View Full Version : Hailey Dunn Update at 7 months, 7/27/11
yllek
07-27-2011, 02:20 PM
Well, according to these 2 new artices, Connie Jones still believes Hailey is dead, regular searches have been halted, CCPD is still working leads as they arise, the child pornography charges are hard to prove....
http://www.kcbd.com/story/15152655/hailey-dunns-grandmother-says-she-could-be-dead
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=394597
Where is sweet Hailey Darlene Dunn?
yllek
07-28-2011, 12:28 AM
The child porn case is still under investigation. No arrests have been made, much to the frustration of the public.
"You have to show a direct link between the user and the operator of the machine. It's kind of a difficult aspect to prove," said City Manager for Colorado City, Pete Kampfer.
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=394597
I thought about Hailey all day today. Based on the actions and interviews of the suspect and POI, I really did not expect this case to be at a standstill after 7 months. Sad and frustrating.
In relation to the child porn, if it doesn't exist (if it turned out to be "barely legal" or something like that), I wish LE would just come out and say it. If instead LE has confirmed that there was some child porn seized, I'd think they could arrest the owner of the device(s) for possession regardless of whether multiple people had access and go from there. Maybe they legally can't, IDK, but this aspect of the investigation seems hinky to me. :waitasec:
Peace to Hailey, wherever she may be (and misery to those who harmed her)...
KathrynL
07-28-2011, 12:31 AM
I think of her a lot, and the possibility that there are a couple people who left CC that may get away with murder. I had hoped she would be found in the spring/summer so LE could make a move. So sad.
katydid23
07-28-2011, 12:49 AM
It was really hard for me to even click on this link because I knew in my gut that it was going to be acknowledgment that nothing is happening. It is heartbreaking.
Notice my sig line. I put that there in the heat of the searching for Hailey. I vowed it would stay my signature until someone found out what happened to Hailey. I am now afraid that it will be my sig line here for eternity.
yllek
07-28-2011, 01:14 AM
It was really hard for me to even click on this link because I knew in my gut that it was going to be acknowledgment that nothing is happening. It is heartbreaking.
Notice my sig line. I put that there in the heat of the searching for Hailey. I vowed it would stay my signature until someone found out what happened to Hailey. I am now afraid that it will be my sig line here for eternity.
I almost didn't open this thread for the same reason Katy; frustrating to post 7 month updates that read just like the 3 month updates. But, like you, I've been following this case and advocating for Hailey for 7 months and I think keeping the public awareness alive = reminding those in charge of the investigation (and those responsible for Hailey's disappearance) that we are still watching and waiting. Hailey will not be forgotten...
P.s. I love your signature line; imo that is the one true statement Hailey's mother has made in this case and reflects her true feelings...
Tugela
07-28-2011, 04:05 AM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=394597
I thought about Hailey all day today. Based on the actions and interviews of the suspect and POI, I really did not expect this case to be at a standstill after 7 months. Sad and frustrating.
In relation to the child porn, if it doesn't exist (if it turned out to be "barely legal" or something like that), I wish LE would just come out and say it. If instead LE has confirmed that there was some child porn seized, I'd think they could arrest the owner of the device(s) for possession regardless of whether multiple people had access and go from there. Maybe they legally can't, IDK, but this aspect of the investigation seems hinky to me. :waitasec:
Peace to Hailey, wherever she may be (and misery to those who harmed her)...
Not to mention that they can't get their facts right. The CP was found on the mothers computer, but not at the Dunn residence according to the affidavits.
Donjeta
07-28-2011, 05:40 AM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=394597
I thought about Hailey all day today. Based on the actions and interviews of the suspect and POI, I really did not expect this case to be at a standstill after 7 months. Sad and frustrating.
In relation to the child porn, if it doesn't exist (if it turned out to be "barely legal" or something like that), I wish LE would just come out and say it. If instead LE has confirmed that there was some child porn seized, I'd think they could arrest the owner of the device(s) for possession regardless of whether multiple people had access and go from there. Maybe they legally can't, IDK, but this aspect of the investigation seems hinky to me. :waitasec:
Peace to Hailey, wherever she may be (and misery to those who harmed her)...
The child porn case is still under investigation. No arrests have been made, much to the frustration of the public.
"You have to show a direct link between the user and the operator of the machine. It's kind of a difficult aspect to prove," said City Manager for Colorado City, Pete Kampfer.
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=394597
IMO, this sounds like they think some child porn really does exist because if they had realized it was barely legal there would be no child porn case to investigate any more and proving who used the computer in which there was no child porn would be a non-issue.
cluciano63
07-28-2011, 08:53 AM
People are charged with having child porn on their computers all the time...why is this case so much more difficult to prove?
yllek
07-28-2011, 09:25 AM
People are charged with having child porn on their computers all the time...why is this case so much more difficult to prove?
ITA. I understood that it might take weeks or months to confirm the porn and file charges, but it's been 4 months now and it just seems longer than usual. Maybe LE is investigating everyone with access and getting a bunch of finger pointing or silence and they don't want to file weak charges?
Hoping that having a new Chief of Police with fresh eyes is a good thing for Hailey...
Linda7NJ
07-28-2011, 11:07 AM
People are charged with having child porn on their computers all the time...why is this case so much more difficult to prove?
exactly! if child porn was found at Billies house on the memory stick and at Shawns mother's house on her computer. The common denominator is Shawn.
sreshowtime
07-28-2011, 04:35 PM
Regarding the presumed porn on the computer from SA's mother's house...SA pretty much said a lot of people had access to the computer. He said that in one of his recorded interviews, its on the transcripts...will see if I can find...
SO it MIGHT be a tangled web....but sure does seem like 'they' are dragging a little on that part...IMHO
hollyblue
07-29-2011, 01:39 PM
Pretty sad. Mother and suspect bf move away and the father is still in jail. Poor Hailey.
TexasTNT
07-29-2011, 02:11 PM
It was really hard for me to even click on this link because I knew in my gut that it was going to be acknowledgment that nothing is happening. It is heartbreaking.
Notice my sig line. I put that there in the heat of the searching for Hailey. I vowed it would stay my signature until someone found out what happened to Hailey. I am now afraid that it will be my sig line here for eternity.
Katydid, your signature line pretty much sums this case up for me. My opinion only of course.
x_files
07-29-2011, 02:14 PM
People are charged with having child porn on their computers all the time...why is this case so much more difficult to prove?
No kidding. Arrest everyone who they think downloaded it and get them to start talking. I am starting to think there's no one enforcing any laws anymore.
No kidding. Arrest everyone who they think downloaded it and get them to start talking. I am starting to think there's no one enforcing any laws anymore.
Or is it our laws are no longer enforceable for fear of trampling someone's rights? Bottom line, seems like the perps have more rights than the victims in many cases http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif
cluciano63
07-29-2011, 11:44 PM
If SA is the most likely person, take a chance and charge him. Maybe a jury would be convinced if the alternatives are his mom or stepfather. I mean, come on already. Did his mom take it on a drive over to Billie's too?
yllek
07-30-2011, 02:30 PM
A new photo taken 1 week before Hailey disappeared has been discovered. She looks considerably older than the well-circulated cheerleader photo, imo, because her hair is styled and she appears to be wearing some make up. The local news station covered the story last night and showed the picture. They also interviewed Patricia T (the would-be grandma, Clint's girlfriend's mom). She says she's mad because they should have been using newer pictures on the flyers and now they've "wasted 7 months".
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=395907
Imo, Hailey looks more mature in the new photo, but she is still quite recognizable as the same person in the cheerleading photo. Also, we've seen pictures of Hailey sitting on the couch with Billie and Shawn a day or two before she went missing, and she is not wearing make-up and looks more like the cheerleading photo. So, I don't know if it makes much difference since we don't know if Hailey was styled or not when she disappeared.
P.s. I think using the cheerleading photo in the missing campaign made the story more marketable and may have helped Hailey get national exposure. Nancy Grace covered the story for almost a month straight with that photo and the intro line: "13 year old cheerleader missing from Colorado City"...
sreshowtime
07-30-2011, 05:14 PM
IMO-that is not a 'new' photo of Hailey- it has been around for months, unless I have gone crazy, I know I have seen it numerous times..
me thinks PT, and the gang, are needing some attention ...again
cluciano63
07-30-2011, 08:18 PM
I've never seen that new photo and would never have known it was Hailey...
kelian36
07-30-2011, 09:15 PM
IMO-that is not a 'new' photo of Hailey- it has been around for months, unless I have gone crazy, I know I have seen it numerous times..
me thinks PT, and the gang, are needing some attention ...again
IF you watch the video, the reporter says this is new picture, a just released picture. IT has not been around for months. A friend of the family states in the news clip that this picture was taken only a few days before she disappeared...and again says it's a newly found picture.
dsntslp
07-30-2011, 09:32 PM
I tried to copy the pic and post it here but it says it is an invalid image file. Maybe some smarter WS'er will have better luck.
Evan's Mom
07-30-2011, 11:46 PM
IF you watch the video, the reporter says this is new picture, a just released picture. IT has not been around for months. A friend of the family states in the news clip that this picture was taken only a few days before she disappeared...and again says it's a newly found picture.
I don't care what the reporter said. It definitely would not be the first time the press got something wrong in this case.
I've seen that picture every single day since May 8th when HDUD started using it as the profile picture for their Facebook page.
It's been around for more than two months at the very least.
Evan's Mom
07-30-2011, 11:49 PM
I tried to copy the pic and post it here but it says it is an invalid image file. Maybe some smarter WS'er will have better luck.
Here you go!
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/2717/haileydunn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/haileydunn.jpg/)
Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
sreshowtime
07-31-2011, 12:16 AM
Yep that's the one- been around quite some time, and yes has been on HDUD as their profile pic
yllek
07-31-2011, 02:40 AM
I hadn't seen the photo before, but I don't go on HDUD. Interesting that the news story last night claimed this was a new photo that was just released. Sounds like these reporters need to investigate a bit more (as does Patricia T).
On the other hand, I am glad that Hailey's name and another photo of her was televised last night! Maybe the bad reporting actually worked in her favor for a change...
hollyblue
07-31-2011, 06:14 AM
A new photo taken 1 week before Hailey disappeared has been discovered. She looks considerably older than the well-circulated cheerleader photo, imo, because her hair is styled and she appears to be wearing some make up. The local news station covered the story last night and showed the picture. They also interviewed Patricia T (the would-be grandma, Clint's girlfriend's mom). She says she's mad because they should have been using newer pictures on the flyers and now they've "wasted 7 months".
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=395907
Imo, Hailey looks more mature in the new photo, but she is still quite recognizable as the same person in the cheerleading photo. Also, we've seen pictures of Hailey sitting on the couch with Billie and Shawn a day or two before she went missing, and she is not wearing make-up and looks more like the cheerleading photo. So, I don't know if it makes much difference since we don't know if Hailey was styled or not when she disappeared.
P.s. I think using the cheerleading photo in the missing campaign made the story more marketable and may have helped Hailey get national exposure. Nancy Grace covered the story for almost a month straight with that photo and the intro line: "13 year old cheerleader missing from Colorado City"...
I agree, but it did get her name out there again...which is a good thing. People need to realize that if she left on her own (with older girl/boy, etc) she may indeed be wearing more make-up to appear older....especially if she was taken to "work the streets"...her appearance would be changed drastically. I stopped in a convenience store late at night a few weeks ago...and my jaw hit the floor at the appearance of a young girl there. Obvious to all, and usually not in this area; big heels, fishnet under shorts with half the rear end exposed. Everyone was looking at each other's reaction...trying not to focus on her. If HD's alive and in a city....she will not look anything like ANY of her pics...nor will she walk like a little tomboy. Even in a smaller town, she'd stick out like a sore thumb.
hollyblue
07-31-2011, 07:46 AM
Just found this article about this 20 yr that was beat to death by her psychologist father! When I first saw her pic, I thought she looked a little like HD, and was surprised she was 20 years old. He has never said why.
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/07/28/father-charged-with-murder-in-daughters-beating/
http://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/megan-roberts.jpg?w=300
yllek
07-31-2011, 03:13 PM
Just found this article about this 20 yr that was beat to death by her psychologist father! When I first saw her pic, I thought she looked a little like HD, and was surprised she was 20 years old. He has never said why.
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/07/28/father-charged-with-murder-in-daughters-beating/
http://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/megan-roberts.jpg?w=300
Weird story hollyblue; what a tragedy. Beaten in her sleep by her own dad; a psychologist no less. Crazy chiite; poor girl. She does have the same fresh-faced style as Hailey in many of Hailey's pictures. In the photo at the link above, the 20 year old victim could easily pass for 15 or 16, imo.
I think your point about having several pictures of Hailey released is a good one. If she is alive, she could be out there looking like her 13 years or she could be wearing more make up and mature clothing and appear much older. I just wish Patricia T would have made that point in the interview. Like "hey, study the face in both photos and be on the lookout for Hailey; she could appear to be anywhere from 13 to 17 years old", for example. Instead, she basically advised viewers to discount the younger-looking images, saying they are a "waste". I don't get that woman though; imo she always wants to cause a drama...
Tugela
07-31-2011, 11:20 PM
If she is out there she will allmost certainly be looking older, not younger. Also, if she is being sheltered by someone it is very likely that she would have altered her appearance, such as changing hair style/color and style of dress.
If people are looking for what she used to look like, I doubt they would find her.
cluciano63
07-31-2011, 11:36 PM
If she is out there she will allmost certainly be looking older, not younger. Also, if she is being sheltered by someone it is very likely that she would have altered her appearance, such as changing hair style/color and style of dress.
If people are looking for what she used to look like, I doubt they would find her.
Sadly, I don't think anyone will find her anyway, unless someone confesses and tells where she is.
sreshowtime
08-01-2011, 04:49 PM
Sadly thinking a lot of Hailey today, with the high likely hood that Celina Cass has been found....poor Hailey I wish you could be found and those responsible found and punished
sreshowtime
08-01-2011, 07:43 PM
found this poking around today-
"The Mitchell County Sheriff's office wants the community to know that they are searching and following leads, but cannot comment for fear of compromising the ongoing investigation."
snipped from
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=396237&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
interesting...hmm maybe there is more going on than I myself have been giving them credit for. ( just borne from frustration)
KeepThemOnTheRadar
08-02-2011, 01:27 AM
IMO-that is not a 'new' photo of Hailey- it has been around for months, unless I have gone crazy, I know I have seen it numerous times..
me thinks PT, and the gang, are needing some attention ...again
You're NOT crazy. Unless I am, too. I've seen the pic, too. When I first saw the hype about a new pic surfacing I let myself get way to ahead of myself, then saw the pic. I literally had both hand in my hair ready to rip it out by the handful, yelling to my husband how this was not new, but darned if I could remember where it popped up and the only reason I can think of I didn't have that picture to use for a flier I made for Hailey was I couldn't get permission to circulate it. As in when I saw the photo I couldn't save it.....otherwise I would have used it not giving a second thought. I have a couple of photos I have permission from the search center to use, I had to edit them, but one of them shows up unedited if you google images of Hailey.
The way I see it, and I stopped when I noticed someone else say they've seen this pic as well so I'm sure I'm repeating the general consensus on this whole 'new' thing, whatever keeps Hailey in the news. <3
Whisperer
08-02-2011, 02:10 AM
What happened to the house in Colorado City? Did she take her son with her or is he living w/Clint? I'll assume he is living with his uncle.
oops! just saw on previous page Clint is in jail. So it appears the two lovebirds reunited in another city. This case is frustrating.
Truthwillsetufree
08-02-2011, 02:30 AM
found this poking around today-
"The Mitchell County Sheriff's office wants the community to know that they are searching and following leads, but cannot comment for fear of compromising the ongoing investigation."
snipped from
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=396237&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
interesting...hmm maybe there is more going on than I myself have been giving them credit for. ( just borne from frustration)
FWIW and JMO but investigating, searching and following leads is NOT what I give CC LE credit for.....jus sayin'.
sreshowtime
08-02-2011, 09:26 AM
Truth...yeah I don't really give them a lot of credit, but geeze, I really hate feeling that way about LE there...I keep praying some of them still wear a white hat....and whatever is hinky in that area gets found out.
KTOTR- yes, it IS keeping Hailey in the news...although it shouldn't take drama to do it:(
Whisperer_ Yes Clint is still in jail, as far as I am aware. And from what I understand, BD...and most likely SA are living near Austin, I think in Buda
Texas
Soulmagent
08-03-2011, 11:07 AM
You're NOT crazy. Unless I am, too. I've seen the pic, too. When I first saw the hype about a new pic surfacing I let myself get way to ahead of myself, then saw the pic. I literally had both hand in my hair ready to rip it out by the handful, yelling to my husband how this was not new, but darned if I could remember where it popped up and the only reason I can think of I didn't have that picture to use for a flier I made for Hailey was I couldn't get permission to circulate it. As in when I saw the photo I couldn't save it.....otherwise I would have used it not giving a second thought. I have a couple of photos I have permission from the search center to use, I had to edit them, but one of them shows up unedited if you google images of Hailey.
The way I see it, and I stopped when I noticed someone else say they've seen this pic as well so I'm sure I'm repeating the general consensus on this whole 'new' thing, whatever keeps Hailey in the news. <3
The thing about the picture that got me in a "wtf' moment was that it is reported to have been taken a week before Hailey went missing but the pictures taken 2 days before Hailey went missing were released , so how do those pictures not show what Hailey looks like and these new pictures do reflect that?
It is a shame that I have to question when the newly released photos were taken and have to guess at what was stated about them is true or not.
I am also glad people have said they have saw the pictures before because that can put an end to me thinking these pictures were taken later then dec 27th.
Can anyone do a side by side with the new photo and the christmas photos?
KeepThemOnTheRadar
08-03-2011, 11:44 AM
Soul magnet, a side by side would be great. I have a pic of Hailey that I used on a flier that I think looks similar to this 'new' one. I wanna do a side by side with that photo and with one of the more common photos. The pic I have where Hailey looks a little older to me her hair is done, it isn't straight. This 'new' pic looks IMHO like maybe she took it herself. Look at her arms. Otherwise I would tend to lean toward that pic supporting the theory that Hailey had suddenly filled out a bit before disappearing. I will see if I can figure out how to do a side by side on my iPad, I don't have a pc or a full Mac.
sreshowtime
08-03-2011, 06:31 PM
Hailey - YOU will be found
KeepThemOnTheRadar
08-04-2011, 10:35 AM
If anyone is in the area, there is a flier event this Saturday (aug. 6) meeting at Stripes convenience store in CCity @ 10am. ALSO, anyone in the Austin area who would like to do the same private message me.
MissJames
08-04-2011, 10:45 AM
JMO,but when family is involved in the disappearance of a child ,they have a big head start and can do a better job of hiding the body. That's one reason why so many aren't found.
ExpectingUnicorns
08-06-2011, 01:15 AM
I don't post much here but check this forum everyday. My heart sinks with each passing visit. I am stymied by the lack of transparency on the part of all arms of LE. Shouldn't their computer analyses be completed at this point? Did they decide they didn't find enough evidence to charge anyone or is the delay because so many people are suspiciously involved?
I cannot fathom a mother leaving the house her missing child last knew as home. It seems heartless to me. Unless that mother felt her child wouldn't be trying to come back to her safe place.
In any case, I'll be back again tomorrow to silently check for any news.
I'm praying for you, Hailey Dunn.
KeepThemOnTheRadar
08-06-2011, 06:33 AM
:( I can't find an app that will let mee side by side 2 photos. I'm sure it could be done easily enough with a proper computer, but great as they are, iPads are pretty limited. I need to make the trip (**SIGH**) to my mother-in-law's home where my device is synced and update the thing anyway so if someone else hasn't done it by then I will work on this.
Btw- I'm SO happy to see so mamy people who have a stake in Hailey's case. I've gotten so discouraged recently feeling like there was a lack of interest in sweet Hailey outside CCity/ TX in general and the main search groups. I wish I could hug every single one of you for continuing to sleuth Hailey's case and refuse to forget her. My husband leaves a light on for her every night. She's very special to us and I can see she has a place in the hearts of many. <3 thank you so much. Thank for "keeping Hailey on the radar" :)
KeepThemOnTheRadar
08-06-2011, 06:51 PM
I got a proper app for side by sides...kind of...they are one atop the other :) the problem is I can't upload the images from this stupid, magical device which will someday end up lodged in a wall. The last time I tried a photo bucket account things went to hell in a hand basket but I suppose I could try it again. I'll be working on that for the next infity :)
KeepThemOnTheRadar
08-06-2011, 08:17 PM
http://s1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/Boxcar_Cadaver/hailey%20pics/
This is a link to the side by side images I stuck together. There are a few other Hailey related imagaes in the album so just scroll down.m19 pics in all so you won't have to wade through a ton of junk. I hope this link works. Let me know if it doesn't. (hehe, all I had to do to get the pics from one atop the other to side by side was select a different layout....D'OH!)
yllek
08-06-2011, 08:56 PM
http://s1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/Boxcar_Cadaver/hailey%20pics/
This is a link to the side by side images I stuck together. There are a few other Hailey related imagaes in the album so just scroll down.m19 pics in all so you won't have to wade through a ton of junk. I hope this link works. Let me know if it doesn't. (hehe, all I had to do to get the pics from one atop the other to side by side was select a different layout....D'OH!)
Thank you for posting this KeepThemOnTheRadar! It is interesting to see the "new"pic next to the cheerleader pic (slide 17 side by side in your slide show).
Where is sweet Hailey Darlene Dunn!?~
Soulmagent
08-08-2011, 01:31 AM
This is the picture that was taken at christmas ,the 2 photos do look like they were taken awhile apart. Thank you for doing the side by side.
Just thinking over the new photo and when it could have ben taken as I have never seen images of Hailey where she looks just like that and we know the christmas photo was taken at christmas right? Anyone know when they said days before she went missing ,what day they mean because now there are two different pictures (unless one was edited) of Hailey taken days before she went missing.Mainly her hair being pulled like that ,she seems to part it on the side.
http://s1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/Boxcar_Cadaver/hailey%20pics/?action=view¤t=37a3fc95.jpg
KeepThemOnTheRadar
08-08-2011, 06:05 AM
Grrr! Of all the side by sides I did the one I REALLY wanted everyone to see isn't there! I will have to redo it and replace it at p-bucket. The photo I wanted y'all to see next to this 'new' one, Hailey has her hair done. If you feel like it, scroll through the album and look at the value flier. The pic I'm talking about is inn the blue flier to the left. In the newly released photo Hailey looks like she not only just got her hair done, but look at her eye browns. They look freshly waxed. Maybe she was prepping for an event and it could be traced? I thought I saw that the new pic was taken a week before she went missing, but I don't have the link to back it up.
That new photo looks like she took it herself. That's the story I believe. Simply because I've taken plenty of cellphone and simple camera pics of myself just to make sure I didn't overdo my makeup and look like a drag queen. I'm too sleepy to redo the pic now, but after I get some sleep I will add it and link directly to it. Sorry y'all had to wade through the other pics, but at least they are all Hailey related! Heh....hope anyone who viewed noticed my husband sitting in a child seat in the backseat if a truck. Child seat. How fitting. :) BTW- the app I used is great and offers many layouts. It is for iPad and called Diptic. I think it was free, if not it wasn't more than .99.
But the newer photo and the other Prettied Up pic look a lot a like. The other photo w her hair did was taken at school by a friend. Maybe she had gotten her hair cut the night before? But Hailey's face looks a little thinner.
Silkprint
08-09-2011, 05:14 PM
This is yet another case where the main people involved don't talk , fail LDT's and walk away with most likely murder !
You cannot make someone be a good mother but I want to shake BD til she turns blue !
KeepThemOnTheRadar
08-10-2011, 04:32 AM
http://s1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/Boxcar_Cadaver/hailey%20pics/
I added a couple of Hailey pics to my photo bucket. I got a more clear image of the close up and another pic that appears to have been taken the same day in the same outfit.
Missy70Texas
08-28-2011, 12:33 PM
I haven't ever posted here but keep up with the Hailey Dunn case because it happened in a nearby area where I live. This was in the "Odessa American" today very in depth article which includes a timeline. Thought I would share....
http://www.oaoa.com/news/dunn-71082-trace-mother.html
Soulmagent
08-28-2011, 01:32 PM
From link posted above
The case
Hailey was first listed as a runaway because at first, Colorado City officials were taking a wait-and-see approach. But on Jan. 3, Colorado City Police and the Mitchell County Sheriff’s Office called in the FBI and Texas Rangers and formed a task force. The 60-member team worked relentlessly to come up with clues about Hailey’s disappearance.
I really fear another child coming up missing ,close the this area. What made LE believe Hailey was a run away?
scorekeeper
08-28-2011, 01:54 PM
I haven't ever posted here but keep up with the Hailey Dunn case because it happened in a nearby area where I live. This was in the "Odessa American" today very in depth article which includes a timeline. Thought I would share....
http://www.oaoa.com/news/dunn-71082-trace-mother.html
From link posted above
I really fear another child coming up missing ,close the this area. What made LE believe Hailey was a run away?
Missy,
Thanks so much for posting this. It's good to know that Hailey's story is still "out there"......
Soul,
I think the stories from BJD, SA and possibly Hailey's friends...........
We love you, Hailey.......
Missy70Texas
08-28-2011, 04:11 PM
From link posted above
I really fear another child coming up missing ,close the this area. What made LE believe Hailey was a run away?
You know when I first read this article that same sentence caught my eye, very scary. I wasn't aware that it took them 3 days to be concerned about a child being missing.
elepher50
08-28-2011, 05:32 PM
Billie Jean and friends speak out at impromptu press conference
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/hailey-dunn-billie-jean-and-friends-speak-out-at-impromptu-press-conference
Video included in article.
Billie Jean Dunn and Shawn Adkins stand next to a pastor as he leads a prayer vigil for missing Hailey Dunn, who turned 14 on August 27. Hailey was last seen on December 27, 2010.
"The only place they are looking at is in my back yard, and if they can't find my child they need to get off their asses and find my baby," said Billie.
sorrell skye
08-28-2011, 07:05 PM
Gutierrez, who has known Dunn for years, said people should put aside their personal feelings in this case and focus on the missing child.
"It doesn't matter what you think about Billie or Shawn," Gutierrez said. "Everyone should stay interested for Hailey."
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/aug/27/hailey-dunn-not-giving-up-hope-balloon-release/
I beg to differ. LE (with good reason) named SA the only suspect in HD's disappearance. IMO, pretending that SA is irrelevant is not going to help find Hailey, nor will it help to discover who is responsible for her sudden disappearance. IMO, pretending that BD has not continued to defend the only named suspect is not going to help solve Hailey's disappearance.
Ignore and/or forget everything that has come to light since December 27, 2010???? Nope, not gonna do it. I hope that LE will not ignore and/or forget, either.
IMO, it matters what LE thinks about BD & SA, despite the smoke & mirrors game of 'look over here' or 'look over there' that's being played.
Dr. Know?
08-28-2011, 07:21 PM
This article is news to me. I searched and didn't see it posted.
Human Bones Found Near Colorado City?
COLORADO CITY, TEXAS — A live press conference after the Aug. 27 Hailey Dunn prayer vigil confirmed that bones — including a human tooth — were found by searchers in an unidentified area outside** of Mitchell County six months ago, but law enforcement officials with the Colorado City PD, Mitchell County Sheriff’s Office and Texas Rangers have not followed up on the find. After a follow-up search by the official search team in Colorado City, the tooth was gone but the remaining bones were still present
http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/2011/08/28/youtube-human-bones-found-in-field-near-colorado-city/
sorrell skye
08-28-2011, 07:57 PM
Has it been confirmed that the bones are human bones?
Tugela
08-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Gutierrez, who has known Dunn for years, said people should put aside their personal feelings in this case and focus on the missing child.
"It doesn't matter what you think about Billie or Shawn," Gutierrez said. "Everyone should stay interested for Hailey."
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/aug/27/hailey-dunn-not-giving-up-hope-balloon-release/
I beg to differ. LE (with good reason) named SA the only suspect in HD's disappearance. IMO, pretending that SA is irrelevant is not going to help find Hailey, nor will it help to discover who is responsible for her sudden disappearance. IMO, pretending that BD has not continued to defend the only named suspect is not going to help solve Hailey's disappearance.
Ignore and/or forget everything that has come to light since December 27, 2010???? Nope, not gonna do it. I hope that LE will not ignore and/or forget, either.
IMO, it matters what LE thinks about BD & SA, despite the smoke & mirrors game of 'look over here' or 'look over there' that's being played.
The only reason SA is a POI is that he quit his job that day. LE have been fixated on him and have very likely not investigated other possibilities adequately as a result. In spite of over half a year they have not got any further in following up on SA, and there is a good chance that he is not involved. But they will never say that. It is like Jaycee Dugards stepdad, they discounted him as a suspect in the first 90 days. but they never told him or anyone else that, and he had to live under a cloud of suspicion for the next 18 years.
After all this time it means that that if someone else was involved, the lack of investigation of other possibilities has allmost certainly meant that they have gotten away with homicide/abduction.
AmandaReckonwith
08-28-2011, 09:46 PM
I truly doubt that searchers would make up stories either. Did LE follow up or didn't they?
Another key statement was about sex offenders. Billie claims LE has not stepped foot inside any SO home.
Even if you throw out half the statements made, there are serious questions that remain.
Who is even in charge of this investigation? A city manager? Texas Rangers? CCPD? MCSO? Who??
They lost my confidence when they claimed a thousand kid-porn & animal porn pics were found and did not throw the whole household in jail to sort out who downloaded that crap.
No charges??? Nope. No charges. So, was there kid porn? Or was that a BS story?
I wouldn't be buying it if only Billie stood there, but Carrie McGonigle was doing the most talking. Is she mistaken.... taken in by false stories?
Someone in CCity needs to damn well take charge and set people's minds at ease that they want to find Hailey Dunn.
AmandaReckonwith
08-28-2011, 09:51 PM
BTW, here's the case archive album. Everything from Day 1, pretty much.
And there are 2 sub-albums, 1 for search-related; 1 for tributes.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Hailey%20Dunn%20%20-TX-/
Truthwillsetufree
08-28-2011, 09:56 PM
I truly doubt that searchers would make up stories either. Did LE follow up or didn't they?
Another key statement was about sex offenders. Billie claims LE has not stepped foot inside any SO home.
Even if you throw out half the statements made, there are serious questions that remain.
Who is even in charge of this investigation? A city manager? Texas Rangers? CCPD? MCSO? Who??
They lost my confidence when they claimed a thousand kid-porn & animal porn pics were found and did not throw the whole household in jail to sort out who downloaded that crap.
No charges??? Nope. No charges. So, was there kid porn? Or was that a BS story?
I wouldn't be buying it if only Billie stood there, but Carrie McGonigle was doing the most talking. Is she mistaken.... taken in by false stories?
Someone in CCity needs to damn well take charge and set people's minds at ease that they want to find Hailey Dunn.
BBM - Agree wholeheartedly. LE in Colorado City failed Hailey Dunn. I am ashamed for them.
I truly doubt that searchers would make up stories either. Did LE follow up or didn't they?
Another key statement was about sex offenders. Billie claims LE has not stepped foot inside any SO home.
Even if you throw out half the statements made, there are serious questions that remain.
Who is even in charge of this investigation? A city manager? Texas Rangers? CCPD? MCSO? Who??
They lost my confidence when they claimed a thousand kid-porn & animal porn pics were found and did not throw the whole household in jail to sort out who downloaded that crap.
No charges??? Nope. No charges. So, was there kid porn? Or was that a BS story?
I wouldn't be buying it if only Billie stood there, but Carrie McGonigle was doing the most talking. Is she mistaken.... taken in by false stories?
Someone in CCity needs to damn well take charge and set people's minds at ease that they want to find Hailey Dunn.
BBM-I have these same feelings.
http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/2011/08/28/colorado-city-area-authorities-no-child-pornography-found-in-billie-dunns-house/
FWIW ... Not sure about this guy's credibility.
Tugela
08-28-2011, 10:11 PM
The county sheriff is running the investigation. There doesn't seem to be too much doubt about that.
The Texas Rangers and CC Police Dept probably aren't in the loop as to the status.
As for the CP, there were thousands of images of porn, but they never said how much CP there was. From the Affidavits however, the porn was in actuall files whereas the CP was in deleted space. It doesnt sound like there was all that much and it was probably just stuff that got accidently downloaded (not hard to do if porn is downloaded from public spaces).
sorrell skye
08-28-2011, 11:09 PM
The only reason SA is a POI is that he quit his job that day. LE have been fixated on him and have very likely not investigated other possibilities adequately as a result. In spite of over half a year they have not got any further in following up on SA, and there is a good chance that he is not involved. But they will never say that. It is like Jaycee Dugards stepdad, they discounted him as a suspect in the first 90 days. but they never told him or anyone else that, and he had to live under a cloud of suspicion for the next 18 years.
After all this time it means that that if someone else was involved, the lack of investigation of other possibilities has allmost certainly meant that they have gotten away with homicide/abduction.
bbm
I think LE has focused on SA for several other reasons besides the fact that he walked out on his job that day (IIRC, SA's employer never said that he quit his job - his employer said he simply left that morning. SA is the one who gave conflicting stories about whether or not he quit).
I think one of the reasons LE has focused on SA as a suspect is because he threatened to kill BD, CD, and possibly also HD on Valentine's Day the year before.
SA was the last known person to have seen HD before she disappeared, and also claimed that she told him she was going to her Dad's and then to a friend's house for a sleepover. Her Dad says she didn't come over that afternoon. Her friend, MB, as well as MB's mother, said that no sleepover had been planned. They also said they had not heard from HD that day.
SA lied about his whereabouts on the day that HD went missing - claiming that he went directly from work that morning to his mother's house, when in fact his cell phone pings placed him in the vicinity of C-City and BD's house shortly after BD left for work.
By his own admission, SA said he threatened to kill BD. The affidavit states that he also admitted to threatening to kill HD. By his own admission, when LE asked him "Who should we be looking at?" after HD went missing, SA said they should look @ both him and BD.
HD's grandmother has stated that HD was afraid of SA. She also stated that HD told her that SA lurked @ her bedroom door.
SA has an attorney to defend him - he can speak on his client's behalf if he feels inclined. I don't feel particularly inclined to defend SA, based on what has been reported, and based on what I know about men who target single mothers with children, so that they can gain access to their children.
There is a confirmed history of domestic violence & drug use in the Dunn household. I refuse to pretend it doesn't play a role in Hailey's disappearance.
Soulmagent
08-29-2011, 01:12 AM
Gutierrez, who has known Dunn for years, said people should put aside their personal feelings in this case and focus on the missing child.
"It doesn't matter what you think about Billie or Shawn," Gutierrez said. "Everyone should stay interested for Hailey."
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/aug/27/hailey-dunn-not-giving-up-hope-balloon-release/
I beg to differ. LE (with good reason) named SA the only suspect in HD's disappearance. IMO, pretending that SA is irrelevant is not going to help find Hailey, nor will it help to discover who is responsible for her sudden disappearance. IMO, pretending that BD has not continued to defend the only named suspect is not going to help solve Hailey's disappearance.
Ignore and/or forget everything that has come to light since December 27, 2010???? Nope, not gonna do it. I hope that LE will not ignore and/or forget, either.
IMO, it matters what LE thinks about BD & SA, despite the smoke & mirrors game of 'look over here' or 'look over there' that's being played.
LE IMO has played the smoke and mirror game as well and pretending they have facts to the public when they dont- wont bring Hailey home either.
I cant ignore everything LE has said and done since dec 27th and I cant forget LE's inconsistant stories or how about completely changing the story.I also cannot get how unprofessional they have acted in the past in this case and cant help but think they were acting that way while knowing about the media coverage and I have to wonder how unprofessional they would act if they were not being paid attention to? That thought kinda scares me.
I think LE thought Hailey was a run away because people had seen her walking arround after she was last seen and after the person she was last supposed to be visiting was spoke to. JMO.
sreshowtime
08-29-2011, 01:28 AM
I can't even put in words what I am thinking now after this latest 'press conference' ....which was totally unprepared, undignified, unbecoming....
IF they WANT someone to TAKE them seriously, then CALL for press conference, sit down and have your notes and what to say planned out- they might as well have been posting on FB
AGH never mind- I could rip my hair out right about now
I am have 'sleuthed' my a$$ off since Jan. I have stared at maps still my eyes were raw, I have googled and done genealogy and dug and thought and theorized...and I will have to say this latest perturbs me to no end
Poor Hailey- all this drama- I am just sick of it
Tugela
08-29-2011, 05:25 AM
bbm
I think LE has focused on SA for several other reasons besides the fact that he walked out on his job that day (IIRC, SA's employer never said that he quit his job - his employer said he simply left that morning. SA is the one who gave conflicting stories about whether or not he quit).
You don't know what SA said, you only know what BD said.
I think one of the reasons LE has focused on SA as a suspect is because he threatened to kill BD, CD, and possibly also HD on Valentine's Day the year before.
Why would idle threats in a domestic dispute a year before have anything to do with the current situation? There was no indication of any actual violence, nor any indication that it was a common occurrence.
SA was the last known person to have seen HD before she disappeared, and also claimed that she told him she was going to her Dad's and then to a friend's house for a sleepover. Her Dad says she didn't come over that afternoon. Her friend, MB, as well as MB's mother, said that no sleepover had been planned. They also said they had not heard from HD that day.
There were other people who claimed to have seen HD that day, including after when SA said he last saw her. In addition, we don't know what SA actually said, only what BD said, and she has a history of paraphrasing everything.
SA lied about his whereabouts on the day that HD went missing - claiming that he went directly from work that morning to his mother's house, when in fact his cell phone pings placed him in the vicinity of C-City and BD's house shortly after BD left for work.
He didnt tell BD at the time (again, according to her). He didn't say he went directly to his mothers house, he said he went to his mothers house. Note the difference. People assumed he went directly there, but instead he went first to the grandmothers house (which you would expect) and then to the mothers house when no one was home at the GM.
By his own admission, SA said he threatened to kill BD. The affidavit states that he also admitted to threatening to kill HD. By his own admission, when LE asked him "Who should we be looking at?" after HD went missing, SA said they should look @ both him and BD.
Again, idle threats in a domestic dispute. The reports of the incident itself doesnt mention any threats against HD, that was added only after HD dissappeared and allmost certainly was due to misunderstanding by SA and/or the investigators during questioning. By saying that they should look at himself and BD he wasn't saying that they were they persons responsible, he was saying that he expected LE to be looking at family first.
HD's grandmother has stated that HD was afraid of SA. She also stated that HD told her that SA lurked @ her bedroom door.
This according to the GM, who didn't like SA anyway. Strangely enough, she didnt tell anyone else (such as CD or BD) about it at the time it supposedly happened, so that puts her credibility in doubt. She could say anything and if HD isnt around to dispute it, who is to say otherwise.
SA has an attorney to defend him - he can speak on his client's behalf if he feels inclined. I don't feel particularly inclined to defend SA, based on what has been reported, and based on what I know about men who target single mothers with children, so that they can gain access to their children.
There is a confirmed history of domestic violence & drug use in the Dunn household. I refuse to pretend it doesn't play a role in Hailey's disappearance.
What confirmed history violence and drug use? The only person arrested for drug use is CD and he didn't live in the house anymore (allbeit across the road instead). There were no arrests for violence.
We have allready gone over all that stuff. Most of that appeared to be misrepresented or comes from questionable sources. A lot of what you SA supposedly said was actually from BD, not SA.
TxLady2
08-29-2011, 09:35 AM
I've seen cases go unsolved because of bumbling by LE... poor investigative techniques, developing tunnel vision and focusing in one direction instead of keeping an open mind and looking at other possibilities. Yes, I agree Shawn and Billie need to be looked at but they should not be the ONLY ones. LE is obligated to pursue ALL leads in a case and work to solve it, EVEN IF they do not like the people who are involved.
Why were those bones and the tooth not tested? Why was this possible evidence ignored? If they are going to encourage people to search, and then disregard anything searchers find and turn in, does that sound like they are interested in solving the case or finding Hailey? Not to me.
As for the PC, doesn't seem to me like they needed to "call" a press conference complete with prepared notes. Who would not prefer statements that come from the heart and spoken sincerely rather than something they prepared ahead of time? That seems rather staged and I often have a bit of a problem with staged interviews, even from officials.
I've felt for a long time that LE has dropped the ball on this one, and that it will be a long time before Hailey is ever found, if ever.
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