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RevMSwain
07-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Please explain to me why people just don't leave the water bottle top OFF rather than screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on... over and over and over again. Annoying!

Jb needs that dramatic pause in order to gather his thoughts and continue his lies and attack credible witness testimony. Now he is calling the nanny her imaginary friend. Wow, he really bought into the grief therapists magical thinking nonsense.

GreenTeam
07-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Our own Tricia! :blowkiss:

websleuths Tricia Griffith
Baez pointing out family dysfunction. This is the strongest point the defense has in my opinion

I had a dysfunctional family, but I didn't kill anyone.

newsjunkie
07-03-2011, 03:11 PM
So they are admitting Eric Baker is imaginary? I wonder who she is claiming is the father now?

Mystic
07-03-2011, 03:11 PM
I know this isn't going to be popular, but Jose is scoring some good points. I definitely am saying no DP now.

i understand what you mean but closing is not evidence

anyone can stand up there and critique every aspect of the case but does the evidence reflect what he's saying... anyway that's what I hope the jurors consider

JusticeSeeker1960
07-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Does he have vodka or something in his water? He just keeps acting crazier and crazier.

I'd have to have....

JustMeDeb
07-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Guess who starred in Natural Born Killer - Juliette Lewis

Turnadot
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Am I the only one that believes that Baez has done better than I expected on swaying the jury. I really worry because even I, although I've followed it from day 1, sometimes see his points and think today he's provided a few hits to the SA's argument especially the chloroform following Myspace.....all of this is MHO and I am way too soft.
He isn't totally flopping, IMO, but remember we still have the State's rebuttal.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
So the pool ladder picture....

no pregnancy at wedding

Oakley
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
MarkNeJame Mark NeJame
#josebaez strongest points r on chloroform. State Will get focused on w rebuttal. Patience, State has this. #caseyanthony @issueswithjvm

Liz
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
"It's like going to the movies and sitting there and waiting", says Baez.

What a coinkydink! That's what I'm feeling right now. lol

Dignity4Victims
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Question: why would the tape be stuck to the skull, if it had originally been stuck to the skin of the face?

The duct tape was stuck to Caylee's hair.

The ME had to literally scissor it out.

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Yes, JB she is INSANE!!! You should have thought of that 3 years ago! Too late now!

Friday
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Baez knows that he has no legitimate arguments for his client and is slinging insults any which way he can. This is sickening beyond belief!

I HOPE you're right, because I'm afraid the jury will be very much in sync with him up until now.

Benchwarmer
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Sorry folks I am in here late today

What the heck is wrong with Baez's voice?

Softail
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
That's right JB - Something isn't right! :gavel:

:gavel:

Socprof
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Baez: "Can you imagine an hour and a half, sitting in a parking lot, waiting for this girl who never appears?" An hour-and a half!"

Can you imagine leaving your dead child's body in a car in Florida for three days?!?

TortillaChip
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Again helping the DA's case, he can't help it, he doesn't get it, it sounds bad for your client JB!

Wholehearted
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
The poster looks even worse with the new picture taped on. Unreal.

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
"An hour and a half! That's like going to a movie!" ~Jose

Huh?

No that's like listening to you drone on and on...

21merc7
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
I see we quickly got a new KC pic for center of imagi felt poster

KR2tonenow
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
I think its funny that JB says the "Family lies".... yet we are suppose to believe all this BS.

Leah0107
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
I'd give you that one IF IF IF it had anything to do with the case. IMO it doesn't so it's irrelevant.

Agreed!

future criminologist
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
He has calmed down and actually made a point. Cindy should have known that Casey is pregnant. He really did score a few points there.

But IMO the whole "we didn't know CA was pregnant" shows that CASEY was in denial of her pregnancy and lying about it and that Cindy was willing to believe her at every turn. But either way it doesn't prove accidental death vs. murder, just history of Casey's lies and Cindy's denial of those lies.

lettersinkanji
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
JB: "This has nothing to do with Caylee's death."

Then why is he even bringing this up? This trial is about Caylee's death and justice for Caylee. Why bring things up that have nothing to do with her death?

Brassband
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Yes, by all means, remind us what a liar she is!

HOTNTX
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Imaginary friends my a$$!!! These are not the delusions of a 5 year old!

These people are nothing more than blatant lies that KC conjured up to perpetuate her lies.:banghead:

ljwf22
07-03-2011, 03:12 PM
I don't get the plate of food with a bug analogy. I really don't. :waitasec:
As usual, he didn't tie it in.

QB.
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
That imaginary friends board complete with graphics is hysterical.

smart blonde
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
I think Baez' 'Imaginary Friends' board may backfire on him bigger than he can realize.

Really bad idea.

BetteDavisEyes
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Casey should be showing emotion but is surprisingly stoic. I'm convinced that she got some drugs during the lunch break. She looks sleepy.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
they did realize there was something wrong but also that she was guilty

gitana1
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Guys, JB can try to poke all the holes he wants, but his hole poking must make sense. He has no theory of defense. He could not prove his theory and since he proffered one, proving it was necessary. He failed to do that.

technicalconfusion
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
MarkNeJame Mark NeJame
#josebaez strongest points r on chloroform. State Will get focused on w rebuttal. Patience, State has this. #caseyanthony @issueswithjvm

pinup
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Why? A pregnancy in the beginning stages is EASY to hide. Countless teens do it everyday. It's not like Cindy was buying her tampons or helping her get dressed in the morning. All you need is baggy clothes.

Agreed. I once had a coworker that I saw every day, and she managed to hide her entire pregnancy from me, her family, and our other coworkers. We only found out the morning she went into labor. AND she had the same build as ICA.

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
LDB looks like she's just about had it!

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Sorry folks I am in here late today

What the heck is wrong with Baez's voice?

No one knows, but it caused my dog to leave the room! :floorlaugh:

Leah0107
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
We need to handle this investigation in a different manner - like what???? Because she's a liar?

Serjen
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Oh yah, they needed to handle ICA with kid gloves because she is a pathological liar? Is he kidding??

Stella5
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Jose... this isn't helping your client.

grandmaj
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Baez is enforcing that there is something wrong with Casey....... Go ahead Baez bolster that she is so irrational she is capable of anything.

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
suggesting she is a nut now....

BeanE
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
MarkNeJame Mark NeJame
#josebaez strongest points r on chloroform. State Will get focused on w rebuttal. Patience, State has this. #caseyanthony @issueswithjvm
3 minutes ago

21merc7
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Sorry folks I am in here late today

What the heck is wrong with Baez's voice?

losing voice, the end of the hall, it's all over, self combustion

Themis
07-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Did he say Caylee had a half brother in Kentucky?

RR0004
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
I must be seeing things...I could have sworn the original picture said the word "zanny" right next to her picture...got so excited that they were using it for a reason..I was so wrong!

angeleleven
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
How much more time does the SA have after JB finishes?

TiaM
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
He has calmed down and actually made a point. Cindy should have known that Casey is pregnant. He really did score a few points there.

Or it's possible that Cindy thought it was none of her brother's business, and completely inappropriate to be discussing during his wedding.

AnotherGladysKravitz
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
"a drunk guy on the street who just lost his job"? Wha...?

rosepetal1065
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
LE did think something was wrong her..that's why she was the ONLY focus of the investigation..

Justin Tyme
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Casey should be showing emotion but is surprisingly stoic. I'm convinced that she got some drugs during the lunch break. She looks sleepy.

I think that JB is boring her.

NavySubMom
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Can't wait for CM's part now that JB has gone on and on and on, just because you HAVE 4 hrs doesn't mean you need to use the whole 4 hrs. Sometimes Less is More. IMO.

zoey
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
I've waited more than two hours for my sister several times.

back2back19
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Am I the only one that believes that Baez has done better than I expected on swaying the jury. I really worry because even I, although I've followed it from day 1, sometimes see his points and think today he's provided a few hits to the SA's argument especially the chloroform following Myspace.....all of this is MHO and I am way too soft.

Well, he's doing his job. I think he's doing better than I expected and making some points but it also gets lost when he starts attacking people, etc. I'm glad he brought his 'A' or 'B' game today; Casey, as guilty as I think she is, deserves that. Hopefully, whoever does the rebuttal will bring their 'A' game as well.

Leah0107
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Added up to guilt!

Doodlelover
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
OMG me and my imaginary friend need a drink.

We can't take much more of this.

Softail
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Oh boy! Now he is comparing her to a drunk person? :waitasec:

gngr~snap
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
"Dream Weaver" = REO SPEEDWAGON

I've just closed my eyes again
Climbed aboard the dream weaver train...

rbrnmw2
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
:fence:
I bet CA wants to take her hammer to him about now. She lied for him and KC, at his urging no doubt.

ITA this man is a walking travesty

technicalconfusion
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Casey should be showing emotion but is surprisingly stoic. I'm convinced that she got some drugs during the lunch break. She looks sleepy.

I think she's bored, myself.

Steft50
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StJohn
He is referencing that the defense expert forensic pathologist, Dr Spitz, served as forensic pathologist on the commission that investigated the death of Dr Martin Luther King in the '60s. In addition, Dr Spitz served on the commission that investigated the death of President John F. Kennedy.

Yes, he did - when I was a child - now I am old and so is Dr. Spitz....but he is much much older than me.



Yes, he did - when I was a child - now I am old and so is Dr. Spitz....but he is much much older than me.

This is why I asked (ok, yelled at my tv) what this man has done in THIS century, or at least in the 90's that puts him current with how things are done for skeleton exams. Remember, you can't autospy a skeleton, the bone guy told you that. You don't have tissues, you don't have brain matter, you don't have internal organs...there is nothing to autospy expect the condition of the bones including of there are any marks that don't belong.

newsjunkie
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Hop on a plane? With what money?

Cubby
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
That's right JB - Something isn't right! :gavel:

:gavel:


Honestly, he thinks he's on the pulpit.

jmo

susan1122
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
I got out the ironing board - not done that in 30 years. This is horrendous to listen to.

Can the 911 calls be played by SA now?

LOL...you are not the only one ioring!

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
I wish there was a little side door type opening on the side of Casey's head so we could open it up, peek in and see what's in there. That look is odd.

RammerJammer
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
My 19-year-old son just said if he had just turned this on, he would think Baez was the Prosecutor.

Mandy113
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
JB has done an excellent job proving ICA is an excellent & creative liar. Those big, mean policemen should have given Casey special treatment. Darn them for demanding she tell them the truth about where Caylee was.

JMO

Nana46
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
AAAhhhhh she has issues...........you think?:banghead::great:

driver
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Of course Jose doesn't need notes for his closing argument. He is doing what he does best - bullch*tt*ng.

tut med
07-03-2011, 03:14 PM
didn't he just say a crime-thought the defense was an accident?

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Phantom jury starts throwing imaginary tomatoes at JB

.....off to finish magical thoughts

JustMeDeb
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Today's DUH moment - There is something wrong with this girl.

grammieto5
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
OMG I just can't walk away!! Of course my puppy Molly picks now to sleep LOL

little lulu
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
how much longer does he have?

Liz
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
OMG...Hasn't this been going on for 4 hours yet??? :bang: :banghead:


We should have set a timer!

I think he's only been going for about an hour. It just feels like FOUR!

GolferChick
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
OK, so your defense is that Casey is a wingnut?

Turnadot
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
"a drunk guy on the street who just lost his job"? Wha...?
OK, what was THAT?

I have to stop listening because my baby crawled in my lap. I'll rely on you fine folks!

AnotherGladysKravitz
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Did he say Caylee had a half brother in Kentucky?

Don't we all?:crazy:

luv
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/2v96noo.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/2a9nm6f.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/15nvbbm.jpg

TiaM
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Casey should be showing emotion but is surprisingly stoic. I'm convinced that she got some drugs during the lunch break. She looks sleepy.

Busy perfecting her "poor, pitiful me" face.

Nali87
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
So let me see, if the police is convinced someone did it, they should waste precious resources (a lot of kids go missing) and manpower focusing on other people when all the evidence is pointing to just one!? Give me a freaking break Jose. Better yet, go sit down!

Oakley
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
TrialNotes Trial Notes
This is dangerous, what he's doing about the lies. Making them sound even more incredible than state did. If jury doesn't buy, worse for her

BeanE
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Is he about to put lipstick on Dr G??

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg610/scaled.php?tn=0&server=610&filename=6kclc.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

http://twitter.com/#!/ScorpyoRising/status/87598907546288129

JusticeSeeker1960
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Fake tears on the way...

are we gonna see the head shaking?

gelfie68
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
http://t.co/Yg3GbON possibly offensive LOL

SallyLu
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Now I've gone loopy and am falling about laughing over Jeff not showing up for a BBQ.

Rapunzel
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
I got out the ironing board - not done that in 30 years. This is horrendous to listen to.

Can the 911 calls be played by SA now?


I hope you're going to iron and not beat yourself with it...

ohiogirl
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Did he say Caylee had a half brother in Kentucky?

What the what?

Stella5
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
How much more time does the SA have after JB finishes?

2 hours & 43 minutes :)

RR473
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
JB lost me. He started very well before lunch but now boring, repeating his sentences 3-4 times either in exactly same way or slightly differently. This is outrages ... this is unacceptable, you should not accept these fantasies ....

poco
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
IMAGINERY FRIENDS? I though she was found to be sane and COMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL. People who have imaginery friends are not competent to stand trial because they do NOT CONNECT WITH THE REAL WORLD!!!!

Imaginery friends are lies - nothing more, nothing less.....
Just like imaginery jobs........

FLmom777
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Okay, who wants to meet me @ JB's office with the offer to help him pack his office, if he would just agree to leave and never return?

Tipstaff
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
He just said 'cover-up makes more sense'. Oh my God he just admitted his clients guilt to the jury with an excuse.

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Casey wasn't GRIEVING! Goodness come on now.

tragco
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Killing your child is not an "unhealthy coping skill." Sorry, Baez, I disagree.

lindajackson
07-03-2011, 03:15 PM
...and...this keeps you from knowing how to dial 911 when your baby drowns how???

lowens1975
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Yet, she's been seen by 5 or 6 psychiatrists and they all say she's competent??

MustlyLurking
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Someone please wake me up when he gets to the dead pets!

NavySubMom
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
IMO, ICA needs more than "issues", he should have some real psych diagnosis at this point to make this more emphatic for me. IMO. Just "issues" does not = murder.

flourish
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
"issues"

She had "issues," so don't look at all the lies behind the curtain, dorothy

:devil:

SarahEcho
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
There is a discoloration in the back of the ears, says Baez. Unfortunately her ears were no longer there, Baezzzzz! argghhhh!

He didn't explain that one very well, indeed. Huh, what? What he was talking about was Battle's Sign, which we wouldn't see on a naked skull, but the bone injury in question would show damage if explored.

Skull Fractures
Isolated linear nondepressed fractures with an intact scalp are common and do not require treatment. However, life-threatening intracranial hemorrhage may result if the fracture causes disruption of the middle meningeal artery or a
major dural sinus. Depressed skull fractures are classified as open or closed, depending on the integrity of the overlying scalp. Although basilar skull fractures can occur at any point in the base of the skull, the typical location is in the petrous portion of the temporal bone. Findings associated with a basilar skull fracture include hemotympanum, otorrhea or rhinorrhea, periorbital ecchymosis (“raccoon eyes”), and retroauricular ecchymosis (Battle's sign).

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TortillaChip
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
He is actually telling the jurors that lying = dead child therefore the SA should have just let go.

Dear Prudence
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
RichardHornsby: Is it me, or has anyone else noticed that even the court reporter is looking at Baez like he's crazy? #CaseyAnthony

LOL! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

JBounds
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
Is it me, or has anyone else noticed that even the court reporter is looking at Báéz like he's crazy? #CaseyAnthony

Curious Me
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
not safe, but a neutral place

RR0004
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Baez is enforcing that there is something wrong with Casey....... Go ahead Baez bolster that she is so irrational she is capable of anything.
I'm so confused...she invented these people before?...no I don't think so.

2anthro
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
That imaginary friends board complete with graphics is hysterical.

I'm going to make 1 for myself: brad pitt, johnny depp, gary cooper, etc.

mydailyopinions
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
I wonder if JB remembers that he told this jury that they were the VERY FIRST to know what happened to Caylee? All while he parades all of Casey's lies in front of them?

pinup
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
ICA just pursed her lips when JB said he wasn't proud of her behavior.

Soju
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Finger quotes ! I HATE that!

Oakley
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Did Casey say a 'neutral place' or a 'safe place?'

I thought she said a 'neutral' place.....

Leah0107
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
ok, so your defense is that casey is a wingnut?

lol!!!!

JusticeSeeker1960
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
enough already

Quester
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
U N C L E ! !

Please stop!

Jorjamay
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
My 19-year-old son just said if he had just turned this on, he would think Baez was the Prosecutor.

hubbie said the same thing

DairyGirl
07-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Am I losing my mind or is this only half way over?

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
MN says hold on state has this so I shall take deep breaths and stack books back on shelf and lift printer back off floor and set chair back upright now

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
JB says he's not proud of Casey's actions.....
Is that look on her face supposed to be embarrassment?

Shyla
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
She's not crazy, she is mean as hell!!!

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
The end of the hall is within sight.

krt
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
"Dream Weaver" = REO SPEEDWAGON

I've just closed my eyes again
Climbed aboard the dream weaver train...

FYI Gary Wright - Dreamweaver (1976) I've just closed my eyes again Climbed aboard the dream weaver train Driver take away my ...

Tulessa
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
Did he say Caylee had a half brother in Kentucky?

Yes, and I was screaming, *don't you dare drag Kentucky into this*. :floorlaugh:

marie-chantal
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
Did he say Caylee had a half brother in Kentucky?

Actually he said "step brother", but that would be impossible unless Caylee's father or mother married someone with a child of their own (and it would be irrelevant in this case). I think he actually meant to say "half-brother".

I'd still like to know who the father is. I doubt even Casey knows.

zoey
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
She had no money to flee. Remember your down payment ? Yeah sell picures of Caylee. He makes me ill. Guri didn't come up with feeling safe at Tonys Ica did.

Beyond Belief
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
about 2 hours

KR2tonenow
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
http://t.co/yg3gbon possibly offensive lol

lmao!

Whisperer
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
Anyone have a Countdown Timer?

Tipstaff
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
Excuses excuses excuses will not absolve murder.

RR0004
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
How much more time does the SA have after JB finishes?
Doesn't CM still have to go?

Grammaof4
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
Obviously, JB didn't listen to all the Defense lawyers last night
on Fox saying he needs to keep his Cs Simple .
he should have used bullet points, instead of all this meandering and slandering, contradicting himself.
The only point I think he has is where and how she made the chloroform.
If she did use it, I think she bought it.
He is making me crazy, and we still have to listen to mumbling CM yet!:sick:
Jmo

Nova24
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
I wouldn't keep pointing out what a good liar and an excellent manipulator she is.

logicalgirl
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
How much more time does the SA have after JB finishes?

At least 2 hours and forty three minutes...

Shelby1
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
Please explain to me why people just don't leave the water bottle top OFF rather than screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on... over and over and over again. Annoying!


It's to keep those pesky blowflies out.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
YES...she killed somebody to get her freedom

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
Baez is seriously LYING about the situation.

21merc7
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
JB just said Tony was her motive!

State did not make that clear.

KC sitting there looking like an inmate.

Sleuths4Me
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
anyone have their stop watch going? Hopefully he just talks and talks so CM can't get up and he can't come back and close

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 03:17 PM
If you're Casey, that's exaclty what you do.

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
they didn't find anything whatsoever having to do with chloroform. But they were hoping. Let's hope.

If that wasn't enough, Dr. G's real purpose was to tell you how Caylee's remains were treated afterwards. Dr. Warren was a real fantasy man. he showed you a video of a smiling Casey and Caylee with duct tape that he got off of the Internet, includes the duct tape in Photoshop, and there you go. The new murder weapon of the week. he showed you that video for one reason and one reason only.

Dr. Spitz didn't have the same opinion as Dr. G. Dr. G. said it was homicide, Dr. Spitz had no opinion because of her relationship with the media and law enforcement. The politics of the Medical Examiner's Office played out here. Dr. Spitz did a full autopsy, they can say all they want. They found that Caylee's remains did not decompose in the manner or state that Mr. Kronk proposed. He had 60,000 autopsies under his belt. I would tend to believe him over an anthropologist. You can look at his qualifications and decide for yourself. You can decide whether he was more qualified and Dr. G. in cross, Mr. Ashton questioned him on the facts. This is a man of science who did a complete autopsy. That what might've happened or could have happened to Caylee.

he told you that when you open up the skull and if the person has died of suffocation there's discoloration in the back of the ears. He told you it didn't happen in this case. It's not hoping, it's not guessing. Why not open up the skull if you trying to get to the truth? specially if there was something that can help you get to the truth. Mr. Ashton tried to get him to talk about things outside of science. This area was referred to as the swamp. You also have the issue with Mr. Kronk, skulls rolling out a bag, they're inside a bag, they're outside of bags. I can't believe that evidence would be manipulated that way. But that's not so far-fetched. Is there evidence on this? No. I won't go there for. But if you're going to entertain manipulation of evidence by the state you need to know exactly what is true and what is not.

BBM:

But the remains were skeletal, no ears.

tut med
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
makes sense??? really Baez?
not to me dude

mydailyopinions
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
The whole picture is that it is still nonsense to have a drowned child in your arms and NOT CALL 911! Are you kidding me?

FLmom777
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Okay, who wants to meet me @ JB's office with the offer to help him pack his office, if he would just agree to leave and never return?

I"ll bring the duct tape and garbage bags.

ohiogirl
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Dang, JB. No one ever said your client was a genius.

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
she did "party every day and every night" for 31 days...

btw i think he is winding down

Oakley
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
He's ranting. Is this normal for defense attorney's? Do they rant like this? I'm serious.

pipkins
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
KBelichWFTV: Cheney Mason jusy yawned [via Twitter]

Soju
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
key words:

outrageous

nonsense.


Outrageous nonsense, indeed, JB.

Quiche
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Oh, she just mouthed, I still do-- love her.

barbtries
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Please explain to me why people just don't leave the water bottle top OFF rather than screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on, screw it off, sip, screw it on... over and over and over again. Annoying!

so they don't spill. i'm such a klutz i know that's what i would do

NoeticSoul
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
If CM speaks after this.. :truce:

rice09
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
When JB said she loved Caylee...Ica mouthed I still do.

poco
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
websleuths (http://twitter.com/#%21/websleuths) Tricia Griffith



Guys, Baez is doing pretty darn good. Could be a hung jury. Really could be


I disagree, and I hope you're wrong, lol.......

Ninsi
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
I always thought the catalyst for killing Caylee was revenge on her mother.....why was the state not able to bring in the argument the night before the last day Caylee was seen--you know, the one that had CINDY choking Casey and threatening to take Caylee away? Does ANYONE have any idea why the state said it was just another evening at home?

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Repeating the old television fantasy -- The State does not need to prove motive.

okiedokietoo
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
If all ICA's are liars and some ICA's are murderers and some Attorneys are liars and all Anthony's are dysfunctional and all WS'ers seek the truth... does that mean I have to sit through all of the Defense's Closing?

Court: JA yawned
JB: unprovable case

Themis
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Ya, you betcha, JB. It is outrageous, nonsense and complete and total nonsense to kill a toddler to be able to be free to go party, but that is what she did.

Enola
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Casey mouthed 'I still do' about loving Caylee...

symbolic
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
How much more time does the SA have after JB finishes?

about 2 and a half hours

SallyLu
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
TiaM - can I borrow your bag pretty please?

Steely Dan
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
"a drunk guy on the street who just lost his job"? Wha...?

A drunk guy on the street who just chloroformed his child and smothered her with duct tape. He deserves sympathy as he dances away smiling and heading toward the club. :tsktsk:

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
I thought one of the instructions was they weren't to make fun of the opposing sides theory? How many times did he just say "that's nonsense" ????

Amity
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
When JB stated that Casey was a good mom, did I see Casey mouth "thank you" ?

Nova24
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
JB is doing his closing without an timeline involved. It is all helter skelter and blame directed at everyone but ICA.

LyndyLoo
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Myyyy JB is trying to blame the LE for not investigating KC for mental issues//?..Hummm seems they did..after her arrest that day after the Universal fiasco?...Then again..there was a toddler still missing?? Should they have abandonned their search to get KC "Mental Health" assistance?..

Much of what JB is claiming does not ring any bell of "TRUTH"..but just trying to play the "Blame Game"..

JB I sure hope you have some Gigs lined up after this is all over..I have watched Def. Closings for years on end..and have never ever heard ONE of them use his client's bad behaviors as an excuse...:banghead::crazy::banghead:

Liz
07-03-2011, 03:18 PM
How much time does the Defense have left?

I regret to say, I 'think' he has about two and a half (very long) hours left.
:bang:

Quester
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Was that the first time in closing that JB said "Caylee"?

marie-chantal
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
JB: "No one's going to come looking for Caylee and she's (Casey) going to party every day and night?"

Uhm...that's EXACTLY what your client was doing until Cindy finally tracked her down.

strawberry
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Now she's going to cry. cuz it's about her! :tears:

rose222
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Can't they mention that Tony did not think Caylee should spend the night? That he wanted boys?

pipkins
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
talking about casey being a wonderful mum - she cries right on cue

Curious Me
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
The jurors will be so grateful to LDB when she brings this all back to sanity.

megsie
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
I think I dated one of those girls once, the faceless one on the left...
3 minutes ago

Bwah hah hah!

iluvmua
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
JB has been going for an hour. feels like forever. going to take a nap.

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
WOW what a great mom - she "ran after" Caylee when she was running to the pool.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
loosing feeling in my hands.....hating listening to this

please hang on jury....common sense will return soon

mysticrose
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Dear God,
Please help us from getting a TO on WS during DT closing arguments, but please more so, see that Caylee gets the justice she deserves when this is all said and done, Thank you :praying:
Amen

Taibah
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
I know I'm late on saying this but the ONE point I believe that Baez has right is the error in the computer report about the the chloroform being looking up 84 times. I believe that the rows got mixed up in the one report and that Myspace had been typed in the url bar 84 times not the how to make chloroform page.

The rest is nonsense

RevMSwain
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Why don't ICA's imaginary friends have faces?

I get it now! That explains everything! Jb is the same type person as casey! they both have no conscience, no morals, and no decency! The jury haas to be able to see through his babble of a closing argument. What's worse? He just refreshed the numerous minds about her lies that became her alibi!

christee
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Queue the tears...Ugh

monique
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Cheney Mason jusy yawned

QB.
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
I sure am glad the state gets last word.

less0305
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
I finally saw a tear fall. Finally.

rose222
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Can they not mention that she allowed Caylee to spend the night with her boyfriends?

Nali87
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
"I still do" my behind!! You don't throw away a child you love like she's nothing but trash!

Leah0107
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
A good mother who is 'just not right' and has imaginary friends. A healthy environment for a two-year old for sure.

grammieto5
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
KC tried to stop baby CayLEE was jumping in the pool. Hear that moms, no other mom has ever done that!!!!

BetteDavisEyes
07-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Wait a sec! Casey saved Caylee from drowning in the pool?

TiaM
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
At least 2 hours and forty three minutes...

?!?!

Thud!

Liz
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
It IS consistent with a sociopath that only cries for herself!

NiteNurse
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Baez: "[#CaseyAnthony] loved that child." Casey mouths: "I still do." #closingarguments
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 3:19 PM

I'm going to be sick.

Brassband
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Actually, it proves she's diabolical.

Snaz
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Baez is talking about how kind and considerate ICA was... and what a good mother she was... so it's time for ICA to turn on the tears. She's trying really hard.

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
I can't take his lies. The people who said she was a good mom admitted later they DID NOT know the real Casey. How about those check charges, JB? Let's show the jury how ICA treated her friends.

Curious Me
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Hey, JB, the jurors saw the jail videos.

Stella5
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Yeah she cared so much for others that she stole $400 cash from her BFF, and then proceeded to drain the same BFF's checking account of hundreds of dollars... not to mention stealing from her own grandparents & parents... Cares Deeply JB!!

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Why is she crying????

Steft50
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
I think he's only been going for about an hour. It just feels like FOUR!

Does anyone know how to contact HLN so they can ask to put a timer up on the screen to mark the time. I was shocked when I looked at my clock and it's only 1:20pm MT. Really??? It's not later than that? He's not been talking ALL afternoon? <sigh>

Tennessean
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Just simply WOW!

Instead of intelligently bringing up discrepancy in evidence he is personally attacking every single witness and the state... Dr. G botched the autopsy, Mr Fantasy Man Dr Warren, the heavy set guy, the Canadian computer expert who committed fraud, the attractive friend Maria Kish, the desperate prosecution, etc etc.

He deserves to get contempt and be disbarred.

That is what defense attorneys do. It is perfectly normal, ma'am.

Nova24
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Cheney Mason jusy yawned

I think CM has wanted out of this mess for weeks. This isn't the way he typically tries cases.

nerdy
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
This "kind and caring" spiel won't fly. The jury saw the jail tapes, JB.

RR0004
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
I think he's only been going for about an hour. It just feels like FOUR!
I've already spoken to 4 people who fell asleep this morning during his statement.

NavySubMom
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Time left for the DT argument anyone have any idea? Thanks.

krt
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
LMBO.....JA just burped during JB's "presentation".....he must have heartburn too!

everyoneneedsavoice
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
[via twitter]

RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
LDB: OBJECTION: Paragraphs 1 through ... Aw, hell Judge, he's violating the whole damn order! Judge Perry: Sustained.
1 minute ago

Richard Hornsby
I think I dated one of those girls once, the faceless one on the left...
2 minutes ago


:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Laynee
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
yes, JB she was such a kind person, that she robbed her friends blind..yup

boogiebear
07-03-2011, 03:20 PM
I may be imagining it(due to JB's long statement), but KC looks as if she is so frustrated that JB is not as good of a liar, as she is.

thistle
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
" Mr. Demille, I'm ready for my closeup...",

Stella5
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
Casey did NOT swim on the 15th ... she claimed it was too cold!

imawitch
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Cheney Mason jusy yawned

jmo, but that says alot right there lol

Oakley
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
She was such a loving, kind, considerate mother that she rented movies the night her daughter 'drowned' <cough> and spent the next day in bed screwing with her new boyfriend. Yeah, poor thing was so choked up with grief

zoey
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
FYI Gary Wright - Dreamweaver (1976) I've just closed my eyes again Climbed aboard the dream weaver train Driver take away my ...

Ahhhh good. Times.

Need to stop watching. I'm yelling and I'm not T home my poor sisters doggies are getting nervous.

Glad she "saved" Caylee at Tonys.

BeanE
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Cheney Mason jusy yawned
2 minutes ago

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
No evidence introduced in this case that Caylee drowned in the pool.

strawberry
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
DIdn't he just say CA is a liar? Now her word is gold.

future criminologist
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
Casey "cares about others"?

Hmm, let's go to the tape:

Did she care about Lauren Gibbs, supposedly one of her best friends from high school, who babysat for free because she thought she was working?

Did she care about Amy Huizenga when she stole checks from her?

Did she care about her grandparents, parents or Lee when she stole from them?

Did she care for Jesse Grund, who she let believe initially was the father of Caylee, had his parents babysitting her kid for crying out loud, then insinuates they were involved in her death?

Did she care for anyone that she lied to for two and a half YEARS?

Did she care for George or Lee in accusing them of sexual abuse???

This is his evidence of "Caring"?

My head is spinning right now.

Tulessa
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
Wait a sec! Casey saved Caylee from drowning in the pool?

Lying's contagious.......

21merc7
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
JB actually paused for breath, but only to have one of the "kids" bring up another jpad thing a ma jig

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
uuuuu...double attack on CA.....out for blood

tut med
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
It the lets blame Cindy Game now!

truthsleuth
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
The judge has been instructing that this is the law. the defendant is not required to prove anything. It is a right given to each and every citizen. We all share this inalienable right. I told you that Casey reacts the way she does MIs because of the environment she was brought up in. A dysfunctional family, one of secrets and lies, and I showed you this photo. You heard it testified to many times in this case. GA says she looked this way because she was working out a lot. Cindy even stood here and looked over Casey asked to return to the site. She side turned to the side I can see. I don't think you can believe they didn't know she was pregnant. You heard Lee A. and the bizarreness of the entire situation, the lie that testify on the stand. you can reject all of the testimony.

by the end of this case the state is impeaching her. They want you to think she's a liar. Although please remember what she said for us. Believe her that sometimes and not in others. That's unacceptable, that's not true. And that's not what you render a just verdict on.

Want to show you the world Casey Anthony lived in. You remember her imaginary friends? We had Zanny from 2006. she used to date Jeffrey Hopkins. Zanny had long black hair and great white teeth. Her family is wealthy and they come from New York and the Carolinas in Miami. Jeffrey Hopkins was a trust fund baby. He had a child named Zach, the Anthony's invited him over for barbecues and numerous times. Zachary used to play with Caylee. Zanny's mother was Gloria Fernandez, she had heart issues. Then there was Juliette Lewis. she and Cindy waited for an hour and a half for Julia Louis but she never showed up. Not waiting for 10 min., not 20 min., but an hour and a half. And this has nothing to do with Caylee's death. This is just something that doesn't add up. This is something that just is not right. And Juliet had a baby named Annabelle. you heard about Raquel Farrell, another roommate of the nanny. And then the guy who was maybe Kaylee's father died in a motorcycle accident. [names other names]. Her office at Universal Studios did not exist. Should work police officers down the hallway to the left and got there and couldn't go any further. At that point the police should have seen a realize something is wrong with this girl. This is not just someone lying, we need to handle this investigation in a different manner.

If you fed the drunk guy on the street and just lost his job, you wouldn't treat him the same way Casey Anthony. You step back and handle individuals individually. All the signs were there. Everything she was saying just didn't add up. Casey had plenty of opportunity to hop on a plane and go and tell George and Cindy will never see your granddaughter again. End of story.

People won't just stopped asking for Caylee that wasn't going to happen. If a person lives in this kind of world, this coverup makes more sense. a normal person could grieve. But if you don't have a healthy environment that you listen, you handle things different. You'd lie, you'd go out dancing.

I'm not proud of the way Casey behaved. no one can justify her actions. But she did not commit murder. But you understand a little bit better.

At first glance you would say the cases lies are nonsense.but you get to understand that it's not nonsense. It's not right, but it makes sense. She wanted her freedom? is that what you do to get your freedom you kill somebody? she had no motive. Casey treated Caylee well. She loved that child. no one came in here and said Casey was a horrible mother. Remember the time Caylee was running for the pool and Casey had to run stop her? she stopped her from drowning and saved her. All you heard was that Casey was nothing but a good mother.

This is not consistent with a person in a murder. This is not consistent with aggravated child abuse. This is an unprovable case because it's not true. they couldn't give you the answers because it's not true.

cloud9
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
OMG!!!!! How TRUTHFUL CA is?????:maddening:

Quiche
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
Cindy, under that bus!

barbtries
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
makes sense??? really Baez?
not to me dude

he's really reaching. but as i've said over and over, he has nothing to work with. he's giving it the old college try though. i know it's a very unpopular position on this board but i give him props for giving it the old college try.
mind you i am not saying he's succeeding. but he is trying. lost cause.

oh, wow he just really lost me by trying to blame cindy and george for the fictional accidental drowning. he's actually trying to get her off the child endangerment on top of everything else?? next thing we know he'll be saying everything kc said to LE was the truth. wow.

pipkins
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
someone get his coat!

ohiogirl
07-03-2011, 03:21 PM
WOW what a great mom - she "ran after" Caylee when she was running to the pool.

Mother Of The Year material there.

GiantPickle
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
what do u think HHJP is reading?

:wave:

JSR
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
Wow CA still love that "wonderful" daughter of yours??? See how easy it is for her to turn on you. Betca thought you would be exempt and only GA and LA would be attacked. Guess again ...

NavySubMom
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
CA said Caylee was still alive during a Frye hearing, correct? These jurors did not hear that, did they? I am getting really confused here. IMO.

rbrnmw2
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
He is so dirty Cindy I hope you got the bus warmed up@

Benchwarmer
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
No one knows, but it caused my dog to leave the room! :floorlaugh:

I don't blame him/her ... I had to turn down the volume it was hurting my ears.

katydid23
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
Baez points to his poster of her 'imaginary friends' and says it makes sense?

Here comes the bus for Cindy. Toot Toot. " How much guilt must she feel for leaving up that ladder before Caylee drowned..."

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
State has impeached CA on the ladder statement. Another swing and a miss, JB.

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
Break time soon, please.
Or just stop.
Your choice.

ohiogirl
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
So, he is insinuating that CA lied about the ladder too?

AnotherGladysKravitz
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
A drunk guy on the street who just chloroformed his child and smothered her with duct tape. He deserves sympathy as he dances away smiling and heading toward the club. :tsktsk:

Oh, so that's the Aha Moment! Thanks for pointing that out! :floorlaugh:

rose222
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
why would Caylee be so impatient to swim that she went all by herself when she had just spent time in the pool the previous night?

moemom
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
I promised myself that I would listen carefully to his presentation to see if he could draws some conclusions of evidence presentation I missed. I have found his trail hard to follow. And for me so far no AH HA moments. The one thing I do keep thinking during all of this is Timer55. That was a big hit for me. I believe now that it was absolutely not an accident.

Shyla
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
Baez has me lost as last year's easter egg. This is frustrating!

TortillaChip
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
Oh yeah, let's blame it all on CA and GA, that will go down good with the jury, NOT.

JBounds
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
Only person KC cared about was the reflection in the mirror.

Beyond Belief
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
now their neglectful abt safety locks

Oakley
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
whoa didn't Cindy go on and on and on about all the safety locks in that house?

Dutchie
07-03-2011, 03:22 PM
wow cool...now he's using his OWN IMPEACHED WITNESS and makes fun of the state for having impeached her testimony to prove that she was a liar.

And now he's using this in his advantage. "how could you believe CA?"

And this was HIS witness at the time.

He stoops very low.

Reddot
07-03-2011, 03:23 PM
Does anyone know where to buy those ShamWow tissues that she uses?

tragco
07-03-2011, 03:23 PM
Going over Cindy's lies. Jose will make points here.

Brassband
07-03-2011, 03:23 PM
I've already spoken to 4 people who fell asleep this morning during his statement.

raising hand. I fell asleep before lunch break so make that 5.

JusticeSeeker1960
07-03-2011, 03:23 PM
yea, ICA, loved her to death

Liz
07-03-2011, 03:23 PM
I've already spoken to 4 people who fell asleep this morning during his statement.

My hubby is watching this afternoon. Er, I mean he's snoring. lol He fell asleep about 20 minutes in to Baez's closing.

Nova24
07-03-2011, 03:23 PM
I know I'm late on saying this but the ONE point I believe that Baez has right is the error in the computer report about the the chloroform being looking up 84 times. I believe that the rows got mixed up in the one report and that Myspace had been typed in the url bar 84 times not the how to make chloroform page.

The rest is nonsense

For me this has always been a moot point. Whether she looked up how to make it once or a million times makes no difference to me. She looked up how to make it and it's easy to do and chloro was found in trunk. That's what would stick with me as juror.

Also, saying LA honest after he said his client accused him of sex abuse is another thing that would really sway me to guilty. He's basically admitting that claim was crap.

DairyGirl
07-03-2011, 03:23 PM
OMG he is blaming CA and using her lying to his advantage again.

zoey
07-03-2011, 03:23 PM
And according to the non liar la he thought she was alive a bit as well

Child proofing should have been done by Ica

Evil evil man