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beach
07-03-2011, 05:25 PM
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Kimster
07-03-2011, 05:28 PM
Here's my shameless plug:

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QB.
07-03-2011, 05:28 PM
CM has stated he plans to keep it short. Thank you CM.

21merc7
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
CM said we do not have to listen to 10 to 12 hours more.

Being calm and respectful to jurors.

Uh oh, going into philosophy, a fave of mine, but jurors, idk.
ETA: It sounds like a somewhat poetic story about judgment day, you get the idea. Not really philosophy though.

NoeticSoul
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
CM reading a story to the jury lol :)
A history lesson!

Tulessa
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
Links in siggy. :)

rose222
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
short = an hour for CM!

TiaM
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
I don't know guys. I was a HUGE "Innocent until proven guilty" person in this case in the beginning. Then in the last few weeks I said, "She Did It". Now............. I think what JB said made a lot of sense to me. Casey's emotions today said a lot to me as well. I think something is very wrong with Casey but I don't see intentional murder here.

Please don't judge me; going with my gut and the evidence. This case is crazy and I've never followed a case before except for this.

I just am on the fence now because I really feel JB did a great job in closing argument.

You have to go with the actual evidence as it was presented. Not with a desperate attorney's spin on that evidence, in a closing argument where he is allowed to say anything he wants about the evidence or the people who presented it and testified to it.

The jury took notes during testimony, they will be able to see the difference between what the testimony (the evidence) is and what the spin is.

Mohabi
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
Wow, I made it back from family event and I get to watch the end of this.

Tiki
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
oh no - i'm kinda' liking CM.
Maybe it's just the contrast . . . .

.ETA: I'm a sucker for a well-told story.

.

Cherry Baby
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
Gotta say it again...you've got to be kidding me. It's good ole boy story time. Cripes!

Wonder if ICA will give CM a hug too.

anb
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
Oh no, CM is reading a narrative. This is already starting off on a bad foot...

Softail
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
CM has stated he plans to keep it short. Thank you CM.

I think he lied. :giggle:

shelbar53
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
he is hard to listen to, he mumbles and is boring, no personality, I'm sure the jury is tuning out, esp after JB.

gelfie68
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
At least he didn't say "I say, I mean, I say My dear old Pappy once told me............"

Eidetic
07-03-2011, 05:29 PM
Now we are getting a history lesson.

3doglady
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Sounds like CM is preaching a sermon.

mentalsolstice
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Oh thank goodness, I thought I was here all by my lonesome self.

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Lecture us Mason, we love it.

Stella5
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
From the trial thread... BS is wrong! Jeff only used 1 hour & 17 minutes... Linda has 2 hours & 43 minutes.... NOT an hour & 20 minutes. Guess he failed math.

Emma Peel
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
cheney tells a story?

Like the jury hasn't been here long enough.


heck, like we haven't been here long enough.

TiaM
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Now <modsnip> is going to read a story to us....

tut med
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
They want to talk the jury to death! That is the defense I just figured it out!

LyndyLoo
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
TY TY TY..Yikes!!

Hope CM is brief..yet he starts out with a "Parable'...Go CM..get to it...We want to hear from LDB

Sorry for showing biases:innocent:

faefrost
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
OK what on earth is CM talking about? Did he accidentally bring his 4th of July speech to the rotary club instead of his closing arguments?

gngr~snap
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
I think CM stole one of JB's Red Bulls...

Yellow Rose
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Those of you who fell for JB spin on the evidence as presented need to wait for the PT to finish up. Because he spun everything completely to make everyone guilty but his very own, and in his words, slut.

Wrinkles
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
And justice for all...starting with Caley! HER PROTECTION!

Cubby
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
I wonder if the jurors are still awake. I'm fighting sleep hard!

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
This history lesson doesn't bode well for clarity.

RiverRat
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
History Class Time...zzzzzzzzzzz

Quiche
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Bombast for a summer evening...

ROKA2011
07-03-2011, 05:30 PM
You have to go with the actual evidence as it was presented. Not with a desperate attorney's spin on that evidence, in a closing argument where he is allowed to say anything he wants about the evidence or the people who presented it and testified to it.

The jury took notes during testimony, they will be able to see the difference between what the testimony and the spin is.

I saw the evidence, but it's not all there. For those who questioned me.... I followed this case since day 1, not just now all of a sudden. The defense did an excellent closing argument and put a lot of doubt in my mind and last week I believed she murdered her. After today, I don't.

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
oh no - i'm kinda' liking CM.
Maybe it's just the contrast . . . .

.

Must be, I was thinking the same thing! CM is talking about Constitutional rights and freedoms.

okiedokietoo
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
CM is giving a Founding Fathers/4th of July speech and I am insulted - yes it applies and it is a good speech but I am insulted that this speech is given to a Jury to make a point about ICA's innocence and will forever be part of this case

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
CM is an old pro at this

JBounds
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
Yay a new thread.

monique
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
That's right CM...remind the jury that they are missing all the July 4th festivities while the DT drones on and on.

CN2Souls
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
Voice over CM voice with Alvin of the Chipmunks has really helped me be able to listen to him.... :lol:

Beyond Belief
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
You have to put the jury on a guilt trip before you let them go.

Emma Peel
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
LOL

CM here ya go: :fireworks:

scout35
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
I feel like I'm at the Hall of Presidents in Disney World.

21merc7
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
HHJP is calm and listening intently

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
Okay, so I'm going to tell you about the Judge's charge, and then he will do it all again tomorrow. Geez.

gelfie68
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
I wonder if the jurors are still awake. I'm fighting sleep hard!

everyone sitting in my living room is asleep. Well, 'cept me.

xin
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
Wow, I made it back from family event and I get to watch the end of this.

We hope it's the end and not still the middle.

Amity
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
Tried posting but thread was closed so bringing it here.

This is torture! I find myself constantly numbing myself with food while I hear JB talk! I've gone from 102 to a 105 pounds just because of his whining!!

Oh My Gosh.....My Right Thigh weighs more than you do! :)

I went from dry cold cereal to dried, sweetened banana chips.
Both very sweet, both full of calories.

Those of us who have gained over the last 6 weeks can also blame this on Casey.
This is our version of getting thrown under the bus, no? :)

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
his job is to go over the charges and convince them that she is not guilty of anything....problem is they never finished the charge conference so he cannot say for certain how it will go

Chilly Willy
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/03/casey-anthony-trial-verdict-poll_n_889038.html

According to a poll on this site ^ almost 18% of people feel Casey is not guilty.

USARDOG
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
This seems a huge waste of time to me.

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
does CM think he is a judge

Jasmine_xoxo
07-03-2011, 05:32 PM
From the other defense thread re shoes & socks...
As a mom of 3 sons I can attest to the fact that when it was summer they were barefoot more than they weren't. It's meaningless IMO.

PS CM history lesson = zzzzzzz

Quester
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
Sounds like he has given this same closing many times.

driver
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
I think this is a good time to take a break. CM bores me to death on a good day. I don't think it would be good to subject myself to him today.

Eidetic
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
Well Mason, on this eve of the independence our nation Caylee will have justice served. This was her nation as well and she can no longer sing patriotic songs, memorize and abide laws or even watch fireworks.

2goldfish
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
this is awful.....it's already 10.30 my time, my lil one is sleeping, I'm getting a little yawny :(

Yellow Rose
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
All I do, over and over is go back to: 31 days!!!! If it was an accident it would have been called into 911 and responded to within 31 MINUTES.

Wrinkles
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
Light a candle for Caley?

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
Casey Anthony is not required to prove anything

Carolina Girl
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
Why is the Judge letting him do jury instructions?

xin
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
CM is an old pro at this

He wishes he was Gerry Spence.

LglNrs
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
My puppy doggie, Reggie made tons of smiles after JB ended his closing and I am attempting to upload his cuteness for some "comical relief"(quote by JB)

Nenato5
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
CM then Jose again. I think the defense is dragging this out hoping the prosecution will not be able to get to rebuttal tonight.

christee
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
KBelichWFTV (http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV) Kathi Belich, WFTV

Cheney Mason tried to joke withthem about wanting to listen to lawyers for another 12 hours.. Nobody laughed or even smiled

Oakley
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
OSCaseyAnthony Casey Anthony News
Mason philosophizes. #CaseyAnthony #closingarguments

Is that what he was doing?

RR473
07-03-2011, 05:33 PM
CM so for not good, wasted his own time. :)

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
I am feeling very discouraged right now

Shyla
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
What the heck. I am in a bad mood now! Sit down Mason.

KR2tonenow
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
No, they are trying to bore the Jury to sleep!!

anb
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Do you think the jury has noticed that Casey only cries and looks sad when people only talk about her or when she thinks it benefits her? I know we all have, but has it been obvious enough for the jurors to notice it? Especially those who do not like to judge?

logicalgirl
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Well that was nice change of thread- a little excitement in the middle of an excruciatingly boring afternoon except that I believe I fell asleep for about five minutes and so didn't manage to count all of Baez's lies - but I did get up to 46.

Freaking unbelievable!

Quiche
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
KBelichWFTV (http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV) Kathi Belich, WFTV



Cheney Mason tried to joke withthem about wanting to listen to lawyers for another 12 hours.. Nobody laughed or even smiled

:eek: :floorlaugh:

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Ok, we understand Casey doesn't have to present evidence or prooooooooooooove ANYthing.

Can you stop now?

SallyC
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
CM, yawn!!!!!!

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Juror 11 just sat his notepad down. Now sitting with arms crossed and leg propped up. #CaseyAnthony #jurors #closingarguments -jfell

jane the dood
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Bombast for a summer evening...

:floorlaugh:

greycoupon
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Cheney, I love ya, but you are losing the jury. They don't want to hear a parable and history lesson. They are hungry and want to go get dinner.

Dear Prudence
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
If I was on this jury I would be struggling to stay awake and pay attention and not feel grumpy with the defense for making this day last so long.

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
I'm guessing that CM might be trying to emphasize that they must not violate Casey's Constitutional rights when reaching a decision. Basically, telling them to keep the laws in mind, and not go with emotion.

Oakley
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
CM then Jose again. I think the defense is dragging this out hoping the prosecution will not be able to get to rebuttal tonight.

Noooooooo - please say it isn't so :cry:

Isn't their four hours nearly up???

Boytwnmom
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
apt description of the defense team here. JB didn't leave him much time so I'm sure HHJP will give CM extra.



Bombast for a summer evening...

reeseeva
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Why should he be allowed to PONTIFICATE, as if he is the Judge? I can't listen to this, it's sickening....

NavySubMom
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Is this CM's Swan Song? Wonder if he will "officially" retire after this?? IMO. MOO.

flourish
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
If I was on the jury, I'd feel like a student in a classroom being admonished and lectured by a boring professor.

otto
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/03/casey-anthony-trial-verdict-poll_n_889038.html

According to a poll on this site ^ almost 18% of people feel Casey is not guilty.

Police framed her by planting the smell of death in the trunk of her car?

Stella5
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
Dear Mr. Mason... thank you very much for that boring history lesson on our constitution, but from what I recall of that very important document not one of us has a constitutional right to murder our baby so we can go party. TYVM.

LglNrs
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
From Twitter:
CFNews13
Juror 11 just sat his notepad down. Now sitting with arms crossed and leg propped up. #CaseyAnthony #jurors #closingarguments -jfell

concentric
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
IMO - It sounds like CM is battering the jury, hammering: anything!!!!

SuziQ
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
I have never ever seen such a joke allowed in court ever.....did I say joke? Yes I did. Florida allows this biased display? Omg.....

TakeNote
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
:waitasec: did he just say a law suite?

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
He can enunciate when he wants to

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
DiDimond Diane Dimond
Cheney Mason at top of his closing-huh? #caseyanthony jury liking the chg or pace or wondering huh? Does he gives this at all his cases?

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
:eek: :floorlaugh:

Because they know, like we do, that even if CM only talks for 10 minutes, it's gonna feel like 12 hours.

md89
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
Is the state doing their rebuttal arguments tomorrow or after CM?

Cat99
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
Why is the Judge letting him do jury instructions?
Was wondering that myself...

JMO

CN2Souls
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
I thought JB's Closing "J. Cochran" line was going to be:

If she's a S**T you must Rebut.... :lol:

Emma Peel
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
I feel like I'm at the Hall of Presidents in Disney World.

Thanks. Now I remember why CM's voice is familiar.

Mark Twain. Hall of Presidents. Disney World.

minus the humor.

yup. :yes:

MAL954
07-03-2011, 05:35 PM
As a Florida homeowner and conspicuous consumer, my question is whether I'm actually underwriting part of this JB diarrhea of mouth scatter gun/scatterbrain travesty?? If so, I will be petitioning Tallahassee for a 1-time RE tax deduction.

JSR
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
There is nothing I love more than the U.S. Constitution. I have a imitation first page framed hanging on my study wall, as well as the declaration and bill of rights. Please DO NOT try to marry something as wonderful and perfect as our Constitution and ICA.

I respect ICA's right to a trial by a jury of her peers but it doesn't mean I have to like the way in which she is utilizing that right. She has dragged her family and a number of people in the mud during her pursuit of walking on this murder charge. It's her right to do it but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it, but I do respect her right.

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
The Court will deliver instructions, Mr. Mason. It isn't going to make them mean more if you say them first.

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
Noooooooo - please say it isn't so :cry:

Isn't their four hours nearly up???

Jose is done IMO

Shyla
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
isn't this Judge Perry's job?

LawRig
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
much easier to just watch the video with the sound off

Oakley
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
Whomever suggested it was treadmill time had the right idea. Enough abuse already.

anb
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/03/casey-anthony-trial-verdict-poll_n_889038.html

According to a poll on this site ^ almost 18% of people feel Casey is not guilty.

Oh No!!! I just looked at the link, and only 50% think she is guilty of murder. The rest either think she is guilty of a smaller charge or not guilty. I am starting to panic. :(

shelbar53
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
CM then Jose again. I think the defense is dragging this out hoping the prosecution will not be able to get to rebuttal tonight.

WHAT JB AGAIN? OMG i'm having chest pains, please tell me your kidding.

4realtho
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
Oooooooommmmmmmmmgggggggg!

Etiana
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
I don't like him thinking he's the judge :( CM you're no Judge Perry.

JSR
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/03/casey-anthony-trial-verdict-poll_n_889038.html

According to a poll on this site ^ almost 18% of people feel Casey is not guilty.

That is ENTIRELY way too high.

Beyond Belief
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
Guilt trip coming.........

mck16
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
I'm guessing that CM might be trying to emphasize that they must not violate Casey's Constitutional rights when reaching a decision. Basically, telling them to keep the laws in mind, and not go with emotion.

To me he is basically saying 'we know we didn't prove her innocence, but we don't have to'. I think he is making excuses for their lack of defense. jmo

reeseeva
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
Please bring in Cayles's rights.....

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
will we be hearing state finish tomorrow or just jury instructions

KR2tonenow
07-03-2011, 05:36 PM
DiDimond Diane Dimond
Cheney Mason at top of his closing-huh? #caseyanthony jury liking the chg or pace or wondering huh? Does he gives this at all his cases?

Why are people allow to tweet about the jury? Seems unethical to me.

NavySubMom
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
and then JB said he will come up again?? Maybe JB's final words will be like during the trial when he would change his own witnesses into Prosecution witnesses. Who knows what he still has left to say, IMO.

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
isn't this Judge Perry's job?



Thats what I have been saying. This is not his place.

joe jones
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
he really needed to get into the evidence from the outset, for the state to be successful he should be rehabbing GA after the defence bashing,

momtective
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
:doh: :thud:
Please make it stop!

JustMeDeb
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
Did he say, Can I offer you some KFC? Sorry, I am punch drunk from this long day

mentalsolstice
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
This is the lecture we got from my Criminal Law/Procedure professor, verbatim. I guess I can go do something else now, nothing new here.

Rallihanna
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
Most people believe she was chloroforming her and that this time she gave her too much -they classify that as an accident.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
just said or boards or whatever.....after JB ranted about the missing white board

JB Fletcher
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
I saw the evidence, but it's not all there. For those who questioned me.... I followed this case since day 1, not just now all of a sudden. The defense did an excellent closing argument and put a lot of doubt in my mind and last week I believed she murdered her. After today, I don't.


I have not changed my mind and I have followed the case since the beginning as well. The defense's closing arguments have not swayed me.

Keep in mind there is still the state's rebuttal. MOO

Beaglemania
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
Reminds me of that GEICO commercial..." should you let Foghorn Leghorn read a story to the class?,,,,,"it was the best of times..it was the worst of times"

Oakley
07-03-2011, 05:37 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/03/casey-anthony-trial-verdict-poll_n_889038.html

According to a poll on this site ^ almost 18% of people feel Casey is not guilty.

Consider the source......

AnotherGladysKravitz
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
I just heard what sounded like a huge sigh and thought, oh no, not again. It was just my cat. Even my cat is bored by CM's history lesson. Yawn. Bring on LDB.

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Cheney, I love ya, but you are losing the jury. They don't want to hear a parable and history lesson. They are hungry and want to go get dinner.

Yeah, and he just reminded them that tomorrow is a holiday. And they're sitting here listening to this guy.

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/023-[Sign]-[SuperEmoticons_com].gif

stilettos
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Lord Jesus Help me!

Bullwinkle
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Mason referred to the evidence exhibits as "three-hundred and sixty-six pieces of something."

ablins
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
I'm hoping you're right and deep down I think the same but I would have felt better if he had fell on his face.....I'm sure we'll be satisfied with LDB's rebuttal because she's an awesome attorney that has went above and beyond to prove the Defense wrong......I keep telling myself that reasonablt doubt cannot exist in an actual parent.

Nova24
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
will we be hearing state finish tomorrow or just jury instructions

JP said instructions tomorrow morning and he would take blame for that because he should have had court on Sat as well.

Etiana
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
To me he is basically saying 'we know we didn't prove her innocence, but we don't have to'. I think he is making excuses for their lack of defense. jmo

I agree.

JustMeDeb
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
danielabrams How about this for an Oj theme. "If krunk is "shady" you must release this lady." #caseyanthony #closingarguments

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
As a Florida homeowner and conspicuous consumer, my question is whether I'm actually underwriting part of this JB diarrhea of mouth scatter gun/scatterbrain travesty?? If so, I will be petitioning Tallahassee for a 1-time RE tax deduction.

What's a conspicuous consumer?

ETA: I'm already brain dead and CM's been talking for 5 minutes.

Lanie
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
I only think Baez' closing is effective if the jury is willing to believe in massive conspiracy theories involving everyone from the Anthony family through LE and outside experts.

If the jury is willing to George Anthony keeps his duct tape locked away somewhere where he is the only one with access.

If the jury is willing to believe Roy Kronk is a money-grubbing media you know what who turned down the opportunity, not once, but twice, to go down and make a big dramatic press release to all the media that was right down the street.

If the jury is willing to believe a family not willing to call out their daughter for lying about her pregnancy is somehow so abusive towards her, even though there has been no evidence presented about ICA about having bruises or broken bones, either, that it's perfectly normal for her to go traipsing off to Blockbuster arm in arm with her bf just a few hours after seeing her own daughter's dead body.

I could go on and on, but that seems to be Baez' job.

RR473
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
I can't see the jury members but if they look uninterested it means they have already decided.

MissDiva
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Reminds me of that GEICO commercial..." should you let Foghorn Leghorn read a story to the class?,,,,,"it was the best of times..it was the worst of times"

OMG, my mom was JUST saying that!!

Tulessa
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Sigh... :waiting:

lemon
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Ok maybe I like CM a leeeetle bit... but just a little. "or (scoffs) boards"

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:38 PM
I was expecting something different from him....if I was a juror I would feel talked down to right now. I think we all know how to decided about what we see

heartfortruth
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
This seems a huge waste of time to me.

Could that possibly be the purpose? That and to wear everyone down for LDB's part? Everyone is tired. If LDB can get up there and wake up the jurors with something that is cohesive and brings out the simple truth she will deserve a gold medal!

Dr.Fessel
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
I lit a candle back in the 1700s............

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/Denver_Pyle.jpg

NavySubMom
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
I am really trying to listen, honestly, but I keep zoning out. I think the jury might be doing the same thing. IMO.

ROKA2011
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
okay, I'm wiped. I'm going to go ask my MIL who is 87 to play us some piano. She is wonderful and I'm going to think of Caylee when she plays Have a wonderful 4th everyone!

Dr. Know?
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_el-chRLXZC8/StyJnLpMQCI/AAAAAAAAALM/q9cz8z81Whw/s200/Snake_oil_salesman_small.jpg-

jwbear
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
From the other defense thread re shoes & socks...
As a mom of 3 sons I can attest to the fact that when it was summer they were barefoot more than they weren't. It's meaningless IMO.

PS CM history lesson = zzzzzzz

I totally agree. I don't know how many times I've nearly driven into the city for errands when I've notice my daughter didn't bother to put shoes on. That point seemed so silly to me.

nursebeeme
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
.............I am going out to light the grill..... anything is better than this

NiteNurse
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Oh no. Seriously??? Instructions tomorrow??? Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

rose222
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Oh No!!! I just looked at the link, and only 50% think she is guilty of murder. The rest either think she is guilty of a smaller charge or not guilty. I am starting to panic. :(

My advice to you? Stay clear of such pre-verdict polls/comments etc. Just hope and and wait for the verdict. That alone matters. :)

TiaM
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Good thing the "burden of proof" is not on the DT, because they would suck at that too. Judging by Baez' ranting, raving, ridiculous, rambling attempt at a closing argument (Everybody is ganging up on ICA and SODDI), the jury would never stop laughing/yawning.

Thankfully these jurors are (hopefully) not incapacitated, inebrieted or just incompetent. Those would be the only ones that would have given that waste of time any credence.

Either that or poor souls that are on his payroll (or interns), or are hoping to get a big interview from him, or are his future co-workers.

Stella5
07-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Most people believe she was chloroforming her and that this time she gave her too much -they classify that as an accident.

Chloroforming your child is still Aggravated Child Abuse and Murder 1. There is no such thing as accidentally giving your child chloroform or too much chloroform. What are these people smoking, or sniffing as the case may be?

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
Hey, thanks for straightening that "impeachment" thing out for us, CM. There being so many syllables and all, it just was way over our (the jury's) head. Thanks!

sissyjane
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
B-o-r-i-n-g!!!!!

Claudette
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
His slow southern talking is driving this Yank batty.

TakeNote
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
his voice is scary when it's raspy.....:eek:

fifteen89
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
danielabrams How about this for an Oj theme. "If krunk is "shady" you must release this lady." #caseyanthony #closingarguments

JB didn't say he was 'shady' - he said morally bankrupt. Is there something there about bankrupt, stealing from friends and writing checks that aren't yours?

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
JP said instructions tomorrow morning and he would take blame for that because he should have had court on Sat as well.

so state finishes up tonight.

thanks

Granna6
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
Could the defense be dragging this out so that jury will resent the state for delivering rebuttal tomorrow and depriving them of their holiday?

NavySubMom
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
he really needed to get into the evidence from the outset, for the state to be successful he should be rehabbing GA after the defence bashing,

??

Cheney mason is on the Defense side. Then Baez said he was coming up again. The State won't be back up for about another hour in my estimation. IMO.

rose222
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
this makes it easy for the jurors. Verdict in one hour!

3doglady
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
My puppy doggie, Reggie made tons of smiles after JB ended his closing and I am attempting to upload his cuteness for some "comical relief"(quote by JB)

Oh He's so cute! I bathed, cut and brushed my 70lb springer all during JB's CS and he was still talking when I finished.

flourish
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
Sigh... :waiting:


Totally...I feel like I'm literally losing brain cells. LITERALLY.

gelfie68
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
Sorry had to share

kyrasmummy
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
I'm trying to stay awake as its late here in the UK but CM is sending me straight to sleep. YAWN

MsFacetious
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
I actually don't mind them dragging it out... I REALLY don't want them to get the case until Tuesday.

I have said numerous times... too many cases of "speeding up" the deliberations to get home for a holiday. If they get the case Monday morning even... there is still time to have a quick deliberation and get done.

They may forget all about the sentencing. They may just think "if we are out of here by this time, we can make it home for fireworks." Or something...

RobinBFaboulous
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
I hold out my hope from the Scott Peterson trial... that the jury judged his guilt on his actions

Quester
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
He's using voice inflections like he's telling a scary, bedtime story.

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
Yes they will weigh the witnesses' credibility and find the SA witnesses very credible.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
not impressed with CM yet....sounds too much like jury selection questions

2anthro
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
If I was on this jury I would be struggling to stay awake and pay attention and not feel grumpy with the defense for making this day last so long.

IF I am called for jury duty I'm gonna tell them I have IBS and narcolepsy.

lajones81
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
CM then Jose again. I think the defense is dragging this out hoping the prosecution will not be able to get to rebuttal tonight.

What?! Link?

Mandy113
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
So I guess it was ok for ICA to be inconsistent in her stories and outright lie because she didn't do it while under oath and testifying in court. That's what I got out of CM's speech ... I mean closing statement so far.

Marina2
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
Ok maybe I like CM a leeeetle bit... but just a little. "or (scoffs) boards"
Everything's relative. Look what we just went through. CM has never sounded so calm, soothing to me as he does now. My ears are ringing still.

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
That is ENTIRELY way too high.

I love it, but the Huffington Post is a VERY liberal site/magazine :-) I think a mix of mainstream and HP would raise the guilty verdict IMHO

TiaM
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
I only think Baez' closing is effective if the jury is willing to believe in massive conspiracy theories involving everyone from the Anthony family through LE and outside experts.

If the jury is willing to George Anthony keeps his duct tape locked away somewhere where he is the only one with access.

If the jury is willing to believe Roy Kronk is a money-grubbing media you know what who turned down the opportunity, not once, but twice, to go down and make a big dramatic press release to all the media that was right down the street.

If the jury is willing to believe a family not willing to call out their daughter for lying about her pregnancy is somehow so abusive towards her, even though there has been no evidence presented about ICA about having bruises or broken bones, either, that it's perfectly normal for her to go traipsing off to Blockbuster arm in arm with her bf just a few hours after seeing her own daughter's dead body.

I could go on and on, but that seems to be Baez' job.

Don't forget aliens (no offense to Kimster). :floorlaugh:

my2sense
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
I don't know what the jury will do, but I hate to be lied to. As soon as Jose lied in his closing (which he did several times, not the least of which was saying the Anthonys said they didn't have child locks), I would stop listening or believing him. So, if that's a good closing, I don't know what a bad one is like. I'm inexperienced.

Etiana
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
Why is he going on and on about this? It's Judge Perry's job and it ticks me that CM thinks he special getting the instructions in first.

Granna6
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
His slow southern talking is driving this Yank batty.

Hey, I'm a Georgia girl and he's driving ME nuts!

IfIMay
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
seriously? they should have ended on Baez's speech. This is just bringing down the room. I only understand 1 out of 4 words.

RR473
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
B-o-r-i-n-g!!!!!

My thoughts exactly. :)

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
Elephant? What elephant?

BetteDavisEyes
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
.............I am going out to light the grill..... anything is better than this

I'm fasting until the case goes to the jury :D

momtective
07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
Please bring in Cayles's rights.....

The SA will take care of it. I hope they show tons of pictures of Caylee and point out all the rights she was denied...Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...she was denied her most basic right under our Constitution...her life.

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
I actually don't mind them dragging it out... I REALLY don't want them to get the case until Tuesday.

I have said numerous times... too many cases of "speeding up" the deliberations to get home for a holiday. If they get the case Monday morning even... there is still time to have a quick deliberation and get done.

They may forget all about the sentencing. They may just think "if we are out of here by this time, we can make it home for fireworks." Or something...

As long as she's found guilty I have no problem what their reasoning or timing is!

otto
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
This guy sounds like he's preaching.

RR0004
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
I thought they weren't allowed to bring up her NOT testifying...or was that just meant for the State?

SyraKelly
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
We need to bring LDB up and wake this jury up!!!

Dear Prudence
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
Whoa Cheney just called Casey an elephant. LOL

Softail
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
:eek: CM says the elephant in the room is Casey not testifying. Way to point it out! :lol:

SallyLu
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
I'm fast becoming that elephant in the room. Just hit the fridge - again.

nursebeeme
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
lol...

when CM said try to rise above bias.. it sounded like try to rise above 'baez' LOL

CN2Souls
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
:lol: Did he say ICA was the elephant in the room... :lol:

Kimster
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
This closing argument sounds more like a typical closing arguments I've heard in other cases. It's more "traditional" sounding to me.

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
he thinks the elephant in the room is that ICA did not testify...ha the tapes spoke for her

yes why not remind them 6 more times that the state has the burden of proof

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
Whoa, he just grabbed the mic. Lots of static sound. CM just said they don't have to buy the expert's testimony just because Judge Perry anointed them an expert.

Now the elephant in the room - Casey not testifying. CM is reminding them that she doesn't have to testify, and they cannot hold that against her.

Quester
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
That wasn't the elephant in the room that came to my mind.

mentalsolstice
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
As I said, I sat through this lecture as a law student, however, I did so voluntarily and paid dear $$$ to do so. Not so for this jury.

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
Bias and prejudice?? When oh when will young white girls get a fair shake?

Shyla
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
Funny if a juror threw something and hit him upside his head. You know that has crossed their mind.

rice09
07-03-2011, 05:42 PM
As I sit here 8 and a half months preg with my 3rd son, I cannot fathom being wrongly accused of killing one of them. I would scream to the heavens above that I was innocent, I would take the stand in a heartbeat, and I most certainly would contemplate joining my child in heaven rather than going out for a drink. ICA is a different breed thats for sure.

Curious Me
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
The elephant in the room. Why didn't testify in her own behalf? The Defendant doesn't have to disprove anything. You must not view this as an admission of guilt.

Sleuth5
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Oh, Okay. Well, I don't need to hear from her, myself. I think the evidence worked in my case.

Kentjbkent
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Here's my shameless plug:

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I hope Tricia has the BLEEP button already to go. Hornsby has been in a "giddy" mood today and his tweets are becoming a bit questionable!!! :floorlaugh:

joedotnet
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
:lol: Did he say ICA was the elephant in the room... :lol:

I think he meant slut in the room.

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Here are the full results of the Huffington Post poll.

Be The Thirteenth Juror
Quick Poll
Is Casey Anthony Guilty or Innocent?

She is guilty of murder 50.49%

She is guilty of a lesser charge 31.36%

She is not guilty 18.15%

Kimster
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Don't forget aliens (no offense to Kimster). :floorlaugh:

Everyone wave goodbye to TiaM! :kimsterwink:

:ufo:

Just K
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
The DT is over their 4 hours, now. 5:43 PM.

Phoebeb
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Could that possibly be the purpose? That and to wear everyone down for LDB's part? Everyone is tired. If LDB can get up there and wake up the jurors with something that is cohesive and brings out the simple truth she will deserve a gold medal!

Can they break for dinner, dessert, and coffee first?

Mohabi
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
I've got the sound turned off. I could barely take CM when he was eliciting testimony from his witnesses. I definitely won't force that agony on myself again.

MAL954
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Why is the sound of "dueling banjos" mysteriously playing in my head?

Sheldanmom
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
I cant seem to hear what CM is saying over the Wah Wah Wah sound effects playing in my head. :banghead:

KR2tonenow
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Casey did not testify in this case - sworn jurors to rise above biased and prejudice. Quote Cheney. Guilt by evidence. Do not view this as admission to guilt or be influenced by this in any way.

Granna6
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Think they'll let the jury break for dinner and then bring them back in for LDB's closing?

Horace Finklestein
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
So they're not allowed to utilize common sense? She didn't testify for a reason. I think the jury should be allowed to infer what they will from that.

Etiana
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
I'm fast becoming that elephant in the room. Just hit the fridge - again.
:floorlaugh:

MsFacetious
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
I am completely lost about lighting candles.

I am lighting fireworks...

gngr~snap
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Is ICA falling asleep?http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1448&pictureid=12575

nursebeeme
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
well just threaten the jury already..

RR473
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
I only understand 1 out of 4 words.

I thought I was the only one. :)

artbuc
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Most who read HuffPost think 911 was an inside job.

Carnie
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Apparently, according to the DT, ICA is a slutty elephant.

Azcrabcakes
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
LOL... I was slow reading, and thought I had a time out! THEN, after feeling bad and wondering what I had done, I find we moved here! Ha ha.

Does the gallery see or know when the camera pans over them? It seems they know when they are in the viewfinder to me. Can they see themselves on a monitor? TIA

SallyLu
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
I feel like CM is threatening the jury with his jury instructions. If I was a juror I'd be so darned pizzzzzed I would not be able to see straight.

nerdy
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
this reminds me of getting lectured by my dad for breaking curfew. and i'm getting that same "oh you will NOT tell me what i can think or do!" response.

Amster
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Why am I not surprised? HHJP has turned his courtroom over to CM?? Caylee has been forgotten, hasn't she?

joe jones
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
??

Cheney mason is on the Defense side. Then Baez said he was coming up again. The State won't be back up for about another hour in my estimation. IMO.

my typos, I meant to type the state, they need to get into the evidence and rehab GA,

if any of the jurors entertain the defences idea that GA is the bogey man of this story then the states case is sunk

jmfstl
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
.............I am going out to light the grill..... anything is better than this

I like mine medium well please :rocker:

Eidetic
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
KBelichWFTVKathi Belich, WFTV
Cheney Mason tried to joke withthem about wanting to listen to lawyers for another 12 hours.. Nobody laughed or even smiled

14 minutes ago

JSR
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
okay, I'm wiped. I'm going to go ask my MIL who is 87 to play us some piano. She is wonderful and I'm going to think of Caylee when she plays Have a wonderful 4th everyone!

Enjoy. I often play piano to relax as well. My husband says my playing relaxes him as well.

deelytful1
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
Elephant? What elephant?

You mean "which one????" aargh

Oakley
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
Why are people allow to tweet about the jury? Seems unethical to me.

If lead attorney's can tweet or text in the middle of their questioning witnesses in open court, spectators tweeting about jurors pales in comparison. IMO.

Nova24
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
he thinks the elephant in the room is that ICA did not testify...ha the tapes spoke for her

yes why not remind them 6 more times that the state has the burden of proof

The tapes we were watched her torture her parents and lie and lie and lie. Great idea. I guess we should now all of a sudden believe her? lol

pinkfly
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
he is not keeping my interest and I know this will be more interesting tomorrow when judge Perry tells me the rules

hornswoggled
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
Yawn.........I could flip any number of channels and find tv evangelists on about any one of them............He has no business instructing the jurors on their duties.

sissyjane
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
Elephant? What elephant?

Is it a morally bankrupt elephant? Is it a chemist? Is it an analytical chemist? Or just an elephant?:rocker:

LglNrs
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
~"The elephant in the room" (per CM)........is that we have a zombie child murderer as a client-

Kimster
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
I think he meant slut in the room.

Okay guys. Let's use the word when quoting Baez's statements. Otherwise it could be considered name calling. :nono:

:tyou:

Talina
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
I hope HHJP has something quick brought in for dinner for he jury so it isn't a long break before SA rebuttal closing.

RR0004
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
Is there a reason why CM is talking so slowly?

Etiana
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
murblelllrelr murble, mumble, mumble, lighting candles, murbelerie, mumble

suzihawk
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
Okay... for crying out loud, why is he doing HHJP's job? Really?

And I don't want to hear him trying to be all cutesy about his age and hearing. It's NOT cute. It's disgusting.

mydailyopinions
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
Here are the full results of the Huffington Post poll.

Be The Thirteenth Juror
Quick Poll
Is Casey Anthony Guilty or Innocent?

She is guilty of murder 50.49%

She is guilty of a lesser charge 31.36%

She is not guilty 18.15%

So that is what Dorothy Simms has been doing on her computer all this time!:crazy:

Tuffy
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
lol...

when CM said try to rise above bias.. it sounded like try to rise above 'baez' LOL

We're trying, believe me, we're trying. lol

rose222
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
As much as I dislike KC I would never take into consideration the fact that she did not testify. It wouldn't influence me one way or another and I'm glad the law is the way it is in this regard. It's actually the only smart decision she made or allowed her laywers to make.

Stella5
07-03-2011, 05:44 PM
She made *some* false statements to Yuri Melich??? How about ALL the statements made to Melich were false!

newsjunkie
07-03-2011, 05:45 PM
The DT is over their 4 hours, now. 5:43 PM.

Just for clarification. . .4 hours would have been concluded at 5:42 pm? TIA!

Tulessa
07-03-2011, 05:45 PM
YouTube - &#x202a;The Newest Member of Caylee's Team&#x202c;&rlm;

Dr.Fessel
07-03-2011, 05:45 PM
Whoa Cheney just called Casey an elephant. LOL

Put the whole defense story together and we get a slut elephant in the room.

annmarie62
07-03-2011, 05:45 PM
I am for sure pro-prosecution, but I respectfully disagree that CM is doing a 'boring job.' I think he is giving a masterful statement, with what he has to work with;
now I see why he has such a stellar reputation. Does he change my mind? No. But the man has skills, jmo, moo, etc....

KathrynL
07-03-2011, 05:45 PM
Thank you all for your fabulous comments today. I'm off to watch this in my one air-conditioned room and put up with HLN. It's 95 outside and probably almost as warm in the house. A special thank you to all of you who have made me laugh today.

And, CM has made his point and should wrap it up. Yawn. See all of you later.