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beach
06-26-2011, 05:29 PM
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grandmaj
07-03-2011, 08:33 AM
We are live folks with the charge conference.

NoeticSoul
07-03-2011, 08:34 AM
HJP has a spiffy new haircut! :)

ETA he also seems EXTREMELY irritated today :|
snippy with the PT

WOW. :eek:

rose222
07-03-2011, 08:34 AM
I can't breath. Justice for Caylee.

RammerJammer
07-03-2011, 08:35 AM
I'm here...stomach in knots, trying to breathe.

justanother
07-03-2011, 08:35 AM
Is ICA not there?

kyrasmummy
07-03-2011, 08:36 AM
I want to burst into tears. Emotions running high here.

Steely Dan
07-03-2011, 08:36 AM
#Josebaez walks in late after all have stood for #JudgePerry. #CaseyAnthony came in just before Perry.
by bobkealing via twitter at 8:33 AM

:rolleyes:

I hope he gets his :butthead: handed to him on a silver platter after this trial.

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 08:36 AM
where are we watching? cnn (my usual haunt) doesn't have a feed !

sunsetbeach
07-03-2011, 08:36 AM
On no, HHJP is not happy!

twall
07-03-2011, 08:36 AM
Is ICA not there?

yes, she is there, walked in at 8:31

tehcloser
07-03-2011, 08:36 AM
From soup to nuts in writing.............he's not a happy Judge this am.

megsy
07-03-2011, 08:36 AM
Oooh HHJP is upset this morning.

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:37 AM
HHJP NOT in a good mood this morning!!!

sunsetbeach
07-03-2011, 08:38 AM
where are we watching? cnn (my usual haunt) doesn't have a feed !

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

The volume is good on this one (on my puter)

Nali87
07-03-2011, 08:38 AM
JP pissed at JA. Ugh not a good start.

twall
07-03-2011, 08:38 AM
where are we watching? cnn (my usual haunt) doesn't have a feed !

I watch here, no commercials and no ICA if you don't want to watch her! (turn off the chat if it annoys you)

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:38 AM
I think he just wants the SA to C their As! trying to help them out.. me thinks

12skipafew99100
07-03-2011, 08:38 AM
where are we watching? cnn (my usual haunt) doesn't have a feed !

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

Linda7NJ
07-03-2011, 08:38 AM
Good morning! Why is the judge so annoyed?

luvhockey
07-03-2011, 08:39 AM
Judge does not seem happy to be here on a Sunday

(Posted on sidebar, I need breadcrumbs!)

Velouria
07-03-2011, 08:39 AM
"From soup to nuts" - now THERE'S an expression I haven't heard in ages!

HHJP does not seem like a morning person this morning.

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 08:39 AM
ok found a feed - and I know this isn't an acceptable comment but I don't mean it snarky at all - why isn't she dressed better? Softer etc? Her hair should be down too - She looks too harsh.

Softail
07-03-2011, 08:39 AM
Why do we have 2 threads ? :waitasec:

bonjoviblonde
07-03-2011, 08:40 AM
There are two trial threads. A State and Defense one and people are posting in both. Where are we supposed to be? I'm confused.

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:40 AM
Who is this chick? LOL

Steely Dan
07-03-2011, 08:40 AM
where are we watching? cnn (my usual haunt) doesn't have a feed !

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html


On no, HHJP is not happy!


Oooh HHJP is upset this morning.


HHJP NOT in a good mood this morning!!!

If you saw JB walk into your work place every morning you'd be in a bad mood too. JMO

tragco
07-03-2011, 08:41 AM
Posted this on the other thread which is open and confusing me (2 threads) Nejame predicted there would be issues with the indictment.

everyoneneedsavoice
07-03-2011, 08:41 AM
Help!!! I'm confused...there are 2 threads going today...

2011.07.03 TRIAL Day Thirty-four - DEFENSE CLOSING ARGUMENTS - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Wise Old Owl
07-03-2011, 08:41 AM
Hang on - we're working on which one to keep open.

A few technical difficulties - not to worry

Mystic
07-03-2011, 08:41 AM
i have both threads up until i know where to go LOL

QueenD
07-03-2011, 08:41 AM
Why do we have 2-trial threads? Is this an error?

butwhatif?
07-03-2011, 08:41 AM
ICA enters for closing.

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:41 AM
Why do we have 2 threads ? :waitasec:

Dunno!!! Ugh

sunsetbeach
07-03-2011, 08:42 AM
Ok I have seen this young lady before (on the DT) but who is she and why is she doing the talking and not JB?

belle3
07-03-2011, 08:42 AM
ummmmm... why didnt they let this intelligent young lady argue more in ICA defense. Definitely more legal and professional sounding than anyone else on her defense team.

TiaM
07-03-2011, 08:42 AM
2 threads - wish it was just morning and afternoon like always. Can we lock the "defense" one until later?

momtective
07-03-2011, 08:43 AM
LDB wearing purple!

Marina2
07-03-2011, 08:43 AM
LDB wearing purple today.

rose222
07-03-2011, 08:43 AM
OMG LDB is wearing purple!

dunlurken
07-03-2011, 08:43 AM
I'm also confused.

Florida Native
07-03-2011, 08:43 AM
LDB has purple on.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 08:43 AM
yikes I was over on the defense closing statement thread....State should be up first

anyhow...finally here

Hope we get charges rewritten at noon

mentalsolstice
07-03-2011, 08:45 AM
This is the earliest I've been up on a Sunday morning in years! Yikes!

twall
07-03-2011, 08:45 AM
Ok I have seen this young lady before (on the DT) but who is she and why is she doing the talking and not JB?

Her name is Lisabeth Fryer, she is a member of the dt and don't know why she is talking and not JB, could be she wants/needs the experience and they said ok.

ahoyhoy
07-03-2011, 08:46 AM
ok found a feed - and I know this isn't an acceptable comment but I don't mean it snarky at all - why isn't she dressed better? Softer etc? Her hair should be down too - She looks too harsh.

I was surprised she'd let the jury see her in the same shirt so soon. I think she's finally freaked out. Her appearance could be a clue.
I've noticed her forehead is swollen in 'devil horns' worse than usual.

sunsetbeach
07-03-2011, 08:46 AM
The young lady speaking sounds a lil nervous.

Mohabi
07-03-2011, 08:47 AM
Mods, with all due respect, would you please merge the trial threads?

Velouria
07-03-2011, 08:47 AM
She's obviously a newbie but she's far more articulate and professional than her boss, IMHO!

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 08:47 AM
omg I'm lost. Are they trying to get charges dropped (willful child abuse?) or just have the wording changed??

21merc7
07-03-2011, 08:47 AM
#CaseyAnthony The gal speaking for the defense, Lisabeth Fryor is recently out of law school and is volunteering for the defense
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 8:46 AM

Mystic
07-03-2011, 08:47 AM
is anyone understanding the issue earlier that HHJP said from soup to nuts?

Talina
07-03-2011, 08:47 AM
Who is this chick? LOL

I believe that is Lizbeth Fryer. She is in C.Mason's firm and just got her license in April of this year IIRC.

Mare10
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
I find it curious that ICA is in yellow. IIRC Yellow is a contrasting color to purple.

Quiche
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
Boy, she's getting her feet wet...

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
IMO this is not closing this is the charging conference which should be a separate thread. I agree with the two separate threads for State/Defense closing threads

GolferChick
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
I'm surprised they are fashioning jury instructions at this point; shouldn't this have been done already in advance?

Good morning everyone from the Rocky Mountains! Justice for Caylee!

~n/t~
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
Shouldn't they have done this before today? Geeez.

Jen38
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
I'm here...praying for justice....dance among the angels, little Caylee Marie.....

luvhockey
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
Her name is Lisabeth Fryer, she is a member of the dt and don't know why she is talking and not JB, could be she wants/needs the experience and they said ok.


She's obviously a newbie but she's far more articulate and professional than her boss, IMHO!

#CaseyAnthony The gal speaking for the defense, Lisabeth Fryor is recently out of law school and is volunteering for the defense

Wise Old Owl
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
OK listen up

The STATE thread will be open first - the STATE will present first.

Then when the DEFENSE gets up to present we'll switch over to that thread.

When the STATE presents AGAIN AFTER the Defense will switch again.


Dontcha like being pop tarts? :floorlaugh:

Shyla
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
I'm a nervouse wreak!

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
Is this the official thread? I've been up all night and I'm sooo confused!! LOL

21merc7
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
#CaseyAnthony And yes, the jury will work on the 4th of July. So will we:-)
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 8:48 AM

#CaseyAnthony It's possible the jury will be instructed and ready to deliberate before the end of the day
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 8:48 AM

JBounds
07-03-2011, 08:49 AM
TennisLaw Diana Tennis
Catch that, jurors can get first degree murder and to death penalty if some think premeditated and some think child abuse that led to death.

Bon
07-03-2011, 08:49 AM
She's obviously a newbie but she's far more articulate and professional than her boss, IMHO!

I have a "problem" with her because she seems very "friendly" with ICA :banghead:

ExpectingUnicorns
07-03-2011, 08:49 AM
LOL, for a team that plays so loose and wild, they sure want to pin the jury down with rules as narrow as they can get.

imawitch
07-03-2011, 08:49 AM
im confused between the 2 closing argument threads going back and forth im going coo coo for cocoa puffs trying to read both of them lol

mydailyopinions
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
If I were in Orlando, I fix up the State Attorney's an awesome lunch!

Softail
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
OK listen up

The STATE thread will be open first - the STATE will present first.

Then when the DEFENSE gets up to present we'll switch over to that thread.

When the STATE presents AGAIN AFTER the Defense will switch again.


Dontcha like being pop tarts? :floorlaugh:

:giggle: I thought maybe all you wonderful mods were doing shots already! :giggle:

Shyla
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
Judge Perry telling them to get a sandwich brought in if they want to get this jury instructed today....Love him and he isn't playing around.

belle3
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
Wow...u know when you are watching a sports game and its obvious that the team is losing and they send in the bench just to finish out the game?? Sorry ICA!

Bullwinkle
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
Perry: (words to the effect of) "Y'all better make sure you bring yourselves a sandwich if you wanna get through this at noon."

bobloblaw
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
Y'all gonna have to make sure somebody brings you a sandwich today... :great:

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
Oh!!! That's why HHJP is pizzed! he was willing to come in yesterday and apparently no one else wanted to!

mentalsolstice
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
I've been lurking mostly, however, I gotta get it out there I have enjoyed hanging out with y'all. JP just said we need to bring sandwiches in for a working lunch.

~n/t~
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
JP: Suggested they do this yesterday afternoon. They will have to work through lunch today so the Jury get instructions today. UGH

Mystic
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
HHJP sugested they come there yesterday afternoon to do this... appears they should have

shelbar53
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
I think JA sounded nervous first thing. He didnt understand what he was supposed to do and didnt complete what judge asked. They will do that at noon, dont understand what they didnt do. JA was stammering and it seemed like linda took over.

grammieto5
07-03-2011, 08:50 AM
I just got here, JP seems really upset this morning, or is it just me???

~n/t~
07-03-2011, 08:51 AM
Oh!!! That's why HHJP is pizzed! he was willing to come in yesterday and apparently no one else wanted to!

Crazy! More delays.

Ms.Heather
07-03-2011, 08:51 AM
Judge is not happy today... most likely because he wanted to go through this all yesterday (as he stated) and they didn't. I'm guessing this is going to take awhile.

~n/t~
07-03-2011, 08:51 AM
I just got here, JP seems really upset this morning, or is it just me???

Yes, he's not happy. He wanted to do this yesterday afternoon.

Florida Native
07-03-2011, 08:52 AM
OK listen up

The STATE thread will be open first - the STATE will present first.

Then when the DEFENSE gets up to present we'll switch over to that thread.

When the STATE presents AGAIN AFTER the Defense will switch again.


Dontcha like being pop tarts? :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh:

Bumping for others who may not have seen it.

nursebeeme
07-03-2011, 08:52 AM
I don't blame HHJP one bit! They are not prepared (either side)


good morning peeps!!!!

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 08:52 AM
someone explain what's going on?!?! are they just agreeing to the descriptions of the charges??

mom_of_five
07-03-2011, 08:52 AM
Judge is not a happy camper today. Whew.

ahoyhoy
07-03-2011, 08:53 AM
I have a "problem" with her because she seems very "friendly" with ICA :banghead:

If she got a job w/ CM right out of school, she must be very very smart---I think I may try and remember her name next time I kill my child near Orlando & need a Defense attorney.

Nali87
07-03-2011, 08:53 AM
I think Judge Perry wants a verdict today. He doesn't want to waste any time.

sunsetbeach
07-03-2011, 08:53 AM
I find it curious that ICA is in yellow. IIRC Yellow is a contrasting color to purple.

Yellow and Purple are complementary colors (directly across from each other)on the color wheel meaning when mixed at some degree they will make a neutral color (gray etc).

Velouria
07-03-2011, 08:53 AM
I think JA sounded nervous first thing. He didnt understand what he was supposed to do and didnt complete what judge asked. They will do that at noon, dont understand what they didnt do. JA was stammering and it seemed like linda took over.

IMO, women are more accustomed to dealing with cranky folks in the morning. ;)

butwhatif?
07-03-2011, 08:54 AM
DT looking a little glum today.... and DS looks so over it

Bon
07-03-2011, 08:54 AM
Oh!!! That's why HHJP is pizzed! he was willing to come in yesterday and apparently no one else wanted to!

He's the Judge, he should have put his foot down and given them no choice!!!.....because he is sure being nasty today! :(

Softail
07-03-2011, 08:54 AM
CJBP is addressing the closings.

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 08:54 AM
I think the good HHJP is still upset from the imaginary problems that happened on Friday

badhorsie
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
Who is the "ample" looking man sat behind the defence team, he looks familiar?

tragco
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
The whole crux of the matter I think is that are counts 2 and 3 only lesser included offenses (max around 30 years) or if the jury can choose to include the felony (max LWOP or DP) in these offenses.

HHJP says rewrite it to be clear, if I am correct.

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
there's no proof of accidental drowning !! he shouldn't be allowed to mention it !!!!

Eileen730
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
#CaseyAnthony The gal speaking for the defense, Lisabeth Fryor is recently out of law school and is volunteering for the defense

Why did they allow this young woman to do this? Why not one of the TEAM?
Is it not important? And i would have thought they would have hashed this out already.

GolferChick
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
8:54

Bill Sheaffer: They are going through the charges so they could agree.. it should have been done long before now.

shelbar53
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
Can discuss accidental drowning but not molestation

Amster
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
No! I knew he'd give in to JB on the drowning....how sad!

Ms.Heather
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
They can use the accidental drowning in theory? Seriously? Because of the pictures? So Caylee Swam in a pool... maybe she drowned? WTHeck?

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
Ahhh HHJP says there is absolutely no evidence the defendent was molested by her father or her brother.

Nali87
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
No evidence sexually molested!!!

mydailyopinions
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
JP: No evidence of molestation!

megsy
07-03-2011, 08:55 AM
I love that he's handling the evidence of drowning and molestation.

21merc7
07-03-2011, 08:56 AM
I don't understand why some of this was not taken care of yesterday.

HHJP saying accidental drowning okay in Closing, but not sexual abuse.

NoeticSoul
07-03-2011, 08:56 AM
HJP says NO inference allowed about sexual molestation in closing statements.

AnotherGladysKravitz
07-03-2011, 08:56 AM
No evidence of molestation by father or brother! Now THAT woke me up!

Eileen730
07-03-2011, 08:56 AM
there's no proof of accidental drowning !! he shouldn't be allowed to mention it !!!!

And no proof of molestation by her father or brother.

twall
07-03-2011, 08:56 AM
someone explain what's going on?!?! are they just agreeing to the descriptions of the charges??

They are going over the jury instructions, any objections or changes either side wants the judge is hearing that now and objecting or agreeing to it.

QueenD
07-03-2011, 08:56 AM
Yippie HHJP just said there is absolutly no evidence that the defendant was sexually abused by father. Any objections, JB of course has one.

shelbar53
07-03-2011, 08:56 AM
Baez arguing that molestation be let in

beach
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
I am so stoked!!! My stomach is in knots. I cried twice yesterday and I was snippy with everyone who tried to talk to me. lol I went to bed early and pre-made the coffee. 2 cups down and ready to roll!!!

:HHJP:


I can't believe this day is here! It has been 3 years in the making! :anguish:

Eileen730
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
Mothers dont take their 19 yr old daughters to a gyn doctor.

Mare10
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
Yellow and Purple are complementary colors (directly across from each other)on the color wheel meaning when mixed at some degree they will make a neutral color (gray etc).

I wasn't sure but then found this on the Crayola website:
http://www.crayola.com/colorcensus/americas_favorites/display.cfm?color=291
So, IDK :waitasec:

Nali87
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
Ugh what is he blabbing about now? He never had the FBI there testifying about any paternity test.

Softail
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
OMG - JB talking about her irregular periods. :eek:

:lol: CJBP would not know about a gyno exam.

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
:floorlaugh: I love HHJP!

Mendara
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
I didn't go to the gyn until I was 18 big on my own not with mommy

Mystic
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
JB mistelling here... there was no paternity test for Lee
I hope HHJP doesn't allow the sexual abuse in...

21merc7
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
OMG, JB saying b/c KC started her menstrual cycle at 10 and was irregular it could go to molestation. I completely disagree, as {sorry guys} I have the same on both counts, my sister too.

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
oh and my 18 year old has never been to a GYN (she sees her regular ped)....am I in trouble?!?!? :puke:

Mohabi
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
LOL HHJP: "I've never had a gynecological examination".

patriciah
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
who is this new female defense attorney? she's good.

common experiences? I didn't go to the OBGYN till I was 18....

Shyla
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
give me a break! her menstrual cycle is sexual abuse proof! LOL now that is good.

Bullwinkle
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
Perry: "There's absolutely no evidence that the defendant was sexually molested by her father or her brother."

Baez: "...paternity test...Casey was not taken to an OB/GYN...menstrual cycles...phases of the moon...tea in China...I left it at the office."

nursebeeme
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
oh GROSS!!!! I did NOT need to hear that before breakfast

GolferChick
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
Now Baez arguing about ICA not being taken to the gyno?? Evidence of sexual molestation?? Huh, when did we hear this?

Ms.Heather
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
My mother didn't take me to an OB/GYN at all.


Breaking News... Judge Perry never had a OB/GYN Exam!

miss plum
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
HHJBP has never had a gynaecological exam!

luvhockey
07-03-2011, 08:57 AM
ICK JB talking about gynecological exams ICK

Velouria
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
I think the good HHJP is still upset from the imaginary problems that happened on Friday

LOTS of "imaginary" in this case, isn't there?

Imaginary problems

Imaginary friends

Imaginary nannies

Imaginary jobs

Imaginary abuse

Imaginary theories of defense

Imaginary attorneys :whistle:

belle3
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Baez is reaching!!!! I didnt go to the gynecologist for the first time till i was 18 and I was pregnant. Cut it out. Is he for real arguing common sense?? he has to hope beyond hope that none of these jurors acts with an ounce of common sense or his client is toast.

butwhatif?
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
JB: ICA started menstruating at 10. ICA had menstrual problems....are they gonna try a PMDD defense at the 11th hour?

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Look, my mother NEVER took me to a gyn AND since she accused LA of abuse, they gave him a paternity test!!!

Eileen730
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
No one asked Lee if he did.

QueenD
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
HHJP asking is the record evidence of the OBGYN appt. since I have no idea what happens during one of those exams.

I just fell on the floor laughing.

Mystic
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
LOL noone asked Lee anything... go Judge!!

twall
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Common sense-JB-Common sense says LA or GA did not molest ICA!

Bon
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
I am so stoked!!! My stomach is in knots. I cried twice yesterday and I was snippy with everyone who tried to talk to me. lol I went to bed early and pre-made the coffee. 2 cups down and ready to roll!!!

:HHJP:


I can't believe this day is here! It has been 3 years in the making! :anguish:


I am already screaming at the tv and DH is just shaking his head at me.....

Nali87
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Mothers dont take their 19 yr old daughters to a gyn doctor.

I didn't even get the bird and bees talk! And look at me now, pilar of my community! LOL.

Wise Old Owl
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
HHJP (on the subject of an OB/GYN examination) "Well since I've never had ONE of THOSE examinations - I wouldn't know what questions are asked at one of those examinations"

:floorlaugh:

tragco
07-03-2011, 08:58 AM
HHJP talking about whether or not the DT can talk about molestation, sounds like he doesn't want it to be a part of closing argument.

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
HHJP is SO OVER it at this point! U can tell! :lol:

Velouria
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
who is this new female defense attorney? she's good.

common experiences? I didn't go to the OBGYN till I was 18....

She's a volunteer legal assistant fresh out of law school and she's better n' Baez.

logicalgirl
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
Good Grief - no one closed the sidebar door and many of us are still over there!

nursebeeme
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
oh blather!!!!!

Talina
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
Oh. My. Word. Baez has totally lost it if he truly believes what he is saying that someone can infer sexual molestation from what he has said.

Quiche
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
So much hot air, nothing in evidence... mo

andalso
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
You have got to be kidding me, I can't believe what JB is saying..... what a joke.

21merc7
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
Okay, JB is plucking my last nerve with his psuedo theories, no Doctors to back it up, and continuing on this way. Did I expect less, no.

AnotherGladysKravitz
07-03-2011, 08:59 AM
oh and my 18 year old has never been to a GYN (she sees her regular ped)....am I in trouble?!?!? :puke:

Me either, oh geez, maybe we can share a cell? :floorlaugh:

nursebeeme
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
Good Grief - no one closed the sidebar door and many of us are still over there!

we are leaving it open all day so you guys have choices today:rocker:

AliVada
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
He hasnt had any experts testify about abuse and early promiscuity?

wtheck?

why does he call her child ?

Mohabi
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
I just KNEW that JB would find something to waste time on....

momof7
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
Baez...come on...if you believe he molested her why didn't you EVEN ASK

What strategy prevented you from bringing this into evidence? Does anyone know what that means?

No Expert testimony that ICA acted the way she did soley from sexual abuse.

Kelly

rosepetal1065
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
HHJP calling..out JB yet again..re: LA and the sexual abuse claims...he flat asked him, what so many of us were wondering..when he was on stand, why didn't you ask him(LA) then..if he sexually abused her..of course JB had no real answer for that....

Nali87
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
JB: ICA started menstruating at 10. ICA had menstrual problems....are they gonna try a PMDD defense at the 11th hour?

Ugh. It's called hormones. My auntie came early too.

RammerJammer
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
Another jaw-dropping Baez moment.

Softail
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
I really hope CJBP tells him he can't do this! Ridiculous! :gavel:

Mendara
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
Jose is arguing that her lying is proof she was molested and sexually abused.

Enola
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
Someone didn't search 'incest' 84 times...

pinkfairy
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
OMG!!! Is JB serious???? This is crazy talking.

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
I don't think HHJP will let this in no matter what JB says. He has already made his mind up

frogger
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
ICA started her period at 10 (that seems early even by today's standards).

The Judge's tone is very different today: I wonder how much of that is because of the point we're at in the trial and how much is simply because this is Sunday.

JB's sexual molestation argument: he's spouting off all this "knowledge" about how molestation affects the victim, but offered not a single witness during the trial that offered testimony to this effect!!! Where were the sexual abuse survivor experts????

CHCL3
07-03-2011, 09:00 AM
Baez:

YouTube - ‪Peanuts teacher‬‏

SyraKelly
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
is CA,GA in the courtroom?

badhorsie
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Oh shut up JB and lets get on with it FFS, grasping at straws? much?

Ms.Heather
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Shut it Baez! The judge needs to stop his ramblings

THese things do NOT in any way shape or form point to sexual abuse by her father, and/or her brother.

gingerbreadbagels
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
ICA was 19. She wasn't a child. She can make her own appointment to see the gyno. If she's old enough to be having sex, she's old enough to make her own appointment for the doctor.

Nali87
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
HHJP calling..out JB yet again..re: LA and the sexual abuse claims...he flat asked him, what so many of us were wondering..when he was on stand, why didn't you ask him(LA) then..if he sexually abused her..of course JB had no real answer for that....

And now we know why the state didn't bring it up either! Brilliant.

TUSK
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
jb giving his closing statement to jp.

Talina
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Why does HHJP let him go on and on and on???

Shyla
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
I will be sick if Judge Perry allows this in.

ahoyhoy
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
oh and my 18 year old has never been to a GYN (she sees her regular ped)....am I in trouble?!?!? :puke:

EXACTLY. The point about a gyno is you don't have to go til you are sexually active, or are about to, OR if you get to be like 19 or 20 and still a virgin, go ahead from there.

This whole argument WAS NEVER IN EVIDENCE JB.

MAL954
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Since Cindy let in the credit card theft, isn't there as much justification for the prosecution to introduce it as the defense KC's alleged abuse?

miss plum
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Good faith and this DT are strangers.

grammieto5
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
So all this BLAH BLAH BLAH from JB, JP wanted him to do this yesterday?

tragco
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Baez wanting to tell the story of molestation without any evidence.

Mohabi
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
It's only 8:00 am here and I am craving a drink. JB is getting on my last nerve.

GolferChick
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Is this argument from Baez being made in front of the jury? You haven't been told to start your closing argument yet Baez....cmon Judge, shut him down.....

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
oh blather!!!!!

I like that word "blather" A new one for my vocabulary.

Moe
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
If HHJP rules against JB on molestation, the DT's closing will be over in ten minutes.

Themis
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
JB's arguments to HHJP are the real windows into his mind and how he viewed the case.

21merc7
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Me thinks JB's entire closing is based on drowning and molestation. Yep, should have been there yesterday like the Judge asked.

belle3
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
I am so stoked!!! My stomach is in knots. I cried twice yesterday and I was snippy with everyone who tried to talk to me. lol I went to bed early and pre-made the coffee. 2 cups down and ready to roll!!!

:HHJP:


I can't believe this day is here! It has been 3 years in the making! :anguish:

Were u being a modsnip to ur loved ones. LOL!!! :floorlaugh:

Hunnie
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
I'm here...praying for justice....dance among the angels, little Caylee Marie.....

Lets everyone who has a candle at home light it in prayer for Caylee

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
we are leaving it open all day so you guys have choices today:rocker:

Thanks, nurse! :rocker: Good to have the option to head right over to the sidebar during court so we don't clutter up this thread!

momshrink
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Why did they allow this young woman to do this? Why not one of the TEAM?
Is it not important? And i would have thought they would have hashed this out already.


this young woman, L Fryer, is the best of the DT in my opinion. Lacks experience, but knows her law.

Tulessa
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Links in siggy. :)

Mendara
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Did Jose prepare his closing including the sexual abuse? Is he prepared not to include? Or will he need more time?

logicalgirl
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
we are leaving it open all day so you guys have choices today:rocker:

But you already have us trained like sheep! Who knew we could decide!

sissyjane
07-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Sounds like blah, blah, blah to me JB!

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
omg it is not equal to chloroform...if Casey got on the stand, they would have asked her if she made it !!!!

twall
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
Blah, blah, blah

Oakley
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
Jose believes if he says it enough times, and argues it with enough conviction, it will become true. Isn't that Magical Thinking?

mom_of_five
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
Count me as yet ANOTHER 'common sense' female who was NEVER taken to the ob/gyn by my mother. The first time I went to an ob, I was already out of my teens, pregnant (and married). Buzz, JB.

Jen38
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
I am already muting before I throw my laptop. Grrrrr.......

strawberry
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
Hey! Noone gave us the magic carpet ride from the sidebar! We all had to walk!

pinkfairy
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
Can't wait to hear HJBP's answer to JB when his done with his speech. "SUSTAINED!"

Softail
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
JA - Innuendo is not evidence! :gavel:

kljohnson0458
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
Is her going to the gyno at 19 wrong? I didn't think so. I believe I was 18 having bad cramps and being put on the pill. so JB what is your flippin point??????????

gelfie68
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
Just for the record, I have 3 girls-I did not take them to the OB/GYN AND they all had irregular cycles.

Mysteeri
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
I can`t listen to JB, sorry. "Shared secrets"- no prove it was abuse.

TortillaChip
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
I don't understand why some of this was not taken care of yesterday.

HHJP saying accidental drowning okay in Closing, but not sexual abuse.

Cannot agree more, only thing I remember was JA, asking for 8:30 am. I don't understand why they couldn't have some closing at least yesterday. Or as you say, do all of this.........I am surprised that JP did not make them go over this Friday.

Brattigirle
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
Jose may need to reword his closing.....I hope.

Wise Old Owl
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
One must ask:

"WHY didn't ICA get up there and testify to this alleged molestation - it was the only way it would have gotten in."

Tiki
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
I suspect DT closing argument is all about sexual molestation.
jmo

.

Steft50
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
I am already screaming at the tv and DH is just shaking his head at me.....


Same here, although my spouse is downstairs yelling at Baez too.

KenoshaKid
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
oh and my 18 year old has never been to a GYN (she sees her regular ped)....am I in trouble?!?!? :puke:

I work at Student Health in a large university and believe me, more than half of the female students have never had a gyn exam before coming to Student Health.

miss plum
07-03-2011, 09:02 AM
CJBP: State do you agree with that?

JA:No Sir.

*miss plum faints from shock*

strawberry
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
this young woman, L Fryer, is the best of the DT in my opinion. Lacks experience, but knows her law.

I just said in the sidebar JB should have given her the reigns.

megsy
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
No facts in evidence of molestation! :clap

beach
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Baez screwed himself up with his opening statement and now he wants to be able to talk about inferences, not evidence.

I am so glad I will not have to ever listen to that man again after today! :great:

shelbar53
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
molestation NOT allowed in

Mare10
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
whoo hoo, no facts or evidence in molestation.

Tulessa
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
CNN not carrying it, wow!

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Wahooo!!! half the defense's theory out the window!!!

GolferChick
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Thank you Judge!!! Yes, molestation not allowed in closing statement by Defense.

JBounds
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Jose believes if he says it enough times, and argues it with enough conviction, it will become true. Isn't that Magical Thinking?
He will say it 84 times.

tragco
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
HHJP says that Baez can't argue molestation.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
yes, no evidence of attempted sexual abuse

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
HHJP !!! Love you ! Thanks for throwing out that molestation.

Wait only for Lee??

marlap
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
GO HHJP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO EVIDENCE of molestation!

andalso
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
I hope GA and LA are in court for this! Are they?

Bullwinkle
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Perry: "(There are) no facts in evidence...that George or Lee molested or attempted to molest Miss Anthony."

The Farm
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Ye-haaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Go judge!

ZsaZsa
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Lets everyone who has a candle at home light it in prayer for Caylee

I'll do that now! I'll also be humming 'You are my sunshine' all day.

Mendara
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Judge Perry rocks no he can't use the sexual abuse.

imawitch
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
whoooooooooooooo go Judge Perry!

strawberry
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
YES!! Did anyone catch a hint of sarcasm when HHJP said there is no proof LA CREEPED into her room.

Steely Dan
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
ICA enters for closing.

If she had been wearing purple I would have vomited. :sick:

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
Don't push it JA!!! LOL

QueenD
07-03-2011, 09:03 AM
HHJP says no evidance of the molestation by LA or GA

NoeticSoul
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
HJP still says NO inference of molestation allowed.

Eidetic
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
Why are you guys posting here and not in the sidebar thread? Seems like more work for the mods and adds more confusion for those who have to read along, imo.

Themis
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
Baez:

YouTube - ‪Peanuts teacher‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrbumvF-Oe4)

This is the perfect description for listening this morning. :floorlaugh:
What a find. Thanks so much!

beach
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
Were u being a modsnip to ur loved ones. LOL!!! :floorlaugh:

Yes! I was so snippy with everyone! :floorlaugh:


:iamashamed:

logicalgirl
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
I am getting sooo annoyed at Baez for this argument - and bringing it up at this late date - get real Baez - you blew it - no evidence!

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
GO HHJP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO EVIDENCE of molestation!

:rocker: No evidence or INFERENCE! woohoo

Softail
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
:great:

:HHJP:

JA is going to do closing, or so it seems.

ZsaZsa
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
HHJP Is not in a mood to be messed with today..

rose222
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
Casey GLARING at Judge Perry.

dog.gone.cute
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
You have got to be kidding me, I can't believe what JB is saying..... what a joke.

I agree ... omg ... JB is absolutely unbelievable ! He is really pushing it !:banghead:

Good Morning ... and Justice for Caylee !


Happy Fourth of July

:fireworks::fireworks::fireworks:

rosepetal1065
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
The inmate...looks upset that her story is not being told...should have took the stand...too late now.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 09:05 AM
Dr Rodriquez instructions

gngr~snap
07-03-2011, 09:05 AM
irregular cycles are normal the first few years. CA should have gone to the OB herself
she felt Caylee moving!

there's your sign!

Marina2
07-03-2011, 09:05 AM
JA - Can the state point out the fact that no evidence of sexual molesting was presented.

HHBP - Burden shifting is the issue. State can bring that up only if the defense opens the door.