Why ?

[messiecake]

I know Darlie was/is capable of killing the boys but I just can't fathom why.
She wasn't depressed/mentally ill(like Andrea Yates),she wasn't in the grips of a crumbling relationship whose boys were the reason(Susan Smith),there was no life insurance so why?
Thats what I keep coming back to and what stops me from being 100% sure she did it(I should say She and Darin because I do belive if she was involved so was he).

Theres so much supposed evidence that she didnt do it as there is evidence she did! Jeana ,in the Darlie thread,posted so much convincing info but then I read the facts according to Darlie's camp and Im back at square one!!
This case is so complex!!!!!

WHY????WHY???WHY???-if I can figure that out it would help! Anyone have any theories????

[izzyB]

the housekeeper testified that darlie had been depressed after the birth of drake and that one day she even came in and found darlie holding the baby with a cloth over his face.

there were also reports that their lifestyle was crumbling under a debt-load.

however, i cannot say that either of these would have been motive for the murders.

[WindChime]

I heard that she was on diet pills also and I do know depending on the kind of diet pills that they can cause mood swings and the person can become very irritable at a drop of a hat.

[Juliana]

I just don't understand though how finances could have "motivated" her to murder her children. The little ones are the most costly but she murdered the older kids (if she did). I have not followed this case that closely, but have a base of info since it happened in the area where I live, I never got the impression there was that much life insurance.

I agree, WHY?


IMO

[Jeana (DP)]

I've never heard about a case where children were murdered by their parent and when the reason was given everyone went "oh yeah, that makes sense." Give me a motive that any one of us could conceive of that would make us understand how a mother could murder her children. I think that there was no "one" motive here. I think it was a combination of a handful of factors that happened at a time when she couldn't deal and it all came to a head. They say that people don't just "snap" and murder their children. Well, we know that they do. The mother who took a rock and bashed in the heads of her boys. She found a jury who found her mentally unstable after ZERO psychiatric care. ZERO friends or family to come forward and say they saw signs. So, go figure.

[cami]

I know Darlie was/is capable of killing the boys but I just can't fathom why.
She wasn't depressed/mentally ill(like Andrea Yates),she wasn't in the grips of a crumbling relationship whose boys were the reason(Susan Smith),there was no life insurance so why?
Thats what I keep coming back to and what stops me from being 100% sure she did it(I should say She and Darin because I do belive if she was involved so was he).

Theres so much supposed evidence that she didnt do it as there is evidence she did! Jeana ,in the Darlie thread,posted so much convincing info but then I read the facts according to Darlie's camp and Im back at square one!!
This case is so complex!!!!!

WHY????WHY???WHY???-if I can figure that out it would help! Anyone have any theories????

Marital problems
money problems
hormonal changes and pms
post partum depression
diet pills
depression and talk of suicide
kids driving her nuts
wanting more

Could have all combined into a motive. I don't think we should get hung up on motive. This is a personal crime. We don't know the dynamics of that marriage although much has been laid out bare in the past seven years.

It's hidden deep in Darlie's psyche if you ask me. She did ask Darin for a separation that night and they did have a screaming fight. I think she snapped. Susan Smith snapped and before she knew it, her children were in the lake, so did Darlie and before she knew her eldest son, Devon, was dead.

[Jade]

The boys looked like Darin – could Darlie have been lashing out at them as a Darin substitute?
Is it possible that Darlie had some inspiration like a boy friend?
Has there been any question as to the baby’s paternity?
This is probably rehashed for you all but I am new to the case and these questions came to mind.


IMO

[cami]

The boys looked like Darin – could Darlie have been lashing out at them as a Darin substitute?
Is it possible that Darlie had some inspiration like a boy friend?
Has there been any question as to the baby’s paternity?
This is probably rehashed for you all but I am new to the case and these questions came to mind.


IMO

It's possible.
Don't know if she had a boyfriend. No one has come forward to my knowledge
No, not to my knowledge
no problem, I don't mind.

[Jeana (DP)]

It's possible.
Don't know if she had a boyfriend. No one has come forward to my knowledge
No, not to my knowledge
no problem, I don't mind.

I never heard anything either about a boyfriend. I honestly believe though, that its possible she thought that Darin had someone on the side.

[londonPI]

i've wondered, if she intended to kill her sons that night, why didn't she have the baby downstairs with her .... why was the baby spared? i believe she committed this crime and as with so many senseless crimes, there is no reason that jumps out at you ... nonetheless, i believe the evidence points convincingly to her. just don't understand why the baby was spared. i understand darin is not raising the child - anyone else hear that?

[Jeana (DP)]

i've wondered, if she intended to kill her sons that night, why didn't she have the baby downstairs with her .... why was the baby spared? i believe she committed this crime and as with so many senseless crimes, there is no reason that jumps out at you ... nonetheless, i believe the evidence points convincingly to her. just don't understand why the baby was spared. i understand darin is not raising the child - anyone else hear that?


Darin is now raising the child. His mother had custody of Drake for a few years, but he's now with his father. As for her sparing the baby, I think that if she used to excuse to Darin that the baby made too much noise for her to be able to sleep in her bedroom, it would make no sense for her to all of a sudden want him in the same room where she was trying to sleep.

Secondly, while I do believe this was a premeditated double murder, I don't think it was premeditated long enough in advance for her to have thought it out.

Lastly, perhaps since Drake was so little, she couldn't bring herself to do it.

I don't know anything for sure, these are just my opinions.

[dasgal]

Well now there are two things that I think apply here. Firstly, Darlie was suffering and being treated for post partum depression. She had also indicated in her diary and elsewhere that she didn't feel as though she had "bonded" appropriatly with the infant.

However Devon and Damon she clearly doted on, at least materialistically. They were an outward expression of her "mommyness" if you know what I mean. Like, hey, look what a great Mom I am because I dress my kids a certain way and give them all kinds of games and things.

Now consider that this whole thing began with one of them asking for a divorce/separation. Of course the topic of custody will immediately come into play, right? Well Darlie aint giving Darin squat. Remember she is the diva type.
So, she goes to pout downstairs, and decides to drag the kids along as further "punishment" to Darin. Probably saying crap like, "Sleep down here with me, because your father is a Pri*k" or something to that effect. But as she lays there in the dimly lit room, she has to realize that there is not much she can do to keep Darin from the kids. After all, he is did. But she can TAKE THEM AWAY FROM HIM.

[SnootyVixen]

I've never heard about a case where children were murdered by their parent and when the reason was given everyone went "oh yeah, that makes sense." Give me a motive that any one of us could conceive of that would make us understand how a mother could murder her children.


Greetings DP,
i am so very happy to see that you did start this about this Routier case. This is my very first time to post here. What i want to say is to the quote above which I hope comes right, that one reason that is so often said to be the reason is that the children's mother is not right in her mental state. That does seem to be the case some of the time, no? I guess that the mother kill her child because the mother child closeness comes through even to the crazed mental state. I don think that i have heard too much of mothers killing other's children and not their own. How about others, have you heard of such thing?

[cami]

Well now there are two things that I think apply here. Firstly, Darlie was suffering and being treated for post partum depression. She had also indicated in her diary and elsewhere that she didn't feel as though she had "bonded" appropriatly with the infant.

However Devon and Damon she clearly doted on, at least materialistically. They were an outward expression of her "mommyness" if you know what I mean. Like, hey, look what a great Mom I am because I dress my kids a certain way and give them all kinds of games and things.

Now consider that this whole thing began with one of them asking for a divorce/separation. Of course the topic of custody will immediately come into play, right? Well Darlie aint giving Darin squat. Remember she is the diva type.
So, she goes to pout downstairs, and decides to drag the kids along as further "punishment" to Darin. Probably saying crap like, "Sleep down here with me, because your father is a Pri*k" or something to that effect. But as she lays there in the dimly lit room, she has to realize that there is not much she can do to keep Darin from the kids. After all, he is did. But she can TAKE THEM AWAY FROM HIM.

I tend to agree with what you have posted. I wonder how long the fighting as it were was going on. Darlie says she was sleeping downstairs for five nights in a row. She says it's because her baby rolling in the crib woke her but I bet it had more to do with the diet pills and their not getting along. I know women sleep apart from their husbands all the time but five nights in a row!!! Yeah Darlie is definitely the drama queen.

I can't find it in my heart to believe these were premeditated murders. Not for any length of time anyway, just that night. So sad isn't it. Those two beautiful boys.

[Jeana (DP)]

Greetings DP,
i am so very happy to see that you did start this about this Routier case. This is my very first time to post here. What i want to say is to the quote above which I hope comes right, that one reason that is so often said to be the reason is that the children's mother is not right in her mental state. That does seem to be the case some of the time, no? I guess that the mother kill her child because the mother child closeness comes through even to the crazed mental state. I don think that i have heard too much of mothers killing other's children and not their own. How about others, have you heard of such thing?


Darlin, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. For some women who murder their own children, I don't think they have formed the "mother lion protecting her young" personality. They're just so focused on themselves that everything and every one come second to their own needs. Certainly there are cases where something in their "brain" isn't right and that makes them do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. In Darlie's case, there's a pretty long list of things in her life that were completely out of whack. Her hormones were bouncing back and forth -- Drake was still pretty little and she was suffering from post-partum depression. They had serious financial problems. Their business wasn't going well. The marriage wasn't going well, etc.

There are cases where women have murdered someone else's child - but I think that in most cases, they murder their own children. I'll try to dig up some examples of women murdering other people's children.

[dasgal]

Yes sad indeed. It's amazing what a person can do when they throw a tantrum, and this is what this is. A horrible deadly tantrum. If she could take it back, you can bet she would.I don't know how long this had gone on, but her statement to police give us a clue. Darin took her sister home that night and took a little longer than Darlie thought was appropriate. Now, I don't really think that anything was going on, but what did Darlie think? How messed up and unconfident do you have to be to think your sister is doing your husband. Something wasn't right, and it didn't just occur to her. She obviously had given the idea some thought. It may have been what prompted the separation/divorce talk.

Something else to keep in mind is the wedding dress and photo album open to a page of her and the boys. It had blood splatter, but was found closed. She quite obviously was doing some emotional thinking.

[dasgal]

Hi. People do it all the time unfortunately, and not just because of obvious mental dellusions. How many times have you watched the news and saw a domestic turn into a murder/suicide.
It's a "it's mine!" thing.

[cami]

Greetings DP,
i am so very happy to see that you did start this about this Routier case. This is my very first time to post here. What i want to say is to the quote above which I hope comes right, that one reason that is so often said to be the reason is that the children's mother is not right in her mental state. That does seem to be the case some of the time, no? I guess that the mother kill her child because the mother child closeness comes through even to the crazed mental state. I don think that i have heard too much of mothers killing other's children and not their own. How about others, have you heard of such thing?

HI snooty, it's me fugi from the other board, welcome aboard.

[Jeana (DP)]

Something else to keep in mind is the wedding dress and photo album open to a page of her and the boys. It had blood splatter, but was found closed. She quite obviously was doing some emotional thinking.

Exactly!!! The closing of that book happened during the staging process. There would have been no reason for any "intruder(s)" to have done that. Dasgal, what is it that cops say? Every murderer makes at least 25 mistakes? Something like that. We should start a list of all of Darlie's mistakes.

[dasgal]

That should be rather easy. Cron listed many of them in his request for a search warrant.

[Jade]

SNIP
Something else to keep in mind is the wedding dress and photo album open to a page of her and the boys. It had blood splatter, but was found closed. She quite obviously was doing some emotional thinking.


Well, that is quite a piece of information!

What about the wedding dress?

[dasgal]

She had it laying out in a nearby room. She originally claimed that they were going to have a 2nd Wedding. Uh huh....:liar:

[carolina]

if darlie is guilty...is it possible she might have killed her sons simply for the attention? as sick as that is?

[lisag]

I think she is a selfish psychopath - and that is why she did it.

[Jeana (DP)]

She had it laying out in a nearby room. She originally claimed that they were going to have a 2nd Wedding. Uh huh....:liar:

Yeah, but even if that 2nd wedding was going to happen, they had MONTHS until then. Why bring the dress out that early? I can see wanting to see if it still fit, but she was dieting, so by the time that date drew near, she'd be smaller. So, she couldn't have gotten it done that far in advance anyway. Why have it out?

[dasgal]

It's pretty creepy when you think about all the memory lane stuff she was doing prior to such a hideous act. That's another thing that reinforces my belief that she intended to kill herself after killing the boys.

[cami]

Yes sad indeed. It's amazing what a person can do when they throw a tantrum, and this is what this is. A horrible deadly tantrum. If she could take it back, you can bet she would.I don't know how long this had gone on, but her statement to police give us a clue. Darin took her sister home that night and took a little longer than Darlie thought was appropriate. Now, I don't really think that anything was going on, but what did Darlie think? How messed up and unconfident do you have to be to think your sister is doing your husband. Something wasn't right, and it didn't just occur to her. She obviously had given the idea some thought. It may have been what prompted the separation/divorce talk.

Something else to keep in mind is the wedding dress and photo album open to a page of her and the boys. It had blood splatter, but was found closed. She quite obviously was doing some emotional thinking.

OMG, I forgot about the wedding photo album. I have always thought that Darlie flipped out and before she knew it Devon was dead and that no one was more surprised than her. What about Damon, do you think he was part of the tantrum. You know there are some who think he might have been sacrificed as a witness. I just can't go there. I can't wrap my brain around that.

[AutumnBorn]

I honestly believe though, that its possible she thought that Darin had someone on the side.

I honestly can't believe anyone would want Darin - let alone two women. Yewww.

[dasgal]

No, I think she wanted to take Damon away from Darin, as well as Devon. I think she wanted to hurt Darin ultimately.

I can't go with the witness thing either. In my heart of hearts I just can't believe Darlie is THAT evil, although I am sure I am in the minority on that one.

[Lady Sleuth]

I also believe she killed her boys and then intended to kill herself. I think she wasn't able to succeed in taking her own life.

I always had a problem with how she sounded when she spoke. Her voice did not sound right. She was sugar coating her voice too much and it made her come across to me as putting on a show.

Lady Sleuth

[nanandjim]

Marital problems
money problems
hormonal changes and pms
post partum depression
diet pills
depression and talk of suicide
kids driving her nuts
wanting more

...
Mix with extreme self-focus/selfishness and short-sightedness, and you get a deadly brew. Oh, I might also throw in a pinch of panic about the future and returning to a life of struggling financially as a single mother with three kids.

(I can't of many men who would want to take on the burden of getting into a relationship and/or supporting a woman who has three kids, maybe one but not three.)

[Dani_T]

Something else to keep in mind is the wedding dress and photo album open to a page of her and the boys. It had blood splatter, but was found closed. She quite obviously was doing some emotional thinking.

Hi all,

That's the first I have heard about this... can someone point me to where this was in the transcripts (or a photo in MTJD?). Do you mean that there was blood spatter on the actual page of her and the boys but that it was found closed at the scene (ie. that she closed it after the attack)?

Dani

[Bobbisangel]

I think at a trial all of the evidence should come in no matter who it supports. The pictures of the bruises on Darly's arms didn't make it to the trial. I saw the pictures and I don't think that she did that to herself. The defense should have had those pictures. The Pros showed the last half of a video taken at the grave site when they were having a birthday party for one of the boys. The first half of the video was when the pastor was speaking and they were all praying. The whole video should have been shown.

I get suspious when evidence is left out. It makes the Pros look really sneaky in my eyes. All of the injuries should have been shown....only showing the last part of that video made it look like everyone was at the grave site just having a big ole party. Showing all of the video showed what actually took place....but it made it look better for the Pros to just show the jury the party part.

I don't know if Darly is guilty or not. I thought so until I heard about the things that the defense didn't get from the Pros. For that reason alone I think she should have gotten a new trial where ALL of the evidence was presented.
I've also heard the jurors talk and say that if they had seen the pictures of Darly's arms and the other half of the video their vote would have been different.

I may be wrong and it may have been Darly's attorney that didn't use the evidence that was left out.....if that was the case she should still get another trial.....if her attorney was incompatant.

[Dani_T]

I think at a trial all of the evidence should come in no matter who it supports. The pictures of the bruises on Darly's arms didn't make it to the trial. I saw the pictures and I don't think that she did that to herself. The defense should have had those pictures.
According to the defense they did have those pictures and they were shown at trial.

I don't know if Darly is guilty or not. I thought so until I heard about the things that the defense didn't get from the Pros. For that reason alone I think she should have gotten a new trial where ALL of the evidence was presented.

What didn't the defense get from the prosecution?

[Jeana (DP)]

Darlie's attorney, Douglas Mulder, was voted the BEST CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY IN TEXAS. So, she had more than adequate representation. The problem with this case is that an attorney only has so much to work with. If his or her client is lying through their teeth, there is only so much damage control a lawyer can do.

Also, as was pointed out by another poster, Darlie's own attorneys said that those photographs WERE introduced into evidence during the trial.

This is nothing but another campfire story.

[WindChime]

This blows my mind.
"Lieutenant, you won't believe what Mr. Routier said to me right before he left to go to the hospital with his wife. He turned to me and I swear to God he said, 'Golly, I guess this is the biggest thing Rowlett's ever had.' The man had two of his children slaughtered tonight, and he's acting like the damn circus is in town!"

[dasgal]

Bobbie-if you look at the pictures with all the horrible bruising, you will notice and the bottom corner of each and every one of them, is an exhibit #. They were entered into court and given to the defense.

As with many "this person is unjustly sentenced" websites, there is no burden of fact. They can pretty much say anything.

[dasgal]

Dani-

It was found after the trial. It was found by someone working on Darlie's side. Even though this person is still a supporter, it gave this person profound doubt and still naggles at them. Unfortunately, you are just going to have to take my word on this one because I like getting my info.;)

[Pepper]

Why?

This is the one thing that makes me believe she is not guilty. Unlike Susan Smith, who murdered both her boys to please a boyfriend, Darlie has one child who was not injured that fateful night. Sick though it is, I can understand (sort of) getting rid of all your children, but I can't comprehend the purpose of getting rid of one or two, while leaving others behind.

This makes absolutely no sense to me!

[Dani_T]

Why?

This is the one thing that makes me believe she is not guilty. Unlike Susan Smith, who murdered both her boys to please a boyfriend, Darlie has one child who was not injured that fateful night. Sick though it is, I can understand (sort of) getting rid of all your children, but I can't comprehend the purpose of getting rid of one or two, while leaving others behind.

This makes absolutely no sense to me!

I think there could be a couple of reasons

1) It may have been a spontaneous attack (although I doubt it) and Drake was out of reach at the time upstairs
2) Drake may have represented something very different than Damon & Devon. He was a baby, entirely dependent on her, not a rambuctious 5-6 year old who was driving her crazy, not such a financial drain etc. He may very well have symbolised a new beginning for Darlie, a second go round the merry-go-round so to speak. If she and Darin WERE going to separate (he has now revealed she did ask for a separation that night) then she could have viewed Drake as a way of erasing her past mistakes and starting a new life.
3) She may in fact have planned to attack Drake (and even Darin) but had to put a premature end to the attack for an unanticpated reason (eg, perhaps her neck wound or something?)

I'm sure others on here will have other reasons. But I guess I'd want to say that her innocence or guilt is found in the actual evidence rather than us trying to get inside her head and work out why she would have done this or that. I just don't think we will ever really understand her or why she did it.

[dasgal]

Pepper,

She had absolutely no bond with Drake. Besides that she couldn't tell Drake to get his butt downstairs because his father was a ****stick.
Don't you get it? Darlie wanted to hurt Darin in the worst way possible. What was important to her were those boys. Drake wasn't important to her at all. She took from Darin what she thought was most important.

[CrazyMazy]

I think she is emotionally detached person, more of a "see me" - I think she might of been deep down jealous of her husband's love for thier sons

[Texana]

Dasgal has it right. I think there was a deep sense of rage at Darin when Darlie killed those children. Same as Andrea Yates...an incredible force of anger at the heart of her depression.

[Valindrea]

It's pretty creepy when you think about all the memory lane stuff she was doing prior to such a hideous act. That's another thing that reinforces my belief that she intended to kill herself after killing the boys.
I also tend to think her plan was to kill them and then herself. Maybe she tried, but couldn't go thru with it.

[jaeger]

Yeah, but even if that 2nd wedding was going to happen, they had MONTHS until then. Why bring the dress out that early? I can see wanting to see if it still fit, but she was dieting, so by the time that date drew near, she'd be smaller. So, she couldn't have gotten it done that far in advance anyway. Why have it out?
Well, not to make excuses for her, but if I had been dieting for that long, I might pull out a special dress to see if it fit any better than it did when I started my diet. Just to check my progress.

[Jeana (DP)]

Well, not to make excuses for her, but if I had been dieting for that long, I might pull out a special dress to see if it fit any better than it did when I started my diet. Just to check my progress.


True, but if you're a meticulous housekeeper (or as Darin said - a clean-a-holic"), wouldn't you hang it back up once you were done? After all, she did have two boys in the house who she claimed were constantly leaving a mess for her to clean up. Wouldn't she be concerned about them touching it or spilling something on it?

[jaeger]

True, but if you're a meticulous housekeeper (or as Darin said - a clean-a-holic"), wouldn't you hang it back up once you were done? After all, she did have two boys in the house who she claimed were constantly leaving a mess for her to clean up. Wouldn't she be concerned about them touching it or spilling something on it?
Yes, I would - especially with the boys around. If I were in my right mind, that is. But if I were depressed, perhaps not. Of course, this is all wild speculation on my part since I am most assuredly NOT a meticulous housekeeper. :D

[KellyJelly71]

you know.. I started thinking maybe things happened like this...
Darlie and Darin are fighting.. for days.. she's taking these diet pills
that make her feel bad.. (I know.. I tried them.. my heart raced.. my
stomach was queasy..etc..) maybe she was drinking.. and obviously there was wine in the house.. (remember the beautiful wine rack?) and something happened that night.. something between her and Darin.. (after dropping off sister and delay in getting back) and/or within herself and she snapped.. she murders the boys in a frenzy.. perhaps Darin walks in during or after this happens and he cant believe what he is seeing.. he shakes her violently (maybe explaining the bruises on her arms) and she screams at him it's all his fault (whatever that may be to her) and he helps her stage the "intruder" scene.. I know this doesnt answer nearly all the questions to be answered.. but it seems to be plausible.. anyone else have any thoughts?

[Jeana (DP)]

Kelly, welcome to Websleuths. I've always thought that it happened along those same lines as your theory.

[Yellowrose]

That's a excellent theory, She slaughtered her two boys to get even with Darin, She was drunk, and drugged. Then Darin walked in and said Oh My God. I feel so guilty. Let me protect my crazy wife who I love so much, I'll help her cover and stage the scene. Well then their both crazy and belong in a Mental Institution. It's a shame, he's walking free. Why is she on Death Row?

[IrishMist]

Entirely plausable, Kelly.

[cami]

you know.. I started thinking maybe things happened like this...
Darlie and Darin are fighting.. for days.. she's taking these diet pills
that make her feel bad.. (I know.. I tried them.. my heart raced.. my
stomach was queasy..etc..) maybe she was drinking.. and obviously there was wine in the house.. (remember the beautiful wine rack?) and something happened that night.. something between her and Darin.. (after dropping off sister and delay in getting back) and/or within herself and she snapped.. she murders the boys in a frenzy.. perhaps Darin walks in during or after this happens and he cant believe what he is seeing.. he shakes her violently (maybe explaining the bruises on her arms) and she screams at him it's all his fault (whatever that may be to her) and he helps her stage the "intruder" scene.. I know this doesnt answer nearly all the questions to be answered.. but it seems to be plausible.. anyone else have any thoughts?

Yes I agree something along those lines happened. Although I don't believe Darlie was drinking and/or drunk that night.

[cami]

Why is she on Death Row?

She's on death row because she took the biggest butcher knife she owned and plunged it into her five and six year-old sons multiple times. Her five year old tried to flee but she got him in the end.

Jeez

[Jeana (DP)]

She's on death row because she took the biggest butcher knife she owned and plunged it into her five and six year-old sons multiple times. Her five year old tried to flee but she got him in the end.

Jeez


She shore is. :)

[Yellowrose]

Well then, she's "Crazy" and Darin "Helped". Canada doesn't have the DP. What would they do with her if happened there? You say it yourself many times that you don't agree with the DP.She's on death row because she took the biggest butcher knife she owned and plunged it into her five and six year-old sons multiple times. Her five year old tried to flee but she got him in the end.

Jeez

[Goody]

She's on death row because she took the biggest butcher knife she owned and plunged it into her five and six year-old sons multiple times. Her five year old tried to flee but she got him in the end.

Jeez
O, is that why? I always thought it was because the district attorney didn't like her. Boy, am I relieved to finally learn that wasn't the reason. LOL!

[cami]

Well then, she's "Crazy" and Darin "Helped". Canada doesn't have the DP. What would they do with her if happened there? You say it yourself many times that you don't agree with the DP.

No, I do not advocate the DP, life without is fine with me. No DP in Canada that's true, it was abolished in the early 70's for many reasons. She would have received a life sentence here--25 years.

[Goody]

No, I do not advocate the DP, life without is fine with me. No DP in Canada that's true, it was abolished in the early 70's for many reasons. She would have received a life sentence here--25 years.
In most cases that is long enough. We just can't trust our system in the US not to parole them out in 5 or 10 years. I think that is what led to the harsh punishments here.

[Jeana (DP)]

In most cases that is long enough. We just can't trust our system in the US not to parole them out in 5 or 10 years. I think that is what led to the harsh punishments here.

Not to mention the fact that Darlie was only 24 (right?) when she murdered the boys. 25 years would have her out in her 50s. Not enough punishment.

[cami]

Not to mention the fact that Darlie was only 24 (right?) when she murdered the boys. 25 years would have her out in her 50s. Not enough punishment.

If the Crown felt she was still a danger, they would apply for Dangerous Offender status and that means an indeterminate sentence, i.e. you don't get out. Appealable of course.

[CyberLaw]

Why did Scott Peterson not just divorce Laci and not kill her and the baby.

Seems to normal people the logical thing to do.

But not Scotty........he thought that the Police would take a report and then that is it.

He could not understand why "all of the fuss" for a missing pregnant women on Christmas eve. He did not even think that the police would do anything except take a missing person report.

He did not even think that they would look for her. See that is Scotty's mind.

There is often no clear cut normal motive or reason for criminals, they have a weird and warped sence of why they do things.

it is not like you can jump into their heads.

I have seen way too many situation, that people attempt to justify in their own evils minds for doing what they do.

These people are poster childs for Personality Disorders, and I put money, yes ladies and gents, money on the fact that Darlie is a poster child for NPD and Histronic Personality Disorder.

In many circumstances when a person has one personality disorder(cluster type B)they have underlying morbity.

So don't even try to think of a "normal" motive for the way criminals think. Trust me you can't.

Really you can't. Not in a sence of understanding of the word normal. These people are not normal.

A man hits a child with a car. He gets out, looks at his car and phones his insurance company to report the accident.

Not 911 on the injured child, no, he is not concerned about the child bleeding in the street because it does not directly affect him and his money or his possession.

To him this is perfectly fine. To others, the man is warped.

A man runs into a very cold and desolate forest, escaping from the Police. Hides out for days, trying to evade capture. He is finally caught. Then he turns around and sues the police for not finding him faster enough, because he got frost bite on his toes and fingers(true story).

The injuries that Darlie inflicted on the boys, indicated extreme anger towards them. Extreme anger.

I don't even attempt to speculate "why" anymore. I would drive myself crazy if I did.

It comes down also to personal responsibility also.

Darlie saw the boys as objects, not children. She had little or no emotional attachment to them.

Darlie is all about Darlie and only Darlie.

[mollymalone]

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Darlie saw the boys as objects, not children. She had little or no emotional attachment to them.

Darlie is all about Darlie and only Darlie.That's why I think Darlie alone is responsible. Darlie was about accumulating "things" that made her look good. Darlie engaged in activities with the children that made her look good. In Darlie's eyes, she worked hard to see that people around her saw her as a well to do mom who looked good in appearance and did the things moms do. Neighbors described them as an updated version of the Clampetts.

[cami]

Why did Scott Peterson not just divorce Laci and not kill her and the baby.

Seems to normal people the logical thing to do.

But not Scotty........he thought that the Police would take a report and then that is it.

He could not understand why "all of the fuss" for a missing pregnant women on Christmas eve. He did not even think that the police would do anything except take a missing person report.

He did not even think that they would look for her. See that is Scotty's mind.

There is often no clear cut normal motive or reason for criminals, they have a weird and warped sence of why they do things.

it is not like you can jump into their heads.

I have seen way too many situation, that people attempt to justify in their own evils minds for doing what they do.

These people are poster childs for Personality Disorders, and I put money, yes ladies and gents, money on the fact that Darlie is a poster child for NPD and Histronic Personality Disorder.

In many circumstances when a person has one personality disorder(cluster type B)they have underlying morbity.

So don't even try to think of a "normal" motive for the way criminals think. Trust me you can't.

Really you can't. Not in a sence of understanding of the word normal. These people are not normal.

A man hits a child with a car. He gets out, looks at his car and phones his insurance company to report the accident.

Not 911 on the injured child, no, he is not concerned about the child bleeding in the street because it does not directly affect him and his money or his possession.

To him this is perfectly fine. To others, the man is warped.

A man runs into a very cold and desolate forest, escaping from the Police. Hides out for days, trying to evade capture. He is finally caught. Then he turns around and sues the police for not finding him faster enough, because he got frost bite on his toes and fingers(true story).

The injuries that Darlie inflicted on the boys, indicated extreme anger towards them. Extreme anger.

I don't even attempt to speculate "why" anymore. I would drive myself crazy if I did.

It comes down also to personal responsibility also.

Darlie saw the boys as objects, not children. She had little or no emotional attachment to them.

Darlie is all about Darlie and only Darlie.

I'll cover your bet Pysche, I too believe Darlie is histrionic and narcississtic, and that she objectified her children and was detached from them emotionally. That she allowed the neighbours children in her home to play in the nintendo room and was so generous with gifts and designer clothes and elaborate birthday parties was to make herself look good to the community and nothing more. Yes, it's all about Darlie.

[camillllla]

Hi all,

That's the first I have heard about this... can someone point me to where this was in the transcripts (or a photo in MTJD?). Do you mean that there was blood spatter on the actual page of her and the boys but that it was found closed at the scene (ie. that she closed it after the attack)?

Dani

Dani, I dont know how much Dasgals inside info is worth on this particular point but take a look at page 315. The album is laying there open, not closed.
Had it been closed then that would have been all the evidence the prosecution ever needed.
And I never heard of any 'spatter' being on the album, just some blood.

:)

c

[cami]

That's why I think Darlie alone is responsible. Darlie was about accumulating "things" that made her look good. Darlie engaged in activities with the children that made her look good. In Darlie's eyes, she worked hard to see that people around her saw her as a well to do mom who looked good in appearance and did the things moms do. Neighbors described them as an updated version of the Clampetts.

Yeah you only have to look at that Silly String Video to see Darlie's HPD on display.

"look at me, look at me, I'm the victim, I lost my children"

[Jeana (DP)]

Yeah you only have to look at that Silly String Video to see Darlie's HPD on display.

"look at me, look at me, I'm the victim, I lost my children"


Don't you just love the way these guilty aholes throw the word "lost" around?
Scott Peterson said he lost Laci;
Michael Schiavo said he lost Terri;
Darlie "lost" her kids.
:confused: :confused: :confused:

[mollymalone]

Yeah you only have to look at that Silly String Video to see Darlie's HPD on display.

"look at me, look at me, I'm the victim, I lost my children"You know, until SP came along with that comment "lost my wife," I would have taken that statement at face value. But now, I realize that most people mean that one way, they lost someone they loved, but others, especially those who murder mean it in an entirely different way.

The silly string was stupid, but explainable. Some people do weird things sometimes at funerals. In New Orleans & other areas, people mourn, but also celebrate a person's life at the same time during a funeral procession.
Playing jazz music, carrying umbrellas. That is strange to those not familiar with the concept.

What bothers me more is the injuries to the children, the angle of the wounds,
the fact that breakable "things," things that Darlie collected were not broken. They were all in place. The jewelry on the counter not taken. The vaccuum cleaner being placed as it was.

If indeed her son was stabbed by someone other than her, and awoke to "put pressure on mommy's arm" and whisper mommy.... if he was awake, wouldn't he be crying or screaming from pain? Would he be pressuring her arm while the man is standing there looking at them both? I have a problem with her multiple story changes. The boys were stabbed while they were sleeping and had no chance to respond or to scream or cry out. Darin heard a sound and then Darlie screaming. I think that sound was after Darlie cut herself and had set the scene.

[mollymalone]

Don't you just love the way these guilty aholes throw the word "lost" around?
Scott Peterson said he lost Laci;
Michael Schiavo said he lost Terri;
Darlie "lost" her kids.
:confused: :confused: :confused:Darlie reminds me of Diane Downs.

[cami]

You know, until SP came along with that comment "lost my wife," I would have taken that statement at face value. But now, I realize that most people mean that one way, they lost someone they loved, but others, especially those who murder mean it in an entirely different way.

The silly string was stupid, but explainable. Some people do weird things sometimes at funerals. In New Orleans & other areas, people mourn, but also celebrate a person's life at the same time during a funeral procession.
Playing jazz music, carrying umbrellas. That is strange to those not familiar with the concept.

What bothers me more is the injuries to the children, the angle of the wounds,
the fact that breakable "things," things that Darlie collected were not broken. They were all in place. The jewelry on the counter not taken. The vaccuum cleaner being placed as it was.

If indeed her son was stabbed by someone other than her, and awoke to "put pressure on mommy's arm" and whisper mommy.... if he was awake, wouldn't he be crying or screaming from pain? Would he be pressuring her arm while the man is standing there looking at them both? I have a problem with her multiple story changes. The boys were stabbed while they were sleeping and had no chance to respond or to scream or cry out. Darin heard a sound and then Darlie screaming. I think that sound was after Darlie cut herself and had set the scene.

That to me was a great big red neon sign flashing "guilty" "guilty" That she could continue to allege that Damon walked and talked with 6 stab wounds in his tiny back. Bull effing Chit he did.

Sorry, I swing between contempt and compassion for Darlie. Some days I really feel sorry for her and others I want to strangle her.

Yeah that sound that Darin says he heard was the wine glass the intruder broke on his way out!