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hannahsnana
06-29-2011, 11:28 PM
Oh wow...dunno what's really going on there, but it does look like Mason is sort of patting/concerned, and Baez talks to her and laughs - ribbing her.
HHJP has a kindly smile, as if he understand her empathy.
Could be something else, but the above is how it appears to me.
My opinions...
That was my take also, Turnadot, that Linda was wiping away tears after the grief lady left.
Baznme
06-29-2011, 11:28 PM
JMO - while watching the trial today, I tried to read the words ICA was saying. There were two separate statements she made at different times during GA's testimony. I posted these in the threads as I saw it happening. I think she said:
I'm through with him (or) I'm done with him
I really hate you now
That wasn't a real surprise. She hates him now? I didn't see any sign of her "loving" her father before, did you? She hates him now because he wouldn't admit that he molested her? She hates him now because he won't take the blame for being a participant in the demise of his grandaughter? She's mad because her family has had it with her and are not willing to do anymore for this selfish, self-centered spoiled brat that thinks she can get away with "murder". sorry for the rant but, I'm done with HER and I think everyone else is too. I hope she takes the stand. She'll seal her own fate.
susan1122
06-29-2011, 11:30 PM
JMO - while watching the trial today, I tried to read the words ICA was saying. There were two separate statements she made at different times during GA's testimony. I posted these in the threads as I saw it happening. I think she said:
I'm through with him (or) I'm done with him
I really hate you now
What a scary, scary woman.
By the way, did anyone notice in the defense scenario to the grief expert today about ICA she kept calling ICA a "young girl". Geez. Trying to get sympathy for poor, little KC.
BigFatMommyDog
06-29-2011, 11:31 PM
I have been having a discussion with some friends and just wanted to share some of my thoughts on why I felt it was wrong for the Anthony's to lie for Casey and why I "think" I never would.
First off if the Anthony's are done lying on the stand then I really do not hold anything against them for what they have done no matter what the jury decides. What they have attempted has fallen flat.
I would never have been in the position Cindy was in. Casey did not become a souless, heartless, spoiled rotten liar over night. If my daughter was ever acting like that she would have gotten help and I would have protected the other family members from her at all cost. If Cindy was normal I think she would have done the same. I would have been viewing this person as a potential enemy and distancing myself from them in all ways including emotional.
It is kind of like just because a person is your Bio dad doesn't mean you have any feeling for them if you were adopted or raised by someone else. Just because this person is my daughter does not mean I have to love her and support her heartless, souless murderous ways.
What if that daughter had come in and killed everyone in my family except me. Should I take the stand and lie for her? I never would so why would I lie for her for just killing my granddaughter? Why should I condone a person who does?
Dr. Fessel,
I love you more than my luggage.
However, while you make some very valid points that I agree with, I feel you are blue-skying this a *bit* In the fullness of time (and when I am not so ready for bed ) I will welcome the opportunity to try to explain my point of view in full. For the record, I think you are basically right, with a couple of caveats...
logicalgirl
06-29-2011, 11:33 PM
[quote=fabvab;6802613]
I am watching the expert's testimony right now and I must admit I am gobsmacked. Reluctant grievers...yeah I get that, but can someone who watched the entire testimony tell me if the expert ever testifies that a grieving person hides the fact that her child has been missing for 31 days from EVERYONE and then continually lies to EVERYONE for years?
I can't watch anymore, it's making me I'll.
Sally was blowing smoke - she didn't know what she was talking about ....even in general terms.
The problem with behavioral areas is that it attracts a lot of people who are out there and just generally float around being experts because they know how to touch nerves. Who among us does not have painful spots of unresolved grief?
For me the question is - before the heartbreaking story, how did her performance and information measure up? Not so good? There you have the purpose of the voodoo at the end. Shazam - all of us were in tears.
susan1122
06-29-2011, 11:36 PM
She cried when Karioth was talking about how people feel abandoned - essentially she cried when it touched ICA - not her family, her daughter, but, again, herself (Nobody understands me!)
ITA, It was poor me crying again. ICA cries when she feels sorry for herself, is my opinion.
[quote=Benchwarmer;6802747]
Sally was blowing smoke - she didn't know what she was talking about ....even in general terms.
The problem with behavioral areas is that it attracts a lot of people who are out there and just generally float around being experts because they know how to touch nerves. Who among us does not have painful spots of unresolved grief?
For me the question is - before the heartbreaking story, how did her performance and information measure up? Not so good? There you have the purpose of the voodoo at the end. Shazam - all of us were in tears.Yes, you nailed it. I am not trying to be mean, but I found Sally bizarre, just totally weird. And it seems people, when they are grieving, will accept someone like that, who ordinarily they would not trust at all.
Hey boss!
06-29-2011, 11:37 PM
Holy grief nurse batman!
That was one pretentious lady.
BaileyandBella
06-29-2011, 11:39 PM
Does anyone know why Linda was teary eyed today?
Thanks
itsyourworld
06-29-2011, 11:39 PM
Holy grief nurse batman!
That was one pretentious lady.
She was 'magical'
mentalsolstice
06-29-2011, 11:41 PM
That was my take also, Turnadot, that Linda was wiping away tears after the grief lady left.
Happy to see attys with some emotion. I know I had several cases that really affected me, and I had to wait for home to have a good bawling.
Anadarko
06-29-2011, 11:42 PM
Does anyone know why Linda was teary eyed today?
Thanks
From listening to the grief nurse maybe?
logicalgirl
06-29-2011, 11:43 PM
[quote=logicalgirl;6802836]Yes, you nailed it. I am not trying to be mean, but I found Sally bizarre, just totally weird. And it seems people, when they are grieving, will accept someone like that, who ordinarily they would not trust at all.
Once I realized the purpose of the story, I was left with worrying if that poor woman is still out there in the cold and the rain...or has someone helped her understand her son is beyond hurt or pain.
And to help her find some kind of peace with the finality of her loss. Not peace with the loss, but that the loss is final.
logicalgirl
06-29-2011, 11:45 PM
Does anyone know why Linda was teary eyed today?
Thanks
i thought she yawned one of those yawns when we are really exhausted and it brings tears to our eyes.....
Hey boss!
06-29-2011, 11:45 PM
Can anyone post (or does anyone even know of) the clip when Casey stops bawling long enough to laugh during an objection, then resumes her crying within two seconds. I dont know how to find a "casey cam" view, but it was during DS direct to the magic nurse lady
susan1122
06-29-2011, 11:45 PM
[quote=Benchwarmer;6802747]
Sally was blowing smoke - she didn't know what she was talking about ....even in general terms.
The problem with behavioral areas is that it attracts a lot of people who are out there and just generally float around being experts because they know how to touch nerves. Who among us does not have painful spots of unresolved grief?
For me the question is - before the heartbreaking story, how did her performance and information measure up? Not so good? There you have the purpose of the voodoo at the end. Shazam - all of us were in tears.
Sally is used to speaking in front of her classes and conference audiences, don't you think? Very on stage. Like her line about getting the teaching job...."and since she wasn't doing anything else that day". ......objection! She is used to getting a laugh after that line.....not an objection. Thought that was kind of funny.
BaileyandBella
06-29-2011, 11:45 PM
From listening to the grief nurse maybe?
I just didn't know if was more than that, something in her personal life.
SindyBill
06-29-2011, 11:45 PM
Sorry I'm jumping in late..I'm only at work for 15 more minutes and no internet access at home. Does anybody have a link to the video where the witness today, Sally, was talking about the bond between mothers and daughters never breaking..and whatever it was ICA mouthed afterwards? Thank you SO much in advance!!!!!!
Phoebeb
06-29-2011, 11:47 PM
For those who are interested...
http://www.wftv.com/video/28398053/index.html
7:28 Jury excused for lunch
7:28 Baez trying to charm jury as they leave
8:00 George A. steps down and is comforted by Lippman
8:00 Casey is smiling with Baez; tries to hide smile behind her hand
8:51 Deputies tell Casey it is time to leave
At around the 9:00 minute mark, I thought I read ICA's lips saying "That's why my mom is here" or That's because my mom is here" with her smiley smile talking to an atty- not sure which one.
Anyone else see that?
susan1122
06-29-2011, 11:48 PM
Can anyone post (or does anyone even know of) the clip when Casey stops bawling long enough to laugh during an objection, then resumes her crying within two seconds. I dont know how to find a "casey cam" view, but it was during DS direct to the magic nurse lady
Yes, I saw that on Wesh, I think. I don't have a link.....but it seemed odd, as usual.
Phoebeb
06-29-2011, 11:50 PM
that is all I can remember right now-I have not seen the video in a while
In that video, I thought I saw her saying something like "She didn't even try!" while she was crying on DS shoulder.
SindyBill
06-29-2011, 11:50 PM
At around the 9:00 minute mark, I thought I read ICA's lips saying "That's why my mom is here" or That's because my mom is here" with her smiley smile talking to an atty- not sure which one.
Anyone else see that?
When she smiles real big, that's exactly what it looks like she is saying. That's why my mom is here or something like that, good eye. JMO.
CementPond
06-29-2011, 11:51 PM
So, I thought the DT was supposed to call GA's supposed mistress to the stand? And, what about the two former employers at CA's old job? I know some people think they will call Casey to the stand but I never believed this. And I especially don't think so now if they still have several witnesses for tomorrow possibly and Judge talked about the State having their own witnesses to testify by possibly tomorrow afternoon. JMO
FORDANIEL
06-29-2011, 11:51 PM
I just didn't know if was more than that, something in her personal life.
I thought maybe she lost her contact lens,the way she and JA looked down and picked up papers,etc.
susan1122
06-29-2011, 11:51 PM
She was 'magical'
Or at least Thinks she's Magical. JK ; )
[quote=Benchwarmer;6802747]
Sally was blowing smoke - she didn't know what she was talking about ....even in general terms.
The problem with behavioral areas is that it attracts a lot of people who are out there and just generally float around being experts because they know how to touch nerves. Who among us does not have painful spots of unresolved grief?
For me the question is - before the heartbreaking story, how did her performance and information measure up? Not so good? There you have the purpose of the voodoo at the end. Shazam - all of us were in tears.
ITA, LG. The only part of her testimony that was worth anything substantial (other than the heartbreaking story) was her answer to the last question JA asked her. Paraphrasing here...What about the bond between a mother and a deceased child?...Answer...It never leaves. That said everything to me.
Hey boss!
06-29-2011, 11:54 PM
So, I thought the DT was supposed to call GA's supposed mistress to the stand? And, what about the two former employers at CA's old job? I know some people think they will call Casey to the stand but I never believed this. And I especially don't think so now if they still have several witnesses for tomorrow possibly and Judge talked about the State having their own witnesses to testify by possibly tomorrow afternoon. JMO
If she does take the stand, I think the DT is waiting till the very last second to announce that. They are delusional enough to think the prosecutors will be unprepared for such a thing. Too bad LDB has been ready for YEARS
BuzzieCat
06-29-2011, 11:54 PM
to me-Caylee has his eyes-big and brown!
I don't think her eyes WERE brown. They look dark in most pictures, but if the picture quality is good enough, I can see a sort of hazel quality to them.
I hate tricky party questions and am really wondering how you could answer a question with a yes or no when JB asks “You would never admit to molesting your daughter would you?” The old party version was something like have you told your wife about the affair?
The correct answer assumes the rest of the question to be true.
This was bugging me today, and I wished JP would step in or someone would object. If a yes or no answer is required and the asker does not want exposition, then the question should be fairly worded.
By the way, did anyone notice in the defense scenario to the grief expert today about ICA she kept calling ICA a "young girl". Geez. Trying to get sympathy for poor, little KC.
I think DCS referred to ICA as "petite," as well. Way too small and meek to ever hurt a fly, don't ya know?
Sally is used to speaking in front of her classes and conference audiences, don't you think? Very on stage. Like her line about getting the teaching job...."and since she wasn't doing anything else that day". ......objection! She is used to getting a laugh after that line.....not an objection. Thought that was kind of funny.
Agreed. She didn't seem to know that her "lecture mode" wasn't needed.
Plumeria5
06-29-2011, 11:56 PM
I had to work today so missed the trial. When I turned on JVM she said that today we heard from Casey. I thought I had missed her testimony! Well, if ICA is set free (NOT) I believe she has aspirations to be a defense attorney. She seemed very proud to be able to stand and give her :twocents:
That was my take also, Turnadot, that Linda was wiping away tears after the grief lady left.
Maybe the prosecution team wants to have the 4th of July weekend with their families. After jury selection we were left with the impression we'd be close to done by last week.
Hey boss!
06-29-2011, 11:58 PM
I had to work today so missed the trial. When I turned on JVM she said that today we heard from Casey. I thought I had missed her testimony! Well, if ICA is set free (NOT) I believe she has aspirations to be a defense attorney. She seemed very proud to be able to stand and give her :twocents:
And her favorite part was turning on the microphone
SindyBill
06-29-2011, 11:58 PM
Does no one have that video handy? :( Oh, well.
I have been having a discussion with some friends and just wanted to share some of my thoughts on why I felt it was wrong for the Anthony's to lie for Casey and why I "think" I never would.
First off if the Anthony's are done lying on the stand then I really do not hold anything against them for what they have done no matter what the jury decides. What they have attempted has fallen flat.
I would never have been in the position Cindy was in. Casey did not become a souless, heartless, spoiled rotten liar over night. If my daughter was ever acting like that she would have gotten help and I would have protected the other family members from her at all cost. If Cindy was normal I think she would have done the same. I would have been viewing this person as a potential enemy and distancing myself from them in all ways including emotional.
It is kind of like just because a person is your Bio dad doesn't mean you have any feeling for them if you were adopted or raised by someone else. Just because this person is my daughter does not mean I have to love her and support her heartless, souless murderous ways.
What if that daughter had come in and killed everyone in my family except me. Should I take the stand and lie for her? I never would so why would I lie for her for just killing my granddaughter? Why should I condone a person who does?
I've been avoiding the thread that asks if I would lie for my children but after watching George have his heart ripped from his chest today, I'm ready to deal with the question.
'If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.'
There isn't a lying gene. Not yet at least. Maybe in 15-20 years when the inmate is working on her final appeal, but it hasn't been identified now so we have to assume that nurturing, or the failure to nurture, creates an ICA.
So I agree with you and the poet who wrote 'Children learn what they live'. I wouldn't lie for my kids to save them from the death penalty, because I would never be in that position, nor would my kids.
tiredblondy
06-30-2011, 12:02 AM
Was anything ever said about the guard standing behind Casey? Did anyone find out why???
Dr.Fessel
06-30-2011, 12:03 AM
Dr. Fessel,
I love you more than my luggage.
However, while you make some very valid points that I agree with, I feel you are blue-skying this a *bit* In the fullness of time (and when I am not so ready for bed ) I will welcome the opportunity to try to explain my point of view in full. For the record, I think you are basically right, with a couple of caveats...
Good! I was eating dinner and trying to get it done before one of my friends on the east coast had to go to bed.
Maybe we can come to some meeting of the mind, I have looked at a couple of things I would say just a little different.
We might not ever agree completely but we will understand each others views.
CarrieBean
06-30-2011, 12:05 AM
I just watched the end of today where LDB appears to be crying. I browsed this site quickly but can't seem to find much yet. Was it the grief expert's testimony or has she lost a child? The thing that surprised me most was that CM and JB appear empathetic (and consoling) towards her. Could someone fill me in please?
susan1122
06-30-2011, 12:06 AM
Does no one have that video handy? :( Oh, well.
Sorry! Check out wesh if you have time. It was on there....but don't know if that section is available.
Baznme
06-30-2011, 12:08 AM
Does anyone know why Linda was teary eyed today?
Thanks
I don't really know but, I have a suspicion that it was the story about the little boy that died and the "normal" grieving mother went to his grave with an umbrella and a blanket because she was worried he was scared and cold. I think she may have captured LDB's true feelings of what Caylee was denied........concern.
cluciano63
06-30-2011, 12:08 AM
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2011-06-29/story/jacksonville-chief-petty-officers-killer-avoids-death-penalty
This guy did not get the DP...FWIW
Americka
06-30-2011, 12:09 AM
I just watched the end of today where LDB appears to be crying. I browsed this site quickly but can't seem to find much yet. Was it the grief expert's testimony or has she lost a child? The thing that surprised me most was that CM and JB appear empathetic (and consoling) towards her. Could someone fill me in please?
It appeared to be the grief expert's testimony. :twocents:
BigFatMommyDog
06-30-2011, 12:10 AM
[quote=logicalgirl;6802836]
Sally is used to speaking in front of her classes and conference audiences, don't you think? Very on stage. Like her line about getting the teaching job...."and since she wasn't doing anything else that day". ......objection! She is used to getting a laugh after that line.....not an objection. Thought that was kind of funny.
Oh Yeah! That's it! That's it exactly!
Too much time in front of adoring "fans" and not enough in front of those who might question her authority.
But, how much did I love JA's letting her wax on and tell her special story? Oh! I think all of you know. I think DCS knows as well - the rest of them - not so much.
logicalgirl
06-30-2011, 12:12 AM
[quote=logicalgirl;6802836]
ITA, LG. The only part of her testimony that was worth anything substantial (other than the heartbreaking story) was her answer to the last question JA asked her. Paraphrasing here...What about the bond between a mother and a deceased child?...Answer...It never leaves. That said everything to me.
Yes, I forgot that - you are absolutely right. I forgot it because I was watching ICA and that kind of nullified the concept for me. So not everybody....
Hey boss!
06-30-2011, 12:13 AM
You know, when I am in charge of the planet...
I am going to have a camera set up for each key player in a trial, so that his or her reactions can be viewed by anyone.
It will be magical.
And her favorite part was turning on the microphone
:great: "I agree with Miss Finnell' ........even though
I don't know what she's talking about or why such a good liar as me is even here or why everyone only cares about Caylee and not me..........even though that's all I care about too.
Ooops my shirt is untucked. What were you saying?
flgrandma
06-30-2011, 12:15 AM
just bumping and saying Quoted For Truth
As a resident of the area, thank you very much. As an average good citizen, couldn't agree more.
susan1122
06-30-2011, 12:15 AM
[quote=susan1122;6802899]
Oh Yeah! That's it! That's it exactly!
Too much time in front of adoring "fans" and not enough in front of those who might question her authority.
But, how much did I love JA's letting her wax on and tell her special story? Oh! I think all of you know. I think DCS knows as well - the rest of them - not so much.
And when JA joked with her. She said something along the lines of "if you let me finish" and JA said something like "we'll see".
OT: Something is wrong with The names tonight.....OP's are sometimes incorrect.
Americka
06-30-2011, 12:15 AM
Does no one have that video handy? :( Oh, well.
http://www.wftv.com/video/28401220/index.html
Go to the 11:10 mark to listen to the story of the grieving mother.
Hey boss!
06-30-2011, 12:16 AM
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh::great: "I agree with Miss Finnell' ........even though
I don't know what she's talking about or why such a good liar as me is even here or why everyone only cares about Caylee and not me..........even though that's all I care about too.
Ooops my shirt is untucked. What were you saying?
Danemead
06-30-2011, 12:16 AM
I believe that people who talk about it are crying out for help, people who are intent on it just do it. Of course, neither of those situations are correct 100% of the time.
bbm.
Sorry, bunchy, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but because of it I can only say I hope you or a loved one are never faced with having to test it.
This type of thinking makes me sad and angry, from experience, not just opinion. I would like to add though, my anger isn't directed towards bunchy personally, just at the perpetuation of this erroneous myth.
are you claiming this as fact? i sure hope not....and i know plenty of guilt-ridden survivors who wish to god every day they hadn't bought into that notion.
:tyou::tyou:, my friend. Perfectly said.
flgrandma
06-30-2011, 12:17 AM
Other lawyer was Joe, sounds like Pispeco
nursebeeme
06-30-2011, 12:18 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
logicalgirl
06-30-2011, 12:21 AM
[quote=logicalgirl;6802836]
Sally is used to speaking in front of her classes and conference audiences, don't you think? Very on stage. Like her line about getting the teaching job...."and since she wasn't doing anything else that day". ......objection! She is used to getting a laugh after that line.....not an objection. Thought that was kind of funny.
I was completely cracking up when JA was asking her what she had published for peer review..
I just don't think Ms Simms gets the difference in the rules between civil litigation and criminal litigation.
And I think HHJP let her in as an expert because he just wanted to get on with this because he thought this was another one of JB's goofy ideas and what the heck he doesn't have anything else so what's the harm.
Elder Price
06-30-2011, 12:22 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
I feel like today justice was assured for Caylee. There is something about GA on the stand, ICA's demeanor, the ridiculousness of Baez and his witnesses... if there was any confusion on the part of the jurors it was cleared up today, as if they were slapped in the face.
I hope.
You know, when I am in charge of the planet...
I am going to have a camera set up for each key player in a trial, so that his or her reactions can be viewed by anyone.
It will be magical.
:floorlaugh: The theme song from Lost in Space magically started playing in my head as I read your post.
susan1122
06-30-2011, 12:24 AM
[quote=susan1122;6802899]
I was completely cracking up when JA was asking her what she had published for peer review..
I just don't think Ms Simms gets the difference in the rules between civil litigation and criminal litigation.
And I think HHJP let her in as an expert because he just wanted to get on with this because he thought this was another one of JB's goofy ideas and what the heck he doesn't have anything else so what's the harm.
Yes! But barnes and noble is a publishing house?! Oops.
Elder Price
06-30-2011, 12:24 AM
I wonder if Baez even planned ahead for the penalty phase? If the jurors convict her of Murder 1 and all other charges, effectively showing what they think of his antics, what the hell can he say?
artsy_mom_of_2
06-30-2011, 12:25 AM
Hello WS'ers! My first post as a delurking newbie. I've been reading this forum for a couple of weeks since I haven't been able to watch the trial on TV. I must say, you all are AMAZING with your Q&A and knowledge of all the details regarding this case. And it's refreshing not to see posters bashing other posters. I think I'm gonna love it here. Thanks for letting me in the club :)
newsjunkie
06-30-2011, 12:25 AM
I just rememberd that during GA's testimony, the camera went on KC and it really looked like she mouth the words -- you b------ or just b------!!!!
Did anyone notice this -- I don't read lips, but it sure looked like it.
Just IMO.
I thought she said son of a b. . . . ., but no one else said anything at the time. So, I thought I was just seeing things.
Baznme
06-30-2011, 12:26 AM
[quote=Maia;6802938]
Yes, I forgot that - you are absolutely right. I forgot it because I was watching ICA and that kind of nullified the concept for me. So not everybody....
Yep.....it solidifies that the PT has their heart in this.
BaileyandBella
06-30-2011, 12:26 AM
Is anyone else nervous about River Cruz and the accident testimony tomorrow?
UGH
logicalgirl
06-30-2011, 12:26 AM
Geez - wait until 'Beach sees our "quote" thingy is busted again! That always really annoys her!
Last post of the night - Five AM is feeling earlier every day.
Not sure if this has been posted before:
Bill S. Comments on the day in court:
http://www.wftv.com/video/28401316/index.html
:seeya: :offtobed: now none of this tonight! :countsheep: cause we are bound to be in for a lot of :fireworks: in the morning!
Shelby1
06-30-2011, 12:26 AM
This thought/question will probably get lost in the shuffle as these threads move so fast--as they should with so many people having thoughts.
IMO, Casey needs to be center of attention..all about her etc.
What better way than to be pregnant then?
Mommies to be (IMO) get tons of attention.
I know that defense is painting a picture of denial of the pregnancy by George and Cindy...and, lets say for the sake of argument that we agree with that.
Would Casey not get even more attention from her friends, extended family and family of the dad? I would think so. "Knowing" Casey from all we have seen, read etc. I would think that playing the "I'm pregnant and my family doesn't support me" card would be epic for her.
What is the obviously huge (IMO) reason that Casey never revealed the father of Casey?
IMO, knowing the background leading up to Casey becoming pregnant would speak volumes to how she is now.
IMO, she was an average girl from an average family from a suburb in Florida. Not saying that she didn't lie here and there (the girlfriend of hers that got on the stand that testified that Casey said "I'm such a great liar"--I'm sure Casey did say that. I'm also sure that in high school, back in the late 80's, my friends and I said the same thing a few times, after we snuck out of the house.)
If I had to guess, I'd say a huge personality change occurred when Casey got pregnant due to some sort of huge happening (in her mind) What caused her not to tell the father of Caylee that she was pregnant? Did she tell the father? I could go on.
I'd like to know the events that happened back in those years.
nursebeeme
06-30-2011, 12:27 AM
Hello WS'ers! My first post as a delurking newbie. I've been reading this forum for a couple of weeks since I haven't been able to watch the trial on TV. I must say, you all are AMAZING with your Q&A and knowledge of all the details regarding this case. And it's refreshing not to see posters bashing other posters. I think I'm gonna love it here. Thanks for letting me in the club :)
:Welcome1::newbie::welcome:
welcome!!!!! so glad you are here with us!:rocker:
susan1122
06-30-2011, 12:27 AM
Hello WS'ers! My first post as a delurking newbie. I've been reading this forum for a couple of weeks since I haven't been able to watch the trial on TV. I must say, you all are AMAZING with your Q&A and knowledge of all the details regarding this case. And it's refreshing not to see posters bashing other posters. I think I'm gonna love it here. Thanks for letting me in the club :)
Welcome! Yeah, people on this site are awesome!:great:
Beyond Belief
06-30-2011, 12:28 AM
:wagon:Hello WS'ers! My first post as a delurking newbie. I've been reading this forum for a couple of weeks since I haven't been able to watch the trial on TV. I must say, you all are AMAZING with your Q&A and knowledge of all the details regarding this case. And it's refreshing not to see posters bashing other posters. I think I'm gonna love it here. Thanks for letting me in the club :)
nursebeeme
06-30-2011, 12:28 AM
Is anyone else nervous about River Cruz and the accident testimony tomorrow?
UGH
I hope she is questioned on her violation of sequestration (she went on LP's show last night) and I further hope she is booted out for it.
:twocents::rocker:
MaryB
06-30-2011, 12:29 AM
Is anyone else nervous about River Cruz and the accident testimony tomorrow?
UGH
I'm actually excited. With all of her aliases, claims of brain tumors, selling fake stories to the National Enquirer, convictions, etc... I think the jury is just gonna be disgusted and ask themselves, "This is who you want us to believe? Are you kidding me?"
Baznme
06-30-2011, 12:29 AM
Is anyone else nervous about River Cruz and the accident testimony tomorrow?
UGH
IMO, there's not much to worry about. There's enough proof in her history to show that she was/is such a gold-digger, (her and her sister) starting with suing a peanut butter company, fraud, etc. that by the time the PT gets done with her, she'll wish she had stayed home.
Hey boss!
06-30-2011, 12:31 AM
Speaking of pregnant...what did her supervisor at Universal say about her telling him she was pregnant, and that she would need a doctors note for light duty,. Does the date of that coincide with what CA says about ICA not knowing she was pregnant until eight months / or June?
Mulegirl
06-30-2011, 12:32 AM
Somebody mentioned that GA asked to speak to JA either at lunch time or at one of the breaks. Lunch time I think, and that JA refused.
The tweeters were saying JA said he wanted to but couldn't while he was on the stand being questioned by JB. He could once JB had finished his examination. It wasn't that he didn't want to, he wasn't allowed to.
This leads to a post I've been formulating all day in my head. Please note that all my comments are MOO...
My heart is shattering for GA. I hadn't read this before, but I feel badly for both GA and JA over this. I can imagine GA did want to talk to JA and that JA really would've liked to see him, too. Unfortunately, JA was correct that he would risk mistrial by talking to GA before he was released from his testimony today.
I missed GA's testimony live, and am about to watch the raw video. But in seeing the replays and tidbits, I have some opinions about his testimony today.
After seeing what I have so far, I REALLY REALLY hope that some of the men involved in missing children search organizations and JA and some LE men will reach out to GA. He needs their support now, IMO.
IMHO, today GA took his manhood and pride back and told the truth, as crushingly painful as it clearly was. The more that I have read of his statements and depositions, as well as comments from others who know this family, the more my heart was going out to GA already. After today's breakdown, I just cannot even state in words how much I feel for this man. I wouldn't wish the situation he's been put into on my very worst enemy. No matter what mistakes or bad things GA may have ever done in his life, he deserves an awfully huge dose of compassion right now, I believe.
I think it took an enormous amount of courage to stand up and tell the honest truth, especially since it was admitting his belief that ICA is guilty and that CA, surely, will be viciously angry with him for this (IMOO). I hope that there will be many around GA in the weeks, months, and years to come to keep reminding him that he can hold his head high.
For those that feel he was sending his daughter to death, my opinion and understanding is that the time and place to do that is at the sentencing hearings AFTER a verdict. During the trial is the time to tell the TRUTH. My hat is off to GA tonight and he is in my thoughts and prayers as a man who decided to be honorable after seeing the immense damage his daughter's DT is doing to not just his own and his family's lives, but to many, many completely innocent lives as well. I think he decided that was just too much.
GA, you are my (and I believe Caylee's) hero tonight.
logicalgirl
06-30-2011, 12:33 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
Excited - Confident - Exhausted - the finish line is so close we can reach out and feel it - Relieved - and strangely vindicated since most of my instincts about this case are true.
And idly wondering what it will be like to have a life again. No offence my friends, but I mean to actually get enough sleep, live in a place that is reasonably clean, stop dashing around my neighbourhood on "special breaks" looking like I should be asking for spare change, being actually caught up on my laundry, maybe even getting back to some kind of exercise beyond lunges and squats when Ann Finnell is up - geez - the list of wonder just goes on and on - it's been a long three years....:innocent:
Dr.Fessel
06-30-2011, 12:33 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
Glad you asked. During this whole mess I have dehumanized the Anthony family in my thoughts, maybe self preservation of some kind but really I do not agree or understand their actions and justice for Caylee over rode it all.
Now I can see the end in site and I think I will start feeling for them and it will probably start with George.
When I think about the last time I saw my youngest granddaughter yesterday I gave her a quick kiss goodbye and smelled the top of her head. There is just something about that smell that makes you smile.
Then I think about poor George driving that damn car.
Does no one have that video handy? :( Oh, well.
http://http://www.wftv.com/video/28393657/index.html (http://http//www.wftv.com/video/28393657/index.html)
enjoy!
logicalgirl
06-30-2011, 12:36 AM
I'm actually excited. With all of her aliases, claims of brain tumors, selling fake stories to the National Enquirer, convictions, etc... I think the jury is just gonna be disgusted and ask themselves, "This is who you want us to believe? Are you kidding me?"
Nervous? With the sound of JA sharpening his verbal knives in the background...:waitasec: how could I be?
I've had it with the 15 minutes of fame folks.
Trapshooter
06-30-2011, 12:40 AM
I wonder if Baez even planned ahead for the penalty phase? If the jurors convict her of Murder 1 and all other charges, effectively showing what they think of his antics, what the hell can he say?
Great point Elder Price!!!
Baez didn't plan for the penalty phase so that's why he has Ann Finnell on board!
Is anyone else nervous about River Cruz and the accident testimony tomorrow?
UGH
Not after hearing her on Levis show last night :) Please tell me the defense isn't going to rest with RC as their last witness.
nursebeeme
06-30-2011, 12:42 AM
Excited - Confident - Exhausted - the finish line is so close we can reach out and feel it - Relieved - and strangely vindicated since most of my instincts about this case are true.
And idly wondering what it will be like to have a life again. No offence my friends, but I mean to actually get enough sleep, live in a place that is reasonably clean, stop dashing around my neighbourhood on "special breaks" looking like I should be asking for spare change, being actually caught up on my laundry, maybe even getting back to some kind of exercise beyond lunges and squats when Ann Finnell is up - geez - the list of wonder just goes on and on - it's been a long three years....:innocent:
wow.. you nailed all my feelings ((you and doc fessel!!!)) to a T... to a T.
I myself feel confident but at the same time very scared that the jury isn't seeing what we see... but then I always refer back to one of the talking heads that said this jury is "normal america" so what america thinks and feels this is what the jury is doing
and than we have the jason young mistrial that just happened hanging in my thoughts and terrorizing me... literally in my sleep. I am so worried for what is to come in deliberations. I try to have faith... I am just so worried. It is so good to be around all of you during this time.
It has been a long three years for all of us.
Danemead
06-30-2011, 12:42 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
Personally, I'm exhausted, and so glad its coming to an end. So sad watching George, I hope when all this is over he can find some peace this side of heaven.
Now waiting to see what happens to girlies who are waaay to big for their boots and have been allowed to get away with wearing them all their lives. Hoping too that the next lot of boots for ICA are much tighter than she's ever worn before.
miss plum
06-30-2011, 12:43 AM
I feel like today justice was assured for Caylee. There is something about GA on the stand, ICA's demeanor, the ridiculousness of Baez and his witnesses... if there was any confusion on the part of the jurors it was cleared up today, as if they were slapped in the face.
I hope.
I agree. I feel very peaceful after today. The only way there will be a hung jury now is if it would have been hung no matter what, and that is something no one can control so there's no point worrying about it.
The SA have been brilliant, I am in awe of them all, and GA stepped up better and stronger than I ever dared to hope he would. May he find peace. Any lingering shadow about RK goes only to his character (and is being cast by people with obvious agendas/axes to grind), not to his having any involvement in this crime. ICA's true nature was spotlit during her father's testimony, and was not offset by anything the grief expert said.
Today was finally the promised A-Ha day for me.
No one murders Caylee Anthony and tosses her away like an empty cheese wrapper and gets away with it. She was small and powerless but her life was valuable and she can never be replaced.
Plumeria5
06-30-2011, 12:43 AM
Is anyone else nervous about River Cruz and the accident testimony tomorrow?
UGH
No, I'm not worried about her but did she seem excessively fidgety in the interviews? I am wondering if she has some other medical issues or medication problems in addition to the "brain tumor".
fabvab
06-30-2011, 12:44 AM
Is anyone else nervous about River Cruz and the accident testimony tomorrow?
UGH
I have no doubt that Jeff Ashton will take care of her.
nerdy
06-30-2011, 12:44 AM
omg I took a break from my over-identifying with the dysfunctional family thing but was back to catch the end of the trial today. Let me just say that I think putting that grief expert on the stand was a HUGE mistake! Talk about leaving everyone with memories of their own grief and lost loved ones. I spent so much of the evening sniffling about my dog that passed. You KNOW that jury has grieved in their lives and you KNOW it's now sinking in just how much different ICA is from everyday humans. :rocker:
Bad defense move in my opinion. Very bad.
Now i'm hooked back in though and eagerly awaiting this wrapping up! Alllllmost there! i just may have to wake up at 5am tomorrow!
:seeya:
Mulegirl
06-30-2011, 12:45 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
I'm glad you asked! :D
I have such massive mixed emotions. I will severly miss coming here every day to see that I am not the only one. The only one watching this so intently; the only one ticking off friends and family with my obsession about this case (I have one friend REALLY ticked at me right now); the only one studying the history of this case so intently.
Yet I am so relieved that it appears that Caylee will have justice (I hope, I hope). And I want to see that.
I also think this case has some really enormous social implications about the societal debts to be paid when narcissism is nurtured and encouraged. And in that sense, I hope that the media circus has gotten some of that message out, but fear at the same time that people may forget all too quickly.
But then there's the much less serious side of me that says I may actually get some sleep and get my house cleaned again!! :crazy:
Wysteria
06-30-2011, 12:47 AM
Although george seems to be more truthful today, I can't disregard all the lies he's told. As for suicide, people intent on that just do it, they don't talk about it.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
bbm
With all due respect, I disagree. In fact, I know for a fact that what you stated is not true.
I could explain further, but my focus right now is on Caylee Marie Anthony.
Furthermore, as far as all of the "lies George has told" as your post states........oh nevermind, not worth it.
SCWldneart
06-30-2011, 12:47 AM
omg I took a break from my over-identifying with the dysfunctional family thing but was back to catch the end of the trial today. Let me just say that I think putting that grief expert on the stand was a HUGE mistake! Talk about leaving everyone with memories of their own grief and lost loved ones. I spent so much of the evening sniffling about my dog that passed. You KNOW that jury has grieved in their lives and you KNOW it's now sinking in just how much different ICA is from everyday humans. :rocker:
Bad defense move in my opinion. Very bad.
Now i'm hooked back in though and eagerly awaiting this wrapping up! Alllllmost there! i just may have to wake up at 5am tomorrow!
:seeya:
ICA is probably thinking along those same lines...HUGE WASTE
The Eunice Burns
06-30-2011, 12:48 AM
I loved that George gave it to Baez. IMO-- whether he knew, when he knew, what he knew........I'm just glad he stuck it to JB.
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
YouTube - ‪Garbage - Stupid Girl‬‏
"you stupid girl, all you had you wasted"
(I'm angry at what KC did to Caylee)
Etiana
06-30-2011, 12:51 AM
As one of the many on this forum who have shared their raw, personal experience about grief, thank you everyone for being so sensitive, not only to me but to many others.
It's true that Karioth's testimony had one redeeming factor (the tender recount of the Mother and Doctor in the rain) and I'm grateful that JA was wise enough to end his cross on such a perfect note. True grief and the bond between Mother and child which were in stark contrast to ICA who is void of such grief. Other than that, I thought Karioth's testimony was wildly inappropriate and it made a further mockery of how low the DT is willing to go. JB and ICA have turned this trial into a 3 ring circus and today I became painfully aware of how much I resent that.
Horace Finklestein
06-30-2011, 12:54 AM
I was simply appalled at Simms' classification of Casey as a loving/amazing mother. That was such a bald faced LIE it just made me sick. I know she's entitled to a defense but seriously this is just absurd.
OK, my friends...It's almost 1:00am here in FL and I just woke up with my hand on my mouse and my chin on my chest (wasn't drooling yet but close, lol). I really enjoy everyone's opinions and try desparately to read them all, but my eyes won't stay open. See you all for breakfast. :seeya:
Hey boss!
06-30-2011, 12:57 AM
"When we have finally spoken, everyone, and I mean everyone, will sit back and say 'now I understand' 'that explains it'." -Jose Baez
Casey must take the stand because no one, and I mean no one understands. They have explained NOTHING!!!!
BaileyandBella
06-30-2011, 12:58 AM
Please tell me the defense isn't going to rest with RC as their last witness.
This is what I read here tonight.....unless KC takes the stand.
MomCat
06-30-2011, 01:01 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
Utterly exhausted.
I almost cried during GA testimony.
But then after the grief lady set everyone off and everyone began sharing the most personal, touching stories... well, I haven't cried that much in ages. I felt wrung out. Wiped out. Flattened.
But maybe it was all for the good? Because now, hours later (don't quite know how to describe this) I feel... lighter. Lifted, somehow. Better. As if a lot of what I had been holding tightly inside was released or set free by what was being shared.
Strange, eh?
Gonna go hug hubby now, and kiss every one of my cats. Feeling very blessed to have had these loved ones that were once in my life but who are now gone, and doubly blessed for the ones still within arms reach. Maybe sometimes we just need the reminder.
And a ((((((((((hug!)))))))))) to you too, nursebeeme.
Yes. Feeling better. And thank you so much for caring enough to ask.
So... how are you holding up, NB?
Amster
06-30-2011, 01:07 AM
I think LDB was crying for Caylee.....because she was dumped in a swamp like trash. There was no grieving mother with blankets and an umbrella for her on dark, rainy nights. Nope....Caylee's mom was busy doing guys, stealing money, renting movies, eating....breathing.....
Aedrys
06-30-2011, 01:08 AM
I just NOW finished reading today's trial thread. OMG!!!!!! If the defense doesn't rest tomorrow, I will lose my mind. ENOUGH OF THIS CARP ALREADY!!!! Thank GOD for JA to continually turn this BS around! LDB too!
I was seething at Karioth, btw. I lost two grandparents in six months and have NEVER acted ANYTHING like Casey. I am so sorry for all the loss that was talked about by many of you. My heart is with you all. Karioth did get some points back with me when she talked about that one mom who lost the boy. I think she has good intentions, but it was a BAD BAD decision to get attached this trial in ANY way for her.
I also wanted to thank y'all for being so darn funny today! It helped me keep my sanity. And made me realize I shouldn't read Websleuths in my night class when the students are doing group work or are on one of the two breaks I give them, LOL. Faefrost, you about KILLED ME with the stuff you said when Sally Karioth was on the stand!!!! Richard Hornsby and other lawyers also had me laughing out loud. Thank you for that. Dear God, laughter was SORELY needed today.
And on a more somber note, George...I have to say I am totally burned on this family, but it seems he did right by Caylee on the stand. I just can't muster up sympathy for anyone in that family anymore. But maybe I'm a little less mad at him now. I just keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, though. I can't help it with this family anymore.
I also really thought we'd get an outburst from ICA today when Jeff was doing his hypothetical! God, I am so wanting this to be over. I just can't take much more of this. Enough already. Three years is just ENOUGH of this! Caylee deserves justice NOW dangit!
I do hope we get a Fourth of July verdict. How AWESOME would that be?!?!?!!?! The day of USA's independence the same day Casey's is taken away? Oh the IORNY!
And yes, the drinks will be aflowin' for me this weekend! Even more so in victory if we get a guilty verdict!!!! I just know I am going to bawl when it happens. I've waited three of the LONGEST years of my life to hear the word GUILTY!!!! And I'll be sure to be here with all my peeps when it happens!
Now I'm off to bed, see y'all tomorrow!!!!
MsFacetious
06-30-2011, 01:08 AM
I think DCS referred to ICA as "petite," as well. Way too small and meek to ever hurt a fly, don't ya know?
That really humored me...
I am the same size that Casey used to be... possibly smaller.
I am barely 5 feet tall. I can't top 100lbs if I eat nothing but chocolate... even if I'm all muscle.
I get mistaken for a kid when I walk into a restaurant carrying a kid.
I can still shop in the kids section half the time.
Yet, people fear all 5 feet of me.
Seriously, they are afraid of me. :waitasec:
I have a 6'5 bodybuilder ex who is terrified of making me mad.
My dad's ex wife will torture my entire family but if I enter the building she freaks out and leaves.
(They now just fake a call with me when she appears somewhere and she scurries off.)
I don't get it. I'm not social, I can certainly hold my own but I've never been violent.
Casey could hold her own.
I highly doubt Casey would let anyone do anything that she didn't want to do.
Casey could have held her own against Lee.
Casey ran that house as far as I'm concerned, especially once Caylee was born.
kantoo
06-30-2011, 01:09 AM
I would like to talk about the gas cans some more. :wink:
OK
my jokes today
court was late back from lunch: ....did the gas can go out for lunch and get tanked?
oh, sorry, i miscounted the witnesses left for the DT. i thought the gas can was one since it has been on the stand so often.
sorry, i know you saw these earlier. i was just on a roll with the gas can jokes today :woohoo:
Trapshooter
06-30-2011, 01:09 AM
Whew, it's been a day hasn't it my friends?
I felt George's pain today and cried along with him. I was furious with Baez for being so snarky with George. When George said "My daughter and I and God know the truth" and Baez said " you want to throw a dog in there or something?", I thought I was going to blow a gasket!!! :furious: How can Baez be such an ass to a man that is clearly broken? Here's a tip for you Baez, God WILL get you for that!
George's pain was so visceral that he could barely speak. He couldn't understand WHY, HOW, or WHAT happened to his precious Caylee and frankly, neither can I. Then I remembered the jail video of ICA telling George that he was the BEST father and the BEST grandfather anyone could ever have yet she sat there as if she was sleeping with her eyes open. :banghead: She showed such emotion when Lee testified and when the "grief" 'spert (I won't say expert, she was only a 'spert) was talking about HER. She watched her father fall apart on the stand, lose his breath, sobbed loudly and she never blinked an eye? I just don't get it and really, I don't want to get it. I don't ever want to think like ICA or have non-emotions like ICA. I want to be able to feel empathy for another human being, I want to be able to cry when someone else cries, I want to love with my whole heart, I want to be a giving person without a selfish heart, I want to bring happiness to others, not sorrow and pain.
I feel in my heart that Caylee is smiling down on her "JoJo" and thanking him for being the only one in her family that has stood up for her. I hope "JoJo" has a restful night's sleep, knowing in his heart that he finally did the right thing. I hope that "JoJo" will find peace, happiness and contentment. I pray that Caylee continues to touch the lives of millions of people all across the world and brings more awareness to the abuse of children.
MomCat
06-30-2011, 01:12 AM
I think we should all pause for a moment to thank our wonderful Moderators for the terrific job they do all the time, and most especially on really tough days like today.
Thank you, Mods! :woohoo:
:great:
:yourock::fireworks:
RSDhoping for a cure
06-30-2011, 01:14 AM
I like what Judge Alex on HLN said. This is an ABC defense. Anybody But Casey.
He forgot to add "Anybody but Casey and $200,000....that's the ABC defense@
JustMeDeb
06-30-2011, 01:16 AM
Is anyone else nervous about River Cruz and the accident testimony tomorrow?
UGH
After GA's testimony today, JB is really going to look like a fool calling her. What is she really going to prove? At this point, nothing.
Hey boss!
06-30-2011, 01:20 AM
Baez really seems to have dog issues.
RSDhoping for a cure
06-30-2011, 01:21 AM
:gomods::unksam::tyou::yourock:
nursebeeme
06-30-2011, 01:23 AM
Utterly exhausted.
I almost cried during GA testimony.
But then after the grief lady set everyone off and everyone began sharing the most personal, touching stories... well, I haven't cried that much in ages. I felt wrung out. Wiped out. Flattened.
But maybe it was all for the good? Because now, hours later (don't quite know how to describe this) I feel... lighter. Lifted, somehow. Better. As if a lot of what I had been holding tightly inside was released or set free by what was being shared.
Strange, eh?
Gonna go hug hubby now, and kiss every one of my cats. Feeling very blessed to have had these loved ones that were once in my life but who are now gone, and doubly blessed for the ones still within arms reach. Maybe sometimes we just need the reminder.
And a ((((((((((hug!)))))))))) to you too, nursebeeme.
Yes. Feeling better. And thank you so much for caring enough to ask.
So... how are you holding up, NB?
(((((((((hugs to you and everyone here first of all))))))))))))))
and thanks for asking..
I feel:
1) ANGRY at the defense team Case in Chief and angry at ICA's reactions
2) SAD at thinking about all the lives affected by ICA's lies and misdeeds and all the lives she has affected and effected
3) CONFUSED at the judicial system at times and also confused as to if what we all know after three years of knowing what really happened is really being displayed enough to this jury.
4) SCARED that the state has not yet proven this thing beyond a reasonable doubt
5) TERRIFIED of what will happen during jury deliberations and the outcome.
6) NOSTALGIC of all that I have shared with my websleuths friends over the years
7) HOPEFUL that justice will be served
8) PROUD that HHJP is the judge presiding here and also that I am watching this unfold with all of you websleuthers!
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I am sure I am feeling more.. but that about sums it up. Thank you for asking. And might I also add that it is people like all of you who contribute here that make this place what it is! So many people with so many rich life experiences, wit, intelligence (list goes on)... You all give me hope that this will end the way we all want it to.
Etiana
06-30-2011, 01:23 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
Like so many others, I'm exhausted. And I'm fed up with the DT tactics of chaos and confusion in order to take the focus off who killed Caylee Marie Anthony.
I feel good about what the PT has presented versus the unsubstantiated claims of the DT. However, I'm nervous about tomorrow, I actually don't want ICA to take the stand. I don't want to hear her voice, I don't want to hear anymore. of. her. lies.
RSDhoping for a cure
06-30-2011, 01:27 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
I feel Grief! That sums everything up right?
allycat1208
06-30-2011, 01:30 AM
After finishing listening to most of the testimony today, it only seems like JB hurt KC more than he helped her. The poor grief counselor...I don't think she was so bad, but of course no match for JA. Of course Ashton came up with a great line of questions making her imply that sure....anything can be a possible symptom of grief. Also, why did JB ask George about how KC was engaging in risky behavior? Didn't that only hurt his client more than help him? Risky behavior would imply that she would do something a bit off to Caylee.
The Eunice Burns
06-30-2011, 01:30 AM
All of this is going to backfire on JB and KC. No jury would sympathize w/ a defendant and her attorney who eviscerated George on the stand. The *you want to throw a dog in there or something?* comment, only made JB appear cruel and inhumane. And his client as well.
I also got the distinct impression that JA and HHJP took care of George today. The jury had to notice this.
allycat1208
06-30-2011, 01:34 AM
They just showed something on Nancy Grace that I did not see today. Judge Perry asked Casey a question and she just said that she agreed with Ms. Finnell. What did JP ask her about? I never heard the question.
Etiana
06-30-2011, 01:35 AM
(((((((((hugs to you and everyone here first of all))))))))))))))
and thanks for asking..
I feel:
1) ANGRY at the defense team Case in Chief and angry at ICA's reactions
2) SAD at thinking about all the lives affected by ICA's lies and misdeeds and all the lives she has affected and effected
3) CONFUSED at the judicial system at times and also confused as to if what we all know after three years of knowing what really happened is really being displayed enough to this jury.
4) SCARED that the state has not yet proven this thing beyond a reasonable doubt
5) TERRIFIED of what will happen during jury deliberations and the outcome.
6) NOSTALGIC of all that I have shared with my websleuths friends over the years
7) HOPEFUL that justice will be served
8) PROUD that HHJP is the judge presiding here and also that I am watching this unfold with all of you websleuthers!
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I am sure I am feeling more.. but that about sums it up. Thank you for asking. And might I also add that it is people like all of you who contribute here that make this place what it is! So many people with so many rich life experiences, wit, intelligence (list goes on)... You all give me hope that this will end the way we all want it to.
Yes, that sums up how I feel too! For those who have followed this for such a long time I give you major kudos, it's been draining for me to keep up with this for the last month and a half and not go out of my mind! I feel close to the people on this forum in a short period of time, I can only imagine how the long timers are feeling, it's got to be bittersweet that this is coming to an end.
Hopefully soon the long awaited relief will come when the jury reaches their verdict.
nursebeeme
06-30-2011, 01:36 AM
I feel Grief! That sums everything up right?
everything is grief according the expert witness.. is drinking a bud light grief? cause I am doing it now and DT has caused me some grief!:rocker:
Hey boss!
06-30-2011, 01:37 AM
They just showed something on Nancy Grace that I did not see today. Judge Perry asked Casey a question and she just said that she agreed with Ms. Finnell. What did JP ask her about? I never heard the question.
AF was arguing her death penalty motion over the phone, and none of ICAs lawyers bothered to show up for it. So she had to stand and say that it was ok to proceed, and that she agreed with what AF was arguing.
gngr~snap
06-30-2011, 01:38 AM
They just showed something on Nancy Grace that I did not see today. Judge Perry asked Casey a question and she just said that she agreed with Ms. Finnell. What did JP ask her about? I never heard the question.
Her defense tean didn't show up on time. Only AF. HHJBP couldn't do something (not sure what) without direction from the defense. They were holding court up so at AF advice ICA stood up and authorized whatever it was.
sorry not much help I know
nursebeeme
06-30-2011, 01:39 AM
They just showed something on Nancy Grace that I did not see today. Judge Perry asked Casey a question and she just said that she agreed with Ms. Finnell. What did JP ask her about? I never heard the question.
http://www.wftv.com/video/28393657/index.html
you can watch it here^^^
Emma Peel
06-30-2011, 01:39 AM
(((((((((hugs to you and everyone here first of all))))))))))))))
and thanks for asking..
I feel:
1) ANGRY at the defense team Case in Chief and angry at ICA's reactions
2) SAD at thinking about all the lives affected by ICA's lies and misdeeds and all the lives she has affected and effected
3) CONFUSED at the judicial system at times and also confused as to if what we all know after three years of knowing what really happened is really being displayed enough to this jury.
4) SCARED that the state has not yet proven this thing beyond a reasonable doubt
5) TERRIFIED of what will happen during jury deliberations and the outcome.
6) NOSTALGIC of all that I have shared with my websleuths friends over the years
7) HOPEFUL that justice will be served
8) PROUD that HHJP is the judge presiding here and also that I am watching this unfold with all of you websleuthers!
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I am sure I am feeling more.. but that about sums it up. Thank you for asking. And might I also add that it is people like all of you who contribute here that make this place what it is! So many people with so many rich life experiences, wit, intelligence (list goes on)... You all give me hope that this will end the way we all want it to.
:grouphug:
that's so nice nurse.
and back atcha & all the mods, admin & fellow posters
:heart:
em
Leila
06-30-2011, 01:51 AM
Hello WS'ers! My first post as a delurking newbie. I've been reading this forum for a couple of weeks since I haven't been able to watch the trial on TV. I must say, you all are AMAZING with your Q&A and knowledge of all the details regarding this case. And it's refreshing not to see posters bashing other posters. I think I'm gonna love it here. Thanks for letting me in the club :)
:welcome:artsy_mom_of_2! :)
nursebeeme
06-30-2011, 01:53 AM
goodnight guys! see you all tomorrow. may we all wake up refreshed and ready for testimony tomorrow. I hope everyone sleeps well and has a restful night.
(((((hugs)))))) to everyone!
Plumeria5
06-30-2011, 01:54 AM
What are your predictions for witnesses on the final day for the defense?
River Cruz
who else?
Casey??
RSDhoping for a cure
06-30-2011, 01:56 AM
everything is grief according the expert witness.. is drinking a bud light grief? cause I am doing it now and DT has caused me some grief!:rocker:
According to the "expert" everything is! Mind if I open a bottle of BL and share in your grief?
Caligram
06-30-2011, 01:58 AM
The strong sweet spirit of Caylee Marie Angelbabe will most likely be with all of us WSers forevermore. She has stolen our hearts with her innocence and her huge pleading eyes have brought many a tear to ours. My wish is that Caylee Marie's short life has made an impact on some young people who might otherwise regard parenthood as temporary and their children as throwaways.
RSDhoping for a cure
06-30-2011, 02:00 AM
What are your predictions for witnesses on the final day for the defense?
River Cruz
who else?
Casey??
George
Lee
CA
George
CA
George
River Boat
The End
Plumeria5
06-30-2011, 02:03 AM
George
Lee
CA
George
CA
George
River Boat
The End
River Boat :floorlaugh:
JB Fletcher
06-30-2011, 02:12 AM
I look forward to the verdict being read (guilty) and seeing the look on ICA's face. That will be the money shot.
MomCat
06-30-2011, 02:37 AM
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
om gosh guys! are you not all blown away by today? I know I am... how are you all feeling coming into the home stretch?
Tried to post this earlier but got logged out and it got eaten.
I am angry, and alwsys will be, about what was done to Caylee. am angry about all the lives that have been destroyed because of one persons selfishness. feel a anxious for the jury to begin deliberations. DH says he thinks it'll only take long enough for the jury to vote once, then say hug each othrr goodbye, maybe exchange a few phone numbers, thrn go back out to tell HHJP theyve reached a verdict -- guilty. And yes, we will all resume lives we've often put on hold for three years. Once more housework and laundry will get done on time, employers business will be attended to with full attention, meals will be cooked rather than forgotten, overgrown gardens will be weeded, and our families will be relieved our obsession is over.
And yes, we will have our normal everyday lives back, but so sadly, little Caylee will not. The unimaginable horror perpetrated on this sweet, innocent child can never be taken back.
But she will finally have had justice.
Baznme
06-30-2011, 02:47 AM
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bbm
With all due respect, I disagree. In fact, I know for a fact that what you stated is not true.
I could explain further, but my focus right now is on Caylee Marie Anthony.
Furthermore, as far as all of the "lies George has told" as your post states........oh nevermind, not worth it.
Makes me think of that song......"Walk a mile in my shoes".......
MomCat
06-30-2011, 03:28 AM
Very nice of the mods (parental units?) to let us stay up late on a school nite. Guess they noticed we're playing quietly and behaving ourselves after a really rough day, bless 'em.
DAWN TREADER
06-30-2011, 03:45 AM
:grouphug:
that's so nice nurse.
and back atcha & all the mods, admin & fellow posters
:heart:
em
I second that emotion!
:wave:
DT
SoSueMe
06-30-2011, 05:44 AM
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