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jrb0124
08-02-2011, 12:59 PM
[LINK TO THREAD IN LOCATED (FOUND DECEASED) FORUM]

Jury selection in progress. [LINK (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Beebe-jury-selection-may-take-time)]


More than 120 people were brought in for the jury pool in the high profile murder case of Junior Beebe Jr., accused of killing two women and burying them near a trailer in January....Henslee was a 30-year-old mother of two, and Howarth, 36, was Beebe's girlfriend.



Follow the courtroom action now via Leon Hendrix on Twitter. [LINK (http://twitter.com/#!/search/leonhendrix)]

Live trial coverage on woodtv.com (once the testimony begins.) [LINK (http://www.woodtv.com)]

Rhyme & Reason
08-02-2011, 02:53 PM
Beebe won't testify at trial

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Beebe-jury-selection-may-take-time

Rhyme & Reason
08-02-2011, 03:32 PM
18078

joe jones
08-02-2011, 06:16 PM
I have never heard about this case, his defence appears to be a bit of a stretch but who knows what a jury will believe,

Rhyme & Reason
08-02-2011, 09:16 PM
I have never heard about this case, his defence appears to be a bit of a stretch but who knows what a jury will believe,

This case is different, that's for sure. I'm really curious how it's going to play out. I'm in the extremely small minority that feels it very well may have happened how Junior says it happened. I'm not bashing Amy AT ALL, by all accounts she was a wonderful wife and mother. However...we are all human. Women have affairs, men have affairs. Stranger things have happened. Or I'm completely wrong & Junior is a cold blooded murderer.

crocus
08-02-2011, 09:45 PM
This case is different, that's for sure. I'm really curious how it's going to play out. I'm in the extremely small minority that feels it very well may have happened how Junior says it happened. I'm not bashing Amy AT ALL, by all accounts she was a wonderful wife and mother. However...we are all human. Women have affairs, men have affairs. Stranger things have happened. Or I'm completely wrong & Junior is a cold blooded murderer.

I agree with you Rhyme. (Nice to 'see' you again!)

I don't know these people from Adam, so I have no reason to be on one side or the other.

Just seems like there is some truth to what Beebe claims happened. Should be interesting to see how the trial plays out.

crocus
08-02-2011, 10:28 PM
Just looking for truth.

Period.

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 06:49 AM
This case is different, that's for sure. I'm really curious how it's going to play out. I'm in the extremely small minority that feels it very well may have happened how Junior says it happened. I'm not bashing Amy AT ALL, by all accounts she was a wonderful wife and mother. However...we are all human. Women have affairs, men have affairs. Stranger things have happened. Or I'm completely wrong & Junior is a cold blooded murderer.

Here's a great story with insightful local comments on the case from back in January: http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/01/amy_henslees_husband_says_juni/4132/comments.html

While I personally do not believe Beebe's story, if true - it does put the sequence of events into perspective. However - the prosecutors must have something(s) which clearly contradict his version.

I am also curious about how this will play out, and somewhat disappointed we will not hear directly from Beebe. Who else can substantiate the claim of an affair if that was the case?

A few things I do look forward to: testimony as to lack of or presence of gunpowder residue on TH's hands (would have to be present if TH is the one who shot AH), testimony from TH's mother (did she drop TH off at JB property or was TH already there with JB and AH?)

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 06:59 AM
Also from months ago, but a good refresher on the half dozen theories floating around out there. [LINK (http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2011/03/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-why-i.html)]

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 07:05 AM
They could wrap up jury selection in the Junior Lee Beebe Jr. double murder trial by lunch (today), and the trial could begin this afternoon

[LINK (http://www.wsjm.com/Beebe-Trial-Could-Begin-This-Afternoon/10517845)]

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 08:24 AM
Here is the [Twitter Link (http://twitter.com/leonhendrix)], the one in the original post will not work today.

Getting ready to head back down for day 2 of Beebe's trial. WOODTV staff working overtime to try and bring you live video online.

joe jones
08-03-2011, 10:09 AM
Also from months ago, but a good refresher on the half dozen theories floating around out there. [LINK (http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2011/03/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-why-i.html)]


some interesting theories, I find the profilers opinion to be based on little beyond speculation,

this trial will be very interesting, the state will have to work hard to disprove Beebe's explanation of the murders, I hope they have solid evidence to disprove his theory as I have a hard time believing his story,

his story may become more or less plausible as the trial goes on, so it will be a case of wait and see

joe jones
08-03-2011, 10:35 AM
jury has been seated, 9 men and 5 women

joe jones
08-03-2011, 10:41 AM
no hanging around openings start soon

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 10:41 AM
Whoa....

In a motion filed outside of jurors' presence Wednesday afternoon, Van Buren County Prosecutor Juris Kaps requested evidence of Henslee's extra-marital affairs be barred from trial.

Hunt agreed and the judge granted the motion as long as witnesses and prosecutors don't try to refute the defense's claim that Henslee was having an affair with Beebe.

[LINK (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/junior-beebe-trial-august-3-2011)]


http://media.mlive.com/kzgazette_impact/photo/9229308-small.jpg + http://media.trb.com/media/thumbnails/story/2011-02/88613720-09031747.jpg + http://media2.woodtv.com//photo/2011/01/28/henslee-crime-scene-012811_20110128172623_320_240.JPG

seriously???!!!

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 11:01 AM
opening statements have started, live trial feed is here:

http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video

Rhyme & Reason
08-03-2011, 12:46 PM
Whoa....

In a motion filed outside of jurors' presence Wednesday afternoon, Van Buren County Prosecutor Juris Kaps requested evidence of Henslee's extra-marital affairs be barred from trial.

Hunt agreed and the judge granted the motion as long as witnesses and prosecutors don't try to refute the defense's claim that Henslee was having an affair with Beebe.

[LINK (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/junior-beebe-trial-august-3-2011)]


http://media.mlive.com/kzgazette_impact/photo/9229308-small.jpg + http://media.trb.com/media/thumbnails/story/2011-02/88613720-09031747.jpg + http://media2.woodtv.com//photo/2011/01/28/henslee-crime-scene-012811_20110128172623_320_240.JPG

seriously???!!!

Whoa is right! Thank you for all the great links!

Rhyme & Reason
08-03-2011, 12:49 PM
Whoa....

In a motion filed outside of jurors' presence Wednesday afternoon, Van Buren County Prosecutor Juris Kaps requested evidence of Henslee's extra-marital affairs be barred from trial.

Hunt agreed and the judge granted the motion as long as witnesses and prosecutors don't try to refute the defense's claim that Henslee was having an affair with Beebe.

[LINK (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/junior-beebe-trial-august-3-2011)]


http://media.mlive.com/kzgazette_impact/photo/9229308-small.jpg + http://media.trb.com/media/thumbnails/story/2011-02/88613720-09031747.jpg + http://media2.woodtv.com//photo/2011/01/28/henslee-crime-scene-012811_20110128172623_320_240.JPG

seriously???!!!

Some women are really attracted to the "bad boy" type. Not saying Amy was, my opinion only.

tfrohning
08-03-2011, 01:26 PM
wow thanks for link. This case went to trail fast.

SurfieTX
08-03-2011, 01:28 PM
A few interesting tweets:

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Prosecutor: Howarth may have been running away when she was shot.
1 hour ago

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Prosecutor: Bullet wound in Henslee's leg tracked upward...

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Prosecutor: Medical examiner found "multiple bruises" on Henslee's body that he believes happened right before she died.

tfrohning
08-03-2011, 01:34 PM
did that lawyer called Amy "Tonya" might be here by my self. oh well
;(

tfrohning
08-03-2011, 01:34 PM
sorry I just don't think Amy was having affair with JR.

Rhyme & Reason
08-03-2011, 01:42 PM
wow thanks for link. This case went to trail fast.

They got the jury seated this morning & prosecution has already finished their opening statements!

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 01:56 PM
defense opening statement summarized: JB's story is the only story that logically fits the evidence and circumstances. Pros has not offered a motive or evidence for JB to shoot his "secret lover" (AH), pros has no evidence to prove 1st or 2nd degree on TH.

first witness up (for the state) : James Henslee (AH husband)

Rhyme & Reason
08-03-2011, 01:57 PM
Amy's husband James up now

http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 02:01 PM
JH chewing gum continuously...even while talking sometimes, kind of annoying and distracting IMO.

Rhyme & Reason
08-03-2011, 02:07 PM
JH chewing gum continuously...even while talking sometimes, kind of annoying and distracting IMO.

I know. What's up with that?

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 02:24 PM
defense keeps harping on the 10:00 and 2:30 daily calls between JH and AH - wonder where they're going with that aside from possibly coloring JH as controlling.

pomegranate
08-03-2011, 02:27 PM
defense keeps harping on the 10:00 and 2:30 daily calls between JH and AH - wonder where they're going with that aside from possibly coloring JH as controlling.

Maybe hinting that JH was suspicious of AH's activities, that he had reason to be suspicious? Chip away at AH's character?

jrb0124
08-03-2011, 02:38 PM
Maybe hinting that JH was suspicious of AH's activities, that he had reason to be suspicious? Chip away at AH's character?

Yes, pretty sure that's part of it - you're right. I really wonder though how the defense is planning on spinning this to the advantage of JB. Would suggest JB to be less impulsive and sloppy, and more deliberate and calculating IMO - at least in regard to an affair.

Palomine
08-03-2011, 03:26 PM
nice courtroom, love all the wood

Palomine
08-03-2011, 03:49 PM
I am sure my parent's would never lie for me, or ever say the words I don't recall

Palomine
08-03-2011, 04:02 PM
court over for day unless there are arguments

joe jones
08-03-2011, 04:52 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/03/nancy-novack-no-death-penalty_n_917583.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

good overview of some of the testimony

OldSteve
08-03-2011, 05:18 PM
Missed the video - anyone have links to where it can be seen?

Rhyme & Reason
08-03-2011, 06:12 PM
Missed the video - anyone have links to where it can be seen?

Which video OldSteve? Video of the trial?

ETA: This link for live feed when court is in session http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video

So far not finding any video recap of today. If I find it I'll post.

joe jones
08-03-2011, 06:42 PM
tomorrow the ME will testify, and they have a demonstartion of the trailer to show the jury that his story just does not add up,

ohiogirl
08-04-2011, 09:16 AM
http://amyhensleemurder.blogspot.com/

ohiogirl
08-04-2011, 09:17 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/03/nancy-novack-no-death-penalty_n_917583.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

good overview of some of the testimony

I am not finding anything at this link. Thanks anyway.

joe jones
08-04-2011, 09:32 AM
I am not finding anything at this link. Thanks anyway.


sometimes they move the articles, why I have no idea, it is annoying though

joe jones
08-04-2011, 09:37 AM
court back in session, they have a mock up of the trailer in court, it appears to be quite small

joe jones
08-04-2011, 09:38 AM
http://yfrog.com/kjoirgj
picture from courtroom with trialer mock up in it

ohiogirl
08-04-2011, 09:43 AM
The live stream does not work for me. Does anyone know what time Howarth was supposed to be dropped off at the trailer?

Carolina Girl
08-04-2011, 10:02 AM
Good morning. I am here today, was not feeling well yesterday. Thanks for the info about the motion filed. I still think they were having an affair. I hope it works out that way.

OldSteve
08-04-2011, 10:33 AM
Something seems to be going on:
http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video

There is a sidebar on the right side of the page with Leon Hendrix giving notes about what has taken place... note this:

" Henslee's injuries are consistent with her being assaulted with a blunt object before death. "

Palomine
08-04-2011, 11:39 AM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Medical examiner: Beebe's claim that he and Tonya were struggling over the gun is "highly unlikely".

Palomine
08-04-2011, 11:57 AM
he maybe the it tech can get better sound for the courtroom..sounds like an interesting question..wants to look at equipment at end of the day

Rhyme & Reason
08-04-2011, 12:13 PM
Amy had Xanax & Marijuana

Tonya had Meth

http://twitter.com/#!/lisalaplanteFOX/status/99146176317763584

Palomine
08-04-2011, 01:23 PM
http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video

back live

Palomine
08-04-2011, 01:25 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Bangor City Treasurer on the stand... Testifying about seeing Howarth the day she was killed.

Palomine
08-04-2011, 01:26 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Howarth went in to pay a dog ordinance fine.

Palomine
08-04-2011, 01:34 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Philip Beebe, owner of property where bodies were found, now taking the stand. #BeebeTrial #FOX 17

Palomine
08-04-2011, 01:56 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
A friend of Junior's is on the stand...

Palomine
08-04-2011, 01:58 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Phillip Beebe is done - said he saw Jr. on January 24, around noon; he was acting normal. Friend known as "Punkin" on the stand now

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:03 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
'Punkin' went with Jr & his mom at the Philip Beebe property Thursday, 1/27/11 and saw police there.Saw Jr get arrested

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:04 PM
20 minute break to set up for video presentation

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:38 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Diane Oppenheim of the Michigan State Police on the stand - she may testify about the confession in the #BeebeTrial #FOX17

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:38 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
We are preparing to hear the taped confession of Junior Beebe. Detective on the stand.

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:44 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
January 27, Sgt. Oppenheim saw red residue at camper, saw Beebe walking through woods, had him held for questioning #BeebeTrial #FOX17

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Detective who interviewed Beebe said Beebe claimed to be Henslee's drug supplier.

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:47 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Det. Oppenheim told her that he went to Amy's on 1/24, brought her to the camper to watch video of him fighting and smoked weed #BeebeTrial

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:51 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt says Beebe claims he and Amy started to 'make out' when Tonya burst in - says Tonya grabbed gun, shot Amy & she went down #BeebeTrial

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:55 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt Oppenheim says statements by Beebe, Jr. were videotaped - we are about to view that in the #BeebeTrial - #FOX17

Palomine
08-04-2011, 02:59 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Defense attorney said Beebe was "sobbing" for several minutes while waiting to be interviewed by detectives.
31 seconds ago
Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
When confronted about blood, detective says Beebe told her, "I know what happened to Amy."

Palomine
08-04-2011, 03:06 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: Says he knew Amy was dead.
1 minute ago
Leon Hendrix

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: Amy and Tonya got up and started feuding after Tonya walked into trailer.
2 minutes ago
Leon Hendrix

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: I still can't believe it happened.
5 minutes ago
Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Taped confession now playing in court.

Palomine
08-04-2011, 03:11 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: says he thought he was going to be shot. "I was next in line."

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: says he told Tonya to sit down but she shot Amy anyway.

Rhyme & Reason
08-04-2011, 03:14 PM
Thank you for all the updates Palomine.

Palomine
08-04-2011, 03:17 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "Covering it up was the major mistake."
2 minutes ago

Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "Nobody knew" about killings.
3 minutes ago
Leon Hendrix

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: Admits he "tried to clean it all up."
4 minutes ago
Leon Hendrix

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "I didn't know what to do."
4 minutes ago
Leon Hendrix

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "I can't believe this happened to Amy...It's unreal."

Palomine
08-04-2011, 03:21 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "I ain't no murderer...that's not me."
15 seconds ago

Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "I wanted to shoot myself... But I couldn't do that. I had to be there for my kid."

Palomine
08-04-2011, 03:29 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "I should have just called 911"

Palomine
08-04-2011, 03:46 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: Beebe watched case developments on the news.

Palomine
08-04-2011, 03:56 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "I had no intentions for this to happen whatsoever... I ain't no murderer."

Palomine
08-04-2011, 04:00 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe to detective on tape: "I appreciate you guys."

Palomine
08-04-2011, 04:09 PM
back at 4:20

~n/t~
08-04-2011, 04:54 PM
Witnesses in trial of Junior Lee Beebe Jr. tell of disappearance of 2 women
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/08/witnesses_in_trial_of_junior_l.html


I always wondered if the affair was true or not. Will the neighbour testify if she saw Tonya in the truck that morning? James testified that Beebe told him Tonya was there with him that morning. If that's the case, the whole jealousy defense is BS, imo.

Should be interesting. Thanks for all the updates Palomine!

Palomine
08-04-2011, 05:02 PM
Key people in Beebe case

http://interactives.woodtv.com/photomojo/gallery/767/1/the-junior-beebe-jr.-case/amy-henslee/

Palomine
08-04-2011, 05:05 PM
court starts again at 9 am

Rhyme & Reason
08-04-2011, 05:22 PM
Missed the video - anyone have links to where it can be seen?

Sorry OldSteve, I never did find a recap of first day's testimony.

joe jones
08-04-2011, 06:00 PM
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CC4QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.woodtv.com%2Fdpp%2Fnews%2Floc al%2Fsw_mich%2Fjunior-beebe-murder-trial-aug-4-2011&rct=j&q=bebee%20trial&tbm=nws&ei=JRY7TrSzD5HCswa55PgH&usg=AFQjCNHerqBQpSJKrCIRx_N4AF8Iw26-YQ

from trial today,

OldSteve
08-04-2011, 08:52 PM
Sorry OldSteve, I never did find a recap of first day's testimony.

Thanks for trying!

Palomine
08-05-2011, 12:19 AM
Thanks for trying!

wood tv doesn't normally archive testimony they just run it live

Palomine
08-05-2011, 12:26 AM
Witnesses in trial of Junior Lee Beebe Jr. tell of disappearance of 2 women
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/08/witnesses_in_trial_of_junior_l.html


I always wondered if the affair was true or not. Will the neighbour testify if she saw Tonya in the truck that morning? James testified that Beebe told him Tonya was there with him that morning. If that's the case, the whole jealousy defense is BS, imo.

Should be interesting. Thanks for all the updates Palomine!


LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Thomas says she saw Who she believed to be Amy Henslee get into the truck, presumably driven by Beebe.
3 Aug

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Thomas lives across the street from the Henslee's and reportedly saw Beebe's truck in the driveway at the Henslee home.
3 Aug
Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Marie Thomas is on the stand.

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 12:40 AM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Thomas says she saw Who she believed to be Amy Henslee get into the truck, presumably driven by Beebe.
3 Aug

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Thomas lives across the street from the Henslee's and reportedly saw Beebe's truck in the driveway at the Henslee home.
3 Aug
Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Marie Thomas is on the stand.

Do you know if MT was asked if she saw only two people in the truck - Amy and Beebe?

There was confusion/talk on the old threads that Tonya might have been in the truck....

Also, thanks Palomine for the job you are doing!

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 08:24 AM
Also, thanks Palomine for the job you are doing!

:aktion:

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 08:28 AM
Trailer mock-up in courtroom:

http://media2.woodtv.com//photo/2011/08/04/beebe-trailer-court-080411_20110804112737_640_480.JPG


The prosecution built a mock-up of the trailer where Beebe sometimes stayed, placing it in the courtroom so jurors could see the space where the suspect says the shootings occurred. [LINK (http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox17-junior-lee-beebe-trial-henslee-and-howarth-murders-20110802,0,5582998.story)]


Earlier in the day, though, Kent County Medical Examiner Dr. Stephen Cohle said Henslee had bruises on her body that seemed to come from a blunt force object, and that those bruises happened just before she died. [LINK (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/junior-beebe-murder-trial-aug-5-2011)]

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 08:54 AM
Do you know if MT was asked if she saw only two people in the truck - Amy and Beebe?

There was confusion/talk on the old threads that Tonya might have been in the truck....

Also, thanks Palomine for the job you are doing!

I was wondering too. I could not watch or follow yesterday. No news accounts or twitter messages mention her seeing another woman in the truck - not saying she didn't testify that she did, its just not reported anywhere I can find. Every brief mention of her just states that she saw who she assumed to be AH get in the truck. Its an important piece of info if she saw TH in there too...but I also assume JB's mother's story about taking TH to pay a ticket was checked out and validated, so maybe she was not in the truck when JB got to the Henslee house.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 09:02 AM
court is now in session: http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video

courtroom twitterers:

Leon Hendrix: http://twitter.com/#!/leonhendrix

Lisa LaPlante: http://twitter.com/#!/lisalaplanteFOX

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 09:03 AM
Judge just mentioned "given the likelihood that the jury could go into deliberations today, need instructions by noon" ?!

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 09:06 AM
Looks like due to some evidence stipulations (agreed to by Def and Pros), 6 Pros witnesses will not be needed. Pretty sure that's what they just said - audio is bad unless speakers are at their mics.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 09:09 AM
Michigan Crime Lab fingerprint expert on the stand now, first witness of the day.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 09:14 AM
Witness has shotgun in a box in front of her on the stand, has identified it. I wonder of TH's finger prints are on it or not.

witness: buried with bodies was quickcrete, receipts, clothing, black latex gloves, a lighter, shotgun shells.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 09:19 AM
witness was unable to get a good print off the gun (only partial ridge), says the success rate of getting prints off a gun in any case is only 10%. I think I heard next witness is firearms examiner (for gunpowder residue) they are leaving the gun up there. Defense wanted clarification that this does not necessarily mean someone wiped the gun down - witness agrees.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 09:20 AM
Beth Clark, firearms examiner is on the stand now.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg812/scaled.php?server=812&filename=60405624.jpg&res=medium

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 09:35 AM
bodies found at 3 foot depth, defense objecting to jury seeing photo of bodies in hole - prosecution says jury needs to see hole was dug deep enough to ensure burial would not be discovered...judge will allow photo: probative outweighs prejudice. objection overruled

Palomine
08-05-2011, 09:53 AM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe's mom: Took Tonya to property where shootings occurred.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 09:53 AM
the neighbor said there was only the driver and Amy getting into car

Palomine
08-05-2011, 09:55 AM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Fingerprint expert says no prints were found on the gun used in the shootings..

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Investigator: First evidence found in shallow grave was a shotgun shell.

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Investigator: plastic bags, receipt, hacksaw, duct tape, a lighter package, shoes, cement... Among items found in grave.


LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Investigator: Bodies were buried at about 3 feet deep. First victim found was Amy Henslee.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:03 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Prosecutor: James Henslee called Beebe the day Amy disappeared, after a neighbor saw Beebe's truck in the driveway that morning

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Days after Amy disappears, search dogs go to Beebe property, find camper off-road, observe blood, call 911

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Officers find Beebe, ask if he knows where Amy is; claims he stopped by house day she disappeared, she wasn't home

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Beebe had four days to come up with story for where Amy was, what happened to her.

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: 3 people know what happened, 2 r dead. Had 4 days to cover things up; tells police Amy and Tonya are dead, buried

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: women died or 2 GSWs from Beebe shotgun - see if what Beebe claims happened makes sense

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Beebe will claim he was having affair w/Amy, stopped by Henslee house, offered to show her his recent MMA fight,

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Beebe says they smoked pot, are kissing on bed, door flies open, Howarth flies into rage, grabs shotgun, shoots Amy

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Big Cagefighter Beebe just sits and watches as women are 'fightin' and feudin'" - not clear if shotgun was racked

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Beebe says after 1st shot Amy sits on bed, still talking. Claims Howarth re-racks, shoots Amy again, says you're next

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Beebe says he fights for gun, it bends backwards and fires, hits Tonya, as she lays on floor, he shoots her again

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Beebe buries woman in frozen January ground. "Who covers up accidents? who covers up someone else's misdeeds?"

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Amy found buried in pj bottoms, sweatshirt, no coat, 1 glove; Tonya in sweatshirt, no coat. 4 shotgun shells found

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Amy had bruises on her body that were recent, within day or minutes of death; Tonya had broken leg, post-death

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Prosecutor: Trajectory of gunshot wound on 5'2" Amy, Beebe's explanation, set-up of camper does not make sense

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: first gunshot wound to Tonya would have been fatal, entered back of head going up,not consistent w/struggle

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: second gunshot wound to Tonya is near first; back of head, but from further distance

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros:DNA evidence found at scen from Tonya -no evidence that Amy was shot inside camper. says Beebe premeditated murders #BeebeTrial #FOX17

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:07 AM
It appears from the sound today they may have allowed the juror (who sent a letter to the Judge) to look at the sound equipment

he sent a letter to the Judge stating he was an IT guy and was interested in looking at the equipment at the end of trial day yesterday

sound is definitely better today

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:10 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Defense: burden of proof is on the Prosecutor - it's up to him to show you premeditation

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Defense: On 1/24/11 - "Why would a woman leave in her pajamas? Beebe was having an affair with Amy," Tonya comes by early

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Defense: Near-death experience can cloud judgment: "if my client remembers something wrong, who can blame him?"

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Defense: test for self defense - honest belief life was in danger. #BeebeTrial #FOX17

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Defense: "Only 2 choices are manslaughter of Tonya or self defense in death of Tonya: no evidence he killed Amy"


lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Defense: "One minute youíre making out with your secret lover, ten minutes later two people are dead."

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Defense: how Beebe "acted after the deaths is irrelevant" - lied over the next few days

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:14 AM
what medical examiner said was in their systems

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Dr. Cohle: toxicology tests showed Amy had Xanax and marijuana in her system, Tonya had meth in her system

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:15 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt: "we don’t test for residue on hands anymore: I could be in the vicinity of a shooting and get residue on my hands" #BeebeTrial #FOX17
32 minutes ago
Lisa LaPlante

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Photo is about to be shown to jury despite objection of defense -exhumed site, 3 feet deep showing what was found buried #BeebeTrial #fox17
37 minutes ago
Lisa LaPlante

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark: Duct tape and hack saw amongst items found buried with Amy Henslee and Tonya Howarth - #BeebeTrial #fox17
42 minutes ago
Lisa LaPlante

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
She is now explaining the exhumation process done January 27 #BeebeTrial
45 minutes ago
Lisa LaPlante

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Clark explains the troopers had to move a trailer on the property to exhume the bodies

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:17 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark, on cross-exam, discusses jamming of shotgun in #BeebeTrial - #fox17 taking morning break...
27 seconds ago

Lisa LaPlante
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark cannot confirm that Amy Henslee was shot in the trailer where Beebe says she was shot. #BeebeTrial #FOX17
7 minutes ago
Lisa LaPlante

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark: "I test-fired the gun 24, 25 times because I kept having problems" with shell ejection, reload #BeebeTrial #FOX17
16 minutes ago
Lisa LaPlante

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark is explaining how a shotgun is prepared for in #BeebeTrial - #FOX17

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:18 AM
if Beebe was a fighter he could have been taking steroids..wonder if this had anything to do with murders

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 10:22 AM
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg202/scaled.php?server=202&filename=huntzj.jpg&res=medium

defense atty Hunt inside mock trailer while crossing Beth Clark

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg833/scaled.php?server=833&filename=huntjb.jpg&res=medium

beebe and his attorney after Beth Clark steps down from the stand

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:25 AM
witness was unable to get a good print off the gun (only partial ridge), says the success rate of getting prints off a gun in any case is only 10%. I think I heard next witness is firearms examiner (for gunpowder residue) they are leaving the gun up there. Defense wanted clarification that this does not necessarily mean someone wiped the gun down - witness agrees.

that's a big gun for such a small trailer

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 10:27 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark, on cross-exam, discusses jamming of shotgun in #BeebeTrial - #fox17 taking morning break...
27 seconds ago

Lisa LaPlante
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark cannot confirm that Amy Henslee was shot in the trailer where Beebe says she was shot. #BeebeTrial #FOX17
7 minutes ago
Lisa LaPlante

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark: "I test-fired the gun 24, 25 times because I kept having problems" with shell ejection, reload #BeebeTrial #FOX17
16 minutes ago
Lisa LaPlante

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Sgt. Clark is explaining how a shotgun is prepared for in #BeebeTrial - #FOX17

Thanks for all the update postings - the above postings cover the testimony for the past hour+ from the State Crime Lab firearms examiner. I was also going to post screencaps and snippets from the live trial but got pulled away grrr... will try once we're out of the morning break.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 10:29 AM
that's a big gun for such a small trailer

Too bad they couldn't make Beebe get in there and attempt demonstrate his version of events. That might have sealed a conviction for murder 1.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Too bad they couldn't make Beebe get in there and attempt demonstrate his version of events. That might have sealed a conviction for murder 1.

he does look intently when ever they get in the trailer

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 10:33 AM
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg819/scaled.php?server=819&filename=woodtv.jpg&res=medium

porn on woodtv during the break? :laugh:

(camera is set to the ceiling art)

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:34 AM
there is a good trial coming up in October? from las Vegas Michael Lane

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jan/12/man-accused-fatal-frying-pan-attack-indicted/

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:35 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Guys- I'm told 1 or 2 witnesses left for prosecution, then the defense has it's turn. closing arguments after noon

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:37 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Next: Katherine Meredith, MSP Forensics, Biology unit, takes the stand

I like how quickly the established her as an expert witness!

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 10:39 AM
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg842/scaled.php?server=842&filename=biovs.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg594/scaled.php?server=594&filename=bio2m.jpg&res=medium

Katherine Meredith, State Crime lab DNA forensic analyst - next witness up for the State after morning break.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 10:43 AM
witness KM: not enough blood stains in trailer for pattern interpretation.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 10:56 AM
sample L10D analysis: 2 donors, major DNA matched TH.

she rec'd DNA samples of AH, JH, JB, TH.

pros: so we understand when we collect a sample and 2 donors, does that mean 2 people bled?
KM: not necessarily, other biological material could have contributed to sample for other donor.

(inaudible)

KM: concluded JB and JH excluded from DNA from 'other' donor, inconclusive as to AH

pros: next sample L11D, what is it?

KM: swab of entry doorway bottom corner, 2 donors - major DNA types matched, TH, JB, JH excluded - inconclusive as to AH.

moving on to swab 12 (kitchen countertop)

KM: L12D bloodstain matches JB, TH & AH & JH excluded. No dating on stain, could have occurred weeks ago.

L13 - swab of kitchenette baseboard blood

KM: 2 donors associated - major DNA matched TH, JB & AH & JH excluded.

L14D blood (still kitchenette)

KM: matched TH, AH & JH excluded, no determination as to JB

L17 swab of right bottom corner kitchenette

KM: 2 donors, matched TH, JB cannot be excluded, AH & JH excluded.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/1055/bio3l.jpg

L3D swab of shotgun grip

KM: match JB at 12 diff locations incl sex typing marker, TH & JH excluded from DNA typing, no conclusive on AH

pros: TH not a donor?

KM: correct

Palomine
08-05-2011, 10:59 AM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Investigator: Tonya Howarth's DNA was not found on the alleged murder weapon.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:02 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
So far, Meredith says no evidence indicating that Amy Henslee's blood was found inside Beebe's trailer

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:04 AM
Defense calls hole that girls placed into GRAVE...thats offensive

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 11:05 AM
cross examination

Hunt: bedding found in hole outside trailer - any blood

KM: yes, but not processed

Hunt: why not?

KM: both victims bleeding onto bedding, no need

Hunt: what if turns out hole wasn't dug until 3 days later, then bleeding on bodies would have stopped right...if bodies not placed in grave until laying for 2/3 days - at that point would not be contaminating bedding right?

KM: not necessarily, still could be a transfer of blood

hunt: had you tested the bedding, might you have been able to determine likelihood that one or another primary donor of blood?

KM: the whole stain itself would not have been collected, just a portion large enough to develop profile - cannot look at stain and determine who was larger contributor, just the number of donors.

westsidefox64
08-05-2011, 11:08 AM
I cant watch the trial due to my slow computer connection so I appriciate all the post from those who are watching.

This case has baffled me from the beginning and the trial doesnt seem to be clearing it up much for me. I dont think I will know what happened for sure even after its all said and done. JMO

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 11:13 AM
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg845/scaled.php?server=845&filename=roomh.jpg&res=medium

witness KM dismissed

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg834/scaled.php?server=834&filename=trooper2.jpg&res=medium

State Trooper Gano next up for State

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:13 AM
I cant watch the trial due to my slow computer connection so I appriciate all the post from those who are watching.

This case has baffled me from the beginning and the trial doesnt seem to be clearing it up much for me. I dont think I will know what happened for sure even after its all said and done. JMO

I think Amy was only friendly with Beebe for a drug connection, I think he put the moves on her and she may have said she was telling her husband...
I think he may have wanted to sleep with her to pay for her drug debt

I think Tonya coming out to trailer was a surprise and that she witnessed Amy dead so he killed her also

joe jones
08-05-2011, 11:13 AM
has anybody said who the gun belonged to, and why the gun was present in the trailer,

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:15 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Lt. Paul Gano from MSP on stand - just had tonsils out. He interviewed Beebe July 27, when bodies were found - #BeebeTrial #FOX17
3 minutes ago

Lisa LaPlante
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Def: Did you test blood on the bedding buried w/victims? Meredith: No, can’t tell when the transfer occurred. She's excused.

joe jones
08-05-2011, 11:16 AM
duct tape found in hole they were buried in not good for defence, what was the need for duct tape to be placed in there if it went down as he said, no need for duct tape if Tonya shot Amy and then he shot Tonya in self defence

duct tape to me sounds like it was there as part of planned event, as if Bebee was planning to use duct tape on somebody

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:18 AM
has anybody said who the gun belonged to, and why the gun was present in the trailer,

Pumkin testified that they were using the trailer for hunting

only Junior has said there was a gun inside the trailer

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 11:19 AM
I think Amy was only friendly with Beebe for a drug connection, I think he put the moves on her and she may have said she was telling her husband...
I think he may have wanted to sleep with her to pay for her drug debt

I think Tonya coming out to trailer was a surprise and that she witnessed Amy dead so he killed her also

I agree, but I also wonder why the pre-trial agreement that defense would not introduce evidence of JB/AH affair and/or AH affairs in general as long as prosecution and witnesses did not try to deny JB/AH affair. Maybe the State was going to attack that contention but JH didn't want evidence to come out or people to testify about it and asked them (State) not to?

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 11:22 AM
duct tape found in hole they were buried in not good for defence, what was the need for duct tape to be placed in there if it went down as he said, no need for duct tape if Tonya shot Amy and then he shot Tonya in self defence

duct tape to me sounds like it was there as part of planned event, as if Bebee was planning to use duct tape on somebody

That, and the other stuff found in there incl black latex gloves.

Plus the bodies were 3 feet under.

None of this meshes with the defense opening statement that JB was performing all of this in a zombie like state of shock.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:22 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Lt. Gano is describing Beebe's initial statements to police when he was taken into custody on January 27, 2011

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 11:23 AM
gotta run...back around 2 or so.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:25 AM
I agree, but I also wonder why the pre-trial agreement that defense would not introduce evidence of JB/AH affair and/or AH affairs in general as long as prosecution and witnesses did not try to deny JB/AH affair. Maybe the State was going to attack that contention but JH didn't want evidence to come out or people to testify about it and asked them (State) not to?

I think it is good they aren't trashing the victim...if she had affairs it doesn't mean she deserves to die

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:26 AM
gotta run...back around 2 or so.

closing arguments may start at 1

joe jones
08-05-2011, 11:28 AM
Pumkin testified that they were using the trailer for hunting

only Junior has said there was a gun inside the trailer

thanks, his story is sounding less and less plausible as the trial goes on,

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:28 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Prosecution rests in #BeebeTrial - #FOX17 Defense Atty Hunt has witnesses.
21 seconds ago

Lisa LaPlante
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Def: Did Beebe say how long the struggle with Tonya ensued? Lt. Gano: No #BeebeTrial #FOX17

Tonya's daughter on stand

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:31 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Defense calls Amber Nichol Bradshaw, Tonya Howarth's daughter, saw her mother use the shotgun used in shootings

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:32 AM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Daughter testified that Howarth knew how to operate the alleged murder weapon.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:32 AM
Juniors mom looks like Jason Young's MOM

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:33 AM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Tonya's daughter is done, defense recalls Beebe's mother, Karen Beebe

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:35 AM
trial is over till closing arguments at 1:30

Palomine
08-05-2011, 11:36 AM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Closings to start after lunch.
1 minute ago

Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
The defense has rested it's case.

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 01:06 PM
Too bad they couldn't make Beebe get in there and attempt demonstrate his version of events. That might have sealed a conviction for murder 1.

Probably that's a reason he didn't testify - if he did he could have been asked...

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 01:08 PM
Thanks Palomine and jrb0124 - really great job!!!

Wow! this trial is moving very fast! I've often thought when a person has money to afford high-priced attorneys, they will drag a trial on for as long as possible so that jury becomes confused, which creates reasonable doubt as a result of their heads spinning from days of testimony...

Palomine
08-05-2011, 01:29 PM
Probably that's a reason he didn't testify - if he did he could have been asked...

this defense won't allow his clients to take stand

Palomine
08-05-2011, 01:46 PM
lawyers met in chambers to discuss jury instructions...no objections from pros

defense had objection but couldn't hear it

Palomine
08-05-2011, 01:47 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Judge denied defense motion to dismiss murder charge; Prosecutor's Closing arguments underway in

Palomine
08-05-2011, 01:48 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
The defense moved to have the murder charge dropped on Amy Henslee's homicide. Also asked for 1st degree murder option to be removed.

Rhyme & Reason
08-05-2011, 01:49 PM
wood tv doesn't normally archive testimony they just run it live

Oh, ok. That's why I couldn't find it LOL

Palomine
08-05-2011, 01:50 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Judge denied both motions. Defense also asked for a juror instruction to be changed... Also denied.

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 01:53 PM
Just to repost -Link to live courtroom::
http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video

Palomine
08-05-2011, 01:54 PM
pros say Junior's what is he concerned about..is he showing remorse during taped statement

Palomine
08-05-2011, 01:55 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: Mr. Beebe says to himself police are here blood is there they’re not going away, probably going to find a lot of evidence. #BeebeTrial

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 01:58 PM
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8314/capsh.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9430/caps2j.jpg

Prosecutor Juris Caps giving closing argument.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 01:59 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Beebe shook his head 'no' when the prosecutor said he was a murderer. Otherwise has shown little emotion during the trial.
12 seconds ago

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:02 PM
pros: JB's own mother acknowledged that TH wanted her to drive her out there because she (TH) knew he was there.

pros: Expectation at 10:00 AM that people were going to be there.

pros: JB didn't know Buddy was running late had every reason to expect those 2 will showing up at 10:00.

pros: JB claims he was there for a sexual encouter, his claim (according to pros)...but given narrow timeframe, if any truth to that at all why now stay at the Henslee residence? why tromp through hundreds of feet of snow to go to this trailer for that purpose?

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:03 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Prosecutor uses statements made in videotaped confession to suggest Beebe was only worried about himself, no remorse.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:10 PM
pros: you've heard that AH is shot in the trailer. I don;t know for a fact she wasn't - there is no physical evidence of it, no evidence AH was ever in that trailer at any time. Def says pros has no scenario, I am going to give you one now just as good as JB's

pros: JB goes to Henslee house to pickup AH (sex, drugs, some other pretense) lets hypothesize that as true...explains her leaving house in pajama bottoms and tennis shoes. They go westbound...I don;t know exactly what happened, but something goes bad - argument disagreement, AH wants to go home - you know AH was assaulted (bruises and abrasions) nothing in JB's story to explain that. Somewhere along this morning she goes these bruise and abrasions...whether attempt to force sexual relationship on her, argument...any number of things to create this situation where the anger or fear of being reported to police causes him to grab his shotgun wherever it may have been, and he shoots AH. probably out neat the trailer. then TH comes along and discovers what he's done, says "no I am not going along with this"...he says "yes you are"...that's as reasonable a story as his.

pros: I have a tape measure for you (jury) to play around with. We know that the thigh route to Ah 6 inches or less from front to back below upward slight her left to right - right in crotch area.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3096/caps3t.jpg

pros: how in the world does injury to AH thigh occur given what he says happened, end of barrel well above waist for someone 5'2" how is she shot in direction and angle, not possible. Shot#2 in chest

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 02:10 PM
Pros:

Defense has not mentioned or explained how Amy got all the bruises on her body!

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:12 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Prosecutor has another scenario, saying perhaps Amy was lured from home under false pretenses, killed somewhere else.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:15 PM
pros: (demonstrating positioning in trailer to show no way shots could have occurred at angles and distances JB says given length of shotgun, position of bed, height of trailer, height of people involved) Shot#2 only possibly if AH sitting up...possible only. TH has shot to back of head pretty straight 6" contact wound. Only gunshot evidence in trailer is doorknob consistence with birdshot. If TH shot in trailer and it was contact wound, door was open. shot that don't hit her hit the door, gives us a location of where she was when she was shot. Other wound right begind ear 3-4 feet away below upward, most likely scenario someone laying on the ground and someone standing over them fires into the back of their head.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7210/caps4ki.jpg

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 02:18 PM
Pros:

Angle and location of second shot to behind Tonya's ear was when she down on the ground - execution style!

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:23 PM
pros: If TH angry about what she shes upon entering trailer isn't it going to be directed at JB and AH - not "let me go get a gun" that she probably didn't know was there. And would her anger be directed at AH more or JB more? what's the likelihood of her glancing over and see the gun, perhaps having to get by them to get get especially with JB the cage fighter trying to stop her. Not impossible, but she needs to swing the gun around in a pretty confined area, but if that is what is happening and JB is here and she is a step or 2 away...before its a danger she is going to have to swing it around, yet he sits there like a bump on a log according to him. the gun "happens" to be loaded, safety off, racked and ready to fire. Once there is a shot in confined area, pretty loud blast will get somebody's attention, racking the gun would get someone's attention (talking about Mr. Beebe).

pros: I am going to give JB benefit of the doubt, lets assume Ah is standing up and feuding with TH, lets assume she is back as far as she can be although confrontation presumes people moving towards each other not away. Lets put TH as far back as she can be...still can't explain shot in leg. (JC shows how hard it is to maneuver gun in trailer into position)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1873/caps5v.jpg

pros: not evidence that JB was cowering in the corner. We know gun can jam, but luckily for JB it jammed at precisely the right moment to save his life. In his original statement JB "I acted in self defense, I ain't no murderer, I am a victim"...but then "I though about killing myself, really? really? you almost became a victim and saved yourself by firing a gunshot to the head of someone else, and now you are thinking about killing yourself...WHY?"

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:28 PM
pros: he (JB) makes some motions on that tape, during the struggle he was said it (the gun) got backward behind her. The muzzle was coming up, then how does she get shot if it went back ward? (pros tries to demonstrate JB story about this in the trailer mock-up - can't do it)

pros: couldn't have happened the way JB says it did, in this confined area? no .. in his story she gets off 2 shots and racks it a third time and only then does JB react(?) those of you who are baseball fans know earnie hallwell (Tigers broadcasters) always describes batter taking third strike as "house on the side of the road and watershed it go by". Common sense tells a different story.

pros: We need to talk about the actual charge...

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 02:31 PM
I wonder why the pros did not say if the first shot to back of Tonya's head was as Beebe has said, with gun pointing upward, then there would have been shot up into the trailer ceiling... no mention of shot splatter on walls?

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:33 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
There is extra police presence in the courtroom... Presumably in anticipation of a verdict. Closings continue...

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:34 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
There is extra police presence in the courtroom... Presumably in anticipation of a verdict. Closings continue...

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 02:34 PM
Pros is claiming 2nd shot to Tonya shows he wanted to kill her...

Again, Pros does not mention shot blast that should appear on the floor for the 2nd shot..
Also no mention of blood splatter so far...
Key to 1st degree murder is that second shot....

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:35 PM
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/3978/caps6.jpg

pros: what does JB do as TH laying there with a mortal wound? racks gun again and shots here behind the ear. THAT is an execution, and that is a murder. There is no self defense there. I would suggest by any stretch when someone laying on the floor helpless and dying - if there ever was any danger there is not anymore, to rack and pump another shot into the head is not self defense. What is it? I would suggest at least - giving benefit of doubt - murder 2...he intended to kill.

pros: time to contemplate one's action...after seeing devastation a shot from this gun would cause, as she is laying there with her head blown apart and surveying that situation and making a decision to pump and fire again - first degree murder, even by his scenario.

pros: Now lets talk about other scenarios - not his story. AH was a relative of his, taking into consideration her size, his shotgun that had to be retrieved from someplace in trailer, vehicle or elsewhere...had to be obtained by him, loaded (if not), racked (maybe not first time)...in order to shoot her had to be at close range, does not happen without some thinking out beforehand and at that point in time she is no danger to him clearly, he has already shot her once, and levels it and shots her again.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:38 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: "we have someone laying on the floor, helpless, dying, to pop another shot into that person’s head, is not self defense"

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:38 PM
pros: digging 4 foot deep hole and dumping 2 bodies + other junk and cement - how very respectful that was (sarc), hiding a gun and destroying evidence that if your story was true could clear you (assume he means TH fingerprint or DNA on gun)...guilty people lie, innocent people don't. I would ask you to consider the obvious, take a look at his story and see how it doesn;t fit, would ask for conviction on first degree murder on both AH and TH.

-prosecution finishes closing statement-

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:40 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Prosecutor: Obviously Beebe is lying. Wraps closing statement and asks for 1st Degree Murder Conviction.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:40 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: "four days to cover it up, guilty people lie, innocent people don’t." Asks for first degree conviction from jury

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 02:42 PM
Defense begin - starts with IMO lots of talk about nothing talking about emotions ...

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:42 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Pros: "four days to cover it up, guilty people lie, innocent people donít." Asks for first degree conviction from jury

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:43 PM
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg4/scaled.php?server=4&filename=zhunt.jpg&res=medium

Hunt (def): you have emotions and anger, who could have done such a horrible thing, violates every sense of civilization and society...you become angry and so do I so do everyone with an outrageous crime. Along with the anger come a thirst for justice you think how sad for victim and family, then I hope they catch the guy who did it and I hope he fries. Its okay to feel that way we all do, but you are being asked to set aside, no deny those emotions. I am asking you to set them aside and render a verdict free from your emotion. If you cannot do that there is a problem. If you are so hung up on a sense of justice you don't stop and ask who is guilty and what of? in order to make that analysis you have to get rid of that anger that says "get him!"

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:45 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Defense attorney now presenting closings... Calls on jury to only consider evidence...not emotions.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:49 PM
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6577/zhunt2.jpg

def: can't convict him just because you don't like him, need to look at these facts of this case. I found Mr. Beebe to be a decent nice guy who is remorseful, I am not providing evidence. He did have lots of friends, not many problems in his family, DJing AH birthday party has friends doesn't have reputation as horrible bad guy. Fact is none of you know JB, I only know him a little better than you. Set aside your righteous anger at what happened.

def: speculating that JB enticed AH into his truck on pretense of emergency, that is speculation not evidence you do not convict anyone on that. No one denying serious evidence here but where is evidence of first degree murder and premed? if you bringing someone to trailer to kill them you would already have grave dug and line trailer with plastic like in Good Fellas when they shot Joe Pesci, but what do we have instead? the most pathetic crime scene cleanup I have seen in my life - clearly no premed, no evidence of premed for anything or anybody here.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 02:50 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Def: "I didn’t hear another story" from Prosecutor - "speculation, not evidence. No evidence of first degree murder

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 02:56 PM
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1433/zhunt3.jpg

defense disputing positioning people in trailer argued by pros, claiming alternative positioning which could fit JB's story.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 03:04 PM
Wow, kinda of rude calling James controlling because he calls his wife during the day

Palomine
08-05-2011, 03:12 PM
Defense: Junior's story is the only one that fits.
1 minute ago

Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Prosecutor just did what he called a reenactment of what may have happened inside the trailer, pointing out that it may have happened in :45

Palomine
08-05-2011, 03:15 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Defense: Tonya was a raving monster in Beebe's mind when altercation took place.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 03:27 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Defense to jury: You must accept Beebe's story.
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Leon Hendrix
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Defense attorney: Bruises on Amy "surprised" him. He speculates that bruises were there before she met with Beebe.

lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Def: "The story about how Tonya, Amy & Junior ended up in that room appears to be the case–only thing that explains why everyone was there"

Palomine
08-05-2011, 03:31 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Closing rebuttal from Juri Kaps, prosecutor now in #BeebeTrial
2 minutes ago

Lisa LaPlante
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Def: "If you believe his story, he can't be found guilty of murder" - says AT WORST, voluntary manslaughter for Tonya's death

Palomine
08-05-2011, 03:37 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Closing rebuttal from Juris Kaps, prosecutor now in #BeebeTrial
2 minutes ago

Lisa LaPlante
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Def: "If you believe his story, he can't be found guilty of murder" - says AT WORST, voluntary manslaughter for Tonya's death

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 03:45 PM
pros rebuttal finished.

judge says he needs to address the court outside the presence of the jury

jury excused by judge for 15 min.

jury leaves,

judge says (with a hint of annoyance) "we're off the record I want the cameras off"

Palomine
08-05-2011, 03:45 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Prosecutor: Beebe shot both of them twice -we don't know which one was shot first #BeebeTrial

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Closings over. Jury excused. Judge addressing people in courtroom

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Judge just ordered cameras off.

LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Judge addressing crowd for making comments during court proceedings...

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 03:46 PM
spectators now filing out...

Palomine
08-05-2011, 03:49 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Judge has jury leave, tells rest of courtroom to stay in the room. Tells people in gallery to refrain from comments #BeebeTrial
1 minute ago

Palomine
08-05-2011, 04:00 PM
OT

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/national/story/Jury-convicts-5-officers-in-post-Katrina-shootings/isAvgfiPZ0G6DgpWCZMfOQ.cspx

Palomine
08-05-2011, 04:04 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Judge now giving jurors instructions on deliberations...

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 04:14 PM
courtroom shots during jury instructions:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg163/scaled.php?server=163&filename=gal5s.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg694/scaled.php?server=694&filename=gal4.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg691/scaled.php?server=691&filename=gal3nd.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg405/scaled.php?server=405&filename=gal2p.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg62/scaled.php?server=62&filename=gal1f.jpg&res=medium

Palomine
08-05-2011, 04:24 PM
Love your pics!!!!

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 04:25 PM
picking names out of a hat to remove the 2 alternate jurors

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 04:27 PM
and....off they go into deliberations.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 04:29 PM
verdict watch

Palomine
08-05-2011, 04:30 PM
picking names out of a hat to remove the 2 alternate jurors

that would be me...I have the worst luck..imagine sitting everyday and not getting picked in the end

Carolina Girl
08-05-2011, 04:33 PM
Well, we will see what they have to say. Thank you all for the updates and pictures.

I still believe him. Boils down to a crime of passion, and the killings were the result of heat of the moment.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 04:37 PM
Well, we will see what they have to say. Thank you all for the updates and pictures.

I still believe him. Boils down to a crime of passion, and the killings were the result of heat of the moment.

no way...he killed Amy and Tonya happened upon the crime..he probably shot Tonya when she was going to get help

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 04:39 PM
Well, we will see what they have to say. Thank you all for the updates and pictures.

I still believe him. Boils down to a crime of passion, and the killings were the result of heat of the moment.

I'm not so sure. I am pretty sure at this point the TH count could return a murder 1, murder 2 at the very least, and maybe no conviction on AH. I can see the jury settling on that instead of tying up deliberations to figure out what happened with AH.

If you could see the movements with a shotgun inside that trailer mock-up, like the pros says...its very difficult to believe things went down the way Beebe said they did.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 04:39 PM
also who buries evidence if it was self defense...moving the bodies shows motive

Palomine
08-05-2011, 04:54 PM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Two female jurors excused as alternates.

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 05:00 PM
also who buries evidence if it was self defense...moving the bodies shows motive

Or tries to sanitize it for that matter?

If things went down the way he said they did the forensic evidence would have more than likely supported his story. Instead, he tries to get rid of all the evidence, and probably wipes the gun down (didn't expect that crime lab would still find only his DNA on it).

One of the better points the pros made in closing is if TH had walked in on them as JB says, what are the odds her first instinct is to look around behind her for a shotgun, finds one loaded, safety off and racked, and is able to raise and aim it and hit AH (in a place and at an angle that the ME said was highly unlikely given JB's story), re-rack and fire again without JB being able to stop it. And why was there no trace of AH's blood or DNA whatsoever in the trailer?

jrb0124
08-05-2011, 05:06 PM
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3124/measure.jpg

Here is the measuring tape the pros offered to the jury during his closing that they could use in their deliberations if they wanted. That was a nice touch, double meaning IMO...telling them directly that the trailer was too confined and the weapon too long for JB's story to be true, and kind of telling them in an indirect manner that their story would "measure up" better.

OldSteve
08-05-2011, 05:46 PM
Well, key things for me are all the shots - two to Tonya does not speak of self-defense. All the bruises to Amy that are unexplained. No evidence that Amy was even in the trailer.
Small size of trailer, size of shotgun...
Defense did not present any blood splatter or shot splatter to counter prosecution claims...

Palomine
08-05-2011, 06:54 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Jurors still deliberating in #BeebeTrial @ this hour. They requested evidence to review. #fox17 will share the verdict on air & online.

Palomine
08-05-2011, 07:03 PM
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
Jury: Done for day, resume Tuesday in #BeebeTrial

Carolina Girl
08-05-2011, 07:13 PM
Why are they not coming back on Monday?

Palomine
08-05-2011, 08:00 PM
Why are they not coming back on Monday?

maybe it is a court holiday

Palomine
08-05-2011, 08:03 PM
http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox17-junior-lee-beebe-trial-henslee-and-howarth-murders-20110802,0,5582998.story

Palomine
08-05-2011, 08:05 PM
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Facebook-page-supports-alleged-killer

Palomine
08-05-2011, 08:10 PM
http://www2.tbo.com/search/?source=all&query=Robert+Temple

this one just ended but it was a very cool cold case

~n/t~
08-05-2011, 10:29 PM
Holy smokes! That was a quick trial.

Thanks for all the updates.

~n/t~
08-05-2011, 10:49 PM
Did the pros present a motive? I know they don't have to but just wondering. I was always curious about motive. Why Amy?

Carolina Girl
08-05-2011, 11:56 PM
They did not present a motive.

Rhyme & Reason
08-06-2011, 01:48 AM
Well, we will see what they have to say. Thank you all for the updates and pictures.

I still believe him. Boils down to a crime of passion, and the killings were the result of heat of the moment.

I totally agree with you.

Rhyme & Reason
08-06-2011, 01:51 AM
also who buries evidence if it was self defense...moving the bodies shows motive

I think he just panicked.

IMO

jrb0124
08-06-2011, 07:40 AM
Did the pros present a motive? I know they don't have to but just wondering. I was always curious about motive. Why Amy?

They did not present a motive.

Carolina Girl is right in that the pros didn't claim to know the motive...but they did throw a suggestion out there during closing (me paraphrasing Kaps):

"JB goes to the Henslee house to pickup AH (sex, drugs, some other pretense) lets hypothesize that as true...explains her leaving house in pajama bottoms and tennis shoes. They go westbound...I don't know exactly what happened, but something goes bad - argument disagreement, AH wants to go home - you know AH was assaulted (bruises and abrasions) nothing in JB's story to explain that. Somewhere along this morning she goes these bruises and abrasions...whether attempt to force sexual relationship on her, argument...any number of things to create this situation where the anger or fear of being reported to police causes him to grab his shotgun wherever it may have been, and he shoots AH, probably out near the trailer. Then TH comes along and discovers what he's done, says "no I am not going along with this"...he says "yes you are"...that's as reasonable a story as his."

jrb0124
08-06-2011, 08:43 AM
Why are they not coming back on Monday?

I think I found the answer to this. The town council and committee meetings noted below are every 2nd and 4th Monday of each month. Its likely that there are a number of individuals involved with operating the courthouse who are also involved with the council or committees.

Public Service Commission Meeting
when:Aug 8, 2011 All Day where:Paw Paw, MI from:Village Of Paw Paw category:Government and Politics

Finance and Administration Committee Meeting
when:Aug 8, 2011 All Day where:Paw Paw, MI from:Village Of Paw Paw category:Government and Politics

[LINK (http://www.pawpaw.net/forms/DATES%20TIMES%20LOCATIONS.pdf)]

jrb0124
08-06-2011, 09:24 AM
Some thoughts as I'm coming around to the opinion that JB might be found guilty of murder 1 on both counts:

If this jury finds that TH did not shoot AH in the trailer as claimed by JB, it is a certainty that they will find that JB is the one who shot AH.

If this jury finds that JB is the one who shot AH, its a certainty that they will find JB guilty of the first degree murder of both AH (2 shots) and TH. I don't think anyone believes that AH - who was suppossed to be back for a 10:00 call was killed AFTER TH, who was dropped off at the trailer at 10:00...and there is absolutely no reasonable scenario where AH was deliberately shot by JB and TH was then shot twice by JB in self-defense.

Following this train of logic, for the jury to return murder 1 on both counts, the only question they really need to answer is "Did TH shoot AH?"

What evidence is there that TH handled the shotgun that morning? prints? DNA? none.
***yet JB's DNA was on the shotgun - the only DNA on the shotgun

What evidence is there that AH was shot in the trailer? blood? DNA? none.
***yet TH and JB DNA/blood found in the trailer

What evidence is there that TH 'surprised' JB and AH? none.
***in fact, JB expected 2 people (not incl AH) to be at his trailer at or around 10:00...TH and Buddy.

The above questions are only in regard to the issue of whther TH surprised JB and AH in the trailer and then shot AH (twice).

Aside from everything else the jury will sort out - and there isn't too much more, if they find beyond a reasonable doubt that TH was not the one who shot AH, the rest of their findings kind of fall into place do they not?

Palomine
08-06-2011, 12:12 PM
I think Beebe put the moves on Amy that day, she said she was going to tell and he killed her, unfortunately for Tonya she happened into the crime scene
What a waste of two people

jrb0124
08-06-2011, 12:52 PM
I think Beebe put the moves on Amy that day, she said she was going to tell and he killed her, unfortunately for Tonya she happened into the crime scene
What a waste of two people

Very possible...and to flesh it out a little more how about this scenario:

AH has been sneaking off with JB to his trailer on occasion to smoke marijuana. No one else knows about this.

JB has a big crush on AH (remember JH said mentioned JB was infatuated with her), and imagines that he'll eventually get her to succumb...after all, in his mind, who couldn't resist this big bad cage fighting DJ?

So as offered above, he puts the moves on her this time - she freaks out and is repulsed. This is a big blow to his ego. Also, he's on something too - remember he was not arrested that day or tested for drugs. Instead of backing off he presses harder, AH threatens to tell her husband and/or others, demands to be taken home.

At this point JB realizes he has lost any chance whatsoever of ever consummating that day dream of his with AH, ruined their occasional get-togethers...this is it. Instead of suffering the embarrassment of the accusations to be leveled at him by the family, and with no chance to be with AH again he figures he'll soften the blow.

He's lost the friendship and any respect towards him from AH, will never see her again outside a forced social setting - maybe not that either if she tells. No point in her being around anymore if he cannot have her right? This way he doesn;t suffer both the loss of Ah and the respect of his family. After all, who will know? she has no cell - no pings to trace, no one knows she is out here, and I can make an alibi. No one saw me pick her up as far as i know...

JB shoots her, and as he is cleaning up...along comes TH.

OldSteve
08-06-2011, 01:36 PM
Carolina Girl is right in that the pros didn't claim to know the motive...but they did throw a suggestion out there during closing (me paraphrasing Kaps):

"JB goes to the Henslee house to pickup AH (sex, drugs, some other pretense) lets hypothesize that as true...explains her leaving house in pajama bottoms and tennis shoes. They go westbound...I don't know exactly what happened, but something goes bad - argument disagreement, AH wants to go home - you know AH was assaulted (bruises and abrasions) nothing in JB's story to explain that. Somewhere along this morning she goes these bruises and abrasions...whether attempt to force sexual relationship on her, argument...any number of things to create this situation where the anger or fear of being reported to police causes him to grab his shotgun wherever it may have been, and he shoots AH, probably out near the trailer. Then TH comes along and discovers what he's done, says "no I am not going along with this"...he says "yes you are"...that's as reasonable a story as his."

Thanks for posting the above transcript.

Looks like IMO that prosecution made a good first degree murder case for TH because of the second shot to the back of her head....
In AH case, as mentioned in the above, is that enough for 1st deg. murder?

oceanblueeyes
08-06-2011, 06:40 PM
Well, we will see what they have to say. Thank you all for the updates and pictures.

I still believe him. Boils down to a crime of passion, and the killings were the result of heat of the moment.

I dont believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

His story does not line up with the forensic evidence and forensic evidence does not lie.

imo

jrb0124
08-08-2011, 01:07 PM
jury was dismissed at 7 p.m. Friday, they spent part of their 2 1/2 hours in deliberation reviewing materials in the courtroom. Prosecutor Juris Kaps had a mock-up of Beebe's camping trailer built to give some perspective on claims Beebe made about the womens' death. [LINK (http://www.rock1017fm.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=125494&article=8934496)]

Deliberations will resume Tuesday at 8:30 a.m. [LINK (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/08/jury_in_junior_lee_beebe_jr_tr.html)]

oceanblueeyes
08-08-2011, 06:49 PM
I think Beebe put the moves on Amy that day, she said she was going to tell and he killed her, unfortunately for Tonya she happened into the crime scene
What a waste of two people

I do too Palomine.

I don't even think Amy was killed in the rinky dink camper.
If she suffered two shotgun blast her DNA would have been everywhere in it. I think he beat her before he killed Amy.

Supposedly Bebee said Amy was sitting on the bed when shot? So Tonya would have been closer to the entrance door.

Then why wasn't Tonya body drug out of the camper first since she would be closest to the door? Amy's body was in the grave first and then Tonya's, right?

He lies.......IMO, he doesn't want to admit that he came on to Amy and she spurned him, imo, and he flew into a rage and decided he was going to murder her because he knew she would tell James. I think he knew Tonya was coming so he lay in wait for her and murdered her too.

I think he is one nasty beefy brute. Neither one of those women could have racked that shotgun, aimed and fired without him yanking it away. Both of them were small. Neither of them were any match for him. Tussled with him for the gun? Horsepoopy.

IMO

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 09:11 AM
[LINK (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/junior-beebe-jury-deliberations-murder)]

PAW PAW, Mich. (WOOD) - A jury has resumed deliberations in the double-murder trial of Junior Beebe Jr., accused of killing Amy Henslee and Tonya Howarth in January, then burying their bodies in a shallow grave on his family's property.

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 09:15 AM
As a reminder, Beebe is charged with 2 counts of open murder.

For each count the jury can return any one of these verdicts: 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, acquital.

Studies on deliberation time consistently show that length of voir dire and complexity of the case are two of the major factors influencing deliberation time to reach a verdict. Since juror selection went quickly, and this case is not too complex; I would be surprised if we don't have a verdict today.

Palomine
08-09-2011, 09:49 AM
on wood tv now is penalty phase for serial killer Anthony Sowell
http://news.yahoo.com/serial-killer-anthony-sowell-apologizes-victims-families-211633351.html

Palomine
08-09-2011, 09:59 AM
LeonHendrix Leon Hendrix
Court about to go on the record. Verdict has not been reached. Jury has questions that attorneys are answering.

Palomine
08-09-2011, 10:21 AM
omg they believe Beebe's version!

CarlApple Carl Apple
by lisalaplanteFOX
Jury has questions seeking additional information about DNA evidence, description of Beebe trailer among other things.
7 minutes ago

Lisa LaPlante
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
“@CarlApple: Jury wants option of 'accessory to murder' charge. Judge says it's not an option.” #BeebeTrial #fox17

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 10:43 AM
omg they believe Beebe's version!

CarlApple Carl Apple
by lisalaplanteFOX
Jury has questions seeking additional information about DNA evidence, description of Beebe trailer among other things.
7 minutes ago

Lisa LaPlante
lisalaplanteFOX Lisa LaPlante
“@CarlApple: Jury wants option of 'accessory to murder' charge. Judge says it's not an option.” #BeebeTrial #fox17

Hmmm....I doubt they want it for the TH count, maybe for the AH count? i.e. that their finding is JB may have "allowed" (passively consented/did nothing to stop it) TH to kill AH, then JB got rid of TH.

There is no way JB can be an accessory to TH murder, because if he was to the AH murder then there was no one left to be an accessory to.

I don't understand accessory at all though, as no one else had their DNA on the murder weapon except JB.

~n/t~
08-09-2011, 10:47 AM
Hmmm....I doubt they want it for the TH count, maybe for the AH count? i.e. that their finding is JB may have "allowed" (passively consented) TH to kill AH, then JB got rid of TH.

There is no way JB can be an accessory to TH murder, because if he was to the AH murder then there was no one left to be an accessory to.

I don't understand accessory at all though, as no one else had their DNA on the murder weapon except JB.

Right and he admitted to killing her in self defense. :innocent:

I think they're hung up on AH's murder which doesn't surprise me.

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 10:48 AM
Right and he admitted to killing her in self defense. :innocent:

I think they're hung up on AH's murder which doesn't surprise me.

Exactly.

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:04 AM
As to the request for being able to consider "accessory to murder" as an option:

The question was one of several the jurors submitted to Hamre just before they were sent home Friday evening...It was put on the record Tuesday morning.
.
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Hamre told the jury Tuesday morning that they cannot consider convicting Beebe of accessory to murder.

...and the additional info requested:

the jury also asked Hamre for transcripts of testimony from Van Buren County Sheriff's Deputy Tony Evans, Michigan State Police DNA expert Catherine Meredith. They also asked for any photos of the interior of Beebe's trailer.


[LINK (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/08/jury_members_in_junior_beebe_j.html)]

~n/t~
08-09-2011, 11:07 AM
As to the request for being able to consider "accessory to murder" as an option:

The question was one of several the jurors submitted to Hamre just before they were sent home Friday evening...It was put on the record Tuesday morning.
.
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Hamre told the jury Tuesday morning that they cannot consider convicting Beebe of accessory to murder.

...and the additional info requested:

the jury also asked Hamre for transcripts of testimony from Van Buren County Sheriff's Deputy Tony Evans, Michigan State Police DNA expert Catherine Meredith. They also asked for any photos of the interior of Beebe's trailer.


[LINK (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/08/jury_members_in_junior_beebe_j.html)]

Looks like he gained some weight in jail. Wish we had the transcripts available. I wonder why they want her DNA testimony. Anybody know what she testified to?

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:10 AM
Looks like he gained some weight in jail. Wish we had the transcripts available. I wonder why they want her DNA testimony. Anybody know what she testified to?

this is a rough transcribe:

sample L10D analysis: 2 donors, major DNA matched TH.

she rec'd DNA samples of AH, JH, JB, TH.

pros: so we understand when we collect a sample and 2 donors, does that mean 2 people bled?
KM: not necessarily, other biological material could have contributed to sample for other donor.

(inaudible)

KM: concluded JB and JH excluded from DNA from 'other' donor, inconclusive as to AH

pros: next sample L11D, what is it?

KM: swab of entry doorway bottom corner, 2 donors - major DNA types matched TH, JB, JH excluded - inconclusive as to AH.

moving on to swab 12 (kitchen countertop)

KM: L12D bloodstain matches JB, TH & AH & JH excluded. No dating on stain, could have occurred weeks ago.

L13 - swab of kitchenette baseboard blood

KM: 2 donors associated - major DNA matched TH, JB & AH & JH excluded.

L14D blood (still kitchenette)

KM: matched TH, AH & JH excluded, no determination as to JB

L17 swab of right bottom corner kitchenette

KM: 2 donors, matched TH, JB cannot be excluded, AH & JH excluded.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/1055/bio3l.jpg

L3D swab of shotgun grip

KM: match JB at 12 diff locations incl sex typing marker, TH & JH excluded from DNA typing, no conclusive on AH

pros: TH not a donor?

KM: correct

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:21 AM
Off topic a little;

On the woodtv website one of the other stories under "latest news" was titled:

Meth lab found in hole near home

I swear, everytime I visit their site the words "meth lab" is somewhere on the front page.

~n/t~
08-09-2011, 11:27 AM
Who is JH? James? If so, why would they look to see if there was a match to the DNA? He wasn't even there. Or am I totally off on who JH is? :waitasec:

oceanblueeyes
08-09-2011, 11:30 AM
Who is JH? James? If so, why would they look to see if there was a match to the DNA? He wasn't even there. Or am I totally off on who JH is? :waitasec:

I think the state did it to totally eliminate James as being a suspect so the defense couldn't try to falsely blame him. Good call imo.

James Henslee is Amy's husband.

IMO

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:32 AM
[LINK] (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/junior-beebe-jury-deliberations-murder)

Jurors also requested photos of the interior of the trailer...
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The judge gave jurors the transcripts but told them to rely on their memories in regards to questions about the interior of the trailer. He said no photos could be given to them that were not submitted as evidence.

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:40 AM
Looks like he gained some weight in jail.

I'd say:

http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2011-01/105277440-28090506.jpg http://images.townnews.com/heraldpalladium.com/content/articles/2011/08/04/local_news/doc4e3a9633dce78862453776.jpg

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:44 AM
verdict reached

~n/t~
08-09-2011, 11:46 AM
I think the state did it to totally eliminate James as being a suspect so the defense couldn't try to falsely blame him. Good call imo.

James Henslee is Amy's husband.

IMO

Yes I know James is Amy's husband. I agree good call to eliminate him as a suspect but there was no match to AH's DNA either (or inconclusive) to some of the evidence. What does that tell us or the jury? Was she in that trailer?

~n/t~
08-09-2011, 11:48 AM
verdict reached

Is there a live feed? TIA

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:49 AM
Is there a live feed? TIA

suppossedly, but its not pulling up for me (yet?):

http://www.woodtv.com/subindex/video/live_video

~n/t~
08-09-2011, 11:51 AM
It's not pulling up for me either.

~greeneyedgirl~
08-09-2011, 11:52 AM
Me neither !?!?

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:56 AM
Still no vid, but Beebe just entered courtroom (info via twitter), maybe they are waiting for jury/everyone to be seated?

jrb0124
08-09-2011, 11:58 AM
on the count of open murder re: TH jury finds Beebe: guilty 1st degree murder
on the count of open murder re: AH jury finds Beebe: guilty 2nd degree murder

~n/t~
08-09-2011, 12:06 PM
on the count of open murder re: TH jury finds Beebe: guilty 1st degree murder
on the count of open murder re: AH jury finds Beebe: guilty 2nd degree murder

Again, confused about the jury's decision. How can they find him guilty of first degree for TH and not AH? Heck, based on evidence sounds like it was premeditated for AH more than it was for TH. He drove to her house to get her.

In anycase, he'll be locked up for a very long time. Hope he rots in prison for what he's done to these women. Moms with kids. What a senseless crime and for what except his own ego. Sickening.