View Full Version : TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-03-2011, 06:57 PM
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing.
Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans.
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shefner
08-03-2011, 07:11 PM
Holly...I cannot forget about you. Where are you? You are missed.
iluvmua
08-03-2011, 07:39 PM
Can't believe it will be 4 months pretty soon. I just wish someone would confess or they would find her body so her parents/family, friends can have some closure.
wfgodot
08-03-2011, 07:44 PM
Missing in Tennessee - another update
Shelly Mook.......missing for 156 days
Holly Bobo........missing for 112 days
Zaylee Fryar......missing for 96 days
Gail Palmgren....missing for 91 days
marycarney
08-03-2011, 07:45 PM
This whole case is just so danged strange. It's hard to believe this has gone on for nearly four months.....
Lera213
08-04-2011, 12:22 AM
The missing RSO I'm sure has nothing to do with HB but this is big news that he is missing, that HB is missing, if you had nothing to do with HB wouldn't you want to make sure you are cleared for it and come forward to the Police?
I suppose he could be afraid he will be charged for it but still, hiding out smells of guilt.
You cannot tell me this guy doesn't know he is being looked for!
goldiegirl
08-04-2011, 12:37 AM
The missing RSO I'm sure has nothing to do with HB but this is big news that he is missing, that HB is missing, if you had nothing to do with HB wouldn't you want to make sure you are cleared for it and come forward to the Police?
I suppose he could be afraid he will be charged for it but still, hiding out smells of guilt.
You cannot tell me this guy doesn't know he is being looked for!
You have a really good point with this. The more I got to thinking about it, though, I realized that he was going to be in trouble either way, and he obviously went off the radar for a reason and hasn't wanted to check back in for fear of getting in trouble, so I guess I could see him just thinking that he might as well stay on the run even if he risks being blamed for the HB situation, because either way he'd put himself in a pretty bad position.
Lera213
08-04-2011, 01:31 AM
You have a really good point with this. The more I got to thinking about it, though, I realized that he was going to be in trouble either way, and he obviously went off the radar for a reason and hasn't wanted to check back in for fear of getting in trouble, so I guess I could see him just thinking that he might as well stay on the run even if he risks being blamed for the HB situation, because either way he'd put himself in a pretty bad position.
It is kind of stupid don't you think? Police probably would clear him if he came forward, the more he is missing with this being on national news the more he paints himself as guilty.
If you ask me this guy by not coming forward risk more then if he did come forward and as a criminal he knows this better then anyone else.
The police has down played him being involved so he would come forward and he still hasn't. This puts my hinky up. The cops gave him a clear out in so many words of "Come forward now so we can clear you and no big deal" yet he isn't. He has something to hide, or showing guilt. Does he know who did it or did he do it?
This case is so frustrating. Where are you sweet girl?
Wonless
08-04-2011, 06:11 AM
It is kind of stupid don't you think? Police probably would clear him if he came forward, the more he is missing with this being on national news the more he paints himself as guilty.
If you ask me this guy by not coming forward risk more then if he did come forward and as a criminal he knows this better then anyone else.
The police has down played him being involved so he would come forward and he still hasn't. This puts my hinky up. The cops gave him a clear out in so many words of "Come forward now so we can clear you and no big deal" yet he isn't. He has something to hide, or showing guilt. Does he know who did it or did he do it?
I disagree with the idea that this guy wouldn't be in alot of trouble, even if he had nothing to hide in regard to HB. Failure to register would almost certainly land him back in jail, so if he doesn't know anything about HB, he doesn't have a good reason at all to appear, as he would be facing the same charges regardless. Another possiblity is that this guy is on the fringe of society, ie..homeless/transiant and hasn't even heard of the HB or that RSO's from TN are being investigated.
Oriah
08-04-2011, 08:04 AM
Question:
Does anyone know what power company services Swan Johnson Rd? TIA.
ETA: the Bobo residence is on well/septic, is that correct?
mag84
08-04-2011, 09:15 AM
Originally Posted by OldSteve
A bit OT, I've been following the disappearance Amy Ahonen, and got to say, if anyone things LE is quiet or not doing enough for Holly, see what real quietness all about:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=144226&page=7
I wanted to bring this over from the last thread. I'm following it too, what there is of it to follow, and it's so disheartening. :(
OldSteve
08-04-2011, 11:30 AM
Missing in Tennessee - another update
Shelly Mook.......missing for 156 days
Holly Bobo........missing for 112 days
Zaylee Fryar......missing for 96 days
Gail Palmgren....missing for 91 days
Wow! Would have thought Shelly Mook's case would have been solved by now since it seems a less complex case - so unless LE gets a lucky break, Holly's might go on for some time - years?
I wonder if there's any sort of formula that says on the average for every month a case goes unsolved, the likely hood of solving that case becomes X number of months....
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 12:47 PM
The missing RSO I'm sure has nothing to do with HB but this is big news that he is missing, that HB is missing, if you had nothing to do with HB wouldn't you want to make sure you are cleared for it and come forward to the Police?
I suppose he could be afraid he will be charged for it but still, hiding out smells of guilt.
You cannot tell me this guy doesn't know he is being looked for!
yeah but hes been missing what 4 years? He could be in Equatorial Guinea by now.
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 01:09 PM
yeah but hes been missing what 4 years? He could be in Equatorial Guinea by now.
Or dead.
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 01:21 PM
He could be in Equatorial Guinea by now.
Still lauging at the perfectness of this sentence. Exactly!
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 02:57 PM
Ok he wasn't in Equatorial Guinea but he was in Duluth, MN...
http://www.wmctv.com/story/15210761/fugitive-wanted-for-questioning-in-bobo-case-arrested
At least they got him...
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 03:11 PM
Ok he wasn't in Equatorial Guinea but he was in Duluth, MN...
http://www.wmctv.com/story/15210761/fugitive-wanted-for-questioning-in-bobo-case-arrested
At least they got him...
Bumping this, with screaming headline, just in the off-chance....
Fugitive wanted for questioning in Bobo case arrested
BeanE
08-04-2011, 03:53 PM
@issueswithjvm Jane Velez-Mitchell
TONIGHT: Exclusive interview with Holly Bobo's family! Are police any closer to finding out what happened? 7pET/4pPT on #HLN!
1 hour ago
http://twitter.com/#!/issueswithjvm/status/99180091829002240
ETA: If you miss the show - or, like me, don't like to watch it :) - you can find the transcript tomorrow on this CNN page:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/
WillenFan21
08-04-2011, 07:36 PM
Holly's family is on JVM right now. Brother is talking said dog woke up him barking he looked out and he saw Holly in the garage with a male. He calls his mom who tells him that Holly is supposed to be in school then he saw them leaving.
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 07:48 PM
Holly's family is on JVM right now. Brother is talking said dog woke up him barking he looked out and he saw Holly in the garage with a male. He calls his mom who tells him that Holly is supposed to be in school then he saw them leaving.
Yup ANOTHER story about what happened. I was under the impression that the garage had been enclosed and turned into living space?
Plumeria5
08-04-2011, 07:50 PM
Holly's family is on JVM right now. Brother is talking said dog woke up him barking he looked out and he saw Holly in the garage with a male. He calls his mom who tells him that Holly is supposed to be in school then he saw them leaving.
Clint called his mom when he saw them in the garage not knowing one of them was Holly? I don't know how long the conversation lasted but they had to have spent some time in the garage if they were just walking towards the woods after the call. To me something just doesn't make sense. They were "casually walking into the woods". Also, Clint said it was the garage that was attached to the house.
WillenFan21
08-04-2011, 07:52 PM
Now he was just saying on JVM that he called Mom to find out who "THEY" "THE PEOPLE" in the garage were so now he's saying more than one person was in there with Holly.
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 07:52 PM
OK the dog barking alerted Clint. He saw Holly and camo man in the garage bending over as if they were examinging something (maybe a turkey?)
Clint is kinda vague but he heard voices outside (holly and stranger or two strangers?) so he calls his mom to find out who is outside...
Then he sees them walking into the woods....
Cheewawa007
08-04-2011, 07:52 PM
Did anyone watching JVM hear someone go "shhhhh" when Holly's father was responding to JVM about the other items they found besides the lunch bag?
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 07:56 PM
Now he was just saying on JVM that he called Mom to find out who "THEY" "THE PEOPLE" in the garage were so now he's saying more than one person was in there with Holly.
Well the "they" could be Holly and a stranger or two strangers... JVM said they would elaborate on that after the commercial break but now shes on with the family Pastor.
Karen: authorities cant share any information on the case as long as it is ongoing. To a mom they arent working hard enough...
The trail in the woods leads to a logging road. It is alluded to by JVM that the logging road went to where the lunch pail went?
Holly's cell phone was with her. Karen not sure if it was found or not. Not sure about pings, tracking.
BeanE
08-04-2011, 07:58 PM
What happened to the carport? And now there are 2 abductors?
Never mind. I need a drink. :drink:
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 08:01 PM
This is just too bizarre. I don't know what to believe. Someone somewhere is not telling the whole story.
Was it me or did JVM ask where the blood trail lead to and Clint said to a logging road?
Plumeria5
08-04-2011, 08:03 PM
Well the "they" could be Holly and a stranger or two strangers... JVM said they would elaborate on that after the commercial break but now shes on with the family Pastor.
Karen: authorities cant share any information on the case as long as it is ongoing. To a mom they arent working hard enough...
The trail in the woods leads to a logging road. It is alluded to by JVM that the logging road went to where the lunch pail went?
Holly's cell phone was with her. Karen not sure if it was found or not. Not sure about pings, tracking.
I think Clint meant there were 2 people and one of them was Holly but he didn't realize it was her at the time because he could only see shadows of them kneeling. So Holly was forced to kneel. Why?
BeanE
08-04-2011, 08:06 PM
If y'all hear screaming in the morning, it'll just be me reading the transcript. :drink:
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 08:09 PM
What happened to the carport? And now there are 2 abductors?
Never mind. I need a drink. :drink:
Still laughing.
I don't have a TV so I was reading along and it grows more bizarre by the post. :back:
shefner
08-04-2011, 08:12 PM
This absolutely makes no sense! This is like the 10th different story I have heard about what happened that morning.
I thought we had confirmed that the garage was closed in and made into living space...and the carport was to the rear of the home and did not have a door on it but was 3 sided. So that is not true now?
And I wonder, if Clint had already called his mom concerned about who was outside, then why didn't he go out when he saw Holly walking with someone towards the woods? I mean...he could have walked out and called, "Holly, what are you doing? I just called mom. Don't you have class today?"
I feel like I am living in "Bizarro World" when dealing with these criminal cases.
shefner
08-04-2011, 08:16 PM
I hate to post again...but dang it! Why would you pick up the phone and call your mom at work...and not just open the door and holler out? (And yes, I said "holler." I am from NC after all.) Could this just be another lie to deflect the truth? I don't get it....I really don't. Something has got to be wrong....
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 08:20 PM
Yeah this is like some alternate reality zone where people do and say the exact opposite of what any normal person would do.
If I saw my sister in the garage with someone I'd say hey whats up? If I heard people talking outside, I'd go outside to see who it was... not call someone 20 miles away to say hey who is outside the house?
Clint isnt 5 hes what 18-20? Come on... Something here isn't right.
Plumeria5
08-04-2011, 08:21 PM
I hate to post again...but dang it! Why would you pick up the phone and call your mom at work...and not just open the door and holler out? (And yes, I said "holler." I am from NC after all.) Could this just be another lie to deflect the truth? I don't get it....I really don't. Something has got to be wrong....
Clint is a good sized guy. I agree. Why didn't he yell out and say something like, "Hey! What are you doing?"
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 08:21 PM
Yeah this is like some alternate reality zone where people do and say the exact opposite of what any normal person would do.
If I saw my sister in the garage with someone I'd say hey whats up? If I heard people talking outside, I'd go outside to see who it was... not call someone 20 miles away to say hey who is outside the house?
Clint isnt 5 hes what 18-20? Come on... Something here isn't right.
NOTE: I have no idea how this posted twice with another post in between
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 08:27 PM
Clint is 25....
And I thought Mom had called him to tell him that Holly should have been at school...and now he called mom to say she was in the garage??
So confused. And they don't know if her phone was found??
When JVM asked about the "blood trail" (wherever that came from) they answered about a logging trail...they could not hear her very well, IMO...a dumb interview and a bad connection.
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 08:30 PM
Something isn't right with this interview...and it isn't Jane..
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 08:32 PM
I have not been following the case at all. IIRC, I thought the blood was found on the lawn on the grass.
What does the brother do? Is he working? going to school? The mother seemed extremely tense...unusually tense.
shefner
08-04-2011, 08:35 PM
If this abductor had realized that brother was at home and watching...and he heard Clint call out....he may have fled or got startled or scared. I feel sure it would have altered the course of events in some significant way.
I am not saying this to make anyone feel bad. Just trying to figure out all the various aspects of this story that we have heard since day one when it was reported as a "home invasion," which is a term we hear so rarely on Websleuths. Mother was so relieved on Easter Sunday...so relieved. About what? That was the day of the "big discovery," and the day we felt this case might have a good conclusion.
By golly, has anyone heard about this logging road before now? Most every logging road I have seen is a dirt path...and most every dirt path would give you a great tire pattern from any type of vehicle, like an ATV. "Blood trail?" Are you kidding me? We've had spatter and droplets and specks and drips...and now a trail? Are they re-writing this saga as we go along?!
I hate to post again...but dang it! Why would you pick up the phone and call your mom at work...and not just open the door and holler out? (And yes, I said "holler." I am from NC after all.) Could this just be another lie to deflect the truth? I don't get it....I really don't. Something has got to be wrong....
Well, where I come from (3 brothers), he called mom to tattle. About what, I dunno.
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 08:37 PM
Well if they were in the garage what about FINGERPRINTS? FOOTPRINTS?
shefner
08-04-2011, 08:41 PM
Now, how is it that the "media" can spend an hour on Warren Jeffs, whose crime has already been committed and his victims hopefully rescued, but we can only spend a short time with a bad connection to a missing persons case?
Grr....I think my hormones are in a knot. I'm ill about this whole thing...
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 08:42 PM
....still trying to figure out why the brother was calling his mom...and not 911. If he was concerned enough to call for explanation than he was concerned or had kge of something else. There is more to this story.
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 08:42 PM
If this abductor had realized that brother was at home and watching...and he heard Clint call out....he may have fled or got startled or scared. I feel sure it would have altered the course of events in some significant way.
I am not saying this to make anyone feel bad. Just trying to figure out all the various aspects of this story that we have heard since day one when it was reported as a "home invasion," which is a term we hear so rarely on Websleuths. Mother was so relieved on Easter Sunday...so relieved. About what? That was the day of the "big discovery," and the day we felt this case might have a good conclusion.
By golly, has anyone heard about this logging road before now? Most every logging road I have seen is a dirt path...and most every dirt path would give you a great tire pattern from any type of vehicle, like an ATV. "Blood trail?" Are you kidding me? We've had spatter and droplets and specks and drips...and now a trail? Are they re-writing this saga as we go along?!
Not to pick on you, but does anyone (BeanE?) have a link to mom saying she was relieved on Easter Sunday? I just don't recall that...I thought she was grateful, for the response, for the searchers, etc. and encouraged by something being found...but I never saw the word "relieved." Not saying it wasn't said, I just wanted to see the context. I know they were talking about ending regular searches after that day, so I thought maybe she felt that since they found an item, they would continue instead, which could bring some "relief" I suppose.
shefner
08-04-2011, 08:43 PM
....still trying to figure out why the brother was calling his mom...and not 911. If he was concerned enough to call for explanation than he was concerned or had kge of something else. There is more to this story.
Maybe it is indeed as Carla rendered above....he was calling to "tattle."
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 08:43 PM
Now, how is it that the "media" can spend an hour on Warren Jeffs, whose crime has already been committed and his victims hopefully rescued, but we can only spend a short time with a bad connection to a missing persons case?
Grr....I think my hormones are in a knot. I'm ill about this whole thing...
Same thing last week when JVM gave a few minutes to Michelle Le...and then right back to "All Casey-All the time"...disgusting...
shefner
08-04-2011, 08:46 PM
Not to pick on you, but does anyone (BeanE?) have a link to mom saying she was relieved on Easter Sunday? I just don't recall that...I thought she was grateful, for the response, for the searchers, etc. and encouraged by something being found...but I never saw the word "relieved." Not saying it wasn't said, I just wanted to see the context. I know they were talking about ending regular searches after that day, so I thought maybe she felt that since they found an item, they would continue instead, which could bring some "relief" I suppose.
Heck, I thought I read "relieved," but now I'm not sure what day it is. BeanE could surely find it if it was out there. I will double check too. I just remember the significance of that day. Everyone speculated they had found Holly's phone...and many speculated that the mom received a call or text from someone important to the case. Maybe I am getting facts confused with rumors? Do we know the difference between the two in this case?
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 08:48 PM
Heck, I thought I read "relieved," but now I'm not sure what day it is. BeanE could surely find it if it was out there. I will double check too. I just remember the significance of that day. Everyone speculated they had found Holly's phone...and many speculated that the mom received a call or text from someone important to the case. Maybe I am getting facts confused with rumors? Do we know the difference between the two in this case?
No, we don't, as very facts have been acknowledged as such. But I have seen the bit about her supposed "relief" all over the internet and wondered where it came from. I remember she was going to go talk to the searchers that day, and then was unable to do so and then that became a story about how she must have received a text from Holly...don't ask me how. Seeing how it took so long for her speak at long, I can well believe she was just not able to speak to them as she intended...
Peazzzer
08-04-2011, 08:48 PM
Wow, I never heard about a blood trail, a logging road, 2 people, I too was believing the garage was remodeled into a living space! Somethings not right all right, and why haven't they been on every tv / radio show??? >>>> I quit tv in July...:(
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 08:52 PM
Here's BeanE's great Case Signal (http://casesignal.wordpress.com/holly-bobo/) covering the Bobo case.
shefner
08-04-2011, 08:56 PM
Well, what I would like to know is why are we scouring through the woods in mid-spring flora when there is a trail on a logging road?
And I have looked up the word "relieved," and so far I have only found it on Topix.
MysteryAddict
08-04-2011, 09:00 PM
I have not been following the case, but like Whisperer noticed--
Something seemed not right with the interview tonight which sparked my interest.
This caused me to check in here to see if regular followers were surprised by the comments of the family.
May I ask if the brother's original story had anything to do with seeing Holly in the garage before seeing her and a man walking into the woods?? I didn't remember that at all.
Thanks.
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 09:10 PM
Maybe it is indeed as Carla rendered above....he was calling to "tattle."
Okay but...
25 yrs old and tattling? Something is not right here. What are family dynamics? I am presently trying to find info since I have not been watching it. I didn't like what I saw today. Haven't put my finger on it.
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 09:11 PM
The whole "relieved" tale, I think I remember, was associated with the rumor that the (alleged) call which led to the (alleged) discovery of Holly's cell phone was a call made directly to Mrs. Bobo herself. She was said to be "relieved" that this had occurred. It was big on Topix, and on maybe a couple of the "prayers for Holly" Facebook sites.
Not sure about the "text from Holly" part. Didn't hear that one.
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 09:14 PM
The whole "relieved" tale, I think I remember, was associated with the rumor that the (alleged) call which led to the (alleged) discovery of Holly's cell phone was a call made directly to Mrs. Bobo herself. She was said to be "relieved" that this had occurred. It was big on Topix, and on maybe a couple of the "prayers for Holly" Facebook sites.
I remember that but I believe it is totally a rumor with no basis for fact at all, so was wondering if there was any reason to believe she has ever been relieved about anything, thus far...
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 09:14 PM
This son doesn't look, act or behave like a 25 yrs old. Today was the first time I saw him. I wish I had recorded JVM. The mother appears extremely anxious. They have info they have not told yet...is the impression. No read on father as I was focused on son and mother.
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 09:21 PM
One does tend to wonder about the family dynamics.
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 09:24 PM
Here's BeanE's great Case Signal (http://casesignal.wordpress.com/holly-bobo/) covering the Bobo case.
Wow! Thank you wfgodot and BeanE. This is a wealth of information.
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 09:39 PM
I have just read on the wordpress timeline (case signal link) that the brother is a psychology student. The family dog woke him. He looked out to see what was going on from the kitchen window.He saw them heading towards the woods. He went to his sisters' car in the long driveway and saw a puddle of blood and a spilled coke can near the car. He ran back to house and called 911. He then call his mother; panicked, he ran into the woods...he did not see her and didn't see any blood there.
http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/holly-bobo-timeline/
OldSteve
08-04-2011, 09:41 PM
Well if they were in the garage what about FINGERPRINTS? FOOTPRINTS?
I have a sad feeling that the crime scene was all lost because remember it was mentioned how LE setup at/near the house and didn't go out searching for a time... doesn't anyone remember the entire area around the house being cordoned off as a crime scene?
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 09:41 PM
How many versions of that morning are out there? If the brother ran in the driveway and saw the blood and the coke can, LE would have had a crime scene and there would be no way of contaminating it. That is crazy insane.
I should just lay off these cases that are so rural. They never make any sense and they never catch the perp either....maybe I should say they never name the perp for I am sure they have a good idea of who it is.
It's always the rural areas that choose to keep everything soooo close to the vest too for fear of destroying an ongoing investigation. gettin a little tired of this song and dance routine!
When somebody sees a puddle of blood, she certainly didn't get very far on her own. I hardly see anyone wanting to take a bleeding victim in their car alive.
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 09:42 PM
Holly Bobo search joined by paragliders (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20087638-504083.html)
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The group is working directly with Bobo's family, who pointed them to areas they wanted the paragliders to focus on, such as trailers hidden back in the woods. Dubin said the paragliders recorded their aerial flights with high-definition cameras and covered about 10 square miles during the two days of searching.
The challenge was the thick foliage of the wooded areas around Bobo's home, Dubin said, but they might have better luck when the leaves start to drop in the fall. His group relies on volunteers across the country and is a nonprofit that doesn't charge for missing persons cases.
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more at CBS News/Crimesider link above
Eileen730
08-04-2011, 09:52 PM
Yeah this is like some alternate reality zone where people do and say the exact opposite of what any normal person would do.
If I saw my sister in the garage with someone I'd say hey whats up? If I heard people talking outside, I'd go outside to see who it was... not call someone 20 miles away to say hey who is outside the house?
Clint isnt 5 hes what 18-20? Come on... Something here isn't right.
He is 25 or 26.
and i think they had a lawyer there and thats where the shhhhhh came from
mountainguy777
08-04-2011, 09:52 PM
Wow....so strange.
- I kept hearing "SHHHHHH" during the interview when Dad was talking. Then, commercial, and Dad is replaced by the Pastor. ?????
- SO if Clint called mom and was asking who was outside (As if she would know from work?), at what point did mom scream about Holly being led into the woods, and why?
- when JVM asked if there was a "blood trail", mom answered no. Clint said the blood led to a logging road?
-4 months in...and the story is still not clear. I wish JVM had really pushed for some more clear answers. I wish they had come out in week ONE with an interview like this.
mountainguy777
08-04-2011, 09:55 PM
CLint said the man he saw was about 5'10'' 200 hundred pounds, and JVM kept saying "6'0" man." even after he said what he saw.
who knew?
08-04-2011, 10:02 PM
I watched the family interview on JVM tonight, and like some of the rest of you, didn't think things seemed right. I got on Websleuths to see if it was just me or if anyone else felt the same way. Glad to see I'm not totally off-base.
My question - and it may have been answered a long time ago - did Clint take a lie detector test? His story has varied a few times, and something is not sitting right with him in my eyes. Mom seemed very uncomfortable and afraid to answer questions. Also - I didn't realize Clint was 26 - I thought he was around 17 or so. Don't most 26 yr old boys live on their own - and work??? And if he saw his sister going into the woods, he didn't think something was weird about that - especially if he didn't recognize the man with her. And finally, he said he saw drops of blood in the garage - While this is possible, I know that when I walk into the garage, I rarely notice drops of anything since the cars drag things in on the tires. There's always something laying on the floor.
Clint heard voices in the garage? Did he see Holly's car in the driveway or garage? Was she dressed for walking in the woods, or for going to school? In my mind, you wouldn't wear hiking gear to school - or school clothes to walk in the woods.
I might be completely wrong, but I just haven't seen anything on the news regarding the family dynamics, le questioning family, or even much about this case.
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 10:03 PM
According to the wordpress article above, he took a poly the first day.
Today, finally, they confirmed the blood belonged to Holly.
I could have gone all day w/o hearing they have an attorney...rut roh! Not again..why would they need an attorney? If true, here we go again!
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 10:08 PM
So the brother is a psychology student. Does anyone have info on how far along he is and is there a University in the area?
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 10:10 PM
My question - and it may have been answered a long time ago - did Clint take a lie detector test?
It has never been revealed. One of the many, many, MANY things LE has not divulged. A Bobo cousin said that he had taken one and passed.
Clint heard voices in the garage? Did he see Holly's car in the driveway or garage? Was she dressed for walking in the woods, or for going to school?
(See post #77 below)
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Whisperer
08-04-2011, 10:14 PM
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You are correct wfg..
That link I posted said he took a poly the first day according to his cousin.
Holly was wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans...according to alert.
...ETA: can't find flip flops...thought I just read it but don't have link.
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 10:18 PM
CLint said the man he saw was about 5'10'' 200 hundred pounds, and JVM kept saying "6'0" man." even after he said what he saw.
The FBI missing poster lists the person seen as 5'8"-6'0" tall. The NCMEC poster, which I thought had contained similar info, now lists no height/weight; it does say that Holly "may be in the company of an adult male."
Chili Fries
08-04-2011, 10:19 PM
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My question - and it may have been answered a long time ago - did Clint take a lie detector test? <snipped>
This is the most relevant info I know about that, maybe somebody else can find more about it. This is from Nancy Grace 4/20. Deborah Norville was filling in for Nancy. She's talking to family spokesman Kevin Bromley:
NORVILLE: As you know, we have spoken off-camera with other family members, and Natalie (ph) Bobo, who`s a cousin of Holly who`s gone missing, said to us that Clint had indicated that he had taken a polygraph test and passed it. Can you confirm that?
BROMLEY: I don`t know that to be sure. Has the investigators said anything about that?
NORVILLE: Well, this is a family member who has told us, and we`re trying to confirm that with you as the family spokesperson.
BROMLEY: Right. I don`t know that to be factual. That would be something you`d have to talk with the investigators about.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html
Also, regarding the logging road...often old logging roads don't mainly have dirt surface like you would think of. Because they don't get used anymore they are covered with years of fallen leaves and pine needles and usually have fallen trees across them at different points. May make it very hard to get a good tire print if an ATV was used. But the logging road could have been just used by the perp as access to the property on foot. I have an old logging road that leads about 100 feet from the woods at the front of my property to the road (although in Holly's case this obviously depends on where Clint saw them enter the woods). Also, these old logging roads are often under the canopy of trees so they might be hid from satellite or aerial views even in winter.
There was a poster on Topix who mentioned a logging road in late April. Yeah, I know it's Topix but here is the link if anyone is interested. It's post 15.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/parsons-tn/TI7U08I5JC4PDC39V
Lovejac
08-04-2011, 10:21 PM
You are correct wfg..
That link I posted said he took a poly the first day according to his cousin.
Holly was wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans...according to alert.
...ETA: can't find flip flops...thought I just read it but don't have link.
I remember reading flip flops, too.
ETA: Can I just say how happy I am to see Holly's thread at the top of the page?!
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 10:23 PM
You are correct wfg..
That link I posted said he took a poly the first day according to his cousin.
Holly was wearing a pink shirt and light blue jeans...according to alert.
...ETA: can't find flip flops...thought I just read it but don't have link.
I remember the flip flops from someplace, can't find a link yet, either. The FBI and NCMEC posters list no footwear.
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 10:23 PM
I got the impression that when JVM asked about a "blood trail" Clint only heard the "trail" part and started going on about a logging trail...and of course both JVM and NG are famous for never following up on questions...
(Not that I have any idea where "blood trail" came, from "flecks", "drops" and "small amount" as has been printed elsewhere...)
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 10:25 PM
Flip-flops, from BeanE's Case Signal timeline (http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/holly-bobo-timeline/):
The day she went missing Bobo put on her bright pink shirt, jeans and black flip-flops and packed her lunch for another day of nursing school at the nearby UT-Martin campus.
Eileen730
08-04-2011, 10:27 PM
So the brother is a psychology student. Does anyone have info on how far along he is and is there a University in the area?
Hes 25 shouldnt he be done school?
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 10:27 PM
Here's BeanE's great Case Signal (http://casesignal.wordpress.com/holly-bobo/) covering the Bobo case.
*bumping*
Such a good reference..
mountainguy777
08-04-2011, 10:29 PM
I know it's not a popular thing to say around here, but everytime I hear the family speak, and things change.....I focus on thier behavior....and I wonder.....
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 10:30 PM
Hes 25 shouldnt he be done school?
:dunno:
Whisperer
08-04-2011, 10:33 PM
I know it's not a popular thing to say around here, but everytime I hear the family speak, and things change.....I focus on thier behavior....and I wonder.....
I hear ya! I understand what you mean.
Any confirmation if the family has an attorney?
BeanE
08-04-2011, 10:37 PM
All I have to say is - I'm really gonna miss that carport.
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 10:40 PM
I think it past time that the Bobo family should worry about what LE thinks and just tell it like it is. They seem to be holding back and at this point, I can think of no good reason to be doing so. I think they get mixed up by certain questions because they have been told the media has no business knowing, etc...and it comes out all jumbled.
That said, I don't really understand some of the basic changes I've heard, such as who called who, who placed 911 calls and where Holly was actually first seen. Those things should not change.
BeanE
08-04-2011, 10:42 PM
I think we need to make a list of what Karen, Clint, and Dana have each said. What they've said directly, picking it out of videos - and not what anybody else - reporters, LE, anybody - has said they've said.
BeanE
08-04-2011, 10:43 PM
After that, I don't have a clue right now what we should do. :floorlaugh:
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 10:43 PM
Any confirmation if the family has an attorney?
I've never seen anything in MSM. Or anywhere really.
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 10:47 PM
I think we need to make a list of what Karen, Clint, and Dana have each said. What they've said directly, picking it out of videos - and not what anybody else - reporters, LE, anybody - has said they've said.
We were kinda waiting for you to produce this in easy-to-follow format for boneheads like me :)
Chili Fries
08-04-2011, 10:52 PM
I really don't think Clint is involved.
Do we know when Holly's parents left the house that morning? I know Holly was up at 4:30 AM studying. Clint would need time to hurt Holly, figure out what he was going to do and then go on a 16 mile roundtrip journey to drop off the lunchpurse as a diversion. Police were at the house at about 8:00. Seems implausible to me.
Darcyline
08-04-2011, 10:53 PM
I read about this being similar to the LS case so I tried to read through most of the topics. I don't think it is related to LS, but wow this is a frustrating case. I must have scanned through at least 20 topics discussing what happened and I still don't know how that morning went down. So, the brother sees her with an adult male in the carport/garage...adult male does something that makes Holly bleed and drop her coke...Holly and adult male walk away, but she ISN'T being dragged...when this is happening Clint calls his mom and says hey, Holly is with some guy and somehow the Mom knows it isn't the boyfriend and starts freaking...somewhere in there and supposedly after they walk away a random neighbor hears screaming and calls 911 and/or the Mom?
So. Many. Questions.
shefner
08-04-2011, 11:11 PM
This much I know: If the family keeps talking, then this case will stay on top of the threads page!
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 11:14 PM
Ok another point... If Clint saw them in the garage how far away was he? The original story had him catching a glimpse of camo man from a distance out in the yard. So, if they are in the garage, how did he see camo man? I assume he went to the door to the garage and looked in. How big is a garage? Our two car garage is what 20 feet square? Even if holly and camo man were at the far side they wouldn't be that far away! Something just isn't right.
Part of me wants to say Clint knew who this person was, and that's why he called his mom and perhaps that's why she seemed to get so emotional before anyone knew what happened. But then I can't imagine having an idea who the person was, yet having the basically useless description for public consumption.
Oddly this version of events does remind me of original, loose reporting which mentioned a confrontation in the garage, before that story was pooh poohed.
shefner
08-04-2011, 11:18 PM
Perhaps because the "garage" is attached, it was initially called a "home invasion?"
I need to go back and view the house again.
MsFacetious
08-04-2011, 11:18 PM
I think we need to make a list of what Karen, Clint, and Dana have each said. What they've said directly, picking it out of videos - and not what anybody else - reporters, LE, anybody - has said they've said.
Well THAT shouldn't take very long! :banghead:
This absolutely makes no sense! This is like the 10th different story I have heard about what happened that morning.
I thought we had confirmed that the garage was closed in and made into living space...and the carport was to the rear of the home and did not have a door on it but was 3 sided. So that is not true now?
And I wonder, if Clint had already called his mom concerned about who was outside, then why didn't he go out when he saw Holly walking with someone towards the woods? I mean...he could have walked out and called, "Holly, what are you doing? I just called mom. Don't you have class today?"
I feel like I am living in "Bizarro World" when dealing with these criminal cases.
Why would you call your mother if you hear voices outside to begin with?
What is she going to do... say "Oh yes, I invited some people over to talk outside our house." :waitasec:
This isn't like when I woke up and there was a strange vehicle parked in our driveway... so I called my Dad and verified he knew about it.
Or when I saw the very drunk guy opening car doors, finding hornet's nests... and called my Dad to ask him if he wanted me to call the cops or videotape him. :floorlaugh:
Calling your Mom because you hear people outside (who may or may not be your sister) makes no sense to me.
And I obviously, don't do things like most typical people would. :crazy:
Darcyline
08-04-2011, 11:23 PM
I don't really get why he would call his mom if he just saw Holly talking to a guy anyway. Would it be very strange for a neighbor or friend or boyfriend to be talking to her?
Carla Lashelle
08-04-2011, 11:27 PM
I don't really get why he would call his mom if he just saw Holly talking to a guy anyway. Would it be very strange for a neighbor or friend or boyfriend to be talking to her?
Well like I figured he's not 5 just say hey what's up. If there's people in the garage or talking outside GO LOOK. I don't get it. I will be upstairs and hear stuff downstairs and I go see what it is ... It never occurred to me to call someone XX miles away to ask them.
My brain hurts :banghead:
cluciano63
08-04-2011, 11:35 PM
If there was reason enough to be concerned to call mom, even more reason to get down there and ask Holly if she is okay, IMO...
shefner
08-04-2011, 11:39 PM
Well, if he saw two people he wasn't sure about talking in the garage, he might call his mom and say, "Did you or dad ask some guys to come over here and do some work in the garage today? Holly's car is still here...is she not in school?"
I have been back to BeanE's Case Signal (which is magnificent, by the way) and looked at several views of the Bobo home. I just can't figure out where the garage is located. In the aerial view, I do see the "carport" or what I think is the carport to back of the home, near the woods. That detached building is where I assumed Holly parked and was taken that fateful morning. But Clint now says it was the garage attached to the home...and I can't find where that is.
Could it be that they know who the abductor is, but he is from a prominent family who is very protective of Sweet Little Abductor Boy, and LE can't find enough evidence against him....so they are waiting until he makes a big mistake or they have better facts? I don't know...it's late and I'm confused. There has to be an answer....somewhere.
Rallihanna
08-04-2011, 11:43 PM
A lot of people have been very critical of LE on this case - but what if they also have received these multiple story versions? no wonder they haven't gotten anywhere...
wfgodot
08-04-2011, 11:49 PM
I agree on the possible multiple versions being an impediment to LE.
But the TBI has not impressed me at all in its ability to work a case.
Wonless
08-05-2011, 12:12 AM
I think we need to make a list of what Karen, Clint, and Dana have each said. What they've said directly, picking it out of videos - and not what anybody else - reporters, LE, anybody - has said they've said.
Ok, I can't find the link to the video but back in April does anyone remember when, I think it was the sheriff or a TBI spokesman, was commenting about the rumor that HB was "dragged" into the woods, and he gave CB's account of her being turned and lead away with like she had a straight, stiff arm down to her side, and the perp, was holding it. The guy even demonstrated the position.. This was LE version of CB's story, and it was intended to clear up the "dragged" rumor. I wish I could post it to refresh memories. Anyway...if that version of events is true..I still don't think CB's story has changed. I mean he has never told the story before tonight right, only alluded to the events.
I think CB's story has to start from tonight.
Still I have to agree with yall, I mean the more you look at it the more CB looks like a total "horses behind" in the way he handled things. I think this might be a source of the Mom's axietity.
Also, I think that another aspect to this is that its obvious to me that either CB is not real bright or maybe has ADHD or something, his anwsers are not the anwsers to the questions..I think it may be just him. Anyone else thinking that?
OldSteve
08-05-2011, 12:33 AM
Even though stories may change a bit, the media may misreport some things, and in hindsight family members may have wished they could have done things differently - and of course we love to dissect every statement the family makes - when you compare what LE was given in this case to what they get most other missing person's cases ... the ball was really in LE's court once it was reported Holly was taken.
T4Tide
08-05-2011, 12:35 AM
I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Why is no one saying they called Holly?? We all know she had a phone. Teens and their phones are inseparable. So why didn't CB call Holly instead of mom? Did mom then try to call Holly? I would give anything to see phone records from that morning. Did anyone call Holly? At what point did mom call dad? Did Dad try to call Holly? Just imagining my own family member missing... but even when my DH is late coming home from work, I blow up his phone trying to get on touch with him.
I've heard reports of CB calling mom. Mom calling 911, neighbors calling 911, mom talking to DS, etc....but I've never heard one report of someone saying they tried to call Holly. Did I miss this somewhere?
MOO, but the only reason I wouldn't call someone that I was searching for is because I knew they wouldn't answer, they didn't have their phone, etc. I wonder why LE hasn't released info about Holly's phone activity? I would just love to know who all tried to call her, and the last call/text made from her phone and what times.
sumzero
08-05-2011, 01:07 AM
I think we can safely assume that mom, dad, brother, boyfriend -- and maybe others -- tried to call Holly. I can't imagine that the immediate and extensive search for her would have happened without someone first verifying that Holly could not be contacted by phone. It might be so obvious that nobody -- at least so far -- has thought to even mention it.
cluciano63
08-05-2011, 01:20 AM
I wish someone competent, preferably someone from WS, could interview the Bobos. JVM is hopeless, I guess she means well, but she never follows up if they answer a different question from what she asked, and then the lousy phone connections, geez, this is the 21st century isn't it? Good grief...
Why can't an interviewer ask them to go step by step as to what happened that morning? I am sure they (the family) has done it in their minds a thousand times, but the questions they are asked are always out of sequence and disjointed, and not helping in what may be one of the most CONFUSING cases I have ever encountered.
goldiegirl
08-05-2011, 02:02 AM
Sorry if this has still been addressed - I was away from the comp yesterday and have spent a while catching up but need to go to bed and still have page I haven't read, but has the transcript been released yet from JVM? I can't find it. I can't believe I missed that appearance! That'll teach me not to be away from WS for a day : )
BeanE
08-05-2011, 02:16 AM
Transcript - Jane Velez Mitchell interviews Holly Bobo's Family
Thursday August 4 2011
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html
Darcyline
08-05-2011, 02:30 AM
Thank you for the transcript. I am even more confused now. So, he sees Holly and who he thinks is Drew kneeling in the garage then calls his mom semi-casually (from his own words?) talking to her about Holly and Drew. Then after all this he sees them walking and Holly isn't being forced at least by the person physically.
Why would he have her kneeling? Why take that long to get her out of there? Why would she go with him? Did he threaten her family? Did they chat beforehand? Did he hit her and that is why they were on the ground?
Hippy Chick
08-05-2011, 02:31 AM
I have followed this case from the beginning just like all of you and that interview tonight was the strangest thing I have ever saw, mom was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. I mean I can understand being nervous but she seemed more nervous than most to me. And the brother I don't know he seemed a little slow or maybe sedated a bit. Then after commercial dad was gone and pastor was there. The brother said he saw them kneeling in the garage and he calls his mom and then sees her walk into the woods. Why didn't he look him self amd not call mom that was 20 miles away. Mom also said she didn't think the SO had anything to do with it. Then they say they don't have any idea what happened. I think they have an idea and a good one probably. I am more confused after this interview than I was before.
goldiegirl
08-05-2011, 02:40 AM
Thank you for the transcript, BeanE! I thought I was blind, but it looks like it was hidden under the same link as the Warren Jeffs stuff.
Telicity
08-05-2011, 02:41 AM
I think ... that it isn't a matter of trying to dissect what the family says, so much as it is trying to stretch things and find explanations for what they say. They are victims, we need to give them the benefit of the doubt. We must.
I know we aren't really allowed to focus on the family, and I don't mean to, but how many cases have there been (that we can access and read about, of course) where there have been multiple versions of the same story reported through whatever means, and it turned out that everything wasn't all hinky?
From what I can think of, that's pretty much a major hallmark of hink. This whole thing from day one has sounded to me like a bunch of stretching, pushing and pulling to make a believable abductor story.
My gut tells me to go along with what we are supposed to here: take the word of the single eyewitness as absolute truth. But my rational side can't help but ask a million questions, and every question that gets "answered" brings about ten more. I was so pleased to see the family speak finally. I watched and went "oh good. I can relax now and stop being so critical, they've finally cleared all this stuff up." And now I am not so sure.
This is a very unusual case. Perhaps the circumstances are making everything look a certain way that is not the case. But danged if I can think of any other recent case where everything turned out hunky-dory when there was so much misinformation abounding. Regardless of what the situation is, who is innocent, etc. they seriously NEED to come clean here. There is clearly something amiss, information they are not revealing, who knows. Maybe it's even as simple as them being afraid of someone :( .
wanttohelp
08-05-2011, 02:42 AM
and what about this
Sheriff Wyatt: “It was a neighbor that lives just up the road there from the house, and didn’t see it, but heard the screams of the young lady as she was leaving the house.”
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 02:43 AM
I think we need to make a list of what Karen, Clint, and Dana have each said. What they've said directly, picking it out of videos - and not what anybody else - reporters, LE, anybody - has said they've said.
I have been going on and on about this for awhile now, as I know you are fully aware.
And now you want to discuss it! :pullhair:
Look at my posts, if you dare! I have a lot of quotes from articles and paraphrases and direct quotes from videos of what the family has been saying compared to LE versions.
concentric
08-05-2011, 02:53 AM
OK, from the transcript, the brother sees the "silhouette." That, to me means that he saw the forms of Holly and a guy either through a material like a somewhat transparent tarp, say a cloth carport, or he saw the forms of Holly and the guy cast onto an opposite wall or pavement, or there was a window from the house where you could see into the carport. I think he meant carport when he said garage. There had to be either the sun or another light source projecting those shadows.
If he meant the garage that was made into a room, then he wouldn't have said garage, right?
Hippy Chick
08-05-2011, 02:56 AM
Did any one get the impression that the brother may be slow or was it just me?
concentric
08-05-2011, 02:57 AM
And, that is certainly interesting that when I asked if there were any logging roads near the house in one of the first threads, it seems to be the case.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 03:02 AM
I have been going on and on about this for awhile now, as I know you are fully aware.
And now you want to discuss it! :pullhair:
Look at my posts, if you dare! I have a lot of quotes from articles and paraphrases and direct quotes from videos of what the family has been saying compared to LE versions.
Huh? No, I wasn't aware, Frog.
I didn't say anything about discussing. I said - as you quoted - that I think we need to put together lists of what each family member has said directly, with quotes from videos. Not what others have said, and certainly not paraphrasing. I'm not interested in comparing those lists to what LE - or anyone else - has said at this time.
I said after that (my next post) I don't know what to do.
If you already made those lists, no, I haven't seen them, and please, by all means post them again so I don't duplicate your efforts.
Darcyline
08-05-2011, 03:04 AM
I don't think Clint seems slow. He seems sort of country and people from the country know what I mean. But it would be a mistake to think that country=slow.
I don't even really find the family as suspect as others. I do feel like there is something not being said that would make everything make sense. I cannot really put my finger on a theory of what though. :waitasec:
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 03:04 AM
I think ... that it isn't a matter of trying to dissect what the family says, so much as it is trying to stretch things and find explanations for what they say. They are victims, we need to give them the benefit of the doubt. We must.
I know we aren't really allowed to focus on the family, and I don't mean to, but how many cases have there been (that we can access and read about, of course) where there have been multiple versions of the same story reported through whatever means, and it turned out that everything wasn't all hinky?
From what I can think of, that's pretty much a major hallmark of hink. This whole thing from day one has sounded to me like a bunch of stretching, pushing and pulling to make a believable abductor story.
My gut tells me to go along with what we are supposed to here: take the word of the single eyewitness as absolute truth. But my rational side can't help but ask a million questions, and every question that gets "answered" brings about ten more. I was so pleased to see the family speak finally. I watched and went "oh good. I can relax now and stop being so critical, they've finally cleared all this stuff up." And now I am not so sure.
This is a very unusual case. Perhaps the circumstances are making everything look a certain way that is not the case. But danged if I can think of any other recent case where everything turned out hunky-dory when there was so much misinformation abounding. Regardless of what the situation is, who is innocent, etc. they seriously NEED to come clean here. There is clearly something amiss, information they are not revealing, who knows. Maybe it's even as simple as them being afraid of someone :( .
Lol ya, the truth has been stretched in this story like a stretch armstrong doll. It just keeps getting more and more confusing. I want to take CB word as 100% truth but his versions of the story keep getting added too, in a calculated way. CB and KB are confusing me with this phone call stuff, why can't they just give a direct timeline. She calls him, he calls her, which is it? Also, I am not a huge fan of this evasion from the family. It is becoming clear why they were not doing any interviews, almost 4 months later and the story cannot be straightened out still? Also, the misinformation in this case is seemingly coming from every direction, the family, media and LE. It is mind boggling, to say the least.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 03:10 AM
I don't think Clint seems slow. He seems sort of country and people from the country know what I mean. But it would be a mistake to think that country=slow.
I don't even really find the family as suspect as others. I do feel like there is something not being said that would make everything make sense. I cannot really put my finger on a theory of what though. :waitasec:
Clint hasn't struck me as slow. None of them have struck me as anything but traumatized, which is certainly understandable.
I don't think any of them were involved in any way in Holly's disappearance.
I think what they say can be analyzed in terms of trying to construct a timeline, and reconstruct what happened, and I think it can be done without bashing any of the family members or accusing them of any involvement.
It's my understanding that that is within the rules and guidelines of this forum, but mods, please correct me if my understanding is inaccurate.
concentric
08-05-2011, 03:11 AM
The two of them kneeling, could have been that he startled her, she dropped what she was carrying, he then pulled a weapon on her and told her to pick it up, and they both bent down to pick up the stuff.
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 03:12 AM
Huh? No, I wasn't aware, Frog.
I didn't say anything about discussing. I said - as you quoted - that I think we need to put together lists of what each family member has said directly, with quotes from videos. Not what others have said, and certainly not paraphrasing. I'm not interested in comparing those lists to what LE - or anyone else - has said at this time.
I said after that (my next post) I don't know what to do.
If you already made those lists, no, I haven't seen them, and please, by all means post them again so I don't duplicate your efforts.
Here is part of one of my posts-
Maybe we could actually discuss reasons that information has not always been accurate in this case? Why the family is directly contradicting press releases? One piece of inaccurate info is forgivable, 4 months worth is a pattern.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-...ry?id=13389409
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14...decatur-county
"What we believe, and I'll tell you he actually had an arm holding her and so we feel that she knew that she was in fear of her life so she was complying with his commands," he told a news conference. John Mehr, spokesman for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. - CB, the supposed eye witness, says he believes this is not true
Her brother, said Mehr, "had reasons to believe [the man] was not an attacker," and did not call 911 until he saw blood outside. - Bobo family said this is not true according to their last article/interview, CB never called 911 and blood was spotted when people were gathered on the driveway, according to HB father
The officer said that neither Bobo's brother nor her boyfriend were suspects. "We are confident of that," he said. - Later changed to nobody has been cleared
Helm (TBI spokesperson) said the crime lab is still analyzing blood found in a carport at the Bobo home. She said they believe it either belongs to Bobo or her abductor. - HB father says blood was found on the driveway when people were gathered waiting to search.
Chili Fries
08-05-2011, 03:14 AM
Transcript - Jane Velez Mitchell interviews Holly Bobo's Family
Thursday August 4 2011
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html
I don't see what's weird about this. Clint hears and sees two people in the garage. He can't make out who they are so he calls his mom to find out if they were people who were supposed to be at the house. He probably thought they could be people who were going to work on the house or something like that but he just wanted to make sure.
He calls his mom to find out and she tells him Holly should still be at home so he realizes it's Holly and somebody else. His obvious conclusion is that her boyfriend has stopped by. He then looks outside and sees her just walking towards the woods and the logging road with a guy wearing camo, who he still figures is her boyfriend.
I don't see anything weird or suspicious in that at all.
I would have liked JVM to go into the 911 calls but everything he said tonight makes sense to me.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 03:15 AM
The two of them kneeling, could have been that he startled her, she dropped what she was carrying, he then pulled a weapon on her and told her to pick it up, and they both bent down to pick up the stuff.
Or if he punched her in the nose, and she dropped to her knees, shocked and dizzy - also dropping her belongings in the process - and he knelt to quick pick things up and tell her she was going to have to get up and go with him or else.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 03:24 AM
Oriah - info for you and our SARs:
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did the blood trail lead anywhere?
K. BOBO: No.
C. BOBO: The trail in the woods leads to a logging road.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a logging road, is that what you said?
C. BOBO: Right.
K. BOBO (BeanE note - I think this is VM rather than KB speaking): So she goes into this logging road, and then eight miles away her lunch pail shows up. What do you make of that, Karen? What do you make of the lunch pail showing up eight miles away from the home? That`s a long distance to walk, that would have to involve some kind of vehicle, I would think. Do they have any vehicle they`re looking for, Karen?
K. BOBO: As far as I know, if they do, I`m not sure what kind of vehicle that is. But, yes, I do believe a vehicle was involved.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you would think that where they found the lunch pail, they would have some kind of tire tracks or something. What about -- her cell phone was left at home?
K. BOBO: No, she had her cell phone with her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did they ever find it?
K. BOBO: I`m not sure about that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Have they been able to track it, the pings?
K. BOBO: I`m not sure about any of that?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html
concentric
08-05-2011, 03:33 AM
Or if he punched her in the nose, and she dropped to her knees, shocked and dizzy - also dropping her belongings in the process - and he knelt to quick pick things up and tell her she was going to have to get up and go with him or else.
I've always pictured it that he grabbed her in a choke hold from behind with a knife against her neck, and she's dropped the stuff. So now with this new info., I could see it like he tells her kneel down and retrieve the stuff, which they both do in tandem because he's connected to her.
evelyn24
08-05-2011, 03:34 AM
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So where did you find the blood?
C. BOBO: It was in the garage, under where I saw the silhouette of them kneeled down in the garage.
(later)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now I want to go to Holly Bobo`s father, Mr. Bobo, your daughter`s lunch pack or lunch bag was found eight miles away in the woods. What about the blood? Have authorities told you that the blood is that of your daughter? And what do you make of the lunch pack being found eight miles away?
D. BOBO: Yes, they did tell us -- after a few weeks they did tell us that that blood did belong to our daughter. And as far as the lunch bag found that far away and some more stuff, I believe that was just more likely thrown out for a decoy. Might be to lead them away from where that really went, maybe.
Clint said he saw two silhouettes in the garage where the blood was identified as Holly's later by LE to the family. The confusing part is CB mentions seeing Holly and camo man after the garage walking into the woods; that's the last he saw Holly. He described them as casually walking side by side, but if Holly was hurt in the garage wouldn't she have ran, screamed, or wouldn't her body language show she wasn't with someone friendly strolling into the woods? She had to know her brother was still in the house and would come if she screamed loud and long enough.
evelyn24
08-05-2011, 03:36 AM
I've always pictured it that he grabbed her in a choke hold from behind with knife against her neck, and she's dropped the stuff. So now with this new info., I could see it like he tells her kneel down and retrieve the stuff, which they both do in tandem because he's connected to her.
How do you go from a violent confrontation in the garage to them strolling side by side in the woods like nothing happened? At least according to Clint Bobo's interview to local media in the last two weeks. He was not alarmed at the sight of Holly and camo man walking into the woods together because he said they were side by side and walking into the woods like no big deal.
Even though now we find out he saw them together bent over in the garage and called his mom.
idk.
concentric
08-05-2011, 03:39 AM
I don't think she could have screamed cause he probably had her in a choke hold initially and could have knicked her with the knife (there's the blood). Then he tells her he doesn't want to hurt her more and says something like calmly walk out (from the carport) with me and don't scream or worse will happen.
evelyn24
08-05-2011, 03:44 AM
The mom Karen Bobo said she got a call from a neighbor who heard screams coming from their residence or at least near their home and called her at school. So either the neighbor heard something else and it was just a coincidence Holly was being hurt/abducted at the same time the neighbor heard this, or it was Holly screaming.
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 03:44 AM
C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were. JVM INTERVIEW EXCERPT
So can he identify the voice (s) (was Holly's one of the voices he heard)? Was it raised, whispering, casual? If there was blood in the garage then obviously something happened before that point. If he could hear them, then when he called his mom could the abducter and Holly hear Clint?
If I read that transcript correctly the blood in carport was Holly's.... two figures bent over something large....like a turkey (he says)...or a person? Like Holly? Was a second person involved? Was it Holly walking into the woods? How long after they were crouched in the CP did he see "them" walking into the woods? Questions, Questions, Questons.... Seriously gets more and more fishy.
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 03:47 AM
I don't see what's weird about this. Clint hears and sees two people in the garage. He can't make out who they are so he calls his mom to find out if they were people who were supposed to be at the house. He probably thought they could be people who were going to work on the house or something like that but he just wanted to make sure.
He calls his mom to find out and she tells him Holly should still be at home so he realizes it's Holly and somebody else. His obvious conclusion is that her boyfriend has stopped by. He then looks outside and sees her just walking towards the woods and the logging road with a guy wearing camo, who he still figures is her boyfriend.
I don't see anything weird or suspicious in that at all.
I would have liked JVM to go into the 911 calls but everything he said tonight makes sense to me.
What I find suspicious is why it took 4 months to tell this version of the story, yes another version IMO. The info given by the family in this interview is still missing pieces to the story and why was this info being guarded for so long? There is nothing there that is telling, except to say HB was kneeling in the garage with her abductor. It makes the story more difficult in some ways because if HB is attacked in a way that draws blood while they are in the garage, it is puzzling she would then casually walk off with a stranger. There is so much info still being withheld, like does CB think that HB and her abductor saw him when he saw them? If HB was in trouble and saw CB, I find it hard to believe she wouldn't yell for him to grab a gun. If she wasn't comfortable with this person in camo, why did she not yell anyway? Sure it is possible she walked away with him if he threatened her with a weapon, but it is puzzling she didn't put up any resistance, nowhere better to make your stand than at home. Also, if CB is the one who calls KB after the garage sighting, why in the last article/interview does KB say that a neighbor heard screams and the neighbor called her school and a secretary informed her, then KB calls CB. Also it is VERY odd in this version that CB has to call KB to see what is going on with HB, when CB now says he saw her in the garage. Why not just walk the 20 feet or however far and see for himself? This does not add up at all and adds to the mystery.
concentric
08-05-2011, 03:50 AM
I think the scream came later when they were near or in the woods a ways off, and she realized he was going to bind her with duct tape.
evelyn24
08-05-2011, 03:53 AM
C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were. JVM INTERVIEW EXCERPT
So can he identify the voice (s) (was Holly's one of the voices he heard)? Was it raised, whispering, casual? If there was blood in the garage then obviously something happened before that point. If he could hear them, then when he called his mom could the abducter and Holly hear Clint?
If I read that transcript correctly the blood in carport was Holly's.... two figures bent over something large....like a turkey (he says)...or a person? Like Holly? Was a second person involved? Was it Holly walking into the woods? How long after they were crouched in the CP did he see "them" walking into the woods? Questions, Questions, Questons.... Seriously gets more and more fishy.
Also, to go from seeing only silhouettes in the garage, and not being able to even recognize one as your own sister, to then saying the man in the garage had on camo so you thought it was Holly's bf Drew showing Holly a turkey he shot and killed and that's why you ignored it? Yet that is where Holly's blood is found according to Dana Bobo.
Idk
concentric
08-05-2011, 03:56 AM
A silhouette by definition is a shadow projected onto a lighter surface.
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 04:03 AM
I've always pictured it that he grabbed her in a choke hold from behind with a knife against her neck, and she's dropped the stuff. So now with this new info., I could see it like he tells her kneel down and retrieve the stuff, which they both do in tandem because he's connected to her.
The problem I have with thinking down this path, according to versions we have been told, is CB says he saw HB and her abductor not once, but twice (garage and walking toward woods) and both times must of appeared seemingly innocent. If one silhouette is attacking the other or hovering over the other in an aggressive way, that would be obvious IMO. The same as if they were walking away together, walking casually together and being forced to walk would look a bit different. The other problem is after two seemingly innocent sightings, CB claimed in the last article that he now knows she was threatened and led into the woods against her will. How does he know this, did the abductor tell him after the fact? These versions of the story do not jive with me.
Darcyline
08-05-2011, 04:04 AM
I still feel like her body language would have been really obvious if a large man did something to make her bleed just moments earlier. But, maybe Clint just glanced at them and couldn't read how tense she must have been? But, he could make out clothing, the fact that Holly wasn't being physically held or led at this point, and a basic body shape/size/height? But then again he is a man so maybe body language isn't a detail that would be noticed while camo would be?
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 04:04 AM
Also, to go from seeing only silhouettes in the garage, and not being able to even recognize one as your own sister, to then saying the man in the garage had on camo so you thought it was Holly's bf Drew showing Holly a turkey he shot and killed and that's why you ignored it? Yet that is where Holly's blood is found according to Dana Bobo.
Idk
Exactly. Wild Turkey's are huge and he stated something about thinking it was a turkey several times. I would also think he would recognize his sisters voice, even if it was whispered. Leads me to believe if he had to call his mom to ask her then it wasnt his sisters voice he heard. I really am wondering now if more than one person was involved. If only one was involved.....what was the large object between them that they were hunched over? If the blood was found there in the spot they were hunched over...as you stated...it would have had to have been Holly. So who else/or was someone else was there?
concentric
08-05-2011, 04:07 AM
I'm just giving what I think could have been the scenario to explain what Clint described.
You don't have to agree. But please don't attack me for having an opinion. We all garner ideas from our own experiences, what we've studied, etc. My own mother was attacked from behind by a guy who had his hand over her mouth and a knife held to her. I've been a victim myself, as have many other people here.
concentric
08-05-2011, 04:11 AM
How do you see clothes from a silhouette? It's a black body form. Clint probably described the guy's camo from seeing them as they exited the garage (carport).
Darcyline
08-05-2011, 04:17 AM
I don't think anyone is "attacking" anyone-just a bunch of confused people trying to work out in our heads what actually happened going from what they have said. I think we are all imagining something slightly different. If you are referring the camo comment to me that is what I meant-he sees them walking and can make out clothing, but seems to think Holly was casually walking with her boyfriend? It is just hard for me to imagine her not being tense, arms crossed, crying, shaking, veering or facing away from him, SOMETHING noticeable being wrong. But, if it was just a quick glance maybe you would see something like camo and them not touching, but not bodily cues like crying or arms crossed or being tense. I wish they would do a reenactment and I am only halfway joking with that.
I think a third person being there is interesting too, but how would Clint miss a third person walking away?
concentric
08-05-2011, 04:27 AM
Like you said, sometimes tenseness cannot be read. It's only MO, if the attacker informed the victim in no uncertain terms that if she were to act panicked, run or scream, he would kill her (this while in the garage/carport).
concentric
08-05-2011, 04:35 AM
[QUOTE=Frogzilla;6993746] If one silhouette is attacking the other or hovering over the other in an aggressive way, that would be obvious IMO.
I disagree from the standpoint that you wouldn't be able to distinguish exactly what's going on from shadow figures or silhouettes, especially since in his perception he had already convinced himself that the guy was probably her boyfriend.
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 04:39 AM
Maybe, if there were a 3rd person, they exited a different way? or went first and was hidden by the trees when CB looked out? or followed up the rear to make sure no one would follow them. I wish we could get an actual picture/image out of the window he supposidly saw everything from. I think this would tell a whole lot. Depending on how much area he could see, he may be able to miss an additional person.
katydid23
08-05-2011, 04:44 AM
I have to say that watching this interview was eerie and creepy. It did not ring true to me.
Why did he call his mom on the phone to ask HER who the voices were outside the house?
How would she know that? She was not home. He was home, and supposedly his dog was barking like crazy too , SO WHY DIDN"T HE GO AND SEE WHO WAS TALKING ? I do not get this at all.
My jaw was on the floor by the end of the show. Up until tonight, I accepted everything the family had said from the start. But something is just not right imo. Why wasn't she screaming and fighting in the garage ? He heard voices talking outside the house and had time to call his mom and ask her about it? But never thought to step outside and actually check on his sister? He sees her walking with someone out to the woods, even though he knows she was on her way to school---and doesn't yell out- Hey Sis, Wassup?
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 04:47 AM
[QUOTE=Frogzilla;6993746] If one silhouette is attacking the other or hovering over the other in an aggressive way, that would be obvious IMO.
I disagree from the standpoint that you wouldn't be able to distinguish exactly what's going on from shadow figures or silhouettes, especially since in his perception he had already convinced himself that the guy was probably her boyfriend.
He claims he could tell they were kneeling and he could distinguish two silhouettes. Next time you see your shadow, stop and put both hands out a foot apart. Then put both of your hands together. Then put both of your hands together like they are struggling. There is a difference.
Darcyline
08-05-2011, 04:49 AM
Two more questions that may help me develop my own scenario-firstly, can someone clarify whether the Mom started to panic with the initial phone call from Clint that we are discussing now? Secondly, do we generally believe Holly would have known the person or not?
Money Girl
08-05-2011, 04:55 AM
In my own humble opinion, I have always been suspicious of CB and I am even moreso now. Especially, since it is obvious that LE is not providing details to the family.
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 04:59 AM
Two more questions that may help me develop my own scenario-firstly, can someone clarify whether the Mom started to panic with the initial phone call from Clint that we are discussing now? Secondly, do we generally believe Holly would have known the person or not?
In the article/interview given before this one, KB said that "motherly instinct" told her that something was very wrong when she was told of what possibly happened. IMO it is up for debate as to whether CB calls KB, or the neighbor hears screaming and calls KB who then calls CB. If CB calls KB at school, and KB is immediately worried and left work asap, how does she get the call at work from the neighbor hearing screams? We have been told both versions from the family.
I believe HB was familiar with her abductor for reasons I have stated before, but you will find people who believe it was a stranger/predator. Cannot discount many theories with the info we have been given.
July 22- http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly-bobos-family-recounts-the-day-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story?page=2
A neighbor had apparently heard screams coming from the house and alerted the school where Karen Bobo works.
“Motherly instinct. I knew something was wrong as soon as the secretary came to the cafeteria and told me,” she said.
Four 911 calls were made: one from the school, one from the neighbor, and two from Karen Bobo herself.
She also called Clint at home. He came to realize the man he saw with Holly was not her boyfriend.
“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 05:02 AM
Two more questions that may help me develop my own scenario-firstly, can someone clarify whether the Mom started to panic with the initial phone call from Clint that we are discussing now? Secondly, do we generally believe Holly would have known the person or not?
From what I remember reading it was when the neighbor called at school. Before this interview last night, I didn't even know that CB had called KB prior to HB going mssing. I also vaguely remember another interview or comment from KB a little while back that kept stating she had spoken to HB boyfriend earlier so she knew they were not together.... could this be because of CB's call to KB?
katydid23
08-05-2011, 05:05 AM
I don't think she could have screamed cause he probably had her in a choke hold initially and could have knicked her with the knife (there's the blood). Then he tells her he doesn't want to hurt her more and says something like calmly walk out (from the carport) with me and don't scream or worse will happen.
Here's what I don't get. She is in her carport, mere feet away from her brother and his guns. The guy begins forcing her to leave. Wouldn't she put up a fight there in hopes of getting help from Clint. She had to know that going into the woods with an armed man is death anyway. It does not make sense to me.
She is young and strong, and in her own garage. She could have fought a guy with a knife long enough for her brother to hear her screaming help.
He heard voices but never heard her scream HELP ME CLINT! Why all the talking but no calling for help?
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 05:08 AM
sorry frog, wasn't trying to copy you, we posted almost at the exact time. Similar thoughts.
Trino
08-05-2011, 05:13 AM
Sex offender George Wall arrested in MN in Holly Bobo case.
http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/Convicted_sex_offender__126795938.html
Weird that the family was muted if this is the guy.
Darcyline
08-05-2011, 05:15 AM
Thanks! I thought she panicked when CB called her and that made less sense to me.
I also don't entirely understand why she didn't scream or call for her brother, but I guess we don't know how we would react in the same situation. It also makes way more sense to me that she would have known her abductor at least a little bit and maybe that somehow changed how she acted?
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 05:21 AM
sorry frog, wasn't trying to copy you, we posted almost at the exact time. Similar thoughts.
It's all good, I like when similar posts are going up at the same time. Lets me know I'm not going it alone! :cheer:
BeanE
08-05-2011, 06:13 AM
I don't understand why people don't understand why Holly didn't yell or scream or fight.
The guy wounded her enough to leave her blood on the ground. He wasn't playing.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 06:14 AM
Several people have said there was an object on the ground. Some speculate because of that there was a third person.
I just reviewed the transcript again, and I don't see anyone saying there was an object on the ground.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 06:53 AM
Sex offender arrested in MN
12:50 AM, Aug. 5, 2011
Jackson Sun
The U.S. Marshals Service has arrested a sex offender whom Tennessee authorities could not find when they began trying to locate all registered sex offenders as part of the Holly Bobo investigation.
Special Agent Fred Moore with the Perry County Sheriff's Office said Wall was the only offender the county could not locate, so they issued a warrant for his arrest. Moore said investigators do not have any evidence that links Wall to Bobo's kidnapping.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20110805/NEWS01/108050320
daisy.faithfull
08-05-2011, 07:41 AM
Sex offender George Wall arrested in MN in Holly Bobo case.
http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/Convicted_sex_offender__126795938.html
Weird that the family was muted if this is the guy.
Wow... I just came here to toss in my two cents after seeing JVM, I really hope that this will give Holly's family the answer's it deserves.
I have to say that I'm not to confident that it will, but there's always hope.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 07:41 AM
I think the scream came later when they were near or in the woods a ways off, and she realized he was going to bind her with duct tape.
According to Holly's mom, the neighbour called her at work. The neighbour said the screams came from the house.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 07:42 AM
FWIW...I don't think the SO has anything to do with Holly's case. The description given by CB is totally off
TxLady2
08-05-2011, 07:55 AM
I don't understand why people don't understand why Holly didn't yell or scream or fight.
The guy wounded her enough to leave her blood on the ground. He wasn't playing.
Me, too, BeanE. Wonder if it has occurred to anyone that sometimes you can be so petrified with fear that you can't make a sound. Maybe she did fight, we don't know, but if someone had a knife at my throat and warned me not to struggle, or make a sound, you better believe I would do what he said.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 07:58 AM
I believe the family is hiding something. The only scenario that makes any sense to me is Holly was not home the night before and may have returned that morning to get her school stuff. She may have slept elsewhere (that's how KB knew Holly was not with Drew). CB may have called KB to let her know that Holly returned home that morning. When he told her he saw Holly walking in the woods with Drew, KB knew it could not have been Drew because of whatever happened the night before.
I think something happened the night before but why is the family holding back? Is it to protect Holly's reputation? Who was the last person to see Holly besides the family and when?
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 08:00 AM
Me, too, BeanE. Wonder if it has occurred to anyone that sometimes you can be so petrified with fear that you can't make a sound. Maybe she did fight, we don't know, but if someone had a knife at my throat and warned me not to struggle, or make a sound, you better believe I would do what he said.
So the neighbour is lying? Why would the neighbour call KB if she didn't hear screams coming from the house?
dizzychick
08-05-2011, 08:09 AM
isnt it possible that a dog might have drug that lunch bag off into the woods? and speaking of dogs did use them? if so what were the results??
grandmaj
08-05-2011, 08:12 AM
The family are victims in this case unless or until LE makes public statements or MSM state otherwise. Thanks. Please read opening post where the rules are printed.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 08:18 AM
Did any one get the impression that the brother may be slow or was it just me?
I get the impression that they're being very careful with what they say in the media. He may come across as slow because he has to think before he speaks? Perhaps they were told what to say and not say?
BeanE
08-05-2011, 08:32 AM
So the neighbour is lying? Why would the neighbour call KB if she didn't hear screams coming from the house?
The discussion, if I understood it correctly, was about Holly screaming earlier than the screams heard by the neighbor.
Jean517
08-05-2011, 08:41 AM
That was the strangest interview I've ever seen. I wanted to jump in there and ask the questions! It was obvious that Jane was confused too.
And this family has NO information from LE about what they found and who they've eliminated??? Something is terribly wrong here.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 08:46 AM
The discussion, if I understood it correctly, was about Holly screaming earlier than the screams heard by the neighbor.
The neighbour heard screams coming from the house from what has been reported. There was a whole discussion about it and many wondered why CB didn't hear the screams but the neighbour did. The neighbour calld KB so she must've known it was from the Bobo home.
I still don't understand why the perp would take Holly into the woods. He would've had to hide his vehicle (if we believe she was taken to a vehicle). Why didn't he just grab her, put her in the vehicle and take off? It would've taken less time, unnoticed, perhaps no screams from the house if he just grabbed her and put her in the car.....
This case is making me crazy.:pullhair:
daisy.faithfull
08-05-2011, 08:47 AM
I don't understand why people don't understand why Holly didn't yell or scream or fight.
The guy wounded her enough to leave her blood on the ground. He wasn't playing.
I agree with you on so much of what I've read regarding Holly's disappearance, which I followed very closely in the beginning.
I never truly thought that the family's behavior was suspicious, but that's just me. Any itty bitty lingering doubt about I had about the Bobo's or Holly's boyfriend was squashed after seeing their appearance on JVM.
As always though, because it is why we are here, I believe that all of our hearts are in the right place and it is certainly in our nature to examine things from every angle. So I understand why there are those that are still suspicious of them.
It is a horrifying reality that often those closest to the victim are the ones responsible for their death or disappearance. From what I've seen often times it is that very person who is out in the media asking for help, for answers. Often times the monsters are not, and they get angry and beligerant or silently defiant. Perps have their various acts and those left suffering behind who just want answers grieve in different ways as well.
As far as those that say that the family needs to do the media thing to encourage people to come forward with answers and whatnot, it sounds to me like they are doing that in there own way out of the spotlight and especially in a town this size that makes sense. And with the world wide web a person who is reluctant to come forward can see the family's pain and our own cries for justice with the click of a button when and if there conscious scratches at them. They'll see too, everyone's suspicious of the family, and if those suspicions serve no other purpose I hope they drive home to that person(s) that it is all the more reason to end the family's extreme suffering.
Even if all the questions are never completely answered, because :banghead::pullhair::tears::anguish: it just seems like they never are, I hope that Holly can be brought home to her family.
My heart heavy with everything that has gone on recently, everything we see here. Really I don't know how I feel about any of this stuff, my faith in justice. It seems like it just makes me wanting to have faith that the loved ones left behind can bring those lost home at the very, very, very least. Right now I'm guess I am working on having faith in justice. I've gone through my fair share of ***** and had my faith similiarly tested and the blessing is that it is always strengthened in the end, it just sucks right now YKWIM?
Seeing Holly's family on JVM really clunked me on the head and humbled me in regards to all the stuff I'm struggling with right now. So has looking at all of you and everyone in LE that have been witness to it and looking for answers for so much longer and seen things I don't even want to imagine.
Sorry to make this so much about me.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 09:05 AM
The neighbour heard screams coming from the house from what has been reported. There was a whole discussion about it and many wondered why CB didn't hear the screams but the neighbour did. The neighbour calld KB so she must've known it was from the Bobo home.
Yep I know there was that one article that said the screams came from the house, but personally, I think that was mis-wording by the reporter.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 09:31 AM
Ok the problems I have with all of this are:
I want to take official LE statements at face value. I also would normally consider an eyewitness or family members statements to be of considerable value.
In a lot of cases, information is with held. I can understand that... So basically the actual series if events should be just an expanded, more detailed account of the simplified, watered down media version.
But with this case, we have two or three media interviews with the family; each providing new and often totally contradictory information. There are multiple LE statements that contradict both each other and what the family has said.
Even with last nite's JVM interview I see problems both with the questioning and answers. Not that anyone was being deceptive, but more like a general atmosphere of vague statements that no one on either side would or could clarify. I will give everyone the benfit of the doubt too and say that a phone or video interview with its associated delay problems, etc. may add to any confusion or fuzzyness.
One example was when JVM asked Clint about the blood (trail) and did it lead anywhere. Clint started talking about trails in the woods and logging roads. Now the trails and logging roads info was new but JVM did not pursue that very much, nor did she go back and ask for clarification as to her original question.
Then there were the statements about Clint hearing voices outside. He used the words "they" or "them" and implied it was more than one person talking. Now did he mean Holly and one other person? Or did he mean two strangers? This was not clarified.
It is real hard to accurately put together a sequence of events because each somewhat expanded retelling differs in detail and content from previous versions. We get some new info but then info that may not fit with what has been said previously.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 09:34 AM
isnt it possible that a dog might have drug that lunch bag off into the woods? and speaking of dogs did use them? if so what were the results??
The bag is supposedly something more like a purse as opposed to a paper sac. And I doubt a dog would have dragged it from within the garage (?) to a point 7-8 miles away. The bag was found aparently unopened and with the lunch still inside.
There is an anecdotal comment from Mark Ferman that dogs were used but did not find a trail.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 09:42 AM
Every surprise situation is different. Some people are just noisy too. I make a lot of noise. If I see a bug I scream. If someone startles me, I scream and can faint. But thats just me.
I will say that when I was assaulted in my own home, I fought back. I do not recall making any noise. I could have yelled or screamed but I remember my focus was just on fighting. I was not alone at the time and felt I had to do somthing to protect both myself and my sister. Knowing someone else was around me probably made me decide to fight and not just submit. But, who knows. Stuff happens so fast.
I will say too that if the suspect here hit or stuck Holly (what I feel happened) then she could have been stunned. Thats a real weird feeling and you aren't going to say a whole lot. If you have ever watched boxing and saw a fighter take a good punch you know there can be blood and usually when they go down they aren't saying much.
Other people may not have the same reaction or response. I have had other situations (more like muggings) where I just let it happen. Those were probably less dangerous situations for me too, but again who knows...
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 09:42 AM
Several people have said there was an object on the ground. Some speculate because of that there was a third person.
I just reviewed the transcript again, and I don't see anyone saying there was an object on the ground.
There is another quote earlier on but here ya go: In transcript from JVM
Clint, I want to get back to you, you were the last person to see your sister alive. You say you saw this guy, a big, tall, 6-foot guy, 200 pounds approximately, in your garage with your sister. They`re leaning down and you think they`re looking at a turkey that they`ve killed. But there is no turkey there.
And then, you say you go to call your mom, and then you see him leaving through the woods -- him leading her into the woods?
C. BOBO: Well, the information that has come, as far as leading, I saw the two walking towards the woods, there was no leading, there was no dragging. They just looked like they were casually walking towards the woods. And it wasn`t until later they realized that my sister went to the woods in fear for her life. That she must have been threatened with a weapon.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you called your mom in between when you saw them in the garage and when they walked out into the woods? Why did you do that?
C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were.
*There is earlier comments about him leaning over something that appeared to be a turkey.... The second reason I am speculating a 3rd person is the voices comment. You would know your sisters voice. He heard 2 voices, he didnt say I heard my sister talking to some guy. He was disturbed enough about this to call his mom. Also, something that gets me.... The dog barking. Is this normal? Does the dog normally bark at the sister? Her boyfriend? Strangers? Would the dog bark at the sister if she brought a stranger with her? What's normal for the dogs behavior. Also, which is it....the dog woke him up or the sound of voices. first he said it was the dog, then he said he woke to the sound of voices.....
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 09:54 AM
Another little tidbit of info thats bothering me but I don't know why. Everyone, LE (I think I read an article early in about this), and the Bobo's have commented to the fact that they feel the lunch bag was planted as a decoy..... Why do they feel so strongly about this?
What is so important about this spot? What are the chances that a lunch bag 8 miles from where she was abducted, would be found in the woods so quickly to when she went missing? Is this why they think its planted?
IMO it sounded like (by media reports) that this was a secluded spot. Why plant it there? Doesn't make since. It could have never been found. If your trying to throw the cops off...why there?
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 10:04 AM
Yep I know there was that one article that said the screams came from the house, but personally, I think that was mis-wording by the reporter.
It was the article with the Bobo family interview. I disagree that it was a mis wording. To me it makes a lot of sense that the screaming came from the house. Otherwise, how would the neighbour know to call KB? It could've been someone else screaming. She knew it was from the Bobo home.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 10:04 AM
Another little tidbit of info thats bothering me but I don't know why. Everyone, LE (I think I read an article early in about this), and the Bobo's have commented to the fact that they feel the lunch bag was planted as a decoy..... Why do they feel so strongly about this?
What is so important about this spot? What are the chances that a lunch bag 8 miles from where she was abducted, would be found in the woods so quickly to when she went missing? Is this why they think its planted?
IMO it sounded like (by media reports) that this was a secluded spot. Why plant it there? Doesn't make since. It could have never been found. If your trying to throw the cops off...why there?
It was found by the side of a/the road not out in the woods per se. So it could have been tossed from a passing car?
wfgodot
08-05-2011, 10:06 AM
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.
C. BOBO: No, it was gone.
I do have some sympathy for LE and their initial fumblings with the scenario at the house that morning.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 10:07 AM
There is another quote earlier on but here ya go: In transcript from JVM
Clint, I want to get back to you, you were the last person to see your sister alive. You say you saw this guy, a big, tall, 6-foot guy, 200 pounds approximately, in your garage with your sister. They`re leaning down and you think they`re looking at a turkey that they`ve killed. But there is no turkey there.
And then, you say you go to call your mom, and then you see him leaving through the woods -- him leading her into the woods?
C. BOBO: Well, the information that has come, as far as leading, I saw the two walking towards the woods, there was no leading, there was no dragging. They just looked like they were casually walking towards the woods. And it wasn`t until later they realized that my sister went to the woods in fear for her life. That she must have been threatened with a weapon.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you called your mom in between when you saw them in the garage and when they walked out into the woods? Why did you do that?
C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were.
*There is earlier comments about him leaning over something that appeared to be a turkey.... The second reason I am speculating a 3rd person is the voices comment. You would know your sisters voice. He heard 2 voices, he didnt say I heard my sister talking to some guy. He was disturbed enough about this to call his mom. Also, something that gets me.... The dog barking. Is this normal? Does the dog normally bark at the sister? Her boyfriend? Strangers? Would the dog bark at the sister if she brought a stranger with her? What's normal for the dogs behavior. Also, which is it....the dog woke him up or the sound of voices. first he said it was the dog, then he said he woke to the sound of voices.....
If there were 2 perps, where did the other one go? He only saw Holly and one perp heading for the woods.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 10:08 AM
I do have some sympathy for LE and their initial fumblings with the scenario at the house that morning.
They took the turkey? :waitasec:
Oriah
08-05-2011, 10:13 AM
I wonder if perhaps there is leased hunting land outlying of the Bobo's residence?
The reason why I wonder this, is because we have a property that is very similar to the Bobo's, that backs up to a pine forest with multiple lumber and hunting trails that run through it. Hunting is not allowed, and the property is posted accordingly. However, we have had hunters suddenly appear out of the treeline (very frequently early in the morning.) Some have not realized they entered private posted property until they reach the treeline because they have come from an access road several miles away that leads to a logging trail, that leads to a deer trail- that leads to a residence.
There are also hunters who put up illegal deer stands out of season or on private property- as well as poachers etc. We have also had hunters appear, while following their hunting dogs' radio signal.
So anyway... my point here is that I am not particularly distrustful of this type of scenario because I've experienced it myself.
That said- I am curious about the lack of organized searches behind the Bobo residence. It seems as if the areas focused on have been east (toward and across from Swan Johnson.) Now, I know a good part of that is the lunch bag location. But I think it would be prudent to NOT assume that a vehicle was used initially. There are any number of reasons as to why the bag was located where it was.
And IMVHO, there are many possible reasons for confusion on Holly's family's part- as well as LE- the morning that Holly was abducted.
cluciano63
08-05-2011, 10:15 AM
I am at a loss about the missing turkey...
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 10:17 AM
IDK. If there were 2 perps, depending on CB line of vision he may have only saw one. If we go with the theory of 2 perps, the pieces start to fit for me. 1) The voices in the garage (2 perps not Holly and perp) 2) silhouttes leaning over something CB thought was a turkey Turkeys are huge, could have been HB 3) where turkey supposidly was... they found HB blood which means what they were leaning over could have actually been HB 4) now she was being directed to logging road? So second perp could have gone first and went to a vehicle... or stayed behind and threatened HB that he would hurt CB or family if HB made a scene...just trying to put pieces together...this is my opinion only and I am just speculating.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 10:17 AM
I am at a loss about the missing turkey...
Maybe Cargill recalled it
BeanE
08-05-2011, 10:30 AM
There is another quote earlier on but here ya go: In transcript from JVM
Clint, I want to get back to you, you were the last person to see your sister alive. You say you saw this guy, a big, tall, 6-foot guy, 200 pounds approximately, in your garage with your sister. They`re leaning down and you think they`re looking at a turkey that they`ve killed. But there is no turkey there.
And then, you say you go to call your mom, and then you see him leaving through the woods -- him leading her into the woods?
C. BOBO: Well, the information that has come, as far as leading, I saw the two walking towards the woods, there was no leading, there was no dragging. They just looked like they were casually walking towards the woods. And it wasn`t until later they realized that my sister went to the woods in fear for her life. That she must have been threatened with a weapon.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you called your mom in between when you saw them in the garage and when they walked out into the woods? Why did you do that?
C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were.
*There is earlier comments about him leaning over something that appeared to be a turkey....
Sorry, I'm still not seeing Clint or Karen or Dana saying anything about any object they're looking at.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 10:33 AM
It was the article with the Bobo family interview. I disagree that it was a mis wording. To me it makes a lot of sense that the screaming came from the house. Otherwise, how would the neighbour know to call KB? It could've been someone else screaming. She knew it was from the Bobo home.
I think the neighbor heard screaming coming the area of the home. I see no way the neighbor could have known it came from inside the home.
Perhaps you didn't mean inside the home or garage and I misunderstood you?
BeanE
08-05-2011, 10:34 AM
It is now my belief that a turkey abducted Holly.
wfgodot
08-05-2011, 10:42 AM
It is now my belief that a turkey abducted Holly.
BOLO: Possible suspect. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hvURpdfdQuw/Swx1K6y5IZI/AAAAAAAAAXA/gHe_9PSKo3g/s640/FunnyTurkey.PNG)
cluciano63
08-05-2011, 10:47 AM
Well, clearly the turkey is missing as well...
I don't mean to make light of any of this, but it is so convoluted...
I really wish LE had something to say.
BeanE
08-05-2011, 10:52 AM
Maybe the turkey was the one that was 5'8" and 200 lbs.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 10:56 AM
Gosh, the more I reread the transript, the more confused I become.
CB says he heard voices and he thought it was HB and Drew and that perhaps Drew had gone turkey hunting but calls his mom anyway because he wanted to know who the people were. After calling mom, he sees them walking into the woods. Mom says it's not Drew.
Did I get that right? Why did he call mom about the voices if he thought it was Holly and Drew? I'd just go about my own business. That's what I'm not getting.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying you were able to call your mom before they left the garage and after you called your mom you see them walking towards the woods?
C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So where did you find the blood?
C. BOBO: It was in the garage, under where I saw the silhouette of them kneeled down in the garage.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: When you saw them kneeling down did you think to ask them or approach them? How far away were you?
C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.
C. BOBO: No, it was gone.
mountainguy777
08-05-2011, 10:59 AM
I don't understand why people don't understand why Holly didn't yell or scream or fight.
The guy wounded her enough to leave her blood on the ground. He wasn't playing.
The problem with that is going from knocking her down to her walking casually into the woods. She would have shown tense signs such as little steps or balled fists. If you are dazed or scared you look anything but casual.
helpfindthemissing
08-05-2011, 11:10 AM
It is now my belief that a turkey abducted Holly.
omg! LOVE IT.
I read the transcript last night and I really thought it said he saw something on the ground and they thought it was a turkey. Guess I misread the transcript as I saw a variation of that, that I previously posted but not the object specifically. That said he said he thought they were leaning over a turkey.....kind of an odd assumption if there was no object on the ground. Why a turkey? Why not her books or the spilled soda or somethig else....Why a turkey? Also, at this point in time everything was only silohetted so he wasnt seeing anything but shapes?
mountainguy777
08-05-2011, 11:11 AM
So....clint heard voices and silhoutes, yet he says one of the people kneeling was wearing camo?
mountainguy777
08-05-2011, 11:17 AM
I'm starting to lean towards a tragic accident and a panicked family. It almost seems like LE might have turned the investigation inwards towards the family, and they are suddenly out doing interviews to try and align their story and maybe protect someone.
MOO.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 11:24 AM
Holly Bobo Disappearance Reveals an Arrest and other Developments
http://*****************/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979819884
mountainguy777
08-05-2011, 11:43 AM
Maybe this sex offender they have in custody is significant, IF there were 2 people involved in an abduction. Clint might have seen a larger guy heading to the woods, and this smaller guy was part of the "turkey huddle" in the garage. Just thinking out loud...
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 11:45 AM
Maybe this sex offender they have in custody is significant, IF there were 2 people involved in an abduction. Clint might have seen a larger guy heading to the woods, and this smaller guy was part of the "turkey huddle" in the garage. Just thinking out loud...
but as this newer MSM article points out... "Authorities previously said they do not have any evidence linking Wall to the Bobo case but none-the-less want to talk to him."
http://www.wkrn.com/story/15216244/sex-offender-to-be-questioned-in-holly-bobo-case
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 11:49 AM
The problem with that is going from knocking her down to her walking casually into the woods. She would have shown tense signs such as little steps or balled fists. If you are dazed or scared you look anything but casual.
If HB was attacked in the garage and it drew blood, did the perp wait for her to gain her senses before walking toward the woods with her? I cannot buy that argument at all. If you are going to abduct somebody, you do just that, you don't wait around forever. Also, why would HB not scream when she could, people seem to want to believe she would scream out in the middle of the woods somewhere where the neighbor could here, but not when near her home and had the slightest chance of CB coming to help? Again that is hard to buy into. I really feel like she was familiar with her abductor, only way it makes sense to me.
concentric
08-05-2011, 11:51 AM
This is JMO - Clint isn't speaking in a linear timeline of his thoughts as they occurred. That is why this is confusing. He saw the silhouettes through the window of the house either through the walls of the structure as it could have been made of a material that sunlight could penetrate through from one side, casting shadows on another side, or reflected onto an opposing surface. He sees the figures kneeling over something large. He just woke up, so he is groggy and his mind is making sense of what he is seeing by referencing familiar objects, people. He thinks the larger figure could be Holly's bf and they are kneeling over a large object (I think it is a pack the perp. has brought with him and possibly he is putting the objects Holly dropped into the pack.) Clint is still not clear on what is going on. When he sees them emerge from the carport, he sees the guy dressed in camo. his mind goes to thinking it's Holly's bf. Didn't he say he called the mom at this point? He now has questions because he learns that Holly's bf could be somewhere else. So, he goes to the carport. He sees the blood on the ground and puts the silhouette of the large object, and the camo. together to equal that it was probably a turkey that Holly's bf had been showing her that caused the blood stain. But he becomes uncomfortable when he learns from his mom or someone that it wasn't her bf because he was somewhere else at the time, and her car is still there, so he knows she didn't go with him.
I admit I have not seen the JVM segment, only read the transcript.
cluciano63
08-05-2011, 11:53 AM
I don't think there were two people involved in the abduction, I think that came about from the mess of an interview last night..."they" being Holly and the male.
I still am not sure if Clint called his mom or his mom called him...he does not seem to actually say he called her but that when he talked to her...and she said last time that she called him, I am pretty sure.
I also am at a loss why a grown man calls his mother to ask who is outside the home when he is there and the mother is not...
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 11:54 AM
I think the neighbor heard screaming coming the area of the home. I see no way the neighbor could have known it came from inside the home.
Perhaps you didn't mean inside the home or garage and I misunderstood you?
I believe he is trying to say if the neighbor heard a scream close to their property, why would this neighbor immediately think to call KB at work? Wouldn't it make more sense if the neighbor heard screams from the Bobo home and that is why the call to KB? It does not matter if the screams came from inside the house or right outside the house, something told this neighbor the scream was most likely HB and called KB to tell her.
wfgodot
08-05-2011, 12:03 PM
I don't think there were two people involved in the abduction, I think that came about from the mess of an interview last night..."they" being Holly and the male.
I still am not sure if Clint called his mom or his mom called him...he does not seem to actually say he called her but that when he talked to her...and she said last time that she called him, I am pretty sure.
Agreed that it doesn't sound like there were two abductors.
Clint says, in the JVM thing, "I got in touch with my mom," though who can
really know what that means in Clintese. Is there a translator in the house??
Sounds like he called her, though.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 12:04 PM
Why does everyone call Holly's mom about stuff ???
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 12:12 PM
This is JMO - Clint isn't speaking in a linear timeline of his thoughts as they occurred. That is why this is confusing. He saw the silhouettes through the window of the house either through the walls of the structure as it could have been made of a material that sunlight could penetrate through from one side, casting shadows on another side, or reflected onto an opposing surface. He sees the figures kneeling over something large. He just woke up, so he is groggy and his mind is making sense of what he is seeing by referencing familiar objects, people. He thinks the larger figure could be Holly's bf and they are kneeling over a large object (I think it is a pack the perp. has brought with him and possibly he is putting the objects Holly dropped into the pack.) Clint is still not clear on what is going on. When he sees them emerge from the carport, he sees the guy dressed in camo. his mind goes to thinking it's Holly's bf. Didn't he say he called the mom at this point? He now has questions because he learns that Holly's bf could be somewhere else. So, he goes to the carport. He sees the blood on the ground and puts the silhouette of the large object, and the camo. together to equal that it was probably a turkey that Holly's bf had been showing her that caused the blood stain. But he becomes uncomfortable when he learns from his mom or someone that it wasn't her bf because he was somewhere else at the time, and her car is still there, so he knows she didn't go with him.
I admit I have not seen the JVM segment, only read the transcript.
But why call mom to tell her Holly and BF were going into the woods? Before or After. If CB thought she was with Drew, why did he need to call mom? That's what makes absolutely no sense to me. Unless, there was a reason he needed or had to call KB. I speculated earlier that perhaps Holly was not home the night before and CB called KB to let her know she had got home when this whole thing came down only to find out that she was not with Drew. KB knew that. Why? How did she know Drew wasn't with her?
sumzero
08-05-2011, 12:39 PM
The thought probably never crossed Clint's mind that his sister was about to be abducted from outside their rural home. Never. So, when a couple of unusual things occur -- the dog barking and voices in the garage/carport -- it alarms him a bit. But still, it probably doesn't occur to him that his sister could be in trouble. He might even think -- at this point -- that his sister has left for school.
The fact that he is not alone -- as he might have expected -- bothers him. Does the thought cross his mind to go outside? Maybe. But he might've thought he'd be outnumbered 2-to-1, if he did. Besides, it could be nothing. So, he calls his mother to find out if, by chance, she had expected someone at the house. Again, the last thing he expects to see is the violent abduction of his sister from her home.
So, his mind tries to piece together the few details: two figures bending over, camo attire. It must be Drew. He must have shot a turkey. Then he sees the two of them -- one of them being his sister -- heading toward the woods. Holly shows no signs of being in distress. So, Clint probably assumes that he, in fact, was right: It was Drew who had stopped by. Again, he has no reason to think that his sister is about to be violently abducted.
I can better understand Clint's behavior, thanks to this interview. Clint tries to respond to an unsual situation. He perhaps is fearful enough not to confront the stranger(s). (He might not even be dressed.) But he doesn't want to overreact either. So, he calls his mom, to see if she knows something he doesn't know.
mag84
08-05-2011, 12:41 PM
But why call mom to tell her Holly and BF were going into the woods? Before or After. If CB thought she was with Drew, why did he need to call mom? That's what makes absolutely no sense to me. Unless, there was a reason he needed or had to call KB. I speculated earlier that perhaps Holly was not home the night before and CB called KB to let her know she had got home when this whole thing came down only to find out that she was not with Drew. KB knew that. Why? How did she know Drew wasn't with her?
BBM
In the last interview before this KB said Holly was home that morning and she saw her and she was up at 4:30 or so studying for a test that day.
Other than that I have no answers. This gets more convoluted everytime someone says something.
mag84
08-05-2011, 12:47 PM
And thinking back on everything after this latest round, wasn't there initial reports when this all broke of CB saying he heard arguing or something to that affect in the garage/carport? I can't find it, but I swear I remember that.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 12:53 PM
BBM
In the last interview before this KB said Holly was home that morning and she saw her and she was up at 4:30 or so studying for a test that day.
Other than that I have no answers. This gets more convoluted everytime someone says something.
Yes I know that's what KB said. The impression I get from watching them in interviews is they're being very careful with what they're saying and it comes across as hiding something. There is a piece of the puzzle just not adding up and I speculated that perhaps it was because Hailey was not home at 4:30 that morning. She may have arrived when CB saw the "silhouettes" in the garage and he called KB to let her know HB got home and she was with someone whom he thought was Drew. KB knew it wasn't Drew because she had spoken to him that morning. Why did she call Drew that morning? Was she looking for Holly? Are they trying to protect Holly's reputation by not saying where she was?
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 12:54 PM
The thought probably never crossed Clint's mind that his sister was about to be abducted from outside their rural home. Never. So, when a couple of unusual things occur -- the dog barking and voices in the garage/carport -- it alarms him a bit. But still, it probably doesn't occur to him that his sister could be in trouble. He might even think -- at this point -- that his sister has left for school.
The fact that he is not alone -- as he might have expected -- bothers him. Does the thought cross his mind to go outside? Maybe. But he might've thought he'd be outnumbered 2-to-1, if he did. Besides, it could be nothing. So, he calls his mother to find out if, by chance, she had expected someone at the house. Again, the last thing he expects to see is the violent abduction of his sister from her home.
So, his mind tries to piece together the few details: two figures bending over, camo attire. It must be Drew. He must have shot a turkey. Then he sees the two of them -- one of them being his sister -- heading toward the woods. Holly shows no signs of being in distress. So, Clint probably assumes that he, in fact, was right: It was Drew who had stopped by. Again, he has no reason to think that his sister is about to be violently abducted.
I can better understand Clint's behavior, thanks to this interview. Clint tries to respond to an unsual situation. He perhaps is fearful enough not to confront the stranger(s). (He might not even be dressed.) But he doesn't want to overreact either. So, he calls his mom, to see if she knows something he doesn't know.
See my understanding of his behavior (or lack of understanding) is compounded by the series of events.
Just on an average morning if I heard voices outside I would go see who it was. If i thought my sister and her b/f were in the garage and wondered what they were doing, I'd have asked. If I thought they had a turkey or some game they had shot, I'd say hey you get a good bird? I would not have glanced in and then called my mom to ask what Holly was doing in the garage or who was talking outside. Thats just NOT how most people would react.
I wonder now too was the blood in the garage (or outside in the car port as previously inferred) and was the coke can in the carage or outside. In the lats interview I think it was implied Hollys car was parked outside in front of the house and the can and blood were next to the car. So if Holly were assaulted outside, did they go into the garage after that? Or were they in the garage then went outside and some scuffle happened and then they walked into the woods?
I assume Clint called his mom on a cell phone or at least a mobile hand set. If so, why not keep these mystery people or Holly in sight while he was on the phone. I can't imagine he went to the far side of the house and picked up an old fashioned dial phone to make his calls.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Yes I know that's what KB said. The impression I get from watching them in interviews is they're being very careful with what they're saying and it comes across as hiding something. There is a piece of the puzzle just not adding up and I speculated that perhaps it was because Hailey was not home at 4:30 that morning. She may have arrived when CB saw the "silhouettes" in the garage and he called KB to let her know HB got home and she was with someone whom he thought was Drew. KB knew it wasn't Drew because she had spoken to him that morning. Why did she call Drew that morning? Was she looking for Holly? Are they trying to protect Holly's reputation by not saying where she was?
If Holly wasn't home and her mom knew she wasn't home why would her mom make her lunch for school?
sumzero
08-05-2011, 01:00 PM
See my understanding of his behavior (or lack of understanding) is compounded by the series of events.
Just on an average morning if I heard voices outside I would go see who it was. If i thought my sister and her b/f were in the garage and wondered what they were doing, I'd have asked. If I thought they had a turkey or some game they had shot, I'd say hey you get a good bird? I would not have glanced in and then called my mom to ask what Holly was doing in the garage or who was talking outside. Thats just NOT how most people would react.
Clint didn't apparently recognize the figures in the garage/carport. He probably expected to wake up to an empty (and quiet) house. Instead, the dog is barking. And Clint hears voices outside that he does not recognize. I can understand him being cautious under the circumstances. Again, he doesn't recognize the figures or the voices. Not at first.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 01:02 PM
Why in the world would the perp waste time,risking getting caught by dragging, leading Holly into the woods and then take her to a car that was allegedly parked somewhere else? Leaving potential footprints and other evidence on the way to this alleged vehicle when he could've just grabbed her right then and there and put her in the car and drove off?
Makes no sense.
Patty G
08-05-2011, 01:02 PM
This is a Tweet from Michele Sigona.
MichelleSigona Michelle Sigona
Getting word there may be an update / possible arrest in the Holly Bobo case... more to come #crime #missing #hollybobo
wfgodot
08-05-2011, 01:03 PM
And thinking back on everything after this latest round, wasn't there initial reports when this all broke of CB saying he heard arguing or something to that affect in the garage/carport? I can't find it, but I swear I remember that.
The "mild argument" detail appears to have originated on the quite iffy Blink on Crime blog. I can't find a mention in MSM.
Patty G
08-05-2011, 01:05 PM
Transcript from Jane's show Thursday evening (8/4/11)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html
obody
08-05-2011, 01:05 PM
I really really hope LE has something. Holly deserves better than this :(
sumzero
08-05-2011, 01:12 PM
I'm glad we have a first-hand account from Clint. It doesn't answer all of our questions. But it's good to have a first-hand report instead of second-, third-, or fourth-. LE and media might be well-intentioned. But their statements are bound to be less precise and accurate than a first-hand account.
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 01:15 PM
This is a Tweet from Michele Sigona.
MichelleSigona Michelle Sigona
Getting word there may be an update / possible arrest in the Holly Bobo case... more to come #crime #missing #hollybobo
Wow it would be nice for this case to move in a positive direction. It has been bogged down since the story broke and we still dissect all the events of that morning and try to discuss it with all the new tidbits of puzzling info we have been given as time has passed. I also cannot help but think if an arrest is forthcoming in this case, the timing is quite interesting. Not going to read into it more than that.
sumzero
08-05-2011, 01:17 PM
It interests me to learn that Clint heard voices outside. I wonder if the abductor told Holly not to scream "or else." He probably brandished a weapon of some kind. Did Holly engage in some "discussion" with the abductor, though, hoping that Clint would hear them? If so, it worked to the extent that he heard them. Unfortunately, he didn't recognize the peril of the situation until it was too late.
mag84
08-05-2011, 01:19 PM
The "mild argument" detail appears to have originated on the quite iffy Blink on Crime blog. I can't find a mention in MSM.
Thanks! I don't read there, so it must have ended up copied to somewhere else, too.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 01:20 PM
I'll be shocked if it's the SO
OldSteve
08-05-2011, 01:20 PM
The family are victims in this case unless or until LE makes public statements or MSM state otherwise. Thanks. Please read opening post where the rules are printed.
THANK YOU! There's much too much negative stuff being said about the family :maddening:
x_files
08-05-2011, 01:21 PM
Why in the world would the perp waste time,risking getting caught by dragging, leading Holly into the woods and then take her to a car that was allegedly parked somewhere else? Leaving potential footprints and other evidence on the way to this alleged vehicle when he could've just grabbed her right then and there and put her in the car and drove off?
Makes no sense.
The only thing I could think is that the abduction wasn't planned or planned in advance very well. Meaning a crazy delusional stalker that approached her to talk and she freaked out and he panicked trying to quiet her. Or that the hunters or burglars didn't expect anyone to be home and were taken by surprise as she was.
If this was a planned abduction it wasn't thought out well enough to leave evidence and possible witnesses.
What bothers me is CB's stories or lack of the ability to remember correctly. I'd be tempted to see if he was suffering amnesia from shock, but something doesn't add up to me.
mag84
08-05-2011, 01:21 PM
This is a Tweet from Michele Sigona.
MichelleSigona Michelle Sigona
Getting word there may be an update / possible arrest in the Holly Bobo case... more to come #crime #missing #hollybobo
Who is Michelle Sigona?
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 01:28 PM
Who is Michelle Sigona?
http://www.michellesigona.com/
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 01:28 PM
This is a Tweet from Michele Sigona.
MichelleSigona Michelle Sigona
Getting word there may be an update / possible arrest in the Holly Bobo case... more to come #crime #missing #hollybobo
Wow it would be nice for this case to move in a positive direction. It has been bogged down since the story broke and we still dissect all the events of that morning and try to discuss it with all the new tidbits of puzzling info we have been given as time has passed. I also cannot help but think if an arrest is forthcoming in this case, the timing is quite interesting. Not going to read into it more than that.
wfgodot
08-05-2011, 01:29 PM
Hm. The Michelle Sigona tweet appears to have disappeared.
raeann
08-05-2011, 01:30 PM
just announced on Fox....a SO from the area, not compliant for over four years.....found and arrested in MN.....did not pay attention to the name, tho, but the HB case was referred to in the report.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 01:30 PM
Clint didn't apparently recognize the figures in the garage/carport. He probably expected to wake up to an empty (and quiet) house. Instead, the dog is barking. And Clint hears voices outside that he does not recognize. I can understand him being cautious under the circumstances. Again, he doesn't recognize the figures or the voices. Not at first.
But thats my point exactly... he THOUGHT the guy in the garage was the boyfriend. He didn't recognize the voices... so what does he do? He calls his mom 20 miles away to ask who is in the garage or the yard? Is that what a normal person would do? No...
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 01:32 PM
just announced on Fox....a SO from the area, not compliant for over four years.....found and arrested in MN.....did not pay attention to the name, tho, but the HB case was referred to in the report.
Not new news he was arrested a couple days ago now. He isnt (that LE suspects) connected with Holly per se. Just when they did a check on RSO's in the area he had come up missing. He had been hiding out somewhere for some years.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 01:34 PM
Wow it would be nice for this case to move in a positive direction. It has been bogged down since the story broke and we still dissect all the events of that morning and try to discuss it with all the new tidbits of puzzling info we have been given as time has passed. I also cannot help but think if an arrest is forthcoming in this case, the timing is quite interesting. Not going to read into it more than that.
I have a feeling it has to do with the SO being arrested. He's being questioned about the HB case.
Victor Wall
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/05/article-2022708-0D5023F200000578-267_306x402.jpg
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/08/05/2011-08-05_holly_bobo_disappearance_sex_offender_victor_ge orge_wall_arrested_for_questionin.html
concentric
08-05-2011, 01:36 PM
The thought probably never crossed Clint's mind that his sister was about to be abducted from outside their rural home. Never.
I posted much the same thought in one of the first few threads on this case. There was absolutely no precedent to make Clint think that something negative would ever happen to Holly. Thus, no need for immediate alarm when he sees her figure and that of a man. And Holly's bf had been to their house numerous times, from what I recall.
However, I do think that Clint could have thought it somewhat "weird" that Holly's bf was there at such an early hour.
Perhaps he thought that Holly and bf were "skipping school" and he wanted to tattle, as the interview states.
raeann
08-05-2011, 01:38 PM
But thats my point exactly... he THOUGHT the guy in the garage was the boyfriend. He didn't recognize the voices... so what does he do? He calls his mom 20 miles away to ask who is in the garage or the yard? Is that what a normal person would do? No...
Actually, that is exactly what my two sons would do....they would not always know if I had hired landscape workers, or a handyman service to do something. They would be cautious enough to call me and check it out, but would not walk out to confront anyone, especially if they had just been woken up in the morning.
(actually, the only person they would KNOW was coming would be if the cable/internet service had gone out....as they would have been the ones to call for a repair in that case!!!!)
mag84
08-05-2011, 01:38 PM
I have a feeling it has to do with the SO being arrested. He's being questioned about the HB case.
Victor Wall
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/05/article-2022708-0D5023F200000578-267_306x402.jpg
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/08/05/2011-08-05_holly_bobo_disappearance_sex_offender_victor_ge orge_wall_arrested_for_questionin.html
I have a funny feeling about this, especially with the timing, even though he is no where near 6' 200lbs. I hope LE just doesn't try to pin this on someone to get it over with.
Frogzilla
08-05-2011, 01:41 PM
Hm. The Michelle Sigona tweet appears to have disappeared.
I see that now too. UGH this case does not need more back peddling or rumors!!!
sumzero
08-05-2011, 01:43 PM
But thats my point exactly... he THOUGHT the guy in the garage was the boyfriend. He didn't recognize the voices... so what does he do? He calls his mom 20 miles away to ask who is in the garage or the yard? Is that what a normal person would do? No...
If I follow it correctly, Clint thought it COULD be the boyfriend. The problem is that he didn't know for sure. It COULD have been intruders. It COULD have been something else. He might not even be dressed. So, I can understand a quick phone call to his mother. Maybe she expected someone to show up at the house for some reason. I think he's alarmed JUST ENOUGH to proceed with caution. Doesn't seem unusual to me.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 01:46 PM
Actually, that is exactly what my two sons would do....they would not always know if I had hired landscape workers, or a handyman service to do something. They would be cautious enough to call me and check it out, but would not walk out to confront anyone, especially if they had just been woken up in the morning.
(actually, the only person they would KNOW was coming would be if the cable/internet service had gone out....as they would have been the ones to call for a repair in that case!!!!)
Holly's vehicle was still there, IIRC. Why would CB think it was some handyman? Why didn't he call out for his sister? That's the first thing I would do and then if and when there was no answer, I'd go check to see who it was.
I'm sorry but any which way I look at the calling mom first makes no sense to me. He's not 10. He's 25 or 26. Not a kid.
sumzero
08-05-2011, 01:47 PM
I have a funny feeling about this, especially with the timing, even though he is no where near 6' 200lbs. I hope LE just doesn't try to pin this on someone to get it over with.
The timing suggests that they're looking at this person as a genuine POI. But who knows? Clint described the abductor as 5'10" and 200 lbs. That's a good-sized build. But he also mistook him for Drew. I don't know Drew's size. But he doesn't look 200'. Perhaps Holly's diminutive size made the abductor look a lot larger than he really is.
mag84
08-05-2011, 01:51 PM
If I follow it correctly, Clint thought it COULD be the boyfriend. The problem is that he didn't know for sure. It COULD have been intruders. It COULD have been something else. He might not even be dressed. So, I can understand a quick phone call to his mother. Maybe she expected someone to show up at the house for some reason. I think he's alarmed JUST ENOUGH to proceed with caution. Doesn't seem unusual to me.
BBM
Just a general observation of many posts here re: this same thing, my understanding was the call did not go to KB herself, she was already working and I doubt has her phone on during class, the call went to the school who relayed it to KB. That wouldn't be a "quick call" imo. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Although with all the different versions of who called who and who spoke to who...sigh.
concentric
08-05-2011, 01:52 PM
Holly's vehicle was still there, IIRC. Why would CB think it was some handyman? Why didn't he call out for his sister? That's the first thing I would do and then if and when there was no answer, I'd go check to see who it was.
I'm sorry but any which way I look at the calling mom first makes no sense to me. He's not 10. He's 25 or 26. Not a kid.
Cause in the interview it is said that he was in a sense "tattling" by calling mom about his sister, I think because Clint assumed it was her bf and she was possibly skipping school to be with him.
x_files
08-05-2011, 01:52 PM
I posted much the same thought in one of the first few threads on this case. There was absolutely no precedent to make Clint think that something negative would ever happen to Holly. Thus, no need for immediate alarm when he sees her figure and that of a man. And Holly's bf had been to their house numerous times, from what I recall.
However, I do think that Clint could have thought it somewhat "weird" that Holly's bf was there at such an early hour.
Perhaps he thought that Holly and bf were "skipping school" and he wanted to tattle, as the interview states.
Isn't Holly too old to be tattled on? Isn't CB too old to tattle? We are talking about both adult children living in the parents house? correct? Isn't Holly 17/18 years old?
This whole situation is odd.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 01:56 PM
Cause in the interview it is said that he was in a sense "tattling" by calling mom about his sister, I think because Clint assumed it was her bf and she was possibly skipping school to be with him.
That makes even less sense. What 25 year old tattles on his sister?
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 01:57 PM
Isn't Holly too old to be tattled on? Isn't CB too old to tattle? We are talking about both adult children living in the parents house? correct? Isn't Holly 17/18 years old?
This whole situation is odd.
She's 20
T4Tide
08-05-2011, 01:57 PM
This stinks. Someone knows where Holly is. Someone knows whether she is dead or alive, and I agree with LE that it is someone local that knew her routine. That someone will slip up, and I'm hoping it's sooner rather than later. Here's wishful thinking that LE is allowing the perp to apply his/her own noose.
concentric
08-05-2011, 01:58 PM
Isn't Holly too old to be tattled on? Isn't CB too old to tattle? We are talking about both adult children living in the parents house? correct? Isn't Holly 17/18 years old?
This whole situation is odd.
IMO - I don't find it odd, because, I believe this is more of a conservative Christian community, and I'll bet that they lived by those principles most of the time. In other words, I don't think the parents thought that Holly and her bf would have premarital sexual relations, for example, maybe some making out, but not sex. I could be very wrong, but that is my impression.
~n/t~
08-05-2011, 01:59 PM
BBM
Just a general observation of many posts here re: this same thing, my understanding was the call did not go to KB herself, she was already working and I doubt has her phone on during class, the call went to the school who relayed it to KB. That wouldn't be a "quick call" imo. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Although with all the different versions of who called who and who spoke to who...sigh.
From what I understand, the secretary went to get KB.
Carla Lashelle
08-05-2011, 02:02 PM
Cause in the interview it is said that he was in a sense "tattling" by calling mom about his sister, I think because Clint assumed it was her bf and she was possibly skipping school to be with him.
Again these arent 8 year olds. Why would she skip school on the day of her big nursing exam?
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