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mitzi
07-01-2011, 02:43 PM
Cindy has got to be feeling really humiliated!

Respectfully, I think it would be more like Cindy feels indignant, and feels she was in the right, and everyone else is lying. She thinks she's 'special'...just like the apple that fell from her tree.

jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:43 PM
Perfect, Ms. Polisano said she never did fix CA time card and never would.

Oakley
07-01-2011, 02:43 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Cindy could not logon from home and work.. Against policy for someone to use Cindy's computer on her user name to change patient records

Nali87
07-01-2011, 02:43 PM
Matching shirts for CA and GA, cute.

ami
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
JB - So this HIPPA you are talking about, that's a female HIPPO right?

And that Hippo cannot testify in court, is that not correct?

Pooh
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
so is anyone besides me wondering who they would pick if they were in Orlando and needed a defense attorney.......

I'm going with Mark NeJame. Even if he looks like the dude on Dark Shadows. LOL

liltexans
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Mar. 14, 2008 shows paid time off, but lists #CindyAnthony as if she was there. Protocol at Gentiva. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:43 PM

Polisano shown time card history report. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:42 PM

Tulessa
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Never, ever, ever would I lie, cover or in any way stop my child from accepting the consequences for their actions. Raising law abiding citizens is hard work. Enabling your child right into and past murder? No way!

Amen!

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Hands down, Bill Schaeffer :) He's my guy,I think he's adorable! And SMART :)

yes I agree Bill S

gngr~snap
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
WOW...I'm sure the Florida Board of Nursing will be none to happy when they learn this information.


For the life of me, I can't believe CA would lie under oath, on national TV...about actions which are so heavily regulated by FLSA, Medicare/Medicaid, HIPAA Regs and company policies!

Senseless, sad and sick, IMO!!!
not sure about florida...
but I think she just lost her nursing license.
NOT that anyone would hire her now..

shezcrafti
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
I don't see the point of this since I thought it was established that when the searches for chloroform were made there were searches for facebook within 20 seconds of each other and CA did not use facebook. Wasn't it verified that CA did not use facebook?

You are correct, BUT it technically could be argued that CA and ICA switched on and off to conduct different searches/use different websites in the same period of time. So that's why all this is necessary so that we can completely remove CA from the house where this computer was.

newsjunkie
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
RT @lilialuciano: Questions to mothers: Would you lie on the stand to save your child from death penalty? (I know my mom would...)

My mom wouldn't, my sister wouldn't, all other mothers in my immediate circle wouldn't, and I wouldn't. :twocents:

MissSallyAnnie
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
JB - So this HIPPA you are talking about, that's a female HIPPO right?
:great::great::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::great:

ahoyhoy
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Thank god there are good people out there who try to do right, who do their jobs, who are smart and honest most of the time. Who help fight for justice.

This case has brought out the best and worst of humanity, IMO.

Geez, I'm right here...

JB Fletcher
07-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Cindy has got to be feeling really humiliated!


Not the Cindy I know. She just feels caught.

gelfie68
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
Now I'm confused. The Gentiva compliance officer stated the computer auto-logged out after 5 hours of no activity.

Ms. Polisano stated the computer would auto-log out after 15 minutes of no activity.

Don't confuse the PROGRAM with the COMPUTER. In other words, if you walk away from your computer to use the bathroom. Most computers will start the screen saver because there is no activity. When you sit down to start using the comp again. Most work comp you would have to log back into the COMPUTER. But the program would still be up and running (like WS)

TUSK
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
wrap it up. fg is like jb, he dosen't know when to sit down.

NavySubMom
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
This is almost a Perry Mason moment, IMO. I just could not understand her blatant lie about this when she was lying about this when she was on the stand, I did not understand how she could not realize her work would have all of this information about her. IMO.

cityslick
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
No! It's always been understood that my children are accountable for what they do. I'm blessed that they are all three good people.

You would let the state execute your child, regardless of their actions?:waitasec:

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
I shall pray for this jury tonight....not a fun job

Sleuth5
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
Did CA Testify to remote access?

IIRC, she mentioned she was "working from home that day." I can't say that i remember her talking about remote access, for, despite her pretense at understanding all things related to the knowledge of the universe, it has become abundantly clear that her knowledge of IT is somewhat less impressive than that evidenced by Boycie here.

:cow:

liltexans
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
CaseyAnthony largely expressionless as the state dismantles her mother's testimony.
by bobkealing via twitter at 1:44 PM

Cindy's time card report says on March 17th she worked a total of 10 hours. March 21, 2008 it shows she worked for 9.5 hrs. #CaseyAnthony
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:44 PM

minazoe
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
ut oh...here it comes...

monique
07-01-2011, 02:45 PM
RT @lilialuciano: Questions to mothers: Would you lie on the stand to save your child from death penalty? (I know my mom would...)

NOT to save them from conviction. To save them from the DP? In all honesty I don't know and am glad I will never have to find out.

downport
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
I can't stop shaking my head at Cindy Anthony's outragous audacity to think she could get away with lying about work hours.
Really, I'm stunned.
Jury deliberation = 4-6 hours. Tops.

matou
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Cindy...you in BIG TROUBLE

Nali87
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
"Would Cindy be at home, yet be shown as at work?"

"NO!".Just "NO". No If's about it. ILLEGAL TO MESS WITH TIMECARDS.

Blue Ridge
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
I hope FG asks if it's possible for the employees to do google searches and such, since CA testified they were unable to do that at Gentiva.

Even if she had, that wouldn't show up on the A's home hard drive :)

Moe
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
We have reached the end of the hall folks!!!!!!

minazoe
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
oh man...oh crud...never lie...i will never lie...omg

CN2Souls
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
15 min------- is Locked out, where there is no keyboard or mouse activity, you are still logged in but locked out... You need to put in user-name and password to unlock it. Same session

5 Hours------- is logged off----- you have to reenter user-name and password and it starts a completely new session.


BOTH are recorded or server...

Softail
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
It would be illegal to falsify timecard records!

:great:

Pooh
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Oh Jose. Just sit down.

MissSallyAnnie
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Just listening to the audio, this witness sounds like Marilyn Monroe

strawberry
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
She would not be allowed to be at home on comp time if the record did not reflect that.

waltzingmatilda
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
RT @lilialuciano: Questions to mothers: Would you lie on the stand to save your child from death penalty? (I know my mom would...)

I don't think I could lie, as I am not a good liar. It would be like a neon sign plastered on my forehead flashing, 'she's lying'.

But I would throw my body on the courtroom floor and BEG for mercy for my murderous child not to be put to death!!!

wm

maryaok
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Well, with this testimony, I think the defense is basically cooked. I predict a very long jail stay for CA. Feel so sorry for her family in all sincerity, I really do.

NoeticSoul
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
This would indicate to the jury premeditation on ICA's part again, wouldn't it?
if the searches weren't Cindy's searches.

LyndyLoo
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Whoa - 15 minutes or 5 hours? Don't go contradicting yourselves now SA!

ETA: misunderstood. The computer logs itself off (sleeps) NOT the useraccount. Got it. Proceed.


She is speaking about the user acct login not the programme for Medical records..That one will stay active for up to 5 hours..What this lady is saying is if her activity level stopped more than 15 minutes..she would be required to logon into her user acct..

Believe me its a pain in the buttocks..if you get sidelined with a patient..and go to document something..and yowza have to log on again...We also had a Rolling code we had to also insert too along with ID and password...

This testimony also precludes that their Patient files are not accessible by remote ( i.e home computer) accesses either
Their program is separate from logon ..thus 2 windows had to be open at same time.. HIPPA rules are very very stringent..No getting around that..even their updates had to be done by"Inhouse IT" wise..

jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
What could JB possibly ask this witness.

Curious Me
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
:blowkiss:To the Prosecution :takeabow:

distracted 1976
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Uh-Oh......please tell me they have CA on camera at BOA at the time the searches were being performed!

That would make my day!

QueenD
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Bank of America??????

ICA check cashing on CA accts?

BetteDavisEyes
07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Oh, boy. Here comes JB.

chasing.halos
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
#CaseyAnthony largely expressionless as the state dismantles her mother's testimony

Horace Finklestein
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
Oh Baez give it a rest. Please. Enough is enough.

ami
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
wrap it up. fg is like jb, he dosen't know when to sit down.

He did just fine. He had a list he had to run down of Q's to tie up loose ends, and he did that.

IMO, there were good reasons for every question. Listen to JB right now - this is why FG spent so long at this.

rosepetal1065
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
*sigh* here comes JB..can he ever. say. no. questions.

katydid23
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
Yeah, but try testifying to that in a capital murder case and watch the fireworks begin.

She would have to get some coworkers to come in and testify that they were using her password on those 2 days and working on patient files, from her work station.

MissSallyAnnie
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
B of A receipt alone doesn't prove anything - I send kids on errands all the time, including using ATM. We need the video!

liltexans
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
Polisano says there isn't a time where Cindy Anthony would have been at home (comp time) but work records show at work. Says that's illegal.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:47 PM

Jstc4caylee
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
Dang..gotta wonder about that possible slip...

rose222
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
whaaaaaaaat? Cindy said she went to the bank. whaaaaaaaat baez?

gxm
07-01-2011, 02:47 PM
Is anyone else picking up the vibe that HHJP is a little miffed? It sounds like CA's perjury has his dander up. Or is it just me?

GreenTeam
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
How can JB ask about July 15????????

Shyla
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
On my lunch hour I am going to run home to search something 84 times on my lunch hour...yeah right!

ZsaZsa
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
All of us at Gentiva worked together in a work sharing program. We gave each other our passwords and covered for each other on a regular basis. If we had to leave the office for some personal business we just got someone to cover. We were all salaried and our manager knew what we were doing. That is why I enjoyed working there so much.

Maybe with business records,but not with medical records.
There are severe penalties for any breach of confidentiality with medical records, such as allowing others to document for you, or access your computer. That is fraud.

Boytwnmom
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
my work laptop I'm working on at home now has the same feature. Whether on my desktop or laptop I have to sign back in after 15 minutes.



WOW logged out in 15 minutes!

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
There may just be enough public outrage when we the tax-payers find out just how much this circus has cost, that they will charge CA for this.

jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
JB did the SA ever show you a BOA receipt of CA running to the bank?

FG objection

HHJP overruledd

Witness; NO

2goldfish
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
You would let the state execute your child, regardless of their actions?:waitasec:


if mine was a raping babykiller, they'd have to execute him just to prevent ME from doing it.


disclaimer: my kids are not and will never be raping babykillers.

also: I realise ICA is not a raping babykiller. (that we know of)

Pooh
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
Just listening to the audio, this witness sounds like Marilyn Monroe

She looks like she thinks she's Marilyn Monroe. lol

magnolia
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
It is against policy to share id's!

:great:

~~Yes~~ :great:

jharres
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
JB, you are not going to get around the fact that during the time the searches took place, CA was at the office entering data....you just won't.

liltexans
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
CindyAnthony Is sitting in courtroom with her head down and jotting notes in her notebook. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 1:48 PM

Quiche
07-01-2011, 02:48 PM
HHBP giving the defense A LOT of leeway. imo

sleutherontheside
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
IMO, there is a palpable change in the air of the courtroom. No, I am NOT there. But, I can feel it from watching.

It's downright foreboding!

KenoshaKid
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
whaaaaaaaat? Cindy said she went to the bank. whaaaaaaaat baez?

I'm betting it was Casey. :fence:

Curious Me
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
Go ahead, JB. Firm up the facts. You know how it only ends up hurting you.

bobloblaw
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
You would let the state execute your child, regardless of their actions?:waitasec:

Only if my child committed premeditated first degree murder. :twocents:

Sleuth5
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
I can't stop shaking my head at Cindy Anthony's outragous audacity to think she could get away with lying about work hours.
Really, I'm stunned.
Jury deliberation = 4-6 hours. Tops.

I wish I could say I'm stunned, but after three years of CA's antics, I wouldn't be surprised if she claimed that LDB kidnapped her granddaughter and is collusion with JA to frame her daughter.

GreenTeam
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
Why is HHJB allowing questions about July 15 when it wasn't talked about in direct??????

monique
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
JP probably letting in the July 15th testimony to avoid having to sit around for 4 days waiting for those records.

Blue Ridge
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
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jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
FG objecting to JB asking about a completely separate date than what the SA talked about. Why is JB being allowed to go down this path.

shezcrafti
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
Is JB reading cross-examination questions off his mobile phone?

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
so does JB have any records to back this up.....he never asked the general counsel G guy about it when he had the chance

SuziQ
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
You would let the state execute your child, regardless of their actions?:waitasec:


Parents can argue for mercy in the penalty phase without having to tell a lie.

Parent who lie during the guilt phase to keep their kids from taking responsibility for their crimes are just plain wrong and commiting a crime themselves.

Whaleshark
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
My mom wouldn't, my sister wouldn't, all other mothers in my immediate circle wouldn't, and I wouldn't. :twocents:

no i wouldn't either - especially if my son had conspired to, and murdered, his own child.

Justin Tyme
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
I hope that the SA ask the witness that if she has to complete CA's work does she have to sign in under her own password.

PeteyGirl
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
She would have to get some coworkers to come in and testify that they were using her password on those 2 days and working on patient files, from her work station.

Oh yeah, I'd be all over that one :P There's ten nurses beating down the courtroom door to admit it as we speak :crazy:

liltexans
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
Cross. Baez asks about the day #cindyanthony went to tow yard to pick up car. Polisano says Cindy was gone for an hour or so. #CaseyAnthony
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:49 PM

Girlrilla
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
This is almost a Perry Mason moment, IMO. I just could not understand her blatant lie about this when she was lying about this when she was on the stand, I did not understand how she could not realize her work would have all of this information about her. IMO.

Her last ditch effort to enable ICA out of 1st degree...guess she felt like she had to take the chance. Dumb move but I am sure she would beat herself up inside for not at least trying.

Nali87
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
(I have no children, but this is what I hope I would do. I imagined it was a parent who was accused of murder.) I would not lie to get a murderer off. I'd lie to keep her alive. Look at what happened with Joran van der Sloot (suspect in killing Natalee Holloway). His parents give him an alibi, kept him out of prison. He killed another young woman. I'd never interfere with a criminal case of my child, because you never know if that child would kill again. However, I'd break down and plead for her life.

azscr4mbl3r
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
Go jose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amster
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
With this judge, a conviction will be a miracle. He is so biased in favor of JB and the jury surely sees that.

Too bad, Caylee.

jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
JB is not crossing on the SA questions .... What is going on here?????

Softail
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
So JB is going to July 15th - To see if she was logged on or off her computer. Why didn't he ask the other guy? :waitasec:

TexasLori
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
Mrs. Polisano's voice is very soothing and smooth. I imagine this serves her well as a supervisor.

ami
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
wtf? did that even have anything to do with timecards?

JustMeDeb
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
Why would JB bring up the car???

anb
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
Oh, so Cindy is in on it now since she didn't want to leave work?

monique
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
Is JB reading cross-examination questions off his mobile phone?

Maybe he lost his J-pad. :waitasec: LOL

SuziQ
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
What does this have to do with lying about searches in march?

jharres
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
Redirect: can you think of any relevance JBs questioning just had?

sleutherontheside
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
Define quite a commotion.

MaryAnn
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
JB's statement didn't make any sense!!

SyraKelly
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
yes I agree Bill S

my vote-RH

Justin Tyme
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
Yeah, SA got the question in. WHEW.

moemom
07-01-2011, 02:50 PM
No! It's always been understood that my children are accountable for what they do. I'm blessed that they are all three good people.
I said this during the morning sidebar. Judging Cindy without walking in her shoes is easy, but when you are in that position it may change your view points. Never is lying or illegal behaviour ok and I'm not condoning that. I tell my children every day that I love them and that no matter what they do I will love them, however, I may not like what they have done. I think that Cindy is trying to balance the fact that no matter what this is her daughter and she love's her with the heinous act she is accused of against her granddaughter who she also loved. I fully expect her to plead for Casey's life and don't doubt for one minute that I would also plead for my child's life too. IMO

ljwf22
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
Is JB reading cross-examination questions off his mobile phone?
Sure looks like it!

allycat1208
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
You are correct, BUT it technically could be argued that CA and ICA switched on and off to conduct different searches/use different websites in the same period of time. So that's why all this is necessary so that we can completely remove CA from the house where this computer was.

But this is unlikely. 20 seconds. I guess its possible CA gave KC use of computer and than KC types in facebook, but it was rather a fast leap.

wenwe4
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
State calls Debrorah polisano....w/Mr George....nurse and director for Gentiva Health center....role director of clinical management...responsible for clinical staff and supervisory staff in the office....run the office...how many people supervise ...20-25 ...know CA ,..worked @ gentiva in 2008....supervisor....responsible for oversite clicinal teams, job performance, job evaluations, back in 3/2008 CA job was Clinical Manager Practice...had a team worked under ....patients assigned to her and responsible for clinical documents ....office job....did not have to leave work to perform work.....salary employee no punch clock ....every employee log in and log out once they arrived and left....how much time allowed for lunch probably half hour or hour....if salaried employee ran to drug store to pick something....necessarily not have to log out...computer would log itself...had to follow same procedure as CA did ...user name assigned and password and ea employee required to log on...hard to do any work without logging on....first have to be logged on....log out auto- once logged on period of time computer shut down or log out after not used.....15 min is best estimate....system will still runn but cant use that particular work station without relogging on....capable employee...CA didn't take 2 - 3 hour lunches....if gone for any extended period of time ...generally DP would do the work if someone gone...tough boss? no but expected people to do their jobs....CA had own work station cubicle...could anyone else use that if they wanted...you could but you would have to log in with your log in...

did CA have the capability to work from home? couldn't log on to Gentiva from home computer/desk top or any other ....NO
possible for you to fix someone else time card? theoretically possible yes but never did thta for CA or anyone....
publish previously marked 3/18 time card history report of CA publish...recognize time card history report seen this before...go down to 3/14 PTo is paid time off....arrive 8 am work til 16:00 total 8 hrs...why do that ? salary employee....we just have to put that in for time hours for the PTO....on 3/17 time card reflects arrive 8:00 am arrive onto computer with user name and password worked 10 hours on 17th.....on 21st time card worked that day for total of 9.50 hours...time card in final form approved by DP...computerized paperless system...comes to me on Tues morning check everyone time accuracy....anything missing and email if those indicated ....email and ask please complete your time...then I approve and goes to payroll...work more than 40 hour week...would you get comp time? not necessarily.....ever a time you worked for CA she woudl be allowed to be @ home for comp time and you worked for her? no illegal to do......bank of american nearby? on aloma next street over and down a few blocks....no further questions...

cross of Ms. Politano
employees are allowed to run errands during the work day....Mr. George asked you about a bank of America....did they show anything to do with Bank of America having to do with CA (object-overrule) running errands -sometimes people go to Dr and Dentist - you would have to do their job....if patient call in someone has to be there to answer phone....on 7/15/08 CA had to leave to go to tow yard...how long she gone? (objcet month of Mar...overrule) how many hours she gone approx? probably an hour and half maybe 2 at most ....don't remember exact....sometime late afternoon if I can recall...have you reviewed computer records for 7/15/08 logged on or off ...work on computer when left and when came back...she left and came back big commotion about the car and all that....she went back to computer you had to force her to leave to take care of personal....she wanted to leave...yes...

Mr. G...if circumstances arrose work under CA work you would work under your own password? oh yeah on my own computer...
witness excused.

megsy
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
With this judge, a conviction will be a miracle. He is so biased in favor of JB and the jury surely sees that.

Too bad, Caylee.Are we watching the same trial? He's been so fair it's ridiculous.

TiaM
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
How can JB ask about July 15????????

Did it on purpose to set it up for surrebuttal.

mombomb
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
2:31

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DEBORAH POLISANO BY FG

In March of 2008 she was a nurse and director for Gentiva in Winter Park. She was director of clinical management, responsible for clinical, field and supervisor staff. She ran the office. She supervised 20 to 25 office people.

She knows CA. She was her supervisor in 2008. There were clinical teams and she was responsible for oversight of that, their performance.

CA's job was a manager of clinical practice. She had a team of field staff who worked under her, a census of patients, and she was responsible for the clinical aspects. It was an office job. She was not required to leave the office to perform the job. She had a cubicle. She was salaried, didn't punch a clock. They logged in and logged out. Typically, lunch was a half an hour to an hour. If a salaried employee needed to run out to the store, they wouldn't necessarily need to log out of the computer. The computer would lock itself.

When she came to work, she would log on with her user name and personal password. Each employee would log on when they got to work because it would be hard to do any work if you didn't.

Automatically log out - the computer would log out after 15 minutes of inactivity.

CA was a capable employee who worked hard. She did not take 2-3 hour lunches. If any employee was gone for any extended period of time while she was supervising them, she would have to do their job.

Could anyone use another's work station if they wanted to. They could use the computer if it wasn't locked to someone else's user ID. It was important for record purposes that the computer reflect who was putting in the info. It is against policy to use someone else's account. It was a HIPPA compliance issue.

During March of 2008 CA did not have the capability to work from home. She could not log into her Gentiva account from a laptop or via a desk top or VPN account.

Theoretically, she could fix someone's time card. She has never done that and did not do it for CA.

State's 318 - Time Card History report of CA - published. She has seen this before.

3/14 - PTO - paid time off - a paid day off 8:00 to 16:00 - shows 8 hours account for the time off.

3/17 - she arrived at 8:00 (when she actually logged on to computer) then signing off at 18:00 for a total of 10 hours.

3/21 - she had a total of 9.50 hours.

The final time card was approved by her. It is computerized and comes to her on a Tuesday morning. She checks everyone's time for accuracy. If anything is missing, there is a little red icon and a place to send an email. She then approves them and they go directly to payroll.

Salaried means you can be expected to occasionally work more than 40 hours a week. They did not necessarily get comp time. There was never an occasion for CA to be at home, yet actually logged in as working. That would be illegal to do.

She believes there is a Bank of America on Aloma - not far from the office - the next street over and down a few blocks.

CROSS EXAMINATION BY JB

Employees can run errands in the middle of the day if they need to.

Were you shown a Bank of America receipt by CA?

OBJECTION - OVERRULED

No.

Did they show you anything from Bank of America?

OBJECTION - OVERRULED

No.

If someone had to go to the dentist or doctor,

On July 15, 2008 CA had to go to the tow yard and had to leave work in the middle of the day. She doesn't know how long she was gone.

OBJECTION - beyond scope - OVERRULED

She was possibly gone an hour and a half or two hours. It was late afternoon.

She has not reviewed her computer records for that date. She was working on her computer when she left and she worked on it when she came back.

There was quite a bit of commotion when CA came back. She then went back to her computer. She agreed she had to force CA to leave and go home and take care of her persona problems. She wanted to stay.

REDIRECT EXAM BY FG

If she needed to do another employee's work, she would do it under her password.

Witness excused at 2:50

sleutherontheside
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
Redirect: can you think of any relevance JBs questioning just had?

Preserving the record for appeal.

kant
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
Your honor, the DT gives up.

omg you kill me... in the good way.

I needed a small laugh to relieve my huge tension.


and PS

FWIW you remind me of another dear Deb I once knew.... here... or somewhere... I'll claim brain freeze

Maybe it's all in the name *wink wink*

hugs

love

BigFatMommyDog
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
Bruce Goldberger - is he toxicologist? can he testify to organic matter? do we need a chemist?

JustMeDeb
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
With this judge, a conviction will be a miracle. He is so biased in favor of JB and the jury surely sees that.

Too bad, Caylee.

Huh?? He is biased towards JB in what way?

cluciano63
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
Bye, Frank...

strawberry
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
The sad thing is I totally believe that before all this, CA was an upstanding employee.

Justin Tyme
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
JB's statement didn't make any sense!!

Do they ever? :floorlaugh:

grepNYC
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
He planted a suggestion that she was at the bank. But offers no proof.

If she did step away, would the timestamps of her activity show that she was away long enough to go to the bank, or take a longer trip home and hang out doing web searches.

BUSTED.

rose222
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
With this judge, a conviction will be a miracle. He is so biased in favor of JB and the jury surely sees that.

Too bad, Caylee.

I disagree, Amster. I think Judge Perry is just trying to throw the defense a bone. He can't help but pity their incompetence! He is there for Caylee :)

SevenSeas
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
Wellll, that was pretty delicious! LOL

JBounds
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
With this judge, a conviction will be a miracle. He is so biased in favor of JB and the jury surely sees that.

Too bad, Caylee.
What??

Jstc4caylee
07-01-2011, 02:51 PM
poor lady..she got outta there fast...

allycat1208
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
I thought JB would ask this lady about CA's comments about the pool ladder.

liltexans
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Frank George ends by asking Polisano if she needed to do someone else's work would she log in under he name. She says oh yes.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 1:51 PM

Quiche
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
These commentators need to hush.

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
wonder how late we go tonight?

Hope the state gets their full rebuttal out yet today because JB is going to ask for more time for his sur-rebuttal

sleutherontheside
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
The SA gave the opinion that Dr. Goldberger would be offering to the DT this AM. Let's see if that delay was worth it JB.

Tulessa
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
IMO, there is a palpable change in the air of the courtroom. No, I am NOT there. But, I can feel it from watching.

It's downright foreboding!

OH and I thought it was only me!! :great:

cityslick
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Only if my child committed premeditated first degree murder. :twocents:

Whatever happened to the word 'unconditional'?

NavySubMom
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
I think this is the last rebuttal witness? IMO?.

Bon
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
You would let the state execute your child, regardless of their actions?:waitasec:

It's not a matter of LET...if it were my child I would beg for their life to be spared during the penalty phase.

Would not lie for them on the witness stand or scream it was pizza a week later knowing full well she smelled death in the trunk of Casey's car...

Sleuth5
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Is JB reading cross-examination questions off his mobile phone?

Yes. It is the Magic I-Phone given to him by the little men who helped him construct his defense theory.

hannahsnana
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
You would let the state execute your child, regardless of their actions?:waitasec:

What does "regardless of their actions" mean? Are you referring to the murder of their own child? And it wouldn't be up to me as to the execution. Sorry, my family are truth-tellers. Just don't know another way to live. It's worked for us, so far.

liltexans
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Next witness is Bruce Goldberger. He is professor and director of toxicology at UF
by Jessica Steck/WESH.com at 1:52 PM

Leah0107
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Respectfully, I think it would be more like Cindy feels indignant, and feels she was in the right, and everyone else is lying. She thinks she's 'special'...just like the apple that fell from her tree.

Yeah you're probably right! I think I was projecting how'd I'd be feeling.

rose222
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Gooo Jeff!!!!!

MissSallyAnnie
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
How can JB ask about July 15????????
Just to remind the jury that his client is guilty!

jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Bruce Goldberger is back on the stand Professor and Director of toxicology a a university

Explaining his back round.

MustlyLurking
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
I'm betting it was Casey. :fence:

No, ICA was still on the 31 day party wagon. This was CA getting the cash to pay the tow and storage on the car. This is the day GA and CA went to retrieve the car.

artbuc
07-01-2011, 02:52 PM
Guess JB lost this one.

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
UF toxicologist will tell us Dr G did it right

SyraKelly
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
Yeah, SA got the question in. WHEW.

What ?-missed it!

matou
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
Cindy could have just asked her boss about her "sick dogs" since he is a toxicologist and has a degree in ZOOLOGY... GEEZ

ETA: WESH said this guy was her boss. whoops ignore

jharres
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
Preserving the record for appeal.

How do you mean?

Darla
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
It's over Casey squirm squirm

BCV
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
(I have no children, but this is what I hope I would do. I imagined it was a parent who was accused of murder.) I would not lie to get a murderer off. I'd lie to keep her alive. Look at what happened with Joran van der Sloot. His parents give him an alibi, kept him out of prison. He killed another young woman. I'd never interfere with a criminal case of my child, because you never know if that child would kill again. However, I'd break down and plead for her life.

Not only that, you never know if the child would kill their parents next.

gibby207
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
When they said "toxicologist," did you guys see ICA squirm and fidget????

allycat1208
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
I wonder how they find all these experts.

jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
Will this be the last witness.???

liltexans
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
State is cranking through it's rebuttal witnesses.
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 1:53 PM

Tipstaff
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
I don't think I could lie, as I am not a good liar. It would be like a neon sign plastered on my forehead flashing, 'she's lying'.

But I would throw my body on the courtroom floor and BEG for mercy for my murderous child not to be put to death!!!

wm

I am with you on this sister.

PeteyGirl
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
I'm an RN with about six different username/passwords for various computer programs at my job. I've been a nurse for twenty years, and in the last fifteen, I've used computers every day in my work. Not one single time, EVER, have I shared my password or even been ASKED by another nurse to know his/her password or share it. And I am the type of person folks consider nonjudgmental and maybe an easy "mark".

People that DO do it would never admit it in a court of law or even to each other for gawd's sake. And no one would come behind them and admit they were part of it even if they were. This is almost on the level of diverting narcotics for personal use.

Polifax
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
It's almost like the DT knows their case is toast. Every question Baez has asked of these witnesses seems to be on the weak side.

JBounds
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
I think this is the last rebuttal witness? IMO?.
NO there is suppose to be one who rebutts Dr. Spitz's testimony too, I believe.

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
unconditional love is quite different than aiding and abetting

Justin Tyme
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
He planted a suggestion that she was at the bank. But offers no proof.

If she did step away, would the timestamps of her activity show that she was away long enough to go to the bank, or take a longer trip home and hang out doing web searches.

BUSTED.

Ha ha JB forgot that if she stepped away for 15 minutes that it would log her off.

shezcrafti
07-01-2011, 02:53 PM
But this is unlikely. 20 seconds. I guess its possible CA gave KC use of computer and than KC types in facebook, but it was rather a fast leap.

Oh, I totally agree it's unlikely & unrealistic. But you know if there is so much as an inch of wiggle room, JB will weasel himself in there and attack it. So, IMO, that's why the State is laying everything out as thoroughly as they can, even if it's boring & tedious to everyone who knows better.

faefrost
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
5$ says JB asks him if he is a chemist! :floorlaugh:

cleo612
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
Wow, the inmate looks angry as hell-o! She must know that the end of the hallway is quickly approaching and there is no way out.

goldleaf
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
Next witness is Bruce Goldberger. He is professor and director of toxicology at UF
by Jessica Steck/WESH.com at 1:52 PM

GO GATORS

Dr Goldberger = UF
Grief nurse = FSU

See the difference?

Beyond Belief
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
Side bar, well, thats par for the course.

luv
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/wi4olt.jpg

ZsaZsa
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
Parents can argue for mercy in the penalty phase without having to tell a lie.

Parent who lie during the guilt phase to keep their kids from taking responsibility for their crimes are just plain wrong and commiting a crime themselves.

Part of the reason their kids are in this mess is that they have not let them face responsibility, until the Law forces them to...

susan1122
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
No one will ever convince me that George knew about any "accident". I don't care what the guy's shortcomings are. He loved that little girl and he would have done anything he could to try and revive her had he actually "found her in the swimming pool." It's a sign of the depth of ICA's sociopathy that she would even consider accusing him of something like that.

:cow:

Yep. I am with you. I had not seen any video/footage of GA over the years...so I really had no opinion. But from what I have seen in the last month I think he loved his granddaughter.....so much. He may have lied about the affair?? IDK. But he is very sincere in his love for Caylee and even Casey. But I don't think he lied for ICA. I do think CA did. Well I guess they just proved that!

GA seems truthful and sincere in his love for his family - especially Caylee. He is heart broken, IMO.

MOO.

Softail
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
He used saline. Or as Dr. Spitz likes to call it, "Salty Water". :giggle:

Cailin Rua
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
The State calls John Malkovich.

wenwe4
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
Dr. Goldberger....MS & PhD in forensic toxicology....for the purpose of the law....medical and legal toxicology workup....presence of volitle compounds...work 3000 cases per year...volitle compounds...routinely contacted to anaylze ....remains of child later id'd as Caylee....samples from remains taken...working with Dr. Garavalia day went to ME office in orlando...small piece of femur and marrow from femur...saline washes from cranium...strands of hair, matted hair....(object- sidebar)

bobloblaw
07-01-2011, 02:54 PM
I do love Canada's National Anthem, but I can never quite figure out the last sentence...so I sing it as I hear it

..."Oh! Canada...I bid my troth to thee!!!" I've seen/read too much Jane Austen n such.
Anyone care to correct me? I kind of like my version, 'cause i love Canada and want to marry it IRL.

When are we starting? Wine & Cheese plate in chambers.....w/ a tiny violinist to accent to proceedings?

O Canada!

Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

everyoneneedsavoice
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
All of us at Gentiva worked together in a work sharing program. We gave each other our passwords and covered for each other on a regular basis. If we had to leave the office for some personal business we just got someone to cover. We were all salaried and our manager knew what we were doing. That is why I enjoyed working there so much.

Huh??? I worked in corporate compliance (in New York) for many years (Olsten Kimberly and Gentiva) and can say we / corporate, Medicare and Medicaid certainly weren't aware and it was never identified on an audit while I was working there...:waitasec::waitasec:

Interesting to know...even more interesting to watch the number of audits and compliance activities that will be generated resultant of CA and this trial...

ami
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Bone marrow, etc - no expression.

Clearly she forgot "cry at mention of parenting or remains" memo.

JSR
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
I can understand a mother wanting to save her child (Casey) from the death penalty but lying under oath in a court of law is not the way to do that and frankly I find CA utterly despictable. How about getting down on her knees during the penalty phase and pleading for mercy.

And the funny thing is that after knowingly lying to the jury about the searches the jury is less likely to be sympathetic to her begging and pleading for ICA's life. She has lost credibility with them from this point on.

IF ICA is convicted of 1st degree murder ironically the ONLY Anthony who will be able to save her life will be GA. He is the most sympathetic family member that the jury might be moved to save her life if he asked to have it spared.

And if GA does ask to spare her life that will be the sign of absolute unconditional love.

jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Dr Goldberger was explaining what he received and tested of Caylee

JB has an objection and requests a sidebar.

Tulessa
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Whatever happened to the word 'unconditional'?

Unconditional love would mean making sure my child (if he committed such a horrible act) Would pay for HIS actions and making sure the victim received justice.

TiaM
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Go on with your big, bad self to your Super Secret Sidebar, Jose. You know we'll get to read all about it later, right?

Plumeria5
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Prosecution is tying up every little loose end into a very big tidy bow!!!:fireworks:

Blue Ridge
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Are they going out of order now? I thought there was going to be more computer experts.... at least one to show that the word "chlorophyll" had not ever been searched at all on the A home computer... :waitasec:

SuziQ
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Whatever happened to the word 'unconditional'?

I see it as enabling and endangering the public at large when parents lie to keep their adult children out of jail.

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
really wonder what ICA thinks at this point....does she still expect to walk out arm in arm with CM or is she expecting the mistrial/retrial that JB told her would happen?

Does she see what we see?

hannahsnana
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
wonder how late we go tonight?

Hope the state gets their full rebuttal out yet today because JB is going to ask for more time for his sur-rebuttal

Is the Judge obligated to allow this sur-rebuttal?

BCV
07-01-2011, 02:55 PM
are they talking about "Za Skull" again?

stilettos
07-01-2011, 02:56 PM
Whatever happened to the word 'unconditional'?

Unconditional love has nothing to do with helping your child get away with murder. You love your children no matter what...but you do not lie for them, enable them or help them get out of consequences they earned by their own behavior...it is unconditional love to teach your children to accept responsibility for their behavior.

ynotdivein
07-01-2011, 02:56 PM
Jury now knows Cindy lied on the stand, and that she did not do the searches in March that will prove ICA premeditated her daughter's death. Is CM having fun yet?

shezcrafti
07-01-2011, 02:56 PM
The State calls John Malkovich.

OMG!:floorlaugh: He DOES look a lot like John Malkovich.

ETA: He even sounds like him.

Ninsi
07-01-2011, 02:56 PM
The State calls John Malkovich.

I so needed that!:floorlaugh:

Shadow5618
07-01-2011, 02:56 PM
Are they not going to call Cindy back to call her on her lies?

Mysteeri
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Oh, so Cindy is in on it now since she didn't want to leave work?

Well if she didn`t want to leave work for personal problems july 15th, why would she go to her home and google on internet for a lesser concern.

Darla
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Right about now ICA is smacking her forehead - WTH was I thinking when I decided not to testify?? LOL

angeleleven
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Sure wish the girl on HLN would shut up.

NavySubMom
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
I guess autopsy testimony and info does not upset ICA any more, no thinker pose. IMO.

Amster
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Sorry...I am not in awe of HHJP. Minority opinion, I know. I'll hush.

Bless your heart, Caylee.

faefrost
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
How much is JB's overall pissed off, beat down and desperate tone being picked up by the jury? How does that reflect on the defense case?

BCV
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Unconditional love has nothing to do with helping your child get away with murder. You love your children no matter what...but you do not lie for them, enable them or help them get out of consequences they earned by their own behavior...it is unconditional love to teach your children to accept responsibility for their behavior.

Double thanks

fifteen89
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Wonder if they ever considered getting a second stenotype machine so they don't have to drag it to all these sidebars. Or get a second court reporter to sit at the sidebar area permanently.

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Go on with your big, bad self to your Super Secret Sidebar, Jose. You know we'll get to read all about it later, right?

cracked me up

Cat99
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Huh??? I worked in corporate compliance (in New York) for many years (Olsten Kimberly and Gentiva) and can say we / corporate, Medicare and Medicaid certainly weren't aware and it was never identified on an audit while I was working there...:waitasec::waitasec:

Interesting to know...even more interesting to watch the number of audits and compliance activities that will be generated resultant of CA and this trial...

BBM - I would certainly count on it!

JMO

cityslick
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
What does "regardless of their actions" mean? Are you referring to the murder of their own child? And it wouldn't be up to me as to the execution. Sorry, my family are truth-tellers. Just don't know another way to live. It's worked for us, so far.

Right, so how can you put yourself in CA's shoes and know exactly how you would be? I'm not condoning her lying, but I see it differently. She's trying to remove the 'premed' part of it (ie-remove the DP part of it).

I don't think she thinks ICA is innocent.

Quiche
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
No decomp in the skull cavity shown in analysis.

MustlyLurking
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
JMO ICA is about to take a long trip to the beach with Zanny!

Yellow Rose
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Unconditional love has nothing to do with helping your child get away with murder. You love your children no matter what...but you do not lie for them, enable them or help them get out of consequences they earned by their own behavior...it is unconditional love to teach your children to accept responsibility for their behavior.

I recommend this as post of the day! I couldn't have said this better myself!

Beyond Belief
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
again repreat something for jb, he didn't understand.

azwriter
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
this supervisor of ca looks like she is about ready to cry

And, this is proof of the giant circle of people ICA's lies have gathered in this trial. If Caylee died by accident and ICA reported it to authorities, none of these witness (former boyfriends, meter readers, cops, chemists, girlfriends, private investigators, women with the name River, family members, grief experts, corportate lawyers, detectives and tow yard owners) would have had to appear in court. It's amazing to me how many people, including a 14-member jury from another county, this gal has involved. Amazing.

momtective
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
They poured saline in her baby's skull and shook it...and she just sits there as stone faced as ever!

JustMeDeb
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
Wished the whole trial could have gone this smoothly.

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
missed that what is JB asking?

fifteen89
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
JA opened the door?

strawberry
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
JB sounds defeated.

KenoshaKid
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
Baez wants to talk about the bone marrow collected. HHJP warns him about opening the door...

QueenD
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
"Uh"

is that the way to start out on cross JB

Shyla
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
Baez is a little ticky this afternoon!

TraceyLeigh
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
Anyone? I don't understand what this "residue" business is about?

Softail
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
WOW! JB is grumpy today. Seems like he needs some midol or something.

Quiche
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
They poured saline in her baby's skull and shook it...and she just sits there as stone faced as ever!

She's moved on...

wenwe4
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
JA continues w/Dr. Goldberger....cranial washes - how done...detect volital substances....one is GCMS....how collect wash from the skull....sealed sutures of the skull with wax and added 30 mls of saline shook cranium and did that 2 times and collected 2 tubes....find anything residue decomp of the brain in the skull cavity itself....nothing..

Cross- exam
JB - clarify ...collected something from the femur...objection ...this is what he previously testified to....
HHBP if opened the door ...he may testify to it...

JB may we approach? yes

Debbie3223
07-01-2011, 02:58 PM
is this trial going to be in the Guiness Book of World Records for the most sidebars?

rosepetal1065
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
JB putting on the brakes..aka sidebars jmo

JB Fletcher
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
I like Dr Goldberger. He seems so nice and polite.

~PrinceSSa~
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Why is there NO reaction from ICA when they are talking about her babys SKULL and decomp??????? She looks at the screen as if they are talking about new shoes. My face and eyeballs would be swollen, my nose dripping and red from crying hysterically

marie-chantal
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
These commentators need to hush.

I usually push my mute button whenever they're on. They are useless IMO.

SuziQ
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
I don't think I could lie, as I am not a good liar. It would be like a neon sign plastered on my forehead flashing, 'she's lying'.

But I would throw my body on the courtroom floor and BEG for mercy for my murderous child not to be put to death!!!

wm

I would do the same. And I would expect nothing less from any parent.

allycat1208
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
This toxicologist was a witness before in this case? I don't remember this bloke!

jon_burrows
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
ICA, they are talking about your baby's skull. You should cry like you did when the [unusual person/grief expert/whatever expert] testified.

IMO

artbuc
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
A saline wash would not be a very good solvent to dissolve decomposed brain matter. Too bad JB doesn't know enough to make that point. Room temperature water does not dissolve grease.

jmfstl
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Wow JB comes up and starts talking about the femur bone just what JB had stopped the witness talking about earlier due to JB earlier objection

JA objected

HHJP: if you open the door I will allow the state to go into it

JB: can we have a sidebar so I can explain please

HHJP: sure come on.

cityslick
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
unconditional love is quite different than aiding and abetting

You think she's trying to get ICA off?

I respectfully disagree.

KenoshaKid
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Anyone? I don't understand what this "residue" business is about?

Showing the autopsy was in fact not shoddy. Didn't need to open the skull.

Curious Me
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Bravo, the State just made my day. Dr. G remains a Caylee hero!

GreenTeam
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
I think JA is trying to show that sawing the skull open was unnecessary (which that Spitz guy did?).

MustlyLurking
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Unconditional love has nothing to do with helping your child get away with murder. You love your children no matter what...but you do not lie for them, enable them or help them get out of consequences they earned by their own behavior...it is unconditional love to teach your children to accept responsibility for their behavior.

Unconditional love is what Caylee gave the Ants. ICA put an end to that!

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Is the Judge obligated to allow this sur-rebuttal?

They are supposed to show that new evidence introduced during rebuttal requires it

I would guess HHbp would approve it for appeal reasons

Ninsi
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Huh??? I worked in corporate compliance (in New York) for many years (Olsten Kimberly and Gentiva) and can say we / corporate, Medicare and Medicaid certainly weren't aware and it was never identified on an audit while I was working there...:waitasec::waitasec:

Interesting to know...even more interesting to watch the number of audits and compliance activities that will be generated resultant of CA and this trial...

Everyone, I think** Artbuc was being sarcastic and had donned the voice of CA in rebuttal ??/ Maybe they will come back and clarify, but that is how I took it.. :)

Kat
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Is the Judge obligated to allow this sur-rebuttal?

It is my understanding that if the Defense wished to present a surrebuttal and it was not allowed then that could be seen as a valid reason for appeal. I don't think JP would deny defense this if they requested. JMHO

monique
07-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Wished the whole trial could have gone this smoothly.

It DID....during the SA presentation.

Debbie3223
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
BTW

we need a *LOL* button


magnolia
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
With this judge, a conviction will be a miracle. He is so biased in favor of JB and the jury surely sees that.

Too bad, Caylee.

I think he is biased in favor of JB because Cheney Mason is on the team.

downport
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
If you put your ear really close to the TV you can make out the unmistakable sounds of a very fat woman warming up her vocal cords . . .

Softail
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
Anyone? I don't understand what this "residue" business is about?

It is because Dr. Spitz tried to say that the skull should have been cut in half to look for brain matter.

This Dr. is saying he did a "cranium wash". There was no brain matter. No need to cut open the skull.

ShortPotato79
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
Why is there NO reaction from ICA when they aretalking about her babys SKULL and decomp??????? She looks at the screen as if they are talking about new shoes. My face and eyeballs would be swoolen, my nose dripping and red from crying hysterically

Especially if your child died by accident....hmmm

Sleuth5
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
Wonder if they ever considered getting a second stenotype machine so they don't have to drag it to all these sidebars. Or get a second court reporter to sit at the sidebar area permanently.

LOL, if I was sitting that case I'd have bought another writer to sit over there -- the rushes on the transcripts alone would have paid for that in about a week.

TiaM
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
Unconditional love has nothing to do with helping your child get away with murder. You love your children no matter what...but you do not lie for them, enable them or help them get out of consequences they earned by their own behavior...it is unconditional love to teach your children to accept responsibility for their behavior.

I agree 100%.

To do otherwise would mean one would have a very large character flaw - criminally so - that they unfortunately passed on and reinforced in their child.

momtective
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
missed that what is JB asking?

He asked if something was taken from the femur...apparently opening a door.

pinkfly
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
sidebar

ami
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
Wonder if GA had to leave for the skull testimony. The body guard woman Tracy said George had the hardest time emotionally - I completely believe that.

sarag
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
She's moved on...

She never moved in the first place!

Dr.Fessel
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
Now we will see if JB knows what to do when the door is opened and he is in the room.

Nore
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
are they talking about "Za Skull" again?

Yes they are. This could be important as proving
Dr.G. did not do a shoddy job. I knew I read somewhere
the femur was scraped,skull contents checked..(Senior moment).

fifteen89
07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
Wow JB comes up and starts talking about the femur bone just what JB had stopped the witness talking about earlier due to JB earlier objection

JA objected

HHJP: if you open the door I will allow the state to go into it

JB: can we have a sidebar so I can explain please

HHJP: sure come on.

I thought he said JA opened the door, no?
ETA: JA objected and JP said: If you open the door, they have the right to go through it.

adnoid
07-01-2011, 03:01 PM
Whatever happened to the word 'unconditional'?

It's there, it's just not one I would ever use.

faefrost
07-01-2011, 03:01 PM
I like Dr Goldberger. He seems so nice and polite.

Yeah, he lacks that creepy Dr. Frankenstein feel of pretty much all of the defense experts.( except the crazy grief lady, who is in a class all her own.)

norcat
07-01-2011, 03:01 PM
Yep. I am with you. I had not seen any video/footage of GA over the years...so I really had no opinion. But from what I have seen in the last month I think he loved his granddaughter.....so much. He may have lied about the affair?? IDK. But he is very sincere in his love for Caylee and even Casey. But I don't think he lied for ICA. I do think CA did. Well I guess they just proved that!

GA seems truthful and sincere in his love for his family - especially Caylee. He is heart broken, IMO.

MOO.

Agree, Caylee was his "world"....she is what made life bearable for him.

MissSallyAnnie
07-01-2011, 03:01 PM
And if she's this angry now, what will her reaction be when the verdict is read?

kjpaw
07-01-2011, 03:01 PM
All of us at Gentiva worked together in a work sharing program. We gave each other our passwords and covered for each other on a regular basis. If we had to leave the office for some personal business we just got someone to cover. We were all salaried and our manager knew what we were doing. That is why I enjoyed working there so much.

I would NEVER let anyone else use my log-in...what if they made a huge mistake (particularly in health care huge could mean life ending for a patient) and it was made under your password. I just can't imagine wanting to be covered for enough to risk that...I don't believe CA who seems to have some controlling aspects to her personality allowing that to ever happen.

Athinker2
07-01-2011, 03:01 PM
The sad thing is I totally believe that before all this, CA was an upstanding employee.

perhaps JMO I was thinking poss a bully, my way or the highway type personality based on what I have seen over the last 3 yrs

nursebeeme
07-01-2011, 03:01 PM
does anyone know if the defense can call their own surrerebuttal witnesses???

marie-chantal
07-01-2011, 03:01 PM
Why is there NO reaction from ICA when they aretalking about her babys SKULL and decomp??????? She looks at the screen as if they are talking about new shoes. My face and eyeballs would be swoolen, my nose dripping and red from crying hysterically

My thoughts exactly! We had to put one of our cats to sleep last year when his heart started failing (he was 15) and when the vet called to tell me that his cremated remains were ready for me to pick up, I lost it hearing those words "cremated remains" (and this was an elderly cat-we knew it was time to end his suffering). I cannot imagine how someone could coldly sit there hearing about the remains of a murdered child and not lose it. :banghead: