep up.

Her lies will simply help convict her daughter of the murder

Anadarko
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
I think she was genuine I don't think DS will understand it without the assistance of an expert. I will give the defense that an expert should look at the material. They are entitled that right however they shouldn't be allowed a week or something silly like that.

I agree, they have the right. But seriously, how hard is it to read these records? And what kind of expert do you call in to convert CST to EST?

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Yes!!!! Rebuttal!!!

Whisperer
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Chlorophyll does not make dogs sick. Dogs eat grass (which contains chlorophyll) all the time, as do kitties.

Any pet owner knows this, since they've seen their pets munching on grass. And as this morning's testimony indicated, this family has had a LOT of pets.

CA's testimony about the computer searches is BS, IMO.
...simply FYI..and to help our fur babies:


Just found out that grass is very bad for dogs. It is an irritant to their stomach. I have been told never to allow my dog to eat grass.

Darla
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Just noticed - doesn't look like Lee is next to Cindy. He must have high-tailed it outta there after his testimony!

TakingALook
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
I would imagine when a person is guilty...an outcome like this is the result...I'm just happy there are no gloves for KC to try on to see if they fit....JMHO

...........Or 'ducttape' that she might want to use on some of her 'favorite' people!!!!!!!!!! LOL, sry couldn't resist.

Beyond Belief
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Elena Burrows, now whose that.

rose222
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
did you see Casey glare at the Judge???????

momtective
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
If you tuned into @WESH, you would have known it was coming, since @JeffreyDeen and I were FIRST to predict State would get Cindy's records!


I respectfully disagree with rhornsby...we here at WS were the first to predict this. :giggle:

liltexans
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
CindyAnthony back in court. Rebuttal largely will focus on her recent claims re computer searches at home.
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:26 PM

The skinny: #CaseyAnthony wont testify. State wants to impeach Cindy's chloroform search testimony. Def says ambush! Arguments abt it now.
by abcashleigh via twitter at 1:25 PM

believe09
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Defense tried to pull another fast one.. Stipulating to work records knowing Cindy would claim "another explanation"

Exactly. At least Baez conceded that is what they did. Jeesh.

KenoshaKid
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Wow, DS left and we're doing the rebuttal. Goodness, and I was joking. :)

BuzzieCat
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Showed Cindy and George in their seats - Cindy was practically bent over double. Trying to hide, IMO.

Wishbone
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
this defense team is a disaster - i'm really praying for a mistrial so Ms. Anthony can get a fair trial. its almost like the defense is working for the prosecution.


Too bad we can't bring Caylee back with a mistrial. ICA has gotten a better defense than 99% of the people that are guilty and charged with murder.

strawberry
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Aww JA trying to prevent Pop Tarts how considerate!

mydailyopinions
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
So what we have here is this..

Cindy Anthony called 911 and reported that the car smelled like a dead body. Cindy Anthony was the only one who got the ball rolling on this case.

Now, due to her willingness to lie in order to take premeditation away from Casey....
She has managed to not only to get police involved in the hunt for Caylee, she has now made double sure through her lies that it is KNOWN Fact that Casey did this out of premeditation. Her words are bringing Caylee Justice, whether it was her intention or now.

Baez, Casey and Mason are afraid now because they know damn well that those records show that Cindy was sitting at her desk at work during those searches.

Wholehearted
06-30-2011, 02:27 PM
I thought we had to recess for the day because the DT had to talk to the computer experts? I must have misunderstood! Pleasantly surprised.

Fluffy Puppy
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
Cindy covered her a with the word 'possible.' It's 'possible' that I was home and search the records.

Except that Cindy said she remembers doing the searches -- and those are the only days the searches were made. If she were telling the truth, CA's searches would have shown up on another date.

trigger
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
She is shameless!!!!!


Like Mother....:werk::werk::liar::liar:


Like Daughter....:liar::liar::liar::liar:

Kat
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
Okay I got live feed!

Ashton up talking before first witness (trying to be considerate to jury)

Kenziema
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
Can Cindy go to jail for this? Would there be a trial for that?

RammerJammer
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
The can!!!!!!

jamiect
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
MarkEiglarsh Mark Eiglarsh
ENORMOUS victory for the prosecution in that Judge Perry ruled admissible the documents that will show Cindy Anthony perjured herself.

Beyond Belief
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
2nd witness will be Mike Vincent, will be asked about sttes evidence re odor of can, less intensity that was in the can

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
ooohhh JA and the cans of stink

MustlyLurking
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
Open the cans! Pass them around the jury!

rose222
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
Omg!!!

BigFatMommyDog
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
smell the cans!

pinkfly
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
JA thinks the jurors want to small the evidence in a can.

KenoshaKid
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
OMG Jury is going to want to smell the evidence!!!

Kat
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
This jury is going to want to smell the evidence. : Ashton.

matou
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
Are the jurors going to smell the can?

sleutherontheside
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
Well folks....have a nail appointment. Will check back in soon. Hold down the fort for me. Will catch up in a couple hours.

belladonna
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
OMG the cans are coming in.....Go JA

sorrell skye
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
JA: "This jury is going to want to smell the evidence."

I concur with JA. As a pseudo-juror, I want to smell the evidence!!!

As far as I'm concerned, the jury has the right to examine ALL the evidence, and to come to their own conclusions.

Beyond Belief
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
JA thinks jury will want to smell sniff the cans, oh my goodness.

anb
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
JA asking if jurors can smell the cans!!

ZsaZsa
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
How long will it be before CA gets up to testify that JB instructed her to lie?
Answers on a postcard please, to .....

Softail
06-30-2011, 02:29 PM
Awww... JA is so courteous to the jury. Bringing up the fact that the DT will object to the 2nd witness so to take care of it now, rather than the jury having to be pop-tarts.